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0[00:00:27] <awwal> also comment the third line source bla bla
bla
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1[00:00:41] <arrrrrrrgh> third line source? ;_;
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3[00:01:16] <tuxi> wouldn't the wifi be wlan0?
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4[00:01:22] <awwal> source /etc/network/interfaces.d/*
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5[00:02:37] <awwal> leave uncommented only the two line: auto
lo and iface lo inet loopback
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8[00:03:26] <arrrrrrrgh> The problem remains that my kernel
driver for wifi is not loaded
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9[00:03:53] <arrrrrrrgh> Configuring the interface is all well
and good but without a driver to run the hardware I am still
wifiless :(
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11[00:04:09] <awwal> !kernels
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13[00:04:27] <dpkg> Linux kernel versions, mainline: 4.7-rc3,
stable 4.6: 4.6.2, stable 4.5: 4.5.7, longterm 4.4: 4.4.13, longterm
4.1: 4.1.26, longterm 3.18: 3.18.35, longterm 3.16: 3.16.36,
longterm 3.14: 3.14.72, longterm 3.12: 3.12.60, longterm 3.10:
3.10.102, longterm 3.4: 3.4.112, longterm 3.2: 3.2.81, linux-next:
next-20160617
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15[00:05:06] <awwal> ! jessie kernel
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16[00:05:07] <dpkg> Debian 8 "Jessie" released with
the Linux 3.16 kernel, see
replaced-url
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19[00:06:17] <arrrrrrrgh> Now I have to find out what the
drivers are called so I can manually load them :|
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21[00:06:27] <arrrrrrrgh> I have spent more time on wifi in
Debian than I spent on installing most of Arch ;_;
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23[00:06:33] <awwal> arrrrrrrgh, according to that debian wiki
entry iwlwifi with kernel 3.16.7-ckt9-2 should support your card
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24[00:06:38] <arrrrrrrgh> It sure should
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25[00:06:39] <arrrrrrrgh> But it doesn't load
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26[00:06:43] <arrrrrrrgh> So whether it supports is a nonissue
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27[00:06:49] <awwal> !stable kernel
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28[00:06:49] <dpkg> Debian <stable> releases use a kernel
with long-term, cross-distribution support. The kernel receives bug
fixes and drivers for new hardware are backported to this kernel.
The <debian backports> archive also contains newer kernels.
Ask me about <jessie kernel> <bdo kernel> <linux
backports>.
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32[00:09:08] <awwal> arrrrrrrgh, I dont know how your made your
install so not sure how to help you. other people may now.
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33[00:09:38] <awwal> know ^
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35[00:10:53] <awwal> arrrrrrrgh, if reinstalling isn't
important a problem for you, using the netinst cd image the one
including non-free firmwares maybe the safest and easy/ fastest
solution
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39[00:11:35] <awwal> for laptops I always recommend the non
free images
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41[00:12:01] <awwal> almost when one have no access to wired
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42[00:12:07] <andril> o/
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43[00:12:14] <arrrrrrrgh> I thought I chose a non-free image :P
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44[00:12:47] <awwal> which one exactly?
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45[00:12:53] <andril> arrrrrrrgh, is there such a thing
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47[00:13:21] <arrrrrrrgh> andril: I don't think so
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49[00:13:30] <arrrrrrrgh> I think I shall abandon this attempt
at Debian and keep it on my VMs where it works :P
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50[00:14:16] <andril> it took me a while to get it to pur for
me - it was all in the sourcelists
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51[00:14:47] <awwal> if you end not running debian, so you will
miss a rock solid gnu/linux OS :P
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52[00:15:22] <awwal> many of us, including myself, uses
non-free drivers for wifi and all fine
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54[00:16:04] <awwal> arrrrrrrgh, just by curiosity, can we see
your apt sources file?
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57[00:16:56] <arrrrrrrgh> awwal: remind me where that is? :P
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58[00:17:13] <andril> arrrrrrrgh, this is mine
replaced-url
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59[00:17:26] <arrrrrrrgh> your source file is written in
avrasm?! hardcore
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60[00:17:43] <andril> awwal, let me know if i am missing
something
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62[00:17:58] <arrrrrrrgh> I uh, I may have added non-free to
only one of my sources
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64[00:18:03] <somiaj> andril: there are unoffical images that
contain the non-free firmware for network cards.
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66[00:18:19] <awwal> arrrrrrrgh, ^
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68[00:18:45] <awwal> arrrrrrrgh, etc/apt/sources.list
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70[00:19:13] <awwal> arrrrrrrgh, /etc/apt/sources.list
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72[00:19:39] <andril> somiaj, i try to keep it official but
able :P
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75[00:20:14] <arrrrrrrgh> awwal:
replaced-url
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76[00:20:16] <somiaj> andril: unoffical in the sense that
debian tries to be clear and not have an offical installer that has
software that breaks the DSFG. It is made by debian developers.
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77[00:20:36] <awwal> andril, your file isn't ok
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78[00:20:37] <andril> cool
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79[00:20:39] <somiaj> andril: but if you are going to choose to
use non-free firmware anyways, it is available to use during the
install.
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82[00:21:06] <andril> awwal, do you have any suggestions
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87[00:21:34] <awwal> andril, you have non-free in main repo and
no in the security one
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89[00:21:39] <awwal> thats a problem
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90[00:21:45] <arrrrrrrgh> awwal: you're talking to me? :P
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93[00:22:12] <arrrrrrrgh> I'm confused :(
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96[00:22:33] <awwal> also you mix stable with experimental, so
crazy :P andril
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97[00:22:34] <andril> thanks awwal :P
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99[00:23:07] <andril> i noticed Firefox ESR showed up
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101[00:23:10] <somiaj> mixing stable with experimental will most
likely break your system since experimental packages are compiled
against sid dependencies.
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104[00:23:39] <arrrrrrrgh> awwal: Is mine also horribly broken?
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106[00:23:52] <awwal> arrrrrrrgh, your file is fine, just add
non-free to the security and volatiles repositories
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107[00:24:16] <somiaj> arrrrrrrgh: your sources.list looks fine.
Though you should have non-free (and maybe contrib) on the security
sources. If you are going to use non-free might as well at least
have security fixes for them.
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109[00:24:18] <arrrrrrrgh> awwal: I somehow doubt that will
unbreak wifi however :P
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110[00:24:20] <awwal> volatile ^
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111[00:24:42] <awwal> yeah, but that for future eventural
updates
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114[00:25:04] <awwal> eventual future upgrades ^
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117[00:26:38] <awwal> modinfo iwlwifi PCI: 8086:24F3 Intel
Corporation Wireless 8260
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121[00:28:21] <andril> firmware-iwlwifi
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122[00:28:52] <arrrrrrrgh> I think I'm just going to go
back to Arch, it took less time and was easier to understand :P
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123[00:29:30] <andril> Debian ain't never hurt anybody
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125[00:30:21] <andril> how are you loading the driver i used
Synaptic
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127[00:31:05] <ryouma> does debian have a command line version
of patience diff? and similar?
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128[00:31:23] <ryouma> (i know git diff can be made to use it
but i don't know if it can compare just 2 plain files)
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132[00:32:39] <nacc> ryouma: do you mean `diff` ? what is
'patience diff' ?
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136[00:34:09] <ryouma> nacc: it does stuff like first only
considering unique lines that are common to both files. i think it
is not what i need, but i want to try it. and to collect all the
simlar tools in debian.
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138[00:36:29] <nacc> ryouma: oh i see, it's a diff
algorithm
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139[00:36:44] <nacc> ryouma: i'm not aware of any way to
leverage that commonly other than `git-diff` itself
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141[00:37:43] <ryouma> i'll ask on #git if it can be forced
to not use git
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144[00:38:59] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> hey so if you took a debian
server and installed xfce4 over lightdm over x and something was
dropping you into tty2 instead of tty7/x ... what thing would most
likely be doing that?
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146[00:39:53] <somiaj> ac1dh0n3ycl0ud: debian doesn't run x
on tty7 anymore, in jessie debian will run x on the tty it was
launched in (tty1 is default).
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151[00:42:16] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> somiaj: ok so i have some
experience digging through init scripts and i guess i'm
assuming that the reason for that is somewhere in a systemd script?
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152[00:42:46] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> somiaj: it's been a while
since i use debian very much
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153[00:43:00] <frew> so I am trying to build gitit (Which
testing has a new package for) for an older version of debian
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154[00:43:11] <frew> is there a good way to do what I want to
do?
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155[00:43:25] <frew> I tried debuild -uc -us in the package but
it complains about uninstalled deps
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156[00:43:28] <somiaj> ac1dh0n3ycl0ud: do you really want x to
run on tty7? I'm unsure on the details, but xorg doesn't
need its own tty anymore and will just run on the current tty. In
stretch this even goes further with xorg that doesn't require
setuid and just runs as the user.
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157[00:43:29] <frew> and there are many many many
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158[00:43:47] <somiaj> !tell frew about ssb
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159[00:43:57] <somiaj> frew: have you tried following those
instructions for creating a backport?
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162[00:44:27] <frew> no
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163[00:44:30] <frew> reading now
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164[00:44:32] <frew> thanks
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165[00:44:35] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> somiaj: i will investigate having
x start on the default tty
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166[00:44:56] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> somiaj: many thank you's and
a blessing on your crops and offspring
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167[00:45:45] <somiaj> ac1dh0n3ycl0ud: maybe we shoudl take step
back. Is x not running correctly? I'm just explain what should
happen when you run 'startx' or ahve lightdm run at boot.
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172[00:47:24] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> somiaj, when lightdm is launching
because of its dpkg-configure script "on tty7" it's
launching and i'm being dropped back to tty2 (which is my
default tty)
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173[00:48:11] <somiaj> ac1dh0n3ycl0ud: okay might be somethign
going on that I am not use to
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174[00:48:31] <somiaj> and by dropped back to tty2, you mean
when you close/kill lightdm?
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176[00:49:25] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> somiaj: there is and this is a
better question for another channel but i figured i would pose a
general debian question to try and learn more about the
system's configuration
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177[00:50:11] <nikoma> I get the following error message when I
plug in my power supply to my notebook
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178[00:50:14] <nikoma>
replaced-url
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179[00:50:20] <nikoma> what does it mean?
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185[00:52:15] <somiaj> nikoma: not sure why it is triggered when
you plug your power supply in, but that is either your ata controler
or hardrive having troubles
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186[00:52:30] <somiaj> nikoma: the last time I had similar
messages it was due to a bad ssd drive.
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187[00:52:38] <somiaj> (this may not be the case for you)
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188[00:53:22] <nikoma> thanks
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189[00:53:32] <ac1dh0n3ycl0ud> somiaj: thanks once more
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190[00:53:43] <nikoma> I found this thread
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191[00:53:46] <nikoma>
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193[00:53:52] <nikoma> which seems to be the same
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195[00:54:15] <somiaj> nikoma: backup to be safe
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201[00:59:45] <nikoma> I am back
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205[01:01:50] <nikoma> I guess the fact that I get the error
only when plugging in power supply it means it's probably not a
big deal right?
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215[01:05:52] <somiaj> nikoma: I wouldn't bet your data on
that.
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217[01:06:41] <somiaj> nikoma: but it could be caused by a
change in power to the drive causing it to restart. It could
continue to work, it could be dying.
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218[01:07:26] <nikoma> Something like that is what I thought
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220[01:07:45] <nikoma> so I will simply plug in the power supply
when turned off just to be sure
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221[01:07:53] <nikoma> I guess
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222[01:08:09] <awwal> nikoma, smartctl or its gui frontend
gsmartcontrol may help in similar situation.
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223[01:08:19] <nikoma> will always check dmesg at the end of the
day for a few days and if no errors, then I guess it's fine
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225[01:08:36] <nikoma> might do smartctl on holidays, but I have
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type tunnel in the interfaces man page in jessie, this is great but
it won't let me create a tunnel without an address/netmask, any
idea why is it not possible to create interfaces in
/etc/network/interfaces and let other software i.e. quagga handle
the addresses ?
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272[01:31:20] <otyugh_II> ho man :(
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274[01:31:54] <his> what is the difference of debian from
ubuntu?
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275[01:31:56] <otyugh_II> I struggled hard to install a debian
netinstall from scratch using a serial USB, and it does not support
graphic display ? :'(
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276[01:32:00] <his> or which os is best for beginners?
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277[01:32:10] <otyugh_II> (on olinxino A20)
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280[01:32:34] <LtL> his: probably ubuntu, it'd debateable
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281[01:32:43] <LtL> *it's
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285[01:36:02] <somiaj> his: there are lots of difference. The
main one is policy and this effects what defaults are, the software
available and what a release is.
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287[01:36:27] <somiaj> his: ubuntu has more tools to
automatically configure things for you, debian provides you more
choice (which also means you may have to figure out how to configure
things more on your own)
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288[01:36:42] <his> i see
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289[01:36:45] <somiaj> his: many may think debian has a steeper
learning curve, but in the end it is worth it because you will learn
a lot.
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291[01:37:03] <his> so ubuntu is suitable for beginners
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292[01:37:20] <his> yep i agree
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294[01:37:25] <abrotman> so is Debian, depends on your aptitude
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295[01:37:25] <somiaj> his: most here would suggest debian of
course. But ubuntu will do more things for you automatically (good
or bad)
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297[01:38:07] <somiaj> his: debian does work really well, there
are just some common sticky points (like non-free firmware for wifi
cards or graphics drivers) that the users here in #debian can help
you with when you run into them.
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298[01:38:31] <his> ok
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310[01:45:24] <LtL> *it's
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311[01:45:28] <LtL> err
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312[01:46:04] <unborn> his: debian is just fine, everything will
work.. and if you will need drivers you can download actually all
non free wifi drivers in one .deb file which you will just install ,
reboot and it will work
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316[01:46:53] <unborn> ubuntu is basically build on debian
unstable with all drivers in ( I would say older drivers for wifi
from personal experience) and its resources eater
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331[01:51:30] <unborn> I started on debian 5 I think, then I
tried ubuntu 6 and been with it for few years, then year on linux
mint which went from great to crap and when mint isadora reached end
of life, I went back to ubuntu 14.04 and two weeks back I switched
finally to pure debian. Basically on servers I use only debian since
debian 5, but as you know server is something else then desktop for
office work.. old times on debian was maybe harder but I think if
you give a cha
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332[01:51:30] <unborn> nce to debian jessie you would not be
disappointed
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334[01:52:36] <somiaj> I like to think people should have feedom
and choice to use what works best for them. To me debian works best,
but my idea may not agree with others. Just if you want to use
#debian for support you best be running debian.
