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0[00:00:05] <leba2> Iridos, TomTomTosh: then why does this
happen out of the box
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4[00:01:13] <Iridos> leba2, because this used the CD1 image?
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7[00:02:02] <Iridos> anyway, I don't see the drama of
commenting out a single line
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8[00:02:34] <Iridos> or deleting it
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12[00:03:19] <Iridos> I so much don't see the drama that I
am completely unable to recall if I had to do it for the netinst
image
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18[00:07:21] <Iridos> 60 lines of text for the instruction
"remove the line starting with cdrom: in
/etc/apt/sources.list"
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19[00:07:24] <Iridos> weee
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21[00:07:43] <leba2> Is there a way to manually configure
network and network time from Debian installer?
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39[00:10:23] <TTT> hi, is it possible to force a device name
for a wireless card. I have a ath9k chip, and I replaced my card,
and it went from wlan1 to wlp4s0
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40[00:10:30] <TTT> I want it to be wlan1
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41[00:11:12] <TTT> i checked parameters for ath* kernel
modules, it doesn't look like there's anything there
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42[00:12:00] <TTT> udev?
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43[00:12:42] <TTT> got it, it looks like I can change it in
udev rules
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45[00:13:25] <Kiril> hello guys
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47[00:13:48] <Kiril> can you help me around
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49[00:14:08] <TTT> Kiril, what's wrong?
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52[00:14:19] <Kiril> my goal is to setup debian as a dhcp
client once on the one lan card and dhcp server on the other
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56[00:15:39] <TTT> Kiril, i think you can do client in
/etc/network/interfaces on the iface where it needs to be a client
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57[00:16:10] <TTT> which dhcp server are you using,
isc-dhcp-server?
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62[00:17:28] <TTT> Kiril, for that one, you can change
/etc/default/isc-dhcp-server, and set the interface on which the
server runs
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63[00:17:43] <leba2> Is there a way to manually configure
network and network time from Debian installer?
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66[00:18:31] <mtn> leba2: configuring the network is one of the
first things the installer does.
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68[00:18:37] <MeanEYE> Anyone running Debian testing has issues
with segafuling programs.
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70[00:18:49] <MeanEYE> Today's update broke something
really badly.
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71[00:18:57] <TTT> leba2, for network time, look at nbd-client
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73[00:19:00] <markybob> MeanEYE: read /topic about testing
support
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74[00:19:07] <MeanEYE> God damn it.
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75[00:19:21] <MeanEYE> If people there actually answered
questions I wouldn't ask them here.
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76[00:19:35] <MeanEYE> I asked there and as usual silence.
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77[00:20:08] <markybob> the attitude helps. it's off topic
here. be patient.
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85[00:21:52] <MeanEYE> I know it doesn't. But I get told
that same thing every time.
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86[00:21:56] <MeanEYE> It's annoying.
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88[00:22:25] <leba2> Ah... but I just thought there was an
actual way to manually configure them from installer *without*
letting it do it automatically.
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89[00:22:25] <TTT> gotta reboot, bye
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93[00:23:21] <markybob> MeanEYE: if you're not okay with
such things don't run testing.
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98[00:26:44] <Keyboard_> Hi
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99[00:26:49] <Keyboard_>
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108[00:29:44] <MeanEYE> markybob, I am okay with it. I was just
wondering if someone else experienced the same issue.
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111[00:29:57] <MeanEYE> It's actually nvidia binary blob.
Surprise surprise.
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112[00:30:03] <MeanEYE> In case someone else comes asking.
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134[00:40:14] <Jeffrey01> Hi
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139[00:41:38] <teraflops> hola
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140[00:42:16] <Jeffrey01> Wow teraflops
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141[00:42:30] <teraflops> sip
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143[00:43:08] <Jeffrey01> Eres un hacker de debian?
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144[00:43:19] <teraflops> no
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146[00:44:45] <markybob> nothing. back on topic.
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151[00:45:16] <Jeffrey01> What topic
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152[00:45:21] <markybob> !tell Jeffrey01 about offtopic
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155[00:46:38] <Jeffrey01> markybob: i have an issue in debian
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161[00:49:07] <socomm> Jeffrey01: /join #debian-es
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162[00:49:19] <leba2> It's said here Debian 8.5 uses by
default vi instead of vim. Well, if I just type "vi" I get
that I'm running *vim*. Anyway, with command :set nocp I got
back my known vim functionality, except that I cannot backspace
beyond lines!
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163[00:49:24] <leba2> I have to use Del key.
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164[00:49:27] <leba2> WTH....
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166[00:49:58] <socomm> Jeffrey01: Canal Espanol de Debian.
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169[00:50:28] <socomm> leba2: Did you install vim/
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172[00:50:53] <Jeffrey01> socomm: I know speak English, but
thanks
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174[00:51:18] <socomm> Jeffrey01: Okay, amigou.
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175[00:51:20] <Jeffrey01> Why pcsc-tools doesn't work in
debian?
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179[00:52:25] <teraflops> it doesn't?
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180[00:52:39] <socomm> You'll have to be more specific.
What doesn't work? Is there a particular error you're
getting?
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183[00:53:43] <Jeffrey01> Socomm, it is searching the card
reader all the time
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185[00:54:03] <Jeffrey01> It doesn't recognise my card
reader
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187[00:54:37] <Jeffrey01> I tried it in Ubuntu, and it works
perfectly
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188[00:54:46] <Jeffrey01> But not in debian
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189[00:55:18] <socomm> Jeffrey01: Ubuntu, never heard of that.
Does it run on x86 computers?
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191[00:55:45] <btcNeverSleeps> Jeffrey01: I just arrived in the
channel but... Had to use the latest Debian stretch / Debian 9 alpha
to get several chipsets of my mobo recognized (and my M.2 SDD as
well)
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192[00:55:52] <Jeffrey01> 64 bits
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193[00:56:12] <socomm> Jeffrey01: Maybe its a driver issue. Do
you have correct kernel modules loaded for your card reader?
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194[00:57:05] <up2late> any suggestions for cool lxde themes?
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195[00:57:07] <Jeffrey01> Pcsc-tools is the driver
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196[00:57:36] <Jeffrey01> What do you mean with kernel modules?
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198[00:57:53] <socomm>
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200[00:58:09] <socomm> I thought pcsc-tools were just tools, not
necessarily the driver.
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201[00:58:37] <teraflops> Jeffrey01: is your reader here
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204[01:00:01] <socomm> Jeffrey01: Do you know the make+model of
your card reader?
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205[01:00:19] <leba2> socomm: no, this is a default Debian 8.5
minimal install. Yet, when running vi by just typing "vi"
the welcome text says I'm running *vim*.
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209[01:02:08] <Jeffrey01> socomm: woxter smart card reader combo
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210[01:02:17] <jmcnaught> leba2: it's the vim-tiny package.
you can read the description and also "update-alternatives
--display vi" to see what provides vi
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211[01:03:20] <teraflops> leba2: vi is an old editor, vim is
vi(improved) and it's a superset so when you install vim vi
defaults to vim
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212[01:03:31] <teraflops> or that's what I think :P
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216[01:04:33] <socomm> I thought vim and vi were two different
programs. Although on some distros I've seen vi get linked to
vim.
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223[01:05:54] <leba2> jmcnaught, socomm, teraflops: wow, I
installed the package vim once and for all, now it works like it
should indeed! Even by just using command vi instead of vim I got my
known functionality! Perhaps it's like jmcnaught just said?
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225[01:06:28] <leba2> But even if so, is it that "normal
complete vim" overrides "vim-tiny"?
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230[01:07:43] <teraflops> leba2: no idea I switched to neovim
time ago :P
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234[01:09:27] <Jeffrey01> It should works.. Because it's an
USB card reader. I think pcsc-tools (and others libraries) are
sufficient to maintain a communication with the card. It's an
abstraction to have the communication between all readers
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235[01:09:51] <socomm> leba2: Probably just a symlink.
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236[01:09:53] <jmcnaught> leba2: yes the vim package you just
installed overrides the vim-tiny package using Debian's
alternatives system. You can also install vim-nox or vim-gnome for
more features
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238[01:10:11] <teraflops> Jeffrey01: nope
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243[01:11:34] <socomm> Jeffrey01: See teraflops link for
supported SC readers.
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247[01:11:48] <jmcnaught> actually the example on the
update-alternatives man page is vi
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251[01:12:43] <leba2> jmcnaught: wait, I had never heard about
this "vim-tiny" thing. What a horrible vim version!
It's not usable out of the box, and the only way to make it
more usable (though not 100%) is by starting with ":set
nocp"!
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252[01:13:02] <Jeffrey01> socomm: and you mean that in debian
there are things I can't do..... And I can in Ubuntu...... (?)
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258[01:14:12] <teraflops> Jeffrey01: sure youre smart enough to
figure it out, maybe newer kernel, maybe pcsc-tools from
backports…
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259[01:15:02] <teraflops> maybe looking at the lsusb output and
searching the intertubes…
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260[01:15:03] <Jeffrey01> Yes, I tried that.. Unless one thing
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265[01:16:15] <Jeffrey01> How can I update all dependencies of
one package?
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266[01:16:26] <teraflops> even (is you have ubuntu at hand, ans
you have time) you can see what it changes there
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267[01:16:41] <teraflops> s/is/if
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268[01:16:52] <somiaj> Jeffrey01: why do you want to just update
all dependencies of one package?
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271[01:17:31] <leba2> Also, can someone explain me what's
" eval "`dircolors`" " for? I wanted bash colors
back, so found this
replaced-url
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273[01:17:55] <Jeffrey01> somiaj: because I think that
pcsc-tools doesn't work because its old dependencies
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274[01:18:02] <somiaj> leba2: that can be used to set the colors
of different files like .tex, .sh, .pdf, etc
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275[01:18:34] <somiaj> Jeffrey01: you are talking about the
version of pcsc-tools in jessie-backports?
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276[01:18:37] <teraflops> leba2: as in
replaced-url
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277[01:18:38] <somiaj> ,v pcsc-tools
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278[01:18:39] <judd> Package: pcsc-tools on amd64 -- squeeze:
1.4.16-1; wheezy: 1.4.20-1; jessie: 1.4.23-1; stretch: 1.4.26-1;
sid: 1.4.27-1
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280[01:19:21] <somiaj> actually there is no version in
jessie-backports, if you want to run a newer version in jessie than
1.4.23, you'll have to make your own backport
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281[01:19:44] <Jeffrey01> somiaj: no. My version of pcsc-tools
is the last. Maybe its dependencies are very old
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283[01:20:08] <somiaj> Jeffrey01: what do you mean the latest?
What version of debian are you running?
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284[01:20:15] <teraflops> Jeffrey01: are you in debian jessie?
you said the latest
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285[01:20:18] <teraflops> heh
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287[01:20:28] <Jeffrey01> somiaj: yes sorry, the latest
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288[01:20:40] <somiaj> Jeffrey01: are you installing packages
from testing/unstable in a jessie system?
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289[01:20:42] <Jeffrey01> Yes, Jessie
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290[01:20:46] <teraflops> Jeffrey01: nah it's fine but are
you in debian stable?
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291[01:21:02] <teraflops> dang sorry im slow
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292[01:21:06] <Jeffrey01> Yes, Jessie stable
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294[01:21:25] <Jeffrey01> And I have the latest version of
pcsc-tools
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297[01:21:47] <Jeffrey01> It works in Ubuntu but not in debian
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298[01:21:55] <somiaj> Jeffrey01: you have yet to clear up what
you mean by latest, please paste the outuput of 'apt-cache
policy pcsc-tools' at paste.debian.net
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299[01:22:03] <Jeffrey01> Maybe it is because the dependencies
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305[01:22:52] <somiaj> Jeffrey01: note, debian stable is frozen,
and comes with an older version of pcsc-tools compared to ubuntu.
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309[01:23:38] <leba2> somiaj, teraflops: sorry, still cannot get
it. In /etc/bash.bashrc, by just adding only this one line at the
end " alias ls='ls --color=auto' " I get bash
colors like I know them!
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310[01:23:55] <Jeffrey01> somiaj: I installed pcsc-tools from
official website, with the source code. I didn't install it
from apt
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312[01:24:17] <markybob> !frankenddebian
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313[01:24:30] <markybob> !frankendebian
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314[01:24:30] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random
repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and
derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone
can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and
#debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can
convince ##linux to help.
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315[01:24:35] <teraflops> leba2: that's fine I like my own
set of colors so I tune .dircolors
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317[01:25:05] <Jeffrey01> And now I'm not at pc. I
can't try that somiaj
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319[01:25:53] <leba2> teraflops: wait, so dircolors is only in
case I have custom colors?
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320[01:26:06] <leba2> If not, I can just use color=auto?
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322[01:26:20] <teraflops> leba2: imagine you want jpg files pink
when you do ls :P
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323[01:26:32] <Jeffrey01> So I thought it is because debian use
old packages...
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326[01:26:47] <Jeffrey01> Uses*
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327[01:26:57] <leba2> So it's just for customization
purposes....
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328[01:27:09] <teraflops> right
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329[01:27:09] <somiaj> leba2: all the eval colors does is set
different things. Do you notice with the default ls --color=auto
(without running dircolors) that files with extensions like .tex,
.pdf, etc get color, or is it only color directories (blue), and
executable files (green)
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331[01:27:49] <leba2> I think they had...
