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76 [00:37:57] <jhutchins> ,v python
77 [00:37:58] <judd> Package: python on amd64 -- wheezy:
2.7.3-4+deb7u1; jessie: 2.7.9-1; stretch: 2.7.13-2; buster:
2.7.15-3; sid: 2.7.15-3
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82 [00:39:00] <jhutchins> Wulf: I believe there are some
important system components that rely on python and that it's
not a good idea to mess with it. Same for ruby.
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92 [00:43:58] <Wulf> jhutchins: I don't want to mess with
it.
93 [00:44:53] <Wulf> jhutchins: it's just broken, and
I'm not sure if it's my fault (other than using sid ^_^).
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261 [03:36:27] <agris> will the next Debian release still contain
systemd?
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263 [03:37:55] <coruja> quite sure
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266 [03:40:28] <phantomcircuit> it seems i cant install
linux-headers-4.19.0-1-amd64 from stretch-backports because it
depends on gcc-8 which conflicts with the already installed gcc-7
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268 [03:42:10] <temple48> phantomcircuit: is upgrading all
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269 [03:42:30] <themill> I don't think that would help
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271 [03:44:28] <themill> phantomcircuit: I can't actually
see linux-headers-4.19.0-1-amd64 in stretch-backports
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273 [03:45:02] <themill> (and that would be the kernel ABI string
for a backports kernel too)
274 [03:45:07] <themill> +wrong
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288 [03:54:05] <phantomcircuit> oops that's an unstable
kernel
289 [03:54:06] <phantomcircuit> huh
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305 [04:10:15] <altker128> I'm trying to make some changes
to my pam common-passwd configuration and the module seems to cause
'passwd' to fail. journalctl -a doesn't really say
anything -- any other tips on where to look?
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352 [04:55:30] <cryptik> hello
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361 [04:57:34] <cryptik> can cuteftp be installed on debian
stretch?
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370 [05:01:11] <annadane> ,v cuteftp
371 [05:01:12] <judd> No package named 'cuteftp' was
found in amd64.
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375 [05:02:16] <cryptik> what is the alternative to cuteftp in
linux?
376 [05:03:01] <cryptodan> Filezilla
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388 [05:13:37] <bltzfsck> /quit
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406 [05:29:04] <cryptik> bltzfsck, it's "/part"
without the quotes
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409 [05:30:30] <cryptik> cryptodan, filezilla keeps failing
transfers even with "send keep alive" commands
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412 [05:30:57] <cryptodan> cryptik: any errors
413 [05:31:11] <cryptik> no
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415 [05:31:18] <cryptodan> it would say why its failing
416 [05:31:20] <cryptik> just failed transfers
417 [05:31:37] <cryptik> says connection closed
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420 [05:31:58] <cryptodan> local transfers or to a remote server?
421 [05:32:04] <cryptik> I have it set to resume transfer
422 [05:32:17] <cryptik> from remote to home
423 [05:32:51] <cryptodan> do you have dhcp ip address at home?
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425 [05:33:39] <cryptik> no
426 [05:33:54] <cryptik> dynamic
427 [05:33:57] <cryptodan> so you are downloading from a remote
server to your home
428 [05:33:57] <cryptik> only
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430 [05:34:02] <cryptik> yes
431 [05:34:06] <cryptodan> what server
432 [05:34:18] <cryptik> it's a seedbox in france
433 [05:34:39] <cryptodan> pm it to me if you do not want to
share
434 [05:35:47] <c|oneman> can I disable the "feature"
that says "command not found" when I type a command that
needs root?
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440 [05:39:24] <cryptik> c|oneman, huh?
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443 [05:40:12] <c|oneman> -bash: ifconfig: command not found
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446 [05:40:46] <altker128> Well, I debugged the PAM error. They
were due to [success=1 default=ignore] vs. "requisite" as
it was done awhile back
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448 [05:42:51] <cryptik> c|oneman, try "ip a" without
quotes
449 [05:43:30] <cryptik> c|oneman, you need to install net-tools
"sudo apt-get install net-tools"
450 [05:43:35] <c|oneman> no
451 [05:43:39] <c|oneman> sudo ifconfig works
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453 [05:43:53] <c|oneman> I want non-sudo ifconfig to say
"you need permission" and not "command not
found"
454 [05:44:13] <c|oneman> command not found is fake news
455 [05:44:22] <PaddyF> haha
456 [05:44:24] <cryptik> oh I see
457 [05:44:25] <altker128> :)
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461 [05:47:13] <cryptik> I have a tricky one, I have successfully
installed rtorrent & rutorrent on my laptop to use as a seedbox,
I followed the instructions from here:
replaced-url
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479 [06:04:29] <SerajewelKS> c|oneman: non-root can actually
execute ifconfig, it's just not in their path
480 [06:04:50] <SerajewelKS> c|oneman: type
"/sbin/ifconfig" as a regular user
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483 [06:06:01] <SerajewelKS> so this "feature"
you're talking about is just that normal users don't have
/sbin in their $PATH
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488 [06:08:37] <PaddyF> i think the point is more the hook. is
there one or not. so you could check why you cant execute a certain
command
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491 [06:10:20] <c|oneman> I see.
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493 [06:12:06] <PaddyF> i think the ubuntu project "command
not found" is part of an answer
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505 [06:19:58] <cryptik> is anyone able to help?
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507 [06:20:15] <PaddyF> maybe
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509 [06:21:22] <PaddyF> cryptik: just out of curiousity - you
want remote access to a gui of a torrent program, right?
510 [06:21:32] <cryptik> yes
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512 [06:22:54] <cryptik> I may have to change some values in the
config files to suit my port etc..
513 [06:23:01] <cryptik> not sure though
514 [06:23:12] <PaddyF> very likely, yes
515 [06:23:39] <cryptik> 127.0.0.1:80 brings me to apache2 which
tells me it is successfully operational
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518 [06:24:18] <cryptik> it's just accessing the rutorrent
gui which gets me
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528 [06:32:33] <orzo> I have a fresh install of buster and
network-manager mysteriously refuses to connect to my wifi network.
I've tried two different usb wifi dongles (ath9k, zd1211) and
they behave the same.
529 [06:33:00] <orzo> it shows a list of wifi networks including
the one i want to connect to
530 [06:33:13] <orzo> but does not connect
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532 [06:33:43] <orzo> journalctl -e shows a message indicating
that it associated, but immediately after that it has a message
saying that it took to long and association failed
533 [06:34:02] <rwp> I dislike network-manager. But is your
access point okay? Can other devices connect to it?
534 [06:34:25] <orzo> yes, i use an older network manager on my
other devices and they do connect and the config is the same
535 [06:34:30] <rwp> After association then dhcp occurs. It often
happens that one can associate but then fail the dhcp step.
