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• 7[00:02:57] <trek00> teclo-: do you have a small partition?
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• 28[00:10:44] <teclo-> trek00, jhutchins_wk yes that seems to be th eissue
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• 32[00:11:49] <teclo-> the information on ctrl-alt-f4 is quit useful
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• 38[00:13:05] <^7heo> ohai
• 39[00:13:22] <^7heo> I come to report a bug in zsh, that has been fixed upstream.
• 40[00:13:50] <somiaj> !reportbug
• 41[00:13:50] <dpkg> reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. See replaced-url
• 42[00:13:52] <^7heo> it's a functionality bug, is it likely that Axel Beckert would backport the fix in the older packages?
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• 44[00:14:27] <somiaj> depends on the severty of the bug, usually only rc-bugs are considered and even then only some are.
• 45[00:14:29] <^7heo> if not, I'll simply ask someone at ubuntu to fix it, since they backport functionality bugs.
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• 47[00:14:41] <^7heo> somiaj: this is a completion bug.
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• 49[00:14:50] <^7heo> somiaj: only the command "git add" fails to complete correctly.
• 50[00:15:00] <^7heo> fix is here: replaced-url
• 51[00:15:20] <somiaj> ^7heo: I doubt that will be fixed in the package, but wouldn't it be easy to fix locally?
• 52[00:15:36] <^7heo> I'm done with the local fix for about 1h
• 53[00:15:40] <somiaj> or in zsh does it take more than edditing the tab-completion thing in /etc
• 54[00:15:49] <^7heo> I'm trying to get it in the packages so as not to have to bruteforce the diff on my files at every boot.
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• 56[00:15:56] <^7heo> or next update is going to nuke my file.
• 57[00:15:59] <somiaj> make sure you report the bug to the debian bts, but I doubt it will be backported to stable.
• 58[00:16:11] <somiaj> ^7heo: what file did you have to edit to make it work?
• 59[00:16:20] <^7heo> /usr/share/zsh/functions/Completion/Unix/_git
• 60[00:16:41] <^7heo> it's a one line edit, to add a default to a shell substitution
• 61[00:16:47] <^7heo> literally 4 characters.
• 62[00:16:52] <somiaj> ^7heo: does zsh allow you to put a file in /etc that overrides that file?
• 63[00:16:53] <^7heo> 3, sorry/
• 64[00:17:02] <^7heo> not as far as I am aware.
• 65[00:17:15] <somiaj> ^7heo: i.e. would haveing /etc/zsh/functions/Completion/Unix/_git override the system one
• 66[00:17:24] <^7heo> I could replace the *entire* function in my .zshrc I guess.
• 67[00:17:25] <somiaj> hmm, I don't know zsh but sometimes this works, check the manpage
• 68[00:17:39] <^7heo> but that's a bit overkill.
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• 71[00:18:35] <somiaj> ^7heo: note zsh will probably get very little updates in stable, so you should be fine.
• 72[00:18:43] <somiaj> ,v zsh
• 73[00:18:44] <judd> Package: zsh on amd64 -- jessie: 5.0.7-5+b1; stretch: 5.3.1-4+b3; buster: 5.7.1-1; bullseye: 5.7.1-1+b1; sid: 5.7.1-1+b1
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• 76[00:19:14] <trek00> ^7heo: you could even mark zsh to not begin upgraded
• 77[00:19:20] <somiaj> ^7heo: note in stretch zsh got 3 updates +b1, +b2, and +b3, which are updates due to secuirty holes in libaries that it depends on.
• 78[00:19:35] <^7heo> right
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• 81[00:19:44] <somiaj> so I wouldn't worry to much about this, just be prepared to fix it if this happens (Which is very unliekly)
• 82[00:20:11] <^7heo> hmm
• 83[00:20:24] <^7heo> or I could simply give the ubuntu guys the patch, since they already have a diff for that package
• 84[00:20:32] <^7heo> and hope they'd backport it.
• 85[00:20:34] <trek00> ^7heo: anyway you could make a bug report and ask if it can be included in the next point release of stable
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• 87[00:20:56] <^7heo> trek00: sure, I could, but it's lots of work, and apparently the outcome is likely to be negative.
• 88[00:21:02] <^7heo> so, thanks :)
• 89[00:21:06] <somiaj> if you provide a patch it might help, but yea, it will depend on the matainer if they think it is worth including in stable or not.
• 90[00:21:31] <somiaj> it isn't hard to file a bug, I would just do it, only way to ensure debian devs know about it and have a chance of being backported.
• 91[00:21:32] <^7heo> it's the same maintainer as the ubuntu one, so I'm guessing he'll decide to take the fix upstream himself ;)
• 92[00:21:59] <^7heo> somiaj: I can't use the binary and I find the web interface difficult. If only I could just write a mail to a ML, I'd do that.
• 93[00:22:00] <somiaj> the biggest thing here is debian policy, stable is a frozen system, not a bug free system.
• 94[00:22:08] <^7heo> sure.
• 95[00:22:11] <^7heo> I'
• 96[00:22:13] <^7heo> oops
• 97[00:22:24] <somiaj> ^7heo: you can, the bts is just a mailing list, just compase a correctly configured email. Why can't you use reportbug?
• 98[00:22:32] <^7heo> I'll deal with the ubuntu side of things and since the maintainer is one single person, it should bleed over if it makes sense.
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• 100[00:22:38] <somiaj> I personally use reportbug to generate the bugreport, then save it to a file, and copy/paste it into an email and send it.
• 101[00:22:58] <somiaj> but just sending an email is sufficent.
• 102[00:22:58] <^7heo> somiaj: I can't use reportbug because the mint I'm running has almost 0 byte free.
• 103[00:23:05] <^7heo> talk about an old SSD
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• 106[00:24:20] <^7heo> somiaj: if you want to report the bug, the info is all in replaced-url
• 107[00:24:28] <^7heo> I'll get back to work
• 108[00:24:31] <^7heo> thanks for the help guys :)
• 109[00:24:34] <^7heo> o/
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• 144[00:55:38] <teclo-> ok my problem solved, a classic case of PEBKAC :)
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• 148[00:56:28] <trek00> :)
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• 151[00:57:02] <teclo-> this time it's my fault... I like to have /var as a separate partition, and I created a VM with 200M of /var (since for that VM I've got only 421 packages installed) I t hought 200M would be enough
• 152[00:57:14] <teclo-> but for the base install actually 200M in /var isn't enough
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• 154[00:57:21] <teclo-> my fault, sorry :)
• 155[00:58:22] <trek00> teclo-: we are here to help, no need to sorry :)
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• 159[00:59:40] <teclo-> trek00: ok :)
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• 161[01:00:29] <teclo-> well I always double-check before asking on IRC you know... I'm not someone who's gonna say "Hey your stuff doesn't work" when it's *my* fault :)
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• 215[01:39:20] <trek00> novydev: good morning!
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• 217[01:39:43] <dvs> night!
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• 219[01:39:54] <novydev> GM & GN Where can I find a configuration file so I can change the display resolution?
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• 221[01:40:41] <trek00> novydev: you can change on-the-fly with the xrandr command, but if you need this to be persistent, you need to create the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file
• 222[01:41:08] <novydev> Oooh yeah! I forgot about xrandr srry but thanks!
• 223[01:41:49] <novydev> It's night here so I'mma fix my problemo and then goto sleep XD
• 224[01:41:58] <novydev> Bye!
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• 300[02:25:55] <jaggz> is there a way to search the non-free repo?
• 301[02:26:13] <jaggz> (I'm looking for baudline which I thought used to be free but apparently it's not.. replaced-url
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• 337[02:51:44] <Gm4n> I'm running Debian in a xen guest. How can I install the appropriate kernel modules to match the kernel/initrd provided by the (also debian) host?
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• 341[02:53:03] <tiox> equivs; "Use of uninitialized value $dh{"FIRSTPACKAGE"} in string eq at /usr/bin/dh_install line 166."
• 342[02:53:10] <tiox> What, tf?
• 343[02:53:26] <trek00> jaggz: use packages.debian.org it's for non-free too
• 344[02:53:34] <tiox> I am trying to build an i386 package on an amd64 system.
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• 347[02:55:06] <tiox> The amd64 version I buit by accident installs without issue, the control for each arch of the software I am trying to fake-install is _practically identical_ exept when I set arch to i386 and try to build the dummy pkg equivs spits out a couple of errors and lies about the package being built.
• 348[02:55:20] <tiox> Not installs without issue, but rather buiilds without issue.
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• 351[02:56:33] <trek00> Gm4n: correct me if i'm wrong, but if you install a kernel you don't need to match host version
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• 354[02:57:54] <trek00> tiox: do you need i386 version or amd64 would be ok if install?
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• 356[02:58:20] <jaggz> trek00, thanks. :) I guess it's not in our repos
• 357[02:58:36] <tiox> I want to build an i386 fake pkg because I cannot install it otherwise _but_ the software I am trying to install shouldn't affect anything if I installed it conventionally.
• 358[02:58:37] <Gm4n> trek00: correct, but (at least the way my xen is set up) I need the kernel and initrd (ramdisk) image to come from the host
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• 361[02:59:28] <trek00> Gm4n: you can build a kernel package with the same version
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• 363[03:00:10] <trek00> Gm4n: just donwload the official kernel tarball of correct version and build it (it can create a debian package for you)
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• 366[03:01:10] <Gm4n> trek00: I think my failure is that I uninstalled the old kernel version from the host that the guest had modules for. I'm thinking to just copy over the whole modules directory
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• 368[03:01:50] <trek00> tiox: i think building a fake i386 package will get you many issues
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• 372[03:05:38] <trek00> Gm4n: may be you can reinstall the old kernel
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• 375[03:06:11] <Gm4n> trek00: "Package linux-image-4.9.0-4-amd64 is not available, but is referred to by another package.". But my copied modules directory seems to work :)
• 376[03:06:38] <trek00> Gm4n: be warned, you are doing a !frankendebian
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• 378[03:06:47] <trek00> !frankendebian
• 379[03:06:47] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall>
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• 382[03:07:57] <Gm4n> trek00: Am I incorrectly understanding that the debootstrap setup method of a debian xen guest (from a debian host) does the same thing?
• 383[03:08:15] <mason> Gm4n: debootstrap gives you something purely Debian
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• 385[03:09:10] <Gm4n> mason: Understood. But I'm mixing debian and debian of the same exact kernel version on the same hardware.
• 386[03:09:12] <mason> Gm4n: Reading scrollback, in general there's no reason for your domUs to have to match your dom0.
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• 388[03:09:16] <trek00> Gm4n: the problem is when you start copying things without a proper installation, it may ends up in unmanageable distribution
• 389[03:10:10] <mason> trek00: Frankendebian generally refers to non-Debian repositories, not this sort of thing. But this kind of thing can certainly become a mess.
• 390[03:10:12] <Gm4n> mason: agreed. I shouldn't have purged the old kernel from the dom0, that was my error. But the old kernel package wouldn't install on dom0, and the domU didn't have kernel modules for anything except the originally installed version
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• 392[03:10:40] <trek00> mason: if was trying to find a good "guide" to tell about this
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• 394[03:11:05] <trek00> i was
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• 396[03:11:51] <Gm4n> trek00: I totally agree. I think that this copy is how the initial setup happens in this case, though. So while I shouldn't have migrated kernel versions at all (lesson learned!!), wasn't this the proper way to do it?
• 397[03:11:53] <mason> Gm4n: I'm somewhat confused whether you're trying to modify your dom0 or your domU, or both, but you should treat them as separate systems.
• 398[03:12:39] <mason> Gm4n: From where you are, regardless of which one you want to repair, I'd consider booting from rescue media, chrooting in, and installing the correct packages.
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• 402[03:13:05] <mason> Gm4n: Alternately, back up your data, reinstall, and don't do that again. Depends on your level of comfort.
• 403[03:14:10] <Gm4n> mason: easy enough, I was mounting the domU disk to do this. And I'm happy to install a package if I can figure out which one that is.
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• 405[03:14:40] <Gm4n> I just want the kernel modules for 4.9.0-11. But there's no package providing the 4.9.0-4 modules that I already had. Meaning they were copied via the debootstrap setup.
