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• 15[00:07:34] <inthl> hi folks! I think I might have broken something in my apt library, at least I am having some sort of race condition now. I wanted to install some .deb from jessie that was not compatible, so I downloaded it and tried dpkg -i, what failed with some message. Now I can't even remove it any more, apt suggest to upgrade it to the newer version, which fails. the package in question is libglapi-mesa. the erorrs are as follows:replaced-url
• 16[00:07:34] <inthl> stebin.ca/raw/3829013
• 17[00:07:39] <inthl> replaced-url
• 18[00:08:20] <mar77i> moov: o/
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• 20[00:08:39] <inthl> so 17.0.4 is to be installed, but there are some conflicts with i386 and amd64 to run --configure with. my inention is to have that newest version installed ...which was installed before i executed dpkg -i with that old version
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• 36[00:15:57] <r7st> hello, i am looking for help with gst-launch. i'm not quite sure where to ask though
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• 41[00:18:01] <glick> i can no longer dim or brighten my screen
• 42[00:18:03] <glick> wth?
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• 44[00:18:48] <bezaban> glick: since when?
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• 57[00:25:57] <TomG2> r7st, here is the right place to ask
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• 59[00:26:09] <TomG2> so keep asking :)
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• 154[01:11:38] <nickgaw> Hi, I am trying to stop all kernel console messages going to the console and have that line uncommented in /etc/sysctl.conf but still see some of them cluttering up my screen how can I remove them all and just store them in the logs like they should be?
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• 159[01:13:38] <moov> mar77i: \o
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• 161[01:15:42] <camh> CVE-2017-1000367 fixed a /proc parsing bug in sudo. where can I view the actual patch that was done?
• 162[01:15:59] <camh> I don't seem to have the SUDO_USER environment variable any more, so I want to see what the patch did
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• 166[01:17:43] <Eduard_Munteanu> camh, maybe start digging here: replaced-url
• 167[01:18:00] <camh> Eduard_Munteanu: thanks - that's where I started, but I could not get to an actual path
• 168[01:18:04] <camh> *patch
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• 170[01:18:21] <camh> But I just did an apt-get source sudo and the patch is in the .pc directory in there
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• 172[01:19:04] <camh> urgh, the "patch" is just a file replacement, not a diff
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• 178[01:24:16] <Eduard_Munteanu> camh, hm, looks like the maintainer pushed the changed package to security but hasn't yet commited to source repos
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• 180[01:24:37] <camh> I found the patch at git://anonscm.debian.org/collab-maint/sudo.git
• 181[01:25:00] <camh> it does not touch SUDO_USER, so my problem may be elsewhere
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• 187[01:27:07] <Eduard_Munteanu> Ah, I see it now.
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• 189[01:27:34] <camh> it appears I'm just a bit of an idiot. I have fallen back to my old ways of "sudo su -" to get root, instead of "sudo -i". The former clears the env, so SUDO_USER is not there
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• 191[01:27:49] <gry> right :-)
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• 209[01:33:34] <Tonk> I want to copy a partition to a another drive. Using gparted, I can copy but not paste. Doesn't give me the option.
• 210[01:34:17] <Tonk> Shall I do something different within gparted, or use a better method?
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• 237[01:53:38] <LtL> Tonk: this might be helpful. replaced-url
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• 242[01:59:21] <Tonk> too little documentation there, and as such it looks risky.
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• 245[02:00:36] <LtL> Tonk: dd
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• 249[02:02:09] <Tonk> LtL, i tried that.
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• 252[02:06:46] <Tonk> it failed, couldn't put a boot flag on it, and I don't know the science behind it but people here told me it wouldn't work.
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• 260[02:08:42] <Tonk> but i'm looking into it some more.
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• 271[02:14:37] <dirac1> Hello, i can install debian on a Juniper SRX220 device? the device uses Cavium Octeon, MIPS architecture.
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• 273[02:14:47] <dirac1> And i can access U-boot.
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• 311[02:27:33] <AciD`> hey
• 312[02:29:21] <AciD`> I just installed astah-community using `dpkg -i`, but the post-install "fails" since the dumb package cannot recognize that java "1.8.0_131" has a higher version than java update 102. So I can launch the app without problem with `astah-com`. Is there a (not too dirty) way to clear the post-install script manually and tell dpkg everything is fine with this package?
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• 324[02:35:20] <xtech> hi
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• 328[02:36:14] <xtech> so why so many users no one talks ?
• 329[02:36:45] <gry> I'm writing a bunch of things due this friday
• 330[02:36:53] <sleepyhead> hi xtech. i honestly wonder about taht sometimes too
• 331[02:37:11] <sleepyhead> why do all these people stay connected if they never interact
• 332[02:37:22] <xtech> yeah like wtf i just shut my computer down
• 333[02:37:25] <gry> it is perhaps constructive to spend 90% of time reading or writing and only about 10% speaking, to get help or help others :) more productivity this way
• 334[02:37:27] <xtech> or sleep
• 335[02:37:30] <nickgaw> my thoughts exactly
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• 337[02:37:39] <gry> I stay connected to learn from what others are saying, I think
• 338[02:38:05] <xtech> where are u from guys ?
• 339[02:38:50] <gry> Australia right now. There is a Debian Australia group here. Do you have one?
• 340[02:39:03] <xtech> no
• 341[02:39:05] <xtech> im lebanese
• 342[02:39:15] <nickgaw> What do I need to do to stop all kernel messages going to the console?
• 343[02:39:28] <dirac1> Hello, can i install debian on a Juniper SRX220 device?, the device uses Cavium Octeon, MIPS archihtecture.
• 344[02:39:45] <xtech> oh now i see why no one talks :P
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• 347[02:41:03] <sleepyhead> xtech: yeah i mean do yo know the answers to these questions? I sure don't!
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• 349[02:41:22] <Mathisen> channel for suport not for chat
• 350[02:41:31] <Mathisen> there is #chat & #defocus for that
• 351[02:41:36] <xtech> yeah me too
• 352[02:41:54] <xtech> < Mathisen>: ok sorry
• 353[02:42:20] <sleepyhead> Mathisen: is that on freenode?
• 354[02:42:26] <AciD`> in other words, where are stored the post-install script of package that failed the installation?
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• 356[02:42:33] <AciD`> I need to change the exit() code in there
• 357[02:43:18] <Mathisen> sleepyhead, yes and my bad ## not only #
• 358[02:43:53] <sleepyhead> Mathisen: thanks. and sorry about the OT chat before. Will keep mum for now unless I can contribute.
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• 360[02:47:23] <Canucktux> is adding experimental repos for just one program a good idea?
• 361[02:47:56] <Canucktux> I'd like to install a newer version of mpv on stretch
• 362[02:48:06] <gry> if you manage to make everything else ignore these experimental repos, then it is an ok idea
• 363[02:48:18] <Mathisen> not realy, if dependencies are new versions of current packages you using can make problem
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• 366[02:49:11] <Canucktux> true
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• 368[02:49:25] <Canucktux> I can ask debian to prefer stretch packages
• 369[02:50:13] <Canucktux> is there a way to easily find out what dependencies dependencies a package pulls from experimental?
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• 371[02:51:02] <Mathisen> apt-cache rdepends whatever
• 372[02:51:52] <Canucktux> will it colour code anything nasty?
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• 374[02:52:24] <Mathisen> nope
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• 384[02:59:01] <nine_milli> iiiiii want my mtv…
• 385[02:59:31] <Mathisen> ?
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• 388[03:00:10] <AciD`> for info, all the install/uninstall scripts are located in /var/lib/dpkg/info..
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• 390[03:00:48] <xtech> < Mathisen>: join this channel --> xtech
• 391[03:00:55] <AciD`> and yes, the crowd in #debian is pretty useless, about 90% of the time I'd say ; a bunch on idlers :)
• 392[03:01:01] <AciD`> *of
• 393[03:01:07] <Mathisen> xtech, what ?
• 394[03:01:15] <xtech> join my channel
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• 404[03:07:29] <jim> is this oftc?
• 405[03:07:58] <Canucktux> so synaptics will let me choose a the preferred distro for packages
• 406[03:08:05] <LtL> jim: no its freenode.net
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• 408[03:08:32] <jim> thanks...
• 409[03:08:41] <Canucktux> but will that effect apt/dpkg/apt-get or do I need to modify /etc/apt/preferences manually
• 410[03:08:41] <LtL> jim: np
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• 494[03:41:29] <fitouf> Hi
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• 498[03:42:05] <TomG2> fitouf, hi!
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• 500[03:44:41] <fitouf> just a quick question, someone know how i can change once and for all the value of $TERM
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• 503[03:45:24] <fitouf> she's reset each time i'm reconnect via ssh
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• 507[03:46:50] <karatorian> fitouf: easier said than done, but basically, you'll have to but the correct value into your shell's startup file.
• 508[03:47:03] <karatorian> what shell do you use?
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• 514[03:49:34] <fitouf> karatorian, xterm, basicly, but each time i launch for exemple htop via ssh on my server...i have this message
• 515[03:49:37] <fitouf> Error opening terminal: xterm-termite.
• 516[03:50:07] <fitouf> so i change the value to xterm basicly, but she's reset always
• 517[03:51:07] <karatorian> You'll have to set the TERM enviroment variable in your shells startup files.
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• 519[03:51:30] <karatorian> You can do this on your local machine, or the remote one.
• 520[03:51:46] <karatorian> replaced-url
• 521[03:52:29] <karatorian> Of course, if you use ssh from some other terminal (like a virtual console) it'd be wrong.
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• 524[03:53:26] <karatorian> I think ssh passes the term value to the remote host. Apparently your term database has (and your current config uses) an entry that doesn't exist on the other end.
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• 526[03:54:23] <karatorian> So, to fix it properly, you have to edit your shell startup to use plain xterm (when run in an xterm, which it detects somehow).
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• 529[03:55:01] <fitouf> yes, i think too karatorian , because on my local linux i use termite
• 530[03:55:03] <karatorian> (My own startup scripts are heavily hacked, so I can't be more specific.)
• 531[03:55:38] <karatorian> Or there may be a way to tell ssh to change the term only on the far end, but I wouldn't know.
• 532[03:55:58] <fitouf> i'm already try that, not working
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• 534[03:56:40] <karatorian> Additionally, ssh reads ~/.ssh/environment, and adds lines of the format
• 535[03:56:40] <karatorian> “VARNAME=value” to the environment if the file exists and users are
• 536[03:56:40] <karatorian> allowed to change their environment. For more information, see the
• 537[03:56:41] <karatorian> PermitUserEnvironment option in sshd_config(5).
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• 544[03:59:12] <fitouf> lol
• 545[03:59:42] <TomG2> isn't TERM your escape sequences and control codes? not the program used as your terminal
• 546[03:59:59] <TomG2> if it says error opening terminal it's something else
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• 550[04:01:32] <fitouf> oh ok, i was so stupid
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• 552[04:02:01] <karatorian> TomG2: the value of TERM in not in the termcap database on the server he's shelling into.
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• 555[04:03:07] <fitouf> i just add export TERM=xterm in my .bashrc file on my local host
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• 559[04:04:39] <TomG2> ok to all that
• 560[04:05:12] <karatorian> fitouf: that'll work, but is liable to cause issues if you ever log into something other than an xterm. Like a VT or such.
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• 566[04:08:48] <fitouf> yes karatorian, but it' a perosnal server, and i'm alone to connect to it
• 567[04:08:53] <fitouf> (sorry for my english :P)
• 568[04:08:57] <karatorian> ok
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• 586[04:18:54] <fitouf> but yes, i add in my todo list this problem karatorian
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• 595[04:22:14] <mutante> Is there a package that works as "alternative to google authenticator, for linux desktops"?
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• 597[04:24:24] <camh> mutante: maybe libpam-oath ?
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• 599[04:24:42] <tx> mutante: yes
• 600[04:24:52] <tx> replaced-url
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• 604[04:26:06] <mutante> tx: i saw that one but the reaction was "that's still mobile, want desktop"
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• 606[04:26:16] <mutante> camh: will look, thx
• 607[04:26:31] <camh> mutante: or maybe libpam-dynalogin
• 608[04:26:48] <camh> I just did an apt-cache search totp
• 609[04:26:49] <tx> ah sorry :)
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• 612[04:27:49] <mutante> guess i could say they should run FreeOTP in an android emulator, heh
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• 631[04:38:21] <Canucktux> it worked!
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• 634[04:38:35] <Canucktux> mpv .25 installed with 0 depencies!
