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17 [00:09:31] <google77> hi
18 [00:09:57] <google77> by default debian comes without either
apparmor, selinux or tomoyo, am I right?
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21 [00:10:33] <missmbob> right
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25 [00:11:05] <google77> So I can install tomoyo easily?
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30 [00:11:43] <missmbob> yes
31 [00:11:45] <missmbob> ,v tomoyo-tools
32 [00:11:46] <judd> Package: tomoyo-tools on amd64 -- wheezy:
2.5.0-20120414-2; jessie: 2.5.0-20140601-1; stretch:
2.5.0-20140601-7; sid: 2.5.0-20140601-7
33 [00:11:52] <google77> cool
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36 [00:12:32] <google77> I guess I want to study Tomoyo and its
fork Akari a bit in a virtual machine.
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39 [00:12:54] <google77> Finally something to dissect a bit :D
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156 [01:09:11] <cusn> I broke my package manager. (apt-get) Tried
to manually remove Google-chrome-stable (thought I had installed it
manually). Now I get error message on every apt operation I do, and
i can't get Google-chrome-stab;e to install or remove. Is there
anyway i can for apt-get to remove the zombie remnants?
157 [01:10:10] <rjsalts> cusn: use a paste service and show us
the output
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159 [01:11:19] <rjsalts> cusn: or man dpkg and search for force.
There are many categories of what you can force, depending on your
problem
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161 [01:11:40] <cusn>
replaced-url
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178 [01:18:46] <rjsalts> cusn: have a look at
/var/lib/dpkg/info/google-chrome-stable.postinst. It's erroring
when calling xdg-icon-resource, if it's same as on my system
then there is a bug on line 16
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180 [01:19:21] <rjsalts> cusn: actually I misread the script, it
should be fine
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182 [01:19:32] <cusn> urf. :)
183 [01:20:23] <cusn> Can I manually remove the dpkg info file
for gooogle-chrome stabe and then re-install?
184 [01:21:09] <rjsalts> cusn: try running for icon in
"/opt/google/chrome/product_logo_"*.png; do
size="${icon##*/product_logo_}";echo ${size%.png};done and
see what it says
185 [01:22:00] <cusn> /opt/google/chrome is gone forevermore..
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187 [01:22:56] <cusn> Quth the Raven, "You're a
Bore!"
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192 [01:25:02] <rjsalts> cusn: it's trying to finish the
install of google chrome. If you do dpkg -i google-chome-stable..deb
then it should put those files in place. or you could do dpkg
--purge google-chrome-stable
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198 [01:26:53] <cusn> those both erred out
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200 [01:27:31] <cusn> xdg-icon-resource: size argument must be
numeric and no such deb file (" cannot access archive: No such
file or directory
201 [01:27:31] <cusn> ")
202 [01:28:41] <rjsalts> cusn: when I said dpkg -i
google-chrome-stable..deb I meant /path/to/deb. e.g. it might be
dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/google-chrome-stable_*deb
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204 [01:29:11] <cusn> ah, ok
205 [01:29:26] <rjsalts> cusn: but editing or removing
/var/lib/dpkg/info/google-chrome-stable.postinst will also work
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235 [01:45:41] <cusn> rjsalts: Thank you for the help.
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237 [01:46:00] <cusn> Still borked, but I appreciate the effort.
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245 [01:49:06] <rjsalts> cusn: you deleted
/var/lib/dpkg/info/google-chrome-stable.postinst and ran dpkg
--configure -a and it's still borked?
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255 [01:55:04] <AciD`> hey
256 [01:55:26] <AciD`> I installed a fresh debian (stretch) on a
root btrfs partition (20Gio)
257 [01:55:56] <AciD`> it keeps getting full with `dh` showing
18Gio is used, 0 is free
258 [01:56:03] <AciD`> is there a way to stop that madness?
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267 [01:59:15] <AciD`> I just removed all the snapshots created
by snapper, got 2.7Gio back
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269 [01:59:54] <AciD`> literally 1 second later, tried to remove
snapper : 'disk full, cannot remove snapper'
270 [01:59:55] <AciD`> :/
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299 [02:18:04] <aaronlevy> I am running (essentially): apt-get
update && apt-get install <a few packages> &&
apt-get upgrade -- but I am still seeing some out of date packages
(OpenSSL, for example). However, if I run apt-get update &&
apt-get upgrade again as a second step - the packages are updated.
Concrete example e.g. why is this line needed:
300 [02:18:06] <aaronlevy>
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308 [02:23:04] <aaronlevy> nm. I believe it is a docker thing
(caching a pre-built layer).
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325 [02:36:15] <pingfloyd> aaronlevy: if you see packages help
back, you need to use apt-get dist-upgrade
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331 [02:39:20] <sandeepkr_> is there a a debian based OS that
comes with numpy and matplotlib pre installed?
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333 [02:40:22] <aedinius> preinstalled? why not just install it?
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343 [02:46:02] <sandeepkr_> aedinius, i know but the case here is
a bit different.Need it for a live cd.
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347 [02:51:21] <rjsalts> sandeepkr_: you can build custom live
cds
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350 [02:52:40] <sandeepkr_> rjsalts, with the help of which
utility?
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358 [02:57:22] <rjsalts> sandeepkr_: there are debian-live
packages in the repo to help build them.
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362 [02:59:14] <rjsalts> sandeepkr_: or maybe
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374 [03:07:55] <sandeepkr_> thanks rjsalts
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387 [03:13:16] <toruvinn> eeeeh. hello, what would be the best
solution to get newer sqlite3 package in wheezy, without
dist-upgrading (dont want to do that, not yet)? dpkg-building from
the jessie source for example? sadly it's not in backports.
388 [03:13:27] <somiaj> ,v sqlite3
389 [03:13:28] <judd> Package: sqlite3 on amd64 -- wheezy:
3.7.13-1+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 3.7.13-1+deb7u3; jessie-security:
3.8.7.1-1+deb8u1; jessie: 3.8.7.1-1+deb8u2; stretch: 3.14.2-1; sid:
3.14.2-1
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391 [03:13:54] <somiaj> toruvinn: you could try to backport the
sqlite from jessie by following /msg dpkg ssb
392 [03:13:59] <somiaj> !wheezy-lts
393 [03:13:59] <dpkg> Security support for Debian 7
"Wheezy" from the Debian Security Team ended on
2016-04-25. The amd64, i386, armel and armhf architectures receive
additional long term support (LTS) via <wheezy/updates> until
2018-05-31. See
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394 [03:14:07] <toruvinn> somiaj, yeah, i need 3.8.2 at least for
"without rowid" support.
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396 [03:14:38] <toruvinn> somiaj, mhmm. let's see. thanks.
397 [03:14:53] <somiaj> toruvinn: though depending on your time
line it might also be a good push to think about changing to jessie.
Though streetch will be out before wheezy-lts is done.
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399 [03:15:17] <somiaj> Note you will have to take responsbility
for security support for this backport you make.
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403 [03:16:12] <toruvinn> somiaj, thanks.
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444 [03:35:28] <tom99> hey somiaj
445 [03:35:39] <tom99> any idea how to go about filing a bug
report for a package on wheezy and/or jessie?
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447 [03:36:04] <tom99> surfist and i were talking about a
defective packages libgweather in the gnome desktop
448 [03:36:07] <tom99> and ways to maybe fix it or patch it
449 [03:36:12] <jmcnaught> tom99:
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454 [03:36:49] <jmcnaught> it's unlikely to get fixed in
wheezy, and will probably only get fixed in jessie if it
doesn't require a version bump
455 [03:37:03] <jmcnaught> (and if someone contributes a fix)
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468 [03:39:44] <tom99> what do you mean by version bump?
469 [03:39:56] <jmcnaught> tom99: version increase
470 [03:39:59] <tom99> if you go the source package on the gnome
site then the latest version fixes the problem with it
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472 [03:40:06] <tom99> so it would have to be a version update i
think
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478 [03:40:54] <ryouma> jmcnaught: my understanding from a prev
conv is that somebody was working on it and it would be fixed in
jessie. but this was a while back.
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482 [03:41:16] <jmcnaught> tom99: fixes are often backported to
packages in Debian Stable. This is different than backporting a
package, it means taking a patch that fixes the issue and applying
it to the version in Debian Stable
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484 [03:41:21] <tom99> i think there might be dependency issues
as well, so a wheezy update may be impossible. but it also
doesn't work in jessie IIRC
485 [03:41:43] <jmcnaught> tom99: only in rare circumstances
involving security will versions increase in a Debian Stable
release, like the samba upgrade a few months ago
486 [03:41:57] <ryouma> jmcnaught: so backports can contain both
types of backports?
487 [03:41:59] <jmcnaught> ryouma: is there a bug already
reported for it?
488 [03:42:02] <tom99> so if it was to be fixed in jessie then
the preferred way would be a patch?
489 [03:42:14] <ryouma> jmcnaught: no clue. i don't
understand deiban's mechanisms or i'd have tried to look
it up.
490 [03:42:26] <jmcnaught> ryouma: what is the package name?
491 [03:42:32] <ryouma> weather-util, i think
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493 [03:43:11] <ryouma> also it's broken in gkrellm's
weahter app
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495 [03:43:22] <ryouma> (for precisely the same reason most
likely)
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497 [03:43:55] <jmcnaught> ryouma: you can log bugs up with
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505 [03:45:02] <tom99> we were discussing two different packages,
libgweather-3-0 and weather-util. I believe they are independent
from what my system is telling me.
506 [03:45:12] <tom99> but surfist might know more
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511 [03:45:44] <tom99> we had a simple fix for weather util,
changing the URL in a couple files fixed it
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514 [03:45:51] <tom99> so that would be the time to use a patch?
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520 [03:47:19] <ryouma> jmcnaught: thanks. seems the bug is
there.
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522 [03:47:54] <jmcnaught> tom99: the first step is to look for
the bug, but don't expect it to be fixed for wheezy, which is
LTS only now
523 [03:48:02] <ryouma> jmcnaught: suppose i figure it will take
too long for them to fix it (no clue). then would i (1) just edit
the files in place or (2) perform some clever debian redirection
thing to the fixed files?
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525 [03:48:39] <ryouma> (or (3) figure out how to recompile my
own package or whatever)
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529 [03:49:28] <ryouma> seems to be this for weather-util
replaced-url
530 [03:49:29] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
531 [03:50:02] <ryouma> except it is grave, judd
532 [03:50:09] <acu> what is the current kernel in Debian Stretch
?
533 [03:50:22] <TomTomTosch> ,kernels
534 [03:50:23] <judd> Available kernel versions are:
experimental: 4.7.0-rc7-686 (4.7~rc7-1~exp1); sid: 4.7.0-1-686
(4.7.5-1); stretch: 4.7.0-1-686 (4.7.4-2); jessie-backports:
4.6.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.6.4-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae
(3.16.36-1+deb8u1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae
(3.16.36-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.81-2)
535 [03:50:39] <stensonlives> <b>Hi</b>.
536 [03:50:42] <jmcnaught> ryouma: there is dpkg-divert. or you
could download the source package and try to make a patch for it
537 [03:51:00] <acu> thanks judd
538 [03:51:39] <ryouma> hmm, that was what i was thinking of, but
from the man page seems like it wouldn't work here
539 [03:52:34] <jhutchins> Is there some trick to getting ssh
working with the live CD? I keep getting key errors when I try to
connect. It could just be a bad IDE controller is not loading sshd
cleanly.
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542 [03:54:55] <tom99> jmcnaught, so we've found the bug and
also identified a fix which I tested.
543 [03:55:04] <tom99> Is the next step to submit some sort of
patch?
544 [03:55:40] <tom99> The fix is actually suggested by the
maintainer in the thread, so I'm not sure submitting a patch
would be meaningful.
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546 [03:56:27] <jmcnaught> tom99: you mean weather-util? i'm
sure a patch would be welcome. i didn't read the bug report
though.
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549 [03:57:05] <jmcnaught> jhutchins: is it the client or server
running the live CD?
550 [03:57:17] <tom99> jmcnaught: it is a simple URL change of a
couple files
551 [03:57:28] <tom99> but for some reason it hasn't been
fixed by the maintainer
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553 [03:58:42] <somiaj> tom99: what files? Config files? Creating
a patch and submitting it to the bug report can help move things
along.
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555 [03:59:32] <tom99> somiaj: the file weather.py which is in
/usr/share
556 [03:59:40] <somiaj> tom99:
replaced-url
557 [04:00:09] <somiaj> most likey the source package uses quilt
and with that you can download the jessie source, apply all the
patches then create a new one using quilt.
558 [04:00:24] <tom99> somiaj: i don't understand, a package
that already uses Quilt?
559 [04:00:34] <tom99> oh ok
560 [04:01:04] <somiaj> tom99: the debian patches on the source
are made with quilt. Those instructions should work (I'm unsure
if all debian sources use quilt but I think most do)
561 [04:01:12] <somiaj> well note made, managed.
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564 [04:02:57] <tom99> hmm ok thanks somiaj
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566 [04:03:04] <tom99> that looks like something i could get
started with I guess
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568 [04:03:25] <tom99> once the patch is submitted what do you
think the likelihood of it being verified and applied is?
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572 [04:04:29] <jmcnaught> tom99: i don't think it will
happen at all for wheezy. for jessie it could happen for a point
release
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575 [04:05:14] <tom99> hmm. i'm not sure how encouraging
that is, esp given the maintainer surely knows about the fix already
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577 [04:05:37] <jhutchins> jmcnaught server on live cd.
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580 [04:05:53] <jhutchins> jmcnaught: Not sure which one I
grabbed, its non-GUI though.
581 [04:06:08] <jmcnaught> maintainers are often very busy
people, if you submit a patch that works it will help move things
along
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583 [04:06:32] <tom99> alright thanks jmcnaught
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585 [04:06:45] <jmcnaught> jhutchins: and you're getting an
error on the client? what is the error? is replacing the host keys
okay?
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588 [04:09:01] <jmcnaught> (and do you have console access?)
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590 [04:09:17] <jhutchins> jmcnaught: It's getting a key
error, even though I'm trying to login with a password. Pam is
enabled.
591 [04:09:46] <jhutchins> jmcnaught: The problem is it's a
wounded server, and so far I get a limited window to work on it
before the DVD fails and I can't do any system calls.
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593 [04:10:17] <jmcnaught> jhutchins: what does the error say? is
it about client or host keys?
594 [04:10:32] <jhutchins> jmcnaught: I don't think it says
which it is.
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596 [04:11:02] <jmcnaught> jhutchins: not even with -vvv? can you
make a paste?
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599 [04:11:25] <jhutchins> jmcnaught: I was looking for knowledge
of the live configuration, I can do diagnostics tomorow if I have
time to bring it up, but like I said it's a limited window, and
I don't want to spend what may be finite time dinking with
diagnostics and configuration.
600 [04:12:05] <jhutchins> jmcnaught: I do have experience
diagnosing ssh connections, but I'd like it if the blasted live
image just worked.
601 [04:12:47] <jmcnaught> jhutchins: sure, it's just hard
to know what your problem is without the error message. if it's
a problem with the host keys and you have console access, i would
regenerate themm
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603 [04:13:01] <jhutchins> jmcnaught: I may re-burn it, I'm
getting a LOT of buffer errors as it boots. So far the new DVD drive
has not failed outright though, so if I have time to spend tomorrow
I may get it working. I know I had it working before because I
recovered some of the system.
604 [04:13:26] <simbalion> Hi, since accidentally removing some
packages the other day, I can't 'open with gedit'
items on my desktop anymore. Can someone tell me what controls that?
605 [04:13:26] <jhutchins> jmcnaught: Yes, like I said, not
asking for diagnostic help, asking for knowledge of live.
606 [04:14:18] <jhutchins> simbalion: mime types? Look at your
apt/dpkg logs and see what you removed.
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608 [04:14:36] <simbalion> jhutchins: thanks but there's
like 30 packages and I have no idea what most of them are. I already
tried that.
609 [04:14:48] <jhutchins> jmcnaught: THanks for the thoughts
though. If I get time to hack at it tomorrow I may ask for help.
