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• 6[00:02:37] <yahal> petn-randall: I would change the hoster, if I would be still in revocation time
• 7[00:04:59] <rydare> thanks for your help Anarchic
• 8[00:05:01] <rydare> er
• 9[00:05:04] <rydare> sorry for the highlight
• 10[00:05:14] <rydare> oh they left
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• 18[00:16:07] <spacedust> when is debian buster going to be release? approx ?
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• 20[00:18:05] <tacocat> mid 2019, replaced-url
• 21[00:20:14] <petn-randall> !wwbr
• 22[00:20:14] <dpkg> Debian 10 "Buster" start the <freeze> process on 2019-01-12 and should release mid-2019. replaced-url
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• 27[00:23:32] <yahal> petn-randall: dist-upgrade worked, ufw works again
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• 34[00:32:19] <yahal> petn-randall: thx for the help
• 35[00:33:00] <petn-randall> yahal: you're welcome
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• 97[02:09:28] <dfcnvt> I'm looking at the file "syslog" -- where can I find the line that has to do with the time I locked the screen?
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• 100[02:11:29] <rydare> you could pass it to the program
• 101[02:11:31] <rydare> 'grep'
• 102[02:11:59] <rydare> it'll search for the lines that contain your input
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• 104[02:13:16] <dina16> hi
• 105[02:13:36] <dina16> i just installed termite in debian sid from source
• 106[02:13:50] <dina16> i want to know where is the config file
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• 108[02:14:52] <Habbie> dina16, what do you mean 'from source'?
• 109[02:15:42] <dina16> apt install termit
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• 112[02:17:09] <Habbie> that's not "from source"
• 113[02:17:23] <dina16> yes it's my mistake
• 114[02:17:32] <dina16> i means source debian
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• 116[02:18:29] <petn-randall> dina16: `dpkg -L termite` will tell you all the files it installs, check for those in /etc/.
• 117[02:19:14] <petn-randall> dina16: There is no such package called 'termite' in sid.
• 118[02:19:25] <dina16> yes
• 119[02:19:28] <dina16> ut's termit
• 120[02:20:05] <petn-randall> dina16: replaced-url
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• 122[02:20:50] <dina16> thnk's bro all oky
• 123[02:20:57] <dina16> thnk you
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• 125[02:22:13] <dina16> good night sir
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• 130[02:25:45] <usney> what's the best way to have debian install unattended upgrades?
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• 134[02:30:08] <Unit193> Not sure about 'best', but unattended-upgrades is a package.
• 135[02:30:10] <Unit193> ,i unattended-upgrades
• 136[02:30:11] <judd> Package unattended-upgrades (admin, optional) in stretch/amd64: automatic installation of security upgrades. Version: 0.93.1+nmu1; Size: 60.2k; Installed: 246k
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• 141[02:40:13] <dfcnvt> When I use [Ctrl + Alt + Down] or [Ctrl + Alt + Up] -- it switches to different desktop but only on my left-hand monitor.
• 142[02:40:34] <dfcnvt> I have two monitors -- the right hand monitor didn't do any switching to different desktop.
• 143[02:40:43] <dfcnvt> What goes wrong? How do I fix this?
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• 146[02:43:02] <iWaldo> anybody have a link or two to content re: building a debian email server with a virtual host? working on setting up an EC2 instance right now and have a few resources but they all seem to be hit/miss in certain areas (e.g. one suggests leaving port 22 open to the entire web).
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• 155[03:02:20] <Henry151> howdy folks
• 156[03:04:08] <Henry151> I had previously got netflix working with chromium by following the most upvoted answer here: replaced-url
• 157[03:04:33] <Henry151> I just ran an "apt update && apt upgrade" for the first time in longer than i'd like to admit, and now it doesn't work anymore.
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• 159[03:05:23] <Henry151> So i tried repeating my exact steps from before with the libwidevinecdm.so file, downloading it and putting it where it should be, but it didn't seem to make any difference. Any ideas?
• 160[03:08:08] <usney> Unit193 does unattended upgrades need configuration or are the defaults fine?
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• 165[03:18:34] <Henry151> i made sure i was getting the latest version of the .so file by checking replaced-url
• 166[03:18:54] <Henry151> any guidance on what I might be able to do to un-break this would be great
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• 170[03:19:31] <Henry151> i don't have a girlfriend on the way to netflix & chill with me or anything but I'm sad about this unexpected barrier to watching netflix :'(
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• 172[03:19:42] <Unit193> usney: No idea.
• 173[03:21:21] <Henry151> I am i guess being kinda stubborn because i have netflix working in firefox, but i have a username and password saved in chromium, and i could just pull the username and password out and type it into firefox, but I am just stubbornly wanting to fix what i broke
• 174[03:22:58] <rydare> Henry151: Chromium or Chrome
• 175[03:23:11] <rydare> oh sorry
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• 177[03:23:13] <rydare> i just saw the logs
• 178[03:23:15] <rydare> disregard
• 179[03:23:29] <Henry151> chromium, yep. I have chrome installed as well but i never did get netflix working there.
• 180[03:23:43] <rydare> really? netflix works just like it does in windows for me
• 181[03:23:44] <rydare> with chrome
• 182[03:23:57] <Henry151> hm
• 183[03:24:01] <Henry151> maybe i'll give it a go
• 184[03:24:06] <Henry151> but no, it never worked for me before
• 185[03:24:11] <Henry151> that's why i installed chromium
• 186[03:24:20] <rydare> i dont have netflix
• 187[03:24:26] <rydare> but i just tried prime video with chrome stable
• 188[03:24:31] <rydare> started the movied
• 189[03:24:32] <rydare> movie
• 190[03:25:41] <Henry151> also strangely, when i go in my saved passwords in chromium, i don't have the netflix password there.. i have some other person's netflix password but not my sister's one that i've got permission to use
• 191[03:25:56] <rydare> weird
• 192[03:26:00] <Henry151> so i can't even just copy-paste my passwords to firefox or chrome stable to try it out :/
• 193[03:26:09] <rydare> cant you just login to chrome
• 194[03:26:24] <Henry151> i def had it working in chromium until this last time doing apt update and apt upgrade
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• 196[03:26:36] <Henry151> actually that explains it
• 197[03:26:46] <Henry151> i'm logged in to chrome under my nephews account in chromium
• 198[03:26:50] <Henry151> he has the password saved
• 199[03:26:52] <Henry151> :D
• 200[03:27:18] <Henry151> well he's not sleeping yet so i can probably get him to log me in in chrome-stable or firefox to see if it works
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• 203[03:28:42] <rydare> yeah chrome-stable has widevine built in
• 204[03:28:55] <rydare> and a newer version of flash than is available for other browsers on linux
• 205[03:29:03] <rydare> and google botnets
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• 207[03:29:34] <rydare> I was using FreeBSD and neither Firefox nor Chromium had WIDEVINE, and you couldn't just paste it in since it's a binary that has to be built for the OS
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• 229[03:52:32] <Henry151> well i got logged in in firefox. Time to uninstall chrome! I hate google anyway.
• 230[03:53:28] <winny> :)
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• 239[04:03:08] <Katnip> G Suite > *
• 240[04:03:11] <Katnip> :)
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• 247[04:15:28] <indigoblue> anyone know of any recommended alternatives to dmidecode now that userland DMA is no longer allowed by default?
• 248[04:17:09] <indigoblue> maybe I missed the memo and forgot to install a package or something but access to /dev/mem is getting blocked, even as root.
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• 257[04:29:00] <usney> how do I disable debian from trying to initialize gpu 3d acceleration module during boot?
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• 259[04:29:15] <usney> I don't need it as I have console mode only on that machine
• 260[04:31:30] <usney> I thought maybe if I got rid of that bootup would be a little faster?
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• 274[05:00:45] <xxzz> hi, is KDE5 broken?
• 275[05:04:34] <jgkamat> you're probably going to need to provide more info than that to get anything
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• 279[05:18:31] <xxzz> jgkamat: I am trying to figure that out
• 280[05:18:47] <xxzz> this thing never happened before
• 281[05:19:02] <jgkamat> no one knows what the thing is
• 282[05:19:36] <xxzz> at first there was qml-* error, upgraded to buster, reinstalled KDE and now the applications are back but a lot of packages are missing
• 283[05:20:13] <xxzz> the metapackage KDE-full doesn't install everything
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• 285[05:20:41] <xxzz> anyway I purged the KDE, running auto-remove and will reinstall kde-full
• 286[05:21:33] <xxzz> yesterday before switching to STABLE I got plasma apps missing error
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• 288[05:22:25] <jgkamat> what's the error, could you pastebin the error you're getting now
• 289[05:22:50] <xxzz> let the reinstall finish
• 290[05:22:53] <jgkamat> most likleAy there are conflicting packages somewhere
• 291[05:22:55] <jgkamat> whoops
• 292[05:23:10] <xxzz> doubt it
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• 299[05:35:41] <cmyers> debian superfriends, I am utterly stuck and could really use some help. If anyone is around who has debian-installer expertise, I am having difficulties which I suspect are hardware-compat related. I've filed this bug but hoping someone might be able to help me do some real-time debugging: replaced-url
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• 314[05:53:04] <xxzz> jgkamat: got it working
• 315[05:53:16] <xxzz> thanks
• 316[05:54:54] <jgkamat> I didn't help at all, but I'm happy you got it working :P
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• 320[05:58:06] <wr> did a apt install on my debian and get a "E: You don't have enough free space in /var/cache/apt/archives/", i had previously 950gb of my 1tb disk free, what could be the issue?