• 635[04:38:46] <Canucktux> I hope I haven't begun a franken-debian
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• 638[04:39:31] <medfly> I uh. it depends at least on python!
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• 642[04:40:34] <TomG2> I like mpv
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• 644[04:40:44] <codebam> I removed all the entries for browsers in Xresources, reloaded it, but links are still opening twice in firefox
• 645[04:40:45] <TomG2> and frankendebian aren't so bad
• 646[04:40:58] <codebam> I can't figure out where urxvt is getting it from
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• 648[04:42:12] <Canucktux> medfly: *no more experimental deps
• 649[04:42:27] <Canucktux> so far it's happy with just the stretch deps
• 650[04:42:51] <codebam> I made sure to restart urxvt after reloading .Xresources
• 651[04:42:56] <codebam> but it's still opening twice
• 652[04:43:02] <codebam> I can't figure out what's wrong
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• 654[04:44:25] <Canucktux> if I install experimental firefox will it break firefox-esr or are they safe?
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• 658[04:46:09] <mutante> camh: both of those packages seem to be to build the server side of it, pam modules.. doesn't seem to be like the client side, but thanks for looking
• 659[04:46:24] <mutante> i am trying "oathtool"
• 660[04:46:44] <Canucktux> TomG2: it's pretty great, I can even stream live events and all sorts of with to it with a handy extension
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• 663[04:47:55] <camh> mutante: google authenticator in debian is a pam module. what sort of alternative are you after?
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• 666[04:48:09] <camh> those pam alternatives will run fine on a desktop
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• 700[04:52:16] <camh> mutante: i see - you want to generate the OTP to use against a server. I'm not sure - I use one on my phone
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• 707[04:55:33] <mutante> camh: yea, i (actually somebody asking me) want(s) to run a desktop app instead of using the phone as the second factor. and now i found replaced-url
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• 716[04:59:21] <cerebro> ('dpkg-deb -b' looks like it)
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• 723[05:02:40] <sidetracking> hi fam
• 724[05:03:00] <sidetracking> when debian 9 comes out, will I be able to upgrade without wiping my computer?
• 725[05:04:07] <TomG2> yes indeedy
• 726[05:04:14] <dvs> sidetracking, always.
• 727[05:04:29] <TomG2> debian's been awesome at that since the early days
• 728[05:04:44] <sidetracking> thats a bet
• 729[05:04:49] <sidetracking> im excited now
• 730[05:04:53] <sidetracking> c:
• 731[05:05:09] <TomG2> you can read the release notes for a past release, it'll have the instructions on how to upgrade
• 732[05:05:24] <sidetracking> cool cool
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• 806[06:21:51] <Canucktux> will having firefox (experimental) installed effect firefox-esr on a debian stretch system?
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• 810[06:23:17] <somiaj> Canucktux: what do you mean by experimental?
• 811[06:23:31] <somiaj> Canucktux: since stretch is about to stablize, I would not have packages from unstable installed.
• 812[06:23:34] <somiaj> ,v firefox
• 813[06:23:35] <judd> Package: firefox on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.0-1~bpo80+1; sid: 53.0.is.52.0.2-1; experimental: 53.0.is.53.0-1
• 814[06:23:44] <Canucktux> somiaj: I have the experimental repo's enabled on a case by case basis
• 815[06:24:00] <somiaj> Canucktux: it might work for the time being, but I expect the offical firefox to be backported to stretch after the release.
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• 817[06:24:08] <somiaj> and I would use that over the experimential package
• 818[06:24:41] <somiaj> right now it won't be a big deal, once buster is out and sid/testing start moving again, I wouldn't trust newer packages from experimential in stretch.
• 819[06:24:43] <Canucktux> so just wait for stable stretch and F5 mozilla.debian.net/
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• 821[06:25:06] <somiaj> for updates, the experiemnital package in there now is probably fine, updates to it may not be.
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• 823[06:25:40] <Canucktux> so for mpv I should consider Stretch builds from suse's build service or wait for backports too?
• 824[06:25:43] <RedMercury> if I installed the nvidia drivers on a single arch install, then I added an arch to dpkg (i386), whats the easiest way of also adding all of the packages I've installed so far but for that new arch?
• 825[06:25:51] <RedMercury> wordsmith that q a bit..
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• 827[06:26:07] <Canucktux> for some reason mpv updates aren't even making it to sid quickly
• 828[06:26:27] <somiaj> Canucktux: if you are planing on stablizing with stretch (my suggestion), I would stick to packages in stretch and wait for backports after the release. But I don't suggest installing packages in stretch not explicity built for stretch.
• 829[06:26:31] <somiaj> !slushy
• 830[06:26:31] <dpkg> When a <testing> release becomes frozen, <unstable> tends to partially freeze as well. This is because developers are reluctant to upload radically new software to unstable, in case the frozen software in testing needs minor updates and to fix release critical bugs which keep testing from becoming <stable>.
• 831[06:26:39] <somiaj> Canucktux: until the release of stretch, not much makes it into sid
• 832[06:27:04] <Canucktux> hmm, that explains it
• 833[06:27:47] <somiaj> RedMercury: the drivers are not multiarch and are a kernel module. The libaries are, you just need to install the nvidia libaries. the metapackage nvidia-driver-libs:i386 should pull them all in
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• 835[06:28:17] <RedMercury> yeah, sorry, i meant the deps I guess
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• 837[06:28:54] <RedMercury> in any case, is there a blanket way of pulling in all i386 packages for all of my amd64 packages, or is that frowned upon and/or stupid?
• 838[06:29:02] <somiaj> I also see nvidia-driver-libs-i386:i386 -- but either of those two should be sufficent to pull in all the 32bit libs, so 32bit programs can access the gl libaries
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• 840[06:29:39] <somiaj> RedMercury: again only libaries are multiarch. Just pull in the libaries as you need them. Most of your software will be 64 bit so they aren't needed. Just pull in the ones you need for the 32bit software you use.
• 841[06:30:05] <RedMercury> interestingly nvidia-driver-libs:i386 also rebuilt my initrd
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• 843[06:30:50] <somiaj> it probably installed a package that triggered it, should be fine
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• 853[06:41:34] <Canucktux> are the gorillion nvidia drivers I have part of the default install?
• 854[06:41:47] <Canucktux> because I don't have an nvidia card?
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• 861[06:48:07] <RedMercury> who'd have thought installing kde also would install libcv
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• 863[06:51:15] <somiaj> Canucktux: oh I thought you said you had a nvidia card. Nvidia drivers are part of non-free and not default in debian.
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• 865[06:51:47] <somiaj> Canucktux: oh confusing you with someone else. No you won't have nvidia drivers installed by default, and in general the kernel should contain all the drivers you need for most hardware.
• 866[06:51:48] <Canucktux> somiaj: that was another chap
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• 868[06:52:05] <Canucktux> hmmm, strange
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• 870[06:52:12] <RedMercury> domovoy_: me
• 871[06:52:14] <RedMercury> ?
• 872[06:52:16] <RedMercury> err
• 873[06:52:19] <RedMercury> somiaj:
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• 876[06:52:39] <RedMercury> I did enable non-free and contrib
• 877[06:52:51] <RedMercury> sorry, meant libopencv
• 878[06:52:54] <somiaj> RedMercury: yea, I got my wires crossed.
• 879[06:52:55] <RedMercury> the computer vision library
• 880[06:53:00] <RedMercury> seems like a really wierd dependency :p
• 881[06:53:13] <somiaj> unsure on what kde needs, but with recommended packages, the desktop metapackages pull in a lot of stuff
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• 885[06:53:47] <somiaj> on a desktop I would doubt it, there is a lot of stuff there and it uses shared libaries. You can run 'aptitude why packagename' and it will tell you which package you have installed that deepends on that libary
• 886[06:54:02] <RedMercury> thanks!
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• 891[06:54:21] <RedMercury> mind you i'm spending so much time in console now, who needs x..
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• 893[06:55:57] <RedMercury> ahh, firefox, gstreamer, libavfilter
• 894[06:56:10] <RedMercury> probably looking for adverts or some other feature recognition
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• 907[07:09:18] <pepsipeacecorp> hey, anyone here?
• 908[07:09:30] <pepsipeacecorp> what is this channel about?
• 909[07:11:00] <AN0NYM> this channel is about debian - as it is named
• 910[07:11:14] <codebam> the universal operating system
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• 913[07:12:21] <pepsipea_> does Ubuntu count?
• 914[07:12:27] <AN0NYM> nope
• 915[07:12:31] <somiaj> !based on debian
• 916[07:12:31] <AN0NYM> :D
• 917[07:12:31] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
• 918[07:12:52] <pepsipea_> is dpkg a bot?
• 919[07:12:54] <somiaj> pepsipea_: ubuntu has a channel.
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• 921[07:13:02] <somiaj> !dpkg bot
• 922[07:13:02] <dpkg> I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
• 923[07:13:11] <pepsipea_> lol
• 924[07:13:38] <pepsipea_> my first time using irc, just checking around
• 925[07:13:57] <somiaj> pepsipea_: #freenode is the main channel for this network, /j #freenode, there are also other social channels
• 926[07:14:04] <somiaj> but #freenode is where to go to get info about this network.
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• 929[07:14:22] <pepsipea_> alright, thanks! I'll go check it out
• 930[07:14:38] <pepsipea_> how do you @ other users like on Slack here?
• 931[07:14:51] <somiaj> what do you mean by @ other users?
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• 933[07:15:00] <pepsipea_> like refer to other users, like a reply
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• 935[07:15:39] <somiaj> that is all done by a users client. Most users client will hilight any user who says their nick, so just type out their nick
• 936[07:15:53] <somiaj> tab completion can speed this up, type the first few letters and hit tab (though this does depend on the client)
• 937[07:15:57] <nine_milli> is dpkg open source?
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• 939[07:16:00] <somiaj> though these question should be directed to #freenode
• 940[07:16:00] <pepsipea_> ahh, I see, thanks!
• 941[07:16:01] <somiaj> nine_milli: yes
• 942[07:16:05] <nine_milli> the bot that is
• 943[07:16:16] <somiaj> nine_milli: replaced-url
• 944[07:16:30] <somiaj> nine_milli: I belive there is a link there to download the factoid database if you want it
• 945[07:17:24] <nine_milli> you’re not concerned that it might rise up and overthrow the ops in this channel?
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• 947[07:17:44] <somiaj> some of us welcome our metal overlords'
• 948[07:17:52] <codebam> pepsipea_: usually your client will have tab completion for nicks
• 949[07:17:52] <codebam> so type the first few letters of the users nick and hit tab to mention them
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• 951[07:17:54] <somiaj> but that is off-topic.
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• 997[07:47:41] <darxmurf> hi all
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• 1008[07:54:31] <pragomer> anybody knows how I can set password for xtightvncviewer as parameter?
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• 1017[07:59:14] <darxmurf> pragomer: -passwd passwd-file ?
• 1018[07:59:34] <darxmurf> File from which to get the password (as generated by the vncpasswd(1) program). This option affects only the standard VNC authentication.
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• 1027[08:06:11] <pragomer> and without a FILE but direct as parameter on konsole?
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• 1029[08:07:48] <darxmurf> man xtightvncviewer
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• 1031[08:08:05] <darxmurf> -autopass to give the pass from stdin
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• 1033[08:08:34] <pragomer> oh ok. autopass. Ill try that.
• 1034[08:08:51] <pragomer> a 2nd questionn I cannot answer myself via manpage: how to set a scale/geometry?
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• 1036[08:09:04] <pragomer> tried parameter -geometry 800:600 but no effect
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• 1039[08:10:27] <XeonSquared> 800x600?
• 1040[08:10:32] <somiaj> geometry is a standard x11 string, XxY+xoffset+yoffset
• 1041[08:10:36] <somiaj> so 800x600
• 1042[08:10:58] <somiaj> or 800x600+100+100 if you wanted to specifiy position
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• 1045[08:12:06] <pragomer> thank you so far very much.
• 1046[08:12:31] <pragomer> 800x600+100+100 works and the window is 800x600. but the target is not scaled to this size
• 1047[08:12:42] <pragomer> is this also possible?
• 1048[08:13:04] <somiaj> what do you mean by target? I don't really know the app you are using, more just giving info about the geometry string
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• 1051[08:13:50] <pragomer> I am using "xtightvncviewer" under debian. my complete command is at this moment:
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• 1054[08:14:02] <pragomer> xtightvncviewer 192.168.2.201 -quality 7 -compresslevel 5 -geometry 1280x1024+100+100
• 1055[08:14:30] <somiaj> are you viewing a standard console or xorg?
