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• 6[00:04:50] <awal1> i googled several times but i do not find an usb wifi adapter with 5ghz capability supported OFFICIALLY by debian. any suggestion?
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• 9[00:06:26] <BenLue> rant im trying to use di-netboot-assistant
• 10[00:07:24] <BenLue> dnsmasq is configurated with replaced-url
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• 13[00:09:24] <BenLue> anyone familiar with di-netboot-assistant ?
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• 18[00:12:36] <DonK_KijotE> Hi
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• 27[00:16:57] <rant> DonK_KijotE: again?
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• 29[00:17:28] <DonK_KijotE> for ever :P
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• 31[00:19:08] <rant> idk, what goes up, must come down
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• 52[00:28:37] <karlpinc> sshTaps: See the stretch release notes. They have upgrade instructions and notes on what to do when things go wrong. Always follow the instructions in the release notes to upgrade between major releases.
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• 91[01:04:50] <Aurora_iz_kosmos> How would one modify a machine with FDE so that it looks up for a USB-key containing a keyfile for root-fs decryption, and then asks for a passphrase if the key is missing?
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• 97[01:08:04] <rant> Aurora_iz_kosmos: its rather complex, involves making a script in the initrd, its documented online in various places
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• 100[01:08:48] <Aurora_iz_kosmos> So there's no pre-baked way to do it.
• 101[01:08:57] <rant> Aurora_iz_kosmos: such as replaced-url
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• 104[01:09:21] <rant> Aurora_iz_kosmos: no, nobody ever bothered to make it like something the installer would/could do :D
• 105[01:10:45] <rant> Aurora_iz_kosmos: its not that complicated in principal/theory.. just making a key file, adding it to the header, putting the keyfile on a device, setting up udev rules for that device so initrd can find it, and making a script to locate the key at the symlink location udev presents that device
• 106[01:10:56] <rant> but it is quite involved in practice :D
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• 109[01:11:23] <Aurora_iz_kosmos> Yeah, the udev bit is the more involved one for me. I haven't so far had to learn how it works.
• 110[01:11:48] <Aurora_iz_kosmos> Ah well, I guess this won't be a 20 minutes thing like I had first thought.
• 111[01:12:51] <Aurora_iz_kosmos> Seems like it's either that or messing with iniramfs. Huh
• 112[01:13:22] <rant> Aurora_iz_kosmos: well if you don't screw up and follow a guide like that, 20min is plenty.. if you're of decent skill in a shell.. none of it takes much time.. building the initramfs is the slowest part, the keyfile creation being 2nd longest step probably..
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• 114[01:13:30] <rant> Aurora_iz_kosmos: no, you have to do both
• 115[01:13:46] <Aurora_iz_kosmos> Oh, so the Arch-derived guide won't work. Good to know.
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• 119[01:14:15] <rant> Aurora_iz_kosmos: when you're talking rootfs encryption, the only thing available before the rootfs is unlocked is /boot and initramfs
• 120[01:14:39] <rant> and thats supposing you left /boot unencrypted and dont have some fancy actual FDE setup
• 121[01:15:04] <Aurora_iz_kosmos> Boot is unencrypted on that one.
• 122[01:15:38] <rant> but still, prior to mounting the real rootfs, your rootfs is initramfs and thus you need udev rules to identify the device that will be the key, and then need initramfs to contain a script to read and use the key
• 123[01:15:55] <rant> not to mention has to contain the udev rules to find the key and run the script
• 124[01:16:24] <rant> because there is no way without a udev rule to insure the correct device is mounted to the correct location
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• 128[01:17:11] <paris_0> Hi folks! or I might say good evening everybody and everyone!
• 129[01:17:16] <rant> and if you "hide" your key i.e. its not on a real filesystem, then this is especially important.. cause if its on an FS, you can label partitions or fs and access them by labels or uuids
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• 132[01:18:04] <rant> but if its just random data hidden outside the partition table as many guides suggest, that requires udev rules to identify and alias/symlink your device node so you know you're accessing the right device
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• 136[01:19:51] <rant> udev isnt all that hard to understand and is good to learn how to do some things with it.. to do crap like make sure your ipod always shows up as /dev/ipod or to run a script when you unlock a luks device to bind mount dirs onto it..
• 137[01:20:18] <rant> though admittedly pissing with it in initramfs to auto-unlock rootfs with removable key, is a more advanced usage :D
• 138[01:20:27] <Aurora_iz_kosmos> Heh
• 139[01:20:52] <Aurora_iz_kosmos> Well, thanks for mentioning things I'll need to readup on before.
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• 141[01:21:15] <rant> I would like to see it in the installer someday myself or simple tools to do it
• 142[01:21:39] <rant> but short of getting to hacking it myself, doubt it'll happen
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• 147[01:23:31] <paris_0> I have one question, about sound, when I turn on computer, the sound is off, so I have to physically go to the sound preferences , and change in the "Output" to V20 USB portable speakers, Are there is a way to change permanently?
• 148[01:24:19] <rant> this is usually done automatically, caveats including those where the device isn't plugged in when you boot/login
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• 150[01:24:52] <rant> alsa has long since saved settings across reboots, as does pulseaudio, network-manager, etc, etc, etc
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• 153[01:25:31] <rant> chances are whatever your issue is is something DE specific and specific to your exact use case
• 154[01:25:57] <rant> paris_0: are you using XFCE?
• 155[01:26:38] <paris_0> no, I am using mate.
• 156[01:26:50] <rant> ah.. well mate is far better with this kinda stuff
• 157[01:27:01] <rant> I only ever had issues with these sorts of things using XFCE
• 158[01:27:43] <rant> in mate-volume-control whatever I have set as the output device stays that way across reboots
• 159[01:28:00] <rant> even if I have it set to HDMI and boot without my minidp->hdmi plugged in
• 160[01:28:49] <rant> though in this case, my HDMI audio is still there just not usable, where if what you're talking about is effectively a USB sound card, if its not plugged in, the device is not available to even BE selected
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• 163[01:35:25] <paris_0> rant, could you kindly speak just plainly, as far I was able to understand the USB speakers are connected, Just I have to change in sound preferencies in the "Output" from "Build-in Audio Analog Stereo to V20 USB portable speakers all the time if I wont to listen any music or . . .
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• 175[01:53:43] <Aurora_iz_kosmos> Maybe setting them as the fallback/default devices?
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• 257[03:06:37] <tehnull> I didn't configure a swap partition when I installed and now I'm running out of memory and having applications crash. How do I fix it without reinstalling?
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• 260[03:09:59] <Old_Dog> tehnull I can tell you how I would fix it. someone else may have a different/better idea.
• 261[03:11:01] <awal1> replaced-url
• 262[03:11:01] <Old_Dog> if you would like
• 263[03:11:43] <Old_Dog> ah there you go.
• 264[03:11:52] <awal1> replaced-url
• 265[03:12:01] <awal1> replaced-url
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• 293[03:23:55] <tehnull> alright well lets try this again and see if it crashes
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• 301[03:26:58] <zabaniyah> hallo
• 302[03:27:12] <zabaniyah> i have 1 issue in mu debian 9
• 303[03:27:28] <zabaniyah> how to install android driver indebian 9
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• 329[03:35:38] <tehnull> yay swap is filling and it hasn't crashed yet wooo
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• 348[03:46:51] <tehnull> sooo... replaced-url
• 349[03:46:53] <tehnull> what do?
