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• 2[00:03:36] <Habbie> ,v gdb
• 3[00:03:37] <judd> Package: gdb on amd64 -- jessie: 7.7.1+dfsg-5; stretch: 7.12-6; buster: 8.2.1-2+b3; bullseye: 8.3.1-1; sid: 8.3.1-1
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• 5[00:03:48] <Habbie> ,v gcc
• 6[00:03:49] <judd> Package: gcc on amd64 -- jessie: 4:4.9.2-2; stretch: 4:6.3.0-4; buster: 4:8.3.0-1; bullseye: 4:9.2.1-3.1; sid: 4:9.2.1-3.1; experimental: 4:10-1
• 7[00:04:12] <Habbie> al14s4, does 'apt-get install -f' say anything useful?
• 8[00:05:04] <al14s4> not sure what's considered useful. here's the output: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded.
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• 12[00:09:49] <al14s4> & heres the compile error that i get without the dependencies installed replaced-url
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• 82[01:00:57] <zodd> al14s4, install build-essential and probably cmake
• 83[01:01:19] <zodd> next open a new terminal and try again. But this is not really a debian issue
• 84[01:02:02] <al14s4> thought it might have something to do with debian's g++ version specific or somethin
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• 87[01:03:57] <zodd> nope, more about installed packages, environment vars and the building process
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• 91[01:05:45] <al14s4> now i just get this error replaced-url
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• 97[01:08:55] <zodd> so, progress. At least it now can find stuff
• 98[01:09:09] <zodd> the error is unclear to me
• 99[01:09:25] <zodd> also because I have no clue on what is being build and how
• 100[01:09:50] <al14s4> github.com/lwss/fuzion
• 101[01:10:22] <al14s4> should i move to a more appropriate channel?
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• 103[01:10:29] <al14s4> or is here fine
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• 109[01:14:10] <joepublic> i would equate silence with consent
• 110[01:15:58] <al14s4> i'm using their build script
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• 115[01:18:52] <zodd> it really has nothing to do with Debian. But you could try the build-debug. Seems all hackerish to me. 17 is a setting in line 3
• 116[01:19:09] <zodd> but most of all you need to comply to two things:
• 117[01:19:34] <zodd> 1. not compiling as root.2. They point to replaced-url
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• 119[01:19:40] <zodd> which is yuk
• 120[01:19:59] <zodd> it requires a move to testing
• 121[01:20:11] <al14s4> yeah i saw that, didnt seem like something i wanted to really do
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• 123[01:21:04] <zodd> indeed
• 124[01:22:47] <al14s4> also i havent compiled as root
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• 145[01:38:36] <jim> I have a source package (dpkg-source -x something.dsc) and it has some build depends
• 146[01:39:05] <jim> how would I install those?
• 147[01:39:56] <joepublic> install with apt install ./whatever.deb and apt will resolve the dependencies
• 148[01:40:15] <joepublic> oh, wait, source package, sorry didn't read
• 149[01:40:57] <joepublic> apt build-dep so-and-so installs the build dependencies
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• 159[01:47:51] <randomcat3> Got the message Volume Boot has only 0bytes left and did apt autoremove && apt autoclean, now there is only ~60mb free space on /boot. Is there an easy way to increase the /boot size of the partition? I used LVM with encrypt guided installation all in one partition
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• 161[01:48:54] <karlpinc> randomcat3: Do a "aptitude purge unusedlinuxpackage" or equalivant.
• 162[01:49:32] <karlpinc> randomcat3: Simply removing a linux-image-* package does not delete it frrom disk or upgrading to a new linux could cause problems.
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• 164[01:50:44] <karlpinc> randomcat3: You have a separate /boot, and you're saying that /boot is a logical volume managed with lvm, right?
• 165[01:51:38] <randomcat3> @karlpinc there are only 2 linux-image* files
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• 167[01:52:13] <randomcat3> @karlpinc yes it's all LVM encrypt in one partition and /boot has 200mb total
• 168[01:52:14] <karlpinc> randomcat3: Well, you're only running one of them. If it works you don't need the old one. Do a "uname -a" to see what version you've booted with.
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• 170[01:54:05] <karlpinc> randomcat3: You can increase the size of /boot with "lvresize -L +nnnM ..." to increase by megabytes. Assuming there's space in the pv. Do a "pvs" to see.
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• 173[01:56:37] <randomcat3> @karlpinc Fmt lvm2 Psize 465.50g Pfree 32.00m
• 174[01:56:45] <karlpinc> randomcat3: After increasing the size of /boot you'll also need to increase the size of the file system on it. resize2fs does this. (Along the lines of: resize2fs /dev/myvg/mybootlv It all depends on the names of your volume groups and logical volumes. Best to glance at the man page for these commands before running them, and look in /dev to see your names (or cat /etc/fstab).
• 175[01:57:07] <karlpinc> randomcat3: You've only 32M free, so that's all you can add.
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• 177[01:58:15] <karlpinc> randomcat3: You can shrink a filesystem elsewhere using resize2fs (assuming you're using an ext* file system). And then lvresize to shrink the logical volume. That will give you more space in the pv.
• 178[01:58:31] <karlpinc> randomcat3: (Or, you can always add more physical storage and add another pv. :)
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• 180[01:59:43] <karlpinc> randomcat3: As you now know, it's nice to leave some un-allocated space on physical volumes. :)
• 181[02:00:01] <randomcat3> @karlpinc thanks a lot. when i do apt purge linux-image- and hit tab i get linux-image-amd64 and linux-image-5.4.0-amd64 which i'm currently running, is it safe to remove the linux-image-amd64
• 182[02:00:40] <karlpinc> randomcat3: Are you running sid?
• 183[02:01:05] <karlpinc> randomcat3: No, linux-image-amd64 is not an actual kernel.
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• 192[02:01:29] <karlpinc> randomcat3: If you "ls /boot" you'll see what's there.