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• 407[03:15:04] <mason> Gm4n: linux-image-amd64 is generally a good bet.
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• 410[03:15:46] <mason> And update-initramfs, and update-grub
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• 412[03:17:05] <Gm4n> Ok. None of those package are currently installed on this domU (or another one that hasn't been messed up), though. So long as that won't cause a headache going forward.
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• 414[03:17:34] <mason> Gm4n: dpkg -l | grep image
• 415[03:17:53] <mason> Gm4n: In general, it's a good idea to install the right kernel metapackage so you get updates.
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• 417[03:18:00] <mason> brb
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• 420[03:18:41] <Gm4n> mason: zero results on franken and regular domU. They aren't needed when kernel image and initrd are handed over from the dom0.
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• 422[03:19:08] <trek00> Gm4n: it is booting via pxe?
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• 425[03:21:05] <Gm4n> trek00: no, definitely not. The kernel and initrd are mapped into memory by the dom0 somehow (paravirtualization)
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• 427[03:24:09] <mason> Gm4n: I ran Xen for years on Debian and the guests always supplied their own kernels.
• 428[03:24:32] <mason> Gm4n: I'd have to struggle a bit to figure out how to have them not be self-hosting.
• 429[03:25:05] <Gm4n> This seems to be default with xen-create-image (provided by the new xl toolstack). The configs generated are very plain, too.
• 430[03:25:22] <mason> I last mucked with it on xm.
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• 438[03:31:23] <Gm4n> Anyway, thank you trek00 and mason! I'm up and running again, and will be aware of possible issues going forward due to a maybe-franken-system. (I still believe this is now matching what I would get from a fresh system install, but will keep the uncertainty for any future issues and reinstall if needed)
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• 440[03:32:05] <trek00> Gm4n: hope you can reboot your guest
• 441[03:32:25] <Gm4n> Yep, it's rebooting just fine. I copied in the modules when it was off.
• 442[03:32:32] <trek00> Gm4n: well it's ok!
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• 444[03:32:51] <mason> Gm4n: Might be worth reinstalling packages anyway so they're properly registered.
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• 446[03:33:02] <Gm4n> mason absolutely :)
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• 490[04:18:56] <frickenate> I believe I have 3 ways to script which version of an apt package would be installed with `apt-get install -y "$pkg"`. a) apt-cache madison "$pkg" | head -n 1 | awk '{print $3}'; b) apt-cache show --no-all-versions "$pkg" | grep ^Version: | awk '{print $2}'; c) apt-cache policy "$pkg" | grep -E '^\s+Candidate:' | awk '{print $2}'; I feel like they'd all be accurate, and that I've listed them in order of preference.
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• 497[04:23:55] <trek00> frickenate: i would prefere option a
• 498[04:24:07] <frickenate> (To clarify: I only care about which version *would* be installed via a fresh apt-get install of given package; completely ignore any currently installed/held-back/configuration-files-present-only installs.)
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• 503[04:25:25] <frickenate> mmm, that was my preference as well. `man apt-cache` doesn't explain `madison` precisely, but it does seem to output versions in descending order.
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• 505[04:27:39] <trek00> frickenate: for me, to be sure, i use apt install --dry-run package to get the version that would be installed, but it is not so good to parse
• 506[04:27:48] <frickenate> The reason I like option 'b' is the man page is very explicit: "If --no-all-versions is specified, only the candidate version will be displayed (the one which would be selected for installation). This option is only applicable to the show command."; whereas I'm not as confident that apt-cache madison's first output line is guaranteed to be the installation candidate.
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• 509[04:29:31] <trek00> frickenate: i don't have multiple versions of a package here to test
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• 515[04:33:46] <frickenate> Aha, I just remember how I know about `apt-cache madison`. Officially recommended way to grep the latest minor version of a major version of docker-ce by Docker docs. If they rely on this in that way, then so shall I for my purposes.
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• 578[05:45:32] <yans> Hello.
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• 581[05:46:09] <dvs> io
• 582[05:46:20] <frickenate> "Hello." is friendly, but you should ask your question. :)
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• 607[06:07:14] <BazookaTooth> frickenate: what if they just like saying hello?
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• 627[06:29:49] <klys> how to get network-manager to ignore enp0s25 when there is no gnome?
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• 629[06:30:10] <klys> because it keeps removing my ip address
• 630[06:30:30] <klys> I have a terminal emulator I'd like to do this with
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• 637[06:34:08] <trek00> klys: i think there is command line interface for network-manager, but is this your only interface and it is configured statically?
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• 642[06:36:36] <klys> trek00, I'm trying to configure it statically, yes. and this is not my only interface, I have wifi going via network-manager.
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• 645[06:38:23] <trek00> ah sorry, i don't know network-manager (i though you can disable it)
• 646[06:38:44] <klys> I am reading `man nmcli'
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• 650[06:43:29] <klys> it appears the command I needed was: nmcli device set enp0s25 autoconnect no managed no
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• 678[07:00:22] <oxek> are there any reports of newest systemd in debian stable breaking wifi?
• 679[07:00:37] <oxek> I did apt update, it pulled new systemd, restarted and now my wifi does not work
• 680[07:00:51] <oxek> during boot it did the systemd waiting for wlan0 and it timed out
• 681[07:02:35] <trek00> oxek: i really don't know, but if you can't find a solution, as last chance, you should be able to install the old version of systemd
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• 684[07:02:57] <oxek> trek00: that sounds like it has a high chance of breaking my system even more
• 685[07:03:25] <trek00> oxek: may be, i think it's better to wait for someone using systemd
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• 689[07:05:42] <chieta> is it possible to set an apps always to be appeared on desktop 1 and desktop 2 ... then it must be possible to kill specific apps that only appear on desktop 1 and 2?
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• 694[07:11:15] <trek00> chieta: you should use wmctrl to start the app, save the pid somewhere and then you can kill that pid
• 695[07:13:46] <oxek> "A start job is running for /sys/subsystem/net/devices/wlan0 (... / 1min 30s)" is shown during boot
• 696[07:13:48] <oxek> and it times out
• 697[07:13:53] <oxek> and I have no network
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• 699[07:14:00] <oxek> can't reinstall systemd without network
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• 706[07:15:39] <trek00> oxek: may be you can find an error message in the logs about why wlan is not up
• 707[07:15:58] <oxek> nothing strange in dmesg
• 708[07:16:02] <oxek> what other logs?
• 709[07:16:13] <chieta> noted trek00
• 710[07:16:51] <trek00> oxek: may be journalctl? (i don't use systemd sorry)
• 711[07:18:51] <trek00> chieta: reading the wmctrl man page you could also close a window with the -c option
• 712[07:20:05] <trek00> oxek: have you tried to: ifdown wlan0; ifup wlan0
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• 714[07:22:14] <oxek> found the issue
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• 716[07:22:45] <oxek> this no longer works for some reason:
• 717[07:23:15] <oxek> I had in /etc/network/interfaces, rename wlx00112233445566=wlan0
• 718[07:23:27] <oxek> I got rid of this rename line
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• 720[07:23:41] <oxek> and renamed all the other lines to the actual device wlx...
• 721[07:23:49] <oxek> for some reason, the latest systemd breaks this
• 722[07:24:06] <oxek> somebody should put a note somewhere
• 723[07:25:02] <trek00> oxek: you could fill a bug report to tell about this
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• 875[08:45:04] <BoyDoy> any link for install packet tracer on debian?
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• 878[08:47:14] <Mathisen> BoyDoy, what problem do you have with the installation.
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• 880[08:48:12] <BoyDoy> i want to install a packet tracer to my debian 9
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• 882[08:48:30] <BoyDoy> they have a link i can follow
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• 886[08:49:38] <Mathisen> it is not harder then to download and run the install
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• 889[08:50:21] <Fox> BoyDoy: what is a "packet tracer" in your mind ?
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• 892[08:50:51] <BoyDoy> i try to search the latest is 7.2.1
• 893[08:50:59] * Mathisen assumes he is talking about replaced-url
• 894[08:51:36] <Fox> I didn't even know about that
• 895[08:52:02] <BoyDoy> itry to install but i have an error to my packet tracer "Failed to execute child process PacketTracer7" (no such file or Directory)
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• 901[08:52:38] <veek> linux-image-4.19.0-6-amd64_4.19.67-2+deb10u1_amd64.deb what's the deb10u1 part called? as per dpkg-query ${Package}_${Version}${Filename}${Tag}_${Architecture}
• 902[08:52:49] <BenNZ> BoyDoy: sounds like you need to add the executable to your $PATH or run it from the directory its in
• 903[08:52:59] <trek00> veek: it's part of the version
• 904[08:53:29] <BoyDoy> i try to run using root but still the same error
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• 906[08:53:34] <veek> hmm but dpkg-query -f '${Package}_${Version}${Filename}_${Architecture}\n' -W>foopkg doesn't list it
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• 909[08:55:48] <veek> ls /mnt/sda1/apt/apt-fast/|grep qt5-defaul --> qt5-default_5.11.3+dfsg1-1+deb10u1_amd64.deb but cat foopkg |grep qt5-default --> qt5-default_5.11.3+dfsg1-1_amd64
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• 911[08:56:31] <veek> i'm trying to figure out if apt-get is downloading packages that are already installed on my system
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• 915[08:57:55] <trek00> veek: why it would to do so?
• 916[08:58:02] <Mathisen> veek, why would it do that. besides updates/security patches and so on
• 917[08:58:40] <veek> yep hence the Q.. it's possibly not but i'd like to check
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• 923[08:59:17] <veek> what dpkg-query would fit the bill
• 924[08:59:54] <veek> s/dpkg-query/dpkg query field
• 925[09:00:11] <trek00> BoyDoy: try two things: check if PacketTracer7 is executable with ls -l and then try ldd /path/to/PacketTracer7 to check if you have all required libraries installed
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• 929[09:01:39] <Mathisen> veek, so your goal is to see what apt has installed ?
• 930[09:01:47] <veek> yep
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• 932[09:02:00] <veek> exactly what file was installed by apt
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• 934[09:02:27] <Mathisen> cat /var/log/apt/history.log | grep foobar
• 935[09:03:07] <veek> nope :( no logs it's a ro USB stick
• 936[09:03:13] <Mathisen> oh
• 937[09:03:14] <trek00> veek: 5.11.3+dfsg1-1+deb10u1 means version 5.11.3 of that package, some debian guidelines correction (dfsg1-1) and security update (deb10u1)
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• 939[09:03:38] <trek00> veek: furthermore deb10u1 means debian version 10 (buster) update 1
• 940[09:03:50] <veek> trek00: thanks
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• 1026[10:04:09] <boktan> hi i did install this tool replaced-url
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• 1035[10:07:09] <nic0x819> Have you gone to replaced-url
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• 1042[10:11:20] <oxek> does the package iw now fully replace the functionality of the package wireless-tools?
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• 1078[10:40:37] <oxek> which package provides `pidof`?
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• 1080[10:40:54] <trek00> oxek: you can search with dpkg -S pidof
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• 1084[10:41:35] <oxek> trek00: awesome, thanks!
• 1085[10:41:51] <trek00> oxek: if you don't have it installed, you can search on packages.debian.org anyway it is sysvinit-utils
• 1086[10:42:08] <trek00> :)
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• 1089[10:43:03] <oxek> hmm, are sysvinit-utils related to the predecessor of systemd, and hence will be replaced at some point?
• 1090[10:43:18] <peterrooney> dpkg: apt-file
• 1091[10:43:18] <dpkg> apt-file is a utility used to find which package owns a given file - or list files in a package - even if it is not installed: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to see a list of packages containing filename (can also use a regular expression; see man apt-file). You can also search online, ask me about <pdo>. See also <judd-file>, <auto-apt>, <dlocate>.