610 [04:15:16] <simbalion> It shouldn't matter what type of
file it is. I right click it and select 'open with gedit'
it should send a command 'gedit %1'. That is what's
broken.
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612 [04:15:25] <jhutchins> I think burning a new DVD in hopes
that it's a bad copy is one step. My theory is that the IDE
controller is failing and that trashed the boot disk.
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614 [04:15:41] <somiaj> simbalion: is the package gedit
installed?
615 [04:15:48] <jhutchins> simbalion: Ok, well as long as you
know what the problem is then.
616 [04:15:49] <bmomjian> When I do: sh -c "sleep 400;
ls" &, and kill the $! pid, any idea why the sleep 400
keeps running?
617 [04:16:06] <simbalion> jhutchins: I asked what package
controls that. Thanks.
618 [04:16:55] <somiaj> simbalion: by cannot open, you mean that
option is no longer there?
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620 [04:17:07] <simbalion> I didn't say that, did I?
621 [04:17:21] <simbalion> oh I guess I did, I should have worded
it better.
622 [04:17:31] <simbalion> The option is there, it does not do
anything.
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624 [04:17:54] <somiaj> simbalion: just trying to be clear. And
you said the gedit package is installed, so if you run gedit foo
from the command line it works?
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626 [04:18:07] <simbalion> somiaj: I'll try from the CLI
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628 [04:18:29] <simbalion> works as expected from the CLI
629 [04:18:57] <jmcnaught> simbalion: can you run nautilus from a
terminal emulator, and then watch it for errors when you try to open
with gedit?
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632 [04:19:46] <simbalion> jmcnaught: nautilus was not installed,
that is one of the packages that was removed. I'm reinstalling
it now
633 [04:20:08] <simbalion> it looks like it is installing most of
the other packages too, as dependencies
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635 [04:20:22] <somiaj> nautilus is the filemanager which
basically controlls the desktop. I'm surprised you had the menu
without nautilus.
636 [04:20:33] <somiaj> maybe the menu is part of gnome, but
nautilus is needed to run the commands on the files.
637 [04:20:37] <jmcnaught> simbalion: maybe i missed it, but what
program were right-clicking icons in if not nautilus?
638 [04:20:40] <simbalion> somiaj: I'm using xfce4, dunno
how their desktop works
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640 [04:21:05] <jmcnaught> oh... probably thunar or something
641 [04:21:17] <jmcnaught> simbalion: do you have the
task-xfce-desktop package installed?
642 [04:21:21] <simbalion> if I run nautilus from CLI and
'open with gedit' it works, but still doesnt work from the
desktop
643 [04:21:49] <simbalion> jmcnaught: thanks that was
half-installed
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645 [04:22:11] <simbalion> The lesson here is never apt-get
install selinux
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648 [04:22:36] <simbalion> well open with gedit still isn't
working but maybe I need to restart X first
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653 [04:23:42] <jmcnaught> simbalion: selinux isn't a
package on Debian. out of curiousity, what did you install exactly?
654 [04:23:51] <simbalion> jmcnaught: yes it is
655 [04:24:09] <simbalion> there aren't any profile packages
but selinux has a package
656 [04:24:13] <jmcnaught> ,i selinux
657 [04:24:14] <judd> No package named 'selinux' was
found in jessie/amd64.
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659 [04:25:35] <simbalion> jmcnaught: weird, I did an apt-cache
search selinux and I don't see it but when I installed it the
other day "selinux" was absolutely in the list of packages
to be installed.
660 [04:25:48] <simbalion> I think I was installing setools
661 [04:25:49] <jmcnaught> simbalion: there are other packages
like selinux-utils, but i asked because you wrote "apt-get
install selinux" which makes me wonder if you installed a third
party package. On debian stable, installing a package like
selinux-utils shouldn't remove xfce packages
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664 [04:27:09] <simbalion> jmcnaught: Yeah something went
terribly wrong.
665 [04:27:29] <jmcnaught> simbalion: "apt-get -s install
setools selinux-utils selinux-basics"
replaced-url
666 [04:27:30] <simbalion> jmcnaught: it tried to remove systemd
and a bunch of other important packages
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668 [04:27:39] <jmcnaught> it doesn't remove anything
669 [04:27:55] <simbalion> jmcnaught: Not going to argue about
it. I've been in here asking for help the past 3 days as a
result of what it did
670 [04:28:14] <simbalion> That is probably because some of the
packages I'm using are from backports
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674 [04:29:27] <somiaj> simbalion: care to share the output of
apt-cache policy at paste.debian.net
675 [04:29:33] <somiaj> simbalion: care to share the output of
'apt-cache policy' at paste.debian.net
676 [04:29:42] <somiaj> arg, I didn't need to repeate that.
:/
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678 [04:30:06] <simbalion> If I had more time I'd be happy
to help debug but I dont
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680 [04:31:05] <simbalion> I'm willing to accept it was a
freak occurence due to my particular system make-up, and if I had
just paid more attention to what apt was saying at the time I never
would have let it do the initial damage.
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682 [04:31:08] <somiaj> well if you are mixing sources you should
know about it soon and fix it.
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686 [04:31:25] <simbalion> I'm not mixing sources
687 [04:31:37] <simbalion> I install some things from backports,
thats all
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689 [04:32:40] <somiaj> that can sometimes cause issues due to
how backports is pinned.
690 [04:32:54] <simbalion> yes I understood the risks
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692 [04:33:12] <simbalion> unfortunately some of the software I
want to use required using backports to get up to date versions
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695 [04:34:06] <tx> stable in a nutshell
696 [04:34:07] <tx> :)
697 [04:34:17] <simbalion> yup
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699 [04:34:58] <ceon> live is interessting
700 [04:34:58] <ceon> :-)
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702 [04:35:00] <simbalion> all things considered, I think Debian
does it best
703 [04:35:06] <tx> of course
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705 [04:35:13] <tx> I use stable for things I want stable
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707 [04:35:20] <tx> not as a desktop OS though. it's
sid/stretch for that.
708 [04:35:27] <ceon> I love debian
709 [04:35:29] <stoned> I use stable for desktop
710 [04:35:31] <simbalion> I want my desktop to be stable
711 [04:35:31] <stoned> fulltime
712 [04:35:34] <stoned> works great
713 [04:35:43] <tx> I imagine it would!
714 [04:35:44] <somiaj> backports are fine to use, just sometimes
apt can't figure out the best solution when jessie-backport
packages are installed and it hits a version dependency issue.
Instead of looking in backports for a solution it may remove
packages.
715 [04:35:48] <simbalion> I can't stand when stuff breaks.
and I use my desktop for my primary work PC so it needs to function
when I tell it to
716 [04:35:58] <ceon> but often I got problems make easy stuff
:-(
717 [04:35:58] <ceon> I know since hmm 10 years cuos is on 632
718 [04:36:16] <stoned> I don't know why people always want
to use the latest software
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721 [04:36:41] <simbalion> stoned: features. For example the
nginx that ships with jessie is very outdated, doesn't include
support for HTTP/2, for one example.
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723 [04:37:03] <simbalion> the nginx in backports is up to date
tho and includes HTTP/2 support
724 [04:37:05] <ceon> port nuber stoned gg+
725 [04:37:08] <ceon> lol
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727 [04:37:17] <tx> stoned: Because I am a software engineer.
728 [04:37:25] <tx> Part of that involves trying new things.
729 [04:37:36] <ceon> Fist time I meet normal people in here lol*
730 [04:37:51] <stoned> There is no such thing as normal
731 [04:38:07] <ceon> of course I study software design
732 [04:38:11] <jmcnaught> simbalion: for stuff like nginx you
should install it in a container or a VM, not directly on your
desktop system
733 [04:38:20] <simbalion> I bet most average PC users would be
happy with stable. Most people use their PC for web browsing,
youtube, and maybe email, and that's all.
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737 [04:38:31] <tx> Of course.
738 [04:38:32] <ceon> hmm
739 [04:38:42] <simbalion> jmcnaught: I don't have nginx on
my desktop it was just an example. I manage a dozen servers that run
nginx tho
740 [04:38:57] <ceon> I make brake of study and work
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742 [04:39:29] <ceon> I wanna do at leat 2 years Graphic stuff
743 [04:39:29] <ceon> Gang Of 4 ...
744 [04:39:29] <ceon> burnt me kind of out ..
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746 [04:39:50] <jmcnaught> ceon: do you have a Debian question?
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749 [04:40:03] <ceon> I was 10 year admin
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751 [04:40:35] <ceon> most people use them PC at work and hate if
them have to leran like SAP - new mask...
752 [04:40:35] <ceon> private they all use just mobile
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755 [04:41:41] <ceon> yes I really trie all called root at night
756 [04:41:41] <ceon> but want help - mine histoty aint work :-(
757 [04:41:41] <ceon> history
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760 [04:42:17] <ceon> and I still drive debian 8
761 [04:42:22] <ceon> or Knoppix
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764 [04:42:38] <ceon> I think I was born with Linux DNA lol
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766 [04:43:08] <ceon> and by the way
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768 [04:43:26] <ceon> non of us got much time so
769 [04:43:36] <missmbob> !offtopic
770 [04:43:36] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for
Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and
take longer discussions and non-support questions to
#debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of
people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few
minutes every day.
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772 [04:43:48] <ceon> technican engineers please
773 [04:43:48] <ceon> think
774 [04:43:48] <ceon> faster
775 [04:43:48] <ceon> better
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779 [04:44:13] <TomTomTosch> debhelper says no^^
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824 [05:10:32] <saboru> he was just feelin' lonely the poor
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847 [05:27:58] <adhy> hay
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852 [05:30:50] <annoymouse4210> Is it safe to install sid debian
package in jessie?
853 [05:31:08] <dvs> no
854 [05:31:08] <missmbob> no
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856 [05:32:05] <annoymouse4210> then what a bout testing?
857 [05:32:17] <missmbob> no
858 [05:32:18] <annoymouse4210> what about installing testing?
859 [05:32:18] <dvs> no
860 [05:32:20] <annoymouse4210> no??
861 [05:32:50] <missmbob> !tell annoymouse4210 about
jessie-backports
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864 [05:37:41] <biotim> generally not good to mix packages from
different releases
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865 [05:38:01] <annoymouse4210> yesreplaced-url
866 [05:38:08] <missmbob> annoymouse4210: care to tell us which
package?
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868 [05:38:37] <annoymouse4210>
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870 [05:38:49] <annoymouse4210> I need 0.6.5.8 , since I want to
change my kernel 4.8
871 [05:39:01] <missmbob> ,checkbackport zfs-dkms
872 [05:39:02] <judd> Backporting package zfs-dkms in
sid→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using
jessie.
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874 [05:39:07] <missmbob> should be easy enough
875 [05:39:14] <missmbob> !tell annoymouse4210 about ssb
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877 [05:40:20] <annoymouse4210> dkms dosen't work because it
is only applied up to kernel 4.7
878 [05:40:59] <dvs> 4.8 isn't even released yet
879 [05:41:42] <missmbob> that's sns at it's best ;)
880 [05:42:34] <annoymouse4210> oh I see..
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969 [05:50:08] <vvande> In case anybody's interested:
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1027 [05:58:15] <evnmatt> More White genocide, evil Jew spam?
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1043 [06:00:26] <pingfloyd> isn't 10% newer worth dkms not
working though?
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1100 [06:24:58] <jair> hello everyone, anyone have been able to
pair bluetooth devices successfully?
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1102 [06:25:08] <jair> headsets? mice? for example
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1104 [06:25:32] <tx> yes
1105 [06:25:39] <tx> I use my BT headphones daily
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1109 [06:27:32] <Rusty1_> !mint
1110 [06:27:33] <dpkg> Linux Mint is not Debian and is not
supported in #debian. Please use their forums at
replaced-url
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1112 [06:27:48] <Rusty1_> jair: umkay?
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1119 [06:33:41] <jair> tx: hi there sorry about that
1120 [06:34:11] <tx> ?
1121 [06:34:20] <jair> tx: I am wondering if this is an issue
after some of the package upgrades in debian, but before I did pair
a file very easily
1122 [06:34:41] <jair> tx: currently I am having issues pairing
the headsets and also mice
1123 [06:34:44] <tx> try removing the device in blueman-manager
1124 [06:34:49] <tx> and re-adding
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1126 [06:35:09] <jair> tx: I did that no luck so I removed the
blue-man because it did not produced any change
1127 [06:35:36] <tx> what are you using to manage bluetooth
devices?
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1140 [06:45:49] <jair> tx: sorry I am using the default
"bluetooth" package applet in the cinnamon desktop I
installed as GUI
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1208 [07:32:02] <joj[]> Is there a canonical way for adding
entries to fstab from package maintainerscripts? I.e. possibly not
just 'echo'
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1213 [07:34:22] <missmbob> joj[]: you should ask them. #ubuntu
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1217 [07:34:54] <tx> missmbob: just because joj[] said canonical
1218 [07:34:56] <tx> doesn't mean ubuntu lol
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1220 [07:35:19] <tx> canonical actually has a dictionary meaning
too
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1224 [07:38:35] <rjsalts> i.e. accepted as being accurate and
authoritative
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1229 [07:40:30] <rjsalts> joj[]: I don't know of any packages
that append things to /etc/fstab. You'd presumably want it to
be idempotent
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1232 [07:42:21] <no_gravity> Can a command that has been forked
with & be reattached to?
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1235 [07:43:15] <missmbob> no_gravity: fg
1236 [07:44:17] <no_gravity> missmbob: "man fg" gives me
"fg [job_spec]". What is job_spec?
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1240 [07:44:50] <rjsalts> no_gravity: 1 2 3 etc. If you have
multiple backgrounded processes
1241 [07:45:28] <no_gravity> rjsalts: How do I get the number?
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1243 [07:46:09] <rjsalts> no_gravity: e.g. "[1]+
Stopped" when you hit ctrl-z or "[1] pid" if you do
foo&
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1245 [07:46:24] <missmbob> or jobs
1246 [07:46:37] <missmbob> that'll give you the id
1247 [07:46:49] <no_gravity> "[1] pid"?
1248 [07:46:57] <missmbob> so then you'd do fg 1
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1250 [07:47:30] <rjsalts>
replaced-url
1251 [07:47:36] <no_gravity> missmbob: Not sure what you mean.
1252 [07:47:43] <no_gravity> missmbob: I did this: wget 127.0.0.1
&
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1256 [07:48:00] <rjsalts> [1] being the job id, and pid being the
numeric process id
1257 [07:48:02] <no_gravity> missmbob: I set it up so that wget
takes forever. So I have time trying to reattach.
1258 [07:48:12] <no_gravity> missmbob: Now how can I reattach to
wget?
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1260 [07:48:41] <no_gravity> ps tells me the pid of wget, but
"fg <pid>" does not work.
1261 [07:48:45] <missmbob> i'm not sure i can be clearer. fg.
if you have multiple background jobs you type jobs to get the id.
then fg id
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1263 [07:49:07] <missmbob> it's job id. not pid
1264 [07:49:11] <no_gravity> missmbob: I see. That seems to only
work in the shell where the process was started.
1265 [07:49:16] <missmbob> yes
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1267 [07:49:26] <no_gravity> Can I reattach from another shell?
1268 [07:49:34] <missmbob> for that you need to look into screen
or tmux.
1269 [07:50:04] <no_gravity> missmbob: I know screen and tmux. But
my use case is: Attach to a process that was started and forked in
another shell.
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1271 [07:50:49] <ransur0t> glances?
1272 [07:51:03] <no_gravity> Googling around, the solution seems
to be quite complex.
1273 [07:51:21] <no_gravity> Creating a fifo pipe and then
attaching the process to it via gdb.
1274 [07:51:30] <rjsalts> aye
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1283 [07:53:26] <rjsalts> no_gravity:
replaced-url
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1286 [07:53:46] <no_gravity> rjsalts: Yeah, saw that answer about
reptyr.
1287 [07:53:55] <no_gravity> rjsalts: Prefer to only use already
installed tools though.
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1289 [07:55:06] <rjsalts> no_gravity: the reptyr is basically a
bunch of automation around the fifo gdb open file descriptors, etc.
1290 [07:55:15] <no_gravity> rjsalts: Yeah
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1292 [07:55:55] <gebruiker> is the new flash alerady available for
linux?