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• 194[02:01:57] <dvs> that must be testing
• 195[02:02:18] <karlpinc> gottarun
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• 294[03:31:53] <otyugh> heya ; got a really specific question about MIME. I can't find why I see my default debian installation associate firefox to a image/png file
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• 297[03:32:11] <otyugh> I tried to look everywhere and could only find trace of this association in /etc/mailcap
• 298[03:32:27] <otyugh> which is supposed to be generated from other stuff. I can't find out what it is !
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• 301[03:33:18] <otyugh> not that it's important, but I thought I understood how it worked and now I'm not so sure anymore ^^'
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• 303[03:33:45] <akira893> hi
• 304[03:35:55] <lxkraken> otyugh: Have you taken a look at the xdg-mime command?
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• 306[03:37:13] <themill> Quite possibly via /usr/share/applications/firefox-esr.desktop
• 307[03:37:25] <otyugh> themill, first thing I checked
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• 309[03:37:59] <otyugh> lxkraken, trying :o
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• 311[03:39:09] <otyugh> humpf. Another way to confirm my issue would be to erase /etc/mailcap and have it regenerated
• 312[03:40:53] <otyugh> and it gets regerated with firefox in it. Meh.
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• 314[03:41:35] <otyugh> grep don't find anything with both "image/png" and "firefox" in it either in /etc or /home though.
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• 321[03:43:30] <themill> otyugh: in what way did you check?
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• 325[03:45:16] <lxkraken> otyugh: Maybe this page might shed some light: replaced-url
• 326[03:45:18] <otyugh> What I just tried : "su -; rm /etc/mailcap; rm /usr/share/applications/firefox-esr.desktop; update-mime" then checked into /etc/mailcap and... The line "image/png; /usr/bin/firefox-esr %s"
• 327[03:45:39] <otyugh> + remains
• 328[03:45:54] <otyugh> no reference to the .desktop also. Weird.
• 329[03:46:38] <themill> how are you testing this?
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• 331[03:47:29] <otyugh> I'm testing this in a VM so I can try about anything silly to find out.
• 332[03:47:42] <themill> yes, but how are you testing the association?
• 333[03:48:25] <otyugh> Oh. Well. Thunar ? I could use xdg-mime query instead I guess.
• 334[03:48:47] <themill> I don't think thunar has anything to do with mailcap
• 335[03:48:49] <otyugh> Definitvely I'm gonna use this instead. >.>
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• 337[03:49:07] <otyugh> well I couldn't find any other association between firefox<->png images
• 338[03:49:18] <otyugh> as mailcap is generated there is something I'm missing
• 339[03:49:23] <otyugh> obviously.
• 340[03:49:55] <nvz> yes you are missing the entire mess that is mime
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• 343[03:50:21] <otyugh> nah
• 344[03:50:30] <nvz> associations can be made in things like dconf, or in .desktop files.. etc
• 345[03:50:34] <otyugh> This is a clean system, there is no mess yet
• 346[03:50:42] <nvz> you were only looking in ~/ and /etc
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• 348[03:50:59] <otyugh> dconf do mimestuffs ?
• 349[03:51:03] <otyugh> arhg.
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• 352[03:51:53] <set> hiya, i'm just setting up a laptop for my cousin with debian, i want to put an update/pkg manager on it for him, to make these things easy, should i be thinking synaptic?
• 353[03:52:08] <set> he's a total linux newb
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• 355[03:52:27] <otyugh> set : consider gnome-software
• 356[03:52:43] <set> ah cool i'll check it out thank you
• 357[03:53:07] <set> i'm putting xfce on it for him
• 358[03:53:24] <set> i don't want a really bloated system at the same time
• 359[03:53:55] <set> iirc gnome is a lot bigger than xfce... hmmm maybe i should actually put gnome on too
• 360[03:54:19] <set> gnome is pretty too :)
• 361[03:54:45] * nvz pukes on set's shoes
• 362[03:54:54] <set> i use openbox on openbsd
• 363[03:55:04] <set> jjust trying to introduce someone to foss
• 364[03:55:40] <otyugh> set looks like you are going out of your way to show you elitism. Good for you, good for you.
• 365[03:55:42] <set> who has actually never had a computer other than a cell phone if i'm understanding the situation correctly
• 366[03:56:04] <set> elitism? no, i just want a good OS for his first computer that won't be like openbsd on a cli
• 367[03:56:07] <set> :)
• 368[03:56:31] <set> the windows sticker on the laptop i found for him is a really bad crappy version
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• 370[03:57:11] <nvz> as opposed to?
• 371[03:57:15] <set> debian
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• 373[03:57:39] <set> or... pretty much any OS i can think of really
• 374[03:57:41] <set> :)
• 375[03:58:12] <set> it's not harder to learn than windows amiright?
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• 377[03:58:26] <set> so might as well learn something that will take you as far as you wanna go
• 378[03:58:42] <set> instead of learning a proprietary OS interface
• 379[03:58:49] <set> amiright?
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• 381[03:58:57] <otyugh> all depends on the support. Giving GNU/Linux to anybordy without support is really not a wise move.
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• 384[03:59:10] <set> pshhh
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• 386[03:59:37] <set> computers on networks are not wise moves.
• 387[03:59:39] <set> hahaha
• 388[03:59:42] <set> get a grip
• 389[04:00:01] <set> but i'll include my intensely experienced disclaimer with it :)
• 390[04:00:04] <set> don't you worry ;)
• 391[04:00:12] <trui> just pick centos and get back to them in 10 years
• 392[04:00:15] <trui> jk
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• 395[04:00:53] <set> i don't think linux is any harder to use than windows if you've never used either before
• 396[04:01:04] <set> at least linux has answers for what it does
• 397[04:01:10] <trui> debian does update pretty fast though
• 398[04:01:13] <otyugh> If you can do it without telling them all about your tremendous "hardlife" has hacker that uses text mode on BSD, I think he'll be better off.
