12[00:12:43] <jmcnaught> FightingFalcon: 10.5 will be in Debian
11/bullseye when it gets released
13[00:12:59] <FightingFalcon> i have stretch
14[00:13:06] <FightingFalcon> shall i upgrade to 10.5?
15[00:13:35] <dvs> FightingFalcon: Debian is up to 10.9
actually
16[00:14:16] <FightingFalcon> ?
17[00:14:25] <sney> !10.9
18[00:14:25] <dpkg> Debian 10.9 was released on Mar 27th 2021.
his point release corrects some serious bugs and copies security
updates across to the main archive. Further details are at
replaced-url
19[00:14:28] <jmcnaught> FightingFalcon: Once a Debian release
is released its packages stay at the same version for the rest of
the release life cycle. Stretch will always have the same version of
mariadb (10.1), buster will always have 10.3
20[00:14:47] <FightingFalcon> So how come i have 10.3?
21[00:15:08] <jmcnaught> FightingFalcon: did you install it
from stretch-backports?
23[00:15:20] <FightingFalcon> nope, from another repository
24[00:15:40] <jmcnaught> FightingFalcon: so that's why. It
also is not in stetch-backports, my mistake.
25[00:16:35] <jmcnaught> FightingFalcon: if you use the mariadb
packages provided by Debian then you are using the version that was
released with that Debian release. Security fixes are backported.
Only in rare cicrcumstances (and for browsers) do version numbers
change in a Debian release.
26[00:17:02] <FightingFalcon> I see
27[00:18:06] <sney> you should update that stretch system when
you can, it only has LTS for another year
36[00:21:18] <sney> presumably the initrd has logic to look for
debian-$ver iso files. I haven't used the 4.3.3 method in years
though
37[00:24:10] <FightingFalcon> sney, can i upgrade my stretch to
buster?
38[00:24:12] <FightingFalcon> is it safe?
39[00:24:39] <sney> dpkg: stretch->buster
40[00:24:40] <dpkg> Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of
the <release notes>
replaced-url
41[00:24:57] <sney> debian releases are designed to upgrade
over previous releases. it generally works.
42[00:25:50] <ryouma> i got intimidated by the release notes
for stretch to buster as there were some issues it pointed out that
seemed complex, but probably it is ok if you're normal
43[00:28:56] <FightingFalcon> isnt a fresh install better?
44[00:29:56] <ryouma> it can be a lot of work comparatively
unless you are a wiz who can pre-configure stuff and use
configuration management stuff and so on
45[00:30:19] <FightingFalcon> I better wait for the next
version: bullseye
46[00:30:19] <ryouma> debian is designed to be both upgraded
and dist-upgraded
47[00:31:12] <FightingFalcon> Sop
48[00:31:13] <FightingFalcon> So
49[00:31:22] <FightingFalcon> Shall i take a snapshot and give
it a go?
50[00:32:51] <dvs> FightingFalcon: you have to upgrade to
buster to get to bullseye
51[00:33:15] <ryouma> poll: did anybody have horro stories from
stretch to buster?
52[00:33:36] <ryouma> or even more than minor issues
53[00:34:24] <sney> nothing that I remember specifically
83[00:47:18] <buu> So do I need 2.26 for this cve to be fixed?
84[00:48:43] <sney> if you are affected by that cve, and you
need a fix in your environment, the only option is to upgrade to
buster.
85[00:49:25] <ryouma> and that should be showing in
check-support-status?
86[00:49:27] <sney> but before you panic, you should read the
bug report and the flaw description more closely. most of the time
these little glibc vulnerabilities are only exploitable in very
narrow/rare circumstances, if at all
87[00:49:51] <buu> Oh I'm definitely not panicking
88[00:50:16] <buu> I am however fighting this stupid
bureaucratic process that involves and idiotic "cve
scanner"
89[00:50:25] <sney> the debian security team considers this
issue 'minor' like a lot of stuff
replaced-url
90[00:50:34] <sney> ah, figures
91[00:50:38] <buu> But this magic program I must obey think
it's critical!
92[00:50:46] <buu> =[
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Schwarzenegger)
94[00:51:17] <ryouma> huh, on a stretch box
check-support-status is not showing that one
95[00:51:38] <buu> hm
96[00:52:02] <buu> This is actually the postgres:9.5 docker
image
97[00:52:08] <buu> I wonder if the -alpine one will magically
pass
98[00:52:54] <buu> oh but we use postgresql-plperl
99[00:53:00] <buu> Woe is me
100[00:54:55] <FightingFalcon> If i take a snapshot, try to
update and fail, i can safely revert back right?
101[00:55:14] <sney> that's what that term usually means
102[00:55:27] <sney> though I don't think you've said
what kind of snapshot
103[00:55:44] <FightingFalcon> hetzner says take a snapshot
108[00:58:19] <ryouma> i have heard that btrfs can fix broken
upgrades by surrounding the upgrades with a snapshot, but idk if
that's true or if it is supported for that in that version
109[00:58:42] <sney> maybe they meant lvm? or a vm hypervisor?
who knows
112[00:59:31] <sney> buu: and I suppose you need postgres-9, or
you'd be on buster already. I hope your org lets you put
'wontfix' on a ticket if it's for a good reason.
113[01:00:16] <buu> ha ha ha
114[01:00:22] <buu> I like your optimism!
