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• 11[00:02:55] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> MoonGNatRouth: because replaced-url
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• 16[00:05:33] <UnknownFO> So when I launch VLC player, the volume is always at 0%... How can I stop this?
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• 34[00:10:34] <MoonGNatRouth> ac1dh0n3ycl0ud: hm... no, tunneling is not what I want. I just need to join two or more hosts in one network.
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• 46[00:15:31] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> MoonGNatRouth: Host-to-host or subnet-to-subnet?
• 47[00:16:12] <MoonGNatRouth> ac1dh0n3ycl0ud: I think Host-to-host will be enough
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• 51[00:16:40] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> So you want to be able to access any port on host1 from host2 across the 'net without exposing ports on host1?
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• 53[00:17:16] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> Or do you want to be able to access multiple hosts on subnet1 from any given host on subnet2 (across the 'net)
• 54[00:17:24] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> because replaced-url
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• 56[00:19:26] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> MoonGNatRouth, replaced-url
• 57[00:20:20] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> it's much easier (imho) to set up than openvpn et. al.
• 58[00:20:23] <kion> Is there an easy way to set a server on Amazon EBS? apparently the have Ubuntu machines but I cant see Debian on the list to start a server?
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• 61[00:20:47] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> kion: afaik aws has debian servers
• 62[00:20:57] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> kion: disclaimer: i may be very wrong
• 63[00:21:06] <kion> ac1dh0n3ycl0ud, afaik?
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• 70[00:22:03] <MoonGNatRouth> ac1dh0n3ycl0ud: oh my god. I can't think anymore. i need to sleep. thx for links, I'll read them tomorrow.
• 71[00:22:12] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> Good luck
• 72[00:22:16] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> kion: replaced-url
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• 83[00:23:52] <kion> ac1dh0n3ycl0ud, awesome thanks so much, never going back to Ubuntu!
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• 85[00:24:13] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> kion: good call
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• 87[00:24:24] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> kion: and you're so welcome :3
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• 141[00:45:07] <MrHatter> I am considering using autofs for mounting an external hard drive to use for backups, then I started thinking that after 37 mounts fsck will want to do a file system check. What should I do to stop this ?
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• 145[00:46:17] <simonlnu> you don't?
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• 148[00:46:51] <MrHatter> simonlnu, my thoughts are, with drives getting so big, this one is 5tb, how long the fsck takes.
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• 150[00:47:20] <simonlnu> you can set it so it's done less often, but i don't recommend not doing it at all.
• 151[00:47:46] <simonlnu> either a certain amount of time or a certain amount of mounts
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• 153[00:48:32] <MrHatter> hmmm, the other option is to mount it with fstab when the system boots, but what happens if it dies or gets unplugged then somebody remotely restarts the box ?
• 154[00:48:41] <Vainglory> i'm wanting to install maven 3.1.1 or greater using jessie as i'm getting the error: Failed to execute goal com.jayway.maven.plugins.android.generation2:android-maven-plugin:3.8.0:generate-sources (default-generate-sources) on project integration-android: The plugin com.jayway.maven.plugins.android.generation2:android-maven-plugin:3.8.0 requires Maven version 3.1.1
• 155[00:49:40] <MrHatter> I guess i could also change autofs so it stays mounted instead of umounting all the time ?
• 156[00:49:52] <TomTomTosch> ,v maven
• 157[00:49:53] <judd> Package: maven on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.0.4-3+deb7u1; jessie: 3.0.5-3; jessie-backports: 3.3.9-3~bpo8+1; stretch: 3.3.9-4; sid: 3.3.9-4
• 158[00:50:15] <TomTomTosch> Vainglory: backports has 3.3.9 does that work for you?
• 159[00:50:25] <jak2013> hi all how to restart network services?
• 160[00:50:34] <Vainglory> TomTomTosch: yes it does. thank you :-)
• 161[00:50:48] <simonlnu> dumpe2fs IIRC (not at a normal machine right now, just windows)
• 162[00:50:54] <Vainglory> TomTomTosch: just reformatted and forgot how i fixed it before :-)
• 163[00:50:55] <simonlnu> MrHatter: ^^^
• 164[00:51:00] <Vainglory> so figured i'd ask here
• 165[00:51:29] <TomTomTosch> Vainglory: here is the right place to ask. glad i could help x)
• 166[00:51:44] <Vainglory> TomTomTosch: you are a scholar and a gentleman.
• 167[00:51:47] <MrHatter> simonlnu, what do the 3 hats mean ?
• 168[00:51:52] <simonlnu> (been a while since i've had to configure mount count)
• 169[00:51:59] <simonlnu> read above :)
• 170[00:52:12] <simonlnu> i.e., they're arrows
• 171[00:52:13] <MrHatter> aha, thanks :)
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• 173[00:52:34] <jmcnaught> jak2013: use ifdown and ifup on the interface(s)
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• 175[00:53:03] <MrHatter> jak2013 - also, debian 7, /etc/init.d/networking restart
• 176[00:53:46] <jmcnaught> MrHatter: jak2013: "/etc/init.d/networking restart" has been deprecated since before wheezy and doesn't always work as expected
• 177[00:53:52] <jmcnaught> it even says so when you run it
• 178[00:53:57] <simonlnu> yep
• 179[00:54:18] <jak2013> i am on a net install debian
• 180[00:54:19] <|_[O_O]_|> pffft, you kids - with your fancy init scripts and dhcp - back in my day we used to start our daemons individually and assign our addresses by hand
• 181[00:54:33] <jak2013> want confiure a proxy for download packages
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• 184[00:54:49] <jak2013> but cant.. connect to any i try so so 20 different sites
• 185[00:54:51] <simonlnu> |_[O_O]_|: how old are you, 22?
• 186[00:55:04] <jak2013> then i modified manually /etc/network/interfaces
• 187[00:55:14] <|_[O_O]_|> how did you know that :|
• 188[00:55:20] <jak2013> and cant restart the network services
• 189[00:55:22] <jmcnaught> jak2013: do you mean you are currently in the installer? the installer does have a question letting you set a proxy for APT
• 190[00:55:22] <|_[O_O]_|> XP
• 191[00:55:25] <jak2013> ifdown eth0
• 192[00:55:33] <jak2013> ifup eth0 command not found :(
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• 194[00:55:35] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell jak2013 about enter
• 195[00:55:50] <|_[O_O]_|> init=/bin/\|_\[O_O\]_\|
• 196[00:56:06] <jak2013> jmcnaught, understand sorry, escuse me
• 197[00:56:24] <jmcnaught> jak2013: it makes you difficult to follow especially when others are talking
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• 199[00:58:29] <jak2013> my net install, cant continue because, the installation want ocnnect to internet, but never, ask me a manual configuration(ip,gw,dns).... i configured: manually /etc/network/interfaces (pressing Alt+F2) and want restart network service, ifup eth0 (command not found)
• 200[00:58:54] <jak2013> other way for restart network service? different to ifup/ifdown and/or "/etc/init.d/networking restart"
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• 203[00:59:58] <jmcnaught> jak2013: you are currently in the installer?
• 204[01:00:24] <jak2013> yes
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• 206[01:00:39] <jak2013> i am cicled... on the proxy :)
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• 208[01:02:04] <jmcnaught> jak2013: networking did not work at first? what kind of proxy are you trying to use?
• 209[01:02:15] <jak2013> i am not use proxy
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• 211[01:03:10] <jmcnaught> jak2013: why are you trying to manually restart the network interface in the installer?
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• 214[01:04:26] <jak2013> ok, i explain a little more, i am follow the installation..... the installer autoconfig the network card, then try to download packages.... but cant, .... then the installer try config a proy, and i am here....
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• 220[01:06:18] <jmcnaught> jak2013: how is your network supposed to be configured, by DHCP but it fails? is it ethernet or wifi, and does your adapter require a non-free firmware? Is there an error you can show us from tty4?
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• 222[01:06:51] <jak2013> *proxy, i try: press ALT+F2 and modified the file /etc/network/interfaces
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• 227[01:08:44] <jak2013> jmcnaught i need dissconect.... return in 1 hour
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• 229[01:09:07] <jmcnaught> jak2013: please take note of my questions so you can answer them when you return :)
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• 231[01:09:17] <CatalinC> hi, can someone tell me a tool that allows me to see "power supply / ram slot / fans" faliures from linux on an IBM server? Like hp ASM on HP servers?
• 232[01:09:19] <markybob> jak2013: hablas espanol?
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• 284[01:32:49] <redcheckers> I recently tried to add some non debian repositories to apt sources .lst , and then ran a apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade as per a non debian guide, and it kind of broke my xorg and such, so i tried removing the sources, updating again, and dist-upgrade again, and i was wondering, is there something simple i can do to re-install the stuff that came for xorg when i did the livecd install?
• 285[01:33:15] <markybob> !dontbreakdebian
• 286[01:33:15] <dpkg> rumour has it, dont break debian is replaced-url
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• 288[01:33:21] <markybob> !frankendebian
• 289[01:33:22] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help.
• 290[01:33:41] <markybob> and no.
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• 292[01:34:12] <redcheckers> dpkg: thats why i removed the other stuff before i asked for help. but if that's how you feel i guess i should just get a friendlier distro
• 293[01:34:13] <dpkg> redcheckers: You are person #2 to send an unparseable request
• 294[01:34:22] <redcheckers> markybob: ah. thats you*
• 295[01:34:23] <markybob> redcheckers: that's a bot i called for you
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• 299[01:34:58] <markybob> you can do that. it's not how i feel. i didn't make the factoids. but they are facts
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• 302[01:35:19] <redcheckers> markybob: and yet, if you'd read my whole question. you'd see they're facts that aren't applicable
• 303[01:35:29] <jmcnaught> redcheckers: with some work you can remove all the foreign packages, but it might be easier to simply reinstall. What problem were you trying to solve when you added the foreign repos?
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• 306[01:35:54] <redcheckers> jmcnaught: was looking for some newer games
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• 310[01:36:28] <jmcnaught> redcheckers: sounds like you got more than you bargained for and ended up replacing some Xorg packages
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• 312[01:36:50] <redcheckers> jmcnaught: yes, and then when i removed the foreign stuff, the xorg stuff went too.
• 313[01:37:17] <redcheckers> jmcnaught: so i dont have any kind of display manager when i turn it on, and no metacity, gnome, etc.
• 314[01:37:29] <markybob> redcheckers: you can try to run sudo tasksel but there's no telling what's been done.
• 315[01:37:36] <jmcnaught> redcheckers: "aptitude search '?narrow(?installed, ?not(?origin(debian)))'" this command will search for installed packages not from debian
• 316[01:37:46] <awwal> How to find out if X pkg is gtk2 only based or gtk3 or supports both?
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• 321[01:39:02] <zykotick9> awwal: perhaps, you could check "apt-cache rdepends FOO" i'd guess there might be a better method...
• 322[01:40:47] <awwal> zykotick9, yeah, checking dependencies is a way yeah, and it's what I do, or check description, but I was wondering if something different can do the job
• 323[01:42:09] <awwal> if I use a different gtk+ theme other then adwaita lightdm and lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings, for example, looks so horrible
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• 325[01:43:33] <markybob> awwal: are you talking about the 3.2.0 transition?
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• 329[01:45:54] <awwal> markybob, no
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• 403[02:26:43] <kudaterbang> Hi, I have P4 3Ghz with 258MB ram. Which is better for me, 64bit or 32bit? Wheezy without gui.
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• 410[02:30:58] <kripx> kudaterbang, kudaku gagah berani..
• 411[02:31:21] <kripx> use 32bit (x86)
• 412[02:31:22] <kudaterbang> kudaku lari lintang pukang..
• 413[02:34:01] <kudaterbang> ok, thanks kripx
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• 415[02:35:21] <ziz15> can debian armhf image installed on a tablet??
• 416[02:35:22] <kripx> welcome kudaterbang
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• 418[02:36:10] <kripx> yep..arm image can be installedh on tablet (that use arm processor)
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• 420[02:36:59] <ziz15> kripx: i mean like when someone install debian on a pc
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• 423[02:40:23] <markybob> ziz15: go to #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net and they'll know better. but you'll neeed to be more specific
• 424[02:40:57] <ziz15> markybob: ok thanks
• 425[02:41:33] <jmcnaught> ziz15: there is also an armhf version of the install manual: replaced-url
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• 428[02:42:07] <ziz15> jmcnaught: :)
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• 461[03:05:03] <awwal> possible to limite mlocate/locate search to main system?
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• 463[03:05:14] <awwal> don't see that in man
• 464[03:06:33] <jmcnaught> awwal: the man page for updatedb.conf is where this is documented
• 465[03:07:05] <awwal> jmcnaught, ok, will check that
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• 488[03:25:16] <fuller35> hi
• 489[03:25:58] <fuller35> i need help, i ran e2fsck under a mounted system partition accidentally and now my system boots into initramfs
• 490[03:26:26] <fuller35> i booted up a live usb and ran e2fsck again and it fixed errors but it still boot into initramfs
• 491[03:26:45] <fuller35> did i corrupted the disk? i mean screwed it completely?
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• 494[03:27:33] <x032cx> what did you run e2fsck on the / ?
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• 501[03:30:40] <fuller35> yes
• 502[03:30:44] <fuller35> x032cx:
• 503[03:31:00] <x032cx> how many drive do you have
• 504[03:31:17] <fuller35> 2 software raids
• 505[03:31:22] <fuller35> one for OS one for data
• 506[03:31:33] <markybob> fuller35: why? something happened first. why'd you run it on a mounted raid?
• 507[03:31:56] <x032cx> what is your partitions like pastebinit
• 508[03:32:11] <fuller35> i have /dev/md1 and /dev/md2 and unmounted the data for doing a e2fsck and made it on the system
• 509[03:32:57] <fuller35> markybob: the data disk i though i could just checked on the booted OS and the system on the usb thumb
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• 511[03:33:29] <fuller35> markybob: e2fsck does not run on software raids?
• 512[03:33:41] <markybob> fuller35: so there was no error during boot? you just thought it was a good idea?
• 513[03:33:50] <markybob> fuller35: not mounted
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• 516[03:34:27] <fuller35> there was an error, it went to initramfs, initially i run fsck on initrams and the system booted
• 517[03:34:29] <markybob> fuller35: with live can you mount one of the drives?
• 518[03:34:30] <fuller35> read only
• 519[03:35:00] <fuller35> so i did the data partition (intended to data ) and forced the e2fsck but i did it on system
• 520[03:35:13] <markybob> fuller35: do you have a backup? if not since you can mount one of the drives rsync now to something else
• 521[03:35:20] <fuller35> it output a lot of numbers... for almost an hour
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• 524[03:35:58] <fuller35> i'm almost installing this system again
• 525[03:36:12] <fuller35> i just wanted to know if there is an easy solution
• 526[03:36:36] <markybob> that's what i'm getting at. i'm just wondering if there's important things we need to worry about that you didn't backup
• 527[03:37:02] <x032cx> the easy solution dedpends on your setup and recovery mesures in place
• 528[03:37:06] <markybob> plus i'm wondering what the errors were. i/o?
