• 0[00:00:05] <leba2> Iridos, TomTomTosh: then why does this happen out of the box replaced-url
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• 4[00:01:13] <Iridos> leba2, because this used the CD1 image?
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• 7[00:02:02] <Iridos> anyway, I don't see the drama of commenting out a single line
• 8[00:02:34] <Iridos> or deleting it
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• 12[00:03:19] <Iridos> I so much don't see the drama that I am completely unable to recall if I had to do it for the netinst image
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• 18[00:07:21] <Iridos> 60 lines of text for the instruction "remove the line starting with cdrom: in /etc/apt/sources.list"
• 19[00:07:24] <Iridos> weee
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• 21[00:07:43] <leba2> Is there a way to manually configure network and network time from Debian installer?
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• 39[00:10:23] <TTT> hi, is it possible to force a device name for a wireless card. I have a ath9k chip, and I replaced my card, and it went from wlan1 to wlp4s0
• 40[00:10:30] <TTT> I want it to be wlan1
• 41[00:11:12] <TTT> i checked parameters for ath* kernel modules, it doesn't look like there's anything there
• 42[00:12:00] <TTT> udev?
• 43[00:12:42] <TTT> got it, it looks like I can change it in udev rules
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• 45[00:13:25] <Kiril> hello guys
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• 47[00:13:48] <Kiril> can you help me around
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• 49[00:14:08] <TTT> Kiril, what's wrong?
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• 52[00:14:19] <Kiril> my goal is to setup debian as a dhcp client once on the one lan card and dhcp server on the other
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• 56[00:15:39] <TTT> Kiril, i think you can do client in /etc/network/interfaces on the iface where it needs to be a client
• 57[00:16:10] <TTT> which dhcp server are you using, isc-dhcp-server?
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• 62[00:17:28] <TTT> Kiril, for that one, you can change /etc/default/isc-dhcp-server, and set the interface on which the server runs
• 63[00:17:43] <leba2> Is there a way to manually configure network and network time from Debian installer?
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• 66[00:18:31] <mtn> leba2: configuring the network is one of the first things the installer does.
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• 68[00:18:37] <MeanEYE> Anyone running Debian testing has issues with segafuling programs.
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• 70[00:18:49] <MeanEYE> Today's update broke something really badly.
• 71[00:18:57] <TTT> leba2, for network time, look at nbd-client
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• 73[00:19:00] <markybob> MeanEYE: read /topic about testing support
• 74[00:19:07] <MeanEYE> God damn it.
• 75[00:19:21] <MeanEYE> If people there actually answered questions I wouldn't ask them here.
• 76[00:19:35] <MeanEYE> I asked there and as usual silence.
• 77[00:20:08] <markybob> the attitude helps. it's off topic here. be patient.
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• 85[00:21:52] <MeanEYE> I know it doesn't. But I get told that same thing every time.
• 86[00:21:56] <MeanEYE> It's annoying.
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• 88[00:22:25] <leba2> Ah... but I just thought there was an actual way to manually configure them from installer *without* letting it do it automatically.
• 89[00:22:25] <TTT> gotta reboot, bye
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• 93[00:23:21] <markybob> MeanEYE: if you're not okay with such things don't run testing.
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• 98[00:26:44] <Keyboard_> Hi
• 99[00:26:49] <Keyboard_> replaced-url
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• 108[00:29:44] <MeanEYE> markybob, I am okay with it. I was just wondering if someone else experienced the same issue.
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• 111[00:29:57] <MeanEYE> It's actually nvidia binary blob. Surprise surprise.
• 112[00:30:03] <MeanEYE> In case someone else comes asking.
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• 134[00:40:14] <Jeffrey01> Hi
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• 139[00:41:38] <teraflops> hola
• 140[00:42:16] <Jeffrey01> Wow teraflops
• 141[00:42:30] <teraflops> sip
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• 143[00:43:08] <Jeffrey01> Eres un hacker de debian?
• 144[00:43:19] <teraflops> no
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• 146[00:44:45] <markybob> nothing. back on topic.
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• 151[00:45:16] <Jeffrey01> What topic
• 152[00:45:21] <markybob> !tell Jeffrey01 about offtopic
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• 155[00:46:38] <Jeffrey01> markybob: i have an issue in debian
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• 161[00:49:07] <socomm> Jeffrey01: /join #debian-es
• 162[00:49:19] <leba2> It's said here Debian 8.5 uses by default vi instead of vim. Well, if I just type "vi" I get that I'm running *vim*. Anyway, with command :set nocp I got back my known vim functionality, except that I cannot backspace beyond lines!
• 163[00:49:24] <leba2> I have to use Del key.
• 164[00:49:27] <leba2> WTH....
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• 166[00:49:58] <socomm> Jeffrey01: Canal Espanol de Debian.
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• 169[00:50:28] <socomm> leba2: Did you install vim/
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• 172[00:50:53] <Jeffrey01> socomm: I know speak English, but thanks
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• 174[00:51:18] <socomm> Jeffrey01: Okay, amigou.
• 175[00:51:20] <Jeffrey01> Why pcsc-tools doesn't work in debian?
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• 179[00:52:25] <teraflops> it doesn't?
• 180[00:52:39] <socomm> You'll have to be more specific. What doesn't work? Is there a particular error you're getting?
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• 183[00:53:43] <Jeffrey01> Socomm, it is searching the card reader all the time
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• 185[00:54:03] <Jeffrey01> It doesn't recognise my card reader
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• 187[00:54:37] <Jeffrey01> I tried it in Ubuntu, and it works perfectly
• 188[00:54:46] <Jeffrey01> But not in debian
• 189[00:55:18] <socomm> Jeffrey01: Ubuntu, never heard of that. Does it run on x86 computers?
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• 191[00:55:45] <btcNeverSleeps> Jeffrey01: I just arrived in the channel but... Had to use the latest Debian stretch / Debian 9 alpha to get several chipsets of my mobo recognized (and my M.2 SDD as well)
• 192[00:55:52] <Jeffrey01> 64 bits
• 193[00:56:12] <socomm> Jeffrey01: Maybe its a driver issue. Do you have correct kernel modules loaded for your card reader?
• 194[00:57:05] <up2late> any suggestions for cool lxde themes?
• 195[00:57:07] <Jeffrey01> Pcsc-tools is the driver
• 196[00:57:36] <Jeffrey01> What do you mean with kernel modules?
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• 198[00:57:53] <socomm> replaced-url
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• 200[00:58:09] <socomm> I thought pcsc-tools were just tools, not necessarily the driver.
• 201[00:58:37] <teraflops> Jeffrey01: is your reader here replaced-url
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• 204[01:00:01] <socomm> Jeffrey01: Do you know the make+model of your card reader?
• 205[01:00:19] <leba2> socomm: no, this is a default Debian 8.5 minimal install. Yet, when running vi by just typing "vi" the welcome text says I'm running *vim*.
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• 209[01:02:08] <Jeffrey01> socomm: woxter smart card reader combo
• 210[01:02:17] <jmcnaught> leba2: it's the vim-tiny package. you can read the description and also "update-alternatives --display vi" to see what provides vi
• 211[01:03:20] <teraflops> leba2: vi is an old editor, vim is vi(improved) and it's a superset so when you install vim vi defaults to vim
• 212[01:03:31] <teraflops> or that's what I think :P
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• 216[01:04:33] <socomm> I thought vim and vi were two different programs. Although on some distros I've seen vi get linked to vim.
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• 223[01:05:54] <leba2> jmcnaught, socomm, teraflops: wow, I installed the package vim once and for all, now it works like it should indeed! Even by just using command vi instead of vim I got my known functionality! Perhaps it's like jmcnaught just said?
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• 225[01:06:28] <leba2> But even if so, is it that "normal complete vim" overrides "vim-tiny"?
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• 230[01:07:43] <teraflops> leba2: no idea I switched to neovim time ago :P
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• 234[01:09:27] <Jeffrey01> It should works.. Because it's an USB card reader. I think pcsc-tools (and others libraries) are sufficient to maintain a communication with the card. It's an abstraction to have the communication between all readers
• 235[01:09:51] <socomm> leba2: Probably just a symlink.
• 236[01:09:53] <jmcnaught> leba2: yes the vim package you just installed overrides the vim-tiny package using Debian's alternatives system. You can also install vim-nox or vim-gnome for more features
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• 238[01:10:11] <teraflops> Jeffrey01: nope
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• 243[01:11:34] <socomm> Jeffrey01: See teraflops link for supported SC readers.
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• 247[01:11:48] <jmcnaught> actually the example on the update-alternatives man page is vi
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• 251[01:12:43] <leba2> jmcnaught: wait, I had never heard about this "vim-tiny" thing. What a horrible vim version! It's not usable out of the box, and the only way to make it more usable (though not 100%) is by starting with ":set nocp"!
• 252[01:13:02] <Jeffrey01> socomm: and you mean that in debian there are things I can't do..... And I can in Ubuntu...... (?)
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• 258[01:14:12] <teraflops> Jeffrey01: sure youre smart enough to figure it out, maybe newer kernel, maybe pcsc-tools from backports…
• 259[01:15:02] <teraflops> maybe looking at the lsusb output and searching the intertubes…
• 260[01:15:03] <Jeffrey01> Yes, I tried that.. Unless one thing
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• 265[01:16:15] <Jeffrey01> How can I update all dependencies of one package?
• 266[01:16:26] <teraflops> even (is you have ubuntu at hand, ans you have time) you can see what it changes there
• 267[01:16:41] <teraflops> s/is/if
• 268[01:16:52] <somiaj> Jeffrey01: why do you want to just update all dependencies of one package?
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• 271[01:17:31] <leba2> Also, can someone explain me what's " eval "`dircolors`" " for? I wanted bash colors back, so found this replaced-url
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• 273[01:17:55] <Jeffrey01> somiaj: because I think that pcsc-tools doesn't work because its old dependencies
• 274[01:18:02] <somiaj> leba2: that can be used to set the colors of different files like .tex, .sh, .pdf, etc
• 275[01:18:34] <somiaj> Jeffrey01: you are talking about the version of pcsc-tools in jessie-backports?
• 276[01:18:37] <teraflops> leba2: as in replaced-url
• 277[01:18:38] <somiaj> ,v pcsc-tools
• 278[01:18:39] <judd> Package: pcsc-tools on amd64 -- squeeze: 1.4.16-1; wheezy: 1.4.20-1; jessie: 1.4.23-1; stretch: 1.4.26-1; sid: 1.4.27-1
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• 280[01:19:21] <somiaj> actually there is no version in jessie-backports, if you want to run a newer version in jessie than 1.4.23, you'll have to make your own backport
• 281[01:19:44] <Jeffrey01> somiaj: no. My version of pcsc-tools is the last. Maybe its dependencies are very old
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• 283[01:20:08] <somiaj> Jeffrey01: what do you mean the latest? What version of debian are you running?
• 284[01:20:15] <teraflops> Jeffrey01: are you in debian jessie? you said the latest
• 285[01:20:18] <teraflops> heh
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• 287[01:20:28] <Jeffrey01> somiaj: yes sorry, the latest
• 288[01:20:40] <somiaj> Jeffrey01: are you installing packages from testing/unstable in a jessie system?
• 289[01:20:42] <Jeffrey01> Yes, Jessie
• 290[01:20:46] <teraflops> Jeffrey01: nah it's fine but are you in debian stable?
• 291[01:21:02] <teraflops> dang sorry im slow
• 292[01:21:06] <Jeffrey01> Yes, Jessie stable
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• 294[01:21:25] <Jeffrey01> And I have the latest version of pcsc-tools
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• 297[01:21:47] <Jeffrey01> It works in Ubuntu but not in debian
• 298[01:21:55] <somiaj> Jeffrey01: you have yet to clear up what you mean by latest, please paste the outuput of 'apt-cache policy pcsc-tools' at paste.debian.net
• 299[01:22:03] <Jeffrey01> Maybe it is because the dependencies
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• 305[01:22:52] <somiaj> Jeffrey01: note, debian stable is frozen, and comes with an older version of pcsc-tools compared to ubuntu.
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• 309[01:23:38] <leba2> somiaj, teraflops: sorry, still cannot get it. In /etc/bash.bashrc, by just adding only this one line at the end " alias ls='ls --color=auto' " I get bash colors like I know them!
• 310[01:23:55] <Jeffrey01> somiaj: I installed pcsc-tools from official website, with the source code. I didn't install it from apt
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• 312[01:24:17] <markybob> !frankenddebian
• 313[01:24:30] <markybob> !frankendebian
• 314[01:24:30] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help.
• 315[01:24:35] <teraflops> leba2: that's fine I like my own set of colors so I tune .dircolors
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• 317[01:25:05] <Jeffrey01> And now I'm not at pc. I can't try that somiaj
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• 319[01:25:53] <leba2> teraflops: wait, so dircolors is only in case I have custom colors?
• 320[01:26:06] <leba2> If not, I can just use color=auto?
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• 322[01:26:20] <teraflops> leba2: imagine you want jpg files pink when you do ls :P
• 323[01:26:32] <Jeffrey01> So I thought it is because debian use old packages...
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• 326[01:26:47] <Jeffrey01> Uses*
• 327[01:26:57] <leba2> So it's just for customization purposes....
• 328[01:27:09] <teraflops> right
• 329[01:27:09] <somiaj> leba2: all the eval colors does is set different things. Do you notice with the default ls --color=auto (without running dircolors) that files with extensions like .tex, .pdf, etc get color, or is it only color directories (blue), and executable files (green)
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• 331[01:27:49] <leba2> I think they had...
• 332[01:27:58] <leba2> *did have
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• 334[01:28:10] <cmtptr> can someone please explain to a out-of-the-loop person what's going on with iceweasel/firefox? I gather that debian is migrating to firefox-branded firefox, but why does it want to upgrade my iceweasel to this firefox-esr thing? is there a non-esr firefox?
• 335[01:28:13] <teraflops> leba2: try it and see^
• 336[01:28:23] <somiaj> leba2: but that eval line isn't needed to see color, but I do use it to make some custom changes to what different .foo files look like.
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• 338[01:28:42] <Jeffrey01> I have to go people, thanks for your help :)
• 339[01:28:44] <leba2> Thanks.
• 340[01:28:47] <teraflops> Jeffrey01: np
• 341[01:28:49] <leba2> Need to go
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• 343[01:29:25] <somiaj> cmtptr: iceweasel in stable has always been firefox esr
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• 347[01:30:14] <cmtptr> ah, I didn't realize that. so they're just calling it firefox-esr now, even though there's still no firefox package?
• 348[01:30:32] <somiaj> cmtptr: and the security policy in debian has been to give the current esr version of firefox for security fixes in stable. It is just now it is called firefox, not firefox esr
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• 351[01:31:59] <cmtptr> huh? if I type apt-cache policy firefox it says: Candidate: (none) Version table: <nothing>
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• 353[01:33:29] <somiaj> cmtptr: there is a firefox package in sid, but unsure if future releases are going to provide both firefox and firefox-esr, or if this is going to be provided through mozilla.debian.net
• 354[01:33:40] <mrrhq> cmtptr: Iceweasel IS now Firefox, to be clear about it. They got the whole licencing issue sorted out.
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• 356[01:33:47] <somiaj> cmtptr: mozilla.debian.net has proivded the non-esr version of iceweasel for those who want it.
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• 358[01:34:17] <somiaj> ,v firefox
• 359[01:34:18] <judd> Package: firefox on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 47.0.1-1~bpo80+1; sid: 47.0.1-1; experimental: 48.0~b1-1
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• 362[01:35:08] <cmtptr> thanks!
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• 506[02:30:53] <Dirkson> Hey all. Finally trying to work with systemd... how do I see what happened what I attempt to start a service? It seems to be silently failing on me.
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• 511[02:34:00] <jim> is it systemdctl or journalctl? I forget
• 512[02:34:40] <jim> or maybe systemctl
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• 525[02:39:37] <jim> systemctl seems to be a thing... try systemctl list-units
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• 527[02:40:03] <Dirkson> jim: Yeah, I found that, but I can't find the portion of it that outputs what's going on.
• 528[02:40:59] <jim> so you wanted to find a service and whether it got started or not... right?
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• 530[02:41:34] <Dirkson> jim: My service is listed there, and it isn't in red. But it isn't currently running.
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• 536[02:42:17] <jim> ok,,, what's its name?
• 537[02:42:27] <Dirkson> jim: anope
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• 540[02:43:05] <jim> does it say in the list-units listing whether it's active?
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• 542[02:43:43] <Dirkson> jim: It says "loaded" "active" "existed". I am unsure what each word means.
• 543[02:43:56] <jim> exited?
• 544[02:44:19] <Dirkson> jim: There are three columns of status. It doesn't really give a breakdown of what each solumn is supposed to mean.
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• 547[02:44:52] <jim> the third word, is it "existed" or "exited"?
• 548[02:45:07] <Dirkson> jim: Ah, sorry. "exited".