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116[01:00:35] <ld> it is really frustrating that big sections of
the most basic tasks in the documentation are out of date
117[01:00:54] <ld> the install instructions have no hope of
working
118[01:01:02] <ld> worse the installer lies to you about files
that it needs
119[01:01:34] <ld> "i want to install debian" is not a
task covered by the debian documentaiton
120[01:01:47] *** Quits: andantino (~andante@replaced-ip) (Remote host closed the connection)
121[01:01:48] <sney> ld: file a bug, but are you sure you
didn't miss the part about how 4.3.1 is the only part most
people need, and 4.3.2 begins with "an alternative
way..."?
122[01:02:11] <sney> ld: the vast majority of installs succeed
with a netinst or cd1/dvd1 written directly to flash media and
booted.
123[01:02:26] <sney> the extra stuff below that is *only* for
special cases.
124[01:02:27] <ld> those also involve destroying whatever else
was on my flash drive
125[01:03:24] <sney> yes, if you are attached to whatever is on
there already, you should back it up to more reliable media in any
case
126[01:03:41] <ld> ???
127[01:04:03] <ld> that has nothing to do with what i said
133[01:04:35] *** Quits: Tobbi (~Tobbi@replaced-ip) (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)
134[01:06:11] <sney> also: since 4.3.3.1 refers explicitly to
mkdosfs and install-mbr, I suspect it's only supported by
bios/legacy hardware and not efi.
135[01:07:29] <ld> that still has nothing to do with what i said
136[01:07:34] <maxtim> I'm having a strange issue with USB
3 ports. I first thought it was the RTL-SDR causing the issue, but
the same behavior has been seen with several USB thumb drive. It
first drops the port, then drops my NIC. dmesg remports
'enp4s0: NIC Up: 1 Gbps Full' link down, link up... repeat
137[01:08:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1029
138[01:08:56] <maxtim> It's super bizarre. Any ideas how to
troubleshoot?
147[01:13:07] <sney> maxtim: hard to say, but it smells like
possibly a power issue.
148[01:13:40] <ryouma> what type of solution are you looking
for? --- 16:02 <ld> those also involve destroying whatever
else was on my flash drive
149[01:13:47] <sappheiros> Isn't this what I want to get
started (with ethernet cable plugged into the machine i'm
trying to USB-install Debian into)?
replaced-url
150[01:13:47] <ryouma> pardon me if i am missing something
151[01:14:41] <sney> sappheiros: most start with
replaced-url
152[01:14:54] <sney> and specifically the netinst iso
153[01:14:59] <sappheiros> and i can use macos terminal to write
this CD iso onto a USB stick?
154[01:15:17] <sney> probably.
155[01:15:18] <sappheiros> yes, says that page
156[01:15:30] <sney> I haven't done that in osx but I
don't see why not.
157[01:15:43] <maxtim> sney, a 600W PSU with a GTX 960 and not
much else...
159[01:16:21] <maxtim> that does sound right, but how to be sure
i wonder
160[01:16:40] <sney> maxtim: if it's a power issue, it
would be with that PSU (or maybe the motherboard vrm) failing,
rather than not having enough watts
161[01:17:02] <sney> you could also check for an efi update from
the mb vendor, sometimes that can help
162[01:17:47] <maxtim> i actually just recently went looking for
mobo updates. it's a little old, maybe 2015ish.
163[01:18:07] <sney> sappheiros: the page has a description of
the mac iso, depending on the age of your computer it may be what
you need
164[01:18:32] <sappheiros> step 0. stop being impatient and read
more carefully ... gotcha, thanks
165[01:18:56] <maxtim> PSU feels right though.... I'll look
into that
180[01:33:56] <maxrazer> Somehow my SSD storage went from
hundreds of GB free to only 25GB free and I'm getting errors in
applications about not enough storage space. Does anyone know how I
can figure out where all my storage went?
182[01:36:13] <ryouma> maxrazer: du is a good place to start
183[01:36:17] <sappheiros> I just copied the netinst.iso
following the directions but I'm _still_ getting
"isolinux.bin missing or corrupt." I'll try putting
it into each USB slot to see if it's checking one in particular
for boot media ... do you have another recommendation?
194[01:41:38] <sappheiros> I was able to access the boot menu
through F11 but it still went to "isolinux.bin missing or
corrupt"! :( I wrote the iso to USB using this command after
verifying the sha512 signature: sudo dd
if=/Users/user/Downloads/debian-10.9.0-amd64-netinst.iso
of=/dev/disk3s1 bs=4m; sync
195[01:42:30] <sappheiros> and it said 84+1 records in 84+1
records out presumably successfully executing (~353 Mb transferred
in ~49 s)
196[01:42:49] <jmcnaught> sappheiros: is /dev/disk3s1 the whole
drive, or a partition?
197[01:42:54] <maxrazer> ryouma, Ok, " du -hs * | sort
-h" says that "gpodder" has taken up 390G. So that is
where 390G suddenly went in the blink of an eye.
198[01:43:20] <sappheiros> jmcnaught: it's the fat32
partition; i followed the tutorial at
replaced-url
199[01:43:42] <sappheiros> i'll try repeating the dd
identifying the main drive instead of that partition,
then...(right?) ...
200[01:43:56] <jmcnaught> sappheiros: Debian ISO images need to
be copied to a device, not a partition.
201[01:44:33] <sappheiros> thank you. so i will use /dev/disk2
instead of /dev/disk2s1 ...
202[01:45:08] <segamain> sappheiros: delete the partitions on
the usb if u have any and try again
203[01:45:46] <jmcnaught> When you copy an image to a drive it
writes over anything that was already there, partitions included.
204[01:45:59] <maxrazer> Somehow my ~/gPodder/Downloads folder
is 390G according to "du"
205[01:46:00] <sappheiros> so there's no risk in using dd
straightaway without erasing?
