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32 [00:13:32] <jcb2016> is there somehwere i can read on the
life of a realese ie how it goes from unstable to testing to stable
and how long it is maintianed?
33 [00:14:00] <jcb2016> i found it nvm o_O
34 [00:14:12] <somiaj> some info is here,
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35 [00:14:21] <jcb2016> yea thats what i found
36 [00:14:47] <somiaj> there is no set time frame. A release is
released when it is ready, one year after that oldstable looses
offical security support (but the LTS team picks up server side
support for many more years, and there is even an ETLS team that
picks up after that)
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42 [00:15:45] <MACscr> isnt "systemctl enable
php7.2-fpm" enough to setup php-fpm to start at boot?
43 [00:15:46] <somiaj> I think ETLS is still supporting wheezy
for very specific packages (matained by volunteers and donations by
coorpations using software on wheezy and not able to upgrade)
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47 [00:17:05] <somiaj> MACscr: usually packages wich provide
servers are set to run automatically, so maybe something else is
preventing that. Sometimes you can find more info in
/usr/share/doc/php7.2-fpm (I'm not sure on the details of this
service though)
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55 [00:22:16] <jcb2016> first time i ever heard of debian i
think it was at woody
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61 [00:23:37] <MACscr> somiaj ok. hmm, doing systemctl start
php7.2-fpm works fine to start it, so must be something else. I will
check with the sury repo
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63 [00:24:15] <somiaj> MACscr: after you boot, what does
systemctl status php7.2-fpm look like (maybe something is preventing
it from starting at boot and you can see the error there)
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71 [00:27:18] <MACscr> somiaj php7.2-fpm.service start operation
timed out. Terminating.
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73 [00:28:02] <somiaj> sounds like it is running a bit to early
in boot, and not able to do something (unsure what is timing out)
and failing, but once you have booted it then works just fine. Maybe
look at the unit file for more details.
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141 [01:26:51] <mrig> Hello again, I have reinstalled, after a
little more investigation noticed that it is after the latest
firefox update that my previously discussed usb sound card issue
occurs. After which I can no longer unplug then plugin the audio
whilst firefox is open, less hassle that logging out and then back
in again, which is what I thought was previously required,
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172 [01:59:22] <A|an> After invoking systemd-suspend.service,
does the system wake up with a mouse/keyboard action?
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177 [02:03:39] <awal1> A|an, system wake up for me pressing Esc
but it doesn't react to mouse
178 [02:04:01] <awal1> not sure if that is systemd really related
or bios
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180 [02:04:36] <awal1> maybe something you can find checking
systemd logind stuff
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184 [02:07:27] <awal1> nothing in /etc/systemd/logind.conf
185 [02:07:43] <awal1> i think it is bios related
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190 [02:10:12] <A|an> thanks
191 [02:10:42] <awal1> well, i am not sure about all that, A|an
192 [02:10:54] <awal1> it is just my opinion
193 [02:11:18] <awal1> there is maybe a systemd dedicated channel
194 [02:11:25] <awal1> dpkg: systemd
195 [02:11:25] <dpkg> systemd is a system and service manager for
Linux, compatible with SysV and LSB init scripts. It is a
replacement for <sysvinit>. systemd shipped as a technology
preview in Debian 7 "Wheezy" and is the default init
system in Debian 8 "Jessie".
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197 [02:11:46] <A|an> I think I'm going to have to install a
package of some sort...it's available in ubuntu from
installation
198 [02:11:48] <awal1> you have it #systemd
199 [02:12:06] <awal1> ubuntu stuff in debian?
200 [02:12:12] <awal1> ppa you mean?
201 [02:12:26] <A|an> no...I have a laptop installed with
ubuntue-mate
202 [02:12:39] <A|an> suspend is a shutdown option
203 [02:12:47] <awal1> what do you want to achieve exactly?
204 [02:12:56] <A|an> for whatever reason I don't have it
available in strectch
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206 [02:13:12] <awal1> what is your goal?
207 [02:13:23] <A|an> I want to, instead of leave my machine on,
put in suspend
208 [02:13:37] <A|an> low-power state
209 [02:13:45] <awal1> what desktop you use?
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211 [02:13:55] <A|an> gnome
212 [02:13:59] <awal1> gnome?
213 [02:14:01] <A|an> yes
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215 [02:14:12] <awal1> ok, so just go to gnome settings and
configure that
216 [02:14:30] <awal1> somewhere in system settings
217 [02:14:32] <A|an> i looked and didn't see it
availble...i'll look again
218 [02:14:51] <awal1> if not there try installing
gnome-tweak-tool pkg
219 [02:15:00] <awal1> maybe it is hadled from there
220 [02:15:07] <A|an> "automatic suspend"
221 [02:15:09] <A|an> hmmm
222 [02:15:13] <awal1> i don't use gnome now, so not sure
223 [02:15:20] <A|an> what do you use?
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225 [02:15:28] <violentE> after installing vmware (and in the end
uninstalling) I show /dev/zram0 ... /dev/zram7 showing up in fdisk
-l. I tried to do swapoff /dev/zram0 and so forth with no luck of
getting rid of them. Anyone know how I can remove these?
226 [02:15:34] <awal1> openbox/fvwm
227 [02:15:39] <A|an> ic
228 [02:16:19] <A|an> i've used gnome forever, is the only
reason I'm using it
229 [02:16:33] <A|an> lame reason, i guess
230 [02:16:35] <awal1> check gnome-tweak-tool
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232 [02:16:47] <A|an> anyway, let me see what
"automatic" about suspend
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234 [02:17:57] <awal1>
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236 [02:18:05] <awal1> gnome now is so stupid
237 [02:18:10] <A|an> yeah
238 [02:18:17] <A|an> i'm using classic
239 [02:18:24] <A|an> like classic coke
240 [02:18:26] <A|an> lol
241 [02:18:46] <A|an> it is really lame
242 [02:18:48] <awal1> they try to make it easier and light but
with that it lakes so many features and one have to ad and add and
add extensions
243 [02:18:58] <A|an> they've dorked it up
244 [02:19:13] <awal1> all that = more heavy/buggy
245 [02:20:06] <awal1> last time i tried gnome it took me like 15
minutes to find screen blanking /energy stuff
246 [02:20:21] <awal1> in system setting ^
247 [02:20:30] <A|an> I see now what the story is...press the
power button and it goes into suspend, hold it down and it kills
power
248 [02:21:09] <A|an> This was never an issue with me, but
I've decided to start being more power saving
249 [02:21:12] <awal1> well, hold it down have always been
poweroff, even in other systems
250 [02:21:53] <A|an> yeah, but single press puts it in
suspend...it's not available as a menu shutdown option
251 [02:22:21] <A|an> well, mystery (such as it was) solved
252 [02:22:38] <awal1> press power button you can configure what
it does in logind.conf maybe or in gnome power settings
253 [02:22:49] <A|an> I'm going to go desktop shopping
though...I *am* sick of gnome, really
254 [02:22:57] <awal1> i use xfce4-power-manager here
255 [02:23:15] <awal1> i have set press power button to no do
nothing
256 [02:23:20] <A|an> ah! xfce is my backup desktop
257 [02:23:48] <awal1> x-p-manager is compatible with all DE/WM
258 [02:23:59] <A|an> i was trying to remember what it was.
259 [02:24:16] <A|an> it's a small footprint desktop
260 [02:24:31] <awal1> i thought a hugue mosquito may sit in the
power button and may cause data loss :P
261 [02:24:38] <A|an> :)
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263 [02:25:02] <A|an> nobody wants problems:)
264 [02:25:08] <awal1> :D
265 [02:25:38] <awal1> well, you can just create a shortcut
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267 [02:26:18] <awal1> in my openbox i cam systemctl suspend via
keyboard using shift-ctrl-alt-s
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269 [02:26:32] <A|an> I'll take a look at openbox
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271 [02:27:00] <awal1> openbox is just one of many window
managers available out there...
272 [02:27:23] <awal1> it is my preferred
273 [02:27:38] <awal1> well, dinner time here
274 [02:27:44] <awal1> gluck
275 [02:27:49] <A|an> take care
276 [02:28:03] <A|an> thanks for the insight
277 [02:28:07] <A|an> :)
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341 [03:38:57] <Deihmos> what is used to read root mail on debian
server? is it exim4?
342 [03:39:31] <Deihmos> is mutt and exim4 the same kind of
program
343 [03:39:43] <ksk> no and no.
344 [03:39:51] <ksk> to read mail, you would invoke the
"mail" utility
345 [03:40:04] <Deihmos> there is no mail utility installed by
default
346 [03:40:18] <ksk> What are you trying to do?
347 [03:40:33] <Deihmos> read mail from unattended updates
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349 [03:41:40] <ksk> take a look at the package mailutils.
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351 [03:42:17] <ksk> you might alternativly look into installing
an MTA (like exim4) and make it "send mail only" setp
(dpkg does ask that, iirc)
352 [03:42:31] <ksk> and then alias root to some email account of
yours - to get the changes via "real mail"
353 [03:43:02] <ksk> if you just want to read them locally,
install mailutils, it brings a "mail" utility.
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357 [03:45:05] <Deihmos> exim4 and mailutils can do the same
thing?
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359 [03:45:22] <ksk> no
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361 [03:45:42] <Deihmos> can they both do just local mail
362 [03:46:11] <Deihmos> i guess most people have them configured
for external mail. i wouldn't need that
363 [03:46:28] <ksk> like I said, for local usage go with the
mailutils package.
364 [03:46:37] <Deihmos> actually all i need is to occasionally
see what what was auto updated
365 [03:46:59] <Deihmos> ok
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398 [04:18:18] <daniel-s> Is someone able to explain this line
from apt-get update on buster? It is the longest part (by time) of
the update.
399 [04:18:20] <daniel-s> Get:68
replaced-url
400 [04:18:35] <daniel-s> Why are icons being updated from apt?
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411 [04:24:11] <jcb2016> daniel-s: there is a debian-next channel
on oftc server they might be able to help
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413 [04:24:52] <jcb2016> Debian-next is buster
414 [04:25:24] <daniel-s> OK, thanks
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422 [04:31:37] <awal1> daniel-s,
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425 [04:34:42] <awal1>
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426 [04:34:59] <kreyren> jelly: > kreyren: what's aptfu?
an alias? ... yes for full system update
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429 [04:35:47] <kreyren> blackflow: > yes, it's managed
by package and updates on postinst hooks. if you want to modify your
grub.cfg you'd have to do it differently, through proper grub
configuration. ... i want apt to ignore my grub.cfg ideally since
i'm using one /boot for multiple OSs
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450 [04:47:57] <outoftime> Who can run executable for debian
stretch
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462 [04:51:22] <Unit193> fling: Finally got around to packaging
lariza, short of it: Xombrero opens faster still and is a bit nicer.
