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4 [00:00:46] <walterve_> I have Debian 9.3 installed over a
Macbook MacBookPro11,1
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9 [00:03:39] <walterve_> everything is working fine
10 [00:04:10] <walterve_> but I can't say the same for the
audio
11 [00:04:16] <walterve_> even audio via bluetooth
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23 [00:11:34] <asterismo_l> vlt, are you there? ping me when you
are available
24 [00:11:35] <awal1> trying to find a good usb wifi adapter
with support for 5ghz freq. any suggestion?
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28 [00:12:56] <awal1> supported by debian (I mean firmware
available in main, contrib or non-free)
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87 [00:47:42] <mframe> is there a favorite video card for debian
users that supports 4k but isnt for "gaming" ?
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91 [00:51:10] <tobiasBora> Hello,
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98 [00:54:42] <tobiasBora> Here is the issue: I want to run nix
on a non-root user to install stuff in my lab. This package manager
needs only one thing: an accessible /nix folder. The thing is that
I'm not root on the device, so I use proot to "fake"
this /nix folder. But proot has an overhead in term of efficiency,
so I was thinking to switch to user mount namespace... But I
can't find any documentation on it. So first, if namespace
99 [00:54:44] <tobiasBora> is available in the kernel, is it
indeed a good solution? If yes, how can I check that the mount
namespace is enabled? And lastly, how can I use it to mount, say
/home/me/mynix into /nix and fake it in a bash run that will install
nix and setup the good paths?
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129 [01:11:16] <jimmy_> hey guys I'm baack
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134 [01:13:01] <jimmy_> so, the kernel upgrade (4.9.0-0-5-686-pae
was the only one available in my backports) didn't help. I
tried removing pulse, alsa still only had a beep, now I uninstalled
alsa, reinstalled pulse and pulse recognizes an input device but no
output :(
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146 [01:19:37] <descuidado> i know this is very specific, but im
using xfce on debian, and uh, this might sound dumb but everytime i
try to change the setting of my clock, the clock just doesnt save
it, and doesnt show up at all
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148 [01:20:11] <jimmy_> brb ill help when I get back
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188 [01:44:48] <jimmy_> descuidado
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190 [01:44:57] <jimmy_> still there"
191 [01:44:59] <jimmy_> ?*
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196 [01:48:22] <jimmy_> rip
197 [01:48:29] <jimmy_> anyone else have ideas?
198 [01:48:40] <jimmy_> I have a realtek alc880 sound card
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202 [01:51:09] <RoyK> jimmy_: does lshw/dmidecode see it?
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208 [01:58:48] <jimmy_> I've got an audio device for
Intel(R) Azalia Audio Device
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265 [02:33:34] <lisa61095> What kind of problems does it cause to
go from debian stable directly to unstable? What are the benefits of
doing stable -> testing -> unstable instead of just directly
upgrading from stable -> unstable?
266 [02:33:53] <abrotman> the kind of problems one sohuld be able
to solve when one runs Unstable ..
267 [02:35:57] <lisa61095> abrotman: That's a pretty useless
answer. Sometimes when you don't know an answer, or aren't
willing to take the time to explain it's best to just stfu and
let someone else answer in a way that is informative or helpful.
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270 [02:37:32] <abrotman> That's just about the correct
answer. What sort of problems would you expect when running
unstable? Packages may break, dependecy issues, missing data, life
without X ...
271 [02:37:42] <bazhang> lisa61095, unstable means you are fully
ready to fix broken/unstable things
272 [02:37:48] <abrotman> I said that!
273 [02:37:55] <bazhang> you did!
274 [02:38:04] <abrotman> Oh, I'm supposed to STFU because
I'm a clueless person or something
275 [02:38:05] <lisa61095> i am aware of what unstable means.
that's not what I asked
276 [02:38:07] <bazhang> just backing you!
277 [02:38:09] <hakerx1> or cause serius issues for os in
general...
278 [02:38:39] <lisa61095> I asked specifically what are the
benefits of upgrading to testing first, vs. directly to unstable
279 [02:38:48] <abrotman> lisa61095: You can go directly if you
choose, the problems aren't likely to be much worse, barring
some current issue in unstable
280 [02:38:50] <bazhang> lisa61095, the issues are nummerous if
that's your question
281 [02:39:50] <lisa61095> bazhang - I'm just trying to
understand what they are, because most of the guides I've found
say to do testing first, then upgrade from there to unstable.
I'm not doubting that this is the correct way, I'm just
trying to understand why (I don't like blindly following
instructions)
282 [02:40:19] <abrotman> you might want to check
release.debian.org/transitions/ before starting to see if any
additional pain might be under way
283 [02:40:20] <hakerx1> commonse is required in this scenario
...
284 [02:40:29] <abrotman> Oh crap, I'm so bad at this STFU
thing
285 [02:40:44] <bazhang> lisa61095, I believe there is channel
that is all about that, see the topic here
286 [02:42:28] <abrotman> lisa61095: FWIW, I've been using
Debian for ~20 years, and I'd probably go with a minimal
stable, upgrade straight to unstable, and then deal with the
aftermath.
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288 [02:44:07] <lisa61095> abrotman, bazhang: Thanks
289 [02:44:16] <lowpro> If testing and unstable are just naming
conventions for more or less tested software, it should be hard to
predict what issues one will have by definition
290 [02:44:23] <abrotman> Tjt
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292 [02:44:26] <abrotman> That's correct
293 [02:44:34] <lisa61095> Again, I'm not asking what issues
I would have with unstable.
294 [02:44:40] <abrotman> a lot of it is luck of the draw
295 [02:45:04] <annadane> if a user is willing to and is aware of
take the risks then it can be good for people to run unstable so
there's bug reports
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301 [02:46:18] <lisa61095> I was asking what issues one would
have with upgrading from stable -> unstable that one would NOT
have when upgrading from stable -> testing -> unstable. I am
not asking about general problems that one might run into with
unstable. I already know this. I am only asking about the upgrade
process.
302 [02:46:56] <abrotman> I answered, in multiple ways
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304 [02:47:13] <lisa61095> Yes, you did.
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306 [02:47:47] <bazhang> no telling what general problems, as
everyone has different rigs
307 [02:48:34] <annadane> it's a very polarizing topic, some
people feel unstable is fine for daily desktop use (assuming backups
are kept, etc)
308 [02:48:44] <annadane> just don't stick it on your server
309 [02:49:44] <lisa61095> I expect to run into problems with
unstable. I am doing it both to help with the project (testing,
filing bug reports, etc) and for later software versions. I have
just seen over and over again in various guides that one should
upgrade to testing first, and from there to unstable. But I
haven't found anywhere that actually explains why.
310 [02:49:45] <abrotman> You can run it on a server, a) have
backups, b) don't put it on the internet :)
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312 [02:50:45] <abrotman> lisa61095: a lot of that depends on how
close testing/unstable are at that moment. Testing hasn't
frozen yet for buster's release, and testing/unstable should be
relatively close.
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314 [02:51:25] <abrotman> as a release nears, testing/unstable
drift a part .. Unstable becomes slushy, while testing freezes ..
315 [02:51:36] <annadane> (i run sid.)
316 [02:51:46] <annadane> (badly.)
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332 [03:03:32] <jimmy_> I just wish debian would play nice with
my soundcard
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334 [03:03:57] <jimmy_> I don't want to have to install a
new OS again, it's getting old
335 [03:04:51] <dvs> What isn't Debian doing?
336 [03:04:58] <jimmy_> my sound card
337 [03:05:04] <jimmy_> realtek alc880
338 [03:05:29] <dvs> !alc880
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340 [03:05:50] <klys> ~alc880
341 [03:05:51] <jimmy_> recognizes input device but only dummy
output device
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344 [03:06:46] <jimmy_> aplay -l
345 [03:06:46] <jimmy_> **** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices
****
346 [03:07:15] <jimmy_> I've tried sooooooooo many things at
this point, I'm pretty burnt out
347 [03:07:25] <klys> jimmy_ that would have a little to do with
debian, and a lot to do with your kernel. look up kernel support for
your card and check your config against avilable options.
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349 [03:08:00] <jimmy_> the computer recognizes that it's
attached, I even have hda_intel and hda_realtek
350 [03:08:15] <jimmy_> hda_codec_realtek **
351 [03:08:34] <jimmy_> but for whatever reason alsa and/or pulse
will not recognize it
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354 [03:09:10] <klys> you can load modules, except they are
perhaps not working as advertised. make sure your drivers are being
used, and that they correspond precisely to included kernel support.
355 [03:09:27] <dvs> jimmy_, What does "lspci -nn | grep -i
audio" say?
356 [03:09:28] <abrotman> jimmy_: cat /proc/asound/cards ?
357 [03:09:52] <jimmy_> 00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel
Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition
Audio Controller [8086:2668] (rev 04)
358 [03:10:12] <abrotman> That's not Realtek
359 [03:10:17] <jimmy_> cat /proc/asound/cards
360 [03:10:17] <jimmy_> 0 [Intel ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel
361 [03:10:17] <jimmy_> HDA Intel at 0x501c0000 irq 28
362 [03:10:25] <abrotman> looks like Alsa knows about your
sonudcard
363 [03:10:35] <dvs> ,pci-id 8086:2668
364 [03:10:36] <judd> [8086:2668] is '82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW
(ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller' from
'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules
'snd-hda-intel', 'ata-generic' in stretch. See
also
replaced-url
365 [03:10:50] <abrotman> it's an old sound card from an
intel chipset
366 [03:11:18] <jimmy_> well it does have a realtek in there...
