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• 40[00:31:57] <a417> sudo will say that if you've changed the hostname w/o a reboot
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• 43[00:33:22] <_0xbadc0de_> hello I have one networking question
• 44[00:33:25] <_0xbadc0de_> should I ask it here?
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• 49[00:35:31] <nuxil> i use kde on my debian stretch. but im haveing a issue from time to time that apps freezes. i tried googeling a bit but just came up with people with same problem.
• 50[00:35:50] <nuxil> example replaced-url
• 51[00:37:06] <a417> i used to use plasma all the time, then i realized that it was a lot of graphical wank that just never...really...worked well, and i reverted back to xfce and stayed there
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• 53[00:37:37] <nuxil> if gnome3 was not so shitty and written with tables and touch screen in mind but written for desktop pc and workstations i would use it instad.
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• 55[00:37:46] <nuxil> perhaps i need to revert to xfce too
• 56[00:37:59] <a417> i thought plasma 4 -> was going to be THE MOVE...but it never panned out. between gui freezes, lost configs..etc, i just went back to the orig. xfce that i've had since day one...it always worked.
• 57[00:38:05] <a417> its just cruft that distracted me.
• 58[00:38:45] <a417> plasma widgets = "do I really need to know how much of my swapfile is utilized updated in realtime"...."...no:
• 59[00:39:15] <nuxil> lol. dat ture :D
• 60[00:39:18] <nuxil> *true
• 61[00:40:25] <nuxil> hows xfce vs this gnome-mate thingy ?
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• 100[01:01:25] <KNUBBIG> Hi! How can I disable anonymous mail sending to the domain postfix is managing? I'm telnet'ing to domain:25 and can send unauthorized to anything@domain. Thanks :)
• 101[01:04:20] <abrotman> that's called an open relay, and you probably want #postfix
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• 105[01:06:04] <blackflow> it's not open relay if that postfix is managing the recipient.
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• 109[01:07:17] <KNUBBIG> jup exactly
• 110[01:07:24] <KNUBBIG> but thanks I'll try #postfix, thanks :)
• 111[01:08:06] <blackflow> KNUBBIG: basically your use case is highly unusual, but in short, what you're asking should be done by setting smtp_recipient_restrictions, allowing only authenticated (permit_sasl_authenticated) and immediately rejecting everything else
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• 113[01:08:14] <blackflow> and yeah, #postfix ftw
• 114[01:08:36] <blackflow> *smtpd_recipient_restrictions
• 115[01:09:31] <KNUBBIG> blackflow: thanks, I'll try that. Just out of curiosity, why is the use case unusual? Wouldn't that allow spammers to easily spam my users for free?
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• 122[01:13:13] <blackflow> KNUBBIG: because nobody can send you mail unless they authenticate against your server with a username and password
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• 128[01:15:45] <abrotman> why is that highly unusual?
• 129[01:15:58] <blackflow> because nobody can send you mail
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• 132[01:16:33] <abrotman> Are you sure that's what he wants?
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• 134[01:16:51] <blackflow> no, but that's what they asked.
• 135[01:17:04] <SanchoPensa> ok.
• 136[01:17:11] <abrotman> If you don't want people to send you mail from outside, seems like the easier way would be to just not listen to external addresses
• 137[01:17:21] <SanchoPensa> guys, I require your help with a very odd postfix problem, if you please...
• 138[01:17:32] * abrotman wonders if #postfix is closed ?
• 139[01:17:43] <blackflow> unless it's a network of servers connected over public internet, and they may only send mail to some central mta
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• 145[01:18:08] <abrotman> KNUBBIG: are you sure you don't want mail from external parties?
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• 147[01:18:13] <SanchoPensa> I get a 5.7.1 relaying denied error, when trying to send to another domain.
• 148[01:18:13] <SanchoPensa> I can receive, and I can send to myself, I can just not send anywhere else. something about the relay_restricitons...Any ideas, pls?
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• 150[01:18:38] <uio> When I boot, Wifi doesn't work and I have to run su dhclient. Is there a way to automise this?
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• 155[01:19:13] <d0rm0us3> abrotman, registered only
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• 157[01:19:18] <SanchoPensa> this is, what my main.cf looks like:replaced-url
• 158[01:19:26] <abrotman> d0rm0us3: so?
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• 161[01:20:00] <d0rm0us3> You wondered if it was closed.. I must have misunderstood what you meant.
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• 163[01:20:25] <abrotman> it's not closed, it just has a barrier
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• 165[01:21:16] <blackflow> actually no, it's wide open, no +r either. I see KNUBBIG posted there as instructed :)
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• 167[01:22:05] <SanchoPensa> abrotman: postfix is idle
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• 169[01:22:23] <blackflow> SanchoPensa: your question is better suited for #postfix, but... are you authenticated against that server? you have permit_sasl_authenticated, but are you actually authenticating?
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• 171[01:22:54] <SanchoPensa> blackflow: yes I do. Thunderbird settings are set to starttls
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• 173[01:23:35] <uio> Could there be a conflict with dhcp?
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• 176[01:24:33] <blackflow> SanchoPensa: STARTTLS != authentication
• 177[01:24:51] <abrotman> uio: is it configured in your interfaces, or using networkmanager?
• 178[01:25:02] <SanchoPensa> blackflow: what exaclty do you mean, bro?
• 179[01:25:24] <abrotman> STARTTLS is opportunistic encryption, authentication involves a username/passwd
• 180[01:25:51] <blackflow> SanchoPensa: first I'm not your bro. I mean did you set up username and password for _outgoing_ mail?
• 181[01:26:06] <SanchoPensa> blackflow: as stated: i can fetch mail, I can send myself mail, I can send mail FROM outside, I can only not send mail TO outside...
• 182[01:26:30] <blackflow> SanchoPensa: and as asked, did you set up username and password for outgoing mail in Thunderbird?
• 183[01:26:40] <SanchoPensa> blackflow: and I am not your imbecil, yes I did of course.
• 184[01:26:52] <abrotman> knock it off
• 185[01:27:03] <abrotman> SanchoPensa: can you show us the logs ?
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• 187[01:27:09] <blackflow> SanchoPensa: good luck.
• 188[01:27:13] <SanchoPensa> abrotman: yes sir. sec, pls
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• 190[01:29:11] <SanchoPensa> abrotman: replaced-url
• 191[01:29:15] <uio> abrotman: Sorry, I don't understand... I added the network with networkmanager.
• 192[01:29:41] <uio> abrotman: But when wifi doesn't work I run su dhclient and it always fixes the problem...
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• 196[01:31:28] <abrotman> SanchoPensa: can you put your logs in debug and also include your auth logs from the same log?
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• 199[01:31:56] <blackflow> SanchoPensa: there's no mention of sasl authentication, is that the entire log?
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• 202[01:32:29] <blackflow> you should have smtpd logging: client=<your_ip>, sasl_method=PLAIN, sasl_username=<username you authenticated with>
• 203[01:32:48] <blackflow> I'll ask again. do you actually authenticate....
• 204[01:32:53] <SanchoPensa> blackflow: I am afraid it is...
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• 206[01:33:13] <uio> I just was looking for a way to automise this such that if the normal techinique connetion doesn't work it runs su dhclient by itself so I don't have to do it every time.
• 207[01:33:13] <blackflow> SanchoPensa: so you're not authenticating.
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• 209[01:33:27] <SanchoPensa> abrotman: what do you mean, can i put my logs in debug, you mean set a switch, to increase verbosity? If so, do you happen to know it?
• 210[01:33:45] <SanchoPensa> blackflow: how can i fetch mails tehn?
• 211[01:34:06] <blackflow> SanchoPensa: via IMAP/POP3 which is not postfix?
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• 213[01:34:23] <blackflow> that's probably Dovecot or courier
• 214[01:34:27] <abrotman> cyrus!
• 215[01:34:43] <SanchoPensa> Dovecot it is!
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• 217[01:34:59] <blackflow> SanchoPensa: you need smtpd_sasl_* options defined in main.cf, you don't have any.
• 218[01:35:15] <blackflow> you can use Dovecot as SASL agent. replaced-url
• 219[01:35:22] <SanchoPensa> blackflow: that is, because they are in maste.cf
• 220[01:35:24] <SanchoPensa> sec pls
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• 222[01:36:23] <SanchoPensa> here they are: replaced-url
• 223[01:37:01] <abrotman> SanchoPensa: can you telnet to your server on port 25 and type "EHLO foo" and show us that output?
• 224[01:37:06] <blackflow> SanchoPensa: and have you set up Dovecot's side? iirc there's an issue with permissions on unix socket, out of the box
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• 227[01:37:22] <SanchoPensa> abrotman: yes I can, done that, sec, pls
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• 231[01:39:37] <SanchoPensa> abrotman: replaced-url
• 232[01:39:51] <abrotman> SanchoPensa: it really seems like you're not properly authenticating to your server. The debug logs may help show that. The telnet may show that it's not offering AUTH. But be mindful that SMTP AUTH and IMAP/POP are different settings in Thunderbird
• 233[01:40:09] <SanchoPensa> blackflow: yes, I had to tinker there, in order to have that running properly, gimme a sec, pls:
• 234[01:40:17] <buu_> Hello
• 235[01:40:30] <abrotman> Unless Postfix doesn't offer AUTH until STARTTLS is started, your server isn't offering AUTH
• 236[01:40:46] <abrotman> SanchoPensa: ^^
• 237[01:40:51] <abrotman> and if you can't AUTH, you can't relay
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• 241[01:42:07] <buu_> How do I handle my udev rule renaming my eth device *after* ifup fails to find it?
• 242[01:42:45] <SanchoPensa> abrotman: that does sound logic, but how do i fetch mails then?
• 243[01:42:53] <blackflow> abrotman: that's correct, 250-AUTH is not given unless over (START)TLS. There's an option for that iirc, but I can't remember which one otoh
• 244[01:43:02] <SanchoPensa> replaced-url
• 245[01:43:27] <abrotman> SanchoPensa: fetching and sending are unrelated unless you've done some work
• 246[01:43:30] <abrotman> blackflow: that's the default?
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• 249[01:44:19] <SanchoPensa> replaced-url
• 250[01:44:25] <SanchoPensa> yes, I have...
• 251[01:44:45] <SanchoPensa> mind you, the auth driver is shadow, not pam nor passwd
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• 253[01:46:14] <SanchoPensa> if you look at lines 34 to 36 of my master.cf, there you can see, what I did, to enable dovecot auth: -o smtpd_sasl_auth_enable=yes -o smtpd_sasl_type=dovecot -o smtpd_sasl_path=private/auth
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• 257[01:48:09] <abrotman> SanchoPensa: blackflow and I both asked for logs showing your AUTH information
• 258[01:48:25] <SanchoPensa> abrotman: I am sorry, man, there isn't any.
• 259[01:48:39] <buu_> abrotman: help
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• 261[01:49:03] <blackflow> abrotman: I think it's default yes, I'd have to dig in the config options to find which configurable, if any, can remove it.
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• 264[01:50:46] <abrotman> buu_: look in /etc/udev/rules.d/
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• 266[01:51:09] <abrotman> blackflow: well, we still need to see his auth logs since his config says to only relay if auth'ed
• 267[01:51:19] <SanchoPensa> abrotman: ther eis exactly NOTHING in /var/log/auth-log, and there is exactly the same error in /var/log/syslog like there is in /var/log/mail.log, other than that, I got nothing!
• 268[01:51:28] <abrotman> SanchoPensa: it would be in your mail log about your auth
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• 271[01:52:11] <uio> Any ideas for automising su dhclient when wifi won't connect?
• 272[01:52:35] <blackflow> precisely, and postfix would log any SASL activity (even invalid authentication). I'm guessing it's not even attempting
• 273[01:53:17] <buu_> abrotman: I mean, I know why it's being renamed, I configured it that way
• 274[01:53:26] <buu_> but when I use the new name in interfaces it isn't there
• 275[01:53:32] <SanchoPensa> abrotman: replaced-url
• 276[01:53:33] <buu_> because it gets renamed *after* ifup runs
• 277[01:53:44] <abrotman> SanchoPensa: sending, not worried about fetching
• 278[01:54:26] <SanchoPensa> abrotman: that being the problem. I cannot send. I pasted you the error, but I can of course paste it again, sec, pls
• 279[01:55:11] <blackflow> SanchoPensa: add debug_peer_list config option to postfix (see the docs what it does) and try again, pastebin the full postfix log please
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• 282[01:56:13] <SanchoPensa> replaced-url
• 283[01:56:44] <SanchoPensa> blackflow: i am not familiar with that option, how do I use it?
• 284[01:57:54] <blackflow> SanchoPensa: did you read the docs? you supply the IP address of the client for whom logging will increase in verbosity. Ie, you put your own IP you connect to that postfix from.
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• 287[01:58:26] <SanchoPensa> blackflow: yes, that I read, it din't say, where to put it though...
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• 290[01:59:45] <blackflow> SanchoPensa: main.cf suffices
• 291[02:00:01] <SanchoPensa> blackflow: said something about a level too?
• 292[02:00:07] <blackflow> you can put it globally, it needn't be tied to a specific service in master.cf
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• 294[02:01:06] <uio> Any ideas?
