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• 16[00:10:54] <mzajc> I have a problem with memory. Whenever I hit the memory limit (I can manually trigger that by launching two virtualbox machines with high memory settings), the system freezes so hard I can only raise elephants, which is not always ideal (Ctrl + Alt + number doesn't do anything, SysRq + F doesn't do anything and the GUI freezes completely). How could I reserve some memory for the stuff necessary to at least get to a tty.
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• 18[00:12:10] <mzajc> Also great would be if I could reserve some memory for the GUI (X server, plasmashell, KWin) so that it wouldn't freeze out.
• 19[00:12:34] <magyar> hi, tying to compile backports kernel for stable with MS surface modules, how can I add them to the build?
• 20[00:12:46] <trek00> mzajc: it's best to limit virtualbox memory usage
• 21[00:12:56] <mzajc> virtualbox was just an example
• 22[00:13:37] <mzajc> it could be anything, really, even not watching over my browser tabs while leaving gimp and my IDE open in the background
• 23[00:13:39] <trek00> mzajc: linux does not like to have low memory
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• 25[00:14:16] <trek00> mzajc: if the applications does not collaborate to respect some memory limit, you can setup a cgroup for those memory hungry applications
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• 27[00:15:14] <mzajc> could I do that for all programs, except for the ones that are essential?
• 28[00:16:02] <trek00> mzajc: yes, once you setup a cgroup, you can run as many apps you want inside that cgroup, they will all share the same limits
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• 30[00:16:21] <mzajc> I see
• 31[00:16:34] <trek00> magyar: they are included in the standard kernel?
• 32[00:17:04] <magyar> trek00: nope, no touch screen etc
• 33[00:17:17] <magyar> that has to be added as a module
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• 36[00:17:26] <magyar> plus some bin stuff
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• 38[00:18:13] <magyar> for example >> CONFIG_TOUCHSCREEN_SURFACE3_SPI=m
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• 40[00:18:38] <trek00> magyar: I mean, where you found MS surface modules? inside the kernel source or as an extra package?
• 41[00:18:38] <badar> will anyone contribute here replaced-url
• 42[00:19:09] <trek00> mzajc: if you need help to setup a cgroup, just ask
• 43[00:19:23] <magyar> trek00: >> replaced-url
• 44[00:19:33] <mzajc> reading the man page of cgcreate currently
• 45[00:19:49] <mzajc> I'll figure it eventually, thanks for offering help though!
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• 48[00:21:51] <sponix> trek00: you don't happen to want to backport a lot of stuff for me.. do you ?
• 49[00:23:06] <trek00> magyar: sorry i don't know these drivers, but you can simply modify the .config file to add your module
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• 52[00:23:40] <trek00> sponix: which package?
• 53[00:23:42] <magyar> trek00: which section?
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• 56[00:24:03] <sponix> trek00: virt-manager and everything it needs to support it qemu/kvm etc
• 57[00:24:42] <magyar> trek00: I've tried make menuconfig but I'm not sure where to plug the necessary modules etc
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• 59[00:24:59] <sponix> trek00: if no one responds to my backports request from the mailing list, or in here by this weekend - I plan to attempt to tackle it myself. But I've only done "rtorrent" SSB prior
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• 61[00:25:04] <trek00> magyar: it should be already written inside .config, just commented out
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• 64[00:25:18] <trek00> sponix: too much packages :)
• 65[00:25:48] <magyar> trek00: nope, I looked at the config for the backports kernel and there is nothing on SURFACE modules
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• 67[00:26:15] <trek00> magyar: which kernel version?
• 68[00:26:22] <sponix> trek00: I figured you might say that... I kinda feel overwhelmed by it also. I want it though... Know what, I haven't even searched for an outside repo though. I kinda wanted it semi-offical
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• 72[00:28:02] <trek00> sponix: i really try to avoid to backport/modify packges myself because of maintenance burden, but i know sometimes it's unavoidable
• 73[00:28:14] <magyar> trek00: sorry, I've compared the config files from the one that I have the touchscreen working from github and the debian one is missing about 8 more modules
• 74[00:28:39] <magyar> trek00: config-5.4.0-0.bpo.3-amd64
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• 76[00:28:51] <trek00> magyar: i have CONFIG_TOUCHSCREEN_SURFACE3_SPI=m in my standard buster kernel 4.19
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• 78[00:29:54] <magyar> trek00: what about >> CONFIG_SURFACE_ACPI=m or CONFIG_SURFACE_ACPI_SSH=y and a whole bunch more
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• 80[00:30:06] <sponix> trek00: well to be honest, I'm just chasing version numbers. I just want to have the best gpu passthrough to Windows 10 experience for a Game (Street Fighter 5) that I can. The stable version in Debian 10 already can likely already provide that for me, if I configure and use it correctly :P
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• 85[00:32:18] <trek00> magyar: have you tried that genconf.py on github link you posted?
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• 89[00:33:03] <magyar> trek00: yep. fails badly
• 90[00:33:18] <trek00> sponix: which issues do you have with debian10 and passthrough?
• 91[00:33:19] <magyar> I don't think it was tested on debian
• 92[00:34:06] <sponix> trek00: Well, it was a "user error" issue last time. Come to find out my stability issues where likely because I didn't even have my rig booting in EFI mode (kinda a bit requirement it seems)
• 93[00:34:18] <trek00> magyar: it should not be distribution dependent
• 94[00:34:50] <magyar> trek00: the error>> replaced-url
• 95[00:34:53] <sponix> trek00: So, I could get the card listed with vfio and everything, and even see it and pass it through with kvm/virt-manager ... But when I attempted to run the Game (os did okay) it would take a big shit
• 96[00:35:01] <trek00> sponix EFI still an hidden beast to me
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• 99[00:35:21] <magyar> trek00: and the new config that it spits out doesn't have any changes in them at all
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• 101[00:35:49] <sponix> trek00: well, honestly I had not cared prior, because it had never been _needed_ for anything. But it seems to be key element for that to work correctly :P
• 102[00:36:17] <trek00> magyar: they seems only warnings, the config file should be generated
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• 105[00:36:55] <trek00> sponix: anyway debian works flawlessly with efi
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• 107[00:37:33] <sponix> trek00: I'm sure it does. It wasn't a Debian problem. It was a ME problem :)
• 108[00:37:55] <trek00> sponix: may be something related to IOMMU?
• 109[00:38:37] <trek00> magyar: i guess your surface don't work with the standard kernel
• 110[00:38:38] <sponix> trek00: well.... I will give it another shot with current Debian 10 stable packages this weekend and let you know if I have issues
• 111[00:39:02] <trek00> sponix: nvidia or amd card?
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• 117[00:41:38] <magyar> trek00: well it works but a bunch of features, like touchscreen is not working, but it seems to work with the kernel provided on github
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• 120[00:43:20] <sponix> trek00: Nvidia for Host OS, and AMD for passing through
• 121[00:43:59] <sponix> trek00: makes it a bit simple. You block the amdgpu driver at grub level, configure it by ID in vfio, and you are pretty well set
• 122[00:44:18] <trek00> magyar: and i guess you downloaded the linux-surface kernel and ran genconf.py on that directory
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• 128[00:45:33] <trek00> sponix: yes it should be right, is you iommu enabled?
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• 131[00:46:15] <magyar> trek00: well, I cloned it from github
• 132[00:46:16] <sponix> trek00: not at the moment, but it will be. I'm rocking a Xeon so it is iommu_intel for grub
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• 134[00:46:45] <sponix> trek00: like outside of the EFI boot, pretty sure I did most things right last time. I've done a fair amount of reading
• 135[00:46:50] <Iarfen> tomcat is not reading localhost:8080/manager, what can be happening? I'm under debian :D
• 136[00:46:53] <magyar> and installed the backports linux-source package + untar in my ~ folder
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• 139[00:47:39] <trek00> magyar: it seems to me you only need to work with the linux-surface kernel, not with the ones provided by debian
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• 141[00:48:57] <trek00> sponix: sorry i don't know, it should be running fine
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• 143[00:49:41] <trek00> Iarfen: try to restart tomcat, type as root: service tomcat8 restart
• 144[00:50:00] <sponix> trek00: its okay. I'm a big boy. And can solve my own problems. Appreciate you listening though :)
• 145[00:50:20] <magyar> trek00: so I can't build a debian kernel with the same modules as the github version?
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• 147[00:50:40] <Iarfen> trek00: it works. Now, it request me with a user and a password
• 148[00:51:27] <trek00> magyar: if i understand right, you can't because these modules are included only inside the github version
• 149[00:52:00] <magyar> trek00: yeh, this kernel stuff is confusing for me as sin
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• 151[00:52:30] <magyar> why can't I just add the modules to the debian source and build the kernel the debian way?
• 152[00:53:08] <trek00> magyar: just compile the github version with make deb-pkg
• 153[00:53:19] <trek00> magyar: and it will generate a .deb package for you
• 154[00:53:42] <magyar> trek00: k, let me try that
• 155[00:53:45] <magyar> thx
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• 157[00:54:37] <trek00> Iarfen: read the file /usr/share/doc/tomcat8/README.Debian.gz it contains those info
• 158[00:54:45] <Iarfen> ok
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• 163[00:55:31] <trek00> Iarfen: you need to read or create the /etc/tomcat8/tomcat-users.xml file
• 164[00:56:49] <Iarfen> trek00: I've created already an user there
• 165[00:57:31] <trek00> Iarfen: this should be the user and password you need to type
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• 167[00:59:23] <trek00> sponix: if you want read more, i suggest the archlinux wiki, it's always full of details, like this one replaced-url
• 168[01:00:42] <sponix> trek00: Thanks.. Got that bookmarked and will for sure work off of it as needed
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• 181[01:06:20] <trek00> badar: i would like to contribute, but i really don't know those packages and how they are expected to run
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• 183[01:07:33] <badar> its my first time so i was looking for some help
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• 197[01:18:08] <trek00> badar: if you have some technical question, just ask :)
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• 200[01:19:43] <robito> hey guys recently updated my debian install from 8 to 10.3 and now im trying to update the kernel also, trying to go from 3.14 up to 4.19 however i think im doing something wrong with grub, does my config look ok to you guys? replaced-url
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• 204[01:21:37] <trek00> robito: when installing a new kernel package on debian, it should automatically configure grub
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• 207[01:22:40] <robito> thats what i thought, but after i reboot im still on the old one
• 208[01:22:45] <annadane> robito, to go from 8 to 10 you need to go through 9 first
• 209[01:22:51] <annadane> you can't skip stable releases
• 210[01:22:56] <robito> uh oh
• 211[01:22:57] <annadane> !stretch release notes
• 212[01:22:57] <dpkg> The release notes for Debian 9 "Stretch" are at replaced-url
• 213[01:23:18] <annadane> do that and then go from 9 -> 10, also reading the release notes for 10
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• 215[01:23:59] <annadane> (it's usually as simple as changing your sources.list, apt update, apt upgrade, apt dist-upgrade, but it's worth it to at least skim the notes)
• 216[01:24:00] <robito> im already on 10.3... do i go back to 9 now?
• 217[01:24:05] <annadane> no.
• 218[01:24:20] <annadane> now that the damage has been done there isn't a point, and debian doesn't support downgrades anyway
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• 220[01:24:58] <annadane> i misread your question as "updating my debian install" as in ongoing, instead of "updated"
• 221[01:25:10] <trek00> robito: try to reinstall the 4.19 kernel and see what messages it prints, it should call update-grub
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• 223[01:25:41] <robito> ah gotcha
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• 225[01:26:47] <robito> ok trek00 i will do, it didnt throw any errors last time anyway, and my grub config wasnt actually updated until i manually called that command myself
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• 231[01:32:30] <robito> so all i did to install it was apt-get install linux-image-4.19.0-8-amd64
• 232[01:32:44] <trek00> it should work
• 233[01:32:55] <robito> seeing a few things mentioning i might need linux-image-generic also?
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• 239[01:34:59] <robito> just tried it without the generic anyway, it has regenerated the grub config
• 240[01:35:10] <robito> i guess ill try reboot
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• 248[01:40:44] <trek00> robito: check also if you have an "andanced" menu inside grub with all the kernels listed
• 249[01:40:52] <trek00> advanced
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• 252[01:44:07] <robito> doesnt seem to have rebooted :(
• 253[01:45:59] <trek00> it don't boot=
• 254[01:46:01] <trek00> ?
• 255[01:46:10] <robito> nope
• 256[01:46:27] <robito> its a remote server so hard to tell tbh
• 257[01:46:42] <trek00> :/
• 258[01:47:59] <trek00> hope you have a backup
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• 260[01:50:14] <robito> weird, its come back now
• 261[01:50:20] <robito> still the old kernel
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• 263[01:50:28] <robito> that was spooky though
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• 266[01:51:27] <trek00> robito: if it's a vps, i find easier to install a new system instead of upgrade
• 267[01:52:01] <robito> its a dedi but yeah probably a good idea
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• 271[01:56:01] <dvs> you could update-grub to see if that changes things
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• 285[01:59:27] <robito> does grub have the ability to fallback to lower options in the list if the first one fails?