• 529[03:37:09] <fuller35> i can mount both drives in usb live
• 530[03:37:23] <fuller35> i can see files
• 531[03:37:30] <fuller35> and they seem ok
• 532[03:37:43] <fuller35> i can just backup everything and install again
• 533[03:38:01] <fuller35> i'm geting this wierd file ownerships to 1001 1001
• 534[03:38:04] <fuller35> crazy
• 535[03:38:04] <markybob> yes. that's the easiest way since this doesn't seem to be production/that important
• 536[03:38:32] <NoCode> damn, I just did a clean install in hopes for a cleaner slate, tried to install letsencrypt and I got "unable to set up enhancement redirect" and the certificates don't match. :|
• 537[03:38:40] <NoCode> Now I dunno what to do
• 538[03:38:50] <markybob> fuller35: i still want to know what errors you got. smart? i/o? what?
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• 540[03:39:28] <markybob> NoCode: you used jessie-backports for letsencrypt?
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• 542[03:39:36] <markybob> NoCode: are you using jessie?
• 543[03:39:36] <fuller35> markybob: i got this error, like microcode error stuff, addresses like 0x84nfldhr4i5r that kind of stuff
• 544[03:39:48] <fuller35> it cannot access any drive and throw me to an initramfs
• 545[03:40:00] <NoCode> Using Jessie. Not using backports.
• 546[03:40:14] <markybob> fuller35: oh that basically means you just need to install amd64-microcode or intel-microcode
• 547[03:40:24] <markybob> fuller35: not fuck with your drives :P
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• 549[03:40:39] <x032cx> fuller35:can you restart the system and take note of the errors
• 550[03:40:41] <markybob> NoCode: yeah. this is why we support debian packages :P
• 551[03:40:43] <fuller35> but it was installed
• 552[03:40:50] <NoCode> true enough
• 553[03:41:08] <fuller35> markybob: i can upload a screenshot
• 554[03:41:19] <NoCode> I think I just buggered my install up. Not sure how to fix it, so I might have to reinstall again. :(
• 555[03:41:30] <fuller35> otherwise i would have to reinstall it over a chroot
• 556[03:41:38] <fuller35> because now i cannot boot up the system
• 557[03:41:40] <markybob> fuller35: i mean i'll look at it but it doesn't seem like you care that much or it's important...so ...
• 558[03:41:46] <fuller35> i'll take the screenshot
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• 561[03:42:18] <fuller35> reinstalling all is really a pain
• 562[03:42:32] <x032cx> fuller35:you can keep your data and reinstall the weak system
• 563[03:43:00] <markybob> not if he fucked up the fs like he's making it seem
• 564[03:43:48] <x032cx> well yeah, but fsck can fix most errors if you pay close look
• 565[03:44:11] <markybob> you also don't force it on mounted partitoiins
• 566[03:44:18] <markybob> spelled correctly
• 567[03:44:38] <x032cx> yeah that sucks just reinstall
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• 569[03:45:43] <x032cx> lesson numero uno dont fsck mounted partions... will fck even try
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• 573[03:47:03] <x032cx> bla bla, there he goes off poof
• 574[03:47:32] <fuller35> Target system doesn't have requested /sbin/init
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• 577[03:48:00] <fuller35> and drops to an initramfs
• 578[03:48:17] <fuller35> but it says /dev/md1 is clean
• 579[03:49:01] <x032cx> fuller35:that is because your filesystem is corupted, so reinstall
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• 590[03:55:55] <awwal> Any nice suggestion on how to combine mlocate and find (make 'find' show me the location of those files/directories existing in my main system and found by 'mlocate') ?
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• 596[03:57:33] <x032cx> awwal:m/slocate operates on there own database, how do you plan to combine those
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• 598[03:57:50] <markybob> awwal: no that doesn't happen. what's the end plan here?
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• 607[03:59:55] * x032cx kicks back and pulls a cohiba
• 608[04:00:22] <awwal> my plan is avoid time running ls/mlocate and check all the time if X file/dir exists really in my machine killing time comparing config files of some pkgs in different machines jessie and stretch
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• 611[04:00:36] <awwal> markybob, x032cx ^
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• 613[04:02:01] <markybob> awwal: oh okay. that's why we ask :) you can catch mlocate's exit statis. if the status is 1 no match was found
• 614[04:02:21] <markybob> so exit status 1 run find
• 615[04:03:29] <markybob> i think that's what you want/mean anyway
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• 634[04:18:08] <Datz> Hi, I have a machine running ext3, and I was thinking about switching to ext4. I found this page with instruction. Is this valid, or is there something else better to follow? replaced-url
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• 638[04:20:45] <Datz> ok, I found this too, looks better: replaced-url
• 639[04:20:57] <markybob> Datz: which release?
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• 641[04:21:12] <Datz> I'm on 7.10 right now
• 642[04:21:13] <jmcnaught> Datz: that first note is pretty old. Anyways, do you have a backup?
• 643[04:21:45] <Datz> Yeah, I should have everything I need backed up. I'm wondering if I have much to gain actually.
• 644[04:22:32] <Datz> Reading on, I may not risk it yet..
• 645[04:23:36] <jmcnaught> Datz: replaced-url
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• 648[04:25:13] <Datz> jmcnaught: Ah, I see thanks. Maybe I'll just wait for the next release, and do a fresh install..
• 649[04:25:43] <jmcnaught> Datz: the next release happened over a year ago :) Debian 8 (Jessie) came out in April 2015
• 650[04:25:46] <markybob> Datz why? you're already using oldstable. why not fresh install stable now?
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• 652[04:26:04] <Datz> heh heh
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• 655[04:26:52] <Datz> Yeah, maybe I'll have to do that.
• 656[04:27:09] <markybob> Datz: fyi next stable comes out spring 2017
• 657[04:27:23] <Datz> that does seem like a long way off
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• 661[04:28:44] * Datz adds it to the list
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• 663[04:29:06] <jmcnaught> it's not that long a stretch before it gets released...
• 664[04:29:37] <markybob> not by debian's standards anyway :P pretty normal
• 665[04:29:48] <Datz> xD
• 666[04:30:25] <NoCode> Damn, I think I saved my install.
• 667[04:30:29] <NoCode> :D
• 668[04:31:02] <NoCode> sudo updatedb && locate letsencrypt
• 669[04:31:08] <NoCode> rm allthethings
• 670[04:31:17] <NoCode> with a -rf of course.
• 671[04:32:09] <NoCode> Now I have to wait 7 days before I re-attempt to install letsencrypt again because they don't allow new certificates right away.
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• 678[04:34:04] <Datz> :(
• 679[04:34:24] <Datz> Humm, will ext4 still be default with next release is the question..
• 680[04:34:27] <jmcnaught> NoCode: I'm pretty sure there's a letsencrypt testing/staging server you can use to test that your setup works correctly before requesting real certificates from their production service (which does have limits)
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• 683[04:35:19] <jmcnaught> Datz: it's the default in Jessie, and probably will be in Stretch too. I doubt that ZFS will be available in the installer since the packages are in contrib (not main).
• 684[04:35:25] <awwal> I was forced to run reisub bcoz of 'fbi'; it made my machine unresponsive and black screen :(
• 685[04:35:43] <jmcnaught> Datz: the current stable installer already supports LVM and btrfs though
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• 687[04:36:55] <awwal> markybob, ok. I understood what you told me before. i think my problem here is that I understand how find and mlocate works exactly. trying to learn...
• 688[04:37:08] <awwal> I no understand ^
• 689[04:37:32] <NoCode> Well, at least reinstallations are getting a lot faster. :D
• 690[04:38:06] <Datz> jmcnaught: ah, thanks. Good to know.
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• 700[04:43:39] <awwal> awwal have a headache bcoz of 'man find'
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• 703[04:46:12] <markybob> awwal: do you know how to make a bash script to catch exit status? that's step one
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• 705[04:46:38] <markybob> awwal: if you do tell me about what you don't get about find that you want
• 706[04:48:33] <awwal> markybob, I 'm a novice so no clue about similar scripts. find dont list some files in etc
• 707[04:48:45] <awwal> almost the one I have generated myself
• 708[04:48:53] <awwal> the ones ^
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• 710[04:49:56] <markybob> awwal: true. some /etc files require root to se them. like /etc/ssl/private and various others
• 711[04:50:06] <markybob> see*
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• 715[04:52:12] <awwal> markybob, oh, ok. I dont knew that. so thats why find dont list them. hmmm i understand now :P
• 716[04:52:51] <markybob> awwal: without seeing the exact command/output that's my best guess. it's what makes sense in a standard install :)
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• 719[04:55:21] <awwal> markybob, no understood you (basic english here, sorry)
• 720[04:55:46] <markybob> awwal: english is my second language as well. no need to be sorry
• 721[04:56:03] <awwal> markybob, hahaha. so fine :P
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• 727[05:01:41] <x032cx> am looking for a web developer so msg if interested, small project
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• 729[05:05:11] <awwal> markybob, I'm just commenting. I also wanna understand well how mlocate and find work because some files still present in /etc and /usr/share for example even after a purge. I have purged kde/kdm but I still have 'kdm.d file in /etc/default (found it casually) and find dont list it
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• 732[05:06:09] <awwal> I thought that mlocate and find can be a plus for clean the system alongside apt/aptitude ...
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• 765[05:32:53] <jak2000> anyone try help me?
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• 768[05:33:04] <jak2000> installing debian jessie
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• 773[05:34:55] <llekn> Hi there! I'm looking for a quick fix and did a fast research without finding answers...
• 774[05:35:51] <llekn> Right here from this part of the world (Chile) I can't connect to security.debian.com (resolving to 200.17.202.197)
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• 776[05:36:16] <llekn> Can I do something to fetch the security repo from another address?
• 777[05:36:34] <awwal> dpkg: tell jak2000 about ask
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• 779[05:36:52] <jak2000> dpkg: tell awwal help the people
• 780[05:37:07] <jak2000> dpkg: tell awwal about help the people
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• 782[05:37:30] <awwal> llekn .com?
• 783[05:38:28] <llekn> sorry, my mistake, can't connect to security.debian.org
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• 790[05:41:27] <awwal> llekn, running jessie?
• 791[05:41:40] <llekn> yes
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• 793[05:42:27] <llekn> First I couldn't fetch the repo because it resolved to an IPv6 address, wich I don't have
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• 795[05:43:12] <jak2000> llakey why not disable ipv6?
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• 798[05:43:36] <llekn> Exactly, I added net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6 = 1 to /etc/systctl.conf , run sudo sysctl -p and security.debian.org resolved to 200.17.202.197
• 799[05:43:51] <llekn> But I can't download a thing from there
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• 803[05:50:08] <llekn> D'oh! That was easy... I just added a geographically distant DNS server (used Level3 DNS) and now security.debian.org resolver to a lot of IPs that actually works
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• 806[05:51:00] <jak2000> awwal cant install debian because, i am cicled when ask about a proxy server for connect to internet (i use net install cdrom)
• 807[05:51:20] <jak2000> pressed Alt+F2 and here configured the network/interfaces and resolv.conf
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• 809[05:51:26] <jak2000> how to restart the network services?
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• 816[05:53:08] <markybob> jak2000: jmcnaught tried to help you earlier but you wouldn't answer questions... i asked if you spoke spanish because i think there's a language barrier
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• 818[05:53:20] <jak2000> markybob yes
• 819[05:53:26] <markybob> !es
• 820[05:53:26] <dpkg> Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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• 824[05:53:35] <markybob> jak2000: i think they can better help you
• 825[05:54:56] <jak2000> :(
• 826[05:54:59] <jak2000> sleep
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• 1142[07:23:09] <ImageJPEG> i've got an issue with trying to connect to a samba share. the share is running on a windows xp machine and i haven't had issues with it in the past
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• 1144[07:23:20] <ImageJPEG> i'm currently using debian sid with gnome 3.20.2
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• 1146[07:23:50] <ImageJPEG> the share works perfectly fine with pc dos 6.3 on a 486, freebsd (using mate de) and linux mint with no issues
• 1147[07:23:53] <ImageJPEG> any suggestions?
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• 1150[07:24:37] <ImageJPEG> i don't have a password set on the share yet when i try to browse it in nautilus, i get a login prompt. i can connect to it just fine via cli on smbclient
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• 1159[07:31:32] <computerman> h
• 1160[07:31:40] <computerman> peoplei cannot chat here
• 1161[07:31:43] <computerman> why?
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• 1163[07:32:02] <computerman> people i need help, how do i make sudo apt-get update in debian?
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• 1165[07:32:10] <awwal> ImageJPEG, sid users have their own channel ----> #debian-next ----> oftc server
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• 1167[07:32:39] <awwal> here is stable specific
• 1168[07:33:05] <somiaj> computerman: your question is vague or not understood. running "sudo apt-get update" is what you do in debian to update the apt database.
• 1169[07:33:23] <computerman> somiaj: i understand, but i get an error message
• 1170[07:33:39] <somiaj> awwal: some answer testing channels here, partly due to some questions can be answered and don't need to send someone to another network.
• 1171[07:33:46] <computerman> bash: sudo: command not found
• 1172[07:33:55] <somiaj> computerman: can you paste the full output of the command and the error at paste.debian.net
• 1173[07:34:15] <somiaj> computerman: oh that means you haven't installed 'sudo', you will need to become root, install sudo, then add your main user to the 'sudo' group.
• 1174[07:34:16] <computerman> somiaj: i just did, it is just 1 line error message
• 1175[07:34:39] <somiaj> computerman: once root run 'apt-get install sudo' then run 'adduser username sudo' (for your main user)
• 1176[07:34:49] <somiaj> computerman: after that your main user will have full sudo privlages
• 1177[07:34:52] <computerman> somiaj: hmmm ok, can you tell me how? this is the first time i use debian, i just crossed over from ubuntu
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• 1179[07:35:17] <somiaj> computerman: one way to become root is to type 'su -' then enter roots password
• 1180[07:35:30] <somiaj> computerman: you will have to know the password you picked for root when you installed the system.
• 1181[07:35:42] <computerman> ok
• 1182[07:36:21] <somiaj> computerman: many of the concepts between debian and ubuntu are the same, but debian provides a lot more choice and options, seems like during the install you didn't pick an option which installed sudo by default.
• 1183[07:36:40] <somiaj> (I think it might have to do if you disable the root account or not)
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• 1185[07:36:53] <computerman> just became root
• 1186[07:36:54] <asterismo> hi
• 1187[07:37:08] <asterismo> i messed up with debian system
• 1188[07:37:08] <somiaj> computerman: can you page up and run the two commands I already said, or need me to type them again?
• 1189[07:37:27] <somiaj> asterismo: well maybe it is fixable.
• 1190[07:37:34] <asterismo> it got corrupted and i have no /etc and no /var folders and a lot of #1284876 folders or files in lost+found
• 1191[07:37:39] <asterismo> is anyway to recover them?