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1296 [07:56:28] <gebruiker> source:
replaced-url
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1309 [07:59:08] <Lady_Aleena> Okay, dpkg can't find anything
on "search packages" or "find packages". Any
suggestions?
1310 [08:00:05] <rjsalts> Lady_Aleena: I think that's the
other bot, datase or something?
1311 [08:00:21] <joj[]> rjsalts: I see. I was hoping for something
similar like pam-auth-update and friends. So I'll roll my own,
thanks.
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1314 [08:01:02] <Lady_Aleena> rjsalts, datese is not online.
1315 [08:01:03] <ransur0t> Lady_Aleena: apt-cache search
<package> or apt-cache policy <package>
1316 [08:01:06] <rjsalts> joj[]: You could look on debian
codesearch
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1325 [08:04:54] <rjsalts> joj[]:
replaced-url
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1327 [08:05:30] <Lady_Aleena> It is so hard to find something like
GTK3 themes.
1328 [08:05:37] <rjsalts> joj[]: yep, there is nothing that
touches fstab in postinst
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1344 [08:10:32] <doublehp> Dillo, same version on two computers,
will show images on desktop, not on rPi; any idea ?
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1355 [08:16:30] <Lady_Aleena> Um, I just tried using wine and was
just told wine command not found. Is wine a root only command?
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1357 [08:16:40] <missmbob> no
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1360 [08:17:51] <Lady_Aleena> So why did "wine
Downloads/npp.7.Installer.x64.exe" return "bash: wine:
command not found"?
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1362 [08:18:13] <missmbob> how did you install wine?
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1365 [08:18:35] <Lady_Aleena> missmbob, didn't it come with
Debian 8 install?
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1367 [08:19:02] <missmbob> Lady_Aleena: it's not installed by
default, no. you have to apt-get install it
1368 [08:19:31] <Lady_Aleena> missmbob, one would think it would
come with the install.
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1370 [08:19:47] <babilen> dpkg: wine
1371 [08:19:47] <dpkg> wine is, like, ine (Wine Is Not an
Emulator) is an application intended to allow execution of Microsoft
Windows programs on Unix-like operating systems. Application
compatibility database:
replaced-url
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1377 [08:21:14] <missmbob> Lady_Aleena: also, fyi,
replaced-url
1378 [08:21:24] <missmbob> installing wine for notepad++ is kind
of silly
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1381 [08:22:31] <Lady_Aleena> missmbob, well notepadd++ is the
only text editor with everything I need.
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1384 [08:24:34] <Lady_Aleena> Great, it won't install.
I'm so screwd.
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1387 [08:25:25] <Lady_Aleena> Looks like I'll have to go nuts
learning a new text editor and getting used to not having everything
I need.
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1392 [08:25:57] <missmbob> Lady_Aleena: notepadqq should be an
exact clone
1393 [08:26:07] <missmbob> but learning something new never hurt
1394 [08:26:27] <Lady_Aleena> missmbob, notepadqq is missing A
LOT!
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1403 [08:28:38] <Lady_Aleena> missmbob, but my eyes will bleed for
a long while since I can't configure the styles the way I want
and I will always be fighting the text editors line wrapping.
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1416 [08:31:09] <ti-mo> Morn
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1418 [08:31:25] <ti-mo> Morning/afternoon/evening
1419 [08:31:46] <ti-mo> Does anyone know where the 4.6 kernel
package went in backports?
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1423 [08:32:25] <ti-mo>
replaced-url
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1427 [08:32:54] <ti-mo> same for
replaced-url
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1429 [08:33:14] <Lady_Aleena> After I installed wine and tried in
install notepad++, I was given this message: as root, please execute
"dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update
&&
1430 [08:33:14] <Lady_Aleena> apt-get install wine32"
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1432 [08:34:20] <Lady_Aleena> Now whenever I apt-get update, I get
the following:
replaced-url
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1434 [08:34:45] <Lady_Aleena> Is there a way to reverse the
previous to correct the apt-get update?
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1436 [08:35:24] <no_gravity> When I fork a command with & -
and I see it's job #1. Do I do "disown 1" and then I
am able to exit the shell without killing it?
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1443 [08:36:48] <no_gravity> Hmm.. no, that gives me "-bash:
disown: 1: no such job"
1444 [08:36:59] <no_gravity> Strange. I see it as "1" in
the output of "jobs".
1445 [08:37:26] <no_gravity> Do i have to "bg" it first?
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1462 [08:41:54] <tom99> question
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1464 [08:42:08] <tom99> what programs do you guys like to use for
symbolic computation and mathematical operations?
1465 [08:42:21] <tom99> i'm thinking things like maxima, but
I'm not sure if there's other ones.
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1472 [08:43:29] <no_gravity> "disown" with no parameter
seems to work.
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1486 [08:48:31] <Jidoor> how would i make this work scp
$remote:/path/to/target /path/to/destination
1487 [08:48:40] <Jidoor> i want to use an environment variable for
hostname
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1492 [08:50:33] <TomTomTosch> Lady_Aleena: 1386 is no valid
architecture. i386 is. dpkg --remove-architecture 1386 and try again
without a typo.
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1496 [08:51:59] <AciD`> Jidoor > export first?
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1508 [08:53:29] <Jidoor> i have the var exported
1509 [08:53:30] <morriswaker> Anyone seen that new Denial film by
Becker Street?
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1513 [08:54:01] <Jidoor> but it doesn't seem to work i guess
it doesnt know when the var name ends
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1519 [08:55:43] <Jidoor> hmm it worked now
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1523 [08:55:54] <Jidoor> think i just needed to make a new bash
session
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1545 [09:03:44] <Lady_Aleena> TomTomTosch, THANK YOU! THANK YOU!
THANK YOU!
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1563 [09:10:52] <TomTomTosch> Lady_Aleena: also keep in mind that
windows uses DOS newline symbols and linux uses unix ones. check if
you can save files with Unix/Linux line endings in notepad++ if you
want to use it to edit file in linux for some reason i can't
get behind.
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1566 [09:12:44] <Lady_Aleena> TomTomTosch, I can.
1567 [09:12:57] <Lady_Aleena> As soon as I can get this installed.
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1579 [09:19:02] <Lady_Aleena> I am getting the following message:
Fontconfig warning: "/etc/fonts/conf.d/50-user.conf", line
14: reading configurations from ~/.fonts.conf is deprecated. please
move it to /home/me/.config/fontconfig/fonts.conf manually
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1581 [09:19:27] <d0d50fe2e21a57c8> Funny song:
replaced-url
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1583 [09:20:15] <Lady_Aleena> So, I went to
/etc/fonts/conf.d/50-user.conf which lead me to
/usr/share/fontconfig/conf.avail/50-user.conf which looks like:
replaced-url
1584 [09:20:22] <Lady_Aleena> Do I delete the last two lines?
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1593 [09:24:40] <TomTomTosch> it's just a warning and
something that should be fixed by the maintainer fontconfig-config
1594 [09:24:49] <TomTomTosch> * of
1595 [09:25:03] <Lady_Aleena> TomTomTosch, I am getting it every
time I try to install something with wine.
1596 [09:25:21] <Lady_Aleena> 3 instances of it.
1597 [09:26:20] <Lady_Aleena>
replaced-url
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1602 [09:27:15] <TomTomTosch> yes, but it's just a warning.
you can remove those lines if it bothers you, though.
1603 [09:27:30] <TomTomTosch> or comment them out instead of
deleting them.
1604 [09:27:40] <Lady_Aleena> TomTomTosch, how do I get rid of
them when they come up whenever I use wine?
1605 [09:27:56] <TomTomTosch> a line above you have an example of
how to do multiline comments in XML
1606 [09:28:25] <Lady_Aleena> Oh comment the lines out of the
50-user.conf?
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1608 [09:28:36] <Lady_Aleena> I will give that a whirl.
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1610 [09:28:54] <TomTomTosch> yes, if it bothers you. but it will
not make the error go away, only the fontconfig warnings.
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1613 [09:29:18] <debian-alain> hi guys , could you help me ?
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1615 [09:29:43] <somiaj> debian-alain: just ask your question.
1616 [09:29:52] <Lady_Aleena> TomTomTosch, thank you again...
1617 [09:30:02] <debian-alain> i have a problem with melt and
v4l2-ctl
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1620 [09:30:37] <debian-alain> i have no more video and no more
sound on my system
1621 [09:30:51] <TomTomTosch> Lady_Aleena: on the n++ website they
also provide the binary in a zip file, try that if the installer
doesn't work. also, try the 32 bit version if the 64 bit one
doesn't work with wine.
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1624 [09:31:12] <darxmurf> hi all
1625 [09:32:07] <debian-alain> hi darxmurf
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1628 [09:32:37] <darxmurf> I have a basic SMB conf with a public
share. It's working fine on windows 7 or non updated windows 10
machines. No password is asked. Now for any obscure reason it's
kicking updated windows 8 and 10 out. Oo
1629 [09:33:01] <darxmurf> I tried now to change to : max protocol
= SMB2
1630 [09:33:04] <ranix> smb isn't working well for me lately
either
1631 [09:33:14] <ranix> I wasn't able to get it to improve by
forcing smb2
1632 [09:33:19] <Lady_Aleena> TomTomTosch, I've tried both
installers, neither work for me.
1633 [09:33:23] <darxmurf> but now I have a credential popup on
the windows
1634 [09:33:31] <ranix> it works fine for me on old versions of
windows but not on mac os
1635 [09:33:32] <darxmurf> I can enter any account and I can then
access the files
1636 [09:33:38] <darxmurf> but is there a way to avoid this popup
?
1637 [09:33:45] <ranix> haha wtf
1638 [09:33:46] <darxmurf> and force smb to use a dummy user ?
1639 [09:34:04] <ransur0t> Lady_Aleena: curious, why the need for
n++ with so many alternatives on linux?
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1642 [09:34:17] <darxmurf> map to guest = Bad User
1643 [09:34:17] <darxmurf> guest account = nobody
1644 [09:34:33] <darxmurf> this maps bad logon to a dummy user
1645 [09:34:41] <debian-alain> ey guys , but what about my problem
?
1646 [09:34:44] <Lady_Aleena> ransur0t, because Linux devs
don't believe in things like specificity in syntax
highlighting.
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1649 [09:34:56] <ranix> darx, can you just use a password
1650 [09:34:57] <TomTomTosch> wat? ^^
1651 [09:34:58] <darxmurf> but as this share is open, I don't
care about password :-/
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1653 [09:35:03] <ranix> how many users do you have
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1656 [09:35:37] <darxmurf> well, I have a script which copy files
from this share every time you launch a windows app.
1657 [09:35:48] <darxmurf> I can eventualy update this script
1658 [09:35:49] <ranix> a hack is to set up a samba share account
using the same username you log into windows with
1659 [09:35:51] <Lady_Aleena> ransur0t, it there were a *nix text
editor which could discern between a perl $scalar, @array, and %hash
I would use it.
1660 [09:35:52] <ranix> and using the same password
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1662 [09:36:15] <darxmurf> impossible, too much users
1663 [09:36:20] <ranix> k
1664 [09:36:29] <darxmurf> some of them are in a AD domain
1665 [09:36:33] <darxmurf> some other not
1666 [09:36:37] <Lady_Aleena> Kate and Kwrite lump them together
which is annoying.
1667 [09:36:41] <darxmurf> but this issue is weird
1668 [09:36:48] <ransur0t> Lady_Aleena: ah, I see ... I'm no
expert on such specifics, perhaps a dev would now of an app that
meets your needs ...
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1670 [09:36:57] <ransur0t> *know
1671 [09:37:31] <darxmurf> that's why I'm wondering if
there is a way to map any smb access to the same user without asking
a pass
1672 [09:37:46] <Lady_Aleena> ransur0t, the one closest was scite,
however, the config files all required root access while running
scite.
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1675 [09:38:20] <ranix> darxmurf: I think if you set "guest
only = yes" in smb.conf it might stop asking for a password
1676 [09:38:23] <Lady_Aleena> Now if scite's configs did not
require root, I might use it.
1677 [09:38:25] <TomTomTosch> Lady_Aleena: you tried the wrong
editors. notepad++, Kare, Kwrite are toys. try sublime text or one
of the many free development environments.
1678 [09:38:33] <ranix> darxmurf: as long as the guest user is
valid and stuff
1679 [09:39:10] <Lady_Aleena> TomTomTosch, can I turn line
wrapping off with a mouse click?
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1683 [09:40:26] <TomTomTosch> Lady_Aleena: sublime text is havily
modifiable, you can even set a key combination for that.
1684 [09:40:40] <d0d50fe2e21a57c8> SWASTIKA SWASTIKA SWASTIKA
SWASTIKA SWASTIKA SWASTIKA SWASTIKA SWASTIKA SWASTIKA SWASTIKA
SWASTIKA SWASTIKA SWASTIKA
1685 [09:40:47] <Lady_Aleena> TomTomTosch, um, E: Unable to locate
package sublime
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1689 [09:41:09] <d0d50fe2e21a57c8> SWASTIKA SWASTIKA SWASTIKA
SWASTIKA SWASTIKA SWASTIKA SWASTIKA SWASTIKA SWASTIKA SWASTIKA
SWASTIKA SWASTIKA SWASTIKA SWASTIKA SWASTIKA SWASTIKA SWASTIKA
1690 [09:41:15] <darxmurf> ranix: in the [global] or [share]
section ?
1691 [09:41:16] <Lady_Aleena> That guy was just banned from
##linux.
1692 [09:41:20] <ranix> just use the unicode swastika
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1696 [09:41:24] <ranix> idiot
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1701 [09:41:37] <ranix> search google for "unicode
swastika"
1702 [09:41:39] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jelly-home
1703 [09:41:39] *** jelly-home sets mode: +q
*!*@195-154-250-205.rev.poneytelecom.eu
1704 [09:41:39] <ranix> copy paste
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1706 [09:41:41] <ranix> how hard is it
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1713 [09:42:50] <darxmurf> well... it's maybe hard for a
dumbass
1714 [09:43:13] <ranix> I think it works in either if you only
have the one share
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1716 [09:43:23] <ranix> I'd try in share first
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1722 [09:44:26] <TomTomTosch> Lady_Aleena: it's not packaged
for debian. their website has a tarball. there are a bunch of free
development environments for debian. eclipse has a plugin for perl.
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1726 [09:45:56] <darxmurf> ah
1727 [09:45:56] <darxmurf> You should use security = user and map
to guest if you want to mainly setup shares without a
1728 [09:46:00] <darxmurf> password (guest shares). This is
commonly used for a shared printer server.
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1731 [09:46:13] <darxmurf> let's try
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1733 [09:46:58] <ranix> oh man cups, I remember that
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1739 [09:48:19] <Lady_Aleena> TomTomTosch, maybe when I am not on
the verge of tears every ten minutes. I still have to set up KMail
and that is going to be horrible too.
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1741 [09:48:39] <TomTomTosch> it's not running away.
1742 [09:48:45] <darxmurf> Helpdesk services will hate you
1743 [09:48:46] <darxmurf> if you set the map to guest parameter
this way :-).
1744 [09:48:48] <darxmurf> map pages...
1745 [09:48:49] <darxmurf> :D
1746 [09:48:51] <darxmurf> man
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1748 [09:50:43] <darxmurf> anyway it's not working :-/
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1768 [10:00:00] <Lady_Aleena> TomTomTosch, thank you for helping
me tonight.
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1770 [10:00:44] <TomTomTosch> np^^
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1776 [10:03:00] <darxmurf> ranix: the simple solution now is to
edit my windows script and add "/user:guest guest" in the
net use command
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1778 [10:03:19] <ranix> cool
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1783 [10:05:44] <edmont> hi
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1785 [10:05:55] <edmont> I made apt-get build-dep foo and a lot of
packages installed
1786 [10:06:00] <edmont> how I remove then?
1787 [10:06:19] <Lady_Aleena> Is there a way to run something,
like VLC, from the command line and be able to shut down the
terminal emulator without shutting down VLC?
1788 [10:06:36] <somiaj> edmont: you can look at the apt log for
the full list. I'm unsure if there is a nice automatic way to
remove them though.