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332[01:27:58] <leba2> *did have
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334[01:28:10] <cmtptr> can someone please explain to a
out-of-the-loop person what's going on with iceweasel/firefox?
I gather that debian is migrating to firefox-branded firefox, but
why does it want to upgrade my iceweasel to this firefox-esr thing?
is there a non-esr firefox?
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335[01:28:13] <teraflops> leba2: try it and see^
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336[01:28:23] <somiaj> leba2: but that eval line isn't
needed to see color, but I do use it to make some custom changes to
what different .foo files look like.
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338[01:28:42] <Jeffrey01> I have to go people, thanks for your
help :)
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339[01:28:44] <leba2> Thanks.
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340[01:28:47] <teraflops> Jeffrey01: np
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341[01:28:49] <leba2> Need to go
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343[01:29:25] <somiaj> cmtptr: iceweasel in stable has always
been firefox esr
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347[01:30:14] <cmtptr> ah, I didn't realize that. so
they're just calling it firefox-esr now, even though
there's still no firefox package?
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348[01:30:32] <somiaj> cmtptr: and the security policy in debian
has been to give the current esr version of firefox for security
fixes in stable. It is just now it is called firefox, not firefox
esr
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351[01:31:59] <cmtptr> huh? if I type apt-cache policy firefox
it says: Candidate: (none) Version table: <nothing>
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353[01:33:29] <somiaj> cmtptr: there is a firefox package in
sid, but unsure if future releases are going to provide both firefox
and firefox-esr, or if this is going to be provided through
mozilla.debian.net
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354[01:33:40] <mrrhq> cmtptr: Iceweasel IS now Firefox, to be
clear about it. They got the whole licencing issue sorted out.
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356[01:33:47] <somiaj> cmtptr: mozilla.debian.net has proivded
the non-esr version of iceweasel for those who want it.
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358[01:34:17] <somiaj> ,v firefox
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359[01:34:18] <judd> Package: firefox on amd64 --
jessie-backports/firefox-release: 47.0.1-1~bpo80+1; sid: 47.0.1-1;
experimental: 48.0~b1-1
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506[02:30:53] <Dirkson> Hey all. Finally trying to work with
systemd... how do I see what happened what I attempt to start a
service? It seems to be silently failing on me.
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511[02:34:00] <jim> is it systemdctl or journalctl? I forget
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512[02:34:40] <jim> or maybe systemctl
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525[02:39:37] <jim> systemctl seems to be a thing... try
systemctl list-units
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527[02:40:03] <Dirkson> jim: Yeah, I found that, but I
can't find the portion of it that outputs what's going on.
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528[02:40:59] <jim> so you wanted to find a service and whether
it got started or not... right?
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530[02:41:34] <Dirkson> jim: My service is listed there, and it
isn't in red. But it isn't currently running.
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536[02:42:17] <jim> ok,,, what's its name?
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537[02:42:27] <Dirkson> jim: anope
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540[02:43:05] <jim> does it say in the list-units listing
whether it's active?
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542[02:43:43] <Dirkson> jim: It says "loaded"
"active" "existed". I am unsure what each word
means.
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543[02:43:56] <jim> exited?
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544[02:44:19] <Dirkson> jim: There are three columns of status.
It doesn't really give a breakdown of what each solumn is
supposed to mean.
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547[02:44:52] <jim> the third word, is it "existed" or
"exited"?
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548[02:45:07] <Dirkson> jim: Ah, sorry. "exited".
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552[02:46:22] <jim> so the following is a guess... I think some
of these "units" start services, and others just run once,
it may be that your anope service is in the latter category
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556[02:47:15] <jim> maybe you want your anope service to be
"started"
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557[02:47:18] <Dirkson> jim: That'd indicate an unnoticed
debian bug in a major package, which are fairly rare. This IS a
backports package, though.
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558[02:48:21] <Dirkson> The lack of feedback from
"systemctl start anope.service" is really frustrating. It
just drops me back to the command line. Did you run it?
Successfully? Unsuccessfully? Did it have any output? These are
things I'd generally be interesting in knowing.
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561[02:50:03] <jim> oh, ok... so this is at the edge of my
knowledge... and since I do want to learn more of systemd, it's
probably worth it to me to continue... before going any further,
what's anope do?
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563[02:50:58] <Dirkson> jim: It's services for IRC servers.
"nickserv", "chanserv", and the like. It's
not my first choice, but the debian package of my first choice
doesn't have a module I need.
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566[02:53:09] <Dirkson> jim: This is my first time interacting
in any major way with systemd. So far, I am not having a very
enjoyable experience.
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567[02:53:37] <jim> are you also putting up an ircd?
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569[02:54:23] <Dirkson> jim: Yup, it's up fine and I'm
connected. I could definitely have screwed up configuring anope...
But normally I'd tell that by watching the output of the
startup attempt. And I can't find that in systemd
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572[02:58:05] <wh0ami> hi guys
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575[02:58:24] <wh0ami> im trying to upgrade my distro from
wheezy to jessie
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576[02:58:28] <wh0ami> but i got a problem with it
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577[02:59:13] <wh0ami>
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583[03:03:27] <jim> wh0ami, you might want to first bring it
uptodate with the latest-possible wheezy before going on to jessie
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584[03:03:33] <jim> but what's going on/
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585[03:03:35] <jim> ?
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586[03:04:00] <wh0ami> after installing and configuring a lot of
packages
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587[03:04:07] <wh0ami> it shows conflict with udev
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589[03:04:47] <wh0ami> jim:
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591[03:05:55] <jim> is that the jessie udev?
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595[03:07:21] <jim> also, what's your uname -r? and, a
listing of /boot to see which kernels there are would be good
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598[03:08:31] <jim> ,v apt
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599[03:08:33] <judd> Package: apt on amd64 -- squeeze:
0.8.10.3+squeeze1; squeeze-security-lts: 0.8.10.3+squeeze7;
wheezy-security: 0.9.7.9+deb7u6; wheezy: 0.9.7.9+deb7u7; jessie:
1.0.9.8.3; sid: 1.2.14; stretch: 1.2.14; experimental: 1.3~exp3
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600[03:09:11] <jim> that's definitely the jessie version of
apt
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601[03:10:12] <jim> what's it doing right now?
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608[03:12:51] <wh0ami> jim: uname -r 3.8.13-xxxx-grs-ipv6-64
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609[03:13:13] <wh0ami> ls /boot/
System.map-3.8.13-xxxx-grs-ipv6-64 bzImage-3.8.13-xxxx-grs-ipv6-64
grub
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610[03:13:32] <jim> ok, you want the debian one for 3.16
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614[03:14:00] <jim> which isnt installed right now according to
the ls
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616[03:14:48] <jim> wh0ami, and, please answer this: what is
your machine doing right now?
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617[03:15:02] <wh0ami> jim: what do u mean with that?
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620[03:15:30] <jim> are you runnign the dist-upgrade now? or is
it exited?
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621[03:15:34] <wh0ami>
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622[03:15:36] <jim> or, what is it doing?
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624[03:16:01] <wh0ami> yeah it was running dist-upgrade, i
rebooted, apt-get update and apt-get upgrade i see a lot not
installed packets and then i did again dist-upgrade
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626[03:16:41] <jim> do you have aptitude?
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627[03:17:10] <wh0ami> jim: if you refer to command yes
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630[03:17:56] <jim> ok, try this: (nothing else right now):
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632[03:18:30] <jim> aptitude install linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64
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633[03:19:04] <jim> it could take awhile to install that,
apparantly it needs other pkgs
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634[03:20:17] <wh0ami> jim:
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635[03:20:43] <xcel-> whats the easiest way to update bios? or
is there some autodetect software im not sure my bios has the proper
power settings
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636[03:20:50] <jmcnaught> Dirkson: did you look at
"systemctl status anope" or "journalctl -u
anope"?
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637[03:21:56] <jim> wh0ami, sec, let me look
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638[03:22:01] <wh0ami> ok
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639[03:22:38] <Dirkson> jmcnaught: Yes and no respectively.
Looking at journalctl -u anope results in a single line tellming me
the dates of nonexistant logs.
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640[03:22:49] <jim> whoa, that is a lot
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641[03:23:08] <jim> say no, and do this instead:
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642[03:23:21] <jim> aptitude -d install
linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64
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644[03:23:43] <jim> the difference is, it will grab the package
files and stop
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645[03:24:16] <jim> you can say yes, go ahead
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646[03:24:18] <wh0ami> keep in the same way
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647[03:24:19] <wh0ami> ok
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649[03:24:32] <wh0ami> then i accept evrything right?
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650[03:24:34] <wh0ami> everything*
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651[03:24:45] * jim winces...
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653[03:25:01] <jmcnaught> Dirkson: that's the output
you're missing then. What happens if you just run
"/etc/init.d/anope start" ? It could be that the program
needs to be configured before it can start properly
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654[03:25:11] <jim> well one thign, how much space is in your
/var?
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655[03:25:49] <jim> (it's going to put the packages in
/var/cache/apt/archives)
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658[03:26:08] <Dirkson> jmcnaught: No output
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659[03:26:21] <wh0ami> jim: /dev/root 20G 7.6G 11G 42% /
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660[03:26:29] <wh0ami> i think not enough
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661[03:26:47] <jim> maybe that is enoughf
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663[03:27:00] <jim> tell ya what,
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665[03:27:12] <jmcnaught> Dirkson: did you read
/usr/share/doc/anope/README.Debian ?
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666[03:27:21] <jim> do apt-get clean first, then the df /var
again
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668[03:27:51] <wh0ami> 37%
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669[03:28:09] <jim> well show the line
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671[03:28:39] <wh0ami> /dev/root 20026236 6954632 12047656 37% /
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672[03:28:40] <Dirkson> jmcnaught: Nope. Why would I have? I did
successfully configure anope.
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676[03:29:17] <jim> there's a little more space,
your're probably safe to go ahead
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677[03:29:27] <Dirkson> jmcnaught: But that does definitely do
it. Thanks!
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681[03:30:48] <wh0ami> jim: yeah installed :D
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682[03:30:51] <wh0ami> now reboot?
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684[03:31:15] <jmcnaught> Dirkson: it's worth making a
habit of always reading the README.Debian file :)
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687[03:32:36] <jim> wait
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688[03:32:44] <jim> what command did you run?
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689[03:33:45] <jim> (that was -awfully- fast)
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692[03:34:32] <jim> jmcnaught, when you have a moment... what
about writing such a file?
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693[03:34:36] <wh0ami> aptitude -d install
linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64
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694[03:34:37] <Devastator> jmcnaught good evening, you helped me
a lot when I first tried KVM and you suggested the use of LVM, would
you also consider useful using LVM in desktop?
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696[03:35:00] <jim> wh0ami, ok, take the -d off and run it again
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697[03:35:29] <jmcnaught> jim: for anope the README.Debian had
instructions for changing a value in /etc/default/anope to allow it
to start
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698[03:35:52] <jmcnaught> Devastator: i use LVM on all my
desktops
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699[03:35:53] <jim> oh ok :) thanks for the comment
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700[03:37:04] <jmcnaught> jim: i did "apt-get download
anope" and then used mc to read the README
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702[03:37:35] <wh0ami> jim: finished with: Current status: 233
updates [-46].
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703[03:37:48] <Devastator> jmcnaught if I tell you the size of
my hdd (or the partition I made for linux), would you give me your
suggestion on how should I use that space while partitioning? eg, /,
swap and /home
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707[03:38:45] <jim> wh0ami, ok, could you do... ls /boot | nc
termbin.com 9999
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709[03:39:27] <wh0ami>
replaced-url
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711[03:39:41] <jmcnaught> Devastator: what i recommend doing is
using the guided partitioning with LVM, then go to the configure LVM
screen, delete the largest volume (either / or /home), create it
again but smaller, (and remember to configure the mount point on the
main partitioning screen).. this way you have space left over that
you can allocated to whichever volume needs it later (or use it for
snapshots or new volumes)
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713[03:39:57] <jim> hmm. it's not there
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714[03:40:04] <jim> hold off, don't reboot
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715[03:40:34] <jim> what was the last command you ran before the
ls /boot?
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716[03:40:53] <jmcnaught> wh0ami: what kind of system is this?
Is it a VPS?
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720[03:41:44] <wh0ami> aptitude install
linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64
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721[03:41:44] <Devastator> jmcnaught for 240GB and 16GB of RAM,
how would you partition it? 10GB /, 2GB swap and 150GB /home?
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722[03:41:54] <wh0ami> if u need whole output
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723[03:41:58] <wh0ami> jmcnaught: a dedicated server
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725[03:42:40] <jmcnaught> Devastator: you probably want more
space on / if you're not going to leave unallocated space
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729[03:43:57] <jmcnaught> wh0ami: i think you're dealing
with a problem where udev package will not upgrade because of a
missing kernel feature, so you're trying to switch to a debian
kernel to complete the upgrade.. is that correct?
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731[03:44:22] <wh0ami> jmcnaught: yes
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732[03:44:32] <wh0ami> not sure if is the best choice or not
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733[03:45:01] <jmcnaught> wh0ami: where did that strange kernel
come from?
