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3[00:00:38] <Anarchy7> Im a bit scared editing boot configuration, the code in cfg is like 400 lines and I have no idea what they are doing :(
4[00:00:44] <nicoz> good night all
5[00:00:59] <jelly> yeah that sounds like a grub-legacy config file alright
6[00:01:22] <jelly> it's not meant to be edited directly
7[00:02:00] <Anarchy7> yeah I also dont know what will happen if it gets replaced
8[00:02:16] <jelly> Anarchy7, go ahead and uninstall grub-efi-amd64-bin grub-efi-amd64-signed, first
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10[00:02:40] <Anarchy7> whats the uninstall command?
11[00:02:49] <jelly> apt remove ...
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16[00:03:50] <ryouma> n.b. i think this is a relevant page for the first cve of the list. looks like oldstable (stretch) or testing (bullseye) not have fix yet. replaced-url
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19[00:04:12] <Anarchy7> done
20[00:04:19] <Anarchy7> reboot?
21[00:04:24] <jelly> ryouma, testing has no security support to speak of
22[00:04:41] <jelly> Anarchy7, no, you haven't changed anything yet
23[00:04:43] <ryouma> ah right
24[00:04:51] <ryouma> oh, buyt it aalso says buster not fixed yet
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26[00:05:10] <jelly> Anarchy7, now try to "grub-install /dev/sda"
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28[00:05:28] <nicoz> ryouma, cI think they will solve it shortly
29[00:05:30] <ryouma> (so maybe p-age needs updating)
30[00:05:45] <jelly> ryouma, buster (security) 78.9.0esr-1~deb10u1 fixed
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32[00:05:57] <Anarchy7> -bash: grub-install: command not found
33[00:06:01] <nicoz> firefox-esr (78.8.0esr-1
34[00:06:12] <jelly> Anarchy7, are you root?
35[00:06:24] <jelly> Anarchy7, if you use su to become root, use "su -"
36[00:06:27] <jelly> !buster su
37[00:06:27] <dpkg> In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). See replaced-url
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39[00:06:39] <Anarchy7> adding sudo worked
40[00:07:13] <jelly> Anarchy7, also run "update-grub" for good measure
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44[00:08:20] <Anarchy7> done
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51[00:09:36] <jelly> Anarchy7, now you have grub2 on that disk. If you try to reboot you'll see if it works
52[00:09:47] <Anarchy7> ok
53[00:10:00] <jelly> and also it will default to booting the latest kernel from /boot
54[00:10:04] <ryouma> jelly: ah right thanks
55[00:10:22] <Anarchy7> rebooting now
56[00:10:36] <jelly> if it doesn't work, I'm off to sleep
57[00:10:43] <jelly> :-D
58[00:10:48] <Anarchy7> Model name: Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N2800 @ 1.86GHz thats my CPU so I have intel then I should install intel micro?
59[00:11:18] <jelly> Anarchy7, what does "dpkg --print-architecture" say?
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61[00:11:40] <jelly> I'm not sure whether N2800 is 64bit
62[00:11:48] <Anarchy7> uname -r
63[00:11:49] <Anarchy7> 3.14.32-xxxx-grs-ipv6-64
64[00:11:50] <Anarchy7> :(
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66[00:12:16] <Anarchy7> well when I run the grub-update it said found 3.14.32 along others
67[00:12:26] <Anarchy7> maybe takes the first one it found
68[00:12:39] <Anarchy7> but Im sleepy too and dont want to steal more of your time!
69[00:12:43] <jelly> it picks the one with the latest version
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71[00:13:17] <jelly> well you got userspace refreshed, the kernel and boot loader can be left for tomorrow
72[00:13:35] <jelly> or someone else can jump in
73[00:13:43] * jelly off
74[00:13:46] <Anarchy7> dpkg --print-architecture
75[00:13:46] <dpkg> hurd-i386
76[00:13:46] <Anarchy7> amd64
77[00:13:56] <jelly> that's 64bit, ok
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79[00:14:02] <Anarchy7> @jelly thanks a lot, you are right, see you tomorrow!
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82[00:16:43] <Anarchy7> !buster su
83[00:16:44] <dpkg> In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). See replaced-url
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146[01:24:41] <Jaami> my time did not match i guess anyway, i want to see the stuk ship
147[01:25:09] <Jaami> oh, wrong channel sorry
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198[02:22:56] <maxrazer> I'm getting tofu fonts and japanese characters even though I installed a bunch of noto packages.
199[02:24:47] <BoxxyUSee> Hi, I'm new to Linux and am trying to install Gentoo through mint.'Welcome to GNU Parted! Type 'help' to view a list of commands.'
200[02:24:48] <BoxxyUSee> (parted) mklabel gpt
201[02:24:48] <BoxxyUSee> (parted) unit mib
202[02:24:49] <BoxxyUSee> (parted) mkpart primary 1 3
203[02:24:49] <BoxxyUSee> (parted) name 1 grub
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208[02:27:11] <dvs> !gentoo
209[02:27:12] <dpkg> Gentoo Linux (formerly Enoch Linux) is a ports-based Linux distribution for x86, PowerPC and Sparc64. Maybe akin to BSD. For a satirical take on it see replaced-url
210[02:28:09] <cws> gentoo through mint in #debian
211[02:28:53] <sponix2ipfw> cws: seems more like a bot anyway. An answered them in ##linuxmint and they have yet to respond
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317[04:06:04] <alex11> i wonder if someone can help me with an audio issue on debian... i use pulseaudio and i have a pair of headphones that plug in to my computer jack (not usb), they don't seem to show up in pavucontrol, but when i play music, it seems to go through the headphones, but it's very quiet
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326[04:11:12] <busternube> xrandr --newmode "1360x768" 84.75 1360 1432 1568 1776 768 771 781 798 -Hsync +Vsync
327[04:11:13] <busternube> xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default
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329[04:12:08] <phogg> alex11: you could be hearing bleed over from the regular speakers
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331[04:13:01] <alex11> those are off phogg
332[04:14:08] <alex11> i just don't know where to troubleshoot if they don't show up in pavucontrol
333[04:14:14] <alex11> i haven't checked dmesg yet
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336[04:18:13] <craigevil> try running alsamixergui and make sure teh headphone volume is turned up
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358[04:42:25] <phogg> alex11: do you have both an external 3.5mm headphone and 3.5mm mic jack? If you have both and you plugged into the wrong one that can have this kind of effect.
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372[05:06:11] <busternube> So, issue set pager=1 command first in grub2 shell, then the output will behave like more.
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455[06:56:01] <dff> setcap 'cap_net_bind_service=+ep' /usr/sbin/grafana-server - how do i make that permanent?
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461[07:10:38] <ratrace> dff: not directly. it'll disappear when the grafana-server binary updates/reinstalls. so you'll have to re-cap. BUT ... why not give the cap to the whole service by systemd unit?
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465[07:15:04] <dff> ratrace: each time grafana exits and starts the setting is lost
466[07:15:30] <dff> ratrace: i'll check how to do that, thank you for your suggestion.
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473[07:24:51] <ratrace> dff: eh? fcaps are written into the file's xattrs. is something literally updating or erasing that when grafana starts?
474[07:26:07] <ratrace> dff: to give the cap to the whole service via systemd service unit, add these: AmbientCapabilities=CAP_NET_BIND_SERVICE and CapabilityBoundingSet=CAP_NET_BIND_SERVICE to the unit. you can use drop-in snippets with systemctl edit
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476[07:27:35] <dff> thank you kindly!