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• 400[04:01:33] <trui> *frequently
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• 403[04:01:50] <trui> but also fast. i forgot how slow windows updates are
• 404[04:01:58] <set> otyugh: are you just a angry person or a troll who enjoys it?
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• 407[04:02:14] <set> trui: gawd you can't even opt out of windows update on recent versions man
• 408[04:02:30] <trui> i could fall asleep and debian 11 will be out
• 409[04:02:37] <set> i will not saddle my friend with that unbelievable bullshit
• 410[04:02:48] <trui> 2 years is too fast
• 411[04:02:57] <trui> but it'll have to do
• 412[04:03:11] <trui> because centos sounds like a pain
• 413[04:03:14] <set> otyugh: I'M TALKING TO YOU MAN
• 414[04:03:18] <set> hahahah
• 415[04:03:23] <karlpinc> set: Consider using the unoffical installer with non-free firmware included. Saves trouble.
• 416[04:03:27] <karlpinc> !firmware images
• 417[04:03:28] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from replaced-url
• 418[04:03:56] <set> too late, it's already putting an official version
• 419[04:04:01] <trui> though i guess it's actually 3 years, if you're talking official support
• 420[04:04:09] <set> but i'm sure i can configure that after firstboot
• 421[04:04:39] <karlpinc> set: Yes, you have to go through the boot logs looking for "firmware" and then install it. And then reboot.
• 422[04:04:56] <karlpinc> set: Otherwise your hardware might not all work.
• 423[04:04:57] <set> karlpinc: i'll see if it needs it... wireless works.
• 424[04:05:03] <trui> i'll probably wait until buster isn't supported before upgrading
• 425[04:05:05] <set> everything seems alright so far
• 426[04:05:13] <set> it's AMD
• 427[04:05:16] <set> so...
• 428[04:05:26] <set> dmesg looks fine.
• 429[04:05:29] <karlpinc> set: It's wireless that's often the problem. So maybe you lucked out. Wouldn't hurt to check anyway.
• 430[04:05:39] <set> well it installed via wireless
• 431[04:05:46] <set> so...
• 432[04:05:58] <set> i'm guessing supported :)
• 433[04:06:08] <set> my very best educated guess :)
• 434[04:06:15] <karlpinc> set: I'm not sure about dmesg. If the firmware's not there then it _might_ just skip over it there. Or not.
• 435[04:06:19] <set> with some observational credence
• 436[04:06:20] <set> heheh
• 437[04:06:42] <set> i'm not a fan of non-free junk that isn't necessary
• 438[04:06:48] <set> even at a performance hit
• 439[04:06:49] <karlpinc> set: Sometimes some hardware has some features that work and others that don't until you get the right firmware. Just saying.
• 440[04:06:55] <set> yah i know
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• 442[04:07:17] <karlpinc> set: With firmware you don't always have the luxury of only free software. :-(
• 443[04:07:26] <set> well of course not
• 444[04:07:31] <karlpinc> set: Anyway, you seem to be on it so good luck.
• 445[04:07:45] <set> there is not a truly open consumer computer system out there
• 446[04:08:12] <otyugh> set : I think it's unwise to try to tweak a debian for people on a rush. Lot of sub-debian disto exists and are well made for that. I did a lot of install with debian, working with live-build to preconfigure them. It's a big work. So maybe if you don't have the experience to do this right, don't. Or be there to be "the support guy". Because there is rought unconfigured stuff into debian, and beginers just will get stuck
• 447[04:08:13] <otyugh> at one point or another.
• 448[04:08:13] <karlpinc> set: I've had luck with eracks, some time ago.
• 449[04:08:16] <set> even openbsd uses closed-source firmware binaries
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• 451[04:08:50] <set> otyugh: i'm totally just joking with you, i don't even care what you think :)
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• 454[04:09:07] <karlpinc> set: If you've a static ip you might consider setting up a vpn or even a ssh tunnel that starts up when he boots the box and connects to your ip. That way you can ssh in and give support.
• 455[04:09:18] <set> fuck that
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• 457[04:09:59] <set> i don't install call-homes of any kind on general principle.
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• 460[04:10:21] <set> and, if he needs help, i can walk him through connecting it
• 461[04:10:35] <set> but yah, call-homes are bad ideas too
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• 464[04:10:56] <set> gives every hop in the middle location info on a laptop all the time
• 465[04:10:59] <set> no fucking thank you
• 466[04:11:09] <l0rd_hex> hey everyone, is it possible to select syslinux as the bootloader (instead of grub) when doing the inital install?
• 467[04:11:17] <trui> i spend more time helping my parents deal with their windows machines than touching debian
• 468[04:11:19] <set> did i fail to mention THIS IS MY FRIEND?
• 469[04:11:20] <set> hahahah
• 470[04:11:32] <trui> so i'm sure it'll be fine
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• 474[04:11:53] <karlpinc> l0rd_hex: I think I remember being able to do that. You'll want expert mode. Check in the install manual first to be sure.
• 475[04:12:32] <_Myst_> needs some help please guys with a usb, i need to make it usable. probably has fat32 partition. Unable to recognise it with standard commands
• 476[04:12:33] <l0rd_hex> ahh, that makes sense
• 477[04:12:34] <_Myst_> but
• 478[04:12:36] <l0rd_hex> thanks karlpinc
• 479[04:12:39] <trui> my parents get annoyed by: unexpected updates that lose them work, updates that take hours, and one time i found out that windows 7 takes 30+ gb of harddisk space
• 480[04:12:58] <_Myst_> debugfs: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/sdb1
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• 482[04:13:24] <otyugh> _Myst_, do you want to recover the datas or not ?
