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0[00:00:15] <tobiasBora> I see a line "REJECT all -- anywhere anywhere reject-with icmp-host-prohibited"
1[00:00:20] <tobiasBora> in Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT)
2[00:00:32] <tobiasBora> However the line "ACCEPT all -- anywhere anywhere" is above
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4[00:01:09] <tobiasBora> Does anyone knows if this iptables could block the port 4505?
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8[00:01:41] <tw> no way to tell, iptables -L doesn't show interfaces.
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12[00:02:39] <tobiasBora> tw, how could I check them?
13[00:03:01] <tw> iptables-save will give you the raw rules.
14[00:04:05] <tobiasBora> iptables-save does not give me any output
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27[00:08:22] <tw> Yet iptables -L does? You've got me baffled then. The only time it gives no output is when iptables isn't loaded.
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29[00:08:42] <tw> Or if it isn't run as root.
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32[00:09:56] <qqx> `iptables -vL` will include interface info
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36[00:11:38] <tobiasBora> Here is the iptables -vL outputs: replaced-url
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39[00:12:05] <tobiasBora> tw: I'm stupid, I forgot sudo...
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41[00:14:29] <tobiasBora> tw: replaced-url
42[00:14:45] <tobiasBora> Is it linked with -A IN_public_allow -p tcp -m tcp --dport 22 -m conntrack --ctstate NEW -j ACCEPT ?
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45[00:16:03] <tw> tobiasBora: you need to add 4505 to your firewall manager.
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55[00:23:54] <mutante> tobiasBora: it will block port 4505 unless the destination is 185.107.80.185. Is that the IP of the server you are trying to reach?
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57[00:24:08] <tobiasBora> Ok I found the solution!
58[00:24:34] <tobiasBora> mutante: It's the server that tries to reach me ^^
59[00:24:53] <tobiasBora> What is the difference between IN_public_allow and INPUT?
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63[00:25:52] <mutante> tobiasBora: eh, then that might be the problem. the rule above says "destination port 4505 on IP 185.107.80.185"
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65[00:25:58] <missmbob> you should really ask #netfilter
66[00:26:02] <mutante> but you have the solution .. so...
67[00:26:03] <Tom01> How can I switch off the Screen with the Mouse?
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69[00:26:48] <mutante> Tom01: replaced-url
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71[00:27:28] <tobiasBora> Ok thank you!
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74[00:28:57] <Tom01> mutante: thx
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105[00:48:58] <goldkatze> Hi :-)
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107[00:49:38] <goldkatze> Does Debian GNU/kfreebsd Jessie use kernel 10 or 11? Been poking around packages.d.o but can't seem to find much on the matter.
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109[00:50:28] <mutante> goldkatze: eh, the current kernel version is 4.10 or 4.11
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111[00:50:49] <mutante> i think it's gonna use the stable one, so .10
112[00:50:54] <goldkatze> mutante: Reread my question, and you'll know I made sense.
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114[00:51:04] <mutante> goldkatze: yes, i did. i think the answer is 10
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116[00:51:23] <mutante> 4.11 is still just a release candidate
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119[00:52:14] <goldkatze> ...
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121[00:53:29] <jmcnaught> goldkatze: there's a #debian-kbsd channel on irc.oftc.net where they're more likely to know
122[00:53:38] <mutante> goldkatze: ok ok, i get it now , sorry
123[00:53:56] <goldkatze> jmcnaught: Hm, alright. I'll head over. Thanks for the hint :-)
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132[00:59:44] <x_> i was looking at upgrading my dist from jessie to stretch, since it passed the package freeze
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134[01:00:28] <x_> are there any people reporting breakage during/after upgrade?
135[01:00:48] <x_> anything major i should keep an eye out
136[01:01:08] <mutante> x_: for me it just worked
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138[01:01:40] <teraflops> x_: idk I only dist-upgraded a clean minimal jessie installation
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159[01:11:12] <snypz> hello all
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162[01:11:51] <snypz> is ther a bare metal ZFS ISO install for deian?
163[01:12:09] <snypz> NOT virtual Bare Metal?
164[01:12:33] <snypz> from the ground up?
165[01:12:58] <snypz> would like to use debian as my core OS
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168[01:13:11] <snypz> requesting help...
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171[01:16:19] <goldkatze> Are there currently any discussions of reconsidering a proper init system for installation default? (as in: any news since that ill-advised systemd/upstart/sysvinit-triage?)
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173[01:17:21] <prussian> snypz: no, but you can get zfs-dkms from contrib.
174[01:17:32] <prussian> goldkatze: systemd is the best init system, what are you on about?
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177[01:18:32] <snypz> Intel (Asus turbo MB)
178[01:19:08] <prussian> wut
179[01:19:14] <snypz> Hmmm
180[01:19:15] <goldkatze> prussian: If that's the rethorical question I stringly suspect it to be: haha, sure ;-) if it's not, search the web; I agree with critics on that one.
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182[01:19:48] <goldkatze> Just care for progress, dont care for feeding trolls and reheating the flame
183[01:20:08] <snypz> thanks for the info...
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186[01:20:50] <snypz> Oh well you all have a great day... LINUX for Life!!!
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292[02:21:06] <micros> hello. i recently installed hostapd and it starts on every boot. how can i prevent this behavior?
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299[02:24:29] <goldkatze> micros: either in /etc/default or init-dependant
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304[02:27:48] <goldkatze> micros: that is, for instance, rc-update delete hostapd # :-)
305[02:28:29] <micros> gold - no, i want to keep it
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307[02:28:51] <micros> i found the /etc/default/dnsmasq and it had an enable option... hostapd does not
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310[02:29:45] <micros> if i remove the /etc/default/hostapd will that prevent starting of the service?
311[02:30:07] <micros> or is that just a location of a default cfg that the service will check if a custom override in /etc/hostapd/ is not found?
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313[02:30:35] <goldkatze> micros: rc-update delete does /not/ uninstall; it merely prevents it from being started.
314[02:30:48] <goldkatze> (or whichever command is appropriate for whichever init you use)
315[02:31:17] <goldkatze> and deleting /etc/default/hostapd will probably not prevent it from starting
316[02:32:24] <goldkatze> micros: for the most part, /etc only contains configuration files and scripts which have configurating effects.
317[02:33:08] <micros> thank you . i will try it
318[02:34:56] <micros> i dont have rc-update... im not running debian, its raspbian which was branched and modified heavily :(
319[02:35:37] <micros> update-rc.d <Servicename> disable
320[02:35:46] <micros> gotta love google. thanks for the hint
321[02:35:47] <goldkatze> micros: find out which init you're using, eg with ps -q 1 -o cmd
322[02:36:08] <micros> SysV
323[02:36:24] <goldkatze> ah, there you go, update-rc.d :-)
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336[02:46:12] <micros> not reallu understanding the warnings for which run levels to supply as arguments
337[02:46:31] <micros> i suppose i should stop it first, then disable it... it generates warnings since i didnt specify any run-levels. it did seem to work though.
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419[03:33:10] <madaboutjessie> hello i need to disable sleep on X session
420[03:33:17] <madaboutjessie> ¿help me please?
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426[03:37:43] <missmbob> ,i caffeine
427[03:37:44] <judd> No package named 'caffeine' was found in jessie/amd64.
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429[03:37:54] <missmbob> oh, yeah. stretch only
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431[03:39:26] <jmcnaught> madaboutjessie: look in your logs to see what is suspending your computer. Also please do not cross post, it's rude.
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444[03:46:52] <deadend> Does kernel version 3.16 support multithreading with Ryzen processor?
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449[03:49:39] <Voldenet> deadend: if you're asking if multithreading will work overall - I see no reason why it wouldn't
450[03:50:35] <deadend> I was reading about the Ryzen processor and how it would work on linux and found this in google replaced-url
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452[03:51:53] <Voldenet> deadend: pretty much this patch might be significant replaced-url
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518[05:01:54] <ThePortWhisperer> hello
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520[05:02:04] <ThePortWhisperer> how do i install the following application on debian
521[05:02:05] <ThePortWhisperer> replaced-url
522[05:03:34] <gry> it's just a bash script. put it in your PATH and configure your wm to start the daemon onlogin
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550[05:41:19] <ThePortWhisperer> gry thanks
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639[07:06:44] <xormor> how do I setup xscreensaver to work on my Debian Cinnamon system? Thank you.
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797[09:04:33] <lazycat> is NTFS the best option if you need to use linux and debian with a hard drive?
798[09:04:41] <lazycat> windows*
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811[09:13:54] <coke> i prefer exfat
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822[09:23:05] <kuplaj> can i find older versions of packages in debian repos?
823[09:23:12] <kuplaj> for example i need samba 3.0
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830[09:28:21] <Stummi> kuplaj, archive.debian.org
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832[09:28:37] <Stummi> no wait, sorry
833[09:28:49] <Stummi> snapshot.debian.org I mean
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837[09:30:01] <kuplaj> @Stummi thanks
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857[09:47:49] <celyr> lazouz, there are many drivers for ext234 for windows
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899[10:17:50] <dionysus69> ok thats it
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901[10:18:22] <dionysus69> I have been bothered by this for long enough. sometimes when I plug in my laptop and start system up, the battery is not charging, this happens usually when the battery is low.
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903[10:18:42] <dionysus69> when I unplug, system just turns off, it mysteriously refuses to charge, any ideas why this could be the case :\
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907[10:20:11] <petemc> dionysus69: battery could be degraded to the point it no longer takes a charge
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916[10:23:23] <dionysus69> petemc: but battery is working great, i have 4 - 5 hour usage on full battery, this is x1 carbon 3rd gen ;)
917[10:24:08] <dionysus69> the problem i noted could be resolved by powering down, reconnecting charger and then turning back on. then it starts charging as needed
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937[10:32:15] <Nickel> Hi, how do i execute an iptables-command from a script at boot-time ? The skript is already written but how to execute it automatically at boot time ?
