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0[00:00:07] <Antares> русские есть?
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1[00:00:19] <Antares> а девченки?
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5[00:02:45] <jelly> !ru
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6[00:02:46] <dpkg> Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста,
говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian
(irc.freenode.net) (Russian speakers please go to #debian-russian)
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12[00:04:50] <jvelasquez> my fresh copy of debian 9, gives an
error when I load my word processor: vi: error while loading shared
libraries: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libm.so.6: invalid ELF header
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14[00:05:27] <jvelasquez> libm.so.6 is a pointer to
libm-2.24.so, which has some text in it.
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16[00:05:52] <jvelasquez> what did I forget to install?
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18[00:06:00] <jvelasquez> ld? libc6?
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24[00:08:28] <Eduard_Munteanu> jvelasquez, when you try to
start vi?
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26[00:08:46] <teclo-> that's weird jvelasquez
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28[00:09:08] <teclo-> if vi is there and you installed it using
aptitude properly, all the dependencies should be there
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29[00:09:21] <Eduard_Munteanu> Text would be normal for a
linker script, some libraries are wired like that. But some other
linkers can't read it.
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67[00:14:30] <jelly> jvelasquez: which word processor is it?
What's the full path to the binary? What does "ldd
/full/path/to/that/binary" say?
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76[00:18:11] <jvelasquez> jelly, 12 lines.
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77[00:18:47] <jelly> I don't see how that answers any of
my 3 questions. Sorry.
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80[00:19:16] <jvelasquez> jelly, ldd `which vi`, says: vdso,
libm, libtinfo, selinux, acl, gpm, dl, c, ld-linux, pcre, attr,
pthread
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81[00:19:42] <jelly> pastebin the full output, please, and
expand that `whcih vi` for us
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82[00:19:46] <jelly> !paste
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83[00:19:46] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this
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90[00:21:23] <jvelasquez>
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93[00:22:03] <Violinist> vim
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152[00:48:49] <mgood7123_> or use bpaste.net
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163[00:52:46] <mgood7123_> n im guessing it is cus libm-2.24.so
is a corrupted library based on invalid elf header but i could be
wrong
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174[00:56:51] <mgood7123_> u could do dpkg -S
/path/to/libm-2.2.so to find out what package that library belongs
to, for example dpkg -S /lib/libhandle.so.1 tells me that the
library /lib/libhandle.so.1 belongs to the package xfsprogs (and you
can put more then one path in there aswell like dpkg -S
/path/to/library1.so /path/to/library2.so and so on
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180[00:58:51] <jvelasquez> mgood7123_, yea. it's part of
libc6
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181[00:58:51] <mgood7123_> it also works for symlinks to the
library as long as the symlinks are valid (if ls -l
/path/to/symlink.so is grey background with red text that means the
symlink is invalid in wich the file it is pointing to does not
exist)
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183[00:59:38] <jvelasquez> but i think if I had build-essentials
or some that ld might be able to link libm from other libs on demand
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185[00:59:48] <jvelasquez> mgood7123_, what's in your libm?
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186[01:00:21] <jvelasquez> cat /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libm-*
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187[01:00:26] <jelly> jvelasquez: if you have debsums installed,
run "debsums libc6:amd64"
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188[01:00:42] <jvelasquez> did that yesterday
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190[01:00:47] <jvelasquez> it's fine
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191[01:01:06] <jvelasquez> jelly, what does your libm look like?
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194[01:01:33] <jelly> like a million dollars! What would it look
like, it's a file
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195[01:01:53] <jelly> jvelasquez: dpkg -l libc6:amd64 | tail -n
1, which version do you have installed?
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198[01:02:18] <jvelasquez> 2.23
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199[01:02:29] <jvelasquez> err, 2.24
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201[01:02:33] <jvelasquez> something like that
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203[01:02:37] <jelly> it's not just 2.24
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205[01:03:03] <jelly> show the exact value
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208[01:03:22] <jelly> or paste the whole line verbatim
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209[01:03:24] <jvelasquez> dpkg-query: error: failed to open
package info file '/var/lib/dpkg/status' for reading: No
such file or directory
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210[01:03:30] <jelly> ouch
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212[01:04:06] <mgood7123_> wich can be fixed with ln -s
/path/that/symlink/will/point/to /path/to/symlink for example ln -s
/newfile /n will create a symlink /n that points to /newfile (note
it will give error if the symlink already exists)
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213[01:04:14] <jelly> jvelasquez: your filesystem is corrupted.
Possibly a hw issue (could be bad RAM or power supply, not
necessarily bad disk)
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215[01:04:31] <jvelasquez> jelly, I just installed it again a
minute ago.
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217[01:04:44] <jvelasquez> actually, it's still installing
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218[01:04:54] <groenne> lol
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219[01:04:59] <jelly> jvelasquez:
'/var/lib/dpkg/status' is main dpkg database, if
that's gone missing, you have issues.
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220[01:05:13] <jvelasquez> actually, it is there
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221[01:05:27] <jvelasquez> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 255417 May 31
23:01 status
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223[01:05:50] <jelly> so... what does "dpkg -l libc6:amd64
| tail -n 1" say?
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224[01:05:55] <jvelasquez> strange, now the command works
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225[01:05:57] <jvelasquez> ii libc6:amd64 2.24-10 amd64 GNU C
Library: Shared libraries
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226[01:06:15] <jelly> and which command did you do when
"dpkg-query: error: failed to open package info file
'/var/lib/dpkg/status' for reading: No such file or
directory" happened?
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228[01:06:25] <jvelasquez> jelly, same command
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230[01:06:51] <jvelasquez> but I was reinstalling the whole
thing, it's still going, ohh just finished.
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231[01:06:56] <jelly> jvelasquez: is there anything weird in
dmesg (or last 200 lines of it, if there's too much)?
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234[01:07:32] <jvelasquez> dmesg? that's going to give me
the host's information.
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235[01:07:38] <jvelasquez> instead of the chroot's
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237[01:07:57] <mgood7123_> mine is ii libc6:amd64 2.24-10 amd64
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238[01:08:07] <jvelasquez> is that sid?
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239[01:08:18] <jelly> yes, at this point I'm considering
something may be weird with hardware, and kernel may show clues
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240[01:08:39] <mgood7123_> apart from that libm does not seem to
exist even when i do dpkg -l libm*
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241[01:08:47] <jelly> mgood7123_: that's normal.
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243[01:08:57] <jvelasquez> its dpkg -L libc6
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245[01:09:32] <jelly> jvelasquez: does /usr/bin/vi work now?
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246[01:09:51] <mgood7123_> /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libm.so.6
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248[01:10:10] <jvelasquez> jelly, here, you can install it too:
replaced-url
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249[01:10:29] <mgood7123_> /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libm-2.24.so
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250[01:10:32] <jvelasquez> jelly, yep. vi works!
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251[01:10:38] <jelly> there's no chance in hell I'm
going to run that
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254[01:11:01] <jelly> jvelasquez: so something managed to
corrupt at least that one file
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255[01:11:07] <jvelasquez> no.
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256[01:11:16] <jelly> or you have hw issues, which is worse
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257[01:11:23] <jvelasquez> all I did different was add
build-essential
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261[01:11:54] <jelly> or your environment is very weird and
makes it look like there are corrupted files and/or hw issues
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262[01:12:11] <jvelasquez> you can see I added build-essential
to line 92
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263[01:12:16] <cafuego> step 1: `dmesg`
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265[01:12:43] * jelly asked for dmesg 10 minutes ago
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267[01:13:02] <mgood7123_> if a package as <none> does
that mean it is not installed
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269[01:13:33] <jelly> jvelasquez: reinstalling may have masked
this symptom for now, but you don't know the cause for that
corruption
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270[01:13:34] <jvelasquez> mgood7123_, mean's it's not
part of a package. but maybe created by a script
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271[01:13:50] <jvelasquez> jelly, i think i do.
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272[01:13:51] <mgood7123_> ok
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274[01:14:14] <jvelasquez> jelly, ld builds that lib on first
use, but needs build-essential to do it
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275[01:14:14] <jelly> installing other packages does not cause
corruption in libc6
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276[01:14:42] <mgood7123_> on my system /usr/bin/vi ->
/etc/alternatives/vi, /etc/alternatives/vi -> /usr/bin/vim.gtk
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277[01:14:53] <jelly> jvelasquez: uh... no, ld is a build-time
linker, it's not called during runtime
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279[01:15:21] <jelly> jvelasquez: and build-essential is _not_
needed for any libc6 component to work
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280[01:15:36] <mgood7123_> vim-gtk: /usr/bin/vim.gtk
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281[01:15:53] <jelly> and installing unrelated packages would
not touch any files provided in libc6:amd64 package, normally
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282[01:15:54] <mgood7123_> ii vim-gtk 2:8.0.0197-3 amd64 Vi
IMproved - enhanced vi editor
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283[01:16:10] <jvelasquez> jelly, yes it is. libm is repackaged
using an ld build script.
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284[01:16:22] <mgood7123_> -L does not provide any libraries for
it...
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285[01:16:24] <jelly> jvelasquez: repackaged by whom?
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286[01:16:29] <jvelasquez> packaged from two other libraries
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287[01:16:38] <jvelasquez> according to the build script
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289[01:16:53] <groenne> mgood7123_, heresy
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290[01:17:12] <jelly> jvelasquez: you're not building glibc
here.
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291[01:17:27] <mgood7123_> only /usr/bin/vim.gtk
/usr/share/bug/vim-gtk/presubj /usr/share/bug/vim-gtk/script
/usr/share/lintian/overrides/vim-gtk and /usr/share/doc/vim-gtk
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292[01:17:49] <jelly> jvelasquez: installation of packages does
not involve any building, either. These files are pre-built.
That's how binary package distros work...
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293[01:17:54] <mgood7123_> is that normal?
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295[01:18:12] <jelly> jvelasquez: what build script are you
talking about, precisely?
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297[01:18:48] <jvelasquez> jelly, the ld build script. but I
already built it. now I dont have it anymore.
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298[01:18:59] <jelly> jvelasquez: what ld build script?
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299[01:19:00] <jvelasquez> it's only three lines long
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300[01:19:09] <jelly> build script for what?
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304[01:20:02] <mgood7123_> also how would i deal with multiple
symlinks to the same file name but of different versions
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305[01:20:28] <jelly> jvelasquez: debootstrap will install libc6
as part of base system. It doesn't tamper with its files.
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306[01:20:29] <mgood7123_> for example libc.so.6 and libc.so.4
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308[01:21:03] <mgood7123_> assuming both point to different
versions of libc.so
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309[01:21:05] <jvelasquez> jelly:
replaced-url
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311[01:21:59] <jelly> jvelasquez: that's a symlink, part of
libc6-dev package, and this symlink is not used by /usr/bin/vi
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313[01:22:24] <jvelasquez> no. it's a 4 line text file.
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314[01:22:52] <jelly> oh, that's new
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317[01:23:30] <jelly> jvelasquez: is it that way in Debian, tho?
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319[01:23:46] <jvelasquez> yes
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321[01:24:21] <mgood7123_> how would i deal with multiple
symlinks to the same file name but of different versions, for
example libc.so.6 and libc.so.4 both point to different versions of
libc.so
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326[01:24:55] <jelly> mgood7123_: you wouldn't have to deal
with them.
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327[01:24:57] <jvelasquez> mgood7123_, those files are vital to
your os
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328[01:25:21] <mgood7123_> then assume the lib is a non vital
lib
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329[01:25:27] <jvelasquez> mgood7123_, make a virtual machine of
it all, and then mess around with the virt
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332[01:27:14] <mgood7123_> for example... /rootv6/lib/libEve.so
and /rootv5/lib/libEve.so
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335[01:27:24] <n_blownapart> hello I have deleted all files
including hidden files related to haskell-stack, but when I do $
locate stack, stack hidden files and stack files in Downloads are
outputted. I closed term, also tried rebooting. still they show up
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338[01:27:55] <jvelasquez> n_blownapart, updatedb
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339[01:28:05] <jvelasquez> n_blownapart, will update the locate
tool
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340[01:28:29] <mgood7123_> have u tried find /* | grep
"files_related_to_haskell_stack" ?
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342[01:29:20] <n_blownapart> mgood7123_, jvelasquez thanks
checking that
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343[01:29:33] <mgood7123_> note iw will take a VERY long time as
it needs to go through every single directory, folder, subdirectory
and sub folder
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344[01:29:37] <mgood7123_> it*
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346[01:30:15] <mgood7123_> but it can be shortened if u happen
to know the directories in wich the files might be contained in
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347[01:30:21] <jelly> jvelasquez:
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libm.so is still just a script here, and
/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libm-2.24.so is not changed after installing
libc6-dev:amd64
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349[01:30:52] <n_blownapart> $ updatedb updatedb: can not open a
temporary file for '/var/lib/mlocate/mlocate.db'
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350[01:31:22] <jvelasquez> jelly, you mean you have it too now?
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352[01:31:39] <jvelasquez> n_blownapart, goot rot?
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353[01:31:59] <jelly> jvelasquez: I just installed
libc6-dev:amd64. And it did not touch or change the file from
libc6:amd64.
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355[01:32:09] <at0m|c> n_blownapart: locate -e to show
--existing
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356[01:32:23] <at0m|c> or updatedb as root ^^
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357[01:32:53] <jelly> jvelasquez: so... I have no idea what
managed to munge /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libm-2.24.so on your end
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358[01:33:21] <jvelasquez> remove build-essential from line 92
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359[01:33:26] <jelly> this should not happen
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361[01:34:59] <mgood7123_> how would i deal with multiple
symlinks to the same file name but of different versions, for
example libEve.so.8.0 and libEve.so.1.0 both point to different
versions of libEve.so located in these directories
/rootCurrent/lib/libEve.so and /rootOLD/lib/libEve.so and only one
of them can be symlinked to usr folder at a time, how would i make
it so both can be symlinked at the same time but not conflict due to
version differences
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364[01:35:22] <n_blownapart> still trying to interpret your
advice , thanks
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365[01:36:31] <mgood7123_> and what should i do in the case that
the path is hard linked in the binary as /usr/lib/libEve.so
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366[01:36:37] <jelly> mgood7123_: that's not how libraries
work on linux. You wouldn't have libEve.so.8.0 and
libEve.so.1.0 both point to different versions of libEve.so
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370[01:37:24] <jelly> mgood7123_: if your library's
versions have different, incompatible ABIs, they should have
different SONAME
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373[01:38:11] <jelly> mgood7123_: and when they have a different
SONAME, those symlinks generated by ldconfig will each point to
their own
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375[01:38:15] <mgood7123_> technically libEve.so is in two
different locations as i mentioned above but obviously they cannot
occupy the same folder WITHOUT having different file names
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376[01:38:50] <doc|work> Hi, using debian under
kubernetes+docker I get 'unknown filesystem type
glusterfs' on boot, but it works fine when I use mount. Anyone
know what might cause that?