• 1056[08:14:51] <pragomer> the computer I connect to (with tightvncserver) has e.g. 1920x1080
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• 1058[08:15:17] <pragomer> so I only can see a part of the desktop. so I think I should "scale" the xtightvncview
• 1059[08:15:30] <pragomer> is that understandable? sorry for my perhaps bad english
• 1060[08:15:38] <somiaj> well it can have differnt displays, it may use something else for the vnc server, but that didn't answer my question, on the vnc part, are you running xorg, or just at a console?
• 1061[08:16:11] <somiaj> you will have to configure the display to match the resolution, I don't think there is an auto scale. You can resize both the client and what the server outputs.
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• 1065[08:16:29] <somiaj> xrandr can do that from inside the command line.
• 1066[08:17:00] <pragomer> on client side I am running debian with a standard xorg desktop and xtightvncviewer
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• 1068[08:17:16] <pragomer> the machine I want to connect to is a windows 10 pc with tightvncserver
• 1069[08:17:30] <pragomer> scaling the view works with vinagre or kdrc too.
• 1070[08:17:43] <pragomer> just wanted to work with xtightvncviewer because its more faster
• 1071[08:18:52] <somiaj> it might just be that light weight viewer doesn't have that option, part of why it is faster.
• 1072[08:19:20] <pragomer> yes this could be of course
• 1073[08:19:48] <somiaj> if you don't see an option in the manpage, there most likely isn't one, in this case you can change the resolution of the windows machine to better match the viewer, then just adjust it back when done.
• 1074[08:20:37] <pragomer> ok. I think you are right. that xtightvncviewer does not support this.
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• 1135[08:51:42] <dionysus69> I finally successfully cloned jessie xfce from virtualbox to a new hardware
• 1136[08:51:51] <dionysus69> I am stuck with 800x600 and no wifi
• 1137[08:52:04] <dionysus69> i downloaded firmware-iwlwifi but didn't help
• 1138[08:52:22] <dionysus69> also resolution is stuck because I think xserver / xorg needs reconfiguring
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• 1141[08:52:27] <dionysus69> how do i do that?
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• 1158[09:01:38] <simpledat> Hi, what does this mean? replaced-url
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• 1171[09:06:53] <midolov> simpledat, you need to remove all nvidia drivers and reinstall it correctly
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• 1175[09:07:47] <midolov> simpledat, it means your kernel module doesn't match the version of drivers installed
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• 1180[09:11:46] <simpledat> midolov: Why do I need to remove all nvidia drivers and reinstall them?
• 1181[09:12:20] <jelly> simpledat: it means just what it says.
• 1182[09:12:32] <jelly> including the part with the "easiest fix"
• 1183[09:12:34] <simpledat> midolov: Maybe because I need to reboot to reload the new kernel?
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• 1185[09:12:44] <simpledat> jelly: So I really have to reinstall nvidia drivers?
• 1186[09:12:49] <midolov> simpledat, the purpose of the reinstallation is to install a xorg driver that match kernel module
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• 1188[09:12:57] <jelly> simpledat: not before trying the easiest fix, I gues
• 1189[09:13:11] <midolov> simpledat, remove all nvidia drivers, and do apt-get update
• 1190[09:13:17] <midolov> and reinstall it
• 1191[09:13:35] <midolov> this will do the trick i think
• 1192[09:13:38] <jelly> it's a dialog that happens WHEN you upgrade drivers, it's normal
• 1193[09:13:47] <simpledat> jelly: So the easiest fix is to reboot?
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• 1195[09:13:55] <jelly> simpledat: that's what the message says.
• 1196[09:14:16] <simpledat> jelly: Thank you
• 1197[09:14:33] <simpledat> jelly: How do I know that the new kernel loaded probably?
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• 1200[09:14:55] <jelly> simpledat: it's not about new kernel, but new version of nvidia driver for the kernel.
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• 1203[09:15:34] <jelly> perhaps you also got a newer kernel, that depends on which command you ran to get this output
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• 1205[09:17:33] <jelly> midolov: this does not need to be a result of an "incorrect" installation
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• 1215[09:19:11] <midolov> jelly, i thought it was an installation mistake
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• 1218[09:19:41] <jelly> why?
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• 1221[09:20:14] <midolov> because kernel module doesn't match the xorg driver installed
• 1222[09:20:15] <jelly> simpledat: which command did you run to result in that message?
• 1223[09:20:25] <jelly> midolov: and why do you think it's a mistake?
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• 1225[09:22:09] <jelly> it's the currently loaded kernel module that has a mismatch; not necessarily the currently _installed_ kernel module
• 1226[09:22:16] <simpledat> jelly: apt-get update
• 1227[09:22:20] <simpledat> jelly: apt-get upgrade
• 1228[09:22:39] <dionysus69> so no one ? :\ I am having trouble with drivers when I cloned VM debian to hardware :\ i installed iwl-wifi and reinstall xserver-xorg-video-intel but display settings only shows 800x600 and wifi is still not detected
• 1229[09:23:26] <jelly> dionysus69: which debian release?
• 1230[09:23:28] <simpledat> jelly: So what do you think?
• 1231[09:23:36] <dionysus69> jelly: jessie with xfce
• 1232[09:23:43] <jelly> simpledat: I think you ought to follow what the message says
• 1233[09:24:10] <midolov> jelly, 2 different versions installed, i thought it was the mistake
• 1234[09:24:26] <jelly> midolov: it does NOT say 2 different versions installed
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• 1236[09:24:50] <jelly> it says "version loaded at present time different from version of other component installed"
• 1237[09:24:51] <midolov> jelly, sorry, i'm french, i didn't want to say mistake
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• 1239[09:25:31] <simpledat> jelly: How do I know that the newer kernel has been loaded probably?
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• 1241[09:25:41] <jelly> simpledat: things will work
• 1242[09:25:47] <simpledat> I mean, after reboot?
• 1243[09:25:50] <jelly> yes
• 1244[09:25:59] <cef> dionysus69: Re: wifi. Does the wifi hardware require firmware?
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• 1248[09:26:24] <dionysus69> cef I don't even know what wifi it has, most probably intel wifi
• 1249[09:26:49] <dionysus69> I expected kernel to detect the wifi because it is an all in one, not too old not too new
• 1250[09:26:49] <cef> dionysus69: specifically, do you see anything in the boot logs asking you to install firmware?
• 1251[09:26:57] <dionysus69> in dmesg?
• 1252[09:27:02] <jelly> dionysus69: if your hw platform is recent enough (released later than 2014 or 2015) you may need newer drivers than what's in jessie
• 1253[09:27:17] <cef> dionysus69: probably worth looking at things like lspci to see if it's got a built-in wifi adapter.
• 1254[09:27:25] <dionysus69> the red stuff I noticed in dmesg was referring to not being able to load AHCPI something bluetooth but I dont care about bluetooth atm
• 1255[09:27:33] <jelly> dionysus69: pastebin the output of lspci -nn
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• 1257[09:28:00] <dionysus69> ok one sek I ll get back, I had already started removing xfce to install it back
• 1258[09:28:25] <dionysus69> it might be a configuration issue, the config files might "save" state of when the OS was on VM
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• 1260[09:28:57] <dionysus69> btw, the same thing I did with gnome-shell, it didn't even boot, said unable to boot contact system administrator
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• 1262[09:29:55] <jelly> reinstallation without thought does not often solve problems on linux
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• 1264[09:30:25] <dionysus69> can't have thought, i just dont know :D
• 1265[09:30:54] <jelly> dionysus69: also, which cpu model? grep name /proc/cpuinfo|uniq
• 1266[09:31:03] <dionysus69> one sek
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• 1268[09:31:12] <dionysus69> intel pentium
• 1269[09:31:13] <dionysus69> dual core
• 1270[09:31:18] <dionysus69> dont know exact model yet one sek
• 1271[09:31:24] <jelly> complete, accurate output
• 1272[09:31:27] <jelly> please
• 1273[09:31:51] <jelly> otherwise it can't be looked up on ark.intel.com and
• 1274[09:32:04] <dionysus69> intel pentium cpu g4400T @ 2.9
• 1275[09:32:33] <jelly> skylake
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• 1277[09:32:43] <dionysus69> yes so?
• 1278[09:32:53] <dionysus69> are you saying a processor itself is not supported?
• 1279[09:32:53] <jelly> so you'll need kernel and xorg bits from jessie-backports
• 1280[09:33:00] <jelly> so it's new
• 1281[09:33:16] <dionysus69> oh good, I ll get with jessie backports and post back what happens
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• 1283[09:33:22] <jelly> !bdo kernel
• 1284[09:33:23] <dpkg> Newer kernels for Debian stable releases are available from the "jessie-backports" repository. Ask me about <jessie backports> to modify your sources.list, then run «aptitude update». To install the current backported kernel: «aptitude -t jessie-backports install linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian Backports))'».
• 1285[09:33:23] <dionysus69> thanks!
• 1286[09:33:26] <cef> Yeha prob won't work using default jessie.. you need bits from jessie-backports.
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• 1288[09:33:53] <jelly> dionysus69: you will also need firmware for whatever wifi to match the kernel, so from jessie-backports as well
• 1289[09:33:56] <cef> dionysus69: if you're using built-in video, the video hardware is actually on the processor.
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• 1291[09:34:47] <jelly> dionysus69: and also get xserver-xorg-video-intel libgl1-mesa-dri from there
• 1292[09:34:53] <jelly> ,v libgl1-mesa-dri
• 1293[09:34:54] <judd> Package: libgl1-mesa-dri on amd64 -- wheezy: 8.0.5-4+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 8.0.5-4+deb7u2; jessie: 10.3.2-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 13.0.6-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 13.0.6-1+b2; sid: 13.0.6-1+b2; experimental: 17.1.0-1
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• 1296[09:36:07] <dionysus69> thanks I ll make sure libgl1-mesa-dri is also added
• 1297[09:36:21] <jelly> gnome relies on 3d stuff
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• 1299[09:36:47] <dionysus69> oh now I see, all those troubles because I chose too new hardware for jessie for testing...
• 1300[09:36:51] <dionysus69> who would have thought lol
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• 1302[09:37:25] <dionysus69> i am trying to clone everything anywhere boot from vm then same from pc and then boot it from usb :D lol fun stuff
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• 1304[09:37:27] <jelly> simpledat: you'll see the version of nvidia kernel module loaded in dmesg
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• 1306[09:37:52] <cef> dionysus69: hah.. I have an i7-7700 - Kabylake. Same issue.. tho stretch works on it mostly fine.
• 1307[09:37:55] <jelly> /var/log/kern.log:Jun 5 23:39:53 hostname kernel: [ 14.104391] NVRM: loading NVIDIA UNIX x86_64 Kernel Module 375.66 Mon May 1 15:29:16 PDT 2017 (using threaded interrupts)
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• 1309[09:38:18] <dionysus69> cef: ye my main pc has stretch too :D
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• 1323[09:47:48] <cef> dionysus69: yeah well.. even stretch isn't quite up to speed for me at the moment.. *sigh*
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• 1326[09:48:31] <dionysus69> :S debian will catch up with you :D
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• 1331[09:50:09] <dionysus69> jelly how do I detect what wifi adapter do i have?
• 1332[09:50:21] <dionysus69> just downloading backports kernel
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• 1339[09:55:24] <dionysus69> I get no screens found error when trying to startx
• 1340[09:55:30] <dionysus69> with kernel 4.9
• 1341[09:55:53] <cef> dionysus69: indeed it will.. but only once stretch is released and backports starts appearing.
• 1342[09:56:14] <cef> dionysus69: you'll need the 4.9 kernel, cos X uses the kernel to talk to the video.
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• 1344[09:56:31] <dionysus69> ye I installed it :)
• 1345[09:57:03] <cef> yeah saw after I typed. :P
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• 1350[09:58:33] <cef> dionysus69: is the i915 module loaded?
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• 1353[09:59:46] <dionysus69> I dont know how to check just installed firmware-realtek package and it gives me possible missing firmware rtl_nic/rtl8107e-2.fw and rtl8168h-fw
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• 1356[10:00:20] <cef> dionysus69: `lsmod|grep ^i915`
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• 1358[10:01:08] <cef> dionysus69: as for firmware, make sure you're installing firmware-realtek from backports `apt-get -t jessie-backports install firmware-realtek`
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• 1360[10:01:39] <mystified> need help, unable to write to /dev/sdb1 Fs=ext2 internal drive was able to write 24hrs ago. It's mountable & able to open & view files with filemanager. I haver run fsck with no errors
• 1361[10:01:54] <mystified> replaced-url
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• 1364[10:02:32] <dionysus69> btw i915 shows up but now i am using 3.16 kernel since I couldnt use system well with 4.9
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• 1370[10:03:28] <cef> dionysus69: you'll need to check in 4.9 sorry. it's the module that communciates between kernel and xorg
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• 1372[10:04:02] <dionysus69> ok i ll go recovery mode
• 1373[10:04:10] <dionysus69> now it complained about missing iwlwifi modules
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• 1377[10:04:56] <cef> install firmware-iwlwifi from backports.