1789 [10:06:44] <darxmurf> Lady_Aleena: add à & after
your command ?
1790 [10:07:06] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: there are ways to
disassociate with something like nohup. Though running in screen can
help too.
1791 [10:07:24] <somiaj> darxmurf: the process is still a child of
the terminal, so if the terminal dies, the process dies
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1793 [10:07:39] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: though tmux seems to be more
the rave these days than screen
1794 [10:07:58] <Lady_Aleena> The reason I asked is I was running
notepad++ from the command line, shut down the terminal emulator,
which shut down notepad++, which made me lose all the settings.
1795 [10:08:20] <darxmurf> somiaj: ah yep
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1800 [10:09:29] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: I'd suggest looking
into tmux or screen, this you can still reattach to the shell if you
kill the terminal.
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1802 [10:09:56] <bibble_> installed rtorrent yesterday, and ran as
normal user. found this in the logs and want to check
everything's OK ?
1803 [10:09:59] <bibble_>
replaced-url
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1807 [10:11:31] <TomTomTosch> Lady_Aleena: you can create desktop
files to start application with wine.
1808 [10:11:47] <Lady_Aleena> TomTomTosch, already have a favorite
key assigned to it.
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1813 [10:15:07] <Lady_Aleena> At least I didn't have to spend
a week to get sound working this time. (That only took about 3 hours
this time.)
1814 [10:15:40] <Lady_Aleena> If that.
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1819 [10:16:40] <Lady_Aleena> Now to figure out if I want to
continue to argue with Apache about my local perl libs, or give up
using local perl libs and install modules into the root libs.
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1827 [10:18:49] <Lady_Aleena> It appears Apache does not honor my
.bashrc settings when it comes to my local libs, and I can not find
a doc which tells me exactly how to set them up in plain speak.
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1837 [10:21:56] <Lady_Aleena> Kmail after I get some sleep, since
it is the thing which will have me broken and bleeding when I am
done.
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1839 [10:22:48] <ranix> Lady_Aleena: ctrl+z in the terminal to
send it to background
1840 [10:22:54] <ranix> bg to continue execution while it's
in the background
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1842 [10:22:59] <ranix> disown to detach it from the terminal
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1845 [10:23:54] <Lady_Aleena> ranix, I'm relaxing now. My
brain hurts.
1846 [10:23:57] <HelloEarth> hello
1847 [10:24:01] <HelloEarth> Someone with ELK (Elasticsearch,
logstash and kibana) syslog system experience????????
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1849 [10:24:56] <ranix> I was answering your notepad++ question
1850 [10:25:07] <Lady_Aleena> ranix, thank you.
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1852 [10:27:34] <Lady_Aleena> I wish I could have found a *nix
text editor I liked, but I have not. I looked at the top 6-10 when I
first started on Debian, but none were to my liking.
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1855 [10:28:24] <ranix> it's called vim
1856 [10:28:33] <jelly-home> neovim!
1857 [10:28:36] <ranix> learn to like it or live in squalor until
the end of days
1858 [10:28:47] <Lady_Aleena> ranix, nope. Looked at vim and ran
screaming.
1859 [10:28:54] <ranix> you still have to learn it
1860 [10:29:28] <Lady_Aleena> ranix, short reason why?
1861 [10:29:43] <ranix> its workflow improves your productivity
immeasurably
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1863 [10:29:49] <johnwhatever> emacs is better!
1864 [10:30:04] <ranix> true
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1868 [10:30:59] <ranix> you should not be using a graphical editor
unless you are creating a graphical document
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1870 [10:31:09] <ranix> imho
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1874 [10:31:46] <Lady_Aleena> ranix, when I am copying and pasting
gads, using a text editor in a terminal emulator is a pain in the
a$$.
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1877 [10:31:57] <ranix> why
1878 [10:32:02] <ranix> you can paste into vim
1879 [10:32:08] <Lady_Aleena> No mouse.
1880 [10:32:11] <johnwhatever> Lady_Aleena: use emacs
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1882 [10:32:48] <Lady_Aleena> johnwhatever, emacs failed some of
my taste tests, though I can't remember what.
1883 [10:32:49] <ranix> you can use the mouse to paste into vim
from outside vim, and you can use vim to highlight and cut and copy
and paste and substitute faster than can be done with a mouse
1884 [10:33:03] <johnwhatever> if you like to run in terminal, you
can use emacs -QW
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1886 [10:33:22] <ranix> there's also gvim if you are a filthy
herectic
1887 [10:33:35] <Lady_Aleena> I use nano for quick config edits,
notepad++ for writing big things.
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1895 [10:35:43] <Lady_Aleena> My old computer could have been nice
and not died on me until AFTER I did the bills.
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1899 [10:36:53] <Lady_Aleena> I have got to get my heretic self
away from the keyboard for approximately an hour at least.
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1901 [10:37:55] <Lady_Aleena> ranix, nice chatting with you.
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1904 [10:38:08] <Lady_Aleena> And TomTomTosch, you saved me
tonight.
1905 [10:38:19] * Lady_Aleena is away.
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1939 [10:57:03] <yareckon> hey folks, I'm trying to recover
data for a friend off of a small windows 7 ssd
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1941 [10:57:38] <yareckon> its mbr format supposedly, but gparded
and fdisk show two partitions, both larger than the actual disk size
1942 [10:57:56] <yareckon> palimpsets / udisk shows an unknown
partition type
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1948 [10:58:18] <yareckon> I'm pretty sure the drive is good
and uncorrupted
1949 [10:58:34] <yareckon> any Ideas what format or black magic
this might be?
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1955 [11:00:08] <yareckon> the partition type is listed by fdisk
as ntfs
1956 [11:00:12] <yareckon> Device Boot Start End Sectors Size Id
Type
1957 [11:00:12] <yareckon> /dev/sdb1 * 2048 209717247 209715200
800G 7 HPFS/NTFS/exFAT
1958 [11:00:12] <yareckon> /dev/sdb2 209717248 250064895 40347648
153.9G 7 HPFS/NTFS/exFAT
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1961 [11:00:48] <yareckon> but the disk is only an 128GB ssd, so
an 800GB partition is unlikely ;)
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1963 [11:01:22] <yareckon> anyone run into somthing like this
before?
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1970 [11:04:37] <darxmurf> what happened with this disk ?
1971 [11:04:43] <ranix> cya Lady_Aleena
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1973 [11:05:42] <yareckon> darxmurf, was in a normal windows 7
laptop
1974 [11:05:49] <domovoy> hi
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1976 [11:05:59] <yareckon> might have had some damage
1977 [11:06:09] <yareckon> laptop power supply died as far as I
can tell
1978 [11:06:17] <yareckon> guess disk might have had some damage
1979 [11:06:27] <yareckon> but I think it a bit unlikely
1980 [11:06:35] <ranix> what kind of ssd and where's it from
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1982 [11:06:47] <ranix> is it faking having 800g
1983 [11:06:47] <yareckon> crucial mx100
1984 [11:06:50] <yareckon> 128GB
1985 [11:07:00] <domovoy> i installed debian using debootstrap
--variant=minbase. I now need the "ping" command. Which
package do you recommend? iputils-ping, or inetutils-ping? why?
1986 [11:07:01] <yareckon> yeah, It's a wee fella
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1988 [11:07:13] <ranix> I mean, is it intentionally faking
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1990 [11:07:24] <yareckon> no, it's something wonky
1991 [11:07:25] <ranix> sometimes in used equipment you'll
see ebay's special parts
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1994 [11:08:06] <darxmurf> yareckon what if you try to mount
partitions ?
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1996 [11:08:26] <darxmurf> or if you plug it in another windows
machine ?
1997 [11:08:36] <yareckon> darxmurf, then would have to get a
windows box
1998 [11:08:38] <yareckon> :)
1999 [11:09:23] <ranix> it's ntfs so it might be doing any
number of strange things
2000 [11:09:41] <ranix> maybe someone used some software to clone
a partition
2001 [11:09:56] <darxmurf> I would first try to read the disk
under windows before to manipulate that on linux
2002 [11:10:14] <yareckon> yeah, am gonna tead lightly
2003 [11:10:18] <yareckon> tread
2004 [11:10:45] <yareckon> not gonna try to mount a partition with
phantom extents
2005 [11:10:47] <yareckon> ok
2006 [11:11:14] <rafalcpp> how to get debg symbols on debian
stable?
2007 [11:11:16] <darxmurf> NTFS is quite rock solid, I never lost
files
2008 [11:11:35] <darxmurf> but if something fooked up the
partition table it can be funky to recover
2009 [11:11:51] <darxmurf> there are some tools to scann the whole
disk and try to fix the partition table
2010 [11:11:52] <TomTomTosch> rafalcpp: usually by installing a
package marked -dbg
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2012 [11:12:01] <rafalcpp> TomTomTosch: I mean -dbgsym
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2018 [11:13:02] <ransur0t> yareckon: fixmbr ...
2019 [11:13:57] <rafalcpp> I get W: Failed to fetch
replaced-url
2020 [11:14:20] <yareckon> ransur0t, is there a read only mode for
that?
2021 [11:14:50] <ranix> yareckon: calculate the actual size of the
partition based on the number of sectors used
2022 [11:14:56] <rafalcpp> following
replaced-url
2023 [11:14:56] <ranix> the formula is in fdisk output
2024 [11:15:17] <rafalcpp> just installing -dbg from the main
repository of jessie seems to still lack some symbols
2025 [11:15:19] <yareckon> I think I may also try to stick this
drive in a usb enclusure and see if it's still weird
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2027 [11:15:50] <ranix> it will be
2028 [11:15:54] <yareckon> there is some ( vanishingly small )
chance my sata adapter is gone crazy
2029 [11:16:00] <ranix> I reckon the actual size of the partition
is not the size that reports
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2031 [11:16:20] <ranix> if it's misreporting how many sectors
it has it's in a super weird state
2032 [11:16:27] <yareckon> I pasted the fdisk output above
2033 [11:16:29] <ranix> check out what's happened to it with
smartctl or something
2034 [11:16:33] <ranix> paste the whole output
2035 [11:16:40] <yareckon> it does report a crapload of sectors
2036 [11:16:41] <ranix> like Units: sectors of ...
2037 [11:16:45] <ransur0t> yareckon: not sure ... long time since
I've used a recovery cd/system recovery ... I suppose that
you're already beyond the point of no return
2038 [11:17:03] <yareckon> no, I'm just starting out :)
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2040 [11:17:14] <yareckon> I have no reason to think the drive is
damaged at all
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2043 [11:17:56] <yareckon> maybe it is, but the old machine worked
fine, just had a power supply go bad
2044 [11:17:57] <darxmurf> yareckon do you have any windows DVD/CD
with you ?
2045 [11:18:05] <yareckon> probably somewhere
2046 [11:18:20] <ranix> that's a fairly irrelevant question
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2048 [11:18:30] <darxmurf> boot on it and run the windows check
tools
2049 [11:18:37] <yareckon> What I do have is that windows defender
offline virus boot thing
2050 [11:18:48] <darxmurf> nop
2051 [11:18:48] <yareckon> that's a good idea darxmurf
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2053 [11:18:59] <ranix> do you just want to fix it or do you want
to find out what happened
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2055 [11:19:54] <yareckon> ranix, I want to do as little messing
around as I can, and was coming here I hoped to hear "oh thats
those new X type disks" install Y and it will read the size
correctly
2056 [11:20:10] <TomTomTosch> rafalcpp: "They are only
available for testing, unstable and experimental at this point in
time."
2057 [11:20:10] <yareckon> but it sounds like there is actually a
bit of a mystery
2058 [11:20:54] <yareckon> I am gonna make a full disk clone
(partition agnositc)
2059 [11:21:04] <yareckon> too cover my butt
2060 [11:21:23] <yareckon> then I'll find a windows disk to
boot and hook it up to
2061 [11:21:35] <yareckon> and see if it sees sane partitions
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2063 [11:21:52] <yareckon> ugh ^too^to
2064 [11:22:52] <yareckon> I'll report back
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2069 [11:24:34] <jelly-home> yareckon: maybe the system had two
disks?
2070 [11:25:43] <yareckon> maybe -- its a massive 17in laptop, but
it has only one visible hd bay
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2072 [11:26:04] <yareckon> maybe I should google with the model #
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2074 [11:26:24] <yareckon> seems unlikely a 17in laptop would have
a tiny ssd out of the box, seems like the wrong demographic
2075 [11:26:41] <yareckon> might have been a replacement part
(didn't ask)
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2081 [11:28:32] <z8z> how to access my debian desktop using some
remote desktop system?
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2092 [11:34:19] <Alver> Hello. I'm running a mailserver on
debian, with spamassassin. I've got custom scores set in
/etc/spamassassin/local.cf, and restarted the service, but the
scores are not being applied. What am I missing?
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2111 [11:45:43] <ppf> hi
2112 [11:46:10] <iflema> o/
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2144 [12:04:58] <ransur0t> z8z: vnc, ssh
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2146 [12:05:30] <z8z> ransur0t: cant figure why vnc doesn't
show top bar in any window
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2153 [12:08:14] <ransur0t> hmm, not familiar with that problem. I
don't use vnc on linux (only on windows for corp. support at
work)
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2156 [12:08:31] <ransur0t> i use ssh redirect to run apps, not
entire desktop
2157 [12:09:20] <z8z> ransur0t: yeah but i need those to keep
running when i close them
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2162 [12:10:05] <ransur0t> hmm, is there an option in sshconfig to
keep active processes running after closing terminal session?
2163 [12:10:28] <z8z> ransur0t: no clue :|
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2175 [12:15:49] <ransur0t> z8z: nohup long-running-process &,
then exit
2176 [12:15:56] <ransur0t> or use screen
2177 [12:16:48] <ransur0t> worth a try, see if either option suits
your need
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2234 [12:44:28] <jgdx> what's the difference between dh_exec
and dh_exec --with-install if there's e.g. a => directive in
the .install file?
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2236 [12:45:07] <jgdx> we've been assuming none, but I'm
getting “dh_install: Cannot find (any matches for)”
which either implies the => works but the file(s) are missing, or
that => does not work
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2238 [12:45:51] <jgdx> on ubuntu this seems to only fail for the
most recent release (yakkety) and dh_exec 0.23
2239 [12:46:09] <Jakey3> Can some one tell me why cronjob doesnt
work
2240 [12:46:10] <Jakey3>
replaced-url
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2246 [12:48:20] <bezaban> Jakey3: likely because it is being run
as root and that user can't connect to the xserver as it is run
by a different user
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2251 [12:49:20] <bezaban> su user -c sceen.sh would be the
cleanest fix if you know the xserver is run by a specific user
2252 [12:49:23] <Lady_Aleena> My monitor does not have brightness
settings, and I remember there was a program which could help me
brighten my screen. Does anyone by chance know the name of it? I am
not sure, but gamma may be in the name.
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2254 [12:52:06] <Jakey3> bezaban, that makes sense. the "su
user -c sceen.sh" would go in the script or cron?
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2256 [12:52:29] <relaxed> Lady_Aleena: man xrandr
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2262 [12:56:12] <Lady_Aleena> relaxed, my brain just went *tilt*.
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2264 [12:56:46] <Lady_Aleena> relaxed, the man is horrible.
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2266 [12:58:09] <Lady_Aleena> To change brightness I have to
multiply the gamma values(???) on the crtc(???) currently attached
to the output to specified floating value(???). WTH?
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2269 [12:58:53] <Lady_Aleena> The writers couldn't just allow
numbers 0-9 or 1-10?
2270 [12:59:08] <Lady_Aleena> I would take 0-100
2271 [12:59:33] <Lady_Aleena> And --brightness has to come after
--output? HUH?
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2273 [13:00:05] <noqnio1> hey, debian stable here. How can i find
more information about the bug that shows copies and dds finished
but still copying in the background?
2274 [13:00:24] <noqnio1> and how can i verify the copy is
complete?
2275 [13:00:32] <Lady_Aleena> And none of the examples include
--brightness so not sample usage.
2276 [13:00:36] <Lady_Aleena> s/not/no/;
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2278 [13:01:07] <petn-randall> noqnio1: What still copies in the
background? Can you elaborate?