I'm not sure yet if lariza/webkit2 support user scripts but the
manpage said nothing about them at least. The keybinds out of the
box are non-standard, but at least it has them. For tabbed browsing,
it uses the suckless tool 'tabbed', so has a i3wm feel to
it. So pretty much, it's a webkit2
463 [04:51:22] <Unit193> browser that supports aliases, it's
pretty quick to open but most certainly missing some configuration
options, features, and polish.
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475 [04:53:49] <fling> Unit193: thanks!
476 [04:54:13] <fling> Unit193: are you also using xombrero?
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478 [04:54:25] <Unit193> fling: For some things, yeah.
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481 [04:54:47] <fling> Unit193: which distro are you using it on?
Have a deb?
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486 [04:55:54] <Unit193> fling: Would 'it' be lariza or
xombrero here? Lariza would be a replacement for xombrero, not my
default browser (though, it's a bit short of xombrero's
featureset and configurability.)
487 [04:56:08] <Unit193> xombrero was at one time packaged in
Debian.
488 [04:56:51] <fling> Unit193: I have my own xombrero ebuilds
for gentoo but I found no amd64 debian packages.
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490 [04:57:09] <fling> Unit193: also xombrero is not patched
against spectre/meltdown and probably other bad things.
491 [04:58:18] <Unit193> As it uses webkitgtk, yes it most
certainly leaves you wide open.
492 [04:58:58] <fling> Unit193: but it could be fine with js
blacklisted :P
493 [04:59:57] <Unit193> fling: Yes, js off by default and easy
to toggle is one of those features lariza is lacking, same with
proxy toggle support.
494 [05:01:32] <fling> Unit193: why is xombrero abandoned anyway?
495 [05:02:24] <Unit193> fling: Because webkitgtk is abandoned
and unmaintained, while webkit2gtk simply doesn't expose
everything xombrero used in the API.
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497 [05:03:05] <fling> Unit193: should we patch xombrero and/or
webkit2gtk?
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499 [05:05:01] <Unit193> The whole point was that xombrero
wouldn't be easy to port to webkit2gtk, if it even could be.
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501 [05:09:12] <Petit_Dejeuner> rant: Hey thanks for the help!
Upgrading the kernel was definitely a step in the right direction.
I'll see what I can do on my own my own. (If anyone from the
future is following the logs. Upgrading the kernel was enough to get
some firmware errors on dmesg and fixed the Vivobook trackpad and
bluetooth as well.
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513 [05:19:03] <Unit193> fling: 'surf' might be good to
check out.
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518 [05:24:18] <rant> Petit_Dejeuner: yes well did you also
install the firmware package from backports?
519 [05:24:42] <fling> Unit193: or to adopt the xombrero like
controls in firefox somehow?
520 [05:24:46] <fling> Is iceweasel dead too?
521 [05:24:53] <rant> Petit_Dejeuner: if the backports kernel and
firmware didn't fix it, then you may only need newer firmware
which can be downloaded from intel and placed into /lib/firmware/
522 [05:25:31] <rant> fling: iceweasel was a stop-gap thing to
deal with firefox lisc issues where they wouldnt allow distribution
of modified source without modifying the name, but now they have
firefox-esr
523 [05:26:12] <fling> rant: so firefox-esr is allowed to be
patched but firefox is not?
524 [05:26:34] <rant> fling: firefox-esr is "official"
but its a branch specifically for people or organizations that want
to maintain it themselves
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526 [05:27:02] <rant> fling:
replaced-url
527 [05:27:09] <fling> just wanted to ask for a link :P
528 [05:27:46] <fling> rant: in gentoo I only see firefox package
which allows to modify it drastically with use flags.
529 [05:28:12] <rant> fling: yes well thats probably because
gentoo is not a binary distro.. its distributed as source
530 [05:28:19] <jcb2016> Omg gentoo and use flags my worst
nightmare
531 [05:28:37] <fling> jcb2016: I use it everywhere and it just
works.
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534 [05:28:54] <jcb2016> fling: you have rime for
535 [05:29:00] <jcb2016> Time*
536 [05:29:05] <rant> fling: what is it you want exactly? are you
in need of a newer firefox or something?
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538 [05:29:32] <rant> because I just so happened to write
something last night in regard to someone asking about a newer
firefox in debian. :D
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540 [05:31:35] <rant> I haven't tested it, but I got a
chuckle writing it..
replaced-url
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543 [05:32:12] <rant> I called it dufus, in case you're the
kinda dufus who can't use one of the browsers we got :D
544 [05:32:53] <fling> jcb2016: what do you mean?
545 [05:33:25] <fling> rant: first I need to figure out what to
use as a replacement for iceweasels.
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547 [05:33:37] <fling> rant: second I want to be able to use
xombrero like controls in browsers somehow
548 [05:33:40] <jcb2016> fling: gentoo was a nightmare for me use
flags and updating world for noobs that Distro is a nightmare
549 [05:34:20] <rant> fling: the replacement for iceweasel is
firefox-esr and while I used xombrero before idk what you mean by
"xombrero like controls"
550 [05:34:33] <fling> jcb2016: what happened exactly? Do you
have an error message or something? It just works for most people if
you follow the handbook. hmm hmmm
551 [05:35:02] <fling> rant: xombrero like is like hit
':' to type in commands etc
552 [05:35:02] <rant> this is not #gentoo the only gentoo we
support here is
553 [05:35:05] <rant> ,i gentoo
554 [05:35:06] <judd> Package gentoo (x11, optional) in
stretch/amd64: fully GUI-configurable, two-pane X file manager.
Version: 0.20.7-1; Size: 540.0k; Installed: 1840k; Homepage:
replaced-url
555 [05:35:11] <jcb2016> fling: that was 6 years ago I forgot
what happens
556 [05:35:30] <rant> fling: so you want your browser to work
like vi ? :P
557 [05:35:45] <fling> jcb2016: /j #gentoo and we will talk about
it more then :P
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560 [05:36:03] <jcb2016> 😬
561 [05:36:07] <fling> rant: sorry, just trying to be friendly in
all the conversations here :>
562 [05:36:19] <rant> fling:
replaced-url
563 [05:36:28] <jcb2016> rant: is cool
564 [05:36:28] <rant> you could also talk about it in
#debian-offtopic
565 [05:37:04] <rant> fling: turns out you're far from the
only one who wanted those sorts of nutty features in FF
566 [05:37:20] <fling> rant: ok so you are saying firefox package
does not allow custom patches but firefox-esr allows them?
567 [05:37:39] <fling> But I'm not using vim. mostly sed
haha
568 [05:38:26] <rant> fling: firefox-esr as I said before is a
official branch specifically for large groups which want to maintain
it themselves.. so yes.. they allow it to be seperately maintained.
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570 [05:39:22] <fling> Is there a list of patches applied by
debian to firefox-esr?
571 [05:39:50] <rant> fling: the issue was that DFSG (Debian Free
Software Guidelines) was strict and so was Mozilla's lisc.. and
because debian heavily patched, debanized, and modified the source,
Mozilla wouldnt previously allow them to call it firefox because
they didnt want to be associated with the changes and bug reports..
so as a compromise many years ago we branded our firefox
"iceweasel" that is no longer required
572 [05:40:02] <rant> fling: of course, there is a list of all
patches to all debian packages
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574 [05:40:37] <rant> fling:
replaced-url
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577 [05:42:01] <rant> fling: most patches are same as upstream
fixes and such.. but debian specific stuff regarding any given
package is usually found in
/usr/share/doc/<package>/README.debian
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579 [05:43:22] <rant> fling:
/usr/share/doc/firefox-esr/README.Debian
replaced-url
580 [05:43:55] <rant> any time a maintainer makes debian specific
changes or has something debian-specific to say, thats where
you'll find it.. in /usr/share/doc/ in a README.Debian file
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586 [05:49:47] <agio> other than debianizing and say tweaking
option settings (like turning telemetry off by default) firefox, why
wouldn't debian just take firefox as is from mozilla?
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588 [05:50:42] <rant> debian doesn't take anything as-is ..
but also most the tradition on these things is before we had
volitile and such..
589 [05:50:47] <fling> rant: I switched all the containers to
buster and got firefox-esr installed, and iceweasel is a
transitional package now
590 [05:51:02] <rant> for one thing we always historically
backported security fixes into older versions.. now with browsers
thats not always the case
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592 [05:51:28] <rant> fling: yes well iceweasel has been a
transitional package for a long time now
593 [05:51:36] <rant> ,v firefox-esr
594 [05:51:37] <judd> Package: firefox-esr on amd64 --
jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.1.0esr-1~bpo80+1;
wheezy-security: 52.8.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1;
jessie-security: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; sid: 60.4.0esr-1; stretch:
60.5.0esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 60.5.1esr-1~deb9u1;
stretch-security: 60.5.1esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 60.5.1esr-1
595 [05:52:10] <rant> fling: as you can see both jessie and
stretch had firefox-esr.. iceweasel was MANY years ago
596 [05:52:42] <rant> dpkg, what is iceweasel?
597 [05:52:42] <dpkg> Iceweasel was a DFSG-free fork of
<firefox>, replacing it in Debian since 4.0 "Etch".
See <why iceweasel>, <iceweasel vs firefox>,
<iceweasel user-agent>,
replaced-url
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599 [05:54:07] <agio> rant: there seems only one version of
firefox-esr in stable, so when you say "backported security
fixes into older versions" - do mean the versions in previous
releases like jessie etc?
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601 [05:54:34] <rant> fling: Iceweasel was Debian 4
"Etch" (2007) thru Debian 7 "Wheezy" (2013) as
of Debian 8 "Jessie" (2015) it was only a transitional
package
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605 [05:55:30] <rant> agio: I'm not talking of any package
specifically I'm talking about debian package policy in
general.. historically once a distro freezes like buster is now, its
version numbers never change again.. if security fixes are found,
they're backported..
606 [05:56:04] <rant> agio: now in recent years we have volitile
or stable-updates as its called now, where highly volitile things
like browsers DO get version number increases during a stable
release's lifetime
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610 [05:56:57] <agio> rant: like firefox-esr getting upgraded
from 52 to 60 a couple of months ago?
611 [05:58:13] <rant> agio: yes, firefox has been upgraded
several times over the course of stretch and jessie's lifetime
612 [05:59:28] <agio> cool
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630 [06:10:35] <gzuh> what package contains the "deb"
command? searching it is hard as all packages are .deb
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632 [06:13:08] <rant> gzuh: the what now?
633 [06:13:19] <rant> ,find bin/deb
634 [06:13:22] <gzuh> actually it looks like i misread my guide
635 [06:13:23] <judd> No packages in stretch/amd64 were found
with that file.
636 [06:13:38] <rant> gzuh: what guide?
637 [06:13:51] <gzuh>
replaced-url
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639 [06:14:06] <gzuh>
replaced-url
640 [06:14:54] <rant> gzuh: yes well they are referring to a line
in /etc/apt/sources.list
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643 [06:15:31] <rant> or in this case a sources.list.d/ file
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645 [06:15:54] <gzuh> yeah my bad yall
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693 [06:43:15] <well_laid_lawn> who is yall ?