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478[07:30:21] <ratrace> dff: btw, the CapabilityBoundingSet might not even be needed at all, Ambient should be enough.
479[07:30:51] <dff> TIL systemctl edit
480[07:31:23] <mrjpaxton[m]> Hey, I'm getting an issue with installing Debian with encryption on my laptop. When I run `update-initramfs -c -k all` in my chroot environment I am getting an error that says "cryptsetup: WARNING: Couldn't determine root device" and "The initramfs image may not contain cryptsetup binaries", even though I need them. Any help?
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496[07:46:42] <ratrace> mrjpaxton[m]: do you have cryptsetup-initramfs package installed?
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498[07:47:18] <ratrace> mrjpaxton[m]: also, what filesystem is that, and how exactly are you installing? the installer should've set all that up and pulled in required packages.
499[07:49:18] <mrjpaxton[m]> It's installed in the chroot if that's what you mean. I'm doing all that from the live environment. I'm trying to do it all on btrfs. But I wanted to set it up as subvolumes later using directories like "@", "@home", "@snapshots", etc... Turns out after updating /etc/fstab, GRUB and trying to update initramfs again, I'm stuck here at this point....
500[07:50:35] <mrjpaxton[m]> Just to clarify more, the /boot directory is separate and unencrypted, but also mounted in the chroot, along with the usual `mount --bind` directories, and the entire btrfs partition is the encrypted root fs.
501[07:51:23] <mrjpaxton[m]> Funny thing is last time I tried this on the PC, I somehow got it to work. And now this time I am really stuck. Lol.
502[07:52:15] <ratrace> mrjpaxton[m]: okay, first thing, is your chroot-mounted LUKS mapper name identical to the one you've put into crypttab?
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504[07:54:54] <mrjpaxton[m]> Not at first, I had to rename it. But maybe it's not "probed" correctly. I can try rebooting it and make sure to use cryptsetup with the right name the first time...
505[07:56:06] <ratrace> mrjpaxton[m]: it has to be the same or else initramfs/grub automation won't figure out the paths to root
506[07:56:21] <mrjpaxton[m]> Or I could just unmount everything, close it, and try again. Though `partprobe` is always telling me I need to reboot anyway. IDK what that's about...
507[07:56:30] <ratrace> mrjpaxton[m]: don't forget to install btrfs-progs into the chroot too!
508[07:57:01] <mrjpaxton[m]> It is already installed, looks like.
509[07:57:02] <ratrace> mrjpaxton[m]: yes you have to close it and open under whatever name you want, but it has to be the same name you put into crypttab
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511[07:57:59] <ratrace> eg... cryptsetup luksOpen ... sda_crypt ; echo "sda_crypt UUID=..... none luks" > /mnt/<...>/etc/crypttab
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514[07:59:21] <mrjpaxton[m]> Okay, I'm rebooting, so I'll try it again.
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520[08:03:09] <ratrace> mrjpaxton[m]: eh wait... rebooting for what? you can close and reopen LUKS containers, no need to reboot
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525[08:04:19] <TheBigK02> ratrace: windows users... :D
526[08:04:35] <mrjpaxton[m]> Darn, it's still not working though.
527[08:06:49] <ratrace> mrjpaxton[m]: define "not working"
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530[08:08:01] <mrjpaxton[m]> The "cryptsetup: WARNING:" messages are still there. I'm very sure next boot it's just going to drop me into an initramfs terminal without cryptsetup binaries to unlock the system.
531[08:08:10] <mrjpaxton[m]> I really don't know how to fix this...
532[08:08:35] <ratrace> mrjpaxton[m]: what messages _exactly_, please pastebin
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535[08:11:08] <mrjpaxton[m]> ratrace: replaced-url
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541[08:15:39] <TheBigK02> mrjpaxton[m]: i think pastebinning ur crypttab and fstab would be good. atleast im stuck understanding as well :)
542[08:16:08] <TheBigK02> also mount would be good i thinik
543[08:16:49] <ratrace> mrjpaxton[m]: you're still missing cryptsetup-initramfs package in the chroot
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545[08:16:58] <TheBigK02> mrjpaxton[m]: also that warning... u can either unpack ur initrd to check if the binaries are there or try and error :)
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547[08:18:21] <ratrace> mrjpaxton[m]: and yeah, to see your whole situation now, please pastebin the fstab, /etc/mtab and crypttab from your chroot. when you chrooted, you did bind-mount the dependencies (dev, proc, sys), right?
548[08:20:26] <mrjpaxton[m]> So someone said to edit `/etc/cryptsetup-initramfs/conf-hook` and include "CRYPTSETUP=y" so I did that, and it at least got rid of the warning about it not containing the cryptsetup binary, but it still can't determine the root device for some reason. I'm going to reboot into the OS, see what happens. If I get dropped to an initramfs busybox shell, hopefully I can manually try to `cryptsetup luksOpen` it, continue to
549[08:20:26] <mrjpaxton[m]> boot and fix whatever the heck is going on.
550[08:20:55] <ratrace> mrjpaxton[m]: STOP
551[08:21:01] <ratrace> you don't need to reboot
552[08:21:33] <ratrace> that conf-hook is not required, it's forcing something instead of autodetection. install cryptsetup-initramfs in the chroot
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554[08:22:19] <ratrace> you need to mention your rootfs in /etc/fstab so that grub automation can find the path to rootfs in conjunction with crypttab
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558[08:30:35] <mrjpaxton[m]> Hmm, doesn't look like there's a way to continue booting from initramfs. I thought there was.
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572[08:33:07] <mrjpaxton[m]> On the other hand it says: "Gave up waiting for root file system device." And that "/dev/mapper/nvme0n1p3_crypt" does not exist.
573[08:33:07] <ratrace> mrjpaxton[m]: seriously.... if you need help, you need to STOP and listen
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577[08:34:11] <ratrace> mrjpaxton[m]: I install all my machines with chroot/debootstrap, rootfs on btrfs or zfs on luks. it's not difficult once you get the hang of it.
578[08:34:59] <ratrace> the prerequisites are simple: propely mounted chroot with dependencies, crypttab name == luks mapper name you used in preparation of chroot, install cryptsetup, cryptsetup-initramfs, filesystem utils (btrfs-progs in this case), setup fstab
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580[08:35:33] <ratrace> (and the usual debootstrap boilerplate: root password, locale, ssh+keys for remote access, dropbear for initramfs unlocking, but that one is a tiny bit more involved than just installing)
581[08:35:43] <mrjpaxton[m]> Yep. I did most of that. I'm just not seeing where the problem lies yet.
582[08:36:16] <ratrace> mrjpaxton[m]: so pastebin the stuff we asked. fstab, mtab, crypttab; check that cryptsetup-initramfs IS installed in teh chroot, as well as btrfs-progs
583[08:36:57] <ratrace> the trio of files are from inside the chroot, especially mtab, it needs to be the view _after_ you chroot (it's a symlink to procfs, thus the view from inside it)
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589[08:46:33] <alex11> phogg, sorry for the late reply - i seem to only have one 3.5 jack... i guess i need to buy a splitter, then?
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680[10:36:20] <supa5000> Dear all, could somebody confirm that i should see ebtables -t broute DROP:d packages at iptables (i have log at filter input, output,forward and nat preroute) ?
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690[10:49:10] <gry> supa5000: hi
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692[10:49:22] <gry> supa5000: if not here, #netfilter may know
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695[10:51:35] <supa5000> Ty gry, i will try!
