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3 [00:02:01] <GenTooMan> I suspect it failed to start a service
and everything afterward.
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36 [00:44:36] <metbsd> the latest 5.5 kernel fixed the problem
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38 [00:44:51] <metbsd> but the glitch still there, no matter
debian ubuntu or mint
39 [00:44:56] <metbsd> i think it's kernel bug
40 [00:46:22] <warsoul> hello
41 [00:46:26] <warsoul> just did a fresh install
42 [00:46:36] <warsoul> after boot and selecting debian on grub
43 [00:46:50] <warsoul> im getting black screen with blinking
cursor
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47 [00:52:46] <jmcnaught> warsoul: can you tell us anything
about the computer, its GPU? Can you switch to other TTYs with
[ctrl+]alt+F1 etc?
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51 [00:55:47] <metbsd> thanks for help guys
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54 [00:59:05] <metbsd> hopefully new so how do i keep up to date
in backports
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57 [01:01:47] <coruja> metbsd, you want to read about apt
pinning and /etc/apt/preferences[.d/] - or check for backports
kernel updates and upgrade if available manually
58 [01:01:54] <warsoul> jmcnaught yest
59 [01:02:06] <warsoul> i can alt+f2 will take me to terminal
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63 [01:04:03] <grammoboy> I need some help upgrading qnap server
from jessie to stretch.
64 [01:04:32] <grammoboy> python3-minimal segfaults and then I
was smart enough to try to remove python2.7 ...
65 [01:04:37] <warsoul> jmcnaught i install netinstall with non
free firmware
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69 [01:05:48] <grammoboy>
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71 [01:06:12] <grammoboy> now segmentation fault
usr/bin/apt-listchanges
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73 [01:06:33] <warsoul> my gpu is a nvigia rtx 2060 super 8gb
74 [01:07:25] <coruja> warsoul, 'apt install inxi',
then paste output of 'inxi -xxG' (which will show details
of your gfx hard- and software)
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83 [01:18:13] <nemo> jmcnaught: FWIW, I gave backports an honest
try even though I wasn't expecting much
84 [01:18:21] <nemo> jmcnaught: sure 'nuff still failed at
acceleration
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86 [01:18:40] <nemo> jmcnaught: reinstalled amdgpu-pro, and
downgraded xorg with a pin to 1.19 and no more crashing and
acceleration seems to be there
87 [01:18:43] <nemo> sooo yay
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91 [01:20:27] <nemo> if any other poor suckers are in a similar
situation to me, it does seem to work and hasn't broken
anything yet
92 [01:20:30] * nemo crosses his fingers
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94 [01:23:01] <warsoul> coruja: Device-1: NVIDIA vendor:
micro-star msi driver: n/a bus id: 01:00.0 chip id: 10de:1f06
display: tty server:x.org 1.20.4 driver: nouveau,vesa unloaded:
fbdev,modesetting alternate: nv tty: 128x48
95 [01:23:33] <warsoul> message: advanced graphics data
unavailable in console. Try -G --display
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97 [01:26:48] <coruja> warsoul, i don't have any clue on
nvidia hardware except for supposing that you may need some
proprietry drivers (but probably some others here have)
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99 [01:28:56] <coruja> warsoul, does an Xorg.0.log exist and if
so can you paste that too (or look there for error messages first)?
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101 [01:29:16] <warsoul> coruja how do i look for it
102 [01:29:17] <warsoul> ?
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104 [01:30:03] <coruja> in /var/log/ or ~/.local/share/xorg/
105 [01:30:08] <warsoul> whereis Xorg
106 [01:30:37] <warsoul> /usr/bin/Xorg
/usr/share/man/man1/Xorg.1.gz
107 [01:31:01] <coruja> nothing in the two dirs i mentioned?
108 [01:31:45] <warsoul> on first one
109 [01:31:48] <warsoul> /var/log
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111 [01:32:19] <grammoboy>
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112 [01:32:35] <grammoboy> W: APT had planned for dpkg to do more
than it reported back (901 vs 905).
113 [01:32:35] <grammoboy> Affected packages:
apt-listchanges:armel
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115 [01:32:50] <grammoboy> apt-get dist-upgrade
116 [01:32:57] <warsoul> how do i install the package to do copy
to termbin.com
117 [01:33:09] <warsoul> Xorg.0.log has a lot
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119 [01:34:03] <coruja> warsoul, 'cat /path/to/file | nc
termbin.com 9999'
120 [01:34:56] <warsoul>
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121 [01:35:40] <warsoul> dvs hello buddy
122 [01:35:55] <karlpinc> ,pciid 10de:1f06
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124 [01:35:56] <judd> [10de:1f06] is 'TU106 [GeForce RTX
2060 SUPER]' from 'NVIDIA Corporation' with kernel
modules 'nouveau', 'snd-hda-intel' in stretch.
See also
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125 [01:37:02] <karlpinc> warsoul: so, it says you can use the
nouveau driver, or if you want proprietary do -something- to make
that work. There is an nvidia page on the debian wiki.
126 [01:37:26] <warsoul> karlpinc how can i fix it?
127 [01:37:51] <karlpinc> !nvidia
128 [01:37:52] <dpkg> Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing
units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on
Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary
"nvidia" driver, see
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129 [01:38:26] <karlpinc> warsoul: I don't know much more
than how to ask the bot for help.
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133 [01:40:01] <dvs> warsoul, hi
134 [01:40:19] <warsoul> dvs do you know anything about nvidia
with debian?
135 [01:40:35] <dvs> warsoul, nope, I only use AMD.
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139 [01:41:55] <coruja> ,i nvidia-detect
140 [01:41:56] <judd> Package nvidia-detect (non-free/x11,
optional) in buster/amd64: NVIDIA GPU detection utility. Version:
418.113-1; Size: 202.8k; Installed: 261k; Homepage:
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141 [01:42:15] <grammoboy> how do I reinstall the base packages
for debian?
142 [01:42:31] <coruja> maybe this can tell you what's
missing or which driver to install
143 [01:42:36] <grammoboy> I'm probably missing some, cause
apt wants to autoremove a lot
144 [01:42:40] <coruja> warsoul, ^
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146 [01:44:27] <grammoboy>
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147 [01:45:04] <grammoboy> missing some base packages, python2.7
related probably.
148 [01:45:15] <grammoboy> jessie -> stretch dist upgrade
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156 [01:48:52] <grammoboy>
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157 [01:49:24] <grammoboy> apt install --reinstall
apt-listchanges
158 [01:49:34] <coruja> grammoboy, i suppose you've
uninstalled something which we don't know about yet
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160 [01:50:06] <warsoul> WORKED :)
161 [01:50:16] <grammoboy> coruja, yes, and python3 is messing
with me
162 [01:50:33] <grammoboy> that's where it started
163 [01:50:51] <grammoboy> then I should have asked for help I
guess...
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166 [01:51:29] <grammoboy> coruja, I uninstalled pythong 2.7,
which took some packages with it
167 [01:51:57] <coruja> grammoboy, then maybe reinstall python2.7
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170 [01:53:00] <coruja> and maybe leave apt-listchanges, if i
remember right it's quite broken (used to have it installed too
long ago)
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174 [01:58:02] <grammoboy> I did already reinstall python2.7,
doesn't help
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186 [02:02:16] <coruja> grammoboy, try to remember or find out
which packages have gone while uninstalling python2.7
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188 [02:03:03] <coruja> grammoboy, or try to find out what's
missing now compared to your jessie system
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191 [02:05:38] <coruja> grammoboy, in case you want to risk to
auto-remove the mentioned packages, you will be warned if you will
remove essential packages, and you will probably have to install
some packages again afterwards (which you have to do either way i
guess)
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194 [02:07:38] <coruja> but i don't think essential packages
would be suggested for auto-removal anyway
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196 [02:10:14] <grammoboy> will my system reboot, that's the
question
197 [02:10:19] <grammoboy> atm
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199 [02:10:57] <dvs> grammoboy, you're system will reboot.