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377[01:38:50] <jelly> mgood7123_: if you have two incompatible
lib versions with same soname, then your vendor is an idiot
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378[01:38:59] <mgood7123_> lmao
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379[01:39:55] <jelly> mgood7123_: and you probably
shouldn't symlink any of those into /usr/lib namespace use for
packaged stuff
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381[01:40:18] <jelly> that's what /usr/local/lib is for I
guess
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383[01:41:19] <mgood7123_> for example libEve.so version 10 may
be compatible with the package "root" version 10 but may
also not be compatible with the package "root" version 5
and vice versa libEve.so (version 5) may be compatible with
"root" version 5 but not with "root" version 10
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385[01:41:46] <jelly> mgood7123_: debian solves this by a) using
different soname when ABI changes, and b) naming actual files
libEve-10.so and libEve-5.so
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386[01:42:23] <mgood7123_> i know but in the case that the path
is hardcoded into the binary itself how would i address that
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387[01:42:39] <jelly> mgood7123_: what does "ldd
/path/to/10/root" actually say?
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391[01:43:02] <n_blownapart> $ sudo locate updatedb . Then $
locate stack , I still get hidden files outputted : ~/.stack
~/.stack-work ~/stack.yaml ~/.local/bin/stack ... In ~/.local/bin
there is nothing at all . how can that be coming up with $ locate
stack ?
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393[01:44:12] <n_blownapart> there are no hidden files with
.stack after I do $ ls -a
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395[01:45:00] <jelly> n_blownapart: does "locate
stack" really show lines of output with ~ character in them?
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396[01:45:31] <mgood7123_> how do i find out what files are used
in a lib
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399[01:46:26] <n_blownapart> no is that incorrect shorthand for
my home dir? /home/john/.stack is the output jelly
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400[01:46:37] <jelly> mgood7123_: ldd works on so library files
as well.
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403[01:47:12] <n_blownapart> /home/john/.stack-work etc
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404[01:47:17] <jelly> n_blownapart: alright then. And what does
ls -la /home/john/.local/bin/ say?
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406[01:47:31] <jelly> !paste
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407[01:47:31] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this
channel. Instead, use:
replaced-url
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409[01:48:02] <n_blownapart> one moment please jelly
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411[01:48:27] <jelly> n_blownapart: note that "sudo locate
updatedb" didn't update anything, it tried to find files
with substring "updatedb" in current locate database.
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412[01:48:36] <mgood7123_> say the package xpdtest has
libProof.so as a hardcodded path (wich in ldd gives libProof.so
=> not found)
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413[01:48:58] <mgood7123_> and both the package and lib are
version 10
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415[01:49:22] <jelly> n_blownapart: you probably wanted to run
"sudo /etc/cron.daily/locate" or even "sudo
updatedb"
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417[01:49:50] <jelly> mgood7123_: please show the full output of
ldd and the command itself
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418[01:49:55] <jelly> in a pastebin.
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419[01:49:59] <n_blownapart> jelly
replaced-url
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421[01:50:21] <mutante> jelly: it's 2 separate commands.
first "updatedb" by itself to update the index. and then
"locate something" to search it
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422[01:50:37] <jelly> mutante: that's not what they wrote
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426[01:51:06] <jelly> <n_blownapart> $ sudo locate
updatedb . Then $ locate stack , I still get hidden files outputted
[...]
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427[01:51:08] <mutante> jelly: yea, and as you wrote what they
wrote didn't work, so i wrote what should work instead
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429[01:51:15] <mgood7123_>
replaced-url
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430[01:51:18] <petemc> just learn to use find
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432[01:51:27] <jelly> find is slow
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433[01:51:43] <n_blownapart> but I'm getting output for
files that are *not* in the directories at all.
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434[01:52:06] <jelly> n_blownapart: that's because
locate's database is out of date
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436[01:52:31] <jelly> n_blownapart: your command to update
locate's cache was incorrect, see above
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438[01:52:42] <petemc> find may be slow but it's generally
always available
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440[01:52:53] <petemc> so worth learning
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442[01:53:41] <petemc> not that i dont think you dont know that,
jelly
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443[01:53:55] <jelly> mgood7123_: thne you call xpd with
LD_LIBRARY_PATH set to the directory where correct copies of its
libs are stored
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445[01:53:58] <n_blownapart> jelly oh the dot? ok one sec
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446[01:54:02] <petemc> also, you're up late
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447[01:54:16] <jelly> that is true
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448[01:54:22] <jelly> woke up too early
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449[01:54:31] <jelly> (yes)
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450[01:54:34] <petemc> :)
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451[01:54:50] <fggfgfg> ps aux shows a SCREEN process from a
month ago, why is it upper case? what does it mean?
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453[01:55:23] <jelly> mgood7123_: try:
"LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/path/where/10/lib/is ldd ./xpdtest"
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455[01:55:34] <jelly> mgood7123_: just the directory
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460[01:56:47] <jelly> fggfgfg: this is the master process
that's keeping one of your screen sessions alive. You can list
screen sessions with "screen -ls"
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462[01:57:03] <Cyb3r-Assassin> anyone have sources.list
available or write up to install a php5 based LAMP setup on a
current Jessie system?
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464[01:57:30] <jelly> dpkg, tell Cyb3r-Assassin about jessie
sources.list
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467[01:58:01] <n_blownapart> frustrating ! still getting those
files
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468[01:58:07] <jelly> n_blownapart: you probably wanted to run
"sudo /etc/cron.daily/locate" or even "sudo
updatedb"
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469[01:58:44] <Cyb3r-Assassin> jelly: that doesn't have to
do with providing a repo rsync string with a depricated packages.
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470[01:58:46] <wr> how can i see all file changes made between a
time period on debian 8.8?
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471[01:59:00] <jelly> Cyb3r-Assassin: rsync?
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472[01:59:13] <jelly> deprecated what?
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473[01:59:19] <fggfgfg> jelly 20925.pts-0.ns3067615 (03/05/17
23:04:23) (Detached) <- can I see if it's running something?
I don't think it's' being used for anything but I
want to make sure before I kill it
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474[01:59:23] <n_blownapart> jelly thanks you RULE. sudo
updatedb worked. I thought it required the command itself: locate.
thanks!
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475[01:59:40] <Cyb3r-Assassin> jelly: that's how the
packagemanager is going to sync the meta package list.
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476[02:00:00] <Cyb3r-Assassin> jelly: php5 is depricated package
source.
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478[02:00:08] <jelly> fggfgfg: you can get back into that
session ("reattach") it with "screen -r"
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480[02:00:12] <jelly> ,v php5
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481[02:00:13] <judd> Package: php5 on amd64 -- wheezy:
5.4.45-0+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 5.4.45-0+deb7u8; jessie:
5.6.30+dfsg-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 5.6.30+dfsg-0+deb8u1
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483[02:00:25] <jelly> Cyb3r-Assassin: php 5.6 is available in
jessie.
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484[02:00:51] <jvelasquez> wr, find -cmin +20 -cmin -20
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486[02:01:12] <petemc> i think not
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487[02:01:19] <Cyb3r-Assassin> jelly: not seeing it. it only
wants to recognize php7
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490[02:01:29] <jelly> Cyb3r-Assassin: then you're not on
jessie
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491[02:01:39] <jelly> Cyb3r-Assassin: pastebin the output of
"apt-cache policy"
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493[02:01:55] <jelly> !paste
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494[02:01:56] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this
channel. Instead, use:
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496[02:02:31] <Cyb3r-Assassin> jelly: no its Ubuntu, I was told
it was Debian but they stood up ubuntu
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498[02:02:58] <jelly> Cyb3r-Assassin: ask in #ubuntu or
#ubuntu-server then
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499[02:03:12] <jelly> or find the right server
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502[02:05:44] <Cyb3r-Assassin> jelly: be easier to ask on ubuntu
and patch this box. Someone already did other stuff on it so I
can't put in a ticket for a new one.
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503[02:06:05] <Cyb3r-Assassin> and must be operational bu
morning anyways.
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504[02:06:14] <doc|work> anyone?
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509[02:08:07] <jvelasquez> hey jelly. so you know that
debootstrap image I made?
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510[02:08:34] <Cyb3r-Assassin> jelly:
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511[02:08:38] <jvelasquez> jelly, the one with the weird libm
issue? the libm issue that was resolved after I rebuilt the whole
thing?
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512[02:09:28] <jvelasquez> jelly, so I put it on a usb drive and
went to use it. and it worked. Then I used it again, the libm was
messed up again!
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514[02:10:05] <jvelasquez> jelly, I'm going to repeat the
whole procedure a few times. fixing it, and watching it break.
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528[02:14:35] <jelly> doc|work: no, but stupid workaround might
be to force module loading via /etc/modules, or even before, add it
to initramfs
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531[02:15:28] <jelly> doc|work: assuming it has a kernel module
of its own
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533[02:15:50] <doc|work> jelly, it's running under docker,
so my guess would be it loads modules from the parent node. Would
that be right?
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535[02:16:30] <jelly> no idea, I think docker is just containers
so no control of kernel or modules loading?
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536[02:16:35] <doc|work> right
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538[02:16:44] <doc|work> I think that's the case anyway
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540[02:17:14] <doc|work> I've been banging my head against
this crap for weeks (side project)
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549[02:21:15] <foul_owl> Hi folks. Having an issue where
rhythmbox doesn't save song ratings. I checked and rating are
part of the id3 tag spec:
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552[02:21:43] <foul_owl> It saves it when I close and open it,
but doesn't save it in the file itself.
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555[02:22:19] <foul_owl> ie, migrating from one system to
another. I know I can dump the rhythmbox db, but sometimes that
won't work (ie, had errors before about version issues doing
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558[02:24:19] <NapoleonWils0n> hi all
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559[02:24:31] <NapoleonWils0n> just go an error with unbound dns
server
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560[02:24:34] <NapoleonWils0n> /var/lib/unbound/root.key has
content
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561[02:24:42] <NapoleonWils0n> fail: the anchor is NOT ok and
could not be fixed
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562[02:25:36] <NapoleonWils0n> is it the dnssec package that
updates the root.key
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566[02:27:47] <rjsalts> unbound-anchor
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567[02:27:48] <NapoleonWils0n> cant i just download a new
root.key, or is there a update root key command
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569[02:28:37] <NapoleonWils0n> i dont seem to have an
unbound-anchor command
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571[02:29:18] <NapoleonWils0n> strange says its installed
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572[02:29:19] <rjsalts> NapoleonWils0n: the unbound-anchor
package is a dependency of unbound
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573[02:29:33] <NapoleonWils0n> ah probably need to be sudo first
doh
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574[02:29:55] <rjsalts> NapoleonWils0n: it will be in /usr/sbin,
which won't be in your path unless you're running as root
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575[02:30:32] <NapoleonWils0n> yep needed to switch to sudo
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577[02:30:43] <NapoleonWils0n> #unbound-anchor
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578[02:30:57] <NapoleonWils0n> then restarted unbound and no
error
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581[02:31:03] <NapoleonWils0n> panic over
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582[02:31:36] <NapoleonWils0n> been trying s3cmd to upload to
amazon s3 buckets
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583[02:31:50] <NapoleonWils0n> couldnt get awscli to work
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590[02:33:22] <rjsalts> KSK rollover doesn't happen until
October
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608[02:40:02] <brenobc> Helo, I am using squid with tproxy in
bridge mode, but the traffic is coming in always goes out through
the gateway, has anyone had this problem?
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620[02:49:20] <mgood7123_> seems like CDE can make any installed
package self contained 0.0
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621[02:49:38] <jvelasquez> how can I monitor a file?
/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libm-2.24.so ? to watch for a process that
edits it?
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622[02:49:46] <mgood7123_>
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629[02:53:08] <jvelasquez> how big are output packages?
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632[02:53:52] <johnjay> which is the more modern video player,
mpv or mplayer or mplayer2?
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633[02:53:59] <johnjay> I have all 3 of those in my repo
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642[02:58:07] <mgood7123_> my entire life has been defeated x.x
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643[02:59:13] <jelly> johnjay, mpv if you're on jessie; mpv
and mplayer is back again, if on stretch, apparently
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644[02:59:29] <jelly> mplayer2 is out for the play
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645[02:59:51] <johnjay> ok, apt told me "switching to
mplayer2" but when I googled for that it says it's a stale
fork
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646[02:59:53] <johnjay> thanks
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647[03:00:15] <jelly> mpv also has support for youtube-dl which
is sometimes nice
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660[03:14:25] <jvelasquez> there's got to a somekind of
syscall filter that will pause a tree of processes upon requesting a
destructive operation on a particular file huh?
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668[03:18:44] <mgood7123_> this is as far as iv gotten but NOW
it is all for nothing ;-;
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681[03:25:05] <mgood7123_> it meant to download and install any
specified package into
/Programs/PackageName/PackageVersion/PackageArch then symlink the
files to /usr if it is unable to ld certain stuff
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682[03:26:00] <mgood7123_> like what gobolinux does but instead
of compiling from source it installs them directly
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684[03:26:36] <mgood7123_> gobolinux.org
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686[03:27:19] <mgood7123_> but who tf cares cus CDE just
eliminates all of that ;-;
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689[03:29:46] <johnjay> hmm I tried playing a youtube video with
mpv. It said Opengl context creation failed and Xvideo doesn't
exist. Is that bad?