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339[01:56:48] <unborn> youre right somiaj, i share same view as
you.. my hold back was gui.. when I tried debian 7 I did not like
the new gnome 3 those days.. it was not that good as in this
release.. I was really nicely surprised and I fall in love with it
meh
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346[01:59:33] <LtL> why would all these other distros copy
debian if debian wasn't the best... just a thought
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351[02:00:38] <Pegasus_RPG> Hello. I have Samba 4.2.10 installed
on Jessie and samba-tool complains that it can't find ldb with
"ldb: unable to stat module /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/samba/ldb
: No such file or directory"
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353[02:00:56] <Pegasus_RPG> Doing a package search turns up no
packages that provide it, so what can I do?
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361[02:04:44] <somiaj> ,v samba
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362[02:04:45] <judd> Package: samba on amd64 -- squeeze:
2:3.5.6~dfsg-3squeeze11; squeeze-security: 2:3.5.6~dfsg-3squeeze11;
squeeze-security-lts: 2:3.5.6~dfsg-3squeeze13; squeeze-backports:
2:3.6.6-6+deb7u5~bpo60+1; wheezy: 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u7;
wheezy-proposed-updates: 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u9; wheezy-security:
2:3.6.6-6+deb7u10; wheezy-backports: 2:4.1.17+dfsg-1~bpo70+1;
jessie: 2:4.1.17+dfsg-2+deb8u2; jessie-
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363[02:04:46] <judd> proposed-updates: 2:4.2.10+dfsg-0+deb8u3;
jessie-security: 2:4.2.10+dfsg-0+deb8u3; stretch: 2:4.4.3+dfsg-4;
sid: 2:4.4.3+dfsg-4
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365[02:05:27] <somiaj> Pegasus_RPG: care to share the output of
apt-cache policy?
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367[02:06:02] <somiaj> Pegasus_RPG: it seems security had to do
a version bump in samba from 4.1.17 to 4.2.10, it could be you are
missing some package that may be in jessie-updates
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370[02:06:54] <unborn> I dont get it.. I installed samba on few
of my machines and everything works normally
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375[02:07:42] <Pegasus_RPG> somiaj:
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376[02:08:24] <Pegasus_RPG> Another of my machines that I
upgraded doesn't display that error
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379[02:08:48] <somiaj> Pegasus_RPG: maybe it has something to do
with the config file you are using on tha tmachine. Are both
machines using your custom mirror?
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382[02:08:57] <Pegasus_RPG> yes
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390[02:11:32] <somiaj> Pegasus_RPG: I'm not seeing anything
in my limited expreince that could be causing that.
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393[02:11:46] <somiaj> Pegasus_RPG: is the package
samba-common-bin fully upgraded to version 4.2.10?
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394[02:12:03] <Pegasus_RPG> ii samba-common-bin
2:4.2.10+dfsg-0+deb8u3
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395[02:12:15] <Pegasus_RPG> does that tell you what you need to
know?
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397[02:13:00] <somiaj> Pegasus_RPG: just testing things, found a
few hits on google. I don't see what the problem could be
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399[02:13:44] <Pegasus_RPG> the bigger issue is that even on the
machine that doesn't complain with that error, it is also
saying "ERROR: User <machine>$ not found" if I try
to list spns for it
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400[02:13:48] <somiaj> Pegasus_RPG: I see some various hits
about different issues. One suggestion is just "ln -s
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/samba/ldb/ /usr/lib/samba/ldb", but
this doesn't explain why this error happens.
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401[02:14:15] <somiaj> Pegasus_RPG: I haven't used samba as
part of a windows domain so I'm unsure on the details here,
just going off of what I find in google.
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402[02:14:27] <Pegasus_RPG> somiaj: I saw that too, but
/usr/lib/samba/ldb doesn't exist
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403[02:14:32] <Pegasus_RPG> on this system
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404[02:15:10] <Pegasus_RPG> /usr/lib/samba is empty in fact. It
is as well on the system that doesn't give that error too
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407[02:15:41] <somiaj> Pegasus_RPG: yea seems that a file name
'ldb' doesn't exsit in debian. I'm unsure what
is going on, maybe a samba channel can give a hint.
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412[02:16:36] * Pegasus_RPG hates having to go to a Windows machine to
do admin tasks that are supposed to work in Linux :/
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418[02:18:45] <somiaj> Pegasus_RPG: seems strange that it is
only affecting one machine. Maybe purge the samba packages reinstall
and use the configuration file from the working machine? (or just
lurk around, maybe someone with more experience iwth samba on an AD
can help)
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422[02:20:56] <alu> whatsup with the 3 dvds and 2 updates?
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423[02:21:00] <alu> which one do i use?
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424[02:21:30] <alu> installing 8.5 dvd
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425[02:21:33] <themill> that depends what you're wanting to
do and is explained on the download page
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426[02:21:41] <somiaj> alu: depends on what you want, you can
get away with a minimial netinstall image, or even just a cd
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427[02:21:55] <somiaj> very few people will need more than the
first dvd if you want a hardcopy of the .deb files on hand
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428[02:22:22] * themill chuckles at that being a hard copy
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485[02:57:11] <asterismo> after dist-upgrading debian 8 last
week my php is broken, cannot upload images, load capchas, etc. and
i'm getting this error in apache log: PHP Notice: Undefined
index: HTTP_REFERER in /var/replaced-url
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486[02:57:15] <asterismo> any ideas?
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487[02:57:47] <asterismo> the upgrade ask me to generate a new
config file and i chose to stay with currently installed version
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490[02:58:47] <pencilandpaper> Thats fine asterismo , although I
usually go with the new config files.
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492[02:58:57] <pencilandpaper> You should be alright though.
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495[03:00:02] <asterismo> i think maybe php5 went through a
major upgrade and thats why asked to upgrade the config
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496[03:00:26] <asterismo> is there anyway to re-run the upgrade
and be asked to install package maintainers verison again?
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499[03:01:21] <pencilandpaper> I am not sure, thats a good
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500[03:01:39] <abrotman> itwould have saved it as dpkg-new or
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502[03:01:56] <pencilandpaper> I don't think.
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504[03:02:49] <pencilandpaper> Can you revert to a previous
version abrotman , and then upgrade again to the newer one having
that option again to choose between keeping the old config or
installing the new one?
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505[03:03:18] <asterismo> the only reference to HTTP_REFERER
variable in /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini is blank
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506[03:03:21] <asterismo>
replaced-url
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507[03:03:55] <abrotman> you don'tneed to
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511[03:04:35] <abrotman> did you checkthe changelog?
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513[03:05:46] <Pegasus_RPG> somiaj: actually I found another
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520[03:09:57] <asterismo> how do i install a previous version of
php?
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524[03:12:25] <abrotman> asterismo: again, you don't need
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525[03:12:34] <abrotman> dpkg: tell asterismo about confnew
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526[03:12:41] <asterismo> what to do then?
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529[03:13:30] <asterismo> apt-get -o
DPkg::Options::="--force-confnew" ??
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530[03:13:40] <asterismo> for php5?
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532[03:13:55] <asterismo> apt-get -o php5 --force-confnew ?
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550[03:22:29] <FNTM-U3> hi
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552[03:22:37] <FNTM-U3> After a fresh install I clicked at
"blank config" instead of "default config" for
xfce panel. how could I make xfce to ask me again. I want a default
config file.
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558[03:24:34] <jmcnaught> FNTM-U3: some desktop environments
have a "first-run wizard" in their menus or settings.
otherwise xfce will have its per-user settings in place like
~/.config that you could move elsewhere, or copy from a different
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559[03:25:38] <jmcnaught> (because the first run wizard probably
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561[03:26:35] <FNTM-U3> jmcnaught: it is not pre-define destro
first-run. (like BL linux) rather it is first run of xfce. it is
xfce native. I had that from debian to gentoo
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563[03:27:32] <jmcnaught> FNTM-U3: you're talking about a
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577[03:35:48] <FNTM-U3> jmcnaught: yes. It asked me if i want an
empty panel or a default one. I wanted default but I selected empty
panel instead. now I want to go with default.
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580[03:37:36] <jmcnaught> FNTM-U3: those questions it asked on
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581[03:38:31] <jmcnaught> if you can't find a menu or
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664[04:21:55] <sm00th> anybody use apparmor? I have this issue
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707[04:41:34] <sm00th> wait it does now after a reboot
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732[04:55:12] <SilverBallz> Anyone around to help guid me in the
right direction to get touchscreen to work on Asus laptop?
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733[04:55:18] <SilverBallz> guide*
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735[04:55:50] <SilverBallz> i've already installed xinput
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744[05:03:13] <sm00th> man debian is so sane compared to other
distros. stability, security, available apps, user friendliness,
compatiblity. I probably won't ever touch another distro again.
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745[05:04:13] <sm00th> such sane defaults
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746[05:04:41] <sm00th> best installer too by far.
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754[05:09:21] <shadows> sm00th: where the installer is only good
and not "great", it is at least consistent
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756[05:09:41] <sm00th> shadows, well for example, I don't
know of any other distro installer that lets you encrypt single
partitions
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758[05:10:00] <sm00th> its usually only home, full disk, or
nothing.
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760[05:10:23] <shadows> where I'd like to see improvement
is support for multi-volume disk formats i.e. ZFS BTRFS
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761[05:10:47] <shadows> trying to coax a Debian install on to
btrfs is tricky
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762[05:10:54] <sm00th> I don't know much about that.
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763[05:11:09] <sm00th> I have also never had a debian installer
bug out on me. like almost every other distro has at least once.
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765[05:11:34] <shadows> it does pretty good and is consistent
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769[05:16:23] <sm00th> makes me wonder what other distro
installers are thinking lol
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770[05:16:32] <SilverBallz> i did for the first time sm00th. i
think thats why the touchscreen isn't working
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771[05:16:51] <sm00th> SilverBallz, it bugged out during the
install?
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772[05:17:12] <sm00th> i alwaqys use the non graphical
installer.
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773[05:18:06] <SilverBallz> Yes, it took a few tries but i
finally got testing installed using a nightly build
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774[05:18:19] <SilverBallz> ya thats what i had to do also
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776[05:18:32] <SilverBallz> i always use expert install either
way
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779[05:19:08] <sm00th> what is expert install?
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780[05:19:17] <SilverBallz> im sort of new touefi bios
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783[05:19:25] <cornbreadheadman> sorry, its only for experts
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784[05:19:30] <cornbreadheadman> lol
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785[05:19:39] <sm00th> haha
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786[05:19:49] <SilverBallz> lol na its not even like that. just
less automation and more questions
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787[05:19:55] <cornbreadheadman> sorry, couldnt help it
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788[05:20:17] <SilverBallz> Ooo
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789[05:20:20] <sm00th> I never knew there was an expert mode lol
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790[05:20:31] <cornbreadheadman> uefi bios confuses me, so I
moved to ARM
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791[05:20:40] <cornbreadheadman> now im really confused
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792[05:20:40] <SilverBallz> which reminds me. there is a option
in my bios that is beomce a standard.
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793[05:20:47] <SilverBallz> has something to do with advertising
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794[05:20:47] <sm00th> oh ya i should say i never installed
debian on a uefi bios lmao
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796[05:21:07] <SilverBallz> and i did osme research and i think
theare working towards legalizing ad block software
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797[05:21:23] <sm00th> its in your bios?
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798[05:21:27] <SilverBallz> yep
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799[05:21:33] <sm00th> wow
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802[05:21:49] <SilverBallz> not this laptop but on a asus x53
mobo
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803[05:21:56] <sm00th> well as long as its not actually ad
block, like adblock plus cause they kind of sketchy now. ublock
origin is where its at now.
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804[05:22:07] <SilverBallz> there is the standard and the asus
alternative
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807[05:22:19] <sm00th> I don't like how asus was in cahoots
with MS to break secure boot on peoples win 7 machines.
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808[05:22:33] <sm00th> pretty messed up imo. no reason for that.
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809[05:22:33] <SilverBallz> ive always used adblock plus
development version
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810[05:22:42] <SilverBallz> well yes
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811[05:22:43] <SilverBallz> and no
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812[05:22:46] <sm00th> that must be the expert version hehe
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813[05:22:49] <SilverBallz> it has to do with tracking
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814[05:22:54] <SilverBallz> thats the odd thing
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816[05:23:22] <sm00th> i just use ublock origin, https
everywhere nowadays. an either noscript on ff, or scriptsafe on
chromium.
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817[05:23:27] <SilverBallz> it has its plus side to make for a
safer society but comes with a million negatives
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818[05:23:46] <sm00th> would make me iffy
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820[05:24:14] <SilverBallz> one sec let me find what im talking
about
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821[05:24:22] <sm00th> brb
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822[05:24:25] <SilverBallz> and whats up with adblock plus?
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823[05:24:36] <sm00th> they take money to not hide ads now
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824[05:24:41] <sm00th> and who knows what else.
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826[05:26:35] <SilverBallz> well if u uncheck the one box that
says allow some non-intrusive advertising i think that solves that
issue
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827[05:26:43] <SilverBallz> i dont see ads ever
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828[05:26:57] <SilverBallz> and i block 3rd party cookies as
well as use noscript
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830[05:27:16] <SilverBallz> lol i let the x53 boot up
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831[05:27:18] <SilverBallz> one sec brb
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836[05:33:55] <Blarg> Stupid question, I got a dpkg conffile
dialog, hit D to see the differences...now what? How to I get out of
this thing?
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839[05:34:25] <sm00th> esc, or q
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840[05:34:29] <SilverBallz> try typing y
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841[05:34:31] <SilverBallz> for yes
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842[05:34:34] <somiaj> Blarg: q, crtl-D, ctrl-C are sometimes
things that exit programs
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843[05:34:40] <sm00th> hit q
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844[05:35:15] <Blarg> OK, q did it...the third time...just
flashed the screen the first couple. Thanks.