367 [03:11:34] <jimmy_> yeah see here
368 [03:11:34] <abrotman> jimmy_: paste.debian.net, show us all
of "lspci -nn"
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372 [03:14:33] <abrotman> jimmy_: paste coming?
373 [03:14:34] <jimmy_>
replaced-url
374 [03:14:36] <jimmy_> blamo
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378 [03:15:12] * abrotman looks really hard for a Realtek anything ..
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380 [03:15:49] <klys> jimmy_ is your realtek an isa or pci card,
or is that something you read off a motherboard ic?
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382 [03:16:22] <abrotman> jimmy_: so, you have two sound cards?
one onboard, one discrete?
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386 [03:18:47] <jimmy_> cnet.com/products/emachines-t5026/specs
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388 [03:19:14] <abrotman> okay?
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390 [03:19:54] <abrotman> "realtek" not on that page
either ?
391 [03:19:56] <jimmy_> just realized that talks nothing abotu
the audio card
392 [03:19:57] <jimmy_> lol
393 [03:20:00] <jimmy_> my bad
394 [03:20:04] <abrotman> it does, it says AC97
395 [03:20:18] <abrotman> jimmy_: you have an intel sound card
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397 [03:20:41] <klys> more precisely, an intel sound device built
into the motherboard.
398 [03:20:48] <jimmy_> I'm 100% positive this thing had
realtek sound card in it. theres headphone jacks in front and back
399 [03:20:51] <jimmy_> ohhh
400 [03:20:52] <jimmy_> okay
401 [03:20:55] <jimmy_> hmm
402 [03:20:56] <abrotman> more precisely, into an old motherboard
:)
403 [03:21:01] <jimmy_> very old
404 [03:21:05] <jimmy_> this thing is my dinosaur
405 [03:21:12] <cujotus> i am using sid
406 [03:21:14] <jimmy_> and i love it in all of it's less
than a gb of ram
407 [03:21:21] <jimmy_> glory
408 [03:21:26] <cujotus> works good
409 [03:21:37] <cujotus> :)
410 [03:21:57] <klys> cujotus, sid is supported at irc.oftc.net
#debian-next
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412 [03:22:15] <jimmy_> omg i found the manual
413 [03:22:17] <jimmy_> one sec
414 [03:23:29] <jimmy_> okay so it has a heaphone and microphone
jack on the front and the same on the back but they are line out
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416 [03:24:08] <klys> make sure the cables for that weren't
unplugged last time you serviced your machine
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418 [03:25:02] <jimmy_> the audio works fine in linux mint and
centos
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422 [03:25:57] <klys> next time you boot one of those kernels
(into mint or centos), do lspci >> pci.txt and get a copy of
pci.txt for comparison with lsmod
423 [03:26:14] <klys> erm, lsmod >> mod.txt
424 [03:26:56] <jimmy_> I uninstalled them for this distro lol
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426 [03:27:03] <klys> o ok
427 [03:27:18] <jimmy_> so emachine's website lists audio
vendor as realtek audio driver v 5.10
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429 [03:28:02] <klys> jimmy_ have you looked at the cards on the
backplate to see if one of them was perhaps a sound card?
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432 [03:30:25] <jimmy_> not sure what you mean?
433 [03:30:50] <jimmy_> The ports in back are plugged into the
motherboard directly but the front one looked connected by wire
434 [03:30:53] <klys> jimmy_, the back of the machine has plates
of enclosed slots perhpas with card(s) installed there
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437 [03:32:02] <jimmy_> foxconn?
438 [03:32:08] <jimmy_> thats what the silver bit says
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440 [03:32:30] <jimmy_> so the audio in back is encased in a
silver rectangle that looks like its directly into the motherboard
441 [03:32:53] <klys> yeah that should be working. do you have a
sound file you can play?
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443 [03:33:22] <jimmy_> yeah, but like I said, there's only
dummy output
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446 [03:35:32] <klys> jimmy_ do you have modules as shown here:
replaced-url
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452 [03:39:38] <jimmy_> snd_hda_codec_generic 65536 1
snd_hda_codec_realtek, Live 0xf87af000
453 [03:39:38] <jimmy_> snd_hda_intel 28672 2 - Live 0xf85bd000
454 [03:39:38] <jimmy_> snd_hda_codec 94208 3
snd_hda_codec_realtek,snd_hda_codec_generic,snd_hda_intel, Live
0xf8797000
455 [03:39:38] <jimmy_> snd_hda_core 57344 4
snd_hda_codec_realtek,snd_hda_codec_generic,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,
Live 0xf85ae000
456 [03:39:39] <jimmy_> snd_hwdep 16384 1 snd_hda_codec, Live
0xf8593000
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458 [03:40:01] <klys> =)
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460 [03:40:15] <jimmy_> my bad
461 [03:40:36] <jimmy_>
replaced-url
462 [03:40:48] <jimmy_> @klys
463 [03:42:00] <klys> jimmy_, you should try alsamixer, and if
not give yourself the oss modules and try aumix
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466 [03:43:23] <jimmy_> right well the mixer sees the card
467 [03:43:31] <jimmy_> hda_intel
468 [03:43:43] <jimmy_> but aplay -l still doesnt list it
469 [03:43:46] <jimmy_> so that baffles me
470 [03:44:29] <klys> jimmy_, were you able to adjust master and
pcm volume settings?
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472 [03:44:39] <jimmy_> it only lists beep
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474 [03:44:59] <klys> jimmy_ for further luck try: ls
/lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/sound/pci/hda
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476 [03:45:26] <jimmy_> mic and beep and loopback **
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479 [03:45:57] <klys> jimmy_ once you've modprobe'd
each of those modules, come back and try aumix for me
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483 [03:47:05] <jimmy_> what is modprobe'd
484 [03:47:19] <jimmy_> just sudo modprobe "module" ?
485 [03:47:32] <klys> jimmy_ eg. # modprobe snd_hda_codec_analog
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488 [03:48:51] <jimmy_> none of them returned anything
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490 [03:49:10] <klys> that's fine, now install aumix like
so: apt-get install aumix
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492 [03:49:38] <jimmy_> done
493 [03:49:47] <klys> now fire up # aumix
494 [03:49:59] <klys> and tell us what settings it has
495 [03:50:03] <jimmy_> no such file or directory
496 [03:50:08] <jimmy_> error opening mixer
497 [03:50:20] <klys> oh you need to modprobe two more th8ings
498 [03:50:36] <klys> modprobe snd_mixer_oss and modprobe
snd_pcm_oss
499 [03:51:01] <klys> then do that
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501 [03:51:31] <jimmy_> Spkr
502 [03:51:33] <jimmy_> mic
503 [03:51:35] <jimmy_> igain
504 [03:51:49] <klys> is spkr turned all the way up
505 [03:52:04] <jimmy_> speaker and mic are both all the way to
the left
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507 [03:52:18] <jimmy_> i moved it 3/4 right
508 [03:52:20] <klys> turn it up by pushing the right arrow
509 [03:52:23] <klys> ok
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512 [03:52:40] <klys> now get ye a file and play some music
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514 [03:52:51] <jimmy_> can I exit aumix?
515 [03:52:59] <klys> with q, yes
516 [03:52:59] <jimmy_> or should i save then exit
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521 [03:54:51] <klys> one tool that supports mp3 audio with alsa
and oss is mpg321
522 [03:55:27] <jimmy_> i got no sound
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526 [03:55:49] <klys> hmm ok, perhaps we will have to check your
card against a kernel
527 [03:56:06] <jimmy_> ok
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530 [03:57:11] <jimmy_> I'm willing to troubleshoot a bit
more, but if it's not working out I'm going to try arch
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537 [04:00:52] <klys> jimmy_ find your card model in this file:
replaced-url
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543 [04:04:04] <klys> line 1442
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546 [04:04:36] <klys> it has a comment /* broken BIOS */
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548 [04:05:17] <jimmy_> whats that mean
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550 [04:05:41] <klys> not too sure myself. you could check if
it's enabled at your bios setup screen. just a shot in the
dark.
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559 [04:07:26] <jimmy_> I mean it'd have to if it worked on
other os
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561 [04:08:41] <klys> jimmy_ what's your kernel version from
$ uname -r
562 [04:09:08] <jimmy_> 4.9.0-0.bpo.5-686-pae
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564 [04:09:36] <klys> thx, perhaps it would be good to compare
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578 [04:15:59] <klys> jimmy_ since the sources for it are not on
the debian mirrors, you could perhaps get them from
snapshot.debian.org except I will suggest you should upgrade your
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636 [04:58:18] <Sir_Designer> Stephen Hawking died
637 [04:58:35] <klys> the last news I read from him was that he
calculated some things from what's supposed to be before the
big bang
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658 [05:12:53] <mason> Ah, that's a loss.
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727 [06:01:02] <monoxane> hey, im having issues connecting my
bluetooth mouse, its paired fine under both gnome-settings and
bluetoothctl but it fails to actually connect, in gnome-settings the
connect toggle is greyed out and in bluetoothctl I get `[CHG] Device
00:1F:20:08:69:05 Paired: yes <newline> Failed to connect:
org.bluez.Error.Failed`
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729 [06:01:04] <monoxane> any ideas?