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• 552[02:46:22] <jim> so the following is a guess... I think some of these "units" start services, and others just run once, it may be that your anope service is in the latter category
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• 556[02:47:15] <jim> maybe you want your anope service to be "started"
• 557[02:47:18] <Dirkson> jim: That'd indicate an unnoticed debian bug in a major package, which are fairly rare. This IS a backports package, though.
• 558[02:48:21] <Dirkson> The lack of feedback from "systemctl start anope.service" is really frustrating. It just drops me back to the command line. Did you run it? Successfully? Unsuccessfully? Did it have any output? These are things I'd generally be interesting in knowing.
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• 561[02:50:03] <jim> oh, ok... so this is at the edge of my knowledge... and since I do want to learn more of systemd, it's probably worth it to me to continue... before going any further, what's anope do?
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• 563[02:50:58] <Dirkson> jim: It's services for IRC servers. "nickserv", "chanserv", and the like. It's not my first choice, but the debian package of my first choice doesn't have a module I need.
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• 566[02:53:09] <Dirkson> jim: This is my first time interacting in any major way with systemd. So far, I am not having a very enjoyable experience.
• 567[02:53:37] <jim> are you also putting up an ircd?
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• 569[02:54:23] <Dirkson> jim: Yup, it's up fine and I'm connected. I could definitely have screwed up configuring anope... But normally I'd tell that by watching the output of the startup attempt. And I can't find that in systemd
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• 572[02:58:05] <wh0ami> hi guys
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• 575[02:58:24] <wh0ami> im trying to upgrade my distro from wheezy to jessie
• 576[02:58:28] <wh0ami> but i got a problem with it
• 577[02:59:13] <wh0ami> replaced-url
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• 583[03:03:27] <jim> wh0ami, you might want to first bring it uptodate with the latest-possible wheezy before going on to jessie
• 584[03:03:33] <jim> but what's going on/
• 585[03:03:35] <jim> ?
• 586[03:04:00] <wh0ami> after installing and configuring a lot of packages
• 587[03:04:07] <wh0ami> it shows conflict with udev
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• 589[03:04:47] <wh0ami> jim: replaced-url
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• 591[03:05:55] <jim> is that the jessie udev?
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• 595[03:07:21] <jim> also, what's your uname -r? and, a listing of /boot to see which kernels there are would be good
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• 598[03:08:31] <jim> ,v apt
• 599[03:08:33] <judd> Package: apt on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.8.10.3+squeeze1; squeeze-security-lts: 0.8.10.3+squeeze7; wheezy-security: 0.9.7.9+deb7u6; wheezy: 0.9.7.9+deb7u7; jessie: 1.0.9.8.3; sid: 1.2.14; stretch: 1.2.14; experimental: 1.3~exp3
• 600[03:09:11] <jim> that's definitely the jessie version of apt
• 601[03:10:12] <jim> what's it doing right now?
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• 608[03:12:51] <wh0ami> jim: uname -r 3.8.13-xxxx-grs-ipv6-64
• 609[03:13:13] <wh0ami> ls /boot/ System.map-3.8.13-xxxx-grs-ipv6-64 bzImage-3.8.13-xxxx-grs-ipv6-64 grub
• 610[03:13:32] <jim> ok, you want the debian one for 3.16
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• 614[03:14:00] <jim> which isnt installed right now according to the ls
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• 616[03:14:48] <jim> wh0ami, and, please answer this: what is your machine doing right now?
• 617[03:15:02] <wh0ami> jim: what do u mean with that?
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• 620[03:15:30] <jim> are you runnign the dist-upgrade now? or is it exited?
• 621[03:15:34] <wh0ami> replaced-url
• 622[03:15:36] <jim> or, what is it doing?
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• 624[03:16:01] <wh0ami> yeah it was running dist-upgrade, i rebooted, apt-get update and apt-get upgrade i see a lot not installed packets and then i did again dist-upgrade
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• 626[03:16:41] <jim> do you have aptitude?
• 627[03:17:10] <wh0ami> jim: if you refer to command yes
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• 630[03:17:56] <jim> ok, try this: (nothing else right now):
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• 632[03:18:30] <jim> aptitude install linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64
• 633[03:19:04] <jim> it could take awhile to install that, apparantly it needs other pkgs
• 634[03:20:17] <wh0ami> jim: replaced-url
• 635[03:20:43] <xcel-> whats the easiest way to update bios? or is there some autodetect software im not sure my bios has the proper power settings
• 636[03:20:50] <jmcnaught> Dirkson: did you look at "systemctl status anope" or "journalctl -u anope"?
• 637[03:21:56] <jim> wh0ami, sec, let me look
• 638[03:22:01] <wh0ami> ok
• 639[03:22:38] <Dirkson> jmcnaught: Yes and no respectively. Looking at journalctl -u anope results in a single line tellming me the dates of nonexistant logs.
• 640[03:22:49] <jim> whoa, that is a lot
• 641[03:23:08] <jim> say no, and do this instead:
• 642[03:23:21] <jim> aptitude -d install linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64
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• 644[03:23:43] <jim> the difference is, it will grab the package files and stop
• 645[03:24:16] <jim> you can say yes, go ahead
• 646[03:24:18] <wh0ami> keep in the same way
• 647[03:24:19] <wh0ami> ok
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• 649[03:24:32] <wh0ami> then i accept evrything right?
• 650[03:24:34] <wh0ami> everything*
• 651[03:24:45] * jim winces...
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• 653[03:25:01] <jmcnaught> Dirkson: that's the output you're missing then. What happens if you just run "/etc/init.d/anope start" ? It could be that the program needs to be configured before it can start properly
• 654[03:25:11] <jim> well one thign, how much space is in your /var?
• 655[03:25:49] <jim> (it's going to put the packages in /var/cache/apt/archives)
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• 658[03:26:08] <Dirkson> jmcnaught: No output
• 659[03:26:21] <wh0ami> jim: /dev/root 20G 7.6G 11G 42% /
• 660[03:26:29] <wh0ami> i think not enough
• 661[03:26:47] <jim> maybe that is enoughf
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• 663[03:27:00] <jim> tell ya what,
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• 665[03:27:12] <jmcnaught> Dirkson: did you read /usr/share/doc/anope/README.Debian ?
• 666[03:27:21] <jim> do apt-get clean first, then the df /var again
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• 668[03:27:51] <wh0ami> 37%
• 669[03:28:09] <jim> well show the line
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• 671[03:28:39] <wh0ami> /dev/root 20026236 6954632 12047656 37% /
• 672[03:28:40] <Dirkson> jmcnaught: Nope. Why would I have? I did successfully configure anope.
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• 676[03:29:17] <jim> there's a little more space, your're probably safe to go ahead
• 677[03:29:27] <Dirkson> jmcnaught: But that does definitely do it. Thanks!
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• 681[03:30:48] <wh0ami> jim: yeah installed :D
• 682[03:30:51] <wh0ami> now reboot?
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• 684[03:31:15] <jmcnaught> Dirkson: it's worth making a habit of always reading the README.Debian file :)
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• 687[03:32:36] <jim> wait
• 688[03:32:44] <jim> what command did you run?
• 689[03:33:45] <jim> (that was -awfully- fast)
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• 692[03:34:32] <jim> jmcnaught, when you have a moment... what about writing such a file?
• 693[03:34:36] <wh0ami> aptitude -d install linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64
• 694[03:34:37] <Devastator> jmcnaught good evening, you helped me a lot when I first tried KVM and you suggested the use of LVM, would you also consider useful using LVM in desktop?
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• 696[03:35:00] <jim> wh0ami, ok, take the -d off and run it again
• 697[03:35:29] <jmcnaught> jim: for anope the README.Debian had instructions for changing a value in /etc/default/anope to allow it to start
• 698[03:35:52] <jmcnaught> Devastator: i use LVM on all my desktops
• 699[03:35:53] <jim> oh ok :) thanks for the comment
• 700[03:37:04] <jmcnaught> jim: i did "apt-get download anope" and then used mc to read the README
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• 702[03:37:35] <wh0ami> jim: finished with: Current status: 233 updates [-46].
• 703[03:37:48] <Devastator> jmcnaught if I tell you the size of my hdd (or the partition I made for linux), would you give me your suggestion on how should I use that space while partitioning? eg, /, swap and /home
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• 707[03:38:45] <jim> wh0ami, ok, could you do... ls /boot | nc termbin.com 9999
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• 709[03:39:27] <wh0ami> replaced-url
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• 711[03:39:41] <jmcnaught> Devastator: what i recommend doing is using the guided partitioning with LVM, then go to the configure LVM screen, delete the largest volume (either / or /home), create it again but smaller, (and remember to configure the mount point on the main partitioning screen).. this way you have space left over that you can allocated to whichever volume needs it later (or use it for snapshots or new volumes)
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• 713[03:39:57] <jim> hmm. it's not there
• 714[03:40:04] <jim> hold off, don't reboot
• 715[03:40:34] <jim> what was the last command you ran before the ls /boot?
• 716[03:40:53] <jmcnaught> wh0ami: what kind of system is this? Is it a VPS?
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• 720[03:41:44] <wh0ami> aptitude install linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64
• 721[03:41:44] <Devastator> jmcnaught for 240GB and 16GB of RAM, how would you partition it? 10GB /, 2GB swap and 150GB /home?
• 722[03:41:54] <wh0ami> if u need whole output replaced-url
• 723[03:41:58] <wh0ami> jmcnaught: a dedicated server
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• 725[03:42:40] <jmcnaught> Devastator: you probably want more space on / if you're not going to leave unallocated space
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• 729[03:43:57] <jmcnaught> wh0ami: i think you're dealing with a problem where udev package will not upgrade because of a missing kernel feature, so you're trying to switch to a debian kernel to complete the upgrade.. is that correct?
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• 731[03:44:22] <wh0ami> jmcnaught: yes
• 732[03:44:32] <wh0ami> not sure if is the best choice or not
• 733[03:45:01] <jmcnaught> wh0ami: where did that strange kernel come from?
• 734[03:45:03] <jim> thats what I thought would work
• 735[03:45:22] <wh0ami> from ovh
• 736[03:45:27] <wh0ami> i didnt changed the kernel
• 737[03:45:41] <Devastator> jmcnaught well, using that as base, I would still have 78GB unallocated
• 738[03:45:44] <jmcnaught> does ovh have instructions on upgrading to jessie with their custom kernel/derivative
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• 741[03:46:19] <jmcnaught> Devastator: sounds okay then, you'll probably need to make / larger at some point. Also if you want to hibernate make sure you have enough swap to hold your RAM
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• 744[03:46:43] <jim> when you have a moment... what's ovh?
• 745[03:47:09] <jmcnaught> jim: OVH is a hosting provider
• 746[03:47:11] <wh0ami> jmcnaught: i have no idea
• 747[03:47:14] <wh0ami> yeah
• 748[03:47:20] <jim> oh ok
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• 751[03:47:57] <somiaj> Are they using a shared kernel using lxc containers? It might not be possible to upgrade if so.
• 752[03:48:00] <jim> so the jist must be... they have their own kernels meant to run with their service
• 753[03:48:14] <jmcnaught> wh0ami: you should ask them or look on their knowledge base, it can't be the first time one of their customers has tried to upgrade a server to jessie
• 754[03:48:34] <Devastator> jmcnaught hum, so maybe 15GB /, 32GB swap (should be double RAM size or same amount) and 150GB /home, would leave me with 43GB unallocated
• 755[03:48:50] <Devastator> about the RAM, it was a question hehe
• 756[03:48:57] <Devastator> I forgot the question mark
• 757[03:49:16] <jmcnaught> Devastator: that swap size might be overkill. as far as i know the swap only needs enough space to hold the used memory
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• 759[03:51:06] <Devastator> jmcnaught I guess I will use 16GB to match the ram size then, does the rest look sane? reasonable?
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• 763[03:52:26] * JuaNCruZ- is back from: $null - was away for: 2426wks 5days 51mins 55secs
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• 766[03:53:03] <jmcnaught> Devastator: it looks okay to me. I have 8GB of RAM and an 8GB swap, usually i'm only using about half of my RAM
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• 768[03:53:41] <Devastator> jmcnaught and if you don't mind me asking, which Window Manager do you use?
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• 770[03:54:09] <jmcnaught> Devastator: gnome
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• 772[03:55:24] <Devastator> jmcnaught thank you, I think I'm all set :)
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• 776[03:56:12] <jmcnaught> Devastator: you're welcome
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• 804[04:14:05] <FuriousGeorge> hey all
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• 807[04:15:00] <FuriousGeorge> nvidia hdmi audio is driving me nuts. i see the sound card on each of my gpu's when i lscpi, however aplacy -l returns "no soundcards found"
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• 809[04:15:44] <FuriousGeorge> and i know i've had it working with these same cards on a different motherboard, but the motherboard should not matter, i'd think
• 810[04:16:02] <FuriousGeorge> i have the onboard sound disabled in the bios, but that should also not matter, i'd think
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• 813[04:16:22] <Kiril> hello
• 814[04:16:29] <Kiril> could you help me around here.
• 815[04:16:44] <Kiril> So i have a linux server running debian 8.5
• 816[04:16:51] <Kiril> i have two lan cards
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• 819[04:17:35] <Kiril> my point is to use one for wan eth1 (recieving via dhcp client ) and the other eth0 for local network with wi-fi router
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• 821[04:18:08] <Kiril> i am not sure why and where something is broken and only the linux server is alive
• 822[04:18:19] <Kiril> and i don't have i-net access to the router
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• 825[04:19:07] <jim> I run this old package, they took it out of debian, but I fixed it and it works (as long as the kernel has iptables)
• 826[04:19:16] <jim> it's called ipmasq
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• 831[04:21:35] <wh0ami> thanks for all ur help jim
• 832[04:21:40] <wh0ami> ill see tomorrow what to do
• 833[04:21:43] <jim> what it does is look at your interfaces, and using that information (including, which one has the default route and can therefore get to the rest of the internet), and "calculates" a firewall, and uses iptables to assemble what it calculated
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• 835[04:21:45] <wh0ami> bye
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• 837[04:21:52] <dvs> !v iptables-persistent
• 838[04:22:01] <dvs> ,v iptables-persistent
• 839[04:22:02] <judd> Package: iptables-persistent on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.0.20100801; wheezy: 0.5.7+deb7u1; jessie: 1.0.3+deb8u1; sid: 1.0.4; stretch: 1.0.4
• 840[04:22:57] <Kiril> so could you help me ?
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• 842[04:23:18] <jim> I could make this thing available
• 843[04:23:54] <Kiril> tcl-tls is kind of too old too
• 844[04:24:00] <Kiril> must be fixed asap
• 845[04:24:19] <jim> dunno what that is
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• 848[04:24:43] <Kiril> rc tcl-tls 1.6+dfsg-3 amd64 TLS OpenSSL extension to Tcl
• 849[04:24:51] <jim> are your interfaces configured?
• 850[04:24:58] <Kiril> i believe so
• 851[04:25:14] <jim> I'll get you the sources
• 852[04:25:30] <jim> you can just build the package, it's pretty easy
• 853[04:25:38] <Kiril> latest version of this package is 1.6.7
• 854[04:26:01] <Kiril> a lof of people using tcl need this and can't because it's old
• 855[04:26:11] <jim> (just so you know, I'm not talking about this tcl thing)
• 856[04:26:22] <Kiril> i have already sent two emails to the owner of this package
• 857[04:26:26] <Kiril> no response from him
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• 859[04:26:57] <Kiril> jim , about my issue with the network
• 860[04:27:02] <jim> sec, let me see if I can find ths thing
• 861[04:27:09] <Kiril> what do you need like info to try to resolve it
• 862[04:27:39] <jim> locate it, which I just did
• 863[04:27:45] <Kiril> replaced-url
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• 865[04:28:18] <jim> but (again) I'm not talking about this tcl tls thing)
• 866[04:28:28] <Kiril> ah ;)
• 867[04:28:31] <Kiril> sorry
• 868[04:28:36] <jim> np
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• 870[04:28:53] <Kiril> this package will help me how?
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• 872[04:29:27] <jim> by performing the routing between interfaces, such that you have an internal net behind a masq
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• 876[04:29:58] <jim> is that something you'd be interested in?
• 877[04:30:04] <Kiril> i believe so
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• 879[04:30:32] <jim> ok, where can I put these two files...