• 350[03:48:16] <rant> if you dont kill that process like right now, you're liable to be screwed
• 351[03:49:07] <rant> once you run out of swap, a SAK is about your only option and even that may not get through with all the SHTF
• 352[03:49:13] <toruvinn> i thought php had some default set_ini() for max ram.
• 353[03:49:25] <rant> hell if I know
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• 355[03:49:46] <tehnull> well it died on it's own I guess
• 356[03:50:12] <tehnull> I just don't understand why it's using so much ram
• 357[03:50:33] <rant> yeah, well either you got a bug, or you got a bug.. heh
• 358[03:50:37] <tehnull> all It's doing is moving a file from 1 drive to another and verifying the file hash afaict
• 359[03:51:17] <rant> is it an incredibly huge file? :D
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• 361[03:51:21] <tehnull> I know precisely 0 about PHP, how would I go about diagnosing the problem and fixing it?
• 362[03:51:25] <tehnull> it's 24gb
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• 366[03:54:56] <toruvinn> if it's php some people's idea of processing files means loading them all in ram first...
• 367[03:55:15] <toruvinn> like, file_get_contents(...) and then sha1() this or whatever. :-<
• 368[03:55:31] <toruvinn> ive seen quite a bit of terrible PHP code in my life
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• 370[03:55:43] <rant> toruvinn: idk, I'd get rid of that torrent app just cause it uses php :D
• 371[03:56:02] <rant> I use transmission-daemon for those sorts of things.. it has a curses, web, gtk, etc frontend..
• 372[03:56:11] <toruvinn> rtorrent itself doesnt use php.
• 373[03:56:18] <toruvinn> it's some gui or something i guess
• 374[03:56:43] <rant> yeah well its apparently got a bug. I never had issues like that with transmission
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• 385[04:03:00] <rant> toruvinn: furthermore it doesnt seem to be in debian, all the qt, gtk, web, and curses frontends as well as the server for transmission are all in debian
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• 392[04:12:15] <rant> toruvinn: the transmission-daemon is written in C and has the web client built in
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• 400[04:21:58] <trysten> noob question. How would I find out why a package is in stable and unstable but not testing?
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• 406[04:28:22] <coruja> look at the package's page at tracker.debian.org
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• 414[04:32:25] <trysten> Sure enough coruja. Thank you. replaced-url
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• 416[04:33:01] <Unit193> trysten: Take a look at 'barrier' if you haven't already.
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• 422[04:37:59] <trysten> Unit193: sweet thanks
• 423[04:38:47] <Unit193> Sure thing!
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• 491[05:46:12] <LikWidChz> Hey folks, having a weird problem and its pretty basic. I have an interface that doesnt start at boot and im not sure what the problem is.
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• 500[06:01:35] <kreyren> is there a package for firefox-nightly in debian?
• 501[06:01:39] <kreyren> ESR is bugged af
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• 508[06:11:51] <rant> no, why the hell would debian have a package for firefox-nightly?
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• 521[06:31:57] <GNU_Linux> I found interesting hosts connecting to my port 80.
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• 535[06:38:53] <sshTaps> use user specific firewall rules then GNU_Linux
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• 593[07:39:59] <GNU_Linux> "2a00:d880:3:1::242:6f96 - - [10/Mar/2019:07:39:29 +0200] "HEAD / HTTP/1.1" 200 274 "-" "IrssiUrlLog/0.2""
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• 710[08:05:37] <at0m> GNU_Linux: mysqlurllogger.pl irssi script? you been pasting on irc?
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• 716[08:06:41] <GNU_Linux> at0m, yes, I think so.
• 717[08:06:55] <at0m> that would explain.
• 718[08:07:01] <GNU_Linux> at0m, because I pasted with HexChat, but not with irssi. It may have been some other address.
• 719[08:07:22] <at0m> yea client address as in access log snippet.
• 720[08:07:26] <GNU_Linux> at0m, so is it just my machine doing that, or is there a remote client, machine, server or host?
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• 722[08:07:34] <GNU_Linux> at0m, ok
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• 724[08:07:49] <at0m> someone in a channel you pasted that running that script
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• 727[08:08:07] <at0m> i mean, it's automatic if they're running the url loggeR.
• 728[08:08:37] <at0m> you pasted at 10/Mar/2019:07:39:29
• 729[08:08:43] <at0m> or just before that
• 730[08:08:46] <GNU_Linux> at0m, yes, I figured so.
• 731[08:08:59] <GNU_Linux> at0m, so, nothing special so far.
• 732[08:09:09] <at0m> nothing special.
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• 773[08:37:22] <Furry_Kitty> Are there lts versions of Debian?
• 774[08:38:38] <Furry_Kitty> Client: HexChat 2.12.4 • OS: Debian 9.8 • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-7100U CPU @ 2.40GHz (700MHz) • Memory: Physical: 3.6 GiB Total (2.3 GiB Free) Swap: 2.0 GiB Total (2.0 GiB Free) • Storage: 309.6 GB / 809.4 GB (499.7 GB Free) • VGA: 8086:5916 @ 8086:5904 • Uptime: 1h 0m 0s
• 775[08:38:53] <Furry_Kitty> Oh Sorry. That was a mistake
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• 779[08:40:05] <nevivurn> Furry_Kitty: stable is the "LTS" version. Everything else is rolling-ish.
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• 781[08:42:31] <Furry_Kitty> Thanks
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• 806[09:05:27] <agio> replaced-url
• 807[09:06:53] <agio> the above stretch release notes state that debian security team can't support the stream of libV8 vulnerabilities
• 808[09:07:47] <agio> my question is, why can't the debian security team just take the security patches from upstream and package?
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• 810[09:08:44] <agio> is the issue that debian doesn't think the upstream are - themselves - properly addressing the security?
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• 812[09:09:53] <agio> and that debian would want to take the upstream security patches to a higher level of security?
• 813[09:11:14] <agio> or is the issue simply the work of "debian-izing" the upstream packages too much (and that debian would consider the upstream node/libV8 devs to be doing a satisfactory job of security support?
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• 868[09:48:16] <GNU_Linux> sudo nmap -4 -vv -O -A org.fi
• 869[09:48:22] <GNU_Linux> like that.
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• 1066[12:13:46] <anonymous83719> i just upgraded from Jessie to stretch and now i have a boot loop
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• 1069[12:14:19] <anonymous83719> kind of. and in recovery, i have no networking
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• 1080[12:23:00] <soulseeker> attempted resize destroyed the superblock
• 1081[12:23:45] <soulseeker> most of the work trashed
• 1082[12:24:00] <soulseeker> unless it can be remounted
• 1083[12:24:24] <soulseeker> though maybe for the better
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• 1101[12:35:27] <anonymous83719> i fixed it with dpkg
• 1102[12:36:32] <soulseeker> anonymous83719: what did you fix
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• 1120[12:49:18] <soulseeker> I didn't guess you were talking about the reiserfs bad superblock and the error out of reiserfsck
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• 1159[13:07:32] <choice> From one of my servers, I can wget/ping/etc all hosts, but not one in particular. Any ideas how to figure out why?
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• 1162[13:08:53] <mlok> I'm running Debian 9 stretch and I have libc6 2.28-8 installed and I would like to downgrade to 2.24-11+deb9u4, what's the best way of going about this?