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• 296[02:01:26] <blackflow> SanchoPensa: there's debug_peer_level but iirc you needn't adjust that. you can increse if you want more verbosity, iirc
• 297[02:01:51] <SanchoPensa> blackflow: yep! I set it to 3 for now, so now lets see...
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• 299[02:02:25] <blackflow> default is already increase over non-debug loggig, but okay.
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• 301[02:02:45] <SanchoPensa> blackflow: abrotman exactly the same error message, as previously
• 302[02:02:55] <SanchoPensa> not the slightest change...
• 303[02:03:06] <blackflow> only those 3 lines of logging?
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• 305[02:03:15] <abrotman> Did you reload/restart postfix?
• 306[02:03:58] <SanchoPensa> abrotman: yes I did, and blackflow exactly...
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• 308[02:04:24] <blackflow> sounds like thunderbird is not even trying authentication. like abrotman mentioned before, the settings are separate in thunderbird, between incoming and outgoing server settings. outgoing requires auth be set explicitly, and iirc there's a checkbox to use incoming settings, can't remember
• 309[02:04:31] <blackflow> SanchoPensa: ^^^^
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• 311[02:05:14] <SanchoPensa> blackflow: oh gosh, man...
• 312[02:05:17] <abrotman> in your account setings, there's a button at the bottom
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• 315[02:05:53] <SanchoPensa> abrotman: which one...?
• 316[02:06:04] <uio> Try claws-mail?
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• 318[02:06:22] <abrotman> SanchoPensa: there should be one for SMTP Settings or Outbound, it's been a while
• 319[02:06:45] <abrotman> Outgoing Server
• 320[02:06:46] <SanchoPensa> abrotman: yes, I know, I have set those.
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• 322[02:07:27] <abrotman> okay, you only have one? and if you click Edit and then you have Use Secure Connection set?
• 323[02:07:59] <abrotman> (feel free to screenshot it to make us feel silly) :)
• 324[02:08:07] <SanchoPensa> abrotman: nope, i have some 7, and each of which has it's secure connection set.
• 325[02:08:18] <abrotman> oh jeez
• 326[02:08:25] <SanchoPensa> abrotman: i will not screenshot my entire login credentials. ;)
• 327[02:08:26] <SanchoPensa> :D
• 328[02:08:28] <abrotman> okay, check the one you believe oyu're using
• 329[02:08:36] <abrotman> SanchoPensa: I think it's a separate tab , but okay
• 330[02:08:42] <SanchoPensa> abrotman: stop.
• 331[02:08:48] <SanchoPensa> i repeat.
• 332[02:08:54] <SanchoPensa> i have my connection settings set.
• 333[02:09:00] <SanchoPensa> not the issue.
• 334[02:09:13] <abrotman> your logs indicate that Thunderbird isn't trying, that's what we're trying to say
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• 336[02:09:49] <blackflow> SanchoPensa: I'm willing to bet whatever you want that thunderbird is not trying authentication. If it tried, postfix would log one of TWO possibilities: 1) successful SASL authentication, 2) SASL authentication failed! in normal operation, without elevated debug logging.
• 337[02:10:04] <blackflow> now as to _why_ it's not trying, that's another question entirely.
• 338[02:10:13] <SanchoPensa> abrotman: I do understand you perfectly, bro, I do get it. And I understand it as little, as you do.
• 339[02:10:44] <SanchoPensa> for if that statement is true, it should also log me when I log in to fetch should it not?
• 340[02:10:53] <SanchoPensa> or are those auth logiins not logged?
• 341[02:11:03] <SanchoPensa> it does also not log those logins.
• 342[02:11:13] <SanchoPensa> it logs ssh, and that is that.
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• 344[02:12:14] <abrotman> "openssl s_client -starttls smtp -crlf -connect localhost:587", then type "EHLO foo"
• 345[02:12:22] <blackflow> SanchoPensa: the logs look like this: replaced-url
• 346[02:12:42] <abrotman> or port 25 or whatever IP you are sending through
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• 348[02:13:07] <blackflow> port 587 should be usd for submission
• 349[02:13:09] <abrotman> smtp auth are not logged in /var/log/auth.log ..
• 350[02:13:26] <abrotman> blackflow: I know .. but I don't know if everyone uses that
• 351[02:13:35] <blackflow> no, they're logged by postfix/smtpd service
• 352[02:14:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1451
• 353[02:14:03] <blackflow> they _should_ (per RFC 2119) use it though :)
• 354[02:14:35] <SanchoPensa> abrotman: i have to use 25, there is nothing responding on 587, and I haven't found out yet, why...
• 355[02:14:54] <SanchoPensa> there is also nothing responding on 465...
• 356[02:15:22] <buu_> Ok this is actually really annoying
• 357[02:15:24] <blackflow> SanchoPensa: you have to enable submission service in master.cf for port 587
• 358[02:15:49] <SanchoPensa> blackflow: if you look at my master.cf, you will see, that I have..
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• 360[02:16:14] <blackflow> SanchoPensa: can you post the link again please? I closed the tab and dunno which of the above links is maste.cf
• 361[02:16:41] <SanchoPensa> sure, sec, ls
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• 363[02:16:55] <SanchoPensa> replaced-url
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• 365[02:17:21] <abrotman> SanchoPensa: your server isn't offering AUTH to me either .. even after STARTTLS has started correctly :(
• 366[02:17:38] <SanchoPensa> abrotman: right??
• 367[02:17:48] <SanchoPensa> not the tbird, but the server!
• 368[02:17:55] <blackflow> ahhhh right.... SASL is only configured for submission/port 587
• 369[02:18:16] <SanchoPensa> blackflow: what does that mean?
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• 371[02:18:44] <blackflow> SanchoPensa: that means you can only authenticate when connectign to port 587. port 25 won't even accept AUTH
• 372[02:18:55] <SanchoPensa> nice! :D
• 373[02:19:01] <abrotman> so, back to why port 587 isn't working ...
• 374[02:19:10] <blackflow> that's becaus you've set up sasl in master.cf for submission service, instead in main.cf for all
• 375[02:19:18] <abrotman> SanchoPensa: This is why hiding details makes it hard for us to help you :(
• 376[02:19:24] <SanchoPensa> what came to my attention: that port is mentioned exactly nowhere, does postfix open it automagically, when submission is enabled?
• 377[02:19:29] <derlg_> ping yourself
• 378[02:19:46] <blackflow> SanchoPensa: ss -4ln will tell you
• 379[02:19:48] <abrotman> SanchoPensa: I understand why people do it, but it does make it hard :(
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• 381[02:19:50] <SanchoPensa> abrotman: iI am not hiding anything from you, bro, except my login password.
• 382[02:21:06] <SanchoPensa> blackflow: replaced-url
• 383[02:21:18] <SanchoPensa> so, we are homing in, aren't we? :D
• 384[02:21:26] <abrotman> can you post your main.cf and master.cf again?
• 385[02:21:39] <blackflow> abrotman: btw, "smtpd_tls_auth_only" was the setting, and default is "no".
• 386[02:21:54] <abrotman> Yeah, I found it .. but I agree with not disabling it
• 387[02:22:07] <abrotman> and not sure it would help when only 25 is working
• 388[02:22:24] <blackflow> SanchoPensa: you have chrooted submission service.... I don't know if that's default on debian?
• 389[02:23:02] <SanchoPensa> blackflow: yes it is, but I have already also un-changerooted it, unfortunately also to no avail...
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• 392[02:23:37] <blackflow> SanchoPensa: there must be something logged about potential error when you (re)start the postfix service?
• 393[02:23:55] <SanchoPensa> blackflow: indeed. says it is alread running
• 394[02:24:08] <blackflow> oh yes, I think you're missing the certificate and key files?
• 395[02:24:28] <SanchoPensa> Jan 4 02:24:12 mail postfix/postfix-script[9914]: fatal: the Postfix mail system is already running
• 396[02:24:49] <SanchoPensa> blackflow: what?? I created and inserted those myself!
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• 398[02:25:03] <SanchoPensa> abrotman: do you still need the confs?
• 399[02:25:14] <abrotman> SanchoPensa: I don't think so
• 400[02:25:20] <SanchoPensa> k, thanks
• 401[02:25:42] <blackflow> SanchoPensa: created and inserted where?
• 402[02:25:50] <blackflow> SanchoPensa: actually can you pastebin postconf -n please?
• 403[02:26:07] <SanchoPensa> blackflow: gimme a sec, pls
• 404[02:26:46] <blackflow> you _did_ define them in dovecot config yes, I remember seeing the options, but I don't remember seeing it in your main.cf
• 405[02:27:05] <abrotman> I did get a cert on port 25, that seemed to work
• 406[02:27:48] <SanchoPensa> replaced-url
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• 408[02:28:13] <blackflow> ah yes, there they are.
• 409[02:28:16] <SanchoPensa> blackflow: they are of course there, and postfix would cry out while restart, if the weren't...
• 410[02:28:24] <SanchoPensa> yup. :
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• 412[02:28:27] <SanchoPensa> :)
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• 414[02:29:05] <blackflow> right, so why isn't submission listening...
• 415[02:29:10] <abrotman> why is it telling you it's already running?
• 416[02:29:51] <SanchoPensa> both good questions!
• 417[02:30:01] <abrotman> if you stop postfix, does it actually stop/
• 418[02:30:02] <abrotman> ?
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• 420[02:30:58] <SanchoPensa> replaced-url
• 421[02:31:31] <SanchoPensa> WTF?!?
• 422[02:31:37] <SanchoPensa> NOPE?? it does NOT??
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• 425[02:32:38] <blackflow> kill em with -9, start the postfix service again
• 426[02:33:33] <abrotman> might be a chroot issue
• 427[02:33:42] <SanchoPensa> blackflow: I just did. First tie no "is already running" error.
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• 429[02:33:53] <SanchoPensa> what the effing hell???
• 430[02:34:02] <abrotman> you kill -9 6287 ?
• 431[02:34:14] <SanchoPensa> abrotman: killed all 4 of them.
• 432[02:34:17] <SanchoPensa> restarted.
• 433[02:34:21] <SanchoPensa> same error
• 434[02:34:32] <abrotman> did you verify they were dead?
• 435[02:34:45] <SanchoPensa> yep
• 436[02:34:54] <SanchoPensa> and got a port 587 listening now!
• 437[02:35:26] <abrotman> but can you reliably restart it when you want?
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• 440[02:35:51] <SanchoPensa> abrotman: blackflow guess what, now it works.
• 441[02:36:10] <blackflow> !next
• 442[02:36:10] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
• 443[02:36:11] <SanchoPensa> as we say in german; I think my porcupine is whistling!
• 444[02:36:25] <SanchoPensa> am I fucking dreaming, or what? :D
• 445[02:36:31] <abrotman> SanchoPensa: you need to ensure you can restart it reliably
• 446[02:36:41] <SanchoPensa> abrotman: sec, pls
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• 448[02:37:08] <blackflow> SanchoPensa: are you using systemctl or "service" which iirc does the sysvinit scripts? You should use systemd if at all possible.
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• 450[02:37:17] <SanchoPensa> abrotman: yes I freakin can, it simply works now!
• 451[02:37:19] <Psi-Jack> So, I was curious and decided to check out Debian Live installers, because I had issues with partman related bugs with Ubuntu and Ubuntu-based distros in a Multi-Boot USB setup using Grub2. Anyway, I've got Debian 9 Cinnamon Live running in a VM and... I see no installation option anywhere. heh
• 452[02:37:34] <abrotman> SanchoPensa: and can you actually auth correctly? Check your logs
• 453[02:37:50] <SanchoPensa> geeezuz effing Kreyst!
• 454[02:37:54] <buu_> How do I test how udev is applying rules
• 455[02:37:56] <buu_> And why it isn't applying this rule
• 456[02:38:21] <SanchoPensa> blackflow: usually I use service postfix restart. then i /etc/init.d/postfix restart-ed it
• 457[02:38:27] <buu_> I have a networkd file but it just isn't working
• 458[02:38:30] <SanchoPensa> and then I kill -9ed it! :D
• 459[02:38:51] <Psi-Jack> Does Debian Live actually have an installer?
• 460[02:38:57] <blackflow> SanchoPensa: right, use systemd. it handles those things way better and far more reliable.
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• 462[02:40:04] <SanchoPensa> blackflow: this ... SHIT?? never occured to me once in 20 yrs linux.
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• 464[02:40:11] <SanchoPensa> my jaws are at my balls.
• 465[02:40:40] <SanchoPensa> abrotman: blackflow I thank you two so much, guys!
• 466[02:40:48] <abrotman> Good luck
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• 468[02:40:52] <blackflow> yup. :)
• 469[02:40:59] <SanchoPensa> It is 2:41 in the morning now, and I thouhgt, I was never gonna come to go to bed. :D
• 470[02:41:20] <SanchoPensa> you guys made my night, so to speak, and I really appreciate that! :)
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• 490[02:51:20] <abrotman> buu_: did you figure it out?
• 491[02:51:39] <Psi-Jack> "Try Debian live before installing", which claims it does in fact provide an included installer. But... Apparently not on the Cinnamon live media. heh
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• 499[02:57:56] <uio> No ideas for automating su dhclient when wifi doesn't work? (When I login in often wifi won't connect, running su dhclient solves the problem, but I'd like to automate it)
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• 501[03:01:53] <phogg> uio: dhclient should be launched already when the interface comes up. Better to figure out why that's failing.