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• 881[04:31:22] <jim> where can I put a .tar.gz so you can get it? (like a pastebin for binary files)
• 882[04:31:40] <Kiril> no matter
• 883[04:31:52] <Kiril> do you have some web server
• 884[04:32:01] <Kiril> where i can download it via whet
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• 887[04:32:59] <jim> I dont, that's why I'm wondering how to get these files to you
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• 890[04:33:45] <Kiril> use for example zippyshare.com
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• 894[04:37:05] <jim> replaced-url
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• 901[04:38:27] <jim> (now if you've made some iptables rules, you might want to get rid of them)
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• 904[04:39:46] <jim> a couple other things you might want to set up, is a dns, and a dhcp server to hand out IPs in the range of your internal net
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• 906[04:42:07] <jim> let me know when you have the files
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• 914[04:45:56] <Kiril> rdy
• 915[04:46:00] <Kiril> downloaded
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• 917[04:46:27] <jim> ok, make a dir to put them both in (or maybe you did that)
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• 921[04:47:20] <Kiril> rdy
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• 923[04:47:50] <jim> then type... dpkg-source -x *.dsc
• 924[04:48:40] <Kiril> replaced-url
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• 927[04:50:47] <jim> it did the extraction... (just failed to check signature)
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• 929[04:51:52] <jim> then, cd ipmasq-4.0.8
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• 931[04:52:36] <Kiril> yes
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• 936[04:54:58] <jim> (if you look at debian/control you'll see there are depends... so:) aptitude install debhelper debiandoc-sgml iptables
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• 938[04:56:17] <jim> let me know when that's done... the versions in jessie should be fine
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• 944[04:58:02] <computer> is there a way to use the debian auto install, but not exclude grub bootloader?
• 945[04:58:23] <computer> i mean, exclude grub
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• 947[04:58:39] <Akuw> once a encrypted file system is mounted, when i umount and mount again don't request password?
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• 965[05:06:47] <computer> ah - found my answer - thanks all!
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• 975[05:09:16] <socomm> You're welcome.
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• 982[05:19:32] <Akuw> i encrypt one partition and can access without problem, but after restart got cryptsetup: lvm is not available
• 983[05:20:14] <awal1> A bit confused here about cron / updatedb /mlocate. when cron is run exactly?
• 984[05:21:00] <awal1> looked at /etc/default/cron if that's the cron config file and all is commented, no reference to time execution
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• 989[05:24:17] <awal1> just a bit confused because I purged qemu-kvm & qemu and all there dependencies & recommends (script has been very helpful) but mlocate still locating almost all qemu & kvm stuff in etc, var.... But when I check those directories there is no trace of the files/directories listed by mlocate
• 990[05:24:54] <ryouma> awal1: look at cron.d and stuff?
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• 992[05:25:44] <Akuw> i encrypt one partition and can access without problem, but after restart got cryptsetup: lvm is not available
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• 995[05:27:10] <orlock> Dumb question time
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• 997[05:27:28] <orlock> I'm after mysql 5.0.15-1 for etch i686
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• 999[05:27:36] <orlock> i'm having some problems finding it though?
• 1000[05:28:10] <ryouma> Akuw: initramfs bug
• 1001[05:28:36] <awal1> ryouma, in cron.d/anacron I see "30 7 * * * root test -x /etc/init.d/anacron && /usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d anacron start >/dev/null" is that what you meant?
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• 1003[05:29:14] <ryouma> awal1: i do not understand your q well enough
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• 1006[05:30:44] <ryouma> awal1: tehre are various cron dirs. locate uses a db. i guess it does not always check for exsistence of the files before telling you about them. just run the update again or it will be run for you indue time.
• 1007[05:30:58] <ryouma> awal1: for example cron.daily might run it
• 1008[05:31:03] <ryouma> dunno for sure
• 1009[05:31:28] <ryouma> yeah, cron.daily
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• 1013[05:33:47] <awal1> ryouma, i checked all the cron dirs and files but no explicit reference when cron stuff is run, being called cron.daly, I guess database is updated once per day
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• 1016[05:34:32] <ryouma> awal1: yes, once per day
• 1017[05:35:08] <awal1> too much commands and stuff to remember when running gnu/linux. I think for update mlocate database one have to execute updatedb
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• 1019[05:36:52] <awal1> I think I'll have to make a desktop wallpaper with all the commands one should remember :P
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• 1021[05:38:25] <ryouma> i don't even use locate much
• 1022[05:38:39] <ryouma> find is up to date (except i have a weird bug)
• 1023[05:39:12] <orlock> find trawls the filesystem
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• 1026[05:40:49] <awal1> in updatedb I have seen before I ask "updatedb is usually run daily by cron(8) to update the default database." but wanted to be sure about if mlocate still locating files / dirs of purged pkgs because database is not up to date
• 1027[05:41:08] <awal1> that was my confusion ryouma
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• 1029[05:41:27] <ryouma> does the locate man page say anything about confirming?
• 1030[05:41:39] <ryouma> if not, then use find
• 1031[05:41:52] <ryouma> there is no link that i am aware of between apt and locate
• 1032[05:42:02] <ryouma> (it would be inefficient)
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• 1034[05:42:36] <ryouma> well, actually in principle it could be done i suppose
• 1035[05:42:59] <awal1> no confirming stuff for locate/mlocate
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• 1040[05:43:46] <ryouma> find . -name whatever, or even find . | grep whatever will do
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• 1043[05:44:22] <orlock> Where might i be able to find mysql-common_5.0.15-1 for etch?
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• 1046[05:46:05] <awal1> ryouma, right, find does a better job
• 1047[05:46:40] <awal1> sometimes I use find but I have the habit using mlocate
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• 1058[05:54:28] <galex-713> Hi
• 1059[05:54:38] <galex-713> Why “wiredtiger” package is built only for amd64?
• 1060[05:55:00] <galex-713> I mean, like… I thought the builds were made automatically on servers, cross-compiling to all required architectures…
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• 1074[06:02:20] <up2late> doe debian have a apr-check type function?
• 1075[06:02:26] <up2late> to check for security updates
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• 1133[06:44:46] <thorie> hello... is a dist-upgrade generally safe thing to do?
• 1134[06:47:16] <jim> you need to prepare for it
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• 1138[06:47:58] <ryouma> thorie: in my case, going from wheezy to jessie made x inoperable. i finally figured out that i needed to load proprietary firmaware. it all depends.
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• 1140[06:48:17] <jim> however, if you do a dist-upgrade without changing your sources, you'll get the latest of the version you're on
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• 1143[06:50:43] <jim> you might want to back up your hd before you do it, but certainly you'll want to make sure you have enough space in /var to hold the .debs, and when actually installing realize they take space in /usr, /var, a little in /etc, and sometimes other places
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• 1150[06:53:01] <jim> a dist-upgrade is -going- to change things.
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• 1162[06:59:25] <Psi-Jack> I'm having an issue with my newly installed Debian 8 system. I used the 8.2 Live installer to install it, so it came with KDE on it, but I've since removed xorg completely as well as KDE, and for some reason the networking service itself does not start at boot, even though it is enabled.
• 1163[06:59:31] <thorie> jim: well, it's for my vps -- which only needs mysql, php, apache ... hopefully that is reasonably safe?
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• 1165[06:59:47] <Psi-Jack> Once I login to the console and manually systemctl start networking, it works fine.
• 1166[07:00:13] <thorie> jim: i'm on Debian version 6.0 ... should I go directly to Debian 8.0?
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• 1170[07:01:15] <thorie> maybe i should test that my website works on Debian 8 with an amazon instance...
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• 1172[07:01:51] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm
• 1173[07:02:19] <Psi-Jack> I see part of the problem. systemctl is-enabled networking results in an error that there is no networking.service.
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• 1175[07:04:47] <thorie> spinning up ec2 instance...
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• 1177[07:06:56] <PryMar56> Psi-Jack, did you set a default.target in /etc/systemd/system ?
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• 1179[07:07:06] <Psi-Jack> multi-user.target
• 1180[07:07:48] <PryMar56> Psi-Jack, cheers, thats it
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• 1182[07:07:59] <Psi-Jack> Yet, networking still doesn't start during boot.
• 1183[07:08:13] <Psi-Jack> OVSwitch does, but not the actual network devices.
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• 1186[07:09:39] <PryMar56> Psi-Jack, make sure you still have systemd-sysv
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• 1188[07:10:03] <Psi-Jack> Yep, that's installed.
• 1189[07:10:20] <PryMar56> Psi-Jack, sudo service --status-all <--- picks the handful of sysv type services
• 1190[07:10:49] <Psi-Jack> Yep. networking is enabled with a + by it.
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• 1192[07:11:05] <Psi-Jack> network-manager is disabled, with a - beside it.
• 1193[07:11:22] <PryMar56> Psi-Jack, let me see if my networking.service is symlinked
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• 1196[07:13:35] <PryMar56> Psi-Jack, its not symlinked or masked, but I can do: systemctl status networking.service
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• 1198[07:13:55] <Psi-Jack> Yeah, so can I.
• 1199[07:14:04] <Psi-Jack> But, when I boot, it doesn't start the network. heh
• 1200[07:15:13] <xcel-> how do i bring up wlan1?
• 1201[07:15:26] <up2late> doe debian have a apr-check type function?
• 1202[07:15:34] <up2late> *apt
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• 1211[07:20:27] <Psi-Jack> When I first boot the system, and check systemctl status networking, what I see is "Active: inactive (dead)", and "Loaded: loaded (/etc/init.d/networking)"
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• 1213[07:21:35] <xcel-> hmm i have wlan0 working but want to use wlan1 do i need to disconnect wlan0?
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• 1220[07:27:15] <Psi-Jack> Hmmm. I wonder if it's openvswitch itself, but then this was happening on my non-ovs bridge before as well.
• 1221[07:27:37] <Psi-Jack> Overrided the openvswitch-nonetwork.service
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• 1223[07:28:19] <_jd> Hi all, what are the chances that unrar on debian 7.8 has errors extracting packages where as the same archive on debian 8 works without errors (md5sum of the file is the same)?
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• 1225[07:29:08] <_jd> s/packages/rar archive
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• 1264[07:54:42] <ryouma> is there a command that will print a filename if it exists and not if it does not?
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• 1267[07:55:03] <ryouma> (inb4 i can fake it with test -f or something)
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• 1277[08:00:38] <Psi-Jack> Huh.. networking.service isn;'t showing up in systemd-analyze blame.
• 1278[08:01:08] <Psi-Jack> With or without openvswitch being used as the bridge layer. Tried bridge-utils and openvswitch methods.
• 1279[08:03:09] <Psi-Jack> Blah, well, I'll work on this tomorrow.
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• 1285[08:07:22] <FuriousGeorge_> forgive me if im repeating myself, but pretty sure i was dc before
• 1286[08:07:27] <FuriousGeorge_> i think i got kernel crash dumps working, but whereas I expect a dumpfile in /var/crash, i instead get a link back to my running kernel.
• 1287[08:07:31] <FuriousGeorge_> im using the same kernel as my running kernel as my dump kernel... could that be the issue?
• 1288[08:07:44] <FuriousGeorge_> or is the dumpfile somehow stored in the kernel image?
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• 1302[08:15:38] <k_sze[work]> Could somebody take a look at this: replaced-url
• 1303[08:15:45] <k_sze[work]> The bad grammar makes it read like nonsense.
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• 1309[08:19:10] <unborn> k_sze[work]: i think you can create account and do changes on your own no?
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• 1311[08:19:57] <k_sze[work]> unborn: I would love to, but I'm not sure what's the correct interpretation of that section.
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• 1313[08:20:18] <k_sze[work]> unborn: I was hoping somebody who understands chroot well enough could fix it. I certainly don't understand chroot very well.
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• 1316[08:21:16] <unborn> k_sze[work]: heh I thought you are asking about grammar issues
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• 1319[08:22:30] <k_sze[work]> I would have no trouble fixing grammar issues, as long as I can actually understand the writing somehow. :P
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• 1347[08:41:36] <no_gravity> Is there an easy way to set the terminal title to the correct user@host after sshing into another machine?
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• 1362[08:50:11] <g00se> Why is it that /etc must be within same partition as / and yet /var and others don't?
• 1363[08:50:22] <sumi> hello
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• 1365[08:51:08] <somiaj> g00se: config files needed at boot time are in /etc
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• 1367[08:51:40] <somiaj> g00se: plus /etc should be fairly small and not really need its own partition. But /etc/fstab is wehre the info to mount /etc would be located, so that could cause a problem
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• 1370[08:52:33] <g00se> Ah thanks
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• 1372[08:54:16] <g00se> If i want to clone some partitions of a disk but the target needs to have lvm applied first, would that cause a problem?
• 1373[08:55:04] <somiaj> g00se: what are you trying to clone? Might be easiest to just clone the file system and use rsync -a or cp -a to copy the file system across, in that case you would ahve to prepare the file system (note this can change the uuid of the filesystem)
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• 1376[08:56:05] <no_gravity> This seems to work: PROMPT_COMMAND='echo -ne "\033]0;$USER@$HOSTNAME:$PWD\007"'
• 1377[08:56:07] <g00se> Yes, maybe i'll copy. There's not much on the source other than mysql and some scripts (other than base system)
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• 1383[08:58:05] <somiaj> no_gravity: you would have to include that in the in the .bashrc or .profile (man bash for wich is read with a login(1) shell) to make it automatic.
• 1384[08:58:22] <somiaj> no_gravity: I copy my .bashrc and .profile across the systems I use so they get the same settings
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• 1386[08:59:02] <no_gravity> somiaj: Yes, I have put it in the bashrc.
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• 1560[09:52:22] <fennesz> Hello ! Would like to disable power management for one of my hdd . I have installed hdparm have set the apm to off using hdparm -B 255 /dev/sdx . I would like to make this persistent now . I have found this : replaced-url
• 1561[09:53:05] <fennesz> Shall I use this : /etc/udev/rules.d/50-hdparm.rules
• 1562[09:53:06] <fennesz> ACTION=="add", SUBSYSTEM=="block", KERNEL=="sda", RUN+="/usr/bin/hdparm -B 254 -S 0 /dev/sda"
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• 1585[10:03:36] <fennesz> anyone pls?
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• 1596[10:09:45] <danigm> hello, where should I report a broken debian mirror? ftp.es.debian.org is down
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• 1605[10:15:50] <hassoon> is iceweasel rebranded as firefox ESR or what? :O
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• 1608[10:17:14] <dka> I have #postfix configured with #cyrus and #openldap login, the testsaslauth works fine, but thunderbird still can't sync my mail account. Do I have to use #dovecot? Why is it not working ?
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• 1613[10:19:34] <fennesz> hassoon,don't know if rebranded but with auto updates you get firefox now
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• 1615[10:21:35] <somiaj> hassoon: firefox-esr is no longer rebranded as iceweasel as the license was worked out to distribute the firefox brands again.
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• 1618[10:22:04] <somiaj> davidbz: ftp.es.debian.org is a rotation of mirrors, and I don't know the best place to report mirror issues.
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• 1620[10:22:16] <hassoon> somiaj: that means...firefox is now branded in debian as firefox simply ?
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• 1625[10:23:48] <babilen> hassoon: indeed
• 1626[10:23:53] <somiaj> hassoon: yes debian will now just provide firefox and not rebrand it.
• 1627[10:24:00] <babilen> judd: v firefox-esr
• 1628[10:24:01] <Rico> hello
• 1629[10:24:01] <judd> Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 45.2.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 45.2.0esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 45.2.0esr-1~deb8u1; sid: 45.2.0esr-1; stretch: 45.2.0esr-1
• 1630[10:24:14] <Rico> I'm trying to make logrotate work for mysql (debian 8)
• 1631[10:24:17] <hassoon> judd? what happened to dpkg :v
• 1632[10:24:27] <Rico> I still have that error :
• 1633[10:24:31] <babilen> hassoon: Different bots
• 1634[10:24:37] <Rico> # /usr/bin/mysqladmin --defaults-file=/etc/mysql/debian.cnf flush-logs
• 1635[10:24:37] <Rico> /usr/bin/mysqladmin: refresh failed; error: 'Unknown error'
• 1636[10:24:38] <hassoon> babilen: okey.
• 1637[10:24:45] <Rico> permissions on logfiles are OK
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• 1639[10:24:54] <Rico> permission of user debian-sys-maint are OK
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• 1641[10:25:01] <dka> This is a very random question for #debian. Can anyone tell me why dovecot ? is postfix not enough ?
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• 1644[10:25:20] <Rico> dka: postfix is for smtp, dovecot is for imap / pop
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• 1646[10:25:51] <dka> Rico, well I use postfix and sync with thunderbird for a while without dovecot
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• 1648[10:26:45] <dka> Rico, I am adding ldap auth to my postfix server, the authsasl works perfect but now I can't sync thunderbird, do you think installing dovecot would help ?
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• 1650[10:27:24] <Rico> thunderbird can not ask postfix for his mails. postfix does not do pop/imap
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• 1652[10:27:55] <Rico> so you have something else, like courier-imap or other
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• 1654[10:28:14] <Rico> any idea for my mysql problem ?
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• 1662[10:31:06] <wh0ami> hi guys
• 1663[10:31:13] <wh0ami> how can i change my kernel?
• 1664[10:31:33] <babilen> To what?
• 1665[10:31:41] <wh0ami> just with 'apt-get install linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64' its enough?
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• 1667[10:31:51] <wh0ami> updating to jessie udev gives me conflict
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• 1669[10:32:31] <babilen> Which kernel are you using now and which kernel do you want? Why are you updating udev and from which version?