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958[10:41:32] <vitaerk> hi, iam using debian 8.7.1 and have some "firmwareBugs" in dmesg. See replaced-url
959[10:41:35] <vitaerk> andy ideas
960[10:41:38] <vitaerk> ?
961[10:41:54] <vitaerk> any
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965[10:44:12] <jelly> vitaerk: does anything fail towork?
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970[10:46:59] <vitaerk> jelly, all seems to work. I dont know, iam noticed nothing for now
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977[10:49:57] <Nickel> Hi, how do i use APT, or dpkg , to check where "debian-policy" has been installed to (into which directory) ?
978[10:50:08] <Popzi> Does anyone know what caused my server to reboot? - Logs - replaced-url
979[10:50:16] <Popzi> pam_unix(cron:session)?
980[10:50:22] <jelly> Nickel: dpkg -L packagename ... to list installed package contents
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1024[11:09:46] <dTal> Hm. Debian Jessie, MATE desktop, clean install: PDFs open in GIMP, instead of Atril (the PDF viewer). This seems bad enough behaviour to count as a bug.
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1026[11:10:09] <dTal> Trivially fixed of course, but it won't leave a great impression on a first timer.
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1131[12:00:06] <serrano> How can I specify a package dependency where the version must lie within a range (e.g. (>= 3.6 && < 3.7))?
1132[12:00:17] <serrano> I can't find this in the Debian dependency specification
1133[12:01:32] <dgriffi> does anyone here do much graphics programming?
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1136[12:03:36] <goldkatze> dgriffi: Probably best to try more specific channel, eg: /msg alis list *opengl* -min 10
1137[12:03:37] <serrano> I didn't formulate my question correctly; it should be: what is the correct syntax for specifying a version range?
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1140[12:05:03] <dgriffi> goldkatze: topic is jpeg... no jpeg/jpg channels
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1143[12:05:43] <goldkatze> maybe ##imagemagick and lots of patience
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1152[12:08:59] <abff> dgriffi check out #blender
1153[12:09:12] <dgriffi> hmm.... okay
1154[12:09:34] <dgriffi> my problem is how to convert an old application that uses libjasper to use openjpeg instead
1155[12:09:53] <abff> oh those guys do open source 3d stuff
1156[12:10:07] <petn-randall> serrano: You might want to ask in #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net.
1157[12:10:13] <abff> sorry I missed your jpeg needs.
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1163[12:11:13] <serrano> petn-randall: alright, thanks
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1189[12:27:31] <dgriffi> what package controls bash-completion?
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1191[12:28:10] <freehck> hello people, do somebody know what paramaters do preinst scripts get?
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1194[12:28:48] <centrx> dgriffi: Looks like there is a bash-completion package
1195[12:29:00] <centrx> dgriffi: and bash itself does some level of completion
1196[12:29:30] <dgriffi> centrx: searching for it on packages.debian.org got me nothing
1197[12:29:51] <centrx> dgriffi: replaced-url
1198[12:29:56] <centrx> dgriffi: That's the easiest way to do simple searches
1199[12:30:09] <centrx> dgriffi: also you can run a search on your own machine: apt-cache search bash completion
1200[12:31:04] <freehck> forget, found myself
1201[12:31:06] <freehck> replaced-url
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1222[12:40:36] <LOL-sex-LOL> LOL DRUGS
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1224[12:40:59] <LOL-sex-LOL> im so fucking high on smoking methcrackphetamine with extra heroin and shroom crank.
1225[12:41:55] <acresearch> people, you know how in unity the menue (file, edit ect...) is in the top main manu and not top of each window, is there something similar to this in debian's gnome or mate or cinnamon?
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1230[12:47:07] <Nickel> LOL-sex-LOL: say no to drugs..., dont try get me into that nonsense, please respect me...
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1235[12:51:12] <acresearch> people, you know how in unity the menue (file, edit ect...) is in the top main manu and not top of each window, is there something similar to this in debian's gnome or mate or cinnamon?
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1245[13:00:40] <LOL-sex-LOL> ALL SHROOMS ARE NOW PURPLE!
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1248[13:01:17] <petn-randall> 1/10, weak attempt at trolling. Would not recommend.
1249[13:02:01] <LEader055> I am the shitter of the nation.
1250[13:02:05] <LOL-sex-LOL> petn-randall: what is trolling?
1251[13:02:19] <LEader055> I shit. You shit. We shit. It's shit.
1252[13:02:23] <LOL-sex-LOL> is it when a gay guy tries to shove a squirrel up his ass?
1253[13:02:37] <LEader055> Depends if the squirrel is m or f.
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1255[13:03:00] <LOL-sex-LOL> squirrel is neither, its a trannie
1256[13:03:00] <petn-randall> !ops Several nicks trolling in here.
1257[13:03:00] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: petn-randall complains about: Several nicks trolling in here.
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1308[13:32:24] <tdn> Duplicity is using 100 % CPU and I have --no-encryption. What can be the bottleneck here and how to speed it up? It is the actual duplicity python script that is using 100 % CPU. Throughput is only about 30 mb/s on average while the storage can easily do 1-200 mb/s
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1314[13:33:02] <slunatecqo> Hi - please send me to another IRC channel if this question does should not be here. I am trying to set up a NFS server. I set up a server, and when I do showmount -e 172.17.0.5 (where the ip is a ip of container), i get /exports/share1 (which is my export). But when I do mount -vvv -t nfs -o proto=tcp,port=2049 172.17.0.5:/exports/share1 /mnt/ on my test server, it just thinks and thinks forever... Any ideas?
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1330[13:40:26] <dgriffi> would submitting a diff to coreutils to debian bug reports suffice for getting a diff applied to the coreutils git repo at git://git.sv.gnu.org/coreutils.git
1331[13:40:29] <dgriffi> ?
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1345[13:50:48] <Guest70259> hello. I just completed a clean install of Debian 8.0. I selected encrypted LVM, but now during boot there seems to be an initramfs that does not include driver for me keyboard. As a result I cannot enter the password to decrypt the filesystem
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1348[13:51:28] <Jubei> so the question is, how can I include some keyboard module in that iniramfs
1349[13:51:43] <Jubei> so that my usb keyboard is recognized and I can decrypt the hard disk
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1351[13:51:48] <Jubei> and boot
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1354[13:53:39] <petn-randall> Guest98038: There are two ways around this: 1) enable "legacy USB keyboard" or something similar in your BIOS 2) Add the relevant USB modules to /etc/modules and run 'update-initramfs -k all -u'.
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1356[13:54:17] <Jubei> petn-randall : thank you for the help! The problem is that I did a net-install and now I don't have any media to boot and edit files.
1357[13:54:53] <petn-randall> Jubei: The netinst should have a recovery mode installed.
1358[13:55:09] <Jubei> petn-randall : ah yes I think it does. I'll investigate. Thank you!
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1360[13:55:10] <petn-randall> ehm, not installed, but as a menu option when you boot from it.
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1363[13:55:37] <petn-randall> Jubei: Option 1 might be easier to fix your system with option 2)
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1375[13:58:35] <Jubei> petn-randall: doesn't seem to be such an option on my BIOS :(
1376[13:58:49] <LOL-sex-LOL> pussy
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1378[14:00:07] <petn-randall> Jubei: It might be called "legacy input" or "usb compat" or something similar.
1379[14:00:13] <LOL-sex-LOL> LOL pussy cunt niggers
1380[14:00:31] <LOL-sex-LOL> .
1381[14:00:31] <LOL-sex-LOL> .
1382[14:00:32] <LOL-sex-LOL> .
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1389[14:04:43] <uniqdom> Hello. I have created a systemd service to run my script. in the service file I have this: ExecStart=/usr/bin/systemd-cat /usr/bin/python /root/2tides-relay.py. I'm using systemd-cat to log to the journal, but I can't see any of the messages printed to stdout by my script in the journal. But when my script misbehaves and abort because an exception occurs, then all of the messages are printed in the journal.
1390[14:05:23] <uniqdom> is there a way to print the messages to the journal at the time they occur?
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1392[14:06:27] <petn-randall> uniqdom: I don't think you need systemd-cat, everything going to STDERR/STDOUT automatically go to the journal.
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1395[14:07:05] <uniqdom> I will try removing systemd-cat from the service exec line
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1400[14:09:23] <uniqdom> petn-randall: looks like it doesn't work
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1402[14:09:32] <mr> hi
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1404[14:10:11] <mr> gays
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1408[14:11:18] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
1409[14:11:53] <petn-randall> uniqdom: Are you looking it up with 'journalctl -u <service>'?
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1411[14:12:08] <uniqdom> journalctl -f -u
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1415[14:13:08] <uniqdom> petn-randall wait a second... it is working, but it takes time to flush the data to the journal.
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1417[14:13:27] <uniqdom> is there any way to flush it earlier?
1418[14:14:08] <uniqdom> sorry... I don't know if flush is the right word.
1419[14:14:16] <petn-randall> uniqdom: By default STDOUT is buffered, and STDERR is not. Your app might need to flush STDOUT manually.
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1423[14:18:08] <uniqdom> petn-randall: thanks a lot. It's working now :)
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1426[14:19:54] <petn-randall> uniqdom: You're welcome!
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1432[14:23:30] <dgriffi> petn-randall: does your nick intentionally have anything to do with explosives?
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1439[14:25:10] <petn-randall> dgriffi: Maybe. Maybe not. I might want to fly to the US some time in the future.
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1459[14:35:55] <mmayorga_> I want to create a debian package with windows binaries, crazy? it might be, but I need to have development libraries to build sw for windows in linux. I want to do something like: apt source libssl-dev, then dpkg-buildpackage (but I need it to use x86_64-w64-mingw32 toolset , any clue of how this is done?