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734[03:45:03] <jim> thats what I thought would work
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735[03:45:22] <wh0ami> from ovh
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736[03:45:27] <wh0ami> i didnt changed the kernel
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737[03:45:41] <Devastator> jmcnaught well, using that as base, I
would still have 78GB unallocated
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738[03:45:44] <jmcnaught> does ovh have instructions on
upgrading to jessie with their custom kernel/derivative
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741[03:46:19] <jmcnaught> Devastator: sounds okay then,
you'll probably need to make / larger at some point. Also if
you want to hibernate make sure you have enough swap to hold your
RAM
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744[03:46:43] <jim> when you have a moment... what's ovh?
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745[03:47:09] <jmcnaught> jim: OVH is a hosting provider
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746[03:47:11] <wh0ami> jmcnaught: i have no idea
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747[03:47:14] <wh0ami> yeah
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748[03:47:20] <jim> oh ok
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751[03:47:57] <somiaj> Are they using a shared kernel using lxc
containers? It might not be possible to upgrade if so.
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752[03:48:00] <jim> so the jist must be... they have their own
kernels meant to run with their service
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753[03:48:14] <jmcnaught> wh0ami: you should ask them or look on
their knowledge base, it can't be the first time one of their
customers has tried to upgrade a server to jessie
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754[03:48:34] <Devastator> jmcnaught hum, so maybe 15GB /, 32GB
swap (should be double RAM size or same amount) and 150GB /home,
would leave me with 43GB unallocated
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755[03:48:50] <Devastator> about the RAM, it was a question hehe
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756[03:48:57] <Devastator> I forgot the question mark
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757[03:49:16] <jmcnaught> Devastator: that swap size might be
overkill. as far as i know the swap only needs enough space to hold
the used memory
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759[03:51:06] <Devastator> jmcnaught I guess I will use 16GB to
match the ram size then, does the rest look sane? reasonable?
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5days 51mins 55secs
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766[03:53:03] <jmcnaught> Devastator: it looks okay to me. I
have 8GB of RAM and an 8GB swap, usually i'm only using about
half of my RAM
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768[03:53:41] <Devastator> jmcnaught and if you don't mind
me asking, which Window Manager do you use?
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770[03:54:09] <jmcnaught> Devastator: gnome
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772[03:55:24] <Devastator> jmcnaught thank you, I think I'm
all set :)
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776[03:56:12] <jmcnaught> Devastator: you're welcome
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804[04:14:05] <FuriousGeorge> hey all
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807[04:15:00] <FuriousGeorge> nvidia hdmi audio is driving me
nuts. i see the sound card on each of my gpu's when i lscpi,
however aplacy -l returns "no soundcards found"
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809[04:15:44] <FuriousGeorge> and i know i've had it
working with these same cards on a different motherboard, but the
motherboard should not matter, i'd think
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810[04:16:02] <FuriousGeorge> i have the onboard sound disabled
in the bios, but that should also not matter, i'd think
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813[04:16:22] <Kiril> hello
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814[04:16:29] <Kiril> could you help me around here.
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815[04:16:44] <Kiril> So i have a linux server running debian
8.5
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816[04:16:51] <Kiril> i have two lan cards
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819[04:17:35] <Kiril> my point is to use one for wan eth1
(recieving via dhcp client ) and the other eth0 for local network
with wi-fi router
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821[04:18:08] <Kiril> i am not sure why and where something is
broken and only the linux server is alive
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822[04:18:19] <Kiril> and i don't have i-net access to the
router
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825[04:19:07] <jim> I run this old package, they took it out of
debian, but I fixed it and it works (as long as the kernel has
iptables)
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826[04:19:16] <jim> it's called ipmasq
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831[04:21:35] <wh0ami> thanks for all ur help jim
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832[04:21:40] <wh0ami> ill see tomorrow what to do
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833[04:21:43] <jim> what it does is look at your interfaces, and
using that information (including, which one has the default route
and can therefore get to the rest of the internet), and
"calculates" a firewall, and uses iptables to assemble
what it calculated
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835[04:21:45] <wh0ami> bye
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837[04:21:52] <dvs> !v iptables-persistent
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838[04:22:01] <dvs> ,v iptables-persistent
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839[04:22:02] <judd> Package: iptables-persistent on amd64 --
squeeze: 0.0.20100801; wheezy: 0.5.7+deb7u1; jessie: 1.0.3+deb8u1;
sid: 1.0.4; stretch: 1.0.4
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840[04:22:57] <Kiril> so could you help me ?
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842[04:23:18] <jim> I could make this thing available
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843[04:23:54] <Kiril> tcl-tls is kind of too old too
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844[04:24:00] <Kiril> must be fixed asap
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845[04:24:19] <jim> dunno what that is
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848[04:24:43] <Kiril> rc tcl-tls 1.6+dfsg-3 amd64 TLS OpenSSL
extension to Tcl
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849[04:24:51] <jim> are your interfaces configured?
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850[04:24:58] <Kiril> i believe so
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851[04:25:14] <jim> I'll get you the sources
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852[04:25:30] <jim> you can just build the package, it's
pretty easy
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853[04:25:38] <Kiril> latest version of this package is 1.6.7
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854[04:26:01] <Kiril> a lof of people using tcl need this and
can't because it's old
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855[04:26:11] <jim> (just so you know, I'm not talking
about this tcl thing)
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856[04:26:22] <Kiril> i have already sent two emails to the
owner of this package
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857[04:26:26] <Kiril> no response from him
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859[04:26:57] <Kiril> jim , about my issue with the network
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860[04:27:02] <jim> sec, let me see if I can find ths thing
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861[04:27:09] <Kiril> what do you need like info to try to
resolve it
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862[04:27:39] <jim> locate it, which I just did
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863[04:27:45] <Kiril>
replaced-url
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865[04:28:18] <jim> but (again) I'm not talking about this
tcl tls thing)
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866[04:28:28] <Kiril> ah ;)
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867[04:28:31] <Kiril> sorry
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868[04:28:36] <jim> np
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870[04:28:53] <Kiril> this package will help me how?
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872[04:29:27] <jim> by performing the routing between
interfaces, such that you have an internal net behind a masq
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876[04:29:58] <jim> is that something you'd be interested
in?
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877[04:30:04] <Kiril> i believe so
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879[04:30:32] <jim> ok, where can I put these two files...
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881[04:31:22] <jim> where can I put a .tar.gz so you can get it?
(like a pastebin for binary files)
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882[04:31:40] <Kiril> no matter
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883[04:31:52] <Kiril> do you have some web server
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884[04:32:01] <Kiril> where i can download it via whet
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887[04:32:59] <jim> I dont, that's why I'm wondering
how to get these files to you
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890[04:33:45] <Kiril> use for example zippyshare.com
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894[04:37:05] <jim>
replaced-url
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901[04:38:27] <jim> (now if you've made some iptables
rules, you might want to get rid of them)
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904[04:39:46] <jim> a couple other things you might want to set
up, is a dns, and a dhcp server to hand out IPs in the range of your
internal net
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906[04:42:07] <jim> let me know when you have the files
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914[04:45:56] <Kiril> rdy
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915[04:46:00] <Kiril> downloaded
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917[04:46:27] <jim> ok, make a dir to put them both in (or maybe
you did that)
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921[04:47:20] <Kiril> rdy
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923[04:47:50] <jim> then type... dpkg-source -x *.dsc
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924[04:48:40] <Kiril>
replaced-url
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927[04:50:47] <jim> it did the extraction... (just failed to
check signature)
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929[04:51:52] <jim> then, cd ipmasq-4.0.8
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931[04:52:36] <Kiril> yes
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936[04:54:58] <jim> (if you look at debian/control you'll
see there are depends... so:) aptitude install debhelper
debiandoc-sgml iptables
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938[04:56:17] <jim> let me know when that's done... the
versions in jessie should be fine
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944[04:58:02] <computer> is there a way to use the debian auto
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945[04:58:23] <computer> i mean, exclude grub
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947[04:58:39] <Akuw> once a encrypted file system is mounted,
when i umount and mount again don't request password?
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965[05:06:47] <computer> ah - found my answer - thanks all!
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975[05:09:16] <socomm> You're welcome.
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982[05:19:32] <Akuw> i encrypt one partition and can access
without problem, but after restart got cryptsetup: lvm is not
available
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983[05:20:14] <awal1> A bit confused here about cron / updatedb
/mlocate. when cron is run exactly?
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984[05:21:00] <awal1> looked at /etc/default/cron if that's
the cron config file and all is commented, no reference to time
execution
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989[05:24:17] <awal1> just a bit confused because I purged
qemu-kvm & qemu and all there dependencies & recommends
(script has been very helpful) but mlocate still locating almost all
qemu & kvm stuff in etc, var.... But when I check those
directories there is no trace of the files/directories listed by
mlocate
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990[05:24:54] <ryouma> awal1: look at cron.d and stuff?
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992[05:25:44] <Akuw> i encrypt one partition and can access
without problem, but after restart got cryptsetup: lvm is not
available
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995[05:27:10] <orlock> Dumb question time
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997[05:27:28] <orlock> I'm after mysql 5.0.15-1 for etch
i686
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999[05:27:36] <orlock> i'm having some problems finding it
though?
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1000[05:28:10] <ryouma> Akuw: initramfs bug
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1001[05:28:36] <awal1> ryouma, in cron.d/anacron I see "30 7
* * * root test -x /etc/init.d/anacron &&
/usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d anacron start >/dev/null" is that what
you meant?
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1003[05:29:14] <ryouma> awal1: i do not understand your q well
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1006[05:30:44] <ryouma> awal1: tehre are various cron dirs.
locate uses a db. i guess it does not always check for exsistence of
the files before telling you about them. just run the update again
or it will be run for you indue time.
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1007[05:30:58] <ryouma> awal1: for example cron.daily might run
it
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1008[05:31:03] <ryouma> dunno for sure
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1009[05:31:28] <ryouma> yeah, cron.daily
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1013[05:33:47] <awal1> ryouma, i checked all the cron dirs and
files but no explicit reference when cron stuff is run, being called
cron.daly, I guess database is updated once per day
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1016[05:34:32] <ryouma> awal1: yes, once per day
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1017[05:35:08] <awal1> too much commands and stuff to remember
when running gnu/linux. I think for update mlocate database one have
to execute updatedb
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1019[05:36:52] <awal1> I think I'll have to make a desktop
wallpaper with all the commands one should remember :P
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1021[05:38:25] <ryouma> i don't even use locate much
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1022[05:38:39] <ryouma> find is up to date (except i have a weird
bug)
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1023[05:39:12] <orlock> find trawls the filesystem
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1026[05:40:49] <awal1> in updatedb I have seen before I ask
"updatedb is usually run daily by cron(8) to update the default
database." but wanted to be sure about if mlocate still
locating files / dirs of purged pkgs because database is not up to
date
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1027[05:41:08] <awal1> that was my confusion ryouma
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1029[05:41:27] <ryouma> does the locate man page say anything
about confirming?
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1030[05:41:39] <ryouma> if not, then use find
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1031[05:41:52] <ryouma> there is no link that i am aware of
between apt and locate
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1032[05:42:02] <ryouma> (it would be inefficient)
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1034[05:42:36] <ryouma> well, actually in principle it could be
done i suppose
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1035[05:42:59] <awal1> no confirming stuff for locate/mlocate
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1040[05:43:46] <ryouma> find . -name whatever, or even find . |
grep whatever will do
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1043[05:44:22] <orlock> Where might i be able to find
mysql-common_5.0.15-1 for etch?
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1046[05:46:05] <awal1> ryouma, right, find does a better job
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1047[05:46:40] <awal1> sometimes I use find but I have the habit
using mlocate
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1058[05:54:28] <galex-713> Hi
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1059[05:54:38] <galex-713> Why “wiredtiger” package
is built only for amd64?
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1060[05:55:00] <galex-713> I mean, like… I thought the
builds were made automatically on servers, cross-compiling to all
required architectures…
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1074[06:02:20] <up2late> doe debian have a apr-check type
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1075[06:02:26] <up2late> to check for security updates
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1133[06:44:46] <thorie> hello... is a dist-upgrade generally safe
thing to do?
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1134[06:47:16] <jim> you need to prepare for it
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1138[06:47:58] <ryouma> thorie: in my case, going from wheezy to
jessie made x inoperable. i finally figured out that i needed to
load proprietary firmaware. it all depends.
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1140[06:48:17] <jim> however, if you do a dist-upgrade without
changing your sources, you'll get the latest of the version
you're on
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1143[06:50:43] <jim> you might want to back up your hd before you
do it, but certainly you'll want to make sure you have enough
space in /var to hold the .debs, and when actually installing
realize they take space in /usr, /var, a little in /etc, and
sometimes other places
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1150[06:53:01] <jim> a dist-upgrade is -going- to change things.
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1162[06:59:25] <Psi-Jack> I'm having an issue with my newly
installed Debian 8 system. I used the 8.2 Live installer to install
it, so it came with KDE on it, but I've since removed xorg
completely as well as KDE, and for some reason the networking
service itself does not start at boot, even though it is enabled.
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1163[06:59:31] <thorie> jim: well, it's for my vps -- which
only needs mysql, php, apache ... hopefully that is reasonably safe?
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1165[06:59:47] <Psi-Jack> Once I login to the console and
manually systemctl start networking, it works fine.
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1166[07:00:13] <thorie> jim: i'm on Debian version 6.0 ...
should I go directly to Debian 8.0?