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• 1166[13:10:11] <choice> Access the other way round also does not work. Is the net split somehow?
• 1167[13:11:04] <mlok> uh
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• 1176[13:15:12] <protectionfault> Hi. Whenever I insert an SD card, Debian mounts it. After manually unmounting, the drive remains in read only mode. How can I reconfigure automount in bare debian?
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• 1178[13:16:37] <diogenes_> protectionfault, depends on DE
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• 1180[13:16:54] <protectionfault> DE?
• 1181[13:17:20] <diogenes_> desktop environment
• 1182[13:17:23] <protectionfault> gnome
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• 1184[13:17:34] <protectionfault> sorry, I mean default installation bare debian
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• 1186[13:19:07] <diogenes_> protectionfault, maybe here: replaced-url
• 1187[13:19:22] <[sr]> hi, how to ake apt sources dont go further than jessie 8.8 (or any other), is there a way to lock this?
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• 1193[13:22:08] <protectionfault> The answer in there I have already tried. Indeed, the automount options are hidden in System Tools -> Settings -> Details -> Removable media, but the settings I make there have no effect.
• 1194[13:22:46] <mlok> When I try to install apt install libc6=2.24-11+deb9u3 it is saying that the version is not found, what could be the issue?
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• 1197[13:23:04] <diogenes_> protectionfault, then look in dconf-editor
• 1198[13:23:33] <mlok> I currently have libc6 2.28-8 on Debian 9 Stretch
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• 1202[13:25:23] <protectionfault> diogenes_ looking in it now, what should I look for? The entries for nautilus from your link are not showing up.
• 1203[13:25:33] <mlok> Is it a good idea to remove libc6 or reinstall it manually?
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• 1208[13:27:59] <diogenes_> protectionfault, search for word "mount"
• 1209[13:28:10] <protectionfault> I had already tried that to no avail
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• 1211[13:28:39] <protectionfault> I have also started dconf-editor as a superuser now, to see if perhaps more options would be visible, but no mount options can be found
• 1212[13:29:31] <diogenes_> switch to xcfe :) or cinnamon
• 1213[13:29:44] <diogenes_> xfce*
• 1214[13:31:24] <protectionfault> i have found more automount options in "org/gnome/desktop"
• 1215[13:31:31] <protectionfault> thanks for helping out
• 1216[13:32:18] <soulseeker> diogenes_: what do you think about lt. dang linux
• 1217[13:32:31] <soulseeker> are you going to offer him lt. dang linux
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• 1219[13:33:11] <diogenes_> protectionfault, you're welcome
• 1220[13:33:32] <protectionfault> i will probably try out another desktop manager soon. I like the design philosophy of gnome, but how things are renamed. For me, it would work much better if it's called "nemo", rather than "My Files"..
• 1221[13:34:16] <diogenes_> soulseeker, what?
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• 1224[13:35:29] <protectionfault> it seems some sort of forrest gump reference
• 1225[13:36:10] <soulseeker> it aint got no legs
• 1226[13:36:31] <protectionfault> but it runs like hell?
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• 1235[13:39:21] <protectionfault> Either it hasn't worked, or dconf-settings require a reboot.
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• 1237[13:41:13] <diogenes_> maybe even something in gnome-tweaks?
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• 1240[13:43:01] <protectionfault> I'm back after a reboot, after setting all automount options to false (3 of them). Sadly, the drive was still automounted on boot.
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• 1243[13:43:49] <diogenes_> protectionfault, diogenes_> maybe even something in gnome-tweaks?
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• 1245[13:44:24] <protectionfault> Is that the same things as what gnome calls the Tweak Tool?
• 1246[13:44:35] <diogenes_> yes
• 1247[13:44:37] <protectionfault> I'm sorry, that was a joke.
• 1248[13:44:48] <diogenes_> hehe
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• 1250[13:45:03] <protectionfault> I'm sorry, I'm thankful for your help!
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• 1253[13:45:53] <diogenes_> no problem but i'm no expert at gnome :)
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• 1255[13:46:15] <protectionfault> I have a tweak installed, called removable drive menu
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• 1259[13:46:36] <protectionfault> There is no way to access the settings of that tweak through the tweak tool, just a slider toggle.
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• 1261[13:46:57] <protectionfault> I will now do another reboot, to see if that worked (it shouldn't of course, but it could)
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• 1266[13:49:18] <protectionfault> GUILTY! The tweak tool plugin was the offending party.
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• 1268[13:49:49] <protectionfault> After disabling the "removable drive plugin" in gnome-tweaks, all weird auto-mount behavior is gone.
• 1269[13:50:17] <protectionfault> Or is it?
• 1270[13:50:52] <protectionfault> No it isn't. It just doesn't show on the desktop. After doing "lsblk" I can see that still, the drive is automagically mounted, even though I have disabled automount in three places now.
• 1271[13:51:22] <protectionfault> I feel like Lt. Dang when he has climbed in the mast of his ship.
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• 1279[13:55:36] <protectionfault> How can I discover why my drive is mounted?
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• 1294[13:59:08] <ksk> type "mount"
• 1295[13:59:19] <ksk> you will see all mounted devices.
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• 1299[13:59:51] <protectionfault> thanks everyone, I have found another suspect on my mount hunt
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• 1302[14:00:26] <protectionfault> turns out I had provisionally installed cinnamon alongside gnome, and cinnamon has it's own automount thing that runs regardless of you ever running cinnamon.
• 1303[14:01:02] <protectionfault> trying reboot now
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• 1310[14:03:39] <protectionfault> Reporting back, my SD card is still mounted on boot.
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• 1313[14:05:14] <protectionfault> I have tried the following: 1) dconf-editor options mentioning automount all corrected 2) tweak-tool disabled the removable media plugin 3) disabled cinnamons automount and then removed cinnamon entirely
• 1314[14:05:33] <diogenes_> protectionfault, have a look at this: replaced-url
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• 1316[14:09:42] <protectionfault> I did: gsettings get org.gnome.desktop.media-handling automount -> true
• 1317[14:09:46] <protectionfault> wow
• 1318[14:10:00] <protectionfault> that is the setting I just set to false in dconf-editor
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• 1334[14:18:38] <protectionfault> Only through your patient help I have prevailed. Lt Dang is a happy man and my drive was never mounted during boot. Have a nice day, diogenes_!
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• 1337[14:20:41] <protectionfault> the list of automount options is repeated a couple of times in the dconf-editor, if you run into someone with this question, make sure they check they have disabled all the media-handler entries, because they are spread out. Should I enter a bug report for the gnome settings entry that had no effect on the behavior?
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• 1350[14:28:05] <diogenes_> protectionfault, i'm glad it finally worked, maybe it would make sense to bug report.
• 1351[14:28:13] <diogenes_> it's up to you.
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• 1408[15:05:39] <protectionfault> diogenes_ I think I understand enough about the issue to say if it is a Debian implementation issue, or a gnome issue.
• 1409[15:05:53] <protectionfault> *don't think
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• 1431[15:17:31] <pldiem> after some tests I am able to run my system, I had bootable usb stick with Manjaro, there in menu is option EFI bootloaders and there are for options for my debian I run grub and system loads
• 1432[15:17:37] <pldiem> does anyone have idea why my drive does not appear in bios boot section?