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• 507[03:04:07] <uio> phogg: How could I do so?
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• 518[03:17:24] <uio> A general methodology question : how is one supposed to ask questions here? Often I connect, ask a question, sometime I get a full answer, often a half answer, sometime no answer. Does one keep asking? Example, I asked a question about two hours ago, got a few views, but no solution. What should one do? How is this resource to be used? Obviously people help if they want to / can, but often I just can't figure things out online or here...
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• 521[03:19:46] <abrotman> It really depends who is around
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• 524[03:20:05] <phogg> uio: asking again after a long wait is fine
• 525[03:20:07] <abrotman> uio: so, I asked about network manager, but didn't ask which DE you were using I don't think
• 526[03:20:12] <uio> I suppose this is partly a cultural, a 'Debian culture' question. I get the impression that unless one has a certain amount of linux know-how, you can't really get by in Debian... Is it rude to ask a question a few times? What should beginners do?
• 527[03:20:29] <altker128> uio: Are you new to Linux or UNIX stuff in general? There's a lot of stuff that only gets learned by using. Not saying it should be that way.
• 528[03:20:42] <uio> Again, I'd like to emphasise that I know this channel isn't people's job!
• 529[03:20:53] <uio> Just wondering...
• 530[03:21:01] <phogg> uio: I would help more, but I presume you're using network manager and don't know anything about that.
• 531[03:22:05] <uio> altker128: Hmmm. I see, I really like the Debian philosophy, but honestly, it feels just out of my reach to use the OS... I also wouldn't recomment it to my non-Linux friends, while I would recommend Ubuntu...
• 532[03:22:07] <altker128> To add more to the opacity phogg brough up, different choices (like a Desktop Environment) completely changes the answer or debugging process. Windows or Mac's are much more consistent in some of these regards.
• 533[03:22:14] <uio> phogg: No worries...
• 534[03:22:45] <uio> altker128: True. I know, Linux is rather diverse...
• 535[03:22:55] <altker128> uio: I think the reality of open-source software is there no promises
• 536[03:23:05] <altker128> err *there are no promises
• 537[03:23:26] <altker128> And, as you'll often see, not just "one way" to do something. This can be both good and bad
• 538[03:23:27] <uio> altker128: True... but Debian feels like a computer-person place...
• 539[03:23:56] <altker128> Perhaps so. It's certainly used by people who are generally familiair with Linux/UNIX
• 540[03:24:20] <altker128> I don't think it aims to be beginner friendly...or, beginner unfriendly
• 541[03:24:25] <Sveta> uio I am not a very computer person but I use debian on my home laptop to check email and surf the web
• 542[03:24:42] <Sveta> uio it installs and it works, it seems stable after all
• 543[03:24:48] <uio> I guess I mention this because I've used Lubuntu a lot in the past with few challenges, but there are enough challenges to make it take hours...
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• 545[03:25:05] <Sveta> find a local linux group, those may help you with challenges quickly :)
• 546[03:25:05] <altker128> uio: I will personally again suggest MATE as a desktop environment where most "normal" things just work
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• 548[03:25:25] <cryptodan_mobile> My first linux experience was debian 2.0 on a small server back in 2001
• 549[03:25:29] <uio> Sveta: Right, but for install there is a missing driver, and then wifi won't connect, and then there are battery complications...
• 550[03:25:35] <altker128> I have lots of highly non-technical family members that I've done a basic Debian install w/MATE and they're pretty satisfied
• 551[03:25:51] <Sveta> uio: i think local user groups would be glad to assist
• 552[03:26:06] <uio> I guess I'm saying: I got an old laptop and setting up Debian took absolutely hours, whereas Lubuntu likely would have been faster.
• 553[03:26:09] <cryptodan_mobile> My coworker gave me a debian 2.0 CD and said have fun
• 554[03:26:16] <altker128> uio: 1) Use a wired Ethernet interface until wirless is working. Sorry, not a great answer but it solves the issue 2) HW issues like battery stuff, etc is very hit or miss
• 555[03:26:18] <uio> Okay, maybe Debian-LXDE is harder...
• 556[03:26:38] <uio> altker128: But is it more hit and miss for Debian?
• 557[03:26:53] <uio> Because of firmware issues and the free philosophy?
• 558[03:26:56] <phogg> uio: not particularly
• 559[03:27:11] <uio> I mean, here is better than Arch I'd imagine, but stil....
• 560[03:27:12] <altker128> uio: Ubuntu certainly would have made things like wireless "just work" but they often do that by heavily modifiying things, sometimes even perversely so
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• 565[03:28:07] <uio> Like, without asking for the answer, how would you proceed with my dhclient issue? (here I'm interested in learning how to solve the issue, not solving it itself)
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• 567[03:28:14] <altker128> I too wish that getting the firmware for a wireless card would work out of the box, or that nvidia graphics would be working out of the box, but have to accept some small work arounds. Not the best answer but the reality.
• 568[03:28:23] <altker128> uio: What is your dhclient issue?
• 569[03:28:33] <phogg> uio: I would hit Google and start asking questions. That's how I solve all problems, though.
• 570[03:28:36] <uio> I notice that wifi won't connect, I run su dhclient and it workds.
• 571[03:28:43] <uio> *works.
• 572[03:28:45] <altker128> What desktop environment?
• 573[03:28:50] <uio> LXDE
• 574[03:29:03] <uio> I've tried googling, but I don't know enough!
• 575[03:29:27] <altker128> I would put the blame on the Network Manager SW LXDE is using ; it might be resolved by using 'wicd'
• 576[03:29:44] <altker128> I have not had those issues with MATE. Not trying to sound like a broken record here.
• 577[03:29:44] <phogg> uio: Obviously that isn't supposed to be that way. The thing to establish first is: what *should* be happening? Then: where does what does happen deviate from what should happen? The first part can be difficult, especially when starting from scratch.
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• 579[03:29:47] <uio> So I notice the issue, an hour here a few days ago got me to the work-around, and now I'm looking for a full soltuion.
• 580[03:30:00] <uio> phogg: Hmmm. True.
• 581[03:30:04] <cryptodan_mobile> Uio does ubuntu work with wifi out of box via live usb
• 582[03:30:40] <uio> cryptodan_mobile: Haven't tried it... but Puppy did...
• 583[03:30:50] <uio> I don't like Puppy, but some things are easier...
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• 585[03:30:54] <cryptodan_mobile> Try it
• 586[03:31:01] <phogg> uio: I would try googling for things like "debian wifi dhclient does not start"
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• 588[03:31:41] <altker128> cryptodan_mobile: Ubuntu is pretty good about that stuff, I would bet it does. But they may have also made licensing agreements with the wireless guys to have the right to bundle their drivers...
• 589[03:31:43] <uio> Lol, most of the results are from ubuntu people...
• 590[03:31:54] <uio> altker128: Really???
• 591[03:32:04] <uio> altker128: Even lubuntu??
• 592[03:32:41] <altker128> uio: That's been my experience. They DO have a lot of stuff that works out of the box in a better shape. Things like drivers, they make agreements so they can officially support MP3 decoding or H264/265, etc
• 593[03:32:50] <phogg> uio: even Ubuntu results can still be relevant.
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• 595[03:32:59] <cryptodan_mobile> altker128: not how it works if the manufacturer develops linux drivers they can supply them to kernel.org for inclusion
• 596[03:33:20] <uio> altker128: I think MP3 is open now...
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• 599[03:33:23] <altker128> cryptodan_mobile: It's a mess, usually because of the HW manufacturer
• 600[03:33:31] <phogg> uio: a lot of it is non-networkmanager stuff, though, and I just don't know how relevant that is today
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• 602[03:33:52] <altker128> cryptodan_mobile: You can get the Intel WiFi drivers, but NOT the firmware without agreeing to some stuff...that EULA you agree to when you say install the equivalent driver on Windows
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• 604[03:34:05] <uio> altker128: replaced-url
• 605[03:34:18] <altker128> uio: It was an example
• 606[03:34:30] <cryptodan_mobile> altker128: Intel provides the firmware to the kernel
• 607[03:34:33] <altker128> uio: Historically Fraunhoffer held patents on it and you couldn't legally distribute software that decoded it
• 608[03:34:43] <uio> altker128: Right, just I'm excited that it is open now, that's all :)
• 609[03:34:46] <altker128> cryptodan_mobile: If you look at how it's done, you have to get the firmware packages separately
• 610[03:34:50] <cryptodan_mobile> Uio create new user try there
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• 612[03:35:18] <altker128> cryptodan_mobile: That stuff is included in the non-free Debian repository
• 613[03:35:27] <uio> hmmm
• 614[03:35:45] <uio> could that kind of firmware be related to batteries by any chance?
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• 617[03:36:34] <altker128> It could be a helper utility or program you might need for the Thinkpad, but likely as someone else said before, you have a bad battery. Battery talks with the motherboard via SMBus and if its calibration or charge counting is messed up, you'll get issues
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• 619[03:37:00] <altker128> If the machine fails to boot somtimes past the BIOS, that's purely HW and nothing to do with Debian or Linux
• 620[03:37:41] <cryptodan_mobile> altker128: the thing is Intel wifi isnt restricted
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• 622[03:38:02] <uio> altker128: Okay. I'll be calling the manufacturer tomorrow. You know though, most people don't have/take the time or knowledge for this
• 623[03:38:32] <cryptodan_mobile> Uio create a new user and see if wifi connects there
• 624[03:38:36] <uio> Linux can't be for the masses because people want something that just works (cf Apple)
• 625[03:38:38] <altker128> cryptodan_mobile: All the laptops I'm using Debian on right now (that's four in this room) have Intel WiFi. To get it working, I needed the intel-firmware Debian package only available in the non-free repository
• 626[03:39:04] <altker128> uio: Well, I don't want to be rude, but the laptop your using is old and might need more care and feeding.
• 627[03:39:04] <cryptodan_mobile> Should be in the kernel
• 628[03:39:26] <altker128> cryptodan_mobile: Tell that to Intel. I'm simply telling you what's needed to make it work. You can argue with me if you want, I didn't make the rules
• 629[03:39:39] <uio> cryptodan_mobile: I have the same issue on two profiles.
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• 631[03:40:19] <uio> cryptodan_mobile: To produce the problem I can also just select disconnect from network in the widget and then it won't reconnect properly
• 632[03:40:32] <uio> To solve it I have to run su dhclient
• 633[03:40:41] <cryptodan_mobile> altker128: replaced-url
• 634[03:41:05] <uio> altker128: Good point! I know, I like old machines... the beauty of linux in my eyes... minus the hours of extra work...
• 635[03:41:19] <cryptodan_mobile> Uio sounds more like a broken install then anything
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• 637[03:41:53] <uio> phogg: Okay, so I did the search you suggested and I found replaced-url
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• 639[03:42:19] <uio> cryptodan_mobile: I installed lxqt and then LXDE... but nothing odd....
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• 641[03:42:30] <altker128> cryptodan_mobile: Why are you pointing that out to me? You have to download and install that firmware. You can do that from the website you provided or from the non-free packages. Eitherway, you need the firmware. If you're trying to do that on the machine you do a fresh Debian install on AND relying on WiFi to get the firmware, it's a chicken and egg problem. That is what uio ran into.
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• 645[03:46:00] <cryptodan_mobile> All I know is every linux distro including debian I have had on a Intel wifi based PC it has worked out of box without downloading. It's why I prefer Intel networking especially wifi over all other companies.
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• 648[03:46:55] <phogg> uio: I'm not sure it's related. Also, it has no accepted solution. When you encounter the problem is there a dhclient process already running before you manually run one?
• 649[03:47:25] <uio> phog
• 650[03:47:34] <uio> phogg: I don't think so...
• 651[03:47:45] <uio> phogg: Let me test. rbr
• 652[03:47:47] <uio> brb
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• 655[03:48:19] <uio> test
• 656[03:48:43] <dvs> !test
• 657[03:48:43] <dpkg> Test failed.
• 658[03:49:08] <phogg> uio: no one hears you
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• 664[03:50:13] <uio1> Hmmm, I can't reproduce the problem... =solution???
• 665[03:50:54] <uio1> Anyway, if it doesn't work I might check out wicd
• 666[03:50:59] <phogg> uio1: I hate it when that happens. Try to do that check the next time
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• 668[03:51:19] <phogg> uio1: wicd isn't necessary; if it changes anything that's just luck
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• 670[03:51:40] <uio1> phogg: But I would love it if it always happened = problem solved :)
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• 672[03:52:23] <uio1> phogg: When I ran dhclient at the beginning I got RTNETLINK answers: File exists
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• 674[03:52:41] <phogg> uio1: what is your configuration for your wireless interface in /etc/network/interfaces?
• 675[03:52:43] <uio1> that was when it wasn't connecting.
• 676[03:53:22] <phogg> uio1: that says to me that the interface was already up. I can't remember exactly what that means, though.
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• 678[03:53:32] <cryptodan_mobile> The syslog ir kern.log should provide why
• 679[03:53:40] <uio1> replaced-url
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• 681[03:54:16] <phogg> uio1: wlan0 is not mentioned. Do you have anything in /etc/network/interfaces.d/ ?
• 682[03:54:28] <uio1> Could the fact that I installed lxqt, which I think uses connmann and then lxde have produced a conflict?