• 1192[07:37:44] <computerman> somiaj: no its ok i am writing them down
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• 1194[07:37:58] <computerman> so i did su - and put the password, now i am root
• 1195[07:37:58] <asterismo> somiaj, i hope, i have private keys and other data in there
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• 1203[07:38:44] <somiaj> asterismo: what caused the corruption? I'm not that familar on what to do with data recovery, I just try to keep backups.
• 1204[07:38:44] <asterismo> any ideas?
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• 1206[07:39:05] <computerman> somiaj: so how do i install sudo now?
• 1207[07:39:12] <asterismo> somiaj, i ran a e2fsck on a mounted disk and everything went to hell
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• 1210[07:39:48] <somiaj> computerman: 'apt-get install sudo'
• 1211[07:39:53] <computerman> ok
• 1212[07:40:08] <somiaj> asterismo: ahh, I thought it gave a warning when doing that.
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• 1215[07:40:44] <asterismo> but added the force flag and did it on the wrong disk
• 1216[07:40:49] <somiaj> asterismo: I found this post, seems to have a detailed answer. replaced-url
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• 1221[07:42:42] <computerman> somiaj: it is promting me to insert the debian installation DVD, but i have a USB, it is not contineuing.
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• 1224[07:43:55] <somiaj> computerman: did you modify your sources.list to use internet sources yet? If so then run apt-get update like you were trying to do.
• 1225[07:44:05] <somiaj> computerman: if you haven't set up your sources.list for internet sources I can help you with that.
• 1226[07:44:47] <somiaj> (I'm unsure why it isn't detecting the usb drive to install the files from, but I think instead of debugging that just better to set up internet sources)
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• 1228[07:44:48] <computerman> somiaj: i have not modified anything, i just installed debian 5 minutes ago, i am trying to update sudo so i can install my macbook's wifi firware
• 1229[07:45:10] <somiaj> computerman: is the machine on the internet (wired?)
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• 1231[07:45:21] <computerman> somiaj: yes, ethernet
• 1232[07:45:30] <somiaj> !jessie sources.list
• 1233[07:45:30] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
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• 1235[07:45:55] <somiaj> capri: can you follow what the bot told you to put in for your sources.list (the tree lines)
• 1236[07:45:59] <somiaj> computerman: three lines
• 1237[07:46:01] <somiaj> capri: (sorry)
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• 1240[07:46:32] <somiaj> computerman: You most likely want to include use 'main contrib non-free' instead of just 'main' to get the non-free firmware you mentioned.
• 1241[07:46:51] <computerman> somiaj: hmmm,
• 1242[07:47:15] <computerman> somiaj: maybe i should reinstall debian, what should i change to get sudo and the non-free firmware?
• 1243[07:47:48] <somiaj> computerman: not needed, lets just get your system working.
• 1244[07:47:59] <somiaj> computerman: can you put a copy of your sources.list file at paste.debian.net?
• 1245[07:48:16] <somiaj> computerman: use this as a learning experience, and it will be easier to get it working than to reinstall.
• 1246[07:48:25] <computerman> somiaj: thanks
• 1247[07:48:39] <computerman> somiaj: where do i find my sources.list file?
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• 1259[07:52:30] <computerman> somiaj: ok i think i found it: paste.debian.net/686983
• 1260[07:53:14] <somiaj> computerman: that file is almost correct. So edit that file (nano /etc/apt/sources.list will give you a console editor)
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• 1263[07:53:27] <computerman> ok i did nano
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• 1265[07:53:31] <somiaj> computerman: what you need to do is comment out line number 5 (that means put a # at the front of it)
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• 1269[07:54:22] <computerman> somiaj: commented out
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• 1271[07:54:33] <somiaj> computerman: you will want to uncommit lines 8, and 17, and make a copy of line 17, but have it say just 'jessie' not 'jessie-updates'
• 1272[07:54:57] <computerman> ok 1 minute
• 1273[07:54:59] <somiaj> computerman: you will also most likely want to use 'httpredir.debian.org' as the mirror and not ftp.debian.org which is being used now.
• 1274[07:55:03] <somiaj> computerman: take your time.
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• 1280[07:56:23] <computerman> somiaj: so i make a new copy of line 17 and remove the update after jessie?
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• 1282[07:56:30] <somiaj> computerman: yes
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• 1284[07:57:30] <computerman> change the mirror also for the "new" line 17?
• 1285[07:57:43] <somiaj> computerman: corect
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• 1292[07:59:05] <somiaj> computerman: when you are done provide a new paste and I will look it over.
• 1293[07:59:07] <computerman> somiaj: is this how it should be? " deb replaced-url
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• 1295[07:59:20] <computerman> somiaj: ok 1 minute
• 1296[07:59:37] <somiaj> computerman: no, you will want replaced-url
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• 1299[08:00:55] <computerman> somiaj: paste.debian.net/686987
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• 1301[08:01:43] <somiaj> computerman: the domain name on line 17 should match the new one on line 18
• 1302[08:01:49] <somiaj> computerman: also you don't need the space at the start of th eline
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• 1307[08:03:51] <computerman> somiaj: i don't understand i pasted what you sent: replaced-url
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• 1309[08:04:37] <computerman> somiaj: so change it back to replaced-url
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• 1313[08:06:02] <somiaj> computerman: no change the ftp.debian.org one to match the httpredir.debian.org one
• 1314[08:06:10] <computerman> oh ok
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• 1316[08:06:51] <computerman> somiaj: paste.debian.net/686990
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• 1321[08:08:34] <somiaj> computerman: one last thing, do you know the name of the package that contains the firmware you need?
• 1322[08:08:44] <computerman> yes
• 1323[08:08:48] <somiaj> computerman: what is it?
• 1324[08:08:56] <computerman> somiaj: firmware-b43-installer
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• 1327[08:09:19] <somiaj> computerman: thank you. I thought that was it, I was just double checking it was in contrib. That looks good.
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• 1329[08:09:36] <somiaj> computerman: exit and save, then run 'apt-get update' as root
• 1330[08:10:55] <computerman> somiaj: excellent, how so i save in nano crt-X to exit, Y to save, then what? append?
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• 1332[08:11:25] <somiaj> computerman: I think you just hit ctrl-X, then hit enter
• 1333[08:11:32] <computerman> somiaj: Error writing sources.list: Permission denied
• 1334[08:11:56] <somiaj> you had to run that command as root. You'll have to redo what you just did, or save that file as something else then copy it over as root
• 1335[08:12:20] <computerman> somiaj: no problem, i saved a copy of the file, 1 minute i will redo in root
• 1336[08:13:47] <computerman> somiaj: ok done, save :-)
• 1337[08:13:54] <somiaj> computerman: now run apt-get update as root
• 1338[08:14:02] <computerman> no need for sudo?
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• 1340[08:14:41] <somiaj> computerman: sudo is a command that runs things as root. If you become root you don't need sudo
• 1341[08:14:55] <computerman> oohhhhh ok
• 1342[08:14:58] <computerman> somiaj: updated
• 1343[08:15:03] <computerman> now install my firware?
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• 1345[08:15:48] <somiaj> computerman: now run 'apt-get install sudo firmware-b43-installer'
• 1346[08:15:56] <somiaj> computerman: install that and sudo at the same time
• 1347[08:16:19] <computerman> somiaj: ok
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• 1351[08:17:34] <computerman> somiaj: excellent, i think i am done, i will have to restart to use my WIFI
• 1352[08:17:42] <somiaj> computerman: not yet
• 1353[08:17:53] <somiaj> computerman: as root run 'adduser username sudo' where username is the name of your main user.
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• 1356[08:19:14] <computerman> somiaj: ok
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• 1358[08:19:24] <computerman> somiaj: but before i go, you mentioned i can insall sudo from the live USB while installing debian? how?
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• 1360[08:20:31] <somiaj> computerman: sudo is an optional package so it may not be installed by default. Sometimes it is pulled in with the desktop, but I think on the debian installer it is only installed if you choose to disable the root password (it is then installed so your main user can become root)
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• 1362[08:20:57] <somiaj> computerman: but if you pick a password for root, it may not be installed by default because it doesn't assume you want to give any users sudo privlages.
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• 1364[08:21:24] <somiaj> computerman: now it was included on the usb you used, so the apt-get install sudo should have worked from the usb, but I'm unsrue ont he details to debug the issue when it wasn't like you ran into.
• 1365[08:22:00] <computerman> somiaj: how do i do that? during installtion i was prompted for a root username/password and a non-root username/password
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• 1368[08:22:43] <somiaj> computerman: I forget (in debian you rarely need to install). I thought there was an option/question to disable the root password, then it will only prompt you for a non-root username/password.
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• 1372[08:23:09] <somiaj> computerman: though in general you shodulnt' have to install debian that much, and it is worth getting use to using apt, so if ever it is not installed, it is easy enough to install.
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• 1374[08:23:31] <computerman> somiaj: hmmm i will look into it, maybe in a youtube video the button will show
• 1375[08:23:47] <computerman> somiaj: you are right, i saved all the commands incase i need to re-install debian ;-)
• 1376[08:24:11] <somiaj> computerman: if you follow some basic guidelines, you shodn't need to reinstall debian.
• 1377[08:24:23] <computerman> somiaj: agreed
• 1378[08:24:29] <computerman> thanks for your help :-)
• 1379[08:24:55] <somiaj> computerman: on my main desktop I last installed debian when I switched from i386 to amd64 back in 2008ish, I've upgraded two mobos since then, still no reinstall. (:
• 1380[08:26:41] <computerman> somiaj: that is why i chose debian, love the stability and security, just have to get used to the GUI and slightly different command lines :-)
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• 1387[08:29:34] <somiaj> computerman: but a reboot should get your firmware working and you should be able to continue configuring debian to your liking
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• 1433[09:00:13] <darxmurf> hi all
• 1434[09:01:29] <darxmurf> I'm supposed to be able to add samba-ldap users in local groups isn't it ?
• 1435[09:01:53] <darxmurf> on my machine I have a samba share and different ldap-users accessing it.
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• 1437[09:02:46] <darxmurf> I created a local group "ldap-users", changed the folder groupe with it and usermod -a -G "ldap-users" my-ldap-user1
• 1438[09:02:56] <darxmurf> my-ldap-user1 is supposed to access this folder no ?
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• 1547[09:48:39] <han-solo> is there an sqlmap for jessie?
• 1548[09:48:50] <han-solo> i can't seem to find it, check apt-cache
• 1549[09:48:50] <bumbar_> anyone know of a tool that can dump qr codes to stdout
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• 1574[10:03:36] <shiin> I'm trying to get more verbosity out of an unattended install. Is there a shortcut to toggle syslog or would I have to login on another tty and then tail it?
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• 1623[10:25:14] <zZap-X> when using i3 tiling manager my screen keeps on going blank after 1 minute, how can one stop that happening?
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• 1627[10:26:13] <x-fak> hi
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• 1629[10:26:39] <x-fak> when i try to install a package i got this error: "E: Not enought space into /var/cache/apt/archives/"
• 1630[10:26:55] <darxmurf> apt-get clean
• 1631[10:27:04] <darxmurf> then retry
• 1632[10:27:08] <darxmurf> your disk is probably full no ?
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• 1634[10:27:37] <x-fak> darxmurf , i dont know: replaced-url
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• 1637[10:28:44] <darxmurf> /dev/mmcblk1p2 15G 15G 0 100% /
• 1638[10:28:47] <darxmurf> just read...
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• 1641[10:28:51] <darxmurf> 100% full
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• 1643[10:28:59] <x-fak> darxmurf yes i've seen that
• 1644[10:29:13] <x-fak> but how to find out which takes all the space?
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• 1646[10:29:22] <x-fak> i had a lot of space
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• 1652[10:30:19] <darxmurf> 15Gb
• 1653[10:30:26] <darxmurf> it's not a lot of space
• 1654[10:30:34] <x-fak> i had a lot of free space i mean
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• 1656[10:30:50] <x-fak> i did apt-get clean and it worked
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• 1658[10:31:00] <x-fak> i have to check why i'm full though
• 1659[10:31:19] <darxmurf> did you install a basic system or with graphical interface ?
• 1660[10:31:25] <darxmurf> 15Gb is small for a full system
• 1661[10:31:48] <MaBunny> i use a 16 gb pendrive too
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• 1663[10:32:08] <flog> Got a fresh install of debian 8.4 on my intel nuc. Got a head of my self and installed spotify. Not getting any sound I tried installing alsa-base but i get this: replaced-url
• 1664[10:32:14] <x-fak> darxmurf a very lightweigh graphic interface yeah
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• 1667[10:33:32] <flog> I guess my faulty locale isnt the culprit here.
• 1668[10:33:46] <darxmurf> x-fak: du -shx /* | sort -hr
• 1669[10:33:46] <MaBunny> x-fak hav you thought of using a 32/64 gb pendrive though...they are cheap too now
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• 1673[10:37:01] <MaBunny> you can try dpkg --get-selections > /home/foo/list.txt...then on the new system do sudo dpkg --set-selections < /home/foo/list.txt
• 1674[10:37:24] <MaBunny> tht way your system will be reinstalled on the new disk
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• 1677[10:38:21] <MaBunny> btw are there any hardware chans in freenode tht anyone knos???
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• 1685[10:41:37] <MaBunny> was tht offtopic???
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• 1692[10:43:01] <MaBunny> anyways its offtime
• 1693[10:43:13] <MaBunny> so cant be helped :D
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• 2100[11:09:54] <jeeger> Greetings! I'm using iptables-persistent, and I'm wondering how to reload firewall rules with systemd/systemctl
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• 2118[11:18:53] <zuzzas_> jeeger, systemctl restart netfilter-persistent
• 2119[11:19:02] <jelly> jeeger: that's a plugin for netfilter-persistent now, and the service name is netfilter-persistent.service
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• 2134[11:23:28] <darxmurf> hmm anybody with this samba+ldap+local-groups issue ?
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• 2156[11:35:09] <nuffigel> hi everyone, I'm having some issues with insserv warning me that "current start runlevel(s) (empty) of script `vbladed' overrides LSB defaults (2 3 4 5)." while /etc/init.d/vbladed does indeed contain a valid init info block. Is that normal?
• 2157[11:35:45] <nuffigel> (containing "# Default-Start: 2 3 4 5")
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• 2177[11:46:29] <hiya> !paste
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• 2180[11:47:37] <x-fak> darxmurf , replaced-url
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• 2220[12:09:49] <SagelessFox2> What did the command "msgfmt -vc" do?
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• 2223[12:11:13] <SagelessFox2> Hey anyone here?
• 2224[12:11:35] <SagelessFox2> What does the cmd "'msgfmt -vc" do?
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• 2233[12:15:20] <DriveByShitpost> LOL U MAD? XD
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• 2236[12:15:57] <SagelessFox2> Mad?