• 1433[15:18:12] <pldiem> *four options
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• 1438[15:19:19] <protectionfault> pldiem, what do you mean with bios boot section?
• 1439[15:19:33] <protectionfault> are you in the bios right now, configuring the drives?
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• 1441[15:19:47] <pldiem> the section where we set the order of boot
• 1442[15:20:09] <pldiem> I had: drive, usb
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• 1444[15:20:23] <pldiem> i changed to usb, because I wanted to test something
• 1445[15:20:32] <pldiem> and after successful test
• 1446[15:20:44] <pldiem> after reboot my drive stopped appearing there
• 1447[15:21:11] <pldiem> now I am at least able to run my system through bootable usb stick with Manjaro
• 1448[15:21:11] <protectionfault> so your system does not boot if you skip bios?
• 1449[15:21:24] <pldiem> yes
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• 1451[15:21:40] <rocketmagnet> hi everyone, which package contains the pthreads lib ?
• 1452[15:21:51] <pldiem> it informs me that there is nothing to boot from
• 1453[15:21:53] <protectionfault> have you changed your configuration, using the manjaro live distro?
• 1454[15:22:29] <protectionfault> i mean on purpose, if you did accidentally you wouldn't remember
• 1455[15:22:31] <pldiem> nope, and it is not manjaro live distro, I guess
• 1456[15:22:41] <rocketmagnet> i'm on debian stable
• 1457[15:22:54] <pldiem> sometime ago I wanted to test manjaro, but I resigned
• 1458[15:23:02] <pldiem> so I had usb stick available
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• 1460[15:23:11] <pldiem> after boot on the first menu that appears
• 1461[15:23:18] <pldiem> is option EFI bootloaders
• 1462[15:23:26] <pldiem> and from there I can boot my debian system
• 1463[15:23:37] <protectionfault> what kind of disk is your debian install on? ssd?
• 1464[15:23:39] <pldiem> so this is workaround for now
• 1465[15:23:52] <protectionfault> I think I understand the predicament
• 1466[15:23:55] <pldiem> yes, nvme
• 1467[15:24:14] <protectionfault> brand shouldn't matter
• 1468[15:24:41] <protectionfault> but some bios menu's can be tricky, requiring you to introduce the bus first, only after that you can select them in the ordering
• 1469[15:24:57] <pldiem> it is not brand
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• 1471[15:25:06] <pldiem> its spec of something
• 1472[15:25:14] <pldiem> yes, it is SSD
• 1473[15:25:26] <pldiem> but on PCIe
• 1474[15:25:37] <protectionfault> so if you have the sata bus in there, only then you can put sata in the boot order. If you can specify the bios make, I could look up how the menu is structured and suggest if that is the case here.
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• 1476[15:25:59] <protectionfault> sounds fast :)
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• 1480[15:26:44] <protectionfault> does your manjaro isntall still work? Can you see the drive in there? Have you disconnected it to be safe (you should have..)
• 1481[15:26:45] <pldiem> yeap, PCIe x4, so the fastest option right now I guess
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• 1483[15:27:15] <pldiem> BIOS => InsydeH20
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• 1485[15:27:34] <pldiem> what do you mean by manjaro install still work?
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• 1487[15:28:04] <protectionfault> you have a working manjaro on that usb stick you mentioned?
• 1488[15:29:10] <pldiem> no, it is just, how to call it, usb stick for to install system
• 1489[15:29:55] <protectionfault> can you look in the Tab: Advanced (second?) and go to "IDE configuration" to check if that is in order
• 1490[15:30:29] <protectionfault> I'm browsing screenshots of your bios here and there are many variations, so it could require some searching
• 1491[15:30:29] <pldiem> no tab Advanced
• 1492[15:30:44] <pldiem> Information | Configuration | Security| Boot | Exit
• 1493[15:31:11] <protectionfault> hm, that is a minimal one, perhaps it is in "basic mode" and you have hidden advanced options?
• 1494[15:31:40] <protectionfault> you should look for the sata/ide config
• 1495[15:31:45] <protectionfault> not just the boot order
• 1496[15:32:10] <pldiem> hmm...
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• 1498[15:32:29] <pldiem> maybe I could somehow switch to advanced mode
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• 1502[15:33:28] <pldiem> no sata/ide config
• 1503[15:33:52] <pldiem> it is laptop if that changes anything
• 1504[15:34:10] <protectionfault> please go to the information tab then
• 1505[15:35:12] <protectionfault> is it an HP machine?
• 1506[15:35:21] <pldiem> Lenovo
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• 1512[15:37:49] <oiaohm> pldiem: replaced-url
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• 1514[15:38:14] <protectionfault> pldiem, does your menu go: Boot More, Boot Priority, USB Boot?
• 1515[15:38:20] <protectionfault> *Boot Mode
• 1516[15:38:54] <pldiem> Boot Mode, USB Boot, PXE Boot to LAN
• 1517[15:39:05] <protectionfault> Ok, which options have you selected for each?
• 1518[15:39:16] <protectionfault> (leave out pxe)
• 1519[15:39:26] <pldiem> UEFI, Enabled, Disabled
• 1520[15:39:47] <protectionfault> What other options does it say where you have UEFI?
• 1521[15:39:50] <pldiem> this is the same setting I had before
• 1522[15:40:04] <protectionfault> So under that menu is a list of disks?
• 1523[15:40:16] <protectionfault> Without the SATA one you had before?
• 1524[15:40:30] <pldiem> there is only the header EFI
• 1525[15:40:31] <xormor> Linux debiankone 5.0.0 #1 SMP Tue Mar 5 18:51:43 EET 2019 x86_64 GNU/Linux
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• 1527[15:40:36] <pldiem> and nothing on the list
• 1528[15:40:39] <xormor> should I upgrade to 5.0.1?
• 1529[15:41:08] <protectionfault> Have you installed the system with UEFI, or in "legacy mode"? (wild guess)
• 1530[15:41:14] <pldiem> maybe there is some issue in the grub or something?
• 1531[15:41:18] <pldiem> UEFI
• 1532[15:41:28] <pldiem> that was couple of months ago
• 1533[15:41:32] <protectionfault> No, if the disk is not visible to your bios, grub can shake it I'm afraid..
• 1534[15:42:14] <pldiem> but Manjaro installator can find bootloader and run system
• 1535[15:42:22] <pldiem> why BIOS stopped seeing it
• 1536[15:42:27] <pldiem> ?
• 1537[15:42:47] <pldiem> really strange
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• 1541[15:44:29] <protectionfault> you can run the old install through the manjaro installer? That would at least enable you to make a backup
• 1542[15:44:29] <protectionfault> I find it amazing that Manjaro can find a disk that your bios cannot
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• 1544[15:44:39] <protectionfault> It confuses me
• 1545[15:45:00] <dooglus> replaced-url
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• 1549[15:45:43] <pldiem> exactly I can run old install of debian via manjaro installer
• 1550[15:45:49] <|GIG> can someone tell me where SSH login attempts are logged ?
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• 1553[15:46:15] <|GIG> I'm getting a time-out on a debian box and cant tell why it is not accepting the connection
• 1554[15:46:21] <pldiem> if I won't figure out something I will reinstall system
• 1555[15:46:45] <pldiem> for now I will run it vis manajaro installer
• 1556[15:47:01] <pldiem> since tomorrow is a working day
• 1557[15:47:17] <pldiem> I to configure everything would take to much time
• 1558[15:47:19] <protectionfault> at least you can make a backup
• 1559[15:47:32] <pldiem> probably I can also work that way etc.