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• 1379[10:05:09] <cef> that might get you wifi.
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• 1385[10:06:54] <dionysus69> and what does it mean failed to open intel firmware file intel/ibt-hw-37...
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• 1387[10:07:28] <cef> dionysus69: did you install firmware-iwlwifi? if not, that'll be the file from within the firmware pkg the kernel is looking for.
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• 1389[10:08:29] <simpledat> jelly: How do I check the dmesg?
• 1390[10:08:30] <tx> reboot too (afterwards)
• 1391[10:08:38] <tx> simpledat: type "dmesg" as root
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• 1394[10:09:08] <cef> dionysus69: any luck with X?
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• 1396[10:09:40] <jelly> simpledat: "dmesg" is a command to run, or look at /var/log/kern.log
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• 1399[10:10:13] <jelly> dionysus69: can you show the complete message
• 1400[10:10:29] <simpledat> jelly: loading NVIDIA UNIX x86_64 Kernel Module 375.66 Mon May 1 15:29:16 PDT 2017 (using threaded interrupts)
• 1401[10:10:42] <simpledat> jelly: Where should I look?
• 1402[10:10:56] <jelly> simpledat: and does that match the versions of nvidia packages you have installed?
• 1403[10:11:19] <jelly> 375.66
• 1404[10:11:28] <simpledat> jelly: Can you paste the link again?
• 1405[10:11:38] <jelly> simpledat: what link?
• 1406[10:11:55] <simpledat> jelly: with the message that I pasted
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• 1409[10:12:44] <jelly> this? <simpledat> Hi, what does this mean? replaced-url
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• 1412[10:14:11] <vlt> mystified: Can you explain what "unable" means? What's stopping you from writing?
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• 1423[10:19:10] <simpledat> jelly: 375.66 yes it match :)
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• 1434[10:23:43] <cef> dionysus69: sorry, gotta go.. good luck!
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• 1440[10:25:34] <dionysus69> cef thanks for help
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• 1442[10:26:08] <dionysus69> jelly which message exactly? logged back into recovery, non recovery mode gets stuck on black screen with cursor blinking in top-left
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• 1445[10:26:36] <dionysus69> notice: i am doing this for fun/curiosity reasons :D
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• 1503[10:52:57] <al3xprey> anybody using sr-iov?
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• 1508[10:57:39] <_KaszpiR_> al3xprey what about it?
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• 1513[10:59:20] <al3xprey> is it suitable for DOS protection, if I have an isolated network in a vm? In a sense, that if I have a host node with 10VMs using different public IP addresses, if someone attacks one of the VMs via DDOS or whatever, the rest of the VMs on the node will not be affected? Is this possible?
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• 1515[11:00:08] <prometheus_> Hey, I'm having a tiny problem after installing debian, I can't get my internet to work. It connects to wifi, but I don't think dhcp is working, since I can't resolve anything
• 1516[11:00:32] <prometheus_> I'm doing this from the tty and can't really install new software since I don't have a wired connection atm
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• 1519[11:01:54] <_KaszpiR_> al3xprey not really, you will have saturated link either way and sr-iov does not help here at all
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• 1526[11:04:00] <al3xprey> so how can I overcome this problem?
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• 1528[11:04:22] <al3xprey> I thought that sr-iov could isolate the network cards at such degree
• 1529[11:04:29] <al3xprey> in the VMs i mean
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• 1531[11:04:49] <_KaszpiR_> not really
• 1532[11:05:10] <_KaszpiR_> the ddos comes from outside, while sr-iov helps from inside
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• 1534[11:05:49] <_KaszpiR_> you should filter out ddos before it comes to your infrastructure, as close to its roots, like on isp level
• 1535[11:05:56] <al3xprey> and if the only interface I have in the VM is an sr-iov one?
• 1536[11:06:18] <al3xprey> I see, yes. well this is clearly the standard procedure
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• 1538[11:07:30] <al3xprey> well okay then, why are you using sr-iov, just curious,?
• 1539[11:08:06] <_KaszpiR_> yes
• 1540[11:08:09] <_KaszpiR_> for performance reasons
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• 1543[11:08:32] <al3xprey> like bandwidth?
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• 1545[11:08:44] <_KaszpiR_> yeah
• 1546[11:09:01] <al3xprey> great, thank you very much for the info
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• 1551[11:12:23] <jelly> dionysus69: missing firmware message
• 1552[11:12:51] <dionysus69> ok i turned the pc off already, my nerves were on edge, couldn't connect to wifi from command line
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• 1579[11:25:58] <tedbundy29a> sup
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• 1581[11:26:31] <DarkNight777> hi what's up
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• 1583[11:26:46] <tedbundy29a> dup dn
• 1584[11:27:05] <tedbundy29a> sup dn
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• 1592[11:32:51] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
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• 1594[11:32:59] <tedbundy29a> sup
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• 1605[11:40:03] <prometheus_> dionysus69: I just got mine set up :P
• 1606[11:40:08] <prometheus_> wpa_supplicant is p comfy
• 1607[11:40:33] <dionysus69> hmm I ll try that then, was trying to do it through /etc/network/interfaces
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• 1609[11:41:14] <dionysus69> I want to make one generalized image which i could then be able to copy to any hardware
• 1610[11:41:33] <dionysus69> how do i installed "all" possible firmware so I dont end up fixing it later?
• 1611[11:41:47] <dionysus69> apt-get install firmware-*? :D
• 1612[11:41:49] <dionysus69> or what else
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• 1645[12:01:03] <Iridos> dionysus69, install the ones you will likely need… or better install the ones you already figured out you need
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• 1647[12:01:40] <dionysus69> roger that : )
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• 1649[12:01:45] <Iridos> there are -legacy packages of the same firmware (installer) and those should be incompatible with each other … and there are things like firmware-qlogic which are very very unlikely that you'll ever need them
• 1650[12:01:52] <gry> someone give me the audio checklist ? i do not have it
• 1651[12:02:05] <gry> no sound, it workd before, there was a dpkg factoid, thanks !
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• 1653[12:02:34] <Iridos> gry, yes, but that isn't really complete anymore since there's pulseaudio on all machines
• 1654[12:02:37] <Iridos> dpkg, alsa checklist
• 1655[12:02:37] <dpkg> 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
• 1656[12:02:56] <gry> okay thanks Iridos , if it does not work I will let you know
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• 1659[12:04:34] <Iridos> dpkg, pulseaudio
• 1660[12:04:35] <dpkg> PulseAudio (formerly Polypaudio) is a cross-platform network sound server, intended as a drop-in replacement for <ESD>. Packaged for Debian since 4.0 "Etch", read /usr/share/doc/pulseaudio/README.Debian after installation for configuration recommendations; Debian specific how-to is at replaced-url
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• 1662[12:04:43] <Iridos> hm
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• 1665[12:05:10] <Iridos> you should probably see how well that works with the graphical tool pavucontrol
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• 1669[12:05:48] <Iridos> and it should auto-restart after you kill it with pulseaudio --kill
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• 1709[12:23:33] <gry> "4) speakers on?" no! they are off.how do i enable them?
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• 1720[12:27:31] <BluesKaj> gry, they should show in alsamixer if they're connected to the analog outs on a regular pc, laptop speakers are sometimes not shown
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• 1728[12:29:43] <gry> BluesKaj: replaced-url
• 1729[12:29:55] <gry> BluesKaj: speakers are at OO, whatever that means.
• 1730[12:30:07] <gry> BluesKaj: up arrow does not increase their level.
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• 1742[12:35:26] <BluesKaj> gry, unmute your master ctl with the M key...MM means muted, 00 means open/unmuted
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• 1749[12:36:16] <gry> BluesKaj: I just did that. The third column is still OO and does not go up. Sound is not here.
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• 1751[12:36:33] <gry> BluesKaj: the first column indeed became OO instead of MM.
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• 1757[12:38:22] <BluesKaj> the first is your master volume control , it controls the over all volume. do you have more controls if you hit F5 ?
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• 1759[12:41:06] <gry> replaced-url
• 1760[12:41:22] <gry> yes, there is a few more. I took a screenshot.
• 1761[12:41:54] <surdulica> is it possible to set debian up in such a way that you stay on stable repos for updates and default installations but be able to selectively download specific packages from testing/sid?
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• 1763[12:42:05] <BluesKaj> you should have an automute ctl if you can navigate further to the right in alsamixer, if you have it disable it with the down arrow key
• 1764[12:42:18] <gry> actually, BluesKaj, it is working OK now. maybe because I brought some of these extra controls up. sound is playing.
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• 1766[12:42:24] <gry> ok
• 1767[12:42:29] <surdulica> like, enable testing repo but install through it only with a specific command, like apt install --from testing or something
• 1768[12:42:57] <gry> BluesKaj: I did that now aswell. what is its intended use case? why does it auto mute things for me?
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• 1770[12:43:59] <BluesKaj> gry , so you don't get blasted by system sounds when booting , it's pita default setting IMO
• 1771[12:44:35] <gry> now it will remember to not automute things ? or it gets reset at reboot
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• 1776[12:46:07] <BluesKaj> gry, ok use the Esc key to get out of alsamixer, now do, sudo alsactl store, that should save your settings
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• 1779[12:47:02] <gry> thanks! gives error, replaced-url
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• 1781[12:48:31] <BluesKaj> gry then you'll just have to check your alsamixer settings the next time your sound doesn't work
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• 1786[12:49:51] <jelly> surdulica: it's technically possible but is extremely unwise and unsupported
• 1787[12:50:01] <gry> right, thanks; if it is broken affter first reboot, i will take action. thanks for your focus attention to detail.
• 1788[12:50:21] <BluesKaj> gry, np
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• 1798[12:53:38] <glick> hi, how can i insall and browse the java api docs on my debian machine?
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• 1810[12:57:24] <glick> does anyone know how i can browse the java api docs on my machine offline?
• 1811[12:57:27] <kolnpole> how can i git clone directory
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• 1813[12:57:42] <kolnpole> replaced-url
• 1814[12:57:55] <kolnpole> i want to clone this in my machine
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• 1816[12:58:19] <kolnpole> glick, by downloading em?
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• 1818[12:58:45] <glick> kolnpole: is there a debian package for that
• 1819[13:00:19] <kolnpole> you mean the html document on the oracle site?
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• 1821[13:00:39] <kolnpole> this one ?replaced-url
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• 1866[13:31:38] <Eryn_1983_FL> hi peeps i am trying to get a module for vbox to compile
• 1867[13:31:41] <Eryn_1983_FL> can you help me out pls
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• 1869[13:31:44] <Eryn_1983_FL> replaced-url
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• 1897[13:42:33] <ChrisH> quick google search showed me: replaced-url
• 1898[13:42:34] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 1899[13:44:02] <Eryn_1983_FL> so is it going to fix?
• 1900[13:44:04] <Eryn_1983_FL> be
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• 1903[13:45:45] <Eryn_1983_FL> Fix is part of VBox 5.0.18.
• 1904[13:45:59] <Eryn_1983_FL> ok so its debian fault i am in this mess, they won't upgrade.
• 1905[13:46:08] <Eryn_1983_FL> ill grab the non-free from the site sigh..
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• 1914[13:53:29] <Brigo> Eryn_1983_FL in the debian bug page, they suggest using virtualbox-source and module-assistan
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• 1916[13:54:51] <Brigo> Eryn_1983_FL, you can grab virtualbox from backports too (as you have done with the kernel)
• 1917[13:55:03] <Brigo> ,v virtualbox
• 1918[13:55:04] <judd> Package: virtualbox on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy-backports/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1; jessie-security/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports/contrib: 5.1.8-dfsg-6~bpo8+2; sid/contrib: 5.1.22-dfsg-1
• 1919[13:55:17] <at0m> ,v virtualbox-dkms
• 1920[13:55:18] <judd> Package: virtualbox-dkms on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy-backports/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1; jessie-security/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports/contrib: 5.1.8-dfsg-6~bpo8+2; sid/contrib: 5.1.22-dfsg-1
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• 1923[13:56:16] <Eryn_1983_FL> well i can't even get the dependicies for 5.1
• 1924[13:56:31] <Eryn_1983_FL> i tried gettting backports but it was same verion..