The question is will be come back?
200 [02:11:11] <grammoboy> right
201 [02:11:31] <coruja> as long as there is a boot loader, some
kernel and systemd it should but to be sure better have a live media
at hand
202 [02:11:38] <grammoboy> now it bleeps and I want to go to
sleep
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207 [02:17:14] <grammoboy> it seems to reboot
208 [02:17:19] <grammoboy> so far so good I guess
209 [02:17:28] <grammoboy> more later
210 [02:17:29] <grammoboy> thx
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233 [02:48:06] <warsoul> coruja i install nvidia driver
234 [02:48:15] <warsoul> and everything work perfect :)
235 [02:48:16] <warsoul> thanks a lot
236 [02:48:29] * annadane scowls.
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238 [02:48:58] <coruja> warsoul, well done and you're
welcome :)
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242 [02:54:53] <dvs> hmmmm, amazing what happens when you install
the right driver
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254 [03:04:02] <warsoul> coruja cant change wallpaper
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261 [03:07:30] <coruja> warsoul, which desktop environment or
window manager?
262 [03:07:40] <warsoul> xfce
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266 [03:08:34] <coruja> changing wallpaper in xfce settings
doesn't do?
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268 [03:10:03] <warsoul> no
269 [03:10:04] <annadane> what have you tried doing to change the
wallpaper?
270 [03:10:08] <annadane> works here
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272 [03:10:14] <warsoul> download a image
273 [03:10:23] <warsoul> cant selected to put it as wallpaper
274 [03:10:33] <annadane> do you click on it and nothing happens?
275 [03:10:39] <warsoul> nop
276 [03:10:44] <warsoul> exactly
277 [03:10:56] <annadane> no idea, it should work
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280 [03:12:02] <warsoul> annadane image is in .jpg format
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298 [03:36:02] <coruja> warsoul, though targetting ubuntu, does
this help?
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356 [04:34:52] <wikan> do you know why ctrl+arrows deletes lines
when I work with vim in tmux?
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358 [04:38:41] <wikan> found answer at #vim
359 [04:39:21] <annadane> !next
360 [04:39:21] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
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362 [04:40:06] <ryouma> what is a good lightweight screenshotter
that i can crop without trouble? i use fluxbox.
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366 [04:44:14] <warsoul>
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367 [04:44:33] <warsoul> is that true?
368 [04:45:45] <sney> looks misleading. a total number of
security flaws over a period of 20 years? a lot of that is going to
be because debian has more people working on the OS who noticed the
issues or acknowledged reports, etc
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371 [04:47:48] <tds> would also be curious as to what they
consider a security flaw in debian - eg do you count every CVE in
every package?
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373 [04:48:23] <sney> doesn't say anything about the average
time any of those vulnerabilities remained unpatched/unfixed. for
all you know, the way they were even able to get that number from
debian is because security is taken seriously and there's a
tracker:
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376 [04:50:28] <oxek> what's the proper way of getting this
on my debian installation?
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378 [04:50:44] <tds> based on that article, it sounds like they
used
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380 [04:53:49] <sney> oxek: help it get packaged.
replaced-url
381 [04:53:50] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
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383 [04:55:50] <oxek> sney: I don't know what help I could
provide
384 [04:56:15] <tds> i'm not a rust person, but
replaced-url
385 [04:56:16] <oxek> plus afaik it would only get packaged for
testing, so I'd need to wait years
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388 [04:57:43] <tds> otherwise you could always get rust from
debian, but build ffsend yourself
389 [04:58:34] <sney> once a package is debianized, even if it
only lives on mentors.debian.net, it's usually possible to
build it for any release within reason. but yes, if you're not
a rust dev and/or you don't want to be a maintainer, tds's
suggestion works too
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392 [05:01:06] <ryouma> somebody might put it in backports
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394 [05:01:09] <ryouma> ?
395 [05:01:36] <annadane> they could, but it would get... rusty.
396 [05:01:39] <annadane> YEEEEEEEEAH!
397 [05:01:44] <sney> >:|
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399 [05:03:01] <tds> just try and avoid breaking anything
system-wide, eg you almost certainly want rust from debian packages
rather than rustup or something weird, and do your building
somewhere sensible as an unpriv user :)
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404 [05:06:48] <UncleKiwi> hi - can i install zfs as root and
boot etc
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409 [05:11:47] <sney> UncleKiwi: these instructions look pretty
comprehensive.
replaced-url
410 [05:12:09] <sney> it's not supported through the debian
installer though.
411 [05:12:47] * sney just has a regular ext4 disk with the OS and then
zfs volumes for data including /home
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414 [05:17:12] <UncleKiwi> thanks sney
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468 [06:44:49] <gh00p> Hiya. I'm having problems controlling
CPU fans on my Supermicro X9DRL-iF motherboard using ipmitool, and
would love some tips. There's nothing in BIOS about fan speed
control, and I've tried using `ipmitool thresh` with no effect.
Any hint as to what I should be looking for? The fans are slow when
I turn on the machine, then speed up as boot messages fly by.
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511 [07:40:58] <Intelo> Whats wrong here?
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512 [07:45:32] <ansimita> Intelo: Seems like you don't have
the appropriate permissions to write to the file.
513 [07:45:48] <Intelo> ansimita: its sudo
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515 [07:47:32] <ansimita> Intelo: Still doesn't mean you
will have the appropriate permissions.
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517 [07:49:17] <Intelo> ansimita: what should be correct command?
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520 [07:50:40] <ansimita> Intelo: IDK.
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522 [07:51:11] <Intelo> ansimita: echo | sudo tee a-
"GUACAMOLE_HOME=/etc/guacamole" >>
/etc/default/tomcat9 > /dev/null
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525 [07:53:03] <ansimita> Intelo: My method is usually: sudo sh
-c "echo GUACAMOLE_HOME=/etc/guacamole >>
/etc/default/tomcat9"
526 [07:54:18] <Intelo> k
527 [07:54:29] <Intelo> I just did sudo su
528 [07:54:33] <Intelo> then ran command of echo
529 [07:55:00] <Katana_Steel> echo GUACAMOLE_HOME=/etc/guacamole
| sudo tee -a /etc/default/tomcat9
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533 [07:56:40] <Katana_Steel> Output redirects are done as the
current user, even when using sudo
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535 [07:57:50] <Katana_Steel> Using tee with sudo, tee gets
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539 [07:59:03] <Katana_Steel> And -a is the append flag for tee,
analogous to the >> output redirect
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557 [08:18:21] <EvanCarroll> is there any link as to why debian
stopped compiling curl with tls 1.2?
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582 [08:47:29] <themill> EvanCarroll: you can change that config
in /etc/ssl/openssl.cnf but as the man page says, it's not
considered secure
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587 [08:49:25] <themill> (also, it's --tlsv1.2 not -2 that
you want)
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612 [09:04:41] <EvanCarroll> What I wanted was `--ciphers
DEFAULT@SECLEVEL=1`
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614 [09:04:46] <cpwho> hi
615 [09:04:50] <EvanCarroll> well, that worked anyway.
616 [09:05:26] <cpwho> how i turn sistem massage off? in HexChat?
617 [09:05:46] <EvanCarroll> I mean if we're going to change
the default from upstream curl, we should documented it in `man
curl`. I assume everyone will think the `-k` flag controls this, so
it'd be good to have a mention there too
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619 [09:06:31] <Johann> EvanCarroll: it's a change in
OpenSSL, not curl
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623 [09:08:30] <EvanCarroll> ah
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625 [09:09:11] <annadane> cpwho, might want to ask #hexchat
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627 [09:09:30] <cpwho> ok thx
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632 [09:12:56] <Johann> EvanCarroll: the issue here, is that the
server DH key is only 1024 bits which is not allowed by SECLEVEL=2
(the new default in openssl in debian).