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537 [06:35:44] <orzo> I have 1.12.2-3 on this laptop which
connects, but current buster has 1.14.4-4 which does not seem to
work
538 [06:36:17] <orzo> now i'm afraid to upgrade network
manager on the working devices
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541 [06:36:55] <jim> getting a weird result from a debian
website: "The requested URL
/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/9.5.0+nonfree/amd64/iso-cd/
was not found on this server", cdimage.debian.org Port 443
542 [06:37:10] <orzo> i figure there might be a bug, but
searching network manager bugs is really hard as it's been
around for a long time and has lots of bugs and the debian bug
tracker for it is a mess
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546 [06:40:01] <themill> jim: I'm not sure what's odd
about that message
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560 [06:47:34] <jim> themill, ohhh, right, 9.5 wouldn't be
there anymore, it's 9.6
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563 [06:49:30] <PaddyF> when i boot the banana pi from the sd
card i cant access a second partition on that card from within a
running system, right?
564 [06:54:17] <rwp> orzo, I much prefer wicd over
network-manager. NM has screwed me over too many times in the past.
565 [06:55:32] <rwp> PaddyF, Why not?
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567 [06:55:53] <rwp> The second partition is usually the root
file system on a Banana Pi.
568 [06:56:05] <PaddyF> no idea. it keeps saying wrong fs type
but i created ext4 on the second partition
569 [06:56:31] <PaddyF> (when the card was in another computer)
570 [06:57:13] <PaddyF> when you boot a livecd image from usb
devices the problem seems similar
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588 [07:09:04] <orzo> rwp, i used to avoid nm, but that was years
ago. I was figuring it was fairly good now as it has an extensive
cli and text-file config.
589 [07:09:20] <orzo> have you tried nm in recent years?
590 [07:10:34] <orzo> when i avoided it, i used wpasupplicant
roam mode, but i found that had a bug that wasnt really going to be
fixed, so i switched to network manager
591 [07:11:01] <VLMC> I never had any issues with nm, it always
worked out of the box with zero fuss on multiple types of networks
for me
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598 [07:13:54] <orzo> nm used be a pita with an uber complicated
dbus interface and really difficult customization
599 [07:14:51] <orzo> it'd have been better if wpasupplicant
was maintained and expanded
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601 [07:15:17] <orzo> but that boat has sunk
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627 [07:43:48] <cryptik> does this mean nginx is now working?
replaced-url
628 [07:44:34] <n4dir> failure usually doesn't translate to
working
629 [07:44:51] <n4dir> hmm.
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633 [07:46:49] <cryptik> the bottom line says success
634 [07:47:49] <n4dir> yeah, hence my hmm. sorry.
635 [07:48:42] <cryptik> np
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637 [07:49:00] <cryptik> I will try and ask over at rutorrent
638 [07:49:03] <n4dir> what i (!) do next is open a webbrowser
"localhost" and ps ax | grep nginx. both rather as far i
know, not far :-)
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642 [07:51:36] <cryptik> n4dir, what will that achieve?/
643 [07:51:38] <cryptik> ?
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645 [07:52:43] <n4dir> been ages, i ran apache, and if it was
running "localhost" or 127.0.0.1 would show it's
default webpage. ps lists all processes and if grep can find nginx
in that list, then it should work.
646 [07:53:15] <n4dir> there probably is a systemd command to
check the status of a "service", but i don't know
from the top of my head. Probably the propper approach.
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648 [07:54:01] <n4dir> cryptik: it is a rather silent time in
this channel, wait, or try again later. good luck.
649 [07:57:25] <cryptik> n4dir, I am using apache2 and it does
connect to the apache webpage when using localhost
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652 [07:58:23] <n4dir> got you. As said: ask later, when the
channel is more active.
653 [07:58:50] <n4dir> perhaps give it a try in ##linux, but ...
they can be strange.
654 [07:58:50] <cryptik> alright thanks
655 [07:59:24] <cryptik> ok thanks n4dir
656 [07:59:33] <n4dir> :-)
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698 [08:39:46] <orzo> i resolved my network-manager issue by the
following: switched udev to use old-fashioned short interface names,
rebooted. I think it was the interface name that fixed it, but i
can't be sure as i didn't reboot without changing the
interface names
699 [08:40:18] <orzo> the short interface name switch is done
like this: ln -s /dev/null /etc/systemd/network/99-default.link
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773 [09:52:29] <agris> also what happens when the channel is full
774 [09:52:31] <SanchoPensa> hey guys!
775 [09:52:46] <SanchoPensa> where the heck s ffmpeg gone? i
cannot seem to find it in the repos?
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781 [09:54:28] <Tom-_> dpkg, ffmpeg
782 [09:54:28] <dpkg> FFmpeg is a complete, cross-platform
solution to record, convert and stream audio and video, available in
jessie-backports, stretch and sid. The Debian ffmpeg package
contains a multimedia player (ffplay), server (ffserver) and encoder
(ffmpeg). Use "ffmpeg -formats" to list supported
transcoding formats for ffmpeg's -target option.
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784 [09:54:44] <Tom-_> you can check packages.debian.org to see
if it's there for your release
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789 [09:57:12] <SanchoPensa> Tom-_: thank you, and I already did,
and no it isnt...
790 [09:57:19] <SanchoPensa> why backports??
791 [09:57:36] <SanchoPensa> due to my anitque hardware, I am on
Jesse here.
792 [09:58:05] <Tom-_> i have no idea. maybe someone knows
793 [09:59:37] <bites> jessie was released with libav-tools
instead of ffmpeg. that's why you can only find ffmpeg in
jessie-backports.
794 [10:00:43] <SanchoPensa> bites: i see, thank you gentlemen.
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796 [10:00:49] <SanchoPensa> one other thing tho...
797 [10:00:52] <SanchoPensa> Package ffmpeg is not available, but
is referred to by another package.
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799 [10:01:17] <SanchoPensa> so, if apt already knows, that it is
being referred to by another package. why not mention that package
right away?
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822 [10:12:32] <Tom-_> SanchoPensa, i have no idea how APT works
:) despite using Debian for approx 18 years
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824 [10:12:55] <SanchoPensa> Tom-_: well, as long as it does
work... :D
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831 [10:14:58] <kwami> Hi @Zamuro
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833 [10:15:16] <zamuro> Hi
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835 [10:17:00] <kwami> Iḿ new in here, typing from Angola. Im so
glad knowing that IRC is still alive.
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872 [10:48:31] <tomreyn> kwami: greetings to angola (i'm in
germany). irc was still not replaced by slack, discord or skye, and
hopefully won't be ever.
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875 [10:50:30] <kirk781> Hello tomreyn
876 [10:50:40] <kirk781> tomreyn, Skype's dead for all
practical purpsoes
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879 [10:51:52] <tomreyn> kirk781: not for business. sadly.
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881 [10:52:29] <kirk781> tomreyn, Microsoft has been mucking up
skype ever since they acquired it. From server side issues to
inconsistency amongst app designs, Skype is not as good as it once
was
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883 [10:53:32] <tomreyn> kirk781: afaik it was always
proprietary. we can keep discussing this in #debian-offtopic if you
like.