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• 322[05:59:52] <xxzz> I have now su error
• 323[06:00:00] <xxzz> only sudo seems to work
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• 344[06:48:57] <indigoblue> hmm
• 345[06:49:10] <indigoblue> anyone know why dmidecode can't access /dev/mem?
• 346[06:49:14] <indigoblue> i have root access
• 347[06:49:42] <indigoblue> my kernel is 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-amd64
• 348[06:51:45] <aaii> I have a problem in debian xfce and for that i have press this command "xfwm4 --replace" after system on or reboot.How i can do it auto?
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• 365[07:18:05] <xxzz> Hi, I get this dpkg: warning: 'ldconfig' not found in PATH or not executable
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• 369[07:19:39] <dkf> i've installed sid, and it didn't delete the nls support packages after install. is that a normal behavior?
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• 371[07:23:15] <dkf> now I have firefox, libreoffice help files in 10 languages or so installed
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• 374[07:29:54] <at0m> dkf: irc.oftc.net/debian-next and localepurge can help
• 375[07:30:20] <at0m> xxzz: running testing?
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• 377[07:30:29] <xxzz> at0m: yeah
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• 379[07:31:03] <at0m> irc.oftc.net/debian-next for sid and testing, but for now, do "su -" instead of su
• 380[07:31:09] <xxzz> stretch got borked mysteriously and I had to move to testing
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• 382[07:31:14] <xxzz> most issues are fixed
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• 387[07:33:35] <at0m> or, after you su, "source /etc/profile" which should happen automatically, but doesnt
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• 390[07:34:46] <xxzz> at0m: after a reboot the source should happen automatically
• 391[07:35:11] <at0m> well, you're not running stable, but subscribed to be a testing rabbit
• 392[07:35:38] <at0m> and yes, it should, but testing and sid are not stable
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• 394[07:36:44] <at0m> xxzz: and it does after reboot (whatever that means, try logging in as root on a tty and it will be sourced), just not on su
• 395[07:36:51] <at0m> hence, su -
• 396[07:37:05] <xxzz> okay
• 397[07:37:16] <xxzz> so what I should do to fix it on su -
• 398[07:37:23] <at0m> nothing
• 399[07:37:41] <at0m> su - then echo $PATH and PATH will be correct as per /etc/profile
• 400[07:37:58] <at0m> just not on plain su
• 401[07:38:06] <xxzz> yes
• 402[07:38:11] <xxzz> alias
• 403[07:39:39] <at0m> that's a known bug currently in testing, and it's part of a much bigger change which has yet to be worked out, if i understand correctly
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• 405[07:41:27] <at0m> tl;dr su is in a different package on debian compared to other distros. changing the package, which is essential for any debian installation, has a whole lot of dependencies complications
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• 407[07:44:41] <xxzz> I added PATH in /root/.bashrc
• 408[07:45:07] <xxzz> i figured
• 409[07:45:20] <xxzz> i think i need to subscribe to ml
• 410[07:45:35] <xxzz> Debian is pretty solid never experienced such thing before
• 411[07:45:58] <at0m> or go to irc.oftc.net/debian-next which supports testing and sid
• 412[07:46:21] <xxzz> i will check
• 413[07:46:22] <xxzz> thank you
• 414[07:47:44] <at0m> xxzz: maybe next time, stick to stable and use backports instead
• 415[07:47:55] <at0m> dpkg: tell xxzz about backports
• 416[07:49:39] <xxzz> stable broke and had to switch to testing
• 417[07:49:50] <xxzz> there was qml-* mess
• 418[07:50:12] <xxzz> took 18 hours for a back-up and then another 4 hours for fixing things
• 419[07:50:46] <at0m> all of stable broke? probably a smaller issue that could have been fixed, but hard to tell now
• 420[07:50:49] <xxzz> kde-full metapackage should recursively uninstall everything KDE but that didn't happen
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• 422[07:51:08] <xxzz> I have a full backup and I can boot off it
• 423[07:51:09] <at0m> oh, and testing has problems with KDE for now
• 424[07:51:19] <xxzz> no it is all working
• 425[07:51:26] <at0m> so much for fixing by upgrading
• 426[07:51:27] <at0m> ok
• 427[07:51:46] <xxzz> Buster KDE is awesome
• 428[07:51:51] <xxzz> SUSE like almost
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• 430[07:52:38] <at0m> no tray vanished, no icons or runner missing? then it's probably just been fixed, lucky you =)
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• 432[07:52:53] <xxzz> all that happened
• 433[07:52:56] <nekoseam> Wait so Debian switched to Firefox Quantum?
• 434[07:53:04] <at0m> ,v firefox
• 435[07:53:05] <judd> Package: firefox on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.0-1~bpo80+1; sid: 61.0.1-1; experimental: 62.0~b16-1
• 436[07:53:05] <xxzz> removed entire KDE and reinstalled
• 437[07:53:08] <at0m> ,v firefox-esr
• 438[07:53:09] <judd> Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.1.0esr-1~bpo80+1; stretch: 52.6.0esr-1~deb9u1; wheezy-security: 52.8.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 52.8.1esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 52.8.1esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 52.9.0esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 52.9.0esr-1; sid: 60.1.0esr-3
• 439[07:53:19] <xxzz> brb, need some coffee
• 440[07:53:22] <at0m> xxzz: lol the fix is much easier
• 441[07:53:26] <nekoseam> there's a god after all
• 442[07:53:36] <at0m> xxzz: but that's why #debian-next on OFTC
• 443[07:53:44] <xxzz> at0m: what's the fix?
• 444[07:53:55] <xxzz> OFTC doesn't like me
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• 446[07:54:40] <xxzz> bbiaf
• 447[07:54:47] <at0m> xxzz: aptitude -t unstable safe-upgrade ~i~V5.47.0
• 448[07:59:37] <at0m> xxzz: since it's fixed in 5.49 again
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• 451[08:09:01] <xxzz> at0m: thanks, I will try that on backup
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• 453[08:09:30] <xxzz> I think for now all stuff is fixed, after breakie I will check errors if any
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• 487[09:24:19] <boblamont> Hi, I'm going to (try) to install Debian onto a usb stick. I'd like to make it "unversal" (so it can be used on multiple computers), is there a way to do that, or will it try to configure itself to the machine I use to install it?
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• 496[09:38:02] <spacedust> boblamont: i think it will just work
• 497[09:38:21] <spacedust> boblamont: but maybe its better if you use an SSD
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• 499[09:40:56] <boblamont> spacedust: I had it running on the usb drive before, but I have to reinstall (it got messed up in a power outage). The thing is, I'd rather do the installation at home rather than where the computer is (or lug the computer back and forth)... I'm not so much concerned with the drive as I am whether it will boot a different computer than the one I use to do the install
• 500[09:41:27] <boblamont> I don't plan on using a gui, and that's where driver troubles usually come from
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• 505[09:47:20] <spacedust> boblamont: i think you will be just fine
• 506[09:47:37] <spacedust> boblamont: at least lat time i tried that works
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• 508[09:48:18] <spacedust> the kernel doesn't changes based on one pc or the other, as far as i know
• 509[09:49:29] <boblamont> ok, I might as well try it, worst case, I'll have to do it again. Thanks.
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• 511[09:50:32] <spacedust> boblamont: yes :)
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• 517[10:06:29] <fedorafan> anyone using debian 9 in a virtual box?
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• 521[10:08:37] <fedorafan> hmm
• 522[10:08:41] <fedorafan> its very slow 1gb is too less right
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• 524[10:11:46] <iflema> fedorafan: get dvd or aUSB and go bare metal and then ask that question...
• 525[10:12:08] <fedorafan> what is bare metal ands its already installed with guest additions
• 526[10:12:24] <iflema> fedorafan: a realbox
• 527[10:12:43] <fedorafan> so you dont support vm questions?
• 528[10:12:54] <iflema> me?
• 529[10:12:59] <fedorafan> what is a realbox
• 530[10:13:01] <iflema> the channel who can tell
• 531[10:13:19] <fedorafan> im here in debian and using debian 9 so its related
• 532[10:13:36] * iflema at ease soldier
• 533[10:14:08] <fedorafan> ???