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1170[07:01:15] <thorie> maybe i should test that my website works
on Debian 8 with an amazon instance...
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1172[07:01:51] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm
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1173[07:02:19] <Psi-Jack> I see part of the problem. systemctl
is-enabled networking results in an error that there is no
networking.service.
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1175[07:04:47] <thorie> spinning up ec2 instance...
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1177[07:06:56] <PryMar56> Psi-Jack, did you set a default.target
in /etc/systemd/system ?
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1179[07:07:06] <Psi-Jack> multi-user.target
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1180[07:07:48] <PryMar56> Psi-Jack, cheers, thats it
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1182[07:07:59] <Psi-Jack> Yet, networking still doesn't
start during boot.
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1183[07:08:13] <Psi-Jack> OVSwitch does, but not the actual
network devices.
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1186[07:09:39] <PryMar56> Psi-Jack, make sure you still have
systemd-sysv
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1188[07:10:03] <Psi-Jack> Yep, that's installed.
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1189[07:10:20] <PryMar56> Psi-Jack, sudo service --status-all
<--- picks the handful of sysv type services
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1190[07:10:49] <Psi-Jack> Yep. networking is enabled with a + by
it.
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##replaced-url
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1192[07:11:05] <Psi-Jack> network-manager is disabled, with a -
beside it.
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1193[07:11:22] <PryMar56> Psi-Jack, let me see if my
networking.service is symlinked
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1196[07:13:35] <PryMar56> Psi-Jack, its not symlinked or masked,
but I can do: systemctl status networking.service
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1198[07:13:55] <Psi-Jack> Yeah, so can I.
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1199[07:14:04] <Psi-Jack> But, when I boot, it doesn't start
the network. heh
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1200[07:15:13] <xcel-> how do i bring up wlan1?
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1201[07:15:26] <up2late> doe debian have a apr-check type
function?
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1202[07:15:34] <up2late> *apt
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1205[07:18:59] <Psi-Jack>
replaced-url
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1211[07:20:27] <Psi-Jack> When I first boot the system, and check
systemctl status networking, what I see is "Active: inactive
(dead)", and "Loaded: loaded
(/etc/init.d/networking)"
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1213[07:21:35] <xcel-> hmm i have wlan0 working but want to use
wlan1 do i need to disconnect wlan0?
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1220[07:27:15] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm. I wonder if it's openvswitch
itself, but then this was happening on my non-ovs bridge before as
well.
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1221[07:27:37] <Psi-Jack> Overrided the
openvswitch-nonetwork.service
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1223[07:28:19] <_jd> Hi all, what are the chances that unrar on
debian 7.8 has errors extracting packages where as the same archive
on debian 8 works without errors (md5sum of the file is the same)?
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1225[07:29:08] <_jd> s/packages/rar archive
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1264[07:54:42] <ryouma> is there a command that will print a
filename if it exists and not if it does not?
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1267[07:55:03] <ryouma> (inb4 i can fake it with test -f or
something)
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1277[08:00:38] <Psi-Jack> Huh.. networking.service isn;'t
showing up in systemd-analyze blame.
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1278[08:01:08] <Psi-Jack> With or without openvswitch being used
as the bridge layer. Tried bridge-utils and openvswitch methods.
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1279[08:03:09] <Psi-Jack> Blah, well, I'll work on this
tomorrow.
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1285[08:07:22] <FuriousGeorge_> forgive me if im repeating
myself, but pretty sure i was dc before
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1286[08:07:27] <FuriousGeorge_> i think i got kernel crash dumps
working, but whereas I expect a dumpfile in /var/crash, i instead
get a link back to my running kernel.
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1287[08:07:31] <FuriousGeorge_> im using the same kernel as my
running kernel as my dump kernel... could that be the issue?
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1288[08:07:44] <FuriousGeorge_> or is the dumpfile somehow stored
in the kernel image?
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1302[08:15:38] <k_sze[work]> Could somebody take a look at this:
replaced-url
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1303[08:15:45] <k_sze[work]> The bad grammar makes it read like
nonsense.
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1309[08:19:10] <unborn> k_sze[work]: i think you can create
account and do changes on your own no?
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1311[08:19:57] <k_sze[work]> unborn: I would love to, but
I'm not sure what's the correct interpretation of that
section.
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1313[08:20:18] <k_sze[work]> unborn: I was hoping somebody who
understands chroot well enough could fix it. I certainly don't
understand chroot very well.
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1316[08:21:16] <unborn> k_sze[work]: heh I thought you are asking
about grammar issues
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1319[08:22:30] <k_sze[work]> I would have no trouble fixing
grammar issues, as long as I can actually understand the writing
somehow. :P
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1347[08:41:36] <no_gravity> Is there an easy way to set the
terminal title to the correct user@host after sshing into another
machine?
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1362[08:50:11] <g00se> Why is it that /etc must be within same
partition as / and yet /var and others don't?
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1363[08:50:22] <sumi> hello
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1365[08:51:08] <somiaj> g00se: config files needed at boot time
are in /etc
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1367[08:51:40] <somiaj> g00se: plus /etc should be fairly small
and not really need its own partition. But /etc/fstab is wehre the
info to mount /etc would be located, so that could cause a problem
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1370[08:52:33] <g00se> Ah thanks
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1372[08:54:16] <g00se> If i want to clone some partitions of a
disk but the target needs to have lvm applied first, would that
cause a problem?
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1373[08:55:04] <somiaj> g00se: what are you trying to clone?
Might be easiest to just clone the file system and use rsync -a or
cp -a to copy the file system across, in that case you would ahve to
prepare the file system (note this can change the uuid of the
filesystem)
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1376[08:56:05] <no_gravity> This seems to work:
PROMPT_COMMAND='echo -ne
"\033]0;$USER@$HOSTNAME:$PWD\007"'
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1377[08:56:07] <g00se> Yes, maybe i'll copy. There's
not much on the source other than mysql and some scripts (other than
base system)
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1383[08:58:05] <somiaj> no_gravity: you would have to include
that in the in the .bashrc or .profile (man bash for wich is read
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1384[08:58:22] <somiaj> no_gravity: I copy my .bashrc and
.profile across the systems I use so they get the same settings
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1560[09:52:22] <fennesz> Hello ! Would like to disable power
management for one of my hdd . I have installed hdparm have set the
apm to off using hdparm -B 255 /dev/sdx . I would like to make this
persistent now . I have found this :
replaced-url
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1561[09:53:05] <fennesz> Shall I use this :
/etc/udev/rules.d/50-hdparm.rules
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1562[09:53:06] <fennesz> ACTION=="add",
SUBSYSTEM=="block", KERNEL=="sda",
RUN+="/usr/bin/hdparm -B 254 -S 0 /dev/sda"
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1585[10:03:36] <fennesz> anyone pls?
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1596[10:09:45] <danigm> hello, where should I report a broken
debian mirror? ftp.es.debian.org is down
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1605[10:15:50] <hassoon> is iceweasel rebranded as firefox ESR or
what? :O
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1608[10:17:14] <dka> I have #postfix configured with #cyrus and
#openldap login, the testsaslauth works fine, but thunderbird still
can't sync my mail account. Do I have to use #dovecot? Why is
it not working ?
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1613[10:19:34] <fennesz> hassoon,don't know if rebranded but
with auto updates you get firefox now
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1615[10:21:35] <somiaj> hassoon: firefox-esr is no longer
rebranded as iceweasel as the license was worked out to distribute
the firefox brands again.
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1618[10:22:04] <somiaj> davidbz: ftp.es.debian.org is a rotation
of mirrors, and I don't know the best place to report mirror
issues.
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1620[10:22:16] <hassoon> somiaj: that means...firefox is now
branded in debian as firefox simply ?
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1625[10:23:48] <babilen> hassoon: indeed
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1626[10:23:53] <somiaj> hassoon: yes debian will now just provide
firefox and not rebrand it.
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1627[10:24:00] <babilen> judd: v firefox-esr
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1628[10:24:01] <Rico> hello
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1629[10:24:01] <judd> Package: firefox-esr on amd64 --
wheezy-security: 45.2.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie-proposed-updates:
45.2.0esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 45.2.0esr-1~deb8u1; sid:
45.2.0esr-1; stretch: 45.2.0esr-1
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1630[10:24:14] <Rico> I'm trying to make logrotate work for
mysql (debian 8)
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1631[10:24:17] <hassoon> judd? what happened to dpkg :v
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1632[10:24:27] <Rico> I still have that error :
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1633[10:24:31] <babilen> hassoon: Different bots
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1634[10:24:37] <Rico> # /usr/bin/mysqladmin
--defaults-file=/etc/mysql/debian.cnf flush-logs
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1635[10:24:37] <Rico> /usr/bin/mysqladmin: refresh failed; error:
'Unknown error'
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1636[10:24:38] <hassoon> babilen: okey.
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1637[10:24:45] <Rico> permissions on logfiles are OK
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1639[10:24:54] <Rico> permission of user debian-sys-maint are OK
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1641[10:25:01] <dka> This is a very random question for #debian.
Can anyone tell me why dovecot ? is postfix not enough ?
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1644[10:25:20] <Rico> dka: postfix is for smtp, dovecot is for
imap / pop
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1646[10:25:51] <dka> Rico, well I use postfix and sync with
thunderbird for a while without dovecot
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1648[10:26:45] <dka> Rico, I am adding ldap auth to my postfix
server, the authsasl works perfect but now I can't sync
thunderbird, do you think installing dovecot would help ?
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1650[10:27:24] <Rico> thunderbird can not ask postfix for his
mails. postfix does not do pop/imap
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1652[10:27:55] <Rico> so you have something else, like
courier-imap or other
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1654[10:28:14] <Rico> any idea for my mysql problem ?
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1662[10:31:06] <wh0ami> hi guys
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1663[10:31:13] <wh0ami> how can i change my kernel?
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1664[10:31:33] <babilen> To what?
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1665[10:31:41] <wh0ami> just with 'apt-get install
linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64' its enough?
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1667[10:31:51] <wh0ami> updating to jessie udev gives me conflict
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1669[10:32:31] <babilen> Which kernel are you using now and which
kernel do you want? Why are you updating udev and from which
version?
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1675[10:33:33] <wh0ami> babilen: actually i never changed kernel,
its the default that comes with server, udev was updated at
dist-upgrade
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1677[10:33:38] <wh0ami> or at least tries to update
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1681[10:34:55] <babilen> wh0ami: dist-upgrade would only install
security upgrades for udev also unless you are upgrading from one
Debian release to another. Did you change your sources.list ?
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1682[10:35:10] <wh0ami> babilen: yeah
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1683[10:35:14] <babilen> Are you, perhaps, trying to upgrade from
wheezy to jessie?
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1684[10:35:20] <wh0ami> because im trying to update from wheezy
to jessie
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1685[10:35:26] <wh0ami> yes
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1686[10:35:37] <babilen> Okay, at which point in the release
notes are you?
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1687[10:35:48] <wh0ami> how can i check that?
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1688[10:36:05] <babilen> How did you perform the upgrade so far?
Did you follow the official instructions?
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1690[10:36:20] <dka> Rico, with courier imap, can I use ldap
authentication in postfix or will I definitly need Dovecot? I
can't find any clear answer about that
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1697[10:37:14] <Rico> your question does not make any sense to
me, sorry
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1698[10:37:30] <wh0ami> babilen: let me find the guide
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1699[10:37:55] <wh0ami>
replaced-url
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1702[10:38:27] <babilen> wh0ami: That's not supported.
I'd recommend to follow
replaced-url
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1704[10:38:45] <babilen> (the release notes *always* contain full
instructions on how to upgrade to that version)
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1705[10:39:00] <wh0ami> mmmh ok ill try to check and follow this
one
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1707[10:39:03] <wh0ami> thanks babilen
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1708[10:39:06] <babilen> wh0ami: But okay, at which point of your
guide are you now?
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1710[10:39:15] <wh0ami> supposedly at the end
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1712[10:39:19] <wh0ami> PRETTY_NAME="Debian GNU/Linux 8
(jessie)" NAME="Debian GNU/Linux"
VERSION_ID="8" VERSION="8 (jessie)" ID=debian
HOME_URL="replaced-url
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1713[10:39:22] <wh0ami> says that
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1715[10:39:35] <dka> Rico, well. I use to have a working mail
server using postfix and courier imap, with local mail account. I
have configured postfix now to use ldap and authsasld. I have tested
login with testsaslauthd and my accounts are working. But
thunderbird is not accepting my idents, for some reason I don't
know if I should install dovecot for that. The tutorial I was
following did install dovecot but it was for a new mail server !
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1716[10:39:42] <wh0ami> but after rebooting and apt-get upgrade
there says about udev
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1718[10:39:53] <babilen> wh0ami: Could you paste output of the
actual problem to
replaced-url
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1719[10:40:15] <wh0ami>
replaced-url
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1721[10:40:44] <Rico> dka: so your postfix part is working.
Don't touch it anymore. Now you have to deal with dovecot or
courier-imap
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1722[10:41:00] <Rico> y guess you should use dovecot
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1723[10:41:03] <Rico> I
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1725[10:41:27] <babilen> wh0ami: Could you paste the output of
"COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l 'linux-image*'" ?