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• 1093[10:43:24] <peterrooney> oxek: ^
• 1094[10:44:32] <trek00> oxek: it depends, pidof does not have a replacement as far i know
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• 1108[10:50:54] <k_sze> What command can I use to dump info about an active WiFi connection? e.g. 11n or 11ac, 2.4 GHz or 5 GHz, transmit rate, transmit power, 80 MHz or 160 MHz band, channel, signal-to-noise ratio
• 1109[10:51:21] <trek00> k_sze: iwconfig
• 1110[10:51:22] <oxek> k_sze: sudo iw list
• 1111[10:51:32] <oxek> iwconfig is deprecated in favor of iw
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• 1114[10:52:01] <oxek> iwconfig will also no longer be installed by default at some point
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• 1116[10:52:17] <trek00> oxek: right
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• 1119[10:53:06] <k_sze> iw list seems to show the *capabilities*, not what is currently in effect in an active connection?
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• 1125[10:54:43] <trek00> k_sze: try iw dev wlan0 link or check replaced-url
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• 1128[10:56:52] <k_sze> ah, much better
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• 1130[10:57:38] <k_sze> still doesn't show 11n or 11ac though (it's operating in 5GHz range now, but I know that later iterations of 11n also support 5GHz).
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• 1132[10:58:26] <trek00> k_sze: what is the reported bitrate?
• 1133[10:58:27] <k_sze> I *suppose* the VHT-MCS gives it away
• 1134[10:58:52] <k_sze> I *think* VHT-MCS is only available since 11ac?
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• 1136[10:59:10] <k_sze> 433.3 MBits/
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• 1139[11:00:57] <trek00> k_sze: well it should be ac
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• 1148[11:02:50] <k_sze> Thanks!
• 1149[11:02:58] <trek00> :)
• 1150[11:03:12] <trek00> k_sze: check also replaced-url
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• 1178[11:20:14] <r3m1> hello
• 1179[11:20:56] <trek00> hi
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• 1183[11:22:06] <r3m1> I have the following use case: on an embedded server a cgi script is called that "touches" file foo in /tmp folder (tmp/foo) or remove the file according to call parameter. An external program in the same computer checks the presence of /tmp/foo
• 1184[11:22:21] <r3m1> in previous versions of debian this worked fined
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• 1187[11:23:06] <r3m1> now when my cgi-script is invoked, the foo is actually in a folder /tmp/systemd-private-9f2771e96b4c463399be7ac9d89fd3c9-apache2.service-NQoRIH/tmp/foo
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• 1189[11:23:31] <r3m1> and my external program, (running as root on startup) does not see this file anymore
• 1190[11:23:40] <trek00> r3m1: may be apache service file has directive privatetmp=yes
• 1191[11:24:58] <r3m1> trek00: it does, indeed !
• 1192[11:25:29] <trek00> r3m1: i remember there is a directive to join a service into another private tmp
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• 1195[11:26:59] <trek00> r3m1: JoinsNamespaceOf, check man systemd.unit
• 1196[11:27:44] <r3m1> I'd rather prevent apache to use privatetmp. Is the only way to edit apache2.service ?
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• 1202[11:29:17] <trek00> r3m1: i don't know exactly, i don't use systemd
• 1203[11:29:37] <trek00> r3m1: may be you can create an override unit in /etc/systemd but i don't really know
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• 1206[11:31:24] <r3m1> trek00: alright, thanks anyway that was very helpful
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• 1209[11:32:31] <trek00> r3m1: if you want to remove the privatetmp, check this to create an override replaced-url
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• 1215[11:41:02] <r3m1> oh very interesting, thanks again trek00
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• 1284[12:22:59] <oxek> which graphics card is better supported under debian? FUJITSU nVidia Quadro P620 or ASUS GeForce GT 1030-2G-BRK
• 1285[12:23:13] <oxek> I am only interested in 4K monitor support, will not play games
• 1286[12:23:26] <oxek> just photography, image editing, etc.
• 1287[12:23:33] <trek00> oxek: nvidia has only closed source drivers
• 1288[12:23:46] <oxek> trek00: no nuveau?
• 1289[12:23:57] <trek00> oxek: nouveau is still experimental
• 1290[12:24:22] <trek00> oxek: it does not power management, excecpt for maxwell i think
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• 1294[12:25:21] <trek00> oxek: if you don't need 3d, i think you could do 4k even with an integrated graphic
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• 1296[12:25:38] <oxek> trek00: integrated card does not have the correct output port
• 1297[12:25:48] <oxek> integrated card just has hdmi
• 1298[12:25:52] <oxek> and some old version of it
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• 1303[12:27:17] <oxek> are the nvidia drivers a pain to get into debian? Should I do ubuntu instead for this specific usecase?
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• 1305[12:27:27] <trek00> oxek: as far i know, ryzen apu with display port supports 4k
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• 1308[12:28:59] <trek00> oxek: they are not a pain on debian, there is an installer, but closed source drivers have always issues, for ex. sometimes you can't use them with the latest kernel or stability problems or new features
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• 1310[12:29:32] <oxek> well it's not like debian runs the latest kernel
• 1311[12:29:38] <trek00> oxek: for example wayland was not usable with nvidia in past
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• 1313[12:30:03] <oxek> would an AMD graphics card be a better fit then?
• 1314[12:30:11] <oxek> I am not all set on nvidia
• 1315[12:30:16] <trek00> oxek: if these are non-issue for you, nvidia is ok, but if you don't need 3d, i would not spend more than 50$
• 1316[12:30:27] <oxek> just found those two cards for decent price, promising 4K support over displayport
• 1317[12:30:50] <oxek> hmm
• 1318[12:31:02] <oxek> those cards are 200$+
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• 1320[12:33:12] <trek00> oxek: integrated graphics are powerful today, may be it is worth to do a little research (compatibility with your output, benchmarks on your apps, videos to check how it runs)
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• 1325[12:37:23] <trek00> oxek: may be this can help you to get a better idea replaced-url
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• 1337[12:48:18] <oxek> trek00: unfortunately this is not a new build. It's a new monitor for an older machine.
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• 1342[12:49:50] <trek00> oxek: well, i would buy the cheapest card with display port and double check that it runs 4k@60hz on linux
• 1343[12:50:05] <Guest19962> hey
• 1344[12:50:20] <annadane> hi
• 1345[12:50:25] <trek00> oxek: if it is linux only, i would buy an amd card because of opensource drivers
• 1346[12:50:58] <oxek> the machine is currently windows 7, but given support ending soon, I will move it to linux
• 1347[12:51:49] <trek00> oxek: anyway check for 4k@60hz, some cards/drivers/cables/ports runs only at 30hz (too slow)
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• 1349[12:53:59] <oxek> trek00: thanks for all the advice, looks like I'll have to do a lot more research
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• 1352[12:54:49] <trek00> :)
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• 1357[12:57:27] <oxek> another topic - does it make any sense to get youtube-dl from debian's repos when it is a program that needs frequent updates to even work at all with youtube?
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• 1360[12:58:15] <annadane> oxek, i use python3-venv for that
• 1361[12:58:23] <annadane> and have a weekly cronjob
• 1362[12:58:27] <annadane> to update
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• 1368[13:03:25] <oxek> annadane: how do you update? pull sources and compile?
• 1369[13:03:48] <oxek> because I looked the the homepage, and youtube-dl can self update if in a directory where it has permissions to do so
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• 1373[13:05:58] <annadane> so i create the virtualenv by python3 -m venv /usr/local/youtube-dl, source /usr/local/youtube-dl/bin/activate, pip install youtube-dl - and then ln -s /usr/local/youtube-dl/bin/youtube-dl /usr/local/bin, and then the thing i have in my cron file to update it is 0 0 * * 6 /usr/local/youtube-dl/bin/pip install --upgrade youtube-dl
• 1374[13:07:14] <annadane> oxek ^
• 1375[13:07:26] <annadane> i wasn't aware it can self update
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• 1379[13:10:29] <annadane> replaced-url
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• 1384[13:11:37] <martin__> Hello, I have some servers running deb8 so I thought it was time to take care of it and upgrade. How do you suggest I do this? As it seems most repos for deb8 returns 404 these days.
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• 1394[13:17:08] <martin__> oh I can use the archive sources?
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• 1401[13:20:09] <trek00> martin__: do you want upgrade to debian 10 buster or simply update to latest debian 8?
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• 1418[13:25:24] <oxek> annadane: `youtube-dl -U` works for me
• 1419[13:25:48] <oxek> I run it whenever youtube.com breaks
• 1420[13:26:00] <annadane> probably but it's not a bad idea to use that syntax i guess because not everything is going to be in your $PATH
• 1421[13:26:02] <wxb> Do I have to reboot after apt install dist-upgrade?
• 1422[13:26:09] <annadane> wxb, depends on what got updated
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• 1425[13:26:29] <wxb> annadane, Okay. I'll reboot just in case.
• 1426[13:26:37] <annadane> for firmware and kernels the answer is yes. you can use the needrestart package to inform you of what needs restarts
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• 1428[13:27:23] <oxek> "Unfortunately, there is nothing we youtube-dl developers can do if your distribution serves a really outdated version. You can (and should) complain to your distribution in their bugtracker or support forum."
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• 1430[13:27:27] <oxek> can I complain here? :)
• 1431[13:28:10] <annadane> you can though i doubt the youtube-dl maintainer(s) are here. debian stable can have issues like this, i don't think they would ever change to updating things like that
• 1432[13:28:37] <annadane> bitch at youtube and other sites for changing their APIs all the time
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• 1435[13:30:33] <oxek> some apps should get special treatment
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• 1437[13:31:11] <oxek> though I suppose youtube-dl could be split into the executable, and then a database of regex for the webpages
• 1438[13:31:20] <annadane> i'm not sure where you could direct your feedback, maybe someone else does
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• 1440[13:31:52] <annadane> Stable tends to be Stable for a reason and a base to build on, not that you must use only the package managr
• 1441[13:31:55] <annadane> manager
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• 1443[13:32:30] <wxb> Does 10.1 still get security updates?
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• 1445[13:33:34] <annadane> if you're still on 10.1 you should update to 10.2
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• 1447[13:33:56] <wxb> annadane, Why?
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• 1449[13:34:09] <annadane> because there are security fixes
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• 1451[13:34:14] <annadane> among other reasons
• 1452[13:34:39] <oxek> it's a meaningless point release - it is just a refresh of the CD/DVD
• 1453[13:34:44] <wxb> So in those few days since the 10.2 release my systems my have been vulnerable?
• 1454[13:34:49] <oxek> if you do apt upgrade, you'll get to 10.2 from 10.1
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• 1457[13:35:01] <annadane> in theory, yes
• 1458[13:35:05] <martin__> trek00: think it would be good to jump step to version 8. But I think I might just as well create a new fresh machine and migrate the stuff insteadd.
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• 1463[13:35:35] <wxb> annadane, That's terrible - so if one does not closely follow the point release and upgrade immediately there is security risk!?
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• 1465[13:35:57] <oxek> wxb: as long as you do apt upgrade frequently enough, you're fine
• 1466[13:36:01] <oxek> nothing special is needed
• 1467[13:36:15] <oxek> it's not a real point release like other software
• 1468[13:36:18] <annadane> well, i can't speak to every package. but the thing about point releases is their main utility is for people running debian offline, so they can get cumulative updates. if you've been keeping track of security updates then it's a different story
• 1469[13:36:48] <annadane> if you haven't upgraded anything since 10.1 was released then yeah you'd be vulnerable, to greater or lesser degrees. some stuff is easier to exploit than others, or harder
• 1470[13:37:02] <annadane> a lot of these CVEs, the danger occurs in a very niche situation
• 1471[13:37:07] <wxb> oxek, But if I keep my 10.1 machine online (unattnede upgrades enabled) then I don't really need to upgrade to 10.2...
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• 1473[13:37:14] <annadane> right
• 1474[13:37:27] <annadane> you can always run an apt update and see if there's anything you're missing
• 1475[13:37:31] <oxek> wxb: if you keep it online, with unattended ugrades enabled, then you are already on 10.2
• 1476[13:37:41] <oxek> it just might not describe itself as 10.2
• 1477[13:37:50] <oxek> but it has all the security updates of 10.2
• 1478[13:38:00] <wxb> oxek, Security would be 10.2. Okay. Cool.
• 1479[13:38:05] <wxb> oxek, annadane Thanks.