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2282 [13:02:01] <noqnio1> if i drag&drop something big in a
usb drive, when the progress bar disappears, the copy hasn't
finished
2283 [13:02:17] <noqnio1> if i dismount and unplug the usb, my
data is corrupt
2284 [13:02:29] <noqnio1> and it has happened to me with dd before
as well
2285 [13:02:42] <TomTomTosch> that would depend on the file
manager you use.
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2288 [13:03:16] <noqnio1> it happened also on dd, and i read
somewhere that it was some kind of kernel issue but i forgot, so im
looking for more info
2289 [13:03:21] <petn-randall> noqnio1: If you run dd you need to
run 'sync' at the end for it to be on disk, or run dd with
the fdatasync option.
2290 [13:03:38] <petn-randall> noqnio1: For the other issue, this
shouldn't happen, and it doesn't happen for me.
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2292 [13:04:09] <noqnio1> hmm maybe i am doing something out of
the ordinary
2293 [13:04:15] <noqnio1> does pv sync by itself?
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2295 [13:04:27] <petn-randall> noqnio1: pv?
2296 [13:04:47] <noqnio1> it is like a progress monitor for pipes
2297 [13:04:54] * Lady_Aleena ponders tweeting author of xrandr.
2298 [13:05:01] <noqnio1> but you can use it directly like pv <
in.iso > /dev/out
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2300 [13:05:15] <TomTomTosch> because you have troubles
understanding a manpage?
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2302 [13:05:28] <bezaban> Jakey3: I usually do it in the cron :)
2303 [13:05:33] <bezaban> Jakey3: but shouldn't matter
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2305 [13:05:46] <petn-randall> noqnio1: pipe viewer? I'm
assuming not, unless you have a fdatasync option.
2306 [13:06:33] <noqnio1> maybe that where it all went wrong..
2307 [13:06:39] <Jakey3> bezaban, thanks
2308 [13:06:51] <noqnio1> but i do indeed have a problem when
copying and pasting stuff on nautilus
2309 [13:07:12] <TomTomTosch> Lady_Aleena: the man page is pretty
clear. you use --output to select an output and use --brightness
<some float> to multiply the gamma values
2310 [13:07:13] <petn-randall> noqnio1: Could be. But are you sure
it successfully unmounted before you pulled the device out?
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2312 [13:07:38] <noqnio1> i don't remember :)
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2317 [13:08:01] <petn-randall> noqnio1: If that is the case, the
corruption could be coming from somewhere else. Is the filesystem
still marked as dirty when you plug it back in?
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2319 [13:08:37] <noqnio1> i rewrote it.. but i will check that out
next time
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2322 [13:09:17] <petn-randall> noqnio1: You should get some
feedback that the disk is still writing. I don't use nautilus,
but xfce's thunar, and it'll show a popup when you try to
unmount it ala "The disk is still writing, please don't
unplug until this message disappears".
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2325 [13:10:05] <noqnio1> haven't seen such thing :D
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2328 [13:10:39] <Lady_Aleena> TomTomTosch, what is crtc?
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2333 [13:11:52] <TomTomTosch> a video controller
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2335 [13:12:24] <TomTomTosch> xrandr --output VGA1 --brightness
1.2 to make it a bit brighter for example.
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2337 [13:12:49] <TomTomTosch> you can you tab-complete to select
an output.
2338 [13:12:53] <TomTomTosch> * can use
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2342 [13:14:03] <Lady_Aleena> TomTomTosch, I was struck by typo
again.
2343 [13:14:37] <Lady_Aleena> *typo I didn't notice until I
looked really close.
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2345 [13:15:19] <Lady_Aleena> Now will this stick, or do I have to
modify something to make it happen each boot?
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2347 [13:15:42] <TomTomTosch> it does not get saved.
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2350 [13:17:45] <Lady_Aleena> So I need to store this somewhere to
load each boot. .bashrc maybe?
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2353 [13:18:49] <TomTomTosch> no, not bashrc. i use let lightdm
call a script after boot to call xrandr.
2354 [13:18:57] <TomTomTosch> s/use//
2355 [13:19:55] <TomTomTosch> have to go, you will manage.
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2357 [13:21:48] <Lady_Aleena> TomTomTosch, I will probably sleep
soon. Have a good day!
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2360 [13:25:49] <teraflops> Lady_Aleena: modern DMs do source
~/.xprofile
2361 [13:26:14] <Lady_Aleena> teraflops, does that do in my home
dir?
2362 [13:26:24] <Lady_Aleena> Yes it does the ~/ tells me that.
2363 [13:26:40] <teraflops> yeah that's what ~/ means
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2366 [13:27:03] <Lady_Aleena> teraflops, I'm more used to
seeing $HOME/stuff than ~/stuff
2367 [13:27:15] <strixdio> having trouble getting my Ethernet
controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI
Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 15) working. Anyone have
experience with this?
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2370 [13:27:40] <Alver> strixdio: I believe I have one or two
machines with that series of controller, yes. What's not
working with it?
2371 [13:28:05] <strixdio> Alver: doesn't show up at all.
2372 [13:28:11] <strixdio> except lspci of course.
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2376 [13:29:55] <Lady_Aleena> I may have to tackle .xprofile
later. Google failed to find me a simple page telling me how to
write and get to run .xprofile. Shouldn't there be a page on
the Debian site for .xprofile?
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2378 [13:30:24] <Alver> strixdio: modules loaded? (not sure which
modules are required, but... let me check)
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2380 [13:31:09] <Alver> ... ah, no, the machine I have now
isn't Realtek based for ethernet
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2382 [13:31:36] <strixdio> ah
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2388 [13:33:02] <strixdio> Alver: everything I see says to
blacklist r8169. Not sure what to use if I'm doing that.
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2401 [13:41:13] <rafalcpp> from command line how to allow user
"Mark" to become root without password (sudo su)?
2402 [13:41:41] <rafalcpp> e.g. how to append "mark
ALL=ALL......" line to visudo
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2404 [13:41:50] <rafalcpp> from a script
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2407 [13:42:29] <FinalX> rafalcpp: for scripts you probably
_really_ want to limit the commands it can do, and not just simple
ALL=ALL
2408 [13:42:45] <FinalX> but: mark ALL=NOPASSWD: ALL
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2410 [13:42:48] <rafalcpp> FinalX: yeah I can write better line.
but how to put it non-interactively
2411 [13:42:48] <FinalX> to answer your question
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2414 [13:43:21] <FinalX> eh, ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:ALL
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2416 [13:44:36] <rafalcpp> just create a new file in
/etc/sudoers.d/ ? is there a need to call some update- command
later?
2417 [13:44:44] <Lady_Aleena> teraflops, btw, when you say DMs, I
take it you do not mean dungeon masters.
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2419 [13:46:20] <jelly-home> rafalcpp: no need, but if you create
something with incorrect syntax sudo may just stop working
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2421 [13:46:39] <petn-randall> rafalcpp: Why not just give
'mark' the root password? Because that's what
you're effectively doing.
2422 [13:47:12] <rafalcpp> petn-randall: it's VM, no root
password there
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2424 [13:47:32] <rafalcpp> or actually LXC
2425 [13:48:00] <petn-randall> rafalcpp: What, in the big picture,
do you actually want to achieve? Because you're using a quite
contrived way to surpass user/permission separation in Linux.
2426 [13:48:22] <rafalcpp> petn-randall: if user logs into LXC
using on-target, he wants to easily become root from that point
2427 [13:48:56] <rafalcpp> instead of exiting givne shell, and
again entering LXC this time as root
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2451 [14:06:09] <troy__> Hello, I've been working on a
project that requires a debian package for the past months. I have a
question which I wasn't able to find an answer in the
documentation. Is it possible to pass a paramater while installing
the package via apt in such a way to exclude certain files?
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2457 [14:07:49] <troy__> For example, there are few files under
/etc/supervisor/conf.d/ and I want to exclude 1 file from there in
certain cases
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2463 [14:10:39] <petn-randall> rafalcpp: Why not just give them
root? You're just adding a manual step to the process that just
annoys users and doesn't improve security.
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2489 [14:19:48] <teraflops> Lady_Aleena: heh. I meant lightdm gdm
etcetera
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2492 [14:20:20] <Lady_Aleena> teraflops, what does the dm stand
for?
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2494 [14:20:46] <towo^work> display manager
2495 [14:20:47] <rafalcpp> petn-randall: it's not for
security, they can log in as root. They do not wish to exit console
and go in again as root. (you can not have two consoles at once in
this LXC setup)
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2497 [14:21:14] <teraflops> Lady_Aleena: display manager
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2501 [14:21:31] <teraflops> holy lag
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2509 [14:21:58] <teraflops> Lady_Aleena: dungeon master is fine
too ;)
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2511 [14:23:09] <Lady_Aleena> Ah...
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2517 [14:26:13] <petn-randall> or Debian Maintainer
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2539 [14:39:02] <Lady_Aleena> This is as bad as trying to
abbreviate terminal emulator and text editor.
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2541 [14:39:33] <Lady_Aleena> Both would be TE, so confusion would
erupt.
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2543 [14:40:30] <jelly-home> "terminal emulator" is
shortened to "xterm"
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2546 [14:41:11] <Lady_Aleena> jelly-home, that would lead to
confusion because there is an actual program called xterm.
2547 [14:41:13] <jelly-home> DD also has different meanings, but
context is important
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2549 [14:41:28] <jelly-home> Lady_Aleena: and there's an
actual xerox company
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2551 [14:42:06] <jelly-home> xterm as a genericized term (pun not
indented)
2552 [14:42:12] <Lady_Aleena> Is there any way to use Xerox other
than to be for the company?
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2554 [14:42:41] <jelly-home> but anyway.
2555 [14:42:43] <jelly-home> !DM
2556 [14:42:43] <dpkg> DM means Display Manager, the app that
brings up a graphical login screen and starts your login session.
<lightdm>, <gdm3>, <xdm>, <kdm>,
<wdm>, pdm, login.app and <slim> are all examples of
display managers. Ask me about <nodm> if you want to disable
the DM. Or Debian Maintainer:
replaced-url
2557 [14:42:47] <jelly-home> :-)
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2573 [14:47:55] <troy__> anyone is able to help with what I
mentioned above?
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2576 [14:48:33] <dhalgren> hi! not sure this is the best place for
this q -- anyone using very lightweight browsers? I'm looking
for an alternative to surf, to use on an ancient laptop (celeronM
1.4ghz, 512mb ram) as its a bit unstable to me
2577 [14:48:40] <dhalgren> so any recommendations?
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2582 [14:50:35] <TomTomTosch> dhalgren: midori seems to be popular
for that usecase.
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2586 [14:51:18] <teraflops> os midori still maintained?
2587 [14:51:28] <petn-randall> lynx?
2588 [14:51:37] <teraflops> is*
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2591 [14:52:01] <abrotman> Midori was in Jessie I'm fairly
certain, but as one might expect, lots of things don't work
2592 [14:52:10] <abrotman> judd: versions midoria
2593 [14:52:11] <judd> No package named 'midoria' was
found in amd64.
2594 [14:52:12] <abrotman> judd: versions midori
2595 [14:52:13] <judd> Package: midori on amd64 -- wheezy:
0.4.3+dfsg-0.1; jessie-backports: 0.5.11-ds1-2~bpo8+1; stretch:
0.5.11-ds1-4; sid: 0.5.11-ds1-4; experimental: 0.5.12~wk2-exp1
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2597 [14:52:26] <abrotman> Amaya is long gone I'm pretty sure
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2600 [14:52:37] <teraflops> well, xchat is in jessie too...
2601 [14:52:45] <dhalgren> petn-randall: I do use w3m most of the
time actually :) but for some websites, I need to fire up a
graphical one. Its actually quite practical, I just press a shortcut
over a link and it pops up reasonably quickly
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2608 [14:54:44] <dhalgren> TomTomTosch: thx, I'm gonna check
it out again. its been a while, so I don't remember exactly,
had some issue w it about a year ago
2609 [14:55:13] <TomTomTosch> well, maybe not if it's dead.
it has been a while since i used it^^
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2613 [14:56:22] <Lady_Aleena> Have a good day everyone...
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2617 [14:57:27] <TomTomTosch> interestingly, it migrated to
testing a month ago, so maybe there is still demand^^
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2623 [15:00:03] <dhalgren> :) nice
2624 [15:00:06] <teraflops> ,v dnssec-trigger
2625 [15:00:07] <judd> Package: dnssec-trigger on amd64 -- jessie:
0.13~svn685-4; sid: 0.13~svn685-5; stretch: 0.13~svn685-5
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2643 [15:06:01] <magnum> hi, what package is adwaita theme
inc|uded?
2644 [15:06:23] <tx> gnome-themes-standard
2645 [15:06:26] <tx> if I recall correctly.
2646 [15:06:58] <magnum> thanks
2647 [15:07:10] <tx> all good :)
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2676 [15:21:21] <p3nt4> !jeff
2677 [15:21:21] <dpkg> extra, extra, read all about it, jeff is a
programmer php.
2678 [15:21:34] <tx> !dpkg
2679 [15:21:35] <dpkg> rumour has it, dpkg is the program used by
Debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also
ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also
called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>.
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2763 [15:58:12] <alpha_one_x86> Hello, what will be the next
stable, sid o strech?
2764 [15:58:28] <tx> sid is always sid
2765 [15:58:31] <tx> it never becomes stable
2766 [15:58:35] <tx> stretch will be next :)
2767 [15:58:39] <beastwick> sid always breaks his toys
2768 [15:58:45] <tx> yeah :)
2769 [15:59:06] <bezaban> sid can't have nice things
2770 [15:59:15] <tx> well
2771 [15:59:18] <tx> sid has all the nice things
2772 [15:59:21] <tx> they just break a lot
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2861 [16:39:09] <fas3r> Hello
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2869 [16:40:20] <fas3r> I have a 2 broadcom BCM5719. The interface
are going UP before the OS is booting but when debian is loaded, I
have one of the 4interfaces which is not going up.
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2872 [16:40:37] <fas3r> any idea ?
2873 [16:40:41] <tx> are you using network-manager
2874 [16:40:49] <fas3r> all other interface are up without a
glich..
2875 [16:40:49] <tx> or a configuration in /etc/network/interface
2876 [16:40:52] <fas3r> nop
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2878 [16:41:05] <tx> what are you using to configure them then
2879 [16:41:10] <fas3r> basically eth0 is down but eth1, 2 and 3
are up.
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2882 [16:41:48] <Akuli> what's the output of your
/sbin/ifconfig?
2883 [16:42:01] <tx> /sbin/ifconfig -a please
2884 [16:42:10] <fas3r> I do bonding
2885 [16:42:11] <tx> because the bad one is down :P
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2888 [16:42:29] <tx> ah, could it be that the additional interface
isn't part of the bond?
2889 [16:42:31] <fas3r> also I can only access it from the IDRAC
card it will be difficcult to post any outpute.
2890 [16:42:34] <Akuli> does ifconfig only show up ones by
default?
2891 [16:42:35] <tx> what is the contents of your interfaces file?
2892 [16:42:36] <fas3r> tx: it is
2893 [16:42:39] <Akuli> interesting
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2895 [16:42:58] <Akuli> fas3r, use a pastebin :)
2896 [16:43:00] <fas3r> all interface are up beside eth0
2897 [16:43:15] <Akuli> /sbin/ifconfig -a | netcat termbin.com
9999
2898 [16:43:20] <fas3r> Akuli: from a java applet to get remote
access ?
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2900 [16:43:32] <Akuli> what?
2901 [16:43:34] <fas3r> all the interface are down I dont have
internet on this server
2902 [16:43:47] <greycat> 10:43 fas3r|#debian> all interface
are up beside eth0
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2904 [16:43:57] <fas3r> greycat: I dont have internet
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2908 [16:44:03] <fas3r> on this server
2909 [16:44:16] <Akuli> so can you pastebin your ifconfig to us so
we can help you get it working?
2910 [16:44:22] <greycat> You said "all interfaces are up
besides eth0" and then LESS THAN A MINUTE later you said
"all the interface are down".