• 483[04:13:29] <_Myst_> Bus 002 Device 017: ID 090c:3000 Silicon Motion, Inc. - Taiwan (formerly Feiya Technology Corp.) SM3254AD MEMORY BAR
• 484[04:13:57] <_Myst_> no just usable usb, so I can make a bootable usb
• 485[04:14:04] <otyugh> First thing to try is check if it's detected (you can use lsblk or blkid)
• 486[04:14:04] <_Myst_> installer
• 487[04:14:18] <_Myst_> nothing comes up..
• 488[04:14:34] <karlpinc> lsusb
• 489[04:14:48] <_Myst_> "gnome disk shows it" but unable to do anything with it
• 490[04:15:06] <otyugh> if gnomedisk shows it, it should be listed in lsblk
• 491[04:15:07] <_Myst_> Bus 002 Device 019: ID 090c:3000 Silicon Motion, Inc. - Taiwan (formerly Feiya Technology Corp.) SM3254AD MEMORY BAR
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• 493[04:15:14] <_Myst_> thats lsusb
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• 495[04:16:01] <_Myst_> ext2fs_open2: Bad magic number in super-block
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• 497[04:16:26] <_Myst_> debugfs -c /dev/sdb1
• 498[04:16:33] <l0rd_hex> hexdump -C /dev/sdb1 | more is your friend too
• 499[04:16:37] <_Myst_> debugfs: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/sdb1
• 500[04:16:49] <_Myst_> thanks will try
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• 503[04:17:13] <_Myst_> all zeros
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• 505[04:17:19] <l0rd_hex> not good
• 506[04:17:21] <_Myst_> is it screwed
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• 509[04:20:37] <_Myst_> hexdump -C /dev/sdb1
• 510[04:20:38] <_Myst_> 00000000 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................|
• 511[04:20:40] <_Myst_> *
• 512[04:20:49] <_Myst_> does this mean the drive is dead
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• 514[04:22:30] <otyugh> Man. You tell me it doesn't appear in lsblk and then you do things on /dev/sdb1 ? °o°
• 515[04:22:56] <otyugh> To test if it's screwed just write something on it, why not try ?
• 516[04:24:10] <dvs> _Myst_, if you don't need anything on it, you could just repartition it.
• 517[04:24:41] <_Myst_> how
• 518[04:24:50] <_Myst_> if ununreadable
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• 520[04:25:00] <otyugh> You don't need to read to write
• 521[04:25:06] <_Myst_> not showing up
• 522[04:25:18] <otyugh> you just told us you tried stuff on /dev/sdb1
• 523[04:25:26] <otyugh> Make some sense, please
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• 531[04:33:53] <otyugh> For the record, I just found why firefox was associated to images. The culprit is the textfile in /usr/lib/mime/packages/firefox-esr.
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• 534[04:38:35] <dvs> _Myst_, not showing up in what? Did you try sudo fdisk -l
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• 537[04:41:49] <grendal_prime> HOLA CHICKAS!!
• 538[04:42:07] <grendal_prime> OHLA CHICKAS!!
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• 540[04:44:10] <grendal_prime> I have a question about drm and streaming services...it seems like well..they are being tooled to make opensource os's difficult to use.
• 541[04:45:41] <dvs> grendal_prime, I don't know a streaming service that is happy when a third-party app tries to use a service.
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• 559[05:00:08] <cupcake90> Hi any any news on xfce 4.14 on buster, is it coming
• 560[05:01:28] <dvs> cupcake90, not for buster
• 561[05:01:51] <cupcake90> dvs: Is it possible to install?
• 562[05:02:00] <cupcake90> any support issue
• 563[05:02:18] <dvs> cupcake90, it's still being tested
• 564[05:03:02] <JackFrost> Well, that is it didn't make it in time for buster's release.
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• 568[05:05:00] <cupcake90> hope it will fix unlock screen issue
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• 570[05:06:20] <JackFrost> That would be light-locker, you can replace that with xscreensaver or xfce4-screensaver.
• 571[05:06:26] <dvs> cupcake90, you can file a bug if there is a problem with the current version.
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• 573[05:06:36] <_Myst_> dvs: sorry was on phone.. fdisk shows nothing gnome-disk-utility shows it as sdb, gparted shows nothing. gnome disk will not let you do anything with it.
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• 577[05:08:25] <dvs> _Myst_, wow, I guess it's done.
• 578[05:08:32] <cupcake90> dvs: seems like I am not alone replaced-url
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• 598[05:40:45] <zapatista> For almost two months (since the upgrade to 10.2)
• 599[05:41:02] <zapatista> there is four updates stuck in the software updates list.
• 600[05:41:11] <zapatista> They are marked to be kept.
• 601[05:41:34] <zapatista> Should I upgrade them manually or is there a reason to keep them at their current level.
• 602[05:41:37] <zapatista> ?
• 603[05:42:40] <otyugh> why are they stuck ?
• 604[05:43:13] <zapatista> I believe they are marked as "keep at current level", so apt-get upgrade simply skip them.
• 605[05:43:50] <zapatista> I can upgrade them using aptitude but I am not willing to do so, since they might be some security implications regarding them.
• 606[05:43:53] <otyugh> what are theses packages ?
• 607[05:44:14] <zapatista> It is related to web stuff and java stuff. Let me check exact names.
• 608[05:44:40] <zapatista> No they are entirely related to web stuff.
• 609[05:45:33] <otyugh> what did you do to get them as "keep at current level" then ?
• 610[05:45:36] <zapatista> girl1.2.javascript...... girl1.2-webkit...... libjavascript....
• 611[05:45:55] <otyugh> what do you get doing "apt-cache policy girl1.2.javascript" for instance ?
• 612[05:46:02] <zapatista> I did not. I used the passive voice. I did not mark them, they "are marked".
• 613[05:46:25] <zapatista> Let me check...
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• 615[05:47:14] <otyugh> amha, if you hadn't done anything "out of the manual", you shouldn't have that. I never had.
• 616[05:47:45] <otyugh> Well unless you did a whole distro upgrade maybe.