206[01:46:21] <maxrazer> yet, when I look in that folder I see
no large files.
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219[01:51:52] <maxrazer> Maybe all the files in downloads added
up to 390G. Maybe I accidentally told gpodder to download every
podcast I was subscribed to?!?!
220[01:52:24] <maxrazer> I just deleted all the files in the
gPodder/Downloads file and it freed up 390G.
221[01:53:01] <maxrazer> That is scary. I wonder if that could
cause problems with my ISP.
227[01:59:17] <sappheiros> :D Thank you. Is it okay if I leave
now that the installer is partitioning the hard drive (to dine with
friends), or should I stay to finish the entire installation before
leaving?
228[01:59:39] <sappheiros> ("The installer is now
overwriting [...] to prevent meta-informaiton leaks [...]")
264[02:41:10] <jmcnaught> segamain: you will have better success
typing people's nicks if you use <tab> completion. Type
the first character or two of a nick, then press <tab> to
complete, <tab> also cycles through the options available.
294[02:56:14] <dpkg> segamain: are you using Windows?
295[02:56:25] <segamain> dpkg: no
296[02:56:25] <dpkg> No Offense, or den norske debian kanalen
#debian-no. For skandinaviske brukere av debian. It is the norwegian
channel #debian-no for scandinavian users.
297[02:59:37] <segamain> dpkg: are you using windows ?
298[02:59:38] <dpkg> segamain: I wish you would RTFM.
299[02:59:55] <segamain> dpkg: whats RTFM
300[02:59:56] <dpkg> wish i knew, segamain
301[03:00:23] <jmcnaught> segamain: dpkg is a bot
302[03:00:34] <segamain> I konw :D
303[03:00:42] <segamain> somebody get this robot
304[03:01:47] *** Quits: Adbray (~Adbray@replaced-ip) (Quit: Ah! By Brain!)
362[03:36:23] <Sevenhill> sussudio: we are in covid19 times, all
schools,universities , and other things are closed in most of
countries right now , so it is normal for them to get bored :D
516[04:06:45] <brizz> is anyone familiar with haproxy? (i know
there is a channel). I've been trying to figure something out
for past 4 hours now
517[04:07:32] <dvs> !anyone
518[04:07:32] <dpkg> Please do not ask if anyone can help you,
knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'.
Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_
"does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about
<popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask>
<polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
519[04:11:03] <brizz> I am trying to use HAProxy as a forward
proxy for PowerMTA. I've searched all over the net and
can't find anything to help. PowerMTA connects to HAProxy and
HAProxy connects to mx servers and delivers from the IP HaProxy is
served on. It is NOT a reverse or balanced proxy setup
523[04:12:58] <sappheiros> For partitioning the disk during
installation, does the following imply that if I use the whole
volume group then I _cannot_ grow logical volumes later using the
LVM tools? "If you use only part of it, or if you add more
disks later, then you will be able to grow logical volumes later
using the LVM tools". Are logical volumes 'outside
of' the volume group used for guided partitioning?
524[04:13:25] *** Joins: Filo (~filohuhum@replaced-ip)
525[04:13:51] <sappheiros> For greatest flexibility should I use
50% of the volume group (i.e. my hard drive) for guided
partitioning?
528[04:16:56] <ryouma> (my totally subjective opinjion: lvm
shold not be shown to new users. it is just too much extra stuff for
them to hav eto learn if they ever hav eto deal with it.)
529[04:19:15] <sappheiros> I agree. This would bother my mother,
who is at least a little interested in switch from macOS to linux.
It would be good to ask if the user is complete novice and wants all
recommended setups, and if so then to pick reasonable stuff for him.
(I went with 50% of my drive, and took a screenshot planning to
learn more later.)
530[04:20:31] <sappheiros> Where is the deb.debian.org mirror
located?
531[04:20:47] <sappheiros> "You should use a mirror in your
region"
532[04:20:56] <ryouma> i am not a complete novice and i do not
use lvm precisely because it just adds 3 ;layers and potential edge
and corner cases
534[04:21:41] <sappheiros> rather than being a mirror per se
535[04:22:58] <sappheiros> "geographic proximity often
isn't the most important factor for determining which machine
will serve you best." then maybe i shouldn't try picking
one nearby? :/
552[04:40:44] <ASDX> would you say debian supports OS downgrades
(of point releases)?
553[04:41:10] <dvs> !downgrade
554[04:41:10] <dpkg> Downgrading is not, nor will ever be
supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that
can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support
upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try:
"dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install
package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to
get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>,
<unstable->testing>, <sdo>.
555[04:41:37] <ASDX> dvs: thanks
556[04:41:43] <dvs> np
557[04:42:06] <oxek> ASDX: not supported does not mean
impossible though.
558[04:42:12] <oxek> you can do it easily
559[04:42:21] <oxek> it just isn't officially supported
596[05:51:11] <McErroneous> Hi, cant find "ntp-server"
in debian squeeze repository, but its beeing referenced by
websites.... (apt-get update ; apt-cache search ntp-server .. is not
successfull ) Have those packages been removed from the repository ?
677[08:11:57] <McErroneous> Hi, i installed some progams using
apt-get..., and a packet lockfile-progs_0.1.15+squeeze got
installed..., how do i verfiy which program requieres it in order to
run ?
716[08:25:42] <McErroneous> should be enough if a single
machines get the i-net time..., and the rest of the local net could
get the time then , from my local server...
717[08:26:56] * McErroneous BBL ( be back later)..
735[08:40:35] <McErroneous> ack. before introducing new stuff by
upgrading/updating , i would like to get comfortable with my current
system.., i am buffled by all the changes...