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1726[10:41:35] <babilen> Ah, and include "uname -a"
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1727[10:42:13] <dka> Thanks Rico, I'll give a try with
courier-imap
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1728[10:42:25] <babilen> wh0ami: It is also a good idea to
include your commands and their entire output as that provides a bit
more context
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1730[10:42:59] <babilen> wh0ami: What I'm surprised about
though is why an earlier "apt-get upgrade" / "apt-get
dist-upgrade" completed and you only get this after you
rebooted.
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1731[10:43:12] <wh0ami> yeah
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1732[10:43:14] <wh0ami> its weird
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1733[10:43:16] <wh0ami>
replaced-url
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1734[10:43:24] <wh0ami> maybe i got wrong repositories?
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1736[10:43:38] <wh0ami> but i only changed when the guide said
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1739[10:44:41] <wh0ami>
replaced-url
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1744[10:47:40] <babilen> wh0ami: Is this an openvz instance?
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1745[10:48:03] <wh0ami> not but i can use kvm if something fail
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1746[10:48:07] <wh0ami> maybe its related to this
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1749[10:48:34] <babilen> wh0ami: 3.8.13-xxxx-grs-ipv6-64 looks
like the kernel from the host system .. is this a virtual machine?
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1752[10:49:20] <wh0ami> ls /boot/ System.map-3.16.0-4-amd64
System.map-3.8.13-xxxx-grs-ipv6-64 bzImage-3.8.13-xxxx-grs-ipv6-64
config-3.16.0-4-amd64 grub initrd.img-3.16.0-4-amd64
vmlinuz-3.16.0-4-amd64
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1753[10:49:30] <wh0ami> not sure what is the kernel that im using
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1756[10:50:09] <dka> Rico, any idea
replaced-url
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1757[10:50:22] <wh0ami> i installed the one that i said and
before i have no idea which was using
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1758[10:50:28] <babilen> wh0ami: What does
"update-grub2" give you?
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1759[10:50:43] <babilen> wh0ami: And, again: Is this is virtual
machine?
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1760[10:50:54] <wh0ami> babilen: isn't a vm
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1761[10:51:16] <babilen> Either way you have to get it to run the
3.16 kernel. I suspect that your bootloader configuration is broken.
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1762[10:51:47] <babilen> I'm also not sure where the
3.8.13-xxxx-grs-ipv6-64 kernel comes from as it is most certainly
not a Debian kernel
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1763[10:51:47] <wh0ami>
replaced-url
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1767[10:52:51] <babilen> wh0ami: Configure grub to boot the 3.16
kernel and you are done. An easy way for that would be to remove the
3.8.13-xxxx-grs-ipv6-64 one, but how you do that depends on how you
installed it.
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1768[10:53:09] <wh0ami> how i do that?
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1777[10:55:47] <babilen> wh0ami: How did you install the
3.8.13-xxxx-grs-ipv6-64 kernel?
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1779[10:56:24] <wh0ami> babilen: i didn't, it comes with the
ds the only one that i installed its linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64
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1780[10:56:37] <babilen> "with the ds" ?
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1781[10:56:47] <wh0ami> dedicated server
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1782[10:56:58] <wh0ami> probably is taken from company servers or
something?
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1784[10:57:37] <babilen> Right, it's a dedicated server that
was installed by a third party. What does "dpkg -S
/boot/bzImage-3.8.13-xxxx-grs-ipv6-64" give you?
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1788[10:59:00] <monoxane> when i set em in
/etc/network/interfaces it seems to apply it to bot interfaces and i
cannot connect
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1790[10:59:34] <hassoon> monoxane: why not setting things in
network manager
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1799[11:05:26] <wh0ami> babilen: dpkg-query: no path found
matching pattern /boot/bzImage-3.8.13-xxxx-grs-ipv6-64
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1801[11:07:58] <babilen> wh0ami: So it wasn't installed from
packages. I'd contact your provider and investigate configuring
grub directly .. in a way all you have to do is to select the 3.16
kernel during boot or hardcode it in the grub.cfg
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1804[11:08:03] <babilen> All the best
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1808[11:08:39] <wh0ami> babilen: ok thanks man :)
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1850[11:40:09] <dorp> Hello, a relatively trivial question: is it
possible to skip/abort the downloading phase of the 'net
install' during installation? (other than disabling the network
adapter...)
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1856[11:43:01] <somiaj> dorp: What are you trying to achive? If
you don't select any of the additional packages to be installed
with tasksel it wont download and install any new packages. But if
you configure the network it may download and install security
updates.
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1857[11:43:13] <somiaj> you can also just skip over the network
configuration part
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1864[11:45:09] <dorp> somiaj: I would like to
'complete' the installer phase as quickly as possible, it
seems that even without selecting anything, it tries to download
things, and if I try to abort- the installer pretty much
stalls/hangs
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1867[11:46:47] <somiaj> dorp: it is updating the package database
and downloading security updates. But int he expert installer you
can just skip over the network part. There is also preseeds to
autmoate things
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1869[11:48:11] <dorp> somiaj: Could you expand on what
'preseeds' means?
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1870[11:48:31] <somiaj> dorp:
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1886[11:52:21] <theeisbaer> Hello, I try to connect to a WiFi
network on a Raspberry Pi running Raspbian Jessie, is this the right
place to ask questions?
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1890[11:52:59] <somiaj> !raspbian
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1891[11:52:59] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on
Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian
is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use
#raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support.
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1892[11:53:15] <theeisbaer> Okay thank you :)
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1895[11:54:07] <hassoon> ah
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1896[11:54:19] <hassoon> so this raspbian is not debia nitself
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1900[11:55:37] <somiaj> hassoon: correct, raspbian is only based
on debian (it has a custom kernel and modifies some of the core
packages to work better on the pi)
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1902[11:56:01] <hassoon> like ubuntu is based on debian
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1903[11:56:15] <thoht> hi. running debian 8.5, would like to know
the best way to install zfs-linux. I read it is on unstable; any way
to have it on 8.5 ?
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1905[11:57:57] <somiaj> hassoon: at one time it was, it has
drifted into its own thing, and instead shares packages with debian
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1906[11:58:12] <somiaj> hassoon: well source packages (they are
compiled for different distros)
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1907[11:58:20] <somiaj> ,v zfs-linux
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1908[11:58:21] <judd> No package named 'zfs-linux' was
found in amd64.
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1909[11:58:25] <dorp> somiaj: Thanks for the suggestion, but it
seems that it would be easier to disable the network
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1910[11:58:56] <somiaj> ,v zfs-dkms
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1911[11:58:57] <judd> Package: zfs-dkms on amd64 -- sid/contrib:
0.6.5.7-1; stretch/contrib: 0.6.5.7-1
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1912[11:59:05] <somiaj> ,v zfs-fuse
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1913[11:59:06] <judd> Package: zfs-fuse on amd64 -- squeeze:
0.6.9-1; wheezy: 0.7.0-8; jessie: 0.7.0-12; stretch: 0.7.0-13.1;
sid: 0.7.0-13.1
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1914[11:59:42] <somiaj> thoht: you could try to create you own
backports (/msg dpkg ssb) if zfs-fuse won't work for you
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1917[12:02:10] <thoht> somiaj: so zfs-dkms is on sid or stetch
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1918[12:02:22] <thoht> not on jessie :/
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1919[12:02:38] <somiaj> thoht: correct, so you'll have to
make your own backports
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1921[12:03:27] <thoht> somiaj: how to do it ?
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1925[12:04:48] <thoht> somiaj: can i use :
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1932[12:07:17] <somiaj> thoht: Those packages do look like they
are built for debian jessie, but they are third party, you will have
to choose if youw ant to use them or not.
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1934[12:07:32] <somiaj> thoht: /msg dpkg ssb (for instructions to
try to backport it yourself)
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1935[12:08:01] <somiaj> thoht: I personally don't use zfs,
so unsure of any issues in doing that, using prebuilt packages can
work just fine provided they are made for jessie (which it appears
the ones you linked are)
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1963[12:21:50] <BW^-> i have the year's weirdest symlinking
problem. I do: "ln -s /usr/bin/gdb /usr/local/bin/egdb"
"ln -s /usr/bin/make /usr/local/bin/gmake"
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1964[12:21:53] <BW^-> the first link works. the second not.
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1965[12:22:03] <BW^-> "$ gmake" says "-bash:
/usr/bin/gmake: No such file or directory" but "$ which
gmake" says "/usr/local/bin/gmake".
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1966[12:22:13] <BW^-> "$ gmake" shows "-bash:
/usr/bin/gmake: No such file or directory".
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1968[12:22:22] <BW^-> wait, it's some kind of bash problem..
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1973[12:22:40] <BW^-> in "sh" it works, in
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1976[12:22:53] <jelly> BW^-: ls -ld /usr/bin/gmake; readlink -f
/usr/bin/gmake
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1979[12:23:26] <BW^-> jelly: "$ ls -ld /usr/bin/gmake;
readlink -f /usr/bin/gmake" "ls: cannot access
/usr/bin/gmake: No such file or directory"
"/usr/bin/gmake"
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1980[12:23:28] <BW^-> what does this tell you?
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1983[12:24:14] <jelly> did it exist at the time bash was started?
If you deleted it afterwards, tell bash to update its notion of
directory contents in PATH
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1984[12:24:22] <jelly> BW^-: "hash -r" and try again
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1986[12:24:57] <BW^-> yeah itw orked!!!!
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1987[12:25:11] <jelly> (it tells /usr/bin/gmake does not exist
right now, but the shell thinks that path used to exist)
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1988[12:25:15] <BW^-> jelly: what did that do?? =)
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1989[12:25:22] <BW^-> no no I have not removed.. or did I..
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1990[12:25:43] <BW^-> jelly: ok, thanks! !:)
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1992[12:26:02] <jelly> you probably messed with symlinks until
you figured out how ln -s works
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1994[12:26:32] <jelly> BW^-: "hash -r" looks at the
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1995[12:26:38] <jelly> BW^-: help hash
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attention to it!
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2073[13:19:19] <jubo2> hiya
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2074[13:19:35] <jubo2> I'm having trouble getting nginx
installed on a freshly created Debian box
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2078[13:20:20] <styvy> is that right, debian 9 in 2019 will be
named bullseye?
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2079[13:20:47] <jelly> dpkg, tell styvy about stretch
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2084[13:21:47] <styvy> yes i wonder about stretch and buster?
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2085[13:22:01] <mayhew> jubo2: what's the issue?
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2086[13:22:39] <jelly> styvy: the codename for debian 9 is known
already.
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2087[13:23:12] <styvy> i followed a debian-news on phoronix
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2089[13:23:29] <jubo2> mayhew: Seems to be that it refuses to
start because 'sudo nginx -t' exits with error
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2090[13:23:50] <jubo2> I dunno how the hell does a package
contain confs that don't work..
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2091[13:24:34] <mayhew> jubo2: I'm assuming you're on
Debian Jessie or higher? You should attempt to start it with
`systemctl start nginx`
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2092[13:24:42] <jubo2> okay
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2093[13:25:00] <mayhew> And use `systemctl status nginx` if that
doesn't work, you might get some useful debugging information.
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2095[13:25:09] <styvy> 13:23 <styvy> is that right, debian
9 in 2019 will be named bullseye?
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2096[13:25:10] <styvy> 13:24 <jelly> dpkg, tell styvy about
stretch
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2097[13:25:32] <styvy> sorry
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2100[13:26:12] <jubo2> mayhew: this seems to be the key error:
"heinä 05 14:24:59 lt nginx[6305]: nginx: [emerg] socket()
[::]:80 failed (97: Address family not supported by protocol)"
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2103[13:26:28] <jubo2> I haven't touched the confs.. at
all..
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2104[13:26:46] <jelly> jubo2: do you have ipv6 disabled on that
system?
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2105[13:27:12] <jubo2> jelly: I don't know.. I just got this
server from the new hosting guys in Lithuania
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2106[13:28:40] <jubo2> another thing I haven't figured out
yet is that when I try to apply my usual, allow 22, 53, 80, 443 and
bannhammer everything else.. If I run the script to put those rules
in place the ssh freezes and I need to flush the iptables via
hosting guys' web console-thingy
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2109[13:29:51] <jubo2> jelly: I commented out a line and the
nginx comes up
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2110[13:30:03] <jubo2> weird, huh.. package ships with broken
conf
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2112[13:30:14] <mayhew> jubo2: what line did you comment out?
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2113[13:30:30] <jubo2> mayhew: #listen [::]:80 default_server;
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2115[13:31:41] <mayhew> jubo2: in `ip a` do you get any inet6
lines? Could be because ipv6 is disabled like jelly said.
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2118[13:32:07] <mayhew> I'm pretty sure [::] is a IPv6
related
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2120[13:33:01] <mayhew>
replaced-url
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2122[13:33:30] <jubo2> mayhew: No IPv6 lines
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2125[13:34:00] <jubo2> You wanna know how much I paid for 3
months of 1GB VPS..?
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2126[13:34:07] <jubo2> 7.03€ VAT 24% incl
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2127[13:34:21] <jubo2> I do not think the prices can go much down
from here
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2130[13:35:10] <mayhew> that's pretty cheap indeed
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2132[13:35:34] <jubo2> the price is even lower if you pay for
0.5, 1 or 2 yrs in one go
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2134[13:36:37] <deepy> how's the stability over a year?