• 1925[13:56:36] <Brigo> Eryn_1983_FL, you should, what is the problem?
• 1926[13:56:47] <Eryn_1983_FL> i did a apt-get -t jessie-backports install virtualbox
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• 1928[13:57:29] <Eryn_1983_FL> replaced-url
• 1929[13:57:40] <Eryn_1983_FL> thats from the repo on orcale site
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• 1936[13:59:34] <Eryn_1983_FL> nm i forgot the jessie in my sources
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• 1938[14:00:21] <Eryn_1983_FL> module is installed and loaded..
• 1939[14:00:23] <Eryn_1983_FL> time to test
• 1940[14:01:00] <Brigo> Eryn_1983_FL, good luck :)
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• 1961[14:08:39] <Eryn_1983_FL> yeah its working now ty
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• 1999[14:27:51] <cusco> hello folks, using old machine without efi bios
• 2000[14:28:16] <cusco> added a 4TB disk to replace a disk of 2tb in a mdadm
• 2001[14:28:36] <cusco> now I've read I should use gpt because the disk is larger than 2T
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• 2003[14:28:55] <cusco> if I do so, will I be able to boot with grub?
• 2004[14:29:05] <cusco> grub will want to install on the MBR, will that work?
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• 2006[14:29:44] <petn-randall> cusco: Sure, GPT and EFI are two different technologies that are independent of each other. They just happened to get widespread adoption around the same time.
• 2007[14:30:13] <cusco> but MBR is legacy where GPT is new?
• 2008[14:30:19] <petn-randall> cusco: So you can use GPT and legacy BIOS without problems together (and also EFI + MBR, or any other combination of the two)
• 2009[14:31:04] <cusco> ok my question really is how do I install grub ..
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• 2011[14:31:20] <cusco> because as soon as i googled for grub + gpt "grub-efi" comes on
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• 2017[14:33:03] <rudi_s> cusco: You can install grub just fine on gpt, you might need a bios partition as first partition though so grub has enough space to store its second stage loader there.
• 2018[14:33:06] <petn-randall> cusco: The same as you did with MBR. There's some background info on this page: replaced-url
• 2019[14:33:08] <cusco> but thank you for clearing that up petn-randall, i've been a bit away and never fiddled with it
• 2020[14:33:37] <petn-randall> cusco: Also what rudi_s said.
• 2021[14:33:57] <cusco> rudi_s: I was reading about that and then I strat readinf on having efi stuff on that partition, thats when I got worried
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• 2023[14:34:32] <cusco> seems a good reading petn-randall, thank you. I will try and understand
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• 2030[14:36:56] <rudi_s> (As background, grub puts its first stage loader in the MBR which is the first sector of the disk, that didn't change with GPT. - However in the old-style BIOS partitions there was enough space before the first normal partition to store the grub second stage loader. However that's no longer the case in GPT so you need a separate partition to store it. That's all. - So format the disk, add a bios par= ...
• 2031[14:37:02] <rudi_s> ...tition as first, 5MiB or so, and then /boot and the other partitions.)
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• 2034[14:37:33] <Eryn_1983_FL> Brigo: so do you know how the HDD auto expand works? does it do it on demand?
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• 2049[14:45:42] <at0m> Eryn_1983_FL: if i remember correctly, there's 2 ways of vbox disks. either fixed, or resized on demand
• 2050[14:46:29] <frostschutz> cusco, grub only needs a few kilobytes. if you forgot the gpt bios grub partition and your first partition starts at 1MiB, you can squeeze it in before that at 64s-2047s
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• 2067[14:55:02] <Brigo> Eryn_1983_FL, i don't think so. I use virtualbox, but not that much.
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• 2072[14:56:28] <nfahldieck> I'm trying to preseed a 16.04 LTS workstation install. I'm wondering what "tasksel tasksel/first standard" includes? Is it enough to just "tasksel tasksel/first ubuntu-gnome-desktop"?
• 2073[14:56:51] <nfahldieck> I can't seem to find any documentation on tasksel other than the installation-guide
• 2074[14:57:19] <colo-work> sounds like a question for #ubuntu - do they even use/support tasksel?
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• 2076[14:57:45] <cronicx> Hello there, can someone tell me how to make a .deb package for different Debian versions? (like 1 for 8+7)?
• 2077[14:58:20] <Brigo> cronicx, 8+7? you can make a package for one of them or the other, not both
• 2078[14:58:23] <somiaj> cronicx: due to how libaries are linked, you would have to make two seperate packages for each debian version and may even have to modify build things.
• 2079[14:58:42] <nfahldieck> oh dang, I'm sorry .. I posted the question to the wrong channel
• 2080[14:58:42] <cronicx> Brigo: somiaj ok :( thanks
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• 2083[14:59:01] <Brigo> cronicx, np
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• 2092[15:04:58] <nfahldieck> colo-work: maybe you can still help me as ubuntu is based upon debian. How can one find the included packages to a tasksel task?
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• 2097[15:08:55] <zykotick9> nfahldieck: please take ubuntu questions to #ubuntu. see "/msg dpkg based on debian"
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• 2102[15:09:37] <Iridos> cronicx, it depends on what you package… if e.g. it's just a python or perl script, it would just work with either version and you needn't do anything special for that. If it depends on a lot of libraries, there isn't really a way around building two packages (well, obviouslly you can link any binaries statically, then they shouldn't depend on anything on the system)
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• 2105[15:10:48] <Iridos> but that isn't in any way specific to packaging something under/for Debian, that's just something generally the case
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• 2111[15:13:45] <Iridos> nfahldieck, under debian… tasks are also virtual packages… apt-cache search --names-only ^task- but really ask #ubuntu… or use debian. It's a sad guessing game about what ubuntu changed that nobody likes to play here
• 2112[15:14:15] <themill> s/virtual/meta/
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• 2124[15:17:28] <cronicx> Iridos: Its nothing special.. A few packages as depency. But in Debian 7 it needs backport sources
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• 2127[15:20:52] <cronicx> Iridos: maybe that could be solved via preinstall?
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• 2135[15:22:03] <dirac1> how to boot debian on a U-boot bootloader?.
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• 2137[15:22:33] <Eryn_1983_FL> ya know its pretty funny i have to use linux to rescue a windows machine.. yet everyone used windows..
• 2138[15:22:40] <rafalcpp> is user "nobody" always on the system? or does a package maintainer somehow indicate that this is required for given package (e.g. for a daemon that sudoes into nobody)
• 2139[15:22:40] <Eryn_1983_FL> i just dont understand why..
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• 2142[15:23:50] <petn-randall> /q dpkg
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• 2144[15:24:01] <petn-randall> (sorry, please ignore)
• 2145[15:24:23] <themill> rafalcpp: /usr/share/doc/base-passwd/users-and-groups.txt.gz
• 2146[15:24:32] <at0m> Eryn_1983_FL: in a windows channel, "everyone used windows" may hold up. here, not so much
• 2147[15:24:47] <Eryn_1983_FL> true,
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• 2150[15:25:23] <Eryn_1983_FL> i was hoping ubuntu would be the desktop os of choice for the lay people,
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• 2152[15:26:11] <at0m> ubuntu is a distribution, not an OS. desktop can be mate, gnome, kde, ... which install on any linux distribution
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• 2157[15:27:23] <Eryn_1983_FL> yes your are right at0m
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• 2163[15:28:15] <GeorgesLeYeti> HI
• 2164[15:28:38] <Iridos> at0m, but debian ist "the universal operating system"? :D
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• 2166[15:29:00] <at0m> Iridos: yes, though some hadn't noticed
• 2167[15:29:08] <dirac1> I need to boot debian on a u-boot bootloader, any here know how to do it?.
• 2168[15:29:19] <Eryn_1983_FL> it is for me Iridos
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• 2170[15:30:08] <Iridos> it's only what the main heading/logo says on the top level of replaced-url
• 2171[15:30:23] <cusco> thanks rudi_s I will read up on that
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• 2179[15:33:31] <Rajsun> Besides Debian GNU/Linux, there is also Debian GNU/kFreeBSD
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• 2182[15:33:49] <Rajsun> And Hurd too Ibelieve
• 2183[15:34:32] <GeorgesLeYeti> Hi
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• 2185[15:34:46] <GeorgesLeYeti> I'm having an issue installing vsftpd on debian
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• 2191[15:37:39] <petn-randall> !asl
• 2192[15:37:40] <dpkg> well, asl is #del#
• 2193[15:37:42] <petn-randall> !ask
• 2194[15:37:42] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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• 2199[15:40:10] <hazard> I was planning on installing Debian on another machine today, but I see that Stretch is due for release in 10 days. Is there a difference between installing "testing" now, or waiting ten days for the official release?
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• 2201[15:41:07] <fnljk> hm, i dunno..besides u could possibly be 10 days ahead of the rest of the pack if starting early assuming won't be any major changes turning it all upside down....hmh
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• 2203[15:41:11] <BluesKaj> hazard, install the rc4 net install image
• 2204[15:41:26] <BluesKaj> it's very stable already
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• 2207[15:41:58] <hazard> BluesKaj: That's what I suspected. I just wanted to verify with some people that understood the release cycle better than I. I appreciate the quick response, thanks.
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• 2209[15:42:44] <BluesKaj> hazard, i'm running it as we speak and it's all good :-)
• 2210[15:42:48] <hazard> I did check the errata, and nothing appeared to affect my situation.
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• 2213[15:43:30] <hazard> Great. Thanks a heap.
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• 2232[15:53:40] <GeorgesLeYeti> I follow a tutorial to install vsftpd. (replaced-url
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• 2234[15:54:09] <cusco> frostschutz: I can re-partition the disk, I was now trying to find information on using grub on legacy bios to boot gpt, and i can't find any.. whatever i find suggests grub-efi package
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• 2236[15:54:31] <GeorgesLeYeti> But when i try to put a file in my /home/user/ftp I get 553 Could not create file.
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• 2238[15:54:35] <cusco> frostschutz: how big should that partition be? 2MiB ?
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• 2244[15:55:27] <GeorgesLeYeti> If I change the chmod 777 of my folder I cannot log : 500 OOPS: vsftpd: refusing to run with writable root inside chroot()
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• 2286[16:14:21] <ForceRecon> is there any information out there as to what IRC client people on linux use the most
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• 2297[16:18:20] <eyJhb> jhutchins_wk, seems like the ethernet cards works fine in a ubuntu machine
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• 2301[16:20:25] <petn-randall> !survey
• 2302[16:20:26] <dpkg> [survey] Don't ask whether 'somebody uses <app>' unless conducting a survey. Ask the question that you want to ask.
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• 2305[16:20:40] <petn-randall> Hmm, I thought it had a link to popcon.
• 2306[16:20:48] <BluesKaj> fo usually depends on your DE which irc client is available
• 2307[16:20:57] <petn-randall> !popcon
• 2308[16:20:58] <dpkg> rumour has it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest, the basis for what packages appear on the first few CDs/DVDs etc (by rank). Install the popularity-contest package to participate. See the results at replaced-url
• 2309[16:21:02] <petn-randall> ForceRecon: ^^^
• 2310[16:21:03] <BluesKaj> ForceRecon,^
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• 2322[16:24:45] <ForceRecon> yep.. searching online.. I figured after I asked that question I would get smacked.. so I decided just to go look for myself..
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• 2327[16:27:36] <petn-randall> ,popcon irssi bitchx hexchat smuxi konversation ii ibid
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• 2329[16:27:37] <judd> (popcon <packagename>) -- Show the popcon (popularity contents) data for a given binary package. replaced-url
• 2330[16:27:44] <petn-randall> ,popcon irssi
• 2331[16:27:45] <judd> Popcon data for irssi: inst: 5107, vote: 797, old: 4051, recent: 259, nofiles: 0
• 2332[16:28:02] <petn-randall> Hmm, a pity the bot doesn't know how to compare them yet.
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• 2338[16:30:21] <leonardobbh> Hello everybody. Sorry my English because I'm from Brazil. I'm having a big problem and I wonder if anyone had the same problem. I bought a Dell T130 server with the goal of installing Debian 8.8 Jessie with Xen. The server installs everything ok with the xen-system-amd64 package, but when I restart the server with the xen kernel, it kernel panic and reboots all the time. Someone could help me ... I sought help without success.
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• 2340[16:31:33] <webmind> leonardobbh: do you know what the last message is before the reboot?