• 1560[15:47:48] <pldiem> but it is crazy to run system that way
• 1561[15:47:51] <pldiem> :)
• 1562[15:47:57] <protectionfault> depends on how important the system is
• 1563[15:48:05] <protectionfault> and what is on it
• 1564[15:48:29] <protectionfault> but yes, i agree
• 1565[15:48:37] <pldiem> but there's need to be some way to make it visible again
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• 1567[15:49:01] <protectionfault> the bios comes before everything
• 1568[15:49:12] <protectionfault> if it's not in there, the drive might be on the verge of failing
• 1569[15:49:46] <pldiem> so maybe EFI bootloader is somehow broken
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• 1571[15:50:01] <pldiem> for BIOS, but not for manjaro installer
• 1572[15:50:19] <pldiem> because bios must be scanning drives or something
• 1573[15:50:25] <protectionfault> can you try putting the bios in legacy mode?
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• 1575[15:51:11] <pldiem> I did before and there appeared drive
• 1576[15:51:18] <pldiem> so I tried to run this way
• 1577[15:51:20] <protectionfault> also, under the bios information tab, after cpu info, it should say some stuff about your drives
• 1578[15:51:23] <pldiem> of course it failed
• 1579[15:51:34] <pldiem> after that the drive is not visible in any mode
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• 1581[15:51:47] <protectionfault> but before that it was already gone in uefi mode?
• 1582[15:51:56] <pldiem> yes, it was
• 1583[15:52:09] <protectionfault> what does the info tab say?
• 1584[15:52:12] <pldiem> and yes there is info about both drives
• 1585[15:52:13] <protectionfault> in your bios, first page
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• 1587[15:52:28] <protectionfault> i asked if there was
• 1588[15:52:30] <pldiem> but the second one is almost empty
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• 1590[15:52:58] <protectionfault> almost?
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• 1592[15:53:20] <pldiem> I mean some archive files, but no system and anything like that
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• 1594[15:53:52] <pldiem> just an additional drive without much purpose
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• 1596[15:54:16] <pldiem> but I even tried to unplug it, to be sure
• 1597[15:54:25] <pldiem> but nothing changed
• 1598[15:54:41] <pldiem> so yes, drives are visible in Information tab
• 1599[15:54:52] <protectionfault> thanks
• 1600[15:55:05] <protectionfault> can you tell me which drives show up when you put it in legacy mode?
• 1601[15:55:12] <protectionfault> both of them, or just one?
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• 1603[15:55:42] <protectionfault> or do you wish to keep it in uefi mode, because that is what it said before?
• 1604[15:56:00] <protectionfault> or because you somehow feel that putting it is in legacy mode made it disappear in the first place?
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• 1608[15:57:30] <pldiem> now I can see both drives in Legacy Support mode
• 1609[15:57:45] <pldiem> but system won't run from it
• 1610[15:58:07] <pldiem> I am put in grub secure command line or something like that
• 1611[15:58:52] <protectionfault> It is valuable diagnostic information if your bios can see both drives in legacy mode. I think I can't offer you more than that now, as I have other things to tend to. I hope I have been of some help, all the best!
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• 1613[15:59:12] <pldiem> grub rescue
• 1614[15:59:22] <pldiem> that's what I can see now
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• 1616[15:59:51] <pldiem> sure, thank you for your help
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• 1623[16:03:42] <protectionfault> pldiem: replaced-url
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• 1625[16:04:13] <protectionfault> not your problem, but useful and relevant info
• 1626[16:04:39] <dooglus> replaced-url
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• 1629[16:06:12] <pldiem> thanks
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• 1632[16:06:42] <pldiem> protectionfault: maybe I need to do something in secure grub command line
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• 1635[16:07:31] <davehope> Has anyone successfully managed to get cifs ACLs working with sssd on Debian? - I can see that libwbclient.so gets installed and has exports such as wbcLookupName, but no alternative is listed (update-alternatives only lists idmap-plugin, for which no alternative is offered). Unsure of how to make cifs.idmap consume it. All other functionality appears to be working (getent, etc)
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• 1641[16:09:53] <LikWidChz> Morning, I have this qnap I put debian on with minimial shit due to a weird hardware failure, it has this lcd screen connected up to the motherboard and it appears that it is connected to /dev/ttyS01. I try and echo 1234 >> /dev/ttyS01 and nothing appears on the screen.. are there any ideas from you guys on what else I could try?? long shot I know.
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• 1644[16:13:03] <protectionfault> Perhaps it displays only error codes?
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• 1652[16:14:44] <LikWidChz> well, good idea, theory? but I'm not so sure. When the thing was working there were buttons on the side and you would navigate through a menu, showing ip, harddrive smartcontrol things like temp and whatever else... I have to guess that there was something running in the background. I can get the orignal firmware img but I wouldnt know where to go with it.
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• 1657[16:16:23] <LikWidChz> the qnap motherboard is super weird. Bios is shitty, it boots from usb, but it wont boot from serial, the onboard IDE which is a mini laptop ide is toast.
• 1658[16:16:47] <protectionfault> Perhaps try to cat something through less with line numbers, so you can see if it displays other lines than the first two
• 1659[16:16:50] <LikWidChz> so I install debian on a usb harddrive which is actually a sata drive in a usb bay.
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• 1662[16:17:18] <LikWidChz> i tried to "cat /dev/urandom >> /dev/ttyS01"
• 1663[16:17:29] <LikWidChz> then I had the idea, maybe it only works at a specific baud?
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• 1666[16:18:52] <protectionfault> something is writing to that tty already, perhaps you can show it's output on another tty to get a clue
• 1667[16:19:28] <LikWidChz> oh, well nothing is writing to it due to the fact that I have a different distro on it and it has no idea that thing is connected.
• 1668[16:19:55] <protectionfault> it's difficult to say something helpful here, but it's interesting to see if you can replace the disk and os to recycle the hardware, I'm all for that.
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• 1670[16:20:22] <LikWidChz> yeah, well thank you. I know its a loaded question
• 1671[16:20:39] <protectionfault> no that is something different
• 1672[16:20:40] <protectionfault> :)
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• 1674[16:21:21] <protectionfault> perhaps look up the model name for the display (screw open the case and check manufacture details, google that)
• 1675[16:21:44] <LikWidChz> sure sure, yeah its weird though, the screen displays BOOTING >>>>>> then the arrows incriment and it starts over, but right when you cat something to that TTY the screen blanks.. its just that "feel good" to let the user know shits happening.
• 1676[16:21:56] <protectionfault> I mean search for it online, with one of the many excellent engines out there :)
• 1677[16:22:01] <LikWidChz> its not just a serial port display screen. it has extra fluff on it.
• 1678[16:22:11] <protectionfault> extra fluff is always nice
• 1679[16:22:28] <LikWidChz> yeah I mean I was able to tell which tty its connected too so that was helpful.
• 1680[16:22:43] <protectionfault> probably the buttons are a hid
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• 1682[16:23:48] <LikWidChz> well the screen connects to the motherboard with 4 wires
• 1683[16:23:53] <LikWidChz> and two are for power ..