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• 1675[10:33:33] <wh0ami> babilen: actually i never changed kernel, its the default that comes with server, udev was updated at dist-upgrade
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• 1677[10:33:38] <wh0ami> or at least tries to update
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• 1681[10:34:55] <babilen> wh0ami: dist-upgrade would only install security upgrades for udev also unless you are upgrading from one Debian release to another. Did you change your sources.list ?
• 1682[10:35:10] <wh0ami> babilen: yeah
• 1683[10:35:14] <babilen> Are you, perhaps, trying to upgrade from wheezy to jessie?
• 1684[10:35:20] <wh0ami> because im trying to update from wheezy to jessie
• 1685[10:35:26] <wh0ami> yes
• 1686[10:35:37] <babilen> Okay, at which point in the release notes are you?
• 1687[10:35:48] <wh0ami> how can i check that?
• 1688[10:36:05] <babilen> How did you perform the upgrade so far? Did you follow the official instructions?
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• 1690[10:36:20] <dka> Rico, with courier imap, can I use ldap authentication in postfix or will I definitly need Dovecot? I can't find any clear answer about that
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• 1697[10:37:14] <Rico> your question does not make any sense to me, sorry
• 1698[10:37:30] <wh0ami> babilen: let me find the guide
• 1699[10:37:55] <wh0ami> replaced-url
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• 1702[10:38:27] <babilen> wh0ami: That's not supported. I'd recommend to follow replaced-url
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• 1704[10:38:45] <babilen> (the release notes *always* contain full instructions on how to upgrade to that version)
• 1705[10:39:00] <wh0ami> mmmh ok ill try to check and follow this one
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• 1707[10:39:03] <wh0ami> thanks babilen
• 1708[10:39:06] <babilen> wh0ami: But okay, at which point of your guide are you now?
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• 1710[10:39:15] <wh0ami> supposedly at the end
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• 1712[10:39:19] <wh0ami> PRETTY_NAME="Debian GNU/Linux 8 (jessie)" NAME="Debian GNU/Linux" VERSION_ID="8" VERSION="8 (jessie)" ID=debian HOME_URL="replaced-url
• 1713[10:39:22] <wh0ami> says that
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• 1715[10:39:35] <dka> Rico, well. I use to have a working mail server using postfix and courier imap, with local mail account. I have configured postfix now to use ldap and authsasld. I have tested login with testsaslauthd and my accounts are working. But thunderbird is not accepting my idents, for some reason I don't know if I should install dovecot for that. The tutorial I was following did install dovecot but it was for a new mail server !
• 1716[10:39:42] <wh0ami> but after rebooting and apt-get upgrade there says about udev
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• 1718[10:39:53] <babilen> wh0ami: Could you paste output of the actual problem to replaced-url
• 1719[10:40:15] <wh0ami> replaced-url
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• 1721[10:40:44] <Rico> dka: so your postfix part is working. Don't touch it anymore. Now you have to deal with dovecot or courier-imap
• 1722[10:41:00] <Rico> y guess you should use dovecot
• 1723[10:41:03] <Rico> I
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• 1725[10:41:27] <babilen> wh0ami: Could you paste the output of "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l 'linux-image*'" ?
• 1726[10:41:35] <babilen> Ah, and include "uname -a"
• 1727[10:42:13] <dka> Thanks Rico, I'll give a try with courier-imap
• 1728[10:42:25] <babilen> wh0ami: It is also a good idea to include your commands and their entire output as that provides a bit more context
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• 1730[10:42:59] <babilen> wh0ami: What I'm surprised about though is why an earlier "apt-get upgrade" / "apt-get dist-upgrade" completed and you only get this after you rebooted.
• 1731[10:43:12] <wh0ami> yeah
• 1732[10:43:14] <wh0ami> its weird
• 1733[10:43:16] <wh0ami> replaced-url
• 1734[10:43:24] <wh0ami> maybe i got wrong repositories?
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• 1736[10:43:38] <wh0ami> but i only changed when the guide said
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• 1739[10:44:41] <wh0ami> replaced-url
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• 1744[10:47:40] <babilen> wh0ami: Is this an openvz instance?
• 1745[10:48:03] <wh0ami> not but i can use kvm if something fail
• 1746[10:48:07] <wh0ami> maybe its related to this
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• 1749[10:48:34] <babilen> wh0ami: 3.8.13-xxxx-grs-ipv6-64 looks like the kernel from the host system .. is this a virtual machine?
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• 1752[10:49:20] <wh0ami> ls /boot/ System.map-3.16.0-4-amd64 System.map-3.8.13-xxxx-grs-ipv6-64 bzImage-3.8.13-xxxx-grs-ipv6-64 config-3.16.0-4-amd64 grub initrd.img-3.16.0-4-amd64 vmlinuz-3.16.0-4-amd64
• 1753[10:49:30] <wh0ami> not sure what is the kernel that im using
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• 1756[10:50:09] <dka> Rico, any idea replaced-url
• 1757[10:50:22] <wh0ami> i installed the one that i said and before i have no idea which was using
• 1758[10:50:28] <babilen> wh0ami: What does "update-grub2" give you?
• 1759[10:50:43] <babilen> wh0ami: And, again: Is this is virtual machine?
• 1760[10:50:54] <wh0ami> babilen: isn't a vm
• 1761[10:51:16] <babilen> Either way you have to get it to run the 3.16 kernel. I suspect that your bootloader configuration is broken.
• 1762[10:51:47] <babilen> I'm also not sure where the 3.8.13-xxxx-grs-ipv6-64 kernel comes from as it is most certainly not a Debian kernel
• 1763[10:51:47] <wh0ami> replaced-url
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• 1767[10:52:51] <babilen> wh0ami: Configure grub to boot the 3.16 kernel and you are done. An easy way for that would be to remove the 3.8.13-xxxx-grs-ipv6-64 one, but how you do that depends on how you installed it.
• 1768[10:53:09] <wh0ami> how i do that?
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• 1777[10:55:47] <babilen> wh0ami: How did you install the 3.8.13-xxxx-grs-ipv6-64 kernel?
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• 1779[10:56:24] <wh0ami> babilen: i didn't, it comes with the ds the only one that i installed its linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64
• 1780[10:56:37] <babilen> "with the ds" ?
• 1781[10:56:47] <wh0ami> dedicated server
• 1782[10:56:58] <wh0ami> probably is taken from company servers or something?
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• 1784[10:57:37] <babilen> Right, it's a dedicated server that was installed by a third party. What does "dpkg -S /boot/bzImage-3.8.13-xxxx-grs-ipv6-64" give you?
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• 1786[10:58:27] <monoxane> yo, im having issues with static ips
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• 1788[10:59:00] <monoxane> when i set em in /etc/network/interfaces it seems to apply it to bot interfaces and i cannot connect
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• 1790[10:59:34] <hassoon> monoxane: why not setting things in network manager
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• 1799[11:05:26] <wh0ami> babilen: dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /boot/bzImage-3.8.13-xxxx-grs-ipv6-64
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• 1801[11:07:58] <babilen> wh0ami: So it wasn't installed from packages. I'd contact your provider and investigate configuring grub directly .. in a way all you have to do is to select the 3.16 kernel during boot or hardcode it in the grub.cfg
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• 1804[11:08:03] <babilen> All the best
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• 1808[11:08:39] <wh0ami> babilen: ok thanks man :)
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• 1850[11:40:09] <dorp> Hello, a relatively trivial question: is it possible to skip/abort the downloading phase of the 'net install' during installation? (other than disabling the network adapter...)
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• 1856[11:43:01] <somiaj> dorp: What are you trying to achive? If you don't select any of the additional packages to be installed with tasksel it wont download and install any new packages. But if you configure the network it may download and install security updates.
• 1857[11:43:13] <somiaj> you can also just skip over the network configuration part
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• 1864[11:45:09] <dorp> somiaj: I would like to 'complete' the installer phase as quickly as possible, it seems that even without selecting anything, it tries to download things, and if I try to abort- the installer pretty much stalls/hangs
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• 1867[11:46:47] <somiaj> dorp: it is updating the package database and downloading security updates. But int he expert installer you can just skip over the network part. There is also preseeds to autmoate things
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• 1869[11:48:11] <dorp> somiaj: Could you expand on what 'preseeds' means?
• 1870[11:48:31] <somiaj> dorp: replaced-url
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• 1886[11:52:21] <theeisbaer> Hello, I try to connect to a WiFi network on a Raspberry Pi running Raspbian Jessie, is this the right place to ask questions?
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• 1890[11:52:59] <somiaj> !raspbian
• 1891[11:52:59] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
• 1892[11:53:15] <theeisbaer> Okay thank you :)
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• 1895[11:54:07] <hassoon> ah
• 1896[11:54:19] <hassoon> so this raspbian is not debia nitself
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• 1900[11:55:37] <somiaj> hassoon: correct, raspbian is only based on debian (it has a custom kernel and modifies some of the core packages to work better on the pi)
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• 1902[11:56:01] <hassoon> like ubuntu is based on debian
• 1903[11:56:15] <thoht> hi. running debian 8.5, would like to know the best way to install zfs-linux. I read it is on unstable; any way to have it on 8.5 ?
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• 1905[11:57:57] <somiaj> hassoon: at one time it was, it has drifted into its own thing, and instead shares packages with debian
• 1906[11:58:12] <somiaj> hassoon: well source packages (they are compiled for different distros)
• 1907[11:58:20] <somiaj> ,v zfs-linux
• 1908[11:58:21] <judd> No package named 'zfs-linux' was found in amd64.
• 1909[11:58:25] <dorp> somiaj: Thanks for the suggestion, but it seems that it would be easier to disable the network
• 1910[11:58:56] <somiaj> ,v zfs-dkms
• 1911[11:58:57] <judd> Package: zfs-dkms on amd64 -- sid/contrib: 0.6.5.7-1; stretch/contrib: 0.6.5.7-1
• 1912[11:59:05] <somiaj> ,v zfs-fuse
• 1913[11:59:06] <judd> Package: zfs-fuse on amd64 -- squeeze: 0.6.9-1; wheezy: 0.7.0-8; jessie: 0.7.0-12; stretch: 0.7.0-13.1; sid: 0.7.0-13.1
• 1914[11:59:42] <somiaj> thoht: you could try to create you own backports (/msg dpkg ssb) if zfs-fuse won't work for you
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• 1917[12:02:10] <thoht> somiaj: so zfs-dkms is on sid or stetch
• 1918[12:02:22] <thoht> not on jessie :/
• 1919[12:02:38] <somiaj> thoht: correct, so you'll have to make your own backports
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• 1921[12:03:27] <thoht> somiaj: how to do it ?
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• 1925[12:04:48] <thoht> somiaj: can i use : replaced-url
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• 1932[12:07:17] <somiaj> thoht: Those packages do look like they are built for debian jessie, but they are third party, you will have to choose if youw ant to use them or not.
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• 1934[12:07:32] <somiaj> thoht: /msg dpkg ssb (for instructions to try to backport it yourself)
• 1935[12:08:01] <somiaj> thoht: I personally don't use zfs, so unsure of any issues in doing that, using prebuilt packages can work just fine provided they are made for jessie (which it appears the ones you linked are)
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• 1963[12:21:50] <BW^-> i have the year's weirdest symlinking problem. I do: "ln -s /usr/bin/gdb /usr/local/bin/egdb" "ln -s /usr/bin/make /usr/local/bin/gmake"
• 1964[12:21:53] <BW^-> the first link works. the second not.
• 1965[12:22:03] <BW^-> "$ gmake" says "-bash: /usr/bin/gmake: No such file or directory" but "$ which gmake" says "/usr/local/bin/gmake".
• 1966[12:22:13] <BW^-> "$ gmake" shows "-bash: /usr/bin/gmake: No such file or directory".
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• 1968[12:22:22] <BW^-> wait, it's some kind of bash problem..
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• 1973[12:22:40] <BW^-> in "sh" it works, in "bash" not.. hmmmmm
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• 1976[12:22:53] <jelly> BW^-: ls -ld /usr/bin/gmake; readlink -f /usr/bin/gmake
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• 1979[12:23:26] <BW^-> jelly: "$ ls -ld /usr/bin/gmake; readlink -f /usr/bin/gmake" "ls: cannot access /usr/bin/gmake: No such file or directory" "/usr/bin/gmake"
• 1980[12:23:28] <BW^-> what does this tell you?
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• 1983[12:24:14] <jelly> did it exist at the time bash was started? If you deleted it afterwards, tell bash to update its notion of directory contents in PATH
• 1984[12:24:22] <jelly> BW^-: "hash -r" and try again
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• 1986[12:24:57] <BW^-> yeah itw orked!!!!
• 1987[12:25:11] <jelly> (it tells /usr/bin/gmake does not exist right now, but the shell thinks that path used to exist)
• 1988[12:25:15] <BW^-> jelly: what did that do?? =)
• 1989[12:25:22] <BW^-> no no I have not removed.. or did I..
• 1990[12:25:43] <BW^-> jelly: ok, thanks! !:)
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• 1992[12:26:02] <jelly> you probably messed with symlinks until you figured out how ln -s works
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• 1994[12:26:32] <jelly> BW^-: "hash -r" looks at the contents of all the directories in PATH again
• 1995[12:26:38] <jelly> BW^-: help hash
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• 1998[12:28:16] <BW^-> interesting. ok thanks for bringing my attention to it!
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• 2060[13:15:14] <whostaff> bazhang: hey fa gao te, how you doin
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• 2073[13:19:19] <jubo2> hiya
• 2074[13:19:35] <jubo2> I'm having trouble getting nginx installed on a freshly created Debian box
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• 2078[13:20:20] <styvy> is that right, debian 9 in 2019 will be named bullseye?
• 2079[13:20:47] <jelly> dpkg, tell styvy about stretch
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• 2084[13:21:47] <styvy> yes i wonder about stretch and buster?
• 2085[13:22:01] <mayhew> jubo2: what's the issue?
• 2086[13:22:39] <jelly> styvy: the codename for debian 9 is known already.
• 2087[13:23:12] <styvy> i followed a debian-news on phoronix
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• 2089[13:23:29] <jubo2> mayhew: Seems to be that it refuses to start because 'sudo nginx -t' exits with error
• 2090[13:23:50] <jubo2> I dunno how the hell does a package contain confs that don't work..
• 2091[13:24:34] <mayhew> jubo2: I'm assuming you're on Debian Jessie or higher? You should attempt to start it with `systemctl start nginx`
• 2092[13:24:42] <jubo2> okay
• 2093[13:25:00] <mayhew> And use `systemctl status nginx` if that doesn't work, you might get some useful debugging information.
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• 2095[13:25:09] <styvy> 13:23 <styvy> is that right, debian 9 in 2019 will be named bullseye?
• 2096[13:25:10] <styvy> 13:24 <jelly> dpkg, tell styvy about stretch
• 2097[13:25:32] <styvy> sorry
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• 2100[13:26:12] <jubo2> mayhew: this seems to be the key error: "heinä 05 14:24:59 lt nginx[6305]: nginx: [emerg] socket() [::]:80 failed (97: Address family not supported by protocol)"
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• 2103[13:26:28] <jubo2> I haven't touched the confs.. at all..
• 2104[13:26:46] <jelly> jubo2: do you have ipv6 disabled on that system?
• 2105[13:27:12] <jubo2> jelly: I don't know.. I just got this server from the new hosting guys in Lithuania
• 2106[13:28:40] <jubo2> another thing I haven't figured out yet is that when I try to apply my usual, allow 22, 53, 80, 443 and bannhammer everything else.. If I run the script to put those rules in place the ssh freezes and I need to flush the iptables via hosting guys' web console-thingy
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• 2109[13:29:51] <jubo2> jelly: I commented out a line and the nginx comes up
• 2110[13:30:03] <jubo2> weird, huh.. package ships with broken conf
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• 2112[13:30:14] <mayhew> jubo2: what line did you comment out?
• 2113[13:30:30] <jubo2> mayhew: #listen [::]:80 default_server;
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• 2115[13:31:41] <mayhew> jubo2: in `ip a` do you get any inet6 lines? Could be because ipv6 is disabled like jelly said.
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• 2118[13:32:07] <mayhew> I'm pretty sure [::] is a IPv6 related
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• 2120[13:33:01] <mayhew> replaced-url
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• 2122[13:33:30] <jubo2> mayhew: No IPv6 lines
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• 2125[13:34:00] <jubo2> You wanna know how much I paid for 3 months of 1GB VPS..?
• 2126[13:34:07] <jubo2> 7.03€ VAT 24% incl
• 2127[13:34:21] <jubo2> I do not think the prices can go much down from here
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• 2130[13:35:10] <mayhew> that's pretty cheap indeed
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• 2132[13:35:34] <jubo2> the price is even lower if you pay for 0.5, 1 or 2 yrs in one go
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• 2134[13:36:37] <deepy> how's the stability over a year?