744[08:43:01] <Onepamopa> Hey guys... any ideas on why dhclient
would fail to renew IP on reboot (/sbin/dhclient -4 -v -i -pf
/run/dhclient.ens18.pid -lf /var/lib/dhcp/dhclient.ens18.leases -I
-df /var/lib/dhcp/dhclient6.ens18.leases ens18) - it does DHCPOFFER
w/o actually binding, but if I kill it and just run dhclient -v (w/o
specifying any of the interface and so forth) - it'll start
working immediately ?
745[08:43:29] <Unit193> ,i chrony
746[08:43:30] <judd> Package chrony (net, optional) in
buster/amd64: Versatile implementation of the Network Time Protocol.
Version: 3.4-4+deb10u1; Size: 228.9k; Installed: 498k; Homepage:
replaced-url
845[10:44:54] <Franciman> the output of ss is the same
846[10:45:05] <ratrace> Franciman: run that ss as root to see
the users of the process
847[10:45:14] <Franciman> oh
848[10:45:27] <Franciman> uh
849[10:45:30] <Franciman> looks like I have apache2
850[10:45:34] <Franciman> what the hell
851[10:45:43] <Franciman> thanks
852[10:46:23] <ratrace> you _can_ have both running. it's
not unusual to use nginx as first web server, then apache behind it
as some kind of application server, though there's better ways
to use such setups
853[10:46:59] <Franciman> hmm I installed the php package
854[10:47:05] <Franciman> well if I have apache, I can use
apache
855[10:47:19] <Franciman> I just want to get started with a
small env to develop a stupid website in php
856[10:47:31] <ratrace> "start small", then I'd
recommend nginx + php-fpm
857[10:47:40] <ratrace> whatever you do, do NOT run apache with
mod-php
1011[14:30:21] <sappheiros> Must I unlock my disk with its
password every time I boot up the computer, since the drive is
encrypted? How often should the computer be turned off or restarted?
1036[14:53:09] <McErroneous> Hi, i know there have been some
reports on "debian squeeze" about hidden mouse pointer. I
have observed this only if a internet connection is active... .
Offline i have never experienced this, i think..
1074[15:10:53] <sappheiros> I can't even paste into XTerm.
-_- right clicking doesn't give me a menu to click Paste, and
control+v, option+v, command+v doesn't paste ...... quickly
getting my "i shouldn't use linux i suck at linux"
hairs standing on end
1121[15:23:36] <dpkg> Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the
two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib
non-free" rather than just "main", then
«apt-get update». But bear in mind that you'll be
installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms;
check the licenses. See also <sources.list>.
1122[15:23:41] <sappheiros> how do i open sources.list with
saving privileges? ... i'm just trying to install the GPU
firmware
1123[15:23:45] <sappheiros> it won't let me save the new
line to it
1147[15:27:42] <oxek> it was explained on the installation
screen, and in the installation guide
1148[15:27:44] <sappheiros> oxek, oh. i thought i was doing what
the installer recommended
1149[15:28:11] <jelly> sappheiros, that's an implicit
setting in the installer. If you omit root password, you get sudo
rights fom the start. If you enter a root password, you don't
get sudo for the first user
1151[15:28:39] <jelly> if you want those, run "adduser
yourusername sudo" as root, then log off and log back on
1152[15:28:49] <sappheiros> i guess i'll just reinstall the
darn thing without cinnamon ... i thought it was saying if i
didn't put in a root password i'd be running the computer
always in sudo mode
1153[15:29:19] <oxek> you don't need to reinstall a debian
system ever, unless you want to
1154[15:29:22] <sappheiros> bash: adduser: command not found
1155[15:29:31] <oxek> you can add yourself to the sudo group
1156[15:29:32] <sappheiros> well literally nothing is working
right now
1157[15:29:36] <oxek> first you need to login as root
1158[15:29:37] <sappheiros> even commands you tell me are not
working
1159[15:29:39] <jelly> sappheiros, open a root shell by doing
"su -"
1160[15:29:40] <sappheiros> oh
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1180[15:36:13] <dpkg> Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the
two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib
non-free" rather than just "main", then
«apt-get update». But bear in mind that you'll be
installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms;
check the licenses. See also <sources.list>.
1190[15:38:05] <oxek> I don't think cinnamon is known for
good accessibility
1191[15:38:37] <sappheiros> yeah after GPU firmware i will try to
learn how to switch back from cinnamon to gnome default. the
resolution is too small and there's only one setting for it in
the Display options
1192[15:39:26] <sappheiros> editing in xterm, must I control+o to
save before control+x?
1193[15:39:35] <sappheiros> i will search online for an xterm vim
manual i guess
1194[15:39:41] <oxek> that's probably the `nano` text editor
1195[15:39:49] <sappheiros> oh, right, the easier one i selected
1196[15:39:52] <oxek> so yes, need to Ctrl-o
1197[15:40:19] <oxek> once you've done that, run `sudo apt
update`
1198[15:40:41] <oxek> and then run `sudo apt install
firmware-linux-nonfree firmware-misc-nonfree`
1199[15:40:42] <sappheiros> "File to insert [from ./]:
" it's expecting me to type in the location of some file
whose text to insert?! ...