• 617[05:48:12] <zapatista> Ok. Good to know. I mean having some packages marked "as keep at the current level" is an annoyance for me an triggers OCD response from me.
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• 619[05:48:45] <zapatista> I recently installed the 10 version, since I had to upgrade my disks.
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• 622[05:49:34] <otyugh> well to me you have to unhold them
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• 624[05:49:47] <zapatista> You mean I need to install them?
• 625[05:50:05] <jelly> zapatista: pastebin the output of "apt --dry-run full-upgrade", do those get upgraded or touched in any way?
• 626[05:50:30] <otyugh> Obey jelly, he is totally more accurate than me :p
• 627[05:50:43] <zapatista> I can force them to install but am suspicious that devs may have reason for keeping them back.
• 628[05:50:47] <zapatista> OK I will do it.
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• 633[05:54:32] <zapatista> Here it is: replaced-url
• 634[05:56:18] <otyugh> looks good to me
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• 636[05:57:28] <zapatista> But when I do the upgrade the terminal says they will be kept back.
• 637[05:57:33] <zapatista> I don't understand.
• 638[05:58:21] <otyugh> using "apt full-upgrade" ?
• 639[05:59:02] <zapatista> No apt-get update followed by apt-get upgrade. In past, that always upgraded the packages.
• 640[05:59:04] <jelly> zapatista: some important/security updates introduce new dependencies, and doing just "upgrade" won't pull those
• 641[05:59:07] <zapatista> Now it does not.
• 642[05:59:22] <zapatista> So should I upgrade or not?
• 643[05:59:45] <jelly> zapatista: you should do an equivalent of "apt-get dist-upgrade" or "apt full-upgrade"
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• 645[05:59:51] <otyugh> Yes (or I don't get it)
• 646[05:59:58] <themill> zapatista: you should use "upgrade" and then if it tells you there are packages kept back, you should full-upgrade to install them
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• 648[06:00:25] <zapatista> Ok. I understand. Now I shall do it as you instructed and problem is solved.
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• 651[06:01:17] <zapatista> Problem is really solved.
• 652[06:01:18] <jelly> latest fix for libwebkit2gtk-4.0-37 seems to have introduced a new dependency on xdg-dbus-proxy
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• 654[06:01:31] <zapatista> Yes it also upgrade that too.
• 655[06:01:43] <jelly> it installed that
• 656[06:01:50] <zapatista> dbus thing was not on the upgrade list but installed it.
• 657[06:02:01] <otyugh> (... I'm using debian for years and never had to use the "full-upgrade" thing. Never had the issue yet °o°)
• 658[06:02:09] <zapatista> Thank you for your time.
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• 660[06:03:36] <jim> I have a source package (dpkg-source -x something.dsc) and it has some build depends
• 661[06:03:39] <jim> how would I install those?
• 662[06:03:56] <jelly> otyugh: it used to be called dist-upgrade (which confused some people about its purpose)
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• 665[06:06:37] <jelly> jim: if it came from a configured deb-src repo, apt build-dep something. If it didn't, one way is to use mk-build-dep (from devscripts)
• 666[06:06:48] <jelly> mk-build-deps *
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• 668[06:08:01] <jim> except it's not in the archive anymore... ok, let me try that see if it works
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• 673[06:09:43] <jim> oh, the web page finally returned the page... it says mk-build-deps --install <controfile>
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• 683[06:21:47] <jim> ok, that much worked... now I get a perl error, when running "perl -MPerl::APIReference -MConfig -e 'print Perl::APIReference->new(perl_version => $Config{version})->as_yaml_calltips() . "\n";' > ./share/languages/perl5/perlapi_current.yml": the message is "Can't locate Perl/APIReference.pm in @INC (you may need to install the Perl::APIReference module) (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/perl/5.28.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.28.1
• 684[06:21:47] <jim> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/perl5/5.28 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/perl/5.28 /usr/share/perl/5.28 /usr/local/lib/site_perl /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/perl-base .)."
• 685[06:22:58] <jim> oops, got some " ... ' ... "foofoo" ...
• 686[06:23:07] <jim> ' ... "
• 687[06:23:18] <jim> going in that last thing
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• 933[09:32:32] <vlt> Hello. When booting from a live ISO, how can I automatically spin down any hard drive (`hdparm -y /deb/sda`, for example). I mean, how to find out if any and where a hard drive is?
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• 935[09:34:24] <jm_> ls /sys/block, lsblk -d etc.
• 936[09:35:01] <jm_> -dp might be even more helpful
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• 938[09:38:11] <toruvinn> /proc/partitions tends to also include block devices
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• 942[09:40:01] <jm_> yeah that too
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• 981[10:08:40] <vlt> jm_, toruvinn: Thank you!
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• 1000[10:17:20] <vlt> jm_: replaced-url
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• 1017[10:28:47] <jm_> vlt: I would try grep 1 /sys/block/*/removable
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• 1019[10:29:21] <jm_> or rather, grep 0 to get non-removable ones
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• 1028[10:33:40] <vlt> jm_: Nice idea! Thanks. But I also get devices that are not removable and also not a disk (like "dm-0" and the loops): replaced-url
• 1029[10:34:14] <vlt> I'll have to combine that with `lsblk`'s "disk" output.
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• 1031[10:34:45] <vlt> Thank you!
• 1032[10:35:26] <Regor> what is default passwd manager/keyring in buster ? i am about to install pass if there is no default installed with minimum setup..
• 1033[10:35:30] <jm_> I would do lsblk -do NAMR and then grep
• 1034[10:35:56] <jm_> and grep 0 /sys/block/$F/removable on those
• 1035[10:36:18] <jm_> -do NAME that is
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• 1065[10:57:59] <vlt> jm_: `lsblk -do NAME,TYPE` seems to work :)
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• 1071[11:00:49] <colo-work> has anything in LXC changed between stretch and buster that makes /dev/pts/ in containers not mount properly?