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• 1484[13:40:21] <annadane> the only thing with unattended updates is like, i don't know if it tells you when you need to reboot or restart servies
• 1485[13:40:22] <annadane> services
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• 1489[13:40:54] <wxb> annadane, I reboot at least daily.
• 1490[13:41:02] <annadane> that's probably too much :P
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• 1493[13:41:31] <jim> wxb, the security fixes come from security.deboan.org... if you get updates from there, it's likely that's a security issue that someone fixed
• 1494[13:41:43] <wxb> annadane, I always turn off my machines when they're not in use. laptops.
• 1495[13:41:55] <annadane> the planet thanks you
• 1496[13:41:55] <jim> missspelled it :P
• 1497[13:41:57] <wxb> jim, okay. Thanks. Good to know!
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• 1499[13:42:11] <annadane> you're a better citizen than i am, i leave the thing running all the time
• 1500[13:42:54] <wxb> jim, After Devuan... Deboan.
• 1501[13:43:08] <jim> wxb, right now I don't know how to get a list of packages that come from the security mirror, and I'm sure it's possible somehow
• 1502[13:43:42] <jim> wxb, the shifted-hand-position dist...
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• 1504[13:44:06] <wxb> jim, Ha!
• 1505[13:44:25] <maze88> Hi, what VM manager is simplest to setup and use on Debian10? the Debian wiki says VirtualBox (what I used to use on Ubuntu) is no longer available. I will use VMs for studying pentesting exercises and devops. What should I use?
• 1506[13:44:38] * jim goes back to workin on pentatonics....
• 1507[13:44:58] <annadane> maze88, virt-manager isn't a bad thing to use
• 1508[13:45:16] <jim> whoa! that one sounded interesting over that chord... wait, oops, shifted hand position....
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• 1510[13:45:30] <Delta706> vbox works okay for me
• 1511[13:45:51] <Delta706> I am using debian 10
• 1512[13:47:00] <maze88> virt-manager only let me setup LXC-based containers... no option for an actual VM.
• 1513[13:47:18] <maze88> where did you install v[irtual?]box from on debian10??
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• 1515[13:47:53] <Delta706> I used an external repository, maze88
• 1516[13:49:13] <jim> has apt done away with the need to do apt update?
• 1517[13:49:45] <annadane> i don't know. there have been times where i get notified of security updates but can't just apt upgrade, i have to refresh mirrors first
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• 1519[13:49:55] <annadane> but that's very anecdotal
• 1520[13:50:05] <Delta706> maze88, downloading a deb file from replaced-url
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• 1530[13:59:12] <NetTerminalGene> is it safe to install latest firefox from unstable on debian 10?
• 1531[13:59:28] <annadane> NetTerminalGene, no
• 1532[13:59:39] <annadane> wiki.debian.org/Firefox <-- see that
• 1533[13:59:49] <annadane> i just downloaded it to its own folder from mozilla's site
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• 1539[14:01:09] <wxb> I have three newish Verbatim flash drives that aren't very 'stable' in that they connect and disconnect at will from my ports. One of them seems to work fine on other devices (a computer and a printer) and other flash drives work fine on the first computer. The Verbatims seem to fit rather loosely in the ports. Could the issue just be that they don't fit tight enough? If I move them around, they connect/ disconnect...
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• 1542[14:04:17] <trek00> wxb: try with another usb port
• 1543[14:05:55] <maze88> @Delta706 , thanks, i'll try that once I get back to my Debian computer!
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• 1546[14:06:46] <wxb> trek00, Same issues on all three ports of that first computer. Some ports worse than others.
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• 1548[14:07:25] <trek00> wxb: are they clean from debris?
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• 1551[14:08:27] <trek00> wxb: if they connect/disconnect when you move them around, this should be an hardware problem, probably an electrical problem
• 1552[14:08:34] <wxb> trek00, Yeah. And always in a pencil case with little dust.
• 1553[14:08:43] <wxb> trek00, On the flash drive? or the port?
• 1554[14:08:48] <trek00> wxb: i mean the ports
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• 1556[14:09:08] <freemobile4> Can I ask questions here regarding smartphone hardware specifics I cannot find anywhere else in ifixit,etc.?
• 1557[14:09:37] <wxb> trek00, Ah.
• 1558[14:09:38] <jelly> freemobile4: try ##hardware perhaps
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• 1560[14:10:19] <jelly> freemobile4: or use alis bot to search for channels. /msg alis help, /msg alis list keyword
• 1561[14:10:56] <freemobile4> jelly: that is what I did, but most of the channels relating to android or hardware either ban me automatically as I join or do not let me send messages
• 1562[14:11:19] <trek00> wxb: i had similar problem caused by debris on the port, defective cables (the ones which connect the port to the motherboard) or ruined port
• 1563[14:11:32] <jelly> freemobile4: many channels only allow NickServ identified users to talk because of spam
• 1564[14:11:53] <jelly> freemobile4: /msg NickServ help register, /msg NickServ help identify
• 1565[14:13:18] <trek00> wxb: it not means you need to change usb ports, may be a temporary problem that can be fixed
• 1566[14:13:27] <freemobile4> jelly: I guess, but I did not register because the process seems a bit complicated and also because if I use IRC is to avoid services like facebook, twitter, microsoft, etc. etc. that violate data protection rights
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• 1568[14:14:21] <trek00> freemobile4: you don't need to give your data to irc, just register a nickname and a password
• 1569[14:14:23] <jelly> yes, it's a bit invloved, and you have to bind a working email address to the account
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• 1571[14:15:19] <freemobile4> jelly: and to have a working email address can I use one that does not ask for personal data like gmail (yikes!) and any of those bad bad actors?
• 1572[14:15:34] <wxb> trek00, What is odd is that : 1) Machine A,B + Flash drive X = problems 2) Machine A + Flash drive Y = no problems 3) Machine C + Flash drive X = no problems.
• 1573[14:15:55] <freemobile4> wxb: have those machines got the same kernel version?
• 1574[14:16:09] <wxb> freemobile4, FYI most IRC is publicly logged...
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• 1576[14:16:28] <freemobile4> wxb: what I would do --> Boot all those 3 machines with the same LIVE DVD and see if the problem remains
• 1577[14:16:30] <trek00> wxb: machine A + drive X is ok or problems?
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• 1579[14:16:53] <trek00> wxb: sorry i reread now
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• 1582[14:16:58] <freemobile4> wxb: no problem with public logging, I just did not feel registering was good from a personal data's protection viewpoint
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• 1584[14:17:12] <wxb> freemobile4, You can use a throwaway email address...
• 1585[14:17:40] <wxb> freemobile4, Public logging probably has your location anyway.
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• 1588[14:18:20] <wxb> trek00, The flashdrive just feels loose. The drives are new. I have really old Kingstons that have no issues. I'm wondering if the pins just aren't connecting properly...
• 1589[14:18:39] <Beatty> Client: HexChat 2.14.2 • OS: Debian 10.2 • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2520M CPU @ 2.50GHz (1.40GHz) • Memory: Physical: 7.5 GiB Total (5.3 GiB Free) Swap: 7.7 GiB Total (7.7 GiB Free) • Storage: 30.0 GB / 120.4 GB (90.4 GB Free) • VGA: Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family Integrated Graphics Controller @ Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family DRAM Controller • Uptime: 30m 36s
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• 1591[14:19:17] <Beatty> Hi, I found a odd problem in my ThinkPad that used gnome + wayland, that when I use trackpoint to scroll in Firefox or Thunderbird, it will open all link that the mouse placed...Is there anyone have same problem?
• 1592[14:19:22] <wxb> Should I just replace the flash drive? Or do Machines A and B have port problems?
• 1593[14:19:22] <trek00> freemobile4: freenode (this service) does not share your data with others, it's a not-profit service, so no need to monetize, anyway you don't need to handle any personal data other than an (actually) working email address
• 1594[14:19:52] <trek00> wxb: it seems to me a little bit strange, but usb sometimes is strange
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• 1596[14:20:45] <wxb> trek00, It's bothersome to say the least! I use it to sync data and can't afford data corruption.
• 1597[14:20:50] <whislock> freemobile4: Your rights aren't being violated. No one said you had to register, but channel owners can decide not to let unregistered users in in orders to prevent spam.
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• 1599[14:21:50] <trek00> wxb: anyway it seems not a software problem
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• 1602[14:22:37] <wxb> trek00, True. Sigh. What I find 'fishy' is that all three Verbatim flash drive give me the same issue!
• 1603[14:22:45] <whislock> freemobile4: Same with email providers. You consent to their terms when you create an account.
• 1604[14:22:50] <trek00> Beatty: it has the same problem with X11 instead of wayland?
• 1605[14:23:46] <trek00> wxb: well if it is the same model, it could be defective by design with some usb ports
• 1606[14:23:55] <whislock> freemobile4: Certainly not defending their common practices, trust me. :P But you can't claim that your rights are being violated when you gave them permission.
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• 1608[14:24:35] <wxb> whislock, There's consent... and free consent...
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• 1610[14:25:32] <whislock> wxb: No, there isn't. There is consent. If you consent to their terms, however distasteful, then you can't cry later when they do exactly what they say they're going to do.
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• 1612[14:26:08] <whislock> wxb: There's a difference between being a victim and making poor choices. That's what it really comes down to.
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• 1614[14:26:34] <freemobile4> whislock: so if all shops that sell food have got cameras installed and I enter one of these shops when I can no longer go without eating, am I giving them my consent to being recorded?
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• 1616[14:26:54] <Beatty> trek00: Yes, It same problem when I use X11.
• 1617[14:27:04] <wxb> whislock, I don't really agree. Can we really say that everyone who uses GAFAM gives their full free consent/permission. One has to take into account surrounding factors.
• 1618[14:27:08] <data1> i did a uefi dual boot installing debian after windows. install went fine installed grub to /boot/efi. reboot with no grub but windows instead. can anyone please help?
• 1619[14:27:22] <whislock> freemobile4: Yes, you are.
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• 1621[14:27:42] <martin__> offtopic?
• 1622[14:27:52] <freemobile4> whislock: I don't think there is consent when you have no alternative
• 1623[14:27:59] <wxb> whislock, I can't just say 'if you reply to me then you are giving me the right to take 10k from you'.
• 1624[14:28:00] <whislock> wxb: Yes, they do give their consent. They can opt not to use the service. In freemobile4's example, you can cook at home.
• 1625[14:28:01] <Beatty> But the problem will not happen when I use gnome applet, like evolution
• 1626[14:28:02] <trek00> Beatty: can you find the model of your trackpad? may be with lsusb
• 1627[14:28:09] <whislock> Anyway.
• 1628[14:28:19] <wxb> So I take 10k now. You replied?
• 1629[14:28:31] <freemobile4> whislock: that seems like tricky red tape from big corporations that don't care about our rights and have governments on their part to legislate on their behalf, that is all
• 1630[14:28:33] <wxb> Bad conditions mean consent is compromised.
• 1631[14:28:43] <whislock> wxb: I never indicated consent to those terms. You explicitly indicate consent when you sign up for GAFAM, etc.
• 1632[14:29:09] <whislock> Again: You can't claim victimhood when you willingly and explicitly consented.
• 1633[14:29:09] <wxb> wxb, I'm saying that GAFAM, while not as extreme, also have very bad conditions.
• 1634[14:29:17] <wxb> These compromise consent.
• 1635[14:29:20] <whislock> wxb: Then don't consent to the terms by not signing up.
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• 1637[14:30:04] <freemobile4> whislock: if I have to eat and all grocery stores install cameras I am not willingly giving my consent for being recorded if I get in one of these shops to buy food
• 1638[14:30:15] <whislock> freemobile4: Yes, you are.
• 1639[14:30:41] <wxb> whislock, replaced-url
• 1640[14:30:42] <freemobile4> whislock: for consent to be valid, there's got to be an alternative, and the alternative cannot be not eating and dying
• 1641[14:30:43] <Beatty> trek00: it is a X220 Tablet
• 1642[14:30:43] <whislock> Demonizing "the man" is a really nice way to avoid having to take responsibility for your choices. It's easy. But it's intellectually dishonest.
• 1643[14:31:00] <wxb> whislock, Take a look. In the EU, consent has to be active.