730 [06:01:27] <monoxane> it works fine on macos on the same
bluetooth adapter and a different laptop
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739 [06:07:42] <monoxane> huh okay, i got it to connect but its
not functioning as a mouse
740 [06:08:22] <monoxane> now ive got this: bluetoothd[5707]:
00:1F:20:08:69:05: error updating services: Connection timed out
(110)
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764 [06:22:26] <monoxane> oh fun it wont pair anymore
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817 [07:12:23] <vlt> asterismo_l: pong
818 [07:12:38] <asterismo_l> hi vlt
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820 [07:13:29] <vlt> asterismo_l: Did you remove sdc, re-format
and hen re-add to the raids?
821 [07:13:34] <vlt> *then
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824 [07:16:24] <asterismo_l> vlt, no, i did not
825 [07:16:40] <asterismo_l> i'm to afraid to do it by
myself alone
826 [07:16:48] <asterismo_l> hahah
827 [07:17:03] <asterismo_l> the raid is synced
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829 [07:17:50] <vlt> The first one? Ok.
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831 [07:18:06] <vlt> Have to go, will be back at 7:30 UTC
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836 [07:19:52] <asterismo_l> ok, we live in very different
timezones
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980 [09:11:42] <vlt> asterismo_l: :D
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982 [09:12:35] <asterismo_l> hi
983 [09:12:44] <vlt> asterismo_l: Ok, now that the resync is done
-- make sure by looking at /proc/mdstat -- you can `mdadm /dev/md1
--fail sdc1`.
984 [09:12:58] <vlt> Then --remove
985 [09:13:04] <vlt> Then the same for sdc2
986 [09:13:34] <vlt> Then you can `cfdisk -z /dev/sdc`.
987 [09:14:18] <asterismo_l> i'm on it
988 [09:14:20] <vlt> You could also dd the first few bytes but we
have learnt that this might not succeed fully.
989 [09:14:37] <vlt> asterismo_l: So to be safe go with cfdisk.
990 [09:14:59] <vlt> asterismo_l: And make sure in journalctl
that the kernel has indeed re-read the partitions.
991 [09:15:27] <asterismo_l> wait
992 [09:15:33] <vlt> Then just `mdadm /dev/md1 --add /dev/sdc1`
and sdc2 to md2
993 [09:15:37] <asterismo_l> mdadm /dev/md1 --fail sdc1 and the
same for md2 rigth?
994 [09:15:56] <asterismo_l> ok
995 [09:16:01] <vlt> asterismo_l: Correct but with sdc2
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1001 [09:19:21] <asterismo_l> vlt, bulldozer kernel: sdc: sdc1
sdc2
1002 [09:19:46] <vlt> asterismo_l: Good.
1003 [09:19:50] <vlt> asterismo_l: Re-add them
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1005 [09:20:13] <vlt> asterismo_l: And go to sleep or whatever in
your timezone :-D
1006 [09:21:04] <asterismo_l> done
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1009 [09:21:37] <asterismo_l> then you have to show me how to
increase the lvm inside the crypto to fill the whole tb
1010 [09:21:52] <vlt> asterismo_l: We could do this now.
1011 [09:21:55] <vlt> asterismo_l: But ...
1012 [09:22:08] <vlt> Please think *before* doing that.
1013 [09:22:26] <vlt> Do you really grow the root fs to the full
available size?
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1015 [09:22:34] <vlt> There are disadvantages.
1016 [09:22:37] <asterismo_l> vlt, is it dangerous?
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1018 [09:22:42] <vlt> No.
1019 [09:22:52] <vlt> You just loose a bit flexibility.
1020 [09:23:02] <asterismo_l> my old raid was 500gb
1021 [09:23:12] <RoyK> vlt: instead of cfdisk -z, perhaps mdadm
--zero-superblock?
1022 [09:23:12] <vlt> I'll explain.
1023 [09:23:17] <asterismo_l> disks were 6yrs old
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1025 [09:23:22] <asterismo_l> all ears
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1027 [09:23:37] <vlt> RoyK: No, they needed to switch from gpt to
dos style.
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1030 [09:23:51] <RoyK> oh - ic
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1032 [09:24:21] <RoyK> well, if md is on a partition it won't
matter much anyway
1033 [09:24:25] <asterismo_l> vlt, what disadvantages?
1034 [09:24:47] * RoyK is more used to putting md on whole disks instead
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1036 [09:25:05] <vlt> asterismo_l: Because the current linux
kernel (afaik) can increase the size of any file system even when
mounted but can shrink only when not mounted,
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1038 [09:25:19] <vlt> once you grow the root fs you have to stick
to its size.
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1040 [09:25:49] <asterismo_l> i'm fine with that
1041 [09:25:54] <vlt> But if you leave room on your VG you can
create, shrink or grow any not-mounted file system at any time
later.
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1043 [09:26:23] <Kalimero> how can I install a single package an
its dependencies from testing on debian 9 (stretch). All guides are
for jessie. Help pls
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1045 [09:26:28] <vlt> asterismo_l: Ok, I just wanted you to be
aware of the advantages of not using the full available space.
1046 [09:26:47] <dob1> what is the difference between tmux's
session
1047 [09:26:48] <asterismo_l> vlt, great advice
1048 [09:26:58] <dob1> tmux'windows ? just that you can name
a session?
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1050 [09:27:51] <asterismo_l> vlt, you have it all figured it out
man, i'm amazed
1051 [09:28:34] <asterismo_l> maybe we shoud wait to the raid to
sync?
1052 [09:28:51] <vlt> asterismo_l: Not necessary.
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1055 [09:29:26] <asterismo_l> ok then
1056 [09:29:33] <vlt> asterismo_l: I don't see an advantage
in waiting.
1057 [09:30:13] <asterismo_l> it lready synced
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1061 [09:31:03] <vlt> asterismo_l: I've always done it in two
steps: `lvresize vg-name/lv-name -l +100%FREE` and then `resize2fs
/dev/mapper/vg-name--lv-name`
1062 [09:31:35] <vlt> asterismo_l: It already synced?!?
That's nearly impossible for 1 TB.
1063 [09:32:08] <vlt> asterismo_l: md1 sure, but md2 should take a
few hours.
1064 [09:32:25] <RoyK> or perhaps not the whole thing at once?
1065 [09:32:36] <vlt> RoyK: ?
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1067 [09:32:53] <RoyK> well, extend the vg to something nice, then
add space as you need it
1068 [09:32:55] <vlt> asterismo_l: `cat /proc/mdstat`, please.
1069 [09:33:02] <RoyK> that's what I'll suggest
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1071 [09:33:09] <vlt> RoyK: That's what I suggested.
1072 [09:33:33] <RoyK> +100%FREE means "eat it all"
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1074 [09:33:48] <asterismo_l> vlt maybe the data was untouched,
only the mbr sectors
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1076 [09:33:58] <vlt> RoyK: Exactly. That's why I wrote about
the disadvantages of doing that.
1077 [09:34:01] <RoyK> so I was merely suggesting -L +10g or
whatever
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1080 [09:34:17] <asterismo_l> i dunno
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1081 [09:34:37] <RoyK> thin-provisioned lv's are nice, though
1082 [09:35:06] <vlt> asterismo_l: Can I see the last lines of
journalctl?
1083 [09:35:40] <vlt> The propability of the whole system not
writing to the root fs in several minutes is extremely low.
1084 [09:36:21] <asterismo_l> vlt, how do i query n lines back? i
had closed that tty
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1088 [09:37:05] <vlt> asterismo_l: Not sure. Without -f you should
see the full available log.
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1094 [09:39:09] <asterismo_l> wait
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1096 [09:40:52] <asterismo_l> vlt,
replaced-url
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1104 [09:43:22] <vlt> asterismo_l: In line 20 the recovery of md1
begins, finishes in line 30.
1105 [09:43:31] <vlt> asterismo_l: Line 31: md1 begins
1106 [09:43:35] <vlt> *md2
1107 [09:44:05] <vlt> But doesn't end.
1108 [09:44:36] <asterismo_l> vlt, so?
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1110 [09:45:12] <vlt> I'm confused.
1111 [09:45:21] <vlt> `mdadm --detail /dev/md2`
1112 [09:47:11] <asterismo_l> wait
1113 [09:47:16] <asterismo_l> i missed some log
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1115 [09:47:50] <asterismo_l>
replaced-url
1116 [09:48:19] <Kalimero> how can i install a testing package on
debian 9
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1119 [09:49:06] <vlt> asterismo_l: Ok, the kernel says it's
done. After 59 seconds.
1120 [09:49:39] <vlt> asterismo_l: In this case I'm not very
confident.
1121 [09:49:44] <asterismo_l> lol
1122 [09:49:48] <vlt> asterismo_l: Just a gut feeling.
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1124 [09:50:30] <vlt> asterismo_l: To be safe -- even if
that's not necessary -- I'd do it again, this time wiping
the raid superblock first.
1125 [09:50:46] <asterismo_l> what command?
1126 [09:50:59] <vlt> asterismo_l: Both --fail and --remove
commands
1127 [09:51:22] <vlt> asterismo_l: Then `mdadm --zero-superblock
/dev/sda[12]`
1128 [09:51:25] <asterismo_l> on sda first?
1129 [09:51:32] <vlt> asterismo_l: Then both --add commands again.
1130 [09:51:36] <vlt> No, only sdc!