696[10:52:03] <SymbioticFemale> i just submitted an email to the debian-project@lists.debian.org ; i don't use mailing lists. can anyone confirm if it was received?
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706[11:06:09] <jelly> SymbioticFemale, it's going to appear at replaced-url
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708[11:06:49] <SymbioticFemale> i notice that the updates are already like 120 minutes behind schedule
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711[11:07:30] <jelly> yeah, sometimes an update pass or five get skipped
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717[11:15:52] <hegemoOn> is there an official kernel without /dev/mem 1mb limitation ?
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720[11:16:41] <hegemoOn> on server usage, communicating with on board system/bios limiting /dev/mem to 1mb is quite painfull
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723[11:17:15] <jelly> hegemoOn, typically you write a driver for such purposes
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733[11:22:20] <jhutchins> 3,6,9
734[11:22:30] <themill> 12
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738[11:23:13] <jhutchins> 21,27,29
739[11:23:39] <jhutchins> er,30
740[11:23:44] <hegemoOn> 24 ?
741[11:24:19] <jim> threebies?
742[11:24:42] <jhutchins> Three is a magic number
743[11:27:00] <jhutchins> replaced-url
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766[11:44:49] <zathras> I think the answer is no, but Q anyway: does APT register where a package is installed from? ie: Can I purge all packages installed from repo X?
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774[11:48:41] <themill> zathras: no, it only knows where a package is *currently* available from. (which is why package versions contain makers like 'bpo', 'dmo', 'themillports' in them
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830[12:55:28] <ksk> tlgl^nix: please deactivate your away-message, we do not like that in here.
831[12:55:50] <SymbioticFemale> ksk: stop being racist against away messages
832[12:56:24] <SymbioticFemale> jelly: my message never made it into the mailinglist
833[12:56:54] <SymbioticFemale> jelly: my message was to mention that the .onions provided from the debian project are version 2 and will be quickly depreciated
834[12:57:16] <SymbioticFemale> jelly: debian project needs to provide v3 .onions for its onion services quickly
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838[12:58:45] <shtrb> debian have .onion sources ?
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841[12:59:06] <SymbioticFemale> replaced-url
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849[13:07:34] <abrotman> October 2021 is quickly?
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853[13:08:25] <SymbioticFemale> for system admins? YES
854[13:09:13] <abrotman> Even Windows Admins can patch things more frequently than that ...
855[13:09:37] <shtrb> Excuse me ?!
856[13:09:39] <ratrace> maybe if they admin _one_ machine ...
857[13:10:02] <ratrace> not sure about _this_ particular change, but in enterprise and other big server farms changes come at glacial paces
858[13:10:47] <ratrace> took us almost two years to migrate a rather small (few dozen servers) farm from freebsd to debian. service by service, config by config, test by test..
859[13:10:53] <abrotman> Can't imagine they'd be using Onion sources to begin with ..
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861[13:11:10] <abrotman> (large farms or large enterprises)
862[13:11:12] <ratrace> JustSayin(tm) .... October 2021 will come fast
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864[13:11:42] <abrotman> you'll just use your fancy Ansible or Puppet or cfengine .. Voila!
865[13:11:55] <SymbioticFemale> abrotman: you could say the same about anything that isn't in base. "can't imagine they'd be using x to begin with .."
866[13:12:09] <abrotman> Anyway, I'm sure the person who admins that page is well aware
867[13:12:15] <ratrace> abrotman: yes but testing takes time. edge cases need time to crystalize
868[13:13:30] <jelly> we use ansible from not-debian :-\
869[13:13:40] <shtrb> lol
870[13:13:50] <wsky> screwity
871[13:14:00] <abrotman> You could also try filing a bug on apt-transport-tor ?
872[13:14:36] <jelly> mostly because ansible ecosystem is crap, need one version to get module X working, newer version to get Y and everything else working, and yet another for Z
873[13:14:47] <ratrace> yes. use SaltStack. thank me later.
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875[13:15:10] <wsky> i can get vengefull
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877[13:15:27] <jelly> vengeful is a good name for a project!
878[13:15:32] <ratrace> "My coworkers asked me if I started using Maybelline, my skin was smooth and youthful. I said no, I ditched Ansible for SaltStack. Maybe it's Saltstack. Maybe it's Maybelline."
879[13:15:42] <wsky> the project will not go off
880[13:15:48] * wsky knocks himself out
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882[13:16:19] * petn-randall raises eyebrow.
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884[13:16:33] <jelly> just remove a vocal to make it uniq and googlable. "vengful" or even "vengfull"
885[13:16:48] <ratrace> vengflr.io
886[13:16:52] <abrotman> I think you now need a "ly" at the end
887[13:16:59] <jelly> .io is the new .ly
888[13:17:04] <ratrace> mmh-hmm
889[13:17:04] <abrotman> etsyly ..
890[13:17:12] * jelly registers io.ly
891[13:17:14] <petn-randall> Yeah, it was the "r" at the end, now it's "ly".
892[13:17:18] <SymbioticFemale> abrotman: do me a favor and submit a bug. v3 has been out for 3 years now and still no v3 service. my email address is spam filtered from the mailinglist
893[13:17:31] <jelly> oh no, petn-randall is awake
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896[13:17:54] <abrotman> SymbioticFemale: Why am I filing a bug for you?
897[13:17:54] <jelly> petn-randall, of course I LIED about not using debian ansible packaging. Just to see if you'd notice.
898[13:17:59] <flrnd> Vengefy if you want to attract hipsters :P
899[13:18:16] <jelly> abrotman, you're nice that way
900[13:18:27] <petn-randall> jelly: I have an alarm that will wake me if people talk shit about ansible in here.
901[13:18:31] <SymbioticFemale> abrotman: ok don't then but know that i consider a bug filed once i submit it in the #<project-irc>
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904[13:18:53] <abrotman> SymbioticFemale: That's your problem, good luck
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906[13:20:14] <jelly> but yeah, more crap about rms got through the mailing list archive, and your message has not
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908[13:20:50] <SymbioticFemale> jelly: i noted that
909[13:21:21] <abrotman> tlgl^nix: Please turn that off. Thanks
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940[13:59:56] <cmtptr> just here to say: new website design is bad
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942[14:02:24] <ratrace> thanks, forwarded to /dev/null .
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944[14:05:47] <flrnd> that's some constructive feedback
945[14:05:51] <EdePopede> successful delivery replaced-url
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947[14:06:13] <EdePopede> "bad" is the same class as "doesn't work"
948[14:07:05] <EdePopede> did something change or is it the same design i'm seeing for weeks if not month now?
949[14:07:14] <cmtptr> it's the design you're seeing for months now
950[14:07:24] <ratrace> EdePopede: yeh, but it changed few months ago
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952[14:07:27] <cmtptr> there used to be useful information on the landing page. now i have to go dig for it
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954[14:07:35] <ratrace> got "responsive"
955[14:07:36] <NetTerminalGene> pulseaudio starts to eat cpu %5 after launching firefox until i restart the pulseaudio service. is this related to this issue? "rtkit-daemon[839]: Supervising 3 threads of 1 processes of 1 users."
956[14:07:50] <NetTerminalGene> i looked at it with journalctl -f
957[14:07:56] <EdePopede> "responsive" and script blockers don't go well together sometimes ;)
958[14:07:57] <flrnd> well, I am a Design teacher, the new visual design is not pretty, but it's not bad
959[14:08:11] <ratrace> EdePopede: 2021 and script blockers don't either :)
960[14:08:25] <cmtptr> i don't care about pretty, it's less useful
961[14:08:53] <flrnd> there is no bad design. They want to achieve a different goal with their landing
962[14:09:29] <EdePopede> ratrace: i just had to kill a tab process which took control even with noscript enabled (1st time on the site) and everything i get set to "don't trust" instead of the default "Default"
963[14:09:35] <ratrace> there are no mistakes, just little happy accidents.