• 1684[16:24:03] <LikWidChz> my guess is its serial all the way
• 1685[16:24:26] <LikWidChz> how do you echo whats comming from a serial port to the terminal?
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• 1689[16:26:22] <xormor> let me out of this closet, they are forcing me to IRC and make HTML Pages here!!! X-D
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• 1691[16:26:41] <|GIG> Ports forwarded to 15427, sshd_config file says port 15427. No connection remotely. WHAT is wrong with this thing
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• 1699[16:29:18] <protectionfault> LikWidChz, check out "cu"
• 1700[16:29:51] <LikWidChz> I'll see you. lol
• 1701[16:29:53] <LikWidChz> okay.
• 1702[16:30:21] <eldereko> ive been struggling with an issue for a week, trying to do a clean install of debian 9.8 ontop of mdraid + lvm... always get "disk lvmid/xxx not found" in grub
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• 1710[16:35:46] <protectionfault> eldereko, you mean the installation succeeds, and grub halts with this error on first boot?
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• 1716[16:37:09] <eldereko> protectionfault, that is correct... install succeeds, installs grub, reboots, error and enters grub rescue mode
• 1717[16:38:05] <cadburn2> i still run PHP 7.0 on my home server, is this guide a good fit? replaced-url
• 1718[16:38:25] <eldereko> ive tried setting the root UUID manually and updating-grub, preloading lvm/mdraid modules, and same error
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• 1723[16:40:40] <protectionfault> what disks does grub find, if you go in the grub resque console thing?
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• 1726[16:42:21] <eldereko> it finds (hd0) - (hd4) and (md/0) (md/1)
• 1727[16:42:44] <protectionfault> the hardware and the volumes that your raid is composed out of
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• 1730[16:43:44] <eldereko> it finds all the disks but only 2 of the 3 raid arrays (2x raid5 and a raid1)
• 1731[16:43:49] <protectionfault> I'm afraid I'm out of my depth here, eldereko
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• 1733[16:44:32] <eldereko> no worries protectionfault, thanks for trying... forums havent been helpful so far either
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• 1736[16:45:05] <protectionfault> which set is missing? the one you installed debian on?
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• 1741[16:45:50] <protectionfault> is the raid 1 a raid1 of 2 raid5 arrays?
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• 1744[16:47:27] <eldereko> no, i have 4 physical disk partitioned to created 3 raid arrays, then an lvm vg to tie them together and then installed debian on the lvm
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• 1747[16:48:26] <protectionfault> it seems unintuitive to me to create 3 raid arrays on 4 disks
• 1748[16:48:37] <protectionfault> perhaps your config requires it
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• 1750[16:49:12] <eldereko> they are different size disks so i created 3 arrays to get the most space... ive done this successfully on other systems without issues, its how synology does their "hybrid" raid
• 1751[16:49:50] <protectionfault> how does synology solve the problem that the bootloader is a level deeper?
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• 1753[16:50:25] <eldereko> what do you mean a level deeper?
• 1754[16:50:50] <LikWidChz> eldereko, I wondered the same thing, someone mentioned BTRFS filesystem it might use that.. drobos do some other weird shit
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• 1757[16:51:09] <LikWidChz> it does raid at a block level vs a disk level
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• 1759[16:51:42] <LikWidChz> ... redundancy at a block level vs a disk level... take what I said with a bag of salt, im less than 24 hours into knowing btrfs was even a thing :)
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• 1761[16:51:53] <protectionfault> could you be more loose than uuid?
• 1762[16:52:01] <protectionfault> perhaps that is why it can't find it
• 1763[16:52:06] <eldereko> right, you create the raid in partitions instead of full disks, so your partitions are the size of the smallest disk
• 1764[16:52:22] <LikWidChz> no not on BTRFS, on ZFS that seems to be the case
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• 1766[16:53:20] <eldereko> they use btrfs but not in raid mode as its still very expirimental... the raid is all done via mdadm
• 1767[16:54:44] <eldereko> but debian should be able to boot from lvm on mdraid
• 1768[16:54:52] <LikWidChz> i thought btrfs was already using some form of redundancy based on the file system itself.
• 1769[16:55:17] <LikWidChz> honestly i always try and keep my boot bullshit on a single disk to avoid any crappy situations.
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• 1772[16:56:16] <eldereko> it does have redundancy built in using metadata mirroring and snapshotting, similar to zfs... but on the fs level not disk redundancy
• 1773[16:57:07] <protectionfault> Can it handle the biggest disk breaking?
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• 1775[16:58:16] <eldereko> btrfs alone, no... bc its not a raid array, it handles a disk break same as ext4/etc
• 1776[16:58:49] <eldereko> thats why you put it on top of mdraid -> lvm -> btrfs
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• 1779[16:59:02] <protectionfault> can you link me a doc on how to setup a "synology" like set like that?
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• 1784[17:00:25] <eldereko> replaced-url
• 1785[17:00:42] <protectionfault> ty
• 1786[17:02:14] <eldereko> its actually pretty interesting... and i have another debian box running it successfully without any issues, which is why im not sure why im having such an issue this time
• 1787[17:02:35] <eldereko> only difference is im using gpt as this system has larger disks >2tb
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• 1790[17:04:04] <eldereko> also, ubuntu does the same thing
• 1791[17:06:06] <icedtea> is there a friendlier luks password prompt on boot for testing?
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• 1794[17:06:29] <icedtea> or gui one?
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• 1848[17:37:31] <jim> hi... how can I find out if lilypond has a full set of offline docs? (lilypond.org is returning "internal server error", but was working yesterday
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• 1872[17:48:04] <jim> that's interesting... lilypond{,-doc} is in wheezy, jessie, buster and sid... and in stretch-backports, but not in stretch
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• 1877[17:49:53] <jim> !why is lilypond not in stretch
• 1878[17:49:54] <dpkg> I think you lost me on that one, jim
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• 1880[17:50:35] <jim> ,why lilypond not in stretch
• 1881[17:50:36] <judd> No package named 'lilypond' was found in stretch/amd64.
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• 1884[17:52:32] <Ede|Popede> p.d.o. search does not return *any* results
• 1885[17:53:35] <Ede|Popede> oh yeah, stable is preselected
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• 1888[17:54:17] <jelly> ,v lilypond
• 1889[17:54:18] <judd> Package: lilypond on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.14.2-4; jessie: 2.18.2-4; stretch-backports: 2.19.81+really-2.18.2-13~bpo9+1; buster: 2.19.81+really-2.18.2-13; sid: 2.19.81+really-2.18.2-13; experimental: 2.19.82-1~exp1
• 1890[17:54:30] <jim> anyway, I'll install the backports, that would solve the immediate problem
• 1891[17:54:33] <jelly> what was your question again?
• 1892[17:54:49] <jim> jelly, hi. why not stretch?
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• 1894[17:55:20] <jelly> no idea, but usually thisd means the package was too buggy at time that release was frozen
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• 1896[17:56:36] <jelly> unfixed bugs with release-critical priorities get dropped from testing
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• 1905[18:01:25] <untakenstupidnic> is there some program that eases making deb packages or it should be done bare-handed?
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• 1910[18:04:25] <rant> untakenstupidnic: there are lots, depending on the needs
• 1911[18:05:02] <rant> untakenstupidnic: if you just want to package something for your own personal use, checkinstall might suffice
• 1912[18:05:14] <jim> jelly, oh, ok, and that won't stop it from getting into sid, stable+1, etc
• 1913[18:05:53] <untakenstupidnic> I have a few executables with a single dependecy.