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850[05:36:10] <SilverBallz> this bios setting is hard to find
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851[05:36:17] <sm00th> lol
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852[05:36:50] <Blarg> dist-upgrade is fun :P
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854[05:37:25] <sm00th> I was wondering is it recommended to do
dist-upgrade or upgrade?
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856[05:37:38] <somiaj> sm00th: in stable you should rarely need
to dist-upgrade
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857[05:38:02] <Blarg> I'm upgrading from Wheezy...kinda
have to dist-upgrade.
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858[05:38:05] <somiaj> sm00th: upgrade (with apt-get) will not
install or remove packages, dist upgrade will, that is the
difference. On unstable I always upgrade first then dist-upgrade
second
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859[05:38:18] <sm00th> ah ok
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860[05:38:19] <somiaj> Blarg: you read the release notes about
know issues first I hope.
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863[05:39:57] <Blarg> Eh, always going to be issues. At least
it's just a webserver, I can't use Jessie for desktop use
because of some multiarch issue with Steam and Teamviewer D:
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867[05:42:40] <Blarg> Ohfun...ideas?
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868[05:43:11] <SilverBallz> eariler gtk3/gnome issues you kind
of have to manually search an install tons of 32bit librayies.
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869[05:43:13] <somiaj> Blarg: it says something about heald
packages, do you have any held packages?
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871[05:43:28] <SilverBallz> sry for typos i change the interface
and havnt restarted client
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872[05:43:33] <Blarg> Don't think so, just finished up some
upgrading.
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873[05:43:35] <SilverBallz> so i cant see what im typing
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874[05:43:53] <Blarg> Oh, wait.
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875[05:44:07] <Blarg> apt-get upgrade says 209 not upgraded.
Naturally doesn't say why.
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876[05:44:22] <somiaj> ,v plymouth
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877[05:44:23] <judd> Package: plymouth on amd64 -- squeeze:
0.8.3-9.2; wheezy: 0.8.5.1-5; jessie: 0.9.0-9; sid: 0.9.2-3+b1;
stretch: 0.9.2-3+b1
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878[05:44:52] <somiaj> Blarg: upgrade won't install/remove
packages, so that is normal. Unsure why plymouth isn't
upgrading, is it heald?
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879[05:45:20] <Blarg> Yeah, it's part of the 209.
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881[05:45:42] <somiaj> heald packages and unoffical sources can
make it hard for apt to determine what ot upgrade
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884[05:46:56] <Blarg> Using the jessie sources. Nothing
unofficial.
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886[05:48:05] <somiaj> well figure out why plymouth won't
upgrade. Check if it is heald
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891[05:49:15] <somiaj> Blarg: what is the output of apt-cache
policy plymouth
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893[05:50:22] <Blarg> somiaj:
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896[05:51:00] <somiaj> hmm, unsure why apt won't upgrade
it, try to upgrade it first, apt-get install plymouth
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897[05:51:51] <Blarg> Every day you think you understand linux,
you learn that you don't. apt-get install plymouth is working
right now. looks like it's bringing some of the other upgrades
with it.
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898[05:52:09] <somiaj> yea it will bring the dependencies with
it, unsure why apt didn't figure this out first
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899[05:52:18] <somiaj> after that is done, try apt-get
dist-upgrade again
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900[05:52:39] <somiaj> sometimes locally installed packages can
confuse apt
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907[05:56:32] <themill> that error has nothing to do with
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909[05:56:54] <somiaj> Blarg: anyways now that you got the
plymouth to upgrade, will dist-upgrade try and upgrade the rest of
your system.
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914[05:57:13] <Blarg> somiaj: plymouth is failing to upgrade.
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916[05:57:41] <somiaj> Blarg: now it is just failing its
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917[05:58:18] <Blarg> somiaj: Then why does apt keep trying?
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919[05:58:39] <somiaj> Blarg: what do you mean, I'm just
going off the last thing you pasted
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920[05:59:14] <somiaj> Blarg: I'm unsure why it failed to
upgrade it the first time.
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921[05:59:19] <Blarg> somiaj: Well, in any case, dist-upgrade is
doing something, maybe if more packages upgrade then I will somehow
unintentionally fix this dependency problem.
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929[06:05:07] <Blarg> reboot failed to talk to init daemon.
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930[06:05:30] <Blarg> But otherwise apt seems happy, just a db5
util being held back.
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933[06:06:14] <SilverBallz> Finnaly found it. Its called
scambler setting: There is an option for 'optimized
(ASUS)' and Default (MRC)
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935[06:06:28] <SilverBallz> when i looked up MRC thats when i
found the standard information
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937[06:06:42] <SilverBallz> lots of reading but worth the look
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942[06:08:24] <sm00th> scambler?
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943[06:08:32] <SilverBallz> there is also a setting for memory
scrambler in a different place in bios i just dont think they are
exactly the same
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945[06:08:58] <sm00th> ya all google turns up is memory
scrambler
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948[06:09:40] <sm00th> sounds pretty weird man lol
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949[06:10:26] <SilverBallz> lol sure does
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950[06:11:06] <sm00th> maybe you should try to upgrade the bios
lol
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952[06:12:38] <sm00th> where did you buy that board?
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961[06:14:49] <SilverBallz> mainly because i was cheap
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962[06:14:57] <sm00th> no i mean where?
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963[06:15:02] <sm00th> at a retail store, or second hand?
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965[06:15:13] <SilverBallz> and i could upgrade for the next few
years
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966[06:15:22] <sm00th> sounds like its supposed to say scrambler
but its corrupted. does that option have a description?
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967[06:15:23] <SilverBallz> newegg
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968[06:15:47] <sm00th> i can't find any information online
about a "scambler" option, very strange.
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969[06:16:05] <SilverBallz> refurbished and with this borad
there was a intel cpu starts with an H) that needed a bios update
for it to work
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971[06:16:17] <sm00th> hmm
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972[06:16:17] <SilverBallz> so i cot it a cerlon and updated it
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973[06:16:20] <SilverBallz> works perfectly
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975[06:16:57] <SilverBallz> but...... unfornatually it has win10
so i could play fallout4 and my wife uses photoshop :x
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977[06:17:06] <sm00th> lol
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978[06:17:24] <SilverBallz> i tried dual booting but every
update tries tohalf a$$ reformat the drive
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979[06:17:30] <sm00th> ya gimp is not user friendly
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980[06:17:37] <sm00th> my mother hates it, she prefer photoshop
too
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981[06:17:46] <SilverBallz> it is if she would just get used to
it
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982[06:17:48] <SilverBallz> lol
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983[06:17:52] <sm00th> SilverBallz, does it have secureboot on?
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984[06:17:58] <sm00th> also win 10 installs in efi mode
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985[06:18:00] <SilverBallz> yes i think so
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986[06:18:09] <sm00th> you won't be able to install debian
if secureboot is on.
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987[06:18:19] <SilverBallz> ya i have deb installed in efi also
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988[06:18:21] <SilverBallz> on this one
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989[06:18:22] <sm00th> that memory scrambler option on google
says it prevents linux installs as well
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990[06:18:26] <SilverBallz> first time for me
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991[06:18:28] <sm00th> probably have to turn that off too
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992[06:18:37] <SilverBallz> interesting
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993[06:18:41] <sm00th> but this mysterious "scambler"
option you have sounds so suspicious lol
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994[06:18:44] <SilverBallz> can you share the link please
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995[06:18:50] <sm00th> sure let me find it again
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996[06:19:02] <SilverBallz> i'll see if i can find the
standard document
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998[06:19:22] <sm00th>
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999[06:19:28] <sm00th> i hate sharing http links
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1000[06:19:36] <sm00th> look at the top paragraph
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1001[06:19:37] <SilverBallz> well ty
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1002[06:19:49] <sm00th> Since BIOS version v1405 the option
“Memory Scrambler” is available and activated by
default. This option can prevent a Linux installation, i.e. the
system hangs during the installation process at non-reproducable
phases. In this case the option “Memory Scrambler”
should be disabled in the BIOS at
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1004[06:20:10] <SilverBallz> goo,gl is useful too
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1005[06:20:16] <SilverBallz> goo.gl*
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1006[06:22:27] <SilverBallz> disabled!
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1007[06:22:45] <SilverBallz> wish it explained more info
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1010[06:24:00] <sm00th> in order to install debian you will ahve
to disable secure boot too
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1012[06:24:17] <SilverBallz> this is the patient info but its not
going to show the real details
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1013[06:24:37] <SilverBallz> not even worth readin but
interesting to see the companies involved
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1016[06:27:36] <SilverBallz> the wiki article on memory reference
code (MRC) is interesting though
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1018[06:29:51] <sm00th> "Memory controllers integrated into
certain Intel Core processors additionally provide memory scrambling
feature that turns user data written to the memory into
pseudo-random patterns. As such, memory scrambling prevents forensic
and reverse-engineering analysis based on DRAM data remanence, by
effectively rendering various types of cold boot attacks
ineffective."
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1022[06:30:35] <SilverBallz> what i found was a doc that an
excuitive would write up for a presentation
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1023[06:30:40] <SilverBallz> very lengthy though
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1024[06:30:40] <sm00th> sounds pretty cool, if you are not using
linux on it, i guess leaev it on :)
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1027[06:31:07] <sm00th>
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1028[06:31:45] <sm00th> oh didn't see this line
"However, this feature has been designed to address
DRAM-related electrical problems, not to prevent security issues, so
it may not be rigorously cryptographically secure.[8]"
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1029[06:31:59] <sm00th> so wtf? lol
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1030[06:32:02] <sm00th> weird
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1031[06:32:21] <sm00th> its probably one of those features, the
gov't really doesn't want people to have
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1032[06:32:23] <SilverBallz> its only temporary. i've been a
loyal debian user since vista. no plans on keeping 10
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1034[06:32:40] <sm00th> I still use win 7, lats windows I will
ever use.
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1037[06:32:57] <SilverBallz> quite the contrary
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1038[06:33:07] <SilverBallz> i have to find this doc
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1039[06:33:20] <SilverBallz> its not supposed to be sucere
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1040[06:33:23] <SilverBallz> secure
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1041[06:33:30] <sm00th> alot of people believe corporations have
more rights then consumers
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1042[06:33:35] <SilverBallz> it has a pursoed use for tracking
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1043[06:33:41] <SilverBallz> purpose
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1044[06:33:45] <sm00th> tracking?
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1045[06:33:47] <SilverBallz> yes
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1047[06:34:08] <sm00th> you might be talking about another part
of the board
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1048[06:34:08] <SilverBallz> well the gov wants that
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1049[06:34:18] <SilverBallz> they want them to step with security
related issues
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1050[06:34:25] <SilverBallz> save the pentgon money
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1051[06:34:34] <SilverBallz> those lasers arnt cheap
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1052[06:34:36] <SilverBallz> :p
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1053[06:34:39] <somiaj> lets try to keep the converastion
somewhat debian releated
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1054[06:34:47] <sm00th> lmao
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1055[06:34:52] <sm00th> well i gotta go cya
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1056[06:34:54] <SilverBallz> lol good point somiaj sorry
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1058[06:35:30] <SilverBallz> well i still have the issue of
fixing this touchscreen?
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1063[06:37:26] <somiaj> SilverBallz: unsure the best advise for
touchscreens, have you check the Xorg.0.log?
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1066[06:39:13] <SilverBallz> yes but nothing shows up.
xinput-calibraor replies with no devices found
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1069[06:40:33] <somiaj> sounds like it is not detecting the
touchscreen
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1070[06:40:41] <somiaj> I'm unsure how the devices work so I
can't be of much help
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1071[06:40:58] <SilverBallz> this computer came with 8.1 and was
truley reformatted to 10. in the reformate i lost the key and used a
generic key and some other tools to activate windows... didnt last
long. i noticed then the touchscreen stop working and hasnt worked
since
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1072[06:41:42] <SilverBallz> not a big deal really just something
to keep me occupied
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1077[06:45:04] <SilverBallz> regarding xorg ive been trying to
understand how it works alongside wayland
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1078[06:45:48] <SilverBallz> and the machine was freezing because
of a graphics issue that seems to be fixed since lastnights updates
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1080[06:48:14] <SilverBallz> ya i dont even have Xorg.0.log any
more
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1082[06:48:42] <somiaj> I woudln't know with waylend, but in
testing/unstable if you use startx, the log will be in
$HOME/.local/log
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1084[06:49:41] <SilverBallz> only folder there is /share
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1086[06:49:48] <SilverBallz> no /log
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1087[06:51:41] <SilverBallz> its in the /share folder
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1088[06:51:43] <SilverBallz> thanks
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1090[06:52:51] <somiaj> oh not .local, .share, I'm still not
use to its location
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1091[06:52:52] <Overand> Dude... is youtube down?
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1092[06:53:15] <Overand> Videos aren't playing, and I tried
not only w/different devices, but drom different geographic
locations!
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1094[06:54:19] <somiaj> Overand: works fine here.
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1095[06:54:55] <SilverBallz> not working here
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1097[06:54:57] <Overand> somiaj: Interesting! I've tried
from canada w/windows 7 w/Chrome, and from the northeast US with
firefox and a youtube downloader
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1098[06:55:07] <Overand> somiaj: Did you actually get a videfo?
or just an ad, or the page
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1099[06:55:10] <SilverBallz> where are you somiaj?
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1102[06:55:44] <SilverBallz> streaming server is down. im in
florida a traceroute would be interesting
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1105[06:56:29] <SilverBallz> thats cool
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1106[06:56:38] <Overand>
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1107[06:56:46] <Overand> Neat!
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1108[06:57:11] <cra1g321> UK here, YT working fine
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1109[06:57:25] <SilverBallz> hahaha lets see how nutty the entire
planet gets tonight
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1113[06:58:12] <Overand> Ontario and maine are down, texas
isn't, from my testing
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1132[07:05:57] <SilverBallz> i dont even know what im looking
for. will even even use the word touchscreen in these logs?
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1134[07:06:14] <somiaj> it is an input device, so that may show
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1137[07:09:39] <SilverBallz> i do know it was working on jessie.