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664 [09:32:01] <Jim`O`brian> Is it possible to connect with Tor
in freenode
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696 [09:58:22] <inch> When preseeding debian, what is the best
way of telling which block device debian is being installed to?
I'd like to preseed an installation that boots in both bios and
efi.
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698 [09:59:00] <inch> I try to make that happen by running
grub-install --target=i386-pc in late_command
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704 [10:07:14] <inch> I have "d-i partman-auto/disk string
/dev/vda /dev/nvme0n1 /dev/sda /dev/mmcblk0" earlier in the
preseed, so I'll try "if dpkg -l grub-efi-amd64-bin ; then
for d in /dev/vda /dev/nvme0n1 /dev/sda /dev/mmcblk0 ; do if test -b
$d ; then grub-install --target=i386-pc $d ; break ; fi ; done ;
fi" in late_command.
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724 [10:29:44] <no_gravity> Good Morning
725 [10:30:19] <darsie> overcast morning
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728 [10:37:56] <cusco> hello! I'm not used to dealing with
postgres, however I'm now trying some django stuff that uses
it, so I installed a local server.. Now it seems I have two
servers,, version 11 and version 12
729 [10:38:07] <no_gravity> I noticed that prefixing grep with
"LANG=C" doubles its performance. I wonder if there is a
downside of doing so.
730 [10:38:28] <cusco> my question is: can I uninstall one of
them? how do I know my django will still be having its data on
version 12?
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745 [10:57:26] <miskatonic> does LANG=C handle unicode?
746 [10:58:26] <n_1-c_k> cusco, see
/usr/share/doc/postgresql-common/README.Debian.gz and
postgresql-common(7)
747 [10:58:38] <themill> indeed it does not; ranges like [a-z]
have a different meaning in different locales too
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751 [11:03:37] <miskatonic> so there is already one potential
downside
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763 [11:18:37] <kristijonas> Trying to understand /etc/services.
For example:
764 [11:18:37] <kristijonas> submissions 465/tcp ssmtp smtps urd
# Submission over TLS [RFC8314] // are ones on the right are
alternative names for ports?
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784 [11:42:12] <otyugh> #where are the isos ?
replaced-url
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888 [12:03:19] <isshi> exit
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894 [12:05:20] <Yruama> hello, can remember me the debian bug
tracker ?
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900 [12:10:20] <ksk> !bts
901 [12:10:20] <dpkg> Bug Tracking System for Debian packages,
replaced-url
902 [12:10:25] <ksk> Yruama: ^
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906 [12:11:23] <jmcnaught> kristijonas: yes, the man page for
that file calls them aliases
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915 [12:17:08] <Intelo> Whats the best and easiest way to setup a
remote desktop? VNC? if so, which one?
916 [12:17:19] <Yruama> i did the upgrade to debian 10 yesterday,
and i have an USB3 issue, my usb3 key and dique aren't
recognized when i use them with my USB3 hub
917 [12:17:44] <ksk> Intelo: the freedom of linux is that you
have all the ways to reach your goal ;)
918 [12:18:04] <ksk> there is X-forwarding, or using vnx. I used
xtightvnc in the past for example - but I am sure others are also
good.
919 [12:18:05] <Intelo> ksk: and theres only one best way
920 [12:18:19] <ksk> Intelo: but only for your setup. Setups
differ.
921 [12:18:24] <Intelo> hm
922 [12:18:34] <Intelo> xtightvnc vs tightvnc?
923 [12:19:15] <Intelo> ksk: why not just tightvnc?
924 [12:19:24] <Intelo> ksk: I am trying guacamole
925 [12:19:29] <Intelo> for that I need vnc
926 [12:20:29] <ksk> tightvncserver is the servers package, and
xtightvncviewer is the client package. calling them like "apt
show package" can tell you that much
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930 [12:21:43] <ksk> "Apache Guacamole is a clientless
remote desktop gateway." mhhm that looks interesting indeed,
gonna check that out myself.
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932 [12:22:21] <ksk>
replaced-url
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935 [12:23:38] <ksk> and I dont know about the names, ask the
author of the software. Maybe because that client is meant to be run
inside an X-Server environment (indicating there could be another,
thats not in linux - maybe windows?).
936 [12:24:21] <ksk> but yeah, a little confusing :)
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945 [12:34:49] <An0nyM0u5> Im having a weird issue: clean install
of kali, when i try to download via the web browser, the wifi
network seems to hang and will only work again if i disconnect and
reconnect to the wifi router.Any suggestions on how to resolve ?
946 [12:35:46] <ksk> !kali
947 [12:35:47] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
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949 [12:38:17] <An0nyM0u5> ksk - lol, i have asked there too.
kali based on debian so... and this is a wifi/networking issue, the
base build is the same
950 [12:38:22] <ksk> ,v guacamole
951 [12:38:23] <judd> Package: guacamole on amd64 -- jessie:
0.8.3-1.1; sid: 0.9.9+dfsg-1; stretch: 0.9.9+dfsg-1
952 [12:38:43] <ksk> Intelo: guacamole is not in debian stable
btw, how did you plan on installing it?
953 [12:39:12] <ksk> !based on debian
954 [12:39:12] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have
software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't
and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare
replaced-url
955 [12:39:52] <ksk> An0nyM0u5: I do understand your viewpoint,
please try to understand ours. maybe the debian wiki articles (About
wifi) can give you a hunch on how to debug wifi, but stuff in there
might or might just not apply to kali.
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964 [12:49:14] <robi> how can i autoremove packages i installed
via build-dep?
965 [12:52:03] <nkuttler> good question. i always write them
down..
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967 [12:52:28] <robi> darn
968 [12:52:37] <robi> i hope my scrollback has the output
969 [12:52:44] <nkuttler> robi: see also /var/log/dpkg.log
970 [12:52:45] <robi> i just ran ./configure too ;(
971 [12:52:50] <robi> nkuttler: ah, that's helpful
972 [12:53:09] <nkuttler> you shouldn't run configure
manually though, apt can build for you
973 [12:53:16] <nkuttler> well, unless you want to i guess
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976 [12:53:37] <robi> not a package in the repos
977 [12:53:49] <robi> or rather, a development version
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986 [12:57:29] <Intelo> ksk: ok on tightvnc, ssh works with
guacamole after openssh-server installed. Now need to install vnc in
order for it to use that too. I compiled from source
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997 [13:05:36] <Intelo> ksk: let me know when you have tried it!
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999 [13:05:52] <Intelo> ksk: if you have compared it with x2go,
great
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1018 [13:21:47] <jmd> What does qa.debian.org mean when it says
"The build logs contains a like like " ?
1019 [13:21:58] <jmd> What is a "like like" ?
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1023 [13:25:58] <netcrash> Hello, I have a system with debian
jessie , can't upgrade right now. curl complains a certificate
is invalid althouht it's valid , how can I update all cert
authority in jesise
1024 [13:26:01] <netcrash> *jessie
1025 [13:29:14] <coruja> !bat
1026 [13:29:14] <dpkg> [Basic Apt* Troubleshooting]. To diagnose
your problem, we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete
output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used)
2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL
packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache
policy". Use
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1030 [13:34:41] <netcrash>
replaced-url
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1040 [13:48:09] <miskatonic> finally removed systemd. I guess
removing udev results in an unbootable kernel image, so i better
don't try
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1056 [14:04:28] <RoyK> miskatonic: what's the point of
removing systemd? it works :)
1057 [14:06:18] <miskatonic> systemd is part of Pottering's
efforts to turn linux into a clone of windows
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1067 [14:18:36] <sgo11> What are `iwlwifi_1-virtual-0` and
`pch_cannonlake-virtual-0` in sensors output? It shows a high
temperature value 66.0°C. Should I care? The stdout of sensors:
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1073 [14:22:53] <ratrace> miskatonic: #devuan is that way tho
-->
1074 [14:24:13] <ada_lovelace> hey y'all, thanks for being
awesome. does anyone know of a sip and/or sms and/or signal-app
oriented channel/irc-server?