1131 [09:51:43] <asterismo_l> oh
1132 [09:51:44] <asterismo_l> ok
1133 [09:52:03] <vlt> So, I typed it wrong, sorry.
1134 [09:52:15] <vlt> We want to remove and re-add the sdc
partitions.
1135 [09:52:58] <asterismo_l> wait
1136 [09:53:15] <asterismo_l> i failed and removed sdc partitions
1137 [09:53:22] <asterismo_l> now the superblock thing?
1138 [09:53:33] <asterismo_l> mdadm --zero-superblock /dev/sda[12]
?
1139 [09:53:37] <asterismo_l> sda or sdc?
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1141 [09:54:39] <vlt> C
1142 [09:55:03] <vlt> asterismo_l: You just removed sdc[12] from
md[12], right?
1143 [09:55:16] <asterismo_l> yes
1144 [09:55:19] <asterismo_l> sdc
1145 [09:55:34] <vlt> Ok, then zero the superblock of sdc[12]
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1152 [09:56:34] <asterismo_l> mdadm --zero-superblock /dev/sda[12]
that is for sda, its sdc rigth?
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1157 [09:57:11] <asterismo_l> mdadm --zero-superblock /dev/sdc[12]
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1159 [09:57:13] <asterismo_l> done
1160 [09:57:27] <asterismo_l> journal?
1161 [09:57:33] <vlt> Ok. Then --add sdc1 to md1
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1164 [09:58:00] <vlt> asterismo_l: Then show me `journalctl -k`
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1167 [09:59:34] <asterismo_l>
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1168 [10:00:23] <vlt> asterismo_l: Good. Now --add sdc2 to md2
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1170 [10:00:55] <vlt> asterismo_l: It's the same you did
earlier but which took suspisciously little time.
1171 [10:01:16] <asterismo_l> ok
1172 [10:01:18] <asterismo_l> done
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1174 [10:02:14] <vlt> Wait 90 seconds and have a look at
`journalctl -k` and `mdadm --detail /dev/md2` again.
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1178 [10:04:30] <asterismo_l>
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1181 [10:05:00] <asterismo_l>
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1184 [10:06:12] <vlt> asterismo_l: "Rebuild Status : 2%
complete" This *feels* better :D
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1189 [10:08:29] <asterismo_l> 4.8%
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1193 [10:10:27] <monoxane> okay so it seems like i just need to
force accept a pin beforehand
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1195 [10:10:43] <monoxane> who the fuck thought it would be a good
idea to use a pin on a mouse
1196 [10:11:05] <slax0r> pin on a mouse?
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1216 [10:18:07] <monoxane> slax0r mhm
1217 [10:18:09] <darxmurf> damn... 20Tb to rsync over GB...
zZzZzZz
1218 [10:18:27] <monoxane> any ideas on how i can deal with it?
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1225 [10:20:12] <slax0r> monoxane: what kind of pin on a mouse?
1226 [10:20:26] <monoxane> bluetooth
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1228 [10:20:35] <monoxane> you know, like what you do with
keyboards
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1236 [10:21:41] <slax0r> oh...
1237 [10:21:56] <slax0r> I somehow imagined the mouse with a
numpad and you have to input a pin to use it
1238 [10:23:39] <darxmurf> Oo
1239 [10:23:42] <darxmurf> 0000
1240 [10:23:57] <darxmurf> some bluetooth devices are using 0000
or 1234 or 12345
1241 [10:24:02] <monoxane> yea
1242 [10:24:05] <monoxane> its 000
1243 [10:24:06] <darxmurf> like headphones and things like that
1244 [10:24:08] <monoxane> *0000
1245 [10:24:13] <monoxane> i just have no way to enter it
1246 [10:24:36] <darxmurf> well, usually you pair it, then your
computer asks for the code
1247 [10:24:41] <monoxane> because bluetoothctrl wont let me enter
everything and just returns 'AuthTimeout' or something
like that
1248 [10:24:47] <darxmurf> ah
1249 [10:24:47] <monoxane> nope, nothing
1250 [10:24:52] <darxmurf> this is different :-/
1251 [10:25:06] <darxmurf> maybe there is something else ?
1252 [10:25:21] <darxmurf> I hate bluetooth
1253 [10:25:45] <monoxane> it works on every other operating
systems on several platforms but debian :|
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1258 [10:29:05] <darxmurf> this is not the question, it's
just a crap protocol :D
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1262 [10:30:02] <monoxane> its crap for everything other than
audio and smartwatches
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1284 [10:45:29] <nonfatmatt> hi, anyone have any idea if DRI3
actually works in Debian Buster/Testing
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1311 [11:00:03] <micw> Hi. I'm about to plan a setup where
I'd like to use some xfs features that will be stable in 4.16.
Will 4.16 be available in stretch-backports?
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1316 [11:02:35] <petn-randall> nonfatmatt: Sure, why not?
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1319 [11:03:43] <petn-randall> micw: At some point, but first it
needs to be released, then get packages in unstable, migrate to
testing, and then get backported. So it might take a few weeks more.
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1321 [11:04:31] <micw> that's ok. just wanted to know if it
will be backported. It's ok for me to start with 4.13 now and
upgrade then.
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1323 [11:05:17] <petn-randall> micw: You can always compile 4.16
yourself with 'make deb-pkg' and install that package.
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1329 [11:09:55] <dynek> Anyone familiar with pam? Since long time
I have implemented Google Authenticator. But I wanted my LANs to
bypass this so I added:
1330 [11:09:58] <dynek> auth [success=1 default=ignore]
pam_access.so accessfile=/etc/security/access-local.conf
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1332 [11:10:21] <dynek> now when machines not in this file are
connecting (via ssh) I see "access denied for user..."
because of this line
1333 [11:10:37] <dynek> Is there a way to make this silent because
it's useless?
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1335 [11:12:12] <dynek> I tried adding "noaudit" but it
still reports logins from "disallowed hosts"
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1340 [11:14:57] <Highbreed> .
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1350 [11:18:55] <Guest58653> k
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1358 [11:22:40] <turlando> Hello, I'm using debhelper and
I'm trying to include a file in /etc/default/pkgname, so I
added a default file to my debian directory but it doesn't show
up in the package (dpkg -L doesn't list it). My rules makefile
only includes a catchall rule with the command dh $@ --with-systemd
1359 [11:22:44] <turlando> What am I missing?
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1362 [11:25:01] <themill> turlando: you need to list it in
debian/package.install (or debian/install). You might like to talk
to #debian-mentors or #packaging over on irc.oftc.net
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1366 [11:26:31] <turlando> thanks themill, but I don't think
it's the case: I'm building also another package which has
a default file, and it's not listed in the install file.
Nonetheless in this case the default file gets into the package,
apparently without any other directive
1367 [11:26:56] <turlando> The rules file is quite different and
more elaborated but there is no explicit rule for the default file
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1371 [11:29:12] <themill> dh_installinit can do it for you
1372 [11:29:50] <turlando> themill I think dh_installinit is
already running, because of the catchall rule which executes dh $@
--with systemd
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1374 [11:30:34] <themill> check
1375 [11:30:35] <BluesKaj> 'Morning
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1405 [11:43:51] <enkrypt> I'm running debian testing, and
since a few days I'm noticing slowdowns and bad performance in
google chrome. I suspect it's related to the most recent nvidia
driver update. any hints on this?
1406 [11:45:18] <towo^work> enkrypt, the hint is, ask in the right
channel, testing support is in #debian-next on the oftc irc network
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1418 [11:58:10] <BluesKaj> BTW, Happy Pi Day to all !
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1420 [11:58:29] <bezaban> Π!
1421 [11:58:56] <aci> Pi Model 3B
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1424 [11:59:26] <aci> 3B+ Even
1425 [12:00:08] <aci> Gig ethernet (over usb2), future PoE etc
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1456 [12:16:27] <mags> do anyone know why smokeping has been
removed from debian testing repo?
1457 [12:17:00] <mags> does*
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1459 [12:18:00] <themill> #885699
1460 [12:18:01] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
1461 [12:18:43] <mags> ok - thanks
1462 [12:19:23] * themill isn't sure that's actually a serious
bug
1463 [12:20:08] <mags> so we can assume that when the bug is fixed
it will be re-added to the repo, right?
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1465 [12:20:23] <themill> yes
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1469 [12:24:04] <mags> great :)
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1472 [12:24:29] <mags> as a total n00b, how difficult would you
say it is to build smokeping from source on testing?
1473 [12:24:40] <mags> if you can say at all :)
1474 [12:26:09] <themill> the package from sid should be directly
usable in buster
1475 [12:26:12] <themill> !tum
1476 [12:26:12] <dpkg> «echo 'APT::Default-Release
"testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf», edit
sources.list, copy your non-security testing lines and change one
set to unstable, then apt-get update. Use apt-get -t unstable
install foo; to install foo from unstable rather than testing as
usual. WARNING to SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release:
set Preferences->Distribution.
1477 [12:27:19] <mags> ok, great, thanks a lot
1478 [12:27:23] <mags> I will give it a shot
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1496 [12:43:39] <versuchsanstalt> When doing ssh user@host
'command', how can I evaluate $? of the remote command
locally?
1497 [12:44:04] <versuchsanstalt> forget it please
1498 [12:44:16] <versuchsanstalt> just by doing it is the obvious
answer.
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from...