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1138[07:10:03] <somiaj> libinput is changing things in testing,
but not sure what
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1139[07:10:12] <SilverBallz> i found some information on both
touchpad and touchscreen. they are using the same drivers i think
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1141[07:10:27] <somiaj> yea I think they all use libinput now
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1142[07:11:39] <SilverBallz> i take it that replaces xinput?
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1144[07:13:29] <SilverBallz> might as well install libinput-tools
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1153[07:19:28] <somiaj> SilverBallz: xinput is just a utility,
that will still work. This is the backend drivers that are being
used
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1154[07:19:31] <SilverBallz> i can only find one line that
mentions the word touchscreen. everything else is touchpad.
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1155[07:20:03] <SilverBallz> i see. i was wondering if there was
a kernel driver i'm missing.
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1156[07:20:06] <somiaj> xserver-xorg-input-all pulls in a bunch
of different drivers on jessie, and I think they are being unified
in libinput and expanded on to deal with input devices like touch
screen
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1157[07:20:14] <somiaj> but I'm unsure on the actual
details, I only pick up bits and piecess.
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1158[07:20:16] <SilverBallz> i did a targeted install if i
remember correctly
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1159[07:20:37] <SilverBallz> same here
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1160[07:21:00] <somiaj> the kernel drives are usually not an
issue with input devices, if they are usb they use the usb hid and
that seems to work fairly well. I'm unsure what touch pads use,
but I think the issue is more xorg dealing with them then the kernel
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1162[07:21:23] <somiaj> you are running testing/unstable?
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1163[07:21:58] <SilverBallz> testing yes
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1165[07:22:34] <somiaj> SilverBallz: have you tried some of this
advice,
replaced-url
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1166[07:22:49] <somiaj> SilverBallz: such as less
/proc/bus/input/devices (i.e. do you see your touchscreen)
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1167[07:22:53] <SilverBallz> ofcourse thats the first result on
google isnt it?
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1168[07:22:56] <SilverBallz> lol
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1169[07:23:21] <SilverBallz> ive been trying to figure this out
for at least a month
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1171[07:25:25] <SilverBallz> nope just the touchpad
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1172[07:25:40] <somiaj> well there is the first thing to do is
figure out if the kernel can detect the device
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1173[07:25:56] <SilverBallz> you know what. i think i need to
take the case of the laptop and make sure the cable is pluged in
correctly
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1174[07:26:16] <SilverBallz> it shows touchpad
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1175[07:26:22] <SilverBallz> just not touchscreen
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1176[07:26:23] <SilverBallz> confusing
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1179[07:27:48] <somiaj> well does the laptop also have a
touchpad?
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1180[07:28:10] <SilverBallz> yes but i normally disable it in
bios
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1181[07:28:18] <SilverBallz> not sure why its not disabled now
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1182[07:28:44] <SilverBallz> probably reset bios when i installed
testing on here
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1184[07:29:07] <SilverBallz> ya i have a strange feeling i need
to take this thing apart
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1185[07:29:16] <SilverBallz> brb
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1206[07:43:12] <SilverBallz> that wasn't it either but i had
to check. i dont think the touchpad has anything to do with the
touchscreen
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1209[07:43:52] <SilverBallz> and also i disabled touchpad in bios
and now i'm not seeing using the less command
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1211[07:44:06] <SilverBallz> checking xorg.0.log now
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1213[07:46:02] <SilverBallz> nothing there either
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1217[07:47:47] <SilverBallz> from what i could tell the
touchscreen cable is part of the monitor cable seprate from the
touchpad
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1221[07:50:01] <SilverBallz> so why would it not show up in
/proc/bus/input/devices
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1223[07:51:44] <SilverBallz> it was way easier fixing wifi back
in 1999
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1235[07:55:51] <SilverBallz> i dont even know hot to debug this
kind of issue
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1236[07:56:06] <SilverBallz> how to*
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1250[08:06:10] <somiaj> SilverBallz: it sounds like the kernel is
not detecting the touchscreen. As to why I don't know.
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1251[08:06:11] <SilverBallz> maybe if i run jessie on a live
installation it might work?
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1252[08:06:25] <SilverBallz> might as well try it im running out
of ideas
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1253[08:06:41] <somiaj> you could test if it works in jessie on a
live system and if it works determine what drivers/etc it uses
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1349[09:22:42] <kosc_> Hello.
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1350[09:22:48] <kosc_> I'm trying to login as user
'admin' with su. And just see current date. But when I
logging in as any other user, it's ok.
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1351[09:22:55] <kosc_> Debian 7.0
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1358[09:28:43] <xormor> kosc_, root
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1364[09:32:48] <kosc_> xormor: I'm already a root user.
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1365[09:32:59] <kosc_> I need to run script from user
'admin'.
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1366[09:33:11] <kosc_> But can't do that.
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1367[09:33:21] <kosc_> root@s2e24df4f:~# su - admin
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1368[09:33:21] <kosc_> Sat Jun 18 10:26:36 MSK 2016
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1369[09:33:21] <kosc_> root@s2e24df4f:~# su -
replaced-url
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1370[09:33:21] <kosc_> $
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1372[09:33:26] <hexnewbie> Does the upgrade from Iceweasel to
Firefox change the default search engine to Google, or did I do
something wrong?
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1380[09:40:08] <SilverBallz> for one
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1381[09:40:19] <SilverBallz> kosc you should use su -u
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1383[09:40:36] <SilverBallz> ur missing the login perm
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1384[09:41:03] <SilverBallz> forget the second try using su -u
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1385[09:41:26] <SilverBallz> iceweasel what search engin are you
looking for yahoo?
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1386[09:41:42] <SilverBallz> and no yahoo has paid for default
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1387[09:41:46] <SilverBallz> apon install
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1388[09:41:56] <SilverBallz> but you can change it in preferences
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1390[09:42:31] <SilverBallz> im tired, sorry for lazy scroll
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1393[09:44:16] <kosc_> I've found some strange lines on
/etc/passwd and for now I know the reasons of my issue.
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1395[09:44:22] <SilverBallz> kosc why are u trying to sign into
your computer using a webserver group?
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1396[09:44:31] <kosc_> Here is /bin/date instead of bash.
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1397[09:44:36] <hexnewbie> I've had DuckDuckGo as default on
all three computer, though I hadn't started Iceweasel/Firefox
for a while. After upgrading to Firefox ESR 45.2.0, on one of those
it is Google, on one of those it is still DDG, and one I
haven't checked yet. So I was wondering if that happened to
anybody else
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1398[09:44:39] <kosc_> Thanks to all.
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1400[09:45:04] <SilverBallz> ixquick is cool too
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1402[09:45:20] <SilverBallz> bin/dash?
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1403[09:45:27] <SilverBallz> hes up to something
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1405[09:47:45] <SilverBallz> hexnewbie, interesting did any of
your other preferences get saved?
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1407[09:48:40] <SilverBallz> as long as nothing was moved or
deleted in home/.mozillia it should have stayed the same
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1408[09:48:50] <hexnewbie> SilverBallz: All that I care about
(though I use Firefox as a secondary browser, so I may have not
noticed some)
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1411[09:51:19] <hexnewbie> Hm. I do have daily backups of
~/.mozilla for a month back, so I could check. Not that I know what
I would be checking for.
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1419[09:55:15] <SilverBallz> are you in a computer club?
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1436[10:04:01] <unborn> SilverBallz: perhaps your device is not
fully supported? im about touch screen
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1439[10:10:33] <hexnewbie> SilverBallz: No. I just checked the
backups. The option browser.search.defaultenginename disappeared
completely from prefs.js after 2016-06-10. Looking at the diff, it
seems to be one of the few options to do so.
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1441[10:11:52] <hexnewbie> In fact, it's the only option to
disappear. The browser.search.selectedEngine (not sure if that
option does anything), hasn't changed.
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1447[10:16:35] <SilverBallz> unborn: it did work when i first
bought the computer. it came with win8.1 and the first thing i did
was install debian (jessie). worked out of the box. super proud i
was
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1448[10:17:09] <SilverBallz> i ended up upgrading 8.1 to ten
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1449[10:17:12] <SilverBallz> well
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1450[10:17:50] <SilverBallz> reformatting with win10 i should say
and lost the key. attempted to activated the wrong way and thats the
last i remember the touch screen working
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1452[10:18:23] <hexnewbie> I can reproduce the issue. Restoring
the backup of my Firefox/IW profile from any day before I upgraded
to Firefox, and the default search engine gets removed from prefs.js
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1453[10:18:31] <unborn> SilverBallz: you may re-download debian 8
and have look what drivers you are using.. then you upgrade to 8.5
and install driver and see
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1455[10:19:22] <SilverBallz> ya i just torrented a stable live
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1456[10:19:37] <SilverBallz> we will see
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1457[10:20:00] <SilverBallz> otherwise this whoe uefi bios is
some real crap
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1460[10:22:25] <Haxxa> Can anyone help me with apache #httpd is
quiet?
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1463[10:24:11] <SilverBallz> hexnewbie, just part of the update
process my friend.
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1465[10:24:27] <Wulf> Haxxa: if you don't ask a a question,
you won't get answers.
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1466[10:24:28] <SilverBallz> just readd duckduckgo
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1467[10:24:33] <hexnewbie> SilverBallz: Still, that didn't
happen on my work computer.
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1468[10:24:45] <SilverBallz> there might be a little icon in the
urlbar or search to add it quickly
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1469[10:24:47] <fredl> Wulf - that's a question he asked,
right?
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1470[10:25:11] <Wulf> fredl: are you sure?
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1471[10:25:22] <SilverBallz> or check this out
replaced-url
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1473[10:25:50] <hexnewbie> I suspect it can be because
"DuckDuckGo" comes with the Firefox package (I believe)
and didn't get removed, and "DuckDuckGo (SSL)" is one
I added some years in the past.
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1475[10:26:01] <SilverBallz> no two devices are ever exactly the
same
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1476[10:26:07] <SilverBallz> even in the manufacturing process
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1477[10:26:11] <SilverBallz> ;)
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1478[10:26:24] <SilverBallz> brb
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1481[10:27:21] <SilverBallz> ya i think i remember it here when i
first installed testing
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1482[10:27:29] <SilverBallz> i use firefox developer the most
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1484[10:27:54] <SilverBallz> or nightly
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1502[10:37:41] <unborn> hexnewbie: its odd but it can happen
sometimes.. specially due to changes in source code
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1510[10:42:33] <TheQuestionmark> What's wrong if apt wants
to install newer packages or libs for something than those available
in the official repos + backports?
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1521[10:50:46] <H4ndy> TheQuestionmark: check your sources.list
file for other repostories
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1522[10:50:58] <H4ndy> apt does not get packages out of thin air
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1528[10:52:23] <TheQuestionmark> H4ndy: Well, backports,
Mozilla's mozilla.debian.net, Deb Multimedia, Virtualbox and
some not uised SteamOS repo.
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1532[10:54:27] <H4ndy> TheQuestionmark: use apt-cache showpkg
<package> to find out from which repo the file's comming
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1537[10:56:40] <TheQuestionmark> H4ndy: Sorry for the meta
question but does it matter that I'm using a German
installation? That's basically what holds me back from asking
for help here. Otherwise, it loos like this ->
replaced-url
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1539[10:57:55] <H4ndy> I don't see any issues here, most of
those libs come from your deb multimedia repository
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1540[10:58:53] <TheQuestionmark> H4ndy: Interesting, never though
it to deliever dev-files and such for sdl2 and the likes.
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1542[10:59:32] <H4ndy> some seem to be pulled in by other
packages, maybe the depencies changed for them
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1548[11:00:57] <H4ndy> I guess the newly to install
libqt4-opengl-dev, libboost and some others might pull all that
stuff in
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1549[11:01:19] <H4ndy> if you don't want that, you need to
find out which package is trying to demand them
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1565[11:11:23] <XeonSquared> So uh, I've made a custom live
CD with debian-installer, I've put pool and dists and install
on the ISO, but when it gets to 'install the base system'
in the installer, it tells me 'Debootstrap Error'
'Failed to determine the codename for the release'
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1581[11:24:48] <SilverBallz> TheQuestionmark, i thought deb
multimedia was no longer supported?
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1582[11:25:46] <markybob> it's never been supported
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1584[11:25:49] <markybob> !deb multimedia
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1585[11:25:50] <dpkg> We recommend against using
deb-multimedia.org; these unofficial packages are known to cause
many hard to debug problems. They are not in Debian either because
the they are poor in quality or for legal reasons. See
replaced-url
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1586[11:26:59] <SilverBallz> XeonSquared, can you past your
source.list probably line 1
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1587[11:27:07] <SilverBallz> paste*
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1603[11:33:01] <XeonSquared> SilverBallz: deb
replaced-url
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1604[11:33:03] <XeonSquared> that's the whole file
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1605[11:33:37] <SilverBallz>
replaced-url
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1607[11:34:04] <XeonSquared> right
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1608[11:34:06] <SilverBallz> ya i'm pretty sure you need
lines 1 and 3
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1609[11:34:16] <XeonSquared> huh
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1610[11:34:17] <XeonSquared> lemme try
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1611[11:34:31] <SilverBallz> and maybe one more but for
jessie/stable
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1612[11:35:12] <SilverBallz> and you may need deb-src for
installation but i dont know for soure
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1614[11:35:22] <SilverBallz> sure*
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1617[11:37:03] <XeonSquared> nope didn't help
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1622[11:40:17] <XeonSquared>
replaced-url
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1625[11:40:35] <Princess||Dashie> HI
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1626[11:40:39] <Princess||Dashie> ANYBUDY?
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1628[11:41:11] <XeonSquared> 18 seconds
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1629[11:41:18] <XeonSquared> wait 28
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1638[11:43:37] <hexadecimal> Hello Debianeros
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1647[11:49:35] <XeonSquared> uh
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1648[11:49:36] <XeonSquared> okay then
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1649[11:49:49] <XeonSquared> if I tell it to specify a mirror
it'll install
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1650[11:49:53] <XeonSquared> I don't have to specify a suite
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1669[11:59:16] <XeonSquared> well that's progress, GRUB
doesn't work but it did install
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1671[12:01:37] <TheQuestionmark> H4ndy: Still no changes, even
with deb multimedia disabled.
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1672[12:02:13] <TheQuestionmark> SilverBallz: So? I did add the
repo for the sake of dvd playback.