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1381 [15:21:56] <RoyK> miskatonic: no, it's not
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1385 [15:29:03] <ratrace> RoyK: trollz be trollin' tho :)
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job of ignoring :)
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1400 [15:47:51] <mason> ratrace: I only see the discussion, not
the cause.
1401 [15:48:36] <sgo11> should I repost my queston because of the
flood?
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1403 [15:48:44] <mason> If I were an op I wouldn't have the
luxury, but, well, there we are.
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1406 [15:49:27] <mason> sgo11: Yeah, looks like temperature
sensors.
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1408 [15:50:05] <mason> sgo11: Web searches show people talking
about these, looking at fans, etc.
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1420 [16:02:48] <sgo11> mason: thanks for the reply. so what are
they actually? It's 60 degree all the time. I thought it was
some fake device because it has virtual keyword in it.
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1423 [16:04:09] <mason> sgo11: I'm not sure how the naming
arises, but I'd want to look at normal operating temperatures
and see how far you are from them, and look at overall cooling as
your response since you won't have dedicated fans.
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1428 [16:07:26] <sgo11> mason: sorry, I don't fully
understand what you mean. How do I know the normal operating
temperature? I don't know what they are.
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1430 [16:08:32] <mason> sgo11: Dunno, looking at things like
replaced-url
1431 [16:08:43] <mason> sgo11: obtained via a search for
pch_cannonlake-virtual-0
1432 [16:09:15] <mason>
replaced-url
1433 [16:10:35] <sgo11> One more question regarding storing ssh
passphrase in gpg-agent (or gpg store). I followed one article and
enabled gpg-agent to my ssh, this is the result
replaced-url
1434 [16:10:43] <blurkis> sgo11: some suggestion upon google those
in your sensors that are not the cpu: motherboard and wifi chipset?
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1436 [16:11:23] <sgo11> mason: thanks a lot. I will check those
URLs.
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1438 [16:11:52] <mason> sgo11: Things might have changed, but
gpg-agent has been painful for me when I've tried to use it
with ssh, so after some effort I stopped trying and went back to
ssh-agent.
1439 [16:12:24] <sgo11> blurkis: Is that normal if motherboard and
wifi chipset are 65.0°C just after boot? That sounds too high to
me. This is a new laptop I bought.
1440 [16:13:19] <sgo11> mason: with ssh-agent, I still need to
enter the passphrase once on every reboot. How to avoid it? I
don't find a solution yet in debian. In MacOS, it's very
simple. Just adding `-A` argument to ssh-add. That's all.
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1443 [16:14:09] <mason> sgo11: The only way to avoid it would be
to store the passphrase on disk, and you don't want to do that.
1444 [16:14:22] <mason> sgo11: If you were to do that, you might
as well just use passwordless keys.
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1446 [16:15:04] <blurkis> sgo11: would assume its ok. Dont fix
whats not broken. :)
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1448 [16:16:50] <sgo11> mason: what MacOS did is simple. It has a
built-in keyring store. It stores the ssh passphrase in the keyring
store. System login will unlock the keyring store. I would like to
achieve the same in debian. This is just similar concept to
ecryptfs.
1449 [16:17:18] <sgo11> blurkis: yeah, right. :) I am just
curious.
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1451 [16:18:51] <mason> sgo11: So, you're still logging in
there. There's still something protecting the key. Maybe what
you want to do is look at G.N.O.M.E.'s keyring or something
similar that'll integrate with login.
1452 [16:19:08] <blurkis> sgo11: actually cannonlake might be the
GPU. Some suggests that on google.
1453 [16:19:44] <miskatonic> is storing the passphrase to an USB
stick possible?
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1455 [16:20:46] <b1ack0p> hi
1456 [16:20:49] <mason> miskatonic: Anything's a SMOP.
Depends on your goals.
1457 [16:20:54] <b1ack0p> what was the package name for screenshot
app?
1458 [16:21:06] <b1ack0p> gnome had one as i remember but i am on
xfce
1459 [16:21:11] <b1ack0p> xfce also had similar to gnomes i guess
1460 [16:21:39] <sgo11> mason: yeah, I heard gnome keyring by
search. I just want to avoid installing too much gnome. I am running
xfce. maybe gnome keyring is the only solution. I have to look into
it.
1461 [16:21:39] <miskatonic> scrot can do screenshots
1462 [16:21:41] <mason> b1ack0p: I like scrot for the purpose, but
you might be talking about xfce4-screenshooter
1463 [16:21:57] <phorce1> anybody having trouble connecting to
https sites with CLI utilities like wget and rsstail --- getting a
certificate is expired error even though a browser connects fine and
shows a good certificate?
1464 [16:22:03] <b1ack0p> well it had options to grab entire
screen or select area
1465 [16:22:06] <b1ack0p> and save in pictures
1466 [16:22:12] <b1ack0p> how is the scrot?
1467 [16:22:18] <mason> b1ack0p: Does all that.
1468 [16:22:30] <b1ack0p> actually i am looking something similar
to Greenshot but it doesnt have linux pack
1469 [16:22:35] <b1ack0p> do you know greenshot?
1470 [16:23:09] <sgo11> blurkis: ok. The name virtual device makes
me think it's not a real device.
1471 [16:23:10] <miskatonic> i only know that scrot is DE agnostic
1472 [16:23:24] <mason> b1ack0p: try scrot - so far it's got
the lion's share of votes in here. :P
1473 [16:23:37] <b1ack0p> ookk
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1475 [16:24:12] <sgo11> I think you can simply press PrtSc button.
It will call xfce4-screenshooter for you.
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1477 [16:25:17] <b1ack0p> mason: how to run it?
1478 [16:25:19] <miskatonic> according to aptituude: scrot (SCReen
shOT) is a simple command line screen capture utility that uses
imlib2 to grab and save images. Multiple image formats are supported
through imlib2's dynamic saver modules.
1479 [16:25:33] <b1ack0p> how to attend to prtscr key?
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1482 [16:28:07] <sgo11> b1ack0p: sorry, I am not a native English
speaker. What do you mean by "how to attend to prtscr
key?"
1483 [16:28:13] <b1ack0p> miskatonic: i wanna use prtscr key..
1484 [16:28:21] <b1ack0p> to take screenshots
1485 [16:28:32] <mason> b1ack0p: Most window managers (and XFCE as
I remember) give you a way to attach commands to hotkeys. A quick
search shows a bunch of options for XFCE. I'd recommend setting
keys for scrot -s, scrot -u, and other options in case you want to
select, have a time delay, get the whole screen, etc.
1486 [16:28:33] <b1ack0p> miskatonic: well i tried scrot on
terminal but nothing happened
1487 [16:28:45] <b1ack0p> where does it stores the screenshots?
not in pictures folder it seems
1488 [16:28:49] <b1ack0p> sgo11: i am not native as well
1489 [16:28:50] <mason> b1ack0p: Look at ~/*scrot* now.
1490 [16:29:11] <mason> b1ack0p: run it as "scrot -s" to
select a box for capture
1491 [16:29:29] <b1ack0p> oh it stores in /home/user dir
1492 [16:29:39] <greycat> b1ack0p: in the directory where you ran
scrot, of course
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1494 [16:30:03] <miskatonic> if xfce comes with its own
screenshooter, the latter is probably preferrable over any
third-party tool.
1495 [16:30:04] <b1ack0p> well scrot is not my taste
1496 [16:30:12] <greycat> Then use whatever you like.
1497 [16:30:12] <b1ack0p> it doesnt let me select area by mouse
1498 [16:30:18] <greycat> It does, if you use -s.
1499 [16:30:19] <b1ack0p> yea better use other one
1500 [16:30:23] <b1ack0p> i did -s
1501 [16:30:29] <greycat> Then you're just lying.