• 286[01:59:56] <robito> it seems like grub is definitely updating
• 287[02:00:49] <eventhorizon> Also check /etc/default/grub and make sure "GRUB_DEFAULT" is set to 0
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• 289[02:01:36] <robito> yeah it is indeed
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• 294[02:04:41] <eventhorizon> do you know if that's a paravirtualized instance? I was wondering if something else besides grub was launching the kernel. My EC2 instances aren't paravirtual so they work fine with grub
• 295[02:06:22] <robito> nope its a dedicated server so it should all be grub i think
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• 297[02:06:32] <eventhorizon> yeah ok
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• 301[02:08:45] <robito> im going to head to bed anyway thank you guys so much for the help
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• 308[02:11:15] <trek00> robito: good night :)
• 309[02:11:47] <robito> night
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• 314[02:13:51] <rort> hi
• 315[02:13:58] <dvs> oi
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• 319[02:14:46] <InvisibleRasta1> guys, i just accidently did a rm -rf /usr/bin .... is ther any way i can fix it=?
• 320[02:15:06] <InvisibleRasta1> if i boot the debian iso and copy the /ust/bin?
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• 326[02:17:09] <sponix> InvisibleRasta1: you are kidding right ?
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• 328[02:17:35] <InvisibleRasta1> no...
• 329[02:17:41] <InvisibleRasta1> i was going to delete a script
• 330[02:17:42] <bobey> InvisibleRasta1 that would probably work but you'd want to have all the same packages installed and the same versions...
• 331[02:17:54] <InvisibleRasta1> and and boom
• 332[02:17:57] <InvisibleRasta1> im cryingg
• 333[02:18:21] <ryouma> soyou haev to figure out getting the same packages installed. versions dhoulb e the same if you are up to date )
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• 336[02:19:19] <trek00> InvisibleRasta1: well /var/lib/dpkg contains the list of installed packages, if this is preserved, may be there are some chances to recover
• 337[02:20:07] <luxeve> how can i find out why networkctl is still configuring my eth0? replaced-url
• 338[02:20:20] <rort> InvisibleRasta1: im laighing
• 339[02:20:22] <rort> laughing
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• 341[02:21:58] <InvisibleRasta1> im dying
• 342[02:22:38] <rort> just reinstall debian
• 343[02:22:54] <trek00> InvisibleRasta1: try to copy dpkg and apt-get to /usr/bin
• 344[02:23:24] <InvisibleRasta1> how should i issue the cp command? i mean -p?
• 345[02:23:28] <InvisibleRasta1> cp -rp?
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• 349[02:23:55] <sponix> At least he didn't take out /usr/lib ;)
• 350[02:24:00] <oerheks> save your data, wile you can, in this session
• 351[02:24:15] <trek00> InvisibleRasta1: then chroot inside and try to do dpkg --get-selections and apt-get reinstall each package
• 352[02:24:38] <trek00> InvisibleRasta1: there are some example here replaced-url
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• 354[02:24:39] <InvisibleRasta1> im on the iso mounted to /mnt/debian my install.. should i cp -rp /usr/bin/* /mnt/debian/usr/bin ?
• 355[02:24:57] <InvisibleRasta1> trek00,
• 356[02:25:32] <trek00> InvisibleRasta1: i would copy only selected files needed to reinstall all
• 357[02:25:48] <rort> sudo cp then destination
• 358[02:25:51] <InvisibleRasta1> is -rp correct?
• 359[02:25:54] <trek00> InvisibleRasta1: cp -a /usr/bin/{dpkg,apt-get} /mnt/debian/usr/bin
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• 361[02:27:10] <annadane> rort, you don't need to cp everything at the root level... be careful with offering advice
• 362[02:27:35] <annadane> in this case probably yes (not really paying attention to scrollback), but still
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• 365[02:29:23] <InvisibleRasta1> trek00, with that i wouldnt even have ls,cp or anything tho
• 366[02:29:44] <trek00> InvisibleRasta1: after that try to chroot /mnt/debian and then dpkg --get-selections | grep -v deinstall | awk '{print $1}' >/root/pkg-list.txt
• 367[02:30:00] <InvisibleRasta1> no grep no awk
• 368[02:30:11] <trek00> right
• 369[02:30:28] <trek00> try only dpkg --get-selections if it runs
• 370[02:30:54] <InvisibleRasta1> copying all bin is not a good idea? i ahve the minimal netinstall iso anyway
• 371[02:31:03] <InvisibleRasta1> its not like it will ahve a bunch of crap
• 372[02:31:11] <InvisibleRasta1> what do you think?
• 373[02:31:35] <trek00> InvisibleRasta1: may be, but i don't want to break more your system
• 374[02:31:45] <InvisibleRasta1> ok
• 375[02:31:56] <InvisibleRasta1> ill do what you suggested first
• 376[02:32:33] <sponix> trek00: doing a re-install over the top without format might be okay for this. But at that point, you might as well start fresh anyway :P
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• 378[02:33:39] <InvisibleRasta1> trek00, dpkg is not in the iso's /usr/bin
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• 380[02:34:04] <InvisibleRasta1> ah maybe cause im in rescue mode of the iso
• 381[02:34:29] <trek00> InvisibleRasta1: well you need at least dpkg and apt-get to recover
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• 383[02:36:19] <InvisibleRasta1> yeah this iso dont have dpkg
• 384[02:36:25] <trek00> InvisibleRasta1: you can download dpkg and apt for your debian version and architecture and exctract them
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• 386[02:37:30] <InvisibleRasta1> whre do i find them?
• 387[02:37:45] <trek00> InvisibleRasta1: packages.debian.org
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• 390[02:38:30] <trek00> InvisibleRasta1: once downloaded you need ar and tar to extract
• 391[02:38:44] <InvisibleRasta1> uh
• 392[02:38:49] <trek00> InvisibleRasta1: may be a fresh install is simpler?
• 393[02:39:29] <InvisibleRasta1> i think tar adn ar are not in /usr/bin
• 394[02:39:47] <InvisibleRasta1> my broken system should have them
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• 396[02:40:11] <trek00> tar is under /bin but ar is under /usr/bin
• 397[02:40:35] <trek00> InvisibleRasta1: it's not a simple task to recover
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• 400[02:41:03] <InvisibleRasta1> if i reinstall ill loose everything tho
• 401[02:41:24] <InvisibleRasta1> a bunch of stuff configured
• 402[02:41:25] <trek00> InvisibleRasta1: may be you need a live linux to be more confortable (you will have all commands available) or may be you would to reinstall everything (after making a bakup of you /home folder)
• 403[02:41:37] <InvisibleRasta1> its a media server
• 404[02:41:48] <InvisibleRasta1> with a ton of stuff configured
• 405[02:44:58] <trek00> InvisibleRasta anyway once you copied dpkg and apt-get, you can try with apt-get --reinstall dselect-upgrade
• 406[02:45:02] <InvisibleRasta1> ill grab the live iso and from there move dpkg and apt
• 407[02:45:18] <InvisibleRasta1> and do what you first suggested
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• 410[02:45:58] <InvisibleRasta> oh jsut notused ther is two me
• 411[02:46:00] <InvisibleRasta> sorry
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• 417[02:50:28] <trek00> InvisibleRasta: you need also grep and if dpkg --get-selections is running fine, this long command could restore your installation: apt-get reinstall --no-install-recommends $(dpkg --get-selections | grep install | while read a b; do echo $a; done)
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• 419[02:52:45] <InvisibleRasta> trek00, would it be easier if i backup my old / , reinstall clean os and then cp the config files to the new install?
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• 422[02:53:39] <trek00> InvisibleRasta: may be, it's depends by what you find more comfortable
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• 431[03:00:50] <InvisibleRasta> lets see if this time i learn to make daily cron backups
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• 438[03:06:57] <trek00> InvisibleRasta: also try to not use the root user, when possibile
• 439[03:07:32] <trek00> (for example using you ~/bin instead of putting stuff inside /usr/bin)
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• 442[03:08:00] <dvs> that's what /usr/local/bin is for
• 443[03:08:04] <InvisibleRasta> trek00, what do you think about docker containers.. i might just set everything up that way, being it a media server
• 444[03:08:51] <trek00> InvisibleRasta: it's a layer more, so more complex to setup and maintain
• 445[03:09:48] <InvisibleRasta> you would not suggest it?
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• 447[03:10:25] <trek00> InvisibleRasta: i try to make things simple as possibile, to avoid issues and time spent
• 448[03:10:43] <InvisibleRasta> makes sense
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• 451[03:12:38] <InvisibleRasta> docker is more for like a hosting company no?
• 452[03:12:48] <InvisibleRasta> than for a personal media server
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• 454[03:13:23] <joepublic> docker is for keeping application deployment separate from system administration.
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• 458[03:14:31] <Psil0Cybin> trek00, again just wanted to say thank you
• 459[03:14:37] <Psil0Cybin> you helped me fix and diagnose all my problems today
• 460[03:14:44] <Psil0Cybin> a lot of respect for you
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• 464[03:15:11] <Psil0Cybin> today was a heavy day, we updated debian from 9 -> 10 without fresh install, fixed my python configs, libs, IDE, fixed my graphic card
• 465[03:15:16] <Psil0Cybin> my encrypted LUK install
• 466[03:15:24] <Psil0Cybin> time for some rum
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• 470[03:19:16] <dvs> !prize Psil0Cybin
• 471[03:19:16] * dpkg gives Psil0Cybin a beer.
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• 478[03:22:02] <InvisibleRasta> i want one too
• 479[03:22:04] <InvisibleRasta> ^
• 480[03:22:17] <dvs> you get a pony!
• 481[03:22:21] <trek00> Psil0Cybin: i'm happy to help and that you can ejoy debian :)
• 482[03:22:33] <dvs> !prize InvisibleRasta
• 483[03:22:33] * dpkg gives InvisibleRasta a medal.
• 484[03:22:38] <dvs> a medal?!?
• 485[03:22:40] <InvisibleRasta> i feel special
• 486[03:22:43] <InvisibleRasta> lol
• 487[03:23:10] <InvisibleRasta> medal for rm -rf /usr/bin . i feel proud of myself
• 488[03:23:18] <trek00> :D
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• 491[03:24:48] <trek00> InvisibleRasta: i'm sorry, but you haven't done a new record, i know who deleted the root directory of a cluster :D
• 492[03:25:15] <InvisibleRasta> lol
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• 494[03:25:24] <InvisibleRasta> what is more than medal?
• 495[03:25:29] <InvisibleRasta> xD
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• 497[03:25:58] <trek00> :)
• 498[03:26:11] <InvisibleRasta> trek00, what do you think about this script? should i use it to configure my rutorrent? replaced-url
• 499[03:26:32] <InvisibleRasta> or better do it all manually?
• 500[03:27:06] <InvisibleRasta> most guides i find are a bit outdated tho
• 501[03:27:09] <N9NU> can anyone tell me if there is a 3rd party or native driver for a X-FI 5 MB sound card in my Clevo laptop
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• 505[03:28:45] <trek00> InvisibleRasta: i really don't know
• 506[03:29:08] <N9NU> it's works along side thge realtek one
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• 513[03:31:57] <trek00> N9NU: it should work with the standard kernel
• 514[03:32:00] <InvisibleRasta> trek00, i was checking out the scripts... might be overcomplicated for a home media server
• 515[03:32:54] <N9NU> ok...yeah i do indeed have sound via the realtek devicxe
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• 517[03:33:01] <trek00> InvisibleRasta: i don't know rutorrent, so i can't say if this script is needed or not, may be you can try manually at first
• 518[03:33:18] <N9NU> i will check kernel itself
• 519[03:33:29] <N9NU> lsmod
• 520[03:33:37] <trek00> N9NU: lspci -k will show the driver used for each device
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• 522[03:33:44] <N9NU> yeah
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• 535[03:44:50] <InvisibleRasta> how come $PATH is not set in /etc/environment by default
• 536[03:45:31] <trek00> InvisibleRasta: it's set by login, like $HOME and $SHELL
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• 540[03:47:06] <dvs> InvisibleRasta, it's in /etc/profile
• 541[03:48:09] <InvisibleRasta> its not sourced tho when ssh'ing in
• 542[03:48:16] <InvisibleRasta> should be sourced manually then
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• 545[03:50:11] <trek00> InvisibleRasta: you mean that when you log in via ssh PATH is unset?
• 546[03:50:17] <InvisibleRasta> yyea
• 547[03:51:13] <trek00> InvisibleRasta: strange, it's should be set by ssh and then redefined by the shell reading /etc/profile as dvs said
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• 549[03:53:00] <trek00> InvisibleRasta: may be a modified ~/.profile that unsed PATH? (unlikely)
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• 552[03:56:48] <Akuw_> how can i know what IEEE standar my wifi network card support ?
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• 554[03:57:31] <InvisibleRasta> ill give it a look
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• 557[04:00:13] <InvisibleRasta> this should prevent me from sudden death no? alias rm -rf ='rm -rfi'
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• 559[04:02:50] <trek00> InvisibleRasta: i don't think so, if you specify -f, -i will be ignored
• 560[04:03:08] <InvisibleRasta> ah so i must die
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• 562[04:03:17] <N9NU> rm -Rf * as root :)
• 563[04:03:32] <InvisibleRasta> ^ clown fiesta
• 564[04:03:48] <InvisibleRasta> !prize N9NU
• 565[04:03:48] * dpkg gives N9NU a beer.