• 2135[13:36:39] <mayhew> lets just hope you have a SSD, a good amount of CPU, reliable bandwith and hardware and they're not overselling the boxes :)
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• 2137[13:37:00] <jubo2> Got one 2.4GHz core
• 2138[13:37:07] <jubo2> just HDD
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• 2140[13:37:54] <mayhew> 2.4 GHz doesn't mean much. It depends on the specific processor. A 2016 2.4 GHz will be much faster than a 2008 2.4 GHz for example.
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• 2142[13:38:06] <jubo2> This is my referral link if someone else needs dirt cheap hosting in Lithuania - replaced-url
• 2143[13:38:56] <jubo2> I'm thinking of trying something like this on the box: replaced-url
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• 2145[13:39:35] <jubo2> so plan is seeing if fail2ban can be applied to protect GNU MediaGoblin against the FUD campaign all the open registration instances are facing
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• 2151[13:42:17] <jubo2> I gotta share this awesome collectively on gituhub compiled topically arranged list of host-it-at-the-hosting-guys software with y'll replaced-url
• 2152[13:42:25] <jubo2> Is a real candy shop.
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• 2154[13:42:39] <jubo2> I gotta pop out. Later copyleftists.
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• 2170[13:49:50] <AirPlanes> maybe we can add tool to wiki i found useful?
• 2171[13:51:03] <AirPlanes> replaced-url
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• 2228[14:23:05] <sumi> hello
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• 2236[14:27:37] <adac> This is for ubuntu: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:cwchien/gradle
• 2237[14:27:44] <adac> can I use this also in debain jessie?
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• 2239[14:27:50] <adac> *Debian
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• 2242[14:28:52] <mayhew> adac: no, PPA's are not supported in Debian
• 2243[14:29:23] <adac> mayhew, Ok I see yes. Thanks. Was wondering on hwo to install the latest version of gradle then in Debian
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• 2246[14:30:53] <mayhew> adac: it looks like 2.10 is in jessie-backports, not the latest but pretty close
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• 2248[14:31:19] <mayhew> otherwise you'll have to download it from their website
• 2249[14:31:22] <adac> mayhew, that is fair enough I think. Let me see on how I can install this repo. Thanks!
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• 2253[14:33:17] <mayhew> adac: you can also use apt-pinning with the testing/sid repositories to get 2.13, but that's a bit riskier.
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• 2259[14:38:48] <abrotman> don't do that ..
• 2260[14:38:49] <abrotman> !ssb
• 2261[14:38:50] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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• 2263[14:39:52] <Iridos> replaced-url
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• 2267[14:43:12] <AirPlanes> AirPlanes> maybe we can add tool to wiki i found useful?
• 2268[14:43:12] <AirPlanes> <AirPlanes> replaced-url
• 2269[14:43:20] <AirPlanes> PS it's for window
• 2270[14:43:23] <AirPlanes> windows
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• 2283[14:50:04] <AirPlanes2> replaced-url
• 2284[14:50:06] <AirPlanes2> why it said WARNING: Iceweasel is gone. Please update your apt sources. ? Iceweasel is not gone!
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• 2291[14:51:34] <mayhew> AirPlanes2: Iceweasel has been replaced by Firefox ESR in Debian.
• 2292[14:51:44] <AirPlanes2> nope
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• 2295[14:51:54] <AirPlanes2> I installed latest debian XFCE and iceweasel still there
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• 2298[14:52:30] <Stummi> ,v iceweasel
• 2299[14:52:31] <judd> Package: iceweasel on amd64 -- squeeze: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-security: 3.5.16-20; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12esr-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 38.8.0esr-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 38.8.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie-security: 38.8.0esr-1~deb8u1; jessie: 38.8.0esr-1~deb8u1; wheezy-security: 45.2.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 45.2.0esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 45.2.0esr-1~deb8u1; sid:
• 2300[14:52:32] <judd> 45.2.0esr-1; stretch: 45.2.0esr-1
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• 2302[14:52:38] <AirPlanes2> ???
• 2303[14:52:48] <AirPlanes2> ,help v
• 2304[14:52:49] <judd> (v <an alias, 0 arguments>) -- Alias for "versions $*".
• 2305[14:52:51] <Stummi> AirPlanes2, with "latest" you mean jessie?
• 2306[14:52:56] <AirPlanes2> yes
• 2307[14:52:57] <mayhew> AirPlanereplaced-url
• 2308[14:53:14] <mayhew> firefox-esr is the new package name
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• 2310[14:53:29] <mayhew> you'll get firefox-esr if you update your system
• 2311[14:53:34] <AirPlanes2> like
• 2312[14:53:37] <AirPlanes2> sudo apt-get upgrade ?
• 2313[14:54:14] <mayhew> AirPlanes2: `sudo apt update && sudo apt (dist-)upgrade`
• 2314[14:54:23] <AirPlanes2> why dist upgrade?
• 2315[14:54:34] <mayhew> it might be required to install firefox-esr, try upgrade first
• 2316[14:54:42] <AirPlanes2> hmm
• 2317[14:54:45] <AirPlanes2> why it's [security] red?
• 2318[14:55:00] <venkat_330> Guys can some one point me to some KB for installing jessie under UEFI & secure boot
• 2319[14:55:10] <mayhew> I think it means that the security team manages this package
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• 2322[14:56:20] <mayhew> venkat_330: Debian does not yet support UEFI Secure Boot, but work is ongoing to enable this in a future release.
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• 2324[14:56:53] <mayhew> if you can't disable secure boot (or don't want to), just install Ubuntu or Fedora, they work out of the box with it.
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• 2331[14:59:03] <Flying_Squirrel> hey all! I have a little silly yet annoying problem: I use KDE and for a few days now my taskbar is grey/unusable, I can't click icons, the start menu etc. I added another taskbar at the top but this is rather silly. Did anyone here ever experienced something similar or know where to look at to find a solution / more precise information on what's wrong ?
• 2332[14:59:54] <AirPlanes2> KDE is buggy
• 2333[14:59:59] <AirPlanes2> Like Kubuntu
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• 2336[15:00:21] <AirPlanes2> Flying_Squirrel, report #kde
• 2337[15:00:37] <Flying_Squirrel> thanka you AirPlanes2
• 2338[15:00:40] <Flying_Squirrel> *thank
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• 2347[15:05:40] <SilverWhitefish> AirPlanes2, are you into that dot net stuff?
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• 2355[15:10:48] <AirPlanes2> SilverWhitefish, why?
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• 2364[15:14:36] <SilverWhitefish> a while back i was working on a project in mono and i noticed you hung out in the c sharp channel.
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• 2370[15:17:24] <SilverWhitefish> i was justing thinking it would have been nice to know someone that could have helped show me a few things with c#
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• 2372[15:19:11] <AirPlanes2> c# in linux?
• 2373[15:19:21] <AirPlanes2> hmm and mono? just go to windows
• 2374[15:19:34] <SilverWhitefish> wasnt going to happen
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• 2376[15:19:42] <AirPlanes2> also I don't remember I was in ##c# maybe with different nick but that was a long time ago
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• 2378[15:20:11] <AirPlanes2> SilverWhitefish, replaced-url
• 2379[15:20:26] <SilverWhitefish> cool thanks
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• 2382[15:20:45] <AirPlanes2> SilverWhitefish, what is the question?
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• 2384[15:20:52] <AirPlanes2> is it more on the software or the code?
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• 2386[15:21:48] <thurstylark> What is the best practice for starting/stopping/enabling/disabling systemd units from a deb? just using systemctl in the postinst script?
• 2387[15:22:02] <SilverWhitefish> i argued my case with just about everyone on how the entire project needed to be rewritten in C and C++ but only a small few were willing to learn C
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• 2389[15:22:03] <ilmaisin> where does make-ssl-cert get the hostname
• 2390[15:22:32] <SilverWhitefish> it was a simulator so it really need to be efficient which it was not nor ever will be
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• 2392[15:23:09] <SilverWhitefish> im still trying to figure out the start order thurstylark
• 2393[15:23:26] <thurstylark> SilverWhitefish: start order of what?
• 2394[15:23:31] <AirPlanes2> idk what he said
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• 2404[15:25:43] <ilmaisin> why on the earth these things have to be complicated like this
• 2405[15:25:53] <SilverWhitefish> well like yesterday someone wanted to start a a voip server after mysql started
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• 2407[15:26:11] <ilmaisin> i have re-generated the ssl certificate but it still has some old hostname
• 2408[15:26:22] <SilverWhitefish> from what i gathered everything is in the init scripts now when before it was as simple as changing the file name
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• 2414[15:28:16] <thurstylark> SilverWhitefish: check the systemd.unit manpage. Before= and After= is how that works.
• 2415[15:28:48] <jhutchins> ilmaisin: Most of the utilities that purport to help simplify certificate generation actally add another layer of complexity.
• 2416[15:29:33] <jhutchins> ilmaisin: I don't know about make-ssl-cert, but several of the wrapper scripts rely on a local config file that stores answers to the prompts for cert generation.
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• 2419[15:30:49] <ilmaisin> jhutchins: i think i figured it out, it was some old configuration in /etc/hosts
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• 2423[15:32:37] <SilverWhitefish> oh ok thats what ive been looking for never would have looked for systemd.unit thanks very much
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• 2431[15:38:37] <thurstylark> SilverWhitefish: the manpages for systemd.service, and systemd.exec could also be useful to you.
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• 2455[15:49:53] <tjt263> hey is there a way to check; when was the last time that apt-get was updated or upgraded?
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• 2457[15:50:44] <Anonymes> Hi
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• 2461[15:52:22] <AirPlanes> Hi Anonymes
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• 2463[15:53:13] <AirPlanes> tjt263, history | grep 'apt-get update'
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• 2465[15:53:29] <AirPlanes> tjt263, HISTTIMEFORMAT="%d/%m/%y %T " && history | grep 'apt-get update'
• 2466[15:53:42] <AirPlanes> this one I'm not sure how it works. Also if you want about upgrade replace update with upgrade
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• 2470[15:55:00] <AirPlanes> tjt263, replaced-url
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• 2479[15:58:04] <tjt263> AirPlanes: youre not sure how what works?
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• 2481[15:58:20] <AirPlanes> this
• 2482[15:58:21] <AirPlanes> HISTTIMEFORMAT="%d/%m/%y %T " && history | grep 'apt-get update
• 2483[15:58:21] <Iridos> you mean when you last ran apt-get update or apt-get upgrade?
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• 2485[15:58:37] <AirPlanes> I am not sure what is HISTTIMEFORMAT=
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• 2488[15:58:48] <Iridos> it's an environment variable?
• 2489[15:58:54] <tjt263> yeah, that's not quite what i was after though
• 2490[15:58:57] <AirPlanes> yea but where it used?
• 2491[15:59:20] <AirPlanes> tjt263, do you got your answer?
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• 2494[16:00:05] <tjt263> HISTTIMEFORMAT; when it is set, prepends each command in the history file with a timestamp
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• 2498[16:01:22] <Iridos> tjt263, you can see when packages were upgraded (well, uninstalled and installed) in /var/log/dpkg.log ... there is also /var/log/aptitude mmh, and I see /var/log/apt/history.log (which is probably what you want)
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• 2500[16:01:52] <tjt263> cool, it might be on the right track
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• 2502[16:02:06] <Iridos> I don't think there's a way to say apt-get update... but that's pretty irrelevant anyway
• 2503[16:02:12] <tjt263> i thought there was a simple apt or dpkg command
• 2504[16:02:47] <Iridos> and actually... I have apt-listchanges installed
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• 2506[16:02:55] <Iridos> but never really make use of it :)
• 2507[16:03:16] <tjt263> sorry whats that? and whats irrelevant?
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• 2512[16:03:38] <Iridos> the times "apt-get update" is executed are pretty irrelevant
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• 2514[16:03:51] <g00se> Is there an easy way to clone a partition table?
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• 2516[16:04:24] <Iridos> g00se, you can just copy it... the question is, if that's "easy"
• 2517[16:05:02] <Iridos> and it's impractical... you'd need a disk that is the same
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• 2519[16:05:29] <Iridos> but there's tools that can clone the whole partition
• 2520[16:05:29] <tjt263> Iridos: except for when it isn't
• 2521[16:05:46] <musca> dd if=yourdevicenode of=mbr-backup.bin bs=512 count=1
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• 2523[16:06:00] <Iridos> tjt263, like?
• 2524[16:07:02] <linux-fox> 512 is kb?
• 2525[16:07:12] <musca> Bytes
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• 2527[16:07:24] <tjt263> g00se: look into musca's suggestion. dd is good for this kind of thing
• 2528[16:07:41] <g00se> Is that going to work for a GPT?
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• 2530[16:08:20] <tjt263> Iridos: like right know
• 2531[16:08:26] <g00se> Iridos: Not just the same size?
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• 2535[16:08:46] <tjt263> g00se: a what? GPT?
• 2536[16:08:47] <musca> gpt has a nice feature called Fake-MBR, so No!
• 2537[16:09:05] <g00se> Yes, i was almost certain not ;)
• 2538[16:09:29] <tjt263> g00se: i dont know what that is
• 2539[16:10:03] <musca> The Fake-MBR carries an entry, that basically says "Disk full".
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• 2542[16:10:54] <tjt263> o GUID Partition Table
• 2543[16:12:24] <g00se> Maybe it's gdisk i need?
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• 2556[16:15:53] <tjt263> well i don't really understand why you cant just use dd, im sure ive used it for this before
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• 2558[16:16:29] <musca> g00se: a quick google search for "Clone GUID Partition Table" gives me replaced-url
• 2559[16:16:31] <tjt263> but ive also used rsync
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• 2565[16:17:24] <Iridos> g00se, maybe... but you also usually align partition borders with something? I'm happy I'm not dealing with it too often, though :)
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• 2567[16:18:08] <g00se> musca: Thanks - looks good
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• 2569[16:18:39] <tjt263> can you use rsync?
• 2570[16:19:15] <g00se> tjt263: that's for filesystems
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• 2572[16:19:39] <musca> g00se: i like the second answer, less dangerous for mistakes
• 2573[16:19:41] <tjt263> isnt that what youre dealing with
• 2574[16:20:00] <g00se> No. Filesystem metadata
• 2575[16:21:05] <tjt263> oh i thought you just wanted to mirror your hard drive or something
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• 2592[16:26:54] <federico> Hi all, which init system is using debian atm? In which direction is it moving?
• 2593[16:27:10] <g00se> systemd
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• 2595[16:27:34] <g00se> Heading nowhere else
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• 2598[16:29:55] <AirPlanes> what is all messed with systemd?
• 2599[16:30:23] <AirPlanes> i watched deboncf and when he arrived to systemd he said like HUUUUUUH like something bad/complicated.
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• 2603[16:32:30] <abrotman> insightful ...
• 2604[16:32:56] <AirPlanes> What?
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• 2607[16:33:10] <mayhew> AirPlanes: a lot of old Unix people set in their ways don't like change or think systemd doesn't follow the Unix philosophy etc. The reality is that systemd solves a complex problem pretty elegantly, but again, you can't make everyone happy. They tend to be a vocal minority.
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• 2609[16:33:27] <AirPlanes> I don't know what it is
• 2610[16:33:58] <mayhew> systemd is the first program that the Linux kernel runs, and it's a very important piece of software. Generally you don't need to care as a normal desktop user.
• 2611[16:34:19] <AirPlanes> oh thanks anyway
• 2612[16:34:21] <AirPlanes> its just interest
• 2613[16:34:30] <AirPlanes> latest day I read more and more about debian
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• 2616[16:35:23] <jorgesanjuan> Is someone aware of whether if Debian8-arm supports Hp's moonshot arm64 (x-gene arm64) or not?
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• 2619[16:35:28] <jorgesanjuan> i tried to boot it with the kernel option acpi=off and using a device tree, but the Debian installer couldn't detect the network card
• 2620[16:35:32] <jhutchins> mayhew: There are actual problems with the scope and implementation of systemd on most distros, and it's definitely a work in progress.
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• 2622[16:35:42] <jhutchins> mayhew: Objections are NOT just luddites.
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• 2625[16:36:07] <jelly> jorgesanjuan: ask in #debian-arm over on irc.oftc.net, maybe
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• 2632[16:36:58] <mayhew> jhutchins: I'm not claiming systemd is perfect, but it's a hard problem it's trying to solve and every major distro seems to think it's the best solution so.
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• 2634[16:37:02] <jhutchins> jorgesanjuan: Detecting the network card is a really seperate issue from whether the OS works on that architecture.
• 2635[16:37:24] <jhutchins> mayhew: It's MANY problems it's trying to solve with one unified solution.
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• 2643[16:38:45] <mayhew> jhutchins: I take it you agree that the problems are important to solve but you don't like one process/project trying to do it all?
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• 2655[16:42:09] <jhutchins> mayhew: I like a more modular approach, it's more suitable to the distributed project nature of OS.
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• 2659[16:42:14] <jhutchins> OSS
• 2660[16:43:21] <jhutchins> If someone gets hit by a bus, it stops progress on one part of the system, not the whole underlying core.