1502 [16:30:34] <b1ack0p> it just selected the area where mouse
pointer is
1503 [16:30:42] <bjarne333> I suddenly one day started receiving
daily emails from unattended upgrades: "Unattended upgrade
returned: None". How does that happen? (debian 8)
1504 [16:30:46] <b1ack0p> i never lie greycat
1505 [16:30:56] <b1ack0p> especially about such things
1506 [16:31:02] <b1ack0p> not necessary to lie
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1508 [16:31:24] <sgo11> The default xfce4-screenshooter is pretty
good. Let you choose where to save, where to capture.
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1510 [16:31:30] <greycat> (1) open terminal. (2) type "scrot
-s". (3) drag a rectangle with the mouse button 1 held down.
(4) release mouse button 1. (5) your file is ready.
1511 [16:31:52] <b1ack0p> why the hell it opens pictures in
firefox
1512 [16:31:57] <sgo11> do you have a PrtSc key? Just press it.
b1ack0p
1513 [16:32:02] <b1ack0p> xfce didnt install some things by
default i think
1514 [16:32:12] <miskatonic> what is the prtscr key? is it only
available on multimedia keyboards?
1515 [16:32:13] <b1ack0p> sgo11: yes
1516 [16:32:44] <greycat> miskatonic: it's called "Print
Screen" on my keyboard.
1517 [16:33:00] <sgo11> miskatonic: it's: xdotool key Print
1518 [16:33:18] <greycat> miskatonic: on my keyboard, it's to
the right of F12 (with a small gap between them).
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1523 [16:33:47] <LtL> b1ack0p: what desktop do you use?
1524 [16:34:00] <greycat> they said xfce multiple times, so
I'm guessing xfce
1525 [16:34:07] <LtL> sorry
1526 [16:34:13] <b1ack0p> LtL: xfce
1527 [16:34:17] <b1ack0p> well about scrot
1528 [16:34:51] <LtL> b1ack0p: xfce4-screenshooter and
xfce4-goodies
1529 [16:34:59] <b1ack0p> to use scrot it needs terminal and when
i make -s it takes current terminal screen only
1530 [16:35:17] <b1ack0p> how will i take scr for another passive
item ?
1531 [16:35:21] <b1ack0p> something else?
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1534 [16:35:53] <miskatonic> does xfce not allow to assign hotkeys
to commands?
1535 [16:35:54] <b1ack0p> scrot is terminal based only right? so i
cant use it by PrtScr key?
1536 [16:36:06] <b1ack0p> miskatonic: it allows
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1538 [16:36:25] <greycat> You can bind a key to run this command.
That's what people are telling you to do.
1539 [16:36:36] <Retro68> quit
1540 [16:36:43] <b1ack0p> xfce4-goodies already installed
1541 [16:36:50] <LtL> b1ack0p: xfce4-screenshooter
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1543 [16:37:16] <b1ack0p> oh i already have screenshooter
installed
1544 [16:37:18] <b1ack0p> but
1545 [16:37:24] <b1ack0p> why doesnt key work?
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1547 [16:38:04] <LtL> b1ack0p: hrm, printscreen always worked for
me on xfce4
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1549 [16:38:18] <b1ack0p> it doesnt work for me now..
1550 [16:38:22] <b1ack0p> weird
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1552 [16:40:00] <sgo11> b1ack0p: execute xfce4-keyboard-settings
1553 [16:40:05] <miskatonic> check the settings or configuration
files?
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1556 [16:40:35] <b1ack0p>
replaced-url
1557 [16:40:39] <sgo11> b1ack0p: in Application Shortcuts tab,
check the key binding of xfce4-screenshooter
1558 [16:40:55] <b1ack0p> sgo11: there is no key binding for
screenshooter
1559 [16:41:43] <sgo11> b1ack0p: in xfce4-keyboard-settings ? then
add it by yourself. it should be there though.
1560 [16:41:57] <b1ack0p> i added now
1561 [16:42:07] <b1ack0p> it was not added by default
1562 [16:42:20] <b1ack0p> so now i need an image viewer
1563 [16:42:34] <b1ack0p> i forgot the name but gnome or something
else had one
1564 [16:42:44] <b1ack0p> icon was like orange sunset
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1566 [16:42:57] <b1ack0p> what was the name of the image viewer
pack?
1567 [16:42:57] <miskatonic> feh maybe?
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1569 [16:43:08] <sgo11> I like sxiv.
1570 [16:43:08] <b1ack0p> no
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1572 [16:43:23] <b1ack0p> it was somethig different
1573 [16:44:04] <sgo11> nomacs, gthumb, eog, gqview, sxiv
1574 [16:44:21] <b1ack0p> non
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1578 [16:46:28] <miskatonic> gimp may also view images but is an
overkill if it is just for viewing them
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1580 [16:47:46] <b1ack0p> gimp is not an image viewer!
1581 [16:47:47] <EdePopede> geeqie to add another one to the list
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1583 [16:48:13] <b1ack0p> well someone in #xfce recommended in
past but i forgot the name
1584 [16:48:17] <b1ack0p> it had sunset icon
1585 [16:48:23] <b1ack0p> orange or blueish
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1590 [16:50:58] <sgo11> what is the recommended keyring program to
store my ssh passphrase? Do I really need to install gnome keyring?
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1592 [16:51:46] <EdePopede> isn't mspaint on github? ;)
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1597 [16:53:09] <greycat> ssh-agent and ssh-add exist
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1601 [16:55:13] <sgo11> greycat: I don't want to enter
passprase on every reboot.
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1613 [17:01:37] <sgo11> I am running xfce. Is installing
gnome-keyring enough for it to store my ssh passphrase and unlock
upon login? or do I have to install seahorse too? Thanks.
1614 [17:01:54] <kieto> Hi! How can I know which gnutls package is
using the wget binary? I want to upgrade gnutls to the latest
version so that it reflects on wget SSL verification, but there are
many *gnutls* packages installed on the system
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1617 [17:03:30] <karlpinc> kieto: Why not let the debian security
team take care of it?
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1619 [17:03:53] <kieto> karlpinc: because I need to test if this
would solve my issue
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1622 [17:05:15] <karlpinc> kieto: I'd compile gnutls from
source, and wget, and statically link.
1623 [17:05:40] <sgo11> damn. anyway. ignore my question. I have
both seahorse and gnome-keyring installed. I never knew..
1624 [17:06:42] <sgo11> damn. gnome-keyring-daemon process is
actually running by default. but why doesn't it remember my ssh
passphrase?
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1629 [17:11:35] <b1ack0p> is this happening because of poor gpu?
replaced-url
1630 [17:11:39] <b1ack0p> or something else?
1631 [17:12:19] <lawr3nce> black0p what's your bash command?
1632 [17:12:27] <b1ack0p> mpv url
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1634 [17:12:47] <b1ack0p> i mean mpv is corrupting while playing
yt url
1635 [17:12:51] <b1ack0p> why is that?
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1649 [17:17:31] <karlpinc> kieto: (And not install any of it.)
1650 [17:17:46] <karlpinc> kieto: See otherwise, <stow>,
etc.
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1652 [17:19:13] <lawr3nce> black0p is gpu hw acceleration working
properly?
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1658 [17:22:50] <EdePopede> happening all the time here when i
switch desktops. even with terminals, but it's notmal in
firefox.
1659 [17:23:07] <EdePopede> only thing new to me is that it
overlays the titlebar
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1663 [17:27:29] <Mate_cz> Hello, sorry for the noob question - I
have a distro based on debian - devuan on arm machine. Does anybody
knows the easy way to expand sd card to full size (from 2GB to
16GB)? gparted is not included. Can creat wpa_supplicant to connext
to wifi. Theres no gui in the distro.. thanks in advance
1664 [17:27:46] <dvs> !devuan
1665 [17:27:47] <dpkg> Devuan (replaced-url
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1667 [17:28:23] <Mate_cz> ok, thx for channel
1668 [17:29:22] <jmcnaught> sgo11: did you get a prompt to unlock
the keyring? Have you started a new session since installing it? If
you look in seahorse is there a section for SSH keys, is it empty?