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• 535[10:14:12] <iflema> jst saying... good luck
• 536[10:14:16] <fedorafan> ok
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• 609[11:33:40] <choice> Hello!
• 610[11:35:02] <digdilem> fedorafan, debian works fine in a VM, just like every other distro. If it's slow, you're asking too much of the resources - allocate more. It's quite straight forward.
• 611[11:35:19] <digdilem> debian's base footprint is very light, but nobody here knows what you're running on that box so your question is very vague
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• 615[11:37:27] <BCMM> digdilem: i missed the question, but is it possible that vmware guest additions aren't installed, and the user has tried other distros where they were installed by default?
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• 617[11:37:40] <BCMM> (or comparable drivers for other VM systems)
• 618[11:37:45] <choice> When I boot and Grub asks me for the password to my encryted partition, it does not show *** signs while I type. It simply shows nothing. Is that normal?
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• 620[11:38:10] <BCMM> choice: i'd say that's conventional behaviour for command-line applications
• 621[11:38:23] <BCMM> choice: at least in the unix world. sudo and su do the same thing.
• 622[11:38:32] <choice> BCMM: I see. Thanks.
• 623[11:38:33] <BCMM> it's just gui stuff that uses stars (or those circles, these days)
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• 626[11:39:29] <choice> Not having visual feedback clashes with some other bug that is going on.
• 627[11:39:44] <choice> When it prompts me for a password, I cannot type for 10 or 20 seconds.
• 628[11:39:47] <choice> I dont know why.
• 629[11:40:05] <fedorafan> digdilem allocate more so hmm what
• 630[11:40:12] <choice> Combined with the no visual feedback, that makes my boot process a strange dance.
• 631[11:40:19] <choice> Any ideas how to debug this?
• 632[11:40:31] <digdilem> fedorafan, processor, if thephysical box has it.
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• 634[11:40:45] <digdilem> more cpu = faster. 1gb of ram should be plenty for starting off
• 635[11:40:58] <fedorafan> System Information: Model: MacBook Pro (Late 2008) • OS: OS X El Capitan (Version 10.11.6, Build 15G22010)
• 636[11:41:03] <fedorafan> moment
• 637[11:41:03] <BCMM> choice: ah, try fiddling with any fast boot settings your motherboard might have
• 638[11:41:24] <choice> BCMM: Let me see if I find any ...
• 639[11:41:31] <BCMM> choice: i've seen more than one machine where USB keyboards don't always initialize in time for grub to use them
• 640[11:41:32] <fedorafan> System Information: Model: MacBook Pro (Late 2008) • CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo P8600 (2 Threads, 2 Cores) @ 2.40 GHz • Memory: 4,00 GB • Uptime: 16 days • Disk Space: 119,17 GB • Graphics: NVIDIA GeForce 9400M, NVIDIA GeForce 9600M GT • Screen Resolution: 1440 x 900 • OS: OS X El Capitan (Version 10.11.6, Build 15G22010)
• 641[11:42:35] <BCMM> huh, apple made 16:10 laptops?
• 642[11:42:45] <choice> BCMM: There are many options. I wonder which one to look for.
• 643[11:42:58] <choice> BCMM: There is "Setup Prompt Timeout" for example.
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• 645[11:43:15] <BCMM> choice: that should just be the "press f2 to blah blah" message
• 646[11:43:23] <choice> Ah
• 647[11:43:28] <BCMM> choice: is this an efi system?
• 648[11:43:51] <choice> BCMM: I think so. I'm not sure.
• 649[11:44:16] <BCMM> choice: if there's a toggle to just turn fast boot on and off, try changing that. if there's a whole section of fast boot options, try changing the option for early usb initialisation
• 650[11:44:44] <choice> BCMM: So far, I have not encountered the word 'fast' in the Bios settings.
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• 652[11:45:01] <fedorafan> digdilem so I give it 2gb
• 653[11:45:04] <fedorafan> lets see
• 654[11:45:36] <choice> There are settings "Legacy USB Support" that can be turned on or off.
• 655[11:45:56] <BCMM> choice: actually that might works as a workaround
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• 657[11:46:28] <fedorafan> I can active PAE/NX
• 658[11:46:31] <choice> BCMM: It's enabled atm. Should I disable it?
• 659[11:46:38] <BCMM> choice: yeah, try that
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• 662[11:46:42] <choice> Ok
• 663[11:46:46] <fedorafan> paravirtualizing I also have some options
• 664[11:47:02] <fedorafan> graphics i could also increase it
• 665[11:47:29] <choice> BCMM: Now I cannot move the cursor in Grubs menu anymore.
• 666[11:47:38] <spacedust> BCMM: your name always reminds me of broadcom :) lol
• 667[11:47:43] <BCMM> choice: that option usually means that the bios intercepts messages from the USB mouse and keyboard, and presents them to the OS as emulated PS/2 devices
• 668[11:48:20] <BCMM> choice: on bios systems it might need to be enabled to have any keyboard support in grub at all, i'm not sure though
• 669[11:48:24] <choice> BCMM: So I had to wait for Grub to timeout. Then it asked me for the password and that again did not work for 20s or so.
• 670[11:48:50] <BCMM> i think i'm out of ideas, sorry
• 671[11:49:00] <choice> C'est la vie.
• 672[11:49:52] <choice> I cannot even enter the Bios settings anymore now \o/
• 673[11:50:28] <choice> Damn, I'm completely fucked now.
• 674[11:50:31] <choice> What can I do?
• 675[11:52:48] <choice> I also disable the bios 'splash screen'. I think that was the one waiting for F2 to enter the bios menu. Now it does not wait anymore. Will I never get back into the Bios menu now?
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• 687[12:10:17] <SPF> what is the best way to troubleshoot systemctl? apache2 fails to start but the apache2 init script redirects to systemctl
• 688[12:10:49] <choice> SPF: How does it fail?
• 689[12:11:10] <bites> systenctl status apache2 should give you information. or journalctl -u apache2
• 690[12:11:33] <SPF> Failed to run 'start' task: No such file or directory
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• 692[12:11:49] <SPF> replaced-url
• 693[12:12:16] <choice> SPF: Hastebin does not work here. Seems to require external javascript.
• 694[12:12:44] <SPF> choice: replaced-url
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• 696[12:13:52] <choice> SPF: Is that on Debian 9?
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• 698[12:14:18] <SPF> choice: yes
• 699[12:14:45] <choice> SPF: What happens why you run 'service apache2 start'?
• 700[12:15:33] <SPF> same output as systemctl start apache2.service
• 701[12:16:54] <SPF> I tried with strace to figure out what is missing, but I do not know how to strace systemctl
• 702[12:17:39] <choice> SPF: It's not a fresh install I guess? What is the history of the system?
• 703[12:18:39] <SPF> I think it started with debian 7
• 704[12:19:01] <SPF> upgraded to 8 and later upgraded to 9
• 705[12:19:12] <SPF> after upgrade to 9, system was rebooted and came back without any problems
• 706[12:19:25] <choice> I see. I would just do a fresh install of Debian 9.
• 707[12:19:45] <SPF> what about apache2 purge?
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• 709[12:19:57] <choice> Well, you could try all kinds of thing.
• 710[12:20:00] <choice> things
• 711[12:20:15] <choice> I prefer to have a history as small as possible for all my systems.
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• 713[12:20:26] <choice> So I can reproduce the installation process any time.
• 714[12:20:45] <SPF> I prefer that as well, but reinstall takes a lot of time
• 715[12:20:46] <choice> Makes it easier to reason about things.
• 716[12:20:55] <choice> Why does it take a lot of time?
• 717[12:21:33] <SPF> have to make a backup of all files and configuration
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• 720[12:21:51] <SPF> wipe the disk, install, configure and copy everything back
• 721[12:21:53] <choice> Do you use a lot of different software on the machine?
• 722[12:22:06] <SPF> no, not really
• 723[12:22:27] <choice> Then if you have the configuration documented, it should not take so long.
• 724[12:22:55] <choice> I usually put the configuration into a script so I can run that and it does everything.
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• 726[12:24:03] <choice> So usually I can recreate a machine from scratch in a few hours.
• 727[12:24:07] <SPF> yea, I have that as well. It automatically updates configuration files. I also have a list of packages I install afterwards
• 728[12:25:33] <SPF> but still, I want to know how to troubleshoot systemctl. Might learn something new
• 729[12:25:53] <choice> I see. I can't help with that though.
• 730[12:26:05] <BCMM> i think *everybody* wants to know how to troubleshoot systemctl
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• 732[12:26:30] <choice> I can't even fix my boot process :)
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• 734[12:27:16] <choice> Going to play some Fortnite instead.
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• 746[12:40:06] <dutchfish> BCMM, you could start with `sudo systectl status` and `sudo systemd-analyze blame` , maybe?