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• 2663[16:44:56] <mayhew> You could argue all of the problems systemd is trying to solve are closely related and there's benefits to providing the kitchen sink in one project. But I get your point and respect it.
• 2664[16:45:51] <mayhew> However I don't agree that the bus factor is an issue, there's a lot of developers on systemd and with every mainstream distro backing it I don't think there's going to be any problems.
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• 2673[16:51:01] <g00se> Then of course you need to ask why BSD and the like don't think there's an init problem to solve. Of course systemd was meant to solve init problems but of course it's not (now) just an init system. It's not likely to shrink but to grow
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• 2696[16:56:16] <jhutchins> Among other things, it now does NTP.
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• 2700[16:57:23] <jhutchins> I count 144 man pages for systemd.
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• 2704[16:58:14] <jhutchins> make that 72, locate seems to have found everything twice.
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• 2706[16:58:57] <jhutchins> Nah, it's just a mess with some duplicates.
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• 2738[17:10:35] <Eryn_1983_FL> hey peeps i am trying to send my ZFS filesystem from one node to another, but i dont have enough space to hold it on the receive system, and have completed a complete move yet..
• 2739[17:11:18] <g00se> Out of interest, how do you have ZFS on Debian?
• 2740[17:11:38] <petn-randall> g00se: zfs-dkms is in contrib in stretch.
• 2741[17:11:43] <petn-randall> ,v zfs-dkms
• 2742[17:11:44] <judd> Package: zfs-dkms on amd64 -- sid/contrib: 0.6.5.7-1; stretch/contrib: 0.6.5.7-1
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• 2744[17:12:09] <g00se> Ah is that userland?
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• 2746[17:12:23] <g00se> Oh no - virtualized?
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• 2751[17:12:46] <g00se> ,v zfs-dkms
• 2752[17:12:47] <judd> Package: zfs-dkms on amd64 -- sid/contrib: 0.6.5.7-1; stretch/contrib: 0.6.5.7-1
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• 2755[17:13:27] <jelly> g00se: ZoL people have a repository for debian 8, for the time being (until stretch is out)
• 2756[17:13:43] <g00se> Ah
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• 2759[17:14:00] <Eryn_1983_FL> zfsonlinux
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• 2762[17:14:14] <Eryn_1983_FL> not the one they just added to repos
• 2763[17:14:28] <Eryn_1983_FL> anyways i think i found a solution..
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• 2792[17:23:27] <thurstylark> I have a package foo.deb that depends on some packages that are not installed already. Currently I do 'dpkg -i foo.deb' and then 'apt-get install -f' to get the missing deps. Is there a way to do this in all one command, or do I just need to string these together?
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• 2812[17:27:31] <AirPlanes> hi
• 2813[17:27:31] <AirPlanes> anyone know good debian talks or linux talk?
• 2814[17:27:31] <AirPlanes> talks*
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• 2830[17:30:42] <AirPlanes> how to join to mainlist?
• 2831[17:30:54] <AirPlanes> mailinglist*
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• 2838[17:33:27] <arca_vorago> Requesting assistance on motd generation, whats the right way to do it these days?
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• 2840[17:33:42] <arca_vorago> I don't know whatever hapened to just changing /etc/motd
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• 2845[17:35:13] <arca_vorago> Well it seemed to work, despite documentation saying to do wierder things
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• 2860[17:39:20] <AirPlanes> wtf unforgiven512
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• 2867[17:41:15] <AirPlanes> networkd removed?
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• 2870[17:43:04] <colo-work> AirPlanes, context?
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• 2874[17:45:31] <AirPlanes> colo-work, im watching debconf
• 2875[17:45:41] <abrotman> AirPlanes: you know there's a channel for that .. this isn't it ...
• 2876[17:45:42] <AirPlanes> replaced-url
• 2877[17:45:50] <AirPlanes> abrotman, I don't know
• 2878[17:45:58] <AirPlanes> i can't find information about networkd
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• 2881[17:46:51] <abrotman> AirPlanes: #debconf on irc.oftc.net would be a good start, good luck
• 2882[17:47:13] <AirPlanes> oh
• 2883[17:47:14] <AirPlanes> i forgot that omg
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• 2910[18:02:24] <g00se> Is it a bad move in any way to map someone's Windows NTFS C:/Users/username to /home ?
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• 2914[18:03:24] <SerajewelKS> g00se: via what mechanism?
• 2915[18:03:31] <g00se> symlink?
• 2916[18:03:52] <SerajewelKS> g00se: so Windows isn't running, and the NTFS volume is on a physically-attached disk?
• 2917[18:04:07] <g00se> The same disk
• 2918[18:04:09] <SerajewelKS> g00se: my biggest worry would be permissions and ownership info
• 2919[18:04:24] <SerajewelKS> you are running linux from an ntfs volume?
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• 2924[18:04:43] <g00se> No it would be on a separate partition
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• 2927[18:05:07] <SerajewelKS> i'd be very hesitant to do that just because of ownership / permission info potentially getting lost
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• 2930[18:05:21] <g00se> Thinking of maybe copying chum's recovery partition and then overwriting it
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• 2933[18:05:46] <SerajewelKS> files created on the windows side may not be owned by that linux user when you boot into linux after creating them
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• 2936[18:06:21] <markybob> ntfs can't handle linux permissions so your /home would be pretty fucked
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• 2938[18:07:10] <g00se> Hmm. I thought stuff like ntfstools could handle that by now ...
• 2939[18:07:21] <SerajewelKS> markybob: i thought ntfs-3g put "fake" windows principals in ACLs to signify ownership and permissions -- my worry would be that files created on windows won't have sane defaults on linux
• 2940[18:07:54] <g00se> SerajewelKS: Don't forget it's only the Windows home tree
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• 2942[18:08:28] <SerajewelKS> to answer your original question, i would say that yes, it's a bad move
• 2943[18:08:49] <SerajewelKS> i'd test first if you really want to. create a test user on both systems and try it with their home directory.
• 2944[18:08:52] <SerajewelKS> document every issue
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• 2946[18:09:18] <g00se> Thanks guys. I shan't do anything hasty ;)
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• 2954[18:11:00] <g00se> Actually it wouldn't matter if in this case Linux used the 'All' ACLs since there's no other user
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• 2985[18:24:16] <trysten> noob question: do files usually take up a differing amount of space on ext3 vs ext4? i copied my home folder with rsync -rvun /home/old/ /home/new and my new is 40MiB smaller than the old :/
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• 2989[18:26:21] <petn-randall> trysten: Was /home/new empty as you ran that?
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• 2991[18:26:29] <jelly> trysten: yes
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• 2995[18:27:41] <jelly> trysten: du has --apparent-size, or maybe even -b
• 2996[18:27:50] <petn-randall> jelly: I'd understand if it was larger (hardlinks becoming separate files, sparse files not being sparse files anymore), but what would make it smaller?
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• 2998[18:28:16] <CR3ZNEZCH> guys i hate metacity on debian testing, any suggestion for the alternative !!! :)
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• 3000[18:28:39] <petn-randall> !testing
• 3001[18:28:39] <dpkg> Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <stretch>. See replaced-url
• 3002[18:28:42] <jelly> petn-randall: don't remember exactly, ext4 is more efficient with metadata structures
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• 3005[18:29:15] <jelly> and unsparse files can become sparse if you tell rsync to try and sparsify the destination
• 3006[18:29:22] <jelly> but the user did not.
• 3007[18:29:31] <petn-randall> jelly: But metadata doesn't get counted towards the file size, IIRC.
• 3008[18:29:46] <jelly> petn-randall: disk usage is disk usage.
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• 3010[18:29:56] <jelly> file size != disk usage
• 3011[18:30:28] <petn-randall> CR3ZNEZCH: Testing support is in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
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• 3013[18:31:08] <petn-randall> jelly: True, I was assuming trysten is talking about file size.
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• 3015[18:31:27] <petn-randall> trysten: How are you measuring it?
• 3016[18:31:28] <CR3ZNEZCH> thanks randall
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• 3019[18:31:39] <jelly> petn-randall: in any case, I don't know the specifics but have seen the same issue going from ext3 to ext4
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• 3026[18:37:20] <trysten> petn-randall: du -Lsh
• 3027[18:38:01] <trysten> petn-randall: it wasn't empty.
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• 3030[18:38:46] <jelly> trysten: what happened when you added -b to du ?
• 3031[18:39:22] <trysten> 43 mb difference. i will copy it to an empty folder now, to test.
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• 3033[18:39:43] <jelly> difference?
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• 3037[18:40:05] <jelly> where did you have extra and where did you have bytes missing?
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• 3039[18:40:35] <trysten> yeah, new is still smaller than old. oh, i'm using du -sh.
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• 3041[18:40:50] <jelly> "du -sh" does not have -b option in it?
• 3042[18:41:24] <jelly> trysten: what happens if you add -b to du ?
• 3043[18:41:25] <trysten> sorry, i did try -bsh and there was still a difference
• 3044[18:41:48] <jelly> okay. that may be interesting.
• 3045[18:42:03] <jelly> Now compare just the files, not directories themselves.
• 3046[18:42:04] <jelly> :-)
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• 3048[18:42:21] <trysten> may as well diff the outputs of du -bh
• 3049[18:43:01] <jelly> and avoid using -h
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• 3056[18:43:53] <trysten> ok. running rsync -rav /home/old /home/new2 (old is on remote host, but i'm assuming that won't make a difference
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• 3064[18:45:30] <trysten> still a difference! i can't read bytes very well. 20k?
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• 3066[18:45:57] <trysten> -b overrides -h..
• 3067[18:46:23] <trysten> wat?! now new2 is larger than old!
• 3068[18:46:47] <greycat> Was there anything in it before you ran the rsync?
• 3069[18:47:01] <trysten> nope. empty folder for test!
• 3070[18:47:32] <greycat> OK, then the most likely explanation is you're using a command that reports disk blocks (not bytes), and your "remote" file system has a different block size.
• 3071[18:47:43] <petn-randall> trysten: Please check the difference between both old and new with 'du -bh' and compare the directories. If two differ, run that command in the subdir. Rinse, repeat until you find the difference.
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• 3076[18:51:13] <trysten> thanks everyone. i will report back
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• 3087[18:54:49] <trysten> the second test copy did copy correctly and the directories are identical. i must have mis-measured it.
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• 3116[19:07:32] <Ryuken> How do you install a app from command line using a .debian.tar.gz file?
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• 3123[19:08:21] <greycat> That's not an installable file by itself. Most likely it's just one file from a *set* that comprises a source package.
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• 3125[19:08:52] <Ryuken> How do I install this on Jessie? replaced-url
• 3126[19:08:56] <Ryuken> greycat
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• 3128[19:09:03] <Ryuken> From command line
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• 3130[19:09:08] <Ryuken> There's no package available
• 3131[19:09:17] <greycat> "haxe" is the name of the thing?
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• 3134[19:09:42] <Ryuken> Yes
• 3135[19:09:49] <Ryuken> It's a programming language / toolkit
• 3136[19:10:17] <greycat> It has three links (from replaced-url
• 3137[19:10:20] <jgo> ahh it's a wonderful day
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• 3139[19:11:04] <greycat> Oh, apparently you are supposed to click the TRIANGLE, not the blue text.
• 3140[19:11:20] <Ryuken> greycat: apt-get returns E: Unable to locate package haxe
• 3141[19:11:21] <greycat> Clicking the triangle opens up a thing with the full three-file source package.
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• 3144[19:11:28] <greycat> Download ALL THREE FILES, not just one.
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• 3146[19:11:41] <armin> Ryuken: did you try installing ocaml and building it?
• 3147[19:11:55] <Ryuken> greycat: So I transfer the files over SFTP and run them through command line?
• 3148[19:12:01] <greycat> !source
• 3149[19:12:01] <dpkg> As an overview: to work with Debian source packages, add a <deb-src> line to your sources list; cd to a location with free space; download the source package with <apt-get source>; edit <debian/rules> to taste; use <dpkg-buildpackage> to build the new .deb. For more details, also ask me about <package recompile> <backport> <nmg> <policy> <source package>
• 3150[19:12:10] <greycat> hmm....
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• 3152[19:12:16] <greycat> !dpkg-buildpackage
• 3153[19:12:17] <dpkg> i guess dpkg-buildpackage is a program in the dpkg-dev package that builds .debs from source. "aptitude install fakeroot devscripts dpkg-dev build-essential" and run 'dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -rfakeroot' in the source directory. Ask me about <package recompile> <debian/rules> <source>.
• 3154[19:12:32] <greycat> Damn it, where is the factoid for this...
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• 3158[19:13:04] <greycat> Anyway, the .dsc is the MAIN FILE of the three. It's the index. That's the one you run the dpkg commands on to perform the extraction. Once it's properly extracted and patched, then you can use the dpkg-buildpackage stuff.
• 3159[19:13:24] <greycat> "dpkg-source -x *.dsc"
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• 3162[19:14:01] <greycat> You will need to install all of the build-dependencies, probably by hand, because you won't have an apt-get build-dep available to help you.
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• 3178[19:22:22] <mutante> how do you change which editor the "editor" command starts
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• 3180[19:22:35] <greycat> update-alternatives --config editor
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• 3182[19:22:43] <mutante> thanks
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• 3225[19:38:40] <Ryuken> How do I check if a port is blocked?
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• 3233[19:41:11] <somiaj> Ryuken: by default it shouldn't be on a debian system, but you can use iptables to list the current rules.
• 3234[19:41:26] <somiaj> Ryuken: if the port is being blocked by your router or isp that is a different thing to check
• 3235[19:42:37] <mattyjohn> Do anyone know how to report abuse if someone doing spam posting on debian wiki
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• 3239[19:43:38] <Ryuken> I'm getting ""WebSocket connection to 'ws://(ip address here):8000/' failed: Error in connection establishment: net::ERR_CONNECTION_REFUSED"
• 3240[19:43:46] <Ryuken> Not sure if it's because port 8000 is blocked by default?
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• 3243[19:44:11] <mattyjohn> someone is doing spam posting on debian wiki could anyone do something in that matter?
• 3244[19:44:35] <greycat> I don't even know who the wiki admins are, let alone whether any of them idle here.
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• 3250[19:45:06] <mattyjohn> Can anyone tell me who is admin here?
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• 3255[19:47:35] <jmcnaught> mattyjohn: there's #debian-replaced-url
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• 3262[19:50:02] <stephanie92> Hey guys, i am unable to install this package: linux-kbuild-4.5 even tho my kernel header requires it. Any ideas?
• 3263[19:50:14] <stephanie92> When i attempt to install it, it says it doesn't exist
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• 3266[19:51:17] <mattyjohn> who is admin here could anyone le me know?
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• 3270[19:52:26] <greycat> stephanie92: normally you install the kernel headers by doing apt-get install linux-headers-"$(uname -r)"
• 3271[19:52:32] <stephanie92> When i attempt to install linux-kbuild-4.5 with aptitude (rather than apt-get.. since aptitude will usually address dependency issues better than apt-get), i receive the following error: replaced-url
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• 3273[19:52:40] <greycat> this is assuming you use a Debian kernel of course
• 3274[19:52:45] <jmcnaught> mattyjohn: replaced-url
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• 3276[19:53:03] <stephanie92> greycat: Hi greycat, thank you taking the time to hear me out (: .. yes i've also tried installing the header using that command
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• 3278[19:53:33] <stephanie92> greycat: this is the header i'm attempting to install: linux-headers-4.5.0-2-grsec-amd64 -in which my kernel matches
• 3279[19:53:36] <greycat> if you installed a kernel from jessie-backports then you may also have to specify -t jessie-backports on the header command too
• 3280[19:53:53] <greycat> I don't know what that kernel is.
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• 3282[19:53:56] <stephanie92> greycat: yes dear, that's how i attempted to install it the first time
• 3283[19:54:08] <greycat> ,v linux-headers-4.5.0-2-grsec-amd64
• 3284[19:54:09] <judd> Package: linux-headers-4.5.0-2-grsec-amd64 on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 4.5.7-1+grsec201606222150+1~bpo8+1; sid: 4.5.7-1+grsec201606292300+1
• 3285[19:54:22] <greycat> apt-get -t jessie-backports install linux-headers-4.5.0-2-grsec-amd64
• 3286[19:54:27] <stephanie92> greycat: 4.5.0-2-grsec-amd64
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• 3292[19:55:48] <stephanie92> greycat:
• 3293[19:55:48] <stephanie92> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
• 3294[19:55:48] <stephanie92> linux-headers-4.5.0-2-grsec-amd64 : Depends: linux-kbuild-4.5 but it is not installable
• 3295[19:55:48] <stephanie92> E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
• 3296[19:55:48] *** stephanie92 was kicked by debhelper (flood. Please use replaced-url
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• 3298[19:56:11] <stephanie92> greycat: was kicked from deb for spamming xD guess i should have pastebin'd
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• 3300[19:56:13] <stephanie92> sec
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• 3302[19:56:39] <stephanie92> greycat: replaced-url
• 3303[19:56:50] <stephanie92> greycat: that is when issuing -t install as you recommended
• 3304[19:57:07] <greycat> linux-kbuild-4.5 is a virtual package but I have no idea who/what is supposed to provide it
• 3305[19:57:28] <greycat> How deeply attached are you to this kernel? Maybe you would have better luck grabbing something newer.