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1509 [12:48:25] <JyZyXEL> isn't the stable compiler supposed
to have support for full retpoline mitigation?
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1564 [13:16:07] <Jackneill> hey
1565 [13:16:18] <Jackneill> i connect with vnc to a debian. but i
dot a new display
1566 [13:16:24] <Jackneill> i'd like to connect to an
existing one
1567 [13:16:41] <rootkea> Hello! I am using gcc 6.3.0 on Debian
Stretch. `$ man gcc` says "No manual entry for gcc"
1568 [13:16:47] <Jackneill> how can i?
1569 [13:17:38] <antoszka> Jackneill: try x11vnc
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1573 [13:18:03] <Jackneill> antoszka on the server?
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1576 [13:18:35] <antoszka> Jackneill: on the machine where the X11
server you're trying to connect to is running
1577 [13:18:56] <antoszka> rootkea: apt install gcc-6-doc
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1579 [13:19:42] <Jackneill> antoszka, and kill xrdp?
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1583 [13:20:45] <rootkea> antoszka: There used to be `gcc-doc`
(similar to `gcc`) Why has it been removed? Any official wiki links
to read more on that?
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1586 [13:21:31] <antoszka> No idea, I don't dig the package
changes too well.
1587 [13:22:14] <antoszka> Jackneill: I don't even know what
xrdp is, I just happened to use x11vnc to allow me to connect a VNC
client to my running X11 session.
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1589 [13:22:37] <antoszka> Jackneill: I think xrdp sets up a new
X11 server for an incoming connection
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1591 [13:22:59] <antoszka> Jackneill: so it's useful for
multi-user evnironments, not "remote support" or
"cloning" your actual local display
1592 [13:23:09] <rootkea> antoszka: I got it. gcc-doc is in
"contrib" non-free part of Debian archive. And I
don't use non-free components.
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1594 [13:23:17] <antoszka> rootkea: ack
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1596 [13:23:43] <rootkea> Now I am wondering why is gcc-doc is not
part of "main"? What's "non-free" about it?
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1607 [13:24:53] <colo-work> it might be licensed under GNU FDL
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1609 [13:25:09] <colo-work> which isn't considered
"free" by debian
1610 [13:26:35] <rootkea> colo-work: Looks like that's the
case indeed. May I know the prerequisites to be considered
"free" by Debian? I mean How FDL is not "free"?
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1613 [13:27:17] <colo-work> because some parts of that
documentation must not be modified according to the license's
terms
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1616 [13:27:28] <jelly> !gfdl
1617 [13:27:29] <dpkg> [gfdl] The GNU "Free"
Documentation License, considered <non-free> by Debian in some
cases. Read the discussion at
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1618 [13:27:50] <rootkea> jelly: Thanks!
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1681 [14:07:17] <wondiws> I want to enable a module in apache2,
"allowmethods". Now I see there's a file in
/etc/apache2/mods-available with the said name. Am I supposed to
move this file then to /etc/apache2/mods-enabled?
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1684 [14:07:43] <ychaouche> Hello #debian
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1686 [14:08:19] <ychaouche> The man page for nc has today's
date in the footer. I was wondering how can this happen without me
updating the system ?
1687 [14:08:22] <bites> wondiws: a2enmod will create a symlink for
you
1688 [14:08:51] <ychaouche> also, the unattended updates log do
not show any sign of activiy for today :
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1691 [14:09:59] <ychaouche> wondiws: files in *-enabled
directories are symlinks to *-available directories.
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1694 [14:10:21] <ychaouche> *-available files*
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1701 [14:13:04] <leafy_> Hello, I just switched my HD from a HP
desktop system to a Dell Optiplex 7010. Now the system won't
boot. The bios finds the disk, but it will not boot from it when the
disk is selected in the F12 menu. The system was set to UEFI boot,
but I changed it to legacy.
1702 [14:13:19] <leafy_> Any obvious reason why the system will
not boot?
1703 [14:13:44] <ychaouche> could it be a secure boot something
technology enabled in your bios ?
1704 [14:14:44] <petn-randall> leafy_: If you booted before via
UEFI, you have to boot via UEFI on the new machine, too. Same goes
for legacy. Also secure boot must be disabled.
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1707 [14:15:59] <leafy_> petn-randall: On the old system I think
it booted by legacy
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1710 [14:16:31] <BluesKaj> different HW could also be confusing
the boot sequence
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1712 [14:16:45] <petn-randall> leafy_: Then you need to boot via
legacy again. Make sure that it's set to "legacy
only" and that CSM is disabled.
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1723 [14:18:49] <Jackneill> hey, i can connect to a server vnc
with tigervnc but i get no screen sharing
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1725 [14:18:56] <Jackneill> it just says in the logs connected.
1726 [14:18:58] <Jackneill> any idea?
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1728 [14:19:29] <leafy_> petn-randall: is CSM a bios option?
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1733 [14:21:38] <leafy_> also, I think it was hirens boot cd that
could help you boot a drive. Anyone know of a linux equivalent?
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1742 [14:25:53] <alkisg> leafy_: when the bios doesn't boot
from that disk, what is the error message?
1743 [14:26:03] <alkisg> Also, was it the only disk on the other
pc, or did you have 2 disks there?
1744 [14:26:23] <alkisg> Finally, hirens boot cd is using linux
itself, but grub-rescue-cd is a lot smaller and flexible
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1765 [14:36:33] <mahafyi> hello. Yesterday I was having problems
with Debian 9.4 Gnome desktop freezing. I re installed with Debian
10 Buster and the systems are working well now.
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1778 [14:45:54] <darxmurf> will I save time using -z option in
rsync between 2 machines with a GB link and huge couchDB files to
transfer ?
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1781 [14:46:11] <darxmurf> 100Gb couch files
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1785 [14:46:35] <slax0r> tias?
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1787 [14:46:57] <darxmurf> and using rsync protocol, not SSH
1788 [14:47:09] <tw> yeah, try it. If both CPUs can handle deflate
@1Gbit or better, you'll save time.
1789 [14:47:33] <darxmurf> hum rsync is using only 1 cpu :-/
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1791 [14:47:54] <darxmurf> running at 16.7MB/sec now agains 112
without compression
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1794 [14:48:24] <tw> so there's your answer. Unless you are
getting 80+% deflate efficiency, no.
1795 [14:48:35] <darxmurf> is it uncompressing after the transfer
?
1796 [14:48:49] <FinalX> Usually CPU's aren't the
limiting factor in file transfers.
1797 [14:48:56] <FinalX> But,
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1798 [14:49:22] <darxmurf> well in my case the GB link is the
problem
1799 [14:49:24] <FinalX> Using "parallel", it might go
faster, in the case of using compression.
1800 [14:49:34] <lenni> Hey! it seems like upgrading libc6 has
killed a few of my machines. Can anyone else report similar stuff?
1801 [14:50:20] <tw> well shit, there's a libc6 update in
9.4?
1802 [14:50:25] <tw> why did I install that =|
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1804 [14:50:58] <jelly> ,v libc6
1805 [14:50:59] <judd> Package: libc6 on amd64 -- wheezy:
2.13-38+deb7u10; wheezy-security: 2.13-38+deb7u12; jessie:
2.19-18+deb8u10; jessie-security: 2.19-18+deb8u10; stretch-security:
2.24-11+deb9u1; stretch: 2.24-11+deb9u3; buster: 2.27-1; sid: 2.27-2
1806 [14:51:05] <darxmurf> FinalX: I could save a bit of time as
those machines are configured with 2Gb link in bonding but rsync is
using the same link even if you run multiple instances
1807 [14:51:14] <lenni> I might have to add that that hase happend
only on 32bit machines.
1808 [14:51:21] <darxmurf> I should then use rsync in one pipe and
something like SCP on the other
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1812 [14:52:04] <FinalX> darxmurf: hm, if you run multiple
rsync's and the target machien has multiple ip's, maybe
you could route that ip over the second interface on the source
machine, idk
1813 [14:52:21] <FinalX> or you could set up bonding on the
machines, but that's more intrusive
1814 [14:52:32] <FinalX> (and takes longer to work out.. might
need changes on the switch)
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1816 [14:53:04] <tw> .wa 100GB / 1 gbps
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1818 [14:53:09] <tw> err, wrong channel.
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1822 [14:53:47] <tw> 13 minutes.
1823 [14:53:52] <darxmurf> FinalX: only one ip but 2 links
aggregged (don't know how to write that)
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1825 [14:54:10] <tw> Is this a one-off, or something you have to
do regularly?
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1828 [14:54:48] <FinalX> darxmurf: if you wanna live on the
dangerous side, without rsync at first, you could do something like:
tar cvzf - /path/to/send | ssh root@target "(cd /target; tar
zxjf -)"
1829 [14:54:50] <darxmurf> didnt read your last post :-) bonding
is already configured but max speed is not 2Gb :-)
1830 [14:54:53] <FinalX> and then run rsync after, or something.
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1832 [14:55:09] <FinalX> (to double-check)
1833 [14:55:31] <darxmurf> I could too yep
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1836 [14:56:38] <tw> I ask about this being a one-off because if
you had started the single threaded, uncompressed rsync, it'd
be done about 2 minutes from when you asked your original question.
1837 [14:56:42] <tw> 2 minutes from now.