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1696[12:15:00] <Meerkat> will the nvidia driver version for
jessie be updated at some point?
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1697[12:15:22] <markybob> no. jessie-backports maybe
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1699[12:15:52] <Meerkat> that is what I meant, yea. backports.
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1708[12:19:14] <`slikts> how do I find out which package a tool
belongs to?
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1709[12:19:19] <`slikts> like nslookup or dig
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1711[12:19:25] <`slikts> aside from googling
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1713[12:19:36] <`slikts> meaning, is there a specific tool for
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1714[12:19:52] <markybob> `slikts: apt-file search
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1719[12:21:22] <`slikts> markybob, fantastic, thanks
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1720[12:21:24] <`slikts> that worked
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1721[12:21:27] <`slikts> so it's dnsutils
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1723[12:23:35] <`slikts> also, what's a good tool to set up
multiple systems the same way?
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1726[12:23:55] <`slikts> puppet?
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1727[12:24:04] <nevyn> slax0r: nslookup is deprecated btw use
host
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1729[12:24:22] <`slikts> yes slax0r, stop using nslookup
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1731[12:24:24] <nevyn> `slikts: depends how you mean the same way
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1733[12:24:31] <`slikts> nevyn, same dotfiles at least
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1734[12:24:32] <Johann> `slikts: you can have a look at chef,
puppet, ansible, fai, ...
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1735[12:24:37] <nevyn> clonezilla, FAI lots of things
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1737[12:24:47] <Johann> fai ispretty good if you need to automate
the installs
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1738[12:24:49] * nevyn likes puppet
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1739[12:25:03] <`slikts> which ones are more simple? I don't
really need much power
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1741[12:25:06] <Johann> chef puppet or ansible are nice tools if
you need to automate the management of the systems post install
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1742[12:25:09] <nevyn> but it's the running state
enforcement and reporting that make it awesome
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1743[12:25:19] <nevyn> and changes
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1749[12:25:56] <Johann> `slikts: you can also you fanterm and
fanout if you only need to do basics task at the same time on
multiple systems
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1750[12:25:57] <nevyn> so when security say we have revised the
seucirty standards and now as well asdoing the things AD does
minimum length is 15chars
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1751[12:26:01] <nevyn> you can push that stuff
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1752[12:26:48] <SilverBallz> TheQuestionmark, wish you would have
waited
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1753[12:27:02] <SilverBallz> let me get you the offical ones from
debian
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1755[12:27:23] <SilverBallz> libdvdcss2
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1756[12:27:31] <SilverBallz> thats all you needed to do
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1758[12:28:09] <TheQuestionmark> I thought Debian never had those
in their repos which is why I use deb multimedia in the first place.
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1761[12:28:21] <monkey33> hi, could someone please point me in
the right direction? i'm trying to upgrade my debian squeeze
server to whatever is the latest, but i can't get past apt-get
update without 404s
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1763[12:28:37] <SilverBallz> Merrkat... :whispers: just use the
nvidia latest drivers...
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1767[12:29:02] <c-c> monkey33: your connection?
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1769[12:29:10] <c-c> monkey33: ping google.com?
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1771[12:29:14] <SilverBallz> and add coolbits setting to x config
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1772[12:29:47] <TheQuestionmark> Well SilverBallz, what can I
still do to fix this mess? Package management is the worst thing for
me on Debian obviously.
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1774[12:30:20] <monkey33> i think i have to update my
/etc/apt/sources.list but i don't know what to
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1777[12:31:10] <nevyn> !nvidia-installer
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1778[12:31:11] <dpkg> well, nvidia-installer is a clever
cross-platform way of installing nvidia's proprietary drivers,
which works fine on systems with stupid package managers (i.e. not
so good with Debian). More specifically, prone to dying if any X or
kernel-related packages are upgraded or removed. Ask me about
<nvidia-graphics-drivers> instead. See also <why
nvidia-installer sucks>, <remove nvidia-installer>.
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1780[12:31:54] <markybob> yeah that sounds great
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1781[12:31:59] <SilverBallz> same here. i havnt stopped braking
stuff since i first install this beloved os
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1783[12:32:30] <monkey33> is there a way to upgrade debian
without breaking EVERYTHING?
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1784[12:32:48] * TheQuestionmark is a terrible sysadmin as it seems
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1785[12:33:11] <SilverBallz> you can purge or remove what ever
you installed with the deb media stuff
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1787[12:33:18] <TheQuestionmark> monkey33: Stay with stable and
don't add any fancy repos or libs except those from backports
perhaps.
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1788[12:33:38] <monkey33> what are repos and libs
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1789[12:33:41] <SilverBallz> nah brother most bad sysadmins are
windows users
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1790[12:33:42] <monkey33> i just want to host a web server
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1791[12:33:45] <TheQuestionmark> Wish I could do so as well but
back in the Squeeze and Wheezy days, certain things still looked
different.
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1792[12:33:46] <monkey33> i'm not a geek
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1794[12:34:00] <c-c> monkey33: "upgrade debian"
doesn't make sense, what exactly do you mean?
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1795[12:34:12] <monkey33> c-c: i have debian squeeze installed
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1796[12:34:17] <monkey33> i cant do apt-get update or apt-get
upgrade
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1797[12:34:17] <c-c> monkey33: ok?
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1798[12:34:22] <monkey33> it spits out gibberish 404 errors
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1799[12:34:31] <c-c> monkey33: so what does ping google.com say?
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1800[12:34:33] <monkey33> and lots of libraries require software
packages at greater versions than i have
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1802[12:34:36] <monkey33> or am able to upgrade
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1803[12:34:40] <c-c> monkey33: google "404 error"
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1804[12:34:44] <SilverBallz> squeeze is awesome, now install
apahche or light something... as ur httpd
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1805[12:34:46] <monkey33> 64 bytes from 144.131.80.183:
icmp_seq=0 ttl=60 time=25.121 ms
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1807[12:34:58] <monkey33> c-c: i know what a 404 error is
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1808[12:35:07] <monkey33> the problem is that squeeze lts has
ended, i believe
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1809[12:35:09] <c-c> monkey33: ok, so you edited sources.list and
now it doesn't work
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1810[12:35:13] <monkey33> so everything in apt.list points to
404s now
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1811[12:35:15] <monkey33> sources.list*
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1812[12:35:22] <c-c> monkey33: open synaptic, and use it to add
your repo sources
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1813[12:35:23] <monkey33> c-c: no, i have not
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1814[12:35:24] <monkey33> are you okay?
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1815[12:35:27] <markybob> monkey33: that's because squeeze
got moved to archive
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1816[12:35:38] <monkey33> is there a link that will guide me
through it? :)
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1818[12:36:28] <markybob> !tell monkey33 about squeeze->wheezy
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1819[12:37:02] <monkey33> oh thanks markybob :)
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1820[12:37:03] <monkey33> i'll try that
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1821[12:37:09] <monkey33> cheers
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1870[13:13:20] <geigerCounter> Hello all. I'm having a
moment of serious dumb with a C program I'm coding.
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1871[13:13:32] <geigerCounter> I set up a typdef struct, right?
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1874[13:14:28] <geigerCounter> typedef struct { /* vars */ }
Player; Cos I'm making a game. Then I set up an array of that
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1877[13:15:35] <geigerCounter> Then I have functions to do all
the movement stuff for each player, like this: void move_left(Player
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1880[13:16:23] <abrotman> geigerCounter: why not ask ##c ?
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1882[13:16:46] <geigerCounter> abrotman: Because I didn't
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1883[13:16:49] <geigerCounter> Thanks.
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1916[13:30:14] <woshty> Is there a LUKS channel somewhere?
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1962[13:56:11] <sgflt> i can't get vaapi to work on
broadwell: libva error: va_getDriverName() failed with unknown libva
error,driver_name=(null) -- do i need to configure the package
somehow?
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1965[13:57:45] <teraflops> sgflt: that's the output of
vainfo?
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1970[13:59:46] <sgflt> teraflops: yes, let me paste the full
output
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1971[13:59:52] <teraflops> sgflt: no
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1972[13:59:59] <sgflt> teraflops: (not in here, of course)
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1973[14:00:08] <teraflops> sgflt: what did you install for
getting vaapi?
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1974[14:00:17] <teraflops> I mean the packages
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1977[14:01:20] <teraflops> sgflt: and your gpu is intel right?
which model exactly?
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1980[14:01:46] <sgflt> libva1, libva1-{drm1, glx1, wayland1, x11}
were installed; i install vainfo manually and i965-va-driver
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1981[14:02:15] <sgflt> cpumodel is Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-5200U,
which is a broadwell CPU as far as i can tell
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1983[14:02:26] <teraflops> sgflt: what does "i install
vainfo manually" mean?
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1984[14:02:34] <sgflt> hd graphics 5500
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1985[14:02:52] <sgflt> teraflops: as in i ran apt-get to install
it, the other packages were probably installed automatically as
dependencies
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1986[14:02:57] <teraflops> sgflt: ah
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1987[14:02:59] <teraflops> ok
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1993[14:04:02] <sgflt> i can't find all the -dbg symbols
(i'm trying to single-step through vainfo, to see why it
returns -1 von va_getDriverName())
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1997[14:05:26] <sgflt> what's worrying me a bit is that
after googling, i saw that it should "try" to load some
.so files (and, i think, report doing so), but it doesn't. this
is the full output:
replaced-url
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2000[14:06:14] <teraflops> sgflt: you have hw accel and glxinfo
shows Mesa DRI?
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2003[14:07:33] <teraflops> sgflt: also, you want to install
libva-intel-vaapi-driver or the dbg one
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2004[14:07:35] <sgflt> teraflops: glxinfo says client glx vendor
string: Mesa Project and SGI
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2006[14:07:47] <teraflops> it picks the one you need
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2007[14:07:56] <teraflops> sgflt: hmm
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2008[14:08:02] <sgflt> teraflops: Note, selecting
'i965-va-driver' instead of
'libva-intel-vaapi-driver'
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2009[14:08:26] <teraflops> yeah it's a virtual package
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2010[14:08:43] <teraflops> sgflt: try `LIBVA_DRIVER_NAME=i965
vainfo`
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2011[14:09:11] <sgflt> i have and it does not change anything
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2013[14:09:30] <sgflt> mainly because of lines 465ff in va.c
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2014[14:09:37] <teraflops> ^
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2015[14:09:46] <teraflops> sgflt: please try
`LIBVA_DRIVER_NAME=i965 vainfo`
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2016[14:09:53] <sgflt> LIBVA_DRIVER_NAME=i965 vainfo --> same
output
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2017[14:09:56] <teraflops> ah
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2021[14:10:18] <teraflops> sgflt: are you in stock non mixed
repos deian jessie?
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2022[14:10:27] <teraflops> debian*
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2023[14:10:48] <sgflt> yes
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2024[14:10:52] <teraflops> hmm
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2027[14:11:24] <sgflt> i run a few extra archs and have
jessie-backports enabled
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2029[14:11:55] <sgflt> but package versions are from jessie
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2033[14:12:37] <sgflt> the env-variable does not do a thing, if
you look at the source, it is used like this: if ((VA_STATUS_SUCCESS
== vaStatus) && driver_name_env && (geteuid() ==
getuid())) {
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2034[14:12:49] <sgflt> but vaStatus is -1 at that point already
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2035[14:13:35] <teraflops> sgflt: no idea then
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2039[14:15:37] <teraflops> sgflt: hmm you have
xserver-xorg-video-intel?
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2041[14:16:18] <sgflt> already installed
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2042[14:16:20] <teraflops> sgflt: if yes, give a try to
modesetting then
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2044[14:17:14] <sgflt> hmm, how exactly?
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2050[14:18:45] <teraflops> sgflt: you uninstall xf86-video..
intel, move any custom /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/ or xorg.conf files away
and restart
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2054[14:19:28] <teraflops> sgflt: you have libgl1-mesa-dri
installed too right?
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2059[14:21:24] <sgflt> i have no xorg.conf or xorg.conf.d at all.
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2060[14:21:38] <teraflops> move away != erasin is just for
checking the modesetting support, it usually performs better thatn
the xf86 video driver
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2061[14:21:43] <sgflt> libgl1-mesa-dri is installed
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2063[14:22:22] <hektabyte> Guys, I have a huge problem. I
reinserted my hard drive and now I can't boot my Debian.
Windows Boot Manager only shows up.
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2065[14:22:26] <teraflops> yeah give a try to modesetting, you
can revert it re-installing the xorg video intel driver
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2068[14:22:36] <sgflt> alright, brb
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2071[14:23:34] <hektabyte> Which doesn't make any sence. I
think that an upgrade killed the GRUB. So how do I restore it?
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2072[14:24:20] <xormor> hektabyte, grub-install and update-grub
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2075[14:24:31] <hektabyte> Using a Live USB?
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2076[14:24:51] <xormor> hektabyte, yes
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2079[14:26:16] <hektabyte> I'll try this first from Windows
and let you guys know - bcdedit /set {bootmgr} path
\EFI\debian\grubx64.efi
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2082[14:26:39] <sgflt> teraflops: purged the xorg-..intel module,
rebooted. stil have graphics and all, but same problem with vainfo
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2083[14:26:45] <teraflops> hmm
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2085[14:27:03] <teraflops> sgflt: i run out of ideas :S
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2086[14:27:11] <sgflt> damnit
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2088[14:27:13] <sgflt> =)
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2097[14:28:43] <sgflt> i'm trying to build the package from
source so i can patch it a little bit; however it seems that
it's not that easy if you have gcc 4.8 (required by the kernel)
and 4.9 installed
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2113[14:32:20] <teraflops> sgflt: hmm, tried with xorg-video
intel from backports?
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2115[14:32:57] <sgflt> not yet
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2119[14:34:05] <sgflt> when altering the source of a package, how
can i debuild to ignore patches and all and just recompile and
package again?
