• 0[00:00:00] <[Saint]> So being able to do it wirelessly from early boot would be ideal, but I can only find solutions to handle doing so on a wired network.
• 1[00:00:31] <menace> and how would you avoid replay attacks? O_o
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• 4[00:01:00] <menace> an usb stick is not an active component. or do you want to install a little AP which authenticates?
• 5[00:01:08] <menace> instead of the usb stick?
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• 7[00:01:21] <[Saint]> right.
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• 11[00:01:49] <[Saint]> ie. early boot brings up an AP that would allow for ecryptfs details to be passed.
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• 15[00:02:20] <[Saint]> handling trusted clients on the wireless isn't problematic.
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• 17[00:02:29] <menace> how does the AP know the machine is the right machine and not an impersonator?
• 18[00:03:17] <menace> perhaps additional x509 certificates in early boot stage? :D
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• 21[00:04:19] <[Saint]> it doesn't need to, really. even if by some miracle anyone managed to unlock the full disk encryption they would then be faced with only being able to log in under ssh with a metric fucktonne of prerequisites - key, passphrase, 2fa, user, hostname, MAC, and port-knock-code auth before anything gets through on ssh.
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• 23[00:04:46] <ironpillow> hi I am installing debian jessie as domU via debootstrap on Xen 4.6. If I have `size=700M` I am getting an error: `[Errno 2] No such file or directory. Error opening /boot/initrd.img- in guest` But when I set size=1G, it starts fine but out of 976M only 59% is used. any ideas?
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• 26[00:06:06] <[Saint]> ideally, once I know _how_ to spin up a wireless AP in initramfs early boot, then I can implement server and clients agreeing on a random seed for AP credential generation as well.
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• 29[00:06:25] <[Saint]> but I can't for the life of me manage to spin up even a basic wireless connection in early boot.
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• 31[00:06:42] <[Saint]> does anyone know of any documentation for this? my google-fu fails me.
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• 33[00:06:49] <menace> perhaps you could use dracut instead of initramfs-tools?
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• 35[00:07:13] <menace> some drivers are missing in initramfs-tools as far as i know...
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• 68[00:20:47] <aserww> Hey! Is debian Jessie's iceweasel/firefox-esr browser supposed to be now "firefox" (it is in my debian jessie at least)? I thought that it was only rebranded back to firefox in the next version of debian.
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• 77[00:24:57] <awwal> aserww, all fine
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• 82[00:25:35] <awwal> replaced-url
• 83[00:25:36] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 84[00:26:03] <aserww> awwal, okay. The package page in replaced-url
• 85[00:26:38] <[Saint]> out of date, no, deprecated, yes.
• 86[00:26:57] <awwal> aserww, check the bug ^ all is discussed there
• 87[00:27:11] <awwal> also check the changelogs :P
• 88[00:27:21] <aserww> I will, thank you! :)
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• 147[00:55:19] <aaron83> hi there, my openvpn server assign same ip to all client..any help please? replaced-url
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• 225[01:46:49] <_|x|_> hello. I recently tried to build mesa on my own, and ended up being unable to start x. I then manually reinstalled everything, but now my gl string is only 3.0 and i cant rotate with xrandr. I've done some searching but havent come up with anything helpful
• 226[01:46:56] <_|x|_> does anyone offhand understand this?
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• 235[01:48:43] <petn-randall> _|x|_: If you at some point did a 'make install' as root I recommend reinstalling your system.
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• 237[01:49:15] <_|x|_> really? i tracked the installed files and removed them. is that not enough?
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• 244[01:50:27] <petn-randall> _|x|_: Obviously you didn't fully succeed.
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• 247[01:53:44] <MrBar> hello dudes
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• 270[02:06:06] <ironpillow> when doing `ping6 ipv6.google.com` I am getting `connect: Network is unreachable` do I need change any settings?
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• 272[02:07:04] <petn-randall> ironpillow: Do you have ipv6 connectivity?
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• 276[02:08:59] <systempk> Where would an rst2man (generage a manpage from RestructuredText) command fit in a Debian packaging source managed with debhelper?
• 277[02:09:07] <systempk> *generate
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• 280[02:09:34] <ironpillow> petn-randall: just checked it with `replaced-url
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• 282[02:10:19] <ironpillow> do I need to contact my ISP or update settings on my router?
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• 285[02:12:53] <_|x|_> thanks petn-randall
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• 289[02:13:56] <plasmoduck> k
• 290[02:15:34] <tacocat> ironpillow: note that not all isps provide ipv6 access. it might be worth asking them if you're really interested but there's no guarantee it'll work
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• 293[02:16:40] <ironpillow> tacocat: got it. I will contact my ISP.
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• 345[02:24:43] * awwal wondering why my debian system never crashed in almost 4 years :D
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• 358[02:27:36] <awwal> !laugh at non-debian-users
• 359[02:27:36] <dpkg> HAHAHA! AH-HAHA! non-debian-users just cracks me up!
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• 375[02:36:36] <kanzure> p/win 8
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• 379[02:38:17] <Vainglory> is there anything special about debian's apache that i should know about that would give me issues with TLS/SSL?
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• 382[02:40:17] <mutante> what a vague question
• 383[02:40:31] <mutante> Vainglory: do you have issues with TLS?
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• 385[02:41:02] <Vainglory> well, not sure if i do yet. checking cloudflare and what not first
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• 389[02:41:35] <mutante> Vainglory: replaced-url
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• 394[02:41:57] <Vainglory> well, i don't have my ssl setup because SSLEnable On seems to give me an issue
• 395[02:42:03] <Vainglory> so i'm checking everything first
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• 397[02:44:25] <Akuw> actually i have vmlinuz-3.16.0-4-686-pae
• 398[02:44:31] <Vainglory> welp, disregard. it works
• 399[02:44:37] <Vainglory> was an issue with cloudflare
• 400[02:44:45] <Akuw> but blender needs 3.6 or later
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• 406[02:47:42] <Akuw> how can i install 3.6 o later
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• 410[02:48:50] <calebwill> Akuw: 3.16 is later than 3.6
• 411[02:49:29] <Akuw> why blender is requesting later then
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• 417[02:50:26] <calebwill> Akuw: the blender package in jessie (or backports) should have no problem with the jessie kernel
• 418[02:50:49] <Akuw> humm
• 419[02:51:10] <Akuw> i see grug.cfg and have this line initrd /boot/initrd.img-3.2.0-4-686-pae
• 420[02:51:27] <calebwill> Akuw: what does "uname -a" say?
• 421[02:51:28] <Akuw> that is because i upgrade debian from wheeze
• 422[02:51:47] <Akuw> Linux wiki 3.2.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.2.65-1+deb7u2 i686 GNU/Linux
• 423[02:52:11] <calebwill> Akuw: you probably didn't complete the upgrade properly, because you are still using wheezy's kernel, not jessie's.
• 424[02:52:27] <Akuw> humm
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• 426[02:52:58] <Akuw> the i ahve to sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
• 427[02:53:00] <Akuw> ?
• 428[02:53:34] <calebwill> Akuw: you should check the jessie release notes upgrade instructions for what you may have missed: replaced-url
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• 430[02:54:55] <Akuw> ok, reading
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• 450[03:06:44] <flound1129> how do I force nfs version 4.1?
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• 453[03:06:56] <MrKeuner> hi what does dash offer instead of bash's source builtin?
• 454[03:07:14] <flound1129> dash is a stripped down version of bash, standardized for debian, iirc
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• 456[03:07:23] <flound1129> it's more like the original sh
• 457[03:07:29] <MrKeuner> doesn't seem to recognize source...
• 458[03:07:36] <flound1129> oh
• 459[03:07:38] <flound1129> the command?
• 460[03:07:39] <flound1129> tyr .
• 461[03:07:39] <MrKeuner> source: not found
• 462[03:07:41] <flound1129> *try .
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• 465[03:08:01] <MrKeuner> flound1129, do you mean ./ ?
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• 467[03:08:08] <flound1129> $ . /etc/profile
• 468[03:08:11] <flound1129> vs.
• 469[03:08:13] <MrKeuner> ok thanks
• 470[03:08:14] <flound1129> $ source /etc/profile
• 471[03:08:32] <MrKeuner> flound1129, would that work in bash too>?
• 472[03:08:35] <flound1129> yes
• 473[03:08:40] <MrKeuner> great, thanks
• 474[03:08:42] <flound1129> np
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• 503[03:29:42] <Guest83447> Once I (think that I have) fixed the issue in an initramfs shell, how do I tell it to continue the normal boot process?
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• 513[03:31:29] <flound1129> anyone know how to force nfs v4.1?
• 514[03:31:43] <flound1129> on jessie, both server and client running 4.5.0 kernel
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• 586[04:10:27] <p3a> why am i getting secure connection failed on all websites except google.com (using 8.5 and stable iceweasel)
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• 591[04:11:29] <p3a> wait nvm.
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• 593[04:11:58] <p3a> its because im running it as a vm
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• 610[04:22:21] <emma-> hmm
• 611[04:22:32] <emma-> looks like there's no good way to get more recent versions of MATE in jessie-stable
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• 617[04:26:32] <glassresistor> im having an issue updating flash player
• 618[04:27:09] <krav> is there a reasonably non-sucky way to just run a script at boot?
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• 620[04:27:32] <krav> because i don't want a service for a one time script.
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• 623[04:28:42] <zykotick9> krav: is /etc/rc.local "non-sucky"?
• 624[04:28:51] <glassresistor> i run replaced-url
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• 626[04:29:12] <krav> zykotick9: i thought that died with systemd.
• 627[04:29:24] <zykotick9> krav: it's still working in debian
• 628[04:29:28] <krav> woot!
• 629[04:29:36] <krav> that is in fact, non-sucky
• 630[04:30:03] <glassresistor> I literally just removed the .so image and ran install and its still installing .616 instead of .621
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• 691[05:09:39] <Strykar> Hi! Is is possible to upgrade wheezy's OpenSSH to 6.2+? It's currently running "OpenSSH_6.0p1 Debian-4+deb7u4, OpenSSL 1.0.1e 11 Feb 2013"
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• 695[05:11:02] <TomTomTosch> ,v openssh-client
• 696[05:11:03] <judd> Package: openssh-client on amd64 -- squeeze: 1:5.5p1-6+squeeze5; squeeze-security: 1:5.5p1-6+squeeze5; squeeze-security-lts: 1:5.5p1-6+squeeze8; wheezy-security: 1:6.0p1-4+deb7u4; wheezy: 1:6.0p1-4+deb7u4; wheezy-backports: 1:6.6p1-4~bpo70+1; jessie-security: 1:6.7p1-5+deb8u2; jessie: 1:6.7p1-5+deb8u2; stretch: 1:7.2p2-5; sid: 1:7.2p2-5
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• 699[05:11:23] <TomTomTosch> Strykar: wheezy-backports has 6.6 ^
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• 709[05:12:52] <RoyK> Strykar: debian etch?
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• 712[05:14:16] <RoyK> oh - wheezy
• 713[05:14:22] <sceadwian> Anyone had any issues setting up vnc4server on Debian LXDE? I can't seem to get a connection going on my machine.
• 714[05:14:24] <Strykar> TomTomTosch, thank you
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• 721[05:19:12] <jim> brief q... does debian 8 have mate packaged?
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• 723[05:19:27] <Strykar> woot! OpenSSH_6.6.1p1 Debian-4~bpo70+1, OpenSSL 1.0.1e 11 Feb 2013
• 724[05:19:52] <calebwill> jim: yes it's one of the desktops on the tasksel screen in the installer
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• 734[05:25:46] <asterismo> hi
• 735[05:25:50] <asterismo> i have a question
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• 737[05:26:21] <asterismo> i dist-upgraded wheezy to jessie and now LyX cannot compile PDFs, something went broken
• 738[05:26:34] <asterismo> what can i do? reinstalling LyX wont fix the issue
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• 740[05:26:53] <dvs> !release notes
• 741[05:26:54] <dpkg> Release notes for Debian 8 "Jessie" are at replaced-url
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• 751[05:33:36] <jim> how can I get a list of the packages which get (directly) installed from task-sel?
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• 753[05:39:18] <calebwill> jim: tasksel --task-packages <task>
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• 792[05:57:41] <sceadwian> stupid question (been a while since I've run linux) how do I kill X (LXDE) and go straight to a pure command prompt?
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• 798[05:59:13] <calebwill> sceadwian: you don't need to kill anything, you can use ctrl+alt+f1 to go to tty1. it will be alt+f7 (or one of the other F keys) to get back to X
• 799[05:59:38] <sceadwian> yep
• 800[05:59:42] <sceadwian> just figured it out thanks +)
• 801[05:59:47] <sceadwian> I'm more than a little rust.
• 802[05:59:48] <sceadwian> y
• 803[06:00:19] <sceadwian> I do need to kill X though? I'm having issues setting up vnc4server, got time to help with that?
• 804[06:00:45] <calebwill> i don't really know VNC
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• 807[06:01:12] <sceadwian> I can ssh to my machine fine, but I can get vnc working and I really want remote x access
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• 812[06:01:46] <hosiet> try ssh -X as an alternative, if you like
• 813[06:01:52] <RoyK> sceadwian: if you don't need a GUI locally on your box, uninstall the crap
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• 815[06:02:10] <RoyK> sceadwian: it just eats (a wee bit of) resources
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• 817[06:02:35] <RoyK> sceadwian: next time, don't install it in the first place
• 818[06:03:28] <Rusty1> me too sceadwian
• 819[06:03:29] <sceadwian> I'm actually kind of digging screen for remote terminals, anything better than it?
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• 822[06:04:01] <RoyK> sceadwian: ssh?
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• 828[06:04:30] <sceadwian> RoyK: Pardon?