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887 [10:54:10] <kirk781> tomreyn, Everything goes on this
channel. No one is discussing Debian issues right now so it's
cool.
888 [10:54:28] <kirk781> I have seen more politics discussion in
some linux channels than in the politics channel themselves
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890 [10:54:38] <tomreyn> :)
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892 [10:55:30] <tomreyn> well, i don't like any of slack,
discord, skype, but several open source projects have moved tothose
proprietary options for communication, which is just sad.
893 [10:55:44] <tomreyn> after all there are open alternatives,
and irc continues to be one of them.
894 [10:55:46] <kirk781> tomreyn, IIRC, one can link Discord and
Slack to IRC.
895 [10:55:57] <kirk781> However, Slack cut off the integration
very recently.
896 [10:56:13] <kirk781> I don't like Discord either.
897 [10:56:20] <tomreyn> it's lock in either way
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899 [10:58:08] <tomreyn> i do understand how the ability to embed
images into the chat can be attractive, but most of the time this
isnt really needed.
900 [10:59:12] <tomreyn> i used to work for a company which used
skype. a complete disaster.
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1088 [13:04:59] <Sveta> tell your friends about freenode tomreyn
:)
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1091 [13:05:29] <Sveta> word of mouth can be really effective
1092 [13:05:48] <tomreyn> Sveta: most of my friends are on
freenode already ;)
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1095 [13:06:41] <Sveta> cool :) tell them to tell their friends.
then yoy meet their friends too.
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1159 [13:49:13] <coltkirk> Good morning, I switched to Debian
yesterday. Set up everything nicely, installed i3 but also kept
xfce4. Yet when I reboot, 'no init found. Try passing init =
bootarg". This seems to be common and I'm going through
the google archives atm to see what's what.
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1161 [13:50:59] <coltkirk> I suspect that "buster/sid"
testing may play a part in this, thus "stable" might be my
next option.
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1164 [13:51:16] <at0m> !testing
1165 [13:51:16] <dpkg> Testing is a continuously updated release
between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed
<buster>. See
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1186 [14:08:31] <bmbbsr> hi im trying to get stretch started
without passwort enter but cand find where to go
1187 [14:08:45] <bmbbsr> please give me a search path
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1189 [14:09:03] <abrotman> password for what?
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1192 [14:10:34] <l9> without root pw
1193 [14:10:35] <l9> ?
1194 [14:11:07] <Tom-_> coltkirk, *do* you have an /sbin/init?
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1196 [14:11:24] <Tom-_> you can install sysvinit-core if you want
one
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1199 [14:13:49] <bmbbsr> to start without passwort entry
1200 [14:15:12] <l9> define start
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1202 [14:17:11] <bmbbsr> starting the pc
1203 [14:17:21] <bmbbsr> will ask for user and passwort
1204 [14:17:33] <bmbbsr> i woudt like to get start without this
1205 [14:17:44] <l9> reset password in single and try over
1206 [14:17:45] <coltkirk> i'm actually installing the stable
9.6.0 version at the moment.
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1216 [14:21:33] <cinch> bmbbsr, search for "debian
autologin"
1217 [14:21:34] <tmroland> how do i install packages with apt
after i installed nvidia 410 from site?
1218 [14:21:41] <tmroland> it blocks me from doing anythign using
apt
1219 [14:22:01] <bmbbsr> autologin is the word i am searching
1220 [14:22:03] <Tom-_> tmroland, please post the error message
from apt to paste.debian.net
1221 [14:23:50] <tmroland>
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1223 [14:24:27] <Tom-_> tmroland, thanks, does your video card
work now?
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1225 [14:25:00] <tmroland> yes, using 410
1226 [14:25:03] <tmroland> all good
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1228 [14:25:33] <Tom-_> i don't know what 410 means yet... it
looks like you have two nvidia drivers installed and i'm unsure
of which one to tell you to delete
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1230 [14:25:58] <tmroland> i uninstalled the debian provided
repository nvidia drivers
1231 [14:26:06] <tmroland> and then i downloaded and ran the
official nvidia driver from their site
1232 [14:26:11] <tmroland> which is in use now
1233 [14:26:16] <Tom-_> and you want to keep the new one?
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1237 [14:26:29] <tmroland> obviously, the whole point was to use
the latest driver
1238 [14:26:34] <tmroland> i was on 390 before
1239 [14:26:38] <nkuttler> tmroland: why do you need the latest?
1240 [14:26:43] <tmroland> for countless reasons
1241 [14:26:45] <Tom-_> i'd say "No" then and
remove nvidia-installer-cleanup with apt
1242 [14:26:53] <tmroland> always a good idea to have latest
software especially drivers
1243 [14:26:57] <Tom-_> just guessing here, i haven't used
nvidia drivers in years
1244 [14:27:00] <tmroland> improved performance, fixed bugs
1245 [14:27:03] <tmroland> common sense really
1246 [14:27:07] <nkuttler> tmroland: well, what you're doing
is not supported on stable..
1247 [14:27:13] <tmroland> im on sid
1248 [14:27:24] <nkuttler> !debian-next
1249 [14:27:24] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
1250 [14:27:27] <nkuttler> ,v nvidia-driver
1251 [14:27:29] <judd> Package: nvidia-driver on amd64 --
jessie/non-free: 340.106-1; jessie-backports/non-free:
384.130-1~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 384.130-1;
stretch-backports/non-free: 390.87-4~bpo9+1; buster/non-free:
390.87-5; sid/non-free: 390.87-5; experimental/non-free: 410.78-2
1252 [14:27:34] <nkuttler> !experimental
1253 [14:27:34] <dpkg> experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian
Development. Packages here have been deemed
unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer
responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL
WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does
_not_ support experimental. For an actual description, see section
4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference.
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1254 [14:27:43] <tmroland> alright thanks
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1256 [14:28:18] <coltkirk> updating invidia drivers really screwed
me up a few days ago
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1262 [14:31:41] <tmroland> i just uninstalled with apt the debian
repository nvidia drivers then downloaded latest one from nvidia
site
1263 [14:31:43] <tmroland> run installer and done
1264 [14:31:45] <tmroland> that's about it
1265 [14:32:00] <tmroland> fixed the error as well now
1266 [14:32:01] <abrotman> until your next kernel upgrade ...
1267 [14:32:16] <tmroland> no issue, i can repeat the process when
and if i'll update the kernel
1268 [14:32:27] <tmroland> but i do prefer to have latest nvidia
drivers
1269 [14:32:36] <bmbbsr> Thanks ->
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1271 [14:33:04] <abrotman> That is an issue, you're just
repeating your process .. The "Debian Way" for nvidia
shouldn't have that problem .