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1464[14:38:01] <dgriffi> mmayorga_: what advantage would this provide?
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1466[14:38:54] <mmayorga_> it will install openssl.dll in the system
1467[14:39:00] <mmayorga_> would
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1479[14:45:07] <Coolpig> Debian 7 or debian 8 better?
1480[14:46:08] <mmayorga_> I am using debian 9 and 8.7
1481[14:46:34] <dgriffi> debian 9 has some nits bothering me... primarily having to do with MATE
1482[14:47:02] <BluesKaj> Coolpig, depends on your machine and hardware
1483[14:47:23] <dgriffi> mmayorga_: there shouldn't be anything particularly odious with what you're trying to do with putting windows binaries in a deb.
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1485[14:47:44] <Coolpig> I am running a test on 128 mb ram with debian 7
1486[14:47:51] <dgriffi> mmayorga_: the deb would just put the files where you want and the software inside would have to deal with it
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1489[14:48:10] <Coolpig> Woukd like to know if debian 8 can run on 128 mb ram
1490[14:48:25] <dgriffi> Coolpig: barely
1491[14:48:32] <BluesKaj> Coolpig, doubt it
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1493[14:48:44] <dgriffi> Coolpig: 9 will not even install
1494[14:48:44] <Coolpig> Woukd systemd eat more ram
1495[14:48:54] <dgriffi> Coolpig: most certainly it will
1496[14:49:12] <mmayorga_> dgriffi: my question is mostly if dpkg has some standard way to do it (e.g. an env var) without having to bother of editing the deb directory
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1498[14:50:15] <dgriffi> mmayorga_: let me get this straight... you're using a Linux program to load a Windows library to do something special?
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1500[14:50:55] <mmayorga_> I am using a linux system to build a program for windows that depends on libssl
1501[14:51:05] <Coolpig> Hmm thanks will stick with debian 7 wish things dont change so we could run on low powered systems
1502[14:51:53] <dgriffi> Coolpig: you might find netbsd a better fit for that machine... or some other linux distro designed for low-spec machinery
1503[14:52:15] <Coolpig> Probably with upgrade to 8 at some stage and remove systemd
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1505[14:53:10] <dgriffi> mmayorga_: I don't see any problem
1506[14:53:11] <Coolpig> Thanks but I am using a vps with openvz and so only linux is supported
1507[14:53:27] <dgriffi> Coolpig: so some other linux distro would be in order
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1509[14:54:48] <Coolpig> Kind of like debian since I heard it does not use much memory but maybe I need to look at other distros thanks
1510[14:55:13] <dgriffi> Coolpig: I seem to recall a Debian-ish fork that would be suited for your application
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1512[14:55:40] <crash_> dgriffi: what kind of problems do you have under debian 9 and mate? mate and debian 9 seems perfect here for me running it since february.
1513[14:55:54] <Coolpig> Could you please let me know the name
1514[14:55:56] <dgriffi> crash_: minor though aesthetically jarring
1515[14:56:00] <kikitehkitty> Coolpig: #bunsellabs ?
1516[14:56:09] <crash_> dgriffi: ok
1517[14:56:17] <Coolpig> Just want to run a small web and mail server for now
1518[14:56:18] <kikitehkitty> Ill try that again #bunsenlabs
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1520[14:57:00] <Coolpig> Ok thankseveryone will check bunsenlabs
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1523[14:57:59] <dgriffi> crash_: for instance... it's no longer possible to tweak the window dressing colors in Appearance Preferences.
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1526[14:58:19] <dgriffi> crash_: this is due to a fundamental change in GTK3 versus GTK2 over how theming is accomplished.
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1529[14:58:49] <dgriffi> crash_: it was justified to me as GTK2 was injecting random data into programs... which shouldn't be done from a security perspective
1530[14:59:08] <dgriffi> crash_: it's done in a CSS way now.... and it isn't clear how that can be altered on the fly yet...
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1532[14:59:18] <dgriffi> crash_: though I did it in a very sloppy way using sed.
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1536[15:00:09] <dgriffi> crash_: the other major nit is that the workplace switcher has a line of pixels at its very top that is nonresponsive.
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1542[15:00:55] <dgriffi> crash_: this irritates me because I've always accessed workspaces by jamming the mouse up against the top of the screen. When I do this, the workspace I select flickers between active and not active.
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1544[15:01:24] <crash_> dgriffi: i did not know this at all actually, thanks for the explanation. and i can see why you are a bit irritated with it as well
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1546[15:01:29] <dgriffi> crash_: so I'm trying to figure out how I can install MATE 1.18 instead of 1.16 (which is installed by Stretch)
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1548[15:02:10] <crash_> it's a bummer 1.18 is out and stretch is stuck with 1.16
1549[15:02:43] <dgriffi> crash_: replaced-url
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1554[15:04:17] <dgriffi> crash_: and replaced-url
1555[15:04:49] <dgriffi> crash_: on a positive note, it seems easy to banish Systemd on Stretch
1556[15:05:19] <BluesKaj> dgriffi, how so?
1557[15:05:33] <dgriffi> BluesKaj: banishing systemd?
1558[15:05:37] <BluesKaj> yes
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1560[15:05:57] <mmayorga_> dgriffi: the problem is how to tell dpkg-buildpackage to use the mingw toolchain
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1562[15:06:12] <dgriffi> BluesKaj: replaced-url
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1566[15:06:39] <dgriffi> mmayorga_: Sorry, but I don't know anything more on that subject
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1568[15:06:48] <crash_> that was very simple steps to remove systemd
1569[15:07:27] <dgriffi> I did it on a system that I'm grooming to be put into production
1570[15:07:34] <dgriffi> so far so good
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1572[15:07:52] <BluesKaj> dgriffi, thanks, going to test that
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1576[15:08:20] <crash_> yeah i will test that as well
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1579[15:09:16] <dgriffi> mind you I did this on a fresh machine
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1582[15:09:32] <dgriffi> I wouldn't try this on a machine that has already had stuff done to it.
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1586[15:10:16] <dgriffi> the debian installer needs an option to choose the kind of init at install time
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1588[15:10:48] <crash_> yeah i will test it on a fresh machine not this that is running :)
1589[15:11:52] <dgriffi> I've been experimenting with preseed.cfg settings to automatically configure the system for sysvinit
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1591[15:12:41] <crash_> nice
1592[15:12:51] <dgriffi> something like "d-i preseed/late-command string in-target apt-get install -y sysvinit-core"
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1594[15:13:27] <dgriffi> and then some more commands to lock APT in place re not installing systemd crap
1595[15:14:14] <dgriffi> replaced-url
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1602[15:15:34] <Drzacek> Hello
1603[15:15:48] <Drzacek> I have problem booting to my system :D
1604[15:16:14] <dgriffi> please elaborate
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1606[15:16:36] <Drzacek> Looks like something has borked network interface because it is stuck on step "configuring network interfaces...ifup:waiting for lock on /run/network/ifstate.eth0"
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1612[15:17:28] <Drzacek> but thats during sysvinit boot, I can check sysmted boot in grub, then it only waits 5 minutes 9 seconds and finaly boots - but no network then
1613[15:17:40] <dgriffi> Drzacek: did you try to install another network managing application? I sometimes like wicd instead of network-manager
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1615[15:17:52] <Drzacek> no
1616[15:17:58] <dgriffi> if I have both installed, they'll fight and give me the results you're describing
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1619[15:18:28] <Drzacek> not sure what went wrong
1620[15:18:35] <dgriffi> Drzacek: hmm... sorry. I don't know.
1621[15:18:55] <Drzacek> my suspicion is that it didn't closed cleanly and some files are broken
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1623[15:21:12] <turlutton> Hi there. Goal: playing music on my portable bluetooth speaker (JBL charge 3) from Debian. It seems my laptop and the speaker are paired, (but the type of the type is not defined). Should I be able to set the sound play with the speaker with alsa or something else ? Should I do anything special to make the laptop know the pairing is with a speaker? Any directions or ressources much appreciated.
1624[15:21:56] <turlutton> s/type/peripherical device/
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1656[15:34:46] <turlutton> Found the right ressource replaced-url
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1742[16:23:58] <[sym]andrew> hey folks
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1748[16:24:34] <[sym]andrew> does anyone know a magical incantation for making 'debuild' spit out packages in the same directory you invoke it from, instead of the parent directory?
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1753[16:26:03] <jelly> [sym]andrew: you think there _is_ one?
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1756[16:27:46] <[sym]andrew> i hope there is one
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1761[16:28:46] <jelly> debuild probably relieson dpkg-buildpackage for that behaviour, and it makes very little sense for dpkg-buildpackage to pollute the source tree with binary .deb results
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1763[16:29:26] <jelly> so make an extra directorty if you have to, I guess
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1765[16:29:55] <[sym]andrew> my debian directory is inside my source tree
1766[16:30:01] <[sym]andrew> checked in from git
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1771[16:32:43] <[sym]andrew> so i'd need git-root/dummy/debian and cd in to dummy
1772[16:33:29] <[sym]andrew> which seems dumb
1773[16:33:47] <[sym]andrew> right now debuild is putting our debs outside of our jenkins workspace
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1819[16:56:47] <uniqdom> Hello... where I can see old messages of journal (systemd)?
1820[16:57:06] <uniqdom> are those in /var/log/*?
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1825[16:57:57] <jelly> uniqdom: they are only persistent if you create /var/log/journald
1826[16:58:04] <jelly> directory
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1832[16:59:18] <jelly> uniqdom: sorry, /var/log/journal without d
1833[16:59:43] <uniqdom> jelly: ok... should I restart a service, or reboot?
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1891[17:20:25] <muhlas> Hi all is it possible to get more options on file roller except the default 3? I already have install rar/unrar and I can use it from command line but I can't see it as option when I'm right click compress
1892[17:20:52] <spacebug^> Can anyone recommend a AMD graphic card that uses open source drivers and has a performace >= greater than NVIDIA GTX 960?