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1839 [14:57:10] <darxmurf> damn it's ridiculous to have 2
servers next to each other and a "slow" link to copy files
^^
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1842 [14:57:42] <darxmurf> tw I have 1Tb to transfer :-)
1843 [14:57:47] <darxmurf> and it's still running :-)
1844 [14:58:02] <FinalX> usb disk, copy to disk, plug in to the
other, copy back? :D
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1848 [14:59:01] <tw> If it's a one-off, let it go. If not,
maybe some FC or IB HBAs.
1849 [14:59:06] <FinalX> btw, gbit should still do > 100MB/s,
otherwise it might be your disksbeing the limiting factor (how fast
is it going? is it really doing that much? )
1850 [14:59:27] <FinalX> because if not, there's not much
point in compression either
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1852 [15:00:02] <darxmurf> yep, around 112MB/s
1853 [15:00:05] <FinalX> ah, ok
1854 [15:00:25] <darxmurf> I'm just a bit impatient ^^
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1859 [15:01:15] <darxmurf> and I pigz some of the last fat files
while the other are transfered
1860 [15:01:25] <FinalX> ah :) yeah, pigz is nice
1861 [15:01:47] <FinalX> but tbh with 1TB going at 112MB/s, and if
it's a one-off, I'd do like tw said: let it go :)
1862 [15:01:49] <darxmurf> ooh yep, still don't understand
why gzip is not SMP ready
1863 [15:02:09] <tw> because zlib is old enough to drink.
1864 [15:02:12] <FinalX> that'll be less chan 3 hours or so?
1865 [15:02:14] <tw> legally.
1866 [15:02:19] <FinalX> than*
1867 [15:02:35] <darxmurf> yep
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1870 [15:04:16] <tw> the better question is why rsync uses zlib
in-thread with its main process.
1871 [15:04:36] <tw> If that were all properly pipelined, it
should saturate.
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1873 [15:05:04] <Tenkawa> tw: memory efficiency?
1874 [15:05:10] <tw> that's reasonable.
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1876 [15:05:21] <tw> I would have gone with "hard to
implement and harder to maintain"
1877 [15:06:01] <tw> And practically speaking, rsync is good
enough as is.
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1879 [15:06:33] <darxmurf> tru
1880 [15:06:35] <darxmurf> e
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1889 [15:12:18] <kst_> hi dudes, any information on why nagios4 is
no longer available as a Debian package?
1890 [15:12:19] <panga> What is the equivalent for SOSreport in
Debian?
1891 [15:12:24] <darxmurf> oh by the way ncat is also a solution
to copy stuffs
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1893 [15:13:45] <FinalX> kst_: if software is (read: packages are)
not maintained, it doesn't make it into the next release of
debian
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1895 [15:14:00] <kst_> panga: reportbug maybe??
1896 [15:14:00] <jelly> panga: what does it do?
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1899 [15:14:31] <panga> kst_: I'll try that command
1900 [15:14:33] <tw> log file aggregation for system error
reporting.
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1903 [15:14:47] <kst_> FinalX: right. it's just hard to
believe that nobody was interested enough in nagios. NAGIOS, mate!
1904 [15:14:50] <panga> jelly: collects troubleshoting data
1905 [15:15:11] <FinalX> kst_: well, the open source version of
nagios didn't exactly get a lot of updates as far as I know in
the past years
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1907 [15:15:39] <kst_> FinalX: that could be it, thanks mate
1908 [15:15:41] <FinalX> Nagios is still available and maintained,
but under a different license, I believe.
1909 [15:15:59] <FinalX> If I go to
replaced-url
1910 [15:16:16] <FinalX> (oh, there's a Skip, but still)
1911 [15:16:41] <kst_> FinalX: well, i could install via their
tarball, but i find it harder to maintain
1912 [15:16:42] <panga> sosreport generates an archive of
configuration and diagnostic informa‐
1913 [15:16:42] <panga> tion from the running system. The archive
may be stored locally or cen‐
1914 [15:16:42] <panga> trally for recording or tracking purposes
or may be sent to technical
1915 [15:16:42] <panga> support representatives, developers or
system administrators to assist
1916 [15:16:42] <panga> with technical fault-finding and
debugging.
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1919 [15:17:18] <koollman> kst_: basically, I think the nagios3
package maintainer was not interested in making a nagios4 package.
And no one else did. Various political/opinion disagreements
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1922 [15:19:02] <koollman> kst_: Oh and by the way many were
interested. There are various forks and replacements :)
1923 [15:19:37] <Unit193> ,v icinga2
1924 [15:19:38] <judd> Package: icinga2 on amd64 --
wheezy-backports: 2.1.1-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2.1.1-1;
jessie-backports: 2.6.0-2~bpo8+1; stretch: 2.6.0-2; sid: 2.7.0-1
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1928 [15:22:01] <panga> kst_: could you please suggest me the
commando you told me again? dropped from the chat
1929 [15:22:34] <kst_> panga: it was reportbug
1930 [15:22:40] <panga> Thank you
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1932 [15:23:24] <leafy_> mkay.. So I am having troubles moving a
uefi disk from one system to another. The other system (dell
optiplex 7710) does not recognize the drive moved from the other HP
system. Any recommondations?
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1945 [15:31:29] <leafy_> So there is something about a missing
entry in the NVRAM ? The efi boot loader not finding the disk
because of that?
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1950 [15:32:12] <leafy_> Sounds a bit strange that it should be
difficult to move a disk from one system to another
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1992 [15:59:03] <leafy_> Hello, so I managed to figure out why my
disk did not boot when I moved it from one system to the next.
First, my system was installed with uefi, second when using uefi one
has make a new entry into the bios telling where to find the uefi
boot image on the disk. e.g you have to specify yourself a boot
option. Luckily this was easy on a dell machine. I just selected new
entry and had to browse a little filesystem in the bios screen. T
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1995 [16:00:52] <leafy_> FYI, A lesson learned about UEFI. But
simple enough when you know how to do it.
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1998 [16:02:54] <Tenkawa> uefi can be annoying
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2001 [16:04:03] <Tenkawa> but yeah once you figure it out it
because fairly repeatable
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2035 [16:16:10] <ghutzriop> hi, I'm trying to install this
package:
replaced-url
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2037 [16:16:45] <petn-randall> ,v zfs-dkms
2038 [16:16:46] <judd> Package: zfs-dkms on amd64 --
jessie-backports/contrib: 0.6.5.9-5~bpo8+1; stretch/contrib:
0.6.5.9-5; jessie-backports-sloppy/contrib: 0.7.4-1~bpo8+1;
jessie-backports-sloppy/contrib: 0.7.6-1~bpo8+1;
stretch-backports/contrib: 0.7.6-1~bpo9+1; buster/contrib: 0.7.6-1;
sid/contrib: 0.7.6-1
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2041 [16:16:58] <petn-randall> ghutzriop: What command are you
using to install the backports version?
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2043 [16:17:18] <jhutchins_wk> ghutzriop: aptitude install -t
squeeze-backports zfs-dkms
2044 [16:17:32] <ghutzriop> petn-randall, apt -t stretch-backports
install zfs-dkms
2045 [16:17:35] <jelly> !basic apt troubleshooting
2046 [16:17:35] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with
apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information:
1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the
command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1
pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem,
and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use
replaced-url
2047 [16:17:38] <jelly> ghutzriop: ^^
2048 [16:17:54] <jhutchins_wk> s/stretch/squeeze/
2049 [16:18:24] <jelly> s/_wk/_beer/
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2065 [16:25:09] <ghutzriop> jelly,
replaced-url
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2068 [16:26:47] <petn-randall> ghutzriop: You need to supply all
information. Also please use a paste site like
replaced-url
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2071 [16:27:14] <jelly> ghutzriop: also step 3 and step 1 output
please. GUESS: you probably did not add contrib section for
backports.
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2078 [16:30:15] <ghutzriop> petn-randall, copy and paste is not
available
2079 [16:30:33] <ghutzriop> jelly, yes, that was it
2080 [16:30:42] <ghutzriop> thanks everyone
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2303 [18:38:35] <jelly> toxync12: hi, who does this toxync12 irc
thing belong to?
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2326 [18:48:00] <play3r> hello?
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2340 [18:54:32] <lone-wolf> Where I can get the Debian lxde 8?
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2342 [18:54:42] <lone-wolf> no netinst, only lxde
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2346 [18:56:03] <petn-randall> lone-wolf: You can download the DVD
set, it includes all packages.
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2348 [18:57:20] <jelly> too slow!
2349 [18:57:27] <jelly> !qotd0
2350 [18:57:27] <dpkg> <Hostile> RichiH: Im not fsking
retarded
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2359 [19:02:23] <mason> Hey, a question about Spectre v2. In a VM
I see this:
replaced-url
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2361 [19:02:30] * jelly pokes saurabh_londhe_'s connection
2362 [19:02:53] <annadane> why does _anyone_ have joins and parts
enabled. too much spam, personally
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2364 [19:03:15] <jelly> because one is an op
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2366 [19:03:22] <phogg> annadane: I have both enabled. I need to
know how much of the scrollback a given person may have seen.
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2368 [19:04:05] <phogg> It helps with tracking the flow of the
conversation. Similarly, people often leave in the middle of me
trying to answer their questions. Kind of good to know when they do
that.
2369 [19:04:18] <jelly> I keep it disabled on most other channels
2370 [19:04:28] <jelly> just use Tab key to see if they're
still present
2371 [19:04:31] <phogg> jelly: I feel so blind like that
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2375 [19:04:49] <jelly> pho<Tab> okay, I'll keep
talking to you!