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1273 [14:33:15] <tmroland> the debian provided packages are very
outdated
1274 [14:33:20] <abrotman> I don't really care, I don't
recommend anyone buy nvidia, but that's a different question
1275 [14:33:23] <tmroland> and its my personal preference to have
a newer version
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1277 [14:33:23] <abrotman> good luck!
1278 [14:33:32] <nkuttler> tmroland: #debian-next
1279 [14:33:37] <tmroland> i bought nvidia only for gaming
1280 [14:33:42] <tmroland> installing linux was a side activity
1281 [14:33:45] <nkuttler> !ot
1282 [14:33:45] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for
Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and
take longer discussions and non-support questions to
#debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of
people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few
minutes every day.
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1343 [15:03:33] <coltkirk> debian stable up and running, people
have suggested backports for packages, so that might be the next
step
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1348 [15:05:29] <SanchoPensa> hey guys! I need to reach the admins
of freenet, but when I try and connect to #admin, orwell tells me, I
need ssl enabled. I just installed pidgin otr and pidgin encryption,
but none of which seem to work... any ideas, pls?
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1352 [15:07:38] <nkuttler> SanchoPensa: try #freenet
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1355 [15:08:05] <SanchoPensa> nkuttler: thanks, m8!
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1360 [15:10:34] <coltkirk> why is it: apt-get -t stretch-backports
install emacs ;; yet still emacs24 rather than 26 is installed ?
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1365 [15:11:37] <bites> not every package has been backported.
1366 [15:11:45] <bites> ,v emacs
1367 [15:11:46] <judd> Package: emacs on amd64 -- wheezy: 45.0;
jessie: 46.1; stretch: 46.1; sid: 1:25.2+1-11; buster: 1:26.1+1-3;
sid: 1:26.1+1-3
1368 [15:11:50] <quiliro> Is it a problem to use Debian 9 with a
different package manager?: Guix
1369 [15:12:26] <coltkirk> well its a good day to get better at
compiling from source then
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1373 [15:14:01] <quiliro> is it bad to stop using apt except for
update and upgrade?
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1383 [15:18:04] <cinch> quiliro, yes kind of a problem if the
other package manager overwrites things
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1386 [15:19:12] <quiliro> cinch: guix does not overwrite any other
files
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1388 [15:19:20] <quiliro> it has its own store
1389 [15:19:28] <cinch> then it should be fine
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1391 [15:19:33] <quiliro> of source and binaries
1392 [15:19:40] <quiliro> cool, thanks cinch
1393 [15:19:45] <cinch> where does it put things? isn't it in
/.nix ?
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1403 [15:24:36] <quiliro> something similar .guix
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1407 [15:25:18] <bncn> is there anything that I can use on debian
like cpanel?
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1410 [15:25:40] <quiliro> only difference between nix and guix is
that nix uses several languages; guix uses mostly scheme
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1435 [15:32:45] <noodlepie> I'm moving back to Debian stable
on our communal PC - I will use Gentoo for Rolling release
1436 [15:32:46] <noodlepie> <noodlepie> I use Gentoo on my
laptop (8core i7 cpu - v. fast).
1437 [15:32:52] <coltkirk> scheme? like guile or something
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1469 [16:00:35] <ralpheeee> anyone know if doas / opendoas is
available in debian...(couldn't find anything while searching)
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1472 [16:01:27] <noodlepie>
replaced-url
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1475 [16:01:38] <noodlepie> Debian even :P
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1478 [16:02:41] <quiliro> coltkirk: yes guile is an implementation
of scheme
1479 [16:03:40] <ralpheeee> noodlepie: wow
1480 [16:04:11] <coltkirk> scheme is the wild wild west
1481 [16:04:19] <shibboleth> i was speaking to someone in
debian-next
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1483 [16:04:31] <shibboleth> they suggested that buster will have
a signed (secure boot) grub?
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1491 [16:07:11] <deleuze6> coltkirk: even though it has been
around since the seventies?
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1501 [16:10:40] <quiliro> deleuze6: is that good or bad?
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1507 [16:16:15] <quiliro> i still do not get the difference
between lisp, scheme and guile
1508 [16:16:30] <quiliro> there is something here
replaced-url
1509 [16:16:40] <quiliro> but it is still not clear for me
1510 [16:17:02] <quiliro> what i am trying to learn is guix which
uses guile
1511 [16:17:44] <quiliro> guix's intention is that package
management is completely functional
1512 [16:18:12] <quiliro> so guile's power is
functionality....I think....
1513 [16:18:25] <quiliro> that is my take on it
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1540 [16:35:17] <quiliro> ping
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1550 [16:40:33] <noodlepie> Just installing Stable on our Communal
PC, I was using unstable but I think it sensible to keep it tested
with other users using it, and it being an example flagship Free
Software installation.
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1559 [16:47:37] <at0m> noodlepie: yea. in my opinion, testing/sid
is ok if you're prepared and know how to fix issues. for people
who want things to just work, better use stable indeed
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1563 [16:49:01] <at0m> or always be there when people use it and
"ok i'll be an hour maybe 2 fixing this while you have a
coffee"
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1565 [16:49:30] <noodlepie> They only use Google Chome or Firefox
or Ephiphany (GNOME/X11/Wayland) and they think its some custom
winders theme - hehe. I explained it was all "Free
Software" and explained it as "Fun free stuff you can do
with a computer - that sold it!)
1566 [16:50:34] <at0m> noodlepie: yea that's great :)
1567 [16:51:56] <noodlepie> Back in the early 2000's I used
to run Debian Unstable on all our linux servers. Crazy looking back,
stable would have sufficed for what we were doing, but the rolling
release freshness was appreciated
1568 [16:52:35] <Bjornn> I like to have the newest release
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1571 [16:53:10] <noodlepie> For "rolling release CI/CD"
I use Gentoo from source packages, my 8 thread i7 CPU can cope with
updating quite well
1572 [16:53:49] <noodlepie> Debian is convenient for
older/slower/fewer cores PCs.
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1576 [16:57:14] <annadane> the problem with sid is if you use it
you upgrade *everything* so *everything* has different
configurations day to day and it can break in theory a few ways, of
course there's anecdotal evidence of people running it fine,
but still. this is in contrast to real rolling alternatives, or for
example seperating the base system from applications like bsd does
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1582 [16:59:16] <inquy> Hello all
1583 [16:59:30] <inquy> I have an issue with my trackpoint
1584 [16:59:52] <inquy> i disabled it with xinput but it seems
that also disable right and left button on my laptop
1585 [17:00:27] <inquy> do you think it is possible to only
disable trackpoint/stickpoint and keep left and right button with
xinput ?
1586 [17:01:20] <inquy> I used command like : xinput set-prop
"AlpsPS/2 ALPS DualPoint Stick" "Device Enabled"
0
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1654 [17:50:25] <uio1> !test
1655 [17:50:25] <dpkg> Test failed.