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701 [06:45:40] <rant> well_laid_lawn: its like a southern form of
yinz as we say in Pittsburghese.. or "you all" referring
to a group of people
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963 [08:09:51] <Haohmaru> ,kicad
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966 [08:11:00] <Haohmaru> ,v kicad
967 [08:11:01] <judd> Package: kicad on amd64 -- wheezy:
0.20120526+bzr3261-1; jessie: 0.20140622+bzr4027-3;
jessie-backports: 4.0.5+dfsg1-4~bpo8+1; stretch: 4.0.5+dfsg1-4;
jessie-backports-sloppy: 4.0.7+dfsg1-1~bpo8+1; stretch-backports:
5.0.2+dfsg1-1~bpo9+1; buster: 5.0.2+dfsg1-1; sid: 5.0.2+dfsg1-1;
experimental: 5.1~20190127.4fc692f+dfsg1-1
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971 [08:12:59] <Hussar> How can I use guake as an overlay in a
full screen application
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989 [08:22:14] <Hussar> or not
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1039 [08:54:08] <mrig> Hello
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1052 [08:58:16] <mrig> When working with specific packages to
develop software in C, is it best to isolate packages in user space,
or to install them system wide?
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1055 [08:58:44] <Iridos> muaha…
1056 [08:58:47] <Iridos> "that depends"
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1059 [08:59:10] <darxmurf> good morning
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1061 [08:59:47] <darxmurf> did anybody try to upgrade the RAM on a
RAID controller? if yes did you see a performance gain?
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1063 [09:00:17] <darxmurf> I have this ARECA card with a 2Gb RAM
module and I was wondering if it would change a lot to put a 4Gb
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1069 [09:05:39] <mrig> Iridos I am scratching my head and
wondering if it is best to use the backports kernel and more recent
mesa too; Seems that the code that did not used to run, will compile
and run with the 9.8 debian version.
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1071 [09:07:06] <mrig> I was investigating this as in prior
instillation's it was required, but there are also so many
variables when starting out with the openGL hello triangle that it
is a little difficult to know.
1072 [09:08:14] <mrig> Tricky to debug too!
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1211 [10:36:00] <sk_tandt> Greetings! I have a keyboardless PC
running Stretch, and I'd like to have a virtual keyboard (say,
florence?) open up when text inputs receive focus: how may I achieve
that?
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1213 [10:36:05] <soulseeker> do you know how to enable vesa for
debian
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1221 [10:37:49] <sk_tandt> Not entirely certain, I'm afraid:
I only knew of the Xorg driver with that name
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1229 [10:39:35] <soulseeker> sk_tandt: how to activate it
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1231 [10:39:40] <willemb> What is the easiest way to detect a
symbolic link loop programmaticaly
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1242 [10:43:25] <soulseeker> that is part of the problem
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1245 [10:43:40] <soulseeker> different gpus made for different
drivers
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1247 [10:43:48] <soulseeker> and then they switch them around
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1249 [10:43:57] <soulseeker> or pipe it to sancho
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1257 [10:47:50] <soulseeker> how remove sancho graphics pipes
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1320 [11:35:42] <onlyopen> hello
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1328 [11:42:07] <onlyopen> i have a problem with boiling laptop, i
pasted some information from dmesg here:
replaced-url
1329 [11:42:30] <onlyopen> any idea where to start to fix this, or
report something?
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1333 [11:44:29] <Lope> I've got a dedicated server running
ubuntu where root is a LVM volume. I want to create another volume
for debian which will be the new OS.
1334 [11:44:35] <Lope> Should I debootstrap debian, or make a KVM
and setup the new debian OS that way?
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1336 [11:44:45] <Lope> Because I'm thinking that with KVM I
can get the new OS fully working before I boot it on the metal
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1339 [11:45:46] <areyouloco> Lope: you could also deboostrap and
chroot into the system and make it fully working as well
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1359 [11:52:27] <Lope> areyouloco, yes, I suppose. but fully
virtualizing it would allow me to move VM's over into it and
start them up inside it etc so I can get everything working, 1 step
at a time.
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1437 [12:30:48] <enoch> Hi guys, I have a strange issue
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1439 [12:31:06] <enoch> I have an user that can login with /bin/sh
but not with /bin/bash
1440 [12:31:27] <enoch> and if I try to run bash I get this:
"Killed"
1441 [12:31:29] <enoch> any idea?
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1445 [12:33:23] <no_gravity> Hello! On a lan, how does "ping
machine_b" on machine_a get the ip of machine_b?
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1449 [12:34:03] <blackflow> enoch: something broken in the
user's ~/.bashrc or profile files sourced by bash?
1450 [12:34:10] <bolt> no_gravity: DNS
1451 [12:34:12] <mutante> no_gravity: it looks in
/etc/nsswitch.conf _how_ it should do that
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1454 [12:34:40] <enoch> blackflow: it seems to be ok
1455 [12:34:51] <mutante> no_gravity: if that says DNS then DNS ,
if it says files then /etc/hosts
1456 [12:34:52] <no_gravity> bolt: So it asks the wifi router for
the IP of hostname "machine_b"?
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1460 [12:35:34] <mutante> no_gravity: if it asks DNS it asks the
server defined in /etc/resolv.conf
1461 [12:35:40] <bolt> no_gravity: see mutante's answer.
that's better. i missed the "lan" part. there's
lots of stuff that can kick in before it tries dns. but yes, your
router can know, based on dhcp hostnames.
1462 [12:35:40] <no_gravity> mutante: On which line? There is a
bunch of stuff.
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1465 [12:36:10] <no_gravity> I am asking because "ping
machine_b" pings the *wrong* ip.
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1467 [12:36:17] <mutante> no_gravity: the line that starts with
"hosts:"
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1469 [12:37:20] <no_gravity> mutante: hosts: files mdns4_minimal
[NOTFOUND=return] dns
1470 [12:37:39] <no_gravity> Funny, "dig machine_b"
spits out *two* IPs.
1471 [12:37:44] <mutante> no_gravity: yea, so first it checks
files (/etc/hosts) and after that DNS
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1474 [12:38:19] <JustASlacker> can be several A records. having
more than one IP addresses is fine
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1479 [12:39:35] <no_gravity> JustASlacker: But why does the router
assign 2 IPs to one machine?
1480 [12:39:38] <Greyztar> evening,anyone have a good resource for
learning how to make chroot of another distro like gentoo in debian?
1481 [12:39:43] <no_gravity> JustASlacker: And why does one not
work?
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1483 [12:40:07] <JustASlacker> well, no clue. just a random
comment about dns in general
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1485 [12:40:12] <mutante> no_gravity: what do you _really_ want to
test?
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1488 [12:40:31] <mutante> testing ICMP when you actually want to
use TCP might not be that helpful
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1491 [12:41:09] <mutante> f.e. it could be configured to drop ping
packets
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1493 [12:41:14] <no_gravity> mutante: Initially I wanted to start
analyzing why I see dropped packages in ifconifg on machine_b. I did
"ping machine_b" on machine_a and it said "network
unreachable". Then i realized it pings the wrong IP.
1494 [12:41:51] <mutante> no_gravity: check if there are any
entries in /etc/hosts for that host
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1497 [12:42:11] <no_gravity> mutante: I did. There are none.
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1502 [12:43:11] <mutante> no_gravity: use the "dig"
command together with @. for example "dig somehost
@192.168.0.1" where that IP is your local gateway/router
1503 [12:43:24] <mutante> is it also wrong there?
1504 [12:43:37] <Bowgly> Is anyone here maintaining an offline
debian system and experimented with various methods? I've tried
apt-offline in the last couple of days and I think it's
terrible
1505 [12:43:55] <Bowgly> I would rather use dpkg directly, but
that's obviously tedious in the long run
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1507 [12:43:56] <no_gravity> mutante: Same output as without the
@.
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1509 [12:44:03] <Bowgly> might try apt-zip next
1510 [12:44:18] <Bowgly> *experimented with various package
maintenance methods
1511 [12:44:40] <mutante> no_gravity: ok, then i would go to
/etc/resolv.conf and see if the IP of that router is in there and
try what happens if you remove it or replace it with 1.1.1.1 (public
DNS by Cloudflare)
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1514 [12:45:06] <no_gravity> mutante: Why would a public DNS know
a host in my lan?
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1517 [12:45:54] <mutante> no_gravity: it woudln't but then it
would show if the router returns the wrong result.. without breaking
DNS for you in general
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1519 [12:46:11] <no_gravity> mutante: I don't understand.
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1523 [12:46:42] <mutante> no_gravity: then go to the router web
interface and look for DNS related settings
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1537 [12:49:38] <no_gravity> IRC died when I plugged in a cable.
1538 [12:49:41] <no_gravity> Now I am back.
1539 [12:49:52] <no_gravity> On cable now.
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1541 [12:51:03] <onlyopen> ok, so i'm trying to compile 5.0.1
but have following error: No rule to make target
'debian/certs/test-signing-certs.pem', needed by
'certs/x509_certificate_list'
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1545 [12:51:34] <jelly> onlyopen: how exactly are you trying to
compile?
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1547 [12:51:46] <jelly> and from which sources
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1550 [12:53:13] <onlyopen> jelly: i made a copy from existing
config: 4.19.0-2 and try to compile 5.0.1 from kernel.org
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1552 [12:56:40] <jelly> onlyopen:
replaced-url
1553 [12:56:41] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
1554 [12:58:00] <onlyopen> hm.. i saw it thougt it is fixed, i
checked flags mention in reply, but i don't have them in my
.config file...
1555 [12:58:31] <jelly> hmm, they may have been renamed?
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1560 [13:00:07] <jelly> compare with config from
linux-image-4.19.0-2-amd64-unsigned I guess?
1561 [13:00:13] <jelly> also,
1562 [13:00:18] <jelly> !debian-next
1563 [13:00:18] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
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1569 [13:02:09] <onlyopen> jelly:
replaced-url
1570 [13:02:22] <onlyopen> there is flags related to keys in my
config file ^
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1580 [13:03:37] <onlyopen> ok, i will try to find a way out, and
probably move to debian-next
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1592 [13:05:31] <no_gravity> Strange. Why does "mtr -i 0.1
machine_a" show 8% package loss. But *not* when I run
"ping -i 0.2 machine_b" on machine_a?
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1600 [13:07:21] <blackflow> no_gravity: ICMP throttling
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1602 [13:07:37] <blackflow> ideally you shouldn't send more
than one packet per second. no need for it
1603 [13:07:52] <no_gravity> Just noticed that the package loss
goes away when machine_a pings *anything*. It does not have to be
machine_b.
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1606 [13:08:28] <no_gravity> blackflow: "mtr -i 1
machine_a" shows the same package loss.
1607 [13:09:02] <blackflow> no_gravity: *packet loss. where
though? at the final hop or any of the intermediaries?