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• 2344[16:32:21] <leonardobbh> WEBMIND - I can not see the kernel log because the kernel panic is very fast.
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• 2347[16:33:04] <leonardobbh> The LOG goes too fast
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• 2352[16:34:33] <leonardobbh> I have other older Dell servers with XEN running all ok.
• 2353[16:34:58] <webmind> leonardobbh: no need for caps
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• 2355[16:35:18] <webmind> no way way of recording the output?
• 2356[16:35:25] <webmind> phone, camera, or something
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• 2359[16:35:58] <leonardobbh> WEBMIND - Is it some driver that the 3.16 kernel or the xen version is not yet supported?
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• 2361[16:36:12] <leonardobbh> I'll try ... but no commitment. kkkk
• 2362[16:36:35] <leonardobbh> WEBMIND - It's very fast log
• 2363[16:37:29] <lost_soul> My google searches aren't yeilding very useful results, unfortunately. I have a jessie system that does have X installed however I've never actually ran it locally on the machine. I would very much like to edit the .gtkrc file so spacefm is darker (I don't necessarily need a whole theme)
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• 2365[16:38:41] <lost_soul> The reasoning is this, I use spacefm remotely via X forwarding and also have spacefm running locally. The difference in color would be a visual reminder that I'm working on the remote machine,.
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• 2368[16:39:56] <lost_soul> anyways... I've searched and the system doesn't seem to have a .gtkrc or I
• 2369[16:40:20] <lost_soul> I'm missing it... sorry for the premature press of the enter key.
• 2370[16:41:00] <webmind> leonardobbh: no idea
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• 2372[16:42:31] <leonardobbh> WEBMIND - How do I share the video I'm filming now with the XEN issue at boot?
• 2373[16:42:45] <leonardobbh> I made a video here.
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• 2376[16:44:27] <petn-randall> leonardobbh: No need to write their name in all caps. Just type "web<tab>" in your IRC client.
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• 2381[16:45:33] <leonardobbh> petn-randall, thanks... i'm sorry
• 2382[16:46:12] <webmind> leonardobbh: on the video you can read the error message and type it over here?
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• 2394[16:49:15] <leonardobbh> webmind: Unfortunately not ... just confirming that it is very fast and can not see the kernel panic message. But anyway thank you for trying to help me. I'll try to look for some newer version.
• 2395[16:50:08] <webmind> goodluck
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• 2397[16:51:45] <leonardobbh> webmind, thanks
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• 2404[16:53:41] <lud> Hi. Need help for a haproxy that crashes with the following : replaced-url
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• 2410[16:57:58] <petn-randall> Hi lud, can you provide the following:
• 2411[16:57:59] <petn-randall> !bat
• 2412[16:58:00] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
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• 2417[16:59:40] <petn-randall> lud: Maybe even simpler. Just update. haproxy 1.6.5 doesn't exist in Debian anymore.
• 2418[16:59:44] <petn-randall> ,v haproxy
• 2419[16:59:45] <judd> Package: haproxy on amd64 -- jessie-security: 1.5.8-3+deb8u1; wheezy-backports: 1.5.8-3+deb8u2~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.5.8-3+deb8u2; wheezy-backports-sloppy: 1.7.5-2~bpo7+1; jessie-backports: 1.7.5-2~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.7.5-2; sid: 1.7.5-2
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• 2439[17:07:18] <Pegasus_RPG> Hello. Can anyone help me figure out why Firefox (installed from mozilla.debian.org) is refusing to load microsoft domains?
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• 2441[17:07:37] <Pegasus_RPG> When I put a microsoft address in the bar, it looks like it's loading for a split second then does nothign.
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• 2443[17:07:51] <petn-randall> Pegasus_RPG: do other addresses work?
• 2444[17:08:23] <Pegasus_RPG> petn-randall: yes. I even changed DNS servers in resolv.conf which made no difference. (Indeed, other browsers work fine.)
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• 2448[17:09:20] <petn-randall> Pegasus_RPG: Does it throw an error?
• 2449[17:09:28] <Pegasus_RPG> petn-randall: no, just doesn't load
• 2450[17:09:28] <BluesKaj> MS blocking FF perhaps?
• 2451[17:09:40] <Pegasus_RPG> BluesKaj: I'm starting to wonder that, but that would be insane :)
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• 2455[17:10:55] <BluesKaj> or MS sees some part of FF as a security issue
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• 2458[17:11:37] <BluesKaj> Pegasus_RPG, FF-esr ?
• 2459[17:11:55] <petn-randall> Pegasus_RPG: Which URL are you currently testing?
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• 2462[17:12:27] <Pegasus_RPG> yes, 52.1.0 (64-bit). replaced-url
• 2463[17:12:34] <verm1n> try followiung the network trace in inspect element
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• 2465[17:12:52] <Pegasus_RPG> Though microsoftstore.com starts to load but it references microsoft.com so stops
• 2466[17:13:21] <Pegasus_RPG> Entering microsoft.com on the new tab page doesn't even change the page. (I still see the site suggestions)
• 2467[17:13:42] <Pegasus_RPG> It really looks like FF has somehow blacklisted microsoft.com
• 2468[17:13:53] <Sri_Designer> fwiw firefox on macos wfm
• 2469[17:14:00] <lud> petn-randall: imma try to update then. Thanks
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• 2471[17:14:14] <petn-randall> Pegasus_RPG: works fine here. Are you using ublock/adblock?
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• 2473[17:14:30] <Pegasus_RPG> Just NOscript
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• 2478[17:14:49] <Pegasus_RPG> yeah, I'm sure it's something on my system
• 2479[17:14:52] <Pegasus_RPG> But what?!
• 2480[17:14:56] <verm1n> try to install the blender addon to see if your user agent has anything to do with it
• 2481[17:15:13] <BluesKaj> Pegasus_RPG, it loads here, but it takes a while for the Canadian MS Store to load
• 2482[17:15:18] <Sri_Designer> deactivate noscript first
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• 2495[17:18:37] <Igel> hello, i have a 10GigE SFP adapter (Solarflare Communications SFC9020) -- but it seems hard to find.. So could anyone make a recomendation for a 10gbps SFP NIC that they use in jessie/stretch? I'm not willing to purchase any NIC that depends on DKMS driver stuff..
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• 2497[17:19:52] <Pegasus_RPG> NoScript disabled, problem still exists
• 2498[17:19:56] * Pegasus_RPG searches about:config
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• 2502[17:20:42] <Pegasus_RPG> nope.
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• 2508[17:24:08] <Sri_Designer> at this point i'd try the ff from mozilla
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• 2513[17:25:42] <BluesKaj> Igel, looks like you're out of luck if you won't accept a dkms driver or switch to redhat for rpm replaced-url
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• 2516[17:26:40] <petn-randall> Pegasus_RPG: I'd try with a clean user config to check if it's an issue with your config files (very likely).
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• 2526[17:33:43] <electro7> hi
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• 2528[17:33:54] <Pegasus_RPG> petn-randall: oh good idea. testing now
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• 2532[17:35:27] <Pegasus_RPG> oh interesting... opening a private browsing window /does/ allow it to work
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• 2534[17:35:47] <petn-randall> :)
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• 2563[17:48:07] <thurstylark> Is there a canonical list of all possible system uids that debian packages create? For instance, Arch has this list: replaced-url
• 2564[17:48:20] <dirac1> where i can download debian mips in .img format?.
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• 2567[17:49:14] <BluesKaj> thurstylark, debian has no official connection with canonical afaik
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• 2569[17:49:57] <thurstylark> BluesKaj: Not talking about the company Canonical. I'm using the actual word.
• 2570[17:50:27] <petn-randall> thurstylark: There isn't one, sometimes system users are created with the first free uid available.
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• 2572[17:51:08] <thurstylark> petn-randall: good to know. Thanks!
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• 2577[17:52:38] <jhutchins_wk> petn-randall: Actually, service accounts - the ones in that list - are usually created as a specific UID.
• 2578[17:52:56] <jhutchins_wk> Whether anybody's collected them into a list is another question.
• 2579[17:53:07] <BluesKaj> thurstylark, perhaps you should check the correct definition of the word canonical :-)
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• 2581[17:53:26] <jhutchins_wk> thurstylark: I would say that the arch IDs are a good guide, but there could be variations.
• 2582[17:53:37] <jhutchins_wk> I don't know if lsb covers uid/gid.
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• 2588[17:56:11] <thurstylark> BluesKaj: Conforming to a general rule or acceptable procedure.
• 2589[17:56:19] <Sri_Designer> he used "canonical" correctly
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• 2592[17:57:23] <BluesKaj> my apologies thurstylark, the first definition I got had to dow the the clergy ...should have looked further
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• 2594[17:57:45] <Sri_Designer> well, it does derive from the canon, or hte list of accepted books
• 2595[17:57:50] <BluesKaj> had to do with the clergy, that is
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• 2598[17:58:10] <BluesKaj> yeah canon law and all that
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• 2605[18:01:00] <j4ckcom> why i add this for update? Add the following line to the /etc/apt/sources.list file.
• 2606[18:01:01] <j4ckcom> deb replaced-url
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• 2613[18:03:42] <j4ckcom> No one is here?
• 2614[18:04:05] <bazhang> yeah they are
• 2615[18:04:07] <petn-randall> j4ckcom: Can you rephrase what your issue is or what you're trying to do?
• 2616[18:04:08] <petn-randall> !ask
• 2617[18:04:09] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
• 2618[18:04:12] <petn-randall> j4ckcom: ^^^
• 2619[18:04:47] <j4ckcom> replaced-url
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• 2622[18:05:28] <j4ckcom> but there is a statement like that Add the following line to the /etc/apt/sources.list file. deb replaced-url
• 2623[18:05:33] <j4ckcom> petn-randall:
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• 2625[18:05:50] <petn-randall> j4ckcom: And what is your question?
• 2626[18:06:31] <j4ckcom> lol
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• 2638[18:08:40] <petn-randall> j4ckcom: Like, don't you understand the instructions? Or are you wondering why you have to do it? Or if you can skip it?
• 2639[18:09:09] <j4ckcom> Or are you wondering why you have to do it? Or if you can skip it?
• 2640[18:09:13] <j4ckcom> petn-randall:
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• 2643[18:10:15] <dob1> hi, I am reading the installation guide but i can't find it: I remember a section where you it was described that you can start the installation of the system and then installer gives the option to ssh to the machine and continue the installation
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• 2646[18:10:46] <petn-randall> dob1: IIRC that's in the expert installer, you have to pick that in the boot menu
• 2647[18:10:58] <debby_debian> huh, hi...
• 2648[18:11:21] <dob1> petn-randall, I just installed a debian system in this way but it was time ago, and there was a guide with some screenshots, maybe it was not on debian.org
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• 2651[18:12:14] <debby_debian> Are there any plans to land firefox esr 52 in debian stretch? (i guess the odds aren't too good... freezes were a long time ago :/)
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• 2653[18:13:00] <petn-randall> ,v firefox
• 2654[18:13:01] <judd> Package: firefox on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.0-1~bpo80+1; sid: 53.0.is.52.0.2-1; experimental: 53.0.is.53.0-1
• 2655[18:13:13] <dob1> if someone interested replaced-url
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• 2657[18:13:41] <petn-randall> ,v firefox-esr
• 2658[18:13:42] <judd> Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 45.9.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie: 45.9.0esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 45.9.0esr-1~deb8u1; sid: 45.9.0esr-1; stretch: 45.9.0esr-1; jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.1.0esr-1~bpo80+1; experimental: 52.1.0esr-1
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• 2660[18:14:02] <debby_debian> x)
• 2661[18:14:18] <petn-randall> debby_debian: IIRC there are plans to pull 52-esr into stretch soon™.
• 2662[18:14:19] <debby_debian> petn-randall: thank you (and thank judd too :)
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• 2665[18:14:40] <debby_debian> nice :>
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• 2667[18:16:06] <petn-randall> j4ckcom: You just copied and pasted my questions. Do you also want to answer them?
• 2668[18:16:35] <j4ckcom> wtf x(
• 2669[18:16:40] <j4ckcom> ahahahahaha
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• 2671[18:16:45] <j4ckcom> go to hell guy
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• 2674[18:17:02] <j4ckcom> i will use ubuntu instead of debian
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• 2676[18:17:17] <j4ckcom> petn-randall:
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• 2678[18:17:35] <petn-randall> I guess that is a no then. Good luck!