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1659 [17:52:07] <uio1> Hello. I'm using Strech LXDE, and the
clock time is in white text. This makes selecting a light panel bar
difficult for it would render the clock unreadable. How can I can
the clock time text colour?
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1668 [17:56:37] <nuxil> what does rsync service do ? i see there
is a service called rsync and its description says "remote
backup server". pls explain to me
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1671 [17:57:22] <uio1> I found the colour changer part. Thanks
anyway!
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1675 [17:58:07] <Akuw> how can i install flash plugin debian 9
1676 [17:58:37] <nuxil> why does my debian have a remote backup
service? i do not allow my stuff to be backed up remotly..
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1679 [17:59:32] <uio1> Is it bad security practice to download and
use other LXDE themes?
1680 [17:59:33] <at0m> dpkg: tell Akuw about flash
1681 [17:59:43] <uio1> I don't think I can go through
apt-get....
1682 [17:59:50] <nuxil> Akuw, deb9 really outdated. i would go for
ubuntu instead. i regret installing deb.. every DE is like out of
date with bugs.
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1689 [18:01:30] <vlt> nuxil: srsly?
1690 [18:01:41] <annadane> aptitude why rsync
1691 [18:01:46] <annadane> you can see what package pulled it in
1692 [18:01:48] <nuxil> vlt, yes. esp kde in deb 9
1693 [18:01:55] <nuxil> its full of bugs
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1695 [18:02:43] <nuxil> annadane, thanks
1696 [18:02:57] <discovered> jelly, you there? :)
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1698 [18:03:23] <Akuw> nuxil: what? i dont want to install ubuntu
1699 [18:03:26] <vlt> nuxil: rsync is a tool to sync files from a
source to a destination location (which can be on another host).
1700 [18:03:47] <nuxil> vlt, annadane gave the answer i needed ;)
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1705 [18:04:36] <vlt> nuxil: yw
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1712 [18:08:04] <whislock> nuxil: You don't seem to
understand what rsync is, though, even though you might know what
pulled it in.
1713 [18:08:26] <whislock> nuxil: And not having remote backups of
some form misses the point of backups.
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1718 [18:10:21] <nuxil> whislock, i dont really care what it does.
i was more curiouse where it came from. what installed it. and no
you dont need to do remote backups, nor do i want to.. you can do
plenty of local backups if you have the disks for it.
1719 [18:11:13] <whislock> nuxil: You should care what it does.
'man rsync'. And the statement about remote backups
wasn't a question or an opinion. It was a statement of fact. If
your backups are in the same place as your data, you don't have
proper backups.
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1721 [18:12:02] <at0m> whislock: you don't seem to understand
nuxil. user is in #debian, but really wants to be in #ubuntu
1722 [18:12:56] <whislock> The general idea about backups is that
no single event should be able to wipe out your data. If you keep
your backups locally, with nothing offsite, there are single events
that can destroy your data and your backups.
1723 [18:13:27] <whislock> at0m: I'm sure you're right,
but I consider such bad advice to be harmful to the people that ARE
here and want to know the right way to do things.
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1726 [18:14:44] <bltzfsck> what's the keystroke for backing
out of a document in w3m?
1727 [18:15:17] <bltzfsck> following links backwards, in other
words
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1751 [18:26:21] <discovered> seems debian testing has problem with
current installer(does not move the mouse pointer) and kernel 4.19-1
which only give me initramfs shell
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1753 [18:27:31] <CyberManifest> I've asked in #raspbian but
don't get a response; Raspbian 9.6 stretch I have XFCE
installed and synaptic installed but synaptic will not launch from
the XFCE menu, when I click on it, it does nothing, can someone
please help?
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1756 [18:28:12] <CyberManifest> discovered: is installer in
terminal?
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1759 [18:29:09] <annadane> try starting it from the terminal, see
what error messages, etc. but raspbian is basically not supported
here
1760 [18:29:14] <annadane> !they don't know
1761 [18:29:15] <dpkg> We're sorry your distro's channel
isn't being helpful, but that doesn't make it appropriate
to use #debian for non-Debian questions. Please go back to your
channel and wait patiently for better help, or install Debian and
party with us.
1762 [18:29:15] <discovered> CyberManifest, The graphical
installer.
1763 [18:29:29] <annadane> we can give you answers but the way
raspbian configured it may be different
1764 [18:29:50] <CyberManifest> annadande it's an
authentication issue with Polkit
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1768 [18:30:29] <CyberManifest> annadane: I thought since Raspbian
was built from stretch I could find help here
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1771 [18:31:07] <CyberManifest> dpkg: I've waited days
1772 [18:31:08] <dpkg> CyberManifest: are you using Windows?
1773 [18:31:17] <CyberManifest> dpkg: no
1774 [18:31:17] <dpkg> No Offense, or den norske debian kanalen
#debian-no. For skandinaviske brukere av debian. It is the norwegian
channel #debian-no for scandinavian users.
1775 [18:31:43] <annadane> you're talking to a robot
1776 [18:31:51] <annadane> i invoked dpkg with !i don't know
1777 [18:31:55] <CyberManifest> evidently
1778 [18:33:33] <annadane> or try ##linux
1779 [18:34:00] <CyberManifest> annadane: I have, no one is
helping
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1781 [18:34:12] <petn-randall> CyberManifest: You might need to be
a little more patient.
1782 [18:34:27] <CyberManifest> pent-randall then days?
1783 [18:34:33] <petn-randall> CyberManifest: Especially on
smaller channels it might take hours before getting a response.
1784 [18:34:51] <CyberManifest> petn-randall: DAYS!
1785 [18:35:07] <CyberManifest> petn-randall: DAYS of non help
1786 [18:35:10] <petn-randall> CyberManifest: There's always
their other support channels, like their mailing list.
1787 [18:35:46] <CyberManifest> petn-randall: there's also
always alternatives like Ubuntu MATE
1788 [18:35:55] <uio1> CyberManifest, What are you trying to do?
1789 [18:36:05] <petn-randall> CyberManifest: Sure. Whatever works
best for you.
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1791 [18:36:14] <uio1> CyberManifest, Oh, I see.
1792 [18:36:31] <CyberManifest> uio1: launch synaptic from XFCE
menu, or more precisely fix polkit issues
1793 [18:36:37] <hesco> .
1794 [18:36:45] <hesco> what happened to the netstat utility?
Building a container this morning, it is no longer available in my
packaging repository.
1795 [18:36:48] <hesco> I find a netstat-net, but it has a
different user interface
1796 [18:37:08] <uio1> CyberManifest, Can you just launch it from
terminal?
1797 [18:37:23] <petn-randall> hesco: net-tools
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1799 [18:37:46] <petn-randall> hesco: Btw, you can use apt-file to
find package containing certain binaries.
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1801 [18:37:53] <whislock> hesco: Is that needed as a dependency
for some other package? If its just for CLI usage, there are newer
commands.