964[14:09:44] <cmtptr> if their different goal is to hide information, then mission accomplished
965[14:09:57] <EdePopede> then there should be at least some happy clouds in the background
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969[14:11:03] <EdePopede> Please note that the point release does not constitute a new version of Debian 10 but only updates some of the packages included. There is no need to throw away old "buster" media. After installation, packages can be upgraded to the
970[14:11:27] <EdePopede> if i maximize the window i get all this text into a single line. 230 chars. really not very nice.
971[14:11:38] <ratrace> EdePopede: do you also block webgl/webasm? I have those disabled via about:config and otherwise I don't use script blockers. 0 problems so far and FF is 24/7 on and used
972[14:12:14] <EdePopede> ratrace: do i even have webgl on this old cheap nvidia? not even sure about this.
973[14:12:37] <ratrace> Firefox has that enabled by default and it's not gpu specific
974[14:12:43] <EdePopede> ah
975[14:13:09] <ratrace> EdePopede: does this work, even if slow? replaced-url
976[14:13:53] <EdePopede> not w/o JavaScript ;)
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978[14:14:17] <EdePopede> yep, animates.
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983[14:16:07] <EdePopede> 25-30 CPU% in htop, with the newtab instead around 1% max.
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990[14:19:26] <cmtptr> ty for your time
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993[14:20:48] <flrnd> I should've shared with him the salsa repo with the website source code
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1019[14:52:40] <TheBigK02> hegemoOn: its quite some time ago i did some stuff with dell but as far as i can tell there were ubuntu packages for open manage... those are usually compatible with debian...
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1022[14:53:24] <hegemoOn> this is what google confirms
1023[14:53:28] <hegemoOn> i will play with it
1024[14:53:44] <hegemoOn> but indeed it's not anymore my priority from updated context :)
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1034[14:59:09] <TheBigK02> is there an easy way to find out if a package has no mirror behind it? in the past i had trouble sometimes when packages were renamed for some reason and so i got no updates anymore. or when packages (like mongodb) were removed from debians repositories
1035[15:00:24] <TheBigK02> i know apt-cache policy ... but that would need quite some scripting to find out which packages have just a local reference
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1039[15:02:46] <ratrace> TheBigK02: what do you mean by "mirror behind it"?
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1041[15:03:26] <ratrace> package renames, ie one name discontinued in favor of another happens on major release upgrades, and there's usually a transitional package, old name that pulls in the new one
1042[15:03:38] <TheBigK02> ratrace: i mean packages that are installed but have only /var/lib/dpkg/status as a policy... and no mirror behind it
1043[15:03:50] <ratrace> it's very unlikely you'd stop receiving updates unless you completely ignored the transition for few major releases
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1045[15:04:19] <TheBigK02> ratrace: if theres no replacement (like for mongodb) ... theres no hope to find out
1046[15:04:28] <ratrace> TheBigK02: oh. you mean a package not available in any sources.list repo
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1048[15:04:37] <TheBigK02> ratrace: yes :)
1049[15:04:47] <TheBigK02> ratrace: sorry for my weird way of describing things
1050[15:05:40] <ratrace> well the same thing applies. you must've installed a package from somewhere. official repos behave (unless there's exceptions which I doubt) as I described. others, who knows and apt doesn't track that afaik
1051[15:06:24] <ratrace> it can only track packages from configured sources. so if you had foobar-1.0 installed from repo X, but there's foobar-1.1 in regular debian now, it _should_ update based on this criteria alone
1052[15:06:28] <ratrace> *upgrade
1053[15:07:02] <TheBigK02> yes ofc i have installed it from a debian repo. but when its removed from debian... how should i find out about it its discontinued
1054[15:07:14] <ratrace> so, no there's no mechanism for apt to inform you "oh, hey, this package is no longer tracked"
1055[15:07:23] <ratrace> TheBigK02: read release notes.
1056[15:07:43] <TheBigK02> ratrace: i do... but when i want to check the system anyways? for packages that are in that status?
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1058[15:08:09] <ratrace> packages don't disappear without: release notes marking removal; transitional packages to new names; upgrades of packages with version encoded in the name but those occur on major release boundaries and there's release notes
1059[15:08:20] <ratrace> (and proper dependencies via meta packages in most if not all cases)
1060[15:09:08] <TheBigK02> another example was docker... thats not from a debian mirror... but they did also rename there docker packages to ce (community edition)
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1062[15:09:25] <TheBigK02> and therefore we had quite some time without docker updates... which is kinda bad in itself :p
1063[15:09:56] <TheBigK02> so theres no way except apt-cache policy and then doing some bash magic...
1064[15:09:59] <ratrace> afaik there's no way to know a package "disappeared" unless somethign actively tries to remove it (eg. new version that conflicts with the old versions so old is removed with new installed, on upgrade)
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1066[15:10:20] <TheBigK02> ratrace: oki. thanks... then bash magic it is :)
1067[15:10:21] <ratrace> TheBigK02: maybe higher level toos like aptitude and friends can do that.
1068[15:10:25] <ratrace> *tools
1069[15:10:52] <TheBigK02> ratrace: thanks :)
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1084[15:25:26] <Posterdati> hi
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1086[15:26:09] <Posterdati> please I need help to setup a boot environment for an Indigo2 on a debian 10 machine: I installed tftpd-hpa on the debian machine
1087[15:26:26] <Posterdati> but still can't get the client to boot
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1090[15:27:00] <Posterdati> I placed all the irix stuffs under /srv/tftp/irix
1091[15:27:26] <Posterdati> configured tftp-hpa to use /srv/tftp directory
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1093[15:27:48] <Posterdati> I can get files from the tftp server with other linux machines
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1110[15:46:16] <Posterdati> :(
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1112[15:47:48] <TheBigK02> Posterdati: im using dnsmasq for that task... was quite easy... what exactly is the problem regarding this?
1113[15:48:41] <Posterdati> the client (indigo2) seems to connect but cannot download files
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1116[15:50:09] <TheBigK02> hmm... i doubt its related to the tftp service tho... tftp didnt change in... forever? :)
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1119[15:54:01] <busternoob2> i originally downloaded and installed the oem drivers from their site but labeled for ubuntu
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1124[15:57:47] <busternoob2> xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default
1125[15:59:56] <busternoob2> RS780L weak onboard video radeon "3000" series model
1126[16:00:43] <busternoob2> gives me good non wide video from default and "vesa" drivers
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1128[16:02:16] <busternoob2> cant get it into widescreen my 720p tv is very picky wants 1360x768 and i think the driver may not be allowing that mode
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1130[16:04:14] <busternoob2> see pastebins from busternube
1131[16:05:13] <busternoob2> i feel the gpu didnt config correctly on install due to the kvm switch bonehead mistake
1132[16:05:29] <flrnd> busternoob2: how is it going the KVM adventure?
1133[16:05:39] <flrnd> any progress?