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• 831[06:06:21] <RoyK> remote x isn't about vnc
• 832[06:06:23] <Rusty1> sceadwian: some like tmux instead of sceen
• 833[06:06:46] <RoyK> does tmux support X forward?
• 834[06:07:21] <RoyK> damn - it does :)
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• 840[06:12:32] <sceadwian> I definitly need vnc
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• 844[06:13:25] <calebwill> sceadwian: maybe try xpra
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• 848[06:15:17] <sceadwian> calebwill: the reason for VNC is to be able to access it from android as well. There are a trillion VNC clients
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• 854[06:17:03] <monsterco> Hi everyone - how can I mount an external HDD that I just connected to my debian server?
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• 857[06:17:41] <sceadwian> I'd try mount myself...
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• 859[06:18:15] <cra1g321> create directory for drive to be mounted to, use mount command
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• 863[06:20:33] <monsterco> how can i list it?
• 864[06:20:55] <cra1g321> fdisk -l or blkid
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• 868[06:22:16] <cra1g321> for example my windows drive is /dev/sdc, and the partition on it is /dev/sdc1, so i would do
• 869[06:22:31] <cra1g321> mkdir /mnt/windows then mount -t ntfs /dev/sdc1 /mnt/windows
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• 871[06:22:59] <cra1g321> i dont see how it would be any different for a external HDD
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• 873[06:23:03] <cra1g321> why it*
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• 889[06:34:37] <monsterco> thanks - worked
• 890[06:34:48] <monsterco> how can I know where one of my local vms is mounted? like which directories?
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• 897[06:35:55] <BW^-> emm, does Debian install Gimp by default????????
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• 899[06:36:41] <BW^-> i want "startx", fvwm, the GTK libraries and the like, but no ultrahuge X environment with lots of accessory software! ... how do, should I de-select the "Debian desktop environment" option when I install?
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• 903[06:37:36] <calebwill> BW^-: if you leave "debian desktop environment" selected it will install gnome and some applications including gimp, unless you also select one of the other desktops
• 904[06:37:38] <monsterco> no gimp
• 905[06:37:41] <monsterco> this is proxmox
• 906[06:37:47] <monsterco> I have /dev/dm-0
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• 908[06:38:13] <calebwill> BW^-: leaving it unselected will give you a text login, you can apt-get the packages you want
• 909[06:38:27] <calebwill> dpkg: tell monsterco about proxmox
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• 911[06:38:46] <BW^-> calebwill: which package would it be to get the basic X?
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• 913[06:38:59] <BW^-> like "startx" that kicks me into FVWM or xfce
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• 916[06:39:24] <BW^-> calebwill: yeah I think that is the better way for me to go, just not to get bloat
• 917[06:39:37] <BW^-> I understand Debian by default wants to give you a really generous system setup however it's too much for me.
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• 919[06:39:51] <calebwill> BW^-: personally i'm happy with the gnome desktop from the installer, but installing the package for fvwm should bring in enough of X to use startx
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• 921[06:40:01] <BW^-> aha
• 922[06:40:03] <BW^-> ok
• 923[06:40:12] <BW^-> calebwill: the same if I install xfce?
• 924[06:40:22] <BW^-> so I just skip the "Debian desktop environment" option at installation time, and install packages as I want later?
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• 926[06:40:44] <calebwill> depending on which xfce package you install you may get a graphical Display Manager login
• 927[06:41:03] <BW^-> aha
• 928[06:41:06] <BW^-> mhm
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• 930[06:41:14] <calebwill> BW^-: yes, if you want. if it's a fairly modern computer i wouldn't worry so much about bloat
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• 934[06:43:49] <calebwill> probably only talking a few hundred MB of disk space for the applications that the various desktop tasks install
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• 939[06:47:04] <weilancys> I opened vim within the terminal window and tried to paste in(right click and paste) a very long text I copied from some web page. Vim only received the first part, how do I get to paste the whole text into vim in a terminal?
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• 941[06:47:43] <BW^-> mhm
• 942[06:47:56] <weilancys> Is it an issue related with vim's buffer size or the terminal?
• 943[06:47:58] <BW^-> calebwill: can I see anywhere what's included in the "standard system utilities" and "SSH server" packages?
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• 946[06:48:47] <BW^-> bundles
• 947[06:49:22] <calebwill> BW^-: ssh server is just openssh-server, standard system utils is "aptitude search ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant" (all the packages of priority standard, required, important)
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• 949[06:50:29] <BW^-> ah I see some descriptions in the tasksel documentation
• 950[06:50:45] <BW^-> calebwill: SSH server is *SOLELY* the openssh-server package really?
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• 954[06:52:38] <calebwill> BW^-: it installs the task-ssh-server package that depends on openssh-server and tasksel, and recommends openssh-client
• 955[06:53:02] <BW^-> hm
• 956[06:53:07] <Strykar> ,v pam_duo
• 957[06:53:08] <judd> No package named 'pam_duo' was found in amd64.
• 958[06:53:08] <BW^-> calebwill: where can I dig this stuff out? :)
• 959[06:53:33] <BW^-> calebwill: "and tasksel", what do you mean? tasksel is installed on all systems is it not?
• 960[06:53:35] <calebwill> BW^-: once you have debian installed you can use "tasksel --list-tasks" and "tasksel --task-packages task", and "apt-cache depends" or "apt-cache show" on packages to see dependencies
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• 962[06:53:47] <BW^-> u aha
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• 964[06:54:01] <calebwill> BW^-: task packages depend on tasksel, but tasksel is usually already installed
• 965[06:54:06] <BW^-> calebwill: "apt-cache depends task-ssh-server" and "apt-cache show task-ssh-server" would give me what?
• 966[06:54:10] <BW^-> mhm
• 967[06:54:55] <calebwill> BW^-: general information about a package, or just its dependencies
• 968[06:55:04] <BW^-> ok
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• 971[06:57:03] <BW^-> calebwill: what do you mean by that tasksel is "usually" installed?
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• 977[06:58:14] <calebwill> BW^-: it might not be installed if "standard system utils" is not selected
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• 981[06:59:03] <awwal> How things are done regarding grub(s) and kernel(s) when dualbooting 2 debian systems releases i386 (linux pae) and amd64?
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• 985[06:59:57] <awwal> I mean same release but 2 different arch in dual boot
• 986[07:00:08] <BW^-> calebwill: wait, if I not installed "standard system utilities" so I don't get "tasksel", I can still do "aptitude install tasksel" later right?
• 987[07:00:35] <calebwill> BW^-: yes, but i don't see any good reason not to install standard system utilities
• 988[07:00:38] <BW^-> calebwill: aha indeed "SSH server" is really lightweight replaced-url
• 989[07:00:53] <BW^-> calebwill: it's slightly bloated maybe, I guess they will pop in as dependencies to other things
• 990[07:01:25] <npo> could anyone help me figure out some font rendering issue i'm having? my machine renders many fonts really choppy/blocky/jaggedly, both in terminal and in firefox/chrome. currently playing with Cousine (a fixed width font). what are some possible causes?
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• 994[07:04:02] <BW^-> or.. ok i'll take it.
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• 997[07:04:46] <awwal> I know that only one grub can handle the machine. I dont understand why initramfs and grub give me errors about vmlinuz (not sure about the exact output) when upgrading the kernel. It happens in the first arch installed /i386), and the new kernel is not loaded at boot. After upgrading the kernel in the second arch (amd64) i386 loads correctly the new kernel. Any clue?
• 998[07:05:01] <BW^-> calebwill: thanks for clarifying!
• 999[07:05:09] <calebwill> BW^-: replaced-url
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• 1008[07:08:19] <calebwill> BW^-: keep in mind some of the stuff on that list will be installed even with standard utils deselected
• 1009[07:08:23] <awwal> Excuses, I get same error about simlink , vmlinuz and I no remember what more when upgrading the kernelof the amd arch. Things are solved (both new kernels are loaded at boot only if I execute manually update-initrafms -u followed by update-grub
• 1010[07:08:51] <awwal> in the amd64 system ^
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• 1013[07:10:25] <calebwill> awwal: i haven't attempted dual booting since virtualization got relatively easy, but how are your grub(s) arranged? is one on the MBR and the other on a partition, or both on different physical drivers?
• 1014[07:10:31] <npo> how does one go about reloading ~/.fonts.conf ? Do I have to do a dpkg-reconfigure?
• 1015[07:11:03] <awwal> celebwill, both en /dev/sda :P
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• 1017[07:13:00] <awwal> not really sure about that, being a novice :P I just told to the installer to put the grub in /dev/sda, for both systems ;)
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• 1019[07:15:39] <calebwill> awwal: sounds like a situationw where two installs are writing over each other's grubs
• 1020[07:16:06] <awwal> both in the mbr for sure, but no clue how things are done exactly being both grubs and both kernels same version but different arch :)
• 1021[07:16:19] <awwal> celebwill, seems yeah
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• 1023[07:17:34] <calebwill> awwal: are you booting with BIOS or UEFI? i would try changing the grub config for one of them to install grub on its own /boot partition
• 1024[07:17:56] <calebwill> the "primary grub" should find the other debian install with os-prober (i imagine)
• 1025[07:17:59] <awwal> celebwill, bios
• 1026[07:19:27] <awwal> both grubs find each other, no problem in that side
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• 1028[07:19:55] <calebwill> awwal: what i'm saying is let one grub live on the MBR, put the other one somewhere else
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• 1030[07:20:26] <awwal> celebwill, somewhere where?
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• 1032[07:20:57] <calebwill> awwal: check "debconf-show grub-pc" there should be a debconf knob about the grub install device
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• 1034[07:22:29] <awwal> calebwill, will look at that ok
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• 1037[07:23:08] <calebwill> awwal: debconf-show is one way to check what questions "dpkg-reconfigure" can ask about a package
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• 1042[07:25:23] <awwal> calebwill, no clue about debconf stuff but nice will check it and learn a bit :P
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• 1045[07:27:15] <ataldis> I have a problem with my front panel audio. Sometimes I turn the computer on and it's glitchy... I can't seem to get it working properly without rebooting (a couple of times)
• 1046[07:28:00] <awwal> i386 in dev sda1 (primary), sda2 amd 64 and sda3 shared grub. wondering where to move one of the two grubs if any :P
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• 1049[07:28:49] <ataldis> I have headphones in front panel and standard speakers in back jack... the speakers always work fine. I have it configured so that both always reproduce the sound and only headphone comes out glitchy... any tips on diagnosing?
• 1050[07:28:53] <awwal> all is working fine here, anyway :P
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• 1056[07:32:47] <awwal> calebwill, lazy to switch the whole system from i386 to amd64, so I decided to install amd 64 alongside the 32bit system. when I have more time I'll reinstall with only amd64...
• 1057[07:33:19] <awwal> and copy all the old configs
• 1058[07:33:56] <calebwill> awwal: installing an amd64 kernel and enabling multi-arch would have lets you lazily install amd64 packages one at a time as needed
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• 1062[07:37:08] <darxmurf> hi all
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• 1065[07:37:47] <awwal> calebwill, tried that in another machine but things has gone wrong bcos of incompatibility of some libraries 32bit/amd64, libc stuff almost
• 1066[07:39:45] <darxmurf> anybody using bacula or bareos here ?
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• 1068[07:41:36] <rnd_> morning ^^
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• 1070[07:42:20] <BW^-> calebwill: Thanks again for that you helped to clarify!! Have a great weekend! :D
• 1071[07:42:42] <calebwill> BW^-: cheers you too :)
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• 1073[07:42:45] <BW^-> :D
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• 1079[07:46:27] <rnd_> yea its friday today...i forgot
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• 1089[07:53:54] <iSlayWyverns> Good morning everyone. I've downloaded and copied Debian 8.5 on a USB thumb-drive - problem is, it doesn't seem to detect (or better say, enable?) My USB-Wifi
• 1090[07:54:41] <iSlayWyverns> It says something about a non-free driver? And If I got it on my usb - otherwise continue the installation. But I don't have it...
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• 1097[08:00:41] <themill> iSlayWyverns: can you complete the installation using wired ethernet?
• 1098[08:01:19] <awwal> calebwill, if I remember good the big issue I had when i installed amd kernel in my i386 system is the incompatibility of binutils:i386 and binutils:amd64 (cant be installed both), required by a few pkgs like chromium ...
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• 1100[08:03:15] <awwal> chromiumamd64 needs binutils amd64 and all other 32bit pkgs requires binutils:i386, dpkg, apt and aptitude have gave up :P
• 1101[08:03:42] <awwal> me too :D
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• 1103[08:04:17] <iSlayWyverns> themill, I can... if I move my Router on this room.
• 1104[08:04:51] <themill> iSlayWyverns: that will be easiest; alternatively, you can put the firmware required on another usb stick and continue on wireless
• 1105[08:05:35] <iSlayWyverns> themill, where could I find the firmware? Manufacturers website? or Debian site?
• 1106[08:06:09] <darxmurf> iSlayWyverns if you have an exotic wifi adapter it will be funky
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• 1109[08:06:52] <iSlayWyverns> darxmurf, define exotic, lol. It's a Zyxel one.
• 1110[08:06:59] <darxmurf> you can probably find that in the non-free repository but it depends the brand
• 1111[08:07:01] <darxmurf> ah ok :)
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• 1113[08:07:16] <BW^-_> all debians up to wheezy made tons of console output at boot
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• 1115[08:07:24] <BW^-_> the new one just makes an fsck result output that's all
• 1116[08:07:26] <BW^-_> change of strategy??
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• 1119[08:08:22] <darxmurf> iSlayWyverns: do you know the chip type of your zyxel adapter ?