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1895[17:21:09] <set10> hi
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1899[17:22:33] <set10> any email server expert here?
1900[17:22:53] <coke> meta question
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1902[17:23:03] <set10> ?
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1906[17:23:28] <coke> the answer is yes but they wont come out of the woodwork before you aks a real question
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1910[17:24:32] <set10> so i read on the internet that proper email server must have reverse dns entry. i plan to host many domains one one ip. how to make sure my server is not marked as spam-server?
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1919[17:27:04] <set10> reverse dns is per ip, right?
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1921[17:27:43] <muhlas> set10, have you asked the hosting isp?
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1928[17:29:45] <jhutchins_wk> set10: It is possible to have multi-host reverse DNS. It doesn't always work, but it's possible.
1929[17:30:08] <lolopolosko> If I add some packages to CONTROL file as Recommends would my package be installed if apt-get not found this packages in repositories?
1930[17:30:17] <set10> but is reverse-dns really a nessesity?
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1932[17:30:41] <set10> i haven't got hosting provider yet. i'm working on a project which includes email-boxes for users. now trying to work out how to deliver that
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1935[17:30:56] <jhutchins_wk> set10: It's not really a requirement, but some servers will block you if it doesn't match, others will flag you.
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1938[17:32:22] <set10> i suppose the most important thing is not to get on any blacklists.
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1940[17:32:28] <blackflow> set10: mailing without an rdns won't get you far.
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1944[17:34:08] <set10> other possibility is to send from one domain and set reply-address as users mail@domain
1945[17:34:30] <set10> but will other email providers (receiver) will respect that?
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1948[17:36:01] <jhutchins_wk> blackflow: Because multihost is common, and because it's also common that the host name doesn't match the email domain name (AOL, Google, Yahoo, MS, etc.) a good system will only ask that there be A RDNS entry.
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1951[17:36:31] <jhutchins_wk> set10: Yes, avoiding the blacklists is key, so you need to find the most common ones and see what they flag.
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1953[17:37:32] <jhutchins_wk> set10: Usually there's a small set of lists that an operator will block on, and a larger set that they will assign scores for. A good system (like spamassassin) will add up scores for various things and only block the mail if the score adds up too high.
1954[17:38:06] <jhutchins_wk> set10: You need to keep up with what's happening with the lists for the sake of your inbound filtering as well.
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1956[17:38:23] <set10> lack of rdns will get me pretty high score
1957[17:38:46] <jhutchins_wk> set10: If there is NO rdns then yes, that will get a high score.
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1959[17:39:12] <set10> does rdns needs to match domain?
1960[17:39:23] <jhutchins_wk> set10: See my comments above.
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1962[17:40:20] <blackflow> jhutchins_wk: yes, that's what I said. it doesn't have to match forward, just that the connecting IP has to have a rdns
1963[17:40:23] <jhutchins_wk> set10: The best test is to get the RDNS, then see if the DNS for that hostname matches the IP.
1964[17:41:49] <set10> okay big thanks
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1966[17:42:37] <muhlas> Hi all is it possible to get more options on file roller except the default 3? I already have install rar/unrar and I can use it from command line but I can't see it as option when I'm right click compress
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1968[17:43:04] <jhutchins_wk> set10: Mail servers are hard, read everything you can find.
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1970[17:44:59] <coke> and then you will be getting spam and working on new sa rules for the rest of your life
1971[17:45:09] <coke> or pay someone to do it
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1979[17:49:13] <jhutchins_wk> muhlas: Being gnome, there isn't much documentation. There is a comment that you may need to install other programs to handle other formats, but nothing about how to make File Roller aware of them. Installing them and restarting Gnome might be enough.
1980[17:49:28] <jhutchins_wk> !gnome
1981[17:49:28] <dpkg> GNOME is a Desktop Environment ("DE", so are <KDE> and <XFCE>) based on GTK+. To get or delete GNOME, ask me about <install gnome> or <remove gnome> respectively. See also <gnome status>. replaced-url
1982[17:49:41] <crash_> !mate
1983[17:49:41] <dpkg> The MATE Desktop Environment is a fork of GNOME 2, available since Debian 8 "Jessie" (and also in wheezy-backports). To install, ask me about <install mate>. replaced-url
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1987[17:51:29] <blackflow> coke: the problem is not receiving spam (in fact, greylisting + rdns block filter out vast majority of it), the problem is in major players like gmail frequently throwing your mail into Junkbox for no apparent reason.
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1998[17:56:43] <jhutchins_wk> coke: I never had to write new spamassassin rules, greylisting, a sensible choice of blacklists (mostly for scoring), and beysian training did as good a job as I've seen anywhere.
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2005[18:00:12] <jhutchins_wk> blackflow: That happens to mail FROM the "major players" as well. email is imperfect.
2006[18:00:56] <jhutchins_wk> I have a friend who's email from her ipad always goes into spam, although mail from the same account on her desktop or phone goes through fine.
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2017[18:04:53] <coke> english has better rule coverage than other languages
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2019[18:05:39] <coke> and yea you cant run out of a bad AS or without PTR if you want to send to big players
2020[18:05:54] <coke> aIM will help a lot
2021[18:05:58] <coke> DKIM*
2022[18:06:55] <blackflow> jhutchins_wk: yeah, and google seems to have changed the game recently. before we'd get once a month blocked for a while by having the mail rejected at the connection phase, and now that doesn' thappen, it just ends up in recipients spambox from time to time.
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2027[18:07:57] <blackflow> and it's all business transactional mail, no spamming, the outbound volume is very low, less than 10 mails per minute, we have rdns, dkim, dmarc, spf, the whole shebang, and are clear on all the RBLs monitored by mxtoolbox.
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2029[18:08:18] <coke> i think gmail has been doing that for a while
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2031[18:08:33] <blackflow> I started noticing it late December
2032[18:08:42] <coke> when we get used as outgoing spam by phished accounts only yahoo rejects mails
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2035[18:09:07] <coke> used to*
2036[18:09:23] <blackflow> I do occasionally have to combat with "enterprise" systems who all seem to be using very much outdated Symantec something-something spam somethihng-service
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2039[18:09:42] <coke> apple rejects if you make it on the wrong rbl
2040[18:10:25] <blackflow> never had our IPs RBL'd, except that Symantec thing and that's before we even got the IP address few years ago. that's what I meant by outdated.
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2053[18:14:47] <mi11k1> how can I mv multiple files with the same extension that i found using mlocate? so I did mlocate *.iso
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2080[18:24:10] <coke> mi11k1: man xargs
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2084[18:25:20] <jhutchins_wk> mi11k1: You can use find.
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2088[18:28:15] <mi11k1> jhutchins_wk, thanks
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2106[18:35:25] <acresearch> hello people, i just installed debian for the first time on a macbook pro 2011, 8,1 i think it is, the wifi and SD card does not work, what are the firmwares? is there a way to install them automatically from the graphical installation?
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2112[18:37:50] <jhutchins_wk> acresearch: You need to determine the chipset for the wifi, then figure out what it needs. Usually it's just a package install, which is easy to do from the CLI.
2113[18:37:54] <jhutchins_wk> !macbook
2114[18:37:54] <dpkg> rumour has it, macbook is replaced-url
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2116[18:38:41] <jhutchins_wk> acresearch: As far as the card reader goes, they're not very standard, but you should find something on the wiki.
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2118[18:39:05] <acresearch> jhutchins_wk: ok i'll give it a read
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2131[18:41:51] <Joel> any way to not run pre/post install scripts when installing a package? I was thinking this was what the --no-triggers was for, but doesn't seem to be the case
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2144[18:43:53] <acresearch> jhutchins_wk: the wiki says Broadcom 4322 chipset
2145[18:44:03] <acresearch> all macbook pros after 2008 have Broadcom 4322 chipset
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2153[18:45:45] <acresearch> jhutchins_wk: no i think it is this: replaced-url
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2163[18:48:44] <tharkun> There is a way to obtain the status of cups using the systemd interface on a headless server. Which is it?
2164[18:49:48] <jhutchins_wk> !broadcom
2165[18:49:48] <dpkg> Broadcom Corporation is an integrated circuits supplier. For wireless LAN chipset drivers, ask me about <b43>, <brcmsmac>, <rndis_wlan>, <wl>. For Ethernet controller support, ask me about <bnx2>, <bnx2x>, <tg3>.
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2167[18:49:56] <jhutchins_wk> !bcm4322
2168[18:49:56] <dpkg> The Broadcom BCM4322 (PCI IDs 14e4:432b, 14e4:432c, 14e4:432d) - incorrectly identified as BCM432B, BCM432C or BCM432D by Broadcom's proprietary driver - is a draft 802.11n wireless LAN chip. Supported by the <b43> driver since Linux 2.6.38. Alternatively supported by the <wl> driver. Not to be confused with the <bcm43224> or <bcm43225>.
2169[18:50:41] <jhutchins_wk> !bcm4331
2170[18:50:41] <dpkg> The Broadcom BCM4331 is a PCIe 802.11n wireless LAN chip using a HT PHY (PCI ID 14e4:4331). Supported by the <b43> driver since Linux 3.2. It is alternatively supported by Broadcom's proprietary driver since version 6.30.223.126 (packaged for Debian 8 "Jessie" as broadcom-sta).
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2174[18:51:14] <acresearch> jhutchins_wk: so i just apt-get install broadcom-sta?
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2176[18:51:20] <jhutchins_wk> acresearch: So it should be working with the b43, and it doesn't say anything about firmware.
2177[18:51:54] <jhutchins_wk> acresearch: dmesg | less, search for relevant things like bcm and wireless.
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2180[18:52:16] <acresearch> jhutchins_wk: search where? in the wiki?