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2377 [19:05:09] <jelly> sometimes if they /cycle it leads to
misTabs
2378 [19:05:18] <greycat> if I tried that I'd just end up
talking to the next match for pho*
2379 [19:05:22] <annadane> i'm a fan of mouse over name,
especially after "hi"
2380 [19:05:29] <phogg> I also turned off the "match
recent" tab completion mode. Strictly alphabetical. It helps
some.
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2385 [19:05:56] <phogg> annadane: that's so slow!
2386 [19:05:58] <jelly> "match recent I actually talked
to"
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2389 [19:06:16] <mason> FWIW, the specific issue that concerns me
is described here:
replaced-url
2390 [19:06:17] <bites> smart filter in weechat is nice.
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2394 [19:06:52] <jelly> like a button/key combo to expand or hide
join/part/quit
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2399 [19:07:08] <mason> By comparison, Ubuntu's doing both
retpoline mitigation *and* IBPB.
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2404 [19:08:03] <jelly> mason: you might try asking in
#debian-kernel or #debian-security on irc.oftc.net (=
irc.debian.org), this channel isn't quite official
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2406 [19:08:12] <mason> Re: joins/parts, it'd be nice to show
them only for folks who have been active (made a noise in the
channel) within some window. I think there are things that do that,
but I've not dug to find one.
2407 [19:08:18] <mason> jelly: kk, good point
2408 [19:08:29] <greycat> I like to think we're official but
the other guys are more official.
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2410 [19:08:52] <mason> Maybe one's official and the
other's merely officious. :P
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2413 [19:09:25] <jelly> we're official but oftc has more
actual devs that are actually active on actual irc.debian.org
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2417 [19:10:03] <mason> This suggests weechat does something like
what I'm describing, and has a general suggestion otherwise:
replaced-url
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2424 [19:11:24] <jelly> yes, I've been told that but I
dislike terminal-based clients, harder to read
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2428 [19:12:57] <doublehp> pwmconfig produces a /etc/fancontrol
which does not please fancontrol.service ; is it a bug ?
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2431 [19:14:16] <phogg> mason: for parts that would work, but for
joins it can only be all or nothing
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2434 [19:15:12] <mason> phogg: You won't be in the middle of
a conversation with a fresh join, though.
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2436 [19:15:21] <jelly> and I want animated harmonica effect when
hiding/unhiding. And a pony.
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2438 [19:15:37] <mason> But I guess your desire to know what
context they have would require all joins to be shown.
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2441 [19:16:03] <phogg> mason: You will. Someone joins, then says
something that seems in reference to the current topic. You need to
know he hasn't seen more than a line or two to understand where
he's coming from.
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2445 [19:16:27] <phogg> I guess not everybody cares about that,
but for those who do it's a reason to always have joins on.
2446 [19:16:33] <jelly> sorry. accordion effect?
2447 [19:17:06] <greycat> xylophone.
2448 [19:17:25] <jelly> tubular bells!
2449 [19:17:31] <phogg> jelly: a sufficiently rich client could do
it. Is chatzilla still a thing? Adding glitz with user scripts is
relatively easy with Mozilla.
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2453 [19:18:14] <mason> jelly: You want your client to spit pea
soup as a notification mechanism?
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2456 [19:18:42] <jelly> hexchat, but pango library doesn't
seem to have enough 2d or 3d effects
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2460 [19:19:00] <mason> "What's that nozzle?"
"It's for my IRC plug-ins."
2461 [19:19:05] <greycat> jelly:
replaced-url
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2463 [19:20:04] <phogg> mason: Only if you're using
TalkSoup.app
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2466 [19:22:00] <cheapie> greycat: Pictures of ASCII art... good
to know we've come full-circle :P
2467 [19:22:44] <greycat> I'm guessing there's a way to
get the actual ASCII without just retyping it but that was more
effort than I was willing to put into the search.
2468 [19:23:13] <greycat> (not pure ASCII, obviously; I see at
least some Latin-1 and something I don't recognize at all for
the eye)
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2473 [19:25:25] <cheapie> U+25D5, "circle will all but upper
left quadrant black"
2474 [19:25:33] <cheapie> ◕
2475 [19:25:41] <greycat> definitely not in Kansas any more
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2477 [19:26:25] <mason> I much prefer xim, where you type a
sequence reminiscent of the character... Not that I can think of a
logical sequence for that three-quarters-dark circle.
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2489 [19:29:07] <jelly> greycat: my /etc/issue on applejack.k.o
has xterm colors and is clearly superior
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2497 [19:33:05] <jelly> but the colors only shine if you use
selection
replaced-url
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2519 [19:41:16] <jelly> but that VM is wheezy and decommisioned
soon, no more need for applejack ascii
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2669 [20:59:54] <pathfinder__> Hi all!
2670 [20:59:59] <kst_> half an hour and i'm free to go home.
not enough for meaningful work, too much to waste.
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2673 [21:00:09] <kst_> ahoi pathfinder__
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2677 [21:02:14] <Devastator> I forgot the factoid that show how to
install php7.1 on debian 9.4, does anybody know?
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2680 [21:03:33] <greycat> ,v php
2681 [21:03:34] <judd> Package: php on amd64 -- stretch: 1:7.0+49;
buster: 1:7.2+60; sid: 1:7.2+60
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2683 [21:03:49] <greycat> No backports at all? Fun.
2684 [21:03:58] <kst_> yeah, but wasn't there a backports
project?
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2686 [21:04:14] <kst_> apt-get -t stretch-backports install
"php" or something
2687 [21:04:15] <greycat> Sure, lots of packages have backports.
2688 [21:04:34] <greycat> ,v php-fpm
2689 [21:04:35] <judd> Package: php-fpm on amd64 -- stretch:
1:7.0+49; buster: 1:7.2+60; sid: 1:7.2+60
2690 [21:04:40] <greycat> Not these ones, though!
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2692 [21:04:52] <kst_> that sad
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2696 [21:05:28] <greycat> Sad is a project being written in a new
version of PHP.
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2701 [21:05:59] <kst_> you can always use this third party
repository: deb
replaced-url
2702 [21:06:00] <greycat> Or any version of PHP, but at least with
older versions of PHP we can use the excuse that it's legacy
code.
2703 [21:06:24] <kst_> it's what i used for apache, php and
some stuff like it
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2705 [21:06:51] <Devastator> yes! sury
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2708 [21:07:06] <Devastator> there was a factoid mentioning that
url
2709 [21:07:09] <kst_> root@cybercowboy:~# php -v | awk
'/^PHP/ {print $1, $2}'
2710 [21:07:09] <kst_> PHP
7.2.3-1+0~20180306120016.19+stretch~1.gbp81bf3b
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2713 [21:07:40] <casoe> does anyone in here know where to find a
apt repo for the newest openvpn like
replaced-url
2714 [21:07:57] <greycat> because installing third party debs of
the worst programming language ever created (other than ones
specifically TRYING to be horrible, like brainfuck) on a Stable
machine is ...
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2716 [21:08:14] <casoe> btw the pi is running debian stretch
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2719 [21:08:29] <kst_> greycat: no, you are right, if you install
php you might as well use a third party package
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2721 [21:08:53] <kst_> greycat: you are doomed in any case
2722 [21:09:01] <kst_> DOOOOOMED! (:
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2725 [21:09:56] <kst_> and by doomed i mean fsck'ed of course
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2727 [21:10:55] <kst_> wasn't there some math fuckery in php
once? i think i remember faintly that everyone laughed about it for
a while
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2729 [21:11:43] <kst_> casoe: it's hard to maintain, but you
can always build from source
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2732 [21:13:28] <casoe> kst_: Thanks unfortunally first of all
compiling on a pi is to painfull slow and over time kill the sd card
because of all those writes etc, and also it will be to unsecure if
I forget to rebuild when there is a newer
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2734 [21:14:14] <casoe> kst_: Guess that I need to find another
server to use
2735 [21:14:15] <Devastator> which package replaces php-xml-parser
in stretch?
2736 [21:14:33] <kst_> casoe: true for the security part, but for
the sd part, unpack and build using a ramdisk (tmpfs), use -pipe for
your compiler
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2738 [21:15:14] <kst_> well, no need for the pipe option, just use
tmpfs
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2740 [21:15:26] <zamba> when was systemd introduced in debian?
2741 [21:15:32] <casoe> kst_: well the pi has so little ram that
there are not any spare for the tmpfs unfortunally
2742 [21:15:44] <annadane> jessie?
2743 [21:15:52] <annadane> ~2013? not sure
2744 [21:16:01] <dondelelcaro> zamba: the first upload was in
April of 2010.
2745 [21:16:10] <greycat> "Technology preview" of
systemd in wheezy, but not in *real* use until jessie.
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2747 [21:16:21] <vlt> asterismo_l: Good evening! Sync successful?
2748 [21:16:27] <annadane> kind of like wayland
2749 [21:16:36] <zamba> i'm currently running wheezy and have
planned an upgrade in the next couple of months
2750 [21:16:41] <zamba> will i get systemd or do i need to do
anything?
2751 [21:16:48] <zamba> do i need to do something, i meant to ask
2752 [21:16:51] <dondelelcaro> (and the first unstable upload was
in 2011)
2753 [21:16:52] <greycat> If you upgrade to jessie without taking
any specific steps, you will have systemd.