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• 1121[08:08:32] <darxmurf> or the model
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• 1124[08:08:55] <iSlayWyverns> replaced-url
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• 1127[08:09:49] <iSlayWyverns> darxmurf, to answer directly to the question 'Zyxel NWD271N' xD
• 1128[08:09:51] <Drzacek> Hello. I have problem with my debian system. The system starts by default to console and I have to startx each time, which I don't like. When I startx, the broken plasma-desktop loads (can't set panels right). I was wondering if someone could help me set gui, dm and all that stuff right
• 1129[08:10:09] <darxmurf> looks like it's an atheros chip
• 1130[08:10:12] <Drzacek> I am open for alternatives to KDE (besides GNOME)
• 1131[08:10:19] <iSlayWyverns> yeap, atheros
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• 1134[08:11:55] <darxmurf> iSlayWyverns: replaced-url
• 1135[08:12:21] <darxmurf> or maybe get the firmware-atheros package
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• 1138[08:13:24] <darxmurf> ,firmware-atheros
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• 1140[08:14:06] <darxmurf> how does this bot works :D
• 1141[08:14:19] <awwal> ,v pkg
• 1142[08:14:20] <judd> No package named 'pkg' was found in amd64.
• 1143[08:14:26] <darxmurf> sweet thanks
• 1144[08:14:31] <darxmurf> ,v firmware-atheros
• 1145[08:14:32] <judd> Package: firmware-atheros on amd64 -- squeeze/non-free: 0.28+squeeze1; squeeze-backports/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1~bpo60+1; wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 0.43~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 0.43; jessie-backports/non-free: 20160110-1~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 20160110-1; sid/non-free: 20160110-1
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• 1149[08:15:57] <themill> might be worth double checking that's the correct driver
• 1150[08:16:16] <themill> iSlayWyverns: what did the installer tell you about the firmware that was missing?
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• 1153[08:17:02] <iSlayWyverns> themill, about a missing non-free driver, i i remember correctly - and a model number?
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• 1156[08:17:33] <BW^-_> is there any benefit in "aptitude install" vs. "apt-get install"?
• 1157[08:17:48] <themill> iSlayWyverns: additional details would be handy
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• 1160[08:18:36] <themill> BW^-_: not really; aptitude cleans up after itself whereas apt-get lets you do it yourself when it comes to later removing packages; sometimes aptitude will find solutions when apt-get will not
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• 1162[08:19:05] <BW^-_> aha
• 1163[08:19:16] <BW^-_> themill: so aptitude is to be generally preferred then - ok, thanks!
• 1164[08:19:50] <iSlayWyverns> themill, I guess I'll just bring the router here - easiest solution... install base system & de then install the driver
• 1165[08:20:40] <BW^-_> what's the recommended way to make "g++" go to "g++-4.8" by default?
• 1166[08:20:45] <BW^-_> aptitude install -y g++-4.8 just gives you a g++-4.8 binary
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• 1168[08:20:54] <iSlayWyverns> or I'll try again i a while (couple hours) and report back
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• 1171[08:22:33] <darxmurf> iSlayWyverns: or take a long eth cable :)
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• 1173[08:23:40] <themill> iSlayWyverns: the netinst image with firmware already on it might help
• 1174[08:23:47] <themill> !firmware iso
• 1175[08:23:47] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from replaced-url
• 1176[08:23:51] <iSlayWyverns> darxmurf, got one, but it's not nice to look at. Could use it for one-time-thing though.
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• 1178[08:24:49] <BW^-_> how do I see in what package "startx" is located?
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• 1180[08:24:59] <themill> BW^-_: any makefile that doesn't let you do that with an environment variable is a tad broken
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• 1182[08:25:23] <BW^-_> mhm
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• 1188[08:27:36] <darxmurf> iSlayWyverns: yep but only for the installation
• 1189[08:27:46] <darxmurf> then config the wifi and remove the cable :)
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• 1194[08:28:36] <iSlayWyverns> I'll take some more sleep first & come back, thx for the tips!
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• 1207[08:32:46] <darxmurf> sleeping is cheating !
• 1208[08:32:47] <darxmurf> :D
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• 1214[08:35:39] <ataldis> I have debian jessie 8.5 here on a H97-PRO GAMER. Sometimes I boot up and the audio from front panel is glitchy. I have auto-mute turned off, and sound comes fine from speakers (connected to back), only the headphone is glitchy (distorted). I can't get it working without rebooting the system (sometimes a couple of times until it's working again). Hardware is fine, never had any problems with ubuntu or
• 1215[08:35:41] <ataldis> windows. Kernel driver in use is snd_hda_intel. Any tips on diagnosing?
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• 1219[08:39:37] <towo^work> ataldis, which kernel version you use?
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• 1226[08:43:17] <ataldis> towo^work: 3.16.0-4-amd64
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• 1231[08:46:34] <Strykar> ,v libpam-duo
• 1232[08:46:35] <judd> Package: libpam-duo on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.8.1-1~deb7u1; jessie: 1.9.11-1; sid: 1.9.11-1+b1; stretch: 1.9.11-1+b1
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• 1258[08:58:55] <tor> Hi, is there any way to get dbconfig-common to globally use an admin password when configuring packages. Such as my.cnf or alike for mysql?
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• 1260[09:00:34] <tor> It seems to me that the only way to get around having to manually enter the information is to pre-seed debconf on a package to package basis :|
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• 1265[09:01:35] <darxmurf> still nobody to help with bareos or bacula ? :-)
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• 1305[09:25:24] <halt> Hi guys, I have a diff related question, sounds simple but few ours of googleing tell me it's not that simple, I want to compare two file with this which companied file size is bigger then the available memory
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• 1326[09:36:44] <Arone> tgif ?
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• 1331[09:40:13] <Walex> halt: 'man diff' has the answer :-)
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• 1337[09:43:17] <Walex> darxmurf: if nobody answers you have to repeat the *whole question*, as new people join, stuff scrolls away. Of course don't repeat it that often :-)
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• 1339[09:45:00] <darxmurf> yep I know :-)
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• 1378[10:00:39] <halt> Walex: well I started there, believe it or not I read it first before ask, but if you think I missed something please tell me that are you trying to refer to,. if you thing the --speed-large-files option then I can tell you that does not changed anything
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• 1408[10:19:37] <iSlayWyverns> While net-installing Deb. can u also choose Kernel version? eg 4.4 ?
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• 1414[10:23:35] <bazhang> iSlayWyverns, what deb
• 1415[10:23:44] <iSlayWyverns> 8.x
• 1416[10:23:56] <bazhang> thats debian not deb
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• 1418[10:24:38] <bazhang> iSlayWyverns, what version did you need
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• 1423[10:26:44] <iSlayWyverns> bazhang, preferably 4.4
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• 1425[10:28:30] <SweetKatya> hi. would someone please give a solution to what is happening in this video? replaced-url
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• 1430[10:32:28] <iSlayWyverns> Anyway, off to try it out!
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• 1432[10:33:23] <bazhang> SweetKatya, giving a synopsis of the issue is better than a youtube link
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• 1440[10:36:34] <SweetKatya> bazhang, the youtube is what best describes it because it involves graphics.
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• 1443[10:38:25] <bazhang> SweetKatya, to get support you should always state the issue in the channel, not give some random yt link
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• 1469[10:50:46] <jelly> !ask
• 1470[10:50:46] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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• 1478[10:52:18] <Drzacek> I did some updates (dist-upgrade to testing) and installed gcc5 (earlier 4.9). Now when I compile my project I get error, that cstddef is missing
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• 1480[10:53:44] <Cosmos82> Drzacek: testing support is in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
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• 1494[10:59:04] <xstation> I am trying to install wifi on debian 8 mate I got the package but i think one file file is missing rtl8821aefw_wowlan.bin? here is a pastebin replaced-url
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• 1540[11:17:06] <live> hello
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• 1542[11:18:04] <Arone> tgif ?
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• 1566[11:39:00] <SweetKatya> hi. would someone please give a solution to what is happening in this video? my screen is scrambled replaced-url
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• 1571[11:41:07] <Nik05> SweetKatya what videocard and drivers-?
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• 1578[11:45:43] <SweetKatya> Nik05, 01:00.1 VGA compatible controller: Matrox Electronics Systems Ltd. MGA G200EH (rev 01)
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• 1580[11:46:09] <SweetKatya> I am also looking here: replaced-url
• 1581[11:46:17] <SweetKatya> this is an old card
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• 1583[11:46:32] <SweetKatya> it comes with my hp server
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• 1585[11:47:48] <majorshake> I'm trying to reinstall nginx via apt and it's not creating new configuration files in etc.
• 1586[11:48:22] <majorshake> Any idea why apt wouldn't recreate them? (I deleted the /etc/nginx folder manually after removing nginx)
• 1587[11:48:28] <pmarkoulidakis> did you try to use dpkg-reconfigure?
• 1588[11:48:48] <majorshake> No effect.
• 1589[11:49:02] <majorshake> It just creates the directories (config.d, sites-available, sites-enabled)
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• 1593[11:52:16] <pmarkoulidakis> try to purge the package and reinstall
• 1594[11:52:23] <majorshake> I found this on stackoverflow, which would only work if exected from my home directory
• 1595[11:52:26] <majorshake> sudo dpkg --force-confmiss -i /var/cache/apt/archives/nginx-common_*.deb
• 1596[11:52:43] <majorshake> executed*
• 1597[11:52:53] <majorshake> that seems to have fixed it
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• 1599[11:53:29] <pmarkoulidakis> aptitude install -o Dpkg::Options::=--force-confmiss nginx
• 1600[11:53:49] <pmarkoulidakis> Glad you fixed it :)
• 1601[11:53:56] <majorshake> So am I :)
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• 1617[12:01:10] <BW^-> I have the "linux-libc-dev" installed. and I have a /usr/include/errno.h file .
• 1618[12:01:11] <BW^-> umm
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• 1620[12:01:23] <BW^-> do I need to install anything particular for g++ to be able to output binaries??
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• 1629[12:05:56] <inch> build-essential
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• 1632[12:06:38] <BW^-> fixed
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• 1634[12:06:58] <BW^-> inch: I had given broken arguments to g++ , that was the comical reason for the ./configure error re header files
• 1635[12:07:21] <inch> Hmm, build-essential was wrong answer.
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• 1639[12:07:59] <inch> But installing it seems to conveniently pull packages so that compiling c/c++ works.
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• 1691[12:29:18] <Hansp> hello all, i have a (maybe) stupid question, i am running an install on debian from openmediavault and apparently i installed i386 by mistake ... is it possible in anyway ( easy if possible ) to change it to amd64 ??
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• 1696[12:32:30] <TEXM> Hansp, Reinstall
• 1697[12:32:38] <Hansp> i guessed that
• 1698[12:32:41] <Hansp> damned :)
• 1699[12:32:41] <towo^work> Hansp, no, its not easy to change to amd64
• 1700[12:32:43] <TEXM> yup
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• 1702[12:32:48] <Hansp> well yeah
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• 1704[12:33:03] <Hansp> NAS has been working for 2years now and i want to add something witch seems impossible due to i386 structure
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• 1707[12:33:26] <Hansp> i'll apt-get my way to the attic then :)
• 1708[12:33:26] <Hansp> thanks
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• 1710[12:33:52] <TEXM> You may be able to Only Reinstall /root and leave your /hpme alone and Preserve your DATA
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• 1712[12:34:03] <Hansp> how can i do that ?
• 1713[12:34:30] <TEXM> When you reinstall, just don't Format your /home directory
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• 1715[12:34:43] <TEXM> Your data will remain,
• 1716[12:34:45] <Hansp> oh k
• 1717[12:34:47] <Hansp> will check it out
• 1718[12:34:56] <TEXM> Take your time...
• 1719[12:34:59] <Hansp> if it doesnt work, i backed up the entire OS drive
• 1720[12:35:08] <Hansp> so prolly i can copy it all back in i guess ?
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• 1723[12:35:29] <TEXM> well I said that ASSUMING you have Seperate /root /swap /home Partitions
• 1724[12:35:36] <Hansp> no clue
• 1725[12:35:54] <Hansp> prolly NO since this was my first linux experience
• 1726[12:35:55] <TEXM> there is an Option for that, it is Better...
• 1727[12:37:10] <TEXM> Look at ALL of the Options before you Choose ANY...you will see the Option for Separate /root/ /swap /home and even /var
• 1728[12:37:34] <TEXM> If you have everything backed up you have nothing to worry about
• 1729[12:37:58] <Hansp> ok
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• 1731[12:38:02] <Hansp> thanks
• 1732[12:38:24] <TEXM> Your Welcome
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• 1738[12:40:43] <madrik> I never figured to ask because I haven't done it any other way: can I install Debian in an existing encrypted LVM setup?
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• 1748[12:46:37] <TEXM> madrik, Unless you have a Really Good Reason to Encrypt your Drives, I would recommend Moving away from that as if you are to forget your Password or it become Corrupted....You will no longer be able to Access that Drive and there are many other things Hindered by Encrypted Drives.
• 1749[12:47:18] <TEXM> I would believe you CAN Install Debian on an Encrypted Drive but Again Iwould Advise you Against it unless it is Really Necessary.
• 1750[12:47:50] <madrik> Okay, I get that. Emphasis noted.
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• 1752[12:48:21] <madrik> I was just following what the EFF said a while back about always encrypting your disks, especially on laptops.
• 1753[12:48:46] <madrik> I understand there's a performance hit as well.
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• 1759[12:51:00] <madrik> Does the Debian installer facilitate this? I couldn't see a selectable option as I saw in Anaconda (Fedora), and I'm told, also in OpenSUSE.
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• 1783[12:56:21] <mangas> madrik: I don't remember from the top of my head where but I'm pretty sure you can do that from the installer. I always have my drives encrypted. You might need to do the custom partitioning though ( I really can't remember)
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• 1788[12:57:45] <mangas> madrik: you can always get the installer on a USB drive and look for that without making changes to your system, or just download the iso and try it on virtualbox
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• 1790[12:57:55] <madrik> mangas: I haven't seen it either in 7 or in 8.