1200[15:41:08] <sappheiros> i guess i'll try putting the
/etc/apt/sources.list location, seems probable i'll screw
something up
1239[15:49:34] <sappheiros> I've got it now:
replaced-url
1240[15:50:31] <sappheiros> "If you have a 3-button mouse,
the easiest way is to use the standard Unix/Linux shortcut: select
the text you want to copy (drag the mouse over it, or double-click
to select a word, or triple-click to select a line). Then
middle-click to paste the text." This does not work. :(
1286[16:00:55] <judd> Search for amdgpu/vega20_asd.bin in
buster-backports/amd64: firmware-amd-graphics:
lib/firmware/amdgpu/vega20_asd.bin
1287[16:01:17] <jelly> sappheiros, if you're using a kernel
from backports, you need to use firmware from backports as well
1288[16:01:35] <jelly> versions of drivers (= kernel) and
firmware need to roughly match
1289[16:01:43] <sappheiros> i followed the easy standard install
for the most part, unless installing 'web server' and
other such optional packages changed it?
1290[16:01:53] <jelly> sappheiros, what does "uname -a"
say?
1292[16:02:40] <sappheiros> preceeded by Linux PCname
1293[16:02:43] <jelly> that's a regular buster kernel
1294[16:02:57] <oxek> regular buster kernel can use the firmware
files from backports
1295[16:02:59] <jelly> unusual that some fw is missing from the
fw packages
1296[16:03:16] <oxek> not unusual, quite common in fact
1297[16:03:18] <jelly> sappheiros, eh. Reboot and see whether
this is enough
1298[16:03:20] <sappheiros> i suppose i should log out and log
back in to see if the graphics will switch over to my GPU now? or
should i turn off computer again and boot back on?
1299[16:03:31] <sappheiros> you're saying i should reboot,
rather than log out and in. okay ...
1300[16:03:40] <sappheiros> i'm already sick of entering my
long decryption password -_-
1301[16:03:47] <sappheiros> i didn't know it would make me
type it every time the computer turns on
1302[16:04:09] <jelly> keep typing it in, you're going to
learn it by rote soon
1303[16:04:29] <oxek> reboot and come back, I know how to fix
your problem afterwards
1304[16:04:30] <jelly> I know my 25 character one.
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1329[16:10:44] <oxek> the buster-backports package does
1330[16:10:49] <jelly> oxek, that W: isn't necessarily a
file they need
1331[16:11:01] <jelly> that's a generic check from
update-initramfs.
1332[16:11:34] <sappheiros> lol i feel like a dog looking
anxiously between the adults wondering what to do
1333[16:11:41] <jelly> the check looks for ALL the possible
firmware bits for ALL THE CARDS
1334[16:11:49] <sappheiros> "what are they talking
about" "they seem to be disagreeing" "what
should i do"
1335[16:12:09] <jelly> sappheiros, do things work well now?
1336[16:12:22] <oxek> sappheiros: we're not really
disagreeing, I'm just skipping a few steps whereas jelly is
doing it one step at a time and being more careful
1337[16:13:03] <jelly> no no, we're duking it out
1338[16:13:10] <oxek> bring it on!
1339[16:13:27] <sappheiros> sudo apt install
firmware-linux-nonfree firmware-misc-nonfree -- should I run this
again to see if any firmware for this sapphire pulse Radeon RX580 is
missing?
1340[16:13:56] <oxek> sappheiros: ideally, you'd look
through the output of `sudo dmesg -H` now and try to spot if it says
anything about missing firmware
1341[16:14:18] <jelly> sappheiros, no, look at "dmesg"
output to see if the actually running driver is still missing
firmware for your actually present card
1342[16:14:20] <sappheiros> yay, first i'ma "man
dmesg" and look for -H because i RTFM >_>
1343[16:15:06] <oxek> the -H makes error messages red and has a
few other nice things for humans
1344[16:15:30] <sappheiros> DMI: To Be Filled By O.E.M. To Be
Filled By O.E.M./X570 Phantom Gaming 4, BIOS P3.40 10/21/2020
1345[16:15:34] <sappheiros> ^ am I missing DMI?
1346[16:15:36] <sappheiros> what is DMI ...
1347[16:16:01] <oxek> you can ignore that one
1348[16:16:03] <sappheiros> [ +0.000002] MTRR default type:
uncachable -- i dunno what this is but 'uncachable' seems
not good
1349[16:16:24] <oxek> you can ignore that one too. try to search
for firmware
1350[16:16:25] <sappheiros> [ +0.000008] ACPI: Early table
checksum verification disabled -- i dunno if that should be like
that ...
1351[16:16:59] <sappheiros> [ +0.000080] No NUMA configuration
found
1356[16:18:04] <ksk> nevermind the latter, if you already did ask
a meaningful question already..
1357[16:18:59] <sappheiros> Oh! I was meaning to ask about this
on the debian forums later, but I'm still getting this error
when booting up the PC, and it appears here in dmesg -H also:
1358[16:19:08] <sappheiros> [ +0.000000] do_IRQ: 1.55 No irq
handler for vector
1359[16:19:35] <ksk> sappheiros: Do you actually have a problem /
question? "things I dont understand in dmesg" is not a bad
thing, per se.
1360[16:19:37] <oxek> you could spend an entire university course
going through each line of dmesg output...
1361[16:20:47] <sappheiros> sudo dmesg -H | grep firmware
doesn't report any clear errors, though it only shows polaris10
stuff, not the vega lines from earlier
1362[16:20:48] <jelly> there's all sorts of crap in there
1363[16:21:21] <jelly> sappheiros, that's because your card
is a polaris thing, so it doesn't need missing firmware for the
vrga thing
1364[16:21:24] <jelly> vega*
1365[16:21:29] <sappheiros> i dunno if vega is even relevant for
me though. i dunno what the Radeon RX580 or Ryzen 7 3700X needs to
work well with debian
1445[17:12:54] <Azlux> Hi all, I'm maintain a debian
repository and I'm aslink myself when I do server update and I
need to cut my repo server few time, is there are a http error code
I can send to avoid client to have a time-out ?