• 747[12:41:07] <dutchfish> BCCM, sorry for my typo, s/systectl/systemctl
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• 754[12:46:12] <FXpro> hi.
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• 756[12:46:34] <FXpro> why is there a limit to the number of primary partitions of 4?
• 757[12:47:19] <FXpro> you would think there would be no limits at all of any type of partition you can make on a disk.
• 758[12:48:14] <jasabella> FXpro… replaced-url
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• 762[12:49:00] <dutchfish> FXpro, it a thing form the past, nowadays partitioning can be done differently, for the history see: replaced-url
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• 765[12:51:18] <FXpro> dutchfish, how can I fix it?
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• 769[12:52:18] <dutchfish> FXpro, i short, remove one of the primary, create an extended partition and in there logical partitions.
• 770[12:52:23] <FXpro> this is an old laptop someone gave me. its a dell latitude d630 with 2gb or ram. I want to put windows 10 at the front, and then a flavor of debian in the middle, then use the rest for backups and downloading. the limit is 4 primary partitions.
• 771[12:52:41] <dutchfish> FXpro, correct
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• 773[12:52:44] <FXpro> so the swap file then of 8gb.
• 774[12:53:00] <FXpro> if there is 2gb of ram, 8gb for swap file should be good I would imagine.
• 775[12:53:03] <dutchfish> FXpro, read what i said.
• 776[12:53:12] <FXpro> the final partition I want to be nfts so I can access it bothw ays.
• 777[12:53:30] <FXpro> ok so let me try that.
• 778[12:53:40] <diogenes_> FXpro, you need to use gpt instead of mbr and reate as many partitions as you like
• 779[12:53:41] <FXpro> i will remove the swap file partition then.
• 780[12:53:55] <diogenes_> create*
• 781[12:53:57] <FXpro> ok how do I use gpt?
• 782[12:54:00] <jasabella> ( or use gpt )
• 783[12:54:07] <jasabella> hah
• 784[12:54:09] <jasabella> jinx
• 785[12:54:11] <FXpro> or can I convert the whole system as it is to gpt?
• 786[12:54:24] <diogenes_> first backup all your data
• 787[12:54:24] <dutchfish> diogenes_, while using gpt can be done, he prolly dont want to loose the ones he has already
• 788[12:54:27] <jasabella> conversion is dangerous
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• 791[12:54:48] <dutchfish> right
• 792[12:55:06] <diogenes_> in any case if he wants win 10 he needs gpt
• 793[12:55:43] <diogenes_> back all the data, erase the drive and set it as gpt instead of mbr
• 794[12:55:57] <dutchfish> diogenes_, thats not completely correct, but for the sake of easyness, you are right.
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• 796[12:57:40] <dutchfish> FXpro, whatever route you walk, make a complete backup f the whole driver. Maybe use a partitioning tool after that?
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• 798[12:58:38] <dutchfish> FXpro, you can make all your linux'es inside a extended aprtition, whithout touching, windows and your recovery partition.
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• 800[12:59:05] <jasabella> and by that, he means a block-level backup, not file-level
• 801[12:59:41] <dutchfish> FXpro, if you also want a partition thta can be shared by all your OSes, create that on a primary with extended FAT, it safes you alot of hassle.
• 802[12:59:50] <dutchfish> jasabella, yes, true.
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• 810[13:06:24] <FXpro> what about gpt?
• 811[13:10:54] <dutchfish> FXpro, you might want to start here: replaced-url
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• 814[13:11:50] <dutchfish> FXpro, also delve some more in EFI
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• 858[13:59:01] <rooftopjoe> hi. anyone got steam to work on debian stretch? my problem is that i have to install 32-bit opengl libs which want to remove my 64-bit driver. can't i have both 32-bit and 64-bit support?
• 859[13:59:18] <rooftopjoe> my nvidia driver, if the vendor matters
• 860[13:59:42] <rooftopjoe> and this probably doesn't matter but i use it via bumblebee
• 861[14:00:39] <rooftopjoe> there is a note regarding this here: replaced-url
• 862[14:01:02] <rooftopjoe> "Installing the 32-bit OpenGL libraries may uninstall the 64-bit drivers you may have previously installed. Installing the AMD graphics or NVIDIA graphics drivers for your system is recommended. The appropriate OpenGL library will be installed along with those drivers."
• 863[14:01:15] <rooftopjoe> but it doesn't really say how to fix it
• 864[14:01:33] <rooftopjoe> do i need to perhaps install a 32-bit driver, if one exists?
• 865[14:01:44] <rooftopjoe> and that will keep the 64-bit one? i imagine not
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• 868[14:09:46] <tw> iirc, installing steam from the package does not uninstall the 64-bit graphics libraries.
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• 870[14:10:15] <tw> I wouldn't follow these instructions though.
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• 873[14:11:10] <tw> doing add-architecture i386 and installing steam through the non-free package should be sufficient.
• 874[14:11:32] <rooftopjoe> tw: well apt prompts me it's going to uninstall them
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• 877[14:12:49] <tw> rooftopjoe: w/o manually installing the 32-bit packages it specifies below installing steam?
• 878[14:13:14] <tw> the steam package has the right deps in it for 64bit systems to get the 32-bit drivers it needs.
• 879[14:13:15] <rooftopjoe> no but steam won't start without the 32-bit glx stuff (since steam itself is 32-bit)
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• 883[14:15:39] <rooftopjoe> or maybe i'm making assumptions, let's check
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• 886[14:17:17] <rooftopjoe> nope, not working
• 887[14:18:04] <rooftopjoe> steam complains about the missing 32-bit stuff, it's not int the dependencies
• 888[14:18:35] <tw> Huh. nvidia graphics?
• 889[14:18:43] <rooftopjoe> yes
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• 891[14:19:35] <tw> My chroot script for steam only installs nvidia-driver-libs and steam.
• 892[14:19:43] <tw> I've never added anything else.
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• 894[14:20:05] <rooftopjoe> then you probably have a 32-bit driver already
• 895[14:20:38] <tw> replaced-url
• 896[14:20:45] <tw> No, it's a "clean install"
• 897[14:20:51] <tw> because it debootstraps in place.
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• 900[14:22:34] <rooftopjoe> mine is a clean install as well; just set it up this morning
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• 902[14:23:31] <tw> Can you pastebin the error?
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• 908[14:27:55] <rooftopjoe> tw: it's complaining that there's no 32-bit libGL.so.1, which is in the package they suggest there, libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386
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• 913[14:30:55] <rooftopjoe> and, frankly, it wouldn't make any sense for it to use 64-bit stuff since steam itself is 32-bit
• 914[14:31:27] <tw> except a lot of it isn't anymore.
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• 916[14:32:22] <rooftopjoe> yeah, it's half 64-bit and half 32-bit, lol
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• 918[14:35:13] <tw> Okay, when I installed it, installing nvidia-driver-libs w/ steam brought in both libgl1-glvnd-nvidia-glx:i386 and libgl1-glvnd-nvidia-glx:amd64
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• 921[14:37:15] <zarulyakuza> :)
• 922[14:37:19] <zarulyakuza> well done
• 923[14:37:24] <zarulyakuza> i there ..
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• 929[14:40:03] <Peyam> hi
• 930[14:40:11] <Peyam> how do I install firefox on debian?
• 931[14:40:29] <Peyam> there isn't candidate when I try sudo apt install firefox
• 932[14:41:04] <themill> ,i firefox-esr
• 933[14:41:05] <judd> Package firefox-esr (web, optional) in stretch/amd64: Mozilla Firefox web browser - Extended Support Release (ESR). Version: 52.6.0esr-1~deb9u1; Size: 45380.3k; Installed: 111583k; Screenshot: replaced-url
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• 937[14:42:38] <Peyam> ohh -esr for got it
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• 939[14:42:47] <Peyam> themill, thanks
• 940[14:43:01] <themill> np
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• 944[14:44:33] <tw> rooftopjoe: nvidia-driver-libs-i386 is also needed
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• 948[14:48:38] <zarulyakuza> same the this
• 949[14:48:40] <zarulyakuza> :)
• 950[14:48:45] <zarulyakuza> proxy?
• 951[14:49:04] <rooftopjoe> tw: Well, that's already a dependency of the nvidia driver metapackage.
• 952[14:49:15] <rooftopjoe> ah, i386, sorry
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• 954[14:49:46] <rooftopjoe> well, yes, it basically wants to install a 32-bit video driver instead of the 64-bit one (which it wants to remove)
• 955[14:51:37] <dgp> This is for steam? IIRC you get that when steam is trying to pull in 32bit gl libs. If you're using nvidia you need the 64bit drivers but the 64bit and 32bit nvidia gl stuff
• 956[14:52:57] <zarulyakuza> hmm...
• 957[14:53:09] <zarulyakuza> python?