• 683[03:55:09] <phogg> uio1: It's not impossible, but Debian is pretty good about making sure that packages don't conflict in surprising ways like that.
• 684[03:55:34] <uio1> phogg: Empty.
• 685[03:56:05] <phogg> uio1: Again, I don't know what it *should* look like for network manager but for me, where I don't use that, I have an entry for wlan0 in interfaces.
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• 687[03:56:19] <uio1> hmmmm
• 688[03:56:51] <uio1> can I just add a dhclient line?
• 689[03:56:53] <phogg> uio1: this is part of mine: replaced-url
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• 691[03:57:21] <uio1> Will I break something if I just add that?
• 692[03:57:28] <phogg> uio1: create a file in /etc/network/interfaces.d and put that content in the file
• 693[03:57:48] <phogg> uio1: can it get more broken than "doesn't work"? If anything does go wrong just delete the file
• 694[03:58:21] <uio1> phogg: What should I call the folder?
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• 696[03:58:33] <uio1> for me interfaces.d is a folder?
• 697[03:58:49] <phogg> uio1: a folder is a directory when viewed with a desktop metaphor
• 698[03:58:50] <uio1> *What should I call the file, interfaces.d is a folder for me
• 699[03:58:58] <phogg> uio1: anything you like
• 700[03:59:00] <phogg> how about "wifi"
• 701[03:59:01] <cryptodan_mobile> uio1: run "dmesg | nc termbin.com 9999" share link
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• 704[04:00:31] <uio1> cryptodan_mobile: What information does this give? Anything location sensitive?
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• 707[04:00:47] <cryptodan_mobile> No it doesnt
• 708[04:01:20] <uio1> cryptodan_mobile: cool, just checking!
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• 710[04:01:32] <cryptodan_mobile> It provides current boot with errors while running.
• 711[04:01:35] <phogg> uio1: when in doubt review the output first.
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• 713[04:01:46] <phogg> it dumps the contents of the kernel ring buffer, to be specific
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• 715[04:03:28] <uio1> replaced-url
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• 720[04:06:43] <cryptodan_mobile> uio1: 0.0: Microcode SW error detected. Restarting 0x2000000. [ 818.833923] iwl4965
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• 722[04:07:18] <uio1> cryptodan_mobile: What does this mean??
• 723[04:07:44] <cryptodan_mobile> It might mean you may need a newer kernel
• 724[04:07:55] <phogg> well there's your problem
• 725[04:08:50] <uio1> How do I do that?
• 726[04:08:53] <cryptodan_mobile> uio1: what kernel do you have
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• 728[04:09:00] <uio1> I don't know...
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• 730[04:09:44] <uio1> 4.9.0-8-amd64
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• 732[04:11:47] <cryptodan_mobile> uio1: did you install iwlegacy driver
• 733[04:14:09] <uio1> Is that a package?
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• 736[04:15:04] <uio1> firmware-iwlwifi is newest version.
• 737[04:15:24] <cryptodan_mobile> Look for iwlegacy
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• 740[04:17:18] <uio1> cryptodan_mobile: I did this : replaced-url
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• 743[04:18:52] <cryptodan_mobile> That should do it
• 744[04:19:04] <dvs> from jessie?
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• 748[04:21:33] <uio1> cryptodan_mobile: Okay, here's hoping. Thanks.
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• 773[04:54:56] <uio> !test
• 774[04:54:56] <dpkg> Test failed.
• 775[04:55:01] <uio> mince
• 776[04:56:30] <jim> !botsnack
• 777[04:56:30] <dpkg> jim: aw, gee
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• 784[04:58:12] <jim> ok... I have someone who's running xfce (from debian 9) and I'd like to know, are there python bindings for doing things like making objects that appear on the screen?
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• 789[05:07:44] <aloo_shu> afaik x11, tk, gtk, qt and the like are putting stuff on the screen, the DE is merely doing their bidding and choosing some theming, so you'd have to look for python bindings to these
• 790[05:08:34] <aloo_shu> e.g. with a search in pkg name & description in aptitude or synaptic
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• 794[05:09:54] <aloo_shu> although, widgets could be an exception, or notifications
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• 796[05:13:05] <jim> do you know which library (wigit) that xfce uses?
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• 798[05:13:54] <n4dir> i'd assume gtk
• 799[05:14:06] <jim> hopefully this wouldn't be too hard, it's so that he could learn python and learn git
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• 803[05:14:55] <n4dir> on void i get pygkt as a result, not on debian stable, there something like python-gtk2
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• 882[07:14:57] <ellyacht> Is there a sabayon Linux channel?
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• 888[07:16:09] <n4dir> is your web-browser broken? :-)
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• 909[07:35:44] <phil_azing> Is this the best place to ask about using qxl to have dual screens on a win10 guest with a debian stretch kvm host?
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• 911[07:36:54] <tharkun> Good $DAY I have an 8Gb usb stick but I am trying to install Debian iso dvd image on it but it now reports that it has only 1Gb of capacity, how can I fix this?
• 912[07:37:49] <tharkun> phil_azing: Is your question about debian, yes this is the place if it is about windows I don't think so. Chances are there is a better place for it.
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• 915[07:41:02] <phil_azing> I don't know where the problem lies. I have a VM and added a second QXL video via Virtual Machine Manager. When I boot the screen looks like it has faulty hardware.
• 916[07:42:01] <phil_azing> The image is broken up and has 3 images. I was wondering if the virtual hardware conflicts on the default setup.
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• 918[07:45:39] <phil_azing> tharkun, I think that once you dd the install media to the stick it only reports the size of the source image till you reformat the stick.
• 919[07:46:53] <tharkun> phil_azing: I tried to reformat it but it says Last sector, +sectors or +size{K,M,G,T,P} (2048-2016799, default 2016799): yet the actual size should be 7082881 which is around 7.5G
• 920[07:47:01] <tharkun> fdisk
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• 929[07:51:57] <phil_azing> Did you try writing a new label? I don't know much about sticks so I am only guessing.
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• 936[07:53:24] <tharkun> phil_azing: I've taken notes. I am kind of tired and I might screw things further so I will go have some sleep and finish off tomorrow. Thanks for your time and i wish you the best of luck with your virtual video card :)
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• 949[08:00:38] <nevivurn> Hi, I'm looking into enabling LDAP authentication for a server. I'm confused about how LDAP itself works, however. Is it necessary to send the list of users and such to the server where the user is authenticating from the ldap server?
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• 951[08:01:26] <nevivurn> We currently have something that works like that, but I'd like to know if it is possible to authenticate and only send the information (uid, etc.) of the user that is authenticating
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• 962[08:10:53] <altker128> nevivurn: Can you be more specific when you say 'for a server' ? Are you talking about normal Linux user accounts, or something more specific like a web service?
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• 965[08:11:20] <nevivurn> Ah, normal linux accounts
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• 968[08:11:52] <nevivurn> Looking into our current configuration, we use the ldap plugin for pam, but we're having issues with the ldap server being unable to serve many servers at the same time
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• 971[08:12:12] <nevivurn> since it's having to retrieve and serve the entire user directory on every auth (I think)
• 972[08:12:14] <altker128> nevivurn: OK. So you need to modify the PAM configuration to authenticating against LDAP
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• 974[08:13:51] <altker128> nevivurn: This is the first guide I found, I don't know at all that it's up to date, but it gives you an example : replaced-url
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• 976[08:14:15] <nevivurn> will look over
• 977[08:14:31] <altker128> nevivurn: replaced-url
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• 980[08:18:51] <altker128> nevivurn: Which LDAP server are you using?
• 981[08:18:57] <altker128> nevivurn: How many computers?
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• 983[08:19:37] <nevivurn> We have our own ldap server implementation (not sure if it's the ldap server's issue), and ~100 computers/servers that are authenticating with it.
• 984[08:19:59] <nevivurn> I'm just really confused why we need to fetch the entire user directory to authenticate a single user
• 985[08:20:14] <altker128> nevivurn: You shouldn't have to do that, that doesn't sound correct.
• 986[08:20:37] <altker128> nevivurn: The LDAP client should present the unique_identifier (usually uid) to the server and authenticate the password
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• 988[08:21:54] <nevivurn> I'm overall quite unfamiliar with LDAP. In general, I've been led to believe that user sends something like (user, pass) to the ldap server to authenticate, and the server says "yes" or "no", plus additional info (posix uid, etc.) as needed
• 989[08:21:58] <nevivurn> Is this correct?
• 990[08:23:30] <nevivurn> I'll have do a deep dive to determine if our system actually serves the entire user directory soon, I guess.
• 991[08:23:49] <altker128> That's not too far from it
• 992[08:24:48] <altker128> Sometimes a service needs to "bind" to access an LDAP server, that can be done anonymous (no password needed) or authenticated (w/pass). That's more for things like a wiki software needed to read a user's e-mail address attribute, etc.
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• 996[08:28:32] <nevivurn> That makes sense. What is the "typical" authentication flow with pam_ldap, then? From a cursory scan, it looks like BIND as some system user, then look up with that session the uid & check password within that session?
• 997[08:28:50] <nevivurn> In order to authenticate incoming users
• 998[08:29:38] <altker128> Honestly, I've only tried PAM-LDAP once, awhile back. I've been using LDAP mainly for providing login/credentials for a lot of self-served internal sites (wiki, version control, etc)
• 999[08:30:56] <nevivurn> I guess I'll spend the rest of the day researching this. Thanks a lot for the help!
• 1000[08:31:21] <altker128> Hope it was helpful
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• 1056[09:15:28] <gidna> hello
• 1057[09:15:33] <gidna> I am ecnountering this error: linux-007r smartd[846]: Device: /dev/sda [SAT], 17 Currently unreadable (pending) sectors
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• 1068[09:24:30] <SwedeMike> gidna: that typically means you should replace that drive, it now has 17 sectors that have read errors.
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• 1201[10:56:08] <nidhoegger> hi, i have a weird problem. i have a new laptop and installed stretch. When pressing Alt+F2 in MATE to open the run box, it will kick me directly to the tty, like when pressing Ctrl+Alt+F2
• 1202[10:56:33] <nidhoegger> can I somehow fix that behaviour? so that it will switch from X to tty with ctrl+alt+F<n> instead of alt+F<n>?
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• 1264[11:35:38] <nidhoegger> hmmmmm I got a "Intel Corporation Cannon Point-LP CNVi [Wireless-AC] (rev 30)" wlan card in my notebook... is there a way to get this running on stretch?
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• 1272[11:44:13] <nidhoegger> nobody any idea?
• 1273[11:44:21] <nidhoegger> it seems that its the hard-wired in-cpu wireless adapter
• 1274[11:44:38] <altker128> Try lspci
• 1275[11:44:44] <nidhoegger> and then?
• 1276[11:44:47] <GNU\colossus> nidhoegger, if linux 4.9 can't do it, I guess the backports kernel image should be able to
• 1277[11:44:49] <altker128> See the model and do an online search
• 1278[11:45:01] <GNU\colossus> (maybe with up-to-date intel wifi ucode)
• 1279[11:45:13] <nidhoegger> altker128, thank you very much for this support. did not think of that to do. /sarkasm
• 1280[11:45:18] <nidhoegger> thank you GNU\colossus I will try to
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• 1282[11:46:24] <GNU\colossus> if the driver needs firmware and fails to find it, it will complain in the debug ringbuffer (`sudo dmesg`)
• 1283[11:47:15] <GNU\colossus> replaced-url
• 1284[11:47:45] <nidhoegger> wow, thank you very much!
• 1285[11:48:31] <GNU\colossus> replaced-url
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• 1287[11:48:35] <GNU\colossus> looks good :)
• 1288[11:48:39] <nidhoegger> great :D
• 1289[11:48:54] <nidhoegger> just figuring out how to install the backports kernel atm :P never used backports
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• 1291[11:49:10] <nidhoegger> hmmm.. when we are at it: how stable is buster?
• 1292[11:49:15] <GNU\colossus> if you can't get your card to work with both linux-image-amd64 and firmware-iwlwifi installed from backports, chances are there's just no Linux support for that device (yet)
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• 1294[11:49:31] <nidhoegger> i mean the soft-freeze should come at 12. Jan if i am not wrong, so it should be pretty usable by now?
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• 1296[11:49:57] <GNU\colossus> I'd advise to stick with Debian Stable (and augment "necessary" packages with releases from backports) if you can
• 1297[11:50:08] <nidhoegger> okay
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• 1299[11:50:09] <GNU\colossus> but yes, buster seems pretty usable to me
• 1300[11:51:12] <nidhoegger> i think ill try to use buster on another HDD, then I can swap back to stretch if neccessary
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• 1302[11:52:25] <altker128> nidhoegger: Which brand/model laptop?
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• 1304[11:52:54] <nidhoegger> urgh... its an acer aspire 5 A515-52G-53PU
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• 1306[11:53:10] <nidhoegger> 8th gen intel i5 (whiskey lake)
• 1307[11:53:40] <altker128> It looks like the CNVi stuff is pretty different than standard PCIe/M.2 WiFI
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• 1309[11:53:55] <nidhoegger> from what I have found its embedded in the CPU now
• 1310[11:54:10] <nidhoegger> searching for infos is pretty hard as 99% what you find are just news sites reporting about that
• 1311[11:54:17] <altker128> replaced-url
• 1312[11:54:20] <altker128> If you want some gory details
• 1313[11:54:21] <nidhoegger> thats why I did not find usable informations, also my DMESG is pretty silent about that
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• 1315[11:58:15] <nidhoegger> booting with new kernel... lets see what happens :D
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• 1318[11:59:07] <nidhoegger> firmware missing, so I think i need to install it manually
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• 1323[12:00:00] <nidhoegger> strange, the correct firmware is in the backports package...