1802 [18:38:04] <CyberManifest> uio1: no
replaced-url
1803 [18:38:09] <hesco> thanks petn-randall. will try that
1804 [18:38:11] <uio1> CyberManifest, No idea if this is related
but :
replaced-url
1805 [18:38:55] <petn-randall> CyberManifest, uio1, if you want to
continue this, why not on ##raspbian where others can benefit from
it, too?
1806 [18:39:01] <CyberManifest> uio1:
replaced-url
1807 [18:39:03] <hesco> whislock, I'd appreciate knowing
about the new tools, but I have built plenty of
deployment/configuration validation and monitoring over the years
which depend on netstat
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1809 [18:39:55] <CyberManifest> petn-randall: others can't
benefit here and there's too much traffic here?
1810 [18:40:19] <uio1> CyberManifest, Sorry, but all that flies
way over my head!
1811 [18:40:28] <whislock> hesco: netstat, and the other commands
from net-tools, have been deprecated for over ten years. You really
should work on updating your tools.
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1813 [18:40:32] <hesco> thanks petn-randall. that did the trick.
updating my manifests now to reflect that change.
1814 [18:40:40] <alejandro59000> hi all
1815 [18:40:44] <uio1> CyberManifest, Is there a more stable DE
than XFCE in rasbian
1816 [18:41:01] <CyberManifest> uio1 LXDE
1817 [18:41:10] <CyberManifest> uio1 but I've had XFCE
working before
1818 [18:41:19] <uio1> CyberManifest, Would just using LXDE solve
your problem?
1819 [18:41:30] <uio1> CyberManifest, What is different about your
current install?
1820 [18:41:38] <CyberManifest> uio1 synaptic problem but overall
problem no
1821 [18:42:07] <CyberManifest> uio1: don't know honestly,
I've tryed reinstalling same issue
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1824 [18:42:25] <uio1> CyberManifest, To be honest, if you
can't launch synaptic, there are bound to be other annoying
bugs, and apparently rasbian XFCE support leaves something to be
desired.
1825 [18:42:42] <hesco> whislock, for a query of whether a port is
being listened to by a process, what other than tools would you
suggest?
1826 [18:42:57] <whislock> hesco: ss
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1828 [18:43:20] <whislock> hesco: ss -l for listeners. ss -lt for
TCP listeners. etc.
1829 [18:43:24] <uio1> CyberManifest, I'd take the simple
route and go LXDE, but I say that with my level of inexperience. For
example, I wanted to use LXQt with Debian, but there were a bunch of
little things that would have taken me a while to solve, so I just
went with LXDE for simplicity's sake....
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1832 [18:43:45] <whislock> hesco:
replaced-url
1833 [18:43:47] <uio1> CyberManifest, But I get it, you prefer
XFCE. I don't know, how much is it work...
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1835 [18:43:59] <uio1> *much time is it worth?
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1837 [18:44:22] <whislock> hesco: iproute2 is the replacement for
net-tools.
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1840 [18:45:44] <CyberManifest> uio1 I've invested weeks, and
days so far
1841 [18:46:29] <uio1> CyberManifest, I get you. I know what you
mean. But down the line, there will be more bugs, no? With package
changes and so on. It looks like LXDE gets the best support.
1842 [18:47:07] <uio1> CyberManifest, Weeks and days on one issue?
Or on solving all the other little things?
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1844 [18:48:12] <CyberManifest> uio1 days on one issue weeks on
the whole ideal setup
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1849 [18:49:35] <uio1> CyberManifest, That seems like a lot. I
don't know. I'm more function concerned to be honest. But
I also know next to nothing about linux as some of the other users
here could attest (going by my terrible quesions...).
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1852 [18:50:56] <uio1> CyberManifest, It looks like you're
getting some responses on #raspbian. I don't think there's
much help here... best of luck....
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1854 [18:51:50] <CyberManifest> uio1: thank, and thank you kindly
for at least responding and trying to offer some sympathies
1855 [18:52:23] <uio1> uio1, You're welcome! I too was very
frustrated with my installation process despite excellent help!
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1897 [19:17:10] <uio1> I'm trying to use SMplayer youtube
browser, but it says it can't find the video url when I try to
click on the video result.
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1900 [19:18:46] <uio1> Does anyone use SMPlayer Youtube Browser
successfully?
1901 [19:19:03] <at0m> !anyone
1902 [19:19:03] <dpkg> Please do not ask if anyone can help you,
knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'.
Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_
"does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about
<popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask>
<polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
1903 [19:19:50] <uio1> !don't be afraid of the word anyone -
the question was relevant
1904 [19:19:53] <at0m> uio1: can the player find another online
file or .m3u stream or something?
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1906 [19:20:07] <uio1> at0m, I'll see....
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1908 [19:20:16] <at0m> i use youtube-dl if i really need to
youtube
1909 [19:20:34] <uio1> at0m, Is that the same as youtube-viewer?
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1912 [19:21:16] <uio1> at0m, I think you have to download, as dl
would suggest the video, with youtube-dl
1913 [19:21:44] <discovered> Linux command line installation
keyboard does not work too for latest build of buster? Anyone tried
please?
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1915 [19:22:33] <uio1> !anyone
1916 [19:22:33] <dpkg> Please do not ask if anyone can help you,
knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'.
Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_
"does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about
<popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask>
<polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
1917 [19:22:33] <discovered> I used rufus to make the usb bootable
1918 [19:22:37] <uio1> lol
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1924 [19:25:40] <petn-randall> CyberManifest: It's still
about issues on a distro that is not supported in here. If you can
reproduce the issue on Debian feel free to raise a bug about it.
1925 [19:26:24] <EdePopede> uio1: how does smplayer work with
youtube? do you know if it uses youtube-dl? (what i've heard
that's what mpv does)
1926 [19:26:31] <uio1> at0m, Here's some terminal output :
replaced-url
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1929 [19:26:56] <CyberManifest> petn-randall: bug reports have
already been made as far as I can tell, and Debian alone
doesn't run on ARM
1930 [19:27:13] <PaddyF> it does
1931 [19:27:20] <\x> ^
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1933 [19:27:36] <CyberManifest> PaddyF: Armbian is a distro like
Raspbian is a distro
1934 [19:27:38] <uio1> EdePopede, I think that youtube-dl is only
used for downloading a youtube video (available in the repos) while
youtube-viewer can be used to view or listen to videos/ music in the
command line (but not available in repos)
1935 [19:28:10] <PaddyF> CyberManifest: no, really. you can
bootstrap pure debian blend
1936 [19:28:19] <discovered> I have downloaded the daily build
netinstall from this link:
replaced-url
1937 [19:28:27] <CyberManifest> PaddyF: on a raspberry pi?