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• 1090[11:09:01] <jelly> "probably"
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• 1093[11:16:22] <vlt> jm_: I have been more ashamed of code: replaced-url
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• 1105[11:25:28] <nyov> vlt: neat. though you should probably include a shebang for bash. or, why don't you just put the awk call after the grep, before the loop?
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• 1116[11:40:15] <Fox> no need for awk replaced-url
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• 1156[12:15:53] <vlt> nyov, Fox: Great! Thank you! :-)
• 1157[12:16:00] <vlt> TIL
• 1158[12:16:37] <nyov> and while we're at it, use grep -q
• 1159[12:17:04] * vlt reads man grep
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• 1185[12:35:05] <jm_> you do know you can say if [[ ]]; then some code; more code; fi? I assume you are referring to this &&
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• 1188[12:41:38] <ratrace> "Dear Linus, thanks for fertilizing the Stratis marketing field. Yours, the RedHat^W IBM management. PS. The cheque is in the mail"
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• 1197[12:49:43] <vlt> jm_: Now I know.
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• 1226[13:01:55] <hejux> there are 3 rng-tools, which one should i use? and why there are 3 packages?
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• 1228[13:02:26] <hejux> wt* is debian doing?
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• 1231[13:03:21] <ratrace> packaging what ever tf the upstream is doing
• 1232[13:04:18] <hejux> rng-tools rng-tools-debian rng-tools5
• 1233[13:04:35] <jm_> package descriptions explain some things already
• 1234[13:04:38] <hejux> is upstream releasing 3 packages?
• 1235[13:04:43] <ratrace> basically, if you read descriptions of each, tools5 is recommended
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• 1245[13:06:27] <hejux> ratrace: i see now, thanks
• 1246[13:06:44] <hejux> jm_:thanks also
• 1247[13:07:31] <jm_> no problem
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• 1278[13:31:32] <H2Q> hello, I am getting this error during an upgrade; replaced-url
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• 1281[13:32:38] <H2Q> can I just remove "ping" without breaking anything, so it perhaps solves that?
• 1282[13:33:03] <jolt> H2Q: You can try and remove the ping package you have installed, perhaps "dpkg -l|grep ping", then dpkg -r <package>
• 1283[13:33:08] <grewtin> hey
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• 1288[13:35:08] <Chrys0pras3> Good morning. I'm noticing a few problems with my toshiba laptop from 2007: Unable to play 1080p video, frequently freezing with firefox due to only 4gb ram and slow swap. No longer able to run virtual machines due to incompatible CPU. I love this laptop, but any ideas for an upgrade? I don't want to pay for a windos OS I'll never use. Only need debian, although wouldn't mind a Mac dual boot.
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• 1297[13:37:11] <H2Q> there are both inetutils-ping and iputils-ping, but no package that is called only 'ping'..should I remove both or one of them?
• 1298[13:37:13] <jelly> Chrys0pras3: a $250 2012-2013 laptop with sandybridge or ivybridge and intel gpu ought to work fine
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• 1300[13:37:25] <H2Q> I found out that both complement each other
• 1301[13:37:37] <jolt> H2Q: I would remove both, it's just ping, you can reinstall it later
• 1302[13:37:50] <H2Q> when I install ping ,they are installed back?
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• 1304[13:38:03] <jolt> H2Q: install iputils-ping later
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• 1310[13:38:54] <hejux> Chrys0pras3: macbook air 2013
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• 1312[13:39:26] <H2Q> sorry, it was called 'iputils-arping' is it the same package? should I remove it?
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• 1314[13:39:41] <jolt> H2Q: If it blocks, then remove it. It's non-essential
• 1315[13:39:43] <hejux> arp ping is another thing
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• 1317[13:40:17] <H2Q> ok, upgrade works now, after I removed only inetutils-ping
• 1318[13:40:24] <H2Q> thank you very much, jolt
• 1319[13:40:28] <jolt> H2Q: np!
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• 1324[13:41:53] <hejux> H2Q: apt install apt-file ; apt-file update ; apt-file search ping
• 1325[13:42:01] <hejux> will tell you which package has ping
• 1326[13:42:22] <jolt> I prefer packages.debian.org, so I don't have to update anything
• 1327[13:42:37] <grewtin> apt-clean
• 1328[13:43:19] <grewtin> ping net-tools ? dnsutils ? traceroute ? whois ? :-)
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• 1334[13:44:59] <H2Q> I also have one more question. I upgraded to buster, and I got 'the following packages habe been kept back' and that they are 'upgradable'...I found that I could run either 'apt-get --with-new-pkgs upgrade' or 'apt install <kept-back packages list>...are they the same, or should I prefer one?
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• 1339[13:45:55] <grewtin> .
• 1340[13:46:01] <hejux> like pacman better over apt
• 1341[13:46:10] <hejux> pacman is so great
• 1342[13:46:53] <H2Q> ok, the first command didnt work anyway
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• 1346[13:47:24] <hejux> H2Q: apt-get dist-upgrade
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• 1348[13:47:38] <H2Q> hejux, I already upgraded to buster, what dist-upgrade is this going to be?
• 1349[13:47:48] <hejux> man apt-get
• 1350[13:47:52] <karlpinc> H2Q: "apt-get upgrade" (or similar) wasn't enuogh?
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• 1352[13:48:07] <H2Q> karlpinc that is after which I got the kept-back message
• 1353[13:48:25] <H2Q> If man pages were enough there wouldnt be irc
• 1354[13:48:43] <jm_> dist-upgrade is far less strict than upgrade, so yes, it can help in such situations
• 1355[13:48:52] <karlpinc> h2Q: You didn't follow the release notes. They said something like "apt full-upgrade".