• 566[04:03:57] <N9NU> ! accepted
• 567[04:04:00] <InvisibleRasta> no medal for you mate
• 568[04:04:00] <N9NU> oops
• 569[04:04:03] <N9NU> oops
• 570[04:04:18] <N9NU> !me accepted
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• 572[04:04:35] <N9NU> damn...long time since i used IRC
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• 574[04:04:45] <sney> you probably want /me
• 575[04:04:53] <N9NU> like 15 YRS
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• 577[04:04:56] <InvisibleRasta> sney, no thank you i do not want you
• 578[04:04:58] <N9NU> yeah
• 579[04:05:08] <InvisibleRasta> but ty for the offer
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• 586[04:07:53] <sney> Akuw_: iw list ; you may need to install the 'iw' package. the output is pretty verbose but the info is there
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• 588[04:09:08] <N9NU> thats what i needed for my WiFi AC adapter in my lappy
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• 590[04:10:17] <Akuw_> HT Max RX data rate: 300 Mbps
• 591[04:10:37] <Akuw_> bitrates
• 592[04:10:40] <Akuw_> ; 54.0 Mbps
• 593[04:10:42] <Akuw_> max
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• 596[04:12:00] <Akuw_> but does not show ieee standard
• 597[04:12:22] <Akuw_> when i measure dsl speed the max is 64 Mbps
• 598[04:12:48] <Akuw_> why command show --> HT Max RX data rate: 300 Mbps
• 599[04:13:28] <sney> wifi max speed and wifi actual speed are not usually equal
• 600[04:13:45] <sney> there are a lot of factors to consider. signal quality, distance, interference etc
• 601[04:14:10] <Akuw_> in another computer i am getting 802.11ac what can provide 1.3 Gbit/s
• 602[04:14:55] <Akuw_> yes, but both computers are using 5Ghz, but i guess this is older and does not have 802.11 ac
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• 604[04:15:08] <Akuw_> so i need to see what IEEE standard use
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• 608[04:16:38] <sney> that functionality was removed with WEXT in the 4.7 kernel. you can try searching the model number of your wifi adapter instead, or see 'iw interface link' for details of your actual connection
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• 610[04:17:35] <sney> where interface = your actual device name. for me it's wlp4s0
• 611[04:18:59] <Akuw_> rx bitrate: 300.0 MBit/s MCS 15 40MHz short GI and tx bitrate: 270.0 MBit/s MCS 14 40MHz short GI
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• 613[04:19:18] <Akuw_> but it is not givin more that 64
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• 615[04:19:41] <Akuw_> but computer near this is giving 235Mbps
• 616[04:21:06] <sney> that's just what the hardware is capable of. you still have radio to consider :)
• 617[04:21:21] <sney> not every wifi nic is created equal, and the antennas etc vary in quality too
• 618[04:22:29] <N9NU> can i ask someone a favor and allow me to upload a 400MB file so i can see if something is working.....via direct here
• 619[04:23:41] <N9NU> u can delete it right afterwards. im just verifying my setup here
• 620[04:23:51] <Akuw_> i can
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• 623[04:24:04] <N9NU> ok great.
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• 625[04:24:13] <Akuw_> upload where
• 626[04:24:22] <Akuw_> using what
• 627[04:24:32] <N9NU> i wanted to directly up load to you via DCC
• 628[04:24:36] <N9NU> another user here
• 629[04:24:42] <Akuw_> ok
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• 631[04:25:16] <annadane> totally_not_a_virus.exe
• 632[04:25:30] <N9NU> no...please...its a TrueNAS image
• 633[04:25:33] <N9NU> ill ussswe
• 634[04:25:39] <Akuw_> send man
• 635[04:25:40] <N9NU> u can canel after 400MB
• 636[04:25:40] * sney vaguely imagines the hoops he would have to jump through to even make dcc work with his setup
• 637[04:25:56] <N9NU> exactly...thats why i am trying
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• 641[04:26:36] <FSF-GNU-Soldier> I would recommend a live OS with no hard disks attached when receiving something from someone - even that is risky. QubesOS probably a better idea in this case - or just dont do it.
• 642[04:26:53] <N9NU> quebsOS
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• 644[04:27:02] <N9NU> im just testing mny throughput
• 645[04:27:21] <FSF-GNU-Soldier> by sending something to someone else directly?
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• 647[04:27:37] <N9NU> im seing what i get throuh DCC
• 648[04:27:57] <sney> at least with dcc the recipient is still required to own themselves by running a malicious attachment, if it is one, before any RCE can occur
• 649[04:27:57] <N9NU> yes....how else if no one will do it
• 650[04:28:21] <trek00> FSF-GNU-Soldier: without a gui or an indexing service, there is no risk receiving a file under linux, if you don't execute it
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• 652[04:28:49] <N9NU> yeah...geez...not all are wishing to do harm lol
• 653[04:29:16] <N9NU> if your a truer linux user you should know how to deal with it if it was anyways
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• 655[04:29:34] <FSF-GNU-Soldier> not a security expert but you are still allowing remote traffic to flow into your network.
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• 657[04:30:19] <sney> yeah, let's not bother with any of that "true linux user" crap, but also I wouldn't accept this dude's file even if I *did* have dcc working
• 658[04:30:20] <trek00> FSF-GNU-Soldier: this is what your browser usually does many times per second :)
• 659[04:30:29] <sney> just upload it to file.io or something
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• 663[04:31:14] <N9NU> lol that paranoid eh
• 664[04:31:21] <N9NU> undertstood
• 665[04:31:49] <FSF-GNU-Soldier> @trek00 yep I know that, but I would not trust some random person on IRC sending me stuff.
• 666[04:32:14] <N9NU> ill find someone
• 667[04:32:23] <annadane> well that sounds threatening.
• 668[04:32:33] <N9NU> omg lol
• 669[04:32:43] <annadane> it will become coronavirus 2: electric boogaloo
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• 672[04:33:02] <N9NU> ok....someone send me something
• 673[04:33:03] <sney> plus your test is nonsense. checking throughput between your computer and some random other endpoint on another part of the planet? what useful information does that even give you?
• 674[04:33:03] <dvs> heh
• 675[04:33:22] <N9NU> i wrote my own python script
• 676[04:33:38] <sney> just pick a file upload service (they're all in datacenters with practically unlimited pipes) and test it with that
• 677[04:33:48] <N9NU> to do some amateur radio things
• 678[04:33:50] <trek00> FSF-GNU-Soldier: i would fear a lot more allowing javascript on my browser, because it will run on my machine, instead of downloading a file
• 679[04:33:56] <N9NU> something you wouldnt understand
• 680[04:34:30] <N9NU> yeah i have tested via http/ftp
• 681[04:34:38] <FSF-GNU-Soldier> @trek00 script blockers and (wish I could) just use QubesOS disposable VMs
• 682[04:34:39] <N9NU> the WHOLE POINT IS VIA DCC
• 683[04:34:54] <sney> then find someone in your community to test it with.
• 684[04:34:54] <N9NU> so i can use my script with others
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• 688[04:36:16] <N9NU> ya know..thats a good idea. why didnt i think of that. i know. i didnt think everyone would be so uptight
• 689[04:36:32] <trek00> FSF-GNU-Soldier: yeah, it's just to say that download a file is far more secure than usual web browsing
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• 694[04:39:16] <trek00> N9NU: i can install ircii if you want to test
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• 696[04:39:30] <N9NU> ur just as vulnerable being online in the first place
• 697[04:39:56] <N9NU> na its ok....no biggie. ill find another radio op
• 698[04:40:07] <trek00> just installed :)
• 699[04:40:13] <N9NU> okay :)
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• 713[04:51:16] <liqgdja> any bean
• 714[04:51:27] <liqgdja> turn powe on intellij update /sys/kernel/debug/vgaswitcheroo/switch
• 715[04:51:28] <liqgdja> ?
• 716[04:52:07] <liqgdja> acc pvt
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• 718[04:52:31] <liqgdja> echo nano fail
• 719[04:52:36] <sney> what?
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• 721[04:53:30] <liqgdja> echo on|DynPwr fail update /sys/kernel/debug/vgaswitcheroo/switch
• 722[04:53:38] <liqgdja> any idea?
• 723[04:53:55] <liqgdja> not priority
• 724[04:54:03] <liqgdja> only on|DynPwr
• 725[04:54:13] <sney> it's not clear what you're asking.
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• 727[04:54:32] <liqgdja> what u dunno understood?
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• 729[04:54:56] <sney> !what
• 730[04:54:57] <dpkg> What package are you having trouble with? What did you do? What happened? What did you expect to happen?
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• 737[05:03:30] <annadane> !ask
• 738[05:03:30] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
• 739[05:03:46] <annadane> liqgdja, ^ you don't have to follow that exact template but it may give you an idea of how to ask a more coherent question
• 740[05:03:47] <CeMiTeRy> hello big fellas
• 741[05:03:55] <annadane> describe what your goal is and what you're trying to do
• 742[05:04:46] <annadane> liqgdja, or, if your native language is not english, perhaps we can find a chatroom or mailing list where you can ask
• 743[05:05:03] *** Parts: CeMiTeRy (~CeMiTeRy@replaced-ip) ()
• 744[05:05:06] <annadane> if that's easier for you
• 745[05:05:21] <themill> #debian-br exists, for instance
• 746[05:07:56] <liqgdja> annadane simple turn nouveau flip this file /sys/kernel/debug/vgaswitcheroo/switch
• 747[05:09:04] <annadane> do you want to use nouveau instead of nvidia?
• 748[05:09:28] <annadane> i guess i'm asking, what is it you want to accomplish?
• 749[05:10:04] <sney> vgaswitcheroo is an optimus thing, I think
• 750[05:10:28] <liqgdja> wanna enable nouveau
• 751[05:10:47] <liqgdja> my /sys/kernel/debug/vgaswitcheroo/switch
• 752[05:10:54] <liqgdja> 0:IGD:+:Pwr:0000:00:02.0
• 753[05:10:54] <liqgdja> 1:DIS: :DynOff:0000:01:00.0
• 754[05:11:21] <liqgdja> means enable DIS
• 755[05:11:41] <annadane> okay, well, in general to enable nouveau you don't have to mess with files in /sys
• 756[05:12:12] <annadane> but if it's optimus... i don't really know how that works
• 757[05:12:31] <annadane> the way you generally do it is update-alternatives --config glx, and then you select mesa-diverted and reboot
• 758[05:13:00] <liqgdja> 1:DIS: :DynOff:0000:01:00.0 , means what?
• 759[05:13:13] <annadane> no idea, maybe someone else knows
• 760[05:13:44] <liqgdja> nouveau freedesktop description discrete turn off
• 761[05:14:01] <liqgdja> my sysinfo nouveau loaded
• 762[05:15:06] <annadane> in general, linux provides command line tools such that except for a few things in the file hierarchy, like /etc and some others, you don't need to edit them directly and can just use the tools
• 763[05:15:46] <annadane> once you start directly editing things, it can cause problems, and it's the case that to switch to nouveau there's a simpler way to do it
• 764[05:15:54] <liqgdja> i think 1:DIS: :DynOff:0000:01:00.0 means graphics throughtput
• 765[05:16:12] <liqgdja> display
• 766[05:17:17] <liqgdja> Uploaded file: replaced-url
• 767[05:17:23] <liqgdja> OFF: The device is powered off
• 768[05:17:23] <liqgdja> ON: The device is powered on
• 769[05:17:31] <liqgdja> DynOff: The device is currently powered off but will be powered on when needed
• 770[05:17:31] <liqgdja> DynPwr: The device is currently powered on but will be powered off when not needed
• 771[05:17:41] <annadane> this is why it's a good idea to, when you ask for technical support, state your goal ("i want to switch to nouveau") and then #debian can tell you the simplest way to do that; instead of trying to guess the correct solution on your own
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• 773[05:17:56] <liqgdja> freedesktop print A power state
• 774[05:18:08] <annadane> now, if this is optimus, i don't have experience with that so maybe someone else knows what's going on
• 775[05:18:26] <liqgdja> annadane ok thx
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• 777[05:19:37] <annadane> if you, as root, "update-alternatives --config glx" and there's a mesa option i would suppose that's how you do it
• 778[05:19:55] <annadane> unless someone else knows better
• 779[05:20:32] <karlpinc> There's also dpkg-reconfigure
• 780[05:21:12] <karlpinc> But that's not really an update-alternatives alternate.
• 781[05:21:22] <annadane> update-alternatives and dpkg-reconfigure are powerful, simplistic tools, and it means you don't have to edit files in /sys that could break your system
• 782[05:22:13] <annadane> /etc is directly editable and meant to be because it's where configuration files live, /boot sometimes, and certain things in /lib or /usr/lib, i forget; but basically if you're not sure what you're doing you should ask first before trying things yourself
• 783[05:23:01] <annadane> so i would say, try the command i gave, if mesa is available, select it, and then reboot for the changes to take effect
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• 785[05:23:16] <trek00> may be this help? replaced-url
• 786[05:23:45] <annadane> optimus may also just mean you need to select the intel card instead of nvidia
• 787[05:23:48] <annadane> i wouldn't know
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• 789[05:24:33] <liqgdja> annadane yes
• 790[05:25:27] <liqgdja> annadane my point of view simply using startx steam://whatelseidgame -- :1.1
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• 793[05:25:48] <liqgdja> annadane should work
• 794[05:25:48] <annadane> that doesn't give a lot of information
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• 796[05:26:18] <liqgdja> annadane even missing prime|optimus(nvidia)
• 797[05:26:23] <annadane> anyway, i think we answered your question? go ahead and try it
• 798[05:26:29] <liqgdja> primusrun|optirun
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• 800[05:26:53] <liqgdja> annadane almos there, i keep searching
• 801[05:26:56] <liqgdja> annadane thx
• 802[05:27:02] <annadane> if you're a steam gamer i'd think you *wouldn't* want nouveau, because it's worse... but whatever
• 803[05:27:41] <liqgdja> annadane ok, someone give a try :P
• 804[05:28:04] <liqgdja> trek00 i read
• 805[05:28:07] <liqgdja> trek00 thx
• 806[05:28:34] <trek00> liqgdja: it should be better to use the proprietary driver for nvidia, replaced-url
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• 808[05:28:46] <liqgdja> karlpinc i installed glx-diversions from debian repo
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• 812[05:30:55] <annadane> by the way, why do you want to use nouveau?