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2135[13:36:39] <mayhew> lets just hope you have a SSD, a good
amount of CPU, reliable bandwith and hardware and they're not
overselling the boxes :)
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2137[13:37:00] <jubo2> Got one 2.4GHz core
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2138[13:37:07] <jubo2> just HDD
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2140[13:37:54] <mayhew> 2.4 GHz doesn't mean much. It
depends on the specific processor. A 2016 2.4 GHz will be much
faster than a 2008 2.4 GHz for example.
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2142[13:38:06] <jubo2> This is my referral link if someone else
needs dirt cheap hosting in Lithuania -
replaced-url
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2143[13:38:56] <jubo2> I'm thinking of trying something like
this on the box:
replaced-url
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2145[13:39:35] <jubo2> so plan is seeing if fail2ban can be
applied to protect GNU MediaGoblin against the FUD campaign all the
open registration instances are facing
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2151[13:42:17] <jubo2> I gotta share this awesome collectively on
gituhub compiled topically arranged list of
host-it-at-the-hosting-guys software with y'll
replaced-url
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2152[13:42:25] <jubo2> Is a real candy shop.
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2154[13:42:39] <jubo2> I gotta pop out. Later copyleftists.
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2170[13:49:50] <AirPlanes> maybe we can add tool to wiki i found
useful?
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2171[13:51:03] <AirPlanes>
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2228[14:23:05] <sumi> hello
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2236[14:27:37] <adac> This is for ubuntu: sudo add-apt-repository
ppa:cwchien/gradle
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2237[14:27:44] <adac> can I use this also in debain jessie?
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2239[14:27:50] <adac> *Debian
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2242[14:28:52] <mayhew> adac: no, PPA's are not supported in
Debian
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2243[14:29:23] <adac> mayhew, Ok I see yes. Thanks. Was wondering
on hwo to install the latest version of gradle then in Debian
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2246[14:30:53] <mayhew> adac: it looks like 2.10 is in
jessie-backports, not the latest but pretty close
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2248[14:31:19] <mayhew> otherwise you'll have to download it
from their website
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2249[14:31:22] <adac> mayhew, that is fair enough I think. Let me
see on how I can install this repo. Thanks!
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2253[14:33:17] <mayhew> adac: you can also use apt-pinning with
the testing/sid repositories to get 2.13, but that's a bit
riskier.
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2259[14:38:48] <abrotman> don't do that ..
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2260[14:38:49] <abrotman> !ssb
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2261[14:38:50] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on
<debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for
sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable
debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude
install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b
source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change
compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions
newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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2263[14:39:52] <Iridos>
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2267[14:43:12] <AirPlanes> AirPlanes> maybe we can add tool to
wiki i found useful?
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2268[14:43:12] <AirPlanes> <AirPlanes>
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2269[14:43:20] <AirPlanes> PS it's for window
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2270[14:43:23] <AirPlanes> windows
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2283[14:50:04] <AirPlanes2>
replaced-url
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2284[14:50:06] <AirPlanes2> why it said WARNING: Iceweasel is
gone. Please update your apt sources. ? Iceweasel is not gone!
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2291[14:51:34] <mayhew> AirPlanes2: Iceweasel has been replaced
by Firefox ESR in Debian.
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2292[14:51:44] <AirPlanes2> nope
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2295[14:51:54] <AirPlanes2> I installed latest debian XFCE and
iceweasel still there
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2298[14:52:30] <Stummi> ,v iceweasel
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2299[14:52:31] <judd> Package: iceweasel on amd64 -- squeeze:
3.5.16-20; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports:
10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 38.8.0esr-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security:
38.8.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie-security: 38.8.0esr-1~deb8u1; jessie:
38.8.0esr-1~deb8u1; wheezy-security: 45.2.0esr-1~deb7u1;
jessie-proposed-updates: 45.2.0esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-security:
45.2.0esr-1~deb8u1; sid:
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2300[14:52:32] <judd> 45.2.0esr-1; stretch: 45.2.0esr-1
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2302[14:52:38] <AirPlanes2> ???
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2303[14:52:48] <AirPlanes2> ,help v
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2304[14:52:49] <judd> (v <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias
for "versions $*".
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2305[14:52:51] <Stummi> AirPlanes2, with "latest" you
mean jessie?
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2306[14:52:56] <AirPlanes2> yes
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2307[14:52:57] <mayhew> AirPlanereplaced-url
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2308[14:53:14] <mayhew> firefox-esr is the new package name
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2310[14:53:29] <mayhew> you'll get firefox-esr if you update
your system
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2311[14:53:34] <AirPlanes2> like
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2312[14:53:37] <AirPlanes2> sudo apt-get upgrade ?
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2313[14:54:14] <mayhew> AirPlanes2: `sudo apt update &&
sudo apt (dist-)upgrade`
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2314[14:54:23] <AirPlanes2> why dist upgrade?
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2315[14:54:34] <mayhew> it might be required to install
firefox-esr, try upgrade first
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2316[14:54:42] <AirPlanes2> hmm
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2317[14:54:45] <AirPlanes2> why it's [security] red?
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2318[14:55:00] <venkat_330> Guys can some one point me to some KB
for installing jessie under UEFI & secure boot
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2319[14:55:10] <mayhew> I think it means that the security team
manages this package
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2322[14:56:20] <mayhew> venkat_330: Debian does not yet support
UEFI Secure Boot, but work is ongoing to enable this in a future
release.
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2324[14:56:53] <mayhew> if you can't disable secure boot (or
don't want to), just install Ubuntu or Fedora, they work out of
the box with it.
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2331[14:59:03] <Flying_Squirrel> hey all! I have a little silly
yet annoying problem: I use KDE and for a few days now my taskbar is
grey/unusable, I can't click icons, the start menu etc. I added
another taskbar at the top but this is rather silly. Did anyone here
ever experienced something similar or know where to look at to find
a solution / more precise information on what's wrong ?
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2332[14:59:54] <AirPlanes2> KDE is buggy
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2333[14:59:59] <AirPlanes2> Like Kubuntu
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2336[15:00:21] <AirPlanes2> Flying_Squirrel, report #kde
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2337[15:00:37] <Flying_Squirrel> thanka you AirPlanes2
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2338[15:00:40] <Flying_Squirrel> *thank
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2347[15:05:40] <SilverWhitefish> AirPlanes2, are you into that
dot net stuff?
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2355[15:10:48] <AirPlanes2> SilverWhitefish, why?
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2364[15:14:36] <SilverWhitefish> a while back i was working on a
project in mono and i noticed you hung out in the c sharp channel.
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2370[15:17:24] <SilverWhitefish> i was justing thinking it would
have been nice to know someone that could have helped show me a few
things with c#
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2372[15:19:11] <AirPlanes2> c# in linux?
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2373[15:19:21] <AirPlanes2> hmm and mono? just go to windows
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2374[15:19:34] <SilverWhitefish> wasnt going to happen
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2376[15:19:42] <AirPlanes2> also I don't remember I was in
##c# maybe with different nick but that was a long time ago
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2378[15:20:11] <AirPlanes2> SilverWhitefish,
replaced-url
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2379[15:20:26] <SilverWhitefish> cool thanks
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2382[15:20:45] <AirPlanes2> SilverWhitefish, what is the
question?
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2384[15:20:52] <AirPlanes2> is it more on the software or the
code?
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2386[15:21:48] <thurstylark> What is the best practice for
starting/stopping/enabling/disabling systemd units from a deb? just
using systemctl in the postinst script?
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2387[15:22:02] <SilverWhitefish> i argued my case with just about
everyone on how the entire project needed to be rewritten in C and
C++ but only a small few were willing to learn C
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2389[15:22:03] <ilmaisin> where does make-ssl-cert get the
hostname
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2390[15:22:32] <SilverWhitefish> it was a simulator so it really
need to be efficient which it was not nor ever will be
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2392[15:23:09] <SilverWhitefish> im still trying to figure out
the start order thurstylark
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2393[15:23:26] <thurstylark> SilverWhitefish: start order of
what?
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2394[15:23:31] <AirPlanes2> idk what he said
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2404[15:25:43] <ilmaisin> why on the earth these things have to
be complicated like this
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2405[15:25:53] <SilverWhitefish> well like yesterday someone
wanted to start a a voip server after mysql started
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2407[15:26:11] <ilmaisin> i have re-generated the ssl certificate
but it still has some old hostname
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2408[15:26:22] <SilverWhitefish> from what i gathered everything
is in the init scripts now when before it was as simple as changing
the file name
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2414[15:28:16] <thurstylark> SilverWhitefish: check the
systemd.unit manpage. Before= and After= is how that works.
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2415[15:28:48] <jhutchins> ilmaisin: Most of the utilities that
purport to help simplify certificate generation actally add another
layer of complexity.
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2416[15:29:33] <jhutchins> ilmaisin: I don't know about
make-ssl-cert, but several of the wrapper scripts rely on a local
config file that stores answers to the prompts for cert generation.
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2419[15:30:49] <ilmaisin> jhutchins: i think i figured it out, it
was some old configuration in /etc/hosts
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2423[15:32:37] <SilverWhitefish> oh ok thats what ive been
looking for never would have looked for systemd.unit thanks very
much
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2431[15:38:37] <thurstylark> SilverWhitefish: the manpages for
systemd.service, and systemd.exec could also be useful to you.
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2455[15:49:53] <tjt263> hey is there a way to check; when was the
last time that apt-get was updated or upgraded?
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2457[15:50:44] <Anonymes> Hi
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2461[15:52:22] <AirPlanes> Hi Anonymes
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2463[15:53:13] <AirPlanes> tjt263, history | grep 'apt-get
update'
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2465[15:53:29] <AirPlanes> tjt263, HISTTIMEFORMAT="%d/%m/%y
%T " && history | grep 'apt-get update'
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2466[15:53:42] <AirPlanes> this one I'm not sure how it
works. Also if you want about upgrade replace update with upgrade
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2470[15:55:00] <AirPlanes> tjt263,
replaced-url
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2479[15:58:04] <tjt263> AirPlanes: youre not sure how what works?
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2481[15:58:20] <AirPlanes> this
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2482[15:58:21] <AirPlanes> HISTTIMEFORMAT="%d/%m/%y %T
" && history | grep 'apt-get update
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2483[15:58:21] <Iridos> you mean when you last ran apt-get update
or apt-get upgrade?
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2485[15:58:37] <AirPlanes> I am not sure what is HISTTIMEFORMAT=
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2488[15:58:48] <Iridos> it's an environment variable?
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2489[15:58:54] <tjt263> yeah, that's not quite what i was
after though
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2490[15:58:57] <AirPlanes> yea but where it used?
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2491[15:59:20] <AirPlanes> tjt263, do you got your answer?
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2494[16:00:05] <tjt263> HISTTIMEFORMAT; when it is set, prepends
each command in the history file with a timestamp
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2498[16:01:22] <Iridos> tjt263, you can see when packages were
upgraded (well, uninstalled and installed) in /var/log/dpkg.log ...
there is also /var/log/aptitude mmh, and I see
/var/log/apt/history.log (which is probably what you want)
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2500[16:01:52] <tjt263> cool, it might be on the right track
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2502[16:02:06] <Iridos> I don't think there's a way to
say apt-get update... but that's pretty irrelevant anyway
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2503[16:02:12] <tjt263> i thought there was a simple apt or dpkg
command
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2504[16:02:47] <Iridos> and actually... I have apt-listchanges
installed
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2506[16:02:55] <Iridos> but never really make use of it :)
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2507[16:03:16] <tjt263> sorry whats that? and whats irrelevant?
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2512[16:03:38] <Iridos> the times "apt-get update" is
executed are pretty irrelevant
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2514[16:03:51] <g00se> Is there an easy way to clone a partition
table?
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2516[16:04:24] <Iridos> g00se, you can just copy it... the
question is, if that's "easy"
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2517[16:05:02] <Iridos> and it's impractical... you'd
need a disk that is the same
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2519[16:05:29] <Iridos> but there's tools that can clone the
whole partition
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2520[16:05:29] <tjt263> Iridos: except for when it isn't
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2521[16:05:46] <musca> dd if=yourdevicenode of=mbr-backup.bin
bs=512 count=1
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2523[16:06:00] <Iridos> tjt263, like?
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2524[16:07:02] <linux-fox> 512 is kb?
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2525[16:07:12] <musca> Bytes
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2527[16:07:24] <tjt263> g00se: look into musca's suggestion.
dd is good for this kind of thing
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2528[16:07:41] <g00se> Is that going to work for a GPT?
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2530[16:08:20] <tjt263> Iridos: like right know
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2531[16:08:26] <g00se> Iridos: Not just the same size?
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2535[16:08:46] <tjt263> g00se: a what? GPT?
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2536[16:08:47] <musca> gpt has a nice feature called Fake-MBR, so
No!
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2537[16:09:05] <g00se> Yes, i was almost certain not ;)
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2538[16:09:29] <tjt263> g00se: i dont know what that is
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2539[16:10:03] <musca> The Fake-MBR carries an entry, that
basically says "Disk full".
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2542[16:10:54] <tjt263> o GUID Partition Table
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2543[16:12:24] <g00se> Maybe it's gdisk i need?