1608 [13:09:10] <blackflow> the latter is quite normal. only the
final number counts.
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1610 [13:09:26] <blackflow> (only the nonzero packet loss at the
final hop, counts)
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1612 [13:10:05] <no_gravity> blackflow: How do I check where the
package loss hapens? (Both machines are on the lan)
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1615 [13:10:43] <blackflow> in the very output of mtr that you ran
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1618 [13:11:16] <no_gravity> blackflow: There is just one hop in
the output.
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1620 [13:12:19] <mutante> i thought the issue was "DNS has
the wrong IP for this host name", how is that related to ICMP
1621 [13:12:24] <blackflow> if there are no intermediaries, ie.
just the source and destination directly connected, then I
don't know. perhaps use SYN based ping and observe with
tcpdump. if you get SYN + SYNACK but no ACK, or no SYN at all
(skipped a beat), then the sending side is borking. if you
don't get SYNACK in response to SYN then the receiving side is.
roughly speaking.
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1684 [13:42:42] <tiny> Hi. Trying to upgrade one box from wheeze
to jessie. Update/upgrade/dist-upgrade whezy. Changed source to
jessie. Tried apt-get upgrade and I have a lot of packages kept
back.
1685 [13:42:46] <tiny>
replaced-url
1686 [13:42:51] <tiny> How do I resolve this?
1687 [13:43:00] <kreyren> How do i get kernel source on debian?
i've nuked /boot by mistake
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1690 [13:43:49] <blackflow> kreyren: reinstall linux-image-amd64
1691 [13:43:56] <kreyren> ty
1692 [13:44:00] <tiny> apt install linux-image-XXX
1693 [13:44:06] <blackflow> kreyren: btw, your previous question,
just uninstall grub, if you have something else managing grub in the
shared /boot
1694 [13:44:20] <kreyren> ah o.o ty
1695 [13:44:43] <blackflow> kreyren: if I understood your problem
correctly and you share /boot with other distros somehow and
don't want the debian instance to mess with it, uninstall grub.
it's not a hard dependency
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1699 [13:45:31] <blackflow> kreyren: make a backup copy of /boot
first, I don't recall if removing grub touches those files or
not
1700 [13:45:32] <kreyren> i'm making custom grub since
nothing can generate it correctly if it's shared..
1701 [13:45:55] <blackflow> kreyren: then keep in mind you'll
have to manually upgrade/update the bootloader from whichever
instance is responsible for it
1702 [13:46:25] <kreyren> any better way to manage multiboot?
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1705 [13:47:24] <blackflow> kreyren: yes by having one instance do
the config and management of grub.
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1707 [13:47:40] <blackflow> grub has os prober by default so it
should detect and confiugre all the systems properly
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1709 [13:48:28] <kreyren> os-prober generates corrupted grub that
doesn't work
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1711 [13:48:37] <kreyren> especially when custom kernel is used
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1714 [13:50:09] <blackflow> custom kernel is irrelevant here.
unless you named it in a pattern that grub doesnot recognize
1715 [13:50:35] <blackflow> kreyren: /etc/grub.d/10_linux lists
the patterns it checks against
1716 [13:50:52] <kreyren> why is it relevant?
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1718 [13:51:25] <blackflow> because grub doesn't care how the
kernel was configured, only where it is, so it can load it up
1719 [13:51:35] <blackflow> of course, if you misconfigured the
kernel then you can't boot but that's not grub's
problem
1720 [13:52:07] <kreyren> wait to make grub.d to generate grub.cfg
or ?
1721 [13:52:15] <kreyren> someone suggested it to me but i didnt
investigate yet
1722 [13:52:19] <blackflow> what?
1723 [13:52:56] <kreyren> like to make grub records for each
distro in grub.d or ?
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1726 [13:54:42] <blackflow> kreyren: I don't understand what
you're asking.
1727 [13:55:00] <kreyren> eh? or what did you meant with grub.d ?
1728 [13:55:42] <blackflow> well, /etc/grub.d/ contains scripts
used by grub2 to construct /boot/grub/grub.cfg
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1730 [13:56:21] <blackflow> 10_linux contains code trying to
autodetect the kernel and initramfs and there you can see the
patterns it tried. if you're using a custom kernel, grub
couldn't care less as long as it knows where to find the
kernel.
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1734 [13:56:58] <blackflow> so in conclusion, you have an XY
problem there. thinking custom kernel breaks grub.cfg so you need to
manually write it up, which you most like do not.
1735 [13:57:06] <blackflow> *likely
1736 [13:57:15] <kreyren> ah i though you meant /boot/grub.d
1737 [13:57:29] <kreyren> will check
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1740 [13:57:52] <kreyren> btw. reinstalled kernel and it's
not present in /usr/src?
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1742 [13:58:11] <kreyren> ah it installs it automatically after
reinstall i see
1743 [13:58:15] <blackflow> why would it. you asked in context of
"nuked /boot"
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1745 [13:58:41] <kreyren> i though i need to invoke `make install`
in kernel source, but this is sufficient too for my usecase
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1747 [13:59:07] <blackflow> you probably do need to `make install`
if you're building the kernel from source and aren't using
any of the debian packaging.
1748 [13:59:22] <xormor> otherwise 'make deb-pkg'
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1750 [14:00:00] <blackflow> btw, I must say... from all your
questions in the past several weeks, you seem to be treating Debian
as if it was Gentoo with binary packages. Don't do that.
you're just causing yourself endless problems and grief. you
cannot bend Debian out of shape to behave like Gentoo. Use gentoo if
you want gentoo specific patterns and functionality.
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1756 [14:01:03] <kreyren> well i was used to using debian sid with
custom kernel so thats what is it or ?
1757 [14:01:40] <blackflow> you can achieve "custom
kernel" by using the regular kernel src deb and modify it as
oyu like. then create a regular package that you apt install.
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1759 [14:02:11] <kreyren> i know but i just needed to make it
bootable again so reinstalling it is sufficient i didnt know it
installs the target in /boot
1760 [14:02:17] <blackflow> and don't forget initramfs
1761 [14:02:21] <kreyren> eh ?
1762 [14:02:22] <greycat> One does not "use" sid. One
tests Debian by running it and seeing what breaks.
1763 [14:02:32] <kreyren> used sid for 4 years
1764 [14:02:33] <kreyren> xD
1765 [14:02:48] <greycat> And how many unbootable Debian systems
have you had in that time? At least one.
1766 [14:03:00] <kreyren> +- everyday i liked it..
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1768 [14:03:59] <blackflow> kreyren: ideally modifying the regular
debian srcdeb for kernel you can only adjust the CONFIGs and any
patches but take advantage of all the functions that regular
packaging performs.
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1770 [14:05:02] <kreyren> noted i though that i need to take
compiled kernel from /usr/src and install it from there..
didn't realize that debian ships it precompiled o.o
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1773 [14:06:21] <blackflow> kreyren: not sure what you mean by
that, after 4 years of using debian... all the packages are
precompiled except DKMS that can't be due to licenses
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1776 [14:07:08] <kreyren> noted
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1936 [15:22:13] <jhutchins_wk> Did the main nagios packages have a
problem with their licensing or something?
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1938 [15:23:02] <colo-work> is there a way to convert an i386
installation into a proper amd64 installation somehow?
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1955 [15:29:49] <jhutchins_wk> colo-work: It's possible, but
it's clumsy and difficult and will probably not result in a
system you're happy with.
1956 [15:30:16] <blackflow> FullReinstall(tm)
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1974 [15:35:59] <jhutchins_wk> Hmn. Looks like the Debian
maintainer for nagios dropped out, and nobody picked up the ball.
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1977 [15:37:25] <colo-work> jhutchins_wk, is that documented
somehwere?
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1986 [15:41:07] <jhutchins_wk> colo-work: There are entries on the
mailing list. It looks like it wasn't maintained for about two
years, and looking at the nagios site it might not be available for
redistribution.
1987 [15:41:14] <Church-> For publishing repos with aptly if I
were to publish at say /opt/public on my local machine. Would I be
able to reach that at say IP:/public? Or IP:/opt/public/
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1989 [15:41:25] <jhutchins_wk> It's still under development,
but you have to register to download it.
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1991 [15:41:43] <Church-> Since I plan to have several
repositories living under /opt/
1992 [15:41:47] <colo-work> jhutchins_wk, I was not referring to
nagios, but to the franken-upgrade :)
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1996 [15:44:24] <jhutchins_wk> !crossgrade
1997 [15:45:03] <jhutchins_wk> dondelelcaro: dpkg is awol.
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2000 [15:45:37] <greycat> Probably taken out by the netsplit a few
minutes back.
2001 [15:45:45] <jhutchins_wk> colo-work:
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2003 [15:46:08] <colo-work> jhutchins_wk, thanks!
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2005 [15:46:33] <jhutchins_wk> colo-work: Much better to back up
your data and reinstall.
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2039 [16:04:24] <trysten> where did dpkg go?
2040 [16:05:11] <greycat> Taken out of the Great Netsplit of
Tuesday.
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2049 [16:07:17] <trysten> ba-derp. RTL, trysten
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2051 [16:07:25] <blackflow> we live in the age of
"serverless". dpkg should redundantly reconnect from
elsewhere.
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2058 [16:09:23] <ksk> everywhere!
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2061 [16:10:10] <trysten> I just miss dpkg so much :'c
2062 [16:10:20] <buttros_> Hello! Is netrunner os official debian
derivative?
2063 [16:10:28] <ksk> Did read an article the other day about some
debian developer quitting and saying debian toolchain is 1990 :/
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2065 [16:10:55] <ksk> buttros_: no. It might be based on debian?
Until now I did not know it..
2066 [16:10:57] <ksk> !based on debian
2067 [16:11:09] <ksk> eh, the bot is dead. I remember now :x
2068 [16:11:10] <mawk> no bot for you
2069 [16:11:15] <mawk> you're grounded
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2071 [16:11:22] <blackflow> haw!
2072 [16:11:29] <jelly> dpkg: welcome back
2073 [16:11:30] <dpkg> it's good to be home :)
2074 [16:11:31] <buttros_> ksk: Ok thanks!
2075 [16:11:34] <ksk> We support debian in here, not distros based
on debian. These distros might have changed many thins, we dont know
of.
2076 [16:11:36] <greycat> !netrunner
2077 [16:11:36] <dpkg> Netrunner is an operating system <based
on Debian> Testing. It is not supported in #debian.
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2079 [16:12:12] <buttros_> Ok thanks!
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2081 [16:12:23] <jelly> and some thicks too
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2121 [16:33:11] <soulseeker> I asked on oftc but no answer a
simple question, where is the iniottab on debian 8
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2123 [16:33:19] <soulseeker> inittab
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2125 [16:33:45] <soulseeker> jm_ hangs out in there and makes
comments
2126 [16:33:54] <soulseeker> mst3000 main man
2127 [16:34:07] <soulseeker> shadows on the screen babbling
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2129 [16:35:22] <jelly> soulseeker: there isn't one if
you're running with systemd
2130 [16:35:42] <jelly> soulseeker: what does "cat
/proc/1/comm" say?