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2912 [16:44:36] <tx> The situation seems to have made a turn for
the worse quickly
2913 [16:44:37] <fas3r> I deployed 2 servers already
2914 [16:44:42] <fas3r> sae configuration
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2916 [16:44:48] <fas3r> same configuration
2917 [16:44:54] <tx> could it be a hardware / cabling issue
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2919 [16:45:28] <tx> have you tried switching cables to see if
that fixes it
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2921 [16:45:37] <fas3r> nop it's not hardware, I just
reinstalled the OS. it was working before
2922 [16:45:50] <tx> so if it was working before
2923 [16:45:53] <tx> and now it isn't
2924 [16:45:57] <tx> the configuration isn't the same.
2925 [16:46:04] <fas3r> also at the boot, all the led are blinking
normally
2926 [16:46:14] <Akuli> maybe the distro/release isn't the
same?
2927 [16:46:18] <fas3r> it is.
2928 [16:46:21] <fas3r> debian jessy
2929 [16:47:40] <darxmurf> is there a way in a ldap
authentification to add a ldap filter ?
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2931 [16:47:55] <tx> you'd hope so
2932 [16:47:58] <tx> that's half the point
2933 [16:48:00] <darxmurf> we have a huge ldap directory here and
some guys got multiple accounts
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2936 [16:48:14] <darxmurf> and there is a field in the ldap like
"primaryAccount=1"
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2938 [16:48:33] <fas3r> tx, I also tried an centos and it's
working
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2940 [16:48:36] <tx> darxmurf: it depends on how you have your
ldap stuff configured
2941 [16:48:49] <tx> usually there is a searchFilter field
2942 [16:48:49] <darxmurf> samba+AD+ldap
2943 [16:48:53] <greycat> what stops me from making 7 accounts,
each one with a different name, and each one with primaryAccount=1 ?
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2948 [16:49:03] <darxmurf> tx: in the ldap.cnf ?
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2952 [16:49:55] <alpha_one_x86> Into stretch, why it don't
found proftpd?
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2954 [16:50:03] <alpha_one_x86>
replaced-url
2955 [16:50:03] <greycat> ,v proftpd
2956 [16:50:04] <judd> No package named 'proftpd' was
found in amd64.
2957 [16:50:05] <fas3r> tx: so I can confirm that's not an
hardware issue
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2959 [16:50:13] <greycat> ,v proftpd-basic
2960 [16:50:14] <judd> Package: proftpd-basic on amd64 -- wheezy:
1.3.4a-5+deb7u3; wheezy-security: 1.3.4a-5+deb7u3; jessie:
1.3.5-1.1+deb8u1; jessie-security: 1.3.5-1.1+deb8u1; sid: 1.3.5a-1
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2962 [16:50:44] <greycat> You can go ask the stretch support
channel why it's not currently in stretch. We can't know,
because the web page we used to use for this is broken.
2963 [16:50:49] <tx> darxmurf: are you using saslauth?
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2965 [16:51:17] <alpha_one_x86> have you the exacte stretch
support channel name?
2966 [16:51:25] <greycat> "Latest update: Mon, 04 Jul 2016
08:23:13 GMT"
2967 [16:51:29] <greycat> !debian-next
2968 [16:51:29] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
2969 [16:51:43] <alpha_one_x86> thanks
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2972 [16:52:17] <darxmurf> tx: hmmm don't think so
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2974 [16:52:44] <darxmurf> no daemon running
2975 [16:53:40] <tx> hmm
2976 [16:53:50] <tx> I've only set it up using saslauthd
pass-through
2977 [16:53:50] <darxmurf> should I add SSSD over this ?
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3001 [16:59:15] <darxmurf> time to leave, I'll check that
tomorrow :-)
3002 [16:59:18] <darxmurf> thanks !
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3010 [17:01:55] <fas3r> tx: the only thing that I see is that the
interface get "interrupt :17 " when I check it with
ifconfig
3011 [17:02:07] <tx> that's okay
3012 [17:02:17] <fas3r> that's the only difference with the
other card.
3013 [17:02:23] <fas3r> interface sorry
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3023 [17:06:20] <fas3r> alright fuck this shit, good by debian,
hello centos
3024 [17:06:35] <slax0r> problem solved?
3025 [17:06:38] <fas3r> no
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3037 [17:10:31] <petn-randall> I'm sure they're more
than happy to welcome such a personality to their user base.
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3039 [17:11:09] <greycat> "I have a problem" "Show
the details" "No" ... time passes ... "Fuck this
you guys suck!"
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3041 [17:11:35] <tx> just wait
3042 [17:11:43] <tx> he will realize that centos is very different
and come crawling back
3043 [17:12:06] <jelly-home> I hope centos will work just fine for
them.
3044 [17:12:09] <greycat> We still won't be able to help him
from vague hand-waving descriptions.
3045 [17:12:15] <tx> of course
3046 [17:12:56] <jelly-home> EL has saner defaults for quite a few
enterprisey options, that sometimes saves you some trouble compared
to debian
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3050 [17:14:02] <petn-randall> Well, if you get yelled at by a
user it sometimes helps to know that you're getting paid ... in
the enterprise context that is.
3051 [17:14:46] <jelly-home> but bonding is a pita on both
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3067 [17:21:19] <phapsubb9> hello
3068 [17:21:24] <tx> hi!
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3075 [17:22:24] <phapsubb9> i'm new, i wish everyone help me
use Kali, please
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3077 [17:22:55] <phapsubb9> i'm not know begin where?
3078 [17:22:56] <greycat> !kali
3079 [17:22:56] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
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3088 [17:24:45] <phapsubb9> i'm have install Kali Linux
2016.2. but i can't use
3089 [17:24:56] <tx> please ask in #kali-linux
3090 [17:25:01] <tx> This is for debian support.
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3097 [17:25:36] <phapsubb9> begin, i want to use any tool in Kali
3098 [17:26:01] <missmbob> phapsubb9: what part of ask
#kali-linux, not here, do you not understand?
3099 [17:26:23] <BishamonX> Hey, guys. Was Steam pulled out of
Debian Stretch?
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3103 [17:26:38] <missmbob> ,v steam
3104 [17:26:39] <teraflops> missmbob: I think it's a
communication issue
3105 [17:26:39] <greycat> !tel BishamonX about debian-next
3106 [17:26:39] <judd> No package named 'steam' was
found in amd64.
3107 [17:26:43] <greycat> !tell BishamonX about debian-next
3108 [17:26:47] <missmbob> damn it's i386, always forget
3109 [17:26:49] <tx> !debian-next
3110 [17:26:49] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
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3114 [17:27:23] <missmbob> BishamonX: odds are you just have to
add i386 arch.
3115 [17:27:55] <tx> yes
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3117 [17:28:04] <tx> the steam UI is 32-bit
3118 [17:28:07] <tx> ;)
3119 [17:28:16] <BishamonX> Thanks for the info, guys. Wasn't
aware this channel was for Stable only, apologies.
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3125 [17:32:45] <banchod0789> hello
3126 [17:33:04] <tx> olleh!
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3130 [17:33:25] <teraflops> olé?
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3132 [17:33:35] <BishamonX> lol
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3151 [17:38:24] <banchod0789> let's talk about hacking
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3153 [17:38:39] <petn-randall> banchod0789: Let's not.
3154 [17:38:51] <tx> I prefer petn-randall's idea.
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3156 [17:39:00] <petn-randall> banchod0789: Congrats on installing
Kali. Support is in #kali-linux.
3157 [17:39:08] <banchod0789> then what kind of topic you want
3158 [17:39:17] <petn-randall> banchod0789: Did you read the
topic?
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3160 [17:39:26] <banchod0789> what ?
3161 [17:39:28] * abrotman looks in ..
3162 [17:39:29] <tx> Do you know where you are?
3163 [17:39:40] <banchod0789> you tell me
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3165 [17:39:48] <abrotman> banchod0789: Do you need help with
Debian?
3166 [17:39:50] <tx> #debian, a channel for debian stable
discussion.
3167 [17:39:51] <banchod0789> #debian
3168 [17:39:52] <petn-randall> banchod0789: Type /topic in your
IRC client.
3169 [17:40:05] <banchod0789> oh yeah
3170 [17:40:23] <banchod0789> how did you know that i have
installed kali
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3172 [17:40:34] <abrotman> banchod0789: Do you need help with
Debian or not?
3173 [17:40:35] <tx> because you're a "hacker"
3174 [17:40:38] <abrotman> this isn't a social channel
3175 [17:40:42] <banchod0789> yes
3176 [17:40:53] <abrotman> banchod0789: then please ask your
question, otherwise, move on
3177 [17:41:14] <banchod0789> how to install tar.xz file
3178 [17:41:17] <petn-randall> banchod0789: Because all the
clueless skiddies who installed Kali end up here when opening their
IRC client.
3179 [17:41:25] <abrotman> banchod0789: in which OS?
3180 [17:41:33] <banchod0789> kali linux
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3184 [17:41:44] <abrotman> banchod0789: you've been told, use
#kali-linux, have a nice day
3185 [17:41:44] <greycat> banchod0789: kali support is in
#kali-linux
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3204 [17:50:16] <croddy> does kali default to joining this channel
or something?
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3206 [17:50:24] <croddy> or is that a feature of its audience
3207 [17:50:45] <tx> probably the latter
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3240 [18:06:33] <dax> croddy: it's a feature of its audience,
they do the same with #ubuntu
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3251 [18:09:24] <somiaj> croddy: most likely depends if the
derivative wants to edit the irc client package or just put it into
their repo.
3252 [18:09:34] <somiaj> and they would ahve to edit each one.
3253 [18:09:38] <teraflops> I don't use kali I wonder what
happens when you start hexchat and join to freenode
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3256 [18:10:16] <hmpf1> Hi
3257 [18:10:16] <hmpf1> where is the right place to configure me
network to try DHCP and then fall back to link local when it does
not get a lease. But to keep trying DHCP in the background.
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3265 [18:11:45] <somiaj> hmpf1: sounds like you want to use
something like network manager.
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3268 [18:12:17] <hmpf1> I dont have a gui. cmi only.
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3270 [18:12:33] <somiaj> you don't need a gui for network
manager, and can control it via nm-cli
3271 [18:12:34] <tx> use nmcli then
3272 [18:12:45] <teraflops> somiaj: or nmtui
3273 [18:12:48] <somiaj> but by default the debian interfaces file
is a one time thing, it runs at start but won't run in the
background
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3275 [18:13:00] <somiaj> maybe using dhcpcd over dhclient would be
all you need to fix this problem.
3276 [18:13:03] <teraflops> nmtui is way more intuitive
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3278 [18:13:24] <somiaj> this way the dhcp client is a daemon and
if it doesn't get an address it can keep trying (unsure on if
it can default to alocal address until tha time)
3279 [18:13:28] <teraflops> hmpf1: excuse my ignorance what's
cmi?
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3281 [18:13:53] <hmpf1> oh, sorry. cli. *cough*
3282 [18:14:24] <somiaj> hmpf1: I think i would first look into
dhcpcd as your dhcp client, see if it does what you want since it
will run in the background. If not you'll need some daemon to
manage your network.
3283 [18:15:01] <hmpf1> well, thanks for the hints. that gives me
some ideas what to look for.
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3375 [18:39:29] <hmpf1> somiaj: dhcpcd seem to be just what I
need. Thanks again.
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3483 [19:14:18] <n-iCe> hi
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3488 [19:17:43] <Drzacek> Hello
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3496 [19:18:32] <Drzacek> Can I run hardware detection on already
installed system? I installed debian today on external usb drive,
now I want to use it on other machine, seems some things
doesn't work
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3499 [19:19:33] <jhutchins> somiaj: allow hotplug
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3503 [19:19:49] <jhutchins> somiaj: Regular non-nm networking can
handle new events.
3504 [19:20:06] <dontknow> Drzacek, it seems firmware issue
3505 [19:20:15] <n-iCe> Drzacek: like what
3506 [19:20:16] <dontknow> non free component
3507 [19:21:28] <Drzacek> wifi (there are some issues on this
laptop, if I remember I have to install right package and it will
work again), display - I had 2 displays on origin machine (where I
installed), disable one of the displays, now I only have one display
on this laptop, and it only shows "secondary display"
(kde)
3508 [19:21:43] <Drzacek> HDMI output doesn't work (wanted to
connect TV to activate right display)
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3515 [19:23:07] <Drzacek> to clarify, I only see empty desktop and
empty panel, no KDE menu, clock etc
3516 [19:23:15] <petn-randall> Drzacek: There is no hw detection
step. The wifi likely doesn't work due to missing firmware. The
display problem might be similar if you have a new nvidia or AMD
graphics card. Might also be that that specific card isn't
fully supported yet.
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3518 [19:23:41] <jhutchins> Drzacek: Try creating a new user and
see if that user can configure the displays.
3519 [19:24:08] <Drzacek> I can go to system settings->display
via Alt+F2 shortcut, but there is only one display, nothing to
activate
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3534 [19:30:42] <Drzacek> Is there in debian some kind of device
manager?
3535 [19:31:04] <n-iCe> lspci
3536 [19:31:05] <n-iCe> lsusb
3537 [19:31:10] <n-iCe> maybe?
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3539 [19:31:25] <Drzacek> probably
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3541 [19:31:41] <Drzacek> I thought maybe gui tools before I use
console
3542 [19:31:54] <n-iCe> no idea
3543 [19:31:59] <n-iCe> sure there are, google can help
3544 [19:32:09] <n-iCe>
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3545 [19:32:11] <n-iCe> first link
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3548 [19:32:41] <petn-randall> Drzacek: install the hardinfo
package
3549 [19:32:44] <petn-randall> ,v hardinfo
3550 [19:32:45] <judd> Package: hardinfo on amd64 -- wheezy:
0.5.1-1.2; jessie: 0.5.1-1.4; stretch: 0.5.1-1.5+b2; sid:
0.5.1-1.5+b2
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3552 [19:32:57] <petn-randall> Drzacek: That tool has a GUI for
all hardware devices.
3553 [19:33:09] <Drzacek> petn-randall: thanks
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3576 [19:51:44] <samriddhap> hey there
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3578 [19:52:04] <samriddhap> i have a issue in my system from last
2 weeks
3579 [19:52:17] <samriddhap> anyone up to solve it?
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3582 [19:53:02] <samriddhap> hello rayn
3583 [19:53:12] <samriddhap> can you help me out?
3584 [19:53:29] <SuperTramp83> samriddhap: just ask, don't
ask to ask :)
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3586 [19:54:03] <samriddhap> i have issue in my system where can i
send u the screesnhot of that?
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3588 [19:54:20] <greycat> Nowhere. Describe the problem in English
first.
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3590 [19:54:39] <samriddhap> here is something you can look
at:"E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
3591 [19:54:39] <samriddhap> "
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3595 [19:55:14] <greycat> Oh, the problem is in the domain of text
(commands and their output), so a screen shot would be absolutely
bad. If necessary, you can paste the text to
replaced-url
3596 [19:55:19] <samriddhap> this error occurs everytime i run
apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
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3599 [19:55:35] <missmbob> samriddhap: which release ?
3600 [19:55:45] <samriddhap> kali rolling
3601 [19:55:47] <greycat> Include your entire
/etc/apt/sources.list and the entire output of your apt-get upgrade
command in the paste.
3602 [19:55:50] <greycat> *sigh*
3603 [19:55:52] <greycat> GODS, NOT AGAIN
3604 [19:55:56] <missmbob> samriddhap: go away
3605 [19:55:57] <missmbob> !kali
3606 [19:55:58] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
3607 [19:56:01] <greycat> We do not support Kali. Go to
#kali-linux
3608 [19:56:08] <samriddhap> ok thaks
3609 [19:56:10] <samriddhap> thanks
3610 [19:57:16] <greycat> I need to learn how to spot a Kali user.
If this continues, I suppose I will eventually develop a working set
of heuristics for it.
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3614 [19:58:40] <prussian> samriddhap: you can try and strace to
see why it dies so painfully. I had it happen to me like 3 months
ago I forgot what it was
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3616 [19:58:51] <prussian> deb sid
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3618 [20:00:06] <greycat> Wow. Did you intentionally go and think
of the WORST possible suggestion?