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1671 [17:31:55] <grammoboy> I tried to dist upgrade from jessie to
stretch, got some python 3 problems, removed python 2.7 and later
reinstalled it. Now apt wants to autoremove a lot of packages and my
qnap server keep beeping
1672 [17:31:56] <grammoboy>
replaced-url
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1685 [17:41:15] <miskatonic> mark those packages as manually
installed which you don't want ti be removed
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1688 [17:42:46] <bjarne333> im unable to ssh with my public key. I
have tried everything. pls help
1689 [17:43:18] <greycat>
replaced-url
1690 [17:44:04] <grammoboy> miskatonic, i've no idea if I
need these packages. Probably missing one somewher
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1705 [17:53:09] <miskatonic> I don't see a connection to
python for most of the packages in grammoboy's file
1706 [17:53:51] <jmcnaught> grammoboy: I would probably check that
at least all of the packages in the priorities required, important
and standard are installed. If you have aptitude installed you can
do that with a command like "aptitude search ~pstandard
~prequired ~pimportant"
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1708 [17:54:35] <grammoboy> and the qnap keeps beeping, red flash
every 0.5 sec, beep 1.5 sec. Raid related? hmm
1709 [17:54:57] <jmcnaught> grammoboy: have you checked the
journal or syslog?
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1711 [17:55:31] <grammoboy> jmcnaught, no, I'm not a real
expert... will check how to check them
1712 [17:56:40] <jmcnaught> grammoboy: you can follow the journal
live with "journalctl -f" or "tail -f
/var/log/syslog" to watch for errors. "man
journalctl" for the various filters you can use to narrow
things down.
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1720 [18:00:04] <bjarne333> greycat: thanks. turns out the
user's $HOME is pointing to /var/replaced-url
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1722 [18:03:35] <grammoboy> what is idA for apt?
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1724 [18:04:30] <b1ack0p> which music player is good? is
rhythymbox ok?
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1730 [18:06:27] <grammoboy> jmcnaught, these packages from the
aptitude search command are not installed:
1731 [18:06:28] <grammoboy> aptitude search ~pstandard ~prequired
~pimportant
1732 [18:06:31] <grammoboy> bzip2 hdparm libasprintf0v5
libkadm5clnt-mit11 libkadm5srv-mit11 libkdb5-8 libkrad0
libswitch-perl libwgdb0
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1740 [18:11:01] <jmcnaught> grammoboy: "apt show
<package>" can tell you about each one. You probably want
bzip2, and hdparm might be handy on a NAS. Some of the others look
kerberos related, I don't know if you're using that.
1741 [18:11:20] <grammoboy> installling them, doesn't change
much for apt, still wants to autoremove
1742 [18:11:49] <jmcnaught> grammoboy: the packages that apt wants
to autoremove are dependencies of other packages that used to be
installed (but aren't one of those priorities).
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1746 [18:12:49] <jmcnaught> grammoboy: there are apt logs in
/var/log/apt, you could look around in there and see what got
removed.
1747 [18:13:05] <jmcnaught> grammoboy: is your system in a
half-upgraded state between jessie and stretch?
1748 [18:13:38] <grammoboy> jmcnaught, it was half-upgrade, but
now 'all packages are up-to-date'
1749 [18:14:06] <grammoboy> and it boots at least, with ssh
working
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1751 [18:14:23] <jmcnaught> grammoboy: you did the "apt-get
dist-upgrade" step as well?
1752 [18:14:34] <grammoboy> jmcnaught, yes
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1754 [18:15:41] <jmcnaught> grammoboy: it sounds like you're
not in that bad a shape then, you probably just need to make sure
that packages that you care about are installed. Looking in
/var/log/apt might help you remember if you forget.
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1757 [18:16:06] <grammoboy> ouch: Jun 4 18:15:42 debian
qcontrol[390]: ts209: fan error
1758 [18:16:20] <grammoboy> that caused the beeping probably
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1761 [18:17:10] <miskatonic> yeah, no trickery with apt can repair
defective hardware
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1764 [18:18:11] <grammoboy> there are two problems, one hardware
apparently, and one with apt. If those packages shouldn't have
been removed during the dist upgrade, but I doubt so, cause
libasound2 etc seems to be pretty usual stuff available
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1766 [18:18:56] <grammoboy> so a fan error.... hmm.... meh
1767 [18:19:31] <jmcnaught> grammoboy: did you say something
earlier about having to remove and reinstall python2.7? That's
what I would try to zero in on in the apt logs.
1768 [18:20:11] <grammoboy> jmcnaught, yes, did dive in the logs..
will do again.
1769 [18:20:14] <grammoboy> jmcnaught, thx
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1772 [18:25:17] <grammoboy> hmm
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1773 [18:25:18] <judd> Bug
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1778 [18:28:40] <grammoboy> mine has a fan apparently
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1786 [18:36:59] <grammoboy> could the failing nas fan, also be a
kernel problem (missing modules?)
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1791 [18:42:14] <grammoboy>
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1792 [18:42:15] <judd> Bug
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1794 [18:42:30] <grammoboy> I had to set MODULES=dep
1795 [18:42:44] <grammoboy> COMPRESS=xz
1796 [18:42:59] <grammoboy> in /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf
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1798 [18:44:07] <Yruama> hi, can i have some help to if a bug
already exist and then report it ?
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1802 [18:45:21] <Yruama> i have a USB3 bug when using recent
kernel
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1805 [18:49:19] <karlpinc> Yruama: Check bugs.debian.org
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1811 [18:51:42] <Yruama> karlpinc, unable to make a search by bug
subject i get " An error occurred. Error was: You have to
choose something to select by"
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1831 [19:05:54] <anakimluke> Hello! I noticed an outdated link on
a package info.
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1835 [19:07:10] <greycat> If it's a link to where
jessie's source came from, it's just a historical relic.
1836 [19:07:24] <greycat> ,info lfm
1837 [19:07:25] <judd> Package lfm (utils, optional) in
buster/amd64: simple but powerful file manager for the UNIX console.
Version: 3.1-2; Size: 73.2k; Installed: 288k; Homepage:
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1840 [19:09:07] <greycat> I imagine you're talking about the
"Homepage" link. Note that the stretch version of the page
has a different Homepage link already.
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1843 [19:13:13] <anakimluke> right! thanks greycat! years of doing
linux and I still don't fully understand packages webpages.. :)
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1847 [19:17:06] <miskatonic> lfm is new in buster, no such thing
for stretch
1848 [19:17:47] <jmcnaught> ,v lfm
1849 [19:17:49] <judd> Package: lfm on amd64 -- jessie: 2.3-1;
stretch: 3.0-1; bullseye: 3.1-2; buster: 3.1-2; sid: 3.1-2
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1853 [19:19:00] <greycat> a link to the packages page for jessie
was already given... it's mind-boggling, what did you do that
led you to think it didn't exist before buster?
1854 [19:19:56] <miskatonic> because judd only mentioned lfm on
Buster
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1856 [19:20:25] <greycat> the ,info trigger only shows info for
one version
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1865 [19:31:45] <Yruama> hi again , need help to fill a bug report
1866 [19:32:10] <sney> !reportbug
1867 [19:32:10] <dpkg> reportbug is used to submit bugs to the
Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. See
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1868 [19:32:33] <sney> what step are you stuck on?
1869 [19:33:18] <Yruama> sney "do the following apply to this
bug report?"
1870 [19:33:36] <Yruama> none of item seems to correspond
1871 [19:33:54] <sney> then the answer is no, I believe you press
'n'
1872 [19:34:25] <Yruama> sney it's a list of choice
1873 [19:34:26] <prp-e> Well guys, first of all Hello! Second, I
am currently working on a debian based distribution (two actually)
and I used Will Haley's guide to create a bootable disc. But
after making the ISO by following his instruction, we had
difficulties on UEFI machines (they even didn't recognize the
USB flash as bootable!) so I am here to ask how I can make
1874 [19:34:26] <prp-e> that filesystem.squashfs thing to a
reasonable and usable live disc? (For future reference, here is the
link :
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1876 [19:34:57] <sney> Yruama: have you tried pressing n?