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• 1916[18:06:39] <jelly> jim: it doesn't get removed from sid, but as long as there are RC bugs it won't be present in a release
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• 1920[18:07:21] <f3r70rr35f> hiii!!1
• 1921[18:08:22] <f3r70rr35f> Is there a way to make phpmyadmin to point to php7.0 instead of php7.3 on testing?
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• 1923[18:08:51] <rant> untakenstupidnic: replaced-url
• 1924[18:09:07] <f3r70rr35f> i'm having an issue with phpmyhadmin using php7.3 and failing beause it needs php-mbstring, which only is available on php7.0
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• 1926[18:09:55] <raidensnake> Does anyone know how to install and configure an embedded sum connection?
• 1927[18:10:05] <raidensnake> Sim*
• 1928[18:10:21] <jelly> f3r70rr35f: check for bug reports in package for phpmyadmin and report a new one if it has undeclared dependencies
• 1929[18:10:26] <jelly> !debian-next
• 1930[18:10:27] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
• 1931[18:10:30] <jelly> f3r70rr35f: ^
• 1932[18:10:42] <jelly> ask there about testing
• 1933[18:11:01] <f3r70rr35f> ty
• 1934[18:11:03] <f3r70rr35f> i
• 1935[18:11:09] <f3r70rr35f> i'll check there
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• 1937[18:14:50] <raidensnake> All I knot is it uses a gemalto semi firmware
• 1938[18:15:01] <raidensnake> Esim
• 1939[18:15:19] <raidensnake> Sorry stupid autocorrect.
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• 1997[18:40:23] <velix> I'm doing some stuff with tar. Are /usr/local/libexec/ and /usr/local/sbin/ valid paths in Debian?
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• 1999[18:41:01] <velix> Or is it /usr/lib/ because of FHS?
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• 2001[18:41:22] <velix> or /usr/local/lib?
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• 2011[18:44:27] <CrazyTux> does lxqt have all the features and functionalities that xfce has?
• 2012[18:44:55] <ayekat> velix: well, /usr/local/sbin exists, but not sure what /usr/local/libexec is for
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• 2015[18:45:19] <ayekat> velix: also, /usr/local is generally for software installed by the local system administrator (i.e. not by a distribution package)
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• 2022[18:45:47] <velix> ayekat: I think, I will follow replaced-url
• 2023[18:45:48] <ayekat> and the FHS defines both /usr/local/lib and /usr/lib
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• 2025[18:46:35] <erle-> velix, your "make install" should not write to /usr/lib
• 2026[18:46:41] <ayekat> velix: yeah, see also hier(7) and file-hierarchy(7)
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• 2028[18:47:33] <ayekat> velix: but you mentioned tar - what is it you're doing with it?
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• 2043[18:53:23] <velix> ayekat: STOW! sorry. Not tar :D
• 2044[18:53:25] <velix> stooreplaced-url
• 2045[18:53:25] <ripdisk> DoomPatrol: /part
• 2046[18:53:27] <ripdisk> wtrf
• 2047[18:53:29] <ripdisk> sorry
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• 2050[18:54:08] <ayekat> velix: ah - makes more sense ^^
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• 2059[18:55:50] <jelly> !stow
• 2060[18:55:51] <dpkg> extra, extra, read all about it, stow is a nifty program used to manage a /usr/local/ hierarchy. It keeps all the programs separate, so you can install and remove them without playing the "which program does that file belong to" game; ask me about <stow usage>. replaced-url
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• 2062[18:55:56] <jelly> oh that thing.
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• 2073[19:04:08] <velix> Actually, one of the applications I'm using is coming from Redhat. So stow doesn't help me to solve the "which program does that file belong to" game
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• 2079[19:06:44] <velix> !usrlocal
• 2080[19:06:44] <dpkg> When hand-compiling software, *always* create a new directory under /usr/local, then install into it. For example: mkdir -p /usr/local/mypackage; ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/mypackage. Otherwise, it can overwrite files which should be protected by apt, which can break apt, or apt can break this application's files because it doesn't know about them. See also: <equivs>, <FHS>, </opt>, <checkinstall>, <stow>, <make your own .deb>
• 2081[19:06:52] <velix> Do you see the dpkg messages?
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• 2090[19:12:15] <velix> Hmm... "run" is missing in replaced-url
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• 2097[19:14:42] <rwp> velix, /run is a recent invention.
• 2098[19:14:57] <velix> rwp: this is my friend: replaced-url
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• 2100[19:15:23] <rwp> Friends are good! :-)
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• 2110[19:22:38] <ayekat> hmm... never heard or read of /usr/local/{packagename} - what's the point of /usr/local/{bin,share,include,lib,...} then?
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• 2112[19:23:13] <ayekat> don't the "bundled" applications traditionally rather go into /opt/{software}?
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• 2114[19:24:44] <ayekat> also, that factoid kinda conflates the concept of creating a per-package directory under /usr/local with not conflicting with what apt installs (which shouldn't touch stuff in /usr/local anyway), no?
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• 2121[19:25:59] <rwp> I disagree with the bot factoid that it the best practice. Only when using 'stow' and then it is under the /usr/local/stow/PKGNAME directory.
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• 2123[19:26:45] <rwp> Since Debian Policy does not allow packages to install into /usr/local there is no possibility for collision of files with a Debian package there.
• 2124[19:27:34] <rwp> However 'stow' is really, really useful. Therefore I do recommend installing in /usr/local/stow/PKGNAME-version and then using stow to link it into /usr/local/bin/NAME and so forth.
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• 2127[19:28:32] <rwp> But if not using 'stow' then generally people install into /usr/local/bin directly. Management of files there is completely by the local admin.
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• 2137[19:38:56] <cadburn2> i'm on debian 9 running php 7.0 and i want to upgrade, what do i need in addition to this?
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• 2139[19:39:04] <cadburn2> replaced-url
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• 2142[19:40:01] <rwp> !next
• 2143[19:40:01] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
• 2144[19:40:09] <rwp> !debian-next
• 2145[19:40:10] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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• 2153[19:45:54] <SerajewelKS> cadburn2: what do you want to upgrade? debian? php?
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• 2155[19:46:00] <SerajewelKS> cadburn2: is there a particular reason you want to upgrade?
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• 2158[19:47:22] <SerajewelKS> !sns
• 2159[19:47:22] <dpkg> Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
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• 2161[19:48:19] <jelly> cadburn2: deb.sury.org is probably the safest option to get a newer php version, within the constraints you mentioned
• 2162[19:49:08] <karlpinc> (Easiest is to wait until buster becomes stable.)
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• 2164[19:51:01] <jelly> yes, waiting long enough will solve all the computing problems, or render them obsolete
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• 2183[19:58:22] <cadburn2> just php, nextcloud complains about the php version, atm i do not use features that would use newer versions
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• 2188[20:00:13] <jelly> then waiting until debian 10 might be an option
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• 2211[20:11:39] <rwp> Yesterday I upgraded a desktop from Stretch to Buster Testing. Buster itself seems in a good shape but the upgrade from one to the other broken in about five different ways that needed manual hand holding to get it through the upgrade.