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• 2238[12:16:17] <SagelessFox2> How so
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• 2256[12:21:53] <tinyhippo> SagelessFox2: it performs all the checks implied by --check-format, --check-header, --check-domain with more verbose output
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• 2258[12:23:31] <SagelessFox2> Thank you tinyhippo
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• 2262[12:25:04] <tinyhippo> SagelessFox2: (I have no idea what msgfmt does, I just used man to look at the flags you'd described)
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• 2270[12:28:46] <SagelessFox2> tinyhippo: the real time access of mandb is a kind of happiness
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• 2272[12:28:58] <SagelessFox2> Sometimes, somehow
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• 2278[12:31:09] <jeeger> zuzzas_ jelly ah, thanks. netfilter vs. iptables tripped me up.
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• 2297[12:38:35] <alimj> Hello. According to this: replaced-url
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• 2301[12:40:11] <vegardx> Since sid is not a stable release there isn't any difference to updates and security-updates.
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• 2307[12:40:51] <alimj> Ok. Thanks. So I will comment the security in sources.list
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• 2310[12:42:13] <vegardx> Have you done a dist upgrade?
• 2311[12:42:35] <vegardx> It won't really matter, as the Release-file specifies origin or source, which will differ.
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• 2313[12:43:24] <vegardx> Let me rephrapse that, it shouldn't matter.
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• 2323[12:47:25] <BlenderPro> I got a confusion, I'm running a amd phenom ii system and I'm running virtual machine but debian 8.4 lspci command says I'm using intel stuff why?
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• 2334[12:53:54] <zuzzas_> BlenderPro, Intel manufactures a lot of stuff that could be connected through PCI. You should check /proc/cpuinfo for CPU information.
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• 2337[12:54:52] <BlenderPro> k pro
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• 2370[13:08:58] <BlenderPro> zuzzas_, it says I'm using only 1 core and 512kb cache on virtual machine
• 2371[13:09:10] <BlenderPro> when it has 4 cores and like 6mb or 8mb
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• 2375[13:09:48] <vegardx> You can't trust the information a hypervisor gives you, unless you specifically use host as cputype.
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• 2378[13:12:23] <BlenderPro> vegardx, is the hyperviros a text file then
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• 2380[13:12:30] <BlenderPro> I used nano
• 2381[13:12:40] <vegardx> eh
• 2382[13:12:41] <state> Hello.
• 2383[13:13:22] <BlenderPro> hypervisor
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• 2390[13:16:05] <Ingvix> is there anyway to get some kind of virtual keyboard on debian server with no desktop?
• 2391[13:16:44] <Ingvix> I don't have any extra keyboard I could use on my server if needed and there might be times I can't use ssh
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• 2438[13:36:30] <darxmurf> hmmm interesting, my samba is not taking care of the groups Oo
• 2439[13:36:53] <darxmurf> I can write in the folder if I'm the owner of it
• 2440[13:37:06] <darxmurf> but not if only the group is correct
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• 2483[13:56:13] <azy> on iceweasel i'm getting 'This browser does not support video playback.' for replaced-url
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• 2487[13:57:34] <FinalX> if I'm not mistaken you might need to install the x264 libraries
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• 2490[13:58:14] <azy> thanks ill look into that
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• 2532[14:12:29] <NoCode> Is there anyway to configure the SOA values on my DNS?
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• 2545[14:21:56] * fireba11 wonders how cron-apt in jessie ended up with a basically empty config file only pointing to the readme instead of a fully commented one explaining the examples
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• 2548[14:23:17] <Aorious> Can the Debian install be automated for a local installation (from a live USB)? E.g. Selection of the partition setup from a file.
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• 2550[14:23:30] <Aorious> *installation
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• 2554[14:24:16] <fireba11> Aorious: replaced-url
• 2555[14:24:18] <fireba11> like that?
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• 2557[14:25:27] <Aorious> fireball: Perfect, thanks!
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• 2640[15:04:33] <haux> Hi every one. What's the best debian based desktop distro?
• 2641[15:04:57] <haux> I don't like ubuntu and their new packaging system+unsolicited ads
• 2642[15:05:08] <haux> Thank you for sharing your experiences
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• 2645[15:05:39] <FinalX> haux: I'm using Ubuntu myself, but, I hear a lot of people say good things about Linux Mint
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• 2647[15:05:48] <FinalX> "Based on Debian and Ubuntu"
• 2648[15:06:00] <FinalX> replaced-url
• 2649[15:06:02] <haux> I have it :-) it's far more better than ubuntu
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• 2651[15:06:13] <haux> but wanna look for better
• 2652[15:06:15] <XeonSquared> Linux Mint is pretty solid, I put it on a majority of the boxen I sell
• 2653[15:06:28] <XeonSquared> I need to play with LMDE
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• 2655[15:06:44] <haux> What you use with mint as desktop? xfce, cinnamon, KDE ?
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• 2658[15:06:51] <haux> or the new Gnome ?
• 2659[15:07:03] <XeonSquared> The ones I sell/give away usually have MATE
• 2660[15:07:04] <haux> for a desktop 16G RAM+i7
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• 2662[15:07:19] <XeonSquared> but my preference out of those would be XFCE
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• 2665[15:07:44] <FinalX> Debian APT maintainer response++, finally some useful help :D
• 2666[15:07:44] <haux> I want to use as a workstation at home+work (and I'll install vmware for windows vm)
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• 2673[15:09:31] <XeonSquared> Use whatever suits you, man
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• 2676[15:10:41] <FinalX> plus better is relative.. what one defines as better might not be what you think. some people prefer to compile everything from scratch, some prefer a distro that comes with everything pre-done, some prefer something in between, etc. some prefer server-only distros, some prefer very fancy and beautiful desktop distro's
• 2677[15:11:16] <FinalX> and then there's those that love gnome, those that love unity (which seems to be very little..), etc.
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• 2682[15:14:16] <teraflops> Whatever floats your goat. Just don't recommend mint here
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• 2686[15:15:51] <Iridos> obviously the best thing is not to use a derivative... also
• 2687[15:15:52] <Iridos> !best
• 2688[15:15:53] <dpkg> Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis!
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• 2690[15:17:00] <jelly> haux: you could... use debian?!
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• 2694[15:18:25] <haux> Jelly: I heard that it deasn't update the stable packages frequently. like fedora or ubuntu
• 2695[15:18:49] <FinalX> define stable; debian has a longer release cycle.
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• 2697[15:19:25] <XeonSquared> haux: you could use a less stable channel
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• 2700[15:20:29] <Iridos> haux, not updating stable packages except for security updates is best
• 2701[15:20:35] <Iridos> and gloria gaynor
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• 2705[15:21:37] <FinalX> hm, getent is the most portable thing to exist on pretty much every box I run a template script on, but "getent hosts" just returns one IP for a host, and getent ahostsv4/ahostsv6 return a little list of the same IP with other stuff, there is no getent hosts -4/-6, anyone have an idea? else i'll parse ahostsv4/ahostsv6 instead :)
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• 2712[15:23:20] <mick2> haux: you can still do some pining if you want cutting edges paquets
• 2713[15:24:55] <sprakk> Im having a strange issue with date and timezones... if I do "date +%Z" I get EEST ... but when I do "TZ=EEST date" the displayed time is off by 3 hours (corresponds to GMT..) but if I do "TZ=EET date" I get my local time correctly... Is this a bug or what am I missing here?
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• 2715[15:28:34] <jelly> haux: correct.
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• 2717[15:29:10] <themill> sprakk: TZ values are of the form region/city from tzselect(1), so TZ='Europe/Helsinki'
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• 2719[15:29:29] <jak2000> hi all
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• 2723[15:29:44] <jak2000> my ubuntu started in graphical mode, how to start but in Text Mode?
• 2724[15:30:04] <sprakk> themill: yes, I do that I get the correct value. But why is date +%Z not giving me the same?
• 2725[15:30:36] <teraflops> jak2000: please ask in Ubuntu
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• 2727[15:30:45] <themill> sprakk: because %Z does not mean that
• 2728[15:30:45] <jak2000> sorry
• 2729[15:30:48] <jak2000> is a debian jessie
• 2730[15:31:59] <sprakk> themill: so the abbreviation is useless as a setting for TZ? except incidentally for some values (the abbreviation works for EET or for things like EEST)
• 2731[15:32:11] <themill> correct
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• 2733[15:32:35] <themill> the abbreviations are not unique, are vague and often meaningless
• 2734[15:33:06] <themill> but they are what you might find in your local TV program
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• 2736[15:34:02] <sprakk> themill: so I should use "cat /etc/timezone" instead of date +%Z to get accurate timezone?
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• 2740[15:34:35] <themill> pretty much
• 2741[15:34:42] <Iridos> sprakk, TZ=blubba date +%Z
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• 2746[15:37:04] <sprakk> Iridos: yes, that prints blubba ... but then "TZ=Europe/Helsinki date +%Z" prints "EEST"
• 2747[15:37:20] <Iridos> sprakk, I also stumbled upon that, although I didn't try %Z... but basically date will return ... UTC when it doesn't like the value of TZ... and it will not tell you if it likes a value in TZ or not
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• 2749[15:37:40] <sprakk> Iridos: hmm, yes it seems so..
• 2750[15:37:49] <sprakk> themill, Iridos: thanks for the info!
• 2751[15:37:58] <Iridos> sprakk, yes, but TZ=EEST date +%Z prints EEST for the same reason that my example printed "blubba"
• 2752[15:38:24] <jak2000> how to config my debian for start in text mode?
• 2753[15:38:30] <sprakk> Iridos: hmm, ok yes I understand
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• 2755[15:39:00] <themill> dpkg: tell jak2000 about nodm
• 2756[15:39:23] <Iridos> sprakk, also... date supports one set of formats for parsing with --date=xxx and another set of formats for printing
• 2757[15:39:55] <Iridos> don't remember so well, but that means there are things you can print but not parse and/or vice versa
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• 2764[15:41:44] <Iridos> sprakk, replaced-url
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• 2766[15:43:23] <Iridos> it's only from 2011!
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• 2769[15:43:40] <Iridos> will be fixed Any Day Soon now!
• 2770[15:44:29] <Rene> Good afternoon :-)
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• 2777[15:47:58] <Iridos> sprakk, oh yeah... and from 2013: replaced-url
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• 2789[15:52:01] <Iridos> sprakk, if you look at the threads of both of those... well, this one is one of the more intersting: replaced-url
• 2790[15:52:11] <Iridos> seems this isn't even something date does, but libc6
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• 2825[16:07:58] <sprakk> Iridos: thanks for the info, that is really helpful!
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• 2838[16:11:01] <enoch> hi all
• 2839[16:11:05] <enoch> how to clear nodes?
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• 2841[16:11:34] <enoch> /dev/sda1 9.9G 8.8G 550M 95% / | /dev/sda1 640K 640K 193 100% /
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• 2858[16:16:58] <petn-randall> enoch: Do you mean inodes?
• 2859[16:17:21] <enoch> yes
• 2860[16:17:29] <enoch> the system tells i have no space left
• 2861[16:17:32] <enoch> but i have 500M
• 2862[16:17:34] <petn-randall> enoch: By deleting (small) files and directories.
• 2863[16:17:48] <enoch> mhhh
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• 2865[16:18:13] <petn-randall> enoch: Or you can extend the filesystem, as the ratio of inodes is constant to the filesystem size.
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• 2869[16:18:42] <enoch> which file are safe to delete usuallY?
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• 2871[16:19:01] <petn-randall> enoch: How did you fill all inodes, though? On all my systems I hardly get over 1% of inode usage. Did you set the inode ratio by hand?
• 2872[16:19:18] <enoch> don't know
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• 2874[16:19:25] <enoch> it is a gcloud stance
• 2875[16:19:30] <enoch> instance*
• 2876[16:19:34] <petn-randall> enoch: Depends on your files. I'd check /tmp to see if it is filled with bogus files.
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• 2879[16:19:59] <enoch> replaced-url
• 2880[16:20:11] <enoch> . /tmp is empty
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• 2882[16:20:32] <FinalX> enoch: maybe a cache dir of some kind, there much be a lot of tiny files somewhere
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• 2885[16:20:45] <enoch> is there a way to find these files?
• 2886[16:20:50] <FinalX> find / -type f > /run/shm/filesystem.txt
• 2887[16:20:59] <markybob> Echo6: 95% makes sense. the system saves 5% for root. you probably have a lot of *.gz files in /var/log/ that can be deleted
• 2888[16:21:12] <FinalX> then go over that file (manually or automated) and see if anything stands out
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• 2890[16:21:35] <FinalX> /var/log probably won't contain hundreds of thousands of files
• 2891[16:21:41] <petn-randall> enoch: find -empty /
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• 2893[16:21:48] <FinalX> you need to reduce the amount of files, not big files
• 2894[16:21:52] <petn-randall> enoch: And use common sense which of those files can be deleted.
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• 2897[16:22:16] <markybob> Echo6: did you apt-get clean?
• 2898[16:22:30] <vegardx> You can also safely empty apt cache
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• 2901[16:23:09] <Iridos> but 95% use on space really might be a 2nd sticking point
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• 2904[16:23:37] <Iridos> enoch, what filesystem is that?
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• 2906[16:23:49] <enoch> i have 511275 under /usr/src
• 2907[16:24:20] <Iridos> well, as you have 640K total...
• 2908[16:24:22] <enoch> there are 42 linux headers installed
• 2909[16:24:22] <enoch> lol
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• 2911[16:24:43] <enoch> now the question is, how to delete them without locking apt?
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• 2913[16:25:11] <petn-randall> enoch: Did you 'apt-get clean'?
• 2914[16:25:15] <enoch> my apt is locked at the moment and it cannot fix dependencies because there is no space left
• 2915[16:25:46] <enoch> i cannot apt-get -f install
• 2916[16:25:49] <enoch> this is the problem
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• 2918[16:26:05] <Iridos> enoch, pastebin the errors you get from apt-get ... and probably better the one from dpkg -r somepackage_you_dont_need
• 2919[16:26:16] <enoch> then i should apt-get auto remove to delete all headers
• 2920[16:26:21] <enoch> ok
• 2921[16:26:25] <petn-randall> enoch: 'apt-get clean' should still work, anyway.
• 2922[16:26:25] <enoch> so i can use dpkg
• 2923[16:26:26] <markybob> not listening is the problem
• 2924[16:26:40] <enoch> no apt-get clean is not doing anything
• 2925[16:27:28] <Iridos> it shouldn't write anything, but it will free space and inodes
• 2926[16:27:41] <vegardx> Sure it is, it empties /var/cache/apt, which usually contains quite a lot of data on a normal system.
• 2927[16:27:49] <enoch> /dev/sda1 640K 640K 230 100% /
• 2928[16:27:51] <enoch> still 100%
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• 2931[16:28:31] <vegardx> Wait, you have 640k (ought to be enough for everyone!) root drive?
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• 2933[16:28:34] <themill> the number of files in /var/cache/apt would be tiny
• 2934[16:28:40] <FinalX> vegardx :)
• 2935[16:28:48] <petn-randall> vegardx: No, that's the inode count.
• 2936[16:28:51] <vegardx> aah
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• 2938[16:29:15] <petn-randall> enoch: Did you run 'find -empty /' as root yet?