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• 814[05:31:40] <liqgdja> annadane gaming performance
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• 816[05:31:59] <trek00> liqgdja: nouveau is bad for performances
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• 818[05:32:06] <annadane> ^^^^^
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• 820[05:32:10] <annadane> unfortunately.
• 821[05:32:12] <trek00> liqgdja: nvidia is not ready for opensource drivers
• 822[05:32:31] <liqgdja> trek00 yep
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• 824[05:32:54] <liqgdja> annadane nvidia is not ready for opensource drivers
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• 826[05:33:01] <liqgdja> annadane unfortunately.
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• 830[05:33:13] <annadane> yeah, don't need to tell me.
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• 832[05:33:19] <annadane> i'm well aware of nvidia's shortcomings
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• 834[05:33:31] <liqgdja> trek00 unfortunately.
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• 837[05:34:01] <annadane> we have a parrot in #debian
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• 840[05:34:19] <trek00> liqgdja: luckily debian support nvidia closed source drivers
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• 844[05:35:01] <liqgdja> trek00 optional sup, yes
• 845[05:35:07] <liqgdja> trek00 not every gamer
• 846[05:35:11] <annadane> what i would do instead of what you were doing, is to read trek00's link replaced-url
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• 848[05:35:25] <annadane> that may be able to help you with game performance
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• 852[05:37:15] <annadane> the kernel from backports can also help with gaming performance, if you want
• 853[05:37:19] <annadane> depends on your system
• 854[05:37:33] <annadane> but i'd be simple about things first, don't try to do a million things at once
• 855[05:37:57] <liqgdja> what is it means backports?
• 856[05:38:06] <annadane> !debian backports
• 857[05:38:06] <dpkg> backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <buster backports>) and oldstable (<stretch backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read replaced-url
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• 859[05:38:21] <annadane> basically newer versions of packages compiled for use in debian stable
• 860[05:38:25] <annadane> taken from debian testing
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• 862[05:39:31] <liqgdja> annadane good
• 863[05:40:24] <annadane> although again i don't think you should necessarily do that right away; you should work on getting things working on optimus and seeing how the game runs, and if it's fine and to your satisfaction you don't need to do anything else
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• 865[05:41:25] <liqgdja> annadane my listproviders indentify two equals name: modesetting
• 866[05:41:43] <liqgdja> annadane ealy debian install were diff
• 867[05:41:55] <liqgdja> annadane intel nouveau
• 868[05:42:13] <liqgdja> debian stable
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• 872[05:45:58] <liqgdja> outputsource <- throughtput
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• 874[05:46:57] <liqgdja> intel(display&&||streamprocessor) <- nouveau(gpu)
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• 877[05:47:19] <annadane> okay, well, again, i don't know very much about optimus
• 878[05:47:26] <annadane> i'd just read the debian wiki link
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• 880[05:47:38] <liqgdja> ntel(display) <- nouveau(gpu$$||streamprocessorTOO))
• 881[05:47:50] <liqgdja> annadane ok ok
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• 883[05:48:04] <annadane> and perhaps if you want to be better understood, type what you want in your native language, put it in a translator back to english, it may be easier to express your thoughts
• 884[05:48:25] * annadane wishes debian had better non-english support
• 885[05:48:31] <liqgdja> annadane OKOK
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• 889[05:49:31] <liqgdja> outputsource << throughtput
• 890[05:49:49] <liqgdja> thx
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• 894[05:51:07] <annadane> god i hope i did an okay job
• 895[05:51:21] <annadane> it's confusing when people start being like that
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• 897[05:51:37] <trek00> :)
• 898[05:51:40] <annadane> "read this link" "ok, but here's a million other pieces of information"
• 899[05:51:41] <Gryllida> what was their first language?
• 900[05:51:45] <annadane> dunno
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• 906[05:52:44] <annadane> but one reason i've been editing dpkg's factoids to include mailing lists for things like !es !fr !it and so on is that those irc channels for non english speakers barely have anyone in them
• 907[05:52:47] <annadane> it's harder to get support
• 908[05:53:04] <annadane> it's still a mess in general and those factoids need a broad overhaul
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• 924[05:54:48] <annadane> one main issue being, when dpkg says to join say an italian support irc channel, it doesn't necessarily specify the network, some are on freenode, i suspect most are on oftc, but dpkg exists on both networks, so...
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• 928[05:55:00] <annadane> i'd have to really go through with a fine tooth comb and fix any inconsistencies
• 929[05:55:08] <annadane> which includes checking if those channels even still exist
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• 931[05:55:18] <annadane> it would be nice to have support so i don't have to do it all myself
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• 934[05:56:35] <annadane> someone will come into #debian, ask a non english question, have someone go !fr or whatever and the channel has 8 people in it
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• 936[05:56:41] <annadane> whereas mailing lists probably have a lot more
• 937[05:56:51] <annadane> so i find it's crucial to always include mailing lists in those factoids
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• 944[05:58:37] <annadane> i got most done, but had to stop at !es and haven't continued since, because that's a locked factoid for whatetever reason
• 945[05:58:44] <annadane> but like,
• 946[05:58:45] <annadane> !it
• 947[05:58:46] <dpkg> Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. - debian-italian@lists.debian.org
• 948[05:59:08] <annadane> so there's a mailing list, but, it doesn't specify the network you need to be on to join #debian-it
• 949[05:59:12] <annadane> most debian channels are on oftc
• 950[05:59:17] <annadane> but the bot should specify that
• 951[05:59:39] <annadane> i'll get it done "eventually" but it will involve some work and just take me time to do it all on top of my laziness
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• 955[06:01:28] <trek00> annadane: we are all lazy, or we never programmed computers to do things for us :)
• 956[06:02:11] <annadane> dondelelcaro, can you please message me when you get a chance? thank you
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• 958[06:03:10] <annadane> dondelelcaro, it concerns dpkg
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• 976[06:13:17] <lwp> annadane, !es is not locked, it is actually redirected to !spanish, which you may edit
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• 978[06:14:08] <annadane> oh, it isn't? awesomw
• 979[06:14:09] <annadane> e
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• 981[06:14:34] <annadane> i may work on this tomorrow, then
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• 985[06:16:22] <lwp> see replaced-url
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• 1003[06:29:22] <annadane> dondelelcaro, never mind
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• 1062[07:19:46] <jrg> works fine in macos using the same config but the override in tmux isn't allowing screen-256color
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• 1179[08:38:38] <__marco> Morning. I did upgrade pip from pip itself, not using apt, and it installed in /usr/local/lib/... instead of /usr/lib/...
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• 1181[08:39:15] <__marco> Do you know why? Is this another specificity of Debian?
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• 1189[08:41:13] <themill> __marco: You shouldn't be trying to upgrade anything that is in a package and that includes pip. If you need newer python tools then work inside a virtualenv
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• 1191[08:42:13] <__marco> themill: let's suppose I know what I am doing
• 1192[08:42:21] <themill> good luck with that
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• 1197[08:42:51] <han-solo> why you you need to upgrade a system pip ? # just curious
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• 1205[08:43:40] <__marco> han-solo: it is a docker image for our app
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• 1207[08:44:11] <han-solo> __marco: and you want to upgrade python2 pip ? provided by the system ?
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• 1210[08:44:36] <__marco> han-solo: so updating system tools for me is not a big issue. Also python3
• 1211[08:44:47] <__marco> python3 pip, yes
• 1212[08:44:48] <themill> Don't install the system tools at all then
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• 1216[08:46:29] <liqgdja> anycast try linux|modules exclusive apm?
• 1217[08:46:45] <__marco> I usually use a two step procedure for this kind of job. create a base image with pinned version of the tools I need, and from this install our app. I think I just have to adapt a bit my procedure
• 1218[08:47:17] <__marco> themill: for example I was creating the venv in the second step, but installing pip in the first one
• 1219[08:47:59] <__marco> but inconsistency, or maybe consistency in Debian, was on which version of pip was used inside the venv, always the system version
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• 1225[08:49:21] <han-solo> if python3, then you can do `python3 -m venv .env` # you likely need the `python3-venv` package installed prior to that for the ven to work
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• 1230[08:49:46] <themill> pip is trying desperately to prevent you from creating a completely broken python stack on the machine
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• 1262[08:52:19] <han-solo> themill: the python3 pip won't be in the usual install right ? You need to explicitly install it, right ?
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• 1290[08:53:56] <han-solo> `apt install python3-pip python3-venv && python3 -m venv .env && .env/bin/pip install -U pip` # is a fine, workflow, i guess ?
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• 1303[08:56:45] <__marco> han-solo: yes sure. From a very high level I am doing this, but because how I split the operation in two steps, I wanted to change the order of commands, first updating pip and then creating the venv
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• 1305[08:57:23] <themill> You wouldn't even use python3-pip because the -whl package would be used for you inside the venv
• 1306[08:57:27] <__marco> but I think it does not really matter and I can do that in the first step and use the natural order
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• 1319[08:59:24] <han-solo> themill: i am just trying to understand. What do you mean by -whl package would be used inside the venv ?
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• 1323[09:00:07] <themill> ,i python-pip-whl
• 1324[09:00:08] <judd> Package python-pip-whl (python, optional) in buster/amd64: Python package installer. Version: 18.1-5; Size: 1553.4k; Installed: 1933k; Homepage: replaced-url
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• 1327[09:01:06] <han-solo> ,i python3-pip-whl
• 1328[09:01:07] <judd> No package named 'python3-pip-whl' was found in buster/amd64.
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• 1331[09:01:29] <themill> there's no need for separate python2 and python3 versions of the wheel
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• 1335[09:02:09] <han-solo> Okay
• 1336[09:03:25] <themill> it's basically just a pile of zip files of modules that pip uses and the python code inside the wheels is all py2+py3 code. venv copies all these wheels in as a starting point for you
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• 1341[09:04:25] <themill> ,ifile /usr/share/python-wheels/*.whl
• 1342[09:04:28] <themill> ,file /usr/share/python-wheels/*.whl
• 1343[09:04:32] <judd> Search for /usr/share/python-wheels/*.whl in buster/amd64: [truncated] python-pip-whl: usr/share/python-wheels/CacheControl-0.11.7-py2.py3-none-any.whl, usr/share/python-wheels/appdirs-1.4.3-py2.py3-none-any.whl, usr/share/python-wheels/certifi-2018.8.24-py2.py3-none-any.whl, usr/share/python-wheels/chardet-3.0.4-py2.py3-none-any.whl, usr/share/python-wheels/colorama-0.3.7-py2.py3-none-any.whl,
• 1344[09:04:33] <judd> usr/share/python-wheels/distlib-0.2.8-py2.py3-none-any.whl, usr/share/python-wheels/distro-1.3.0-py2.py3-none-any.whl, usr/share/python-wheels/html5lib-1.0.1-py2.py3-none-any.whl, usr/share/python-wheels/idna-2.6-py2.py3-none-any.whl, usr/share/python-wheels/ipaddress-0.0.0-py2.py3-none-any.whl, usr/share/python-wheels/lockfile-0.12.2-py2.py3-none-any.whl, usr/share/python- (2 more messages)
• 1345[09:04:35] <themill> etc
• 1346[09:04:46] <han-solo> Okay
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• 1349[09:05:37] <han-solo> I need to test something. Not sure why explicitly installed python3-pip...
• 1350[09:06:25] <luna_> replaced-url
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• 1363[09:12:39] <jrg> Well then.
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• 1365[09:12:42] <jrg> replaced-url
• 1366[09:13:04] <jrg> So pretty. Debian has some older stuff in its repo.
• 1367[09:13:32] <jrg> The build in the repo doesn’t support true color for tmux or mosh.
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• 1382[09:21:01] <judd> Backporting package tmux in sid→buster/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: debhelper-compat (= 12).
• 1383[09:21:23] <jm_> looks like you could easily test newet tmux with buster
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• 1385[09:21:28] <jm_> newer*
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• 1451[10:18:40] <han-solo> themill: yeah, it looks like you don't need to install python3-pip # atleast in buster
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• 1501[10:49:35] <sk_> hi
• 1502[10:49:41] <luna_> hey
• 1503[10:49:42] <klys> hi~
• 1504[10:50:05] <sk_> i am using debian 9 and i have problem with pdf reader
• 1505[10:50:21] <klys> is it xpdf ?
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• 1508[10:50:44] <sk_> no it is okular pdf reader by kde team
• 1509[10:51:19] <klys> perhaps you should also try #kde
• 1510[10:51:49] <sk_> when i try to lookup any word in goldendictionary by using shortcut ctrl+c+c not popup word show up
• 1511[10:52:31] <sk_> but evince pdf reader support this hotkey
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• 1515[10:54:26] <ZaZaGX> I just ordered dennys
• 1516[10:54:41] <sk_> #okular and #kde not reply
• 1517[10:55:13] <klys> sk_ have you been in those two channels since yesterday
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• 1519[10:55:56] <kts> sk_: It's still like that in buster.