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• 2214[20:13:28] <blackflow> rwp: sounds like bug report time and some consultation at #debian-next at OFTC :)
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• 2221[20:19:09] <Deihmos> during installation there is an option to choose firmware but what happens if you select none?
• 2222[20:19:28] <Deihmos> There is no way to manually install a firmware. when installation is complete you would't be able to boot
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• 2230[20:22:45] <Deihmos> *kernel
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• 2239[20:25:22] <jelly> Deihmos: if you select none, you get an installation without non-free firmware
• 2240[20:26:08] <Deihmos> i meant kernel. there is a selection of kernel images. if you select none you can't boot so how are you supposed to install a kernel?
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• 2245[20:27:08] <jelly> Deihmos: I'm not sure if that's possible. If it is, presumably the user that chooses to install no kernel will deal with that on their own.
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• 2249[20:28:27] <jelly> the user might provide a custom kernel of their own. Or might boot a different linux, mount and chroot into debian and install a linux-image-* package then
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• 2251[20:29:20] <Deihmos> I have a custom kernel. Is it possible to add it to the install?
• 2252[20:29:34] <jelly> maybe the user has a linux host and this debian installation is just a container. Lots of possibilities.
• 2253[20:29:52] <jelly> !custom d-i
• 2254[20:29:53] <dpkg> To create customized Debian <netinst> images, see replaced-url
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• 2256[20:30:12] <jelly> Deihmos: how many systems are you planning to install?
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• 2259[20:30:28] <jelly> info deihmos
• 2260[20:30:43] <jelly> hmph!
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• 2262[20:31:42] * jelly has not tried any of the customization steps linked above
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• 2265[20:31:57] <Deihmos> I’ll just install the kernel manually after install. That’s what I did in the past.
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• 2269[20:33:52] <jelly> if you already knew the answer to your question, perhaps the question was suboptimal.
• 2270[20:34:26] <Deihmos> I was wondering if I could skip that step since the installer has an a
• 2271[20:34:38] <Deihmos> option for none
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• 2273[20:35:04] <Deihmos> Thought maybe it would take me to a terminal to manually install it.
• 2274[20:35:24] <jelly> you can always get to a terminal on Alt-F3 console
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• 2276[20:35:47] <jelly> or was it Alt-F2
• 2277[20:35:55] <Deihmos> During install?
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• 2281[20:36:43] <jelly> yes, inside d-i
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• 2303[20:44:19] <n_1-c_k> I opened chromium and visited one site, a static site that sets no cookies. To my surprise, chromium reports "cookies were set when you viewed this page" and show two cookies from Google. Is that expected?
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• 2362[21:18:16] <cadburn2> i did update PHP but the installer gave me this: it says not enabling PHP 7.3 FPM by default to enable: NOTICE: a2enmod proxy_fcgi setenvif NOTICE: a2enconf php7.3-fpm
• 2363[21:18:17] <cadburn2> how do i do this?
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• 2366[21:20:32] <jmcnaught> are you using php-fpm?
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• 2369[21:21:11] <cadburn2> proably need it for nextcloud donno :P
• 2370[21:21:20] <cadburn2> i did install it though
• 2371[21:21:26] <jmcnaught> cadburn2: you probably want to review your apache2 configuration before you change things in it
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• 2373[21:22:42] <cadburn2> i assume apache2.conf?
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• 2380[21:24:54] <jmcnaught> start by looking in /etc/apache2/conf-enabled, /etc/apache2/mods-enabled and /etc/apache2/sites-enabled, all of the files in those directories are included by apache2.conf (by default)
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• 2384[21:26:12] <jmcnaught> how did you install nextcloud, from a package or from a tarball?
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• 2388[21:26:36] <cadburn2> from tarball if i remember correctly
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• 2396[21:28:31] <jmcnaught> php-fpm is one way of connecting php to the webserver, but there's also mod_php which you might also have used, looking in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/ should tell you which modules you have enabled (make a pastebin if you want others to check it out)
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• 2403[21:30:13] <cadburn2> php7.0.conf and php7.0.load are still in mods-enabled
• 2404[21:30:21] <pikaro> does apt 1.4.9 support http/2?
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• 2406[21:30:35] <pikaro> (or do later versions, out of interest)
• 2407[21:31:51] <jmcnaught> cadburn2: that's mod_php. so you probably want to disable php7.0 and enable php7.3 using the a2enmod and a2dismod commands, assuming that the third-party php7.3 packages you installed work like the Debian ones do
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• 2409[21:32:19] <cadburn2> how do i use the a2enmod and a2dismod commands?
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• 2413[21:33:47] <jmcnaught> cadburn2: you should probably start by reading /usr/share/doc/apache2/README.Debian.gz which explains how Debian organizes apache configuration. a2enmod/a2dismod also have man pages
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• 2417[21:34:15] <jmcnaught> i'm reluctant to just give commands to copy/paste because i don't know your server config and don't want to help you break it
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• 2447[21:49:13] <pikaro> or, alternatively, what backend does it use? I'm getting 400 errors from a repo that only supports http/2 on stable when using apt and openssl just implodes; curl and wget work fine. on sid, all of them work - I'd just like to confirm that that's the problem.
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• 2449[21:50:44] <rwp> !debian-next
• 2450[21:50:44] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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• 2452[21:50:56] <pikaro> how is that debian-next?!
• 2453[21:51:12] <pikaro> it's not working on stable
• 2454[21:51:29] <pikaro> I mentioned sid as a comparison point for bisection >.<
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• 2565[23:06:52] <Hussar> wow
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• 2606[23:37:58] <HelloShitty> Hello
• 2607[23:38:26] <HelloShitty> Isn't there a folder in Debian where is kept a list of packages there are (or were) installed in our system? Where is that folder?
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• 2616[23:40:23] <petn-randall> HelloShitty: /var/log/apt/history.log lists that info, I guess.
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• 2635[23:48:38] <rant> HelloShitty: dpkg -l | egrep ^.i
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• 2637[23:49:45] <rant> HelloShitty: dpkg -l | egrep ^.i | awk '{print $2}'
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• 2640[23:50:13] <rant> HelloShitty: the 2nd one will show only the package names not the status, version, description
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• 2643[23:50:44] <rant> HelloShitty: redirect to a file if you like > package.list
• 2644[23:51:17] <aloo_shu> marvellous nick
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• 2648[23:55:33] <Someone_Else> I defined a ip6tables rule.v6 file and enabled it at boot, but it doesn't work
• 2649[23:55:56] <Someone_Else> I tried the line that errors: ip6tables -A FORWARD -i ens3 -j USER-FILTER: ip6tables v1.6.0: Couldn't load target `USER-FILTER':No such file or directory
• 2650[23:56:26] <Someone_Else> in the rule file, at the top, I explicitly defined the USER-FILTER chain
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• 2652[23:56:33] <dvs> As?
• 2653[23:56:34] <Someone_Else> iptables, however, works fine
• 2654[23:56:46] <HelloShitty> petn-randall:
• 2655[23:56:59] <HelloShitty> It's a folder where the .deb files installed by apt are...
• 2656[23:57:08] <HelloShitty> it's not a file with a list of packages
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• 2658[23:57:25] <HelloShitty> I remember once I have deleted this folder contents and it was over 700Mb
• 2659[23:57:34] <HelloShitty> and I need to free some space up
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• 2661[23:59:50] <petn-randall> HelloShitty: Then run 'apt-get clean'.
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