2181[18:52:19] <blackflow> tharkun: systemctl status cups.service ?
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2186[18:53:54] <tharkun> blackflow: bingo thanks. Got me this line out of it. io/hpmud/musb.c 1145: unable to open hp:/usb/HP_LaserJet_P1006?serial=AB0PR2Z How do I fix it? It was working fine two hours ago.
2187[18:54:11] <jhutchins_wk> acresearch: In a console, as root, do dmesg | less. It's the kernel log, it will have the lines from when the kernel detected and tried to load the wifi.
2188[18:54:31] <acresearch> jhutchins_wk: oh ok
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2191[18:54:48] <acresearch> jhutchins_wk: what would the line look like? is there a spesific pattern?
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2195[18:55:30] <acresearch> jhutchins_wk: i found this: [ 4.379742] bcma: bus0: Found chip with id 0x4331, rev 0x02 and package 0x09
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2210[18:58:09] <jhutchins_wk> acresearch: Anything near there mention firmware?
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2212[18:58:32] <acresearch> jhutchins_wk: this is the only line that has 4331 in it.
2213[18:58:43] <jhutchins_wk> ,v firmware-b43-installer
2214[18:58:44] <judd> Package: firmware-b43-installer on amd64 -- wheezy/contrib: 1:015-14.1; jessie/contrib: 1:019-2; sid/contrib: 1:019-3; stretch/contrib: 1:019-3
2215[18:59:23] <jhutchins_wk> acresearch: Right, there would be something about firmware in a line near that.
2216[18:59:31] <acresearch> jhutchins_wk: ok i'll paste it
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2220[18:59:52] <acresearch> jhutchins_wk: replaced-url
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2223[19:00:03] <jhutchins_wk> acresearch: See package identified by judd above.
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2225[19:00:43] <acresearch> so then i just run apt-get install firmware-b43-installer?
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2227[19:01:18] <jhutchins_wk> acresearch: That would be the first step.
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2229[19:01:37] <acresearch> what comes after it? is there a setup step or anything else?
2230[19:01:45] <jhutchins_wk> acresearch: I have no idea.
2231[19:01:59] <acresearch> ok i will install it and come back to confirm :-)
2232[19:02:34] <acresearch> jhutchins_wk: unable to locate pachage
2233[19:02:37] <acresearch> jhutchins_wk: unable to locate package
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2237[19:04:24] <jhutchins_wk> acresearch: Note that the message says /contrib - you need to add "contrib non-free" to the deb lines in /etc/apt/sources.list, after the word "main", then apt update.
2238[19:04:58] <acresearch> jhutchins_wk: sorry i am confused, what would the terminal command be?
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2241[19:05:46] <jhutchins_wk> acresearch: /etc/apt/sources.list is a text file, open it with an editor (as root) - "edit /etc/apt/sources.lost"
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2245[19:06:49] <acresearch> jhutchins_wk: ok opened it, what should i change?
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2248[19:07:30] <jhutchins_wk> acresearch: As I said, add the words "contrib non-free" after "main" on the deb lines.
2249[19:07:46] <acresearch> jhutchins_wk: ok
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2251[19:08:20] <jhutchins_wk> no quotes
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2254[19:08:53] <acresearch> jhutchins_wk: all lines end with the word main, so i add contrib non-free after each line?
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2256[19:09:11] <jhutchins_wk> Yes.
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2258[19:09:16] <jelly> acresearch: all the debian.org repos sure
2259[19:09:24] <acresearch> ok
2260[19:09:28] <jhutchins_wk> acresearch: On the same line, not after.
2261[19:09:45] <acresearch> jhutchins_wk: yes i meant after the word main on the same line...
2262[19:09:47] <acresearch> ok
2263[19:10:07] * jelly offers jhutchins_wk the verb append
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2265[19:10:25] <acresearch> jhutchins_wk: ok done
2266[19:10:32] <jhutchins_wk> jelly: An excelent verb.
2267[19:10:44] <jhutchins_wk> jelly: What's the default editor? I appear to have already set mine to vi.
2268[19:10:57] <acresearch> now i run apt-get install firmware-b43-installer?
2269[19:10:58] <jelly> probably nano
2270[19:11:20] <jhutchins_wk> acresearch: apt update first to retrieve the new filelist. Watch for errors.
2271[19:11:27] <acresearch> ok
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2279[19:14:02] <acresearch> jhutchins_wk: ok instaled will restart
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2285[19:16:08] <jhutchins_wk> I'm a little surprised we don't have a firmware package for it.
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2287[19:16:56] <acresearch> jhutchins: it works :-)
2288[19:17:06] <jhutchins_wk> xlnt!
2289[19:17:14] <acresearch> now the SD card firmware
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2293[19:17:28] <acresearch> let me retrace my steps
2294[19:17:34] <jhutchins_wk> That one you're on your own, but you should be able to find something on those pages.
2295[19:17:43] <acresearch> ok :-)
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2303[19:22:05] <jelly> some software and firmware is unredistributable, which is why you get download or installer or cutter scripts
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2321[19:30:27] <jhutchins_wk> jelly: Sometimes it's just a matter of the docs not being up to date.
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2334[19:36:38] <jim> hi... having trouble getting cups web ui going...
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2336[19:36:42] <jim> oops brb
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2381[19:51:28] <jim> are there packages I might be missing to get cups web ui working? it keeps saying "bad request" when I point firefox to that.machine:631, and I presently have it opened up to "Allow all"
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2385[19:52:22] <bin_bash> are you trying to connect on the same local network, or externally
2386[19:52:26] <jelly> jim: does replaced-url
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2389[19:53:09] <bin_bash> ^was just about to ask that next
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2392[19:54:19] <Pr0metheus> I switched to XFCE and now whenever Remote Desktop, Web and other apps start show a %U as an argument, e.g, Remote desktop says "connection to host %U was closed". Any idea what can be causing this? I haven't found anything over the web
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2404[19:58:52] <jhutchins_wk> Pr0metheus: Which release?
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2407[19:59:40] <jim> jelly, umm, dunno, I'll check
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2414[20:02:29] <Pr0metheus> jhutchins_wk 4.12
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2416[20:02:58] <jim> jelly, it seems to work (the acceptance test: I ssh -X theremote, then firefox localhost:631, and I got the page
2417[20:03:05] <jim> )
2418[20:03:19] <bin_bash> jim: and youre on the same network, im assuming?
2419[20:03:29] <jim> yep
2420[20:03:42] <bin_bash> and when you say that.machine, are you using the hostname or the IP address
2421[20:03:45] <jim> I just replaced a router
2422[20:03:52] <jim> yesterday
2423[20:04:11] <jim> mostly hostname
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2426[20:04:42] <bin_bash> try the IP address
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2428[20:05:12] <jelly> jim: alright then, so it works and it's really an access permission issue
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2430[20:05:44] <jim> hmm that's odd... when I try the numeric IP, it works
2431[20:05:47] <bin_bash> jim: if the IP address works, try adding "ServerAlias hostname" to cupsd.conf
2432[20:05:56] <bin_bash> where hostname is the hostname of that machine
2433[20:06:37] <bin_bash> and then restart cups and try again
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2437[20:07:43] <jim> one sec, let me check resolv.conf
2438[20:08:28] <bin_bash> jim: actually it's working as it's expected to
2439[20:08:44] <bin_bash> you need to add the ServerAlias to your cupsd.conf file in order to use hostnames
2440[20:08:45] <jhutchins_wk> He replaced the router that was presumably supplying DHCP, the new one had no cache so ip addresses have changed. host file entries may now be invalid.
2441[20:09:06] <jhutchins_wk> bin_bash: DNS won't do it?
2442[20:09:18] <bin_bash> jhutchins_wk: no
2443[20:09:25] <bin_bash> replaced-url
2444[20:09:32] <bin_bash> this is the redhat bug report, but it;s the same thing
2445[20:10:11] <jelly> tiny wee embedded apache
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2455[20:14:26] <jim> now I have a very different problem... apt-cacher-ng isn't installed, and I have the cache set... which file is that in?
2456[20:14:52] <jim> (so I can't install packages atm)
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2460[20:15:30] <acresearch> jhutchins: i tried, i could not, i can't find the package name
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2464[20:17:35] <jhutchins_wk> acresearch: What package?
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2468[20:18:09] <acresearch> jhutchins_wk: for this: 02:00.1 SD Host controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM57765/57785 SDXC/MMC Card Reader (rev 10)
2469[20:18:32] <jhutchins_wk> It may not be a simple package.
2470[20:18:37] <bin_bash> acresearch: are you trying to find the driver? what "package"
2471[20:18:41] <bin_bash> are you trying to find?
2472[20:18:45] <bin_bash> s/driver/kernel module
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2474[20:18:51] <jhutchins_wk> Searches I did indicated it just worked, unless the laptop suspended, then it would fail.
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2477[20:19:12] <jhutchins_wk> acresearch: Do lspci -nn and paste the 8 char ID.
2478[20:19:30] <jelly> [....:....]
2479[20:19:52] <acresearch> jhutchins_wk: you mean this? 14e4:16bc
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2481[20:20:21] <jhutchins_wk> ,pciid 14e4:16bc
2482[20:20:22] <judd> [14e4:16bc] is 'BCM57765/57785 SDXC/MMC Card Reader' from 'Broadcom Limited' with no known kernel module in jessie or in sid. See also replaced-url
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2486[20:21:13] <jelly> judd is being silly.
2487[20:21:14] <jhutchins_wk> acresearch: There would appear to be no "in Debian" solution. I googled "macbook pro sd card linux" and got some discussion showing that it worked in some distros.