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• 3307[19:57:42] <stephanie92> greycat: erm, that is the newest grsecure kernel
• 3308[19:58:12] <greycat> Then it's beyond me. I don't know anything about grsec.
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• 3310[19:59:06] <stephanie92> omg seriously? replaced-url
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• 3313[19:59:49] <greycat> I doubt I'd love it. Looks like it's causing you grief.
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• 3316[20:00:09] <stephanie92> greycat: hehe, it never has until today ;3
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• 3318[20:00:26] <stephanie92> greycat: perhaps deb just released this package today ..
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• 3323[20:01:22] <greycat> jessie-backports has packages providing linux-kbuild-4.6 but not -4.5
• 3324[20:01:35] <stephanie92> greycat: i know, it's the oddest thing
• 3325[20:01:39] <greycat> so that's why I'm thinking the newer 4.6 kernels would be less griefy
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• 3328[20:02:12] <stephanie92> greycat: but but.. the newer kernels don't have the same type of beauty as a grsecurity kernel.
• 3329[20:02:27] <stephanie92> greycat: the security kernels are more geared towards servers IMO
• 3330[20:02:47] <greycat> I guess either you wait for jessie-backports to be fixed, or you build your own grsecurity kernel image + headers
• 3331[20:02:56] <Ryuken> How do you open a port on debian
• 3332[20:02:56] <stephanie92> greycat: ew
• 3333[20:03:16] <greycat> Ryuken: There is no firewall by default. A port is "open" if some service (daemon) is listening on it.
• 3334[20:03:17] <stephanie92> Ryuken: please specify which type of port you're trying to open O_o
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• 3337[20:03:28] <somiaj> Ryuken: as I answered, by default all ports are open, so unles you specifically closed it you don't need to open it.
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• 3339[20:03:36] <Ryuken> 8000
• 3340[20:03:38] <Ryuken> failed: Error in connection establishment: net::ERR_CONNECTION_REFUSED
• 3341[20:03:39] <towo`> Ryuken, start the service behind that port, then it's open
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• 3343[20:03:55] <Ryuken> "WebSocket connection to 'ws://(ip address here):8000/' failed: Error in connection establishment: net::ERR_CONNECTION_REFUSED
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• 3345[20:03:57] <stephanie92> Ryuken: Are you trying to connect to a server or is this all internal?
• 3346[20:04:09] <Ryuken> Connect to a server from my PC
• 3347[20:04:13] <Ryuken> Using websockets
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• 3349[20:04:26] <stephanie92> Ryuken: issue netstat -lap and see if your pc is listening
• 3350[20:04:28] <Ryuken> A websocket server is running on the server
• 3351[20:04:32] <Ryuken> And I tested it locally and it works
• 3352[20:04:38] <Ryuken> And the IP address is correct
• 3353[20:04:42] <stephanie92> Ryuken: issue netstat -lap and see if your pc is listening
• 3354[20:04:44] <greycat> Is it listening on loopback only, or all IPs?
• 3355[20:05:31] <Ryuken> On the VPS or on my PC?
• 3356[20:05:40] <stephanie92> Ryuken: on the vps.. xD
• 3357[20:05:45] <greycat> On the machine where the alleged service is running.
• 3358[20:06:07] <stephanie92> greycat: 'alleged' XD
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• 3362[20:11:00] <greycat> A more modern command to use on the server to see how it's listening would be: ss -ntl 'sport = :8000'
• 3363[20:11:11] <stephanie92> :O ss?
• 3364[20:11:13] <stephanie92> never heard of it
• 3365[20:11:23] <greycat> netstat is kinda deprecated now. ss is supposed to replace it, eventually.
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• 3367[20:11:37] <stephanie92> interesting
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• 3369[20:11:58] <Ryuken> replaced-url
• 3370[20:12:12] <Ryuken> thats what ss returns
• 3371[20:12:36] <Ryuken> Seems kind of weird that's all it returns when I'm also running nginx
• 3372[20:12:42] <greycat> 127.0.0.1:8000 means it is only listening to loopback (localhost), not to the network
• 3373[20:13:08] <stephanie92> greycat: going to attempt to install source code on a grsec kernel with 3.12 headers. prey my server doesn't xplode ;3
• 3374[20:13:09] <Ryuken> What address should I provide it?
• 3375[20:13:24] <Ryuken> The server-side code
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• 3377[20:13:45] <towo`> i don't think a vps is the right playground for you if i think about your knowledge Ryuken
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• 3379[20:14:13] <Ryuken> towo` Thank you for the condensation.
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• 3381[20:14:26] <stephanie92> towo: we all had to start somewhere :P
• 3382[20:14:34] <greycat> Ryuken: The service is only listening to loopback. I don't know if that's normal for this service or not. It may have a configuration option for you to tell it to listen on the network instead. Or listening directly on the network may be a HORRIBLE SECURITY THING TO DO. I have no way of knowing.
• 3383[20:14:42] <towo`> stephanie92, not with a server in the web
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• 3385[20:14:56] <stephanie92> towo: hehe maybe it's a throwaway vps
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• 3388[20:15:17] <Ryuken> towo`: What's your occupation irl?
• 3389[20:15:36] <stephanie92> oh gawd, here we go
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• 3391[20:15:52] <greycat> Ryuken: PS the word you wanted was "condescension"
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• 3393[20:17:52] <Ryuken> Also why are you speaking as if I'm running someone else's service
• 3394[20:18:03] <Ryuken> It's all low-level
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• 3396[20:18:29] <stephanie92> Ryuken: don't be so easily offended. Just keep your head down and continue to learn
• 3397[20:18:40] <greycat> It's something you programmed? Then you should know how to tell it to listen on all interfaces instead of only on loopback.
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• 3401[20:19:52] <Ryuken> stephanie92: Continue to learn what? To be a Sys Admin making 50k a year working at some boring place with poor benefits, no thanks.
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• 3404[20:20:28] <greycat> You're asking us questions about network services, so presumably this is an area where you are trying to learn.
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• 3407[20:21:01] <Ryuken> You don't need to know about NetSec to be a programmer, that's a specialization
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• 3409[20:21:02] <greycat> The software application decides which interface to listen to. The exact call will depend on the programming language.
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• 3414[20:21:35] <greycat> Apparently *you* do need to learn this, because it's affecting the thing you are trying to do.
• 3415[20:21:37] <stephanie92> Ryuken: You should never limit yourself
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• 3418[20:22:09] <stephanie92> Ryuken: Even if it's not what you'd like to do for a living doesn't mean you should limit yourself.
• 3419[20:22:10] <Ryuken> How am I supposed to learn when I'm being condescended when asking basic questions?
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• 3421[20:22:20] <fennesz> Would like to make persistent settings for hdparm . I have found this replaced-url
• 3422[20:22:22] <greycat> YOU are the one insulting US, not the other way around.
• 3423[20:22:32] <Ryuken> When did I insult you?
• 3424[20:22:39] <Ryuken> I was the one being told I'm too incompetent to own a VPS
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• 3426[20:22:59] <greycat> By implying that anyone who cares about network services is of lesser importance than you, You Being The Almighty Programmer.
• 3427[20:23:10] <Ryuken> I never said that
• 3428[20:23:15] <Ryuken> You're making heavy implications out of my posts
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• 3430[20:24:58] <somiaj> Lets just get back to support, anyways Ryuken no one reconizgnizes the service you are running, and you ahve been told the issue is telling that service to listen on an outside port, or learn how to route using iptables
• 3431[20:25:10] <stephanie92> Ryuken: Whether you like it not, you came into this channel to seek knowledge. Of course there is going to be a smart ass - this is everywhere you go. But insulting half of the channel isn't going to get you any further
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• 3435[20:25:32] <greycat> routing won't help here -- he has to get it to listen on 0.0.0.0 or he has to set up port forwarding, or an HTTP layer gateway, or something similar
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• 3440[20:26:24] <greycat> I would avoid iptables if at all possible.
• 3441[20:26:32] <somiaj> greycat: oh you can't route to lo? Never tried it, but I woudln't not suggest using that method.
• 3442[20:27:23] <greycat> iptables can do port forwarding of incoming connections to a localhost service, but it's a massive pain in the ass (compared to the same thing on OpenBSD PF)
• 3443[20:27:32] <Ryuken> "he has to get it to listen on 0.0.0.0 "
• 3444[20:27:34] <Ryuken> Now it works
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• 3446[20:27:42] <greycat> In any case, changing the app to listen to 0.0.0.0 would be a hundred times easier.
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• 3448[20:29:15] <jelly> greycat: can using only iptables really do it? lo iface is one huge exception in how netfilter works
• 3449[20:29:39] <fennesz> Should I make this file /usr/lib/systemd/system-sleep/hdparm_set for hdparm to work after standby?
• 3450[20:29:52] <jelly> in particular it's not possible to use nat table to move packets from eth0 to lo in any way
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• 3452[20:30:10] <greycat> jelly: I'd have to defer to #netfilter for the details.
• 3453[20:30:24] <greycat> I thought I'd seen it done before, but it has been several years.
• 3454[20:30:34] <jelly> I had to do it with a userspace relay, couple of years ago
• 3455[20:31:02] <Ryuken> It was a Haxe websocket server trans-compiled using NodeJS externs
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• 3457[20:31:07] <Ryuken> After listening on 0.0.0.0 it works
• 3458[20:31:12] <greycat> OK, good.
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• 3517[21:01:00] <nealwrang> Do anyone knows admin email address?
• 3518[21:01:13] <professorkaos64> what package determines what version of the mesa stack / intel you are using? libgl1-mesa-glx?
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• 3523[21:02:04] <jhutchins> nealwrang: Which admin? I know mine.
• 3524[21:02:32] <nealwrang> jhutchins you are admin?
• 3525[21:02:51] <jhutchins> nealwrang: On a few hundred systems, yeah. Nothing related to Freenode or IRC.
• 3526[21:03:22] <nealwrang> actually I want to report abuse about a user who is doing spam posting on debian wiki
• 3527[21:03:54] <jhutchins> nealwrang: Ah, so what you need is the wiki admin team. Should be somewhere on the homepage.
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• 3529[21:04:33] <nealwrang> justchins: I am not getting actual email address?
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• 3531[21:05:12] <greycat> Looks like some wiki users have deleted some spam in the last 24 hours, so they're aware of the issue. They just haven't got to the latest batch yet.
• 3532[21:05:18] <jhutchins> nealwrang: Right at the bottom, "Debian Wiki team,..." click "team".
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• 3535[21:06:05] <greycat> Last obvious undeleted spam on the RecentChanges page is "88m ago" (well maybe a couple more m now)
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• 3538[21:06:19] <greycat> err, s/Last/First/
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• 3540[21:06:52] <jhutchins> greycat: So they're doing a reasonable job of keeping up with it, for volunteers who probably have real jobs to do.
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• 3542[21:07:42] <nealwrang> greycat: they are doing continue posting I don't know how admin is not taking care of it.
• 3543[21:08:02] <greycat> Because the admins are HUMAN and they can't spend EVERY FUCKING MINUTE deleting spam.
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• 3545[21:08:51] <greycat> I got this quicbooks bullshit on my wiki a few months back. Then it got worse.
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• 3547[21:09:25] <nealwrang> greycat: How do they create wiki account?
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• 3549[21:09:51] <greycat> Same way you do.
• 3550[21:10:07] <greycat> By "they" you meant the spammers, right?
• 3551[21:10:23] <nealwrang> yea
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• 3555[21:12:16] <nealwrang> :Could you report admin about user James Smithfvhj
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• 3557[21:12:58] <greycat> :No, I have no direct connection to the Debian wiki admins.
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• 3559[21:13:48] <nealwrang> ok
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• 3588[21:31:29] <Ryuken> greycat: They could add better captcha and more verifications for posting
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• 3591[21:32:12] <greycat> You've never adminned a MoinMoin wiki before, have you.
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• 3594[21:32:56] <greycat> MoinMoin has precisely TWO ways to combat spam: LocalBadContent (a list of regexes which, if present on the page, will cause the edit to be rejected) and TextChas.
• 3595[21:33:07] <greycat> I tried both.
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• 3601[21:33:53] <greycat> Eventually got to the point where absolutely NOTHING would work except putting a secret password in my IRC bot and using the TextCha to say "Get the password from such and such bot on such and such IRC network"
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• 3604[21:34:42] <module000> if spammers taught me anything: they are more resourceful than I am
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• 3607[21:35:35] <Ryuken> Well if you create a custom captcha it's likely to combat a lot of spam, because if you use a popular or well known captcha like google's thousands of people have already written bots for it
• 3608[21:35:44] <greycat> They outnumber you. Individually they are weaker than you, but they just keeping coming, and coming, and coming.
• 3609[21:35:49] <Ryuken> If you write something highly specific, there's a greatly reduced chance that a bot will get past it
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• 3611[21:36:12] <greycat> Ryuken: Shut up. You have no idea how any of this works.
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• 3614[21:36:56] <Ryuken> greycat: What are you talking about? I've managed a MediaWiki with lots of spammers and and a decent number of users
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• 3616[21:37:02] <Ryuken> Tell me one thing about what I said that you can objectively refute
• 3617[21:37:13] <greycat> Mediawiki has more options available.
• 3618[21:37:13] <abrotman> or, move on ..
• 3619[21:37:39] <ilmaisin> why does systemctl --user say "Failed to get D-Bus connection: Connection refused" and how to fix it
• 3620[21:37:46] <greycat> MoinMoin has TextChas and LocalBadContent. That is literally the entire set of options. There are no other options.
• 3621[21:38:06] <greycat> ilmaisin: just upgraded to jessie and haven't rebooted to run systemd yet?
• 3622[21:38:33] <ilmaisin> greycat: i have never upgraded it, it was always jessie machine
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• 3624[21:38:35] <Ryuken> Then why would you use such an awful wiki engine?
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• 3626[21:38:37] <ilmaisin> it's an ovh vps ssd
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• 3628[21:38:38] <module000> it's hard to fight (in our spare time) a subset of people that are literally doing what they do so they can eat tomorrow - they are more motivated than I can ever be
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• 3630[21:39:08] <greycat> ilmaisin: so it's not using a systemd-capable kernel? Or what?
• 3631[21:39:46] <ilmaisin> greycat: how can i find it out?
• 3632[21:39:53] <greycat> start with "uname -a"
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• 3636[21:40:27] <ilmaisin> greycat: Linux <hostname> 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt25-2+deb8u3 (2016-07-02) x86_64 GNU/Linux
• 3637[21:40:47] <greycat> OK, try ls -ld /sbin/init
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• 3639[21:41:09] <ilmaisin> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 Mar 12 13:46 /sbin/init -> /lib/systemd/systemd
• 3640[21:41:22] <ilmaisin> the system-wide systemd is working fine, but the per-user systemd is not
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• 3643[21:41:43] <sbstn> ilmaisin: do you have dbus installed and running "systemctl status dbus.service"? if you have disabled recommends in package manager you might not have it installed automatically.
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• 3645[21:42:11] <ilmaisin> sbstn: it's active
• 3646[21:42:24] <ilmaisin> i try rebooting the vps
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• 3653[21:43:53] <ilmaisin> bah, nothing
• 3654[21:44:05] <ilmaisin> maybe i should get rid of systemd altogether
• 3655[21:44:16] <terrible> i have problem with the audio in debian jessie since i open vlc any help??
• 3656[21:44:24] <ilmaisin> it's opponents are obviously right, it is under no one's control
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• 3663[21:46:06] <greycat> ilmaisin: dbus for a user session usually starts along with X. I'm not sure if it runs on console logins.
• 3664[21:46:18] <greycat> or whatever kind of login you're doing
• 3665[21:46:51] <ilmaisin> oh no
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• 3667[21:48:07] <greycat> But. Hmm. Even ssh-ing into a box where I am *not* logged in on the console (but someone else is), I can still do systemctl --user
• 3668[21:48:36] <terrible> i have problem with the audio in debian jessie since i open vlc any help??
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• 3674[21:50:07] <jhutchins> terrible: What did you try to do? How did you try to do it? What did you expect to happen? What happened instead?
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• 3676[21:50:23] <sm00th> hey guys i have a problem on boot
• 3677[21:50:27] <ilmaisin> can i easily run jessie without systemd
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• 3680[21:50:53] <terrible> jhutchins, the sound was good until i open vlc then i have no sound at all
• 3681[21:50:53] <sm00th> I removed nvidia drivers then installed ones from backport. and now it says cryptsetup: lvm not available when I boot after putting in my password for encrypted drive
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• 3683[21:51:05] <sm00th> debian is not booting now
• 3684[21:51:10] <greycat> replaced-url
• 3685[21:51:34] <xreal> Anyone of you ever worked with hardware encrypted disks and sedutil? When having a non-boot system, I don't need a PBA to decryped the showMBR of course. But how do I unlock the drive then? Will the also be a prompt on boot or is TPM being used? So if TPM is used, why does booting from an encryped drive wants me to have a password? :)
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• 3687[21:51:41] <greycat> "The great people on #debian-systemd told me this requires libpam-systemd, which is not included by default in minimal Jessie."