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• 1326[12:00:19] <__m4ch1n3__> nidhoegger, firmware for what?
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• 1328[12:00:24] <nidhoegger> wifi
• 1329[12:00:56] <__m4ch1n3__> wifi firmware is in most cases in nonfree repo
• 1330[12:01:28] <nidhoegger> yeah, found out that I need to add it for the backports, too
• 1331[12:01:31] <nidhoegger> my brain is afk toda
• 1332[12:01:32] <nidhoegger> today
• 1333[12:02:01] <__m4ch1n3__> try install "firmware-iwlwifi" package
• 1334[12:02:25] <__m4ch1n3__> oh wait is it intel wifi chip
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• 1336[12:02:32] <nidhoegger> working like a charm, thank you very much GNU\colossus
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• 1340[12:04:17] <GNU\colossus> nidhoegger, glad to read that :) have fun!
• 1341[12:04:44] <nidhoegger> i will, thanks :)
• 1342[12:05:02] <nidhoegger> i think i should make a remark in the wiki about that issue on stretch
• 1343[12:05:06] <nidhoegger> "issue"
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• 1346[12:07:22] <nidhoegger> wow, now wired network is not working anymore
• 1347[12:07:26] <nidhoegger> i hate new hardware :/
• 1348[12:07:30] <nidhoegger> ill try to go with buster
• 1349[12:09:36] <GNU\colossus> nidhoegger, but that worked with the old kernel/fw?
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• 1351[12:09:47] <nidhoegger> yes, that worked, its a generic realtek card
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• 1353[12:10:04] <GNU\colossus> are you sure the interface name is still the same?
• 1354[12:10:18] <nidhoegger> i dont manage it myself, so it should not matter
• 1355[12:10:29] <nidhoegger> network manager detects the card, but cannot get a connection
• 1356[12:10:37] <nidhoegger> the green thingy endlessly looks
• 1357[12:10:39] <nidhoegger> *loops
• 1358[12:10:43] <GNU\colossus> I see. how does "does not work any more" manifest? does the kernel say anything in particular?
• 1359[12:10:54] <nidhoegger> nothing in the dmesg, firmware gets loaded properly
• 1360[12:11:01] <GNU\colossus> can you bring the interface up manally? ip link set dev <yourif> up
• 1361[12:11:29] <nidhoegger> i cant, the buster installer is running atm :) i think the hardware is just too new for stretch
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• 1363[12:11:42] <GNU\colossus> you could try moving the firmware out of the way, then reboot. maybe it's the cause for your troubles (rtl cards generally work without fw installed)
• 1364[12:12:00] <nidhoegger> ill try definitivley later
• 1365[12:12:07] <nidhoegger> have the stretch SSD still here
• 1366[12:12:12] <nidhoegger> as soon as the buster installer finished
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• 1376[12:16:43] <__m4ch1n3__> which realtek chip is it rt8???
• 1377[12:17:50] <__m4ch1n3__> replaced-url
• 1378[12:18:40] <altker128> lspci ...
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• 1380[12:19:15] <nidhoegger> altker128, lspci wont solve any issues. the firmware is installed, i know which card, it worked with the stretch kernel, it does not with the backports, ill try what GNU\colossus wrote as I suspect its the same thing
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• 1382[12:21:05] <__m4ch1n3__> if you want to make a fresh buster installation i would recommand to use this installation media replaced-url
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• 1388[12:22:55] <nidhoegger> m4ch1n3 (why cant your name be tabbed?): thats what I used, thanks
• 1389[12:23:25] <nidhoegger> wow, on buster the network card gets really messy in the dmesg (but severity is always "corrected")
• 1390[12:23:33] <__m4ch1n3__> unofficial/including-firmware installation should be able use any wifi hardware instantly after installation outofthebox
• 1391[12:23:34] <nidhoegger> lets see if it gets better with the firmware installed
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• 1394[12:24:08] <nidhoegger> wifi seems to be initalized properly on buster
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• 1396[12:24:14] <__m4ch1n3__> must be your irc client, i can tab my name :D
• 1397[12:24:26] <nidhoegger> but the system locks up on boot for about 20 seconds
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• 1399[12:24:53] <nidhoegger> after login to X the complete computer locks up
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• 1401[12:25:21] <__m4ch1n3__> locks up?
• 1402[12:25:39] <otyugh> heya. I want to set "systemd wide" a custom environement variable PATH ("export PATH=") ; problem is /etc/profile only apply for shell login and not X session. Any idea ?
• 1403[12:25:53] <nidhoegger> locks up, not responding
• 1404[12:26:02] <nidhoegger> not even a kernel panic
• 1405[12:26:38] <__m4ch1n3__> otyugh, edit "/etc/environment" ?
• 1406[12:27:17] <__m4ch1n3__> echo 'FOO=BAR' >> /etc/environment
• 1407[12:28:07] <nidhoegger> it reacts al few seconds, I get this on tty: rcu_sched detected stalls on CPUs/tasks
• 1408[12:28:09] <__m4ch1n3__> maybe you need close session/logout before changes take place
• 1409[12:28:20] <nidhoegger> an Watchdof detected hard lockup on cpu 1
• 1410[12:28:31] <otyugh> __m4ch1n3__ : yeah, but this file is blank as default. I don't get where it is set up first the default PATH, do you know ?
• 1411[12:28:34] <nidhoegger> and BUG: soft lockup
• 1412[12:28:36] <nidhoegger> in systemd
• 1413[12:29:20] <nidhoegger> seems to be a noveau issue
• 1414[12:29:32] <__m4ch1n3__> otyugh, just add a line "YOUR_ENVIROMENT_VARIABLE=YOUR_VALUE" to /etc/environment for evey variable
• 1415[12:30:09] <__m4ch1n3__> cat /etc/environment
• 1416[12:30:09] <__m4ch1n3__> QT_AUTO_SCREEN_SCALE_FACTOR=0
• 1417[12:30:27] <__m4ch1n3__> my /etc/environment
• 1418[12:30:44] <otyugh> __m4ch1n3__ i hear that, but I still don't get how PATH is initialized in X environement. There is no default PATH set up as default in /etc/environement, and still, it's set.
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• 1421[12:33:37] <__m4ch1n3__> oh sorry default PATH values should be in /etc/login.defs
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• 1424[12:34:23] <__m4ch1n3__> ENV_SUPATH PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin
• 1425[12:34:24] <__m4ch1n3__> ENV_PATH PATH=/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games
• 1426[12:34:26] <otyugh> __m4ch1n3__, I tried to change it too ! It does change the root PATH correctly, not the user's one. It's written in the man that /etc/login.defs might be obsolete
• 1427[12:34:32] <otyugh> yeah I tried just that
• 1428[12:35:07] <otyugh> this is very confusing for "core" files
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• 1430[12:35:19] <__m4ch1n3__> <__m4ch1n3__> maybe you need close session/logout before changes take place
• 1431[12:35:36] <otyugh> yep I rebooted
• 1432[12:35:41] <otyugh> (I'm using a vm)
• 1433[12:36:31] <__m4ch1n3__> what does "echo $PATH" return?
• 1434[12:36:51] <nidhoegger> with a little tweaking all is working no on buster, thanks again for your help GNU\colossus
• 1435[12:36:52] <otyugh> the default is unchanged
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• 1438[12:37:14] <GNU\colossus> nidhoegger, interesting; what did you tweak specifically?
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• 1441[12:38:15] <nidhoegger> i needed to disable pcie_aspm and needed to append noloop, nomux, nopnp and reset to the i8042 module (so the touchpad works)
• 1442[12:38:28] <nidhoegger> also noveau is completly useless and I needed to go with the nvidia card
• 1443[12:38:32] <nidhoegger> *nvidia driver
• 1444[12:38:42] <__m4ch1n3__> paste current PATH value and explain in detail what you want change
• 1445[12:38:46] <otyugh> __m4ch1n3__, echo $PATH : /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games/usr/games (when, as ENV_PATH I had set a ":/test" at the end)
• 1446[12:39:05] <otyugh> And I did reboot I must add.
• 1447[12:39:46] <__m4ch1n3__> you dont need to reboot just logout and login
• 1448[12:39:58] <otyugh> well, doesn't work then.
• 1449[12:40:14] <__m4ch1n3__> so you want have :/test in PATH systemwide for all users?
• 1450[12:40:32] <otyugh> I first want to understand before doing the real thing.
• 1451[12:41:01] <__m4ch1n3__> echo 'PATH=$PATH:/test' >> /etc/environment
• 1452[12:42:58] <otyugh> I guess you answered me with right the pointers several time (I took hours to find them myself already). Thanks you for your time and sharing knowledge :)
• 1453[12:43:36] <__m4ch1n3__> but think its a bad idea to change PATH systemwide, i would change it for a certain user
• 1454[12:44:14] <otyugh> I thought it would be better practice to change this in "one place" than for "every user" where a beginner could delete it
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• 1456[12:44:28] <__m4ch1n3__> I would add 'PATH=$PATH:/test to /home/youruser/.bashrc
• 1457[12:44:46] <__m4ch1n3__> export PATH=$PATH:/test
• 1458[12:44:48] <__m4ch1n3__> sorry
• 1459[12:45:33] <otyugh> I get the point. Thanks again
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• 1466[12:47:32] <nidhoegger> can I somehow see if my notebook uses nvidia optimus and if so, which is the active GPU?
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• 1469[12:48:18] <towo^work> nidhoegger, lspci | ergrep -i "vga|3d|display" would tell you, if it is optimus
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• 1471[12:49:04] <towo^work> nidhoegger, and on optimus, the intel is alleways the active gpu, since it is the only piece of hardware, which is connected to any output
• 1472[12:49:29] <nidhoegger> so it is optimus
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• 1474[12:49:43] <nidhoegger> i get the intel GPU as VGA and the nvidia as 3D
• 1475[12:50:51] <nidhoegger> the funny thing is that my GPU is not listed on the nvidia page as optimus compatible (MX150)
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• 1477[12:51:35] <towo^work> nidhoegger, is it a notebook?
• 1478[12:51:42] <nidhoegger> yes
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• 1480[12:51:51] <__m4ch1n3__> towo^work, intel is active by default but not always :3
• 1481[12:51:54] <nidhoegger> and glxinfo outputs right now that GLX is missing on my display :/
• 1482[12:51:58] <towo^work> if yes, 99% of all hybrid graphics intel/nvidia notebooks are optimus
• 1483[12:52:19] <__m4ch1n3__> you can run X server on nvidia gpu only
• 1484[12:52:23] <towo^work> __m4ch1n3__, sure it is, the dgpu is connected to nowhere on optimus
• 1485[12:52:39] <towo^work> so all screen content is rendered to the intel framebuffer
• 1486[12:52:50] <nidhoegger> i think that is what I will go for
• 1487[12:52:52] <__m4ch1n3__> no
• 1488[12:53:00] <__m4ch1n3__> replaced-url
• 1489[12:53:02] <nidhoegger> or try bumblebee, but that made problems in my past experience
• 1490[12:53:18] <towo^work> prime is offscreen rendering
• 1491[12:53:31] <towo^work> and even goes trough the intel framebuffer
• 1492[12:53:38] <__m4ch1n3__> bumblebee is a pile of shit,
• 1493[12:53:45] <towo^work> again on optimus the dgpu is not connected to any output
• 1494[12:54:27] <__m4ch1n3__> yes but you can pass nvidia through, intel is only used as display port and for native X sync
• 1495[12:54:40] <__m4ch1n3__> *vsync
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• 1501[12:56:40] <__m4ch1n3__> took me 2 years to figure out how to do that, offscreenrendering botleneck is the frametransport, bumblebee makes only sense for dedicated cuda computations and has very poor glx performance
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• 1504[12:59:33] <__m4ch1n3__> replaced-url
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• 1506[13:01:04] <__m4ch1n3__> csgo runs 4x frames per second on nvidia gpu only then on bumblebee on my machine
• 1507[13:01:10] <__m4ch1n3__> *with
• 1508[13:01:40] <__m4ch1n3__> have a nvidia gtx 850m
• 1509[13:02:06] <__m4ch1n3__> but get rid of screentearing is rly tricky
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• 1511[13:03:27] <__m4ch1n3__> but finaly 8 years after optimus was introduced its possible to use nvidia only with X native vsync support and no screentearing
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• 1517[13:06:36] <__m4ch1n3__> the trick is, it works only if "device intel" sectiom is before "device nvidia" section in xorg.conf
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• 1589[14:09:47] <Dereckson> Hi, we've an old machine to upgrade from squeeze to wheezy. After having updated the sources, apt upgrade found two packages to update, but then apt dist-upgrade does nothing. dpkg --audit doesn't report any special issue.
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• 1592[14:10:49] <Dereckson> Oh, it was a squeeze-lts
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• 1594[14:13:33] <nidhoegger> how can I switch the GLX implementations?
• 1595[14:13:36] <nidhoegger> or list them?