• 1644[14:31:12] <wxb> whislock, Is a box is pre-ticked, that is not active.
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• 1646[14:31:43] <wxb> whislock, So while users 'freely consented' it was not sufficiant. Hence the law change.
• 1647[14:32:06] <wxb> freemobile4, I agree!
• 1648[14:32:37] <wxb> martin__, I also agree with you. Oops. Offtopic.
• 1649[14:33:02] <freemobile4> wxb: besides, the way things are going, they are going to compel most of us to "wear" an smartphone (recording us via mic, cam , GPS, acelerometer, etc.) to be able to buy anything when they make us feel into the trap of cashless society
• 1650[14:33:22] <freemobile4> and then, would I be giving consent to being monitored 24/7 via Smartphone? I think not
• 1651[14:33:31] <freemobile4> I think they create a trap, they create the context
• 1652[14:33:41] <jelly> freemobile4: keep this channel for tech support for Debian, we have #debian-offtopic for non-support chat
• 1653[14:33:42] <freemobile4> where you cannot do anything without consenting to their terms
• 1654[14:33:47] <wxb> trek00, Well I'll just have to replace those flash drives. Sigh. They were nice... but not great.
• 1655[14:33:48] <freemobile4> to later say that you willingly consented
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• 1657[14:33:59] <freemobile4> jelly: ok, I will not go offtopic anymore, sorry
• 1658[14:34:13] <wxb> jelly, oops.
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• 1660[14:34:24] <wxb> ooopos OPs
• 1661[14:34:32] <whislock> jelly: I bear some responsibility, there. Apologies.
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• 1663[14:35:05] <wxb> whislock, freemobile4 Thanks for the discussion. Back to support :)
• 1664[14:35:22] <wxb> Or in my case broken flash drives.
• 1665[14:36:04] <trek00> Beatty: i can't find you issue, may be it is related to the middle button emulation, may be you can try to disable it on firefox: go to about:config and set middlemouse.contentLoadURL to false
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• 1682[14:46:31] <Beatty> trek00: Thanks! I tried that before, but nothing helped... that is a really strange problem.
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• 1720[15:06:46] <frikinz> Hey. I need java plugin in firefox to access an HP switch management interface :(
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• 1722[15:07:12] <frikinz> How does one do that nowadays? I don't care about the browser, I need java for like 10mn.
• 1723[15:08:28] <jelly> frikinz: you keep a VM with old firefox and old jre
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• 1725[15:09:08] <jelly> frikinz: maybe debian 8 or 9 with firefox 45esr.
• 1726[15:09:12] <jelly> or windows
• 1727[15:09:26] <apathor> frikinz: try installing icedtea-netx
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• 1732[15:12:32] <frikinz> apathor: yeah that reminds me something. Done. And then? :)
• 1733[15:13:13] <apathor> for me that was enough to get firefox to spawn the little java applet in VM management console
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• 1738[15:15:19] <apathor> try restarting firefox and visiting the page again?
• 1739[15:15:32] <frikinz> oh yeah have done that
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• 1743[15:16:49] <frikinz> could be an alternative to set
• 1744[15:18:00] <trek00> frikinz: check your plugin page, if java is enabled
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• 1747[15:20:53] <frikinz> about:plugins ojnly shows cisco h264
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• 1751[15:22:54] <frikinz> so I started a VM :D
• 1752[15:22:56] <trek00> frikinz: may be you need something like icedtea-plugin
• 1753[15:23:34] <aioalga> my dears xuxa park my.cnf
• 1754[15:24:03] <frikinz> Internet Explorer 8...
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• 1756[15:24:13] <frikinz> Blocked by java.com AHAH
• 1757[15:24:20] <frikinz> Must be a joke
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• 1777[15:39:15] <elm_> how can I pass kernel parameters to a debian live cd?
• 1778[15:39:22] <elm_> the cd does not have grub
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• 1782[15:44:42] <dob1> hi, there is an utility that I can use to have the length of an mp3 (duration) without opening it?
• 1783[15:45:04] <greycat> No.
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• 1785[15:45:07] <greycat> It is literally impossible.
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• 1787[15:45:36] <Haohmaru> throw some beans
• 1788[15:45:40] <greycat> an mp3 file has many possible bitrates, or even variable bitrate. you cannot predict the play duration from the file size alone.
• 1789[15:46:08] <dob1> greycat, when you open an mp3 with whatever player you want you know the duration
• 1790[15:46:21] <greycat> You see that four-letter word you used there? "open"
• 1791[15:46:22] <Haohmaru> and you assume it does not open it?
• 1792[15:46:31] <greycat> You must open the file and read at least *part* of it to determine the play length.
• 1793[15:46:36] <greycat> You cannot determine the play length from stat() output alone.
• 1794[15:46:53] <dob1> greycat, ok my verb was wrong, sorry, without playing it
• 1795[15:47:08] <greycat> ffprobe, mp3info, ...? lots of tools.
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• 1798[15:48:13] <dob1> I take a look, thanks
• 1799[15:48:16] <greycat> unicorn:/stuff/music/Lana_Del_Rey$ ffprobe 1-05.\ West\ Coast_\[plixid.com\].mp3 2>&1 | grep Duration:
• 1800[15:48:19] <greycat> Duration: 00:04:12.58, start: 0.000000, bitrate: 325 kb/s
• 1801[15:48:31] <dob1> this is what I want!
• 1802[15:48:33] <greycat> (why does it write to stderr? I have no idea.)
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• 1807[15:52:06] <elm_> what is the boot loader for the live cd?
• 1808[15:52:16] <elm_> how can I pass kernel parameters?
• 1809[15:52:23] <greycat> !debian-live
• 1810[15:52:23] <elm_> I need to run flashrom
• 1811[15:52:23] <dpkg> The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. NOT recommended for installing Debian. Live images are available from replaced-url
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• 1813[15:52:55] <oxek> I cannot find the package that provides xfce4-screensaver. Someone please help?
• 1814[15:53:39] <dunz0r> oxek: it's called xfce4-screensaver
• 1815[15:53:41] <dunz0r> replaced-url
• 1816[15:53:43] <dunz0r> Also
• 1817[15:53:45] <dunz0r> !boring
• 1818[15:53:45] <dpkg> yes, you are dunz0r
• 1819[15:54:19] <dunz0r> Lol, wrong channel and wrong distro. Never mind :D
• 1820[15:54:23] <oxek> dunz0r: that's archlinux...
• 1821[15:54:42] <towo^work> xfce4-screensaver only exists in sid and experimental
• 1822[15:54:55] <greycat> ,v xfce4-screensaver
• 1823[15:54:56] <judd> Package: xfce4-screensaver on amd64 -- sid: 0.1.8-1
• 1824[15:55:02] <oxek> ok, that explains it
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• 1826[15:55:09] <greycat> ,checkbackport xfce4-screensaver
• 1827[15:55:09] <judd> Backporting package xfce4-screensaver in sid→buster/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: debhelper-compat (= 12).
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• 1831[15:56:17] <oxek> in that case, how do I get a something that powers off display after 10 minutes of inactivity, and something that locks the session on combination of keypresses, and on suspend/hibernate
• 1832[15:56:26] <oxek> debian stable, xfce installed
• 1833[15:56:33] <towo^work> xscreensaver?
• 1834[15:57:04] <oxek> isn't xscreensaver a bit of an overkill?
• 1835[15:57:12] <oxek> it has like a hundred things in it
• 1836[15:57:14] <dunz0r> oxek: slock?
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• 1838[15:57:42] <oxek> dunz0r: nothing shows on `apt show slock`
• 1839[15:57:47] <oxek> do you know the package name?
• 1840[15:58:21] <dunz0r> No. i3lock is an option as well, with more features than slock.
• 1841[15:58:28] <uniqdom> Hello. I know that is a very bad idea to execute run user programs as root user. I have downloaded firefox from mozilla's web page. I will be running it with my unpriviled user, but what about the ownership of firefox folder and files, should they be owned by root?
• 1842[15:58:53] <greycat> When in doubt, yes, just have them owned by root.
• 1843[15:58:56] <dunz0r> oxek: i3lock is ttill a lot more minimal than xscreensaver. Xlock is an options as well
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• 1848[16:04:51] <aioalga> any intellijidea? my sarching about mutter window manager "quantum" slice
• 1849[16:05:39] <aioalga> atom sound image
• 1850[16:06:06] <aioalga> coprocessor input/output
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• 1852[16:06:17] <aioalga> tell dave's steam
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• 1881[16:18:50] <frikinz> so I failed using java on debian and windows 7. and then went to CLI configuration.
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• 1913[16:34:30] <B|ack0p> hi
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• 1951[16:56:55] <Delta706> I am having problems identifying the port used by the X server. netstat is not showing anything
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• 1953[16:57:06] <greycat> It doesn't listen on TCP by default.
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• 1955[16:57:15] <greycat> wooledg:~$ ps -ef | grep nolisten
• 1956[16:57:15] <greycat> wooledg 725 724 0 Nov18 tty1 00:03:50 /usr/lib/xorg/Xorg -nolisten tcp :0 vt1 -keeptty -auth /tmp/serverauth.aispqWPL4m
• 1957[16:57:21] <greycat> See the "-nolisten tcp" there?
• 1958[16:57:31] <Delta706> X used to listen
• 1959[16:57:52] <greycat> grep -r nolisten /etc 2>/dev/null
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• 1962[16:58:44] <Delta706> I guess things were changed for some reason, perhaps security
• 1963[16:58:53] <jelly> Delta706: not on Debian for 10+ years at least
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• 1965[16:59:23] <Delta706> I prefer to maintain backwards compatibility
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• 1967[16:59:43] <greycat> That's why your FTP server is already compromised.
• 1968[16:59:59] <greycat> But hey, maybe your Gopher server will still work.
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• 1971[17:00:15] <Delta706> what FTP server?
• 1972[17:00:24] <jelly> I have a counterexample with a public ftp server configured correctly with TLS only, that I will not mention.
• 1973[17:00:37] <greycat> But that's not backward compatible!!
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• 1976[17:01:07] <jelly> Delta706: it's a jest. Keeping a socket for X11 available on the network is rather insecure.
• 1977[17:01:22] <jelly> just like running an ftp server
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• 1980[17:01:48] <Delta706> keeping a socket on the network is not insecure
• 1981[17:01:55] <Delta706> I am behind a firewall
• 1982[17:02:26] <Delta706> FUD is not good security approach
• 1983[17:02:34] <mutante> the firewall does not prevent anyone on the way to listen in to your traffic though
• 1984[17:02:49] <mutante> i dont think that's encrypted
• 1985[17:02:52] <greycat> dpkg, flw80 is <Delta706> keeping a socket on the network is not insecure <Delta706> I am behind a firewall
• 1986[17:02:53] <dpkg> greycat: okay
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• 1988[17:03:53] <Delta706> flw80
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• 1990[17:04:19] <greycat> sadly we need another 9 before we can modify the flw selector, since it works in batches of 10
• 1991[17:04:20] <jelly> Delta706: perhaps you have an actual tehnical issue to solve, if you do state it so we can try to help
• 1992[17:04:36] <greycat> !famous last words
• 1993[17:04:36] <dpkg> <nvz> greycat: I dont need it to constantly check it, my clocks are all reliable enough.. some may have dead batteries or incompetant 2nd os's but that can be fixed with /etc/init.d/ntpdate running at startup
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• 1995[17:05:46] <grampodeamoeba> what about netdev at etc/passwd
• 1996[17:05:48] <Delta706> If X is not using a socket, how do X clients connect?
• 1997[17:06:01] <greycat> They use a unix domain socket.
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• 2000[17:06:36] <grampodeamoeba> recruiting pre selected user(s) to gain network online communication
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• 2003[17:06:58] <grampodeamoeba> outgoing boundaries
• 2004[17:07:03] <grampodeamoeba> or not
• 2005[17:07:14] <Delta706> How can I determine what UDS are in use then?
• 2006[17:07:18] <jelly> grampodeamoeba: this is #debian, tech support for the Debian distribution.