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• 1524[10:58:48] <sk_> how can i file bug report to okular team any suggestion
• 1525[10:58:49] <Haohmaru> i didn't like any of those pdf viewers, qpdfview ftw
• 1526[10:58:58] <Haohmaru> but i don't know if it has what you want
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• 1535[11:00:52] <luna_> sk_: KDE BugZilla maybe
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• 1537[11:01:04] <luna_> replaced-url
• 1538[11:01:07] * luna_ guesses
• 1539[11:01:14] <Haohmaru> he ran out
• 1540[11:01:19] <luna_> ouch
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• 1542[11:03:06] <xormor> what would be an interesting free video game for Debian, preferably medieval fantasy, or a role playing game?
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• 1544[11:03:33] <ZaZaGX> i use KDE because it feels nolgastic when i first used it as a kid
• 1545[11:04:15] <ratrace> xormor: Westnoth, Dwarf Fortress
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• 1571[11:18:55] <robito> so apparently i messed up updating my Debian system by going straight from 8 to 10.3... now i seem to be having problems updating/booting a new kernel (4.19 from 3.14) anyone know if i should maybe try install 4.9 or something else? its a remote server so kinda hard to tell exactly whats happening at boot time
• 1572[11:19:37] <f8e4> sometimes i wonder what machines will look like if configured by machines. no chars no char encodings, local settings, no keyboards displays, all the slow cumbersome stuff bs, assume: some high performant cpu thingy that just calculates, no hassle with driver etc, just pure performant code
• 1573[11:20:03] <f8e4> its a wet yet cold dream
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• 1575[11:23:08] <jm_> robito: probably first find out what exactly is the problem before making an even bigger mess out of it
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• 1589[11:32:29] <bigPeck> ALERT:COVID-19 here | THIS CHAN HAS SMALL DICK NRG
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• 1593[11:32:31] <bigPeck> COVID FREE
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• 1663[11:53:44] <f8e4> :D
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• 1669[11:57:49] <Allainn> robito dmesg can give you boot messages
• 1670[11:58:19] <robito> ooh ok good thinking, thanks Allainn
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• 1672[11:59:49] <ratrace> ehh... that assumes the server is fully booted and running and you can ssh into it and type `dmesg` .
• 1673[12:00:31] <grafdiffuzor> hi ) is anyone using globalprotect on Debian? I'm getting 'Cannot connect to local gpd service.' after host restart. It was working right after install (via dpkg -i). systemctl reports gpd service as running.
• 1674[12:00:50] <ratrace> robito: if I understood you correctly, you can't even boot into the new kernel'd OS. For that, the only thing you can do is KVM/IPMI in and see the console
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• 1705[12:08:37] <robito> ratrace, ah ok is that possible over the network
• 1706[12:08:46] <robito> id imagine there'll be some setup process
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• 1716[12:13:57] <ratrace> robito: yes. and if that's a rented server, then your hosting company probably has that set up already. KVM over IP or some kind of IPMI access
• 1717[12:14:51] <robito> ok cool i'll look into it so, theyre not normally great for support so worst case i might have to just reinstall
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• 1721[12:15:44] <ratrace> robito: if you can (as in, you have proper backups in place), reinstallation is probably the fastest way out of this
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• 1727[12:19:29] <robito> ah i can backup stuff no bother, just a lot of bandwith if i have to move it from the server to another one... probably no chance a reinstall by my ISP will leave my /home
• 1728[12:19:30] <robito> directory alone, right?
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• 1739[12:25:33] <ratrace> robito: so you have no proper backups _already_ in place?
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• 1744[12:25:46] <robito> i have important stuff yeah
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• 1746[12:26:05] <robito> but ideally id want everything thats on the server, which is close to 2TB
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• 1750[12:27:36] <ratrace> You know what they say. There are only two groups of people on the planet. Those who do proper backups, and those who never had a failure :)
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• 1752[12:28:09] <robito> yup i hear that!
• 1753[12:28:44] <fuxxy> when writing bash scripts, is the "then" really necessary when writing an if;then statement?
• 1754[12:29:26] <fuxxy> I feel like I should be able to qualify the 'if', and go straight to writing the resulting code if the statement is true
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• 1758[12:31:29] <ratrace> fuxxy: how does the interpreter know you're done with all the "if" arguments?
• 1759[12:31:58] <inch> You could write "test something && ( some commands )" but that if not exactly same as if testi something ; then some commands ; fi
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• 1761[12:32:18] <inch> s/if/is/
• 1762[12:32:24] <fuxxy> hmm. Good points. I've only used a single qualifier so far
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• 1767[12:34:00] <ratrace> you can even shorthand the "test" with [ (which is a /bin/[ executable btw!)
• 1768[12:34:16] <ratrace> [ -f /some/file ] && echo "This file exists"
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• 1773[12:35:17] <fuxxy> that's what I"m currently using; if [ ! -f somefile ]
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• 1777[12:37:19] <fuxxy> looks like I need to use braces
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• 1779[12:37:39] <ratrace> fuxxy: thing is [ being a binary has exit code, do you're essentially running if <some command with exit code that mimics [ .. ]> ; then ...
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• 1781[12:37:52] <ratrace> *so you're
• 1782[12:38:12] <inch> The difference is that when using if-then-fi, the result of the if block is true even the condition is false. But when using [ condition ] && foo, result might be true or false.
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• 1784[12:38:35] <ratrace> it's easy to think that if [ ... ] is shell syntax native, it's not. it's if <some command with exit code> meaning you can also run without if: [ -f /some/file ] && "It lives!"
• 1785[12:38:56] <ratrace> I hate shell... :)
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• 1788[12:39:59] <inch> And by result I mean $? afterwards.
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• 1842[13:04:58] <at0m> mzajc: can you switch to tty using "Ctrl + Shift + num" now? Cos by default that would be Ctrl-Alt-F[1-..]
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• 1866[13:13:30] <rain1> does debian have zoom?
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• 1868[13:13:47] <Haohmaru> ,v zoom
• 1869[13:13:48] <judd> No package named 'zoom' was found in amd64.
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• 1871[13:13:59] <dvs> apparently so, but not in the debian repos
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• 1875[13:14:39] <rain1> i wonder if its safe if its not the repos
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• 1877[13:14:51] <rain1> the browser extension version wants access to accounts.google
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• 1910[13:25:36] <ekh> Hello. How do packages get named? I don't understand why `bat` is called everywhere (that i've seen) as `bat` but in debian-based distro it is called `batcat`
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• 1919[13:29:15] <ratrace> ,v batcat
• 1920[13:29:16] <judd> No package named 'batcat' was found in amd64.
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• 1923[13:29:36] <ratrace> !debian based
• 1924[13:29:36] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
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• 1931[13:32:14] <ekh> ,v bat
• 1932[13:32:15] <judd> Package: bat on amd64 -- sid: 0.12.1-1
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• 1938[13:32:42] <ekh> ratrace: i installed that one, from debian unstable repo
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• 1943[13:34:04] <ekh> ratrace: replaced-url
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• 1946[13:36:05] <afx_> Hello everyone ! is there a tool for ubuntu to compare pdf files ignoring whitespace ? I have tried DiffPDF but there is no option for whitespace , so for example if a paragraph moves then you can't actually compare files
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• 1949[13:37:53] <ratrace> !ubuntu
• 1950[13:37:54] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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• 1971[13:53:55] <mrte> afx_, try to use pdf2text or pdftotext (or txt) i always confuse them and then a tool like meld
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• 1977[13:54:46] <mzajc> at0m: my bad, I typed the wrong thing. I actually meant Ctrl + Alt + num.
• 1978[13:56:07] <afx_> mrte: let me check
• 1979[13:56:52] <afx_> mrte: is this meld replaced-url
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• 1983[13:57:49] <jm_> mzajc: it's ctrl-alt-<function key num> not ctrl-alt-<num>
• 1984[13:58:16] <jm_> afx_: meld is a graphical diff tool, there are many similar tools available
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• 1987[13:59:51] <afx_> thank you both !
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• 1992[14:01:56] <jm_> you can just as well use diff if you want something simple
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• 2000[14:07:21] <afx_> i would like to be able to ignore whitespace if possible , or better yet ignore rearranged text
• 2001[14:07:27] <afx_> * i would like to be able to ignore whitespace if possible , or better yet ignore rearranged text jm_
• 2002[14:08:16] <jm_> afx_: tried using diff -b?
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• 2005[14:09:36] <afx_> let me try jm_
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• 2008[14:11:21] <jelly> ekh, first come first serve, if a different package shipped /usr/bin/bat before bat's package happened, the later package would have to change the binary name (or Conflicts: with the other one)
• 2009[14:11:32] <jelly> judd, file bin/bat
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• 2011[14:11:37] <judd> Search for bin/bat in buster/amd64: bareos-bat: usr/bin/bat; bacula-console-qt: usr/sbin/bat
• 2012[14:12:30] <ekh> jelly: If i don't intend to user the other package ever, is there a way to force batcat into bat?
• 2013[14:13:00] <afx_> jm_: comparing two pdf files gives me `pdf files differ`
• 2014[14:13:04] <afx_> no output though
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• 2016[14:13:23] <jm_> afx_: yeah the idea is to use pdf2txt or whatever, and then diff that :)
• 2017[14:13:48] <afx_> sorry didnt get that 🙂 jm_
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• 2022[14:16:11] <fuxxy> in a bash script, is there a simplish way to take a version string "1.15.2" and separate it into $major $minor $revision variables?
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• 2024[14:16:44] <Haohmaru> time before regex is suggested: 3.. 2.. 1..
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• 2026[14:17:12] <fuxxy> yeah, I know
• 2027[14:17:20] <fuxxy> apparently I can use the pattern
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• 2029[14:17:36] <fuxxy> shortversion=${packversion%.*}
• 2030[14:17:37] <ekh> why not cut?
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• 2034[14:18:19] <jm_> fuxxy: the simplest way is to set your own IFS and then rely on built-in splitting
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• 2062[14:35:40] <joepublic> version strings often look like 1.15.2-beta2 or 1.15.2rc-7
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• 2091[14:48:15] <chutiyaa> wassup guys
• 2092[14:48:44] <chutiyaa> anybody up?
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• 2103[14:53:33] <ratrace> we're all ddddd down.... down with the sicknessss! replaced-url
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• 2105[14:53:48] <dvs> you're disturbed!
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• 2108[14:54:33] <chutiyaa> hi guys
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• 2110[14:54:45] <chutiyaa> can you suggest me some good channels
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• 2117[14:56:15] <phogg> chutiyaa: I like the Discovery channel.
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• 2119[14:56:28] <cybercrypto> chutiyaa: good for what?
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• 2123[14:58:15] <chutiyaa> @cybercrypto computer and pentesting related
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• 2130[15:01:13] <antivirys> hello
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• 2134[15:01:48] <antivirys> last night i came across a weird info i want to know what it means?
• 2135[15:02:04] <antivirys> Mar 31 23:38:53 rtfm ntpd[2649]: Deleting interface #26 vmnet1, 172.16.13.1#123, interface stats: received=0, sent=0, dropped=0, active_time=218783 secsMar 31 23:38:53 rtfm ntpd[2649]: Deleting interface #27 vmnet8, 172.16.111.1#123, interface stats: received=0, sent=0, dropped=0, active_time=218783 secsMar 31 23:38:53 rtfm ntpd[2649]: Deleting
• 2136[15:02:04] <antivirys> interface #30 vmnet1, fe80::250:56ff:fec0:1%17#123, interface stats: received=0, sent=0, dropped=0, active_time=217868 secsMar 31 23:38:53 rtfm ntpd[2649]: Deleting interface #31 vmnet8, fe80::250:56ff:fec0:8%18#123, interface stats: received=0, sent=0, dropped=0, active_time=217868 secs
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• 2139[15:02:34] <boss_nigga> hello antivirys
• 2140[15:02:46] <antivirys> hello
• 2141[15:02:51] <boss_nigga> @antivirys new to community?
• 2142[15:02:57] <antivirys> yes
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• 2144[15:03:09] <boss_nigga> from america?
• 2145[15:03:26] <antivirys> no
• 2146[15:03:58] <boss_nigga> so from where then?
• 2147[15:04:14] <antivirys> Bulgaria
• 2148[15:04:16] <antivirys> why man
• 2149[15:04:20] <Haohmaru> boss_nigga what's your question?
• 2150[15:04:37] <antivirys> Mar 31 23:38:53 rtfm ntpd[2649]: Deleting interface #26 vmnet1, 172.16.13.1#123, interface stats: received=0, sent=0, dropped=0, active_time=218783 secsMar 31 23:38:53 rtfm ntpd[2649]: Deleting interface #27 vmnet8, 172.16.111.1#123, interface stats: received=0, sent=0, dropped=0, active_time=218783 secsMar 31 23:38:53 rtfm ntpd[2649]: Deleting
• 2151[15:04:38] <antivirys> interface #30 vmnet1, fe80::250:56ff:fec0:1%17#123, interface stats: received=0, sent=0, dropped=0, active_time=217868 secsMar 31 23:38:53 rtfm ntpd[2649]: Deleting interface #31 vmnet8, fe80::250:56ff:fec0:8%18#123, interface stats: received=0, sent=0, dropped=0, active_time=217868 secs
• 2152[15:04:46] <antivirys> what it means?
• 2153[15:04:48] <boss_nigga> just asking man, i am from india
• 2154[15:05:37] <antivirys> :)
• 2155[15:05:39] <Haohmaru> antivirys context?