• 1791[12:58:12] <madrik> mangas: Do you have AES-NI in your CPU?
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• 1801[13:08:33] <Iridos> madrik, I guess you could put it into an existing lvm... but that means much more fiddling, because you have to make sure the relevant parts (if any) needed are in initramfs
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• 1805[13:09:15] <Iridos> madrik, I used the installer option for encrypted lvm on the work desktop and my laptop and have had zero problems with it so far
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• 1810[13:09:51] <Iridos> no idea, though, what might happen when a disk gets faulty sectors...
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• 1814[13:11:20] <Iridos> but I don't think the installer would detect an existing encrypted drive (well, try it and see) ... so that would have to be an intsall from another linux system with debootstrap
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• 1816[13:12:22] <Iridos> it's surely possible, but with a factor of 2 to 100 more effort (depending on how much you have to learn) because you have to do things the installer would do for you yourself
• 1817[13:12:30] <leetcool> i want to create a custom distro based on debian, please gimme a few keywords to search for. i want all the images like images on installer and everything to change. i'll make the graphics by myself but i don't know how to proceed
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• 1820[13:13:28] <Iridos> "images"? like graphics or like iso-images
• 1821[13:14:07] <madrik> tridos: Does SMART have issues with encryption?
• 1822[13:14:37] <Iridos> huh? why should it?
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• 1828[13:16:07] <Iridos> why should smart care what the content written to disk is
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• 1830[13:16:11] <leetcool> i mean in that distro i want to update all the( graphical ) images by my own stuff
• 1831[13:16:33] <madrik> Iridos: you said "no idea, though, what might happen when a disk gets faulty sectors..."
• 1832[13:16:47] <madrik> Did you mean in the context of a cold boot?
• 1833[13:17:16] <Iridos> I mean ... a sector goes missing on the disk or the data is corrupted
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• 1836[13:17:48] <Iridos> and I haven't ever looked how the encryption is done
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• 1838[13:18:07] <Iridos> so how big are encrypted chunks (which aren't even on the physical disk, but on lvm)
• 1839[13:18:20] <vlt> madrik: i do this all the time. I have LVM on LUKS on RAID. Just make sure /sbin/cryptsetup is available in initramfs, otherwise you’re locked out and need to boot something to boot from USB.
• 1840[13:18:38] <Iridos> and hence, how much more data is affected because of encryption
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• 1844[13:19:23] <grohne> hi. it seems that DSA-3600-1 (firefox) breaks extensions here. is that a generally known problem or some local breakage?
• 1845[13:19:25] <vlt> madrik: SMART doesn’t care. For the disk it’s always just bytes.
• 1846[13:19:32] <Iridos> also, can small(ish) parts of the disk get corrupted that make reading the whole disk impossible... to a bigger extent than before (if partition tables or so were corrputed that was always problematic)
• 1847[13:20:08] <Iridos> and I guess in principle the impact of encryption on such failures should be pretty low...
• 1848[13:20:35] <Iridos> but I thankfully didn't have such failures, and so I really don't know if that's correct
• 1849[13:21:59] <vlt> I don’t think what Iridos said about encryption and disk failure is accurate.
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• 1851[13:24:00] <vlt> There’s no higher propability that files in a corrupted file system aren’t readable when saif file system is coincedentally on an encrypted block device.
• 1852[13:24:07] <vlt> *said
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• 1861[13:30:23] <madrik> Where can I find out which release of Gnome will be supported in 9?
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• 1866[13:32:43] <Iridos> vlt, but that's what I said...
• 1867[13:33:26] <Iridos> you're not supposed to say you disagree, then repeat pretty much the same
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• 1880[13:37:33] <sypher> Iridos: From by brief review of the conversation, what vlt said is correct. In any commonly-used disk encryption scheme, the contents of an encrypted block aren't dependent on prior blocks. If they were, you'd have to read the entirety of a disk up to file X every time you wanted to read file X.
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• 1883[13:39:47] <Tsutsukakushi> is there a list of what the different things for the first column in the output of `dpkg -l` mean?
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• 1886[13:40:33] <sypher> Tsutsukakushi: It's detailed in the header of the output itself.
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• 1889[13:41:15] <Tsutsukakushi> ah
• 1890[13:41:21] <TEXM> My Bottom line was that IF you are Realtively NEW and Do Not Fully Understand HOW to Recover Your Data or Access to Your Drive upon some type of Failure, I recommended Not Encrypting a Drive at All. Now anyone can Do Anything They Choose...but when it comes Back to Haunt You, Remember that you were Warned.
• 1891[13:41:23] <Tsutsukakushi> guess i never saw the header
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• 1893[13:41:28] <Tsutsukakushi> since the output is so long
• 1894[13:41:39] <Tsutsukakushi> you only really see it if you | head
• 1895[13:41:54] <MaxLanar2> Hi. Are you aware of a FLOSS offline website builder available for debian ? After hours of crawling the web I can't find nothing...
• 1896[13:42:13] <jelly> MaxLanar2: like, a static site compiler?
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• 1898[13:42:42] <sypher> TEXM: I recommend not capitalizing random words in what you say, because it makes it hard to read. Also, bad logic. If you don't know how to recover data, then it being encrypted or not isn't your problem.
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• 1901[13:43:05] <MaxLanar2> jelly : something like that yes
• 1902[13:43:39] <Iridos> sypher, yes... that's what I think. If you note, I said I think the impact should be low... but that I haven't had problems, so I cannot really say this is true for every aspect
• 1903[13:43:40] <MaxLanar2> jelly : I need to build a somehow simple website
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• 1905[13:44:40] <sypher> Iridos: I'm not sharing an opinion, I'm actually answering your question on a technical level. :) The encryption modes used for on-disk data are not dependent on prior blocks. If you have a disk sector go bad, the effect is the same as for a non-encrypted disk.
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• 1908[13:45:34] <TEXM> sypher, ALL lowercase Strains my eyes....so get over it. To each his own...and My conversation was to NEWBIES....so Yes your Correct with your last sentence. I was not addressing Seasoned Users...
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• 1911[13:46:13] <Hansp> TEXM: unfortunatly i cannot restore any backup config for a few plugins :(
• 1912[13:46:15] <sypher> TEXM: Newbies don't know how to recover data from any system, encrypted or not, so again, bad logic.
• 1913[13:46:23] <Hansp> different in this version
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• 1915[13:46:47] <Hansp> but hey ... it's fun to rebuild :D
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• 1918[13:47:23] <TEXM> sypher, well it would be a whole lot easier to Recover Data from an Unencrypted Drive than an Encrypted Drive wouldn't you agree?
• 1919[13:47:42] <Hansp> whats the point of encrypting then :D
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• 1924[13:49:10] <Ticho> if you don't have the encryption key to the drive, you have no business recovering data from it :)
• 1925[13:49:37] <pmarkoulidakis> 3:) :D
• 1926[13:49:51] <MaxLanar2> jelly: But I'm willing to learn "web stuff" as it may not be the only site I will build/manage. Do you think I should learn html/etc and hand-write my web site (I already know emacs so I have a good editor, that is a good start) ? I'm taking any suggestion :) (I'm a big noob concerning web stuff)
• 1927[13:50:02] <TEXM> Encryption has it's use, but I believe you need to fully understand What your doing before you Encrypt your Drive and then forget a password or corrupt it with an Upgrade and then Unable to Recover. I am advising New Users to understand What the Implications are and for them to Understand HOW to Recover from a Corrupted Encrypted Drive before they Encrypt their drive.
• 1928[13:50:02] <sypher> Iridos: dm-crypt uses AES-XTS, a non-dependent operating mode of AES. See also replaced-url
• 1929[13:50:08] <sypher> Apologies for the long link.
• 1930[13:51:02] <MaxLanar2> TEXM: Encryption or not : nothing worth a good backup system !
• 1931[13:51:20] <TEXM> The Other thing about Encryption, it only Keeps Everyday People out of your Data, if your on the Internet, your Data is already PUBLIC...so get over it.
• 1932[13:51:28] <Iridos> there's still an lvm layer in between... which probably doesn't change that
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• 1934[13:51:38] <TEXM> MaxLanar2, True Max.
• 1935[13:51:39] <Iridos> but have you had sector failures on a disk set up that way?
• 1936[13:51:45] <sypher> Iridos: No, it does not, and yes, I have.
• 1937[13:52:08] <sypher> Iridos: Again, this is simply a fact of how it's implemented. Not really an experience-based response, just the tech data.
• 1938[13:52:30] <Iridos> I find actual experience more convincing than walking off all the links of a complex set-up
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• 1940[13:54:06] <Iridos> and things often look simpler than the actual implementation is
• 1941[13:54:21] <TEXM> I see people (New People to Linux) all the time who have encrypted their drives and then can't get back into them. They then come to the Help Channel asking for the Miracle Key to get back in their Encrypted Drive they Crashed.....
• 1942[13:54:22] <sypher> Iridos: The solution is what it is. You're not the first person to have these questions, which is why the solution is built in this manner. I'm telling you how it works, if you want experience then feel free to build a VM that matches your desired deployment, and use DD to zero/random out a random sector in the middle of the LVM partition and see how it behaves.
• 1943[13:54:24] <Iridos> don't tell me you've reviewed the crypt code and the lvm code and and and all line by line
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• 1945[13:55:28] <sypher> Iridos: If that's your criteria, have you read through the entire Linux kernel code line by line? ext4? The TCP/IP stack? The base command set?
• 1946[13:56:13] <sypher> Iridos: Do your own research to satisfy your curiosity. You've gotten the answer you're going to get here: How dmcrypt functions.
• 1947[13:56:21] <Iridos> that's not my "criteria", whatever that means, that's my reason why I say it's speculation until you've seen how it really behaves
• 1948[13:56:28] <Iridos> and I don't think we're going anywhere with this
• 1949[13:56:39] <Iridos> sypher, I didn't even fucking ask the question
• 1950[13:56:41] <sypher> Iridos: No, we're not, because that's utter nonsense.
• 1951[13:56:59] <Iridos> and if you checked your facts as carefully as your backlog...
• 1952[13:57:41] <Iridos> I answered the question saying I haven't seen any problems with those setups, but I haven't really had a lot of shit hit me
• 1953[13:58:07] <Iridos> and I don't know what issue you have with that answer
• 1954[13:58:29] <Iridos> you could just add to it without creating contradictions that don't exist
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• 1958[13:59:14] <sypher> Iridos: The notion that I am "speculating" about the function and mechanisms of dmcrypt without reading the code is moronic. I'm probably more aware of its internal workings than most, but you wanted to be a jerk about it. So, Google's there, have fun.
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• 1961[14:00:38] <Iridos> I feel you wanted to be a jerk about it
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• 1963[14:00:42] <Iridos> so maybe we leave it at that
• 1964[14:00:49] <jelly> MaxLanar2: I'd try asking in #web
• 1965[14:01:26] <MaxLanar2> jelly: tanks for the suggestion, I will do that :)
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• 1978[14:09:29] <zuzzas> Hey, guys. How do you monitor config file changes on hosts after an update (assuming a lot of said hosts)? For example, on Debian system, there is a "conffile" mechanism, that'll create a new file that ends in ".dpkg-new". How do you monitor such changes by package maintainers on a large scale?
• 1979[14:10:08] <jonas2> I'm hoping to install libnet-ssleay-perl on a production box that runs squeeze. Is there somewhere I can grab the deb? Are there mirrors for squeeze still around?
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• 1983[14:13:29] <sypher> zuzzas: You might create a hash sum file of your config directory/directories, then check against said file post-updates. It has the advantage of being easily scriptable.
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• 1990[14:16:36] <zuzzas> sypher: a guy on #ansible already proposed a solution: just create a cananary host for all you configurations. If something wrong happens: act before issuing an update on a horde of VM's.
• 1991[14:16:46] <zuzzas> sypher: thank you anyways!
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• 1996[14:17:37] <vlt> Iridos: Yes, you were right. I didn’t understand that you were basically saying the same the first time I read your sentences.
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• 2007[14:22:54] <Includes08> is someone willing to help me with ispconfig
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• 2050[14:38:35] <DammitJim> if I sudo to become another user: sudo su - otheruser
• 2051[14:39:05] <DammitJim> and I want to edit a file that is not owned by this user, is there a way to sudo vi filename.txt
• 2052[14:39:11] <DammitJim> but not have the system ask me for a password for that user?
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• 2061[14:41:01] <xai> DammitJim: You mean "NOPASSWD" to /etc/sudoers?
• 2062[14:41:18] <DammitJim> no, I mean, I already supplied my password when I became that user
• 2063[14:41:37] <DammitJim> maybe there is a way I need to become that user, but still keep sudo privileges?
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• 2065[14:42:15] <xai> Seems my English skill are to weak to understand the task =\
• 2066[14:42:23] <xai> * skills
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• 2074[14:45:58] <somiaj> DammitJim: you would have to configure sudo to allow that. Maybe step back and think what you really want to achive. Are you 'su -' this other user for the sole purpose of editing a file?
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• 2076[14:46:08] <mangas> DammitJim: if you switch to the user you switch to the user, you could add the exact vi command to sudoers or maybe you want to rely on the group ownership rather than user ownership
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• 2083[14:48:16] <mangas> you should also be able to do something like sudo -u user vi file
• 2084[14:48:32] <xai> mangas: What he means by "keep sudo privileges"? He means "to preserve root privileges"?
• 2085[14:48:43] <mangas> I think so
• 2086[14:48:54] <DammitJim> I meant
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• 2088[14:49:06] <DammitJim> I, dammitjim, already have sudo
• 2089[14:49:08] <At> hi there
• 2090[14:49:12] <xai> mangas: Well, he can preserve capabilities to get full FS access :)
• 2091[14:49:13] <DammitJim> when I become anotheruser
• 2092[14:49:25] <DammitJim> can I keep my sudo privileges as I did when I was dammitjim
• 2093[14:49:34] <mangas> xai: that was my suggestion when I said rely on the group perms
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• 2096[14:49:52] <xai> DammitJim: Why just don't press ctrl+d?