• 2679[18:17:37] <petn-randall> !next
• 2680[18:17:38] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
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• 2695[18:22:11] <raynold> ahh it's a wonderful day
• 2696[18:22:39] <knstn> Hi, i typed in terminal $udevadm monitor, plugged a usb drive, and no messages generated nor usb recognized. Is the port dead?
• 2697[18:22:48] <nwi> are there plans for debian to drop x32?
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• 2702[18:23:25] <dob1> why drop it?
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• 2704[18:23:41] <nwi> i know right
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• 2721[18:30:12] <Igel> BluesKaj: i'm willing to buy a totally different 10gige SFP adapter.. any suggestions?
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• 2729[18:31:27] <Igel> hi, I'm looking to replace a non-wanted DKMS dependant NIC hardware piece with a well-trusted // in-kernel 10GigE SFP adapter. Any suggestions?
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• 2732[18:31:53] <Igel> i'm assuming a common driver would be e1000+ or etc..
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• 2741[18:40:58] <Igel> BluesKaj: the solarflare SFC9020 seems to have enumerated w/o using any closed drivers though.. out of the box jessie install.. may be there is more to it? i havent tested the fiber module yet.. soon though, but id rather go w/ something that is not DKMS.. I have another adapter that is closed e-waste at this point : Ethernet controller: Tehuti Networks Ltd. TN9210 10GBase-T Ethernet Adapter
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• 2744[18:41:55] <Igel> closed source drivers == future hardware ewaste
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• 2754[18:45:09] <nwi> is it a no-no to install into /usr/local/bin/ ?
• 2755[18:46:33] <Igel> no thats ok
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• 2759[18:47:40] <Igel> you can always ./configure --prefix=$HOME/bin/thisApp
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• 2761[18:48:13] <Igel> then export PATH=$PATH:$HOME/bin/thisApp
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• 2763[18:48:43] <petn-randall> nwi: You might want to use stow.
• 2764[18:48:44] <petn-randall> !stow
• 2765[18:48:45] <dpkg> it has been said that stow is a nifty program used to manage a /usr/local/ hierarchy. It keeps all the programs separate, so you can install and remove them without playing the "which program does that file belong to" game; ask me about <stow usage>. replaced-url
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• 2767[18:49:22] <Igel> damn
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• 2769[18:49:31] <Psy-Q> is the firefox-beta package no longer available from the mozilla team? it seems to have gone away
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• 2777[18:51:27] <nwi> replaced-url
• 2778[18:51:52] <dontknow> Psy-Q, it requires rust to compile and jessie doesn2t have that
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• 2782[18:52:59] <nwi> but you can use the pre compiled binaries right?
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• 2789[18:53:40] <Psy-Q> dontknow: ah yes, sorry, i forgot to say: i'm on stretch
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• 2795[18:55:45] <n4dir> Igel: if i recall correct, adding $HOME/bin to the users path is already done in his ~/.profile
• 2796[18:55:59] <Psy-Q> i'm now trying to install FirefoxNightly via flatpak, let's see how that goes. never tried flatpak
• 2797[18:56:00] <n4dir> in debian, duh
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• 2801[18:57:14] <Psy-Q> interesting, it also pulls in some old nvidia driver :P
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• 2803[18:57:44] <n4dir> nwi: i think /opt is what i would choose instead
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• 2806[18:58:49] <Psy-Q> webgl/opengl is broken inside the flatpak, but the rest works. surprising
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• 2835[19:06:39] <Walakea> why are there so many more packages for Arch based distros? are they easier to make?
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• 2842[19:08:10] <nwi> its kinda easy, just prepare a pkgbuild and makepkg -ci
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• 2847[19:08:42] <mutante> Walakea: it seems there are over 48k Debian packages and about 10k Arch packages
• 2848[19:08:46] <Walakea> then i would assume that they provide less features than apt?
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• 2850[19:08:57] <mutante> so i don't see that there are more
• 2851[19:09:11] <n4dir> god himself packages for arch, that's why.
• 2852[19:09:18] <Walakea> mutante: i am not sure if you are counting unofficial ones
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• 2856[19:09:59] <mutante> replaced-url
• 2857[19:10:47] <zuiss1> is it easy to migrate a debian install from i386 to amd64 or should i wipe and reinstall?
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• 2860[19:11:17] <_KaszpiR_> wipe and reinstall
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• 2862[19:11:39] <_KaszpiR_> leave home and etc, lest can be wiped
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• 2864[19:12:20] <n4dir> are there any advantages using 64 instead of 386?
• 2865[19:12:21] <zuiss1> ok then another question. should i install 64bit vesion of debian if i have a working 32 bit version?
• 2866[19:12:29] <zuiss1> n4dir: that's what i am wondering
• 2867[19:12:35] <sonOfRa> zuiss1: if you want to use more than 4GB of RAM, the answer is yes.
• 2868[19:12:44] <zuiss1> this machine has only 2 GB RAM
• 2869[19:12:47] <n4dir> i see. I wonder it for years now. no one could convince me
• 2870[19:12:49] <sonOfRa> If you have a 64-bit processor, the answer is also yes
• 2871[19:13:03] <sonOfRa> Because a lot of operations are more efficient when using full-width registers vs half-width
• 2872[19:13:10] <zuiss1> the processor supports 32 and 64 bit
• 2873[19:13:28] <foetus> use amd64 on uefi machines
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• 2875[19:13:47] <sonOfRa> If your processor supports 64-bit mode, there isn't any good reason NOT to use it.
• 2876[19:13:50] <n4dir> zuiss1: whenever i install 64 i use more RAM and apps use more space to be installed (iirc).
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• 2880[19:14:27] <zuiss1> sonOfRa: wouldn't apps using more RAM on a system that doesn't have much be a reason?
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• 2882[19:14:33] <nwi> well yeah 32*2=64
• 2883[19:14:40] <n4dir> but as you can see, the default answer is "oh, uh, ah, yes, 64 is the way to go).
• 2884[19:15:05] <sonOfRa> zuiss1: not meaningfully more. They would however, be faster at retrieving memory.
• 2885[19:15:15] <zuiss1> ok thanks for the information
• 2886[19:15:40] <sonOfRa> If you're on a 64-bit machine but running a 32-bit OS, then loads and stores of memory from RAM are often more expensive, because they don't load full words
• 2887[19:16:05] <nwi> 64 is more comfy
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• 2889[19:16:16] <sonOfRa> Also, a lot of software is more efficient when broader registers can be used: For example libraries that use multi-precision arithmetic
• 2890[19:16:40] <foetus> x64 brings better support for uefi machines, amd64 kernels have efi loader included
• 2891[19:16:43] <sonOfRa> Generally, doubling register size has a direct influence on the runtime of algorithms that work on large numbers, like 2048-bit RSA keys
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• 2898[19:18:19] <jhutchins_wk> n4dir: There are some projects (Google Chrome) that no longer support 32b linux.
• 2899[19:18:22] <sonOfRa> A great and easy to understand is multiplication of large numbers: A naive multiplication algorithm on a 32 bit machine would need to perform 4096 multiplications to multiply two 1024-bit numbers with each other.
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• 2901[19:18:45] <sonOfRa> The same algorithm, on a 64-bit machine, needs to perform 1024 operations for the same multiplication.
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• 2905[19:19:49] <n4dir> jhutchins_wk: i seem to recall that even some distros don't offer 32 anymore.
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• 2907[19:20:06] <n4dir> not that i would care for google chrome, but i got your point
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• 2910[19:20:46] <n4dir> like said: i ain't got good experience with 64, but the default answer seems like the one given here.
• 2911[19:21:14] <zuiss1> flash doesn't support 32 bit linux either, for those who still need it
• 2912[19:21:16] <sonOfRa> So in general: a 64bit OS might use slightly more of your available RAM, but it will significantly speed up some costly operations. And large-integer-arithmetic is something you do all the time (every time you open a HTTPS website, every time you connect to your mail server using TLS...)
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• 2929[19:29:45] <n4dir> btw, i thought the problem of more than 4 Gigs of RAM was addressed by the bigmem kernel (which than got obsolete, as the problem was solved by other means)
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• 2990[19:56:47] <Iridos> oh… I had already forgotten about the 32->64 bit change…
• 2991[19:57:20] <Iridos> that might be a good explanation why programs these days use up such freaking huge amounts of space… at least in part
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• 2995[19:58:14] <jan_nabot> hello, can someone tell me what is default value of $TERM in tty (outside of X)
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• 3010[20:03:14] <verythingoeswron> how can I check if my server is running some sort of proxy? I could go one by one (check if nginx or others are running, etc) but I need a method that will tell me if its using a proxy for incoming or outgoing connections
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• 3017[20:05:31] <Iridos> you should decide if you want to see if it is *running* a proxy or *using* a proxy
• 3018[20:05:50] <nwi> jan_nabot probably linux
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• 3021[20:06:42] <verythingoeswron> Iridos: w/e, do u know how to search for a string in all files of a folder?
• 3022[20:06:51] <verythingoeswron> recursively
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• 3024[20:07:19] <Iridos> yes
• 3025[20:07:23] <verythingoeswron> grep-r, see, faster than you
• 3026[20:07:29] <verythingoeswron> cya loser
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• 3028[20:08:03] <Iridos> ^^
• 3029[20:08:22] <Iridos> glad I saved the effort typing anything anyway
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• 3134[20:18:40] <sondr3> wut
• 3135[20:18:47] <silverhom> ._.
• 3136[20:18:54] <sbasso> lol
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• 3143[20:21:59] <Emilio_Eiji> o/
• 3144[20:22:57] <eternal-pain> no
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• 3188[20:38:53] <duntwork> tunneling socket could not be established, cause=connect EINVAL 0.0.12.56:80
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• 3212[20:46:35] <jolt> duntwork: No idea what you are doing, but that is not a proper IP address
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• 3216[20:48:21] <duntwork> jolt: I know. I'm trying to make an http request through an nginx http server, through an outside proxy, and I'm getting that answer
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• 3220[20:50:08] <jolt> duntwork: unfortunately it's not possible to troubleshoot that without looking at the proxy_pass url you have configured
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• 3224[20:52:21] <duntwork> jolt: there's no proxy_pass url param in nginx.conf, what do you mean?
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• 3227[20:53:11] <jolt> Ah, outside proxy, I thought you meant that you wanted to have nginx proxy it
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• 3229[20:53:39] <duntwork> now I found a proxy_pass inside sites-enabled
• 3230[20:54:03] <duntwork> this is a python http server, with nginx on top of it
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• 3232[20:54:28] <duntwork> now this python http server makes http requests to replaced-url
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• 3250[20:57:04] <hlmjr> Does apt or dpkg have a C library I can link against?
• 3251[20:57:05] <jolt> duntwork: nginx will only proxy to your python app, not the app going to a.com. Have you exported your http_proxy=my.working.proxy.com:3128 so that python gets that when its started?
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• 3254[20:58:04] <duntwork> I use four proxys and I load them from inside the python app
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• 3256[20:58:21] <jolt> alright. Is that error from python or nginx?
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• 3260[20:59:40] <duntwork> python
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• 3263[21:00:07] <duntwork> so python apparently is trying to make a connection to that non existant ip instead of to my proxy
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• 3267[21:01:02] <jolt> duntwork: sounds like you declared something wrong in the python code, or that your proxy settings are messed up. can you access something locally?
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• 3346[21:31:29] <BenderRodriguez> who inged me
• 3347[21:31:35] <BenderRodriguez> pinged*
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• 3349[21:33:03] <SwK> BenderRodriguez, spammer that ended up K-lined
• 3350[21:33:16] <Iridos> the wind, the wind… oh well, or a spammer
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• 3357[21:37:50] <itaipu> Does someone have a suggestion for a good TTS (Text To Speech) System ? I already tried festival and espeak didn't like them. And I need a command line utility, so I feed it programmatically
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• 3359[21:38:11] <Iridos> I used espeak
• 3360[21:38:15] <Iridos> what didn't you like about it
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• 3368[21:40:34] <itaipu> Iridos: the voice was really pitchy
• 3369[21:41:50] <Iridos> that's somewhat/more a property of the voice files used than of the program… well, a bit of both, really
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• 3371[21:42:06] <brandywine> espeak is fine. maybe you want to grab better voices
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• 3373[21:42:26] <itaipu> I just compared them with ttsreader.com it seems smooth
• 3374[21:42:32] <itaipu> there
• 3375[21:42:35] <Iridos> it's some time ago that I experimented with it… back then, I think I remember that at least some of the best voice files were proprietary, though… but there is better than the default
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• 3380[21:44:58] <Iridos> apt-cache search 'text.*to.*speech' # should probably show you alternatives… but I think you need to read more about espeak (or any other program) and get voice files that are better for you than the default
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• 3384[21:45:56] <Iridos> hm, well, also apt-cache search tts speech because I don't see freetts in the first list
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• 3387[21:47:42] <pie3> how to set up server in linux ?