2488[20:21:15] <jelly> /lib/modules/4.9.0-0.bpo.2-amd64/modules.alias:alias pci:v000014E4d00004365sv00001028sd00000016bc*sc*i* bcma
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2491[20:21:40] <jelly> or not
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2493[20:22:22] <jelly> :16bc really isn't supported there yet
2494[20:22:39] <jelly> (my grep was not grepping the right thing)
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2496[20:23:03] <acresearch> jelly: jhutchins_wk hmmm, i did google as well and also found that is should work, but when i connect my card it does not. on the same laptop when i install MacOS the SD card works, so i know it is working but debian cannot identify it
2497[20:23:47] <jim> found that the cache setting is in apt.conf
2498[20:23:55] <jhutchins_wk> acresearch: I have not had Linux work with a laptop SD card reader yet.
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2501[20:24:25] <acresearch> jhutchins_wk: oh
2502[20:24:30] <jelly> acresearch: there appears to be no driver in linux kernel for it, at least not any linux version provided by debian
2503[20:24:40] <acresearch> jelly: oh
2504[20:25:09] <acresearch> jelly: jhutchins_wk ok, then there is nothing i can, i appriciate your help guys :-)
2505[20:25:34] <jelly> try doing a web search for 14e4:16bc linux and see if there's anything useful
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2507[20:25:44] <acresearch> jelly: 0k
2508[20:26:11] <jhutchins_wk> It may be supported by xhci_hcd
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2510[20:26:59] <jhutchins_wk> This arch page suggests that in proposing a fix for some 3.18 kernels: replaced-url
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2512[20:27:23] <dutchfish> acresearch, i dont know if that is of any help, but someone posted patch in there, should be in newer kernels replaced-url
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2515[20:28:33] <jelly> then it has to be newer than 4.9.13 and 4.10.7
2516[20:28:49] <acresearch> dutchfish: how can i check which kernel do i have?
2517[20:28:58] <dutchfish> acresearch, uname -a
2518[20:29:01] <jelly> because it's not in stretch or experimental kernels
2519[20:29:10] <dutchfish> jelly, ah ok
2520[20:29:49] <acresearch> my kernel is 3.16.0?
2521[20:30:00] <acresearch> i installed debian 8.7 3 hours aog
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2523[20:30:12] <jhutchins_wk> ,kernels
2524[20:30:14] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.10.0-rc6-686-pae (4.10~rc6-1~exp2); sid: 4.9.0-2-686 (4.9.18-1); stretch: 4.9.0-2-686 (4.9.18-1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (4.9.13-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.86-1)
2525[20:30:20] <han-solo> which is the best commandline recovery tool?
2526[20:30:23] <Voldenet> 3.16 is ancient
2527[20:30:24] <jelly> acresearch: it's proably 3.16.39 based
2528[20:30:34] <dutchfish> yes, 3.16.39-1
2529[20:30:35] <acresearch> jelly: you are right
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2531[20:30:36] <Voldenet> stable, but ancient
2532[20:30:46] <jelly> (look at the complete output that uname -a command)
2533[20:30:46] <Voldenet> maybe getting backports kernel would help
2534[20:30:56] <greycat> No, a univac is ancient.
2535[20:30:56] <acresearch> oh acient?
2536[20:30:59] <jelly> Voldenet: maybe not, we just looked there
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2538[20:31:09] <Voldenet> oh :(
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2541[20:31:38] <jhutchins_wk> jelly: The section of the arch page linked above suggests it's supported by a generic driver in 3.18+
2542[20:31:42] <jelly> backports port back from stretch
2543[20:31:56] <Devastator> dutchfish it seems this patch wasn't picked yet
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2546[20:32:39] <dutchfish> Devastator, mm... strange, its not that new
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2548[20:33:14] <acresearch> does this mean that debian 8.7 is not the latest version?
2549[20:33:33] <jelly> acresearch: it's latest alright
2550[20:33:36] <greycat> It is the latest stable.
2551[20:33:41] <acresearch> oh ok
2552[20:33:45] <dutchfish> acresearch, yes, it was the last released version, but there is also bpo and testing
2553[20:34:05] <jelly> just does not have latest versions of all the components, and linux kernel is just one component in a distro
2554[20:34:10] <acresearch> oh ok, no i would rather stick with the stable version
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2559[20:35:22] <dutchfish> muggeltongue
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2562[20:36:54] <dutchfish> sorry, that was not for this channel, my mistake.
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2564[20:37:43] <jim> resolvconf doesn't seem to be working right... when I put up the outgoing interface (gets its IP via dhcp), I have a nameserver defined, it puts that one into resolv.conf, but it also puts the dhcp gotten nameserver, and ignores my dns-search and dns-domain (I know it's deprecated, I tried it anyway)
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2568[20:39:45] <jim> my /etc/network/interfaces coming in a sec
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2575[20:41:32] <jim> one sec, trying something
2576[20:41:50] <jelly> !override dns
2577[20:41:50] <dpkg> To instruct dhclient to use your specified nameserver rather than the one given to you by your DHCP server, echo "supersede domain-name-servers a.b.c.d, e.f.g.h;" >> /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf, or see man 5 dhclient.conf for more information. Instead of supersede, you can also use "prepend" or "append" to add nameservers. Or remove domain-name-servers (etc.) from dhclient.conf if you prefer.
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2589[20:46:23] <r7st> hey guys, having the same problem is before. when i come home and boot up my laptop dhcp is up and i instantly connect to my home network wirelessly, but at any other location dhcp stays down and i can't get a connection
2590[20:46:32] <r7st> using wicd
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2592[20:47:53] <bin_bash> when you say dhcp is down what do you mean by that
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2594[20:48:01] <bin_bash> do you mean the daemon doesnt run?
2595[20:48:11] <jhutchins_wk> r7st: The only time I tried wicd it couldn't see my card, so I don't know how to troubleshoot it.
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2597[20:48:52] <jhutchins_wk> r7st: Do you have the other networks set up in wicd? Or are you expecting it to figure that out for you?
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2599[20:49:07] <r7st> bin_bash: well, i'm using i3wm and it gives a DHCP: yes/no on the status bar
2600[20:49:19] <r7st> jhutchins_wk: i set them up using wicd-client-gtk
2601[20:49:39] <bin_bash> um idk what that would be referencing, but i would guess it's referencing your connection and not dhcpd
2602[20:49:43] <r7st> i did this at home and it worked, and when i tried to connect anywhere else, even to an unsecured network, nothing
2603[20:49:50] <bin_bash> r7st: so is the problem that you don't auto-connect?
2604[20:49:53] <r7st> no
2605[20:49:54] <bin_bash> or you can't connect at all?
2606[20:49:59] <r7st> i can't connect at all
2607[20:50:07] <bin_bash> do you get an error?
2608[20:50:15] <r7st> except at home, even if i disconnect, forget the settings, and reconfigure it works at home
2609[20:50:28] <r7st> no error, just it just hangs
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2611[20:50:56] <r7st> services networking and wicd are running
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2614[20:51:51] <bin_bash> both of them?
2615[20:51:52] <r7st> not network-manager, and wpa_supplicant seems to be doing something. i'm definitely mixing things up a little
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2617[20:51:54] <jhutchins_wk> r7st: Does it show the networks?
2618[20:51:59] <bin_bash> someone correct me if i'm wrong, but don't they conflict?
2619[20:52:01] <r7st> bin_bash: yes
2620[20:52:08] <r7st> jhutchins_wk: yes they show fine
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2622[20:52:24] <bin_bash> r7st: have you tried uninstalling wicd and seeing if you still auto-connect
2623[20:52:30] <jhutchins_wk> bin_bash: NM and wicd would conflict, but he appears to not have NM installed or at least running.
2624[20:52:38] <jhutchins_wk> bin_bash: Besides, he can connect at home.
2625[20:52:38] <r7st> nm is installed but not running
2626[20:52:50] <bin_bash> hmm i thought the networking service was its own service that managed connections
2627[20:52:51] <jhutchins_wk> r7st: Which is fine.
2628[20:52:51] <r7st> i tried uninstalling wicd, and did not connect
2629[20:52:55] <bin_bash> ok
2630[20:53:02] <bin_bash> wicd is not fun to debug
2631[20:53:14] <r7st> i'm thinking of moving away from wicd
2632[20:53:15] <jhutchins_wk> bin_bash: No, it manages a broader range of things, network-manager handles connections.
2633[20:53:16] <bin_bash> i ended up switching from wicd to network manager
2634[20:53:22] <bin_bash> because i had so many probnlems with it
2635[20:53:22] <r7st> i've never had anything but trouble with wicd
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2637[20:53:46] <bin_bash> i switched to networkmansger tbh
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2639[20:53:49] * zykotick9 doesn't have much issues with his wicd-curses usage... i like it when travelling.
2640[20:53:56] <jhutchins_wk> Generally network-manager has been the better tools for a couple of releases now, wicd used to be better and still works better for some people.
2641[20:53:59] <bin_bash> i liek that it has a vpn built in too.
2642[20:54:05] <bin_bash> jhutchins_wk: yeah ive noticed that'
2643[20:54:19] <bin_bash> i used to swear by wicd but then at one point i "upgraded" and it just didnt work properly
2644[20:54:29] <r7st> maybe i should switch to network-manager?
2645[20:54:43] <jhutchins_wk> r7st: It's one option you could try.
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2647[20:55:16] <r7st> i think that might be a good idea, i know i'm probably doing something wrong, but i've also had tons of trouble with wicd in the past
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2656[20:57:09] <r7st> hm
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2658[20:57:22] <r7st> so i uninsitalled wicd, and nm started automatically for some reason
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2661[20:57:34] <bin_bash> you know
2662[20:57:40] <bin_bash> it wouldnt surprise me if they were conflicting
2663[20:57:44] <bin_bash> just being installed together
2664[20:57:56] <r7st> should i get rid of wpasupplicant?
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2666[20:58:17] <bin_bash> i dont think so
2667[20:59:05] <r7st> would that cause any conflicts?