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1939 [19:28:48] <PaddyF> i can only speak for banana pi but yes
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1942 [19:28:59] <EdePopede> uio1: never used any of these as i
have youtube-dl (cli rocks!) and once i have the url of the mp4 or
the m3u8 i can pass it to mplayer (or ffmpeg wrapper in the case of
m3u8)
1943 [19:29:15] <CyberManifest> PaddyF and get to a graphical
Interface?
1944 [19:29:31] <PaddyF> CyberManifest: you get everything that is
in the debian archive
1945 [19:29:37] <at0m> PaddyF: not on rpi. rpi needs the BCM blobs
afaik. #raspbian isn't #debian
1946 [19:29:46] <CyberManifest> PddyF and working?
1947 [19:30:04] <CyberManifest> PaddyF: see, what at0m said
1948 [19:30:09] <at0m> that said, i also add the debian armhf
repo's to my rpi's
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1950 [19:30:39] <PaddyF> lets try this the other way around: show
me 1 package that isnt in the debian archive
1951 [19:30:42] <catsup> any easy way to find out which packages
will be taking up space after 'apt-get upgrade'? it says
it's going to use an additional 500MB(!) just want to know the
culprit
1952 [19:30:49] <CyberManifest> at0m, I wonder if that would help
in my instance: can you share those repos or direct me to where they
are found?
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1958 [19:32:09] <uio1> at0m, EdePopede Hmmm, yeah SMPlayer can
search for the videos, but not play them... "url not
found"
1959 [19:32:09] <at0m> CyberManifest: they're just regular
debian repo's. say, "deb
replaced-url
1960 [19:32:41] <at0m> uio1: i'd look for that
"Unexpected reply signature: got \"\", expected
\"a{sv}\"" error
1961 [19:32:46] <CyberManifest> PaddyF: gnome-disks
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1964 [19:33:14] <EdePopede> uio1: does it tell you the url? maybe
with more verbosity or something
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1966 [19:33:52] <PaddyF> CyberManifest: naming issue maybe? is it
Palimpsest?
1967 [19:33:54] <at0m> CyberManifest: also, you'll get many
packages that would install on rpi, but not necessarily run on it.
try starting KDE on rpi with its 256/512/1024MB RAM. fun fun
1968 [19:33:55] <lord_rob> Hi! I keep getting "robert is not
in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported." but
I've uncommented the line that allows all the members of the
group sudo to sudo, and robert is a member of sudo. What's
wrong then ?
1969 [19:34:26] <vlt> lord_rob: Did robert re-login?
1970 [19:35:04] <CyberManifest> at0m, yes I'm aware, and much
so of resource limitations, but I don't think it's too
much to expect synaptic and polkit to work properly
1971 [19:35:17] <at0m> ouch synaptic
1972 [19:35:23] <at0m> that still around?
1973 [19:35:30] <CyberManifest> very much so
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1975 [19:35:36] <at0m> learn to use apt ;p
1976 [19:35:46] <CyberManifest> at0m, retooled for pkexec even
1977 [19:35:52] <at0m> root has no business whatsoever on a
desktop, IMHO
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1979 [19:36:00] <PaddyF> poor root
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1981 [19:36:16] <lord_rob> vlt: yes
1982 [19:36:33] <uio1> EdePopede, No, doesn't give url... Are
you able to browse youtube in cli with a tool?
1983 [19:36:42] <at0m> CyberManifest: for me, too much trickery
going on behind the screens and you have no idea what's
actually going on
1984 [19:36:49] <CyberManifest> at0m, I use apt all the time but
synaptic makes seeing a broad view of things already installed and
additional packages at the same time handy
1985 [19:36:57] <uio1> EdePopede, Main issue is finding the vid
url...
1986 [19:37:11] <at0m> CyberManifest: aptitude has an ncurses
interface that does just that
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1990 [19:37:37] <EdePopede> uio1: `youtube-dl -F $url` gives a
list and with `-f $format -g` i get the link to the m3u8 or whatever
i can get
1991 [19:37:51] <EdePopede> uio1: usually all i need
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1993 [19:37:59] <uio1> EdePopede, Right, but you have to already
have the url...
1994 [19:38:11] <CyberManifest> at0m: I'm a very visual
person, ncurses is limited in comparison of synaptic otherwise I
don't think synaptic would have ever been built
1995 [19:38:28] <EdePopede> uio1: the one with the 11-character
video ID?
1996 [19:38:55] <uio1> at0m, EdePopede If I right click in
smplayer youtubrbowser I can select play in browser, which works,
but play in mpv or smplayer doesn't...
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1998 [19:38:57] <uio1> Bug?
1999 [19:39:04] <uio1> uio1, yes.
2000 [19:39:09] <uio1> EdePopede, Yes.
2001 [19:39:20] <uio1> EdePopede, Youtube-viewer is great!
2002 [19:39:28] <uio1> but not in debians repos...
2003 [19:39:30] <EdePopede> uio1: no idea, i don't have much
that reacts on rightclick ;)
2004 [19:39:39] <at0m> ^
2005 [19:39:50] <uio1> EdePopede, lol
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2008 [19:40:06] <uio1> at0m, You in cli too?
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2010 [19:40:18] <at0m> uio1: much as i can, yes
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2012 [19:40:33] <uio1> ok
2013 [19:40:34] <at0m> mpv does right-click for pauzing \o/
2014 [19:40:57] <EdePopede> ok, mc tags files when i righ-click
them. but i prefer the keyboard with filemanagers ;)
2015 [19:41:45] <EdePopede> mplayer was my tool of choice to find
out about mouse keys, the error message when i clicked was the
clearest info i could find
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2018 [19:42:34] <at0m> uio1: and you've tried other youtube
video's/pages, i assume?
2019 [19:42:39] <at0m> same error?
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2021 [19:43:22] <uio1> at0m, Other vids won't open..
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2023 [19:43:49] <uio1> No big deal. I'll just go through
firefox...
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2025 [19:44:44] <EdePopede> uio1: make the shell your friend.
it's worth the effort.
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2032 [19:46:22] <uio1> EdePopede, To be honest, one of my goals in
life is to spend as little time as possible in front of screens, and
I have the feeling that going cli would not lead me there! I like
Linux more for its philosphy and ecology (use old machines) than
anything else...
2033 [19:46:43] <uio1> EdePopede, But I admire the simplicity of
cli.
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2037 [19:49:10] <EdePopede> uio1: depends. one of the things of
cli is that you can simplify complex tasks. let simple commands do a
complex job, let a job get repeated with some changes. with a GUI
you'd probably need some extra programs or addons or whatever.
do you use kde?
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2039 [19:49:20] <EdePopede> or at least K3b?