• 1356[13:48:55] <H2Q> ah, thank you jm_
• 1357[13:48:56] <karlpinc> !stretch->buster
• 1358[13:48:56] <hejux> H2Q: man apt-get , search dist-upgrade
• 1359[13:49:07] <phreeck_84> "Xsession: warning: unable to write to /tmp: X session may exit with an error" i have this error after installing new kernel 5.4
• 1360[13:49:12] <H2Q> karlpinc, I did follow them
• 1361[13:49:13] <hejux> why is that so hard? do you want me to paste the description here?
• 1362[13:49:15] <H2Q> there are both
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• 1364[13:49:31] <H2Q> hejux, no worries, I think I will try it
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• 1366[13:50:07] <karlpinc> H2Q: I belive an "apt full-upgrade" does exactly what "apt-get dist-upgrade" does, although I've not looked really closely.
• 1367[13:50:27] <JackFrost> Basically.
• 1368[13:50:29] <jm_> judd kernels
• 1369[13:50:30] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.5.0-rc5-686 (5.5~rc5-1~exp1); sid: 5.4.0-2-686 (5.4.8-1); bullseye: 5.3.0-3-686-pae (5.3.15-1); buster-backports: 5.3.0-0.bpo.2-686 (5.3.9-2~bpo10+1); buster: 4.19.0-6-686 (4.19.67-2+deb10u2); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.19.67-2+deb10u2~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-11-686-pae (4.9.189-3+deb9u2); jessie-backports:
• 1370[13:50:31] <judd> 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.11-686-pae (4.9.189-3+deb9u2~deb8u1)
• 1371[13:50:34] <Chrys0pras3> jelly, hejux: what if I want a 256GB SSD and 8GB ram minimum?
• 1372[13:50:38] <karlpinc> H2Q: "man less" will tell you how to search in "man".
• 1373[13:50:43] <jm_> phreeck_84: as in sid?
• 1374[13:50:49] <H2Q> ok, dist-upgrade installs them
• 1375[13:50:51] <hejux> Chrys0pras3: then get a pc ...
• 1376[13:51:02] <phreeck_84> i think so
• 1377[13:51:07] <jelly> Chrys0pras3: I have a 240GB mSATA SSD an 16GB in my 2012 Thinkpad T420s.
• 1378[13:51:13] <hejux> H2Q: type '/' to search
• 1379[13:51:39] <phreeck_84> i have no problem running as root
• 1380[13:51:47] <jm_> maybe check BTS then
• 1381[13:51:50] <karlpinc> H2Q: (or even "h", while in "man whatever")
• 1382[13:51:57] <jelly> okay, that's a 2013 model
• 1383[13:52:06] <jelly> still sandybridge gen
• 1384[13:52:47] <jelly> Chrys0pras3: so depending on your budget, you can get something like that or anything newer
• 1385[13:52:52] <phreeck_84> sudo chmod 1777 /tmp will fix this?
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• 1387[13:53:07] <|s|> 777 is all permission
• 1388[13:53:08] <karlpinc> I've a 120G SSD and 4G RAM with a i386 intel atom in one of those teensy laptops.
• 1389[13:53:10] <|s|> 1 i no
• 1390[13:53:15] <jelly> phreeck_84: that's default permission for /tmp, yes
• 1391[13:53:23] <phreeck_84> 1777 ?
• 1392[13:53:27] <jelly> yes, 1777
• 1393[13:53:29] <H2Q> thank you all!
• 1394[13:53:31] <karlpinc> (But you won't be happy with those specs. :-)
• 1395[13:53:47] <hejux> man something, then type / to search, type / then keywords then \b to search exact word
• 1396[13:53:55] <Chrys0pras3> jelly: how did you manage that, replace whole motherboard?
• 1397[13:54:06] <phreeck_84> how do i check current permission?
• 1398[13:54:24] <phreeck_84> maybe its something else i susspect
• 1399[13:54:27] <hejux> man apt-get, type /dist-upgrade\b to search exact dist-upgrade.
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• 1402[13:55:12] <jelly> Chrys0pras3: no, nothing was changed, just added a new ssd and 2x8GB DDR3 SO-DIMM
• 1403[13:55:16] <hejux> \b is a reg expression, tell it to match exactly whole word
• 1404[13:55:17] <|s|> why not
• 1405[13:55:36] <jelly> Chrys0pras3: and even removed old SATA SSD, so there's an empty 2.5" SATA laptop slot.
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• 1416[14:01:08] <hejux> im still using a 2013 macbook air 11" with i5-4250u and 4GB ram, 128GB ssd
• 1417[14:01:16] <hejux> fast enough for me...
• 1418[14:01:32] <jelly> that's haswell and even newer than what I suggested
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• 1424[14:03:44] <petn-randall> hejux: \b matches the word boundary.
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• 1438[14:13:19] <hejux> petn-randall:good to know, thanks
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• 1443[14:18:33] <dob1> petn-randall, but \b itself is nothing itself right? like (\bfoobar\b) _foobar_ the group will be foobar
• 1444[14:18:54] <dob1> ops wrong example *foobar*
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• 1466[14:33:28] <petn-randall> dob1: \b matches the space between word and non-word. So "foo bar10" could be matched with this regex: '\bfoo\b \bbar\b10'.
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• 1474[14:36:42] <karlpinc> H2Q: Anyhow, the last thing the upgrade instructions tell you to do is "apt full-upgrade". After which you should not have any packages left to upgrade.
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• 1538[15:19:00] <gecko_x2> i'm trying to enable ufw firewall on a host that boots over iscsi, how can i exclude the dedicated iscsi network intefaces from being flushed when ufw starts, and prevent the connection from being lost?
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• 1541[15:19:43] <gecko_x2> anyone know? i tried adding entries in /etc/ufw/before.rules
• 1542[15:20:08] <gecko_x2> -A ufw-before-output -p tcp -i enp1s0f0 -d 10.0.0.1 --dport 3260 -j ACCEPT
• 1543[15:20:39] <gecko_x2> to no avail, the iscsi connection to root block device is immediately reset as i start ufw
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• 1595[16:01:09] <vagrantsoul> is it possible to upgrade a running system from debian 7 to something newer?