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• 1598[14:15:10] <__m4ch1n3__> update-glx --list glx
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• 1601[14:15:27] <nidhoegger> which one is the intel glx? mesa-diverted?
• 1602[14:15:35] <__m4ch1n3__> yes
• 1603[14:16:22] <__m4ch1n3__> but it will only work if the certain gpu kernel module is loaded and used
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• 1607[14:18:27] <nidhoegger> it is loaded. i just wrote a script that can switch between dedicated nvidia card and intel GPU
• 1608[14:18:39] <nidhoegger> I can now do "set_dedicated <on/off>"
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• 1614[14:20:00] <abrotman> Dereckson: did you run apt-get update after updating sources?
• 1615[14:20:01] <__m4ch1n3__> update-glx --config glx
• 1616[14:20:14] <__m4ch1n3__> prompts an interactive menu
• 1617[14:20:29] <nidhoegger> its automated already by my script, thanks!
• 1618[14:20:30] <__m4ch1n3__> ant lets you chose glx driver
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• 1620[14:20:54] <nidhoegger> works just awesome
• 1621[14:21:07] <Dereckson> abrotman: yes
• 1622[14:21:32] <abrotman> Dereckson: is it working now, or no ?
• 1623[14:22:23] <Dereckson> nope, it succeeds with 0 packages to update
• 1624[14:22:39] <abrotman> Dereckson: pastebin your sources.list
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• 1632[14:27:11] <Dereckson> abrotman: here you are: replaced-url
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• 1662[14:43:53] <nidhoegger> hungrywolf, which distro?
• 1663[14:44:14] <nidhoegger> libssl 1.0.0 is outdated as far as i know, but you can install the one for jessie (e.g. I do that manually for spotify)
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• 1674[14:51:24] <hungrywolf> nidhoegger: I am running a raspbian stretch
• 1675[14:51:40] <hungrywolf> I am trying to run a prebuilt binary that was made for jessie
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• 1690[14:57:54] <nidhoegger> hungrywolf, libssl 1.0.0 is not in stretch anymore
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• 1692[14:58:09] <nidhoegger> just go to packages.debian.org and download the jessie version and install with dpkg, it should work fine then
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• 1740[15:22:23] <GNU\colossus> does anyone of you run/use wireguard on a Debian-powered host yet?
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• 1752[15:33:05] <tharkun> I am beeing asked by one machine to install b43/ucode15.fw yet apt-file search is unable to find it. Can someone point me to that file please?
• 1753[15:33:28] <cryptodan> tharkun: what device is it
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• 1755[15:33:51] <tharkun> Some network hardware
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• 1759[15:34:38] <cryptodan> well you will need to find out the model number so we can pinpoint you to the right source for the right driver install
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• 1761[15:35:13] <greycat> tharkun: lspci -nn may be helpful
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• 1763[15:35:39] <tharkun> greycat: This is a new install so that is out of a question
• 1764[15:36:05] <cryptodan> lspci should still be there
• 1765[15:36:26] <greycat> did you even *try*?
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• 1767[15:36:50] <greycat> pciutils is a "standard" package
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• 1779[15:41:54] <uio> Accidently did tar -zxvf in su. How do I find the extracted files?
• 1780[15:42:12] <greycat> scroll up, since you used v the filenames are printed in the terminal
• 1781[15:42:53] <cryptodan> would be where ever su was logged into is where the files would be so if you were su - they would be /root
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• 1783[15:43:01] <uio> greycat, It's not there...
• 1784[15:43:21] <greycat> What do you mean?
• 1785[15:43:24] <uio> cryptodan, Not there either.
• 1786[15:43:25] <greycat> Did you close the terminal afterward?
• 1787[15:43:32] <uio> greycat, The files don't show up.
• 1788[15:43:38] <uio> greycat, No, it's open
• 1789[15:43:39] <greycat> WHAT do you see on the screen
• 1790[15:43:54] <cryptodan> uio: use the arrow up key and see the command you ran as su
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• 1796[15:46:09] <uio> I ran tar -zxvf pathtofile
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• 1799[15:46:36] <uio> in /home/USER#
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• 1801[15:46:47] <uio> But can't find the extracted files.
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• 1803[15:47:04] <uio> Quick question about tar z though, this will archive the whole directory?
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• 1805[15:47:15] <uio> if it specified in the path?
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• 1807[15:47:41] <cryptodan> uio then look in /home/user for the file
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• 1809[15:48:27] <uio> cryptodan, Not there either....
• 1810[15:48:55] <cryptodan> what was the file name you gave it
• 1811[15:48:57] <greycat> ... no. Just fucking NO. I am not dealing with this [redacted] who cannot show us what is on the screen, who cannot show us what command he ran, who cannot show us what directory he is in. NO! NO! NO!
• 1812[15:49:13] <greycat> NEXT!
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• 1815[15:50:12] <uio> greycat, Wow, have a cup of tea!
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• 1817[15:50:39] <dvs> I don't blame him
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• 1819[15:50:47] <uio> greycat, Maybe too long on IRC today?
• 1820[15:52:11] <pcods> Since Debian users tend to be much more intellectual as a whole than nearly all OSX fanboys, would I be out of line to reach out here for help cracking a MacBook login? Por Favor?
• 1821[15:52:11] <Old_Dog> uio: I don't blame him either. You understand, don't you, that the folks here are all volunteers trying to help. The least you could do is cooperate and give them the information they ask for.
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• 1829[15:54:20] <fboender> uio: you need to show us the *actual* thing you did, not just "yeah, something with tar and somefilename". As in, just copy-paste it from your terminal into some pastebin. Inlcuding the command you run, and its output. Otherwise, we'll have to guess for half an hour about something that's completely obvious, if only we could see what you did and what the output was.
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• 1831[15:55:05] <uio> Old_Dog, I was, honestly, trying. But, thank you, and fboender, for actually explaining things. greycat: Go take a long walk to get some air!
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• 1833[15:56:34] <cryptodan> pcods: you might find out on the mac forums or apple.com on how to reset your mac password
• 1834[15:56:43] <uio> I ran this command: root@computer:/home/user# tar -zxvf /home/user/.Archives/email_archive
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• 1836[15:57:09] <uio> Would other infos be helpful?
• 1837[15:57:23] <cryptodan> that would unzip email_archive not create it
• 1838[15:57:24] <dvs> uio, I doubt email_archive is a tar file
• 1839[15:57:47] <dvs> uio, you are trying to extract a tar file, not create one
• 1840[15:58:13] <uio> First I did : root@computer:/home/user# tar -zxvf /home/user/.Archives/email_archive
• 1841[15:58:17] <cryptodan> so if you are trying to create email_archive it would be "sudo tar -cvf email_archive.tar /path/to/email/you/want/to/backup
• 1842[15:59:09] <uio> I've got it all wrong. Sorry.
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• 1845[15:59:23] <greycat> I would strongly recommend NOT feeding absolute pathnames to tar. GNU tar will even yell at you for it, and strip the leading slashes out of your absolute pathnames.
• 1846[15:59:48] <uio> greycat, Okay, thanks for the advice!
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• 1848[16:00:08] <tharkun> greycat, cryptodan: I opted for skiping entirely the hardware networking firmware isue. I will retrieve the files later on. I just need the package name which I think I will get from the system itself later on.
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• 1850[16:00:28] <uio> Sorry, I've got to go, but I'll be back later, or perhaps tomorrow to look at this!
• 1851[16:00:39] <uio> Thanks all (even greycat :) )
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• 1853[16:00:48] <n4dir> uio: give "locate" a try.
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• 1904[16:27:24] <ircusertest> Do some of you have some experience with secure erase/manually TRIM an SSD from a server? Guides I found online are recommending against issuing from a RAID/SAS controller.
• 1905[16:29:26] <ircusertest> The server I have doesn't have any SATA ports directly attached(except the optical drive). All the drives are connected through a SAS/SATA controller.
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• 1907[16:31:15] <ircusertest> I want to resize the overprovisioning space and this guide seems to be a good guide: replaced-url
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• 1911[16:32:09] <ircusertest> It recommends to erase secure/trim manually if the drive was already used.
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• 1914[16:32:34] <SwedeMike> ircusertest: I have performed the secure erase procedure myself. It worked fine from all I could tell. I was using it on a regular SATA port though.
• 1915[16:33:22] <SwedeMike> ircusertest: I did that with 4 old SSDs and a HDD I had around (the HDD started behaving weirdly because of a PSU problem but was fine after performing a secure erase)
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• 1922[16:35:56] <ircusertest> I have a lenovo server, but only have remote access to it. I has a sas/sata controller flash for independent drives(for ZFS) to have full access to the drives. In theory it should work, but I thought to check online first if some of you have some experience with this kind of thing.
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• 1992[17:30:02] <benrob0329> My debian testing install's initramfs has stopped working for some strange reason
• 1993[17:30:15] <benrob0329> it no longer sees my root drive, but the older initramfs does
• 1994[17:30:27] <benrob0329> as does a live usb
• 1995[17:30:41] <benrob0329> I hadn't updated before this started
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• 1998[17:31:12] <benrob0329> and I've checked both the boot arguments in grub and the fstab, the UUIDs are correct
• 1999[17:31:30] <benrob0329> anf I've lsinitramfs'ed it, and the right driver is loaded
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• 2001[17:31:38] <benrob0329> er, included
• 2002[17:32:22] <chicognu> I burned a cd (yes, a cd, don't ask way, too complicated to explain ;) ) and it was my last CD, and guess what, md5sum don't match. I copy the cd to a ISO file and I mounted both isos, the one I download, and the one on CD-ROM and compared both by using: diff --recursive --no-dereference --new-file --no-ignore-file-name-case debian1 debian2 > dirdiff_1.txt . This command only shows diference into one single package, and it is non essential to
• 2003[17:32:23] <chicognu> me (VLC) my question: This command compare all packages into the .iso file ? Can I use this cd for installation ?
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• 2025[17:49:09] <LiuYan> Hi, anyone know why linux-image 4.19 in debian does not have mt76x0 module? In fedora, there is mt76x0 module in kernel-4.19.13-300.fc29
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• 2027[17:50:59] <LiuYan> Btw, mt76x0 is the driver for mediatek wireless
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• 2031[17:52:48] <dvs> LiuYan, That module isn't even in the kernel config file
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• 2038[17:58:39] <LiuYan> dvs: i'm not sure, i found replaced-url
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• 2045[18:02:15] <LiuYan> dvs: and i found '# CONFIG_MT76x0U is not set' in /boot/config-4.19.0-1-amd64
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• 2048[18:03:03] <vn971> Hi. Is it possible to define a specific keyboard layout during installation, e.g. "us colemak" or "us dvorak" ? I tried to search it on the internet, but failed to find anything useful.
• 2049[18:03:03] <dvs> ,kernels
• 2050[18:03:05] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.20.0-trunk-686-pae (4.20-1~exp1); sid: 4.19.0-1-686-pae (4.19.13-1); buster: 4.19.0-1-686-pae (4.19.12-1); stretch-backports: 4.18.0-0.bpo.3-686 (4.18.20-2~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-8-686-pae (4.9.130-2); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.8-686-pae (4.9.110-3+deb9u5~deb8u1); wheezy-backports:
• 2051[18:03:06] <judd> 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1)
• 2052[18:03:29] <dvs> LiuYan, You're running sid?
• 2053[18:03:56] <LiuYan> dvs: yes,
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• 2055[18:04:16] <dvs> sid is supported in #debian-next on OFTC
• 2056[18:04:20] <dvs> !debian-next
• 2057[18:04:20] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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• 2059[18:04:36] <LiuYan> dvs: oops, sorry
• 2060[18:04:45] <dvs> np
• 2061[18:05:01] <annadane> do specify if you're using sid before asking questions; the default debian release is stable so it makes sense to clarify that first
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• 2072[18:10:35] <LiuYan> annadane: sorry, I forgot testing and unstable are supported in #debian-next @ irc.oftc.net
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• 2076[18:11:43] <annadane> no problem, but regardless of other channels, even if sid were supported here it'd be good to specify one is using sid
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• 2080[18:11:56] <annadane> sid and stable are drastically different at this point in the release cycle anyway
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• 2086[18:15:17] <tharkun> For the time beeing I manged to connect the laptop which I am trying to install debian on to an ethernet cable and it is currently connected. I can ssh into it but it seem although the line deb replaced-url
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• 2092[18:16:49] <joepublic> is there also a similar line that just says "stretch" as opposed to "stretch-updates"?
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• 2095[18:18:06] <tharkun> joepublic: no, I am writing them down now. Wait a sec and I'll inform back
• 2096[18:19:06] <tharkun> joepublic: It seem to do the trick. Thanks
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• 2098[18:20:25] <joepublic> stretch-updates does not contain as many packages as stretch (stretch has them all; stretch-updates only has ones updated since the release of stretch)
• 2099[18:21:11] <tharkun> Thanks for the info. I totally missed the "-update" part.
• 2100[18:21:47] <znoteer> A few years ago I remember something called usermode linux or userland linux, or something like that that allowed you to run linux inside of linux. I'm looking for that now, but all I can find is UserLAnd which allows one to run linux on android, but I'm looking for the one for linux. Anyone know what I'm talking about?