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2045 [19:53:06] <CyberManifest> It's worth noting that
synaptic works in LXDE as intended, it also works with gksudo in
XFCE but synaptic-pkexec or pkexec synaptic do not work from XFCE
2046 [19:53:27] <CyberManifest> leading the suspect of a culprit
to be polkit
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2067 [20:05:32] <Bushmaster> debian stretch made serious
improvement
2068 [20:05:58] <Bushmaster> it can allow doing things that i did
not manage to do in jessie
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2096 [20:36:04] <Tordek> hi
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2099 [20:36:18] <Tordek> for some repos I keep getting "The
repository 'replaced-url
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2103 [20:37:16] <Tordek> happens with
replaced-url
2104 [20:37:43] <Tordek> they all say "The HTTP server sent
an invalid reply header"
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2106 [20:38:10] <Tordek> but I'm not seeinganything weird if
I go to those locations manually; any ideas on what could be the
issue?
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2111 [20:40:00] <at0m> Tordek: why https? may give some false
sense of security.. packages are signed. try without the https, just
http, apt update and retry
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2113 [20:40:36] <at0m> not sure for these 3rd party repo's,
they should have their own howto's
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2120 [20:42:55] <Tordek> hmm, alright, that seems to have been the
thing, though docker seems to just redirect to https unfortunately
2121 [20:43:10] <at0m> yea docker needs the https
2122 [20:43:45] <Tordek> weird part is that id had been working so
far, though
2123 [20:43:59] <at0m> here it's deb [arch=amd64]
replaced-url
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2125 [20:44:57] <at0m> maybe something changed in
apt--transport-https
2126 [20:45:07] <at0m> *apt-transport-https
2127 [20:45:23] <Tordek> mine's at stretch, but yeah
2128 [20:46:27] <at0m> you could grep apt-transport-https
/var/log/apt/term.log or something, and see if anything changed
there lately
2129 [20:46:53] <Tordek> no matches
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2132 [20:48:59] <Tordek> even the changelog is from 2017 so...
weirder even
2133 [20:49:08] <Tordek> thanks, though!
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2171 [21:14:59] <Tordek> hm, so... I did an apt-get reinstall for
apt-transport-https
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2174 [21:15:47] <Tordek> and now when I tried an apt-update `top`
reported `_apt` was running `https` and it was using 100%CPU
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2178 [21:16:46] <eugenmayer> to setup kerberos support in pam
under stretch i just basically need
replaced-url
2179 [21:17:14] <eugenmayer> (and all the /etc/krb5.conf bits and
pieces. sure, i have them0
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2182 [21:17:50] <eugenmayer> Basically i have apach2+mod_kerb_auth
up and running and trying to configure nginx though pam+kerb .. but
somehow failing .. and i cannot see anything in the logs
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2257 [21:47:49] <thelinuxguy> I have a server with a /64 block
routed to it. I already added a /112 subnet to it and want to
distribute it's addresses to clients connected through
wireguard. My question is how to configure iptables to forward the
ip6 traffic from and to the two interfaces.
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2264 [21:49:46] <whislock> thelinuxguy: So you're aware, IPv6
is not designed to subdivide /64s, by standard. You CAN, but you
might run into issues down the line.
2265 [21:50:32] <thelinuxguy> yeah I know. It's just that
I'm only getting a /64 block... I'm willing to try until I
hit a wall :D
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2269 [21:51:38] <whislock> As for the iptables bit... You'll
need to enable ipv6 forwarding in the kernel (sysctl), and ip6tables
(note the 6), you could just set the default FORWARD policy to
accept.
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2274 [21:53:17] <KNUBBIG> Hi! I've used this
replaced-url
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2279 [21:59:03] <n_1-c_k> KNUBBIG:
/usr/share/doc/spamassassin/examples offers sample spam and ham.
2280 [21:59:05] <thelinuxguy> whislock: I've got it enabled
in the kernel and I have Accept all as the first forward rule but it
doesn't seem to be working
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2282 [21:59:45] <KNUBBIG> n_1-c_k: thanks
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2286 [22:00:45] <SerajewelKS> thelinuxguy: you might add a logging
rule to the forward table so you can see if traffic is being
forwarded. also tcpdump will help you see traffic entering and
leaving specific interfaces.
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2288 [22:01:21] <SerajewelKS> note that just changing the
sysctl.conf file isn't going to make any changes, you also have
to reload it or make the changes by hand under /sys or /proc
2289 [22:01:50] <thelinuxguy> I checked under /proc to see the
status. I'll try logging then...
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2316 [22:11:22] <thelinuxguy> Found my issue. I somehow had a
route configured before the forwarding route... Is it safe to
forward everything or should I limit this?
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2323 [22:12:57] <SerajewelKS> thelinuxguy: it's not really
safe, no... you probably don't want to forward router
advertisements or solicitations, for example
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2439 [23:23:25] <Aebian> are there any ports I should leave open
for DNS to work? apperently my drop of all incoming traffic except a
few disrupted the DNS functionality
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2442 [23:29:05] <phogg> Aebian: DNS is port 53
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2445 [23:30:14] <phogg> Aebian: /etc/services should have a
mapping, or see the official list:
replaced-url
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2452 [23:34:28] <Aebian> thanks
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2457 [23:37:43] <watchcat> Aebian: you only need to open 53 if the
machine is serving dns.
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2461 [23:40:10] <Aebian> actually it isn't serving. It wants
to be able to get resolved nds queries back. Because even the simole
things like getting the debian repos fails
2462 [23:40:19] <Aebian> *dns
2463 [23:41:31] <digdilem> you don't need to open an external
port for that
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2466 [23:42:41] <Aebian> then something else seems to be wrong ok
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2468 [23:42:54] <Aebian> I should check the resolv.conf again
2469 [23:43:12] <digdilem> issue is possibly basic internet
connectivity (can you ping the dns servers you have set up?), or
debian doesn't know what nameservers you want to use (yes,
resolv.conf)
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2471 [23:43:46] <watchcat> using bad dns servers? opennic is
sometimes troublesome.
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2475 [23:45:06] <watchcat> 9.9.9.9 and 149.112.112.112 are good.
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2484 [23:51:16] <xdruppi> could someone tell me if it is a bad
idea to use another architecture for my system? i would like to use
i386 arc but i worry it might break it
2485 [23:51:32] <xdruppi> as in, adding it to the packaging system
2486 [23:51:36] <xdruppi> dpkg
2487 [23:51:49] <bites> !multiarch
2488 [23:51:49] <dpkg> Multiarch allows you to install foreign
architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be
installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386
&& apt-get update». See
replaced-url
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2490 [23:52:15] <xdruppi> thank you bites
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2498 [23:55:53] <xdruppi> what would happen if i install a bunch
of i386 things and then i remove the architecture from dpkg? does
that break things? does simply adding it do that?
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2501 [23:57:07] <bites> dpkg doesn't let you remove it until
you purge all packages from that architecture.
2502 [23:57:07] <dpkg> bites: You are person #1 to send an
unparseable request
2503 [23:57:14] <bites> meh.
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2505 [23:57:28] <xdruppi> huh interesting, thanks again bites very
helpful
2506 [23:57:34] <bites> no problem. ^^
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