1134[16:07:30] <busternoob2> umm in the beginning booting without going thru kvm was blank but it seems using a square monito gets me booted in at 1280 x1024
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1136[16:08:17] <busternoob2> i'll post the xorg confs sec
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1138[16:09:24] <busternube> pastebin.com/iCDWfTQE
1139[16:09:35] <busternube> Xorg confs
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1143[16:10:07] <busternoob2> pardon my 2headedness
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1146[16:13:17] <busternoob2> so its true its an old kvm and its true a cheapo gpu and true its lame monitor according to its manual claims it doesnt even do pc
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1151[16:17:41] <busternoob2> wondered is installing this Radeon X600 is any upgrade at considering linux not so hot with these radeons but this is a card and not onboard and if i connect direct this time maybe x will get the info this time buts kinda lame that this os doesnt have a better fallback default with more modes to experiment with OOB
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1153[16:19:38] <busternoob2> it seems unlikely the card doesnt do 1360x768 i'm sure uncle bill microsoft can make this card do that size.
1154[16:21:26] <busternoob2> i'm feeling screwed over by the execs at debians org the lead tech in charge of noobie reliabilty is smoking the bong or something
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1156[16:22:49] <busternoob2> so if i make edits to the Xorg conf i'm gonna get locked out of my computer and have to eraSE IT ANDS REINSTALL RIGHT?
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1158[16:23:44] <busternoob2> I SEEN SIGNS THE VIDEO MODE changes dont wait for acceptance and dont autorevert without is that true?
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1160[16:24:04] <busternoob2> so im afraid to edit the xorg conf
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1162[16:24:24] <busternoob2> whats the fallback ifi get locked out
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1164[16:25:46] <busternoob2> also i use encypted volume in the install
1165[16:26:07] <busternoob2> have to unlok that on boot everyttime
1166[16:26:27] <ratrace> busternoob2: systemd.unit=multi-user.target in kernel command line (grub options), so you boot into text mode and can fix broken xorg.conf
1167[16:26:46] <busternoob2> alo boot error ACPI whines something about "AE***" AE something
1168[16:26:53] <busternoob2> also*
1169[16:27:15] <busternoob2> first thing every boot
1170[16:28:03] <busternoob2> going to pop in the X600 card see what happens.
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1182[16:45:15] <oxek> is debian ready? replaced-url
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1192[16:47:54] <busternoob2> i booted the X600 card the monitor sees it fint but just black screen after grub. so i CTL+ALT+F1 but dont know what to do. i can login to the text shell
1193[16:48:39] <busternoob2> ratrace thx i;ll try that
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1197[16:49:24] <busternoob2> going to try those kernel mode switch again with this card
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1201[16:52:01] <ratrace> oxek: probably is. openssl coordinates with distros with a pre-set date
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1207[16:56:50] <ratrace> !dsa lookup 4875-1
1208[16:56:50] <dpkg> Information about the Debian Security Announcement 4875-1 may be found at replaced-url
1209[16:57:14] <ratrace> oxek: there you go
1210[16:57:34] <ratrace> !dsa lookup dsa-4875-1
1211[16:57:35] <dpkg> Information about the Debian Security Announcement dsa-4875-1 may be found at replaced-url
1212[16:57:47] <ratrace> oh ffs
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1216[16:58:33] <ratrace> it's not published in the tracker it seem, but DSAs were sent by mail already
1217[17:01:29] <oxek> I don't think dpkg validates the lookup
1218[17:01:38] <oxek> !dsa lookup 8008-1
1219[17:01:39] <dpkg> Information about the Debian Security Announcement 8008-1 may be found at replaced-url
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1221[17:02:24] <oxek> !dsa lookup dpkg-is-sometimes-an-annoying-bot
1222[17:02:24] <dpkg> Information about the Debian Security Announcement dpkg-is-sometimes-an-annoying-bot may be found at replaced-url
1223[17:02:41] <ratrace> it doesn't, just dump URL substitution
1224[17:02:56] <ratrace> but I checked the link and it's 404, that's the "ffs" for
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1252[17:40:15] <ychaouche> yo #debian
1253[17:40:19] <ychaouche> <hdparm> default desktop for solaris 10
1254[17:40:31] <ychaouche> oh he's not here
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1261[17:47:29] <busternoob2> pny120ssd
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1268[17:52:00] <rgr> argh. help. I have two debian installed laptops. bother share same dot files in home directory (via symlinks). Both boot into a tty login where .bash_profile does its job including setting pyenv to set python version and source .profile to set path. I manually startx. just an xsession with i3wm. Now heres the issue : on one machine when I think start up terminator which defaults to zsh zsh has inherited the path from the
1269[17:52:00] <rgr> startx init but on the other it hasnt. What could cause this? Some system setting? I'm loath to resource .prfile in .zshenv as this then results in a double path on one of the laptops.
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1271[17:52:46] <greycat> why are you using .bash_profile if you use zsh
1272[17:53:32] <rgr> sorry, I missed that in my discourse - I log into the tty in bash. I only use zsh on my desktop terminator/tmux instances.
1273[17:53:39] <greycat> ...
1274[17:53:43] <greycat> I can't even
1275[17:54:12] <rgr> You cant even what?
1276[17:54:22] <greycat> *plonk*
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1279[17:55:22] <rgr> You've lost me.
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1285[18:01:00] <imMute> greycat: I think they mean that their shell is set to bash in /etc/passwd, but Terminator doesn't use that and start zsh instead
1286[18:01:26] <jelly> rgr, find and fix the settings for this "Terminator" thing?
1287[18:01:34] <greycat> Well that's idiotic. Is what my statements meant.
1288[18:01:37] <jelly> so that it runs the usual login shell
1289[18:01:53] <greycat> Or change your shell to zsh if that's what you want to use.
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1291[18:02:42] <rgr> Thats exactky what I mean. But in fairness greycat goe sout of his way to be rude and arrogant in every group he inhabits. *plonk*. Ive had this setup for years. Logging into bash tty and using zsh elswhere isnt weird or strange,
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1296[18:07:40] <jelly> it's weird and strange AND greycat is rude. both.gif
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1298[18:08:50] <ratrace> porque no los dos meme strikes again!
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1302[18:11:25] <flrnd> zsh uses .zprofile instead of .profile, kind of weird setup
1303[18:11:30] <jelly> I've had /usr/local/bin/zsh, /usr/bin/zsh or /bin/zsh as login shell since like 1995, running chsh is not rocket science. There have been... certain hosts where my .cshrc or .profile would exec zsh -l in certain circumstances, but those days are gone
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1305[18:12:00] <flrnd> I'm a zsh user since... don't remember
1306[18:12:24] <ratrace> I don't use zsh. But when I do ...... nah, I don't really :)
1307[18:12:47] <c-moi> Hello here, I'm trying to compile a kernel module. The Makefile is looking for linux headers in /lib/modules/4.19.0-14-amd64/build which seems correct (provided by linux-headers-4.19.0-14-amd64). But the build/ aims to /usr/src/linux-headers-4.19.0-14-amd64, it should aim to /usr/src/linux-headers-4.19.0-14-common where my headers are (linux/init.h and so one)
1308[18:13:03] <jelly> the window of opportunity is lost, bash gained all the useful features in the meantime
1309[18:13:38] <c-moi> Can anyone explain why the build link's target seems wrong ? /usr/src/linux-headers-4.19.0-14-common is provided by the linux-headers-4.19.0-14-common package...
1310[18:14:24] <jelly> c-moi, it shouldn't point to -common, no
1311[18:14:29] <jelly> this is okay
1312[18:14:59] <jelly> linux-headers-4.19.0-14-amd64 is supposed to use bits of common that are there
1313[18:15:00] <c-moi> ok, but the compilation fails because it's looking for the linux/init.h header which is in common
1314[18:15:57] <c-moi> I see, but I don't understand how the -amd64 provides the linux/init.h and other "common" headers
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1316[18:16:54] <imMute> c-moi: doesnt it depend on the -common package?