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2126[14:38:19] <jak2000> hi all
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2127[14:38:53] <jak2000> wich is the official guide for connect
with a key file? form server 1 to server 2 i am interested in use
scp command
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2136[14:41:49] <nkuttler> !tell jak2000 about ssh without
password
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2138[14:42:47] <sgflt> teraflops: installing xorg..intel and
libvd1 from jessie-backports magically fixed it
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2148[14:47:17] <sgflt> teraflops: full screen twitch video still
uses 180% cpu; is that how things should be or can i verify if
acceleration is working somehow? vainfo works now, and vdpauinfo
looks as well
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2153[14:49:30] <sgflt> teraflops: it's a html5 player issue.
so i guess it works (when using flash -.-)
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2154[14:49:36] <sgflt> teraflops: thank you for the support =)
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2156[14:50:20] <jak2000> i changed the name of the server in
/etc/hostname file to Itsol in varios times i get this warning
message "sudo: unable to resolve host Itsol" why? any
advice
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2162[14:53:05] <jak2000> and how to know if i have debian whezzy
or jessie? (i buy a vps and only say: Debian 8
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2164[14:53:31] <abrotman> lsb_release -a
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2166[14:54:46] <jak2000> 8.5 jessie
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2168[14:55:14] <jak2000> thanks, why i get warning message when
changed the hostname need modify too in other place?
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2169[14:55:38] <teraflops> sgflt: ah nice
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2172[14:56:51] <teraflops> sgflt: for twitch use mpv (ytdl hook),
then you get vaapi working with hwdec=vaapi vo=vaapi
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2175[14:58:32] <teraflops> jak2000: yes, in /etc/hosts too
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2181[15:02:56] <sgflt> teraflops: mpv plays downloaded twitch
vids with 30-70% cpu (vaapi/opengl/x11)
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2182[15:03:06] <sgflt> teraflops: but chromium/chrome is a
different story still
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2184[15:03:40] <teraflops> sgflt: which codec?
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2185[15:04:09] <sgflt> teraflops: h264 on the downloaded video
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2186[15:04:21] <sgflt> teraflops: currently trying to figure out
the codec on twitch
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2188[15:04:37] <sgflt> teraflops: stream is mp2t, but i'm
guessing there's a another video codec inside there
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2191[15:05:38] <teraflops> sgflt: 30-70% looks pretty bad for
mpv, my cpu stays intact when doing twitch via mpv
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2192[15:05:54] <sgflt> teraflops: mpv can play twitch?
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2194[15:06:17] <teraflops> yeah
replaced-url
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2195[15:06:45] <sgflt> woa
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2196[15:07:08] <teraflops> just install youtube-dl
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2197[15:07:29] <teraflops> mpv has a hook aka it talks ytdl
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2200[15:08:01] <sgflt> Failed to recognize file format. still. is
the hook included in the youtube-dl pkg?
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2201[15:08:15] <teraflops> afaik you just install youtube-dl
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2202[15:08:22] <teraflops> and mpv
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2204[15:08:56] <teraflops> sgflt: then e.g `mpv "replaced-url
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2205[15:09:23] <sgflt> teraflops: tried with that exact uri,
still getting Failed to recognize file format. will try with
backports
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2213[15:15:29] <TheQuestionmark> Note - Debian forum users are
worthless when it comes to ask for help.
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2214[15:17:00] <jak2000> teraflops: 127.0.0.1 localhost change
this line by 127.0.0.1 ItSol?
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2216[15:17:25] <teraflops> jak2000: right
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2218[15:17:32] <sgflt> teraflops: i'm not sure how you got
it working with the youtube-dl package; it only works for me using
pipes and running the latest youtube dl via PyPI
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2220[15:18:04] <teraflops> sgflt: oh I do ytdl via pip
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2221[15:18:25] <teraflops> sgflt: sorry for not mentioning it
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2222[15:18:27] <sgflt> teraflops: the version in the deb repos
has a bug that causes -o- to fail on twitch
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2223[15:18:48] <sgflt> teraflops: however, mpv integration is
still not working. may i ask what mpv version you use?
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2225[15:19:02] <jak2000> on /etc/hosts all say: localhots change
by Itsol right?
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2226[15:19:02] <teraflops> sgflt: let me see
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2227[15:19:08] <sgflt> teraflops: i'm on mpv 0.6.2 (C)
2000-2014 mpv/MPlayer/mplayer2 projects
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2228[15:19:24] <jak2000> nkuttler:
replaced-url
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2235[15:19:54] <teraflops> sgflt: I compile it
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2236[15:19:57] <teraflops> it's 0.17.0
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2237[15:20:22] <teraflops> ,v mpv
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2238[15:20:23] <judd> Package: mpv on amd64 -- jessie: 0.6.2-2;
stretch: 0.14.0-1+b2; sid: 0.14.0-1+b2; jessie-multimedia:
1:0.8.3-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 1:0.17.0-dmo2
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2241[15:20:59] <teraflops> hmm im curios im going to try jessie
packages
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2243[15:21:04] <teraflops> curious*
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2246[15:21:37] <sgflt> i'd give sid a try, but that'll
probably pull in a crapton of media-library dependencies =/
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2247[15:21:47] <teraflops> sgflt: ehhh wait :P
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2248[15:21:55] <teraflops> heh
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2252[15:22:54] <jak2000> teraflops?
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2253[15:24:05] <sgflt> teraflops: the --ytdl options isn't
in my flags or manpage, so i'm guessing it got added later
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2255[15:24:50] <teraflops> jak2000: you asked if you has to
change the hostname in other places, I said: yes in /etc/hosts so
the current hostname matches the line 127.0.0.1 .... hostname
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2257[15:25:04] <teraflops> sgflt: indeed
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2258[15:25:56] <teraflops> oh shit my stock jessie qemu image has
to install a bunch of updates
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2279[15:38:06] <SilverBallz> So the touchscreen is fixed. Live CD
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set up for win7 and not win8.x
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2280[15:38:30] <SilverBallz> who would have thought huh
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2295[15:49:10] <g00se> Is it OK to use mke2fs to set a label
while the device is mounted and in use?
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2299[15:50:27] <hexnewbie> g00se: I assume you mean tune2fs?
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2301[15:50:42] <Serialbox> # tune2fs -L whatever /dev/sda2
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2303[15:50:55] <Serialbox> and yes, you can use tune2fs on a live
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2305[15:51:53] <g00se> Sorry yes, thanks
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2307[15:52:06] <Serialbox> e2label works too :)
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2326[16:01:17] <azswa> hi, trying to preseed language to
installation of 8.5. d-i localechooser/languagelist select en
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2357[16:23:37] <jak2000> i want eecute a 'make' but get
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2360[16:25:11] <markybob> you could apt-get install make :P but
you should apt-get install build-essential
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2411[17:00:37] <Vanfanel> I did something stupid and deinstalled
apt on my Debian system. How can I reinstall it? I can use dpkg,
but... how can I get the .deb for apt for my distro?
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2412[17:01:00] <abrotman> wget
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2413[17:01:29] <Vanfanel> abrotman: yes, but... where are the
.deb packages of apt?
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2414[17:01:47] <markybob> do you actually mean apt or are you
talking about apt-get?
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2415[17:01:54] <abrotman> Vanfanel: use a web browser,get the URL
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2418[17:03:29] <zykotick9> Vanfanel: you could check if the deb
is still in /var/cache/apt/archives/
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2420[17:03:47] <Vanfanel> abrotman: yes, well, Raspbian packages
are supposed to be here:
replaced-url
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2421[17:03:50] <markybob> Vanfanel:
replaced-url
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2422[17:04:23] <Vanfanel> markybob: I am on raspbian (arm) but
that gives me the route.. lets see :)
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2423[17:04:51] <themill> Vanfanel: and that's why you really
should be asking #raspbian
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2424[17:04:51] <markybob> Vanfanel:
replaced-url
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2425[17:05:01] <markybob> that too
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2426[17:05:47] <Vanfanel> themill: as far as I can see, routes
are the almost the same
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2429[17:07:54] <themill> and yet the URLs you were given were not
correct
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2432[17:10:21] <Vanfanel> themill: as far as I can see, raspbian
apt packages are in
replaced-url
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2433[17:10:37] <themill> Vanfanel: #raspbian is over there →
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2435[17:11:15] <Vanfanel> ok, ok, it's a debian system
anyway
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2436[17:11:31] <themill> no
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2478[17:31:36] <windows10_user> hello, tell pencilandpaper i said
hi
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2527[17:54:00] <eikasem> how can i list all build-dep for a
package minus those installed, without resolving dependencies?
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2530[17:56:07] <eikasem> also, where can i find the documentation
for apt options? i was searching for one specifig option. no luck
with man -K Build-Dep-Automatic , none with find /usr/share/doc
-name "*gz" -print0 | xargs -0 zgrep
'Build-Dep-Automatic'
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2533[17:58:23] <eikasem> it looks like what i am looking for is
an exhaustive list of apt "configuraton items"
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2540[18:00:33] <somiaj> eikasem: I don't think you can see
that list with out trying to install. But why not just do a
--dry-run
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2542[18:00:43] <somiaj> eikasem: apt-get --dry-run build-dep
packagename
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2543[18:00:58] <somiaj> eikasem: that will list everything that
needs to be installed (and do some other stuff)
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2545[18:01:36] <somiaj> eikasem: as for apt_preferences you can
man apt_preferences or check /usr/share/doc/apt-doc/ (if you ahve
the apt-doc package installed)
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2549[18:02:56] <eikasem> somiaj: it includes dependencies. i am
only interested in the packages $packagename depends on. basically
what for example
replaced-url
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2550[18:03:06] <eikasem> somiaj: minus those installed
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2554[18:04:06] <eikasem> somiaj: apt-doc only contains a short
guide, apt_preferences does not contain the configuration items
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2557[18:04:44] <eikasem> comgot: the closest i have found is
apt.conf(5)
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2561[18:05:34] <somiaj> eikasem: apt-cache show packagename,
apt-cache depends packagename, apt-rdepends is another tool
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2562[18:05:59] <eikasem> for apt-get, it refers to its
configuration items to apt-get(8), which contains only those items
which habe a corresponding option flag
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2563[18:06:27] <zykotick9> somiaj: "apt-cache rdepends
foo" exists
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2564[18:06:29] <eikasem> somiaj: all those don't show build
dependencies
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2565[18:06:48] <Bronze> debian is currently shipping Vim 7.3
compiled in Feb 2013. As of Aug 2013 Vim 7.4 has been out. Anyone
know when debian will move to the new (three years old,
"new" :-) ) version?
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2567[18:07:39] <petn-randall> Bronze: With the next release.
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2568[18:07:43] <zykotick9> Bronze: what does testing/unstable
have? note, never versions of software do NOT get added to the
"stable" debian release.
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2569[18:07:46] <markybob> Bronze: jessie has 7.4...so does
wheezy-backports
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2570[18:07:56] <zykotick9> s/never/newer/
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2572[18:08:11] <Bronze> markybob: ah, I'm on wheezy. Good.
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2573[18:08:12] <petn-randall> Bronze: After a stable release is
out, only bugfix changes go in the update channel.
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2574[18:08:17] <Bronze> petn-randall: thank you
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2575[18:08:30] <Bronze> zykotick9: excellent point
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2577[18:08:48] <markybob> Bronze: so use wheezy-backports or
upgrade to jessie
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2578[18:09:02] <Bronze> exactly my thought. :-0
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2579[18:09:08] <Bronze> *:-)
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2581[18:09:24] <Bronze> (I can't even type a smiley )
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2583[18:09:28] <TheQuestionmark> How stable is testing for daily
purposes at this point? Last time I gave it a try was during Jessie
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2584[18:09:32] <TheQuestionmark> 's time there.
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2585[18:09:47] <TheQuestionmark> The thing messed up GRUB but
worked for the most part otherwise.
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2586[18:10:02] <zykotick9> TheQuestionmark: you might want to ask
the people that use it, in #debian-next of OFTC network.
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2587[18:10:06] <markybob> TheQuestionmark: ask those people.
#debian-next on irc.oftc.net
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2590[18:11:22] <TheQuestionmark> Heh... nice.
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2591[18:11:30] <TheQuestionmark> Thx for the input.
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2595[18:12:09] <TheQuestionmark> Either I switch to Testing or
try to fix my messed up Repo issue for Stable.
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2596[18:12:30] <markybob> !dontbreakdebian
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2597[18:12:30] <dpkg> methinks dont break debian is
replaced-url
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2633[18:18:33] <magyar> hi, when I start sshd in recovery mode I
can't get a terminal, all I get is "PTY allocation request
failed on channel 0". Is it possible to get a shell prompt in
recovery mode?
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2661[18:34:08] <somiaj> eki: seems apt-rdepends will list
--build-dpeneds
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2662[18:34:21] <somiaj> eikasem: ^^
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2663[18:34:59] <somiaj> magyar: what do you mean by recovery
mode? Using the debian installer in a recovery mode?
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2666[18:35:46] <somiaj> TheQuestionmark: testing can run okay but
you do need to know how to deal with issues when things are broken.
Once testing freezes (this will happen next February) it gets a lot
smoother
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2667[18:35:48] <magyar> simonlnu: yes, i start ssh but get
"PTY allocation request failed on channel 0"
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2668[18:35:59] <magyar> somiaj: ^
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2670[18:36:11] <somiaj> magyar: any reason you need ssh in
recovery mode? Does the console you get not work well enough?
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2673[18:36:52] <somiaj> magyar: sounds like it is in a
single-user mode and hasn't set up multiuser mode yet, but
unsure how to achive this.
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2674[18:37:15] <magyar> somiaj: i'm remote and the enduser
is not very savvy
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2676[18:38:06] <somiaj> magyar: so you are trying to get someone
on another end to set this up so you can recover? Would having them
use a full live enviroment instaed of recovery mode help out?
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2677[18:38:16] <unborn> markybob: I like that wikis dont break
debian, finally something where I can forward nonsense questions ;)
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2678[18:38:22] <somiaj> just ahve them boot into a live image and
start sshd, from there you should have access to the full machine
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2683[18:39:42] <magyar> somiaj: recovery is all i have
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2684[18:40:19] <eikasem> somiaj: apt-rdepends --build-depends
--state-follow=0 --print-state
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2685[18:40:29] <eikasem> somiaj: that works, thank you!
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2690[18:43:19] <TheQuestionmark> somiaj: I see. Thing is,
packages on my system depend on newer packages as those available in
my repos and no one seems to be able to help me out.
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2691[18:43:47] <evanvarvell> ...