• 2939[16:29:16] <FinalX> well, getting enough inodes free to finish apt-get's run to unlock it, could help with removing packages he doesn't need in an easier way
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• 2941[16:29:36] <FinalX> he did say there's 42 linux headers installed, with 511k files in /usr/src ..
• 2942[16:29:44] <FinalX> so I doubt he'll find a lot of empty files
• 2943[16:29:59] <Iridos> hm, well, I have IUsed 795K out of Inodes 3.0M
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• 2945[16:30:21] <FinalX> I'm glad I don't have an inode limit on nearly all of my filesystems anymore :)
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• 2951[16:30:55] <Iridos> just saying... if I had his partition, I'd have run into that limit, too
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• 2953[16:31:00] <enoch> solving forcing delete with dpkg
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• 2955[16:31:41] <Iridos> (there's no separate /home though, mind)
• 2956[16:31:53] <Iridos> err, there is
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• 2959[16:32:09] <enoch> now i only have to launch apt-get autoremove to free it
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• 2961[16:32:17] <FinalX> enoch: do you have a lot of ram and therefore a large /run/shm? you could move some stuff from /usr/src there, remove some linux header packages with dpkg after, then move back and remove the packages for those files.
• 2962[16:32:20] <enoch> thank you btw
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• 2964[16:32:20] <dka> what is a good irc client like mIRC for debian 8 ?
• 2965[16:32:39] <dka> what is a good irc client like mIRC for debian 8 ?
• 2966[16:32:43] <enoch> yes I'm removing all headers i don't need under /usr/src
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• 2968[16:33:16] <enoch> thank you btw
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• 2971[16:34:04] <teraflops> dka: hexchat
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• 2980[16:37:18] <stoned> I'm trying to use the ncureses, I try to #include <curses.h> in my source but it throws an error that it can't be found, as well as ncurses.h
• 2981[16:37:22] <stoned> Do you know which lib I need
• 2982[16:37:46] <tinyhippo> /8/14
• 2983[16:38:04] <markybob> stoned: libncurses5-dev
• 2984[16:38:10] <stoned> ahh
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• 2990[16:38:48] <stoned> stoned@Stoned-PC:~$ search ncurses|grep dev <- did that right before I asked. Frew diff ones shows up. Thanks
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• 2996[16:42:06] <stoned> It fails on make, undefined references as if it can't find the headers
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• 2998[16:42:31] <stoned> linking to ncurses manually w/ gcc seems to do the trick.
• 2999[16:42:47] <jak2000> how to uninstall java?
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• 3004[16:45:32] <stoned> jak2000: dpkg --get-selections|grep java and uninstall those packages
• 3005[16:46:15] <Iridos> $ dpkg --get-selections|grep java | wc -l --> 204
• 3006[16:46:47] <Iridos> one wonders what'll be left
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• 3009[16:47:04] <vegardx> Probably some auto updater to set your homepage to Yahoo.
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• 3012[16:47:18] <stoned> or apt-get --purge remove ^.*java*
• 3013[16:47:22] <stoned> For a more extreme removal.
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• 3015[16:47:25] <vegardx> Sounds daaaaaangerous!
• 3016[16:47:27] <stoned> should nuke everything!
• 3017[16:47:35] <stoned> java related. and depends.
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• 3019[16:47:50] <vegardx> There are tons of things that aren't directly Java but contain that name in them.
• 3020[16:47:53] <jak2000> ok thanks
• 3021[16:47:56] <Iridos> yeah, including some javascript libraries like libjavascriptcoregtk-1.0-0:amd64
• 3022[16:47:56] <stoned> true.
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• 3025[16:48:07] <stoned> ok nm that then.
• 3026[16:48:09] <stoned> bad idea.
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• 3029[16:48:47] <stoned> The following packages will be REMOVED:
• 3030[16:48:50] <stoned> ca-certificates-java* default-jre* default-jre-headless* openjdk-7-jre* openjdk-7-jre-headless*
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• 3032[16:48:56] <stoned> or apt-get --purge remove ^.*jdk*
• 3033[16:49:05] <stoned> maybe?
• 3034[16:49:17] <stoned> \o/
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• 3038[16:49:50] <Iridos> well, I'd have a lookee what THOSE are before doing that with apt-cache search "^.*jdk*"
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• 3041[16:50:07] <Iridos> mmh, wait, that needs a --names-only, I guess
• 3042[16:50:18] <Iridos> still 70 packages
• 3043[16:50:46] <Iridos> dpkg, install java
• 3044[16:50:46] <dpkg> For the Java web browser plugin, install the icedtea-plugin package. For other Java programs, install the default-jre package to get the default or manually select one of openjdk-6-jre or openjdk-7-jre yourself. The old <sun-java6> packages are best avoided as Oracle now forbids Debian providing any security updates to them. See also <java alternatives>.
• 3045[16:50:52] <Iridos> just do that one backwards!
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• 3047[16:51:16] <stoned> yah, ^.*jdk* should suffice in this case
• 3048[16:51:22] <stoned> plus the iceweasel plugin
• 3049[16:51:34] <themill> interesting mixture of regexp and glob
• 3050[16:51:47] <stoned> hey mill
• 3051[16:51:48] <Iridos> jak2000, what is that question about?
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• 3054[16:52:13] <Iridos> themill, means you can have as many ks as you want, mmkkkkkkkk?
• 3055[16:52:20] <themill> k
• 3056[16:52:43] <stoned> Que?
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• 3058[16:53:23] <Iridos> apt-get uses regexp, though, right?
• 3059[16:53:33] <stoned> Mhmm
• 3060[16:53:40] <Iridos> well, and apt-cache
• 3061[16:53:46] <stoned> *nod*
• 3062[16:53:56] <Iridos> yeah... apt-cache has it documented
• 3063[16:54:06] <Iridos> ... search regex.
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• 3065[16:54:30] <jak2000> my network card not bringup at the start/boot, i need do a ifdown eth0 and then ifup eth0 how to fix it?
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• 3070[16:55:56] <Iridos> themill, heh. guess it's only fair, because apt uses an interesting mix of regex (apt-cache search) and globs (dpkg)
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• 3074[16:56:50] <themill> and pinning can use both
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• 3103[17:08:24] <c0rnel> hello
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• 3109[17:09:17] <c0rnel> is gramophile still working in latest debian?
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• 3112[17:09:54] <petn-randall> ,v gramophile
• 3113[17:09:55] <judd> No package named 'gramophile' was found in amd64.
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• 3116[17:10:28] <c0rnel> eek
• 3117[17:10:38] <c0rnel> thank you petn-randall
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• 3119[17:10:42] <petn-randall> c0rnel: It's not packaged in Debian, but I'm not sure which software you're referring to.
• 3120[17:11:34] <c0rnel> ah
• 3121[17:11:41] <c0rnel> it's called gramofile, actually
• 3122[17:11:54] <c0rnel> not used it fro more thatn ten years, sorry :)
• 3123[17:12:00] <petn-randall> ,v gramofile
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• 3125[17:12:01] <judd> Package: gramofile on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.6-8; jessie: 1.6-9; wheezy: 1.6-9; stretch: 1.6-10; sid: 1.6-10
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• 3128[17:12:20] <petn-randall> c0rnel: Looks like that is still alive and kicking in every release, yes :)
• 3129[17:12:30] <c0rnel> thank you
• 3130[17:12:39] <c0rnel> it's for vinyl ripping
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• 3132[17:13:10] <c0rnel> Transfer sound from gramophone records to computer storage
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• 3134[17:13:34] <c0rnel> is debian still booting on non-PAE processors?
• 3135[17:13:48] <Ingvixes> debian timeouts all connected storages at boot. what can I do?
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• 3137[17:14:17] <Ingvixes> and system goes to emergency mode
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• 3252[18:01:46] <Ischwitz> also says dependency failed for local file system
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• 3262[18:04:19] <Kobaz> so i dist-upgraded on wheezy and now my ssh logins are incredibly slow
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• 3267[18:05:02] <Kobaz> my ssh debug is showing that it's pausing on debug1: PAM: establishing credentials debug3: PAM: opening session
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• 3269[18:05:13] <FinalX> Kobaz: I usually have that problem when the host that is connecting is being DNS-resolved and resolving doesn't work or is really slow.
• 3270[18:05:16] <Kobaz> and it's stuck on opening session for about 30 seconds
• 3271[18:05:21] <Kobaz> UseDNS is turned off in my config
• 3272[18:05:25] <FinalX> o
• 3273[18:05:39] <Kobaz> GSSAPIAuthentication is also off
• 3274[18:05:47] <Kobaz> which is something that usually causes delays
• 3275[18:05:49] <FinalX> NIS/YP configured and not responding or running?
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• 3278[18:06:05] <Kobaz> my nssswitch is pretty basic, files/dns
• 3279[18:06:08] <Kobaz> no mdns or anything
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• 3281[18:06:45] <Kobaz> replaced-url
• 3282[18:06:47] <Kobaz> tried that too
• 3283[18:06:57] <Kobaz> commented out pam_ck_connector.so nox11
• 3284[18:06:59] <Kobaz> and that didn't do it
• 3285[18:07:05] <Kobaz> maybe i'll strace this
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• 3288[18:07:37] <Kobaz> su is also really slow
• 3289[18:07:40] <Kobaz> so it's gotta be pam
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• 3297[18:10:28] <Kobaz> time ssh -p 55222 msb date
• 3298[18:10:40] <Kobaz> real 0m25.406s\
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• 3300[18:11:40] <ledixus> Kobaz: i had the same behavior today. systemctl restart systemd-logind.service fixed it
• 3301[18:12:07] <Kobaz> # systemctl restart systemd-logind.service Failed to get D-Bus connection: Unknown error -1
• 3302[18:12:27] <Kobaz> restarted dbus, no gos
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• 3304[18:13:32] <Kobaz> haha
• 3305[18:13:38] <Kobaz> i kill -9'd /lib/systemd/systemd-logind
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• 3307[18:13:43] <Kobaz> and that fixed it
• 3308[18:13:55] <ledixus> :)
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• 3310[18:14:11] <Kobaz> i'm not even running systemd as my init
• 3311[18:14:17] <Kobaz> that crap shouldn't be running
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• 3313[18:14:38] <phre4k> hi, I want to install Debian+encrypted LVM on an SSD with GPT partitioning. I found a guide but I'm not sure if grub is what I want. replaced-url
• 3314[18:14:58] <phre4k> can I use systemd-boot with Debian+LUKS?
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• 3316[18:15:20] <Kobaz> ii sysvinit 2.88dsf-59 amd64 System-V-like init utilities - transitional package
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• 3319[18:15:54] <phre4k> Kobaz: systemd isn't crap, you clearly don't have a clue what it is if you say so ;)
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• 3321[18:15:58] <FinalX> Kobaz: by default, systemd is installed, you will have to install sysvinit, but also remove systemd obviously. in order to remove systemd you'd need to boot with the sysvinit ofc
• 3322[18:16:09] <Kobaz> yeah
• 3323[18:16:15] <phre4k> one may not like it as init system but saying systemd is crap is insulting to all the hard work developers and distributors put in it
• 3324[18:16:19] <Kobaz> phre4k: i do have a clue
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• 3326[18:16:31] <Kobaz> phre4k: i've been reading about systemd even since it came out
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• 3328[18:16:42] <Kobaz> and i've used it and had it on many systems
• 3329[18:16:55] <Kobaz> and it's now gone from all those systems because it's just not the right tool for the job
• 3330[18:16:56] <phre4k> Kobaz: that's okay, just don't say it's crap
• 3331[18:17:04] <FinalX> systemd is just way more complex, and in the way of unprivileged lxc containers (which is where i remove it in favor of sysvinit or upstart-sysv, depending on jessie or xenial)
• 3332[18:17:32] <FinalX> running it on the hosts themselves happily, though.
• 3333[18:17:35] <Kobaz> well
• 3334[18:17:49] <Kobaz> obviously this is going to turn into an emacs/vi religious debate
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• 3336[18:18:08] <Kobaz> but, it's like, we all know ryobi is cheap chinese knockoffs
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• 3338[18:18:16] <Kobaz> so, systemd is kind of like that
• 3339[18:18:28] <Kobaz> it works, but not as well as all the alternatives
• 3340[18:19:08] <Kobaz> therefore i believe the c word is appropriate
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• 3342[18:19:17] <Kobaz> but anyway
• 3343[18:19:29] <Kobaz> i'm happy my sshing is not delayed anymore
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• 3345[18:19:42] <FinalX> ok, really, I was about to defend you, but phre4k is right, stop insulting developers here. I didn't like systemd much either, but it really is not crap. It's just different and more complex.
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• 3347[18:20:01] <FinalX> that you don't know your way around it, does not equal to something being crap :)
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• 3349[18:20:35] <Kobaz> well
• 3350[18:20:45] <Kobaz> not being able to understand how to use something, doesn't make it crap, i agree
• 3351[18:21:14] <Kobaz> but the overall design, and security implications, are just completely opposite as to where we need to be going
• 3352[18:21:19] <Kobaz> where the rest of the ecosystem is going
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• 3355[18:21:44] <Kobaz> we should be going into containerized privilege separated independent well-defined processes
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• 3358[18:22:12] <Kobaz> and system is pulling that together into one pile and making a perfect target for the next generation of viruses and worms
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• 3360[18:22:18] <Kobaz> among other issues
• 3361[18:22:23] <Kobaz> binary logging and all that
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• 3364[18:22:51] <Kobaz> so.. if you want to work on something in the wrong direction, go for it, the developers are not helping the ecosystem by furthering systemd
• 3365[18:23:58] <phre4k> Kobaz: you think systemd is wrong, make your own distro, but stop shitting on stuff you don't understand 100% ;)
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• 3367[18:24:18] <Kobaz> i have my own distro, thanks
• 3368[18:24:22] <Kobaz> it's debian-based
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• 3371[18:24:36] <Kobaz> and i would prefer to keep systemd out of it
• 3372[18:24:36] <phre4k> Kobaz: if you're interested, read "The biggest Myths" (of systemd): replaced-url
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• 3374[18:25:02] <Kobaz> and many of those myths have been debunked many times and proven correct
• 3375[18:25:12] <Kobaz> it's a decent idea
• 3376[18:25:19] <Kobaz> but, wrong implementation
• 3377[18:25:53] <phre4k> ok, but it's not crap, to be clear ;)
• 3378[18:26:15] <Kobaz> ie: monlithic myth has already been debunked
• 3379[18:26:21] <Iridos> obviously, all open source software is crap, because it's made by so many amateurs
• 3380[18:26:27] <Kobaz> Iridos: true that
• 3381[18:26:27] <phre4k> ^ that's right
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• 3383[18:26:36] <Iridos> :D
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• 3386[18:27:40] <Okol> Why does Nautilus' Browse Network not show my other Debian machine, on the same WLAN? Their firewalls are disabled.
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• 3388[18:27:53] <Kobaz> at least can we all agree on a common thing being utter crap?
• 3389[18:27:57] <Kobaz> SCO Unix
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• 3399[18:31:34] <prussian> do you still have to restart to update systemd's init?