• 958[14:53:21] <rooftopjoe> dpkg: the problem is that the 32-bit gl drivers want to uninstall the 64-bit driver and install a 32-bit one
• 959[14:53:23] <dpkg> ...but problem is already something else...
• 960[14:53:26] <zarulyakuza> yeah i know about the little easy
• 961[14:53:36] <rooftopjoe> dgp: sorry, that was for you
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• 963[14:54:03] <tw> rooftopjoe: there's something broken in the steam:i386 package where it wants libgl1-mesa-dri:i386 and libgl1-mesa-glx:i386 and won't accept nvidia substitutes.
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• 965[14:54:43] <rooftopjoe> but i already installed steam and it didn't pull mesa in
• 966[14:57:06] <rooftopjoe> actually, i do have mesa installed already so i have no idea what the dependencies are. either way, i don't think this is the issue
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• 968[14:57:48] <dka> I have Debian Stretch, I have install VMware player in order to install Windows 7 to be able to sync my Google Drive folder to do a backup. The version of VMware player 14 seems to have an issue to list the VM newly created. I have read that the version 12 does not have this issue but I can't find it, any idea where I should go?
• 969[14:58:34] <rooftopjoe> wait, why did you have to install windows 7 if all you needed was your google drive?
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• 972[15:00:01] <rooftopjoe> why didn't you just back your stuff up from debian?
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• 975[15:01:40] <rooftopjoe> tw: i think the solution to my issue is to simply let it remove the 32-bit stuff and then reinstall the 64-bit driver, which i don't think removes the 32-bit libs
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• 978[15:02:21] <rooftopjoe> perhaps i can hammer bumblebee into switching between the drivers
• 979[15:02:52] <dka> rooftopjoe, do you know a Google Drive client for linux?
• 980[15:03:08] <dka> cause we are too lazy to backup file by file
• 981[15:03:29] <rooftopjoe> dka: there are plenty, including one that comes with gnome3, if you have that
• 982[15:03:36] <dka> I have cinnamon
• 983[15:03:49] <dka> Can you send me something I can rely on?
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• 985[15:04:07] <dka> I only found links using Google and they all stated that a linux client for google drive is not existing yet
• 986[15:04:26] * zarulyakuza no comment .
• 987[15:04:38] <rooftopjoe> well not an official one but the api is public so people have written programs for you :)
• 988[15:05:08] <dka> replaced-url
• 989[15:05:10] <rooftopjoe> but i cannot recommend a specific one. i've used the gnome thing before
• 990[15:05:26] <rooftopjoe> do some research, see what people are happy with and what works for you
• 991[15:05:33] <rooftopjoe> and try it out
• 992[15:06:02] <dka> In all case, I want to be able to install Windows in VMware
• 993[15:06:08] <dka> as it is often the remaining solution
• 994[15:06:14] <dka> VMware player 14 is not reliable
• 995[15:06:21] <dka> I am looking for VMware player 12
• 996[15:06:23] <dka> can't find it
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• 1000[15:07:17] <rooftopjoe> i've found that natively running stuff via wine from linux or natively running linux stuff from windows gives way better performance than VMs
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• 1003[15:07:48] <dka> rooftopjoe, nice to know
• 1004[15:07:49] <themill> dka: for vmware help, you need to ask vmware
• 1005[15:08:15] <rooftopjoe> that said, i only have experience with qemu, kvm, etc.
• 1006[15:08:35] <rooftopjoe> don't know about vmware and its quirks
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• 1011[15:12:11] <dka> I can't find a debian client for google drive
• 1012[15:12:13] <dka> :
• 1013[15:12:14] <dka> ;D
• 1014[15:13:36] <themill> "apt-cache search google drive" lists several
• 1015[15:13:55] <Beggar> Anyone here has a good suggestion for an TTS that I can record my own voice and use it as recorded playback instead of a synthesizer ? Preferably something that works on stretch...
• 1016[15:14:53] <zarulyakuza> hmm.. excuse me the that1s debian project now?
• 1017[15:15:28] <themill> zarulyakuza: do you have a debian user support question we can help you with?
• 1018[15:15:52] <zarulyakuza> alright :)
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• 1044[15:47:09] <rooftopjoe> dka: and other than apt suggestions, literally the first google search lists 10 of them
• 1045[15:47:28] <rooftopjoe> how is it possible for people not to find things on the internet, i have no idea
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• 1054[15:53:55] <bipul> Hi, I would like to insert certian rules at specific position. Let says " FORWARD -o virbr0 -j REJECT --reject-with icmp-port-unreachable" How would i do that? i tried with -I options but does not work.
• 1055[15:53:55] <dvs> rooftopjoe, the Internet is big! ;-)
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• 1057[15:54:23] <dka> rooftopjoe, I did google search more than once and I did not find any client available on debian stretch
• 1058[15:54:28] <dka> i am looking at gdrive2
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• 1061[15:54:57] <rooftopjoe> what was your search query, out of curiosity?
• 1062[15:55:07] <rooftopjoe> because i cannot for the life of me understand how bad it can be
• 1063[15:56:44] <rooftopjoe> the first result is a page comparing 12 clients for me. the second compares 5, the next one is a how-to (probably talks about a few), the next is an apt package, etc.
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• 1065[15:57:12] <Beggar> in fact apt-cache does not return anything looking useful for the "google drive" query
• 1066[15:58:08] <themill> ,i rclone
• 1067[15:58:09] <judd> Package rclone (net, optional) in stretch/amd64: rsync for commercial cloud storage. Version: 1.35-1+b3; Size: 2678.7k; Installed: 10663k; Homepage: replaced-url
• 1068[15:58:26] <rooftopjoe> Beggar: does for me
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• 1070[16:00:08] <Beggar> rooftopjoe, the only result with the word google and drive is for an API, not everyone will understand the other results.
• 1071[16:00:36] <themill> packages have descriptions for a reason
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• 1073[16:01:27] <Beggar> Google drive supports WebDAV? If so, you can open Google drive using thunar, nautilus or any other file manager instead of using some fancy stuff
• 1074[16:02:16] <Beggar> themill, humans has brains for a reason, but who knows what reason is this?
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• 1079[16:04:49] <rooftopjoe> Yes, you can use nautilus, dolphin, etc. just fine. Not sure what protocol.
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• 1111[16:27:52] <YADW> Hello! I'm trying to compile a program (it's a modded version of pacman that works as a frontend to dpkg, that I need in order to download some libraries, that in turn I need for compiling another library, that I have to include into the source code of yet another program. Yes, it is THAT complicated.), but make is blurting some errors. Can anyone help me figuring out what's wrong?
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• 1114[16:28:40] <Habbie> YADW, please pastebin everything
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• 1119[16:30:57] <YADW> Habbie it's all here --> replaced-url
• 1120[16:32:12] <Habbie> a2x is in the debian asciidoc package
• 1121[16:32:29] <Habbie> replaced-url
• 1122[16:33:02] <YADW> Thank you very much, I'll try that right away ;)
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• 1167[16:46:34] <YADW> Alright, had to fix a couple more missing packages, but it looks like it's going on flawlessly so far.
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• 1180[16:52:21] <JohnA> does anu=ybody know if there is a tool to find unused variables in a bash script? I am trying to clean up some stuff I wrote.
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• 1184[16:54:05] <Habbie> JohnA, 'linter' might be a useful search term
• 1185[16:54:10] <Habbie> YADW, yay
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• 1189[16:56:34] <JohnA> Habbie: Thanks
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• 1192[17:00:00] <NetTerminalGene> guys, how can i install this theme in stretch? i copied files to .theme but i can't see it in gnome-tweak. other themes i installed works. replaced-url
• 1193[17:00:23] <NetTerminalGene> .themes
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• 1196[17:02:47] <ksk> JohnA: I know shellcheck, not sure if it does find "non error" things though, you might take a look
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• 1202[17:09:55] <phogg> JohnA: shellcheck should report that, I believe
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• 1206[17:12:20] <NetTerminalGene> ok. nevermind. i solved
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• 1232[17:36:39] <inquisitiv3> Is it possible to create template VMs with KVM like Qubes have?
• 1233[17:37:59] <inquisitiv3> I.e. to have virtual machines that act like the root FS for other VMs.
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• 1237[17:39:36] <dgp> There are probably tools that do what you want. Google might help
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• 1246[17:47:51] <inquisitiv3> dgp: I did that, but couldn't find any answer.
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• 1278[18:09:34] <Akuw> hi
• 1279[18:10:31] <Akuw> i made a backup of one dir /dir/sub-dir/sub-dir2
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• 1281[18:11:17] <Akuw> then i need to decompress but dont need /dir only sub-dir/sub-dir2 omiting dir
• 1282[18:12:35] <digdilem> Akuw, you can mess around with switches, or you can just decomp it into a temporary dir and move across what you need
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• 1288[18:15:49] <Akuw> digdilem: but how to move recursive
• 1289[18:16:06] <digdilem> just "mv dir /target" - it'll move everything in it at the same time
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• 1296[18:20:24] <Akuw> digdilem: but using tar ?