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2132 [16:37:13] <soulseeker> jelly yeah systemd I need the screen
to autologin to root this is my main machine
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2134 [16:37:32] <soulseeker> I don't use root lockout touch
remotes
2135 [16:37:43] <jelly> the... screen?
2136 [16:37:45] <soulseeker> feel free to support my machine
2137 [16:37:46] <phazon> soulseeker: which "screen"?
2138 [16:37:46] <greycat> !autologin
2139 [16:37:47] <dpkg> If you want an insecure box that boots into
a session with your user. Xdm cannot do autologin but gdm and kdm
can if you really want them to. (But do you?) The <nodm>
package is a good way of automating this.
2140 [16:38:22] <soulseeker> no I use tty phazon
2141 [16:38:24] <jelly> do you want to have a terminal logged in
at a test virtual console?
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2143 [16:38:27] <jelly> text*
2144 [16:38:33] <soulseeker> getty green
2145 [16:38:37] <jelly> right
2146 [16:38:48] <soulseeker> youre evergreen
2147 [16:38:51] <jelly> what did you use to put in inittab?
2148 [16:38:57] <soulseeker> danskin in the dark
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2150 [16:39:11] <soulseeker> jelly -a root
2151 [16:39:12] <greycat> I hope jelly understands this guy
because as near as I can tell he's on drugs and babbling.
2152 [16:39:18] <jelly> please keep your lines to the tech issue
at hand
2153 [16:39:20] <soulseeker> at the end of the tty
2154 [16:39:44] <jelly> greycat: you don't speak drunkese?
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2156 [16:40:25] <greycat> Apparently not. So I take it he is
trying to say "Under sysvinit, I modified the tty1 getty line
in /etc/inittab and added '-a root' to it."
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2159 [16:40:56] <soulseeker> ususally it is in the inittab but
then it was moved
2160 [16:41:18] <soulseeker> moved to init folderes and now gone
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2162 [16:41:37] <greycat>
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2165 [16:42:05] <soulseeker> greycat what does it say this
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2168 [16:42:24] <greycat> This tells you how to modify the getty
for tty1 under systemd.
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2170 [16:42:47] <soulseeker> is it running getty green
2171 [16:43:00] <greycat> I do not understand what you are saying.
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2173 [16:43:03] <soulseeker> what does systemd do hide everything
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2175 [16:43:46] <soulseeker> hey seekr can you login to my machine
for a user account
2176 [16:43:52] <greycat> If you prefer to change from systemd
back to sysvinit, we can also tell you how to do that in Debian 9,
but I don't think it's supported in Debian 8.
2177 [16:43:53] <phazon> it doesnt; functionality is just in
different places, and managed different ways
2178 [16:44:09] <soulseeker> greycat: sure
2179 [16:44:18] <soulseeker> can it be upgraded?
2180 [16:44:35] <greycat> dpkg, jessie->stretch
2181 [16:44:35] <dpkg> Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of
the <release notes>
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2183 [16:44:41] <soulseeker> I can copy the root over to another
partition and upgrade
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2185 [16:44:51] <greycat> !stretch sysvinit
2186 [16:44:51] <dpkg> To replace systemd with sysvinit in
stretch, simply "apt-get install sysvinit-core" and
reboot. To switch from systemd to runit in buster or sid,
"apt-get install runit-systemd", reboot, "apt-get
install runit-init", and reboot again.
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2188 [16:45:15] <greycat> Learning systemd may be something you
have to do eventually, though.
2189 [16:45:28] <soulseeker> I used it on fedora
2190 [16:45:42] <soulseeker> I need a purpose for these things
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2192 [16:45:58] <soulseeker> doing something a different way for
nothing doesnt appeal
2193 [16:46:13] <seekr> soulseeker: Why do I need an account on
your machine?
2194 [16:46:25] <soulseeker> if I were making a touch remote fine
2195 [16:46:39] <soulseeker> but like derRichards says I want my
laptop open for me
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2197 [16:47:03] <idlemind> soulseeker - i'd get it working in
systemd unless you intend on using slackware going forward. pretty
much everything is heading towards systemd
2198 [16:47:21] <greycat> I don't know how much longer Debian
will continue to (nominally) support sysvinit alongside systemd. I
assume it won't last forever.
2199 [16:48:20] <soulseeker> what needs to be done to upgrade to 9
2200 [16:48:33] <idlemind> like debian 8 -> 9?
2201 [16:48:34] <greycat> Read what the bot said in response to
"jessie->stretch"
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2206 [16:49:36] <soulseeker> how about gcc 4.1
2207 [16:49:42] <soulseeker> is that a custom job
2208 [16:49:49] <greycat> ,v gcc
2209 [16:49:50] <judd> Package: gcc on amd64 -- wheezy: 4:4.7.2-1;
jessie: 4:4.9.2-2; stretch: 4:6.3.0-4; sid: 4:8.2.0-2; buster:
4:8.3.0-1
2210 [16:49:58] <greycat> gcc 4.1 is older than wheezy
2211 [16:50:14] <soulseeker> yeah does it need a manuel install
2212 [16:50:23] <greycat> I don't feel like trying to trawl
through the archives of history to figure out how old it is or which
version of Debian had it.
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2216 [16:51:41] <jelly> why the f...reak would you need gcc 4.1
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2218 [16:52:14] <greycat> I'm wondering that too. Do you need
"4.1 or older" or do you need "4.1 or newer"?
2219 [16:52:24] <phazon> idlemind: alienBOB will likely add
support for systemd to slackware eventually as well; just a matter
of being a small team implementing it all
2220 [16:52:42] <idlemind> phazon nice - i'm on the systemd
train
2221 [16:52:47] <greycat> One possible theory is that at some
point, say 6-10 years ago, you needed 4.1 because it was
bleeding-edge new at the time.
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2224 [16:53:07] <greycat> So you had to build this shiny new gcc
4.1 from source because Debian didn't have it yet.
2225 [16:53:18] <greycat> But there are other theories as well....
2226 [16:54:35] <soulseeker> unknown operation 'edit'
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2237 [16:59:16] <Lope> I thought I might be able to install debian
straight onto an ext4 filesystem, that is on a block device attached
to my VM. But it doesn't seem possible with the installer.
2238 [16:59:24] <Lope> I guess I'll need to debootstrap it.
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2242 [17:00:14] <greycat> that is what debootstrap is for
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2245 [17:01:44] <soulseeker> because systemd doesnt show getty
stubs in the configs it is not sure if it is even using getty
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2247 [17:02:22] <rocketmagnet> hi everyone, how to install the
build dependencies for libclang ?
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2249 [17:02:41] <rocketmagnet> and what is libPolly ?
2250 [17:02:54] <rocketmagnet> i want to build llvm and need the
dependencies
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2252 [17:03:48] <greycat> ,v llvm
2253 [17:03:50] <judd> Package: llvm on amd64 -- wheezy:
1:3.0-14+nmu2; jessie: 1:3.5-25; stretch: 1:3.8-36; buster:
1:7.0-47; sid: 1:7.0-47
2254 [17:04:12] <greycat> ,checkbackport llvm
2255 [17:04:13] <judd> Backporting package llvm in
sid→stretch/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using
stretch.
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2257 [17:04:17] <greycat> O_o
2258 [17:04:33] <greycat> That actually surprises me.
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2280 [17:11:53] <rocketmagnet> i get the error: /usr/bin/ld:
cannot find -lPolly
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2282 [17:12:12] <jelly> wanna bet that's a tiny metapackage
with a separate source, greycat
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2285 [17:12:32] <jelly> rocketmagnet: doing what?
2286 [17:12:46] <rocketmagnet> try to compile llvm and clang
2287 [17:13:00] <rocketmagnet> cmake
-DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE:String=Release
-DLLVM_ENABLE_PROJECTS:String="llvm,clang,lli" ../llvm
2288 [17:13:02] <jelly> rocketmagnet: if it's a build error,
show the whole output and look at the _first_ error that happens,
not the last
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2295 [17:14:25] <jelly> ,checkbackport llvm-7.0
2296 [17:14:26] <judd> No package named 'llvm-7.0' was
found in sid/amd64.
2297 [17:14:44] <jelly> ,checkbackport llvm-7
2298 [17:14:46] <judd> Backporting package llvm-7 in
sid→stretch/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using
stretch.
2299 [17:14:55] <jelly> wow, okay
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2302 [17:15:15] <rocketmagnet> jelly:
replaced-url
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2304 [17:16:02] <jelly> !localized errors
2305 [17:16:03] <dpkg> To provide command output in English
instead of your native language, set your locale to an English one
(e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. "LC_ALL=C apt-get
-f install".
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2307 [17:17:09] <jelly> rocketmagnet: given the ll in the name,
sounds like something that supposed to get built along with llvm
2308 [17:17:09] <rocketmagnet>
replaced-url
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2310 [17:17:56] <jelly> that's a different output, and not
just because of the language
2311 [17:18:19] <vlt> Hello. What is the new equivalent to
"ifup eth1" on Debian 9? I added that device to a bridge
but don't know how to activate it.
2312 [17:18:19] <rocketmagnet> the last pastebin was not correct
2313 [17:19:01] <jelly> vlt: you don't activate eth1 then,
you just activate the bridge
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2316 [17:19:36] <jelly> vlt: what's your bridge config look
like?
2317 [17:20:19] <vlt> jelly: The bridge is active and has an IP
address. Defined in /etc/network/interfaces with a line
"bridge_ports eth0".
2318 [17:20:35] <vlt> I manually added eth1: "brctl add
..."
2319 [17:21:33] <jelly> vlt: if you want to bring eth1 link up
manually, use ip or ifconfig, not ifup. "ip link set dev eth1
up"
2320 [17:21:50] <vlt> jelly: Thank you!
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2325 [17:22:33] <jelly> vlt: if you want to do it via ifupdown,
bring brWhatever down with ifdown, add eth1 to bridge_ports, then
ifup brWhatever
2326 [17:23:08] <rocketmagnet> wherer do i find libPolly ? or
search for it
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2328 [17:23:33] <jelly> rocketmagnet: I suspect that's part
of llvm build process
2329 [17:23:44] <jelly> judd: file libPolly.*
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2331 [17:23:48] <judd> No packages in stretch/amd64 were found
with that file.
2332 [17:23:49] <ksk> rocketmagnet: it does not seem to be
packaged for debian as far as I can tell.
2333 [17:23:52] <greycat> rocketmagnet: judd said a backport of
buster source to stretch is possible. So just do that.
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2335 [17:24:19] <jelly> rocketmagnet: ask in a llvm related
support channel, maybe?
2336 [17:24:19] <rocketmagnet> how to install a backport ?
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2340 [17:24:56] <greycat> No, the question is how to MAKE a
backport.