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• 3402[18:31:58] <Jaga-Jaga> Is Chromium as goood as Google Chrome ?
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• 3406[18:32:26] <Iridos> Jaga-Jaga, no
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• 3409[18:32:41] <prussian> well assuming google doesn't introduce some new functionality or other major code changes in its proprietary release, it should be the same Jaga-Jaga
• 3410[18:32:44] <teraflops> Iridos: why not?
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• 3415[18:33:18] <prussian> but idk Jaga-Jaga
• 3416[18:33:26] <Iridos> teraflops, it lacks some proprietary codecs that chrome can have. *shrug*
• 3417[18:33:28] <prussian> I avoid proprietary software
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• 3419[18:33:40] <teraflops> ^
• 3420[18:34:12] <Iridos> functionality-wise, that makes it "not as good"
• 3421[18:34:33] <Iridos> (not that I use it, though)
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• 3423[18:34:39] <phre4k> can I somehow use systemd-boot instead of grub while installing Debian?
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• 3425[18:35:18] <Iridos> teraflops, chrome also has the more-nicely colored icon, compared to chromium. Another clear criterium!
• 3426[18:35:21] <teraflops> Iridos: I never noticed lack of hw accel if you meant that, also that functionality youre talking about is a mystery for me (I do use chromium btw)
• 3427[18:35:39] <teraflops> Iridos: ah I see, icons ^
• 3428[18:35:40] <FinalX> Chrome also has Dinorun for when you're not connected to the internet.
• 3429[18:35:53] <Iridos> I also use chromium... but I just read on the differences 2 days ago
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• 3432[18:36:45] <Ischwitz> I have no cursor in my debian terminal. How do I turn it on?
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• 3434[18:37:19] <Iridos> teraflops, chromium may also miss some important proprietary report-to-google features that chrome has... but who knows
• 3435[18:37:21] <teraflops> I just noticed that chromiun sucks less than firefox that's why I use it till I find something better
• 3436[18:37:33] <teraflops> Iridos: hey that's a feature
• 3437[18:37:40] <Iridos> that's what I just said!
• 3438[18:37:45] <teraflops> heh
• 3439[18:37:48] <markybob> the big thing is chrome has netflix support
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• 3442[18:37:54] <Iridos> and I disagree... it just sucks differently from firefox
• 3443[18:38:04] <teraflops> markybob: also chromiun if you get the widevine thingy
• 3444[18:38:34] <Iridos> the containered tabs are great... that it doesn't distinguish between downloads and viewing a document in an external application is maddening (and so are some other things)
• 3445[18:38:35] <teraflops> not sure how it's achieved in debian though, I just use debian for servers
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• 3449[18:39:52] <Iridos> also chromiums "we don't encrypt your passwords at all, because we can't get the database to be really secure" approach
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• 3457[18:42:11] <stoned> I use chrome official, and not chromium
• 3458[18:42:26] <stoned> Chromium on debian has to be recompiled from source to enable the widewine support
• 3459[18:43:00] <teraflops> Iridos: I don't know what that means, which passwords are you talking about specifically?
• 3460[18:43:00] <stoned> It's not like Arch or another distro where the chromium package is already build w/ widewine support and all you have to do is drop the .so lib in the chromium pckage, from chrome
• 3461[18:43:12] <stoned> In debian chromium widewine is sort of a pita.
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• 3464[18:43:44] <teraflops> stoned: hmm widevine sounds like drm propietary shit :P
• 3465[18:43:45] <Iridos> teraflops, the ones firefox/chromium fills for you into webpages
• 3466[18:43:48] <stoned> it is
• 3467[18:43:56] <stoned> it's DRM stuff for netflix/hulu stuffs
• 3468[18:43:58] <stoned> I think
• 3469[18:44:04] <Iridos> but I admit that I just read that and haven't looked at it myself
• 3470[18:44:10] <teraflops> Iridos: well what's wrong with doing https?
• 3471[18:44:34] <Iridos> teraflops, the user/password combos you can save in the browser
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• 3473[18:44:49] <teraflops> Iridos: nah I'm just curios not that I'm debating anything
• 3474[18:44:52] <teraflops> curious*
• 3475[18:44:57] <Iridos> ?
• 3476[18:45:08] <Iridos> I think we're not both talking about the same thing
• 3477[18:45:17] <teraflops> Iridos: ah right
• 3478[18:45:33] <teraflops> yeah I get it now
• 3479[18:46:18] <stoned> I am making a log viewer in ncurses, got ideas?
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• 3481[18:46:52] <stoned> Wondering if I should go w/ c or python
• 3482[18:46:58] <stoned> So far I've started in C
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• 3484[18:47:23] <teraflops> stoned: no but you have my sympathies :P
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• 3486[18:47:30] <stoned> It's just for fun :)
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• 3488[18:47:44] <stoned> I figured why not make a log viewer in ncurses as my first app
• 3489[18:47:46] <stoned> I'm really bored.
• 3490[18:47:49] <stoned> :)
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• 3493[18:48:28] <teraflops> ncurses is ... I think there's a similar but more friendly python thingy
• 3494[18:48:39] <stoned> replaced-url
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• 3500[18:49:27] <stoned> teraflops: or...
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• 3502[18:49:33] <stoned> all in one system file config editor.
• 3503[18:49:35] <stoned> *shrug
• 3504[18:49:43] <stoned> I dunno yet. Just doing tings b/c I have nothing else to do in life.
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• 3508[18:50:17] <teraflops> stoned: yeah I'm bored too I'm doing a scripts that print text in a dzen bar like those led scrolling bars :P
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• 3510[18:50:27] <stoned> oh cool
• 3511[18:50:34] <stoned> I use xmobar, never used dzen
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• 3514[18:50:48] <teraflops> hmm, not for me
• 3515[18:50:54] <stoned> what's your wm?
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• 3521[18:51:56] <teraflops> xmonad!
• 3522[18:51:56] <teraflops> stoned: replaced-url
• 3523[18:52:02] <Iridos> teraflops, if you have any saved... try: echo "select username_value,password_value from logins;"| sqlite3 ~/".config/chromium/Default/Login Data"
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• 3528[18:52:52] <teraflops> Iridos: nope but I'm gong to save some and check it like you suggest
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• 3532[18:54:38] <Iridos> teraflops, or, if your screen doesn't lock fast enough, any idiot can come by and do Settings -> Show Advanced Settings -> Manage passwords -> click on a password -> Show
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• 3535[18:55:20] <Iridos> of course it's never good if someone gets access to your desktop even for a short time...
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• 3537[18:55:43] <Iridos> but a mistake like that doesn't have to leak plain-text passwords without any further effort
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• 3539[18:56:15] <Iridos> there's probably an addon or so that ... "LastPass", maybe
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• 3541[18:56:21] <teraflops> Iridos: :O
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• 3543[18:56:43] <stoned> teraflops: what is that?
• 3544[18:57:01] <teraflops> stoned: what, the ptpb video?
• 3545[18:57:06] <stoned> yes
• 3546[18:57:09] <Iridos> teraflops,?
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• 3548[18:57:22] <teraflops> Iridos: yeah i see plain passwords there :P
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• 3550[18:57:45] <Iridos> firefox at least asks you your "master password" before that...
• 3551[18:57:48] <Iridos> which may not be worth much
• 3552[18:57:50] <teraflops> stoned: did you see it?
• 3553[18:57:53] <RoyK> any idea why transmission-daemon doesn't seem to be started according to /etc/default/transmission-daemon?
• 3554[18:57:56] <stoned> teraflops: yes
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• 3558[18:58:33] <teraflops> Iridos: that's a bad thing since many people save passwords
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• 3561[18:59:33] <teraflops> stoned: well it's a useless script for printing lyrics or rss feeds at top zden bar
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• 3564[18:59:44] <stoned> Ohhh
• 3565[18:59:49] <stoned> Oh nice man
• 3566[18:59:51] <stoned> Wicked.
• 3567[19:00:03] <stoned> Now that I know what it is. I thought you were showing me some poetry you write
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• 3569[19:00:09] <stoned> I got confused b/c I'm stoned
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• 3571[19:00:17] <Iridos> teraflops, their stance on it is this (just searched it, haven't read all of it right now.... think I read that or something similar some time ago, though): replaced-url
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• 3573[19:00:35] <stoned> teraflops: I also make debian art
• 3574[19:00:40] <stoned> I used to, but I will again.
• 3575[19:01:00] <Iridos> I completely disagree with their stance there...
• 3576[19:01:11] <teraflops> Iridos: that's crazy
• 3577[19:01:31] <stoned> replaced-url
• 3578[19:01:32] <Iridos> teraflops, so... you agree with me that firefox and chromium only suck in different ways? :)
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• 3580[19:01:44] <markybob> you should really go to #debian-offtopic for non-support chat
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• 3582[19:01:57] <stoned> replaced-url
• 3583[19:01:57] <teraflops> Iridos: well, I just said ff sucks a bit more
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• 3585[19:02:17] <stoned> replaced-url
• 3586[19:02:28] <teraflops> stoned: lets talk _there_
• 3587[19:02:38] <stoned> replaced-url
• 3588[19:02:49] <stoned> I lost the disk drive and I lost the original Gimp XCF sources
• 3589[19:02:57] <stoned> But I will rasterize and blow these up
• 3590[19:03:03] <stoned> Sorry, vectorize*
• 3591[19:03:10] <stoned> Oh ok
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• 3593[19:03:28] <Iridos> teraflops, EXCEPT if someone walks by the computer you forgot to lock and takes 30 seconds to get an important password, eh? :P
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• 3595[19:03:39] <teraflops> Iridos: it's just an opinion
• 3596[19:03:48] <Iridos> ?
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• 3605[19:05:04] <teraflops> Iridos: yeah youre right, but as I said it's just _my_ opinion
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• 3607[19:05:43] <stoned> markybob: just saw your message
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• 3674[19:32:32] <arthar360> Hi all... Just got something weird on screen while using fdisk & GUI Disks application on Kali Linux. Here is the screenshot. The Disks show only 1 partition ie NTFS. Fdisk shows 4 partitions one of which is Speedstor. ls /dev/sdd* shows nothing. Strange. May be a bug? replaced-url
• 3675[19:32:53] <markybob> !kali
• 3676[19:32:53] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
• 3677[19:32:59] <markybob> arthar360: not supported here
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• 3679[19:33:55] <arthar360> markybob, I know that..But since kali is based on debian, thought that anyone here might have seen such strange issue..
• 3680[19:34:10] <greycat> Nobody here runs a GUI "Disks" application and we don't even know what program that actually \is.
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• 3682[19:34:24] <markybob> !based on
• 3683[19:34:24] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
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• 3686[19:34:37] <markybob> arthar360: doesn't work that way
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• 3688[19:34:50] <crapsickle> Question, when chroot is enable why would you need to add a device such as mknod /var/chroot/somethinghere/dev/null c 1 3
• 3689[19:35:09] <greycat> So that there is a /dev/null available when you are inside the chroot.
• 3690[19:35:19] <greycat> But I think usually you do a bind mount of /dev instead.
• 3691[19:35:27] <crapsickle> but its purpose ?
• 3692[19:35:37] <greycat> The purpose is to have a /dev/null. As I said.
• 3693[19:35:56] <crapsickle> let me clarify, what is its function
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• 3695[19:36:14] <greycat> You mean, what is /dev/null? See "man null".
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• 3697[19:36:28] <awwal> Any temperature monitoring pkg similar to top, htop...?
• 3698[19:36:34] <greycat> Shell scripts use /dev/null to discard unwanted output.
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• 3701[19:37:10] <crapsickle> I will read the man file
• 3702[19:37:16] <crapsickle> thanks
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• 3711[19:42:07] <zed_theMartian> hey guys! just bought an acer aspire e15 and can't get the wifi to work, had the same problem with arch linux. can someone help me?
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• 3721[19:44:05] <TomTomTo1> zed_theMartian: are you sitting on it right now and did the debian installation finish?
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• 3726[19:44:49] <zed_theMartian> sitting i didn't understand, but the installation finished, yea
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• 3730[19:45:13] <TomTomTosch> zed_theMartian: lspci -nn | grep Network'
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• 3734[19:46:11] <TomTomTosch> zed_theMartian: need to know what chipset that is. pciid is important should look like [1234:abcd]
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• 3736[19:46:36] <zed_theMartian> TomTomTosh: network controller: Qualcom Atheros Device
• 3737[19:46:58] <TomTomTosch> zed_theMartian: that's not all.
• 3738[19:47:02] <zed_theMartian> TomTomTosh: 168:0042
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• 3742[19:48:19] <TomTomTosch> that doesn't look right. pls copy the whole line to paste.debian.net
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• 3747[19:49:51] <TomTomTosch> zed_theMartian: the whole output of lspci -nn | grep Network
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• 3749[19:51:48] <zed_theMartian> TomTomTosh: i don't get it, what is it supposed to do ? gave me: Could not add your entry to the paste database
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• 3752[19:53:30] <greycat> Yeah, it's broken for me too. Try a different paste site, or just paste the line here.
• 3753[19:53:32] <markybob> zed_theMartian: it'll let us know your chipset.
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• 3755[19:54:01] <greycat> Oh. There's the error, BELOW the message...
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• 3757[19:54:05] <greycat> Thanks to some spammers you need to provide at least 2 linebreaks
• 3758[19:54:09] <converge> anyone knows a good tutorial about shh chroot on debian ?
• 3759[19:54:31] <greycat> So, try a different paste site, or paste the line here, or pad the paste.d.n entry with extra newlines.
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• 3761[19:55:31] <drmagoo> How does terminal/bash-colors work? I've created custom-colors for urxvt that works, until I ssh to another machine, then the color-palatte change. Can you do something about that ?
• 3762[19:55:44] <greycat> Do you mean ls colors?
• 3763[19:56:31] <drmagoo> greycat: you could say that, what the output of "ls -la" looks like (diffrent on the two systems)
• 3764[19:56:39] <greycat> So yes, you mean ls. Not bash.
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• 3767[19:56:57] <prussian> --color=always
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• 3770[19:57:05] <greycat> ls uses the LS_COLORS environment variable. When you ssh to another system, that other system doesn't have your LS_COLORS variable. And/or your shell isn't using the same ls alias, etc.
• 3771[19:57:05] <prussian> they shouldn't be different
• 3772[19:57:15] <zed_theMartian> TomTomTosh: ok, i posted it. now what?
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• 3774[19:57:20] <prussian> if you're using the same term
• 3775[19:57:26] <greycat> And never use --color=always. That's very bad.
• 3776[19:57:35] <TomTomTosch> zed_theMartian: you need to give us the link.
• 3777[19:57:36] <drmagoo> greycat: not ls specifically... Samething if I use tmux with custom colors... tmux-sessions on both systems looks diffrent (the status bar colors for example)
• 3778[19:57:36] <prussian> why not?