• 1297[18:20:29] <Akuw> do you have any example
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• 1306[18:26:01] <forbiddenicy> I'm running debian stretch and compiled python3.7 from source. I'm trying to run 'pip install -r requirements.txt' for a python script I need and the output is RuntimeError: aioredis doesn't support Python version prior 3.5
• 1307[18:26:15] <forbiddenicy> should I purge 3.5?
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• 1310[18:28:52] <forbiddenicy> i purged it and im still getting the same error message
• 1311[18:28:52] <Habbie> purging 3.5 might avoid some confusion
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• 1313[18:29:05] <Habbie> are you running pip in a venv?
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• 1316[18:29:52] <forbiddenicy> im running debian stretch w/ mate using MATE Terminal
• 1317[18:30:26] <forbiddenicy> python3.7 --version python 3.7.0
• 1318[18:30:43] <Habbie> what does pip --version say?
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• 1320[18:31:09] <forbiddenicy> pip --version pip 9.0.1 from /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages (python 2.7)
• 1321[18:31:22] <Habbie> try tabcompleting pip
• 1322[18:31:25] <Habbie> perhaps you have a pip3.7
• 1323[18:32:26] <forbiddenicy> i guess i have the version of pip from the debian repos
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• 1325[18:32:57] <forbiddenicy> If you installed Python from source, with an installer from python.org, or via Homebrew you should already have pip. If you’re on Linux and installed using your OS package manager, you may have to install pip separately, see Installing pip/setuptools/wheel with Linux Package Managers.
• 1326[18:33:05] <forbiddenicy> i guess i should remove the debian one?
• 1327[18:33:09] <forbiddenicy> *repo
• 1328[18:33:17] <Habbie> you don't -need- to remove anything
• 1329[18:33:22] <Habbie> you just need to make sure you are using the right version
• 1330[18:33:28] <forbiddenicy> ah how do I do that?
• 1331[18:33:40] <Habbie> see if you have any other pips
• 1332[18:33:42] <Habbie> like pip3.7
• 1333[18:33:50] <forbiddenicy> checking
• 1334[18:33:56] <Habbie> or use python3.7 -m pip install ...
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• 1337[18:37:45] <forbiddenicy> replaced-url
• 1338[18:37:47] <forbiddenicy> oh boy
• 1339[18:38:16] <jelly> ,v python3
• 1340[18:38:18] <judd> Package: python3 on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.2.3-6; jessie: 3.4.2-2; stretch: 3.5.3-1; buster: 3.6.5-3; sid: 3.6.6-1
• 1341[18:38:19] <Habbie> why did you type '...'?
• 1342[18:38:24] <Habbie> ,v python37
• 1343[18:38:26] <judd> No package named 'python37' was found in amd64.
• 1344[18:38:28] <Habbie> ,v python3.7
• 1345[18:38:29] <judd> Package: python3.7 on amd64 -- buster: 3.7.0-1; sid: 3.7.0-6
• 1346[18:38:42] <jelly> that on its own says "not just stretch"
• 1347[18:39:01] <forbiddenicy> i copied and pasted ... by mistake i didn't even notice it rofl
• 1348[18:39:04] <Habbie> forbiddenicy, python3.7 -m pip install -r requirements.txt
• 1349[18:39:11] <forbiddenicy> that explains the output sorry
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• 1351[18:39:18] <forbiddenicy> i didn't delete it the second time
• 1352[18:39:33] <jelly> presumably you'll be running pip in a virtualenv, not as root
• 1353[18:39:40] <forbiddenicy> that is correct
• 1354[18:40:20] <forbiddenicy> thank you habbie sorry
• 1355[18:40:29] <forbiddenicy> i forgot the version suffix
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• 1361[18:47:33] <forbiddenicy> ,v python-pip
• 1362[18:47:34] <judd> Package: python-pip on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.1-3; jessie: 1.5.6-5; stretch: 9.0.1-2; buster: 9.0.1-2.3; sid: 9.0.1-2.3
• 1363[18:49:13] <jelly> that's the python2 build. python3-pip however is the same version
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• 1389[19:07:54] <bipul> Hi, could anyone please help me to understand the default FORWARD chain policy created by libvirt. replaced-url
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• 1391[19:10:53] <ksk> bipul: if you ping a->b, the OUTPUT chain on a is hit, not FORWARD
• 1392[19:11:08] <joft> bipul: hi, didn't we talk about that yesterday?
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• 1394[19:11:31] <bipul> joft: Yes, you said that something need to move up.
• 1395[19:12:11] <joft> bipul: I yes I did ;-) ... but your rules are still in the same unfortunate order I remember them
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• 1397[19:13:42] <bipul> joft: It was not mine rule. It's libvirt generate when you create a network, with nat
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• 1400[19:16:32] <joft> bipul: so the challenge is to find out why libvirt is creating such an unfortunate order ... I honestly don't know, never used libvirt for iptables setup
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• 1402[19:17:27] <joft> bipul: I wonder if there is an option to tell libvirt to allow communication between the 2 virtual nets, that's what's missing, I guess
• 1403[19:19:42] <bipul> okay.
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• 1405[19:20:32] <bipul> joft: Between when i delete the 4th rules (-A FORWARD -o virbr1 -j REJECT --reject-with icmp-port-unreachable) , it works able to ping from node1 to node2
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• 1409[19:21:45] <joft> bipul: that's what I expected ... the other option is to re-order, like talked about yesterday
• 1410[19:22:11] <joft> bipul: in general you want to keep this REJECT rule - but, in the right place
• 1411[19:22:52] <bipul> joft: I'm just new to it, and learning. Could you please arrange it, it might helps me to understand. :(
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• 1475[20:29:28] <bipul> Sorry i went disconnected.
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• 1483[20:39:22] <k3g> Anyone feel like helping me identify if my GPU is running? I'm used to nvidia cards, but I recently switched over to an amd card, and I'd like to learn those sorts of tools
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• 1486[20:40:54] <diogenes_> k3g, su, lspci -nnk | grep VGA -A3
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• 1489[20:41:36] <k3g> lovely
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• 1491[20:42:33] <k3g> Thanks diogenes_ that did the trick. Is there a tool that's analogous to nvidia-smi for managing power/driver info/etc?
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• 1493[20:43:03] <diogenes_> k3g, inxi -Fx
• 1494[20:43:26] <diogenes_> but i have no clue about nvidia
• 1495[20:43:33] <diogenes_> i use nouveau happily :)
• 1496[20:43:45] <k3g> I'm just trying to convert my existing knowledge to what I now own :)
• 1497[20:44:42] <k3g> looks like inxi does a nice job of showing me everything all in one spot.. I'll keep reading around on interacting with the drivers
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• 1508[20:57:04] <idint> what package provides gpg2 binary?
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• 1552[21:31:09] <usney> how do I just backup all my system config files?
• 1553[21:31:19] <usney> do I backup all of /etc/?
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• 1564[21:41:30] <joft> usney: all of /etc/ is at least the first thing, then it depends on what exactly you have installed .... e.g. last time I checked samba has database files in /var, further simply example: cron jobs, usually in /var/spool
• 1565[21:42:00] <usney> thanks joft
• 1566[21:42:01] <annadane> !what to backup
• 1567[21:42:02] <dpkg> Some things you should back up include: /etc /home /root /usr/local /usr/src /opt /srv. Tailor to your own purposes. If you think you don't need /var, make sure you don't forget /var/lib/dpkg /var/backups /var/lib/apt* /var/lib/mysql /var/mail /var/replaced-url
• 1568[21:42:06] <joft> usney: then information about which packages are installed at all, also in /var, I think
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• 1570[21:42:51] <joft> annadane: great shortcut ;-)
• 1571[21:43:06] <usney> joft how do I setup a openvpn server on my old laptop?
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• 1573[21:43:19] <usney> I got debian 9 installed
• 1574[21:43:34] <usney> is there a tutorial on debian's wiki?
• 1575[21:43:40] <annadane> read replaced-url
• 1576[21:44:52] <usney> is it a benefit to use your own vpn as apposed to a 3rd party vpn?
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• 1578[21:45:13] <usney> I mean where does if it does exit out of?
• 1579[21:45:26] <usney> like the ip address is it still your internet address?
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• 1581[21:45:46] <usney> opposed*
• 1582[21:46:03] <annadane> using 3rd party VPNs in and of itself is a matter of complex consideration
• 1583[21:46:29] <annadane> replaced-url
• 1584[21:46:36] <joft> usney: just for completeness, regarding backup: I usually backup all of the rootfs, disk space is usually cheap, so ...
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• 1587[21:48:23] <usney> rootfs?