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• 2107[18:25:50] <jmcnaught> znoteer: there is a user-mode-linux package to check out, but most people would use either containers (such as LXC or systemd-nspawn) or virtualization (such as libvirt/KVM, xen, or virtualbox) to run linux inside of linux now
• 2108[18:27:01] <tharkun> ,pciid 11ab:4354
• 2109[18:27:02] <judd> [11ab:4354] is '88E8040 PCI-E Fast Ethernet Controller' from 'Marvell Technology Group Ltd.' with kernel module 'sky2' in stretch. See also replaced-url
• 2110[18:27:31] <tharkun> ,pciid 14e4:4315
• 2111[18:27:32] <judd> [14e4:4315] is 'BCM4312 802.11b/g LP-PHY' from 'Broadcom Inc. and subsidiaries' with kernel module 'ssb' in stretch. See also replaced-url
• 2112[18:28:35] <znoteer> jmcnaught: aw, I was searching on usermode and userland, never thought of using a hyphen. Thanks. And, thanks for the update on virtualisation:)
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• 2129[18:41:05] <tharkun> What would be my weapon of choice to set wireless networking on a headless laptop?
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• 2161[18:53:18] <lavenders> do you guys know how to restart the keyboard service, i dropped to shell and connot enter anything but this chat
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• 2163[18:53:39] <lavenders> sudo service restart keyboard-manager?
• 2164[18:54:19] <annadane> sudo systemctl restart keyboard-setup.service maybe or console-setup.service
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• 2203[19:13:13] <Furibon> hello guys, I am trying to install "borgbackup" on my debian 9. I have added testing, unstable and stretch-backports to my sources.list.d/ (in one single file). When I try to install either from backports or testing, i got "held broken packages" (on a fresh debian 9.3/9.6). Examples: with stretch-backports replaced-url
• 2204[19:13:13] <Furibon> with testing replaced-url
• 2205[19:14:13] <Furibon> if I remove testing and unstable from my sources list, I can install it from backports without troubles. But I don't understand, I thought the "-t" switch would take care of this
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• 2208[19:15:08] <victorqueiroz> Hi, I'd like to create a package to replace freetype package. Is it possible?
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• 2217[19:21:12] <joepublic> have at it.
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• 2220[19:22:13] <annadane> Furibon, fyi adding testing/sid entries to a stable system is a _bad_ idea
• 2221[19:22:17] <annadane> !frankendebian
• 2222[19:22:18] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall>
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• 2227[19:23:04] <annadane> and, yes, if it's in backports install from backports using -t stretch-backports
• 2228[19:23:14] <Furibon> not working
• 2229[19:23:15] <annadane> ,v borgbackup
• 2230[19:23:16] <judd> Package: borgbackup on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 1.0.9-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.0.9-1; stretch-backports: 1.1.8-1~bpo9+1; buster: 1.1.8-1; sid: 1.1.8-1
• 2231[19:23:28] <annadane> how is it "not working"?
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• 2233[19:23:47] <Furibon> it's working only if i remove testing from my sources.list.d/file
• 2234[19:23:57] <Furibon> i don't understand why
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• 2237[19:24:22] <annadane> i don't either but i'd say just remove testing unless you need it for a specific reason/
• 2238[19:24:25] <annadane> ? *
• 2239[19:24:32] <Furibon> i need it to upgrade nano
• 2240[19:24:39] <greycat> ... wut
• 2241[19:24:45] <Furibon> 2.7 on oldstable, 3.2 on testing
• 2242[19:24:46] <greycat> I ... you ...
• 2243[19:24:53] <annadane> do you *need* a new version of nano?
• 2244[19:24:56] <Furibon> and it's not in backports
• 2245[19:25:01] <annadane> it's an incredibly simple editor
• 2246[19:25:05] <Furibon> yes, i don't remember why but i needed 2.9
• 2247[19:25:06] <whislock> That's... Wow.
• 2248[19:25:18] <greycat> I did not even realize nano was still being WORKED ON. Why?
• 2249[19:25:21] <annadane> ok. *why* did you need 2.9?
• 2250[19:25:38] <annadane> !xy problem
• 2251[19:25:38] <dpkg> Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See replaced-url
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• 2253[19:25:56] <Furibon> yes omg
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• 2259[19:27:01] <greycat> As for why there is no backport, I would imagine the overwhelming reason is because it... is... fucking... nano. And nobody cares about it.
• 2260[19:27:20] <greycat> ,v nano
• 2261[19:27:21] <judd> Package: nano on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.2.6-1+b1; jessie: 2.2.6-3; stretch: 2.7.4-1; buster: 3.2-1; sid: 3.2-1
• 2262[19:27:31] <greycat> ,checkbackport nano
• 2263[19:27:32] <judd> Backporting package nano in sid→stretch/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using stretch, stretch-backports.
• 2264[19:27:33] <Furibon> i have a fresh debian and i don't understand why i can't install a package from backports if i have testing enabled, i probably did something wrong but it's a fresh install
• 2265[19:27:40] <greycat> *plonk*
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• 2267[19:27:58] <whislock> Furibon: And what command did you enter to install something from backports?
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• 2269[19:28:14] <annadane> i don't understand why a package foo won't install if you apt -t stretch-backports install foo, but you shouldn't have testing anyway
• 2270[19:28:16] <Furibon> aptitude install -t stretch-backports
• 2271[19:28:20] <greycat> Wrong question. The question is, why the hell did you enable testing.
• 2272[19:28:39] <annadane> post your sources list? paste.debian.net
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• 2275[19:29:14] <greycat> You either use testing, exclusive-or, you use stable + backports. Not both. Never both.
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• 2279[19:29:48] <Furibon> replaced-url
• 2280[19:29:52] <annadane> and no one should ever need 2.9 for nano as opposed to 2.7
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• 2282[19:30:23] <annadane> so that's the sources.list.d entry...
• 2283[19:30:34] <Furibon> sources.list is default
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• 2285[19:30:49] <annadane> you don't even have stretch in it?
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• 2287[19:31:00] <annadane> oh, sorry. you mean that paste *is* sources.list.d
• 2288[19:31:03] <tharkun> !tell Furibon about ssb
• 2289[19:31:18] <annadane> i checked for the backport of borgbackup. python3-distutils is unsatisfiable
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• 2294[19:32:28] <annadane> ugh, never mind. it's already in backports. and you probably meant nano anyway. i give up, being especially stupid today
• 2295[19:32:38] <annadane> guys, help.
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• 2298[19:33:27] <greycat> There's no backport of nano, according to the bot, because, as I said, it's fucking NANO, and nobody uses nano. But, also according to the bot, it should be dead simple to make one. As one would expect from a tinker-toy editor.
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• 2306[19:34:48] <greycat> !start an editor war
• 2307[19:34:49] <dpkg> joe bites!
• 2308[19:34:57] <annadane> sometimes, people who think they "need" new programs, don't
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• 2310[19:35:10] <annadane> so why not tell us why you think you need a newer nano, you possibly don't...
• 2311[19:35:18] <annadane> but yes, it can be simply backported
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• 2313[19:35:40] <tharkun> There is an ssb factoid that you should have somewhere on your irc client.
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• 2322[19:41:24] <gusgg> My installation of Ubuntu 18.04 has the `import` command, at `/usr/bin/import`. I'm trying to find which package provides it (it's an imagemagick utility), but `dpkg-query -S $(which import)` returns nothing. Usually that works to tell me where a pacakage is installed. Any idea what may be going on?
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• 2324[19:41:43] <LtL> I use nano, i have to type with one thumb, i'm paralyzed. Is vi, vim, emacs better? well yeah but compination keystrokes are a bitch. I use them all but nano is easier so shoot me i reckon (please) :)
• 2325[19:41:45] <annadane> gusgg, debian is not ubuntu
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• 2327[19:41:55] <annadane> try asking them
• 2328[19:41:59] <LtL> *combination
• 2329[19:42:13] <Furibon> gonna ask somewhere else and will never leave nano as a retaliation
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• 2331[19:42:29] <annadane> good grief
• 2332[19:42:40] <joepublic> annadane, try asking ubuntu what debian package provides the import command for debian? why would they know?
• 2333[19:42:44] <annadane> the point is they shouldn't have testing *and* unstable in their sources
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• 2335[19:43:20] <annadane> they did not specify debian packages, it's an ubuntu specific question as far as i can tell
• 2336[19:43:26] * LtL apologizes.
• 2337[19:43:32] <gusgg> annadane: but ubuntu is kind of debian, so that's why I thought to ask here.
• 2338[19:43:38] <greycat> gusgg: no, ask #ubuntu
• 2339[19:43:51] <kirk781> Ubuntu is derived from Debian, yes but the similarities end there
• 2340[19:43:53] <joepublic> can't be an ubuntu question if they are asking here!
• 2341[19:44:10] <annadane> no, LtL, i'm not bitching at you
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• 2343[19:44:28] * annadane uses nano. just doesn't need newer nano arbitrarily
• 2344[19:44:44] <LtL> annadane: i know :)
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• 2350[19:46:39] <annadane> maybe we should stop yelling at people =(
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• 2352[19:48:31] <joepublic> On Debian, import is managed by update-alternatives, so yes, someone has an idea what's going on, but I would not look for knowledge of $RANDOM_NONDEBIAN distros except among their users
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• 2354[19:49:07] <joepublic> that is an improvement on my sly but unhelpful sarcasm, for which I again repent and apologize
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• 2358[19:49:47] <annadane> it probably could've been answered here and i was too quick to tell them to go to the hellspaw- err, ubuntu support resources
• 2359[19:49:49] <gusgg> I don't know if the apology is directed at me, but I accept it especially since it has useful information for me. Thanks, joepublic
• 2360[19:50:13] <gusgg> I obviously used the forbidden U-word, I'll think about that next time I ask a question I think this channel could answer ;)
• 2361[19:50:28] <annadane> consider it an apology from me as well
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• 2365[19:51:22] <gusgg> Could you tell me how you found that information? Not even `apt-file search /import$` returns anything
• 2366[19:51:38] <joepublic> We like ubuntu, we just don't know what they do with the ingredients when they bake their distro. The often make decisions that seem non-obvious to outsiders and you can get bit assuming that understanding the debian way has anything to do with what ubuntu does.
• 2367[19:51:45] <joepublic> gusgg, try ls -al `which import`
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• 2369[19:51:59] <greycat> wooledg:~$ type import
• 2370[19:51:59] <greycat> import is /usr/bin/import
• 2371[19:52:06] <greycat> wooledg:~$ ls -l /usr/bin/import
• 2372[19:52:06] <greycat> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 24 May 26 2017 /usr/bin/import -> /etc/alternatives/import
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• 2374[19:52:46] <gusgg> ah, why didn't I think it was symlinked. I opened it becuase I thought it might have been a script that wrapped another utility and I thought my editor painted symlinks differently. Thanks
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• 2378[19:53:06] <joepublic> you are cheerfully welcome.
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• 2384[19:54:23] <annadane> the last thing i want is for people to think debian channels are a bad place to get support
• 2385[19:55:15] <joepublic> well, they are probably objectively not a great place to get support for adjectivelike animal or zymurgic zookeper
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• 2444[20:27:18] <roycroft> hello, folks
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• 2446[20:27:29] <roycroft> i am migrating a mail server from openbsd to debian stretch
• 2447[20:27:58] <roycroft> most of the configuration has gone well, but there's one sticky point, and it's a show-stopper until i solve it
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• 2450[20:28:08] <roycroft> that is migrating the password database
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• 2454[20:28:26] <roycroft> as openbsd use blowfish, and debian, by default, does not
• 2455[20:29:15] <roycroft> i installed libxcrypt1, and i thought that should have fixed the problem, but it does not
• 2456[20:29:52] <roycroft> my reading suggest that libxcrypt1 is a drop-in replacement for libcrypt
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• 2458[20:30:07] <roycroft> but supports more encryption types, including blowfish
• 2459[20:30:30] <roycroft> is there something else i need to do to use it?
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• 2461[20:31:12] <roycroft> i just need sasl (for the mta) and dovecot to authenticate with a blowfish password in /etc/shadow
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• 2475[20:39:36] <jhutchins_wk> roycroft: I would expect that the pam system would be involved.
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• 2505[20:53:42] <quiliro> hello...is there some newbie tutorial for useing ruby to communicate with an FTDI device?
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• 2507[20:54:15] <jhutchins_wk> !ruby
• 2508[20:54:15] <dpkg> Ruby is an object oriented script language with a simple and clean syntax. It's supposed to have the best characteristics of Perl and Smalltalk, or a language that seems like a messy (Perlish) Python. Learn about it at replaced-url
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• 2523[21:02:59] <dtux> xpost from #gpg: should keygrips be kept secret?
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• 2531[21:09:53] <whislock> The only secrets are the private key and the associated passphrase.
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• 2543[21:15:10] <agio> I have a laptop touch pad which I want to apply a xinput config to on boot, and a USB mouse which I want to also apply a xinput config every time the mouse is plugged in, any ideas how to set that up?
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• 2550[21:20:26] <dtux> whislock: ty
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• 2558[21:27:36] <jhutchins_wk> agio: I think you can put the xinput settings into .xsessionrc
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• 2561[21:29:25] <agio> jhutchins_wk: yes, but I think the dev id argument that xinput takes, seems to change
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• 2565[21:31:09] <agio> e.g. looking back in my command line history, where I have been running it manually, last time I run it I used something like:
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• 2567[21:31:33] <agio> xinput set-prop 11 ..., the time before that:
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• 2569[21:31:51] <agio> xinput set-prop 13, time before that xinput set-prop 15, etc...