2668[20:59:32] <jhutchins_wk> r7st: wpasupplicant handles wpa security.
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2670[20:59:45] <jhutchins_wk> r7st: Needed for either wicd or NM to work with wpa.
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2672[21:00:00] <r7st> oh ok
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2676[21:00:37] <jhutchins_wk> bin_bash: No, the only way you have a conflict with a non-running package is if you have a file with the same name and location that is actually different, like whatever provides "sendmail" with a mailer.
2677[21:01:42] <r7st> even killing network manager it seemed something was happening
2678[21:01:53] <r7st> i think removing wicd might have fixed it, but i can't test until i go back on campus
2679[21:02:12] <bin_bash> jhutchins_wk: yeahhh but nm does some weird dameon shit at start out
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2683[21:03:24] <jhutchins_wk> Well, again, it works with his home network, so we know that it works. It's just not working with the other networks.
2684[21:03:32] <jhutchins_wk> r7st: At what point does it fail?
2685[21:03:45] <bin_bash> yeah im just wondering if there's something fucky going on with competing shit.
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2687[21:04:12] <bin_bash> i vaguely remember havign a similar issue with wicd and nm on crunchbang forever ago
2688[21:04:24] <r7st> jhutchins_wk: just never connects to anything - i'm hoping removing wicd solved the problem
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2690[21:05:19] <jim> futzing with dhclient.conf
2691[21:05:42] <r7st> bin_bash: i mish crunchbang :(
2692[21:06:49] <r7st> i think the solution here is not to use wicd. even before i was stupidly using nm and wicd at the same time, i still had issues with wicd
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2703[21:11:43] <uniqdom> Hello... how can I restart automatically a service that has crashed (main process exited, code=exited, status=1/FAILURE) in systemd?
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2705[21:12:13] <uniqdom> in my service config file I have this line: "Restart=on-failure"
2706[21:12:18] <uniqdom> but it is not working
2707[21:12:27] <greycat> By default, most service definitions *will* restart their service...
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2709[21:12:36] <greycat> Mine has Restart=always
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2711[21:13:11] <uniqdom> I'm going to try with always
2712[21:13:41] <uniqdom> greycat: does it take some time to be restarted?
2713[21:13:54] <greycat> It shouldn't.
2714[21:14:09] <greycat> There's a RestartSec too....
2715[21:14:29] <greycat> "Defaults to 100ms" according to systemd.service(5)
2716[21:14:32] <uniqdom> I'm following the journal with "journalctl -f -u serviceName.service", but it is not being restarted
2717[21:15:01] <uniqdom> I don't have that line, so It should follow the default
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2720[21:15:51] <cyphix> Hello. When I try to set the volume of my mic with alsamixer, it keeps resetting to max position, so the sound is inaudible. Any idea why this happens?
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2727[21:23:19] <jhutchins_wk> If the reason it is not running is because it's broken, no amount of restarting it will help. Find out why it's not running.
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2729[21:23:36] <scratch> hi if i want to change ownership of a usb/hdd ntfs-3g do i just put an entry into fstab?
2730[21:23:49] <scratch> would be nice to ease into all this nicely
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2733[21:24:07] <jhutchins_wk> scratch: I believe that's still current.
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2735[21:24:50] <scratch> jhutchins_wk: you are a very kindly and gently soul thanks you my friend, i heard that some of the uid an gid come as a nummeric code?
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2737[21:24:55] <scratch> like is ther user map?
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2740[21:25:22] <scratch> or can i put replaced-url
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2742[21:25:39] <scratch> can i use the same hdd for more than one mountpoint?
2743[21:25:53] <greycat> You mean the same file system?
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2745[21:25:58] <jhutchins_wk> !user accessible ntfs
2746[21:25:58] <dpkg> To get an NTFS or VFAT file system accessible by users and groups on the local machine, man mount; man 5 fstab; and read about the umask, fmask, dmask, uid, and gid options. You'll end up sticking something like conv=auto,uid=<user>,gid=<group>,dmask=0002,fmask=0003 into your fstab's mount option field.
2747[21:25:59] <scratch> liek say i want a share for one thing and then a share for samba or somrthing
2748[21:26:09] <scratch> greycat: not sure i udnedrstand
2749[21:26:14] <greycat> scratch: you mean partitions? Yes, you can partition a hard drive.
2750[21:26:19] <jhutchins_wk> scratch: Not if it's auto-mounting. If you mount it manually, yes.
2751[21:26:20] <scratch> you mean same file system it is attached to?
2752[21:26:33] <greycat> scratch: your questions are super confusing.
2753[21:26:38] <scratch> i could manually mount it from a script
2754[21:26:44] <scratch> greycat i am sorry
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2756[21:26:55] <scratch> i will try to be better at this in the future thanks
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2760[21:27:56] <jhutchins_wk> scratch: File managers do tend to automount USB devices, sometimes you can turn that off. It would probably take the first entry in fstab in that case.
2761[21:28:08] <scratch> let me start my question anew: I have a debian computer, onto this debian computer i want to mount a hdd on start up. for my purposes it needs another user and group ownership then the current default...(hang on i cant type this fast)
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2766[21:28:52] <scratch> ... and in addition i want to use another part of the hdd to be mounted int ot the debian system at antoher moiunt point as another hdd
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2768[21:29:05] <scratch> basically i need two seperate areas with differing permissions
2769[21:29:05] <greycat> Is the USB disk all one big partition?
2770[21:29:14] <scratch> yes as of now
2771[21:29:15] <jhutchins_wk> scratch: Usually fstab entries are by device, so anything that shows as sr0 will get the settings for sr0 in fstab. If you need specific settings for a specific drive no matter where or when it's plugged in,use UUID.
2772[21:29:19] <greycat> Are you asking how to change that?
2773[21:29:19] <scratch> but i am willing to do whaterver
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2775[21:29:56] <scratch> ok thanks friends, i understand, and you answerd my questions
2776[21:30:11] <greycat> Depending on what TYPE of file system is on the existing partition, there are probably programs that can shrink it to a smaller size without your having to back up all the data and recreate it.
2777[21:30:13] <scratch> so partition wont help, and i need uuid
2778[21:30:32] <greycat> scratch: also stop listening to jhutchins_wk
2779[21:30:58] <jhutchins_wk> scratch: No, partitioning is what you want for what you described, but I think you might want UUID as well.
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2782[21:31:18] <uniqdom> greycat: I had to reload the daemon config. it is restarting my service now. thanks
2783[21:31:27] <scratch> i think i accidently created a uuid partition for my back ups
2784[21:31:38] <greycat> My god. jhutchins_wk: STOP DOING DAMAGE TO THE NEWBIES.
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2786[21:32:11] <scratch> the files syste isntfs-3g
2787[21:32:17] <greycat> Every file system has a UUID associated with it. This is just a big ugly string of letters and numbers. Totally not central to the issue at hand.
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2790[21:33:04] <scratch> oh ok one is file system (uuid) and another is the device and again another category is the partitions
2791[21:33:31] <greycat> He will never recover from the brain damage jhutchins_wk inflicted.
2792[21:34:02] <scratch> well thanks everbody!
2793[21:34:29] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: Don't I recall that ext filesystems don't have a UUID by default but need blkid to assign them?
2794[21:34:32] <greycat> scratch: Maybe you should start by attaching the disk, and then running "fdisk -l" as root, to see what is currently on it.
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2796[21:35:18] <scratch> ok thanks first thing i ll do
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2798[21:35:26] <scratch> but it is empty or at least should be
2799[21:35:43] <jhutchins_wk> scratch: They usually come pre-formatted as something.
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2802[21:36:00] <scratch> yes i fromated it into ntfs-3g
2803[21:36:00] <greycat> Better to run fdisk -l and find out, than to guess.
2804[21:36:03] <scratch> i think
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2807[21:36:29] <greycat> If there's a partition (or more than one partition), then you can also run "blkid" to see the file systems and their UUID strings.
2808[21:36:42] <scratch> ah nice
2809[21:37:07] <scratch> i think i formated the drive into fat and then mounted as ntfs-3g but i will have to check to be sure
2810[21:37:16] <scratch> well thanks sorry for the confusing question
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2832[21:57:25] <David_Hedlund> Where do I report upstream BTS?
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2836[21:58:50] <jhutchins_wk> David_Hedlund: Are you running packages from upstream?
2837[21:58:50] <David_Hedlund> How do I report to the upstream bug tracking system? I need to suggest an update for replaced-url
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2840[21:59:07] <jhutchins_wk> David_Hedlund: Short answer: you don't.
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2842[21:59:22] <David_Hedlund> jhutchins: Great answer. Can you please read replaced-url
2843[21:59:24] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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2850[22:00:30] <jhutchins_wk> David_Hedlund: If you read the bug reporting guidelines, they will strongly suggest not reporting upstream. If something needs to go upstream, the maintainers have MUCH more credibility with the developers.
2851[22:00:46] <David_Hedlund> jhutchins: Did you read replaced-url
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2853[22:01:03] <jhutchins_wk> David_Hedlund: Upstream projects have their own tracking systems (or not), and handle feature/enhancement requests differently.
2854[22:01:31] <David_Hedlund> jhutchins: So what am I going to do with replaced-url
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2858[22:02:38] <jhutchins_wk> David_Hedlund: I would wait for a reply from the maintainers.
2859[22:02:57] <jhutchins_wk> David_Hedlund: Have you complied and installed the package from the upstream sources?
2860[22:03:23] <David_Hedlund> jhutchins: He already replied saying: "> I think you should report this to the upstream BTS, though, since we have no control over their website."
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2862[22:03:40] <David_Hedlund> jhutchins: No, I just installed the package.
2863[22:04:01] <jhutchins_wk> David_Hedlund: Then you don't know if your problem exists upstream, and that is the first thing they will tell you.