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694[03:35:02] <mgood7123_> but anyone can just do <download
package they want then install package> CDE <installed
package> <remove downloaded package and repeat>
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696[03:35:06] <mgood7123_> cus*
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698[03:35:16] <mgood7123_> download*
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700[03:35:36] <fadavi> hello. please help me to solve these
errors:
replaced-url
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719[03:54:18] <johnjay> What is the correct way to add a script
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insserv
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740[04:07:59] <econdudeawesome> howdy all. I'm back with
tales of unrecovered data woes. I overwrote a partition table with
gparted (didn't check carefully) and am looking to recover the
files. It was NTFS, reformatted to FAT32. Any advice?
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742[04:08:22] <econdudeawesome> I think I may be lucky in that I
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745[04:09:49] <nine_milli> hi, i would like to use debian as a
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smart refridgerators
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747[04:10:47] <jvelasquez> johnjay, what version are you
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748[04:11:12] <johnjay> jesse
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796[04:52:26] <nolsen> Does anyone know where to get the default
conf of dhcpcd.conf again? I edited by hand, borked it, and now my
pi has no internet.
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798[04:52:56] <tx> /etc/dhcpd.conf ?
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799[04:52:56] <tx> iirc
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800[04:53:20] <nolsen> tx: Yup.
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801[04:53:32] <tx> oh, where to get the default one
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802[04:53:36] <tx> sorry, I thought you asked where it was :P
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804[04:53:56] <johnjay> want mine nolsen ?
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805[04:54:04] <johnjay> i just started using my pi today
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806[04:54:13] <nolsen> johnjay: yea.
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807[04:54:43] <tx> nolsen: just use "apt-get source
isc-dhcp-server"
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808[04:54:50] <tx> get the package source file, the conf is in
there
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810[04:55:04] <johnjay> i just added a line at the bottom about
denying wlan0 from starting:
replaced-url
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811[04:55:16] <johnjay> also i'm on a rpi right now so idk
if that is the same for main debian
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813[04:55:38] <johnjay> tx: i can't even begin to
articulate how you would know something like that. :D
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814[04:55:50] <tx> packages have source files
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815[04:55:54] <tx> apt-get can get you source files
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816[04:56:12] <tx> it will extract it for you too, and will make
something like isc-dhcp-4.x.x
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817[04:56:15] <tx> as a dir
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818[04:57:00] <tx> conf is in that dir
/server/dhcpd.conf.example
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819[04:57:36] <johnjay> my system tells me that /etc/dhcpcd.conf
comes from the dhcpcd5 package
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820[04:57:43] <tx> ah cool
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821[04:57:46] <tx> grab that package then :)
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823[04:58:03] <johnjay> well i'm not the one who needs it
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824[04:58:09] <tx> oh right lol
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825[04:58:18] <tx> well, those two packages have it
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826[04:58:32] <johnjay> my point is it would be more useful to
tell him to use 'apt-file search dhdpcd.conf' than to say
a package name which might be incorrect
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828[04:58:40] <tx> true, my bad.
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829[04:58:59] <johnjay> i will admit though i can also download
isc-dhcp-server on my system.
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830[04:59:04] <johnjay> so you're not worng
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831[04:59:04] <johnjay> *wrong
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832[04:59:17] <tx> nolsen: can you do a 'dpkg -l dhcp'
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833[04:59:23] <tx> er
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834[04:59:27] <tx> " dpkg -l | grep dhcp "
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836[05:04:27] <nolsen> tx: My pi is headless mode, don't
have a usb keyboard for it.
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837[05:04:51] <nolsen> Also, I checked the console using hdmi,
and dhcp failed to start.
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838[05:04:58] <johnjay> ah nolsen is a pi user
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840[05:05:27] <nolsen> Trying to see where does systemctl store
its logs.
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848[05:08:51] <FinnM> go /join maristchat
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850[05:09:01] <FinnM> go /join maristchat for the time of your
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851[05:09:12] <FinnM> go /join maristchat just do it i need
friends to talk to
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854[05:11:51] <nolsen> dhcpcd.service: control process exited,
code=exited status=1
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855[05:12:46] <nolsen> tx: Where does dhcpcd store its logs?
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856[05:13:01] <nine_milli> debhelper: if there’s any
portion of your cpu that can still op this channel take these chats
with you…
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862[05:15:08] <nolsen> .-.
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864[05:16:13] <yaomtc> Does anyone here use radicale?
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865[05:16:27] <psychoticwarrior> never heard of it
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866[05:16:38] <yaomtc> it's a calendar server written in
python
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867[05:16:56] <yaomtc> Radicale is a small but powerful CalDAV
(calendars, todo-lists) and CardDAV (contacts) server
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868[05:17:08] <yaomtc> it's in the Debian repos
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871[05:17:33] <yaomtc> I tried to get Davical working, but
couldn't. Heard Radicale was simpler. Not really.
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872[05:17:50] <nolsen> Does anyone know where does systemctl
stores its logs so I can fix the damn dhcpcd and get online.
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873[05:18:26] <yaomtc> journalctl -u thing.service --since today
for example
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875[05:18:45] <yaomtc> (command doesn't include "for
example" obv)
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877[05:19:09] <yaomtc> not exactly the answer to your question
but it's a way to read the log anywho
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879[05:20:43] <nolsen> yaomtc: The actual location.
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880[05:20:54] <nolsen> because I cannot access the operating
system, because the lack of a usb keyboard.
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881[05:21:23] <tx> are you
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882[05:21:28] <tx> accessing this via the SD card?
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883[05:21:30] <tx> lol
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884[05:22:25] <nolsen> tx: Yes.
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885[05:22:38] <nolsen> And I cannot access it because I
don't have a USB keyboard.
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886[05:22:54] <nolsen> I use a laptop, not a desktop, so I lack
a USB keyboard.
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887[05:23:07] <nolsen> The only desktop keyboard I have, is a
PS/2 keyboard
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890[05:23:57] <yaomtc> anything in /var/log/messages?
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891[05:25:49] <nolsen> yaomtc: CTRL+F doesn't mention
anything about a dhcp
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characters not allowed in filenames in linux (ext4) i think?
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1041[07:37:29] <dedime> Has anyone ever had success using HTTPS
to load a preseed file during installation?
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1052[07:44:18] <k3rn3lwalk3r> i have a user buy which i run some
programs which i dont want to run as root what shell should i give
to that user?
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1053[07:44:28] <k3rn3lwalk3r> *user
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1055[07:44:59] <k3rn3lwalk3r> *i have a user by which i run
......
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1056[07:45:39] <dedime> Is it just a few programs? Or any
program, just not as root?
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1058[07:46:39] <k3rn3lwalk3r> the programs i dont want to run as
root , i.e whom i dont trust..
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1059[07:48:28] <k3rn3lwalk3r> like irc , freenet etc so i just
gksu -u username and program name
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1061[07:48:52] <k3rn3lwalk3r> as that user.
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1064[07:55:41] <Ben64> k3rn3lwalk3r: bash?
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1065[07:55:54] <dedime> I think adding a locked system user, with
only the groups needed to run the program, would be secure.
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1066[07:55:59] <dedime> so yeah, bash
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1068[07:57:48] <dedime> some people use /usr/sbin/nologin but
ymmv
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1069[07:57:50] <k3rn3lwalk3r> i also want to disable login to
that user
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1070[07:58:20] <k3rn3lwalk3r> but i want to be still able to run
cmds by that user is it posible
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1079[08:01:34] <dedime> I think so. You can lock the account
using sudo usermod -L <username> and login using sudo su
<username>
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1081[08:02:16] <dedime> basically you'd need root access to
login as that user, but regular login using passwords is disabled
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1082[08:02:32] <k3rn3lwalk3r> cool thats all i needed thanks
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1083[08:02:50] <dedime> np
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1085[08:04:20] <jmcnaught> k3rn3lwalk3r: have you tried firejail?
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1086[08:04:36] <k3rn3lwalk3r> no
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1087[08:04:39] <k3rn3lwalk3r> whats that
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1089[08:04:57] <k3rn3lwalk3r> dedime, does sudo usermod -L
<username> requires restart?
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1090[08:05:05] <jmcnaught>
replaced-url
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1091[08:05:18] <dedime> no
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1095[08:06:09] <jmcnaught> it looks useful for GUI programs, but
i've never tried it
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1099[08:06:42] <jmcnaught> if you want to do this for services,
look at the directives in "man systemd.exec" for ways to
isolate a service unit
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1100[08:07:00] <k3rn3lwalk3r> dedime, ok cool it worked
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1101[08:07:12] <dedime> wow i fixed something
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1102[08:07:13] <dedime> gj me
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1103[08:08:14] <k3rn3lwalk3r> hahaha gg
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1104[08:08:53] <k3rn3lwalk3r> jmcnaught, seems good i will have a
look
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1105[08:08:58] <k3rn3lwalk3r> thanks ya awl
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1117[08:16:12] <Aebian> if I set ClientAliveInterval 30 on my
sshd config I should be able to pass the IP change from my ISP
right? Problem is that the ISP changes my IP daily in the morning so
my SSH session will be lost as my connection is down for like 30
seconds to 1 minute or so but for example UDP stuff like teamspeak
doesn't care and stays connected
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replaced-url
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laptop, and dont have a linux system at hand. Im using RUFUS, an USB
with RC4 stretch netinstall but I keep getting the can't find
CDROM issue. Is there a way to fix this? I also tried DEBIAN LIVE
but keeps failing too...
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1165[08:47:38] <wyre> what do you think about that messages in
journal?
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1166[08:47:39] <wyre>
replaced-url
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1168[08:47:45] <wyre> could I fix them?
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1169[08:48:08] <wyre> or they are related with stretch stat of
testing?
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1186[09:01:15] <k3rn3lwalk3r> i have a folder with bulk of files
in it of different types(i.e pdf,jgg,png ) but ,all are named with
one extension .jpg how can i remame all of them by their orignal
extensions (i can find the type of file by cmd "file
filename.jgp)
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1193[09:02:18] <theraspberry> ludocode: It could be a BIOS
setting related with virtualizing USB's
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1195[09:03:11] <theraspberry> I know I've had issues
installing on poweredge servers while the emulation for USB storage
media was set to "Floppy Disk/Auto" instead of
"HardDrive"
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1197[09:03:49] <theraspberry> Run though the BIOS and start
trying things that might affect boot devices.
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1199[09:04:33] <theraspberry> I personally just rip the ISO
images straight to the USB, I never have used rufus to do that.
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1200[09:05:55] <theraspberry> If your system has secure boot,
turn that off if you can too. just to test.
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1219[09:21:05] <wyre> is not pepperflashplugin-nonfree in
stretch?
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1220[09:22:35] <at0m|c> ,v pepperflashplugin-nonfree
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1221[09:22:36] <judd> Package: pepperflashplugin-nonfree on amd64
-- wheezy-backports/contrib: 1.4~bpo60+1; jessie/contrib:
1.8.1+deb8u1; sid/contrib: 1.8.3+nmu1
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1222[09:23:59] <wyre> judd, then, ... how could I install it in
Stretch?
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1223[09:24:24] <at0m|c> wyre: judd us an info bot
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1224[09:24:27] <at0m|c> *is
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1226[09:24:34] <wyre> sorry xD
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1227[09:24:41] <wyre> I want ask you hehe
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1228[09:24:49] <wyre> I did want*
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1230[09:25:02] <at0m|c> i have no idea. only that judd stated the
available versions^
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1239[09:30:58] <wyre> at0m|c, and is not either chrome in repos?
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1240[09:31:15] <at0m|c> ,v chrome
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1241[09:31:16] <judd> No package named 'chrome' was
found in amd64.
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1242[09:31:21] <at0m|c> ,v chromium
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1243[09:31:22] <judd> Package: chromium on amd64 -- wheezy:
37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1;
jessie-security: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; jessie:
57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; stretch: 58.0.3029.81-1; sid: 58.0.3029.96-1;
experimental: 59.0.3071.71-1
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1244[09:31:29] <at0m|c> chrome is in google repo's?
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1245[09:32:13] <at0m|c> !chrome
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1246[09:32:13] <dpkg> from memory, chrome is Mozilla's term
for a theme or skin, or "Google Chrome", a web browser by
Google based on Chromium, ask me about <chromium>. For VIA
UniChrome / Chrome9 support, ask me about <openchrome>.
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1257[09:37:48] <wyre> at0m|c, what do you think about that?
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1258[09:37:55] <wyre> I've got installed the packages
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1264[09:40:50] <wyre> at0m|c, as you can see
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1265[09:40:51] <wyre>
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1270[09:42:31] <at0m|c>
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1279[09:46:48] <at0m|c> wyre: stretch isn't
finished/released yet, so maybe that package will come one of these.
can't make that up from
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1280[09:47:26] <wyre> at0m|c, it's a library
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1282[09:47:46] <at0m|c> wyre: yes, belonging to a package
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1283[09:48:08] <wyre> should belong to flashplayer-nonfree
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1284[09:48:25] <at0m|c> ,v flashplayer-nonfree
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1285[09:48:26] <judd> No package named
'flashplayer-nonfree' was found in amd64.
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1291[09:49:18] <pragomer> hi. Im under debian kde. I can start a
specific programm (in my case "bluefish") with a specific
gtk-theme via:
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1292[09:49:26] <pragomer> "GTK_THEME=Breeze-Dark
bluefish"
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1294[09:49:54] <pragomer> but if bluefish is called e.g. from
within filezilla the theme-choosing is ignored of course. can I
realize this somehow?
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1297[09:50:19] <hmpf> Hello!
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1298[09:50:19] <hmpf> I have a question about config files.
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1299[09:50:39] <pragomer> tell us your question
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1300[09:50:49] <wyre> at0m|c, flashplugin-nonfre i meant
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1302[09:50:52] <wyre> at0m|c, flashplugin-nonfree i meant
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1304[09:52:03] <hmpf> we're trying to set up a complete
system non-interactively. One issue that comes up is customizing
ocnfig files.