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• 2008[17:07:44] <jelly> grampodeamoeba: you may be wanting a different channel
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• 2010[17:08:31] <jelly> or maybe formulate your question a bit clearer
• 2011[17:08:43] <grampodeamoeba> sorry netdev etc/group
• 2012[17:08:45] <jelly> Delta706: what are UDS?
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• 2014[17:08:50] <grampodeamoeba> what i said
• 2015[17:08:55] <Delta706> unix domain sockets, jelly
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• 2019[17:09:25] <jelly> Delta706: lsof is your friend, probably
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• 2021[17:10:28] <Delta706> I tried that but got reams of output
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• 2024[17:10:44] <greycat> because there are reams of open files
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• 2026[17:11:08] <jelly> Delta706: filter the output, either by using tools like grep and awk, or by specifying parameters for lsof
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• 2030[17:13:24] <jelly> Delta706: look at the output and see how the first line is a header of sorts. Then read the manual, see whether you can pick only the desired value for TYPE column
• 2031[17:13:35] <Delta706> thanks jelly
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• 2035[17:14:25] <theor> Hi. We're a Debian shop about to test an openstack platform. RHEL/CentOS and Ubuntu LTS are the big players but we're reluctant to use several distros internally. Is OpenStack well tested/supported on Debian, or is it more a "use it at your own risk" approach?
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• 2041[17:16:34] <jelly> theor: look at resources in #debian-openstack channel topic over on irc.oftc.net about the state of the, uh, stack on Debian. Maybe hang out there and ask the devs if you need details
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• 2044[17:17:31] <theor> jelly: I wasn't aware of this channel. It's already a good sign! Thanks for your help
• 2045[17:18:05] <theor> Ah, empty channel
• 2046[17:18:36] <greycat> "on irc.oftc.net", he said
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• 2048[17:19:00] <Ankman> good old oftc
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• 2051[17:19:13] <theor> greycat: Indeed. I read too fast
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• 2054[17:19:44] <Ankman> was in a chat there when someone set up a free vps decades ago
• 2055[17:19:48] <B|ack0p> i made a simple wallpaper for debian in inscape: replaced-url
• 2056[17:20:15] <B|ack0p> sharing for who wants to get green background with debian logo :p
• 2057[17:20:26] <B|ack0p> but 4:3 screen for my old thinkpad
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• 2070[17:28:39] <B|ack0p> maybe this is better: replaced-url
• 2071[17:28:42] <B|ack0p> :p
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• 2075[17:31:44] <dob1> networkmanager continues to change my dns setting in resolv.conf, how to avoid this=?
• 2076[17:31:51] <greycat> !override dns
• 2077[17:31:51] <dpkg> To have dhclient etc not touch /etc/resolv.conf, the best plan is to configure it not to touch that file. See replaced-url
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• 2081[17:32:47] <jelly> dob1: you should be also able to override nameserver values for each connection separately somewhere in NM gui
• 2082[17:33:00] <jelly> I don't remember where
• 2083[17:33:01] <dob1> jelly, I don't use any gui. this is the problem
• 2084[17:33:10] <dob1> on this pc I never used network manager
• 2085[17:33:23] <jelly> I don't know if nmcli can do that as well
• 2086[17:33:33] <whislock> It can.
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• 2088[17:33:46] <whislock> ipv4.dns, ipv6.dns
• 2089[17:33:55] <jelly> dob1: um, if you don't use CLI, how come your debian uses NM for network?
• 2090[17:34:02] <jelly> if you don't use GUI*
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• 2092[17:34:03] <dob1> jelly, I don't know...
• 2093[17:34:03] <whislock> dob1: A GUI is not required for NetworkManager.
• 2094[17:34:22] <dob1> jelly, it was setup during the installation, for sure
• 2095[17:34:38] <greycat> If you don't want to use it, just remove it.
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• 2098[17:34:56] <whislock> dob1: That doesn't happen unless you install a desktop environment during installation.
• 2099[17:35:16] <dob1> whislock, yes there is, but not used
• 2100[17:35:30] <whislock> dob1: There is what?
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• 2102[17:35:35] <dob1> whislock, xfce4
• 2103[17:35:41] <whislock> dob1: Then that's how you got NM.
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• 2106[17:35:53] <whislock> dob1: Set your DNS resolvers via nmcli. It's quite simple.
• 2107[17:36:00] <dob1> and I found that I have nothing in /etc/network/interfaces
• 2108[17:36:08] <whislock> Because NM is managing your connection, yes.
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• 2110[17:36:31] <greycat> causality is backwards there
• 2111[17:36:42] <greycat> NM is managing the connection because there's nothing in /e/n/i
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• 2113[17:36:56] <dob1> I am connected via ssh to this pc, I am a bit worried about modifying parameters
• 2114[17:36:57] <whislock> I wasn't implying causality.
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• 2117[17:37:07] <DDX> Question: I have Debian 8 installed as my main OS. For Studies I'll also need to use Windows 10/Hyper-V. If I buy an SSD and install Windows 10 on it, will this allow me to create a functional dual-boot without affecting my existing Debian partition?
• 2118[17:37:10] <dob1> some advices?
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• 2121[17:37:45] <greycat> Why on earth did you install xfce on a remote server?
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• 2123[17:37:52] <whislock> Just that it would make sense for /e/n/i to be empty, as the system was configured with a DE, and therefore NM would be the configurator. The installer would have no reason to populate /e/n/i.
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• 2125[17:37:58] <dob1> greycat, xrdp
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• 2127[17:38:51] <dob1> greycat, there is a vpn to connect via xrdp
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• 2129[17:39:36] <dob1> ok can I tell network manager to use some dns that I want?
• 2130[17:39:58] <whislock> dob1: Yes.
• 2131[17:40:06] <whislock> It's quite easy. You don't even need the gui for it.
• 2132[17:40:08] <greycat> 11:35 whislock> dob1: Set your DNS resolvers via nmcli. It's quite simple.
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• 2135[17:41:26] <jelly> !qotd0
• 2136[17:41:27] <dpkg> <john6000> directhex|work you can get lost you loser <john6000> calling me thinck
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• 2138[17:42:04] <annadane> is there a list of all of these?
• 2139[17:42:08] <dob1> foind this replaced-url
• 2140[17:42:15] <dob1> *found
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• 2143[17:42:43] <greycat> annadane: /msg dpkg qotd1 etc.
• 2144[17:42:55] <Ankman> dob1: found an nmcli example if iterested
• 2145[17:42:59] <whislock> dob1: I will always recommend man pages over $randomPostDuJour, but that's approximately correct.
• 2146[17:43:17] <whislock> dob1: However, do NOT perform the con down/up operations as printed in that post, or you will lock yourself out.
• 2147[17:43:22] <jelly> dpkg: your factoids
• 2148[17:43:22] <dpkg> You can search my database on the web at replaced-url
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• 2298[19:24:18] <senecaty> The netinst .iso has an advanced option to give me a busybox shell. I want to issue a ATA Secure Erase to my SSD which requires hdparm which is not present.
• 2299[19:25:43] <greycat> the installers have *very* limited tools; you might have more luck with a dedicated live/rescue image of some kind
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• 2301[19:26:10] <whislock> senecaty: Are you sure you need to do a secure erase?
• 2302[19:26:36] <senecaty> it is not a must, my aim is a simple wipe before giving away
• 2303[19:26:55] <whislock> senecaty: Were the contents encrypted previously?
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• 2307[19:28:19] <senecaty> whislock: no
• 2308[19:28:28] <whislock> senecaty: Ah, makes sense.
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• 2318[19:37:12] <jhutchins_wk> whislock: replaced-url
• 2319[19:37:28] <whislock> ?
• 2320[19:37:45] <jhutchins_wk> Oops. senecaty ^
• 2321[19:38:22] <jhutchins_wk> I was going to suggest DBAN but it doesn't detect SSDs.
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• 2336[19:46:18] <jxel> Morning :D
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• 2340[19:47:38] <boktan> how to find the package malcontent-0 ?
• 2341[19:47:54] <boktan> i need to install it but cannot find it
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• 2356[19:54:20] <annadane> boktan, doesn't seem to be anything called malcontent in debian
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• 2358[19:54:30] <annadane> oh, it's a python thing
• 2359[19:54:41] <annadane> boktan, install python3-venv and make a virtualenv for it
• 2360[19:54:46] <jxel> he asked the same thing in archlinux channel
• 2361[19:55:09] <annadane> ...
• 2362[19:55:10] <annadane> *plonk*
• 2363[19:55:29] <towo`> and afaik he doesn't run debian
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• 2365[19:55:51] <boktan> maaan what a big problem
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• 2367[19:55:54] <jxel> i believe he's on kali
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• 2369[19:56:06] <greycat> *facepalm*
• 2370[19:56:07] <towo`> iirc parrot
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• 2372[19:56:32] <whislock> braaawk polly wants a hacker braaawk
• 2373[19:56:36] <jxel> LMFAO
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• 2375[19:57:10] <boktan> annadane thank you for helping
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• 2377[19:57:31] <annadane> you may also need a psychologist
• 2378[19:57:40] <jxel> wow
• 2379[19:57:42] <jxel> lmfao
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• 2381[19:58:32] <whislock> boktan: Ask your questions in the channel that actually supports your distro in the future.
• 2382[19:58:53] <dob1> whislock, you remember I asked about nmcli, for dns edit? I did it but resov.conf it's the same and I have this line too nameserver fe80::1%enp2s0
• 2383[19:59:00] <boktan> only one question i did ask but many cocksuckers attacking
• 2384[19:59:06] <boktan> only one fucking question
• 2385[19:59:07] <jxel> dude
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• 2387[19:59:11] <jxel> you're asking in the #debian channel
• 2388[19:59:12] <EdePopede> is malcontent-0 different from the malcontent i just found on wnpp?
• 2389[19:59:14] <jxel> a question
• 2390[19:59:18] <jxel> not that relevant to debian
• 2391[19:59:20] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o greycat
• 2392[19:59:24] <whislock> And there we go.
• 2393[19:59:29] *** greycat sets mode: +q *!*@202.126.89.49
• 2394[19:59:39] <annadane> wnpp should have package descriptions? cross reference with the pypi database thing
• 2395[19:59:44] *** greycat sets mode: -o greycat
• 2396[19:59:49] <whislock> dob1: What DNS servers do you actually want on the connection?
• 2397[19:59:57] <dob1> whislock, google ones are ok
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• 2403[20:01:15] * annadane wonders if wnpp gets smaller or larger over time, on average
• 2404[20:01:21] <]2eAList> sela all.
• 2405[20:01:24] * annadane probably should maintain something
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• 2412[20:03:46] <dob1> sudo sudo nmcli con mod "Wired connection 1" ipv4.dns "8.8.8.8 8.8.4.4"; sudo nmcli con mod "Wired connection 1" ipv4.ignore-auto-dns yes
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• 2415[20:04:14] <whislock> dob1: Did you bring the interface down and back up?
• 2416[20:04:21] <dob1> whislock, you said no
• 2417[20:04:38] <dob1> and how can I bring it up if it goes down?
• 2418[20:04:47] <dob1> I am connected via ssh
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• 2423[20:05:29] <dob1> well I will edit it manually, /etc/resolv.con
• 2424[20:05:32] <dob1> *conf
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• 2426[20:06:04] <greycat> once again...
• 2427[20:06:05] <greycat> !override dns
• 2428[20:06:05] <dpkg> To have dhclient etc not touch /etc/resolv.conf, the best plan is to configure it not to touch that file. See replaced-url
• 2429[20:06:11] <greycat> After you edit it, read that wiki page.
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• 2433[20:06:40] <wolf45> hi
• 2434[20:06:42] <greycat> Otherwise, something will come along and revert your edits, and you will be angry and sad.
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• 2437[20:07:18] <Steeve> Hi
• 2438[20:07:22] <jxel> is there any reason why i need an invite for #debian-next ?
• 2439[20:07:23] <dob1> greycat, chattr +i /etc/resolv.con ?
• 2440[20:07:36] <greycat> If you wish.
• 2441[20:07:37] <dob1> it's a bit dangerous
• 2442[20:07:43] <greycat> jxel: wrong network.