• 2097[14:49:59] <DammitJim> what's that?
• 2098[14:50:02] <mangas> DammitJim: to my knowledge the short answer is no
• 2099[14:50:06] <xai> DammitJim: It's a logout
• 2100[14:50:08] <DammitJim> mangas, no problem
• 2101[14:50:12] <mangas> you will be acting as the new user
• 2102[14:50:13] <DammitJim> just wondering if there is a way
• 2103[14:50:16] <mangas> you sudo'd into
• 2104[14:50:24] <At> As my nickname says, I am trying to use "at" command in a shell script called via xinetd. But command is never executed. Is there something like tty lost or I don't know what ? Thank you.
• 2105[14:50:36] <mangas> but from what you're saying I think you are trying to kill a fly with a canon
• 2106[14:50:55] <DammitJim> I'm trying to help a developer who is lazy enough (like me) and doesn't want to exit, become himself again and then give user:group privileges to the file he edited
• 2107[14:51:28] <c0mrad3> I need help with dns, I added nameserver 8.8.8.8, nameserver 8.8.4.4 in /etc/resolv.conf now if I remove those lines I am not able to access internet, how to fix it
• 2108[14:51:41] <somiaj> DammitJim: when you become another user, you become that user and get that users abilities. You would have to configure sudo to allow that user to have root privlages. Might want to rethink how to achive what youw ant.
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• 2110[14:52:15] <mangas> yeah it really seems you're overdoing it
• 2111[14:52:17] <somiaj> DammitJim: you could set up a shared directory such that every file in that directory gets full permissions to some group. Then the user can freely edit any file in that directory.
• 2112[14:52:28] <At> c0mrad3: If you don't have DNS server configured, you can only access through IP
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• 2114[14:52:31] <somiaj> (provided you add the user to the group)
• 2115[14:52:33] <mangas> or group permissions for a group with that user and yours
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• 2117[14:53:07] <c0mrad3> At: let me search for how to configure dns server :)
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• 2120[14:53:27] <At> what you did seems legit for me :)
• 2121[14:54:19] <c0mrad3> At: or would you mind me telling that :)
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• 2123[14:54:51] <xai> DammitJim: Why just don't open two terminals or setup acces by shared group (as others say)?
• 2124[14:55:13] <xai> … two terminals can be opened in one screen/tmux, btw
• 2125[14:55:24] <At> c0mrad3: Do it yourselft, because I have to search to get it too
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• 2127[14:55:41] <c0mrad3> At: :)
• 2128[14:55:53] <At> but obviously, if you don't configure DNS servers, you won't be able to reach any server by its name
• 2129[14:56:08] <At> As my nickname says, I am trying to use "at" command in a shell script called via xinetd. But command is never executed. Is there something like tty lost or I don't know what ? Thank you.
• 2130[14:56:36] <c0mrad3> At: I don't where I messed up
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• 2132[14:57:15] <At> c0mrad3: perhaps you need something like /etc/init.d/networking restart ?
• 2133[14:57:16] <c0mrad3> /s/I don't/ I don't know
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• 2137[14:58:51] <c0mrad3> At: I don't think that will work! I even tried removing those lines and restarting but didn't work!
• 2138[14:58:53] <xai> At: «in a shell script» — may be you should add flag "-x" to shebang of your script and redirect sterr somewhere?
• 2139[14:58:57] <At> c0mrad3: oh, and if you are in a dhcp environment, you can try sudo dhclient eth0 (or something like that... it's very far for me :) )
• 2140[14:59:08] <xai> * stderr
• 2141[14:59:48] <At> xai: you mean -x to at ?
• 2142[14:59:58] <At> looking for man at
• 2143[15:00:00] <xai> At: -x to the script, that execs at
• 2144[15:00:29] <At> xai yeah -x doesn't exists for at :)
• 2145[15:00:44] <xai> At: You meantioned a "shell script".
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• 2149[15:01:05] <At> xai: in fact this script is launched via xvfb-run, launched via xinetd :/
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• 2151[15:01:11] <At> xai:
• 2152[15:01:14] <At> xai: yes
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• 2154[15:01:34] <xai> At: What is the first line of the shell script file?
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• 2156[15:01:55] <xai> Is it a shebang? — replaced-url
• 2157[15:02:01] <At> #!/bin/bash
• 2158[15:02:11] <xai> Replace it by "#!/bin/bash -x"
• 2159[15:02:25] <xai> Also wrap the rest part of the script into "()
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• 2161[15:02:29] <DammitJim> thanks guys
• 2162[15:02:29] <xai> Also wrap the rest part of the script into "(…) 2>/tmp/log"
• 2163[15:02:33] <DammitJim> I understand the process
• 2164[15:02:39] <DammitJim> was just trying to poke and see if there was something else
• 2165[15:02:43] <DammitJim> I am aware of the other options
• 2166[15:02:44] <At> xai: ok, but if this script is called one millions time, will it remains in memory or something ?
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• 2170[15:03:35] <xai> At: It's just a trace-mode. If you have fast and big enough /tmp, then everything will be ok, probably.
• 2171[15:04:21] <xai> After a try (to call at via the script via xinetd) you should look at the trace ("/tmp/log")
• 2172[15:05:08] <At> xai: Oh ok, thanks, but my script already logs everything
• 2173[15:05:21] <At> and at command runs without any issue
• 2174[15:05:40] <At> and if I run it in a shell, it works
• 2175[15:05:41] <xai> At: Do you log stderr result of "at"?
• 2176[15:05:55] <At> &> my.log
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• 2178[15:06:31] <At> what I guess is that when xinetd task is over, my at command disapear with it
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• 2180[15:07:10] <At> because parent shell/process/tty/I don't know doesn't exists anymore
• 2181[15:08:02] <At> xai: you know what I mean ?
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• 2187[15:10:41] <xai> At: at should report to stderr if any error
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• 2189[15:10:44] <xai> IMO
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• 2191[15:11:24] <At> xai: it doesn't because there is no error
• 2192[15:11:59] <xai> At: it runs successfuly or it doesn't run or it runs with error (and reports). I don't see other variants.
• 2193[15:12:08] <xai> You said it runs
• 2194[15:12:10] <At> xinetd script just launch it, and then exits
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• 2201[15:13:13] <At> xai: at runs => yes, command that should be run later doesn't run
• 2202[15:13:48] <xai> At: atq shows something?
• 2203[15:13:57] <At> xai: nope
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• 2205[15:14:16] <At> xai: like task is deleted because parent script/shell exited
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• 2207[15:14:33] <xai> At: So: "at" runs and runs without stderr, but "at" queue is empty… right?
• 2208[15:14:35] <At> xai: it's just like at is shell dependant
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• 2210[15:14:40] <c0mrad3> At: replaced-url
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• 2212[15:14:55] <At> c0mrad3: nice
• 2213[15:15:06] <At> xai: exactly
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• 2215[15:15:15] <xai> At: I'd strace atd
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• 2217[15:15:24] <At> xai: let me try something...
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• 2219[15:16:09] <At> xai: ok, this what I was guessing... :/
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• 2223[15:17:56] <xai> At: what?)
• 2224[15:18:04] <At> xai: nope finally my test was successful, I did echo "ls -l" | at now + 10 min then listed task with at -l in another shell and tasks exists
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• 2230[15:20:23] <At> xai: I will trace at commands in a specific file to check it
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• 2232[15:21:17] <aarone> tgif ?
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• 2248[15:28:40] <MaBunny> hey guys
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• 2268[15:39:27] <monsterco> I am trying to do rm but I am out of space: rm -rf vm-40-bash: cannot create temp file for here-document
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• 2274[15:43:09] <queso> I would like to purchase a pre-built two-drive NAS device to use as a storage system in my house. I'm having a hard time determining Linux/Debian compatibility. Many of them appear to run debian under the hood, but are they going to support linux file bits, and otherwise work well with linux boxes connected to them? If someone could point me to a website or something, it'd be appreciated. Thanks.
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• 2293[15:51:39] <MaBunny> newegg.com and replaced-url
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• 2299[15:54:07] <Scurz> Hi
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• 2301[15:54:30] <Scurz> I would like to know when owncloud 8 is going to be packaged for debian8 ?
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• 2307[15:56:34] <Igel> Scurz: no idea. i thought owncloud is deprecated.. or that might just be blog hype..
• 2308[15:57:09] <TEXM> queso, replaced-url
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• 2314[15:58:39] <queso> TEXM: thanks
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• 2323[16:01:39] <iSlayWyverns> 32bit or 64bit on an old 3gb laptop? would it make a difference for every-day tasks? (mostly Videos, internet...)
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• 2328[16:04:41] <Scurz> Igel: what do you mean by "deprecated" ?
• 2329[16:04:47] <Scurz> Igel: for the new version ?
• 2330[16:05:22] <TEXM> queso, that was an outdated page but here is something you might be interested in....replaced-url
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• 2350[16:15:48] <queso> TEXM: yeah, I've looked at that, but I don't want to have to build and set it up myself..
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• 2362[16:20:45] <TEXM> ok
• 2363[16:21:19] <TEXM> queso, where do you live ?
• 2364[16:22:11] <queso> TEXM: near Chicago
• 2365[16:22:18] <TEXM> ok
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• 2367[16:23:29] <queso> There's a QNAP 2 bay personal cloud that some amazon reviewers say they use with linux devices, so maybe that would be fine. :)
• 2368[16:23:49] <TEXM> ok
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• 2371[16:25:12] <queso> ah, it says it supports linux: replaced-url
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• 2375[16:25:46] <epsilon> imho, NEVER use a NAS using ARM architecture
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• 2383[16:28:41] <moldy> iSlayWyverns: 64bit. not much difference.
• 2384[16:29:03] <ChrisH> queso: the main question is: does it support NFS v3 and V4? does it offer SMB/CIFS or even iSCSI? Than you should be save on integrating it into your Linux environment.
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• 2389[16:30:07] <queso> ChrisH: That's a good point. What's better for linux to linux communication? NFS or SMB?
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• 2391[16:30:27] <moldy> i would also consider using SSH
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• 2393[16:30:54] <markybob> !sshfs
• 2394[16:30:54] <dpkg> sshfs is a <FUSE>-based filesystem using <SSH> for securely mounting remote resources. See replaced-url
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• 2425[16:39:36] <BinBasher> Eh guys what's happening? is Iceweasel replaced by Firefox now?
• 2426[16:39:46] <cra1g321> lol
• 2427[16:40:02] <jelly> BinBasher: yes!
• 2428[16:40:08] <monsterco> hi everyone - on a new install, it seems like my local-lvm is not mounted? why is that?
• 2429[16:40:18] <BinBasher> jelly: now the non sarcastic answer please
• 2430[16:40:23] <jelly> BinBasher: YES
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• 2433[16:40:30] <monsterco> nvm
• 2434[16:40:33] <markybob> BinBasher: yes
• 2435[16:40:39] <cra1g321> why do you kepe iceweasel if you have firefox installed ?
• 2436[16:40:40] <BinBasher> Why though
• 2437[16:40:50] <BinBasher> Why would anyone do that
• 2438[16:40:52] <BinBasher> </3
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• 2440[16:41:16] <cra1g321> also is this Firefox from debian repo ? a random PPA for ubuntu, some bin file stuck somwhere ???
• 2441[16:41:50] <cra1g321> oh my bad, i read that as if iceweasel had replaced firefox
• 2442[16:41:54] * cra1g321 hides
• 2443[16:41:55] <BinBasher> cra1g321: I don't even know how I got it
• 2444[16:41:58] <BinBasher> ^
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• 2448[16:42:35] <BinBasher> I came home with this surprise
• 2449[16:42:49] <cra1g321> hardly a big deal
• 2450[16:43:06] <BinBasher> but...
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• 2453[16:43:43] <cra1g321> iceweasel is no longer needed now that firefox can be included in the debian repos, hence why it replaces iceweasel :)
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• 2455[16:43:50] <cruncher> in example, i keep iceweasel because some other packages are not yet changed to depend on firefox instead
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• 2459[16:44:54] <BinBasher> Oh, all settings and history and stuff isn't gone.
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• 2462[16:45:45] <cruncher> and as its a transitional package anyway it doesnt hurt to keep it for the moment
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• 2467[16:50:23] <BadCodSmell> Isthere a way to download things on a minbase install of debian without curl, nc or wget?
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• 2473[16:51:31] <blind> you could maybe use bash's /dev/tcp but that wouldn't be very comfortable.
• 2474[16:52:00] <xai> blind: from http?
• 2475[16:52:03] <xai> sorry
• 2476[16:52:06] <xai> BadCodSmell: from http?
• 2477[16:52:09] <BadCodSmell> wait maybe I am being really stupid
• 2478[16:52:25] <BadCodSmell> I am using wget -O - replaced-url
• 2479[16:52:33] <BadCodSmell> mayb add key has a http handle let me check
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• 2481[16:53:00] <BadCodSmell> nope :(
• 2482[16:53:01] * xai uses gpg --recv-key … && gpg --export … --armor | apt-key add -
• 2483[16:53:05] <BadCodSmell> but there'#s the http apt methods
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• 2485[16:53:53] <xai> Stop "add-key"? What is it?
• 2486[16:53:58] <BadCodSmell> So you're using gpg's http wrapper then exporting it to apt-key?