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1305[09:52:03] <hmpf> There is the site
replaced-url
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1306[09:52:03] <hmpf> But then I find
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1307[09:52:03] <hmpf> What is the proper thing to do.
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1312[09:53:28] <hmpf> sorry, server kicked me out for flooding.
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1313[09:53:40] <hmpf> so the question in shorter pieces:
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1314[09:53:45] <hmpf> we're trying to set up a complete
system non-interactively. One issue that comes up is customizing
ocnfig files.
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1315[09:53:49] <hmpf> There is the site
replaced-url
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1316[09:53:52] <hmpf> But then I find
replaced-url
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1317[09:53:56] <hmpf> What is the proper thing to do.
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1321[09:54:17] <hmpf> An example is lighttpd.conf. Or
dhcpcd.conf.
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1322[09:54:31] <wyre> i which package is included
libpepflashplayer.so?
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1323[09:54:49] <at0m|c> pragomer: bluefish also sources
~/.gtkrc-2.0
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1325[09:55:18] <pragomer> this config file is ingnored.. you can
set there whatever you want.
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1326[09:55:23] <pragomer> seams to be a bug.
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1327[09:56:01] <pragomer> however "GTK_THEME=Breeze-Dark
bluefish" as a starter works well for me... except when
bluefish is called from within filezilla
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1328[09:56:15] <pragomer> (where I can only define
/usr/bin/bluefish as default editor)
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1329[09:56:35] <at0m|c> pragomer: maybe more on
replaced-url
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1331[09:57:12] <at0m|c> or use an alias?
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1335[09:58:28] <pragomer> already tried that link. also this file
is ignored.
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1336[09:58:52] <pragomer> I thought about an alias.. but an alias
would only be for a terminal command, or not?
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1338[09:59:41] <pragomer> nope.. a simple alias in .bashrc does
not help
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1340[10:00:28] <pragomer> I already added GTK_THEME=Breeze-Dark
bluefish to the "exec" of the starter in
/usr/share/applications/bluefish.desktop
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1341[10:00:39] <pragomer> but no sucess
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1345[10:03:00] <sidetracking> my gf and my macbook pro :^)
replaced-url
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1348[10:04:10] <jobor> So who do I bother if I'd like to
have a package description changed (in this case
replaced-url
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1353[10:04:56] <neglesaks> I finally found out how to group
windows in the windows bar. it is set in tweak tool under extension,
which allows windows grouping. yay
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1372[10:14:11] <jelly> jobor: file a bug report, of Severity:
minor probably, against that package
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1373[10:14:19] <jelly> !reportbug
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1374[10:14:19] <dpkg> reportbug is used to submit bugs to the
Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. See
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1415[10:45:26] <hmpf> Can someone point me in the right direction
for non-interactive system config with packages?
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1420[10:47:41] <sine0> I have ssh on my debian server 22 want to
be able to access my home router .0.101 how do I setup a tunnel for
home.com:22 > 0.101 over ssh
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1424[10:49:49] <angor> sine0: debian has 2 IPs, local and
internet?
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1429[10:51:48] <angor> sine0: my home debian has local network
and internet connection, to access my local resources I'm using
DNAT, no need to use ssh-tunnels
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1438[10:54:48] <mast> I'm trying to diagnose frequent system
crashes on an system running 3.2.0.4 debian. I can't seem to
figure out if its related to frequent monit warnings due to space
usage limits on attached media drives, or CRON
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1440[10:55:20] <mast> the install partition is itself not full,
though some of the attached drives are
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1451[10:58:59] <jelly> mast: neither disk usage nor cron itself
would cause a crash
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1453[10:59:17] <jelly> is the system pingable after such a
"crash"?
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1454[10:59:20] <mast> That's what I'm confused about
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1456[10:59:41] <jelly> anything on the console?
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1458[10:59:51] <jelly> anything in logs after restart?
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1459[10:59:56] <mast> No response via ssh
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1460[11:00:06] <jelly> not ssh, ping
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1461[11:00:11] <jelly> and console.
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1462[11:00:15] <sine0> angor: i only have headless
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1463[11:00:48] <mast> Checking the logs shows a load of monit
warnings, and a message about Cron
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1464[11:01:18] <jobor> (Sorry to ask again, our quassel core
died.) Who do I bother when I'd like to have a package
description changed (replaced-url
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1466[11:01:41] <jelly> jobor: just file a bug report, with
reportbug
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1467[11:01:55] <jelly> !reportbug
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1468[11:01:55] <dpkg> reportbug is used to submit bugs to the
Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. See
replaced-url
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1470[11:02:12] <mast> I'm sorry I didn't think to check
ping. I will attempt to crash the system again and try that thanks
jelly
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1471[11:02:25] <jobor> jelly: ok, will do. Thanks.
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1479[11:05:39] <jelly> mast: did you check if there's
anything on its console?
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1500[11:17:41] <angor> sine0: PM me details, what exactly you
have
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1501[11:17:56] <mast> I didn't see anything helpful in the
syslog
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1502[11:18:11] <mast> jelly
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1504[11:19:07] <mast> Is this channel usually flooded with people
who have no idea what they're doing? Is there a better place
for me to ask basic questions? I'd rather not flood it with my
problems. I have been looking for resolutions to this for the past
45 min, though, without finding much help
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1506[11:20:12] <petn-randall> ,kernels
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1507[11:20:13] <judd> Available kernel versions are:
experimental: 4.11.0-trunk-686 (4.11-1~exp2); sid: 4.9.0-3-686
(4.9.25-1); stretch: 4.9.0-3-686 (4.9.25-1); jessie-backports:
4.9.0-0.bpo.3-686 (4.9.25-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae
(3.16.43-2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae
(3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.88-1)
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1509[11:20:55] <mast> I've read that this sort of halting
can be triggered by large rsync jobs, but I'm at a bit of dead
end
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1511[11:21:29] <petn-randall> mast: It's a large channel, we
have people asking basic questions up until very special and
peculiar questions. Everyone gets help if they adhere to the channel
rules. :)
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1513[11:22:47] <mast> Okay thanks. I have 20 years experience
with computers, but I never made the jump to linux so I'm very
aware of the position of ignorance I'm coming from.
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1515[11:23:17] <mast> And I did check the rules, and have looked
for almost an hour before coming and asking for help
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1517[11:25:31] <petn-randall> mast: Yeah, the first step I'd
try is to reproduce the issue. If the kernel dies, it usually gives
you a kernel panic on the console, which gives you a hint what
happened. If there's no kernel panic, it might be that
it's actually running but just so busy that it looks like it
crashed.
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1519[11:26:15] <mast> so busy I wouldn't even be able to ssh
into it?
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1521[11:26:55] <mast> There is no kernel warning once the system
stops responding
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1522[11:27:16] <petn-randall> mast: And this is a stock wheezy
installation?
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1523[11:27:41] <mast> In multiple instances the last messages on
the system log are monit mentioning space usage matching resource
limit
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1524[11:28:33] <petn-randall> mast: Can you somehow trigger the
crash?
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1525[11:29:06] <mast> Its actually openmediavault, which is built
on debian 3.2.0.4
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1526[11:29:37] <petn-randall> mast: Ah, in that case:
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1527[11:29:41] <petn-randall> !openmediavault
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1528[11:29:41] <dpkg> OpenMediaVault is a NAS operating system
with a web-based control panel. It is <based on Debian> but
not supported in #debian. Support can be found at
replaced-url
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1529[11:29:53] <mast> I actually just did. Large file transfers
to the system appear enough to do it
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1530[11:29:56] <petn-randall> mast: They might be able to help
you with your issue. ^^^
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1533[11:32:16] <mast> I'll try them again. When I was in
last the channel didn't seem to have folks knowledgable enough
to help. I figure I'd ask in here in the meantime, though
I'll follow your advice and ask them again
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1534[11:32:49] <mast> thanks again
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1537[11:35:36] <polysics> !kernel
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1538[11:35:40] <dpkg> Linux kernel versions, mainline: 4.12-rc3,
stable 4.11: 4.11.3, stable 4.10: 4.10.17 (EOL), longterm 4.9:
4.9.30, longterm 4.4: 4.4.70, longterm 4.1: 4.1.40, longterm 3.18:
3.18.55 (EOL), longterm 3.16: 3.16.43, longterm 3.12: 3.12.74 (EOL),
longterm 3.10: 3.10.105, longterm 3.4: 3.4.113, longterm 3.2:
3.2.88, linux-next: next-20170601
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1539[11:35:41] <polysics> !kernels
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1540[11:35:45] <dpkg> Linux kernel versions, mainline: 4.12-rc3,
stable 4.11: 4.11.3, stable 4.10: 4.10.17 (EOL), longterm 4.9:
4.9.30, longterm 4.4: 4.4.70, longterm 4.1: 4.1.40, longterm 3.18:
3.18.55 (EOL), longterm 3.16: 3.16.43, longterm 3.12: 3.12.74 (EOL),
longterm 3.10: 3.10.105, longterm 3.4: 3.4.113, longterm 3.2:
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1541[11:35:45] <polysics> ok, thanks :)
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1548[11:41:06] <petn-randall> polysics: You can also query dpkg
so you don't have to pollute the channel. Just '/query
dpkg' and ask away. :)
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1551[11:41:28] <polysics> petn-randall: sorry, I will
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1650[12:46:05] <larvallid> i installed Debian 9 RC4 using the
official DVD image, and wifi worked out of the box (although there
are still problems with it). i did not install anything other than
the OS, and do not expect there to be any nonfree firmware. i
thought the realtek driver was nonfree software, and therefore
should not be included with the official OS. can someone explain why
wifi works?
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1651[12:47:29] <shtrb|work> Are you sure that A. the device is
really realtek one (lspci/lsusb) and B. nonfree package had not been
installed (via dpkg) ?
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1652[12:47:37] <shtrb|work> Good morning to all
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1656[12:52:01] <petn-randall> larvallid: Most wifi and Ethernet
devices, and all Intel/AMD CPUs come with firmware on chip by
default. It's just that some firmware is so old and buggy that
it doesn't work without a newer version.
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1659[12:52:11] <larvallid> shtrb|work, A. i am sure the wifi
adapter is realtek RTL8821AE. on debian 8, it didn't work until
i installed nonfree firmware (either firmware-realtek or
lwfinger/rtlwifi_new drivers). B. i installed
"debian-stretch-DI-rc4-amd64-DVD-1.iso", which i believe
is the official image, which never contains nonfree software. i have
not supplied the debian installer with firmware packages, nor have i
installed packages after
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1660[12:52:11] <larvallid> the OS has been installed. on system
startup, i can see the lines "failed to load
rtlwifi/rtl8821aefw.bin (-2)" and another line for
"rtl8821aefw_wowlan.bin". however in the OS, if i bring up
network settings, i can see all nearby networks and connect to my
own.
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1665[12:53:46] <larvallid> petn-randall, does that mean i /am/
running nonfree software, which is being supplied by the hardware to
the OS? (btw, the wifi adapter did not work out of the box on debian
8.)
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1674[12:57:20] <shtrb|work> larvallid , maybe the newer kernel
can support some features that you are using know ?
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1676[12:58:49] <larvallid> shtrb|work, possibly. in that case,
has the realtek driver been reverse engineered? debian wiki says my
wifi adapter will only work with a nonfree driver.
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1678[12:59:40] <shtrb|work> not really , maybe some work had been
ported but not all
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1680[12:59:53] <shtrb|work> you can try an updated kernel on
older version
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1683[13:01:06] <larvallid> shtrb|work, alright. if i have time i
will try that. a higher priority is to get the wifi working, since
with both firwmare-realtek 0.43 and the debian 9 out-of-box
firmware, the wifi connection will drop after a while. i am leaving
now. (will stay connected to read messages when i come back)
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1688[13:02:46] <new-nick> hi there all
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1689[13:02:49] <shtrb|work> Check for why it drops , my common
cases are pcie power issues (APM) , bluetooth interfirence and
incorrect regulation code (incorrect code)
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1690[13:02:52] <shtrb|work> hi there new-nick
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1691[13:03:11] <new-nick> is there any application like this
replaced-url
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1692[13:04:57] <new-nick> for Debian package ? I am not sure what
phrase to search for this type of application/programme. A
application provide long string of password by given secret key or
master password. This is like pass word generator but not pass word
manager.
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1696[13:05:58] <new-nick> So all way have to remember master pass
code/ secret word (along with Website URL) to generate unique pass
word
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1697[13:05:58] <shtrb|work> new-nick , that's actually not
that secure option at all
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1700[13:06:13] <new-nick> what about using command line to
generate
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1704[13:07:08] <new-nick> Wait, I never used pass word generator.
Does all pass word generator provide just random keys/password ?
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1710[13:09:43] <shtrb|work> new-nick , why not use a password
manager with different passwords per site ?
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1711[13:10:06] <shtrb|work> and let your browsert negotate with
it
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1712[13:10:06] <shtrb|work> or get it manually
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1713[13:10:46] <new-nick> I am doing it as ur suggestion.
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1716[13:11:29] <shtrb|work> many DEs has their own password
managers, like kwallet for instance
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1717[13:12:23] <new-nick> but with this kind of password
generator, all one has to remember master key, secret code along
url/website name to get provide an unique password and able to
retrieve the password again.
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1718[13:12:26] <new-nick> and nothing saved on the disk
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1719[13:13:29] <new-nick> can we use DE password manager to input
on browser?
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1720[13:13:49] <shtrb|work> yes (firefox + kwallet )
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1721[13:13:51] <shtrb|work> for example
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1737[13:20:38] <new-nick> I am using using Gnome and Seahorse
keyring. It is not working with firefox. I try to get kwallet.
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1739[13:20:40] <shtrb|work> new-nick , encyption in that mode is
as safe as you store your initial password secret
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1741[13:20:53] <shtrb|work> *master password
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1742[13:20:57] <new-nick> the reason of using this method that to
copy of list of password on Android as well
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1744[13:22:00] <new-nick> r u saying its safe to decrypt gpg
password and copy to password file,given master password is secured
?