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• 2159[15:06:18] <Haohmaru> huh
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• 2166[15:07:48] <luca__> :kwcspjD
• 2167[15:07:50] <luca__> ÙODPSJKVZPEÙJKF*AÉZEP;GK
• 2168[15:07:50] <luca__> E$VG
• 2169[15:07:51] <luca__> $vb
• 2170[15:07:53] <luca__> $ERP⁾VBR$ZEQAER
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• 2176[15:10:43] <InvisibleRasta> pastebinit package is half broken in buster
• 2177[15:11:21] <InvisibleRasta> replaced-url
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• 2182[15:19:14] <jm_> already reported #931489
• 2183[15:19:15] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 2202[15:31:53] <untakenstupidnic> which package provides the boost/xpressive?
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• 2252[16:09:08] <wwilliam> systemv is one whats the name of the old one?
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• 2259[16:13:06] <Allainn> wwilliam I think System V is one branch of Unix and BSD another one
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• 2264[16:14:41] <wwilliam> Can you install systemctl on a systemv server?
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• 2292[16:28:24] <jelly> wwilliam, systemd and systemctl works only on Linux
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• 2299[16:36:44] <trek00> wwilliam: you can use service instead of systemctl
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• 2303[16:39:36] <jelly> wwilliam, if you're talking about init systems on Debian, sysvinit is the component you're thinking of. Its name means "init that works like the init on System V Unixes"
• 2304[16:40:23] <jelly> the software does not actually come from any System V unix. It's a separate implementation.
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• 2327[16:54:09] <goncalo_LX> hi everyone! I'm using Debian and I need some help related to the tor network. I've been using ARM to run a tor relay, but since they update it to NYX i'm having some dificulties related to the configuration. NYX doesn't have that inicial and simple configuration that ARM used to have... Can someone explain to me, in normal person language, how to correctly run that tool? Thanks in advance...
• 2328[16:54:09] <goncalo_LX> (i'm at work, so i'll give a feedback to your answers as soon as possible...)
• 2329[16:54:24] <usney> can you upgrade to debian to testing just by changing the repo in /etc/apt/sources.list?
• 2330[16:54:42] <usney> debian 10 to testing I mean.
• 2331[16:55:11] <sponix2ipfw> usney: pretty sure the process is documented. want me to google that for you ?
• 2332[16:55:41] <sponix2ipfw> "Debian 10 stable to testing" might be a good search phrase
• 2333[16:56:16] <sponix2ipfw> replaced-url
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• 2337[16:58:32] <goncalo_LX> thanks. I like linux based os's but i admit that i'm a preety low tech at solving problems at linux, sometimes they changed things that work very well and sudently stop working like they should
• 2338[16:59:28] <goncalo_LX> i will try to solve the problem
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• 2343[17:01:25] <goncalo_LX> i try the same thing in ubuntu that is based on debian testing (i think) but i have the same problem
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• 2346[17:01:41] <karlpinc> goncalo_LX: That's the thing about testing. It stops working sometimes.
• 2347[17:01:52] <karlpinc> goncalo_LX: If you want something that just keeps working, run stable.
• 2348[17:02:06] <sponix2ipfw> !sid
• 2349[17:02:06] <dpkg> sid is probably the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that when it breaks, you get to keep ALL the pieces!!
• 2350[17:02:18] <sponix2ipfw> that pretty well tells you how it goes
• 2351[17:02:33] <goncalo_LX> yes, i agree... but the debian distro is stable and i start having this issue
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• 2355[17:04:04] <goncalo_LX> before debian 10, we used to have ARM program to control TOR relay, but with debian 10, thei chagne it to NYX, what besides a simply change of name, the software isnt that good anymore
• 2356[17:04:44] <trek00> goncalo_LX: nyx should be a newer version of arm, which issues do you have?
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• 2359[17:06:36] <goncalo_LX> 1st of all, that inicial menu that configures all the basics with a simple steps disapeared. i believe that some changes in torrc fixes the problem, but that is for advanced users... i dont understand why the programmer remove that funtionality
• 2360[17:06:48] <goncalo_LX> linux things ;)
• 2361[17:06:51] <karlpinc> goncalo_LX: Have you read the README.Debian? It might help.
• 2362[17:06:54] <karlpinc> !readme.debian
• 2363[17:06:54] <dpkg> README.Debian (or README.Debian.gz) is a document found in the /usr/share/doc/$packagename/ which explains any Debian specific details in the package's operation or configuration.
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• 2369[17:07:58] <goncalo_LX> i will try to solve the problem
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• 2380[17:14:54] <trek00> goncalo_LX: the configuration editor should be included with nyx
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• 2392[17:24:24] <usney> Is it necessary to overwrite SSD or flash drives before encrypting them? I notice debian did this before I did an install on a swindle drive.
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• 2394[17:26:06] <karlpinc> usney: Depends on the threat model.
• 2395[17:26:42] <karlpinc> usney: You probably don't want to use more than 80% of a ssd/flash unless it's of "enterprise quality", or else you get write amplification.
• 2396[17:26:52] <karlpinc> usney: So I always leave unpartitioned space.
• 2397[17:27:37] <karlpinc> usney: If you write random numbers to the device you're going to encrypt then an attacker can't tell the difference between data and not-data. So they have to attack the whole device, not just the data.
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• 2483[18:31:48] <tertu> hi, i'm setting up kdump right now, and I'm trying to figure out how much ram to reserve for it (I have 16GB of ram, i'm running linux 5.4.0)
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• 2485[18:32:54] <tertu> (it's not on this machine btw, it's another machine where it seems like the current state of things once the machine panics is bad enough that it isn't able to print out the panic messages on the console)
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• 2487[18:33:18] <tertu> though previously I got kdump to come up, but it then wasn't actually able to dump anything
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• 2489[18:34:24] <trek00> tertu: at least 128MB
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• 2493[18:34:56] <tertu> i think that's what it had last time i had kdump running.
• 2494[18:35:11] <tertu> that suggests to me maybe the issue isn't the amount of memory kdump has...
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• 2496[18:35:52] <tertu> that or i had it misconfigured
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• 2511[18:41:12] <tertu> apologies, i haven't used Konversation in a while
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• 2523[18:50:52] <trek00> tertu: i can't help you with kdump, may be someone will reply
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• 2541[19:01:03] <cybercrypto> tertu: I've read your messages, but I am not confortable replying about kdump.
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• 2560[19:09:18] <dacencora> Hey guys. Not getting any luck finding this on the wiki. What's the best way to downgrade a specific package on Debian? I want alsa to be >=1.1.6
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• 2562[19:09:21] <dacencora> Is that possible?
• 2563[19:09:49] <trek00> downgrade?
• 2564[19:10:20] <karlpinc> dacencora: I hear that you can enable a repo from an older release and sometimes then install a specific package from that release. I suppose it depends on the package.
• 2565[19:10:36] <wnws> buster has 1.1.7, but why you're messing with alsa?
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• 2567[19:10:44] <karlpinc> dacencora: But maybe you should tell us what you're really trying to accomplish.
• 2568[19:10:45] <annadane> i guess first of all you should determine whether you really do need an older version
• 2569[19:11:00] <jelly> dacencora, which alsa package are you trying to downgrade and which debian release are you using?
• 2570[19:11:04] <dacencora> Ok I have done this on other distros to great success
• 2571[19:11:17] <trek00> dacencora: but why?
• 2572[19:11:42] <jelly> dacencora, ALSA is split into a dozen binary packages.
• 2573[19:11:44] <dacencora> One of the newer ALSA releases breaks MIDI sounds on WINE. When I use 1.1.6, it's amazing
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• 2576[19:12:36] <jelly> dacencora, is there a freely available windows app to reproduce this?
• 2577[19:13:07] <jelly> like a small visual novel or a midi player or something
• 2578[19:13:12] <dacencora> I can't remember which specific release it was, but it was either 1.1.7 or 1.1.8, anyways, when I tried it on my install of Debian Buster, I couldn't get sound via wine
• 2579[19:13:23] <dacencora> Hold on, I can find one
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• 2582[19:14:04] <dacencora> Try this: replaced-url
• 2583[19:14:16] <jelly> dacencora, and what are you using to render MIDI, fluidsynth? timidity?
• 2584[19:14:21] <dacencora> When I tried that before with alsa > 1.1.6, the sound did not work
• 2585[19:14:24] <jelly> actual midi hardware? :-)
• 2586[19:14:32] <dacencora> Neither fluidsynth nor timidity worked
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• 2590[19:15:06] <dacencora> It may be easier to diagnose with DOSBOX as it tells you more specifically what's going on than a random WINE executable, but either should work fine
• 2591[19:15:17] <jvwjgames> Hello how can I make a custom centos image to install on computers
• 2592[19:15:36] <jvwjgames> Sorry I mean debian
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• 2594[19:15:55] <jelly> dacencora, does fluidsynth work on its own with a linux native midi player?
• 2595[19:16:02] <dacencora> Yep
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• 2598[19:16:21] <dacencora> And even linux-native DOSBOX works correctly, if I remember right
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• 2600[19:16:35] <dacencora> Just not Windows executables with MIDI sound
• 2601[19:16:40] <jelly> fun. Also I just noticed I don't have access to Debian 10 with a sound card that I can listen to right now
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• 2603[19:17:39] <dacencora> I use Gentoo on my daily driver, and it was pretty trivial to downgrade and keep the package downgraded. I wonder if it would be best to just uninstall alsa via apt/dpkg and then try and find 1.1.6 .deb or source and use it that way
• 2604[19:17:56] <jelly> ,v libasound2
• 2605[19:17:57] <judd> Package: libasound2 on amd64 -- jessie: 1.0.28-1; stretch: 1.1.3-5; buster: 1.1.8-1; bullseye: 1.2.2-2.1; sid: 1.2.2-2.1
• 2606[19:18:07] <jelly> hmph.
• 2607[19:18:17] <dacencora> Oh ok yes it was 1.1.8 that broke it
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• 2609[19:18:35] <dacencora> I remember reading a bunch of forum posts from various distros when I was trying to solve the issue
• 2610[19:18:40] <dacencora> I can't find them now
• 2611[19:18:48] <jelly> lemme see if adding stretch repos and downgrading just the library is feasible
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• 2614[19:19:46] <jelly> of source if it's not the main library but something else then it's going to be fun
• 2615[19:19:51] <jelly> s/source/course/
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• 2620[19:22:17] <aleph-> Hmm, I have a service that when is upgraded by apt seems to be set to dead and doesn't restart. Is there a specific place I should check? Managing it with systemd and there's nothing different in my service file. So I'm wondering if there's something off in apt.
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• 2622[19:23:00] <ratrace> aleph-: which package? doesn't sound like something done by default in debian
• 2623[19:23:17] <aleph-> Custom service my company packages
• 2624[19:23:38] <aleph-> I've done a diff of our packaging scripts and nothing had changed there either
• 2625[19:23:45] <ratrace> then you should ask the maintainer of that package. debian packages only manage the "vendor" defaults under /lib/systemd/
• 2626[19:23:50] <jelly> dacencora, 32bit wine?
• 2627[19:24:09] <dacencora> jelly: I feel like it didn't change anything, but I can't remember
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• 2629[19:24:24] <ratrace> aleph-: in other words, check with the maintainer that they're not messing up /etc/systemd/ via installed files or maintainer scripts
• 2630[19:24:38] <jelly> dacencora, add back stretch sources, and pastebin output of: apt-get -s install libasound2:i386=1.1.3-5 libasound2-data=1.1.3-5 libasound2:amd64=1.1.3-5 libasound2-dev=1.1.3-5 libasound2-plugins/stretch
• 2631[19:24:44] <jelly> !stretch sources.list
• 2632[19:24:44] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
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• 2634[19:25:14] <aleph-> ratrace: I have a service file for the package I place in /etc/systemd/
• 2635[19:25:29] <ratrace> aleph-: yes, but the package must not do that
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• 2637[19:26:09] <jelly> dacencora, the -s is a dry-run (no act) option, I want to see if that's going to remove any packages on your particular buster package set
• 2638[19:26:25] <jelly> dacencora, after downgrading, you can use
• 2639[19:26:27] <jelly> !hold
• 2640[19:26:28] <dpkg> hold is a status flag that tells the package manager to not automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package 'echo $package hold|dpkg --set-selections' or 'aptitude hold $package'. Note that prior to <stretch> "aptitude hold" is ignored by other package managers and aptitude won't necessarily use holds set with dpkg; see Debian bug #137771. See also <hold list>, <unhold>.
• 2641[19:26:29] <aleph-> Yes? The package itself doesn't place a service file, I manually place one via our config management system
• 2642[19:26:59] <aleph-> Nothing is different there either. It's restarting fine on 40~ hosts
• 2643[19:27:02] <ratrace> aleph-: then how does upgrading the package affect it
• 2644[19:27:08] <dacencora> jelly: ok let me see and try that
• 2645[19:27:12] <dacencora> I will get back to you
• 2646[19:27:38] <dacencora> Currently the only debian install I have is bullseye, but the steps would likely be the same, yes?
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• 2648[19:28:08] <trek00> dacencora: may be apt doesn't know it needs to restart that service?
• 2649[19:28:23] <dacencora> trek00: I think you meant to respond to aleph
• 2650[19:28:31] <trek00> sorry :)
• 2651[19:28:41] <dacencora> trek00: no worries :)
• 2652[19:28:44] <trek00> aleph-: may be apt doesn't know it needs to restart that service?