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• 3689[21:51:50] <ilmaisin> greycat: and yes, libpam-systemd is installed
• 3690[21:52:10] <jhutchins> terrible: Did you close vlc? Are you sure it's not running? What else were you using to play audio?
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• 3697[21:54:04] <ilmaisin> yes, systemd is obviously a bad choice for me as it is such a loose cannon
• 3698[21:54:17] <terrible> jhutchins, yes i close vlc and i still get no audio i use gnome-mplayer to play audio
• 3699[21:54:38] <ilmaisin> maybe it's related to su command somehow
• 3700[21:54:39] <sm00th> I have same exact issue as this guy replaced-url
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• 3702[21:55:09] <ilmaisin> yeah, with regular login it works ok
• 3703[21:55:17] <greycat> ...
• 3704[21:55:23] <sm00th> all I did was remove nvidia drivers with apt-get purge nvidia-drivers and apt-get purge glx-nvidia-dkms or something I think its called. removed the 20-nvidia-confg in Xorg directory. reoboted into nouveau.
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• 3707[21:55:44] <sbstn> ilmaisin: yeah, I imagine pam doesn't have configuration for pam_systemd for su (as it is set up in common-session iirc)
• 3708[21:55:48] <sm00th> then installed the nvidia 352 drivers from backports using the wiki instructions
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• 3711[21:56:00] <jhutchins> sm00th: Where does the boot process stop?
• 3712[21:56:17] <sm00th> first I did apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') for 3.16 kernel.
• 3713[21:56:27] <sm00th> then apt-get install -t jessie-backports nvidia-driver
• 3714[21:56:29] <sm00th> and then rebooted.
• 3715[21:56:36] <sm00th> I don't even use lvm so not sure whY i'm getting the error.
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• 3719[21:57:06] <jhutchins> sm00th: Sounds like something's strange with your initrd.
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• 3727[22:00:04] <sm00th> maybe I shoult just install ubuntu lol
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• 3733[22:02:22] <jhutchins> People always try to make installing another distro sound like a threat. Why should we care?
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• 3749[22:09:14] <dka> I am trying to add LDAP for authentication, people told me to replace courier-imap by dovecot, so I've installed dovecot, the servers starts fine, here are the logs : replaced-url
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• 3752[22:10:28] <mutante> dka: you could use telnet or netcat to connect to the IMAP port and see if you get a banner
• 3753[22:10:43] <dka> dka@dev-01:[~]: telnet imap.kopaxgroup.com imap
• 3754[22:10:44] <dka> Trying 178.33.231.99...
• 3755[22:10:44] <dka> Connected to imap.kopaxgroup.com.
• 3756[22:10:44] <dka> Escape character is '^]'.
• 3757[22:10:44] <dka> Connection closed by foreign host.
• 3758[22:10:45] *** dka was kicked by debhelper (flood. Please use replaced-url
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• 3760[22:11:10] <greycat> No banner, so the service is crashing or something.
• 3761[22:11:16] <dka> but I got disconnected straight away. I can't type any command like in every tutorial I see
• 3762[22:11:16] <greycat> Check the service's logs.
• 3763[22:11:31] <dka> replaced-url
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• 3767[22:12:14] <dka> there are not, I am accessing the mail server port using a tcp reverse proxy (haproxy), could it be the cause?
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• 3769[22:12:19] <greycat> Fix the errors in the dovecot logs.
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• 3771[22:12:38] <jhutchins> dka: Pastebin.com is blocked by many webfilters (including mine).
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• 3774[22:13:27] <dka> replaced-url
• 3775[22:13:30] <greycat> He has 3 obfuscated (!!!!) errors in the section that he has labelled "LOGS dovecot"
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• 3777[22:14:16] <greycat> They all seem to point to "I can't find this user's home directory"
• 3778[22:14:52] <dka> replaced-url
• 3779[22:15:06] <dka> "I have a strange message into the logs of dovecot, il says something like:", "But the mail arrives correctly, and no problems at all."
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• 3787[22:17:31] <dka> greycat, could it be the problem?
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• 3790[22:17:43] <greycat> Ask #dovecot. It exists, has > 200 people in it.
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• 3792[22:18:42] <temhaa> hello
• 3793[22:18:49] <temhaa> I installed kvm to in my server
• 3794[22:19:01] <temhaa> I am providing internet by wireless for host machine
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• 3797[22:19:11] <temhaa> How can I assign ip to guest to use same network with host
• 3798[22:19:20] <temhaa> Can I access to guest in host network
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• 3822[22:28:30] <jhutchins> temhaa: That's really a kvm question, not a Debian question, but it should be covered by the basic kvm docs.
• 3823[22:28:33] <jhutchins> !kvm
• 3824[22:28:34] <dpkg> Kernel-based Virtual Machine (KVM) is a full <virtualization> solution for Linux hosts on x86 hardware with x86 guests. Packaged as qemu-kvm since Debian 6.0 "Squeeze". See replaced-url
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• 3834[22:32:47] <ilmaisin> mikähän helvetti minun virtuaalipalvelinta mahtaa vaivata
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• 3841[22:34:34] <ilmaisin> onkohan se kammottava systemd-oksennus sekoittanut sen vai onko virtuaalialustassa jotain ongelmaa
• 3842[22:34:53] <chaddy> suomi?
• 3843[22:35:04] <ilmaisin> oops
• 3844[22:35:05] <greycat> We don't speak Finnish, or whatever that is. Sorry.
• 3845[22:35:10] <ilmaisin> wrong channel
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• 3847[22:35:16] <chaddy> hehe
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• 3852[22:36:25] <teclo-> suomi indeed
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• 3865[22:42:18] <temhaa> jhutchins: I couldn't find anywhere
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• 3871[22:43:37] <patatapotatoe> hey guys. i did a netinst of debian on a virtual machine. i installed only the basic utilities. then installed xorg. do i need to install some kind of intel hd graphics drivers or do they come out of the box?
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• 3875[22:44:33] <greycat> There is an intel driver included in the packages brought in by xorg. If it doesn't work well enough on your particular card, then you can look at maybe using the one from jessie-backports.
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• 3878[22:45:03] <ojaito> hi everyone: every 5 min or so, avahi sets up "eth0:avahi" and this shuts down my wireless connectivity until I type "ifconfig eth0 down"; any thoughts?
• 3879[22:45:19] <ojaito> (this is on debian 8.x, after upgrading)
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• 3881[22:46:28] <patatapotatoe> ok, thank you, greycat. also i installed dwm (dynamic windows manager) and added the lines 'exec startx' and 'exec dwm' on my ~/.xinitrc file but it won't start after i log in
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• 3884[22:47:13] <jhutchins> patatapotatoe: .xinitrc wouldn't be accessed until after something (startx) had started X.
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• 3889[22:48:11] <patatapotatoe> jhutchins: so what should i do? how could i make this happen everytime i log in?
• 3890[22:48:13] <jhutchins> patatapotatoe: Most setups these days use a ?dm program that acts as greeter/login/desktop launcher.
• 3891[22:48:18] <greycat> If you use startx in Debian, it should read ~/.xsession by preference, I think. They keep changing shit on me and not documenting it, so who knows.
• 3892[22:48:44] <patatapotatoe> greycat: ok let me try it]
• 3893[22:48:45] <jhutchins> greycat: .xsession wouldn't get sourced until startx had already started x.
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• 3896[22:49:29] <greycat> Uh, yeah...? That's where you put the "exec my window manager" command. Definitely do NOT put an "exec startx" command in it.
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• 3898[22:50:29] <greycat> With startx everything is so clear and simple. You login on the console into a login shell. This reads /etc/profile and /etc/.bash_profile. You can configure your environment there. Then you run startx and it reads ~/.xsession and you can put whatever X client apps and WM you want in there. It's all so easy. So clear. So normal.
• 3899[22:50:48] <flazz> i have two machines, with seemingly identical sets of lists under /var/lib/apt/lists/, but a relevant pkg is available on machine 1 via dpkg -l, but not on the second, what might I be doing wrong?
• 3900[22:51:03] <greycat> With *dm nobody knows a damned thing. There is no documentation. Go ahead, read the man page for lightdm. Tell me what dot files it reads from the user's home directory.
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• 3911[22:53:54] <patatapotatoe> greycat: fine. i added 'exec dwm' on ~/.xsession . now what do i do with .profile?
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• 3914[22:54:07] <patatapotatoe> or is .profile and .bash_profile different files?
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• 3917[22:54:44] <greycat> A normal user in Debian is given a .bash_profile which you can edit as you see fit. A bash login shell will look for ~/.bash_profile or ~/.bash_login or ~/.profile in that order.
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• 3919[22:55:15] <armin> i actually symlink my .xsession to .xinitrc
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• 3921[22:55:35] <armin> just because i don't see a reason in that diversion on my systems.
• 3922[22:55:37] <greycat> Yeah, that's common for those of us who come from other systems.
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• 3924[22:56:17] <armin> same with /etc/init.d symlinked to /etc/rc.d, or /usr/bin/apt symlinked to /usr/bin/pkg *shrugs*
• 3925[22:56:35] <jhutchins> greycat: .bashrc
• 3926[22:56:52] <patatapotatoe> greycat: anyway. after placing the command 'exec dwm' in ~/.xsession and typing the command 'startx', my computer crashes
• 3927[22:56:57] <armin> and yes the latter one is a pretty ugly habit...
• 3928[22:57:04] <greycat> .bashrc is read by NON-login bash shells (e.g. the one you get when you run an xterm), and *SHOULD* be dotted in (or sourced) by .bash_profile as well.
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• 3931[22:57:40] <greycat> patatapotatoe: does it work if you remove the ~/.xsession file and just run startx with all the defaults? I.e. is the problem in dwm or in X itself?
• 3932[22:58:00] <armin> greycat: you wouldn't want to know how evil deviations i already saw from that, in other distributions...
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• 3935[22:58:38] <greycat> armin: The main deviant behavior in my experience is configuring the window manager to run xterm -ls which runs a LOGIN shell in every terminal window.
• 3936[22:59:00] <greycat> This is done in a bunch of university type settings where people don't know what the hell they're doing.
• 3937[22:59:00] <armin> greycat: do you remember where you saw that?
• 3938[22:59:14] <greycat> Mac OS did it too, I heard rumors.
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• 3942[22:59:35] <patatapotatoe> greycat: wow it does. it also runs dwm
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• 3946[23:00:15] <greycat> patatapotatoe: well, I know nothing about dwm. Maybe "exec dwm" just isn't the right command to start it.
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• 3949[23:00:34] <patatapotatoe> greycat: according to the archwiki, it is
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• 3953[23:00:45] <patatapotatoe> i've used it before and it worked like this, but i have a long time to use linux
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• 3955[23:01:42] <armin> greycat: that's almost as evil as a .mozilla in /etc/skel where they entirely break IPv6 (linuxmint). i recently got a mail from the core developer of mint who told me that will be disabled in mint 18...
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• 3958[23:04:01] <jhutchins> patatapotatoe: That's the kind of thing that could be true in Arch but not true in Debian.
• 3959[23:04:11] <patatapotatoe> :/
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• 3966[23:04:54] <patatapotatoe> jhutchins: how could i start startx on login
• 3967[23:05:16] <greycat> You mean automatically?
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• 3969[23:05:24] <patatapotatoe> yes
• 3970[23:05:43] <greycat> put "startx" or "exec startx" at the end of ~/.bash_profile
• 3971[23:06:07] <greycat> But note, if you ever ssh into this box, you'll need something fancier to prevent it from doing that on ssh logins.
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• 3973[23:06:28] <greycat> E.g.: case $(tty) in /dev/tty*) exec startx;; esac
• 3974[23:06:46] <greycat> or... is that still not strong enough? Hmm.
• 3975[23:07:13] <greycat> that'll work well enough for ssh, but maybe not hardwired dial-in modems
• 3976[23:07:43] <patatapotatoe> greycat: i did not install SSH, do you think this is the problem? i installed only the basic utilities
• 3977[23:07:51] <greycat> No, that isn't related.
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• 3980[23:08:41] <patatapotatoe> greycat: ok this worked, but i still don't understand how it chooses to start dwm just on its own without me having placed its name on some file
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• 3984[23:09:03] <greycat> patatapotatoe: in the absence of ~/.xsession it runs some system-wide default X session
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• 3987[23:09:20] <greycat> you could find out where that is and what's in it, and copy it into your ~/.xsession for later modification
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• 3991[23:11:14] <greycat> On jessie, looks like it uses /etc/X11/Xsession which then does a run-parts on /etc/X11/Xsession.d/*
• 3992[23:11:29] <jhutchins> patatapotatoe: iirc somewhere in the X startup scripts is a list of possible session managers that it leafs through, and when one is run it gets moved to the top to be the one started next time. If only one is installed, that's what loads.
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• 3996[23:12:15] <patatapotatoe> this whole thing has got me very confused :(
• 3997[23:12:25] <patatapotatoe> thank you guys for the help
• 3998[23:12:38] <patatapotatoe> at least i got it working, although i dont understand how ti works
• 3999[23:12:44] <greycat> Among other things, /etc/X11/Xsession.d/50x11-common_determine-startup looks for /usr/bin/x-session-manager or /usr/bin/x-window-manager
• 4000[23:12:54] <greycat> and both of those should be symlinks to /etc/alternatives/
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• 4002[23:13:02] <glassresistor> im setting up a password server and need to setup a local backup, I'm wanting to use an encrypted external volume to store database dumps on
• 4003[23:13:32] <glassresistor> how do i mount an encrypted drive on boot
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• 4005[23:13:54] <glassresistor> im ok with someone having to put the external volume password on boot but i just don
• 4006[23:13:59] <glassresistor> t want them to have to log in
• 4007[23:13:59] <jhutchins> glassresistor: Put it in fstab.
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• 4010[23:14:20] <glassresistor> jhutchins: how will it handle the password?
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• 4012[23:14:43] <jhutchins> glassresistor: Not sure. Never used linux drive encryption.
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• 4014[23:15:41] <patatapotatoe> greycat: is there some website where I could read how the whole windows manager system works?
• 4015[23:15:55] <greycat> Probably not.
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• 4017[23:16:01] <patatapotatoe> it seems to have changed from what I was used to
• 4018[23:16:29] <glassresistor> jhutchins: it looks like fstab only works with the mapped partition, i still have to use crypto
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• 4022[23:17:22] <greycat> patatapotatoe: ls -ld /etc/x-{session,window}-manager
• 4023[23:17:24] <greycat> bah
• 4024[23:17:29] <greycat> patatapotatoe: ls -ld /etc/alternatives/x-{session,window}-manager
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• 4045[23:26:24] <johnny0> glassresistor: you may want to check out the Arch wiki -- it has some pretty good documentation on what you're looking for and should be applicable for jessie -- replaced-url
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• 4056[23:29:25] <johnny0> glassresistor: If you don't specify a keyfile in /etc/crypttab i'm pretty sure you'll end up with a prompt for a password. You probably want to take a look at the crypttab manpage to be sure.
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• 4096[23:42:36] <Neville> I am trying to calibrate monitors and would like to install a color profile under xfce & Dedian. Please point me in the right direction.
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• 4098[23:42:42] <Neville> displayCal returns this message under Debian 8.4:
• 4099[23:42:49] <Neville> colord: The profile has been imported. You may need to manually assign and activate under "Color" system setting.
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• 4102[23:43:09] <Neville> Where's the color settings?
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• 4104[23:44:52] <simonlnu> in your desktop's control centre/system settings
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• 4108[23:45:59] <jhutchins> If you're lucky.
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• 4112[23:48:56] <chaddy> which error?
• 4113[23:49:02] <xbytemx> Hi everyoine, i'm searching for a notes/ToDo app that work on Debian as desktop client, has a secure sync to cloud and had a version for android. Did anyone know?
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• 4115[23:49:28] <jhutchins> deepblue_: Because you're doing it wrong?
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• 4121[23:51:50] <xbytemx> jhutchins: Till now, im using vim-geeknote, but it doesn't have local storage aka offline mode
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• 4124[23:52:28] <Neville> in your desktop's control centre/system settings - nope, this is a different color option...I want to install a icc profile...looking for something similar to gnome color manager
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• 4127[23:53:24] <petn-randall> xbytemx: From the top of my head, there's taskwarrior, or owncloud + tasks app.
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• 4129[23:53:38] <jhutchins> Neville: I see notes that colord interfaces with xrandr, which should be available on non-Gnome systems.
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• 4132[23:54:01] <jhutchins> xbytemx: vi + rsync
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