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1745[13:22:23] <shtrb|work> to be clear , I'm not saying
PBKDF2 is not secure , I'm saying it is secure as long as your
master password and salt are not revaled
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1746[13:22:54] <shtrb|work> nothing is really "safe",
there are different threat models
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1748[13:23:45] <new-nick> I understand that totally that nothing
is safe. I am talking about just basic to interimedate level of
password keeping
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1750[13:24:38] <shtrb|work> I belive that transfering the derived
results to a device (but not deriving them on the safe device) , and
never using the original master password on said device should
provide some security
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1754[13:25:42] <new-nick> not quite get this part. Still little
novice on security :)
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1755[13:26:03] <shtrb|work> I'm pre coffee state , so I
might be not clear
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1756[13:26:10] <new-nick> if u can, rewrite in simple sentence
ols
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1757[13:26:17] <new-nick> haha
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1759[13:26:31] <jelly> new-nick: I'm told keepassxc has a
firefox plugin
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1762[13:27:43] <new-nick> yup, but after a week research, I
dropped, Keepass2, KeepassX, KeepassXC
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1763[13:28:07] <shtrb|work> ne-nick: If you generate your
passwords on one machine A using K1, and you transfer the passwords
to machine B (via DOK ? ) ,you never generate passwords or use that
K1 on machine B nor connect machine A to machine B
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1765[13:28:27] <new-nick> so basically, using Firefox inbuilt
pass-word manager(not sure how secure) and GPG password list file.
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1770[13:29:17] <shtrb|work> (*) If you like password managers
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1773[13:30:39] <new-nick> well, I like password manager and but
not really able to sure Keepass2 or KeepassXC. And basically, the
requirement to use password list on Debian and Android
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1777[13:32:59] <shtrb|work> encrypted file on disk , your
clipboard will give away your password but it is still safer
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1778[13:34:09] <shtrb|work> *as you said , encrypted file
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1780[13:35:13] <shtrb|work> And sometimes your provider is an
asshole who has an MITM .... so there is that
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1782[13:35:46] <shtrb|work> "legal MITM for the security of
your children"
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1787[13:37:09] <new-nick> great ! I have encrypted file with gpg.
and whenever it decrypt, it out put plain password list of file. I
going to use encrypte password string and store on it. rather than
the file
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1789[13:37:46] <shtrb|work> just don't have the gpg derived
from the same password as per site one
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1790[13:38:07] <new-nick> what ?
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1791[13:38:30] <shtrb|work> your gpg key should not be derived
from your master key to encrypt all other passwords
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1792[13:38:57] <new-nick> u mentioned clipboard gives away
password, any trick to solve it though ?
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1794[13:39:25] <shtrb|work> if your gpg key is
mysecretpassphrase23 , your master key should not be
mysecretpassphrase1
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1797[13:39:50] <shtrb|work> new-nick , your clipboard (clipboard
managers) on the same account may hold the things you copy paste
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1799[13:39:56] <new-nick> oh, i set separate to encrypt for all
other password
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1800[13:40:18] <shtrb|work> so if you copy a pwd from a file to
paste it to a form it holds your password
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1801[13:40:28] <shtrb|work> it = clipboard manager
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1806[13:42:05] <new-nick> "your master key should not be
mysecretpassphrase1" --- I am all using pass phrase for gpg.
And where the master key comes in, since we elimate master
password/password manager here
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1808[13:43:15] <shtrb|work> When I mentionted master key I
thought you are using a hash function with a master key to generate
per website password
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1809[13:44:10] <new-nick> I am aware that copying a password
string will remain with clipboard manager. So for now I am doing
this method with trusing that no other app copying from clipboard.
But is there any know way to shred/delete from clipboard once we
pasted.
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1810[13:44:12] <shtrb|work> if all passwords do not share the
same key (no two passwords have two shared sources , and no password
repeat ) - you are "safe"
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1811[13:44:12] <new-nick> Keepass provide limited time to paste
from clipboard. Can we do it manually?
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1813[13:45:47] <new-nick> " you are using a hash function
", interesting and I will be checking out to use hash function
to master key.
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1816[13:46:38] * shtrb|work going to grab some coffee , he is not clear
anymore
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1817[13:46:52] <new-nick> You are really helpful with all these.
Wi
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1818[13:47:07] <new-nick> enjoy ur coffee
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1833[13:52:12] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
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1834[13:52:21] <shtrb|work> new-nick , there are many methods to
choose keys, common one include passphrases, alpha numeric strings
(usually short) , derived strings. Derived strings are the result
from hash function with salt and password (like PBKDF2 but any other
good hashing function would work)
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1835[13:52:23] <colo-work> having "experimental" in
sources.list available won't have any implicit effects, right?
I mean I'd always have to explicitly opt into installing
something from there
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1836[13:52:49] <shtrb|work> Hiyass BluesKaj , a great morning to
you and all
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1837[13:53:06] <shtrb|work> colo-work , it will only enable to
install from there
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1838[13:53:22] <shtrb|work> unless you are not using
apt/aptitutde
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1839[13:53:34] <BluesKaj> 'Morning shtrb|work
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1841[13:53:54] <Mutter> Hello
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1845[13:54:46] <new-nick> great shtrb. I am learned quite alot
from you today
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1851[13:56:37] <shtrb> new-nick , If you are intersted check
Introduction to cryptography and Network Security it was a really
nice read
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1857[13:57:54] <brenobc> Helo. I'm configuring a bridge
between eth0 and eth1, traffic only exits through the default
gateway, no matter if I configure routes manually. Has anyone had
this problem ? I'm configuri tproxy.
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1859[13:58:44] <new-nick> I wish to read but quite handful
nowadays and trying to increase the security as little as everyday.
Thank u for the suggestion
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1860[13:58:48] <new-nick> U r awesome
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1862[14:01:02] <dob1> it seems that lftp doens't work with
set ftp:ssl-force true, it contines to give me "delaying before
reconnect" forver.
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1863[14:01:30] <dob1> not sorry i mean set ssl-allow true
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1906[14:21:35] <polysics> hey! yet another question for you
patient people
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1907[14:21:59] <polysics> I compiled a new kernel (needed a
specific patch) and when booting into it, X does not start
automatically
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1909[14:22:07] <polysics> do I need to go set something
somewhere?
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1922[14:28:22] <towo^work> polysics, be more precise
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1925[14:28:49] <polysics> machine goes to console login instead
of autostarting X like it does with the other kernel
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1926[14:28:57] <polysics> which does not make a whole lot of
sense.
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1929[14:29:28] <AlienCat> I cannot see a certain wireless network
but I can see other networks. How can I fix that? My phone can see
the wireless network but the computer cannot
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1930[14:29:42] <AlienCat> Anyone knows what I can check?
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1937[14:32:15] <towo^work> polysics, again, too less info
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1938[14:32:35] <towo^work> only the kernel does not change
anything in autostarting of x
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1940[14:33:03] <towo^work> and no one knows how you have compiled
and installed that secret kernel
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1942[14:33:48] <polysics> it is a vanilla kernel i compiled using
make-kpkg
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1947[14:34:43] <towo^work> and if you use 3rd party graphics
drivers, they have to be compiled against that new kernel
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1965[14:44:09] <dqsii> personally i have an amd ati card i like
to stick with the gallum open source driver i dont have any issues
with it and its less hassle when i get a new kernel cause i use the
testing branch
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1969[14:47:50] <shtrb> AlienCat , are they listed when you
perofrm iwlist wXXXX scan ?
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1970[14:48:43] <shtrb> They can be working in N mode and your
wifi has 11_n disabled or not supported
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1975[14:51:23] <shtrb> polysics , make sure all modules loaded ,
check dmesg syslog for any errors
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1977[14:51:41] <AlienCat> Not found with iwlist, other computers
can find it but not mine
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1979[14:52:02] <shtrb> AlienCat , does it work on N ?
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1980[14:52:04] <shtrb> the station
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1982[14:52:49] <AlienCat> well I do not know
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1984[14:53:31] <shtrb> check if you disabled n mode (or if you
have running bluetooth now), try disabling bluetooth / enabling N if
the card support
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1985[14:53:50] <AlienCat> the card says IEEE 802.11bgn
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1990[14:54:18] <shtrb> ok , your card should support N , check if
you disabled N with an argument
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1991[14:54:36] <AlienCat> also I do not run bluetooth as far as I
know
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1992[14:54:51] <shtrb> That are the only blocking options I could
think of :-(
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1993[14:55:08] <shtrb> check with iw list wXXX to see if N is
supported by the driver
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1994[14:55:34] <AlienCat> some other dude told me something about
band
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1995[14:56:06] <shtrb> oh , different regulatory settings
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1996[14:56:18] <shtrb> or 2.4 vs 5 ghz
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2000[14:57:43] <AlienCat> could be a regulary thing
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2001[14:57:48] <AlienCat> I am in china
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2005[14:58:38] <petn-randall> larvallid: Yes, the BIOS usually
has microcode for your CPU. Everything after skylake (?)
doesn't work without.
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2012[15:01:46] <shtrb> AlienCat , first check if your card is
support 5G (iwlist wXXX freq) and check on what band the wifi works
there
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2015[15:02:26] <AlienCat> nope not 5ghz
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2016[15:02:34] <shtrb> if the station is on 5Ghz but your wifi
doesn't support it , it will not work
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2017[15:02:35] <shtrb> oh
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2034[15:07:02] <AlienCat> I will try to login to router later
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2036[15:07:22] <buu> Does anyone know of a program that takes a
series of urls and performs bandwidth comparisons against them from
a single host?
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2038[15:07:32] <buu> sort of like netselect
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2044[15:09:38] <shtrb> buu , mtr ?
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2045[15:10:05] <shtrb> not realy bandwith check but is a good
messure
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2052[15:13:01] <buu> shtrb: mmm, maybe
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2053[15:13:18] <shtrb> I don't know what you are trying to
mesaure really
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2056[15:14:28] <shtrb> oops , mtr will not spawn per url only
take the last
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2060[15:16:47] <polysics> shtrb: display-manager.service is
apparently failing to start
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2062[15:17:27] <shtrb> polysics , with what error ?
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2063[15:17:28] <buu> shtrb: Well, basically I'm trying to
figure out which server in europe has the best route/bandwidth to my
current location
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2064[15:17:40] <buu> So I have lists of urls to test files and I
want to know which one will give me the highest bandwidth
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2065[15:17:50] <polysics> No such file or directory.
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2070[15:19:41] <shtrb> buu , debian or some kind of cdn ?
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2071[15:19:56] <towo^work> [15:17:50] <polysics> No such
file or directory. <= that's never the complete error
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2072[15:20:10] <towo^work> polysics, and again, provide all
relevant infos
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2073[15:20:10] <shtrb> if debian you can setup httpredir
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2076[15:20:22] <polysics> Cannot add dependency job for unit
display-manager.service, ignoring: Unit display-manager.service
failed to load: No such file or directory. See system logs and
'systemctl status display-manager.service' for details.
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2078[15:20:39] <shtrb> polysics , try to paste little bit more
info on a paste site
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2079[15:20:52] <towo^work> which hardware, which driver?
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2082[15:21:11] <polysics> there is literally nothing else, status
just returns "not loaded" and the same error
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2084[15:21:31] <towo^work> the whole error is in Xorg.0.log
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2085[15:21:34] <shtrb> you will need to use systemctl or grab
info directly from syslog + messages
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2086[15:21:41] <shtrb> and X/Wayland files
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2087[15:21:50] <polysics> this is a normal PC with an MSI
enbedded graphic card
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2089[15:22:02] <polysics> ok, so I need to go through those
first. Thanks :)
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2090[15:22:13] <polysics> it's not that I don't want to
provide data :)
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2091[15:22:20] <shtrb> polysics , check towo^work comment first
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2120[15:30:32] <Resilience> Jello to everyone, I am going to
install vbox from its own repository (replaced-url
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2128[15:32:44] <shtrb> Resilience , you will have some hard time
to identify if you don't remember all
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2129[15:33:00] <shtrb> but you could search for packages which
are no longer listed and to remove them
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2130[15:33:39] <Resilience> shtrb, to ermeber the packages? but,
the packages come fromm the source right?
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2131[15:33:59] <shtrb> list all currently packages , for each
package if it does not exist in current source add to list of files
to remove
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2133[15:34:27] <shtrb> I mean, if you forgot what you have
installed other than vbox and whish to drop it
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2134[15:34:52] <shtrb> usually if a pacakge is no longer needed
it wil be listed in a special list for autoremove
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2135[15:34:53] <Resilience> to list the packes was.. dkpg -l
right?
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2142[15:36:16] <Resilience> shtrb, to list the packes was.. dkpg
-l right?
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2145[15:36:42] <shtrb> you can also use dpkg --get-selections |
cut -f1 (for installed only)
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2149[15:37:26] <Resilience> shtrb, aha, and, how can I know waht
pacakges are not in the curren /etc/apt/sources.list?
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2151[15:37:47] <towo^work> apt-show-versions
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2153[15:38:25] <themill> !not available
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2154[15:38:25] <dpkg> To get a list of packages you have
installed now, that are not available from any repository in your
sources.list: aptitude search
'?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))'
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2155[15:39:05] <towo^work> hm i find apt-show-versions | grep No
more easy and shorter
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2165[15:41:52] <shtrb> Resilience , but I hope they will be nuked
by autoremove
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2170[15:42:30] <shtrb> just remember autoremove can sometimes be
fatel
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2172[15:43:19] <Resilience> aha, thanls themill, thanks shtrb
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2175[15:45:40] <Resilience> mmmmm I have done the comman dline
from themill and I get a list of packages, but, they have the flag
i, are insttalled... and they are alot f packages that sohuld be
updated... what is happening?
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2184[15:49:20] <shtrb> Resilience , did you remember the
"|grep no"
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2190[15:52:52] <Resilience> shtrb, I have just tried now, it
works, or at least it says No available version etc... ok, that
works, but I was wondering about the command line from themill
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2193[15:53:17] <themill> apt-show-versions frequently gets things
wrong
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2203[15:57:34] <polysics> towo^work: the whole Xorg.0.log is here
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2204[15:57:35] <polysics>
replaced-url
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2205[15:58:03] <polysics> note that startx does oddly work.