• 2443[20:07:51] <wolf45> jxel i don't have any idea
• 2444[20:07:52] <dob1> I don't have dhcpclient c
• 2445[20:08:26] <wolf45> there are someone that are using debian 10 and gnome shell?
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• 2448[20:09:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1594
• 2449[20:09:03] <Steeve> Someone use a deepin distribuition ?
• 2450[20:09:16] <greycat> !deepin
• 2451[20:09:16] <dpkg> deepin is a Chinese distribution <based on debian>. It is not supported on #debian. Try their forums at replaced-url
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• 2456[20:11:20] <annadane> wolf45, what's your actual question
• 2457[20:11:21] <annadane> !anyone
• 2458[20:11:21] <dpkg> Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
• 2459[20:11:52] <wolf45> annadane
• 2460[20:12:34] <annadane> jxel, it's on OFTC
• 2461[20:12:35] <wolf45> my question is what happend with icons of second that are running?
• 2462[20:12:41] <annadane> irc.oftc.net
• 2463[20:12:49] <Ankman> wolf45: i do
• 2464[20:13:05] <dob1> greycat, as alternative I can use inotifywait and monitor when /etc/resolv.conf changes and rewrite it :)
• 2465[20:13:18] <Ankman> they are underlines?
• 2466[20:13:20] <Ankman> d
• 2467[20:13:27] <jxel> ah ok! cheers :)
• 2468[20:13:32] <Steeve> X) X)
• 2469[20:13:46] <dob1> I want to get rid of this network manager...
• 2470[20:13:50] <greycat> dob1: that is *really* not the approach anyone would recommend, unless they're insane. I would prefer chattr +i over that.
• 2471[20:13:51] <Ankman> talking about the favorites on the left when you click on top left?
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• 2473[20:15:14] <dob1> greycat, my idea is: write the appropriate configuration in /etc/network/interfaces, and disable via systemctl network-manager. If I did it I am out ...
• 2474[20:15:17] <Habbie> and even chattr +i for resolv.conf is pretty insane
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• 2476[20:15:29] <dob1> *If I did it wrong I am out
• 2477[20:15:33] <greycat> it's really not that insane, habbie
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• 2479[20:15:47] <Habbie> greycat, it is a common source of confusion-in-six-months
• 2480[20:15:52] <greycat> it's simple, it's permanent, it's cross-platform (works on those freaking CentOS boxes...)
• 2481[20:16:06] <Habbie> it is only simple to the naive admin
• 2482[20:16:14] <dob1> greycat, but you are not resolving the problem
• 2483[20:16:19] <Habbie> in many situations it makes the problem more complex
• 2484[20:16:29] <greycat> I fail to see the complexity.
• 2485[20:16:31] <Habbie> as once you have done this, even changing resolv.conf "the right way" no longer works
• 2486[20:16:51] <greycat> you try to edit it, it fails, you observe that it's immutable, you undo it
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• 2490[20:17:03] <mason> What's the issue with resolv.conf?
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• 2492[20:17:16] <Habbie> mason, some people like to fight the tooling and chattr +i it
• 2493[20:17:17] <dob1> that it likes to change
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• 2495[20:17:43] <Ankman> dob1: disn't the nmcli commands not help?
• 2496[20:17:44] <mason> dob1: What software do you not wish to have change it?
• 2497[20:18:00] <dob1> Ankman, no, but I didn't bring down/up the interface
• 2498[20:18:06] <dob1> mason, it's network manager
• 2499[20:18:23] <Ankman> can't you bring them down (remote)?
• 2500[20:18:44] <dob1> Ankman, I am a bit worried
• 2501[20:18:48] <Ankman> you could also just restart the nwm
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• 2503[20:19:02] <whislock> dob1: nmcli c down <profile> ; nmcli c up <profile>
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• 2506[20:19:15] <whislock> dob1: As long as you changed nothing else. It's important to do that on a single line.
• 2507[20:19:33] <Ankman> if you know the machine will come up online, do a delayed reboot. log out before it triggers and then back in after a few minutes
• 2508[20:19:51] <Ankman> whislock: suppose the machine is remote
• 2509[20:19:54] <dob1> let's try
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• 2512[20:20:04] <whislock> Ankman: I know the machine is remote. Hence the specificity in the instructions.
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• 2514[20:20:33] <whislock> There's no 100% safe way to modify network configuration on a remote system unless you have out of band access.
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• 2554[20:34:25] <dob1> well I am worried to lose connection :)
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• 2559[20:34:49] <dob1> and my resolv.conf is still the same!
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• 2564[20:37:05] <whislock> Did you bring the connection down and back up?
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• 2567[20:37:56] <dob1> whislock, no, I am afraid :)
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• 2569[20:38:11] <whislock> then why are you expecting resolv.conf to change?
• 2570[20:38:44] <greycat> a little paranoia is healthy
• 2571[20:39:02] <dob1> whislock, I manually overriden it, so It has to change. but I changed configuration of nm too. So I will see it they revert to the original
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• 2573[20:39:13] <Ankman> dob1: you need to restart the nwm that changes take effect
• 2574[20:39:17] <greycat> but at the same time, don't over-stress about this file, because it's not critical to being able to login to the system. unless you're doing something daffy.
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• 2576[20:39:41] <whislock> you don't have to restart network manager. All you have to do is bring the interface down and back up exactly how I told you.
• 2577[20:39:44] <dob1> Ankman, same, it manages the cable connection
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• 2579[20:40:04] <Ankman> i would chose to reboot
• 2580[20:40:20] <dob1> there are not way to see where my changes are written?
• 2581[20:40:23] <dob1> *no way
• 2582[20:40:46] <dob1> ipv4.ignore-auto-dns yes I set this too
• 2583[20:40:53] <Ankman> have no access to an emergency console?
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• 2585[20:40:57] <dob1> no
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• 2589[20:41:12] <dob1> I will wait tomorrow, someone is there
• 2590[20:41:17] <dob1> will be there
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• 2592[20:42:12] <Ankman> if you don't really need the machine now reboot and call them tomorrow if you cannot connect anymore that they fix things
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• 2598[20:44:21] <dob1> Ankman, yes, I will do this
• 2599[20:44:45] <wesch> Hi everyone, I'm running Debian Buster and I am trying to compile nginx-1.16.1 with rtmp module like this: ./configure --add-module=/root/nginx/nginx-rtmp-module/ --with-http_ssl_module --prefix=/usr/local/nginx-streaming/ but I am getting the error on ngx_rtmp_eval on the make command. Full error: replaced-url
• 2600[20:45:02] <greycat> ,checkbackports nginx
• 2601[20:45:10] <greycat> ,checkbackport nginx
• 2602[20:45:19] <judd> Backporting package nginx in sid→buster/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using archignore, buster, virtual.
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• 2604[20:45:54] <greycat> is "rtmp module" something not provided in the bullseye package?
• 2605[20:46:18] <wesch> judd Sorry, I didn't understand. Could you clarify?
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• 2608[20:46:34] <greycat> Can you just backport the bullseye version and use it?
• 2609[20:47:17] <wesch> One more info: I'm using the replaced-url
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• 2622[20:53:01] <greycat> The sh^h^hgithub page says you only need --with-http_ssl_module with nginx versions 1.3.14 - 1.5.0.
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• 2627[20:56:13] <wesch> greycat thanks for you atention... I will try this
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• 2629[20:56:34] <B|ack0p> are you against github?
• 2630[20:56:47] <Ankman> wesch: doesn't debian's repositaries have the desired module?
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• 2632[20:56:56] <greycat> github is to source code as PPAs are to packages
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• 2634[20:57:13] <greycat> dumping ground for WAY too many crappy things
• 2635[20:57:31] <whislock> And many valuable things.
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• 2637[20:57:47] <B|ack0p> what about gitlab?
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• 2639[20:59:14] <wesch> greycat the same error
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• 2644[21:00:14] <greycat> Have you tried *starting* the procedure for compiling nginx from Debian source (or backporting, same difference), up to and including the "apt-get build-dep" parts?
• 2645[21:00:14] <wesch> Ankman I install git gcc make libpcre3-dev libssl-dev zlib1g-dev libbz2-dev
• 2646[21:00:28] <greycat> Even if you're not using Debianized sources, that should pull in a crapton of -dev packages.
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• 2654[21:05:32] <wesch> greycat I run apt-get build-dep nginx ... but don't solve the problem. i get the same msg
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• 2661[21:07:14] <greycat> wesch: (curls the raw text...) well, the error is in the rtmp thingy (/root/nginx/nginx-rtmp-module//ngx_rtmp_eval.c). So, report it to the maintainer. This "arut", whoever that is.
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• 2665[21:08:17] <wesch> greycat ok ... I will report in github issue. Thanks
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• 2687[21:20:27] <FingerlessGloves> fixed it :-)
• 2688[21:20:33] <FingerlessGloves> missed a command off the debian zfs guide
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• 2703[21:26:19] <Ned_Stark> hackers here?
• 2704[21:26:41] <towo`> no
• 2705[21:26:46] <annadane> if by hacker you mean hacking code, sure. if by hacking you mean malicious attacking of computers, probably the wrong place to ask
• 2706[21:26:47] <B|ack0p> lol
• 2707[21:27:00] <OerHeks> no, only script kiddies
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• 2710[21:28:24] <Stark83> I always thought IRC is a place where hackers talk and exchange their information and do transactions ...
• 2711[21:28:26] <Aebian> is there any preferred way to run a cron every second? I know there is a "hack" with sleep and a second cron entry but I feel like this is not an ideal solution, thoughts?
• 2712[21:28:43] <Habbie> Aebian, systemd timers
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• 2714[21:28:57] <Habbie> Stark83, and now you have observed this happening!
• 2715[21:29:11] <greycat> Aebian: run a script that does "while sleep 1; do ...; done"
• 2716[21:29:20] <Ned_Stark1> I'm just wondering, why irc is famous in this way?
• 2717[21:29:37] <livebrain> irc isw not famous in that way
• 2718[21:29:55] <Habbie> Ned_Stark1, i don't know, but this is not the channel for that question in any case
• 2719[21:30:18] <Ned_Stark1> I might misunderstood that
• 2720[21:30:21] <OerHeks> Ned_Stark1, oh, that wikileaks movie?
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• 2722[21:30:33] <Ned_Stark1> OerHeks yes that's one of them
• 2723[21:30:36] <OerHeks> offtopic i guess
• 2724[21:30:48] <Ned_Stark1> I've seen so many ted shows of tech guys also mention this
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• 2726[21:30:57] <Aebian> greycat: Habbie: ok thanks
• 2727[21:31:01] <Ned_Stark1> mentioning*
• 2728[21:31:19] <livebrain> he is trolling lol
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• 2730[21:32:00] <annadane> i think #hackersec or ##hackersec or whatever is a channel, go bother them, or search the other freenode channels for similar
• 2731[21:32:00] <Ned_Stark1> why would i? I'm just asking and wondering? why you have to mean?
• 2732[21:32:17] <Ned_Stark1> to be*
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• 2734[21:32:37] <livebrain> omg... mean ? are you 12 ?
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• 2737[21:33:40] <wasamasa> Ned_Stark1: IRC is popular for controlling botnets
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• 2739[21:33:53] <wasamasa> Ned_Stark1: the requirements for writing an IRC bot are trivial
• 2740[21:34:19] <wasamasa> Ned_Stark1: in this sense it's as hacker-friendly as it gets
• 2741[21:34:36] <Ned_Stark1> livebrain like you're cursing me with these childish way of responding ?
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• 2745[21:35:00] <livebrain> cursing ?
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• 2747[21:35:08] <dbristow> If you have both an SSD and a magnetic hard disk, it is a good practice to put the swap on the magnetic, right?
• 2748[21:35:09] <livebrain> were did i curse ?
• 2749[21:35:26] <annadane> i *think* so dbristow but not sure
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• 2751[21:35:30] <livebrain> i would say yes dbristow
• 2752[21:35:48] <dbristow> OK good.
• 2753[21:36:18] <greycat> This channel is for Debian support. If you want to talk about maliciously attacking systems, or the history of IRC, or anything else that's not Debian support related, there are other channels.
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• 2756[21:37:00] <annadane> do SSDs even use swap?