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2556[16:15:53] <tjt263> well i don't really understand why
you cant just use dd, im sure ive used it for this before
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2558[16:16:29] <musca> g00se: a quick google search for
"Clone GUID Partition Table" gives me
replaced-url
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2559[16:16:31] <tjt263> but ive also used rsync
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2565[16:17:24] <Iridos> g00se, maybe... but you also usually
align partition borders with something? I'm happy I'm not
dealing with it too often, though :)
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2567[16:18:08] <g00se> musca: Thanks - looks good
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2569[16:18:39] <tjt263> can you use rsync?
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2570[16:19:15] <g00se> tjt263: that's for filesystems
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2572[16:19:39] <musca> g00se: i like the second answer, less
dangerous for mistakes
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2573[16:19:41] <tjt263> isnt that what youre dealing with
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2574[16:20:00] <g00se> No. Filesystem metadata
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2575[16:21:05] <tjt263> oh i thought you just wanted to mirror
your hard drive or something
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2592[16:26:54] <federico> Hi all, which init system is using
debian atm? In which direction is it moving?
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2593[16:27:10] <g00se> systemd
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2595[16:27:34] <g00se> Heading nowhere else
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2598[16:29:55] <AirPlanes> what is all messed with systemd?
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2599[16:30:23] <AirPlanes> i watched deboncf and when he arrived
to systemd he said like HUUUUUUH like something bad/complicated.
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2603[16:32:30] <abrotman> insightful ...
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2604[16:32:56] <AirPlanes> What?
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2607[16:33:10] <mayhew> AirPlanes: a lot of old Unix people set
in their ways don't like change or think systemd doesn't
follow the Unix philosophy etc. The reality is that systemd solves a
complex problem pretty elegantly, but again, you can't make
everyone happy. They tend to be a vocal minority.
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2609[16:33:27] <AirPlanes> I don't know what it is
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2610[16:33:58] <mayhew> systemd is the first program that the
Linux kernel runs, and it's a very important piece of software.
Generally you don't need to care as a normal desktop user.
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2611[16:34:19] <AirPlanes> oh thanks anyway
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2612[16:34:21] <AirPlanes> its just interest
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2613[16:34:30] <AirPlanes> latest day I read more and more about
debian
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2616[16:35:23] <jorgesanjuan> Is someone aware of whether if
Debian8-arm supports Hp's moonshot arm64 (x-gene arm64) or not?
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2619[16:35:28] <jorgesanjuan> i tried to boot it with the kernel
option acpi=off and using a device tree, but the Debian installer
couldn't detect the network card
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2620[16:35:32] <jhutchins> mayhew: There are actual problems with
the scope and implementation of systemd on most distros, and
it's definitely a work in progress.
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2622[16:35:42] <jhutchins> mayhew: Objections are NOT just
luddites.
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2625[16:36:07] <jelly> jorgesanjuan: ask in #debian-arm over on
irc.oftc.net, maybe
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2632[16:36:58] <mayhew> jhutchins: I'm not claiming systemd
is perfect, but it's a hard problem it's trying to solve
and every major distro seems to think it's the best solution
so.
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2634[16:37:02] <jhutchins> jorgesanjuan: Detecting the network
card is a really seperate issue from whether the OS works on that
architecture.
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2635[16:37:24] <jhutchins> mayhew: It's MANY problems
it's trying to solve with one unified solution.
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2643[16:38:45] <mayhew> jhutchins: I take it you agree that the
problems are important to solve but you don't like one
process/project trying to do it all?
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2655[16:42:09] <jhutchins> mayhew: I like a more modular
approach, it's more suitable to the distributed project nature
of OS.
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2659[16:42:14] <jhutchins> OSS
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2660[16:43:21] <jhutchins> If someone gets hit by a bus, it stops
progress on one part of the system, not the whole underlying core.
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2663[16:44:56] <mayhew> You could argue all of the problems
systemd is trying to solve are closely related and there's
benefits to providing the kitchen sink in one project. But I get
your point and respect it.
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2664[16:45:51] <mayhew> However I don't agree that the bus
factor is an issue, there's a lot of developers on systemd and
with every mainstream distro backing it I don't think
there's going to be any problems.
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2673[16:51:01] <g00se> Then of course you need to ask why BSD and
the like don't think there's an init problem to solve. Of
course systemd was meant to solve init problems but of course
it's not (now) just an init system. It's not likely to
shrink but to grow
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2696[16:56:16] <jhutchins> Among other things, it now does NTP.
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2700[16:57:23] <jhutchins> I count 144 man pages for systemd.
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2704[16:58:14] <jhutchins> make that 72, locate seems to have
found everything twice.
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2706[16:58:57] <jhutchins> Nah, it's just a mess with some
duplicates.
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2738[17:10:35] <Eryn_1983_FL> hey peeps i am trying to send my
ZFS filesystem from one node to another, but i dont have enough
space to hold it on the receive system, and have completed a
complete move yet..
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2739[17:11:18] <g00se> Out of interest, how do you have ZFS on
Debian?
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2740[17:11:38] <petn-randall> g00se: zfs-dkms is in contrib in
stretch.
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2741[17:11:43] <petn-randall> ,v zfs-dkms
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2742[17:11:44] <judd> Package: zfs-dkms on amd64 -- sid/contrib:
0.6.5.7-1; stretch/contrib: 0.6.5.7-1
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2744[17:12:09] <g00se> Ah is that userland?
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2746[17:12:23] <g00se> Oh no - virtualized?
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2751[17:12:46] <g00se> ,v zfs-dkms
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2752[17:12:47] <judd> Package: zfs-dkms on amd64 -- sid/contrib:
0.6.5.7-1; stretch/contrib: 0.6.5.7-1
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2755[17:13:27] <jelly> g00se: ZoL people have a repository for
debian 8, for the time being (until stretch is out)
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2756[17:13:43] <g00se> Ah
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2759[17:14:00] <Eryn_1983_FL> zfsonlinux
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2762[17:14:14] <Eryn_1983_FL> not the one they just added to
repos
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2763[17:14:28] <Eryn_1983_FL> anyways i think i found a
solution..
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2792[17:23:27] <thurstylark> I have a package foo.deb that
depends on some packages that are not installed already. Currently I
do 'dpkg -i foo.deb' and then 'apt-get install
-f' to get the missing deps. Is there a way to do this in all
one command, or do I just need to string these together?
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2812[17:27:31] <AirPlanes> hi
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2813[17:27:31] <AirPlanes> anyone know good debian talks or linux
talk?
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2814[17:27:31] <AirPlanes> talks*
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2830[17:30:42] <AirPlanes> how to join to mainlist?
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2831[17:30:54] <AirPlanes> mailinglist*
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2838[17:33:27] <arca_vorago> Requesting assistance on motd
generation, whats the right way to do it these days?
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2840[17:33:42] <arca_vorago> I don't know whatever hapened
to just changing /etc/motd
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2845[17:35:13] <arca_vorago> Well it seemed to work, despite
documentation saying to do wierder things
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2860[17:39:20] <AirPlanes> wtf unforgiven512
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2867[17:41:15] <AirPlanes> networkd removed?
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2870[17:43:04] <colo-work> AirPlanes, context?
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2874[17:45:31] <AirPlanes> colo-work, im watching debconf
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2875[17:45:41] <abrotman> AirPlanes: you know there's a
channel for that .. this isn't it ...
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2876[17:45:42] <AirPlanes>
replaced-url
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2877[17:45:50] <AirPlanes> abrotman, I don't know
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2878[17:45:58] <AirPlanes> i can't find information about
networkd
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2881[17:46:51] <abrotman> AirPlanes: #debconf on irc.oftc.net
would be a good start, good luck
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2882[17:47:13] <AirPlanes> oh
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2883[17:47:14] <AirPlanes> i forgot that omg
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2910[18:02:24] <g00se> Is it a bad move in any way to map
someone's Windows NTFS C:/Users/username to /home ?
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2914[18:03:24] <SerajewelKS> g00se: via what mechanism?
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2915[18:03:31] <g00se> symlink?
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2916[18:03:52] <SerajewelKS> g00se: so Windows isn't
running, and the NTFS volume is on a physically-attached disk?
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2917[18:04:07] <g00se> The same disk
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2918[18:04:09] <SerajewelKS> g00se: my biggest worry would be
permissions and ownership info
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2919[18:04:24] <SerajewelKS> you are running linux from an ntfs
volume?
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2924[18:04:43] <g00se> No it would be on a separate partition
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2927[18:05:07] <SerajewelKS> i'd be very hesitant to do that
just because of ownership / permission info potentially getting lost
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2930[18:05:21] <g00se> Thinking of maybe copying chum's
recovery partition and then overwriting it
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2933[18:05:46] <SerajewelKS> files created on the windows side
may not be owned by that linux user when you boot into linux after
creating them
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2936[18:06:21] <markybob> ntfs can't handle linux
permissions so your /home would be pretty fucked
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2938[18:07:10] <g00se> Hmm. I thought stuff like ntfstools could
handle that by now ...
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2939[18:07:21] <SerajewelKS> markybob: i thought ntfs-3g put
"fake" windows principals in ACLs to signify ownership and
permissions -- my worry would be that files created on windows
won't have sane defaults on linux
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2940[18:07:54] <g00se> SerajewelKS: Don't forget it's
only the Windows home tree
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2942[18:08:28] <SerajewelKS> to answer your original question, i
would say that yes, it's a bad move
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2943[18:08:49] <SerajewelKS> i'd test first if you really
want to. create a test user on both systems and try it with their
home directory.
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2944[18:08:52] <SerajewelKS> document every issue
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2946[18:09:18] <g00se> Thanks guys. I shan't do anything
hasty ;)
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2954[18:11:00] <g00se> Actually it wouldn't matter if in
this case Linux used the 'All' ACLs since there's no
other user
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2985[18:24:16] <trysten> noob question: do files usually take up
a differing amount of space on ext3 vs ext4? i copied my home folder
with rsync -rvun /home/old/ /home/new and my new is 40MiB smaller
than the old :/
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2989[18:26:21] <petn-randall> trysten: Was /home/new empty as you
ran that?
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2991[18:26:29] <jelly> trysten: yes
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2995[18:27:41] <jelly> trysten: du has --apparent-size, or maybe
even -b
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2996[18:27:50] <petn-randall> jelly: I'd understand if it
was larger (hardlinks becoming separate files, sparse files not
being sparse files anymore), but what would make it smaller?
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2998[18:28:16] <CR3ZNEZCH> guys i hate metacity on debian
testing, any suggestion for the alternative !!! :)
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3000[18:28:39] <petn-randall> !testing
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3001[18:28:39] <dpkg> Testing is a continuously updated release
between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed
<stretch>. See
replaced-url
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3002[18:28:42] <jelly> petn-randall: don't remember exactly,
ext4 is more efficient with metadata structures
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3005[18:29:15] <jelly> and unsparse files can become sparse if
you tell rsync to try and sparsify the destination
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3006[18:29:22] <jelly> but the user did not.
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3007[18:29:31] <petn-randall> jelly: But metadata doesn't
get counted towards the file size, IIRC.
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3008[18:29:46] <jelly> petn-randall: disk usage is disk usage.
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3010[18:29:56] <jelly> file size != disk usage
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3011[18:30:28] <petn-randall> CR3ZNEZCH: Testing support is in
#debian-next on irc.oftc.net
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3013[18:31:08] <petn-randall> jelly: True, I was assuming trysten
is talking about file size.
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3015[18:31:27] <petn-randall> trysten: How are you measuring it?
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3016[18:31:28] <CR3ZNEZCH> thanks randall
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3019[18:31:39] <jelly> petn-randall: in any case, I don't
know the specifics but have seen the same issue going from ext3 to
ext4
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3026[18:37:20] <trysten> petn-randall: du -Lsh
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3027[18:38:01] <trysten> petn-randall: it wasn't empty.
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3030[18:38:46] <jelly> trysten: what happened when you added -b
to du ?
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3031[18:39:22] <trysten> 43 mb difference. i will copy it to an
empty folder now, to test.
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3033[18:39:43] <jelly> difference?
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3037[18:40:05] <jelly> where did you have extra and where did you
have bytes missing?
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3039[18:40:35] <trysten> yeah, new is still smaller than old. oh,
i'm using du -sh.
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3041[18:40:50] <jelly> "du -sh" does not have -b option
in it?
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3042[18:41:24] <jelly> trysten: what happens if you add -b to du
?
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3043[18:41:25] <trysten> sorry, i did try -bsh and there was
still a difference
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3044[18:41:48] <jelly> okay. that may be interesting.
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3045[18:42:03] <jelly> Now compare just the files, not
directories themselves.
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3046[18:42:04] <jelly> :-)
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3048[18:42:21] <trysten> may as well diff the outputs of du -bh
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3049[18:43:01] <jelly> and avoid using -h
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3056[18:43:53] <trysten> ok. running rsync -rav /home/old
/home/new2 (old is on remote host, but i'm assuming that
won't make a difference
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3064[18:45:30] <trysten> still a difference! i can't read
bytes very well. 20k?
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3066[18:45:57] <trysten> -b overrides -h..
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3067[18:46:23] <trysten> wat?! now new2 is larger than old!
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3068[18:46:47] <greycat> Was there anything in it before you ran
the rsync?
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3069[18:47:01] <trysten> nope. empty folder for test!
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3070[18:47:32] <greycat> OK, then the most likely explanation is
you're using a command that reports disk blocks (not bytes),
and your "remote" file system has a different block size.