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1318[18:17:10] <jelly> source symlink in /lib/modules/$(uname -r) seems to point to -common, here, not build
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1320[18:17:26] <jelly> I have no idea how it works, but dkms sources manage to build properly
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1323[18:18:25] <HelloShitty> Hello. I changed a setting in ~/.gnupg/gpg-agent.conf. How do I restart it to load the new settings?
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1532[18:20:20] <c-moi> indeed the /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/source points to the -common here to, perhaps the Makefile shouldn't look at the /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build link ?
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1600[18:20:58] <c-moi> I'll look at the DKMS documentation, I think I'm missing a point in the kernel module compilation process...
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1646[18:22:03] <taman> HelloShitty, try 'gpgconf --reload gpg-agent'
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1662[18:23:02] <HelloShitty> taman: ok, will try
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1683[18:24:30] <HelloShitty> taman: didn't work
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1686[18:24:39] <HelloShitty> it says "Component not found"
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1690[18:24:59] <HelloShitty> nevermind
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1692[18:25:04] <HelloShitty> I made a typo
1693[18:25:11] <HelloShitty> it worked
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1698[18:25:20] <HelloShitty> now, I'll see if the settings took effect
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1721[18:32:37] <a|3x> debian 9 supposedly has lts, however, when i scan my debian:9 based docker image i get a whole list of cves, i tried apt upgrade but most of them are still there, even one from 2017, any ideas?
1722[18:33:15] <cws> a|3x: most likely your scanner is only checking version numbers, which is not a reliable method on a distro where security fixes are backported.
1723[18:33:49] <a|3x> hm ok
1724[18:33:51] <cws> Best to check those CVEs against replaced-url
1725[18:34:16] <a|3x> i did check-support-status but i only get binutils
1726[18:35:02] <ratrace> a|3x: there will always be some vulnerable packages, not all CVEs are critical and they're fixed at different paces. also, LTS is best effort and no guarantees. especially no "no CVEs" guarantees.
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1728[18:35:46] <jelly> a|3x, do you have an example CVE? Scan how, precisely?
1729[18:36:04] <a|3x> replaced-url
1730[18:36:39] <jelly> a|3x, that one is deliberately ignored as minor issue, says at the bottom
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1732[18:37:04] <jelly> so someone has noticed it, analyzed it, and decided it's not worth fixing
1733[18:37:04] <a|3x> hm my scanner marks it as critical
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1736[18:37:58] <a|3x> replaced-url
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1738[18:38:26] <a|3x> i hope i don't get hacked..
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1740[18:38:35] <ratrace> huh indeed, CVSS3 gives it 9.8. that's ..... high. I wonder why it's considered minor issue in debian
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1742[18:39:17] <a|3x> replaced-url
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1746[18:40:29] <petn-randall> a|3x: Are you reading the links you're giving us? It says it's fixed in all releases, and stretch is not affected.
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1748[18:40:50] <petn-randall> For CVE-2019-12900 that is.
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3408[19:33:17] <FingerlessGloves> /lib/udev/rules.d/99-serial-storage-names.rules -> replaced-url
3409[19:33:21] <FingerlessGloves> that should be ok to do right?
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3465[20:03:48] <ratrace> FingerlessGloves: I'd love to take a look but you're using some asinine pastebin that requires webasm
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3471[20:06:38] <trysten_> hah!
3472[20:07:01] <cws> FingerlessGloves: replaced-url
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3483[20:13:20] <FingerlessGloves> ratrace replaced-url
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3485[20:13:34] <FingerlessGloves> Sorry for being too secure ;-)
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3489[20:14:16] <cws> you're posting something on the internet and providing a link to 800 people. "secure" isn't a thing.
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3491[20:15:52] <FingerlessGloves> cws, haha well it usually used for private pastes, but why would I want to run two pastes bins.
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3493[20:16:25] <FingerlessGloves> First time I've ever had someone complain about webasm ;-)
3494[20:16:51] <greycat> Won't be the last.
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3496[20:17:31] <FingerlessGloves> Nope properly not, it is what it is
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3500[20:18:16] <greycat> Any time you use a paste site that creates an additional *burden* for the reader, you lose potential helpers. If your pastebin requires Javascript, or Webasm, or registration, or doesn't have a raw form, or contains ads when not viewing the raw form, people are going to be more likely to skip it.
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3508[20:21:50] <FingerlessGloves> The internet is full of sites that require JavaScript, so if you've not got it enabled, then most of the internet will not work... but anyway lets not talk about this there no point
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3510[20:22:26] <greycat> There is a point, because clearly some people are still trying to use ridiculous paste sites.
3511[20:22:59] <FingerlessGloves> clearly some people just need to accept the web for what is now and not what it was.
3512[20:23:16] <FingerlessGloves> I get the whole encryption point, that makes perfect sense.
3513[20:23:27] <greycat> Every potential helper is going to have their own private set of limits. Your chosen paste site may be acceptable to some people, and not acceptable to others. I'm laying out all of the bullshit that people have used in the past, so you can know what to avoid.
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3515[20:23:43] <FingerlessGloves> That's fair
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3518[20:25:55] <greycat> paste.debian.net is one that we commonly suggest; it can be used without needing JS or Webasm or any kind of registration, and you can access the raw form by inserting "plain/" in the middle of the URL.
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3520[20:27:14] <FingerlessGloves> brb gonna test this new udev rules
3521[20:27:16] <greycat> (or by replacing "hidden/" with "plainh/" or "hplain/" -- I forget which -- but it's only 2 things to try)
3522[20:27:18] <FingerlessGloves> need to reboot.
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3603[21:27:20] <cub3s_> this is sad... replaced-url
3604[21:27:26] <cub3s_> why doesn't a firefox addon require an additional "phone home" permission to be able to do that in the first place?
3605[21:27:44] <cub3s_> anyway, is there any good and secure way for debian users to browse the web with an ad blocker?
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3620[21:38:33] <abff> mozilla is a quickly deteriorating rotten corpse
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3624[21:41:56] <cub3s_> abff, any plans to incorporate brave into official debian? at least brave ships with its own ad blocker, but ont he downside they spam me with some crypto tokens that i have no interest in
3625[21:42:10] <abff> I hope not
3626[21:42:12] <ratrace> cub3s_: define "good and secure", but, believe it or not, firefox is among the most privacy minded browsers
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3628[21:42:24] <sney> #864795
3629[21:42:33] <sney> aw, no bot.
3630[21:42:45] <flrnd> brave has it's own repository
3631[21:42:56] <sney> both icecat and brave-browser are stuck in wnpp-land for integration with debian.
3632[21:43:03] <cub3s_> ratrace, well i was hoping they would not allow addons to simply "phone home" by default in the first place. take ghostery. supposedly they can just connect to "whatever.ghostery.com" to "phone home" even if there is no specific permission given to do this.
3633[21:43:05] <ratrace> brave "the crypto URL hypocrisy browser"? that one?
3634[21:43:12] <flrnd> that one
3635[21:43:24] <abff> brave is garbage
3636[21:43:37] <ratrace> brave is a lie
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3638[21:43:42] <abff> umatrix is gone
3639[21:43:48] <abff> we're literally doomed
3640[21:43:52] <sney> the former would probably be a better option, and everyone knows that firefox and chromium are substantial cans of worms at present, and maybe/hopefully the browser thing will be addressed somehow for bookworm.