• 2653[19:28:49] <jelly> dacencora, only if alsa packaging has not changed significantly
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• 2655[19:29:01] <dacencora> jelly: most likely hasn't
• 2656[19:29:05] <dacencora> At least from what I have seen
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• 2658[19:29:42] <jelly> buster: 1.1.8-1; bullseye: 1.2.2-2.1 that minor version number bump might mean an ABI bump as well. If that is the case you'll have to rebuild wine with older alsa manually
• 2659[19:29:57] <jelly> no package would save you there
• 2660[19:30:25] <dacencora> jelly: OK I will see. I don't think there is a ABI bump. At least not in Gentoo's case. I was able to downgrade from 1.2 to 1.1.6 with no changes to wine
• 2661[19:30:27] <jelly> debian changes package names when ABI changes
• 2662[19:30:39] <jelly> that's promising
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• 2665[19:31:11] <jelly> you might find 1.1.6 or 1.1.7 if you REALLY want one of those on
• 2666[19:31:13] <jelly> !snapshot
• 2667[19:31:14] <dpkg> replaced-url
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• 2670[19:31:36] <jelly> by picking a point in time when buster was still in testing
• 2671[19:31:53] <dacencora> jelly: no that's ok I'm sure. I just had 1.1.6 because that was the newest that Gentoo had that was older than 1.1.8
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• 2684[19:39:53] <ElDelfin> I have been trying for something around two weeks to achieve the impossible. To install an encrypted file system with a swapswapfile, but here's the rub: I don't want the stupidly small swapfile size the graphical installer defaults to
• 2685[19:39:56] <aleph-> trek00: Yeah I'm realizing it might've been a misconception on my part. Given on 40 hosts where I manually place a service file, on package upgrade via apt the service restarts while on two it does not.
• 2686[19:40:01] <ElDelfin> anyone know how to do it?
• 2687[19:40:05] <aleph-> Guess I need to check my assumptions and do some reading
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• 2689[19:40:23] <decadenza> Hello everyone. I just rebooted my system after lunch and I got a security boot fail message. I have already disabled secure boot with no luck. Any suggestions?
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• 2692[19:41:30] <decadenza> If I go to a shell login, I get incorrect login message.
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• 2694[19:42:49] <decadenza> even with correct credentials...
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• 2696[19:43:23] <greycat> perhaps you booted into a different operating system than you thought
• 2697[19:43:55] <decadenza> Nope, I only have Debian...
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• 2700[19:45:13] <decadenza> What should I check according to you? I entered via Live and everything seems alright. Checked log files for errors, found only something related to missing PAM files, nothing more.
• 2701[19:45:27] <tyzef> Hi all! I am using debian10lxqt and I get 2 issues... first is my conky blur on desk... second is I don't get how much I use data on my conky... thanks
• 2702[19:45:41] <decadenza> Reinstalled grub from live. Still no luck.
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• 2705[19:47:14] <Ede|Popede> tyzef: @ conky, when text is updated it gets blurred with time?
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• 2709[19:47:55] <tyzef> <Ede|Popede> yes fully blured
• 2710[19:48:23] <tyzef> <Ede|Popede> you got my issue I gues
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• 2714[19:49:36] <Ede|Popede> tynes: don't have it installed atm, but i've also seen this in the past. i think i fixed it with some OwnWIndow and Background stuff. can't remember how exactly, but i tried a lot while working on my layout
• 2715[19:49:46] <trek00> aleph-: usually prerm and postinst scripts are responsible to stop and start the service
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• 2717[19:51:13] <Ede|Popede> tynes: i also had to start it with Alt-F2 after login, with autostart it was hidden behind the wallpaper. i'm pretty sure the fix for the blur was the reason why this didn't work anymore
• 2718[19:51:22] <FSF-GNU-Soldier> @tyzef try another own_window_type like normal or override - I have seen/saved a long list of variables and config stuff, you can find it on the net somewhere. Don't understand what you mean by how much data used on conky - please clarify.
• 2719[19:51:27] <tyzef> I see Ede|Popede, well I will search again then, thank you for yor attention
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• 2721[19:52:29] <rocketmagnet> hi everonye
• 2722[19:52:35] <tyzef> FSF-GNU-Soldier I pay 4giga data internet, i need to see how I use during my session
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• 2724[19:52:41] <rocketmagnet> severonye/everyone/g
• 2725[19:52:49] <rocketmagnet> s/severonye/everyone/g
• 2726[19:52:51] <rocketmagnet> ...
• 2727[19:53:34] <trek00> hello
• 2728[19:53:42] <rocketmagnet> when i want to have apt-get update && apt-get upgrade be started at every reboot, how does i best manage this with debian 10 (add as start application?)?
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• 2732[19:54:45] <FSF-GNU-Soldier> @tyzef example for data usage: ${totaldown wlp5s1} - just replace the wlp5s1 with the interface you want to monitor
• 2733[19:54:46] <trek00> rocketmagnet: may be you can see if unattended-upgrades package is good for you
• 2734[19:54:50] <ice9> vbox guest additions is installed but bi-directional clipboard isnot working (linux host and guest), any idea?
• 2735[19:54:56] <tyzef> Ede|Popede yes I also think it's a wallpaper issue something like that... it's there on the web that type of problem, actually I installed Lxqt last night, hehe
• 2736[19:55:31] <kilobyte_ch> Hello, I'm trying to do unattended install of debian with virt-install. I use following command replaced-url
• 2737[19:55:56] <tyzef> FSF-GNU-Soldier yes ! please do you know how to get the name of the interface I am using right now to talk with you guys ?
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• 2740[19:56:25] <Ede|Popede> should be an irc client ;)
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• 2743[19:56:55] <FSF-GNU-Soldier> @tyzef - use "ip address" command to see interface names
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• 2747[19:58:29] <tyzef> thank you very much <FSF-GNU-Soldier> I got it !
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• 2749[19:58:39] <trek00> kilobyte_ch: may be this help? replaced-url
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• 2751[19:59:05] <tyzef> <Ede|Popede> haha!
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• 2753[19:59:11] <tharkun> rocketmagnet: Giving more facts about your problem can lead to better questions and solutions.
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• 2755[19:59:24] <rocketmagnet> i want secure automatic updates
• 2756[19:59:29] <rocketmagnet> tharkun: ^
• 2757[19:59:37] <sponix2ipfw> tyzef: if you want to know your data use per boot the easy way. gnome-system-monitor can do that
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• 2759[19:59:56] <greycat> !unattended-upgrades
• 2760[19:59:57] <dpkg> unattended-upgrades is probably a package for installing security upgrades automatically, unattended. See replaced-url
• 2761[19:59:59] <trek00> rocketmagnet: the package unattended-upgrades will update your system regularly
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• 2763[20:00:02] <rocketmagnet> there has been flaws with automatic updates so i think best is to check on every start if updates are needed
• 2764[20:00:30] <kilobyte_ch> trek00: thanks, but this article doesn't talk about unattended install
• 2765[20:00:35] <greycat> how is "checking" (how??) on "start" (of what??) better than unattended-upgrades?
• 2766[20:00:43] <rocketmagnet> trek00: and it's secure, what i've heard of automatic updates is that they can be faked and then you install stuff you don't want
• 2767[20:00:56] <greycat> ...
• 2768[20:00:57] <rocketmagnet> greycat: security
• 2769[20:01:03] <greycat> you're being stupid.
• 2770[20:01:06] <greycat> please stop being stupid.
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• 2772[20:01:20] <FSF-GNU-Soldier> @tyzef just take note that as far as I know it does not survive closing your session - if you log off and back in again it should reset counter - suspend keeps usage over that session even over multiple days.
• 2773[20:01:27] <tharkun> rocketmagnet: as greycat pointed out unattende-upgrades is the standard solution. If you want/need something different then maybe you will need to roll out your own workflow.
• 2774[20:01:27] <trek00> rocketmagnet: they can't be faked, every package is checked against valid signatures
• 2775[20:01:29] <rocketmagnet> i just know the current security standpoint of that decision
• 2776[20:01:44] <rocketmagnet> trek00: that sounds good
• 2777[20:02:03] <annadane> i have literally never heard that automatic updates can be faked
• 2778[20:02:04] <annadane> ever
• 2779[20:02:09] <annadane> i would love a source on that
• 2780[20:02:19] <rocketmagnet> it's already installed but it doesn't do any auto-updating
• 2781[20:02:28] <rocketmagnet> i've to update my self everytime
• 2782[20:02:35] <annadane> i don't *like* automatic updates because i want to see what's going on, but that's just a personal preference thing rather than a distrust of updates
• 2783[20:02:46] <trek00> rocketmagnet: shortly, for each package there is a sha256 checksum inside the Packages file that is signed with the public key of debian archive
• 2784[20:03:02] <tyzef> <FSF-GNU-Soldier> second issue is done ! thank you guys ! now need to fix the blurry
• 2785[20:03:06] <annadane> now if you're saying it doesn't physically work that's a different matter
• 2786[20:03:11] <rocketmagnet> trek00: thanks for clearing that up to me
• 2787[20:03:28] <rocketmagnet> annadane: in which way ?
• 2788[20:03:39] <tyzef> sponix2ipfw> I note it thank you very much , very good to know that
• 2789[20:03:47] <tharkun> rocketmagnet: How many instances of Debian are you running? What are your most critical services? Do you currently check the changelogs of those packages? Write down your answers and act accordingly.
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• 2791[20:03:55] <rocketmagnet> are there settings for this somewhere, maybe i've not set it to update automatically
• 2792[20:04:06] <Ede|Popede> rocketmagnet: depends what you want. one end is automatic update after reboot without any intervention, the other end is apt-get update and then apt-get upgrade (with && in between or check the package list)
• 2793[20:04:49] <trek00> rocketmagnet: may be dpkg-reconfigure unattended-upgrades
• 2794[20:04:49] <usney> thank you sponix2ipfw
• 2795[20:05:03] <usney> going to go offline see you later
• 2796[20:05:52] <Ede|Popede> rocketmagnet: and i wouldn't expect a package upgrade to bring in a ton of new dependencies. you may check them before initial install with the '-s' (simulate) option, if you don't want your new editor to install the whole Knome desktop, but that would be it.
• 2797[20:05:55] <rocketmagnet> tharkun: ty, it let me chose if i want to auto update or not, i hope it's now working
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• 2799[20:06:11] <tyzef> <FSF-GNU-Soldier> yes true it reset counter and I am used of it, thanks, I am fine with that !
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• 2804[20:07:23] <FSF-GNU-Soldier> @tyzef look for online documentation of variables for things like own_window_type + own_window_transparent + own_window ---try setting transparent to "no" and window type to "normal" or "override"
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• 2808[20:09:47] <tharkun> rocketmagnet: Good luck. Have a nice day and please, be safe.
• 2809[20:09:54] <tyzef> yes okay, Inot it, here it's 11:08pm I also not your name so if I find I will come here to mention if I got a soluce... I awill also inform you Ede|Popede ! Guys I really appreciate your help, thank you so much !
• 2810[20:10:08] <rocketmagnet> tharkun: what you mean by that?
• 2811[20:10:19] <hiya> I am using Debian 10 on my laptop, there is some grub issue.
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• 2813[20:10:53] <hiya> I use FDE and when I enter my password it just doesn't show any progress for a couple of secs and then randomly I see grub list
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• 2815[20:11:04] <hiya> so, is there some package I need to reinstall or fix something in the laptop bios?
• 2816[20:11:05] <tharkun> rocketmagnet: Take it at face value. No strings attached.
• 2817[20:11:33] <Ede|Popede> tyzef: good luck then!
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• 2822[20:13:24] <hiya> Did anyone understand the issue?
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• 2837[20:23:31] <lwp> hiya, doesn't look like an issue at all, to me
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• 2840[20:24:04] <hiya> lwp: what is it then? PureOS.net shows a proper text field box for FDE password and then when I press enter it shows progress
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• 2843[20:24:20] <hiya> But Debian is behaving so badly.
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• 2847[20:26:21] <hiya> lwp: my screen isn't like replaced-url
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• 2851[20:26:45] <hiya> That is the problem, I have been using FDE since couple of years now
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• 2857[20:28:10] <Akuw> can i install wifi drivers after debian install?
• 2858[20:28:27] <Akuw> or its mandatory to do it when install debian?
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• 2860[20:28:50] <dvs> Akuw, you can do it either way but it's eaiser to use the non-free installer
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• 2864[20:29:18] <Akuw> yes, but its possible to use non-free after install?
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• 2866[20:29:30] <dvs> yes
• 2867[20:29:33] <Akuw> ok
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• 2870[20:31:11] <colinmr> i have 2 issues with xfce
• 2871[20:31:22] <colinmr> first is it sometimes doesn't autolock the session properly, it's unlockable via re-pressing Ctrl+Alt+F7 on the login screen, which is a random behaviour (sometimes locks properly)
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• 2876[20:34:30] <lwp> !non-free sources
• 2877[20:34:30] <dpkg> Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «apt-get update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>.
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• 2885[20:38:24] <mzajc> I'm facing issues with ulimit (and /etc/security/limits.conf). I wanted to avoid not being able to switch to a tty in situations where the memory was filled, so I set a limit for my user account. The limit was working, but I still wasn't able to switch to a tty when I intentionally filled the memory (Xorg is running as root, I thought it was the one responsible for switching to a tty with Ctrl + Alt + function key?).