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• 2610[22:04:46] <shalok> Are `dpkg --get-selections` and `dpkg --set-selections` the best way to back up & restore my set of installed packages?
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• 2614[22:05:40] <altker128> Anyone here make use of PAM_SMBPASS? I'm wondering if that has any issues if used along-side pam_ldap
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• 2623[22:12:17] <jordanm> shalok: kind of. IIRC that loses information on which packages are installed manually vs automatically. the dpkg bot has a small snippet for that, but I don't recall the command
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• 2626[22:12:46] <shalok> !help
• 2627[22:12:58] <greycat> !listkeys clone
• 2628[22:13:00] <dpkg> Factoid search of 'clone' by key (15 of 16): #debian clone ;; #debian debian clone ;; _default clone ;; _default debian clone ;; ale clone ;; ale-clone ;; apt-clone ;; aptitude clone ;; btsclone ;; clonecd ;; clonezilla ;; debian clone ;; ntfs clone ;; ntfsclone ;; partclone.
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• 2632[22:14:04] <greycat> Several of those have several conflicting answers.
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• 2637[22:18:50] <shalok> !aptitude clone
• 2638[22:18:50] <dpkg> To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search --disable-columns -F%p '~i!~M!~v' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>, <debian clone>, <apt-clone>.
• 2639[22:19:29] <shalok> Just out of curiosity, why do I have to --schedule-only first and then install separately?
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• 2647[22:23:04] <agio> i imagine that aptitude clone won't save + restore the config files
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• 2650[22:23:52] <aloo_shu> agio I think if you want something to happen every time as specific device is plugged, an udev rule is the way. sry, not more details
• 2651[22:24:17] <agio> aloo_shu: yes, im investigating into udev now
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• 2655[22:25:04] <agio> interestingly, I see udev seems to create a device file: /dev/hidraw1, when I plug in the USB
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• 2657[22:25:33] <grady> problems with deb.debian.org repositories? or its cdn?
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• 2660[22:26:36] <aloo_shu> I'd guess udev *calls* something that creates /dev/hidraw1 when certain criteria are matched, agio
• 2661[22:27:13] <grady> its trying to open connection to prod.debian.map.fastly.net (151.101.244.204) it is some server from deb.debian.org cdn and it not work, at least it not work here
• 2662[22:28:03] <greycat> That's why I still use the traditional country-code mirrors.
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• 2667[22:29:31] <grady> greycat, well deb.debian.org was a "main sever" but in somewhere on the line, they changed it cdn :/
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• 2671[22:30:18] <greycat> !deb.debian.org
• 2672[22:30:18] <dpkg> deb.debian.org is a mirror network that is backed by international content delivery networks and for most users, this is the most reliable <mirror> to use in the <sources.list>. From Debian 9 "Stretch" onwards, apt queries SRV records in DNS which then send it off to a CDN. Older apt will get an HTTP redirect from deb.debian.org to the same CDNs. See replaced-url
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• 2674[22:31:46] <agio> aloo_shu: interesting, I thought it was the opposite? i.e. this device file and another one: /dev/bus/usb/006/003 are the files which are created everytime and indiscriminately
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• 2678[22:32:20] <agio> and are therefore unusable to script against
• 2679[22:33:02] <agio> and its up to us to extract an identifier from the devices meta data to use as a reliable identifier?
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• 2684[22:34:33] <dreamer> hmm, I'm trying to 'modprobe uvcvideo' but I get: modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'uvcvideo': Invalid argument - on stretch, 4.6.0-1-amd64
• 2685[22:35:14] <greycat> wooledg:~$ /sbin/modinfo uvcvideo
• 2686[22:35:15] <greycat> filename: /lib/modules/4.9.0-8-amd64/kernel/drivers/media/usb/uvc/uvcvideo.ko
• 2687[22:35:25] <greycat> maybe if you weren't -7- kernel ABIs behind...
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• 2689[22:35:35] <greycat> oh wait, 4.6.0 ?!
• 2690[22:35:46] <greycat> that's not even a stretch kernel
• 2691[22:35:55] <dreamer> heuhm, I'm not?
• 2692[22:36:02] <greycat> What does uname -r actually say?
• 2693[22:36:02] <dreamer> wait, have I been tinkering with my system again?
• 2694[22:36:03] * dreamer forgot
• 2695[22:36:10] <dreamer> uname -r
• 2696[22:36:10] <dreamer> 4.6.0-1-amd64
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• 2698[22:36:29] <greycat> well, a proper stretch kernel is 4.9.0-*
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• 2701[22:36:55] <dreamer> really?
• 2702[22:37:00] <greycat> yours looks like something left over from the time before stretch was released
• 2703[22:37:08] <dreamer> hmmmmmmm
• 2704[22:37:09] <dreamer> ok lets see
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• 2707[22:37:38] <dreamer> quite possibly I had this as a jessie system before hehe
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• 2711[22:38:12] <dreamer> linux-image-4.9.0-7-amd64 would be the latest?
• 2712[22:38:36] <greycat> -8-
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• 2715[22:39:07] <dreamer> weird, I do have linux-headers-4.9.0-8-common and such installed
• 2716[22:39:13] <CrystalMath> how do i increment a package's version?
• 2717[22:39:18] <CrystalMath> so that when i install my modified package
• 2718[22:39:24] <CrystalMath> it doesn't ask me to upgrade it back
• 2719[22:39:26] <CrystalMath> into the original
• 2720[22:39:34] <Sleaker> dreamer: maybe you didn't reboot yet after installing, or it's not the default image to boot into?
• 2721[22:39:37] <greycat> By editing the debian/changelog file.
• 2722[22:40:03] <greycat> !dch
• 2723[22:40:04] <dpkg> hmm... dch is a tool from the <devscripts> package that is used to manipulate changelog entries in Debian source packages. It helps get the formatting right in the changelog entry and opens the changelog in your chosen editor. dch can set versions, target releases, add template information for closing bugs, etc. It's also known as "debchange".
• 2724[22:40:18] <dreamer> Sleaker: well I rebooted this system less than a week ago
• 2725[22:40:47] <dreamer> ok, installing linux-image-amd64 now. and reboot. see if that makes my webcam work haha
• 2726[22:40:51] <dreamer> brb
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• 2734[22:42:58] <CrystalMath> thank you :)
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• 2736[22:45:32] <dreamer> this is new: dmesg: read kernel buffer failed: Operation not permitted
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• 2738[22:47:08] <greycat> dreamer: yes, new in stretch. Be root.
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• 2742[22:49:42] <grady> oh dang.. it was my snort who blocked these repositories :/
• 2743[22:49:56] <dreamer> greycat: meh
• 2744[22:50:04] * dreamer has been on stretch for over a year, how can this be :P
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• 2746[22:50:11] <dreamer> or when was it released?
• 2747[22:50:43] <dreamer> nearly 1.5 years ago. damn
• 2748[22:50:48] <grady> why apt give snort alert :/
• 2749[22:50:50] <dreamer> also been on other stretch systems
• 2750[22:51:05] <dreamer> never had to be root to dmesg, afaicr
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• 2752[22:51:13] <greycat> replaced-url
• 2753[22:51:28] <dreamer> anyway, cam works now
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• 2775[23:02:40] <__m4ch1n3__> hey installed lightworks (freemium video sequencer/editor) with dpkg -i, dpkg returned an error because it depends on outdated libraries. hower i have the libs in a subdir of my HOME and lightwors works if i run it with LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/home/me/path/to/oldlibs env variable but my apt package dependencies seem now to be broken
• 2776[23:04:33] <__m4ch1n3__> is there a way to ignore dependencies for a certain package?
• 2777[23:04:55] <__m4ch1n3__> so i can use apt and keep my system uptodate
• 2778[23:05:00] <__m4ch1n3__> again
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• 2780[23:06:54] <nkuttler> __m4ch1n3__: there is equivs... not sure though if that will help..
• 2781[23:07:11] <HicksD> the LD_LIBRARY_PATH shouldn't impact anything else depending on how/where you set it? If you do it before you run the lightworks bin, LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/foo/bar lightworks it should allow lightworks to use it without impacting anything else on your system.
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• 2783[23:08:28] <hypn0> if it uses newer libraries, then why install it, isn't there a static version __m4ch1n3__
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• 2786[23:09:08] <__m4ch1n3__> HicksD, usally i would extract the package to some custom directory, and run the bianaries there but lightworks has some hardcoded filepaths maybe because of copyprotection/premium verions
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• 2788[23:09:35] <hypn0> __m4ch1n3__: replaced-url
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• 2790[23:10:31] <__m4ch1n3__> there seems to be some detection if it was installed systemwide with dpkg and suid
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• 2792[23:10:40] <__m4ch1n3__> hardcoded
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• 2795[23:11:37] <__m4ch1n3__> now when i try apt-get upgrade it tells me to do "apt --fix-broken install"
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• 2797[23:12:41] <hypn0> As you probably know Debian Stretch is not on the list of supported distros. ?
• 2798[23:13:16] <__m4ch1n3__> i know the tutorial and thats what i definitly dont want do. ... downgrade Portaudio... ... downgrade libssl to libssl1.0.0 systemwide is just stupid.
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• 2805[23:14:10] <__m4ch1n3__> its actually an apt dependencies issiue, lightworks runs like a charm although dpkg returned non zero
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• 2810[23:16:23] <__m4ch1n3__> "apt --fix-broken install" tries to uninstall lightworks again i want apt to ignore it
• 2811[23:16:25] <nkuttler> yes, the issue is you installed an incompatible package..
• 2812[23:16:36] <__m4ch1n3__> yes i know
• 2813[23:17:15] <__m4ch1n3__> the issiue are the hardcoded paths freemium/premium vodo crap
• 2814[23:17:27] <__m4ch1n3__> *voodoo
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• 2816[23:18:13] <jhutchins_wk> __m4ch1n3__: The way to fix that is to download the source code and build it against your current environment.
• 2817[23:18:28] <__m4ch1n3__> its not open source
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• 2820[23:19:46] <jhutchins_wk> __m4ch1n3__: Then find something that is.
• 2821[23:19:53] <altker128> __m4ch1n3__: You could try to run it in a Linux-Container
• 2822[23:20:08] <altker128> __m4ch1n3__: I think there are guides on how to get programs that use X to work in LXC
• 2823[23:20:26] <altker128> Bit of a hammer...but it might work
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• 2825[23:21:06] <__m4ch1n3__> and its the only not straight shit videosequencer for linux. tried every single video editor in debian repos. they are ok to split a video in 2 or 3 parts but makeing complex sequences with multiple video/audio tracks is so painfull
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• 2827[23:21:48] <__m4ch1n3__> few hollywood movies were made with btw lightworks
• 2828[23:22:04] <__m4ch1n3__> *lw btw
• 2829[23:22:19] <jhutchins_wk> __m4ch1n3__: If you really have to have lightworks, build a supported OS for it.
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• 2832[23:23:15] <__m4ch1n3__> would be so much easier if apt could ignore dependencies for this one pkg
• 2833[23:23:42] <__m4ch1n3__> lightworks runs like a charm with LD_LIBRARY_PATH enviroment variable
• 2834[23:24:08] <altker128> :)
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• 2843[23:28:49] <__m4ch1n3__> hmm i could return a list of all installed files by lightworks, backup them, uninstall lightworks with apt and copy all files backed up to their prev path
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• 2845[23:30:16] <nkuttler> __m4ch1n3__: deb files are ar archives..
• 2846[23:30:17] <jhutchins_wk> __m4ch1n3__: You could unpack the deb and install it outside of the apt/deb system.
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• 2849[23:31:29] <jhutchins_wk> __m4ch1n3__: That or install whatever distro is supported. Dual boot if you want to still run Debian.
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• 2859[23:36:47] <__m4ch1n3__> yeah i know, usually you can extract a pkg and copy libs to custom relative path and run it without problem but lightworks executable has few hardcoded absolute file paths it depends on
• 2860[23:37:07] <__m4ch1n3__> *run it without problem with env. variables
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• 2863[23:38:48] <__m4ch1n3__> inb4 im on buster
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• 2871[23:46:37] <__m4ch1n3__> hmm is there a dumie virtmgr like gui for lxc?
• 2872[23:46:55] <__m4ch1n3__> for container creation
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• 2876[23:47:30] <nkuttler> !debian-next
• 2877[23:47:31] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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• 2879[23:48:45] <__m4ch1n3__> i know debian next :D but it doesnt matter, it depends on libssl1.0.0, would be same in stretch
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• 2886[23:53:19] <bites> __m4ch1n3__: virt-manager can do lxc. file -> add connection
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• 2893[23:56:33] <peaceguy> hi all
• 2894[23:56:43] <peaceguy> what are the possible cases for this error: file or directory not found when trying to copy using scp?
• 2895[23:56:51] <peaceguy> it says no such file or directory when i know it's there, even on the server machine i can check that?
• 2896[23:58:11] <bites> peaceguy: show us the whole command, please.
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• 2898[23:58:40] <peaceguy> spc -r user_name@address:/home/user_name/directory .
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• 2902[23:59:43] <hypn0> you used quotes?
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