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2207[15:58:32] <polysics> oh, so maybe startx overwrote this?
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2211[15:58:50] <greycat> yes, startx overwrites Xorg.0.log each
time
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2238[16:07:37] <Resilience> themill, ok, apt-show-versions ge
things wrong, but, why the line that you have put says that the
packages are installed?
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2240[16:08:15] <themill> it shows that packages are installed if
they are
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2241[16:08:22] <themill> I'm not sure how else to answer
that question
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2243[16:08:32] <shtrb> what about deinstall state ?
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2244[16:08:59] <shtrb> ignore , brain fart
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2250[16:10:48] <Resilience> themill, I asked what pacakges are
not yet available when deleting some sources from
/etc/apt-sources.list, the order you put listed some files I am
using as "not available" (not true, because I am
updating&& dist-upgrading them) and list them as installed,
so I don't udnerstand waht pacakes is listign that command line
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2251[16:10:51] <polysics> greycat: but there is no Xorg.0.log if
I just reboot and X fails to start
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2255[16:12:03] <greycat> Which version of Debian are you on? How
are you attempting to start x? startx, or a display manager? If
it's startx, are you running it as yourself, or as root?
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2257[16:12:56] <greycat> dpkg, xorg.0.log is in /var/log/ unless
you are on stretch-or-later and running startx as non-root. Then
it's in ~/.local/share/xorg/
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2258[16:12:56] <dpkg> okay, greycat
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2262[16:14:18] * greycat tries to parse "I asked what pacakges are
not yet available" and fails
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2263[16:14:41] <greycat> linux-image-7.0.0 is not yet available.
Does that make the list?
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2264[16:14:57] <polysics> I am running as root on Debian 7
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2265[16:15:11] <greycat> then there should be a
/var/log/Xorg.0.log file if you ran "startx"
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2266[16:15:15] <polysics> starting using startx
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2267[16:15:28] <polysics> the issue here is that X fails to
autostart, but it does work with startx
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2268[16:15:44] <petn-randall> polysics: How do you autostart it?
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2269[16:15:44] <greycat> What does autostart mean? Did you
install a display manager? If so, which one?
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2270[16:15:49] <polysics> so I think that log is actually no
useful in this particular case?
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2271[16:15:54] <polysics> lxdm
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2272[16:15:57] <Resilience> greycat, you should read a few lines
before, it was about deleting sources from /etc/apt/sources-list and
knowing which packages are not yet available because of the deleted
sources
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2274[16:16:12] <greycat> You mean "no longer
available"?
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2275[16:16:36] <greycat> If you want to know which packages are
in which wource, DO NOT delete the source, just look in
/var/lib/apt/lists/
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2276[16:17:13] <greycat> How do you expect your computer to know
what information was in a file that you deleted?
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2277[16:17:14] <shtrb> greycat , assume a package that once
existed and no more exist (for example alsa-base )
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2279[16:18:05] <greycat> !xy
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2280[16:18:05] <dpkg> Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you
need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We
suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell
us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely
diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's
easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See
replaced-url
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2283[16:19:05] <themill> Resilience: real output would be useful.
Your summaries are not providing any information that will help us
help you
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2284[16:19:23] <shtrb> greycat , it's not that hard actually
he can relay on autoremove or checking what installed packages are
no longer exist to see what he can drop
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2286[16:19:38] <shtrb> themill , didn't you mean polysics ?
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2287[16:19:44] <greycat> shtrb: what problem is he trying to
solve?
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2288[16:19:44] <themill> no
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2289[16:19:46] <shtrb> *don't you mean
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2290[16:20:02] <greycat> "rely on autoremove" for what?
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2293[16:20:13] <shtrb> greycat , if he forgets what package he
installed and droped the sources
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2294[16:20:36] <shtrb> relay on autoremove if he removes a
packages installed from the new sources
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2295[16:20:42] <Resilience> it is easy, as i stated in my first
line
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2298[16:21:17] <greycat> 09:30 Resilience> Jello to everyone,
I am going to install vbox from its own repository ... 1) Can I know
what packages are from what sources?
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2299[16:21:20] <shtrb> Resilience , hopefully their repository is
sane , and you could just remove vbox and use autoremove to drop all
the dependencies
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2300[16:21:26] <greycat> Look in /var/lib/apt/lists/ BUT DO NOT
remove the source first, duh.
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2303[16:21:46] <greycat> 09:30 Resilience> ... 2)if sometime
in future I want/need to remove the sources from vbox, then I can
erase all the packages from that source?
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2304[16:21:50] <greycat> NO.
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2305[16:22:07] <greycat> You can try to hack up some godawful
atrocity like with the dmo stuff.
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2306[16:22:11] <Resilience> going to add some sources (for vbox)
and IF in the future I need to remove that sources, I WANT the
packages from THAT sources (vbox) to be removed from the PACKAGES
LIST (I know tat with apt-get autoremove the PACKAGES are removed,
but I want to be removed from the PACKAGE LISTINGS)
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2309[16:22:29] <greycat> !dmm remove
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2310[16:22:29] <dpkg> If you want to remove the packages from
deb-multimedia.org and reinstall the packages from Debian
repositories, one could do this: dpkg --remove --force-depends
$(aptitude search '?narrow(?version(CURRENT),?origin(Unofficial
Multimedia Packages))' --disable-columns -F%p); remove the dmm
repository from sources.list; apt-get update; apt-get install -f;
install the still missing packages which were removed in the former
process ...
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2311[16:22:39] <greycat> That is what you are dealing with for
your part 2.
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2312[16:22:51] <shtrb> now , I don't understand you
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2313[16:23:04] <shtrb> apt-get remove --purge virtualbox* should
do the trick
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2314[16:23:07] <themill> Resilience: apt does not know where you
installed packages from. It knows from where you might try to
reinstall the same package right now.
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2317[16:23:27] <shtrb> but for my knowldge there is no list that
says this deb come from that repo
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2321[16:24:11] <Resilience> ok, and is there any way to earse ALL
the package listings anddownload resh from the sources?
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2322[16:24:12] <greycat> 10:22 Resilience> ... IF in the
future I ... remove that sources, I WANT the packages from THAT
sources (vbox) to be removed from the PACKAGES LIST
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2323[16:24:18] <greycat> Just run apt-get update
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2327[16:24:57] <Resilience> greycat, that erases the packages not
present in the current spurces? (if /etc/apt/sources.list is
modified I mean)
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2330[16:25:11] <greycat> It removes the lists from
/var/lib/apt/lists/
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2331[16:25:29] <colo-work> does stretch still support
/etc/rc.local?
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2332[16:25:35] <greycat> yes
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2333[16:25:41] <colo-work> awesome; thanks
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2335[16:26:19] <greycat> You can even do "systemctl status
rc.local" to see when it ran and so on.
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2338[16:27:09] <Resilience> than ks greycat shtrb and themill
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2342[16:28:12] <themill> Resilience: if you want to remove
packages that aren't referenced in the current sources.list,
then change "search" to "remove" in that insane
aptitude command that dpkg gave you earlier.
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2345[16:29:31] <NeilHanlon> I've got a bit of an odd issue
on my system.. if I leave it at the office overnight, a few hours
after I leave it starts sending ~300 DHCP RENEW requests to our DHCP
server an hour
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2347[16:29:49] <NeilHanlon> Apparently over my wlan0
interface--but I have wifi turned off.
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2350[16:30:05] <NeilHanlon> I wasn't able to find any
dhclient bug reports.. anyone know where I could look further?
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2351[16:30:38] <shtrb> openvpn / dhcp server running , laptop
wakeup from sleep and try to reconnect ?
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2360[16:33:02] <Resilience> themill, ah, I was wondering if I was
the only one thinking it was some kind of insane xD
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2361[16:33:10] <tsuyubo> hi, folks, i have a question when
install libnl-3.0 from source code
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2365[16:33:32] <NeilHanlon> shtrb: no dhcp server--I've got
a cisco anyconnect vpnagentd process
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2367[16:33:52] <NeilHanlon> laptop doesn't sleep (or
shouldn't sleep).. and even if it was, 300 DHCPRENEW/hr seems
very high
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2372[16:34:39] <shtrb> I have no idea about that software , but
could it trigger dhcp requests ?
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2373[16:34:45] <shtrb> if yes , it could be the culprint
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2374[16:35:17] <NeilHanlon> I don't think it should be...
but I guess it's possible
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2378[16:36:00] <shtrb> can you reproduce the issue without
leaving the office ?
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2379[16:36:31] <shtrb> I mean stop using the pc for some time
(maybe some script is run after the lock screen is set)
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2392[16:40:49] <NeilHanlon> It's an unfortunately a pretty
long timeout when it starts. ~3 hrs
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2394[16:41:03] <DexterF> hi
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2395[16:41:49] <shtrb> NeilHanlon , check your DE maybe it has
some time based scripts
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2397[16:43:17] <helpImStuck> is it normal to find a file named
screendump.txt on your "server"?
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2400[16:43:48] <greycat> Depends on what kind of
"server" it is.
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2403[16:43:59] <greycat> If it's serving user home dirs over
NFS, no filename would surprise me. At all. None.
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2405[16:44:24] <helpImStuck> greycat, found it in my vpn config
dir..
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2406[16:44:26] <greycat> (OK, a filename that is the empty string
might surprise me,)
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2407[16:45:25] <helpImStuck> which audit tool do you recommend to
keep an eye on the system?
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2408[16:45:41] <shtrb> NeilHanlon , did you check your timers,
maybe it is run on a specific hor ?
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2411[16:46:31] <NeilHanlon> shtrb: where would I be looking for
those?
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2415[16:47:56] <shtrb> bloody erogant pigeons
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2417[16:48:01] <shtrb> sorry , not for this channel
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2418[16:48:11] <greycat> "arrogant"
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2419[16:48:19] <petn-randall> erdogan?
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2420[16:48:32] <shtrb> Sorry , pasted in the wrong channel ....
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2424[16:48:55] <shtrb> they don't leave even if I throw a
paper on them or ask them nicly to leave
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2426[16:49:46] <shtrb> greycat , thanks for the fix
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2430[16:50:50] <shtrb> NeilHanlon , under /etc/systemd/system or
/etc/systemd/user
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2431[16:51:11] <shtrb> also check crontab and cron
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2451[17:01:08] <NeilHanlon> hm.. not able to find anything that
could be doing it there (as far as I can tell)
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2453[17:01:29] <shtrb> :-/ , anything in the DE itself ?
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2456[17:02:32] <shtrb> you didn't say (Or I missed it while
trying to shew this %@%2 ) does it happen on the same time each time
or just X hours after you stop using the pc ?
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2460[17:03:39] <shtrb> *shoo
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2463[17:04:18] <NeilHanlon> doesn't seem to be time based
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2464[17:04:20] <greycat> a really big sheeeww
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2465[17:04:24] <NeilHanlon> according to the splunk logs I'm
looking at
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2466[17:05:37] <shtrb> NeilHanlon , do you have some special dhcp
attributes at the office (geo location for instance ) ?
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2468[17:05:48] <shtrb> and does it uses the same option each time
?
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2477[17:06:51] <AtheroS__> hello, i try to login via ssh and i
get this :
replaced-url
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2478[17:07:02] <AtheroS__> can someone help me please ?
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2479[17:07:20] <shtrb> some office started to set the geo
location, and if your SIP phone need to reregister it may trigger
new dhcp request
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2486[17:09:05] <greycat> AtheroS__: what were you expecting
instead? Have you intentionally disabled password auth fallback on
the dropbear raspbian server? Is *either* system actually Debian?
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2490[17:09:41] <NeilHanlon> AH
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2492[17:09:50] <NeilHanlon> actually no nevermind
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2494[17:10:10] <NeilHanlon> I was going to say I have my ethernet
chained off my cisco phone, but these are wireless DHCP requests
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2495[17:10:11] <shtrb> NeilHanlon , can you try drop the cisco
thingy to verify if it not the cause ?
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2496[17:10:14] <NeilHanlon>
replaced-url
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2499[17:10:52] <NeilHanlon> shtrb: I can try to stop it
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2500[17:11:13] <shtrb> but if you have VoIP / XCAP device behind
it I would also check that
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2501[17:12:13] <shtrb> you can try to trigger the phone
reregister if you restart it (power off/on) or bump it's clock
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2502[17:12:20] <shtrb> it is usually enough
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2511[17:14:42] <rjsalts> So, it looks like I may have suffered
some data integrity issues on root filesystem, I now have a bunch of
file in lost+found. Is there any way to compare md5/sha1/sha256 hash
of those files with stuff in Contents/apt-file?
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2514[17:15:15] <NeilHanlon> shtrb: yeah my point is that the
DHCPRENEWs are coming over my wlan0, not eth0
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2518[17:15:48] <NapoleonWils0n> hi all
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2519[17:16:02] <NapoleonWils0n> im trying to find a tool to
upload to amazon s3
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2520[17:16:12] <NapoleonWils0n> tried awscli but didnt work at
all
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2521[17:16:44] <shtrb> NeilHanlon , do you have xcap or any sip
phone on that machine ?
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2524[17:17:12] <NapoleonWils0n> s3cmd also has problems uploading
files, even small 3mb files
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2525[17:17:12] <NeilHanlon> shtrb: I have a physical cisco SIP
phone that I use to passthrough my ethernet
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2526[17:17:23] <NeilHanlon> laptop -> phone -> ethernet
jack
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2530[17:19:11] <shtrb> what happen if you plug the ethernet cable
from the wall socket ?
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2531[17:19:18] <shtrb> *plug out
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2536[17:20:03] <shtrb> will the phone try perform DHCP on the way
to your laptop
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2546[17:21:54] <glick> hi everyone
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2548[17:22:12] <NeilHanlon> no it doesn't go that way shtrb
(or, it shouldn't)
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2550[17:22:23] <NeilHanlon> it should only send out on its main
interface
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2551[17:22:40] <glick> question... what does
{debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot)} in PS1 prompt string mean?