1877 [19:35:13] <Yruama> sney, doesn't do anything
1878 [19:35:27] <sney> then just press enter without selecting any
of the choices
1879 [19:36:02] <Yruama> sney, thnak seems okay
1880 [19:36:34] <Yruama> sney, the first time i get this menu an
item was selected and i wasn't able to have nothing selected
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1882 [19:36:58] <Yruama> f*** not time , i need to go
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1898 [19:54:14] <prp-e> If anyone has an answer for my question,
please feel free to ping me.
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1900 [19:55:51] <sney> prp-e: questions about debian-live
internals are probably more appropriate in #debian-live on OFTC.
"based on debian" is generally not supported at all in
official debian channels though.
1901 [19:56:10] <prp-e> Fine, thanks.
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1922 [20:15:35] <cheapie> Hmm, I've never ran the Debian
installer in low-memory mode before... this might be interesting :P
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1924 [20:16:52] <RoyK> cheapie: how much memory?
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1927 [20:17:26] <cheapie> RoyK: 84MiB, Debian 8 i386
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1929 [20:17:41] <dvs> O_O
1930 [20:17:53] <dvs> I hope you're missing a digit
1931 [20:18:06] <cheapie> I'm not :P
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1933 [20:18:33] <RoyK> cheapie: nice :D
1934 [20:18:44] <RoyK> cheapie: what sort of cpu?
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1937 [20:18:56] <cheapie> 24 soldered + 64 socketed = 88, - 4 for
the iGPU = 84
1938 [20:19:01] <piotr> hello
1939 [20:19:01] <cheapie> RoyK: SiS550
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1941 [20:19:10] <RoyK> cheapie: I would guess you should add a
truckload of swap before starting
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1943 [20:19:26] <Dum> im asking for raspbian, but it's based
on debian so i might get lucky
1944 [20:19:31] <cheapie> I'm coming up to the part of the
installer now where I can create some swap.
1945 [20:19:32] <dvs> It doesn't meet minimum requirements:
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1946 [20:19:42] <FIlystyn> Some time ago when you looked for
debian install every link you got from debian site would follow you
up to
1947 [20:19:46] <FIlystyn>
replaced-url
1948 [20:19:52] <cheapie> dvs: I'm not installing stable,
I'm installing oldoldstable.
1949 [20:19:57] <FIlystyn> or simpler tree of files to download
1950 [20:19:57] <dvs> !raspbian
1951 [20:19:58] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on
Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian
is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use
#raspbian (or #raspberrypi) on irc.freenode.net for support.
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1952 [20:20:00] <FIlystyn> and now
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1954 [20:20:18] <Dum> dvs but you don't even know what
i'm about to ask.
1955 [20:20:31] <Dum> i mean, it's most likely the very same
as debian, and i'd be okay with a debian-answer
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1957 [20:20:42] <FIlystyn>
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1958 [20:20:48] <FIlystyn> you end up in this fucking shit
1959 [20:21:01] <FIlystyn> And lose time to find proper download
site link
1960 [20:21:03] <cheapie> FIlystyn: What are you looking for?
1961 [20:21:13] <FIlystyn> Nothing. I already found
1962 [20:21:18] <FIlystyn> Im complaining
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1964 [20:21:32] <Dum> anyways, i'm okay with answers that are
"debian-only".
1965 [20:21:33] <Dum> i'm trying to achieve a setup where my
external usb disk will hold *all* of the data (except maybe /boot),
and it will be encrypted with LUKS, and the keyfile will be on the
SD card (which is basically always available in /dev/mmcblk0 like
any other disk). are there any decent guides for doing this?
1966 [20:22:06] <dvs> Dum, please ask #raspbin
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1968 [20:22:44] <Dum> dvs don't give me a hard time for no
reason... i'm asking for debian now.
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1970 [20:23:11] <cheapie> IIRC for Debian the installer lets you
select this during installation.
1971 [20:23:22] <dvs> alright, I'lll just wait for an op
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1973 [20:25:46] <cheapie> Meanwhile over here, the installer
successfully created and enabled the swap partition, so memory
isn't such a problem now. It's now (very, very slowly)
continuing with the installation as normal.
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1977 [20:26:40] <cheapie> Note that I'm not expecting this to
yield a usable system - I just want to see if I can get it to run at
all, which it should.
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1980 [20:26:58] <dvs> kaboom!
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1984 [20:29:04] <cheapie> For added performance (or lack thereof)
it's installing over USB 1.1.
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1997 [20:36:29] <greycat> I don't get it. "I know
I'm in the wrong place, and I know what the right place is, but
I'm going to stay here and harass you until an op kicks me
out!"
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1999 [20:36:36] <greycat> What is the rationale behind this?
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2001 [20:36:53] <dvs> Entitlement
2002 [20:38:08] <cheapie> I'd understand it if Raspbian was
*just* Debian tweaked to run properly on those fruit boards, but it
seems like their devs try to screw it up as much as possible out of
the box and so it's really not.
2003 [20:39:20] <greycat> Or if the question was *actually*
generic, like "how do I tell apt to skip Recommends"...
but no, it's about the *installer* and it's about some
*weird* setup.
2004 [20:39:34] <greycat> 100% non-generic.
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2032 [21:03:28] <ghormoon> hi, when setting scaling mode with
xrandr, can i somehow set what is supposed to be the display
resolution? because it obviously scales to wrong one
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2057 [21:16:59] <_0xbadc0de_> hello
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2059 [21:17:45] <_0xbadc0de_> so
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2061 [21:18:12] <_0xbadc0de_> If I want to install wine 4.0 is
that possible? on testing?
2062 [21:18:43] <FIlystyn> If you cumpile everything is possible
2063 [21:18:44] <annadane> that's pretty old, but if you have
the source i'm sure it can be compiled
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2067 [21:19:39] <_0xbadc0de_> meh...
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2069 [21:19:56] <jmcnaught> wine 4.0 is in buster, you could just
use stable.
2070 [21:20:03] <_0xbadc0de_> probably will not fix my issue -
2071 [21:20:34] <annadane> well, you can't downgrade from
testing to stable, unless the user has stable on another machine
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2073 [21:20:45] <annadane> well, then describe your issue first,
if the reason you want wine 4 is due to a problem
2074 [21:20:48] <annadane> ,v wine
2075 [21:20:49] <judd> Package: wine on amd64 -- jessie: 1.6.2-20;
stretch: 1.8.7-2; stretch-backports: 4.0-2~bpo9+1; buster: 4.0-2;
bullseye: 5.0-4; sid: 5.0-4
2076 [21:21:11] <annadane> !debian-next
2077 [21:21:12] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net. See also
replaced-url
2078 [21:21:16] <annadane> you probably want to ask there ^
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2081 [21:23:13] <_0xbadc0de_> this is probably a wine issue, most
likely wine is not developed well enough to run my application
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2083 [21:23:36] <_0xbadc0de_> I have an app that runs quite well,
but then segfaults when it attempts to save some data to disk
2084 [21:24:10] <annadane> you could also ask #winehq
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2086 [21:24:20] <_0xbadc0de_> it actually doesn't segfault
because it has proper error handling and such, but shows some error
dialog
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2092 [21:27:34] <annadane> also note that if you really want you
can install the wine-staging packages from winehq's website,
they have stuff for bullseye
2093 [21:27:52] <annadane> but it would be best to find out what
your issue is before wildly floundering about trying everything
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2095 [21:30:25] <mystic> HELLO
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2097 [21:31:04] <mystic> hello i said
2098 [21:31:57] <annadane> !ask
2099 [21:31:58] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For
example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian
version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I
expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if
anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all
volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get
an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org.