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3622 [20:00:48] <prussian> sure
3623 [20:00:54] <greycat> "My arm hurts." "Go buy
an electron microscope!"
3624 [20:00:59] <prussian> strace can be helpful sometimes.
3625 [20:01:30] <prussian> apparently I fixed my Debian Sid
problem. i don't remember what it was.
3626 [20:01:43] <pwvergessen> Hello, I have an old laptop with
Debian Jessie, but I forgot both passwords (root and user). Could
anyone tell me how to reset those passwords? Thanks!
3627 [20:02:06] <greycat> !i forgot root's password
3628 [20:02:06] <dpkg> For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit
the kernel setting in the grub command line (add
'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your
root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4)
'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6)
'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1)
'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift
while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux
init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
3629 [20:02:27] <greycat> Once you reset root, you can use
"passwd username" as root to reset your others.
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3639 [20:04:31] <pwvergessen> Thank you!
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3658 [20:12:14] <teraflops> what a good factoid
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3680 [20:17:40] <Kiril> hello
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3706 [20:27:57] <Kiril> any ideas how to resolve this issue
3707 [20:27:58] <Kiril>
replaced-url
3708 [20:29:13] <`Kevin> Kiril: is reconfigure exiting != 0 ?
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3710 [20:29:31] <`Kevin> i dont see why postinst should be setting
a root mysql pw
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3713 [20:30:51] <greycat> I don't even know what the issue
*is*. What is dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server-5.5 *supposed* to do?
3714 [20:31:06] <`Kevin> Kiril: check the postinst in
/var/lib/dpkg/info
3715 [20:31:37] <`Kevin> see if it uses mysqladmin or something to
set the password
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3718 [20:32:08] <`Kevin> greycat: x2 thou I am also just assuming
this is a failed install and attempting reconfigure
3719 [20:32:17] <`Kevin> Kiril: ^ ?
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3721 [20:33:25] <Kiril>
replaced-url
3722 [20:33:47] <`Kevin> mysql-server-5.5.postinst
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3727 [20:36:01] <Kiril> yes?
3728 [20:36:34] <`Kevin> curious why you are doing reconfigure in
the first place, is this just a failled install?
3729 [20:36:37] <`Kevin> failed*
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3737 [20:38:13] <Kiril> and what's the procedure to installed
right?
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3739 [20:39:04] <Klaus_D1eter_> hello world
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3741 [20:39:31] <Klaus_D1eter_> sorry for the newbie question but
I cannot find the information on the livecd project. what is the
login that needs to be used for the debian live cd found here:
replaced-url
3742 [20:39:31] <`Kevin> apt-get install or apt-get upgrade, vs
apt-get reconfigure
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3744 [20:39:52] <greycat> !live user
3745 [20:39:58] <greycat> grr.
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3747 [20:40:21] <greycat> !live password
3748 [20:40:21] <dpkg> The debian-live images for Debian 8
"Jessie" have a user account configured for you to use.
username: user ; password: live
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3753 [20:40:45] <unborn> Klaus_D1eter_: its should be user and
password should be live
3754 [20:40:58] <greycat> dpkg, live user is <reply>see live
password
3755 [20:40:58] <dpkg> greycat: okay
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3759 [20:42:34] <Klaus_D1eter_> greycat: thank you. it seems like
this would be worthwile to add on the download page
3760 [20:42:43] <Klaus_D1eter_> :)
3761 [20:43:29] <gebruiker> guys what is the deal with unity it
seems like nobody is up for it to make the large changes
3762 [20:44:12] <missmbob> gebruiker: ask #ubuntu
3763 [20:44:15] * greycat asks dpkg what unity is... oh. I'd have
to care about gnome first.
3764 [20:44:54] <unborn> gebruiker: unity? isnt that DE?
3765 [20:45:10] <gebruiker> unborn, yes
3766 [20:45:51] <gebruiker> greycat, you are making me cry
3767 [20:46:04] <unborn> gebruiker: with all respect,
Canonical's the UKs company os the only one who develops that
and take care about it.. same as for compiz.. you should really ask
them :)
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3770 [20:46:50] <unborn> only I mean literally only them.. all
bugs and all features - only ubuntu.. meh sorry gebruiker
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3773 [20:47:14] <unborn> re *os = is
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3775 [20:47:49] <gebruiker> it is like family quarrel
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3782 [20:52:07] <unborn> gebruiker: nothing against unity - ive
been using that for about 4 years.. it have some issues on its own
but bug truck with no replies or 'well for now on its small
bug.. live with that' (and those was serious issues) - i left..
you should ask ubuntu devs. better said ubuntu is like derivative of
debian unstable with some other issues and cosmetic damage which is
often or all the times unfinished.
3783 [20:52:22] <unborn> re *had
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3786 [20:53:31] <greycat> Debian has its share of unfixed bugs in
stable releases.
3787 [20:53:45] <n-iCe> but who's perfect
3788 [20:53:48] <greycat> (If they didn't, there would never
be a release.)
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3791 [20:54:23] <vitt60> inception
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3794 [20:55:40] <unborn> greycat: we all know that.. point was -
debian does stick with some rules.
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3796 [20:56:45] <gebruiker> unborn, yeah so you are concerned with
their ethics / integrity ? I would have imagined something more
dignified in the way they would deal wwith bugs
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3813 [21:03:01] <unborn> gebruiker: ah no.. no. stability and
security is my main concern..
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3823 [21:06:47] <gebruiker> man i need to do something with my
life
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3825 [21:06:58] <gebruiker> just sitting and playing chess al dayy
long
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3827 [21:07:00] <gebruiker> sigh
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3832 [21:08:57] <unborn> gebruiker: ethics are always
questionable.. I did last night or night before even here.. asking
some idiotic questions.. because I had them so I wanted to ask... I
meet reply not in my imaginable way but - at least it was answered
promptly however integrity should or could be left alone.. you got
source code right....? chess is great! I love it. its logical way to
found out who will die (in a game) first... its fun :)
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3853 [21:19:33] <Quatroking> hey does xscreensaver by any chance
use the GPU for rendering
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3858 [21:21:03] <harha_> Hey
3859 [21:21:27] <harha_> Can anyone here tell me why wouldn't
apt be able to install libsdl2-dev:amd64 for my debian stable x64
dedicated server?
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3861 [21:21:32] <harha_> :386 package installs fine
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3865 [21:21:57] <harha_> libsdl2-dev : Depends: libegl1-mesa-dev
but it is not going to be installed
3866 [21:21:59] <harha_> And so on..
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3869 [21:22:27] <harha_> Oh libgl1-mesa-dev is missing. Apt cannot
find it..
3870 [21:22:44] <somiaj> harha_: what version of debian? What is
the output of 'apt-cache policy'
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3872 [21:23:39] <harha_> somiaj;
replaced-url
3873 [21:24:01] <missmbob> harha_: that's testing
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3875 [21:24:07] <missmbob> !tell harha_ about debian-next
3876 [21:24:10] <harha_> Debian 8.6
3877 [21:24:13] <mr_hubot> Hello!
3878 [21:24:19] <missmbob> harha_: no. it's testing
3879 [21:24:27] <harha_> Hmm
3880 [21:24:28] <harha_> Okhay
3881 [21:24:39] <mr_hubot> How can I become Debian developer?
3882 [21:25:18] <harha_> missmbob; Wait. It's been a while
since I setup this. It's stable and I am only installing
testing packages by manually choosing them when executing
apt-install -t testing
3883 [21:25:37] <missmbob> harha_: doesnt work that way.
you're in testing. please go to the testing channel
3884 [21:25:55] <greycat> harha_: Then it is an unsupportable
botch that we call a frankendebian.
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3886 [21:26:02] <harha_> Well okhay then.
3887 [21:26:03] <greycat> This is FAR WORSE than simply running
testing.
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3891 [21:26:43] <harha_> The only thing I've taken from
testing is gcc, g++, make and cmake. Everything else is from debian
stable AFAIK. Anyways I'll move to that other channel then.
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3895 [21:27:17] <greycat> "Oh, just the C++ compiler. And
everything the C++ compiler depends on. How bad could it be."
3896 [21:27:51] <harha_> Yes, well I'll see how bad can it
be.
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3900 [21:28:14] <greycat> If the goal is to have a stable system,
but to be able to build packaes for other people's stretch
systems, set up a stretch chroot using debootstrap and do your
building in there.
3901 [21:28:20] <somiaj> mr_hubot: what are you interested in
doing? Usually one starts with becoming a package matainer.
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3905 [21:29:05] <mr_hubot> somiaj: I'd like to create and
modify packages for Debian.
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3910 [21:29:49] <somiaj> mr_hubot:
replaced-url
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3913 [21:30:06] <somiaj> mr_hubot: if you want to just supply bug
fixes and likes to packages that currently have matainers, you can
use the BTS for this.
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3916 [21:31:10] <mr_hubot> I've to register on
mentors.debian.net?
3917 [21:31:32] <somiaj> mr_hubot: no. There are just some linkes
and instructions.
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3919 [21:31:47] <greycat> "You mean I have to READ
IT?!?"
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3922 [21:32:10] <somiaj> mr_hubot: There is also the debian new
matainers guide that is a good read on debian packaging.
3923 [21:32:15] <somiaj> !dnmg
3924 [21:32:17] <harha_> greycat; Thanks for the suggestion.
I'm only trying to make this automatic build system called
Jenkins to work on my little dedicated server and the newest gcc and
make is pretty much all I need for actually building my projects on
this machine.
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3927 [21:32:43] <Denommus> is there a place where I can get help
on creating dpkgs?
3928 [21:32:53] <somiaj> !nmg
3929 [21:32:53] <dpkg> The packaging tutorial (replaced-url
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3931 [21:33:00] <somiaj> Denommus: ^^
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3933 [21:34:06] <Denommus> sorry, I have some basic understanding,
but I have some doubts
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3943 [21:36:02] <bakspace> Do you need to have python installed
for Debian to work?
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3945 [21:36:16] <somiaj> bakspace: yes
3946 [21:36:57] <greycat> A minimal python, yes.
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3948 [21:37:09] <greycat> Also a minimal perl.
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3950 [21:37:33] <unborn> mr_hubot: well you meet mr robot :) -
perhaps you can respan great debian into your own dirsto? there was
one awesome called chrungbang - but it died.. making your own distro
gives you some freedom ;)
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3953 [21:39:00] <mr_hubot> unborn: I changed OS to Linux from
Windows some years ago.
3954 [21:39:34] <mr_hubot> I feel too much better with Debian. I
also very like Gentoo project.
3955 [21:39:41] <somiaj> unborn: that is really off topic, and
doens't adress the actual issue of mixing stable and testing.
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3967 [21:40:33] <somiaj> mr_hubot: if you really need to install
packages from testing inside of stable, you should look into
backports (sometimes you have to create your own). But mixing can
lead to all sort of issues. Form apt having trouble isntalling
packages to actually breaking your system.
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3974 [21:41:18] <unborn> mr_hubot: - then switch and be free :)
same as I did.. since I did - I did not look backwards...
3975 [21:41:19] <imMute> So I have an interesting problem. Debian
Jessie system hooked up to a KVM (monitor + keyboard), no X
installed (bare console only). If I run nano and hit Scroll Lock,
from an SSH session "sudo reboot" will fail to reboot the
system until I go back to the KVM and turn off Scroll Lock. Has
anyone seen this before and/or know of a way to disable that Scroll
Lock functionality on the console?
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3977 [21:41:31] <hid3> Hello everyone. Some time ago here was a
bot which could identify hardware by its some PCI Ids... Anyone know
if it is still here and how to use it?
3978 [21:41:39] <unborn> somiaj: really?
3979 [21:42:04] <missmbob> hid3: /msg judd pciid foo
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3982 [21:42:23] <imMute> hid3: the PCI IDs repository is also
online at
replaced-url
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3986 [21:42:46] <hid3> excellent, thanks a lot
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4033 [21:47:16] <jhutchins> Man, I love google fiber. Less than a
minute to download the iso
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4044 [21:48:18] <unborn> jhutchins: well.. less then 6 seconds to
download the iso :) - welcome to internet :D
4045 [21:48:19] <jhutchins> With the live iso, I get
"Permission denies (public key)." when I try to connect
via ssh. This happens even with a new user.
4046 [21:48:34] <mate_CRAZY> what about apt-get -d ? Seems to be
obsolete now, isn`t it ?
4047 [21:48:35] <jhutchins> (Trying to connect to a system booted
from the live iso.)
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4052 [21:49:29] <jhutchins> mate_CRAZY: How would we know
what's obsolete on kali?
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4054 [21:49:53] <BeautifulBash> Is JHBuild the way to go if I want
the latest Gnome?
4055 [21:49:56] <mate_CRAZY> jhutchins, how Do You know/scan?
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4089 [21:50:11] <BeautifulBash> I mean Id settle for Gnome 3.16
but Im not sure if Jessie has that
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4091 [21:50:16] <jhutchins> mate_CRAZY: I've been at this a
while.
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4096 [21:50:32] <mate_CRAZY> jhutchins, at what ? Kali ?
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4098 [21:50:43] <jhutchins> Computers. Linux.
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4103 [21:51:10] <mate_CRAZY> jhutchins, me too, still, how Did You
guess kali ?
4104 [21:51:11] <jhutchins> mate_CRAZY: Anyway, that's the
kind of thing that varies when you're running a derivative
distro. Build options, switches, etc.
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4111 [21:52:38] <jhutchins> mate_CRAZY: Debian is currently
developing apt - just that as a tool to incorporate all of apt-get
and aptitude's feaatures. (Not sure if they're doing
menued mode.)
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4114 [21:52:53] <jhutchins> mate_CRAZY: aptitude is my preferred
tool.
4115 [21:52:59] <mate_CRAZY> so, is there anybody around here ,
who can issue apt-get -d successfully ?
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4119 [21:53:19] <mate_CRAZY> jhutchins, aptitude was my fav
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4122 [21:54:24] <`Kevin> mate_CRAZY: what do you need todo
4123 [21:54:25] <`Kevin> apt-get download -d fluxbox
4124 [21:54:28] <`Kevin> or etc ?
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4130 [21:56:53] <mate_CRAZY> `Kevin, i want to apt-get download
only.
4131 [21:56:56] <mate_CRAZY> thats all
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4133 [21:57:17] <`Kevin> right so apt-get download -d
4134 [21:57:22] <`Kevin> as the manpage states >> Unless the
-h, or --help option is given, one of the commands below must be
present.
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4136 [21:57:41] <mate_CRAZY> `Kevin, wanna see my prompt
afterwards ?
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4138 [21:57:55] <greycat> WHAT do you want to download?
4139 [21:57:59] <`Kevin> not if you are using kali :)
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4141 [21:58:21] <mate_CRAZY> greycat, EVERYTHING, just not install
xet
4142 [21:58:25] <mate_CRAZY> yet
4143 [21:58:31] <greycat> -d is --download-only which is usually
used with "install" or "upgrade" or
"dist-upgrade" to store the .deb files in
/var/cache/apt/archives/ for later
4144 [21:59:00] <greycat> so, AS ROOT, apt-get -d upgrade
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4152 [22:01:31] <Denommus> I don't understand what the
cannonical way to set the permission of a file installed by dpkg
4153 [22:01:41] <Denommus> *what is
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4155 [22:02:46] <greycat> Are you creating a package, or
installing one that someone else made that you think is wrong?
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4157 [22:03:44] <Denommus> greycat: I'm creating one
4158 [22:03:55] <Denommus> it's a PHP application
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4161 [22:04:35] <unborn> Denommus: well you creating one - make
sure that no cannonicals are around :)
4162 [22:05:26] <Denommus> unborn: I beg you pardon?
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4164 [22:05:40] <unborn> -php - there are some guidelines to
follow.. everythings on web.. im sorry I will not guide you anymore
as I am about to - enjoy of my free time
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4166 [22:06:09] <greycat> Just ignore unborn. He's a noise
generator.
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4168 [22:06:29] <unborn> greycat: - well said.
4169 [22:06:33] <Denommus> in any case, I do know about the webapp
policy manual
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4173 [22:07:04] <Denommus> dpkg docs are just so HUGE though
4174 [22:07:05] <dpkg> ...but docs is already something else...