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2692[18:43:49] <somiaj> TheQuestionmark: this should not happen
if you use offical jessie repos, you ahve been pointed to a wiki
page that explains what happens if you try to mix repos that are not
designed to work togehter
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2695[18:45:00] <TheQuestionmark> Good point somiaj but I
don't trust the idea of things being entirely messed up.
I'm pretty sure things around a messed up libgl1 dev package
can be fixed.
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2699[18:45:39] <TheQuestionmark> In fact, I'm pretty sure I
had a simliar issue once already but forget what fixed the problem
for me.
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2700[18:45:51] <somiaj> magyar:
replaced-url
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2702[18:46:43] <somiaj> TheQuestionmark: depending on what you
installed that is not part of the offical jessie repo, you can
manually track down the issues and fix them, but this takes time.
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2703[18:46:52] <somiaj> TheQuestionmark: can you paste the output
of 'apt-cache policy' at paste.debian.net
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2705[18:48:19] <sn0wmonster> Got a question about upgrading
packages
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2706[18:48:58] <sn0wmonster> my Jessie VPS says the gpg is
version 1.4.18, but my friend is running gpg 2.0.30,
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2708[18:49:15] <sn0wmonster> when i apt-get upgrade it
doesn't bother upgrading
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2709[18:49:23] <sn0wmonster> says I am on the latest version of
gpg
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2710[18:49:27] <somiaj> sn0wmonster: jessie is a frozen system,
and as such jessie won't change the versions during the
release.
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2711[18:49:29] <sn0wmonster> does this mean i need to install it
manually?
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2712[18:49:35] <somiaj> ,v gpg
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2713[18:49:36] <judd> No package named 'gpg' was found
in amd64.
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2714[18:49:38] <sn0wmonster> oh i see
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2715[18:49:41] <sn0wmonster> gnupg sorry
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2716[18:49:43] <somiaj> sn0wmonster: what is the actual package
name?
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2717[18:49:45] <somiaj> ,v gnupg
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2718[18:49:48] <judd> Package: gnupg on amd64 -- squeeze:
1.4.10-4+squeeze4; squeeze-security: 1.4.10-4+squeeze4;
squeeze-security-lts: 1.4.10-4+squeeze7; wheezy-security:
1.4.12-7+deb7u7; wheezy: 1.4.12-7+deb7u7; jessie: 1.4.18-7+deb8u1;
stretch: 1.4.20-6; sid: 1.4.20-6; experimental: 2.1.12-1
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2719[18:50:10] <sn0wmonster> So it is something I cannot isntall
simply with apt-get install then?
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2720[18:50:11] <somiaj> sn0wmonster: version 2 isn't even in
debian yet so this makes the process much harder.
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2721[18:50:36] <sn0wmonster> Apparently the version I need *at
least* starts 1.4.9
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2722[18:50:37] <somiaj> sn0wmonster: you can compile it yourself,
but realize that thigns in jessie may depend on this package and you
could break other software on your system by jumping the version
from 1.4.18 to 2.x
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2723[18:50:51] <sn0wmonster> So 1.4.10 would work I think
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2724[18:50:56] <somiaj> sn0wmonster: well jessie has 1.4.18 and
that is atleast 1.4.9
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2726[18:51:46] <jaggz> perl -e 'print crypt("hi",
"\$x"); print "\n";'
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2727[18:51:54] <jaggz> this works on my old debian system
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2728[18:51:58] <somiaj> sn0wmonster: there are ways to get newer
stuff in jessie, but I would be careful here if you have things that
depend on gnupg, you could breakt hem by changing the version (this
is one of the main reasons jessie doesn't upgrade versions
(except in rare cases). Jessie wants to ensure that all the packages
work well together.
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2730[18:52:06] <jaggz> but not my new
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2731[18:52:11] <magyar> somiaj: thanks, that worked out great!
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2732[18:52:23] <somiaj> jaggz: could you be missing the perl
package that contains crypt()
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2736[18:52:54] <somiaj> jaggz: what was your old debian version
and what is your new debian version?
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2738[18:53:48] <jaggz> works in wheezybut not in jessie. crypt()
is supposed to accept [a-z0-9/.], so it's a bug in my code,
really
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2741[18:54:16] <somiaj> ,v perl
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2742[18:54:17] <judd> Package: perl on amd64 -- squeeze:
5.10.1-17squeeze6; squeeze-security: 5.10.1-17squeeze6; wheezy:
5.14.2-21+deb7u3; wheezy-security: 5.14.2-21+deb7u3;
jessie-security: 5.20.2-3+deb8u4; jessie: 5.20.2-3+deb8u5; sid:
5.22.2-1; stretch: 5.22.2-1; experimental: 5.24.0-1
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2743[18:54:22] <jaggz> it works if I use letters in the proper
salt set
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2744[18:54:31] <jaggz> I believe it's the system's
crypt(), not perl
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2745[18:54:45] <somiaj> jaggz: it could be a change between perl
5.14 and 5.20 as well.
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2746[18:55:05] <jaggz> since my C interfaces suffer from the same
issue (users suddenly had issues logging in.. I found many had salts
with $ in them)
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2747[18:55:08] <somiaj> well since you are parsing it through
perl, it is doing what ever perl crypt() needs, but I don't
know the details.
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2748[18:55:23] <jaggz> yeah perl crypt says it's up to the
system's crypt()
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2781[19:10:56] <jaggz> somiaj: looks like no salt's composed
of the 'proper' character set match, once crypted
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2783[19:11:29] <jaggz> I need to look at the crypt() source for
wheezy..
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2789[19:13:37] <jaggz> on a new system, can I download the source
for libc6 of a specific really old version?
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2790[19:14:21] <abrotman> you can download the source for
anything ...
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2791[19:14:28] <abrotman> what do you actually want to do with
it?
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2792[19:15:00] <TheQuestionmark> somiaj: Sorry for the late
reply, I had dinner. Here's what apt-cache policy says
replaced-url
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2793[19:15:17] <sn0wmonster> how do i get the exact path of a
folder a package is installed to?
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2794[19:15:22] <sn0wmonster> I installed gnupg2 (gpg2)
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2795[19:15:25] <jaggz> I want to look at the crypt() source to
see what it's doing with its salt
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2796[19:15:29] <sn0wmonster> apt-get install gnupg2
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2797[19:15:32] <jaggz> abrotman
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2798[19:15:35] <sn0wmonster> but I need to knwo the "home
director"
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2799[19:15:40] <sn0wmonster> directory*
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2800[19:15:58] <jaggz> sn0wmonster: ? dpkg -L packagename
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2802[19:16:48] <somiaj> TheQuestionmark: I just wanted apt-cache
policy (not all the packages) but here is most likely your problem
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2803[19:16:51] <somiaj> !deb-multimedia
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2804[19:16:52] <dpkg> We recommend against using
deb-multimedia.org; these unofficial packages are known to cause
many hard to debug problems. They are not in Debian either because
the they are poor in quality or for legal reasons. See
replaced-url
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2805[19:17:09] <abrotman> jaggz: okay, so get the tarball, and
extract it
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2806[19:17:19] <jaggz> trying to find it
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2807[19:17:31] <somiaj> sn0wmonster: dpkg -L packagename
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2810[19:17:40] <jaggz> abrotman: 2.13-38+deb7u1
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2811[19:18:46] <jaggz> looking for a wheezy mirror
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2812[19:18:57] <somiaj> jaggz: if you ahve a deb-src line, you
can just apt-get source
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2813[19:19:03] <somiaj> jaggz: wheezy is still on the offical
mirrors
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2814[19:19:20] <TheQuestionmark> somiaj: I guess so but
what's next? deb-multimedia is disabled by now but things still
look messy. apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade go trough
just fine but when trying to install dev packages, things look ugly
and Debian demands on packages newer than those from the repos.
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2815[19:19:46] <somiaj> !tell TheQuestionmark about dmm remove
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2816[19:20:02] <somiaj> TheQuestionmark: you will have to track
down the issues you are having slowly and fix them.
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2821[19:21:24] <jaggz> somiaj: hm
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2824[19:22:18] <jaggz> so, in my jessie system, if I add lines
for wheezy (including updates and security, in case the version is
there), that'll work?
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2826[19:22:40] <jaggz> I won't destroy my system with wheezy
packages... ? :)
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2827[19:22:48] <sm00th> hey guys, i'm having trouble setting
surround sound in debian kde
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2829[19:23:11] <somiaj> jaggz: deb-src lines only give you access
to source and will not install binary packages. otherwords it is
fine (a deb line is not)
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2830[19:23:15] <sm00th> i have sound but don't think its
working right. do I need to install phonon backend?
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2831[19:23:51] <somiaj> sm00th: using pulse? have you installed
pavucontrol
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2833[19:24:11] <sm00th> speaker-test works, although doesn't
sound right. and the kde audio setup test ahs no sound
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2835[19:24:26] <somiaj> sm00th: the other thing is what actual
alsa driver are you using snd-hda-intel is a very common one
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2838[19:26:22] <jaggz> somiaj: apt-get source
libc6=2.13-38+deb7u1 ?
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2839[19:26:37] <somiaj> jaggz: that should work
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2840[19:26:40] <sm00th> I notice when trying to test sound in kde
audio setup it says phonon on top, but in backend section it only
shows vlc
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2842[19:26:47] <jaggz> Picking 'glibc' as source
package instead of 'libc6' E: Can not find version
'2.13-38+deb7u1' of package 'libc6'
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2843[19:27:00] <sm00th> oh it says Phonon VLC backend
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2844[19:27:24] <sm00th> I guess i'll install pavucontrol and
see if there is any diff setting
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2848[19:28:10] <somiaj> jaggz: source package names are not
always the same binary packages. if wheezy is your only deb-src line
you don't need to speicify the version. You can also just do -t
wheezy
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2849[19:28:35] <sm00th> somiaj, its the same thing. I'm not
hearing the sounds, little popping noises when moving volume in
pavucontrol that you are supposed to hear
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2850[19:28:45] <TheQuestionmark> somiaj: I'm sorry to ask
but has deb-multimedia to be activated when performing this command?
Because for me, it does nothing.
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2851[19:28:54] <sm00th> I have sound in applications. but
osmething is not right
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2853[19:29:21] <jaggz> somiaj: I have a lot of deb-src lines, for
jessie
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2854[19:29:21] <somiaj> sm00th: I don't know phonon, sounds
like it might not be pulse. But the alsa sound driver also has
various model= you can set for the card that sometimes changes how
the ports work.
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2855[19:29:25] <jaggz> apt-get -t wheezy source libc6 ?
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2856[19:29:38] <mrrhq> sm00th: I'd say to uninstall Pulse
Audio and just using straight up ALSA.
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2857[19:29:47] <jaggz> The value 'wheezy' is invalid
for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the
sources
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2858[19:29:51] <somiaj> TheQuestionmark: unsure, I have never
tried. I just know to avoid using such repos. But yes it might need
to be enabled so apt knows which packages ceom from that repo.
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2859[19:30:06] <jaggz> I can remove my other source lines for now
I guess
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2860[19:30:07] <somiaj> jaggz: did you run apt-get update after
adding the deb-src line for wheezy?
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2861[19:30:07] <sm00th> ya its definitely not working right
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2862[19:30:13] <jaggz> yes
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2863[19:30:30] <somiaj> jaggz: apt-cache policy will show you the
sources
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2864[19:30:30] <jaggz> I didn't add contrib and non-free, of
course
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2865[19:30:34] <somiaj> jaggz: it might be called wheezy-lts now
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2867[19:32:12] <jaggz> it's only showing me deb8.. looks
like it's just wheezy still, btw
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2869[19:32:47] <jaggz> where are they in the directory tree?
replaced-url
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2871[19:32:58] <jaggz> I'm not seeing the source packages
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2872[19:33:22] <sm00th> let me install phonon-gstreamer and see
what happens
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2875[19:34:15] <jaggz> actually, when looking through the
directories there, I'm not seeing where any of the packages
are..
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2878[19:34:28] <TheQuestionmark> somiaj: Still the same results
with deb-multimedia being enabled. HOWEVER, I just get to read that
dpkg --remove needs certain pkg names and that librtmp1 seems to
exist more than once on my system.
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2883[19:36:20] <somiaj> jaggz: what is the output of apt-cache
policy and your sources.list
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2884[19:36:24] <somiaj> jaggz: put it at paste.debian.net
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2889[19:38:33] <sm00th> setting it to gstreamer didn't make
a diff
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2890[19:39:01] <TheQuestionmark> somiaj: Now things get funny,
libcurtl3-gnutls depends on librtmp1, so I can not do a
'apt-get remove librtmp1' on it.
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2892[19:39:36] <jaggz>
replaced-url
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2893[19:39:42] <TheQuestionmark> To be exact... librtmp1 (>=
2.4+20131018.git79459a2-3~)
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2894[19:39:53] <jaggz>
replaced-url
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2895[19:40:00] <jaggz> no wheezy listed in policy.. neat
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2896[19:40:08] <tharkun> Is this the place to ask about a
ipsec/racoon isue or there is a better channel to ask?
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2897[19:40:20] <jaggz> (I do just have the deb-src line, without
the deb line)
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2903[19:42:22] <TheQuestionmark> Now's the question, what do
to about that? As it seems that remvoing libcurl3-gnutls would make
my system about any package that's relevant to me, like
entirely KDE, Virtualbox, vokoscreen, weechat, supertuxkart,
transmission and so on and on.
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2906[19:42:48] <jaggz> (btw, I tried to get by without deb
multimedia but there were some things that were still required.. or
at least I couldn't get everything operational and, after some
days, gave up and just used multiemdia)
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2908[19:43:12] <jaggz> and I think official java was for android
development.. perhaps one day I will do someting useful with that
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2916[19:46:23] <sm00th> somiaj, I have found the solution. debian
should be informed
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2917[19:46:27] <jaggz> I shouldn't offer I should just serve
it
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2918[19:46:33] <sm00th> let me find that linka gain
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2919[19:46:46] <jaggz> send the italian linka!