• 2487[16:54:00] <xai> * Stop,
• 2488[16:54:03] <BadCodSmell> My typo
• 2489[16:54:18] <BadCodSmell> apt-key add <file>
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• 2491[16:54:59] <BadCodSmell> Ah you need a keyserver for gpg though
• 2492[16:55:00] <xai> BadCodSmell: I use HKP
• 2493[16:55:09] <BadCodSmell> A bit of a pain to set up right now but probably the best long run solution
• 2494[16:55:13] <xai> Well, there's a lot of public keyservers :)
• 2495[16:55:25] <xai> Also I have one own
• 2496[16:55:44] <BadCodSmell> In the mean time I need to see how to get http to work on a minbase
• 2497[16:55:57] <xai> BadCodSmell: What you have in this "minbase"?
• 2498[16:56:13] <xai> And why http?
• 2499[16:56:29] <BadCodSmell> because I can't be bothered to set up a key server
• 2500[16:56:38] <BadCodSmell> and wait to avoid seeding the fs with files externally
• 2501[16:56:43] <BadCodSmell> plus it's a cool challenge TBH
• 2502[16:56:56] <BadCodSmell> Don't tell anyone
• 2503[16:56:59] <xai> BadCodSmell: ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf is created automatically
• 2504[16:57:05] <xai> IIRC it uses pgp.mit.edu
• 2505[16:57:18] <BadCodSmell> There is no guarantee keys will be in public
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• 2507[16:57:31] <BadCodSmell> It's the kind of thing once I do that, might as well do it properly or not at all
• 2508[16:57:42] <xai> BadCodSmell: I see. So, what do you have in the minbase? Do you have "bash"?
• 2509[16:57:55] <BadCodSmell> yes and perl but no good libs :(
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• 2511[16:58:20] <xai> BadCodSmell: As "blind" said you can use /dev/tcp
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• 2514[17:00:29] <BadCodSmell> That might work
• 2515[17:00:30] <xai> BadCodSmell: Also if you have apt, you just can debianize you keyring and do apt-get install it
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• 2518[17:01:18] <BadCodSmell> I need the key in the first place though
• 2519[17:02:42] <ChrisH> queso: depends.. I like NFS v3 if UIDs are equal on all sides. SMB allows to change User during mount. I personally have and had issues with NFSv4 and CIFS, NFSv3 worked allways
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• 2522[17:03:55] <mangas> does anyone know if there is a tarball version of openjdk ?
• 2523[17:04:01] <mangas> same used by debian
• 2524[17:04:10] <mangas> but as a tarball instead of several deb packages
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• 2528[17:05:26] <Iridos> the source package has a tar of the source
• 2529[17:05:45] <Iridos> they're then compiled into different binary packages
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• 2531[17:06:13] <Iridos> guess you could tar the contents of the packages yourself quite easily
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• 2534[17:06:23] <Iridos> but not sure what the point of that would be
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• 2536[17:06:48] <mangas> well the same installation type you achieve with oracle's jdk
• 2537[17:06:53] <mangas> you just drop the contents
• 2538[17:07:02] <mangas> somewhere in the FS and then run java from there
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• 2541[17:08:04] <mangas> I was asking because no one provides these kind of packages so I wonder if it is possible todo without re-inventing the wheel
• 2542[17:09:05] <dagerik> these ipv6 rules are causing ipv6 ping to not work: replaced-url
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• 2544[17:10:18] <Dagger> dagerik: `ip6tables -A INPUT -p icmpv6 -j ACCEPT`
• 2545[17:10:34] <dagerik> shouldnt the first rule allow icmpping?
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• 2548[17:10:53] <jelly> mangas: there seems to be a build available on the first page of google results for "openjdk"
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• 2551[17:11:09] <Dagger> only ICMPv6 in RELATED or ESTABLISHED state will match the first rule
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• 2556[17:11:45] <mangas> jelly: are you referring to this page ? replaced-url
• 2557[17:11:46] <Dagger> (at one stage there was a bug where all ICMPv6 traffic was in state INVALID, although I'm preeetty sure that's been fixed for a while now)
• 2558[17:11:49] <jelly> mangas: nope
• 2559[17:12:01] <jelly> mangas: try again! hint: it's not on java.net
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• 2562[17:12:33] <jelly> mangas: the zulu thing.
• 2563[17:12:39] <BadCodSmell> I can't use /dev/tcp because I have no cat .....
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• 2565[17:12:50] <mangas> I got no zulu result
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• 2567[17:13:13] <jelly> huh
• 2568[17:13:41] <jelly> mangas: replaced-url
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• 2570[17:13:59] <jelly> dunno why your google is broken
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• 2573[17:15:09] <mangas> mine automatically picked up google.co.uk
• 2574[17:15:26] <mangas> probably sorted differently
• 2575[17:15:34] <mangas> still thanks for letting me know
• 2576[17:15:46] <jelly> you can work around that by going to google.com/ncr
• 2577[17:16:06] <jelly> I always forget they give different results for different countries
• 2578[17:16:08] <mangas> at some point I could see the lmgtfy url coming although I don't usually need help searching google
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• 2580[17:16:35] <mangas> nice trick there I will bookmark this one
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• 2587[17:22:44] <bbtech> Can anyone point me to up-to-date docs on hibernation? I'm trying to get it working on my lenovo t450 but having trouble figuring out where to start.
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• 2591[17:26:37] <xai> BadCodSmell: replaced-url
• 2592[17:26:50] <Walex> bbtech: hibernation is a lot less reliable than just sleep mode...
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• 2594[17:27:01] <ivanblagoev> hello bought Samsung SSD drive but it has a password, can someone tell me how master passwords Samsung
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• 2596[17:27:16] <jazz> hi there
• 2597[17:27:22] <Walex> bbtech: anyhow there is a site/wiki devoted to Linux/thinkpad issues
• 2598[17:27:26] <jazz> i'm stuck on that bug : replaced-url
• 2599[17:27:28] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 2601[17:27:35] <jazz> is there a way to get it re-opened ?
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• 2605[17:27:59] <mtn> ivanblagoev: read the manual or documentation?
• 2606[17:28:07] <bbtech> Walex, Unfortunately, my battery can't make it through the night in sleep mode
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• 2609[17:28:41] <ivanblagoev> mtn but can not write anywhere and very tired looking and I thought someone here might know
• 2610[17:28:52] <Walex> ivanblagoev: 'hdparm --security-erase' resets the encryption password
• 2611[17:29:00] <ivanblagoev> not work ....
• 2612[17:29:06] <Walex> ivanblagoev: replaced-url
• 2613[17:29:10] <mtn> ah, not work
• 2614[17:29:25] <xai> BadCodSmell: Here's the result: replaced-url
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• 2616[17:29:36] <Walex> ivanblagoev: it *must* be unlocked, it *must* be unfrozen
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• 2619[17:30:05] <ivanblagoev> hdderase not working ....
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• 2621[17:30:09] <Walex> ivanblagoev: to ensure that it may be necessary to suspend/resume or to connect the drive via an external dock/interface
• 2622[17:30:16] <xai> blind: What you think about the above solution? :)
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• 2624[17:30:55] <ivanblagoev> can you help me find the master password
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• 2627[17:31:19] <Walex> ivanblagoev: that usually is impossible
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• 2629[17:31:51] <Walex> ivanblagoev: unless you can take apart the drive and you have an advanced electronics lab
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• 2635[17:33:39] <blind> xai: It's neat... but it doesn't seem to work for me :(
• 2636[17:34:00] <xai> blind: why?
• 2637[17:34:06] <blind> just exits with status 100 after doing the 100 Capabilities part
• 2638[17:34:12] <xai> Hm. Strange.
• 2639[17:34:15] <chocolate_milk> I am trying to install Debian for the first time. I'm booting from a DVD with a burned image of 8.5.0. I verified the image, and the burn to disk. I'm having problems at the GRUB install stage. I used basically standard options during install. When I use the grub> command line packaged with the installer, I find that ls (hd1, gpt3) gives an error: unknown filesystem. Any ideas?
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• 2641[17:34:53] <xai> blind: The documentation about methods interface of apt: replaced-url
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• 2643[17:35:10] <xai> blind: Did you try as in replaced-url
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• 2647[17:35:38] <blind> yeah I copied it exactly and then when it didn't work I tried with a different URL and filename but no dice
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• 2649[17:35:52] <xai> ok :(
• 2650[17:36:11] <blind> I really like the concept though
• 2651[17:36:13] <NoImNotNineVolt> so, anyone familiar with dh-systemd (or debhelper in general)? if i include several debian/*.service files in my package, will they all get installed?
• 2652[17:36:26] *** Joins: clu5ter (~staff@replaced-ip)
• 2653[17:36:48] <NoImNotNineVolt> or does only debian/${package_name}.service get installed?
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• 2656[17:37:38] <NoImNotNineVolt> (i've got one package, one binary that runs in various configurations to provide different services)
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• 2658[17:38:10] <BinBasher> What are valid reasons to remove rsyslog?
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• 2661[17:38:40] <jhutchins> BinBasher: You're using something else to provide the syslog service?
• 2662[17:39:10] <BinBasher> jhutchins: nope
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• 2666[17:41:36] <jelly> BinBasher: why do you ask?
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• 2670[17:42:45] <jelly> seems like an unusual question, without context
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• 2674[17:45:22] <electsleeper> hey there! I've got jessie installed and I'm trying to write to an SD card but it keeps failing. Any ideas on where to start troubleshooting?
• 2675[17:45:44] <xai> electsleeper: What does it report?
• 2676[17:46:21] <electsleeper> just hangs basically
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• 2678[17:46:45] <xai> electsleeper: dmesg?
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• 2680[17:47:14] <epsilon> is the SD card write protected?
• 2681[17:47:44] <electsleeper> nope
• 2682[17:47:48] <electsleeper> one sec
• 2683[17:48:18] <NoImNotNineVolt> so, no packaging people around? :P
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• 2685[17:49:27] <jelly> dpkg, tell NoImNotNineVolt about mentors
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• 2690[17:52:59] <Hobbes`> Is it possible to have an X app "class" in Xresources/Xdefaults inherit+extend the settings from a different class?
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• 2693[17:53:21] <Hobbes`> I have customised some XTerm settings... and now want a different class of XTerm to inherit those settings and have a bunch of other settings added to it.
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• 2709[18:00:04] <electsleeper> okay, fresh new SD card
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• 2711[18:00:28] <electsleeper> I've split a large file in chunks and trying to copy it over
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• 2714[18:01:51] <jelly> Hobbes`: take a look at how /etc/X11/app-defaults/UXTerm does it, maybe?
• 2715[18:02:47] <NoImNotNineVolt> indeed
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• 2717[18:03:53] <NoImNotNineVolt> i feel bad abusing the oftc/mentors community for help with making packages for internal use (not destined for the debian repos)
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• 2723[18:04:59] <Hobbes`> jelly thanks!
• 2724[18:05:05] <electsleeper> meh, hope it stays like this.. It kept doing it consistently and dmesg wasn't reporting anything.
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• 2733[18:07:52] <xai> electsleeper: Hangs and empty in dmesg, right? How do you detect the hanging? How long are you waiting?
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• 2735[18:08:00] <bbtech> Walex, I'm beginning to think that I can't resume from hibernation because I have an encrypted disk
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• 2738[18:08:59] <electsleeper> long enough.. and I was copying over with both rsync and thunar, the first reported errors and the second stopped around 90%
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• 2741[18:09:37] <electsleeper> I'm copying over data right now so can't test it any further, will check again later
• 2742[18:09:52] <xai> electsleeper: What errors?
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• 2749[18:11:42] <electsleeper> closed the window, so can't remember off the top of my head
• 2750[18:12:02] <electsleeper> it's copying over data happily now, could be just corrupted card
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• 2752[18:12:08] <electsleeper> will report back once I have more info
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• 2782[18:23:59] <jelly> NoImNotNineVolt: you'll have to adopt a debian package to work that guilt off
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• 2797[18:29:19] <antosamalona> hello there
• 2798[18:29:33] <antosamalona> I have a quetion
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• 2800[18:29:51] <antosamalona> could I packaging zip file to deb?
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• 2855[18:50:06] <winsen> Hi all
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• 2898[19:05:51] <leba2> Can logitech wireless headset h600 work on opensuse, does anyone know?
• 2899[19:06:01] <leba2> Can logitech wireless headset h600 work on debian, does anyone know?
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• 2906[19:08:02] <dimitry7> Hi guys, I have a dhcp with static IPs assigned for specific MAC addresses, (150 hosts avarage), now I have reordered my IPs in the dhcpd.conf file
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• 2909[19:08:41] <dimitry7> what can I do for clients to take their new IP with no interruption? just replace the old file with the new one or is there something else to do?
• 2910[19:08:55] <dimitry7> what about the leases file? .. thank you!
• 2911[19:09:08] <greycat> What do you mean, "new IP"?
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• 2913[19:10:39] <greycat> Did you simply reorder the lines, or did you actually change which MACs get which IPs?
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• 2919[19:12:48] <dimitry7> greycat, yes I reordered the IPs, the macs are the same, just the IPs changed
• 2920[19:13:02] <greycat> ... you are using English words, but you are not speaking English.
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• 2922[19:13:27] <greycat> So you CHANGED the mapping from MAC to IP, *not* merely reordered lines.
• 2923[19:13:37] <dimitry7> greycat, okay
• 2924[19:13:44] <greycat> In that case, wait for the current leases to expire, and the clients will get the new IPs.
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• 2926[19:13:44] <dimitry7> I changed the mapping, right
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• 2928[19:13:56] <dimitry7> oh okay, so there is nothing else to do
• 2929[19:13:59] <dimitry7> thank you greycat
• 2930[19:14:48] <Spr1ng> If anybody has used fail2ban and knows how to reduce the frequency of emailed notifications I am all ears as to how you accomplished that.
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• 2932[19:15:10] <krav> it's all python. you should be able to modify it as you choose :P
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• 2940[19:17:24] <NoImNotNineVolt> you mean you want batched email alerts? i don't think fail2ban does that, but i could be wrong.
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• 2943[19:17:48] <NoImNotNineVolt> you could always write a batching smtp relay or something like that to point it at.