2341 [17:24:58] <greycat> !simple sid backport
2342 [17:24:58] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on
<debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for
sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable
debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude
install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b
source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change
compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions
newer than sid see <uupdate>.
2343 [17:25:06] <greycat> INSTALLING one would be a lot simpler,
but there isn't one.
2344 [17:25:11] <greycat> But judd said that MAKING one is
possible.
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2354 [17:28:25] <rocketmagnet> i've added backports for sid,
but what package do i have to install ?
2355 [17:28:28] <rocketmagnet> greycat: ^
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2358 [17:28:35] <rocketmagnet> or how to make one
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2360 [17:28:57] <greycat> Read the bot's instructions.
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2362 [17:29:34] <rocketmagnet> i'm doing it atm
2363 [17:29:35] <rocketmagnet> ty
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2365 [17:29:59] <jelly> so nice of llvm to be reasonably
self-contained
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2375 [17:36:50] <rocketmagnet> thank you guys
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2400 [17:51:59] <Lope> geez the netinst ISO is ULTRA barebones. It
doesn't even have a terminal with bash and grub-install
2401 [17:52:10] <Lope> A bit extreme in my opinion.
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2406 [17:55:42] <rant> Lope: the netinst has over 50,000
packages.. when you connect to the NET to INSTALL it
2407 [17:56:04] <greycat> I assume he's talking about
utilizing the installer as a rescue medium.
2408 [17:56:22] <greycat> It is indeed short on tools for that.
2409 [17:56:29] <rant> for that you don't need bash or
grub-install you chroot into the running system
2410 [17:56:56] <greycat> ... because it assumes that there will
BE a chroot-into-able "running" system to lean on.
2411 [17:58:29] <Lope> greycat, oh, 1337, never thought of that :)
2412 [17:58:29] <jhutchins_wk> rocketmagnet: Possibly releveant:
replaced-url
2413 [17:58:30] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
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2415 [17:58:58] <Lope> well, my particular use case I
debootstrapped, and now I wanted to install grub
2416 [17:59:00] <jhutchins_wk> Ah, I see you get pointed in the
right direction.
2417 [18:00:17] <rant> Lope: chroot into the system and apt-get
install grub-pc or w/e
2418 [18:00:39] <Lope> yeah, i didn't think of the chroot
trick
2419 [18:01:11] <Lope> I'm used to doing rescues on live CDs,
so I downloaded a 1.8GB XFCE live ISO, lol.
2420 [18:01:25] <Lope> it's okay, it's on a 100mbit
connection with 2tb of unused bandwidth
2421 [18:01:28] <Lope> So no biggie.
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2426 [18:03:27] <greycat> !fixmbr
2427 [18:03:27] <dpkg> To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your
Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2),
mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ;
mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ;
mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target),
run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub
&& grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue
mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
2428 [18:03:31] <Lope> grub failed to install to the following
devices: /dev/vda Writing grub to boot device failed, continue?
2429 [18:03:37] <Lope> lol? how do you continue from that?
2430 [18:03:55] <Lope> any idea why it can't write to my
/dev/vda?
2431 [18:04:15] <greycat> Did you remember to do the bind mount of
/dev before?
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2433 [18:04:41] <Lope> oh, i didn't chroot, i just installed
grub from apt and now it's got the whole grub-install going
automagically.
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2436 [18:05:09] <Lope> okay, i see I was doing it wrong
2437 [18:05:09] <greycat> Oh, you're still in this
"Live" thing?
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2439 [18:05:19] <Lope> I should install grub inside the chroot
2440 [18:05:29] <Lope> I've not done this in a year or 2,
rusty :)
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2457 [18:09:46] <Lope> Same error??
2458 [18:09:47] <Lope> Weird
2459 [18:09:56] <Lope> failed to write to /dev/vda
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2483 [18:18:04] <Lope> grub-install: warning: File system `ext2`
doesn't support embedding.
2484 [18:18:17] <Lope> Error: embedding is not possible, but this
is required for cross-disk install.
2485 [18:18:28] <Lope> I've never heard of this crap
2486 [18:18:38] <Lope> I've JUST reformatted vda as ext4
2487 [18:18:41] <Lope> Not ext2
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2491 [18:21:04] <Lope> oh, maybe it's because I've got
ext4 on /vda and it wants a partition table DOH!
2492 [18:22:29] <Lope> weeee, it worked
2493 [18:22:37] <Lope> Weird freakin error, lol.
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2495 [18:23:55] <Lope> aaaah, crap
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2497 [18:24:02] <Lope> now it booted into a grub shell.
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2499 [18:24:27] <Lope> hmm, maybe I should have mounted grub at
/boot or something
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2501 [18:24:54] <rant> this is a fine example of why you should
use a partition table
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2504 [18:25:21] <rant> if you had a filesystem on /dev/vda and
just installed grub to /dev/vda you probably just hosed your
filesystem
2505 [18:25:42] <Lope> This is what I'm doing, which is a bit
freaky.
2506 [18:26:22] <Lope> Ah, I'll brb. But in a nutshell, vdb
is formatted as ext4 with my root fs.
2507 [18:26:23] <greycat> If /dev/vda (what even *is* that) is
supposed to be bootable, then you MUST use a disklabel (partition
table) so there's room before the first partition for the boot
loader.
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2509 [18:26:49] <Lope> and I've got a MBR partition table on
vda, and want grub on that
2510 [18:27:16] <Lope> vda is disposable, I'm running this on
a VM, vdb is really an LVM volume, to later be booted on bare metal.
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2512 [18:28:34] <Lope> greycat, you're 100% right. I was
being dumb but corrected it.
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2515 [18:29:01] <Lope> So I've got a MBR partition table. and
vda1 is ext4.
2516 [18:29:07] <Lope> I'm gonna see what happened now.
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2518 [18:31:13] <Lope> okay, so there's a grub dir inside
/boot which is currently on vdb, so I'm going to move that to
vda1
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2520 [18:31:19] <Lope> Going to see what's on vda1
2521 [18:31:56] <Lope> haha, vda1 is empty.
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2525 [18:32:35] <Lope> after debootstrapping do I have to do
anything to finish the process?
2526 [18:32:39] <Lope> my /etc/fstab is empty
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2533 [18:35:02] <Lope> okay I've created an fstab file now
with / and /boot
2534 [18:35:15] <Lope> I'm going to reinstall grub for good
measure.
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2538 [18:36:50] <Lope> hmm, I'm looking at
/boot/grub/grub.cfg but my debian install isn't int here :/
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2543 [18:38:43] <Lope> what am I missing?
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2545 [18:39:11] <greycat> update-grub generates the grub.cfg by
running little scripts in /etc/grub.d/
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2548 [18:41:00] <Lope> here's a rehash of my setup. KVM VM
with vda and vdb. vda1 is ext4 mounted in /etc/fstab as /boot. vdb
is ext4 with the root filesystem on it. I've chrooted into vdb
and run `grub-install /dev/vda && update-grub` successfully.
But there's no debian option in /boot/grub/grub.cfg just floppy
and default crap like that.
2549 [18:41:59] <greycat> A boot loader on device A that is
supposed to read its menu from device B is definitely outside my
experience.
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2554 [18:45:23] <Lope> no, that's not the case
2555 [18:45:36] <Lope> grub is on vda, and /boot is on /vda1
2556 [18:45:49] <Lope> / is on vdb
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2558 [18:45:59] <greycat> But you just said your DEBIAN install is
on vdb. And before that you said vda1 was empty.
2559 [18:46:11] <Lope> yeah, vda1 WAS empty
2560 [18:46:17] <Lope> I debootstrapped onto vdb
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2562 [18:46:37] <Lope> so I moved everything from /vdb's
/boot into vda1
2563 [18:46:41] <Lope> then mounted vda1 as /boot
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2565 [18:47:21] <Lope> so it's a relatively normalish setup,
the only unusual thing is perhaps os-prober isn't looking for
an ext4 formatted block device with debian on it?
2566 [18:47:39] <Lope> vdb doesn't have a partition table.
it's ext4
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2568 [18:48:29] <greycat> I suppose you could write your own
custom /etc/grub.d/ script-let-thing.
2569 [18:48:29] <Lope> The reason for doing it this way, is
because the underlying storage of vdb is an LVM volume, which will
become my baremetal root OS
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2571 [18:48:52] <Lope> But isn't grub and os-prober capable
of detecting the OS?
2572 [18:48:58] <Lope> I mean the os is mounted at /
2573 [18:49:03] <Lope> shouldn't be that hard?
2574 [18:49:04] <greycat> I have absolutely no idea.
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2592 [19:00:07] <rocketmagnet> hi everyone, i've a stange
problem, when the screensave goes on and i want to reactivate it and
have to enter my pw - it's not recognized, i've to go to
"switch user" and then login
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2628 [19:12:40] <Lope> why is my debootstrapped debian missing a
kernel?
2629 [19:12:51] <Lope> maybe that's why grub doesn't add
an entry, lol
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2639 [19:19:19] <Lope> oh, I see I think I need to run debootstrap
--second-stage
2640 [19:19:36] <Lope> but when I try run it it says
/usr/share/debootstrap/suite: no such file or directory
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2679 [19:33:52] <Lope> my debootstrapped debian has no linux-image
package installed
2680 [19:33:59] <Lope> that's why there is no kernel, lol
2681 [19:34:35] <greycat> A rather large number of debootstrap
"installations" are not intended to be booted directly.
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2683 [19:34:53] <Lope> greycat, yeah, it's not a criticism of
debootstrap
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2685 [19:34:59] <Guest8751> hey is there any way to revert the
system back to a minimum package set
2686 [19:35:03] <Lope> I've created containers with
debootstrap before
2687 [19:35:12] <greycat> Guest8751: Sure... reinstall from
scratch.
2688 [19:35:40] <Lope> so it seems that debootstrap has done away
with needing to run --second-stage when chrooted inside the rootfs?
2689 [19:35:53] <Guest8751> greycat: yeah that can be done but
there was some package in ubuntu which caused everything to be
remeved
2690 [19:36:13] <Guest8751> is there something like that with
debian aptitude
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2692 [19:36:20] <Guest8751> say a virtual package
2693 [19:36:21] <greycat> I ... I won't even ask why they
felt a need to make such a thing.
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2695 [19:37:02] <Guest8751> greycat: it was not meant to be but
somnebody put it there to update the code to the trash it is now I
take it
2696 [19:37:15] <Guest8751> a hack in the dependency tree
2697 [19:38:20] <Guest8751> greycat: before reinstalling from
scratch if theres something I can do to remove most everything and
then do a debian9 upgrade for system V
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2701 [19:38:49] <n4dir> you could remove xorg, and hopefully by
that will get rid of most gui stuff.
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2703 [19:39:11] <n4dir> but in general: no, there is no clean way
to do such, at least i never heard of it, though the question came
up now and then
2704 [19:39:14] <greycat> Why do you think you have to get rid of
stuff before an upgrade?