1453[17:16:16] <imMute> Azlux: are you mirroring the official
debian repo, are you running your own repo with your own packages?
1454[17:16:26] <Azlux> it's my own
1455[17:17:04] <imMute> okay, what software are you using to
manage the repo?
1456[17:17:18] <Azlux> oxek: I have a repo server, and sometime I
need to shut the web server. Is there are a better http error for
maintenance than timeout.
1468[17:19:41] <imMute> I think just about any error code is
going to cause apt to fail the request, so it probably doesn't
matter much.
1469[17:20:07] <Azlux> imMute: indeed. 503 look the best.
1470[17:20:08] <oxek> imMute: 'connection refused'
requires some device to refuse the connection. You're not gonna
get that if things are powered down.
1471[17:20:29] <imMute> oxek: true, I was thinking
"down" as in the HTTP server was stopped, not the whole
system powered off.
1472[17:20:36] <Azlux> I feel the same, apt will not care of the
http error. only print a failure
1473[17:21:33] <Azlux> oxek: I have a very small server as backup
with a simple http page in case I stop my main one (vrrp protocol)
1474[17:21:43] <Azlux> That why I'm asking the question :D
1495[17:39:46] <greycat> There isn't a "default
desktop". If you have more than one installed, there should be
a dropdown menu widget on your login screen (Display Manager) that
lets you select a different X session type.
1521[17:50:33] <sappheiros> It was a fresh installation and I
selected additional things to install including cinnamon, but I did
not uncheck any of the default options.
1522[17:51:13] <greycat> We don't know which things were the
"defaults" in your particular installer.
1530[17:53:16] <oxek> something else struck me as odd with that
installation - console-setup was not installed by default
1531[17:53:33] <sappheiros> > If you complete the
installation, the screenshots can also be found in the directory
/var/log/installer/ (after the reboot into the installed system).
1532[17:53:54] *** PamiPetteri is now known as xormor
1533[17:54:11] <sappheiros> > Could not load image
“partman-auto-lvm_guided_size_0.png”. / failed to load
input stream for file ....
1534[17:54:34] <sappheiros> is this because my user account
doesn't have root privileges by default?
1535[17:54:57] <sappheiros> looks like it
1536[17:55:01] <imMute> sappheiros: what does 'file
/var/log/installer/partman-auto-lvm_guided_size_0.png' say
about the file? (assuming I got the filename right)
1537[17:55:21] <sappheiros> that it's a screenshot i took of
the partitioning process that doesn't apply to the conversation
about packages installed
1538[17:55:47] <sappheiros> i was just wondering how i can access
files outside of my user folder, like if i need to XTerm 'sudo
nautilus' or something (thinking back to Ubuntu)
1539[17:56:07] <sappheiros> Nemo, not nautilus, perhaps ...
1540[17:56:16] <oxek> you really wouldn't run `sudo
nautilus` even on ubuntu
1581[18:22:52] <sappheiros> might be sudo hcitool -a
1582[18:22:59] <jelly> !what's my hardware
1583[18:22:59] <dpkg> You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia,
lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw, or even dmesg to find out
what kind of hardware your machine might have, or you could crack
the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! If you install lshw, run
"lshw -html > myhardware.html" as root and you'll
have a nice HTML summation. See also <myram>, <driver
locator>.
1584[18:23:15] <dob1> I don't remember how to kill a python
script with killall
1594[18:26:03] <sappheiros> do i need to look out for anything in
particular when buying a wifi/bluetooth card for linux
compatibility?
1595[18:26:09] <oxek> sappheiros: yes
1596[18:26:22] <sappheiros> debian specifically in this channel i
mean to ask
1597[18:26:25] <dob1> pkill -f seems to work, so giving the
script a unique name can be helpful
1598[18:26:32] <oxek> sappheiros: also yes
1599[18:26:34] <sappheiros> lol
1600[18:27:27] <sappheiros> instead of asking here, would it help
people searching online if i first made a thread in the debian
forums, and then post answers i get here to that thread, so it can
be archived by search engines?
1601[18:27:42] <sappheiros> (and changed it to [Resolved] in the
subject after posting the answer)
1615[18:33:21] <greycat> wherever you find correct answers is
fine
1616[18:33:51] <sney> stackexchange has some good advice and some
bad advice. don't trust them 100%, and don't blindly run
any commands from there, but they are a good source of clues
1617[18:33:52] <sappheiros> wondering which has more info on it
1618[18:34:05] <sney> really, manuals are better than forums in
general
1619[18:34:06] <oxek> what info are you looking for?
1622[18:35:29] <sney> if you're buying a wifi card, buy
intel. they are supported best and there's only 1 driver, so
it's not a random nightmare like some cheaper stuff.
1623[18:36:17] <oxek> but firmware...
1624[18:36:27] <oxek> and especially non-free firmware
1625[18:36:30] <sney> there's no choice with wifi anymore
1626[18:36:38] <sney> ath9k is too old to be considered
1629[18:36:59] <oxek> I don't know what the thinkpenguin
devices use nowadays
1630[18:37:16] <sney> hard to find new. if you have one and it
still works, great, but nobody is retailing ath9k cards in 2021
1631[18:37:28] <oxek> wifi is problematic anyway, the spectrum is
saturated to you won't get better speeds than ~100Mbps anyway,
unless you're somewhere far from a city
1636[18:44:37] <sappheiros> I was thinking to buy a bluetooth
keyboard, but a wired one may be better. and I've got loads of
'how do I ____' questions, being new to debian and still
generally sucky with linux
1637[18:45:19] <EdePopede> a lot of them can be answered by
reading or just playing already.