• 2757[21:37:18] <greycat> you can create a swap partition on one
• 2758[21:37:23] <jhutchins_wk> dbristow: The argument is that you don't want a partition that gets lots of IO on the SSD because of "wear". That isn't much of a problem these days, and usually swap doesn't get used a lot unless there's a problem, so either way it'll work.
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• 2760[21:38:03] <jhutchins_wk> annadane: It's not the disk storage that uses swap, it's the OS & RAM.
• 2761[21:38:11] <annadane> right, of course
• 2762[21:38:15] <livebrain> wear os ssd's is no longer a problem jhutchins_wk ?
• 2763[21:38:20] <livebrain> os/of
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• 2765[21:39:15] <plantroon> I removed a disk from mdadm raid1 array. When starting the server though, it doesn't start as degraded but inactive and sets the disk as spare (S)
• 2766[21:39:17] <jhutchins_wk> livebrain: It's a theoretical problem at least, but it doesn't seem to effect operations for most people. Most newer laptops use SSDs exclusively, and they don't seem to fail any more than spinning rust.
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• 2770[21:39:53] <no_gravity> Hello! Is there some "redshift" thing in the Debian repos to make the monitor colors less blue and more red?
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• 2772[21:40:25] <greycat> ,info redshift
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• 2774[21:40:26] <judd> Package redshift (x11, optional) in buster/amd64: Adjusts the color temperature of your screen. Version: 1.12-2; Size: 105.9k; Installed: 586k; Homepage: replaced-url
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• 2777[21:40:49] <annadane> the redshift thing is literally redshift
• 2778[21:41:04] <annadane> and i use it all the time
• 2779[21:41:11] <annadane> couldn't live without it
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• 2781[21:41:37] <livebrain> i use that on my phone all the time, never used on the computer
• 2782[21:41:45] <livebrain> im going to install it and try
• 2783[21:42:02] <annadane> my monitor with the brightness all the way down is still much too bright
• 2784[21:42:17] <annadane> have no idea how people use it normally
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• 2787[21:43:17] <d9a> How has GNOME performance been on Debian stable? I don't recall which version, but I recall some recent GNOME update improved performance a lot. Was thinking about using GNOME but that's my only concern.
• 2788[21:43:32] <greycat> !tias
• 2789[21:43:32] <dpkg> TIAS is "Try It And See".
• 2790[21:43:47] <annadane> don't know about a recent gnome update but gnome can now use wayland on buster, i believe it's the default
• 2791[21:44:17] <plantroon> d9a: my Thinkpad X200 feels sluggish on Gnome 3. My Core i7 9700k workstation feels ok, but I use i3 anyway... depends on a lot of things, mainly GPU
• 2792[21:44:24] <jhutchins_wk> d9a: Trying it is really the only way, because it depends on what you do on the system and what you consider fast or slow.
• 2793[21:44:32] <d9a> plantroon: Thank you. I have an X220 so that was helpful
• 2794[21:44:46] <plantroon> d9a: X220 has a way newer GPU than X200, so ymmv
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• 2796[21:45:02] <d9a> I think whether a desktop is snappy is pretty universal. Not talking about program performance.
• 2797[21:45:22] <jhutchins_wk> I have a core II duo running xfce4 and the only time I notice slowness is the initial load of the browser.
• 2798[21:45:26] <plantroon> gnome 3 in debian stable is not snappy in my opinion, but I have high standards xd
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• 2800[21:45:40] <no_gravity> greycat, annadane: Thanks! Works as advertised. Everything is tinted in a dull orange now :) Might even be a bit too much.
• 2801[21:45:44] <d9a> I was using Xfce, but there's a problem with xflock on my machine that I"m not sure how to resolve.
• 2802[21:45:56] <d9a> It gets stuck on a black screen if I lock it. I have to hard reboot.
• 2803[21:46:08] <annadane> no_gravity, YMMV but you'll soon learn to ignore the orange
• 2804[21:46:16] <plantroon> d9a: any chance you use lightdm?
• 2805[21:46:23] <annadane> it's a thing one gets used to
• 2806[21:46:25] <d9a> plantroon: I was using whatever is default in Debian
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• 2808[21:46:36] <d9a> plantroon: I didn't do a custom install. I used the DE install in the installer.
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• 2811[21:47:00] <plantroon> which desktop did u pick initially? I believe gdm is default with gnome3 but others should have lightdm
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• 2813[21:47:14] <no_gravity> annadane: I am looking for a way to change the colors... I would expect there is a config somewhere ...
• 2814[21:47:18] <d9a> plantroon: I installed xfce
• 2815[21:47:20] <greycat> sddm is default for KDE, I believe (at least, it was in stretch)
• 2816[21:47:25] <d9a> plantroon: It was purely xfce
• 2817[21:48:05] <d9a> plantroon: Have you heard of issues with locking and lightdm on buster?
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• 2819[21:48:37] <plantroon> no but I had them in the past... I just stopped using a DM altogether, it's a personal machine anyway. I only need a lockscreen. At boot/resume from hibernation it asks for luks password anyway
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• 2821[21:49:40] <d9a> wasn't sure because I had no idea how to track down what was occurring.
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• 2825[21:51:16] <d9a> Does anyone know what screensaver application comes with Xfce on Debian? That's probably the issue.
• 2826[21:51:21] <d9a> If not, that's ok.
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• 2834[21:54:54] <plantroon> d9a: also depends on what you have installed ... it should be handled by lightdm, if all it does is ask you for a password
• 2835[21:55:09] <plantroon> d9a: doesn't it look similar/the same as lightdm?
• 2836[21:55:11] <d9a> plantroon: It's not even getting that far
• 2837[21:55:18] <d9a> It goes black and then doesn't respond.
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• 2839[21:55:34] <plantroon> did you try siwtching virtual consoles (ctrl+alt+F1-6) ?
• 2840[21:55:44] <plantroon> maybe it switched you to another vt
• 2841[21:55:50] <d9a> Yes.
• 2842[21:55:55] <d9a> Nothing worked
• 2843[21:56:10] <d9a> Once I tapped power, it started shutdown and showed me the systemd messages
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• 2846[21:56:59] <d9a> plantroon: I don't have it in front of me, so I will have to take a look later. Thank you
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• 2848[21:57:05] <livebrain> maybe keyboard not working in X
• 2849[21:57:15] <livebrain> and you cant switch to ctrl alt f1
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• 2903[22:24:12] <brenlae> hi, quick question - i keep having to enter a password to unlock default keyring when opening chrome on buster, how can i change this so i don't have to enter a password?
• 2904[22:24:16] <brenlae> is there some config file?
• 2905[22:24:29] <brenlae> using XFCE
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• 2907[22:26:10] <brenlae> i mean apparently if i had chosen to choose to have passwords unencrypted it would be fine
• 2908[22:26:13] <brenlae> :(
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• 2910[22:27:32] <mtn> brenlae: turn off autologin or set a blank password with seahorse
• 2911[22:27:40] <brenlae> thanks :)
• 2912[22:27:57] <mtn> welcome
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• 2929[22:36:33] <ksenia> Hello. What classical (not JS-intensive) forum software can I use in Debian 10? PhpBB 3.2 does not work with Debian’s PHP version.
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• 2933[22:37:59] <jxel> mmmmmmm i love watching commands urn
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• 2940[22:41:09] <greycat> replaced-url
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• 2960[22:52:31] <twobitsprite> how does df know to list only certain mounts, and not all the fusectl, cgroup, tmpfs, etc mounts? i.e, why is the 'df' output so nicely pruned of all the noise the 'mount' output has?
• 2961[22:53:35] <twobitsprite> or, maybe more broadly, how can I get 'mount' info without doing `mount | grep -v '^cgroup\|^fusectl\|tmpfs\|....'` ?
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• 2966[22:55:29] <twobitsprite> (actually, I guess df does list tmpfs, but it definitely skips a lot of mounts that mount lists)
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• 2970[22:56:58] <twobitsprite> ((and no, I'm not looking for parsable output, just a more convenient way to list mounts interractively without seeing all the garbage)
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• 2972[22:57:01] <twobitsprite> )
• 2973[22:57:27] <jxel> hii :D
• 2974[22:57:30] <jxel> how are we all?
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• 2988[23:01:05] <bay-max> Hi, I just did an apt dist-upgrade from 10.1 to 10.2, is a reboot required after doing that, or is that just when upgrading to new major versions (e.g., from 9 to 10) ?
• 2989[23:01:41] <pifpaf> why not mutter window manager and AJAX? any another idea?
• 2990[23:02:00] <greycat> If you don't reboot, you'll continue using the older version of systemd. Not a huge deal. But there were some kernel upgrades shortly before 10.2, so if you haven't rebooted for THOSE yet, then that's a bigger deal.
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• 2993[23:02:32] <bay-max> greycat: I think I'll do a reboot then just in case.
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• 2995[23:02:48] <bay-max> Thanks.
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• 2999[23:04:26] <mordof> Hi everyone. I've got an MSI PE60 6QE laptop (msi prestige they're commonly called) trying to run Debian 10.2. Hardware is Intel HD graphics, with a gtx 960M. I've tried everythign I could find for several hours googling how to make multiple displays work on this (it looks like X is only running on the intel graphics, and not using the secondary
• 3000[23:04:26] <mordof> gpu.. ). I'd like to just be able to get all 3 monitors working. At this point I don't care if it's through GPU or intel or both or whatever
• 3001[23:04:37] <mordof> if anyone is able to help get me sorted out, I'd greatly appreciate it
• 3002[23:05:00] <mordof> tried using nouveau. then tried removing that and using nvidia-drivers
• 3003[23:05:40] <mordof> i've gotten past the login issue with `nomodeset quiet splash` in the grub options...
• 3004[23:06:15] <mordof> I currently also have nouveau blacklisted for modprobes or w/e it's called
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• 3039[23:33:38] <Guest44531> Hello how do i allow a regular user to mount using sshfs an ftp share?
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• 3043[23:35:28] <wwilliam> I am not sure if you saw me i was not identified...
• 3044[23:35:31] <wwilliam> Hello how do i allow a regular user to mount using sshfs an ftp share?
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• 3048[23:36:36] <darthvader> whatsup everybody?
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• 3064[23:50:51] <mumu63> what about install ppa snap at /opt
• 3065[23:51:01] <mumu63> ?
• 3066[23:51:29] <mumu63> and /home/user/opt
• 3067[23:53:30] <somiaj> ppa's are .debs and .debs won't usually install in opt
• 3068[23:53:31] <mumu63> fbhdfghbfd
• 3069[23:53:33] <somiaj> !don't break debian
• 3070[23:53:33] <dpkg> methinks dont break debian is replaced-url
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• 3073[23:54:15] <somiaj> ^^ has some useful info about how to deal with software that isn't include in debian. And /opt or $HOME/opt are both reasonable places to install local software, just don't use a ppa with apt for this.
• 3074[23:54:53] <twobitsprite> mumu63: why do you need it in /opt
• 3075[23:54:54] <twobitsprite> ?
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• 3077[23:55:15] <mumu63> somiaj ppa are ppa's, not main, contrib, universe
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• 3079[23:55:22] <mumu63> maybe /opt/usr/bin /opt/usr/lib
• 3080[23:55:41] <mumu63> same for 4HOME
• 3081[23:55:59] <somiaj> ppa's are just another apt repo of packages built for ubuntu, not debian. It is not supported to use them to install software in debian. Read the don't break debian link I shared
• 3082[23:56:14] <mumu63> $HOME
• 3083[23:56:53] <somiaj> replaced-url
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• 3087[23:58:27] <mumu63> ok, but in my opinion let user decide how to proceed with third party non-standard software
• 3088[23:58:28] <mumu63> nothing impossible /opt/usr/bin opt/usr/lib or these at $HOME
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• 3092[23:59:12] <somiaj> of course, but installing random .debs from PPAs is not suggested or support. The .debs will not install to the places you listed by default.
• 3093[23:59:15] <mumu63> or sintaxe, sudo ppa update/install
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• 3095[23:59:59] <somiaj> also ppa packages are not built against debian libs and in many cases just won't work, flatpak, snap, or other methods are far more reliable.
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