3641[21:43:53] <flrnd> my problem is with chromium itself. No more chromium based browsers please
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3643[21:44:21] <ratrace> cub3s_: meanwhile, what's wrong with phone home? that's the LEAST of privacy issues on the modern internet. browsers are low on the list of things to worry about, EXCEPT chrom-e-ium
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3647[21:45:22] <cub3s_> "what's wrong with phone home" - nothing if they were given explicit permission to do it by the user. what worries me is that firefox allows this without any explicit permissions
3648[21:46:18] <abff> mozilla has a tradition of being sneaky and disrespecting their users
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3650[21:46:34] <abff> its part of their motto "Our browser, our way"
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3652[21:47:01] <flrnd> shouldn't we trasladate this to -offtopic?
3653[21:47:15] <abff> aye
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3655[21:47:40] <ratrace> even if you use lynx, this is what happens: your DNS is leaking to someone, be it your ISP, or to google or to cloudflare. your tcp packets have dst-src which isn't encrypted, even if you use https. websites you visit store your UA and IP address in server logs . they leave cookies. now, if you use a GUI browser and/or enable javascript, and you have at least on site you deem "trusted", all sorts of leaks
3656[21:47:46] <ratrace> happen. your hardware, canvas fingerprint, timing supercookies, etc.... all is leaked, somewhere
3657[21:48:06] <ratrace> *one site
3658[21:48:26] <ratrace> so, "ET phone home" is really the LEAST of worries when using modern internet's http(s) protocols.
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3661[21:49:48] <ratrace> and FingerlessGloves joined just in me for me to say that I don't mind javascript, I mind webasm and webgl, those are NOT needed to browse vast majority of sites ;)
3662[21:49:56] <ratrace> just in *time
3663[21:50:14] <FingerlessGloves> Yeah sorry I was having issues with ZFS and udev
3664[21:50:19] <FingerlessGloves> all sorted now :-)
3665[21:51:02] <ratrace> FingerlessGloves: btw... was going to ask, those looked like regular device nodes... why you even needed custom rules
3666[21:51:05] <abff> cloudflare is creepy
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3668[21:52:37] <cws> "creepy"
3669[21:52:38] <FingerlessGloves> ratrace so by-id has wwn names for the drives right, when ZFS imports using by-id which is its default. It uses the wwn names over the serial names. So when a drive dies, it makes it more work to find out the serial number. So its nice when I get my report email about the ZFS pools, it lists the serial and drive model :-)
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3671[21:53:03] <cws> abff: So far, all you've offered are vague emotional statements.
3672[21:53:03] <ratrace> FingerlessGloves: oh, cute
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3674[21:53:18] <cub3s_> ratrace, "phone home" of addons is an issue on, e.g. an internet banking site that otherwise doesn't leak my data. (that was just one example)
3675[21:53:37] <FingerlessGloves> I used to just comment out /lib/udev/rules.d/60-persistent-storage.rules but the issue is it can get replaced on a package upgrade. but my idea nearly worked, but then there's some hard coded bits in zfs import on systemd, so I went fuck it, either way I gotta change a file 🤣. SO went back to editing /lib/udev/rules.d/60-persistent-storage.rules
3676[21:53:43] <ratrace> FingerlessGloves: but do you need udev rules? import with -d, it's saved in the cachefile and automatically reused next time, no?
3677[21:54:04] <FingerlessGloves> ratrace usually yes, but sometimes I've noticed it doesn't seem to use the cachefile with the original names.
3678[21:54:11] <ratrace> huh
3679[21:54:19] <FingerlessGloves> Little strange indeed
3680[21:54:46] <FingerlessGloves> Plus you kinda have to mess with the udevs, when its a root pool, otherwise you gotta whip out chroot or something from livecd
3681[21:55:02] <ratrace> right
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3683[21:55:17] <abff> cws you don't find cloudflare creepy?
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3685[21:55:57] <Anarchy7> hey all yesterday I upgraded debain from 9 to 10 and now my mysql is messed up... How can I delete everything related to mysql and make a fresh install`?
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3689[22:00:13] <cub3s_> i think a good compromise is to install only open source addons. turns out ghostery is closed-source, possibly spyware. how it's categorized as "recommended" boggles the mind.
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3691[22:00:30] <cub3s_> privacy badger looks good, recommended by EFF
3692[22:01:23] <cws> abff: No. Why would I?
3693[22:01:27] <flrnd> ublock is oss too
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3697[22:01:49] <abff> still rip umatrix
3698[22:02:01] <greycat> Anarchy7: all the packages will have "maria" somewhere in their names.
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3700[22:02:18] <greycat> unless of course you used third-party packages from Oracle or wherever
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3702[22:02:59] <abff> cws a body that mitm web traffic from millions of websites. creepy af
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3705[22:04:04] <cws> Again with the emotional perspective.
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3708[22:04:30] <cws> Caching/CDN is quite a valuable capability for a whole host of reasons, as is the built-in DDoS protection.
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3712[22:07:36] <Anarchy7> @greycat while upgrade it asked about mysql I think I clicked keep the current settings
3713[22:07:45] <Anarchy7> there was mariadb as well
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3715[22:07:54] <Anarchy7> but right now I dont really know what is installed
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3718[22:08:16] <greycat> Then find out. dpkg -l | grep maria
3719[22:08:41] <Anarchy7> sudo apt-get install --reinstall mysql this says unable to locate package mysql
3720[22:08:58] <flrnd> or dpkg-reconfigure
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3722[22:09:07] <greycat> as I said before, the packages have "maria" in their names because mariadb replaced mysql in Debian
3723[22:09:46] <flrnd> Anarchy7: did you install mysql from debian repositories on debian 9?
3724[22:10:11] <Anarchy7> replaced-url
3725[22:10:16] <Anarchy7> yes I have mariadb
3726[22:10:44] <Anarchy7> @flrnd debian 10 repos
3727[22:11:22] <flrnd> that's not what I asked, let me try again
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3729[22:11:53] <Anarchy7> !dpkg sources.list buster
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3731[22:12:09] <Anarchy7> !dpkg buster sources.list
3732[22:12:09] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Buster" has the lines: "deb replaced-url
3733[22:12:23] <Anarchy7> from the repos of the bot which just wrote
3734[22:12:30] <flrnd> but you said your problem started when you updated from 9 to 10
3735[22:12:45] <flrnd> so, you installed mysql or mariadb on 9
3736[22:13:19] <Anarchy7> flrnd I actually upgraded from 8 to 9 the same way
3737[22:13:31] <cub3s_> flrnd, thanks for the ublock recommendation!
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3739[22:13:45] <Anarchy7> when I was at 9 my websites were working fine
3740[22:13:50] <flrnd> cub3s_: ublock origin is the one in github
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3744[22:15:00] <cub3s_> flrnd, yeah, it's gnu license too. mozilla public license .. what a proprietary joke! why aren't they purged by mozilla immediately? something is fishy imo
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3749[22:16:04] <flrnd> cub3s_: what's mozilla public license?
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3751[22:16:32] <cub3s_> flrnd, for instance ghostery has mozilla public license. it's some open source and closed source mix, as far as i understand
3752[22:16:41] <flrnd> oh right
3753[22:16:44] <sney> entry #16 on replaced-url
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3756[22:19:00] <flrnd> Anarchy7: in any case, maybe finding why it does not work now would be interesting. To remove mariadb just `apt purge mariadb*` But I wont do that.
3757[22:19:42] <Anarchy7> so what would be wise?