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• 3780[19:57:56] <zed_theMartian> TomTomTosh: replaced-url
• 3781[19:58:10] <greycat> drmagoo: I don't know tmux specifically, but it could be the TERM variable changing, especially across the tmux boundary. Or your other system isn't Debian and therefore has a different terminfo entry for your TERM variable.
• 3782[19:58:20] <greycat> drmagoo: We need *way* more info.
• 3783[19:58:25] <TomTomTosch> ,pciid [168c:0042]
• 3784[19:58:26] <judd> [168c:0042] is 'QCA9377 802.11ac Wireless Network Adapter' from 'Qualcomm Atheros' with no known kernel module in jessie or in sid. See also replaced-url
• 3785[19:58:40] <greycat> Go go wireless companies!
• 3786[19:58:56] <drmagoo> greycat: Understand that =) Its rather hard to explain... let me get some pictures...
• 3787[19:59:30] <greycat> drmagoo: Don't need pictures. Just need to know what OS the client and server are, what terminal you're in, what the TERM variable is on each end. Anything else would be for #tmux most likely.
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• 3789[19:59:56] <greycat> Also note that each program has its own *separate* handling of colors, in general.
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• 3792[20:00:21] <jak2000> my network card not bringup at the start/boot, i need do a ifdown eth0 and then ifup eth0 how to fix it?
• 3793[20:00:28] <greycat> Bash doesn't do colors at all (except in the 4.4 prereleases, which aren't pacakged yet). ls uses LS_COLORS and the --color switch, and so on.
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• 3795[20:00:48] <drmagoo> greycat: System is Debian unstable, other host is xubuntu 14.04
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• 3797[20:00:57] <greycat> OK, actually 4.4rc1 is packaged in experimental.
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• 3799[20:01:23] <greycat> It's possible that xubuntu terminfo entry for whatever your TERM variable is, is different from Debian's.
• 3800[20:01:27] <drmagoo> greycat: how to I check with "term" is set?
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• 3802[20:01:32] <greycat> echo "$TERM"
• 3803[20:01:33] <TomTomTosch> zed_theMartian: looks bad. found a post in the forum though from someone who got it working. replaced-url
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• 3808[20:02:40] <drmagoo> greycat: the other system was set to -256colors... that explains it =)
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• 3812[20:05:13] <zed_theMartian> TomTomTosh: gonna try it, thanx!
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• 3814[20:05:36] <drmagoo> greycat: Thank you !
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• 3830[20:08:23] <foul_owl> Hi folks. I installed awesome wm but it doesn't show up in the lightdm wm list
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• 3832[20:08:42] <foul_owl> fluxbox, by contrast does show up
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• 3842[20:12:13] <Walakea> i still have this weird problem with HDD getting too hot about one a month
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• 3845[20:12:52] <TomTomTosch> do you expect a different answer now?
• 3846[20:12:53] <Walakea> a have a laptop, i ran iotop and i could only see processes like kworker, gnome-shell, jbd2/sdaX
• 3847[20:13:05] <Walakea> i did not get any
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• 3852[20:14:08] <Walakea> seems like noone else on the internet is having the same issue
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• 3854[20:14:37] <TomTomTosch> wasn't it like 7° warmer the last few times you asked?
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• 3856[20:14:57] <cruncher> Walakea, what means too hot? what hd/laptop do you have?
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• 3861[20:15:31] <greycat> *How* hot, exactly, and how are you determining this, and what actual issues are you experiencing, and what makes you think the HDD's temperature is relevant?
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• 3863[20:16:15] <Pseudo> hi anyone been using bunsen labs debian here
• 3864[20:16:17] <Walakea> just to put you into context, the laptop is sitting on my desk all the time, the temperature is always 30 - 34 °C
• 3865[20:16:45] <Walakea> it gets up to 42 °C when that happens
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• 3867[20:16:53] <Pseudo> or previously it go by the name of crunchbang..
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• 3869[20:17:24] <markybob> Walakea: that's called normal
• 3870[20:17:24] <Walakea> cruncher 1 TB, 7200 RPM
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• 3872[20:18:09] <cruncher> Walakea, so a 2.5" then? do you have the harddisk & laptop model?
• 3873[20:18:16] <Walakea> temperature may be still normal but i dont find normal the fact that this happens
• 3874[20:18:20] <jmcnaught> Pseudo: they have their own channel #bunsenlabs, this channel is only for Debian not derivatives :)
• 3875[20:18:25] <greycat> *what* happens?
• 3876[20:18:28] <cruncher> and why are you concerned about 42° on a harddisk?
• 3877[20:18:32] <Pseudo> jmcnaught: ok
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• 3879[20:18:50] <Walakea> HGST HTS721010A9E630
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• 3881[20:18:52] <cruncher> 42 is absolutely normal and even very good.
• 3882[20:19:20] <Walakea> the HDD is located just where i have my right hand put on so i can feel it
• 3883[20:19:30] <cruncher> i have exactly the same model
• 3884[20:19:38] <markybob> Walakea: we don't care about your hand. that's normal hd levels
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• 3886[20:19:48] <cruncher> Walakea, what laptop do you have?
• 3887[20:20:28] <Walakea> ASUS F555LB (made only for Central Europe), similar to X555
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• 3890[20:21:13] <markybob> Walakea: and why cant you answer greycat and others? *what* happens other than your hand getting hot?
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• 3893[20:21:41] <Walakea> nothing i would notice
• 3894[20:21:53] <Walakea> thats also strange
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• 3898[20:22:09] <markybob> Walakea: so ...you have nothing to worry about. normal levels. you're making a deal out of nothing.
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• 3901[20:22:15] <greycat> "Help! My HDD is operating at normal temperature, and I'm not experiencing any problems! WHY?!?!"
• 3902[20:22:31] <cruncher> Walakea, well, if the 42° are making the keyboard region too hot for your hand, i guess you should buy another laptop, i never heard of 42° being too much
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• 3905[20:22:57] <TomTomTosch> just noting that they got the same reaction multiple times now...
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• 3907[20:23:04] <cruncher> i had a shitty (plastic) laptop, where the harddisk would go up to 62° because the heat coulndt get out
• 3908[20:23:05] <teraflops> He's just concerned because the summer is comming
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• 3910[20:23:12] <cruncher> and that in winter :D
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• 3913[20:23:56] <teraflops> Walakea: apart from the jokes (with no malice) I guess you're fine
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• 3915[20:24:11] <cruncher> absolutely
• 3916[20:24:14] <greycat> teraflops: Oh, that has an easy fix: move south of the equator.
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• 3919[20:24:40] <pial> recently, often, when I shutdown, it does not shutdown, only just a black glowing screen is shown and keyboard and mouse does not respond. A physical shutdown is the only option. What can be causing it? I schedule a shutdown at night, only to find it running in the morning
• 3920[20:24:43] <cruncher> Walakea, another solution would be, change the hd for a ssd
• 3921[20:25:04] <cruncher> 1TB ssds are quite affordable nowadays
• 3922[20:25:14] <cruncher> (for someone who that is important anyway)
• 3923[20:25:15] <teraflops> Walakea: cruncher had a good point
• 3924[20:25:48] <Walakea> i though that the increased temperature is caused by too many IO operations
• 3925[20:25:56] <cruncher> not necessarely
• 3926[20:26:00] <jmcnaught> pial: how are you shutting down? note that systemd considers halt and poweroff as two different actions (which is a change from tradition)
• 3927[20:26:39] <teraflops> Walakea: if the laptop has a dvd you can put there the original hdd and buy a smaller ssd
• 3928[20:26:45] <Walakea> i am still afraid of GNU/L on SSDs
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• 3931[20:27:01] <teraflops> Walakea: why?
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• 3934[20:27:22] <cruncher> Walakea, why afraid? they dont bite
• 3935[20:27:26] <pial> jmcnaught, sudo shutdown +50, or the poweroff button on gnome3
• 3936[20:27:26] <Walakea> because i see how my wifi card and nvidia card are working
• 3937[20:27:50] <cruncher> you are afraid of a ssd because of how your wifi and nvidia works?
• 3938[20:27:58] <pial> jmcnaught, it happened on both cases
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• 3940[20:28:10] <greycat> Linux doesn't even talk directly to the disk. It talks to the SATA controller.
• 3941[20:28:21] <markybob> Walakea: that's so irrelevant.
• 3942[20:28:26] <cruncher> i use ssds since many years... never had any problem
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• 3944[20:28:37] <jmcnaught> pial: does "systemctl poweroff" do the right thing?
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• 3946[20:29:10] * greycat learns a new thing today: shutdown(8) with no arguments defaults to --poweroff
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• 3949[20:29:35] <greycat> I'm used to commercial Unix boxes where you *must* give an argument (-h or -r).
• 3950[20:29:51] <Walakea> i dont know i heard there are some issues with them, when they are run on a G/L operating system
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• 3952[20:31:01] <markybob> Walakea: yeah...that's what's called bullshit
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• 3954[20:31:11] <teraflops> Heard?
• 3955[20:31:15] <at0m> greycat: try apt show mollyguard. doesn't work with systemctl poweroff ootb though
• 3956[20:31:24] <pial> jmcnaught, i've not tried. the shutdown command works most of the time, but what I noticed that it failed all recent scheduled shutdown that are over an hour or two
• 3957[20:31:42] <greycat> ,info mollyguard
• 3958[20:31:43] <judd> No package named 'mollyguard' was found in jessie/amd64.
• 3959[20:32:09] <at0m> ,info molly-guard
• 3960[20:32:10] <judd> Package molly-guard (admin, extra) in jessie/amd64: protects machines from accidental shutdowns/reboots. Version: 0.4.5-1.1; Size: 12.4k; Installed: 85k
• 3961[20:32:11] <at0m> sorry
• 3962[20:32:29] <RoyK> ,info libfastlz
• 3963[20:32:30] <judd> No package named 'libfastlz' was found in jessie/amd64.
• 3964[20:32:42] <at0m> requires entering hostnaame in case of ssh session
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• 3970[20:34:56] <jak2000> hi jmcnaught!
• 3971[20:34:59] <jak2000> how are you?
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• 3975[20:37:02] <greycat> at0m: Oh, I think I see why you said this. No, I didn't learn this the hard way. I learned it by reading "man shutdown".
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• 3979[20:40:38] <at0m> greycat: just ran into it and found it convenient to detect ssh session to prevent accidental remote shutdowns. not the hard way, more a reassurance :)
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• 3984[20:44:37] <Strife89|laptop> 'lo, folks. Can anyone here tell me whether a Sound Blaster ZX would work acceptably in Debian? Also, does anyone happen to know what chipset the card has?
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• 3998[20:50:18] <Tsutsukakushi> which package in debian hurd was updated that now requires all this junk replaced-url
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• 4002[20:51:28] <greycat> Are you not running stable?
• 4003[20:51:47] <jmcnaught> jak2000: i'm okay. did you figure out your issue from yesterday? i think maybe you were just getting confused by the installer's proxy question. you can just leave it blank if you do not need a proxy.
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• 4006[20:52:33] <Tsutsukakushi> greycat: no
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• 4008[20:53:01] <Tsutsukakushi> ain't no one gonna use hurd as stable yet
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• 4028[20:58:15] <PadawanLearner> may the source be with you
• 4029[20:58:26] <jak2000> PadawanLearner why: replaced-url
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• 4031[20:58:46] <jak2000> when i do a ifdown eth0 and ifup eth0 work my network card
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• 4033[20:59:25] <PadawanLearner> cat /etc/network/interfaces
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• 4035[20:59:49] <jak2000> i cant access and paste
• 4036[20:59:52] <jak2000> but i can paste a image
• 4037[20:59:58] <PadawanLearner> go ahead
• 4038[21:00:55] <jak2000> replaced-url
• 4039[21:01:33] <PadawanLearner> add a line: auto eth0
• 4040[21:02:09] <hexnewbie> jak2000: And after the "auto eth0" line, run "ifup eth0" to bring up the interface manually
• 4041[21:02:10] <jak2000> before iface eth0 ?
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• 4043[21:02:16] <PadawanLearner> yep, and i'm making the assumption that you don't have n-m
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• 4045[21:03:21] <savek> hi
• 4046[21:03:48] <jak2000> if restart the server take the changes right?
• 4047[21:03:53] <jak2000> and not need ifup eth0 right?
• 4048[21:04:22] <jak2000> done
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• 4053[21:04:57] <jak2000> other thing how to create an alias of a network card? eth0 point to network 192.168.0.x i want an alias for point to network: 192.168.1.x how to?
• 4054[21:05:29] <PadawanLearner> i would bo the cisco way
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• 4056[21:05:39] <PadawanLearner> s/bo/go/g
• 4057[21:05:45] <slima> Hi, I have a problem. I need bind9 with dlz-mysql, so I get source via apt, in debian/rules I'm added option, but when I do dpkg-buildflags it's fail because of 'mysql.h: No such file' mysql.h is in /usr/include/mysql/ How can I add this path to dpkg-buildpackage?
• 4058[21:05:49] <markybob> eth0:0 etc
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• 4061[21:06:25] <PadawanLearner> do you have vlan's?
• 4062[21:06:25] <hexnewbie> jak2000: Just add an interface eth0:0 to the file, as well as the auto line. I'm not sure if multiple addresses without aliases are supported yet.
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• 4068[21:09:48] <jak2000> ok
• 4069[21:09:54] <jak2000> same as eth0 copy and change....
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• 4078[21:13:05] <slima> s/dpkg-buildflags/dpkg-buildpackage
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• 4081[21:13:46] <teraflops> Iproute2 method looks saner
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• 4088[21:14:02] <teraflops> Ip addr add...
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• 4115[21:27:39] <DammitJim> when I log on to my console
• 4116[21:27:50] <DammitJim> what log file would show me that I am trying to get in?
• 4117[21:27:59] <DammitJim> auth.log doesn't seem to be recording anything :(
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• 4129[21:29:52] <[TheFlash]> why is there still no debian freebasic package?
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• 4136[21:31:05] <[TheFlash]> heh, that sounded like i just barged in here with a question, but i was told previously not to ask to ask :P
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• 4144[21:32:50] <jmcnaught> [TheFlash]: you could check on replaced-url
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• 4149[21:34:44] <PadawanLearner> DammitJim: i guess syslog
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• 4151[21:34:56] <DammitJim> it's the weirdest thing PadawanLearner
• 4152[21:35:03] <DammitJim> I'm ls -ltr on /var/log
• 4153[21:35:10] <DammitJim> and no log is getting updated when I'm trying to log on
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• 4156[21:35:48] <PadawanLearner> DammitJim: are you on systemd?