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• 2946[19:18:00] <NoImNotNineVolt> assuming one doesn't already exist.
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• 2948[19:18:05] <Spr1ng> Ye, batched would be good.
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• 2950[19:18:18] <deepy> Or you could switch what sends the notification, at work we have some system that every day mails the log files
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• 2952[19:18:30] <NoImNotNineVolt> or that.
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• 2955[19:18:37] <Spr1ng> It uses sendmail so thinking applying some kind of batch limitation at that level might work....hmmm
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• 2958[19:18:52] <greycat> That's insane.
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• 2963[19:20:25] <mbn_18> Hi, I cant type hebrew letter into mysql docker. the docker is debian 7 and when I click a hebrew letter in the shell I hear beep and nothing change.
• 2964[19:20:27] <mbn_18> I installed locales and used locale-gen to add he_IL.utf8 and exported it. but nothing change (beside locale showing that he_IL.utf8 exist)
• 2965[19:20:29] <mbn_18> Any idea?
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• 2967[19:21:18] <mbn_18> Maybe some kind of char map is missing?
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• 2970[19:22:41] <greycat> Did you change your SHELL's locale too, or just install a new locale for future logins?
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• 2973[19:22:55] <greycat> The 'locale' command shows your current locale.
• 2974[19:23:05] <mbn_18> greycat: -> export LC_ALL=he_IL.utf8
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• 2976[19:23:18] <mbn_18> Yes, its a copy paste from locale output
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• 2978[19:23:55] <mbn_18> And showing locale again list he_IL.utf8 as the default
• 2979[19:23:57] <greycat> I don't know all of the layers involved here. Maybe you still need to logout and back in, or something equivalent.
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• 2981[19:25:31] <mbn_18> problematic. docker will die. Will try go around using external client. thx
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• 2984[19:26:02] <greycat> If it dies when you disconnect, I have to wonder why so many people use it.
• 2985[19:26:20] <greycat> Every time I see a question involving docker, I just get more and more put off by it. Never used it myself. Not planning to.
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• 2992[19:29:23] <GooseYArd> it has a bad smell about it
• 2993[19:29:35] <winterss> hi goose
• 2994[19:29:38] <winterss> how are you?
• 2995[19:30:15] <GooseYArd> not too shabby, how bout you?
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• 3020[19:37:56] <par> Hey! What is the actual difference between these two different versions of packages? I compared /lib/firmware/bnx2 and they are identical. replaced-url
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• 3022[19:38:26] <par> I thought updating this package from backports might solve some of my network card issues, but they look identical to me
• 3023[19:38:33] <winterss> hi
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• 3031[19:39:49] <Includes08> someone experience with ispconfig?\
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• 3040[19:44:20] <abrotman> par: no changelog in the package?
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• 3042[19:44:46] <abrotman> par: replaced-url
• 3043[19:45:00] <abrotman> you'll have to look at actual version strings to know which two you're comparing
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• 3056[19:50:54] <winterss> hi
• 3057[19:52:06] <NoImNotNineVolt> oftc is being very awesome to me today.
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• 3064[19:55:47] <winterss> hi
• 3065[19:56:00] <abrotman> winterss: please stop that
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• 3068[19:56:14] <abrotman> winterss: we can see you, if you have a question, just ask
• 3069[19:56:22] <winterss> ok
• 3070[19:56:23] <winterss> ty
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• 3080[20:03:00] <leba2> I apologize for the line before. I wanted to ask if logitech wireless headset h600 could work on *general* linux, because each distro seems to be one different story and I think debian is at least LONG classic...
• 3081[20:03:01] <leba2> Thanks
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• 3084[20:04:48] <par> abrotman: thanks, I've seen the changelog, they are different, but the actual firmware files are identical. Actually everything between these two packages file-wise are identical except for changelog. I must be going stupid.
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• 3086[20:06:30] <abrotman> md5sum ?
• 3087[20:06:42] <leba2> Or at least if they'd work on debian...
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• 3089[20:07:05] <greycat> par: well, what did the changelog say has changed?
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• 3093[20:09:45] <jo34> what's that dns resolving client that you can specify a specific dns server " * -r 127.0.0.1:54"
• 3094[20:09:54] <jo34> it may come with dnscrypt or unbound...
• 3095[20:10:05] <H4ndy> dig?
• 3096[20:10:09] <greycat> jo34: host and dig can both be told which resolver to use
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• 3098[20:10:28] <greycat> pretty much every tool that's designed to query DNS can be told which resolver
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• 3100[20:11:19] <par> greycat: lot's of things changed according to the changelog. it's versions 0.36 to 0.42
• 3101[20:11:33] <par> but I md5sumed replaced-url
• 3102[20:11:52] <H4ndy> Guess it's waiting for Debian 9 to get HTTP/2. Meh.
• 3103[20:11:53] <par> to replaced-url
• 3104[20:12:24] <par> and the main folders /lib/firmware/bnx2/ match
• 3105[20:12:34] <par> I would assume this is where the actual firmware binaries are
• 3106[20:12:40] <leba2> Ouch, guess no one has used logitech headsets.....
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• 3125[20:15:22] <tinyhippo> I had a server that was configured with a static IP of 192.168.1.10, which has now been moved to 1.11, and a new server in its place has been given a static IP of 1.10, I can acess the internal network, but not externally - any ideas why that would be?
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• 3128[20:15:51] <jo34> good enough until I remember lol. resolved my issue.
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• 3139[20:17:32] <teraflops> tinyhippo: who knows... Nat? Firewall? Dns?
• 3140[20:18:09] <winterss> hi
• 3141[20:18:11] <tinyhippo> teraflops: could NAT be mac address based rather than IP based?
• 3142[20:18:44] <teraflops> tinyhippo: why do you ask that question?
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• 3145[20:19:14] <mbn_18> greycat: Docker is awsome. on any modern linux env I can dl the exact server I wish and work it. Mobilizing software is so much easier. and dev/production is practically identical. thats a huge advantage
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• 3148[20:19:42] <tinyhippo> teraflops: the new server works when it is on 1.9, but not on 1.10, the old server works on both 1.10 and 1.11
• 3149[20:19:57] <greycat> mbn_18: do you have to reinstall the docker-server every time you log out of it?
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• 3151[20:20:00] <tinyhippo> there's nothing special running on either of them
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• 3155[20:21:37] <teraflops> tinyhippo: mind describing a bit more your lan? I really have no idea unless you give more details and asking/guessing game annoys me
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• 3158[20:22:42] <figlfdev> whats the *closest thing* debian has to a roadmap? or is that just silly talk?
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• 3160[20:23:02] * figlfdev found a pretty clear reply to this question from 2003, but is looking for something more recent and coming up empty
• 3161[20:23:09] <greycat> A timeline for the next release, based on emails.
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• 3163[20:23:25] <greycat> replaced-url
• 3164[20:23:45] <figlfdev> yeah, i figured. second question: how do execs "sell" debian to higher-ups, given that they cant say "when its ready"
• 3165[20:23:52] <greycat> The wiki is very, very bare and incomplete. Most of the real work happens on mailing lists.
• 3166[20:24:00] <figlfdev> this is NOT a critique of the release cycle, which i have never had a problem with.
• 3167[20:24:17] <greycat> Why would higher-ups care about upcoming releases? The selling point for Debian is stability.
• 3168[20:24:18] <figlfdev> there must be a way, if its on the ISS.
• 3169[20:24:34] <figlfdev> higher-ups care about peculiar, irrelevant things afaik.
• 3170[20:24:35] <greycat> The ISS wouldn't use the next release, and probably not even the CURRENT release.
• 3171[20:24:39] <greycat> They'd stick with an oldstable.
• 3172[20:24:44] <figlfdev> no, they use squeeze
• 3173[20:24:57] <figlfdev> i get you.
• 3174[20:25:08] <greycat> There's a story somewhere about a space mission that intentionally used an older release of Debian because they considered it more stable.
• 3175[20:25:38] <greycat> There are a LOT of wheezy servers in the wild.
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• 3177[20:25:47] <greycat> Plenty of people are scared to upgrade to jessie.
• 3178[20:25:50] <tinyhippo> teraflops: I don't really know the lan very well, new company, first task is replace server X out of hours, everyone else has gone home - however I've spoofed the mac address of the old server to de:ad:be:ef:ca:fe and the new server to the mac of the old server and it seems to work now, therefore something is fucky.
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• 3180[20:26:00] <tinyhippo> (it works now I've done the hacky spoofing)
• 3181[20:26:59] <par> \o 2000 wheezy machines here
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• 3195[20:30:31] <figlfdev> thanks
• 3196[20:30:57] <teraflops> tinyhippo: ah that said i never heard of nat based on mac since mac is ip layer and is not aware of mac addresses
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• 3232[20:48:09] <par> tinyhippo: wireshark to the rescue
• 3233[20:48:13] <stack> hi, the net installer froze when downloading packages, <ESC> does nothing, but I can access the console, is that possible to kill that part and/or reconfigure the wlan network interface?
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• 3246[20:56:23] <simonlnu> try 3 ESC
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• 3249[20:57:40] <CyberJacob> Whoever was helping with my RAID problems the other day, I got it sorted in the end
• 3250[20:57:46] <CyberJacob> can't remember your name, sorry
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• 3316[21:26:08] <CyberJacob> NoImNotNineVolt: Thanks for your help the other day
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• 3324[21:28:45] <tako> wow iceweasel our Firefox Esr in
• 3325[21:28:52] <tako> out*
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• 3328[21:31:16] <TomTomTosch> yeah, it's only firefox now.
• 3329[21:32:51] * greycat bravely (or stupidly) does an "apt-get install iceweasel" to see what happens
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• 3331[21:33:54] <tako> greycat, why its stable isnt it ?
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• 3333[21:35:03] <greycat> We'll see.
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• 3372[21:53:21] <BinBasher> Does anyone use scallion (the onion hasher)?
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• 3391[22:03:44] <markus_> ops
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• 3411[22:17:10] <greycat> Well, the URL bar is much smaller in Firefox ESR. URLs that I actually use and edit like replaced-url
• 3412[22:17:33] <greycat> I very frequently edit the command name directly in the URL bar to get to a different command's docs.
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• 3421[22:21:49] <Killaklown> dumb question alert.... since the debian founder died... who maintains/devs and continues on ?
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• 3424[22:22:40] <greycat> Debian is a very large organization of developers, under a written constitution. Ian hadn't personally directed the project for many years.
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• 3427[22:24:42] <greycat> They elect a new president once a year or so.
• 3428[22:24:50] <TomTomTosch> he was working at docker iirc.
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• 3433[22:27:27] <Killaklown> ok thanks guys
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• 3443[22:32:25] <calebwill> greycat: i move the firefox search bar into the hamburger button menu so that the location bar is longer
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• 3445[22:34:02] <greycat> How does one do that?
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• 3448[22:35:01] <axc1298> greycat: click the menu, click customize, and drag the search bar into the menu
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• 3454[22:36:28] <greycat> ok, thanks
• 3455[22:36:48] <axc1298> it doesn't make the search field any longer for me. but i'm on firefox release
• 3456[22:36:57] <Doyle> Hey. Does anyone know of a service that runs on a local box, monitors other services, and generates an http page with a status? A status endpoint basically. I could hack one together pretty quick, but if something exists, I'd rather use that
• 3457[22:37:19] <greycat> No, that's a vast improvement already. I never ever EVER use that little search bar thing. I just use the URL bar with a single-letter customized search engine keyword.
• 3458[22:37:28] <greycat> like 'g' for google
• 3459[22:38:18] <calebwill> Doyle: you've sorta just described nagios. there are others too, and a bunch of them use common monitoring plugins
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• 3461[22:38:52] <Doyle> Yea, nagios, prometheus, stage monitor, signalfx...
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• 3463[22:39:28] <Doyle> But just a stand alone service to create an http endpoint for healthchecks...
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• 3465[22:40:49] <awwal> Why lightdm wont be disabled even if I have executed systemctl disable lightdm.service several times and rebooted several times?
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• 3468[22:41:46] <greycat> Are you sure lightdm is what's running, and not some other display manager? Check "systemctl status lightdm.service" and so on.
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• 3470[22:42:01] <awwal> I had to install another DM (wdm) select it as default when dpkg prompt then disable both lightdm and wdm (systemctl disable). Now both are disabled and able to use startx
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• 3472[22:42:10] <Doyle> awwal, if /etc/init/lightdm exists, do 'echo "manual" | sudo tee -a /etc/init/lightdm.override'
• 3473[22:42:18] <awwal> greycat, yes, only lightdm
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• 3475[22:42:33] <greycat> what
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• 3478[22:43:00] <greycat> I'm thinking "/etc/init/" is not the path you wanted.
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• 3480[22:43:09] <awwal> Doyle, I have seen that somewhere in askubuntu but havent tried it
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• 3482[22:43:48] <Doyle> Is it upstart?
• 3483[22:43:55] <awwal> " Now I solved the problem as I said I had to install another DM (wdm) select it as default when dpkg prompt then disable both lightdm and wdm (systemctl disable). Now both are disabled and able to use startx"
• 3484[22:44:09] <awwal> oh, no. pure debian xfce+systemd
• 3485[22:44:21] <Doyle> systemctl disable service.service
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• 3489[22:44:57] <Doyle> systemctl is-enabled service.service ot see if service is running... The systemctl cmds didn't have any luck for you?
• 3490[22:45:09] <Doyle> *check if is enabled... not running
• 3491[22:45:14] <calebwill> awwal: so what does "systemctl status lightdm" say? also "systemctl get-default"?