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4177 [22:07:33] <polyzen> twss
4178 [22:07:56] <Denommus> ok, so dpkg also happens to be a bot
here
4179 [22:08:00] <Denommus> dpkg docs
4180 [22:08:00] <dpkg> Before asking, please read the
documentation. Documentation isn't always easy to read, but
that doesn't excuse you from (a) trying and (b) sending patches
to improve the docs. If you don't do this, expect to be told to
RTFM by impatient volunteers. Dick Brandon said that
"Documentation is like sex: When it is good, it is very, very,
good. And when it is bad, it is better than nothing." Ask me
about <finding docs>, <manuals>.
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4182 [22:08:20] <BeautifulBash> Would I be happy on Debian
Unstable?
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4184 [22:08:29] <BeautifulBash> Im worried about switching and
things breaking too often
4185 [22:08:40] <greycat> If you are happy when things break, then
you will be happy on unstable.
4186 [22:08:42] <BeautifulBash> I dont mind things breaking
occasionally as I usually break something somewhere along the line
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4188 [22:08:55] <BeautifulBash> greycat, How frequent is it
though? Thats what I worry about
4189 [22:09:00] <mate_CRAZY> greycat, Do You mean -d will not work
like this "apt-get -d" ?
4190 [22:09:04] <unborn> greycat: - i will never forget this
noise.. its good - you know.. I learn lesson. its always greater to
leave issues to others :)
4191 [22:09:26] <greycat> mate_CRAZY: I have no idea what is wrong
with you, but I hope you figure it out and fix yourself.
4192 [22:09:31] <`Kevin> mate_CRAZY: as per what I pasted on the
man page no
4193 [22:09:43] <`Kevin> again -> as the manpage states
>> Unless the -h, or --help option is given, one of the
commands below must be present.
4194 [22:09:43] <BeautifulBash> Or would I be happier in testing?
4195 [22:09:57] <teraflops> try it and see
4196 [22:10:21] <mate_CRAZY> greycat, what is wrong? I read the
man page, did what it told me and it did not work ( by the way, a
german translated manpage)
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4198 [22:10:35] <greycat> 15:59 greycat> so, AS ROOT, apt-get
-d upgrade
4199 [22:10:43] <greycat> mate_CRAZY: ^^^
4200 [22:10:53] <teraflops> because trusting random irc
user's advices is a great idea...
4201 [22:11:07] <mate_CRAZY> that is a hint, upgrade afterwards...
thx
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4208 [22:12:18] <mate_CRAZY> need to note that in my
"WhatILearned-Notes"
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4210 [22:12:25] <greycat> Feel free to verify my suggestions by
reading the manuals. This is good policy regardless of who gives the
advice.
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4214 [22:13:10] <teraflops> greycat: i didn't say that
because of you. it was for BeautifulBash
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4216 [22:13:37] <mate_CRAZY> greycat, somehow this version of
mine, in german, did not mention the neccessity of -d and the
definitive issue
4217 [22:14:05] <greycat> It doesn't say "-d,
--download-only"?
4218 [22:14:12] <greycat> It doesn't explain what this OPTION
does?
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4220 [22:14:35] <mate_CRAZY> it does, but it does not clarify,
that I should also issue upgrade
4221 [22:14:52] <plorph> how can I get Golang compiler 1.4+, seems
like the main is 1.3
4222 [22:14:56] <greycat> PEBCAK
4223 [22:15:09] <mate_CRAZY> greycat, whats that?
4224 [22:15:13] * `Kevin smh
4225 [22:15:24] <mate_CRAZY> okm wait
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4229 [22:15:51] <teraflops> problem is betwwen chair and keyboard
4230 [22:15:56] <greycat> (exists)
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4233 [22:16:05] <teraflops> yeah
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4238 [22:16:53] <mate_CRAZY> teraflops, greycat anyone developer
of You ?
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4241 [22:17:07] <greycat> My developers are both still alive,
fortunately.
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4243 [22:17:15] <teraflops> huh?
4244 [22:17:17] <zmitya> hi Guys.. what is the best way installing
thunderbird on a Jessie ?
4245 [22:17:29] <greycat> I think I know what he's trying to
ask, but I ran with the joke....
4246 [22:17:37] <jmcnaught> zmitya: apt-get install icedove
4247 [22:17:38] <abrotman> dpkg: tell zmitya about icedove
4248 [22:17:47] <mate_CRAZY> teraflops, and greycat : Are You
software developers ?
4249 [22:17:58] <greycat> Certainly. Just not a Debian developer.
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4251 [22:18:35] <zmitya> jmcnaught, abrotman: is that fully
compatible with all the extensions ?
4252 [22:18:52] <abrotman> zmitya: Unsure, I've only used
Lightning, which is also packaged
4253 [22:19:00] <mate_CRAZY> greycat, dumb nerd with nothing to
pose, just if someone else missed the praghraphs in the man pages
4254 [22:19:02] <mate_CRAZY> thx
4255 [22:19:10] <abrotman> mate_CRAZY: Do you need help with
Debian?
4256 [22:19:30] <jmcnaught> zmitya: as far as i know it is.
iceweasel always was with firefox extensions. there are a few other
extensions like enigmail packaged for Debian.
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4258 [22:19:49] <teraflops> mate_CRAZY: oh :(
4259 [22:19:51] <mate_CRAZY> abrotman, nice speech. thx, i think,
those selfish nerd helped me already
4260 [22:20:05] <abrotman> mate_CRAZY: If you're done
insulting people, feel free to part the channel
4261 [22:20:10] <mate_CRAZY> teraflops, jup
4262 [22:20:14] <zmitya> abrotman, jmcnaught: gpg and lightning
are the most important, so thanks
4263 [22:20:20] <zmitya> I'll give a try
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4265 [22:20:24] <teraflops> mate_CRAZY: i dont hate you
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4267 [22:20:33] <teraflops> love bro
4268 [22:20:41] * abrotman thought they were going to start including
Lightning directly
4269 [22:20:54] <mate_CRAZY> abrotman, insultng has many faces,
and i am just reacting
4270 [22:21:03] <abrotman> mate_CRAZY: Please stop, thank you
4271 [22:21:09] <jmcnaught> zmitya: lightning is renamed iceowl in
jessie
4272 [22:21:20] <mate_CRAZY> np
4273 [22:21:32] <teraflops> pebcak is a known term. no offense
intended
4274 [22:21:37] <mate_CRAZY> if you are proud of a misleading
manpage, go for it
4275 [22:21:47] <mate_CRAZY> but dont blame me
4276 [22:21:55] <abrotman> mate_CRAZY: Please stop, last warning
4277 [22:22:19] <greycat> There is nothing misleading about the
man page.
4278 [22:22:22] <mate_CRAZY> why ? I did not insult anyone right
now
4279 [22:22:26] <abrotman> yes, you did
4280 [22:22:34] <mate_CRAZY> by what ?
4281 [22:22:35] <`Kevin> mate_CRAZY: the man page I read was
valid, I also pasted you the exact lines that noted -d needed other
options
4282 [22:22:37] <greycat> "Unless the -h, or --help option is
given, one of the commands below must be present."
4283 [22:22:44] <`Kevin> ^
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4285 [22:22:49] <abrotman> mate_CRAZY: do you think "dumb
nerd" is not an insult. Again, please stop
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4288 [22:22:59] <zmitya> jmcnaught: thx
4289 [22:23:04] <mate_CRAZY> that was minutes ago
4290 [22:23:09] <abrotman> ..
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4294 [22:24:16] <unborn> abrotman: just follow the logs :)
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4299 [22:26:19] <crhylove> Where does Wheezy store mysql by
default?
4300 [22:26:21] <axc1298> if i wanted to use kde 5, would my
system be more secure using debian testing, or kubuntu? only debian
stable has a security team from what i understand
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4304 [22:26:59] <`Kevin> crhylove: the db/data, binaries, or
config
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4308 [22:27:49] <crhylove> `Kevin, The db/data
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4310 [22:27:52] <r3> crhylove: MySQL stores DB files in
/var/lib/mysql by default, but you can override this in the
configuration file, typically called /etc/my.cnf, although Debian
calls it /etc/mysql/my.cnf.
4311 [22:27:54] <crhylove> found the conf already.
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4314 [22:28:17] <`Kevin> ^
4315 [22:28:29] <crhylove> /var/lib/mysql was it. :)
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4318 [22:29:02] <r3> (just fyi, that was the 1st hit from asking
google your question. The more you know...)
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4320 [22:30:03] <r3> at least I didn't point you to
lmgtfy.com :)
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4322 [22:30:13] <jmcnaught> crhylove: if you are planning to back
this directory up it's much better to use mysqldump. Trying to
make a copy of the mysql data directory will lead to an inconsistent
copy.
4323 [22:30:26] * r3 nods
4324 [22:30:28] <abrotman> mostly leads to crying
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4327 [22:30:50] <r3> I worked very closely with developers working
on a way to back up live SQL data to tape
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4331 [22:31:48] <crhylove> jmcnaught, I have a sql dump... Trying
the restore command now. Once I find it. LOL
4332 [22:31:50] <r3> still much crying, but eventually it got to
work
4333 [22:32:08] <teraflops> dat? directly? why?
4334 [22:32:40] <crhylove> Ugh. I kill all tape. It's 2016
for Christ's sake.
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4336 [22:32:43] <`Kevin> mysqldump works well for smaller DBs if
you need something non locking use innobackupex/xtrabackup (switch
to innodb from myisam where possible)
4337 [22:32:56] <`Kevin> *mostly non locking
4338 [22:33:01] <crhylove> `Kevin, Using mysqldump. :)
4339 [22:33:17] <jmcnaught> crhylove: you restore with the mysql
client
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4343 [22:33:48] <crhylove> jmcnaught, Correct.
4344 [22:34:01] <crhylove> Trying to figure out what the default
mediawiki DB is right now.
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4347 [22:34:13] <crhylove> my_wiki looks promising. :)
4348 [22:34:17] <r3> I didn't say this was recently
4349 [22:34:22] <teraflops> dat is great for taking backups. nvm
im getting offropic
4350 [22:34:36] <sbeex> hi there :) can we use all debian packages
on linux mint without problems ?
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4352 [22:34:56] <abrotman> sbeex: NFC, ask the Mint people
4353 [22:34:59] <yareckon> oh noes
4354 [22:35:00] <abrotman> dpkg: tell sbeex about mint
4355 [22:35:13] <teraflops> yeah asked there?
4356 [22:35:15] <abrotman> sbeex: We honestly wouldn't know,
most of us here don't use Mint
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4359 [22:35:47] <sbeex> yes I asked but there are almost 10 users
only and no answer ^^
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4362 [22:36:10] <crhylove> I've migrated everything to
Devuan. I only have a few legacy Wheezy servers that are still
running nicely.
4363 [22:36:17] <abrotman> sbeex: asked where? They're on a
different network
4364 [22:36:22] <crhylove> sbeex, mint uses a different server.
They don't use freenode.
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4366 [22:36:29] <crhylove> I know, that's dumb. But it is
what it is.
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4368 [22:36:35] <sbeex> #linuxmint-help
4369 [22:36:40] <abrotman> sbeex: on the spotchat server?
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4371 [22:36:51] <abrotman> sbeex: if not, ask ##linux on freenode
maybe .. but you won't get help here
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4373 [22:36:59] <sbeex> yep thank you ;)
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4375 [22:37:05] <sbeex> sorry for annoying
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4380 [22:37:17] <sbeex> and debian <3 ;) forever for my servers
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4382 [22:37:23] <crhylove> sbeex, No worries. Polite questions are
not annoying.
4383 [22:37:39] <abrotman> sbeex: not annoying, but really,
you'll be hardpressed to get a good answer here
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4387 [22:38:44] <yareckon> sbeex, the real answer it it depends,
so anyone is going to have to ask you a lot of questions
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4390 [22:39:10] <jmcnaught> crhylove: why migrate to Devuan, are
you not aware that sysvinit is still available in Debian Jessie?
4391 [22:40:19] <crhylove> jmcnaught, I want to ensure that I
never accidentally infect a system with sysd.
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4396 [22:40:52] <crhylove> Hmmm... finished mysql dump restore,
but now only getting some data.... :/
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4406 [22:42:25] <`Kevin> crhylove: pastebin the steps you did
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4410 [22:43:34] <crhylove> `Kevin, all the data is there, just not
the main page. :/
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4416 [22:44:06] <crhylove> Which might be OK, as for this project
I need to recreate the main page anyway. Now to figure out how to
find all the pages without the main page.
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4433 [22:47:35] <yareckon> night everyone
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4436 [22:48:02] <yareckon> ranix, the weird partition stuff was my
crappy usb->sata adapter
4437 [22:48:18] <yareckon> disk worked fine in an external
enclosure
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4453 [22:52:19] * crhylove does a little dance. "Got it
solved!"
4454 [22:52:19] * r3 makes a little love
4455 [22:52:28] <crhylove> lol
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4485 [23:00:02] <ranix> yaymuffins: wow weird
4486 [23:00:07] <ranix> thx for sharing
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4488 [23:00:32] <n00b> hello my dudes
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4491 [23:01:08] <mr_hubot> I can't login to alioth.
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4495 [23:01:37] <mr_hubot> I clicked confirmation link.
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4507 [23:04:39] <gebruiker> anyone running zfs here? curious to
know how well it runs compared to ext4
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4509 [23:04:57] <`Kevin> gebruiker: i use it for DB backup things
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4517 [23:05:57] <gebruiker> `Kevin, why did you chose it over
other fs?
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4521 [23:06:50] <`Kevin> gebruiker: I the way snapshots work
compared to say LVM, it is much more efficient and I can keep
hundreds without performance degradation
4522 [23:06:59] <`Kevin> thats the main reason
4523 [23:07:33] <`Kevin> gebruiker: aside from that we have
started to use it for copying data between servers using zfs send /
zfs recv for standing up copies of data on dev environments etc
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4525 [23:08:23] <`Kevin> gebruiker: lz4 compression is
fast/efficient .... it all depends really on what you want in
comparison to ext4
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4528 [23:10:01] <gebruiker> `Kevin was interested in using as my
desktop fs but then just remembered how it had memory problems
because of the way the linux kernel works
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4535 [23:10:20] <gebruiker> i am also curous about kfreebsd
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4538 [23:11:10] <`Kevin> gebruiker: ive used it for over a year at
this point with no major issues, regarding memory the only thing im
aware of is ARC memory requirements but as long as you have a fair
amount of spare ram you should be ok
4539 [23:11:29] <`Kevin> pending your data set size + rate of
change... on a workstation that shouldnt be too crazy
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4548 [23:14:09] <`Kevin> (he left but..) ^ do not switch
filesystems unless you have a purpose/reason :)
4549 [23:15:02] <Atm0spher1c> I'm running stable and I like
to backport a few packages that I need from sid. If I do a
reinstall, is there any way to have dpkg --get-selections output
only the backported packages?
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4570 [23:23:40] <Atm0spher1c> The packages I backported manually I
named differently. But I used apt-build a few times since it was
easier and sacrificed control
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4622 [23:48:06] <JyZyXEL> why doesn't letsencrypt.sh restart
apache after a renewal of the certificate?
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4624 [23:48:27] <JyZyXEL> without the restart, apache is left
using the old expired certificate
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4629 [23:50:31] <mr_hubot> How is password for challenge email of
new member process?
4630 [23:50:57] <teraflops> is letsencrypt.sh a debian thing?
4631 [23:51:06] <JyZyXEL> yes
4632 [23:51:25] <missmbob> it has nothing to do with debian other
than the fact that it's in debian
4633 [23:51:34] <imMute> JyZyXEL: what package does it come from?
also, what about people running nginx or lighttpd instead of apache
httpd?
4634 [23:51:42] <teraflops> JyZyXEL: ah I just git the shit
directly
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4641 [23:54:24] <Lady_Aleena> The local version of my site will
not load into my browser because Apache isn't reading my local
perl libs, and there are not documents anywhere telling me how to
get Apache to read my local perl libs.
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4643 [23:55:00] <Lady_Aleena> s/not documents/no documents/;
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