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2755 [21:17:39] <kst_> casoe: right, in that case, copy your
system into a directory to your workstation, use qemu to chroot into
it and build from there. or use a crosscompiler
2756 [21:17:49] <greycat> The jessie upgrade notes have steps you
can take to keep running sysvinit if that's your choice. But I
wouldn't recommend relying on sysvinit going forward. It's
not fully supported, and it's awful.
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2760 [21:19:13] <kst_> wouldn't insist on sysvinit either.
what one really needs is a backup before the dist-upgrading gets
real!
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2762 [21:19:23] <greycat> backups are good.
2763 [21:19:27] <casoe> kst_: crosscompiler ??? how does that work
and thanks I will then look at qemu if I'm able to get that
working on windows
2764 [21:19:31] <annadane> *everyone* should have backups of some
description
2765 [21:19:41] <annadane> no matter what operating system you use
2766 [21:19:50] <zamba> greycat: cool
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2770 [21:20:38] <kst_> casoe: a crosscompiler runs on one
architecture, say sparc, and emits binarys for another, say mips
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2772 [21:20:50] <kst_> casoe: not as easy as the qemu thing
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2774 [21:21:00] <kst_> casoe:
replaced-url
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2778 [21:21:39] <kst_> casoe: read the "chrooting into target
file systems" part
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2782 [21:22:57] <casoe> kst_: unfortunally I dont have linux on
the workstation and just noticed that qemu cant run on my desktop.
Ether way thanks for the help. I think I just are going to find the
money for another server to use instead of the pi
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2784 [21:23:11] <casoe> even that the pi were bought for the
purpose
2785 [21:23:35] <kst_> casoe: what kind of pi do you have anyway?
don't they come with 512mb of ram these days?
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2787 [21:25:12] <kst_> wait, what? did you just say you don't
have a linux workstation? *gasp*
2788 [21:25:27] <casoe> its the pi 3 and yes its 1 gb but there is
only 100 mb free and I dont like to take from that becaues it
allready are using 90%
2789 [21:26:05] <casoe> or its 927 mb ram because the rest is to
grapich
2790 [21:26:06] <kst_> casoe: look closer into the output of the
command free, it's likely that your used ram is mostly
filecaches
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2793 [21:26:52] <kst_> these will be removed if ram is needed for
real stuff
2794 [21:27:26] <casoe> yeah okay..
2795 [21:27:59] <casoe> and your right 691 mb is available out of
927 mb total
2796 [21:28:04] <tw> kst_: microSD is notoriously bad at random io
performance. The raspberry pi platform is no exception.
2797 [21:28:47] <kst_> tw: right, that's why i would compile
in a tmpfs and only then install to disk
2798 [21:29:23] <asterismo_l> vlt, i screwed up
2799 [21:29:32] <kst_> then again, so it takes a few seconds more,
who cares! and if the sd card dies, which is unlikely i believe, you
get a new one, right?
2800 [21:29:54] <kst_> they are cheap enough, like 15 euros for
32GB or so
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2802 [21:30:14] <casoe> kst_: where do you buy them?
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2804 [21:30:25] <kst_> amazon.de?
2805 [21:30:31] <asterismo_l> i was going to physically reorder
the disks inside the server, so manually failed and removed the disk
i was about to unplug, and umplug the other!!! by mistake!!!
2806 [21:30:54] <casoe> I have payed around 15$ for the 32 gb card
there is in it
2807 [21:31:02] <tw> gstreamer rebuild on pi3 can easily take 30
minutes or more. I always do that in qemu-user these days.
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2809 [21:31:25] <tw> 5-10 minutes maybe.
2810 [21:31:36] <casoe> tw unfortunally found out qemu cant run on
my windows desktop
2811 [21:31:38] <asterismo_l> so the system went without disk for
10 seconds and afterwards there were Input/Output errors everywhere.
I panic and shutdown the server
2812 [21:31:53] <kst_> casoe: well, we eurodudes have to pay taxes
and such, that's why our prices seem to be higher
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2814 [21:32:00] <tw> casoe: if it's just a one-time build,
wait it out.
2815 [21:32:04] <tw> it's not that long.
2816 [21:32:26] <tw> Otherwise use the version in apt, which is
not that old.
2817 [21:32:28] <asterismo_l> before that i tried to reattach the
raid member i removed but it failed with I/O errors
2818 [21:32:42] <casoe> tw: well its a one time build til next
time openvpn are getting upgraded
2819 [21:33:26] <asterismo_l> vlt, current status is now i booted
into a live cd, and i guess i'll try to reassemble the raid and
install grub in both disks
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2823 [21:34:07] <casoe> tw: unfortunally I have seen to many times
that difference versions of openvpn stops worling together, thats
why I want to keep them on the newest all time now adays
2824 [21:34:14] <tw> casoe: and you can't use the openvpn in
backports because it's one point-revision behind upstream?
2825 [21:34:16] <asterismo_l> i have a sane drive (the one i
removed safely, sdc)
2826 [21:34:37] <asterismo_l> and sda that i unplugged when
running
2827 [21:34:44] <tw> I'm using all kinds of different
versions of openvpn and haven't run into that problem before.
2828 [21:34:46] <asterismo_l> i hope i did not broke anything
2829 [21:35:05] <kst_> casoe: good luck m8, gotta go
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2835 [21:35:45] <asterismo_l> vlt, in case you still want to help
me, i need to rebuild the raid in a live usb system
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2844 [21:38:17] <casoe> tw: well at work there are we having one
server there cant talk to the main openvpn network because its to
old ( and the boss wont pay what it cost to get it swtched out ) so
there we had to create a brigde with a older openvpn server
2845 [21:38:26] <casoe> luckly not on the internet
2846 [21:38:51] <casoe> and thats why I'm so worried about
differrence versions after I have seen that
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2849 [21:39:30] <daze> One can install a specific package version
with `apt install package=version`. What is the syntax for
"version this or greater"?
2850 [21:39:42] <tw> casoe: Well, I would try it first.
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2852 [21:39:49] <tw> it'd save a lot of headache if it
worked.
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2857 [21:40:41] <casoe> else I think I would look into getting
qemu working on my vps because I hope it's posible in a
terminal only
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2860 [21:41:28] <jhutchins_wk> daze: AFIK Debian only keeps the
current version of a package in the repo. Snapshot keeps the old
ones.
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2862 [21:42:10] <jhutchins_wk> daze: RedHat & Co., on the
other hand, keep EVERY version of EVERY package for a given release.
This has the effect of allowing rollbacks/downgrades, but also makes
the repos rather cumbersome.
2863 [21:43:15] <jhutchins_wk> !snapshot
2864 [21:43:15] <dpkg>
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2868 [21:45:21] <casoe> :/ ohh right I dont have the space on the
vps for the image guess then okay I have to go with the one from apt
repo untul I get another server to replace it with
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2884 [21:50:16] <casoe> tw: sorry to ask do you remember how to
activate the openvpn config
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2886 [21:56:12] <daze> jhutchins_wk: that's why I want to
tell it to install version 1.0.2 or newer. Stable has 1.0.1, testing
has 1.0.2, so I need to define the version today, but one day stable
might have 2.5 and 1.0.2 might not be in the repos at all. So I want
to say package='>=1.0.2', but that doesn't seem to
work.
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2893 [21:58:17] <asterismo_l> vlt, are you there?
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2898 [22:03:44] <alkisg> daze: if you install with
package=version, this doesn't prevent the package from being
normally updated
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2902 [22:04:33] <daze> alkisg: ok, that's good. But what if
later on the 'version' will not be in any repo?
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2904 [22:04:56] <alkisg> daze: if you install=1, and 2 is in the
repos, and you apt-get update, you get 2
2905 [22:05:01] <alkisg> Installing is not pinning
2906 [22:05:09] <daze> (I'm writing an ansible system setup
script)
2907 [22:05:10] <alkisg> You get 2 even if it's on the same
day
2908 [22:05:26] <alkisg> Aaah
2909 [22:05:38] <alkisg> Then check the output of apt policy
before using =version
2910 [22:05:41] <alkisg> There's no >=version
2911 [22:05:53] <jelly> you meant upgrade, apt-get update
won't install anything
2912 [22:06:13] <greycat> I'm very confused, not having
followed this whole thread. You want to ensure that package foo
version >= 1.2 gets installed, right? So you create a local
package using equivs that Depends: foobar >= 1.2. Install that.
Done.
2913 [22:06:22] <greycat> err, foobar/foo
2914 [22:07:05] <daze> oh, that could work
2915 [22:07:09] <daze> thanks, greycat ;)
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2917 [22:08:19] <jelly> and then never remove that local package,
lest all the useful stuff gets removed as well
2918 [22:08:34] <greycat> obviously :)
2919 [22:09:00] <casoe> tw thanks alot I think it works for now
with the one from the apt repo
2920 [22:09:44] <casoe> and I did find the systemd command to
enable and start the client. Then I just hope that it wont breake in
a few month
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3117 [23:54:43] <_spOOn_> hey guys, is there any way to use the
testing/unstable install media to install stable?
3118 [23:54:57] <_spOOn_> the reason I ask is I need driver
support for a raid controller
3119 [23:55:02] <_spOOn_> which only comes in 4.10+
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3121 [23:55:36] <annadane> _spOOn_, the newer kernel is in
stretch-backports
3122 [23:55:52] <annadane> so you can just use regular old stable
+ that backport
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