1675[19:22:59] <shtrb> sappheiros, bluetooth works^TM in linux. I
personally hate wireless keyboards because of the annoying default
auto sleep in them
1695[19:33:31] <EdePopede> on a desk in front of the monitor
there's no need for a wireless keyboard, but when i'm not
there i don't want to hold it all the time
1696[19:33:57] <shtrb> A good feature with I think Logitech it
would alert you the battery charge level (bluetooth ?) and plasma
even had a popup alert once
1697[19:34:16] <EdePopede> the really annoying thing for me is
the compact keyboard design, i really would appreciate some more of
the usual gaps
1698[19:34:27] * shtrb imagine EdePopede go around his office with his
keyboard in one hand and a PC in the other
1699[19:34:57] <shtrb> EdePopede, there are sane keyboard with
space for fingers and not sales designer chopsticks
1700[19:35:02] <EdePopede> is this even still a thing? batteries
dying all the time were a reason not to get one until maybe 2 years
ago, but i'm still using the 1st set i think
1701[19:35:26] <shtrb> It's my luck
1702[19:35:33] <EdePopede> shtrb, it's a logitech set,
nothing special
1703[19:35:47] <shtrb> at least they are recharable
1711[19:47:10] <ikus060> I ask the question on #net-snmp, but I
see little activity in the channel. So asking here too. Is it
possible using command line to get the trap name from a oid ?
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1751[20:36:11] <jhutchins> ikus060: I think that specialised a
question is more likely to be answereed on an smpt mailing list, or
possibly the mailing list for your mailer.
1823[21:10:21] <varaindemian> somiaj: just update, I am trying to
perform an update for it
1824[21:10:26] <jhutchins> varaindemian: Did you checksum the iso
you downloaded?
1825[21:10:44] <somiaj> varaindemian: the DE's in buster
don't get upgrades (outside of some targeted security/bug
fixes)
1826[21:10:48] <greycat> 'apt update' only downloads
the changes to the list of available packages
1827[21:10:54] <varaindemian> did you see the link I pasted?
1828[21:11:03] <somiaj> varaindemian: all apt update does is just
download the package list files, it doesn't actually upgrade
anything on your machine.
1829[21:11:03] <jhutchins> Does the concept of "update"
mean anything with a disk?
1830[21:11:07] <varaindemian> Yeah, but as you can see it fails..
1831[21:11:22] <varaindemian> somiaj: I know
1832[21:11:39] <somiaj> varaindemian: oh yea, sorry missed your
link, do you really need to use the cdrom sources?
1833[21:11:45] <ValeraRozuvan> What's the future of
aptitude? Will apt slowly faze it out?
1834[21:11:48] <greycat> So is this problem COMPLETELY unrelated
to your original question about which DE other people should tell
you to use?
1835[21:11:52] <varaindemian> somiaj: I don't
1836[21:12:00] <varaindemian> greycat: yes,
1837[21:12:15] <somiaj> varaindemian: edit /etc/apt/sources.list
and commentout remove the lines about the cdroms and only use
internet sources.
1838[21:12:33] <varaindemian> somiaj: thank you! I'll try it
1839[21:12:42] <somiaj> ValeraRozuvan: afiak they will both be
avilable, one isn't going to phase out the other (Debian still
has dselect for those who want to use it)
1842[21:13:30] <somiaj> ValeraRozuvan: not really, there
isn't a clear chain.
1843[21:14:06] <greycat> dselect and aptitude and synaptic are
all "big-ass monolithic administrative tools" with lots
going on
1844[21:14:18] <greycat> apt-get and apt are simple command-line
tools
1845[21:14:26] <somiaj> ValeraRozuvan: aptitude and apt (via
various binaries apt-get, apt-cache) were kinda created in
parallell, and apt is mearly another binary for the same apt package
that can allow changes to its output which apt-get cannot due to
used in so many scripts.
1846[21:14:29] <varaindemian> somiaj: so that was all?
1848[21:15:00] <varaindemian> somiaj: looks like it is up to date
already
1849[21:15:11] <somiaj> varaindemian: In the future, you should
start out asking about your actual problem. But yes, you had those
in your soruces.list from your install and since you didn't
have the cd available when you ran update, it couldn't find it.
1850[21:15:37] <somiaj> varaindemian: yea, debian stable only
gets security and sever bug fixes.
1851[21:16:05] <varaindemian> somiaj: Sure. I saw on the web page
that there were 2 more cds/dvs. Do I need to just download thoese
and complete the update?
1852[21:16:15] <greycat> No.
1853[21:16:19] <varaindemian> Okay
1854[21:16:44] <greycat> If your machine is on the Internet, at
least part time, you should just remove all CD or DVD lines from
sources.list. You'll never use them.
1855[21:16:47] <somiaj> varaindemian: no, in general I only ever
use the 'netinstall' cd, since I download and update all
my packages online. Those are only if you want an offline copy, and
even then the first dvd ismore than enough.
1856[21:17:18] <somiaj> well more than enough for most people,
the packages on the later dvds are not used nearly as often
1867[21:19:19] <somiaj> varaindemian: debian uses free nouveau by
default, if you need non-free drivers this requires a bit more work
in debian due to debian's stance on non-free
1868[21:19:32] <varaindemian> somiaj: then it's the kernel.