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2920[19:47:40] <sm00th> somiaj,
replaced-url
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2921[19:47:59] <sm00th> the solution is to install
sound-theme-freedesktop and libcanberra-pulse
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2922[19:48:18] <sm00th> now my surround is working properly, its
not just that the test buttons in kde settings didn't work. the
osund was also not proper
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2923[19:48:24] <sm00th> i'm an audiophile with a keen ear
lol
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2924[19:48:38] <sm00th> the balance was way too far to the left
for example, back right speaker hardly had sound
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2925[19:48:41] <sm00th> now it sounds proper
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2940[19:53:59] <somiaj> TheQuestionmark: what is the output of
apt-cache policy librtmp1
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2942[19:54:48] <stormchaser3000> i seem to have an issue with the
screen "shaking" on my MSI GT72 2QD (a gaming laptop 2
different graphics setups. one being nvidia and the other intel. and
i am currently using the intel setup)
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2945[19:56:34] <TheQuestionmark> somiaj: As you guessed, it
connects to the dmm issue. Here, take a look:
replaced-url
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2949[19:59:09] <somiaj> TheQuestionmark: what does apt-get -t
jessie install librtmp1 do?
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2956[20:01:53] <TheQuestionmark> somiaj: It tells me that
librtmp1 is already the newest version.
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2957[20:02:46] <somiaj> TheQuestionmark: hmm okay, 'apt-get
install librtmp1=2.4+20150115.gita107cef-1
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2958[20:04:36] <TheQuestionmark> Okay, it asked me to replace it
by an older release and also libcurl3:i386, libcurl3-nutls:i386,
librtmp-dev, librtmp1:i386 and smokinguns:i386 were removed.
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2960[20:04:52] <TheQuestionmark> Odd that it also removes a game
package but oh well...
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2961[20:05:06] <vahe> hi,what does for system?
baloo_file_extractor ?
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2962[20:05:06] <vahe> and plasmashell --shut-up
replaced-url
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2963[20:05:07] <vahe> kde
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2964[20:05:17] <somiaj> TheQuestionmark: correct. Well the game
depends on the libary so it gets removed
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2965[20:05:27] <somiaj> TheQuestionmark: instead of removing the
libs you can add them to the list by repeating what we just did
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2967[20:05:52] <somiaj> TheQuestionmark: so apt-get install
librtmp1=2.4+20150115.gita107cef-1 librtmp-dev=blah
librtmp1:i386=blah
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2968[20:06:14] <somiaj> TheQuestionmark: but it seems you are
going to have to manually go though and fix the packages you are
having trouble with. This will take some time and work.
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2983[20:12:56] <TheQuestionmark> somiaj: So I decide manually
what's actually pinning work by telling apt which version of
the packages I want?
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3007[20:28:10] <kitto> hey I'm having a problem I'm
getting constant SSL errors on all of my browsers
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3008[20:28:16] <kitto> every site I go says untrusted
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3009[20:28:27] <FinalX> tried this?: apt-get install
ca-certificates
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3010[20:28:30] <petn-randall> kitto: Which release are you
running?
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3014[20:29:23] <kitto> gnewsense 4 which uses wheezy
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3015[20:29:39] <kitto> not getting a response from the gnewsense
IRC chat
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3016[20:30:05] <kitto> petn-randall; also I can't upgrade it
says packages are held back
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3017[20:30:35] <kitto> I tried sudo apt-get -f install and sudo
apt-get install -f as well as auto-remove still giving me the same
problems.
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3018[20:30:54] <FinalX> did you try what I just mentioned?
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3019[20:31:00] <FinalX> sudo apt-get install ca-certificates
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3020[20:31:03] <petn-randall> !gnewsense
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3021[20:31:03] <dpkg> gNewSense GNU/Linux is an operating system
previously based on <Ubuntu>, now <based on debian>
without most non-free software/firmware/binary-only blobs, but with
<GFDL>-licensed documentation. It is not supported in #debian.
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3024[20:31:29] <kitto> I'll try that now sorry for missing
that.
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3026[20:32:09] <kitto> The following packages have unmet
dependencies:
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3027[20:32:10] <kitto> libc6-dev : Breaks: gcc-4.4 (< 4.4.6-4)
but 4.4.5-8 is to be installed
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3030[20:34:05] <petn-randall> kitto: Looks like you mixed
repositories. Can you show us the output of 'apt-cache
policy'?
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3031[20:34:23] <FinalX> kitto: sounds like you're having a
different kind of problem to be resolved first; you already tried
apt-get install -f, though.. perhaps you're installing
libc6-dev from backports, and not gcc-4.4, try installing that from
backports as well
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3033[20:34:41] <FinalX> ..or that
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3035[20:35:11] <kitto> petn-randall: sure what's the
commandline again for pasting into that site without me having to go
to the site itself?
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3036[20:35:18] <somiaj> TheQuestionmark: yes you can use apt to
install specific versions if needed
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3037[20:35:28] <petn-randall> !pastebinit
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3038[20:35:29] <dpkg> pastebinit is a command-line tool to send
data to a <pastebin>. NOTE: Debian 6.0 "Squeeze"
users, you must "pastebinit -b
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3039[20:35:47] <petn-randall> kitto: ^^^
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3040[20:35:53] <kitto> thanks
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3046[20:37:16] <jaggz> Somiaj, any ideas on the wheezy source
issue?
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3048[20:38:56] <TheQuestionmark> somiaj: Sounds useful to me. On
top of that, your command seems to bring me further with my issue.
I'm installing backports packages right now
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3049[20:40:16] <jelly> dpkg, tell kitto about basic apt
troubleshooting
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3069[20:52:12] <kitto> jelly:
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3070[20:52:43] <kitto> sorry that took so long
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3072[20:52:54] <kitto> I'm kind of multi-tasking
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3075[20:53:10] <kitto> that's the results to those commands
you requested
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3077[20:53:32] <kitto> petn-randall: **
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3083[20:55:52] <petn-randall> kitto: "apt-get/apt/aptitude
run" wasn't not meant literally. We want to see the output
when running 'apt-get update && apt-get upgrade',
and 'apt-get install -f'
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3084[20:56:28] <kitto> petn-randall: ah ok sorry
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3094[20:59:49] <kitto> petn-randall: here we go
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3096[21:00:26] <petn-randall> kitto: Looks like you ahve a
partial upgrade that needs finishing.
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3099[21:00:51] <somiaj> jaggz: did you share me a paste of your
sources.list and apt-cache policy?
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3102[21:01:26] <kitto> petn-randall: how do I get it to finish
then?
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3112[21:05:20] <sm00th> [ 177.940315] audit: audit_lost=4781
audit_rate_limit=0 audit_backlog_limit=320
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3113[21:05:20] <sm00th> [ 177.940316] audit: backlog limit
exceeded
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3114[21:05:21] <TheQuestionmark> Well... now my xserver gets
removed along with a ton of other useful stuff like the nvidia
drivers. That's the price for removing libdrm.
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3115[21:05:26] <TheQuestionmark> *libdrm2
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3117[21:06:47] <petn-randall> kitto: Can you show us the
_complete_ run of 'apt-get upgrade'? When you answer yes
to the upgrade?
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3118[21:06:59] <baconicsynergy> who needs an xserver anyway
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3119[21:07:04] <FinalX> for a little project of mine with
containers, anyone know from the top of their heads if openssh can
allow entry solely based on ident and just allow it passwordlessly?
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3123[21:07:19] <FinalX> like, ssh from host to container if ident
matches with no additional auth
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3128[21:08:18] <TheQuestionmark> Hmm... now which packages need
to get reinstalled? Huh... that's one nice Saturday evening.
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3132[21:11:48] <marioxcc> Hello.
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3133[21:12:03] <kitto> petn-randall: there's no
"Y/N" it just doesn't complete
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3134[21:12:30] <marioxcc> Is there a way to post to Reddit
without using its proprietary JavaScript?.
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3136[21:12:36] <kitto> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove
and 771 not upgraded.
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3137[21:12:40] <kitto> that's all it says
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3138[21:13:18] <petn-randall> marioxcc: You'll probably have
to ask reddit.
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3140[21:13:40] <kitto> petn-randall; at the beginning it says
"The following packages have been kept back:"
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3141[21:13:42] <marioxcc> petn-randall: It's a serious
question. :)
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3142[21:13:52] <petn-randall> kitto: Sorry 'apt-get
dist-upgrade'.
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3143[21:14:04] <kitto> petn-randall: ok that might work
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3145[21:14:19] <petn-randall> marioxcc: And it's a serious
answer. :)
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3147[21:14:37] <petn-randall> marioxcc: Maybe there's a
client that directly accesses the API? That might work without JS.
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3149[21:15:23] <kitto> petn-randall:
replaced-url
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3154[21:16:25] <petn-randall> ,v nfs-common
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3155[21:16:26] <judd> Package: nfs-common on amd64 -- squeeze:
1:1.2.2-4squeeze2; squeeze-security-lts: 1:1.2.2-4squeeze3;
squeeze-backports: 1:1.2.5-4~bpo60+1; wheezy: 1:1.2.6-4; stretch:
1:1.2.8-9; sid: 1:1.2.8-9; jessie: 1:1.2.8-9
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3158[21:17:39] <petn-randall> kitto: Can you show the output of
'apt-cache policy nfs-common'?
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3160[21:17:56] <kitto> petn-randall: okay
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3164[21:19:07] <kitto> petn-randall:
replaced-url
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3167[21:20:07] <boubou> hey guys
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3168[21:20:08] <petn-randall> kitto: 'apt-get install
-f'?
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3170[21:20:30] <boubou> with Debian Jessie, it looks like the
disk arent listed in snmp
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3172[21:21:00] <boubou> I cant monitor disk using snmp
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3173[21:21:05] <boubou> on centos, it works good
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3174[21:21:18] <kitto> petn-randall:
replaced-url
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3178[21:21:59] <petn-randall> kitto: If you specifically run
'apt-get install nfs-common', what happens?
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3183[21:23:05] <kitto> petn-randall: says broken packages
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3188[21:23:55] <petn-randall> kitto: Can you give me the full
output please?
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replaced-url
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3197[21:27:28] <petn-randall> kitto: Run 'apt-get install
libc6-dev', and if it has unmet dependencies, follow up the
chain until there's a different message.
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3201[21:27:48] <kitto> petn-randall: ok
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3202[21:27:48] <petn-randall> kitto: But my gut feeling says that
someone at gnewsense screwed up something in the repo.
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3203[21:28:21] <petn-randall> kitto: I'll be gone for a
while but back later. You can either ask the channel with
follow-ups, or wait until I'm back.
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3207[21:29:10] <kitto> petn-randall: ok I'll wait
you're helping me out a lot. more than I could say about
gnewsense's IRC
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3208[21:29:28] <kitto> it's pretty much dead over there.
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3215[21:30:32] <petn-randall> kitto: Debian might be a more
appropriate distro then ;). I'm not really sure what the
difference is between gnewsense and Debian stable when you exclude
contrib and non-free.
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3218[21:31:21] <kitto> petn-randall: I'm a paranoid kind of
person don't trust any corporation or program associated with
it. For privacy reasons and uses.
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3221[21:31:36] <kitto> I have debian on another pc this is my
personal private laptop
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3222[21:32:28] <kitto> I teach and converse with people about a
lot of conspiracies even shady ones that don't agree well with
alternative media.
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3223[21:33:25] <kitto> a lot of in depth stuff that the media in
general won't touch.
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3225[21:33:47] <kitto> that's my reasoning for having
gnewsense
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know hwy its like something doesn'tw ant me to make a chromium
profile
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3338[22:36:54] <awwal> Any suggestion for create a correct unit
service for qingy?
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3340[22:37:45] <ryan-c> why do i have to use expert install to be
allowed to use UTC as my timezone?
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3355[22:44:13] <awwal> ryan-c, you can make a starndard install
and when finished, use timedatectl for set your system time in utc
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3361[22:49:12] <ryan-c> awwal: I know, it's just stupid and
annoying that I can't at install time.
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3369[22:51:36] <awwal> ryan-c, dual booting with windows there?
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3370[22:51:45] <ryan-c> no
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3371[22:51:53] <ryan-c> It's a server
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3374[22:52:14] <awwal> check bios
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3375[22:52:27] <ryan-c> awwal: it's a vm
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3377[22:52:42] <ryan-c> i don't know why that would matter
though
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3378[22:52:47] <awwal> virtualbox?
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3379[22:52:56] <ryan-c> esxi
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3380[22:53:03] <awwal> ?
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3381[22:53:11] <ryan-c> why would that change whether the
installer offers UTC at install time?
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3382[22:53:25] <awwal> whats esxi
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3383[22:53:33] <ryan-c> vmware esxi
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3384[22:53:40] <awwal> no clue so
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3386[22:54:14] <awwal> if it where virtualbox, just edit the vm
settings and set time to utc then the vm will use utc just fine
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3387[22:54:23] <ryan-c> I'm just complaining about
whoever's stupid decision it was to not offer UTC during a
standard install, and wondering what insane justification there was
for that.
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3388[22:54:24] <awwal> no clue about esxi
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3389[22:54:57] <ryan-c> awwal: the vm settings don't change
what the guest os thinks the time zone is
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3391[22:56:43] <awwal> ryan-c, with virtualbox all fine. set time
to utc in vm settings and then the vm guest uses utc
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3393[22:57:12] <awwal> I just checked that in my jessie vm
(timedatectl status)
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3394[22:57:48] <ryan-c> awwal: okay, that may be true, but is
totally irrelevant to my complain
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3395[22:57:58] <awwal> Universal time: sáb 2016-06-18
20:55:19 UTC
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3398[22:58:09] <awwal> RTC in local TZ: no
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3400[22:59:07] <teraflops> awwal: are you in spain? :P
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3402[22:59:43] <awwal> teraflops, no
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3407[23:00:58] <awwal> canada but I have used es_ES for locales
during install
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3408[23:01:07] <awwal> will have to configure that
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3409[23:01:38] <awwal> its just a vm for test stuff, so i dont
care
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3425[23:11:13] <teraflops> magyar: there are no runlevels in
systemd
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3435[23:16:51] <PryMar56> magyar, change default.target, say from
graphical to multi-user
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3436[23:17:05] <PryMar56> runlevel goes from 5->3
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3447[23:20:58] <TheQuestionmark> Err... you know, I give up.
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3449[23:21:20] <TheQuestionmark> I just do a fresh Debian install
tomorrow.
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