2864[22:04:34] <jhutchins_wk> David_Hedlund: You could find out what kind of resources they have - mailing lists, forums, trackers - and see if anybody has commented on that. Maybe they don't support rar because it isn't entirely free.
2865[22:04:53] <David_Hedlund> jhutchins: I have no idea what upstream or not have to do with this. Its about updating replaced-url
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2867[22:05:15] <David_Hedlund> jhutchins: Thanks, I'll have a look on the other resources.
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2869[22:05:37] <jhutchins_wk> David_Hedlund: Also, your report is what, five days old? While we're on freeze for wheezy release, and maintainers are presumably focused on that.
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2871[22:05:51] <jhutchins_wk> David_Hedlund: It's lucky if you get a response at all within two weeks.
2872[22:05:58] <greycat> jhutchins_wk: have you recently emerged from a coma?
2873[22:06:07] <jhutchins_wk> David_Hedlund: My average time from report to published fix is two years in RedHat.
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2875[22:06:28] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: No, but I did get over a bad cold.
2876[22:06:38] <greycat> wheezy release was a few years back
2877[22:07:01] <David_Hedlund> jhutchins: Ah.
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2883[22:07:52] <jimmm> can you emerge gcc from a coma? is that like a newfangled repo?
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2889[22:08:52] <jhutchins_wk> David_Hedlund: Reading further into your report, it would appear that the upstream folks think it should work with RAR, so maybe something is wrong.
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2895[22:09:56] <jimmm> seriously, I got a printer issue... I'm trying to configure my printer, an hplj4050, and having trouble getting it working by cups... I remember something about hp printers like port 9100, but I don't remember the details of how to set that up
2896[22:10:27] <jimmm> argh, I have too many ms
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2900[22:11:34] <jhutchins_wk> jimmm: hplip?
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2902[22:11:59] <jhutchins_wk> jimmm: The cups web site has some good pages on how to get specific printer.
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2904[22:12:03] <jhutchins_wk> s working.
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2906[22:12:16] <jimmm> I'll check that
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2908[22:13:04] <jimmm> meanwhile I have to fix my flaky network...
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2911[22:14:44] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: Yes, we're on freeze for stretch, not wheezy.
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2913[22:15:28] <jimmm> what's the curr. rc bug count on stretch?
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2915[22:15:59] <greycat> !release-critical
2916[22:15:59] <dpkg> Release-Critical bugs are Debian bugs with critical, grave or serious severities, preventing the next release of Debian. See the graph at replaced-url
2917[22:16:25] <jhutchins_wk> I thought someone had one of the bots programmed to retrieve the count...
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2920[22:19:05] <jimmm> what was that glitch in the graph from january?
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2922[22:19:50] <AnimalFarmPig> I've had a Sun Netra T2000 sitting around in a closet unused (wife said it was too loud) for a couple years. I just started a new job and one of the perks is that I can colo servers at the office. I know that Debian dropped official support for sun4v with the last release, but it looks like there's an unofficial port
2923[22:20:03] <AnimalFarmPig> I haven't used unofficial ports before, is there anything I should watch out for?
2924[22:20:43] <AnimalFarmPig> According to replaced-url
2925[22:22:38] <jhutchins_wk> jimmm: You mean where it jumped up or the vertical line?
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2956[22:47:24] <ghff5> Upgraded to gtx 960 from quadro 600. Had nvidia drivers installed. Blinking cursor after post. Tried 'nomodeset' no such luck. Any ideas?
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2964[22:49:55] <jimmm> jhutchins_wk, oh sorry, I meant the two vertical lines at the beginning and end of january... also, I have hplip installed on the server machine... does it need to be on the client too?
2965[22:50:22] <klow> Anyone know if its reasonably possible to downgrade php packages to version 5.3 on Jessie 8.7 ? I broke an application that isnt ready for 5.6 php
2966[22:50:24] <jhutchins_wk> jimmm: I don't know, mine's a brother.
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2969[22:51:03] <jimmm> hmm, it used to work fine before I replaced my linux-box gateway
2970[22:51:15] <ghff6> Tried nvidia.modeset=0
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2972[22:51:26] <ghff6> Tried nv.modeset=0
2973[22:51:38] <ghff6> Tried noveau.modeset=0
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2976[22:51:50] <ghff6> Tried nomodeset
2977[22:52:35] <jimmm> ok... hmm, anyone got an hplj with a jetdirect card?
2978[22:52:40] <jhutchins_wk> klow: What you really should do is fix the app so it works with 7 and install that. 5 isn't supported any more.
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2980[22:53:15] <blackflow> klow: 5.3 is EOL long time ago
2981[22:53:16] <jimmm> (cups printed its test pages)
2982[22:53:33] <jhutchins_wk> I think 5.* was EOL 1 March.
2983[22:53:40] <greycat> even wheezy has php 5.4
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2985[22:53:48] <jhutchins_wk> Or 1 April.
2986[22:53:57] <blackflow> jhutchins_wk: no, 5.6 is supported until end of next year
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2988[22:54:49] <klow> ya, well that would be nice. But its a huge project that I dont even develop for, just use as a consumer (FreePBX) . Their *beta* version uses 5.6, and stable which I am hoping to use, requires 5.3 .
2989[22:54:51] <blackflow> klow: I think it'd be better to just fix the application, there shouldn't be much incompatibilities between 5.3 and 5.6
2990[22:55:03] <blackflow> ah
2991[22:55:25] <jhutchins_wk> Not sure where I got that date, 5.6 went security support only on 19 January.
2992[22:56:01] <jhutchins_wk> 5.5 and earlier have no support.
2993[22:56:18] <klow> Does that mean they are not available in the jessie repos whatsoever?
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2995[22:56:33] <klow> support is great but Im just looking for a possible solution that works for me heh
2996[22:56:41] <dStruct> ok a bit of a random question here. If I had hypothetically have a disk formatted 768 bits per sector, is there any remote possibility of mounting it on any UNIX/Linux or even Windows platform? Aside from coding some kind of driver from scratch?
2997[22:56:43] <jhutchins_wk> blackflow: replaced-url
2998[22:56:45] <blackflow> klow: is there a docker package of it?
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3002[22:57:33] <jhutchins_wk> klow: They're not supported upstream, php.net. The packages still exist, but it's going to require patches be backported from 5.6 to maintain security.
3003[22:57:36] <klow> negative, I actually tried to make one and it was exceedingly difficult. VoIP isnt well suited to containers. FreePBX has many many parts, asterisk, mysql, node.js, apache, lua, the list goes on.
3004[22:57:44] <klow> makes for a pretty gnarly container
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3006[22:58:02] <blackflow> klow: maybe just for phpfpm
3007[22:58:08] <klow> not to mention cron, syslog, etc
3008[22:58:47] <jhutchins_wk> dStruct: I don't know that the sector size is relevant.
3009[22:58:51] <klow> hmm
3010[22:58:59] <jhutchins_wk> dStruct: It's more the filesystem format.
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3014[22:59:54] <dStruct> jhutchins_wk: well true, the disk itself is hard coded to 768bps and the FS is formatted for it. Do you know of a way I could pull files off of it without having to rebuild data from scratch. I'm trying to do a file copy directly from it
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3016[22:59:57] <blackflow> klow: I suppose you could find an older package for 5.3 but then make sure you lock it down with apparmor or similar and security features of systemd
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3018[23:00:24] <blackflow> klow: or simply use the beta? is it unstable?
3019[23:00:53] <klow> Ya, I might try to go that route. Im not sure.
3020[23:01:00] <klow> the beta of the app that is.
3021[23:01:03] <klow> gah
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3036[23:11:28] <ikonia> dStruct: what are you trying to do this on
3037[23:11:34] <ikonia> you seem to be posting it across multiple hanels
3038[23:11:36] <ikonia> channels
3039[23:11:43] <dStruct> ikonia: only these two
3040[23:12:18] <ikonia> these two what ?
3041[23:12:32] <dStruct> ikonia: I'm trying to mount an unknown file system on a disk formatted 768 bit per sector with an unknown partition type, and copy large amounts of files directly from it
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3043[23:12:54] <ikonia> dStruct: again as I told you what has the sector size and partiton type got to do with the file system
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3045[23:13:04] <ikonia> dStruct: and what are you doing this on debian or ubuntu as you're asking the same in both
3046[23:14:28] <dStruct> ikonia: I will use any distro even Windows if it would allow me to natively copy the files preserving path or at least file name
3047[23:14:53] <ikonia> dStruct: right, so find out the file system on it
3048[23:15:08] <dStruct> ikonia: hmm, easier said then done but I'll see what I can come up with
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3051[23:19:10] <rohtechki> hi
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3055[23:20:09] <rohtechki> i have a problem i cant run tor
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3060[23:22:15] <rohtechki> hello
3061[23:22:17] <rohtechki> ??
3062[23:22:24] <ikonia> hello what ?
3063[23:22:30] <dontknow> rohtechki, tor browseR?
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3065[23:22:58] <dontknow> lol
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3074[23:27:53] <dontknow> ubuntu cancels unity and switch to gnome
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3108[23:45:14] <Leoneof> hi, is there any option to install kde within netinstall?
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3111[23:45:59] <Leoneof> debian testing
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3119[23:53:52] <jimmm> Leoneof, yeah, if you have the net configured early in the netinst process, and have a mirror configured which is working, you should be able to get kde pretty easily
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3122[23:54:21] <Leoneof> jimmm: oh great, thanks
3123[23:54:23] <Leoneof> :]
3124[23:54:43] <jimmm> even if you just install the base, once you get networking and a mirror up, its easy
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3127[23:56:33] <jimmm> and, even if you do have the net early, and you install other stuff under netinstall, but forget the DE and reboot into the newly installed debian, it will -still- be easy from your installation (instead of from the netinstall)
3128[23:56:40] <jimmm> so you're covered either way
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