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• 2892[20:41:35] <greycat> process limits (memory and so on) are per process
• 2893[20:41:59] <hiya> lwp: I also find nothing wrong, just that when I enter password, it should something being entered and some progress post that
• 2894[20:42:04] <hiya> But I understand it won't
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• 2916[20:58:45] <ElDelfin> I did a minimal debian install: just tools, no desktop. Now, I'm trying to do a swapoff, but I can't find out what pkg it's in
• 2917[20:59:37] <ElDelfin> it says unrecognized cmd
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• 2920[21:02:04] <greycat> !buster su
• 2921[21:02:04] <dpkg> In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). To approximate the previous behaviour, put "ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes" in /etc/login.defs. See replaced-url
• 2922[21:02:23] <greycat> judd, file sbin/swapoff
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• 2924[21:02:27] <judd> Search for sbin/swapoff in buster/amd64: mount: sbin/swapoff
• 2925[21:02:42] <greycat> it's in the "mount" package, and I guarantee you already have it
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• 2933[21:06:21] <trek00> ElDelfin: may be you need to type: sudo swapoff
• 2934[21:06:59] <greycat> if it's truly a "minimal" install, sudo won't be there, so there is a strong chance they used buster's "su" without changing the config
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• 2941[21:09:49] * karlpinc likes minimal installs
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• 2950[21:13:00] <diverdude> is there some issue w. debian repos? replaced-url
• 2951[21:13:11] <trek00> karlpinc: me too but some package have too much depends that should relly be recommends
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• 2959[21:19:42] <annadane> deb.debian.org is a redirector so unfortunately i don't off-hand know how to fix it
• 2960[21:20:06] <annadane> you can i guess look at the mirrors in your country and manually select one
• 2961[21:21:54] <ElDelfin> i'll see if I can install mount. I believe sudo works, as well as su, but not swapoff. I'll have to disconnect to try. thx!
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• 2963[21:23:14] <tynes> does anybody know of a debian package that is written in javascript for node.js and includes native bindings?
• 2964[21:23:57] <dacencora> Hmm
• 2965[21:24:04] <tynes> looking for an example debian/rules file
• 2966[21:24:10] <dacencora> E: Unable to locate package libsdl2 on bullseye
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• 2968[21:24:33] <dacencora> But I can see it on packages.debian.org
• 2969[21:24:37] <dacencora> For bullseye
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• 2971[21:25:22] <annadane> ,v libsdl2
• 2972[21:25:23] <judd> No package named 'libsdl2' was found in amd64.
• 2973[21:25:50] <dacencora> I see. In debian repos it is specifically libsdl2-2.0-0
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• 2977[21:26:58] <annadane> yeah, makes sense
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• 2984[21:30:08] <trek00> tynes: may be node-cssom or libjs-cssom?
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• 2987[21:31:34] <tynes> trek00: both are written in pure js, thanks for the response
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• 2991[21:32:50] <trek00> tynes: with aptitude you can see the packages that depends on nodejs, may be you can find what you want
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• 2993[21:33:23] <tynes> trek00: awesome, will continue my search
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• 2995[21:33:24] <jk_> Greetings!
• 2996[21:33:26] <trek00> tynes: also apt rdepends nodejs
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• 3008[21:37:11] <mzajc> I'm facing issues with ulimit (and /etc/security/limits.conf). I wanted to avoid not being able to switch to a tty in situations where the memory was filled, so I set a limit for my user account. The limit was working, but I still wasn't able to switch to a tty when I intentionally filled the memory (Xorg is running as root, I thought it was the one responsible for switching to a tty with Ctrl + Alt + function key?).
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• 3013[21:38:15] <mzajc> Just figured out that ulimit is per-process. Is there any way to set up a limit per-account?
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• 3019[21:40:12] <trek00> mzajc: with cgroups
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• 3021[21:41:57] <lwp> mzajc, have you considered adding some swap ?
• 3022[21:41:58] <trek00> mzajc: you can create a memory cgroup with: mount -t tmpfs -o mode=755,nodev,nosuid,noexec tmpfs /sys/fs/cgroup; mkdir /sys/fs/cgroup/memory; mount -t cgroup -o memory cgroup /sys/fs/cgroup/memory; cgcreate -t username:usergroup -g memory:mycgroup; cgset -r memory.limit_in_bytes=2G -r memory.memsw.limit_in_bytes=2G mycgroup
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• 3025[21:42:40] <trek00> where username usergroup are your user and group
• 3026[21:42:50] <mzajc> I see. Looks like I was searching the wrong stuff when I last tried that.
• 3027[21:43:20] <trek00> then runs command with: cgexec -g memory:mycgroup command
• 3028[21:43:31] <mzajc> lwp: I don't exactly want to put swap on my 256 gb ssd, and it's pretty slow on my hdd
• 3029[21:43:37] <trek00> they will be confined in a 2GB memory cgroup
• 3030[21:43:47] <mzajc> hmm
• 3031[21:44:04] <mzajc> is there a way to confine my entire user slice into a cgroup automatically?
• 3032[21:44:47] <trek00> mzajc: you can do: cgexec -g memory:mycgroup bash and then start what you want (startx too)
• 3033[21:45:22] <trek00> may be there are some systemd tools to do it, but i don't know
• 3034[21:45:42] <mzajc> confining startx is about what I'm looking for, but that would also confine x itself
• 3035[21:46:05] <mzajc> which would be a problem if I it ran out of memory, since it's the thing that handles tty switching as far as I know
• 3036[21:46:11] <dacencora> jelly: the install went through, but I can't get dpkg to hold libasound2-plugins/stretch
• 3037[21:46:39] <trek00> mzajc: if you launch applications from a panel, you can start only this panel inside the cgroup
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• 3039[21:47:11] <dacencora> If I just do echo "libasound2-plugins hold" then apt list --upgradeable still shows libasound2-plugins as a candidate for upgrade
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• 3041[21:47:37] <dacencora> And if I try and add the /stretch piece, it tells me it's illegal
• 3042[21:48:18] <trek00> mzajc: or you can cgexec startx and then use cgclassify to move out X11
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• 3044[21:48:41] <jk]]> Hi I'm runnung deb-buster-gnome. This thing is hella bloated with all the default software/games you get installed. Is there a quick way to purge all this bloat and only have like firefox and bare essentails left?
• 3045[21:49:02] <mzajc> I see. I'll try the cgclassify thing.
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• 3048[21:50:29] <mzajc> jk]]: do you mean the default gnome installation from the debian installer?
• 3049[21:50:50] <jk]]> yes. default from installer
• 3050[21:51:43] <mzajc> take a look at gnome's dependencies with apt-cache depends gnome
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• 3052[21:52:27] <mzajc> the actual gnome is gnome-core, you're probably good to uninstall most of the rest
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• 3056[21:52:52] <dacencora> OK how can I keep the asound2-plugins version on hold from the stretch repos and not update to the current version from bullseye?
• 3057[21:53:11] <kilobyte_ch> Is there a cloud-init "NoCloud" Debian Version available? Would that be the debian-10-nobutt-amd64-20200210-166.qcow2?
• 3058[21:53:37] <mzajc> dacencora: install the package from stretch and run apt-mark hold asound2-plugins
• 3059[21:53:50] <dacencora> I am running debian-bullseye, and I have asound2-plugins installed from stretch and I want to keep that, but dpkg --set-selections asound2-plugins hold is not working
• 3060[21:54:08] <dacencora> mzajc: is apt-mark different from dpkg --set-selections?
• 3061[21:54:11] <annadane> i think i've seen that you can apt purge gnome* but i'm unsure about that, though, if this is a brand new installation you may as well just reinstall
• 3062[21:54:16] <annadane> and install gnome-core on the new machine
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• 3064[21:54:37] <mzajc> dacencora: I don't think so. Worth a shot nevertheless.
• 3065[21:55:00] <annadane> the intuitive thing is to say "well just remove gnome-games" but unfortunately that in gnome also removes half the system, last i checked, though i'm unclear on a lot of these details and i'm kind of out of my depth here
• 3066[21:55:07] <jk]]> I'll just run through the list of depends and unistall useless stuff
• 3067[21:55:19] <jk]]> thanks mzajc
• 3068[21:55:21] <mzajc> probably your best bet
• 3069[21:55:23] <trek00> dacencora: dpkg set-selection will be overwritten on the first run, use apt-mark
• 3070[21:55:24] <mzajc> you're welcome
• 3071[21:56:05] <dacencora> trek00 and mzajc weird. E: Unable to locate package asound2-plugins
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• 3073[21:56:14] <dacencora> From apt-mark
• 3074[21:56:24] <mzajc> huh
• 3075[21:56:28] <mzajc> do you actually have it installed?
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• 3077[21:56:38] <dacencora> I thought so
• 3078[21:56:47] <dacencora> Why would it be eligible for upgrade?
• 3079[21:57:40] <dacencora> And yes apt install libasound2-plugins/stretch confirms it is installed
• 3080[21:57:57] <mzajc> then you should mark that, not asound2-plugins
• 3081[21:58:11] <dacencora> Same result from apt-mark
• 3082[21:58:48] <trek00> dacencora: the correct name is libasound2-plugins
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• 3084[21:59:00] <dacencora> That is what I have been using
• 3085[21:59:22] <dacencora> Oh wait I see
• 3086[21:59:24] <dacencora> Sorry my bad
• 3087[21:59:43] <trek00> dacencora: just for curiosity, why you don't want to upgrade alsa plugins?
• 3088[22:00:05] <dacencora> trek00: issues with WINE and MIDI output
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• 3090[22:00:46] <dacencora> Ok so results from apt-mark hold libasound2-plugins: libasound2-plugins was already set on hold
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• 3092[22:00:54] <mzajc> shouldn't wine bullseye be compatible with bullseye packages?
• 3093[22:01:05] <mzajc> not even gonna question it, that's pretty wine-like
• 3094[22:01:09] <dacencora> But it still shows up on apt list --upgradeable
• 3095[22:01:20] <mzajc> try upgrading
• 3096[22:01:23] <trek00> dacencora: probably you need to mark as hold libasound2 too and others dependent packages
• 3097[22:01:27] <mzajc> it should specify it as "held back"
• 3098[22:01:30] <dacencora> I did mark all of them
• 3099[22:01:45] <dacencora> This is the only package that isn't getting held
• 3100[22:01:50] <mzajc> apt list --upgradeable will also list held-back packages as far as I know
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• 3102[22:02:21] <trek00> dacencora: it shows as upgradeable, but this not mean ti will upgrade them
• 3103[22:02:25] <dacencora> The alsa issue isn't specific to the versions of wine available in stretch vs. buster vs. bullseye
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• 3105[22:03:22] <dacencora> OK just running apt install -s upgrade confirms it will not upgrade it
• 3106[22:03:28] <dacencora> :) So no harm, no foul
• 3107[22:03:28] <mzajc> I usually use wine tarballs because of stuff like that ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
• 3108[22:03:45] <dacencora> mzajc: I think it was actually alsa that broke the compatibility
• 3109[22:03:49] <mzajc> the constant notification in apt update is kinda annoying, though
• 3110[22:03:51] <mzajc> huh
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• 3112[22:03:58] <mzajc> now that's something
• 3113[22:04:30] <dacencora> Yeah there were a bunch of forum posts back when alsa 1.1.8 released across a bunch of distro forums
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• 3115[22:04:53] <dacencora> I think it's sort of a niche thing, I doubt there are many users who want MIDI sound via wine
• 3116[22:05:07] <dacencora> So probably why it doesn't come up more often
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• 3119[22:05:28] <trek00> dacencora: this should be reported as a bug
• 3120[22:05:38] <dacencora> trek00: which part?
• 3121[22:05:49] <trek00> dacencora: to alsa maintainers
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• 3123[22:06:13] <dacencora> Oh ok. I can try and scrounge up more information on the subject
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• 3125[22:06:31] <trek00> dacencora: may be in the future it will be no more possible to hold with that old alsa lib
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• 3127[22:06:45] <dacencora> trek00: that's very true
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• 3129[22:06:59] <dacencora> Runnning into that situation on another distro already
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• 3131[22:09:48] <trek00> dacencora: it's only midi or the whole audio?
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• 3143[22:16:35] <dacencora> trek00: MIDI only
• 3144[22:17:25] <trek00> dacencora: if you have links, send me i'm curios :)
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• 3150[22:20:00] <trek00> dacencora: may be are you using pulseaudio?
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• 3288[23:47:30] <soft_cement> Has anyone here had a bad experience with the new "predictable" network interface names being less than predictable? e.g. the device ens3 should stay as ens3 when a new card is added, but does not
• 3289[23:48:12] <greycat> Yes. Yes, we have.
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• 3291[23:48:51] <greycat> Any change in hardware, not even just restricted to network interfaces, can cause the firmware to reassign device numbers, which changes their "predictable" names. Firmware updates can also change names.
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• 3293[23:49:17] <soft_cement> is that a bug or a feature?
• 3294[23:49:26] <soft_cement> is it documented anywhere?
• 3295[23:49:29] <greycat> If this is an issue, you're encouraged to create systemd.link(5) files to assign your own names.
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• 3298[23:49:52] <soft_cement> I will look into that. Thanks!
• 3299[23:50:00] <greycat> Yes, it's documented at replaced-url
• 3300[23:50:30] <trek00> once udev had rules to assign always the same name to the same mac address
• 3301[23:50:35] <greycat> also the bottom of replaced-url
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