• 1588[21:48:31] <annadane> root filesystem
• 1589[21:48:35] <annadane> which contains everything
• 1590[21:48:42] <annadane> /bin, /dev, /etc, /var, /tmp...
• 1591[21:48:45] <usney> oh
• 1592[21:48:51] <usney> well I don't need it all
• 1593[21:49:12] <usney> I install way too many programs and forget which I need most
• 1594[21:49:12] <annadane> personally, i've tended to scrap most of it and just mostly backed up things like pictures, ebooks etc
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• 1596[21:49:43] <usney> I like to do fresh installs periodically
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• 1598[21:50:10] <usney> then just have a backup list of what I had installed
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• 1600[21:50:54] <usney> I am kind of a minimialist so I try to keep my app list I use to a minimum
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• 1603[21:52:07] <usney> yup ebooks are small files usually so I back those up
• 1604[21:52:24] <usney> if I listened to an audiobook completely usually I delete it
• 1605[21:53:35] <joft> usney: sure, if one puts enough thought into backup before you need it, I'm sure one can put together a minimalistic backup which suffices .......... but it reality disk space is cheap and just do backup of everything (regarding rootfs) is just easier ... thats all I want to say
• 1606[21:55:24] <joft> usney: to be clear: for me rootfs and userdata (/home) are 2 separate things ... userdata can be really big, and even if disk space is cheap backups can take huge amounts of time ....... but rootfs is usually not that big
• 1607[21:58:09] <annadane> i have been _terrible_ with my backups. it's worth learning how to do them properly
• 1608[21:58:15] <usney> true joft
• 1609[21:59:01] <usney> well I started to need to backup some of rootfs now since I am becoming more of a sysadmin self taught
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• 1611[21:59:17] <usney> because I use things like ssh
• 1612[21:59:29] <usney> and unattended upgrades
• 1613[21:59:49] <usney> and wifi setup from the commandline
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• 1615[22:00:05] <usney> since I don't use a gui on my old laptop
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• 1621[22:05:19] <usney> I find it interesting how there is different ways to setup wifi through the command line
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• 1623[22:05:41] <usney> but I just followed debians guide since I don't have to setup a cron job for it to automatically connect at boot
• 1624[22:06:30] <usney> can you still get wireless n connectivity speeds through usb 2 with a doggie?
• 1625[22:07:03] <usney> I have that on my old laptop since the builtin card is for slower speeds
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• 1628[22:08:12] <usney> I would suppose so since usb is faster than internet speed
• 1629[22:09:10] <aaii> How i change my time in whole system?
• 1630[22:09:10] <joft> usney: I think so, there are usb device which support 802.11n .. the question is: does the old laptop have enough power to use the available speed ...
• 1631[22:09:43] <joft> usney: (USB 2.0 devices, I wanted to say)
• 1632[22:09:58] <usney> yes I am certain it uses usb 2
• 1633[22:10:21] <usney> I think I got that laptop in 2005
• 1634[22:10:30] <usney> it is a compaq presario v2000
• 1635[22:10:41] <usney> I refurbished it a little
• 1636[22:11:00] <usney> the hard drive failed on the old machine so had to get a new one
• 1637[22:11:20] <usney> got a great deal on old hard ware never used before for 15 dollars
• 1638[22:11:33] <usney> 100gb 7200 rpm
• 1639[22:11:55] <joft> usney: well yes, it should be able to use these 480MBit/s USB2 can provide, minus the protocol overhead
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• 1641[22:12:22] <usney> what is the protocol overhead?
• 1642[22:12:39] <usney> well supposedly I can upgrade that old laptop to use usb 3 with an express card
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• 1644[22:13:11] <joft> usney: well how much speed do you need?
• 1645[22:13:43] <usney> not a whole lot just to be faster than the builtin g speeds
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• 1647[22:14:51] <usney> I want to use my old laptop as a headless server so I thought installing the usb 3 express card would make the transfers a little faster
• 1648[22:15:03] <usney> I have usb 3 hard drives
• 1649[22:15:26] <usney> I think most of them are but I think you can convert them to use usb 3
• 1650[22:15:49] <usney> but switching them to a different enclosure with usb 3 adapter
• 1651[22:15:55] <usney> by*
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• 1654[22:16:30] <usney> like streaming or doing backups over the internet
• 1655[22:17:52] <usney> replaced-url
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• 1657[22:19:01] <usney> well I guess technically the laptop could never be fully a headless server since it has a keyboard and monitor hoooked up to it
• 1658[22:19:16] <joft> usney: note that most likely your express card slot is limited to 2.5Gps (PCIe Gen1), I would guess
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• 1661[22:19:54] <usney> is that still faster than usb 2? joft
• 1662[22:20:00] <usney> let me check the speeds
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• 1664[22:21:19] <joft> usney: USB2 raw: 480 MBit/s minus usually big protocol overhead ........... PCIe Gen1: 2.5 GBit/s minus p oh, perhaps not so big on USB3? ... so
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• 1666[22:22:14] <joft> usney: I guess you will get faster than USB2 for sure, but don't even expect half of USB3, that would be may guess
• 1667[22:22:45] <usney> it is cheap for the hardware so I think I will get it
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• 1671[22:23:12] <usney> says it doesn't support linux but in the comments people say it works on their machines with linux
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• 1673[22:23:42] <usney> probably just that they don't provide drivers for it
• 1674[22:24:26] <joft> usney: a express card to external SATA card would provide even more speed I'd say, since USB3 as a intermediate layer is gone
• 1675[22:24:51] <usney> yes they have those
• 1676[22:25:04] <usney> I think it is for esata so that would be even faster?
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• 1678[22:25:47] <joft> usney: well it's one less layer (USB3), I would guess it would better for such an old machine
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• 1680[22:29:40] <usney> thanks joft
• 1681[22:29:50] <usney> I like reviving old hardware
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• 1683[22:30:44] <usney> I can only find esata for the express cards joft
• 1684[22:30:51] <usney> not just regular sata
• 1685[22:30:59] <usney> esata is just smaller port right?
• 1686[22:31:57] <joft> usney: hmmm ... no, I think they are almost the same as internal ones
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• 1689[22:33:56] <joft> usney: just this extra shield make it look bigger I would say
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• 1693[22:35:55] <joft> usney: now I remember, the point is, you either need "esata power" or a separate power source, I got a special cable which draws power from a usb port
• 1694[22:37:07] <usney> replaced-url
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• 1696[22:37:17] <usney> this will be way faster than my newer laptop
• 1697[22:37:33] <usney> as my newer laptop uses sata 2
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• 1700[22:39:32] <usney> what cable would I need for it plus the power source? joft
• 1701[22:39:58] <usney> I am sure I can figure it out on my own but you probably already know
• 1702[22:40:15] <joft> usney: don't let these raw numbers foul you ..... your old laptop's express card slot is most likely PCIe Gen1 x1, only, so just 2.5GBit/s minus prot overhead
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• 1705[22:41:27] <usney> how can I figure this out joft?
• 1706[22:41:34] <usney> hwls?
• 1707[22:41:48] <usney> what pcie gen1 x1 is?
• 1708[22:41:49] <joft> usney: sudo lspci -vvvnn
• 1709[22:42:22] <usney> joft how do I setup sudo on a debian system setup with a root account (su)?
• 1710[22:42:53] <usney> I am getting annoyed that tab auto completion doesn't work with everything a normal user account does.
• 1711[22:43:14] <joft> usney: you just need to be root, to see the relevant info, to call lspci -vvvnn
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• 1714[22:43:54] <usney> yes of course
• 1715[22:44:02] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1079
• 1716[22:44:24] <usney> but how can I setup or is there a way I can get su root to auto tab complete on packagenames that I can install?
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• 1718[22:44:57] <usney> cause when I do it on my ubuntu machine with sudo it tab auto completes with sudo
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• 1720[22:45:16] <usney> apt-get install packagename
• 1721[22:45:34] <joft> usney: hmmm, no clue, I'm also sometimes not satisfied with auto-complete, not an expert here
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• 1723[22:47:12] <joft> usney: BTW: I'm referring to such a cable: replaced-url
• 1724[22:47:44] <joft> usney: (just an example, there are others)
• 1725[22:47:45] <annadane> uh
• 1726[22:47:51] <annadane> sorry, what doesn't autocomplete?
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• 1728[22:48:06] <annadane> those do autocomplete...
• 1729[22:48:23] <usney> it is not working on my console only machine with su
• 1730[22:48:30] <annadane> well, news to me
• 1731[22:48:32] <annadane> it should
• 1732[22:48:53] <usney> it doesn't tab auto complete when I do certain things
• 1733[22:49:03] <usney> like for installing packages
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• 1735[22:49:13] <usney> but it works for files on my system
• 1736[22:49:25] <annadane> i'm not sure what part of debian controls that but i know i get autocompletion for installable pkgs
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• 1739[22:50:28] <usney> even with su?