• 3388[21:47:50] <itaipu> Iridos: I'm checking how to change the voices in espeak
• 3389[21:48:23] <Lowl3v3l> pie3: if you need to ask THIS question you are not ready to anyway.
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• 3391[21:49:20] <pie3> Lowl3v3l: you can take me to any rough way
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• 3399[21:50:53] <Iridos> pie3, what is "set up server"
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• 3404[21:51:36] <pie3> Iridos: installing and using
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• 3406[21:52:38] <Iridos> you are being blatantly unspecific
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• 3408[21:52:48] <Iridos> a server is a program that serves clients
• 3409[21:53:20] <Iridos> you also go into a shop and say "I want to buy a thing, where do I find that"
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• 3411[21:55:09] <pie3> what is diff. between bash and linux
• 3412[21:55:13] <pie3> i am not sure what is bash
• 3413[21:55:43] <pie3> i want to play with any kind of server Iridos
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• 3416[21:56:18] <jmcnaught> pie3: there are a lot of free resources on line to get started with, including here: replaced-url
• 3417[21:57:04] <jmcnaught> once you make some progress, if you are having trouble with a specific thing, you are welcome to come back with specific questions
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• 3456[22:09:05] <jhutchins_wk> !handbook
• 3457[22:09:05] <dpkg> The Debian Administrator's Handbook is at replaced-url
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• 3466[22:11:40] <jhutchins_wk> pie3: replaced-url
• 3467[22:12:10] <pie3> i have linux set up
• 3468[22:12:13] <pie3> thanks for links
• 3469[22:12:18] <jhutchins_wk> Ah.
• 3470[22:12:28] <pie3> recently set
• 3471[22:12:36] <jhutchins_wk> pie3: Bash is the program that you're actually running when you open a console or terminal.
• 3472[22:13:02] <jhutchins_wk> pie3: It is a "shell", and there are several options, it's like the cmd command prompt in windows.
• 3473[22:13:12] <pie3> does same program is running when i open command prompt in windows?
• 3474[22:13:25] <pie3> ok
• 3475[22:13:27] <jhutchins_wk> pie3: No, not the same.
• 3476[22:13:31] <pie3> you clarified
• 3477[22:13:49] <pie3> what is diff?
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• 3479[22:13:53] <pie3> both are bash right?
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• 3482[22:14:37] <jhutchins_wk> No. Bash is the "Bourne Again SHell", it is *nix based. The console in Windows is DOS based.
• 3483[22:14:47] <jhutchins_wk> !shell
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• 3487[22:15:22] <pie3> if I have debian, you have mint, another have arch, fourth has gentoo, when all of us opens terminal, bash will be running?
• 3488[22:15:26] <pie3> those bash are different?
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• 3491[22:15:42] <jhutchins_wk> Bash, dash, or sh
• 3492[22:16:02] <jhutchins_wk> pie3: But if it's bash, it will be the same.
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• 3494[22:16:18] <pie3> i guess defaults are bash
• 3495[22:16:29] <pie3> in all os
• 3496[22:16:41] <pie3> or it prompts to select while installation?
• 3497[22:16:41] <jhutchins_wk> pie3: Linux is very modular, and while different distributions set different options, they tend to use the same hardware from "upstream" projects.
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• 3500[22:17:01] <jhutchins_wk> pie3: No, some default to dash or sh.
• 3501[22:17:06] <pie3> ok
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• 3503[22:17:20] <jhutchins_wk> pie3: Depends on the installer whether it prompts.
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• 3505[22:17:44] <jhutchins_wk> pie3: You can set it when you create a user, and you can change it, and you can run one shell inside another.
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• 3508[22:17:58] <pie3> one shell inside another
• 3509[22:18:01] <pie3> heard first time
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• 3511[22:18:10] <pie3> why it is required
• 3512[22:18:21] <pie3> how it is helpful
• 3513[22:18:25] <pie3> do you mean sh inside bash
• 3514[22:18:29] <pie3> or viceversa?
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• 3516[22:18:40] <pie3> possible multiple parallel shell in linux?
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• 3518[22:18:53] <TomG2> i don't know what you're talking about yet, pie3
• 3519[22:19:37] <TomG2> calm down and talk in channel please :)
• 3520[22:19:41] <jhutchins_wk> pie3: Yes, it's derived from "time sharing" systems that could have multiple users at the same time.
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• 3522[22:20:10] <pie3> i have other topics to share with you TomG2
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• 3525[22:21:30] <TomG2> pie3, i'm only here to help with Debian
• 3526[22:21:35] <jhutchins_wk> dpkg: vpn
• 3527[22:21:35] <dpkg> A Virtual Private Network (VPN) is constructed by connecting computers together over the Internet and encrypting their communications. This provides the ability to access LAN resources from remote locations. Ask me about <openvpn>, <openswan>, <openssh> (see -w option), <vpnc>, <pptp>.
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• 3533[22:22:57] <ForceRecon> anyone have any ideas on how to upgrade Quassel to latest version since we are only at Version: v0.10.0 (dist-575f27e)
• 3534[22:22:57] <ForceRecon> Protocol version: 10
• 3535[22:22:57] <ForceRecon> Built: Jun 10 2016 19:55:21
• 3536[22:23:13] <ForceRecon> any chance the update can be put up?
• 3537[22:23:22] <somiaj> ,v quassel
• 3538[22:23:23] <judd> Package: quassel on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.8.0-1+deb7u3; wheezy-security: 0.8.0-1+deb7u3; jessie-security: 1:0.10.0-2.3+deb8u1; jessie: 1:0.10.0-2.3+deb8u3; stretch: 1:0.12.4-2; sid: 1:0.12.4-2
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• 3540[22:23:26] <yokisuci> hm
• 3541[22:23:35] <Iridos> pie3, just install debian or any other linux on any computer you may have standing around. Probably any first-hand experience will help to at least make you confused on a much higher level than now
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• 3543[22:23:44] <somiaj> ForceRecon: you talking about jessie? is 0.12 a new enough version? If so you cna tyr to make your own backport
• 3544[22:23:48] <somiaj> !tell ForceRecon about ssb
• 3545[22:23:56] <jhutchins_wk> ForceRecon: What version are you looking for, and what features do you gain?
• 3546[22:24:12] <ForceRecon> I am running jessie but install from term only puts on 10
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• 3548[22:24:51] <somiaj> ForceRecon: jessie is frozen, so that is the tested version that comes with jessie. I would stick with that if you can. If there is something you really need, you'll have to compile it yourself. I suggest trying to backport it first, but you could also do a local install.
• 3549[22:24:53] <ForceRecon> 4 versions since 10 so lots of bugs and stuff
• 3550[22:25:06] <pie3> i have linkux Iridos
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• 3552[22:25:18] <pie3> how ssh differs from vpn? jhutchins_wk
• 3553[22:25:20] <ForceRecon> you think in 10 days when stretch comes out the new release will be there?
• 3554[22:25:42] <jhutchins_wk> ForceRecon: v.12 is in stretch.
• 3555[22:26:06] <ForceRecon> thanks.... you think when I update to stretch that my setting will be saved?
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• 3557[22:26:19] <ForceRecon> or is updating a questionable item
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• 3559[22:26:46] <jhutchins_wk> ForceRecon: Remember that debian applies patches to stable versions of software to fix security issues, the major number in Debian is not necessarily the same as the upstream version of that same number.
• 3560[22:26:56] <ForceRecon> I actually only have two items on my machine that state they are not standard and that would be anydesk and vmware
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• 3562[22:27:27] <ForceRecon> I should be okay.. so all we do in 10 days is change the repositories and let it fly?
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• 3572[22:30:42] <jhutchins_wk> ForceRecon: Read the release notes first: replaced-url
• 3573[22:30:44] <TomG2> how many machines do you have? upgrading Debian is usually highly reliable
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• 3577[22:30:53] <TomG2> and read the release notes :)
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• 3579[22:31:33] <ForceRecon> bookmarked release notes.. I will read
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• 3585[22:32:53] <jhutchins_wk> ForceRecon: Some people like to wait a while before upgrading. There will be a rush at first and the servers will be heavily loaded, and it gives you a chance to let other people find problems.
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• 3587[22:33:23] <ForceRecon> I really hope the upgrade goes well.. Took me all day to get Quassel IRC on TOR properly... I think I know it by heart.. :)
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• 3589[22:33:48] <ForceRecon> I will probably wait it out.. but maybe taking the chance will make me a better user.. its only through problems we learn
• 3590[22:33:50] <ForceRecon> thanks
• 3591[22:34:11] <jhutchins_wk> ForceRecon: A good backup strategy is something you could work on in the mean time.
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• 3595[22:35:13] <Atm0spher1c> hello, so I've had a network install of stretch that keeps clearing the apt cache. I've waited to see if anything changes but it's the same. During apt update && apt upgrade, I see the deb packages in the cache, but they are removed after install.
• 3596[22:35:19] <Atm0spher1c> all i have is this changed on the machine
• 3597[22:35:23] <Atm0spher1c> replaced-url
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• 3599[22:36:09] <Atm0spher1c> it's a really minimal install, without recommends and suggests. Could I be missing a package that does the cacheing properly?
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• 3601[22:36:42] <Atm0spher1c> should I just ask debian-next about this?
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• 3608[22:38:30] <ForceRecon> jhutchins_wk: will do.. I will work on that properly..
• 3609[22:38:32] <ForceRecon> thanks
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• 3611[22:38:41] <MrTopless> How to create predictive server, I mean the one for storing machine learning data?
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• 3623[22:41:56] <jhutchins_wk> MrTopless: Beyond the scope of this channel I'm afraid?
• 3624[22:42:04] <ForceRecon> when you back up a debian machine if the application does not have an export feature for settings.. how do you know what to back up
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• 3626[22:42:41] <Lowl3v3l> MrTopless: depends entirely on the format of your data.
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• 3644[22:51:12] <jhutchins_wk> ForceRecon: Google "what to back up on linux". Most tools don't have pre-set scopes.
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• 3647[22:52:23] <jhutchins_wk> ForceRecon: Most people do at least /home and many do /etc - but it depends on what you use it for. A mail server is going to want to back up the mail spool, a web server whatever sites you've built.
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• 3649[22:52:51] <jhutchins_wk> ForceRecon: Most people don't bother to back up binaries because you can just install new ones.
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• 3654[22:54:32] <ForceRecon> I just use IRC and Tor Browsing, client.. no servers, not even mail..
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• 3657[22:54:53] <ForceRecon> worst case I do it again and figure it all out again.. good learning
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• 3659[22:57:11] <ForceRecon> I was more concerned with Quassel settings, the guys at freenode really took some time today to help me out and get me secured.. really good guys.. I was hoping to keep those settings in the event the upgrade went bad..
• 3660[22:57:32] <dontknow> how many maintainers in debian?
• 3661[22:57:32] <ForceRecon> I will back up the .config folder and this way I might be able to move it back over later.. maybe
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• 3683[23:05:00] <mns> how do I found out why my system rebooted ?
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• 3688[23:05:55] <duntwork> linux time is wrong by 6 minutes in advance, how do I fix this so it's always synchronized?
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• 3694[23:08:13] <mtn> mns: is your computer overheating? do you have enough ram?
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• 3696[23:08:31] <mtn> duntwork: use ntp, I think it is called
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• 3699[23:09:28] <ForceRecon> on topic: are there any applets in linux for debian that show current temps, usage in visual
• 3700[23:10:04] <mtn> ForceRecon: gkrellm does that and some des have their own applets that show temps
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• 3706[23:11:01] <ForceRecon> thanks checking it out now
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• 3709[23:11:11] <ForceRecon> refreshing applet cache
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• 3715[23:13:21] <ForceRecon> that does not show up in applets online.. is this something you install manually or call from terminal
• 3716[23:13:56] <mtn> ForceRecon: what exactly are you asking about?
• 3717[23:14:11] <ForceRecon> GKrellM
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• 3720[23:14:31] <mtn> ForceRecon: it is an app you can install. use your package manager to install it
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• 3726[23:16:07] <ForceRecon> got it thanks
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• 4007[23:42:00] <ForceRecon> Thanks again all and have a great night.. cya in the am
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• 4051[23:58:18] <RedMercury> is there a system message bus started on debian stretch, as opposed to just session message busses?
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