• 4157[21:35:49] <jmcnaught> DammitJim: it shows up in auth.log for me, and also in "journalctl -n -u systemd-logind"
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• 4159[21:36:21] <DammitJim> the thing is... I'm trying to troubleshoot why I can't log on the console when there is no network connection
• 4160[21:36:34] <DammitJim> the server has also been joined to a domain
• 4161[21:36:49] <[TheFlash]> jmcnaught: it's on replaced-url
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• 4163[21:37:01] <markybob> then that's why. it cant authenticate with the domain if it's offline
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• 4165[21:37:08] <[TheFlash]> jmcnaught: "requested 3372 days ago"
• 4166[21:37:25] <bangfu> markybob: bingo
• 4167[21:37:27] <DammitJim> markybob, I understand that... but there is no log that is saying anything about the problem
• 4168[21:37:30] <[TheFlash]> jmcnaught: almost a decade ago
• 4169[21:37:36] <DammitJim> so, I can't troubleshoot the problem (I'm blind)
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• 4171[21:37:46] <blind> nuh uh
• 4172[21:38:00] <DammitJim> I would expect to be able to log on to the server with a local account and I can't do that
• 4173[21:38:38] <bangfu> DammitJim: can you change runlevel to a non-networked one and get in that way?
• 4174[21:38:46] <jmcnaught> [TheFlash]: the bug that it links to has some more recent activity, but it doesn't seem like anyone has been motivated enough to package it
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• 4176[21:39:02] <DammitJim> I've verified the order of authentication in /etc/nsswitch.conf
• 4177[21:39:27] <DammitJim> bangfu, that's an interesting suggestion (even though I know 5% about runlevels)
• 4178[21:39:41] <DammitJim> how do I go to a different runlevel w/o having to log on?
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• 4185[21:41:11] <bangfu> I suppose you can only do that from a boot prompt DammitJim...
• 4186[21:41:20] <DammitJim> ok
• 4187[21:41:24] <DammitJim> I'll test it
• 4188[21:41:27] <DammitJim> what do I need to do?
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• 4190[21:41:38] <DammitJim> when debian is booting, select rescue/advanced?
• 4191[21:41:45] <DammitJim> I don't even remember what that window looks like
• 4192[21:41:47] <bangfu> that would do it
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• 4194[21:42:16] <DammitJim> intersting... another clue
• 4195[21:42:31] <bangfu> or if its a VM, boot it from an ISO and mount the drive and make any changes there...
• 4196[21:42:33] <DammitJim> while logged on (I was already logged on on another tty)
• 4197[21:42:51] <DammitJim> if I try to sudo vi <filename> it takes forever to ask for the password
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• 4199[21:43:14] <DammitJim> now, I know I have users in the sudo file that belong to the domain...
• 4200[21:43:39] <bangfu> I imagine that it is attempting to auth from external before auth from local, hence time factor. ?
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• 4202[21:43:52] <DammitJim> bangfu, I'm with you on that one!
• 4203[21:43:58] <DammitJim> but I hate the fact that I'm flying blind
• 4204[21:44:07] <DammitJim> so, I don't know how to get to the problem
• 4205[21:44:21] <bangfu> DammitJim: Welcome to the Party, Pal!
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• 4207[21:44:34] <DammitJim> what's going on with you?
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• 4209[21:44:51] <bangfu> just trying to help
• 4210[21:45:55] <DammitJim> thanks! I'm trying to review my smb.conf to see if I screwed something up in there
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• 4213[21:46:43] <markybob> DammitJim: you should also check with their channel. #samba
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• 4215[21:46:58] <markybob> DammitJim: i'm sure they'd know better about domain crap
• 4216[21:47:02] <DammitJim> those guys over there were blaming debian the other day
• 4217[21:47:12] <DammitJim> but maybe I need to ask the questions better
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• 4225[21:52:01] <Bae> gameofchowns, love that nick lmao
• 4226[21:53:20] <NoCode> Is there anything I can do to get a better SOA response and interval time? Or are they just expected from the VPS I have
• 4227[21:53:21] <gameofchowns> =D
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• 4237[21:56:55] <jak2000> i am a sudoers user..... when type: ifconfig say command not found, but if type: sudo ifconfig it tell me the info, how to enable ifconfig command to user jak?
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• 4242[21:57:27] <greycat> PATH=$PATH:/usr/sbin:/sbin
• 4243[21:57:53] <markybob> jak2000: you need to use the full path. /sbin/ifconfig because /sbin isn't in the normal user path
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• 4246[21:58:33] <jak2000> ok
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• 4248[21:58:47] <jak2000> need add this: PATH=$PATH:/usr/sbin:/sbin on .profile of user jak?
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• 4250[21:59:35] <Aorious> How can I create a custom version of the default Gnome theme, in Debian Stable?
• 4251[21:59:46] <TomTomTosch> i think 'ip addr' is what the cool kids use now instead of ifconfig.
• 4252[22:00:09] <lzto> hi I just installed debian and I am trying to get it to detect both monitors, however it only appears to be detecting one and mirroring it to the other, when I do xrandr it only shows one. Does anyone have any idea what I can do?
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• 4255[22:01:37] <somiaj> lzto: first hardware setup, are the monintors on the same graphics card or on two different gaphics cards?
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• 4261[22:02:10] <lzto> somiaj, one graphics card
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• 4264[22:02:57] <somiaj> lzto: that is strange you are getting them mirrored but xrandr -q doesn't show both moninitors
• 4265[22:03:05] <somiaj> lzto: is the mirroring happening in xorg or only in the console?
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• 4270[22:04:07] <lzto> xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default
• 4271[22:04:07] <lzto> Screen 0: minimum 1920 x 1080, current 1920 x 1080, maximum 1920 x 1080
• 4272[22:04:07] <lzto> default connected 1920x1080+0+0 0mm x 0mm
• 4273[22:04:07] <lzto> 1920x1080 0.00*
• 4274[22:04:07] <lzto> is xrandr output
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• 4278[22:04:37] <lzto> somiaj, in xorg
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• 4280[22:05:22] <epsilon> lzto: if you don't mind binary blob, how about using the vendors driver?
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• 4286[22:05:47] <lzto> epsilon, like AMD's graphics driver?
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• 4290[22:06:45] <somiaj> the free drivers shoudl work with xrandr
• 4291[22:06:56] <somiaj> (actually the nonfree ones were the ones that took the longest to adopt xrandr)
• 4292[22:07:18] <somiaj> lzto: check out /var/log/Xorg.0.log and see if you can see info about how the graphics cards is detecting assigning the cards.
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• 4297[22:08:02] <epsilon> alternative try other display manager, as lxde/lxrandr
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• 4299[22:09:03] <lzto> somiaj, ah. I installed the proprietary driver. Also, not exactly sure what I am looking for in there should I post output?
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• 4329[22:22:52] <defanor> i chose to leave a modified file on upgrade, but would like to use the updated version (the one from repositories) now. reinstalling the corresponding package seems like an overkill, what would be a nice way to do it?
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• 4332[22:23:14] <somiaj> defanor: what do you mean? Is this a config file?
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• 4334[22:23:24] <defanor> somiaj: yup, a config file
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• 4337[22:24:01] <somiaj> defanor: I think apt-get --reinstall foo should be sufficent. Thre some various config options you can send it if needed to override the defaults.
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• 4339[22:24:20] <somiaj> defanor: I'm unsure, you might be able to call debconf directly, but don't know the details, I've always just reinstalled.
• 4340[22:24:26] <somiaj> !confmiss
• 4341[22:24:27] <dpkg> You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>.
• 4342[22:24:40] <defanor> somiaj: thanks
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• 4344[22:24:54] <somiaj> defanor: that might not be he option you need, but that is one of the many options you can pass dpkg when dealing with regenreating the default config file.
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• 4346[22:25:06] <epsilon> and check if you have <conf>.dist file before reinstalling
• 4347[22:25:08] <somiaj> defanor: also have you looked in /etc, sometimes a copy of the config file is siting there with another name.
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• 4351[22:25:43] <defanor> oh, there is *.dpkg-dist
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• 4353[22:26:00] <defanor> which was added just on update
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• 4355[22:26:07] <epsilon> :)
• 4356[22:26:12] <defanor> yup, will just `cp` that one. thanks
• 4357[22:26:17] <somiaj> correct, that is the behaviour if you choose to keep your personal config file
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• 4365[22:29:52] <teraflops> defanor: or diff
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• 4441[22:59:23] <ryouma> the bpo kernel doesn't boot for me and puts me in an initramfs shell. i have another drive, so i turned off the main drive in the bios. and booted to an earlier kernel. but i still booted to the first drive anyway. somehow every time any kernel updates, it overwrites something on BOTH drives to point to only one of them.
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• 4444[23:00:02] <FinalX> ryouma: you also need udev from backports
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• 4446[23:00:03] <ryouma> it's something in the initrd i guess that gets overwritten. maybe. and i'm guessing it's the upgrade script for the kernel that does this.
• 4447[23:00:23] <FinalX> ryouma: boot your old kernel and then apt-get install -t wheezy/jessie-backports udev
• 4448[23:00:37] <FinalX> we had a lot of problems with it as well, on jessie
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• 4457[23:02:29] <ryouma> FinalX: very interesting. this doesn't solve the general problem of that occurring, because it occurred before, but it could solve it this time. thank you. i am trying to make it so that i have a backup drive to boot from if anything goes wrong and this is one of the big issues. i wish i understood it in enough detail.
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• 4459[23:02:34] <ryouma> oops, yeah it's not there
• 4460[23:02:57] <ryouma> but that's ok if the default jessie kernel has stopped being unstable for me. dunno if it has.
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• 4501[23:19:09] <ryouma> i fear the initramfs shell and initram and bash so much, despite having intensely studied them and wrapped shell scripts aroudn them to fix them
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• 4517[23:21:44] <jak2000> wich command is for save the history?
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• 4522[23:22:30] <markybob> jak2000: you have to be more specific. history of what? bach? [6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~
• 4523[23:22:42] <markybob> fucking cat
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• 4526[23:23:28] <jak2000> markybob, when i close my putty, and return to my console, here not exist the last command executed, udnerstand me?
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• 4530[23:24:12] <markybob> jak2000: it should be in ~/.bash_history btw you should look into using screen or tmux
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• 4534[23:24:50] <markybob> !tell jak2000 about screen
• 4535[23:25:13] <well_laid_lawn> how does a cat paw hit [ and 6 and ~ ?
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• 4537[23:26:03] <markybob> well_laid_lawn: yeah i did it on purpose. i don't know what kind of magic his paws did
• 4538[23:26:13] <well_laid_lawn> heh
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• 4552[23:32:07] <phre4k> which is more like vanilla Arch, sid or testing?
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• 4555[23:32:58] <well_laid_lawn> arch has a [testing]
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• 4563[23:35:37] <Iridos> jak2000, put this in your .bashrc: PROMPT_COMMAND="history -a"
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• 4568[23:36:14] <Iridos> jak2000, and this: shopt -s histappend
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• 4575[23:38:01] <Iridos> jak2000, and read this: replaced-url
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• 4577[23:38:11] <phre4k> well_laid_lawn: I'm talking about Debian though
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• 4579[23:38:29] <phre4k> as in, stability. I think I should go with testing :D
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• 4581[23:38:41] <markybob> phre4k: then you're crazy
• 4582[23:38:53] <well_laid_lawn> phre4k: I was just saying... but testing would be closest to base arch
• 4583[23:38:55] <ppradhan> kvm question.. on jessie, nested is enabled but on the guest I am not seeing /sys/module/kvm_amd anything special ?
• 4584[23:39:04] <phre4k> markybob: of course, I'm against the mainstream and install GNU/Linux :D
• 4585[23:39:05] <markybob> phre4k: it's called testing for a reason. we have something called stable for a reason.
• 4586[23:39:13] <phre4k> well_laid_lawn: ty :)
• 4587[23:39:25] <well_laid_lawn> cheers
• 4588[23:39:33] <markybob> phre4k: wanting "stability" on testing is pretty hilarious
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• 4590[23:40:03] <phre4k> why can't I chroot into a backup of my debian system and do "ls" from Arch, I always get "command not found" although /bin is in $PATH inside the chroot
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• 4593[23:40:26] <phre4k> mounted proc, sys, dev, dev/pts into the chroot...
• 4594[23:40:35] <well_laid_lawn> probably didn't chroot right
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• 4597[23:40:49] <phre4k> chroot /mnt/tmp /bin/bash? :D
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• 4602[23:41:13] <phre4k> I RTFM the last 20min but I'm missing something and can't find it
• 4603[23:41:14] <well_laid_lawn> follow the chroot wiki page from arch
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• 4606[23:41:45] <phre4k> I did
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• 4608[23:42:21] <well_laid_lawn> does tab completion work ?
• 4609[23:42:26] <phre4k> yes
• 4610[23:42:39] <well_laid_lawn> you don't need ls then
• 4611[23:42:40] <markybob> phre4k: fyi, testing isn't support here per /topic. so you'll want to go to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
• 4612[23:43:07] <frikinz> ldd /bin/ls ?
• 4613[23:43:49] <phre4k> markybob: but isn't my question independent of the variant atm?
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• 4615[23:44:27] <phre4k> frikinz: replaced-url
• 4616[23:45:06] <phre4k> (what does that tell me?)
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• 4619[23:45:45] <phre4k> ah, invoked with /bin/ls it works, but why doesn't it when only typing "ls" when it's in $PATH?
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• 4621[23:46:43] <phre4k> is there a manual install guide for Debian like the Beginner's Guide for Arch? Without using the installer?
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• 4627[23:48:33] <Iridos> phre4k, because you copied without preserving permissions?
• 4628[23:48:44] <jmcnaught> phre4k: appendix D.3 of the debian install manual might be what you're looking for
• 4629[23:48:54] <phre4k> or can I somehow skip partitioning and mount a cryptfs partition and install systemd-boot instead of using what the installer gives me? Sorry if these questions seem to have obvious answers, I'm not really 100% there right now
• 4630[23:49:00] <phre4k> Iridos: rsync -a
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• 4632[23:49:15] <Iridos> nvm if /bin/ls executes
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• 4634[23:49:58] <phre4k> jmcnaught: thank you! I'll try that. Can I debootstrap over an existing system?
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• 4640[23:50:47] <jmcnaught> phre4k: that's what this part of the install manual is about, or at least using debootstrap from an existing system (not over one)
• 4641[23:51:13] <phre4k> the background: I copied root and home to a backup folder but forgot there is /boot, too. I made some custom dm-crypt partitions (layout here: replaced-url
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• 4643[23:53:18] <phre4k> I can't seem to find a tutorial for systemd-boot (aka gummiboot) and Kernel image/initrd creation for debian. Is there no mkinitcpio?
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• 4654[23:55:36] <jmcnaught> phre4k: there's a mkinitramfs lowlevel too that is used by update-initramfs (both in the initramfs-tools package)
• 4655[23:56:03] <Iridos> phre4k, and what's PATH?
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• 4657[23:56:25] <phre4k> Iridos: /home/phre4k/.gem/ruby/2.3.0/bin:/usr/lib/hardening-wrapper/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/lib/jvm/default/bin:/usr/bin/site_perl:/usr/bin/vendor_perl:/usr/bin/core_perl
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• 4659[23:56:57] <Iridos> phre4k, and where in that do you see :/bin: ?
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• 4663[23:57:47] <phre4k> omg
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• 4666[23:58:05] <phre4k> I am so sorry. source /etc/profile && source ~/.bashrc helped a lot
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