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3071[18:47:43] <petn-randall> trysten: Please check the
difference between both old and new with 'du -bh' and
compare the directories. If two differ, run that command in the
subdir. Rinse, repeat until you find the difference.
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3076[18:51:13] <trysten> thanks everyone. i will report back
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3087[18:54:49] <trysten> the second test copy did copy correctly
and the directories are identical. i must have mis-measured it.
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3116[19:07:32] <Ryuken> How do you install a app from command
line using a .debian.tar.gz file?
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3123[19:08:21] <greycat> That's not an installable file by
itself. Most likely it's just one file from a *set* that
comprises a source package.
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3125[19:08:52] <Ryuken> How do I install this on Jessie?
replaced-url
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3126[19:08:56] <Ryuken> greycat
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3128[19:09:03] <Ryuken> From command line
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3130[19:09:08] <Ryuken> There's no package available
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3131[19:09:17] <greycat> "haxe" is the name of the
thing?
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3134[19:09:42] <Ryuken> Yes
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3135[19:09:49] <Ryuken> It's a programming language /
toolkit
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3136[19:10:17] <greycat> It has three links (from
replaced-url
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3137[19:10:20] <jgo> ahh it's a wonderful day
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3139[19:11:04] <greycat> Oh, apparently you are supposed to click
the TRIANGLE, not the blue text.
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3140[19:11:20] <Ryuken> greycat: apt-get returns E: Unable to
locate package haxe
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3141[19:11:21] <greycat> Clicking the triangle opens up a thing
with the full three-file source package.
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3144[19:11:28] <greycat> Download ALL THREE FILES, not just one.
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3146[19:11:41] <armin> Ryuken: did you try installing ocaml and
building it?
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3147[19:11:55] <Ryuken> greycat: So I transfer the files over
SFTP and run them through command line?
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3148[19:12:01] <greycat> !source
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3149[19:12:01] <dpkg> As an overview: to work with Debian source
packages, add a <deb-src> line to your sources list; cd to a
location with free space; download the source package with
<apt-get source>; edit <debian/rules> to taste; use
<dpkg-buildpackage> to build the new .deb. For more details,
also ask me about <package recompile> <backport>
<nmg> <policy> <source package>
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3150[19:12:10] <greycat> hmm....
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3152[19:12:16] <greycat> !dpkg-buildpackage
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3153[19:12:17] <dpkg> i guess dpkg-buildpackage is a program in
the dpkg-dev package that builds .debs from source. "aptitude
install fakeroot devscripts dpkg-dev build-essential" and run
'dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -rfakeroot' in the source
directory. Ask me about <package recompile>
<debian/rules> <source>.
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3154[19:12:32] <greycat> Damn it, where is the factoid for
this...
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3158[19:13:04] <greycat> Anyway, the .dsc is the MAIN FILE of the
three. It's the index. That's the one you run the dpkg
commands on to perform the extraction. Once it's properly
extracted and patched, then you can use the dpkg-buildpackage stuff.
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3159[19:13:24] <greycat> "dpkg-source -x *.dsc"
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3162[19:14:01] <greycat> You will need to install all of the
build-dependencies, probably by hand, because you won't have an
apt-get build-dep available to help you.
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3178[19:22:22] <mutante> how do you change which editor the
"editor" command starts
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3180[19:22:35] <greycat> update-alternatives --config editor
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3182[19:22:43] <mutante> thanks
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3225[19:38:40] <Ryuken> How do I check if a port is blocked?
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3233[19:41:11] <somiaj> Ryuken: by default it shouldn't be
on a debian system, but you can use iptables to list the current
rules.
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3234[19:41:26] <somiaj> Ryuken: if the port is being blocked by
your router or isp that is a different thing to check
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3235[19:42:37] <mattyjohn> Do anyone know how to report abuse if
someone doing spam posting on debian wiki
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3239[19:43:38] <Ryuken> I'm getting ""WebSocket
connection to 'ws://(ip address here):8000/' failed: Error
in connection establishment: net::ERR_CONNECTION_REFUSED"
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3240[19:43:46] <Ryuken> Not sure if it's because port 8000
is blocked by default?
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3243[19:44:11] <mattyjohn> someone is doing spam posting on
debian wiki could anyone do something in that matter?
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3244[19:44:35] <greycat> I don't even know who the wiki
admins are, let alone whether any of them idle here.
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3250[19:45:06] <mattyjohn> Can anyone tell me who is admin here?
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3255[19:47:35] <jmcnaught> mattyjohn: there's #debian-replaced-url
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3262[19:50:02] <stephanie92> Hey guys, i am unable to install
this package: linux-kbuild-4.5 even tho my kernel header requires
it. Any ideas?
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3263[19:50:14] <stephanie92> When i attempt to install it, it
says it doesn't exist
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3266[19:51:17] <mattyjohn> who is admin here could anyone le me
know?
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3270[19:52:26] <greycat> stephanie92: normally you install the
kernel headers by doing apt-get install linux-headers-"$(uname
-r)"
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3271[19:52:32] <stephanie92> When i attempt to install
linux-kbuild-4.5 with aptitude (rather than apt-get.. since aptitude
will usually address dependency issues better than apt-get), i
receive the following error:
replaced-url
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3273[19:52:40] <greycat> this is assuming you use a Debian kernel
of course
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3274[19:52:45] <jmcnaught> mattyjohn:
replaced-url
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3276[19:53:03] <stephanie92> greycat: Hi greycat, thank you
taking the time to hear me out (: .. yes i've also tried
installing the header using that command
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3278[19:53:33] <stephanie92> greycat: this is the header i'm
attempting to install: linux-headers-4.5.0-2-grsec-amd64 -in which
my kernel matches
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3279[19:53:36] <greycat> if you installed a kernel from
jessie-backports then you may also have to specify -t
jessie-backports on the header command too
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3280[19:53:53] <greycat> I don't know what that kernel is.
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3282[19:53:56] <stephanie92> greycat: yes dear, that's how i
attempted to install it the first time
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3283[19:54:08] <greycat> ,v linux-headers-4.5.0-2-grsec-amd64
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3284[19:54:09] <judd> Package: linux-headers-4.5.0-2-grsec-amd64
on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 4.5.7-1+grsec201606222150+1~bpo8+1;
sid: 4.5.7-1+grsec201606292300+1
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3285[19:54:22] <greycat> apt-get -t jessie-backports install
linux-headers-4.5.0-2-grsec-amd64
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3286[19:54:27] <stephanie92> greycat: 4.5.0-2-grsec-amd64
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3292[19:55:48] <stephanie92> greycat:
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3293[19:55:48] <stephanie92> The following packages have unmet
dependencies:
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3294[19:55:48] <stephanie92> linux-headers-4.5.0-2-grsec-amd64 :
Depends: linux-kbuild-4.5 but it is not installable
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3295[19:55:48] <stephanie92> E: Unable to correct problems, you
have held broken packages.
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use
replaced-url
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3298[19:56:11] <stephanie92> greycat: was kicked from deb for
spamming xD guess i should have pastebin'd
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3300[19:56:13] <stephanie92> sec
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3302[19:56:39] <stephanie92> greycat:
replaced-url
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3303[19:56:50] <stephanie92> greycat: that is when issuing -t
install as you recommended
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3304[19:57:07] <greycat> linux-kbuild-4.5 is a virtual package
but I have no idea who/what is supposed to provide it
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3305[19:57:28] <greycat> How deeply attached are you to this
kernel? Maybe you would have better luck grabbing something newer.
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3307[19:57:42] <stephanie92> greycat: erm, that is the newest
grsecure kernel
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3308[19:58:12] <greycat> Then it's beyond me. I don't
know anything about grsec.
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3310[19:59:06] <stephanie92> omg seriously?
replaced-url
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3313[19:59:49] <greycat> I doubt I'd love it. Looks like
it's causing you grief.
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3316[20:00:09] <stephanie92> greycat: hehe, it never has until
today ;3
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3318[20:00:26] <stephanie92> greycat: perhaps deb just released
this package today ..
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3323[20:01:22] <greycat> jessie-backports has packages providing
linux-kbuild-4.6 but not -4.5
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3324[20:01:35] <stephanie92> greycat: i know, it's the
oddest thing
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3325[20:01:39] <greycat> so that's why I'm thinking the
newer 4.6 kernels would be less griefy
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3328[20:02:12] <stephanie92> greycat: but but.. the newer kernels
don't have the same type of beauty as a grsecurity kernel.
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3329[20:02:27] <stephanie92> greycat: the security kernels are
more geared towards servers IMO
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3330[20:02:47] <greycat> I guess either you wait for
jessie-backports to be fixed, or you build your own grsecurity
kernel image + headers
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3331[20:02:56] <Ryuken> How do you open a port on debian
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3332[20:02:56] <stephanie92> greycat: ew
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3333[20:03:16] <greycat> Ryuken: There is no firewall by default.
A port is "open" if some service (daemon) is listening on
it.
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3334[20:03:17] <stephanie92> Ryuken: please specify which type of
port you're trying to open O_o
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3337[20:03:28] <somiaj> Ryuken: as I answered, by default all
ports are open, so unles you specifically closed it you don't
need to open it.
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3339[20:03:36] <Ryuken> 8000
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3340[20:03:38] <Ryuken> failed: Error in connection
establishment: net::ERR_CONNECTION_REFUSED
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3341[20:03:39] <towo`> Ryuken, start the service behind that
port, then it's open
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3343[20:03:55] <Ryuken> "WebSocket connection to
'ws://(ip address here):8000/' failed: Error in connection
establishment: net::ERR_CONNECTION_REFUSED
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3345[20:03:57] <stephanie92> Ryuken: Are you trying to connect to
a server or is this all internal?
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3346[20:04:09] <Ryuken> Connect to a server from my PC
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3347[20:04:13] <Ryuken> Using websockets
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3349[20:04:26] <stephanie92> Ryuken: issue netstat -lap and see
if your pc is listening
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3350[20:04:28] <Ryuken> A websocket server is running on the
server
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3351[20:04:32] <Ryuken> And I tested it locally and it works
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3352[20:04:38] <Ryuken> And the IP address is correct
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3353[20:04:42] <stephanie92> Ryuken: issue netstat -lap and see
if your pc is listening
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3354[20:04:44] <greycat> Is it listening on loopback only, or all
IPs?
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3355[20:05:31] <Ryuken> On the VPS or on my PC?
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3356[20:05:40] <stephanie92> Ryuken: on the vps.. xD
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3357[20:05:45] <greycat> On the machine where the alleged service
is running.
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3358[20:06:07] <stephanie92> greycat: 'alleged' XD
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3362[20:11:00] <greycat> A more modern command to use on the
server to see how it's listening would be: ss -ntl 'sport
= :8000'
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3363[20:11:11] <stephanie92> :O ss?
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3364[20:11:13] <stephanie92> never heard of it
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3365[20:11:23] <greycat> netstat is kinda deprecated now. ss is
supposed to replace it, eventually.
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3367[20:11:37] <stephanie92> interesting
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3369[20:11:58] <Ryuken>
replaced-url
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3370[20:12:12] <Ryuken> thats what ss returns
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3371[20:12:36] <Ryuken> Seems kind of weird that's all it
returns when I'm also running nginx
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3372[20:12:42] <greycat> 127.0.0.1:8000 means it is only
listening to loopback (localhost), not to the network
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3373[20:13:08] <stephanie92> greycat: going to attempt to install
source code on a grsec kernel with 3.12 headers. prey my server
doesn't xplode ;3
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3374[20:13:09] <Ryuken> What address should I provide it?
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3375[20:13:24] <Ryuken> The server-side code
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3377[20:13:45] <towo`> i don't think a vps is the right
playground for you if i think about your knowledge Ryuken
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3379[20:14:13] <Ryuken> towo` Thank you for the condensation.
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3381[20:14:26] <stephanie92> towo: we all had to start somewhere
:P
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3382[20:14:34] <greycat> Ryuken: The service is only listening to
loopback. I don't know if that's normal for this service
or not. It may have a configuration option for you to tell it to
listen on the network instead. Or listening directly on the network
may be a HORRIBLE SECURITY THING TO DO. I have no way of knowing.
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3383[20:14:42] <towo`> stephanie92, not with a server in the web
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3385[20:14:56] <stephanie92> towo: hehe maybe it's a
throwaway vps
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3388[20:15:17] <Ryuken> towo`: What's your occupation irl?
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3389[20:15:36] <stephanie92> oh gawd, here we go
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3391[20:15:52] <greycat> Ryuken: PS the word you wanted was
"condescension"
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3393[20:17:52] <Ryuken> Also why are you speaking as if I'm
running someone else's service
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3394[20:18:03] <Ryuken> It's all low-level
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3396[20:18:29] <stephanie92> Ryuken: don't be so easily
offended. Just keep your head down and continue to learn
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3397[20:18:40] <greycat> It's something you programmed? Then
you should know how to tell it to listen on all interfaces instead
of only on loopback.
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3401[20:19:52] <Ryuken> stephanie92: Continue to learn what? To
be a Sys Admin making 50k a year working at some boring place with
poor benefits, no thanks.
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3404[20:20:28] <greycat> You're asking us questions about
network services, so presumably this is an area where you are trying
to learn.
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3407[20:21:01] <Ryuken> You don't need to know about NetSec
to be a programmer, that's a specialization
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3409[20:21:02] <greycat> The software application decides which
interface to listen to. The exact call will depend on the
programming language.
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