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• 3494[22:46:11] <awwal> with only lightdm as display manager installed it wont disable using systemctl disable lightdm.service (as root, of course) but after installing wdm systemctl disable lighdm.service worked, worked also for wdm. now both DM are disabled
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• 3496[22:46:25] <awwal> both disabled calebwill, :P
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• 3500[22:47:27] <calebwill> awwal: is this on jessie by the way? systemd this concept of targets, so you could also have tried using the multi-user.target instead of graphical.target
• 3501[22:47:29] <awwal> so wondering why lightdm is started even after executing systemctl disable lightdm
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• 3503[22:47:43] <awwal> jessie, yeah
• 3504[22:47:45] <r3ply`> Hello, I have a 32bit PC with Intel GMA500 graphics. After installing debian 8.5, i am getting no video output. The system is running ok, I'm able to ssh to it, just nothing on the monitor, do i have to do something to install the drivers etc?
• 3505[22:47:56] <calebwill> awwal: it's hard to say when you don't show us pastes of the status
• 3506[22:48:11] <Lemonade1947> Anyone can help me, I need two display adapters, just installed debian today. Somewhat familiar with basic linux use, but never this.
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• 3508[22:48:41] <calebwill> r3ply`: there aren't free drivers for that GPU. You may be able to get something working with a tarball download from Intel's website.
• 3509[22:49:12] <awwal> one minute I paste
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• 3512[22:49:34] <Lemonade1947> Extra information: The drivers are installed properly, was able to identify both GPUs with aticonfig
• 3513[22:49:35] <cach> Someone has Debian stickers and free software to send me in Brazil
• 3514[22:49:48] <awwal> i'm in my jessie now but talking bout another jessie, anothe machine :P
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• 3516[22:51:23] <cach> The file with art sticker already help
• 3517[22:51:32] <awwal> paste.debian.net/735716
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• 3520[22:51:47] <awwal> strange :P both are loaded but inactive
• 3521[22:52:22] <r3ply`> calebwill, thinking about what you said, i did about 10 seconds of internet research, it appears that ubuntu has a driver for this hardware, is it possible to just use that one?
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• 3523[22:52:57] <calebwill> r3ply`: you cannot use Ubuntu packages in Debian
• 3524[22:53:13] <cach> The file with art sticker already help
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• 3526[22:53:27] <awwal> when disabled with systemctl disable ... they souldn't be loaded at all, eh?
• 3527[22:53:39] <calebwill> awwal: thanks. loaded/inactive is normal for a disabled service. it would have been interesting to see the status when it was disabled but still starting on boot
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• 3533[22:54:59] <Lemonade1947> Can anyone help me?
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• 3535[22:55:24] <awwal> calebwill, long time I havent disabled a service so I forgot how it works ( I mean what output one get with status) :D
• 3536[22:55:50] <awwal> it's like if only 1 DM is installed , it wont disable.
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• 3538[22:56:24] <awwal> will have to remove wdm and enable lightdm again . hopefully I'll get same issue
• 3539[22:56:28] <calebwill> awwal: that is curious, i would have liked to see the status of lightdm before you installed wdm. but if it's working for you now, no sense in messing with it
• 3540[22:56:58] <calebwill> Lemonade1947: you haven't really said what kind of problem you're having, just that you want to use two graphics cards at the same time
• 3541[22:57:36] <awwal> calebwill, my machine is old so slow boot. give me a few minutes I'll remove wdm, enable lightdm, try to disable it and I may reproduce again
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• 3545[22:58:40] <awwal> anyway, when I had only lightdm and disabled it, systemctl status show that its loaded and running, and at boot I get the lightdm login screen :P
• 3546[22:58:42] <Lemonade1947> calebwill, I have the drivers working for both cards (Integrated and discrete) I just don't know how to get the OS to put stuff on the other two screens.
• 3547[22:58:45] <calebwill> r3ply`: probably your best bet is to make an xorg.conf that uses fbdev. Trying to get the gma500/poulsbo driver install will likely end in tears
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• 3551[22:59:24] <calebwill> awwal: there's also a "systemctl list-dependencies" command that might help you figure it out. (along with get-default)
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• 3553[22:59:39] <r3ply`> calebwill, your recommendation to make an xorg.conf is related to this page?: replaced-url
• 3554[23:00:17] <calebwill> r3ply`: no that page is the opposite of my recommendation.
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• 3563[23:02:55] <calebwill> r3ply`: try putting this replaced-url
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• 3576[23:08:43] <awwal> wdm purged, lightdm enabled and started/running. will disable it (systemctl disable lightdm.service) and reboot and see if its really disabled. replaced-url
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• 3579[23:08:58] <awwal> not sure if I'll have same problem as before
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• 3583[23:10:58] <awwal> hm, lightdm loaded, and I see the login screen :D
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• 3586[23:12:04] <calebwill> awwal: so what does "systemctl status lightdm" say now?
• 3587[23:12:14] <awwal> sure,
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• 3590[23:13:10] <awwal> replaced-url
• 3591[23:13:11] <VladimirVolkov> 1
• 3592[23:13:20] <well_laid_lawn> 2
• 3593[23:13:22] <awwal> calebwill, ^
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• 3600[23:14:40] <awwal> I got confused, it's lxde /task-desktop-lxde) not xfce
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• 3602[23:15:26] <calebwill> awwal: hmmm... i think i don't understand what the "static" means in the Loaded: line
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• 3604[23:15:32] <awwal> I really dont understand why lightdm wont disable when it's the only DM installed.
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• 3606[23:15:43] <calebwill> awwal: what does "systemctl --reverse list-dependencies lightdm" say
• 3607[23:15:45] <awwal> calebwill, no clue here too :D
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• 3609[23:15:49] <Akuw> i am trying to use this command scanimage -d `kds:i1210/i1220' > kj.jpg but i got > prompt
• 3610[23:16:07] <greycat> Akuw: your quotes are wrong. Use two ' quotes, not one ` and one '
• 3611[23:16:08] <awwal> I wonder if task-desktop-lxde is involved in the problem :P
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• 3616[23:16:53] <thnee> I did purge ruby, autoremove --purge, and installed ruby again. Now 'gem' says: "<internal:gem_prelude>:1:in `require': cannot load such file -- rubygems.rb (LoadError)" :(
• 3617[23:16:58] <calebwill> awwal: okay, static means "this service unit doesn't have an [Install] section"
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• 3619[23:17:02] <awwal> replaced-url
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• 3621[23:17:05] <Akuw> documentation told replaced-url
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• 3624[23:17:27] <awwal> calebwill, and what that means?
• 3625[23:17:27] <Akuw> scanimage: open of device kds:i1210/i1220 failed: Invalid argument
• 3626[23:17:43] <calebwill> awwal: so you could "systemctl mask lightdm"
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• 3628[23:18:04] <Akuw> scanimage -L output device `kds:i1210/i1220' is a KODAK i1210/i1220 Virtual Device
• 3629[23:18:23] <awwal> calebwill, let me check man systemctl for understand what mask does exactly :P
• 3630[23:18:31] <greycat> Akuw: the quotes it uses for decoation on its output are not necessarily suitable for input to a shell command.
• 3631[23:18:42] <Akuw> hummm
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• 3635[23:19:06] <Akuw> greycat: do you know something about scanners on linux?
• 3636[23:19:08] <calebwill> awwal: in a systemd unit the [Install] section is where you put stuff like WantedBy. In this case it's missing for lightdm.service, but this unit is depended on by the graphical.target
• 3637[23:19:10] <greycat> Nope!
• 3638[23:19:16] <greycat> I only know about shell quoting.
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• 3640[23:19:25] <Akuw> nice
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• 3642[23:20:01] <awwal> calebwill, sound like chinese for me, but I think I get you :P
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• 3645[23:21:16] <awwal> calebwill, in man systemctl I see about mask "This honors the --runtime option to only mask temporarily until the next reboot of the system."
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• 3650[23:21:57] <awwal> so systemctl mask lightdm.service will prevent it from starting but no for being loaded when next boot, eh?
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• 3654[23:23:03] <awwal> prevent it from starting temporarily until next reboot, eh?
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• 3657[23:24:18] <teraflops> awwal: mask is forever
• 3658[23:24:27] <teraflops> unless you unmask it
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• 3661[23:25:15] <awwal> teraflops, so what "This honors the --runtime option to only mask temporarily until the next reboot of the system." means ?
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• 3663[23:26:21] <teraflops> no idea
• 3664[23:26:29] <teraflops> awwal: also try it and see
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• 3666[23:27:08] <awwal> But why if I install wdm and choose it as default DM then disable lightdm, lightdm is effectively disabled? also wdm is disabled if requested :P
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• 3668[23:27:26] <awwal> ok, going to disable and mask lightdm, reboot and see
• 3669[23:27:33] <calebwill> awwal: that means if you use --runtime then it will not be masked on reboot
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• 3671[23:27:53] <awwal> calebwill, ok, got it
• 3672[23:28:04] <awwal> su
• 3673[23:28:19] <awwal> oh, confusinf debian channel with terminal :D
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• 3675[23:28:31] <Akuw> ok, finally scanning from Kodak i1210 :)
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• 3682[23:32:00] <awwal> Just playing with systemctl&lightdm : when I run systemctl enable lightdm.service I get replaced-url
• 3683[23:32:35] <awwal> now disabling and masking :P
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• 3687[23:37:37] <awwal> systemctl disable lightdm.service then systemctl mask lightdm.service had no effect. lightdm still loaded :D replaced-url
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• 3691[23:39:19] <awwal> seems that the work around is install wdm and disable them both for be able to get out of lightdm
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• 3693[23:39:43] <awwal> and use startx
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• 3695[23:39:58] <awwal> Is this a bug in lightdm, systemd or ....?
• 3696[23:40:36] <calebwill> awwal: it's probably something we don't understand in systemd. when a service is masked it's supposed to be a symlink to /dev/null (i thought)
• 3697[23:41:07] <awwal> thats what I see in manual yes
• 3698[23:41:43] <calebwill> awwal: is there a /etc/systemd/system/lightdm.service that points to /dev/null?
• 3699[23:42:03] <awwal> how to check that?
• 3700[23:42:20] <calebwill> awwal: "ls -l /etc/systemd/system/lightdm.service"
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• 3702[23:43:33] <awwal> ls -l /etc/systemd/system/lightdm.service ------» lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Jun 10 17:29 /etc/systemd/system/lightdm.service -> /dev/null
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• 3705[23:43:58] <Akuw> what is the debian mail reader ?
• 3706[23:44:10] <Akuw> i see thunderbord is not in the repos
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• 3708[23:45:13] <teraflops> you meant thunderbird?
• 3709[23:45:14] <Akuw> thunderbirth
• 3710[23:45:16] <Akuw> sorry
• 3711[23:45:21] <teraflops> ok
• 3712[23:45:28] <Akuw> thunderbird
• 3713[23:45:36] <awwal> Doyle, and no I dont have lightdm in /etc/init replaced-url
• 3714[23:45:39] <calebwill> awwal: replaced-url
• 3715[23:45:57] <teraflops> Akuw: icedove iirc
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• 3717[23:46:00] <calebwill> awwal: /etc/init is used by upstart, not by systemd
• 3718[23:46:03] <teraflops> ,v icedove
• 3719[23:46:04] <judd> Package: icedove on amd64 -- squeeze-security: 3.0.11-1+squeeze15; squeeze: 3.0.11-1+squeeze15; squeeze-backports: 10.0.12-1~bpo60+1; wheezy: 38.7.0-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 38.8.0-1~deb7u1.1; jessie: 38.8.0-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 38.8.0-1~deb8u1; sid: 1:45.1.0-1; stretch: 1:45.1.0-1; experimental: 1:45.2~b1-1
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• 3722[23:46:49] <teraflops> awwal: but that's not the debian email reader, icedove is just another email reader
• 3723[23:46:50] <awwal> calebwill, ok
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• 3725[23:46:56] <Doyle> awwal, you're on systemd, so you wouldn't
• 3726[23:47:02] <Doyle> that would be for upstart
• 3727[23:47:22] <Doyle> Think about uninstalling lightdm entirely?
• 3728[23:47:37] <awwal> calebwill, so you got an output when you executed systemctl mask apache2 ? (Created symlink from /etc/systemd/system/apache2.service to /dev/null.)
• 3729[23:47:57] <awwal> me I havent got an output when I did systemctl mask lightdm.service
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• 3731[23:48:04] <calebwill> awwal: yes. did you not get that with "systemctl mask lightdm" ?
• 3732[23:48:10] <awwal> no
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• 3738[23:49:14] <calebwill> awwal: and did you reboot or run "systemctl daemon-reload" after masking lightdm?
• 3739[23:49:30] <awwal> calebwill, of course :P
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• 3745[23:50:26] <awwal> thinking if task-desktop or something else is related making lightdm mandatory :P
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• 3748[23:50:56] <calebwill> awwal: you could try "systemctl set-default multi-user.target" (instead of using graphical.target)
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• 3752[23:52:09] <calebwill> awwal: /etc/systemd should take priority over /lib/systemd. Did you use --runtime when you masked it?
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• 3756[23:53:11] <awwal> calebwill, not just mask. we understood that --runtime if for mask until next boot :P
• 3757[23:53:39] <awwal> just used systemctl mask lightdm
• 3758[23:54:04] <awwal> calebwill , Just run systemctl set-default multi-user.target or what?
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• 3760[23:54:42] <calebwill> awwal: you can compare the list-dependencies output for multi-user.target and graphical.target if you want
• 3761[23:54:45] <awwal> checking the man seems i have to run systemctl set-default multi-user.target lightdm.service ?
• 3762[23:55:05] <cach> /j #gnuart
• 3763[23:55:20] <calebwill> awwal: no you don't need lightdm.service as part of that command
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• 3772[23:58:37] <awwal> calebwill, list-deps outputs replaced-url
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• 3774[23:58:52] <awwal> no clue what to check exactly there :P
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• 3776[23:59:10] <calebwill> awwal: you want to check that multi-user.target starts everything you want started
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