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2552[17:22:54] <NeilHanlon> plus we have other people with this
setup (different OS) that don't have the issue
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2556[17:23:18] <greycat> glick: it's a variable
substitution. If that variable isn't set, nothing happens.
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2557[17:23:50] <glick> what does it do?
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2559[17:24:11] <greycat> It expands to the value of the variable
in parentheses, if it is set.
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2560[17:24:40] <NapoleonWils0n> apart from s3smd and awscli are
there any other amazon s3 uploaders
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2561[17:24:47] <NapoleonWils0n> cant seem to get either to work
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2565[17:25:07] <NapoleonWils0n> only thing i have found that
works is cyberduck on the mac
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2576[17:27:56] <Darby_Crash> hey NapoleonWils0n i'm a your
fan :)
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2578[17:28:32] <Darby_Crash> Carpenter rules ;)
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2580[17:29:18] <Darby_Crash> hi guys, i have a issue with
libcrypto on Stretch
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2585[17:30:40] <Darby_Crash> segmentation fault using
retroshare06
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2593[17:32:58] <Darby_Crash> Jun 1 05:56:50 debian kernel: [
3873.636941] RetroShare06[9149]: segfault at 12 ip 0000xxxxxxxxxxxx
sp 0000xxxxxxxxxxxx error 4 in libcrypto.so.1.1[7f8b20950000+264000]
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2595[17:33:54] <greycat> Why do you believe this to be an error
in the library, vs. an error in the application that used the
library?
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2599[17:34:13] <Darby_Crash> because it work well on Jessie
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2600[17:34:22] <greycat> Lots and lots of perfectly cromulent C
library functions will segfault if you pass NULL pointers to them
unexpectedly.
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2601[17:34:36] <Darby_Crash> and other users have the same issue
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2603[17:34:39] <greycat> *what* works well on jessie? what
program? what happened?
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2606[17:35:59] <Darby_Crash>
replaced-url
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2608[17:36:13] <Darby_Crash> greycat, please read it
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2610[17:36:32] <greycat> Is "retroshare" the name of
the application?
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2614[17:37:48] <Darby_Crash> yes
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2616[17:38:00] <Darby_Crash> this is my similar issue
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2617[17:38:01] <Darby_Crash>
replaced-url
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2619[17:39:27] <greycat> This channel won't have the
technical expertise (or time or interest) to debug a C application
segfaulting inside a crypto library. You'll need to take it up
with the authors of the application, and they can help you with gdb
and stack traces and so on, if they think that'll help them.
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2620[17:39:28] <Spec> looks like they recompiled the sauce
against the correct libraries and it resolved the issue?
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2623[17:40:26] <Darby_Crash> Spec, i've compiled retroshare
but i have the same issue
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2628[17:41:21] <Darby_Crash> maybe, i can try to change libssl
version, right?
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2631[17:42:07] <Spec> Darby_Crash: sorry, greycat's advice
is the one to follow now, seek upstream help
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2633[17:43:22] <Darby_Crash> thanks guys, sorry the question
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2634[17:43:26] <glick> hmm
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2638[17:43:37] <glick> i cant figure out how my bash prompt is
generated
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2639[17:43:45] <glick> im reading my .bashrc file
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2640[17:43:58] <greycat> what are you confused about?
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2641[17:44:02] <glick> and the PS1 setup is a little confusing
and doesnt seem to match what i see
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2642[17:44:31] <greycat> PS1 contains a series of magic symbols
that bash interprets and expands
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2644[17:44:51] <glick> this is my prompt
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2645[17:44:58] <glick> \[\e]0;\u@\h:
\w\a\]${debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot)}\u@\h:\w\$
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2646[17:45:20] <greycat> which part do you want to know about?
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2647[17:45:55] <glick> nothing in .bashrc seems to match that
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2648[17:46:16] <Spec> check /etc/bash.bashrc
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2649[17:46:32] <greycat> No, it should be coming from his
~/.bashrc which in turn may have come from /etc/skel/.bashrc at the
time his account was made.
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2652[17:46:50] <greycat> Unless he or his sysadmin has done
something weird, but that looks very much like the Debian PS1,
so....
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2656[17:47:46] <Spec> ah yeah
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2662[17:49:21] <glick> im trying to change my prompt
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2664[17:49:30] <glick> and finding it very difficult to do
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2666[17:49:48] <greycat> PS1='\h:\w\$ '
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2667[17:49:51] <Violinist> how come debian doesnt follow
profile.d/scripts
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2668[17:50:04] <greycat> wooledg:~$ ls /etc/profile.d
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2669[17:50:04] <greycat> bash_completion.sh
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2670[17:50:18] <greycat> It's there. You can use it.
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2672[17:50:27] <Violinist> i cant use it
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2674[17:50:44] <Violinist> profile.d never gets picked up on
debian but ubuntu it does
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2675[17:50:56] <greycat> wooledg:~$ grep profile.d /etc/profile
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2676[17:50:56] <greycat> if [ -d /etc/profile.d ]; then
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2677[17:50:56] <greycat> for i in /etc/profile.d/*.sh; do
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2689[17:56:23] <glick> sweeet changed my prompt
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2690[17:56:27] <glick> :)
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2691[17:56:34] <glick> im a hacker!
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2692[17:56:48] <glick> thats a joke
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2694[17:57:31] <shtrb> glick , hacker used to mean a person who
use the tools for his needs
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2695[17:57:56] <glick> shtrb: i know. it still means that. but i
dont think changing a shell prompt qualifies for use of the term
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2700[17:59:53] <greycat> If you've *seen* some of the prompt
questions we get in #bash you might not think of it as such a joke.
;-)
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2702[18:00:13] <Violinist> somehow a cow got into my server
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2703[18:00:23] <JPT> Was it a Dirtycow?
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2704[18:00:23] <Violinist> its staring at me now
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2705[18:00:32] <greycat> Ask it to mooove somewhere else.
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2706[18:01:11] <shtrb> NeilHanlon , do you get an IP from both
the ethernet and the wifi ?
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2707[18:01:11] <Violinist> hmm
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2708[18:01:21] <Violinist> i might have to write an animated
shell
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2709[18:01:32] <Violinist> any1 thot of this already?
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2710[18:01:42] <NeilHanlon> shtrb: yeah
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2721[18:03:57] <greycat> You could create a terminal emulator
that draws cowsay style graphics, presenting the actual terminal
inside a speech balloon.
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2725[18:04:49] <shtrb> NeilHanlon , assuming two dhclient , one
could try to reqest if the ethenet link goes down
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2727[18:05:06] <shtrb> can you check in your legs , when the
laptop start to request if link went down or something
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2729[18:05:23] <shtrb> you can see in your past logs under
/var/log/...
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2731[18:05:46] <greycat> Yup, check your legs and feet to see if
you kicked the cable.
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2734[18:06:27] <shtrb> lol
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2735[18:06:33] <shtrb> or if there is a cat around
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2753[18:12:10] <Violinist> argh
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2756[18:12:24] <Violinist> gona have to move development to
localhost
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2757[18:12:28] <Violinist> damit
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2761[18:12:52] <Violinist> connection too slow
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2763[18:13:50] <bdax> Hi everyone. I'm on Debian Jessie, and
looking to install a 'unified' theme that makes qt4, qt5
and gtk applications look the same, such as 'breeze' or
'adwaita'. Does anyone know if it's possible to
install these on jessie?
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2766[18:17:41] <bdax> nvm, think I've got it, thanks
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2806[18:36:43] <new-nick> hi there
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2808[18:37:01] <new-nick> any idea of the date of Debian Stretch
9 is releasing?
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2809[18:37:01] <shtrb> welcome back new-nick
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2810[18:37:11] <shtrb> 16/06
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2811[18:37:20] <shtrb> *17
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2812[18:37:23] <shtrb> in the topic
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2813[18:37:24] <new-nick> Hey there, shtrb, glad you are still
around
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2814[18:37:24] <greycat> new-nick: /topic
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2815[18:37:38] <new-nick> What
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2818[18:38:29] <new-nick> Ok, I am going to get a copy today and
to try to fresh install on separate partition.
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2819[18:38:51] <shtrb> new-nick , what ? why ?
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2821[18:39:06] <greycat> Why not?
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2822[18:39:31] <new-nick> Can we able to same partition location
as the OS and set it as bootable ?
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2823[18:39:44] <greycat> One OS per partition, please.
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2826[18:39:56] <shtrb> greycat , I think reinstalling should be
the last resosrt
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2827[18:39:57] <new-nick> What is for the in the topic
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2830[18:40:15] <greycat> shtrb: he didn't say
"reinstall", he said "install"
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2831[18:40:33] <greycat> granted, he appears to have some trouble
with English
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2832[18:40:36] <new-nick> oh ok I got the release date.
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2833[18:40:36] <shtrb> greycat , sorry , I missed that
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2834[18:40:43] <dontknow> debian 9 is rock solid here
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2835[18:41:07] <greycat> ETA = Estimated Time of Arrival, if
that's what was tripping you up
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2840[18:43:58] <new-nick> greycat, I understand 1 OS person
partition and that's how I have installed. I kept the Windows
as it comes with OEM. I remember, I installed Jessie June 2015 and
keep it updated. But I not sure whether I install Jessie Grub on
Windows bootloader partition.
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2841[18:44:42] <greycat> If your windows partitions cover the
entire disk, SHRINK one of them to a smaller size, and create a new
partition inside the free space.
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2842[18:45:27] <new-nick> I am going to install Stretch freshly
on separate partition and just checking whether to able to install
Grub boot loader on same partition as Stretch or I let the OS
installer update/replace current Grub
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2844[18:46:42] <greycat> The boot loader goes on the DISK, not on
a partition.
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2846[18:47:13] <new-nick> Since I will be trying
"testing" Stretch now, I don't want mess with current
Grub. (better do a backup of Grub partition?)
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2848[18:47:37] <greycat> Grub doesn't use a partition. It
writes to the start of the disk. Outside of all partitions.
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2851[18:48:05] <new-nick> AFAIK, Windows create very first
partition of 100 MB for bootloader and rest for OS partition.
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2853[18:48:30] <greycat> Then leave that windows partition alone.
Don't touch it. Don't even look at it.
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2856[18:48:49] <greycat> If you mean an EFI partition,
that's slightly different, and Debian may or may not put things
inside it.
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2858[18:49:24] <shtrb> lol
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2860[18:50:09] <new-nick> And with Gparted, I see /dev/sda2 ,
fat32, /boot/efi 260 MB. flagged as boot. So, I guess this is where
bootloader/Grub installed with just 260 MB partition ?
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2862[18:50:12] <shtrb> Depening on the provider , there can be a
number of parttions , in case of windows up to 3 (restore , windowws
, factory) to one
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2863[18:50:22] <shtrb> it can be MBR or GPT and many others
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2864[18:50:22] <greycat> EFI. Yeah, that's ... the EFI
partition.
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2865[18:50:36] <greycat> Just leave it alone.
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2868[18:50:49] <shtrb> new-nick , brick EFI and you brick the
laptop
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2871[18:52:01] <new-nick> But, any way, since I am not familiar
with Grub, I take your words and learn the Grub doesn't use
partition but use begining of disk. is there a way to back up Grub
before installing Stretch ? (believe Stretch will replace current
Grub
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2877[18:52:49] <greycat> I wouldn't bother trying to make a
backup of the boot loader. If disaster happens, you can just boot
from the installation medium again.
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2881[18:53:15] <new-nick> that's sound a relief
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2886[18:54:10] <new-nick> apart from the bootloader, is it ok to
download Stretch to start with it even before release date?
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2887[18:54:23] <greycat> Yes. Lots of us have been using it for a
while now.
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2888[18:54:44] <greycat> This close to release, it's not
likely to change very much.
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2889[18:55:24] <new-nick> awesome
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2890[18:55:41] <BluesKaj> stretch runs just fine here, no
problems at all
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2892[18:55:44] <shtrb> new-nick , debian is like a rock, it rigid
and usually will not brake but when it does you have a mess
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2897[18:56:23] <new-nick> I want to have separate copy of OS. I
have been messing up Jessie for some time. Fresh and clean start
will be ok to me .
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2898[18:56:26] <greycat> That kind of breakage is usually
reserved for unstable.
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2901[18:56:56] <BluesKaj> shtrb, it only brakes for oncoming
traffic and it won't break if it does :-)
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2902[18:57:02] <new-nick> And I want to have a backup Os.
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2904[18:57:43] <greycat> new-nick: if you're going to keep
both versions around for a while, the thing you want to understand
about grub is that any time you upgrade certain packages on EITHER
system (kernel, udev, other stuff that goes in the initramfs),
it'll use THAT system to modify grub.
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2914[18:58:48] <new-nick> Ok, two weeks ago, I apt upgrade as
usual but after 1.5 month break, and having a issue to be resolved
till today by apt upgrading daily.
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2917[18:59:53] <new-nick> issue is that I have not had before.
When even the computer screen goes to sleep and I wake it up, the
cursor disappear. But able to click on the button element but no
cursor on the screen.
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2919[19:00:30] <new-nick> The only way I get back the cursor, to
blindly navigate to menu and log myself then resume to get the
cursor.
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2923[19:01:17] <new-nick> I have been waiting it to resolved
after few updates, till today, I am facing the issue that I disabled
screen going blank.
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2925[19:01:53] <new-nick> But any way, enough issues, I
neglecting this problem and hopefully get sorted with future apt
upgrade.
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2937[19:04:09] <new-nick> Grey, "it'll use THAT system
to modify grub" -- for this I plan to separate install Grub on
separate location ? WIll it works ?
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2939[19:04:30] <greycat> It'll work, but each time you
upgrade, it'll modify the grub menu (potentially).
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2940[19:04:47] <greycat> upgrade on stretch -> grub changes.
boot into jessie. upgrade on jessie -> grub changes.
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2949[19:05:54] <new-nick> greycat. ha ha, thank u for this point
out. Other wise, I will be in a mess.
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2951[19:06:12] <shtrb> mess can be fun sometimes
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2955[19:06:59] <new-nick> Guys. I came from Windows environment
and very much not getting hold to Grub for now.