Debian is on kernel 4, ubuntu is on kernel 5
1871[21:20:29] <somiaj> varaindemian: it is most likely something
else, unless your computer is acient, a newer kernel should still
work on it.
1872[21:20:43] <varaindemian> it's quite new
1873[21:21:08] <varaindemian> i7 9750h
1874[21:21:13] <varaindemian> dell laptop
1875[21:21:48] <somiaj> But this isn't really a ubuntu
channel, if you wanted to debug what ubunutu was doing differently.
But I dont' think it was at the kernel/hardware support level.
1876[21:22:02] <varaindemian> yeah, true
1877[21:22:07] <varaindemian> just wondering
1878[21:22:15] <varaindemian> since they are both debian
1879[21:22:39] <somiaj> no they are not both debian.
1881[21:23:13] <somiaj> ubuntu is based on debian, but its core
has diverged quite a long ways that outside of using common
packages, there is a lot of differences.
1884[21:24:03] <varaindemian> Thank you so much anyway!
1885[21:24:06] <format_c> Exim got reported severe security
vulnerabilities. Version 4.94.2 should be fixed. I just upgraded my
Debian Server and it shows upgrade to Exim verison 4.94.2 . I chcked
packages.debian.org bug the Changelog and Patch-History doesn't
really work. How do I know that the security patches are really
included in the Debian verison of the package?
1886[21:24:26] *** Quits: varaindemian (~oct@replaced-ip) (Quit: Lost terminal)
1887[21:24:26] <somiaj> format_c: do you have a CVE for this
issue?
1888[21:25:24] <format_c> multiple
1889[21:25:57] <somiaj> format_c: well debian clearly tracks
them, the most recent CVE I could find from 2021 says debian buster
is not effected
replaced-url
1890[21:25:59] <sney> it's DSA 4912-1 and there was a d-s-a
email about it 2 days ago
1891[21:26:10] <greycat> format_c: you appear to be looking only
at the upstream part of the package version number. Debian backports
security fixes.
1894[21:27:21] <greycat> format_c: also, you appear to be using a
non-stable release on your server. This is not advised, and testing
does NOT receive security support.
1896[21:28:09] <format_c> Thanks. Will check out this resource...
1897[21:29:01] <format_c> What does bullseye pakage mean.
1898[21:29:33] <sney> bullseye is the codename for the next
debian release
1899[21:29:48] <somiaj> format_c: Debian's security tracker
will let you know the status of any know CVEs, this way you can
clearly track any CVEs and there current state in debian.
1900[21:29:50] <sney> it's not out yet. if you're
running it on a production server, that's somewhat risky
1901[21:30:55] <somiaj> format_c: are you running exim4 from
backports?
1902[21:31:14] <format_c> I guess not. let me check
1903[21:31:32] <somiaj> format_c: what is the output of 'apt
policy exim4' if you care to share at paste.debian.net
1906[21:34:42] <greycat> So when you said you were using 4.94.2
that was just made up?
1907[21:34:44] <sney> I wonder where you saw 4.94.2 then, but
that's debian 10 and it has the security fix according to
replaced-url
1908[21:34:56] <sney> you should remove those stretch sources,
too.
1909[21:35:00] <somiaj> format_c: you aren't running 4.92.2,
so that is why we were confused. You are running the stable version,
which as we showed you is fully patched against those issues.
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1912[21:35:45] <greycat> maybe they've got 2 or more
machine, and they mixed them up...
1913[21:36:15] <format_c> Sorry paste error. Version got upgraded
to Debian version 4.92-8+deb10u6
1914[21:36:38] <greycat> !security faq
1915[21:36:39] <dpkg> "The most important guideline when
making a new package that fixes a security problem is to make as few
changes as possible. ... moving to a new upstream version is not a
good solution, instead the relevant changes should be
backported."
replaced-url
1916[21:36:56] <format_c> Just read that the upstream version is
4.94.2 where the issues are fixed
1923[21:41:56] <format_c> I see 17 of the affected CVE's
being fixed in the Debian version
1924[21:42:00] <format_c> 21 have been reported
1925[21:42:08] <format_c> see which are missing
1926[21:42:47] <somiaj> format_c: the one I shared with your
originally didn't effect debian so thus it wasn't needed
to be fixed, so you'll either find that debian wasn't
affected or due to the threat decided a fix wasn't needed.
2012[23:07:00] <Hash> So if stable is frozen, and dovecot has
seurity issue, dire, which needs fix, go from 2.2 to 2.3, does
stable still force an update on you in Debian?
2028[23:18:12] <sney> Hash: it is *extremely* rare for stable to
get full version upgrades. if it's required due to a dire
security issue, then it could happen, but it's much more likely
that the debian package will receive a cherry-picked patch from the
upstream release, rather than the whole thing
2029[23:18:16] <sney> !security faq
2030[23:18:16] <dpkg> "The most important guideline when
making a new package that fixes a security problem is to make as few
changes as possible. ... moving to a new upstream version is not a
good solution, instead the relevant changes should be
backported."
replaced-url
2035[23:26:39] <ryouma> there are a few packages whose purpose is
to get the latest. and only a couple of packages that upgrade
instead of backporting security issues.
2036[23:28:11] <ryouma> i am not sure but e.g. w3m-el-snapshot,
firefox-esr might meet those criteria. idk what firefox does about
its companion add-on packages.
2037[23:28:56] <Hash> Hang on guys, brb. Thanks for info
2043[23:32:40] <ryouma> but to answer your security question,
debian is big on security so you will get upgrades for those.
usually in the backport form that preserves your version.
2044[23:34:07] <longshot> Is it possible to pass a preseed file
to debootstrap?