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3759[22:19:53] <flrnd> find what cause the error and fix it
3760[22:19:56] <jmcnaught> Anarchy7: right now you do not seem to have mariadb-server (the meta-package) or mariadb-server-10.3 (buster's version) installed.
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3762[22:20:14] <Anarchy7> shall I install mariadb server?
3763[22:20:30] <jmcnaught> Anarchy7: you have mariadb-server-10.1's config files still from stretch, it was removed but not purged.
3764[22:20:30] <Anarchy7> replaced-url
3765[22:20:44] <Anarchy7> here I see mariadb server
3766[22:21:05] <flrnd> crap, my dns filters that pastebin and cant open it
3767[22:21:25] <flrnd> if you don't mind using paste.debian.net :)
3768[22:21:45] <flrnd> or replaced-url
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3770[22:22:16] <jmcnaught> Anarchy7: line 7 "rc mariadb-server-10.1 10.1.48-0+deb9u2 amd64" the "rc" at the start of the line means removed, config-files still there
3771[22:22:16] <abff> 0x0.st
3772[22:22:45] <Anarchy7> replaced-url
3773[22:24:17] <Anarchy7> I see so next step should be installing mariadb server
3774[22:24:31] <flrnd> yep
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3778[22:30:01] <Anarchy7> that was easy ... it did the trick...
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3781[22:30:31] <Anarchy7> thanks flrnd and jmcnaught
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3783[22:30:46] <flrnd> no problem :) glad it was so easy to resolve
3784[22:30:47] <cub3s_> someone recently told me "really? the irc still exists?"
3785[22:30:57] <cub3s_> this is the best place
3786[22:31:14] <flrnd> I was out of the irc 20 years
3787[22:31:20] <flrnd> started to log back recently
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3789[22:31:41] <Anarchy7> irc is life :)
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3792[22:32:27] <sney> open protocol, low resource requirements, no dependency on for-profit apps or providers, irc will probably be around in some form as long as tcp/ip is
3793[22:32:46] <cws> replaced-url
3794[22:33:25] <flrnd> cws: hahaha that's it
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3796[22:34:22] <cws> There really is an xkcd for everything.
3797[22:35:57] <cub3s_> sad trend :(
3798[22:36:03] <cub3s_> sney, so true
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3800[22:36:42] <cub3s_> if slack had balls, they would have built everything on top of irc so you could join slack channels with irc clients
3801[22:37:21] <flrnd> slacks has it's perks. Last year in our hack week we developed few slack bots for some tasks that are actually usefull
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3803[22:37:34] <flrnd> it has some interesting integrations, but for communication? it just sucks
3804[22:38:02] <cws> cub3s_: slack used to have an irc gateway
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3808[22:42:18] <cub3s_> didn't know that.. interesting
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3861[23:27:20] <HelloShitty> evening. How do I specify a non-standard ssh port for rsync to send some files over ssh to a device am I connect to?
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3864[23:28:25] <quadrathoch2> --port or hostname:port
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3866[23:29:27] <HelloShitty> I tried: rsync --port=port source/file user@host:~/ but didn't work
3867[23:29:38] <HelloShitty> also, you suggest hostname:port
3868[23:29:49] <HelloShitty> but after the hostname is the destiny folder, right?
3869[23:29:52] <quadrathoch2> that's at least what the manpage says
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3871[23:30:13] <HelloShitty> yes, I saw the manpage but couldn't understand how to use the --port
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3874[23:30:47] <HelloShitty> so, is it "legal" to specify the port after the hostname?
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3876[23:30:57] <HelloShitty> and where would we specify the dest path ?
3877[23:31:18] <quadrathoch2> rsync [OPTION...] SRC... rsync://[USER@]HOST[:PORT]/DEST
3878[23:31:40] <HelloShitty> ok let me try
3879[23:31:50] <vvor> HelloShitty: rsync -av -e 'ssh -p PORT-NUMBER-HERE'
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3882[23:33:21] <HelloShitty> hum, ok, let me try that
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3885[23:35:13] <vvor> HelloShitty: rsync -av -e 'ssh -p PORT-NUMBER-HERE' /path/to/source user@example.com
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3887[23:37:34] <HelloShitty> vvor: thanks
3888[23:37:47] <HelloShitty> Probably it would have been even better to use 'scp' or so
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3892[23:39:56] <jem> Hi, I'm working with Gnome Terminal and it seems that it "captures" F1 to F4 keys, which I have assigned to irssi channels, but I don't see that them in the shortcut list, any ideas?
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3894[23:40:29] <vvor> HelloShitty: Maybe, but only for a one-off of a small file.
3895[23:40:52] <jem> I don't see them*
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3897[23:41:28] <abff> ugh I hate when terminal emulators do that
3898[23:42:21] <netx> If you disable shortcuts altogether (there is a check box at the top to Enable shortcuts) does it work?
3899[23:42:30] <jem> Nope, netx
3900[23:42:36] <jem> I tried
3901[23:42:49] <netx> Huh
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3903[23:43:05] <netx> Are you using something like tmux or screen that might be configured to use those keys?
3904[23:43:18] <jem> In fact F5 to F12 work for other channels even with shortcuts disabled
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3906[23:43:33] <jem> I'm inside screen, yes
3907[23:43:49] <jem> But in other environments F1 to F4 work perfectly
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3909[23:44:07] <jem> I mean, connecting to that screen from putty or text console
3910[23:45:15] <jem> Or irssi connectbot in Android
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3912[23:46:54] <jem> I can accept an answer like "Use *** terminal software, which doesn't have that problem"
3913[23:47:06] <netx> If you «cat -v» in a gnome-terminal and hit F1-F4, what happens? I get «^[OP^[OQ^[OR^[OS» from within gnome-terminal+tmux.
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3915[23:47:24] <jem> Let me check
3916[23:47:36] <jmcnaught> jem: I'm using gnome-terminal on buster here, and I just tested F1-F4 inside a screen session with mc and the keys work for me
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3919[23:49:10] <jem> netx: The same for me
3920[23:49:27] <jmcnaught> jem: I remember I had to disable a bunch of shortcuts in gnome-terminal when I started using it, for switching tabs, but I think they were Alt+1, Alt+2…
3921[23:49:46] <jem> jmcnaught: In fact I have disabled all shortcuts
3922[23:50:04] <jem> Maybe it's a problem when interacting with irssi?
3923[23:50:22] <jem> Let me check
3924[23:51:13] <jem> Well, othe programs seem to receive F1-F4
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3926[23:51:16] <jem> other*
3927[23:51:27] <jmcnaught> strange
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3929[23:52:26] <netx> Hmm, if memory serves, there are 2 kinds of VT codes for F1-F4, due to how various terminals handled those particular keys. Perhaps irssi expects the other set.
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3932[23:53:13] <netx> I'm looking up some info now, it's been a while since I last dealt with ANSI escape sequences.
3933[23:53:26] <jem> Thanks, netx
3934[23:54:13] <jem> It's right than cat -v gives very different results from F5 on
3935[23:54:21] <jem> It's true*
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3939[23:56:13] <Anarchy7> good night guys!
3940[23:56:15] <abff> considered harmful
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3943[23:57:28] <shaka> I'm running Haiku 64bit nightly right now.. So much fun! fast, clean and solid! replaced-url
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3945[23:58:05] <Mister00X> !haiku
3946[23:58:05] <dpkg> here in this channel / we write very bad haiku / readers all go mad | debian woody / stiffs out the competition / no pun intended. See also <symlink>. Haiku is also the name of an open source binary-compatible clone of the BeOS operating system. replaced-url
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