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2957[19:07:21] <shtrb> new-nick , grub is not that different from
ntldr and friends
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2958[19:07:28] <new-nick> shtrb, sure but I am not affordable
with time.
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2960[19:07:28] <shtrb> it's just better , easier to
maintaine and just works
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2962[19:08:10] <new-nick> I read this : if you don't like
the unencrypted /boot partition, you could boot the system off a USB
key, which you can keep separate from the system except for when
booting and upgrading the kernel. All you need to do for that is
install the bootloader and kernel onto the device and configure it
to use the proper encryption volume on the harddisk as root
filesystem.
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2963[19:08:31] <greycat> you're not using disk encryption,
are you?
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2965[19:08:40] <shtrb> you don't really have an option with
an encrypted boot parttion ...
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2966[19:08:42] <new-nick> isn't mean that we can choose the
location/partition in installer to install GRUB MBR ?
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2967[19:09:04] <new-nick> No, I am not using disk encryption.
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2968[19:09:26] <shtrb> grub can be installed on the first 446
bytes of the first "sector" on the bootable disk
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2969[19:09:27] <greycat> then ignore that entire thing you are
reading
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2970[19:09:46] <shtrb> and it is usullly enough (install on MBR
/GPT)
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2971[19:10:21] <new-nick> No on, I am not concern of encryption
at all. Just want to see the possiblities to choose location for MBR
installation.
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2977[19:11:08] <shtrb> didn't you say you have EFI ?
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2978[19:11:13] <greycat> He did. He does.
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2979[19:11:24] <new-nick> For WIndows, I had 3 OS with 3
MBR.separately. I can boot to each OS by setting MBR as boot flag
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2981[19:11:37] <greycat> You are confused. You do not have
"3 MBRs".
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2983[19:11:53] <shtrb> MBR - from 0 to 446 byte in the first
sector
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2984[19:12:03] <shtrb> *sorry just first sector
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2985[19:12:07] <bjorn__> Hi guys, i need help for a problem about
Adobe AIR 2, some1 is free ? :)
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2986[19:12:17] <greycat> The MBR is the first part of the disk,
bytes 0 through 511, used on legacy msdos disk booting setups, *NOT*
on (U)EFI.
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2991[19:13:24] <new-nick> ok, I guess what I have on other 3
partition with 100 MB ?
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2992[19:13:40] <greycat> We don't know what partitions you
have. You could run fdisk -l and see.
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2994[19:14:03] <shtrb> If that is factory , it can be the the
windows boot , protective mbr , or factory reset
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2995[19:14:11] <shtrb> *freedos parttion
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2996[19:14:15] <Crell> Hello. What's the easiest way to
determine if a given package was compiled with a certain flag?
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2999[19:14:39] <greycat> Crell: download the sources (deb-src,
apt-get source, etc.) and read the debian diffs
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3002[19:14:55] <Crell> Hm, it wouldn't be listed in the
online index somewhere?
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3003[19:15:08] <greycat> Unless that *specific* program has some
command-line option to tell you how it was built. Some do.
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3007[19:16:23] <Crell> (I'm specifically trying to determine
if memcached has igbinary enabled.)
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3010[19:17:41] <Crell> Where would the debian diffs be?
(I've not dug into deb source package internals before;
I'm just looking on the anonscm.debian.org site at the moment.)
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3011[19:17:51] <shtrb> greycat ,he also need to read the Makefile
/ rules file
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3012[19:18:26] <greycat> Well, the *easiest* thing to do would be
apt-get source, which extract and applies the diffs for you. Then
you can just read foopkg-x.y.z/debian/rules which is a Makefile.
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3031[19:25:10] <Crell> greycat: I'm not actually on the
system with the package; I'm building a container. :-) I'm
just a bit surprised that this information isn't otherwise
available.;
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3032[19:25:36] <greycat> Doesn't matter what system
you're on. You can apt-get source anywhere, as long as
it's the same release.
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3033[19:25:49] <Crell> It's not. Hang on, let me dig up a
VM.
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3035[19:26:09] <Crell> (My laptop is Ubuntu, the container
I'm building is debian stretch.)
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3078[19:40:50] <Walakea> how can i check my CPU chache sizes?
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3079[19:41:44] <greycat> get the CPU model number out of
/proc/cpuinfo and google it?
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3080[19:41:50] <sonOfRa> cat /proc/cpuinfo will show some
information. That will give you your model and make, and then you
can look up the exact specs on the manufacturer site
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3082[19:42:20] <greycat> oh, there's actually a "cache
size" *in* /proc/cpuinfo
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3086[19:42:44] <greycat> so, whatever that means, there you go.
numbers. :)
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3092[19:43:36] <Walakea> running it through grep gives me
4× the same 2 numbers
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3093[19:43:42] <greycat> 4 cores
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3094[19:44:19] <Walakea> that would be it
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3095[19:44:32] <Walakea> but aren't there more levels of
cache?
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3096[19:44:45] <sonOfRa> try lscpu
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3099[19:44:55] <sonOfRa> Not sure what package it's in, not
running a debian right now
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3101[19:45:04] <Walakea> that's it, thanks
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3102[19:45:49] <greycat> it's in util-linux
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3103[19:45:51] <Walakea> i thought they are smaller
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3104[19:45:57] <Walakea> smallest is 32 K
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3107[19:46:40] <Crell> greycat: OK, I booted a VM and apt-get
source'd memcached. Where does it store the source packages,
though?
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3108[19:46:51] <greycat> wherever you are
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3110[19:47:05] <Crell> Oh! cwd? That's... not at all what I
expected.
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3113[19:47:57] <sonOfRa> Crell: it's so that you can do it
as a regular user, and not just the root user :)
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3114[19:48:10] <Crell> That makes sense, I suppose. Just not what
I expected.
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3116[19:48:26] <Crell> The rules file has no mention of
"igbinary", so I'm going to assume it's not
enabled. That's unfortuntae.
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3139[19:56:37] <pie3> anyone streamed/mirrored from android to
laptop?
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3187[20:13:44] <glick> pardon why is this command not working
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3188[20:13:49] <glick> am i not understanding how xargs works?
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3189[20:13:58] <glick> find ProSpanish/ -name "*.ogg"
-print0 | xargs -0 mv {} {}.test
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3190[20:13:58] <greycat> Oh god, xargs.
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3192[20:14:14] <glick> lol
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3193[20:14:21] <glick> whats wrong with xargs
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3195[20:14:31] <greycat> You need a shell. find blah -name
'*.ogg' -type f -exec sh -c 'for f do mv
"$f" "$f.test"; done' x {} +
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3196[20:14:41] <greycat> /msg greybot xargs
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3198[20:14:57] <glick> that starts a new shell for every arg
found
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3199[20:15:04] <greycat> No, it doesn't. The + groups them.
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3200[20:15:18] <greycat> That's why there's a for loop
inside the inner shell.
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3203[20:16:15] <glick> what does the x {} + bit do?
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3206[20:17:34] <greycat> This is a work in progress, but it
explains:
replaced-url
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3208[20:17:51] <greycat> See also
replaced-url
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3212[20:18:40] <glick> cool greycat
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3213[20:18:48] <glick> nice guide
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3215[20:19:14] <spacebug^> when I'm going to upgrade to
Stretch - should I first disable my backport.list for apt?
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3216[20:19:16] <jhutchins_wk_> greycat: Got anything on ssh
tunneling?
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3217[20:19:29] <greycat> Yes, but it's very old.
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3219[20:19:39] <greycat>
replaced-url
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3222[20:20:36] <greycat> spacebug^: shouldn't matter,
really.
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3224[20:21:48] <spacebug^> greycat: ok, thanks
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3227[20:23:25] <webuser5-> Hello everyone
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3231[20:24:44] <webuser5-> How does one keep their system secure?
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3233[20:25:13] <greycat> Apply security patches regularly,
don't break things yourself.
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3235[20:25:29] <webuser5-> My precise question would be: are
there many attacks who target default packages of, say, Debian
Stable?
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3236[20:25:51] <webuser5-> Or are they mostly happening when the
users uses a browser, surfs the web and downloads and opens files?
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3237[20:26:02] <webuser5-> which*
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3239[20:26:14] <greycat> Most attacks on Unix/Linux systems would
be against network-listening services like Apache or sshd.
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3244[20:28:35] <webuser5-> Also including something like package
managers?
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3247[20:29:41] <greycat> I'm not sure what you are thinking
of. If you want to break into someone's system by offering them
a package to install, you don't NEED a vulnerability in the
package manager. The package is installed as root. Just put your
malicious code directly in the package (e.g. in the postinst
script).
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3277[20:39:13] <pie3> any mint user?
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3278[20:39:25] <greycat> !mint
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3279[20:39:25] <dpkg> Linux Mint is not Debian and is not
supported in #debian. Please use their forums at
replaced-url
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3280[20:39:27] <towo`> this is a debian channel
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3282[20:39:43] <webuser5-> And for a Desktop system that
doesn't host content via something like a webserver? What would
be the most critical applications?
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3284[20:39:58] <greycat> If it's a desktop box, probably
your web browser.
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3287[20:40:31] <glick> $
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3288[20:40:36] <glick> whats a good terminal font
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3289[20:40:45] <glick> i can barely tell the difference between a
dollar sign and a s
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3316[20:48:16] <teraflops> glick: just pick a well made one (by
professionals), many fonts suck imo
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3321[20:48:35] <webuser5-> greycat, thanks for your answers.
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3323[20:48:56] <greycat> I just use whatever the default font is.
Some variant of 'fixed', I'm sure.
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3324[20:49:06] <webuser5-> Is there anything regarding, say,
iptables that I should configure after installing a default Debian
Stable?
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3326[20:49:14] <webuser5-> In case I only use the default
packages
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3328[20:49:41] <greycat> No. Debian doesn't set up any
firewall by default, so there is nothing you need to tweak.
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3329[20:50:08] <greycat> It's unlikely that you'd want
any kind of firewall on a desktop box.
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3335[20:51:54] <Resilience> greycat, whre would you want a
firewall? and for what reasons?
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3339[20:52:29] <teraflops> glick: for terminal you want a fixed
width one, and depending on the format (otf, ttf,…) you may
also need to tune the hinting style
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3342[20:53:01] <greycat> Usually on a router that you set up
specifically to *be* a firewall. Very occasionally on a server, but
it would be a weird customized local thing.
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3352[20:59:01] <new-nick> hey there greycat, I left half way
early today. I need to get refresh on what we were talking about.
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3356[21:01:06] <new-nick> Basically, after learning that using
jessie and Stretch will cause Grub Kernel whenever packages updated.
Is there any working solution to use two different version of Debian
on same machine & disk.
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3357[21:01:32] <greycat> Either let 'em fight it out, or
disable the updating of grub from one of 'em.
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3358[21:02:00] <new-nick> Here is my clear intention of using
Debian Jessie & Stretch on same machine/disk
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3363[21:02:45] <new-nick> That's enlightening to disable
Grub updating on one version, probably on Jessie.
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3368[21:03:19] <mtn> new-nick: updating the grub package does not
cause grub to be reintalled to the hard drive
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3369[21:03:40] <mtn> new-nick: dual booting is no problem with
debian or any other distro
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3370[21:03:48] <greycat> I described grub being updated when
kernel, udev, etc. are upgraded.
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3371[21:03:55] <greycat> And STOP notice-ing or msg-ing me.
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3373[21:05:07] <new-nick> ok :) I am sorry that I am not sure how
this notice command works I am trying to figure to send reply with
nickname along. (newbie on IRC)
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3374[21:05:38] <greycat> In most clients, you type the first few
letters of the person's name, then press Tab.
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3375[21:06:32] <new-nick> like mtn said, dual booting should be
supported with Grub with out much problem. And again, like you said,
I can't let it fight with kernel updating
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3378[21:06:43] <greycat> You can.
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3379[21:06:56] <greycat> It is a perfectly viable option.
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3383[21:07:59] <new-nick> to be clear, just installing two
version and not disabling grub updating one version is perfectly
viable?
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3384[21:08:04] <greycat> Yes.
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3386[21:08:34] <mtn> new-nick: yes
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3389[21:09:26] <new-nick> Great then. I even pooling into install
OS one partition and then choose Grub location on a pen drive. This
way I insert pen drive to whenever I want to boot the newly
installed OS.
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3390[21:09:49] <greycat> That's a bit over the top, but
it's your computer.
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3391[21:10:26] <new-nick> greycat: earlier I must be confused to
use the term MBR wrongly.
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3393[21:10:51] <greycat> Your computer uses EFI, so the
"MBR" does not actually exist as such. If we use the very
technical definition.
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3394[21:11:12] <new-nick> greycat: am I using the tab with nick
name command properly .? :)
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3395[21:11:26] <greycat> And I do not fully understand UEFI
booting, so others may be better equipped to answer technical
questions about EFI.
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3396[21:11:36] <greycat> new-nick: yes
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3397[21:12:08] <new-nick> Yes, this computer use EFI and
doesn't has MBR.
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3399[21:13:15] <new-nick> mtn: And I am excitied to know that its
all be okay to use multi-version. Also want to test Stretch with
latest kernel.
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3400[21:13:43] <new-nick> greycat: thumbs up to you! ;-)
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3411[21:17:04] <larvallid> petn-randall, you said the bios
contains microcode for the CPU. what about the wifi adapter?
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3412[21:17:06] <new-nick> Just a general question. I am using
Pidgin. Is there any way to set option to disable not to see this
message "nickame entered the room" seem annoying and
disturbing
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3413[21:18:07] <greycat>
replaced-url
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3416[21:18:51] <greycat> apparently "hide" is more
popular than "disable", but it still got me there
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3417[21:20:10] <new-nick> :)
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3419[21:20:54] <new-nick> greycat: thanks for search phrase and I
use Duck Duck go. Enabled the plug in
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3421[21:21:24] <jvelasquez> how do I `dpkg -i *.deb` in headless
mode? so it doesn't stop to ask any questions?
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3423[21:21:59] <greycat> jvelasquez: dpkg --force-help
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3425[21:22:23] <teraflops> Here for many clients
replaced-url
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