2705 [19:39:16] <Guest8751> n4dir: is there something which does a
dependency resolution
2706 [19:39:23] <Lope> okay, thank goodness, grub found the kernel
and initrd
2707 [19:39:26] <greycat> Guest8751: apt-get -f install
2708 [19:39:35] <n4dir> better stick to greycat , he is way
smarter than me.
2709 [19:39:39] <greycat> And now I think we can guess the real
problem
2710 [19:39:43] <greycat> !frankendebian
2711 [19:39:50] <greycat> ... FUCK, bot's gone again.
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2713 [19:40:05] <greycat>
replaced-url
2714 [19:40:46] <Lope> it's alive! It's alive muahahaha
(demented laughter)
2715 [19:41:16] <Guest8751> greycat: do you know the password for
the live boot on the live cd debian 8
2716 [19:41:25] <greycat> !live password
2717 [19:41:28] <greycat> Damn.
2718 [19:41:29] <Guest8751> it boots to a blank console login
2719 [19:41:33] <Lope> user live
2720 [19:41:35] <greycat> !listkeys live
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2722 [19:41:59] <Lope> user user password live
2723 [19:42:08] <Guest8751> 9ok
2724 [19:42:11] <Lope> I just had that issue
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2726 [19:42:26] <Guest8751> going for a reinstall then
2727 [19:42:27] <Lope> Freakin annoying how it locks after idle
and then you're expected to enter that
2728 [19:42:48] <greycat> Poor bot's still sick, I think.
2729 [19:42:54] <Guest8751> it is likely quicker
2730 [19:42:55] <Lope> aaah, my install tanked. failed to mount
/boot
2731 [19:42:59] <tmroland> can i install gnome 3.32 rc from debian
experimental to debian unstable ?
2732 [19:43:11] <greycat> *plonk*
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2737 [19:45:09] <Lope> okay, i had a typo. vda instead of vda1 to
mount /boot in etc/fstab
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2739 [19:46:17] <Lope> dang, forgot to set a password in the
chrooted system.
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2741 [19:46:27] <rant> heh
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2743 [19:46:55] <rant> there are a lot of little things that are
easy to forget to do when doing a debootstrap install
2744 [19:47:19] <Lope> my debian VM is at the login prompt
it's ignoring my acpi shutdown
2745 [19:47:31] <rant> debootstrap isnt really meant to install a
normal complete bootable system, but more a chroot
2746 [19:47:35] <Lope> Do I have to destroy or can I tell it that
it must not ignore me?
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2748 [19:48:23] <n4dir> i agree with rant. while it adds quite
some work, i fail to see the advantage of a debootstrap
installation.
2749 [19:48:32] <rant> shutdown commands are handled ultimately by
init, if there is no init.. i.e. bypassed with something like
init=/bin/bash they won't work
2750 [19:49:00] <rant> there is a way to shut down a system with
sysrq via the kernel that may or may not work in this situation
2751 [19:49:11] <blackflow> sometimes debootstrap is the only way
to install debian.
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2754 [19:49:44] <Lope> it works it works
2755 [19:49:46] <Lope> Gonna eat
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2757 [19:49:51] <rant> I use it at times to install to a hdd from
a running debian system without having to tie up my hw doing a
normal install.. but its a bit of a pain
2758 [19:50:12] <Lope> n4dir, it's not that it's an
advantage vs a normal install, if a normal install can do it.
2759 [19:50:15] <blackflow> it's pretty straightforward in my
experience, but you have to know which packages to install
2760 [19:50:18] <rant> I tried once to install via USB from
virtualbox but that didnt go well
2761 [19:50:20] <Lope> But it's doable when a normal install
is not.
2762 [19:50:30] <blackflow> root on ZFS on LUKS for example,
debootstrap is the only way
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2764 [19:50:55] <Lope> blackflow, yeah it's actually easy.
I've done it many times. I just haven't done it for a real
grub bootable system before. (maybe once only)
2765 [19:50:58] <n4dir> i didn't put it clearly. i only
wanted to confirm that it is easy to oversee something, and hence it
can happen, is no drama.
2766 [19:51:01] <Lope> My notes were a little lacking.
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2768 [19:51:39] <blackflow> this is where gentoo experience pays
off :)
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2802 [20:07:38] <jelly> wtf
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2806 [20:09:50] <areyouloco> !dpkg gentoo
2807 [20:10:17] <greycat> is gone.
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2811 [20:12:25] <jelly> and dselect did not join because race
conditions and slow services
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2825 [20:16:14] <jelly> dselect: welcome back
2826 [20:16:14] <dselect> it's good to be home :)
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2832 [20:18:50] <jelly> %gentoo
2833 [20:18:51] <dselect> Gentoo Linux (formerly Enoch Linux) is a
ports-based Linux distribution for x86, PowerPC and Sparc64. Maybe
akin to BSD. For a satirical take on it see
replaced-url
2834 [20:20:19] <A|an> What accounts for the keyboard being dead
after the machine is reactivated from overnight suspend?
2835 [20:20:54] <jelly> issues with usb host or usb device drivers
2836 [20:21:21] <A|an> a bios thing, then?
2837 [20:21:22] <jelly> A|an: did you try unplugging it and
plugging it back in?
2838 [20:21:40] <A|an> Jelly: yes; didn't help...had to
reboot
2839 [20:22:16] <jelly> possibly a bios thing, but linux kernels
can and do keep workarounds for various firmware quirks
2840 [20:22:19] <A|an> the power (I have a back lit keyboard) to
the keyboard did come back on after unplug/replug
2841 [20:22:32] <n4dir> and i thought the joke was bout pointing
him to the filemanager gentoo ...
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2843 [20:23:26] <jelly> we could probably do without those 15+
years old "jokes"
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2846 [20:25:43] <A|an> There is mention made of this problem
associated with laptops...if I post a link will the floor collapse
and the ceiling fly away?
2847 [20:26:12] <A|an> It aludes to a kernel bug
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2849 [20:26:32] <A|an> with one l
2850 [20:26:45] <A|an>
replaced-url
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2852 [20:27:15] <A|an>
replaced-url
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2854 [20:27:55] <A|an> Has anyone else had this happened, dead
keyboard after suspend?
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2856 [20:28:49] <A|an> My motherboard is an Ausus Z270
2857 [20:29:13] <A|an> asus
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2861 [20:31:06] <Old_Dog> A|an: I just saw in the setup of a
laptop I was working on that it had a setting for whether to let usb
ports wake a computer or not.
2862 [20:31:22] <A|an> ah!
2863 [20:31:26] <Old_Dog> if the keyboard is usb, that could be
your problem
2864 [20:31:32] <A|an> it is
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2866 [20:31:39] <A|an> great
2867 [20:31:48] <A|an> I love thorny problems
2868 [20:32:13] * Old_Dog pats himself on the back
2869 [20:32:41] <Old_Dog> and sprains a shoulder joint in the
process. ouch
2870 [20:32:58] <A|an> so...check the bios, i guess
2871 [20:33:09] <A|an> ok, thanks
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2946 [21:12:58] <uio> Hi - I am having some troubles with unison :
all was working just fine syncing between my computer and a usb.
Then I tried to use unison to sync the same files on my computer to
another usb. During the sync process I accidently changed a file on
the computer, which caused the sync to stop. Now unison won't
detect that the sync is incomplete with the second usb. More serious
is the fact that now the sync with the first usb has issues. Uni
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2949 [21:14:25] <uio> ... that there are missing directories on my
computer, while there aren't. Any help would be most welcome!
This files are very important and I am using Unison to sync to a
second usb to avoid data loss, but I fear that, as has already
happened before, something go wrong with the backup process and
cause me more damage than help. Any advice??
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2953 [21:15:16] <uio> Could the problem be somehow (but I reall
don't know how..) related to the fact that I named both usbs
with the same name and ued the same Unison profile for the sync?
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2964 [21:20:52] <uio> I just tried syncing again and unison is
just not detecting files that are on my computer and that I am able
to access.... what might be going on??
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3010 [21:45:55] <Descriptioned> problemmm houston no sound over
hdmi.. ive tried all possible solutions..
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3012 [21:46:45] <independent> /server -m fe80::101c:2e76:6d2f:817f
+6697 -j #Unix
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3020 [21:51:48] <towo`> Descriptioned, But you don't expect
any help, you just wanted to share?
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3022 [21:52:25] <towo`> because otherwise you would tell us
relevant infos
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3026 [21:54:13] <uio> Any thoughts on my Unison sync issue?
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3028 [21:55:09] <uio> It keeps telling me that there are new
directories and so on. I checked manaually and all is up to date...
Why can't unison detect this?
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3032 [21:57:00] <uio> Okay, if no one can help, what do you use
for regular computer to usb syncing?
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3042 [21:59:37] <uio> I just don't get it, I checked both
sync files and they both have the exact same number of files. And
the size is only off by 0,1MB. Is unison broken?
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3044 [22:00:10] <Descriptioned> towo` :
replaced-url
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3048 [22:01:04] <uio> Descriptioned: Bravo for taking a sarcastic
comment so well!
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3055 [22:01:52] <Descriptioned> :)
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3058 [22:03:07] <uio> Does Unison have some sort of cached view
that prevents it from actually checking to see if the files and dirs
are there?
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3070 [22:09:17] <Descriptioned> uio any solution ? pavucontrol etc
not working
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3074 [22:11:10] <uio> Descriptioned: Sorry, I know almost nothing!
And its too bad, but it looks pretty dead here tonight. Good luck!
3075 [22:11:23] <uio> The sync went through and now there are
issues.
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3077 [22:11:45] <uio> Way too many files on the computer now, as
if it duplicated ones from the usb.
3078 [22:11:51] <uio> No ideas anyone?
3079 [22:12:29] <rant> uio: I use cp or rsync
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3084 [22:14:28] <uio> rant: Okay, yeah, I needed bidirectional
syncing. And I gui, because I lost work messing around with rsync.
I'm going to restart, because the issue seems to be a bunch of
.unison.tmp files that are filing things up as kind of ghost
duplicates.
3085 [22:15:02] <uio> I have all of these hidden dirs all of the
sudden which correspond to dirs that were already there.
3086 [22:15:42] <uio> Pro tip : stay away from unison. Or at least
don't use the same profile with multiple usbs. It can't
handle it!
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3088 [22:15:54] <uio> Be right back if I still have issues.
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3102 [22:26:03] <uio> I'm back, so a restart did nothing. Why
did Unison dump all these hidden unison.tmp files where there were
already the right files?
3103 [22:26:20] <uio> This is really worrisome. Could this be a
bug?
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3105 [22:26:37] <phogg> uio: what's in those files?
3106 [22:26:42] <uio> Can I make unison remove these random files
like it should?
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3109 [22:27:50] <SerajewelKS> uio: what is your setup trying to
accomplish?
3110 [22:27:55] <SerajewelKS> unison may not even be the right
tool
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3112 [22:28:53] <uio> phogg: Unison thought that the computer dir
was missing some dirs that were in the usb dir. I manually checked
and nothing was missing. But it insisted on syncing. Once it synced,
all it did was create these hidden files which correspond to the
'missing' files. Which contain copies of what was already
there. So the computer dir now has doubles.