• 1740[22:50:37] <usney> on my ubuntu machine with sudo it works
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• 1742[22:50:49] <usney> but on my debian machine with su it doesn't work
• 1743[22:51:06] <usney> I just tried it again
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• 1745[22:51:26] <usney> apt-get install fire and I did the tab tab for autocomplete and nothing happens
• 1746[22:51:40] <usney> I know there is many apps that begin with fire
• 1747[22:51:40] <annadane> try su - maybe though i don't know if that applies
• 1748[22:51:53] <usney> su apt-get install?
• 1749[22:52:08] <usney> ok I'll tru
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• 1751[22:52:35] <annadane> no, type su - and then put in the password on the next line
• 1752[22:52:38] <annadane> and then try whatever
• 1753[22:52:46] <usney> nope that doesn't work
• 1754[22:52:52] <usney> I know how su works of course
• 1755[22:52:55] <annadane> including -
• 1756[22:53:07] <usney> if I didn't then I wouldn't have installed all those packages I already installed
• 1757[22:53:14] <annadane> or alternatively su -l
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• 1759[22:56:15] <annadane> anyway, i don't know if that does it, not entirely sure what controls bash autocompletion
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• 1763[22:58:02] <usney> thanks annadane
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• 1765[22:58:04] <usney> that works
• 1766[22:59:13] <usney> joft would it be labeled in the lspci as a cardbus?
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• 1768[23:00:14] <zumba_addict> i currently have an ubuntu which got corrupted last night due to power outage. It still boots up but video and network are not behaving properly. I have important files. Can I install Sketch from usb but keep the filesystem?
• 1769[23:00:51] <usney> I think you need to ask that in ubuntu
• 1770[23:01:14] <zumba_addict> but I mentioned I like to install Sketch
• 1771[23:01:28] <usney> you mean stretch?
• 1772[23:01:31] <zumba_addict> oh
• 1773[23:01:32] <zumba_addict> lol
• 1774[23:01:38] <zumba_addict> yeah, Stretch
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• 1776[23:01:59] <usney> you mean you want to keep your home folder? zumba_addict
• 1777[23:02:15] <zumba_addict> yes or some mount where I have my dat
• 1778[23:02:16] <zumba_addict> data
• 1779[23:02:19] <usney> just use a backup program like luckybackup
• 1780[23:02:35] <usney> luckybackup is my favorite gui backup program
• 1781[23:02:48] <zumba_addict> I'm not sure if I have extra disk, it's about 557gb
• 1782[23:03:25] <zumba_addict> it's a recording of all earth images from GOES16 satellite. My device is running 24x7
• 1783[23:03:47] <usney> hmm
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• 1785[23:03:52] <joft> usney: not in every case, but looking at the names should in most case make it clear which PCI device we are looking for
• 1786[23:04:33] <usney> let me get you the command to check disk space zumba_addict
• 1787[23:04:36] <usney> you should have enough
• 1788[23:04:38] <zumba_addict> df -h
• 1789[23:04:50] <usney> as that program doesn't use a lot of space
• 1790[23:05:15] <zumba_addict> are you saying to back it up on the same target hdd?
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• 1792[23:05:33] <usney> no back it up to an external hard drive
• 1793[23:05:40] <zumba_addict> k
• 1794[23:05:43] <usney> or internal if you have more than one hard drive on your machine
• 1795[23:05:55] <zumba_addict> i'll look for external drive
• 1796[23:05:59] <usney> I have two hard drives on my laptop
• 1797[23:06:23] <zumba_addict> i won't be able to install a backup program on the ubuntu since the network iface is not coming up anymore
• 1798[23:06:32] <zumba_addict> i'll use filemanager
• 1799[23:06:44] <zumba_addict> and I'll do a regular copy
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• 1802[23:08:56] <usney> you could do a regular copy of some of the files and then delete them see if that makes enough space for a backup program
• 1803[23:09:26] <zumba_addict> I have enough space on the existing ubuntu
• 1804[23:09:36] <usney> cool
• 1805[23:10:11] <zumba_addict> but I was asking if I can keep the data without touching it and still be able to install stretch and override ubuntu(not dual boot)
• 1806[23:10:33] <zumba_addict> this way, I don't have to back it up so I save 2-3 hours backing up
• 1807[23:11:15] <usney> if you just need the home folder data then just back that up to an external hard drive then install stretch after than put the backup into your new home folder
• 1808[23:11:53] <usney> I don't think it would be a good idea to use the rootfs files since ubuntu and debian are different distros
• 1809[23:12:30] <zumba_addict> got it. So there really isn't any safe way. It's because back in the days when we install Win95, we can overwrite the installed system
• 1810[23:12:49] <zumba_addict> i'll back it up then. Thank you
• 1811[23:13:00] <usney> yes you can overwrite the installed system
• 1812[23:13:10] <usney> but that would also overwrite your data
• 1813[23:13:18] <usney> so that is why you need to back it up
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• 1815[23:13:42] <usney> if you need a list of installed packages
• 1816[23:13:49] <zumba_addict> another question, I'm looking for the usb installer. I was brought here - replaced-url
• 1817[23:14:25] <zumba_addict> I got that link from here - replaced-url
• 1818[23:14:38] <usney> just get the iso image
• 1819[23:14:53] <zumba_addict> my usb is only 8gb
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• 1821[23:15:01] <usney> for burning to cd/dvd and then flash it to the usb stick
• 1822[23:15:12] <zumba_addict> my linux machine doesn't have a dvd ddrive
• 1823[23:15:23] <usney> make sure to backup any data on the usb stick if there is any
• 1824[23:15:40] <zumba_addict> oh
• 1825[23:15:48] <hypn0> you don't need a dvd drive?
• 1826[23:15:49] <zumba_addict> i remember dvd drives are only 4gb :D
• 1827[23:15:52] <usney> the iso image is for dvd/cd also but can be flash to a usb drive
• 1828[23:15:58] <zumba_addict> cool
• 1829[23:16:07] <zumba_addict> i forgot dvd iso images are only 4gb
• 1830[23:16:21] <zumba_addict> not sure why I was thinking 640Gb :D
• 1831[23:16:38] <usney> it can go up to that but usually debian iso image files are at 1.8 gb
• 1832[23:16:40] <zumba_addict> cool, I'll download Strech
• 1833[23:16:49] <zumba_addict> thanks much
• 1834[23:16:59] <usney> let me get you the commands to install it to a usb stick
• 1835[23:17:24] <zumba_addict> dd right?
• 1836[23:17:29] <zumba_addict> replaced-url
• 1837[23:17:40] <zumba_addict> cool
• 1838[23:18:40] <usney> yes you can use dd
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• 1840[23:22:23] <usney> zumba_addict replaced-url
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• 1842[23:23:08] <zumba_addict> thanks!
• 1843[23:24:46] <usney> you can also use unetbootin too
• 1844[23:24:57] <usney> if you prefer to use GUI tools
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• 1847[23:27:15] <wgas> etcher is gui that uses dd
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• 1849[23:30:05] <zumba_addict> nice
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• 1851[23:30:42] <usney> zumba_addict replaced-url
• 1852[23:31:02] <zumba_addict> thanks
• 1853[23:31:05] <usney> I haven't used the CLI method in a while to do usb so I forgot how to do that
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• 1856[23:31:33] <Gerowen> I've found that "cp" ing an image to a usb stick works a lot of the time as well without overwriting the disk's sector count and whatnot as well. cp imagefile /dev/foo
• 1857[23:31:45] <zumba_addict> i'll try that. I always use cli. The block size sometimes have to be correct though
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• 1859[23:32:02] <Gerowen> I tried it because I noticed that "dd" basically made the thumb stick look like a physical version of that ISO file right down to the capacity if you plugged it into a Windows box, and cp didn't affect it that way.
• 1860[23:32:12] <zumba_addict> i think cp'ing is not enough since it has to also adjust the boot sector
• 1861[23:32:38] <Gerowen> zumba_addict: Always worked for me, just don't append a partition to the /dev/foo when cping it. I won't promise anything, but that's what I've done for ages.
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• 1863[23:33:04] <zumba_addict> cool
• 1864[23:33:06] <Gerowen> Like if your usb stick was /dev/sda, just do /dev/sda, not /dev/sda1
• 1865[23:33:19] <zumba_addict> btw, I already have etcher installed. lol, I might have used it long time ago on my odroid c2
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• 1881[23:51:38] <hypn0> I doubt if usb will be on sda, sdb? maybe
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• 1886[23:56:52] <rooftopjoe> Technically, it's quite possible, with a weird enough setup.
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• 1888[23:57:37] <rooftopjoe> (E.g., no permanent storage---either boot via usb or network)
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• 1891[23:59:05] <hypn0> still, sda is normally first internal drive, you don't want to touch that
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