See <smart questions><errors>.
2100 [21:32:13] <mystic> I installed hide top bar in gnome tweaks
but it wont work. please advise
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2102 [21:33:14] <mystic> 'Although GNOME Shell integration
extension is running, native host connector is not detected. Refer
documentation for instructions about installing connector.'
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2111 [21:40:38] <mystic> help me hide top bar please.. i hat eit
2112 [21:40:57] <annadane> !hurry
2113 [21:40:58] <dpkg> well, hurry is Please be patient,
we're all just fellow users, mostly with other things going on.
2114 [21:41:17] <mystic> its important lol
2115 [21:41:19] <annadane> or ask a more gnome-specific channel
2116 [21:41:28] <annadane> i don't use it so i can't
really answer
2117 [21:41:59] <mystic> why cant ubuntu auto hide it in normal
settings.. stiupid
2118 [21:42:05] <annadane> you're using ubuntu?
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2120 [21:42:35] <mystic> yea
2121 [21:42:39] *** greycat sets mode: +q
*!*@ppp-27-55-70-118.revip3.asianet.co.th
2122 [21:42:42] <annadane> well, then why are you here?
2123 [21:42:44] <annadane> !ubuntu
2124 [21:42:44] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not
Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on
chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less
helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on
#debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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2127 [21:44:59] <greycat> 15:44 =mystic> cunt
2128 [21:45:04] <greycat> Yeah, see, that's why.
2129 [21:45:36] <greycat> These entitled assholes just think they
can walk all over us? And then insult us when we try too enforce any
kind of order? No thanks.
2130 [21:45:41] <greycat> 15:45 =mystic> u fuking silence me
for ne real reason.... fucking maggot cunt
2131 [21:45:49] <greycat> Ignoring now.
2132 [21:45:56] <greycat> Forever.
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2139 [21:50:34] <greycat> Hmm, that's probably a dynamic IP
too...
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*!~mystic@ppp*.revip*.asianet.co.th
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2145 [21:51:13] <_0xbadc0de_> hello back
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2153 [21:57:28] <greycat> 15:57 0 - #ubuntu: ban $a:mystic [by
tepper.freenode.net, 7005706 secs ago]
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2155 [21:57:37] <greycat> That's why he keeps trying to come
here.
2156 [21:57:58] <greycat> and, I need to remember these $a
things...
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2164 [22:07:15] <EdePopede> greycat, do you remember
replaced-url
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2167 [22:07:36] <greycat> I have no idea what that is/was.
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2172 [22:10:35] <EdePopede> an overview on some IRC related topics
by some Yvonne Rodenberg, like xchat, freenode. jottit was an Aaron
Swartz project.
2173 [22:11:03] <EdePopede> a simple wiki, you could get your
subdomain by just registering.
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2203 [22:44:52] <glat-agent643> Hello. I am selling cheap
GNU/Linux licenses. $89 today!
2204 [22:46:24] <RoyK> rotfl
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2206 [22:47:35] <sedlav> lmao
2207 [22:47:55] <sedlav> WHy not make it an even $90?
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2209 [22:48:24] <RoyK> sedlav: two for an even $200
2210 [22:48:43] <sedlav> That makes sense...
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2212 [22:48:45] <sedlav> :P
2213 [22:49:05] <RoyK> !op
2214 [22:49:28] <RoyK> or perhaps let him or her go on :)
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2224 [22:52:41] <RoyK> thanks
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2251 [23:17:48] <Crell> Hi folks. I'm trying to process a
file in a shell script, with dash specifically, where I skip any
line that begins with #. I have the processing working, but not
filtering out # lines. Current state of the code is here:
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2252 [23:17:49] <Crell> out comment lines?
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2254 [23:20:15] <greycat> case $line in \#*) continue;; esac
2255 [23:20:37] <greycat> or feed the input file via grep -v
'^#'
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2257 [23:21:47] <RoyK> greycat: or just use a sane language like
perl or python :P
2258 [23:21:57] <Crell> The latter is what line 7 is trying to do
(apparently not successfully)
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2260 [23:22:01] <RoyK> (not that perl is entirely sane, but
whatever)
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2262 [23:22:21] <Crell> RoyK: I use shell scripting under protest,
but at the moment it's the logical tool, sadly.
2263 [23:22:35] <RoyK> Crell: hehe
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2267 [23:24:00] <RoyK> Crell: then loop through the lines and
'if ! `grep -P '\s*^#` > /dev/null 2>&1` ; then
; blabla ; fi'
2268 [23:24:13] <RoyK> Crell: then loop through the lines and
'if ! `grep -P '\s*^#` > /dev/null 2>&1 $line` ;
then ; blabla ; fi'
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2270 [23:24:17] <RoyK> that is
2271 [23:25:11] <RoyK> or perhaps 'if ! `echo $line | grep -P
'\s*^#` > /dev/null 2>&1` ; then ...
2272 [23:25:14] <RoyK> use the latter
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2281 [23:28:24] <Yruama> bug report sended, i hope my explanation
a clear enougth
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2291 [23:31:01] * Crell tries
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2299 [23:40:02] <Crell> @RoyK I'm getting a syntax error on
the ` in the last one. And it's a bit more complex than my
brain can parse myself...
2300 [23:40:32] <Crell> At this point I'm tempted to just
drop comment functionality. :-/
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2318 [23:49:38] <urxtnw> !grub
2319 [23:49:38] <dpkg> GNU GRUB 2 is a portable and powerful boot
loader. Ask me about <grub config> and <grub default>.
To reinstall, ask me about <fixmbr>.
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2320 [23:49:51] <urxtnw> !fixmbr
2321 [23:49:52] <dpkg> To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your
Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2),
mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ;
mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ;
mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target),
run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub
&& grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue
mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
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2324 [23:50:58] <urxtnw> Does anyone know the proper way to
install debian on a portable USB drive that you can just boot from
on other computers? I tried even taking the HDD out of my computer,
made the EFI partition, and the USB won't boot on other laptops
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2326 [23:52:18] <sney> !persistent live
2327 [23:52:19] <dpkg> You can rework the iso-hybrid image that is
used with Debian Live (from Debian 7 "Wheezy" onwards) so
that you can also use it as persistent storage with the live
sessions. See
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2328 [23:52:38] <sney> article is a bit old but I don't see
anything at a glance that wouldn't still work
2329 [23:53:02] <urxtnw> Thank you!
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2331 [23:53:44] <sney> using debian live as the foundation for
what you're doing is the correct approach anyway
2332 [23:54:29] <urxtnw> I actually like that idea a lot
2333 [23:54:39] <cheapie> Hah, nice, Debian (or Linux in general?)
doesn't seem to recognize this CPU either.
2334 [23:54:52] <cheapie> "[ 0.000000] CPU: vendor_id
'SiS SiS SiS ' unknown, using generic init. [ 0.000000]
CPU: Your system may be unstable."
2335 [23:55:06] <cheapie> Haven't had any such stability
problems (yet) but this could be interesting.
2336 [23:55:07] <sney> oh man I remember SiS
2337 [23:55:18] <urxtnw> sney, thank you very much, I will give it
a go
2338 [23:55:26] <sney> urxtnw: np
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2342 [23:56:14] <cheapie> FWIW, it's a SiS550, based on the
Rise mP6 core - 586-class, 200MHz, Not Real Fast™.
2343 [23:57:12] <sney> wasn't it you with the transmeta
crusoe a few weeks ago? where are you getting all of this
prehistoric gear?
2344 [23:57:15] <urxtnw> sney, if I just want command line, what
iso do i choose? standard?
2345 [23:57:17] <urxtnw>
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2346 [23:57:25] <sney> urxtnw: yep, standard for no gui
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2348 [23:57:31] <cheapie> sney: eBay, mostly. It's cheap
enough to get some and screw with it.
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