3113 [22:29:11] <uio> SerajewelKS: I have a usb and a computer
that I wanted to be able to sync birectionally.
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3116 [22:29:30] <uio> SerajewelKS: All was working beautifully
until I tried to sync a second usb with the same unison profile.
3117 [22:29:44] <uio> SerajewelKS: Then unison freaked out and now
so am I.
3118 [22:30:51] <SerajewelKS> uio: unison doesn't understand
more than two ends of a sync
3119 [22:30:55] <SerajewelKS> so yeah, that would bork it
3120 [22:31:17] <SerajewelKS> it has no setup for working with one
sync profile against three targets
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3122 [22:31:37] <uio> SerajewelKS: But I named the usbs the same
way.
3123 [22:31:49] <SerajewelKS> yes. that almost certainly made
things worse, not better.
3124 [22:32:04] <uio> SerajewelKS: Now I just wanted to get it
back to working like before and figure out what these hidden files
are doing there.
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3126 [22:32:14] <SerajewelKS> those are probably conflict files
3127 [22:32:15] <uio> SerajewelKS: Is it safe just to delete
them??
3128 [22:32:34] <uio> SerajewelKS: That are replicas of all the
supposedly missing files??
3129 [22:32:38] <SerajewelKS> maybe, maybe not
3130 [22:32:46] <SerajewelKS> do you have a backup of a good state
of this directory?
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3133 [22:33:23] <uio> SerajewelKS: Well, the usb.
3134 [22:33:36] <SerajewelKS> having them be named the same and
share the same profile means that once unison makes device A match
your computer, and you have it operate against device B, it thinks
device B _is_ device A and is expecting to see all of the same stuff
that it just synced, but it doesn't.
3135 [22:33:49] <SerajewelKS> you need a separate profile to sync
device B
3136 [22:33:51] <uio> SerajewelKS: It seems like I can back up the
usb to two computers though....
3137 [22:34:00] <uio> SerajewelKS: Okay.
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3140 [22:34:13] <SerajewelKS> you can make three-way sync appear
to happen by using multiple two-way syncs
3141 [22:34:20] <uio> SerajewelKS: But why couldn't unison
see that all the files were there?
3142 [22:34:29] <SerajewelKS> but you can't reuse the same
two-way sync profile on another device, that messes it all up
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3144 [22:34:51] <SerajewelKS> what unison could see or could not
see is not relevant
3145 [22:35:20] <SerajewelKS> unison made an assumption that
device A is always device A but you make it so that device A is
sometimes a totally different device B
3146 [22:35:36] <uio> SerajewelKS: So if I get you, I can sync
comp1 and usb1 and then usb1 and comp2, but not usb1 and comp1 and
then usb2 and comp1?
3147 [22:35:39] <SerajewelKS> the assumption was violated and now
unison can do whatever it wants, which could include things you
don't want it to do
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3149 [22:36:12] <SerajewelKS> uio: you can perform all of those
syncs
3150 [22:36:15] <uio> SerajewelKS: So the solution is just use
different profiles for different usbs even if the comp directory to
sync is exactly the same.
3151 [22:36:15] <SerajewelKS> but not as the same profile
3152 [22:36:24] <SerajewelKS> use a different profile for each
PAIR of devices
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3154 [22:36:53] <uio> SerajewelKS: Okay. That's clear for me
now. Thanks. But, the question is, can I get rid of these hidden
files, and why were they even created in the first place??
3155 [22:36:53] <SerajewelKS> comp1 <-> usb1 is a profile,
comp1 <-> usb2 is a profile, comp2 <-> usb1 is a
profile, comp2 <-> usb2 is a profile
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3158 [22:37:35] <SerajewelKS> the safest thing for you to do now
is decide which directory is the correct view. delete all of the
temp files in that directory. delete all unison profiles. recreate
the profiles and let things sync from the known-good directory.
3159 [22:37:39] <uio> SerajewelKS: Okay, because comp1 and comp2
actually store information about the usb device
3160 [22:37:53] <SerajewelKS> but TAKE A BACKUP of whatever the
"good" directory is before you do ANYTHING
3161 [22:38:06] <uio> SerajewelKS: Okay. Seems like good advice.
3162 [22:38:12] <SerajewelKS> ideally you should be taking backups
of this stuff already if it's important data
3163 [22:38:23] <SerajewelKS> (no, your two USB sticks and the
other computer do not count as backups)
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3166 [22:38:40] <uio> SerajewelKS: Yes, actually this whole issue
came about because I was trying to backup the data on usbs.
3167 [22:38:46] <uio> SerajewelKS: How is that not a backup??
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3169 [22:38:51] <SerajewelKS> synchronization is not backup
3170 [22:38:59] <uio> SerajewelKS: Okay....
3171 [22:39:08] <uio> SerajewelKS: Why not?
3172 [22:39:14] <SerajewelKS> any oopses you make will be
synchronized if you don't notice them
3173 [22:39:24] <SerajewelKS> at the point you notice them, it may
be too late
3174 [22:39:29] <uio> SerajewelKS: Are backups huge then?
3175 [22:39:35] <SerajewelKS> not if they properly deduplicate
3176 [22:39:45] <SerajewelKS> take a look at restic (use the
github version; the debian stable version is way old)
3177 [22:40:30] <uio> SerajewelKS: Old is fine for me, is the repo
version a real problem?
3178 [22:40:33] <SerajewelKS> we use this in production on our
servers and have months of backups in a 200GB repository. the
"unpacked" size of each backup is multiple TBs.
3179 [22:40:53] <SerajewelKS> ,v restic
3180 [22:40:54] <judd> Package: restic on amd64 -- stretch:
0.3.3-1+b2; sid: 0.9.4+ds-1; buster: 0.9.4+ds-2
3181 [22:41:03] <SerajewelKS> 0.3.3 vs 0.9.4
3182 [22:41:30] <SerajewelKS> yes, the stretch version is missing
several key fixes and performance improvements
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3184 [22:41:46] <uio> SerajewelKS: If I just hang onto the hiden
files for now, there are no risks, non?
3185 [22:41:52] <SerajewelKS> the github releases are statically
linked. you can just dump the download in /usr/local/bin
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3187 [22:42:07] <SerajewelKS> uio: i don't know. unison might
be confused by them when you recreate the profiles and sync.
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3189 [22:43:20] <SerajewelKS> you could also backport the package
from buster
3190 [22:43:30] <antto> ,v codeblocks
3191 [22:43:31] <judd> Package: codeblocks on amd64 -- wheezy:
10.05-2.1; jessie-backports: 16.01+dfsg-2~bpo8+1; stretch:
16.01+dfsg-2+b1; buster: 16.01+dfsg-2.1; sid: 16.01+dfsg-2.1
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3193 [22:44:01] <SerajewelKS> i mean since it's statically
linked, the binary package might also work fine (one of the few
cases where installing a testing package on stable should be safe)
3194 [22:44:18] <SerajewelKS> the libc dep is identical
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3199 [22:45:45] <SerajewelKS> uio: but the advantage to a proper
nightly backup is that you can pull a file from days ago if you
discover it's bad
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3202 [22:46:08] <nickgaw> Hi, I am totally blind and am trying to
setup dropbox on Buster accept the GUI client is not the best usable
with orca can dropbox be installed using just the console?
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3204 [22:46:45] <SerajewelKS> uio: restic deduplicates so it only
stores files that changed, and can even store only the parts of a
file that changed. the first backup will be big; if you don't
change much data each day, the subsequent backups will barely add
any disk usage.
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3208 [22:48:29] <uio> SerajewelKS: Okay, thanks for the info.
I'll look into implementing a real backup system soon. I ended
up moving the unison.tmp files out of the comp sync dir and all
looks good. I didn't have to recreate the profiles or anything.
Number of files and octets match exactly.
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3210 [22:48:47] <uio> SerajewelKS: I'll hang onto the temp
files for now...
3211 [22:48:53] <uio> *tmp
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3215 [22:50:09] <uio> SerajewelKS: I really appreciate your help -
I was starting to panic!
3216 [22:50:14] <uio> cheers!
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3234 [23:00:56] <SerajewelKS> uio: np. just make sure you create a
separate profile for each directory pair.
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3238 [23:03:31] <uio> SerajewelKS: That too!
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3242 [23:06:39] <jmcnaught> nickgaw: I don't know about the
console but there is a nautilus-dropbox package, the GNOME file
manager might have better orca support than the dropbox client.
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3266 [23:13:38] <kenrestivo> snapshot.debian.org is 500'ing
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3269 [23:14:48] <kenrestivo> and, all our builds are failing :(
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3290 [23:27:11] <SerajewelKS> uio: if the goal is to sync comp1 to
comp2, is there a reason you need the usb sticks?
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3293 [23:28:15] <petn-randall> kenrestivo: It's working fine
for me. Can you share the output of your failing apt run on
replaced-url
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3295 [23:29:42] <kenrestivo> even the website snapshot.debian.org
shows a 500 error
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3299 [23:31:41] <SerajewelKS> uio: if there's network
connectivity between the two boxes, check out syncthing.net -- an
open source mesh synchronization tool, which can live-sync changes
between the systems
3300 [23:32:09] <kenrestivo> petn-randall: it looks like varnish
is caching a 500 response on your side
3301 [23:32:29] <SerajewelKS> if the two machines have internet
access but are both firewalled, syncthing can use relays (there are
some public ones it will automatically use -- and yes, everything is
end-to-end encrypted)
3302 [23:33:56] <SerajewelKS> (or you can operate your own relay)
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3307 [23:35:24] <kenrestivo> petn-randall: seems to work now.
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3311 [23:36:31] <uio> SerajewelKS: Actually I need to sync to usb
for printing purposes and because I have a hope computer and need to
use the usb on the work computers (which are shared and are
windows).
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3320 [23:45:30] <petn-randall> kenrestivo: As I said, I never got
the 500 error, so there couldn't be varnish caching the HTTP
500 response.
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3322 [23:45:51] <kenrestivo> ok, well it's up now. not sure
what happened but it was down for a day or so
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3324 [23:45:55] <kenrestivo> thanks
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3330 [23:53:35] <trysten> noob question. I'm using gnome and
can't figure out how to install stuff using the software stream
app thing. I clicked install on a few apps but it just says pending.
What am I missing?
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3332 [23:57:32] <rgr> software stream app thing?
3333 [23:57:38] <trysten> Yes
3334 [23:58:29] <rgr> Interested to know what you mean. I tend to
use synaptic to search and command line "sudo apt install
xxx" to install still.
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3339 [23:59:56] <trysten> I use aptitude exclusively >.> But
i'm trying gnome WM and thought i'd give the store-like
thing a try. So I clicked install on blender, it showed some
progress about downloading the app but now just says "Pending
installation..." at the top of the page for the app
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