• 1596[16:01:40] <colo-work> sure. but you need to upgrade 7->8->9->10
• 1597[16:01:44] <colo-work> (can't skip releases)
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• 1606[16:05:53] <vagrantsoul> colo-work: I don't mind doing that. It's a vps, hopefully this will not change the answer
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• 1611[16:06:28] <colo-work> vagrantsoul, that shouldn't matter much, usually
• 1612[16:06:58] <themill> as long as you're not inside some container that doesn't let you update your kernel
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• 1617[16:09:18] <vagrantsoul> themill: I should be alright with that. It's on xen iirc
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• 1621[16:11:12] <vagrantsoul> so.. how to do it?
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• 1632[16:15:27] <mrtnt> I have a machine with IBM ServeRAID 8k(managed with arcconf) controller. This RAID controller has two SATA drives in RAID1. Is it possible to connect either of the drives directly to PC? Maybe someone has an experience..
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• 1637[16:17:20] <jhutchins_wk> mrtnt: There wouldn't be any reason not to just hook one up to a direct sata connection and see what it does.
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• 1642[16:20:31] <mrtnt> jhutchins_wk: unfortunately, I'm not near the physical machine. I'm just wondering, is it generally possible to connect drives which have been in RAID1 behind the physical RAID controller directly to SATA connection.
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• 1644[16:22:26] <colo-work> depends a whole lot on the controller, and where it keeps the metadata
• 1645[16:22:41] <colo-work> the only way to make sure is TIAS
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• 1648[16:24:19] <gvth> the Debian manual tells that bootable iso images can be written to usb-sticks by issuing "cp debian.iso /dev/sdX". Is this true? I remembe the command as different but I don't know anymore how exactly it was...
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• 1650[16:24:43] <greycat> Yes, it's true.
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• 1652[16:25:16] <gvth> greycat: thanks :-)
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• 1654[16:25:51] <jhutchins_wk> gvth: You may remember using dd if=/iso of=/dev/sdX
• 1655[16:26:11] <greycat> hopefully with more options than that...
• 1656[16:26:22] <mrtnt> colo-work: I guessed the same. Thanks!
• 1657[16:26:22] <gvth> jhutchins_wk: yes. Is this line obsolete?
• 1658[16:26:43] <greycat> dd also works. But if you use dd, I strongly urge you to set a larger than default block size (bs=).
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• 1664[16:30:58] <phogg> 512 byte blocks ought to be big enough for everyone
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• 1675[16:39:39] <gvth> okay, I have written the image to the usb stick. fdisk tells about the partition table the following. Does this seem to be bootable? I wonder that the first partition is empty... replaced-url
• 1676[16:40:20] <greycat> Hybrid ISO images are deep voodoo. Don't worry about what non-magical tools tell you about them. Just try to boot it.
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• 1679[16:41:16] <gvth> greycat: I don't want to boot it now but keep it in reserve because my main system is striking often these days...
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• 1689[16:48:43] <ska> Im getting ‘ rendered as some strange [] character in xterm. Anyone know how to fix it?
• 1690[16:49:22] <greycat> It could be a locale issue. What does "locale" say inside that xterm?
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• 1696[16:51:12] <ska> replaced-url
• 1697[16:51:29] <jelly> ska: is that xterm running with -u8 option?
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• 1699[16:51:55] <jelly> ska: if you run a new "uxterm" does the same thing happen?
• 1700[16:52:44] <ska> jelly: renders ok in uxterm....
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• 1703[16:53:22] <ska> Im not passing any -u8 to the xterm though.
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• 1707[16:54:05] <jelly> it won't do UTF-8 unless you ask it to.
• 1708[16:54:22] <tw> Is there a way to hide the container indicator bar in i3? Example: replaced-url
• 1709[16:54:48] <greycat> If I'm understanding the man page correctly, the only difference between xterm and uxterm is the latter forces the "-class UXTerm"... which makes me wonder if you're setting the plain XTerm's class in an X resource
• 1710[16:54:50] <ska> jelly: Do you run uxterm normally? Or should i just ignore it?
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• 1713[16:55:44] <greycat> jelly: xterm in Debian does UTF-8 for me by default
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• 1715[16:56:07] <greycat> and my only Xresources are 4 lines beginning with Rxvt*
• 1716[16:56:18] <ska> greycat: thats odd. I don't see anything special in my .Xresources or other files.
• 1717[16:56:45] <jelly> ska: I usually don't use xterm at all
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• 1719[16:57:21] <ska> greycat: you sure you don't have xterm aliased to uxterm or such?
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• 1723[16:58:05] <greycat> I'm sure. I tried running uxterm and xterm from a terminal, and they both act the same, with the only immediately visible difference being the title bar.
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• 1725[16:59:25] <ska> ok.. unknown...
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• 1729[17:00:19] <tw> uxterm starts xterm with the class set to uxterm and -u8 appended to the cmdline.
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• 1731[17:00:55] <greycat> Ah, the -u8 is hiding. Need to pass the "w" to see it.
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• 1733[17:01:17] <tw> so ps tells me. But my xterm also supports unicode, even without the extra cmd.
• 1734[17:01:26] <greycat> Same here.
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• 1737[17:03:41] <gordonfish> ska: What version of Debian and xterm are you using?
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• 1741[17:05:26] <ska> Debian 10.2 and XTerm(344)
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• 1745[17:08:54] <jelly> I'm still on Debian 9 here, so that may be a difference
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• 1747[17:09:38] <ska> Its my configuration somewhere.
• 1748[17:09:38] <Haohmaru> u wot
• 1749[17:09:40] <greycat> Debian 10 here, xterm 344, and UTF-8 just works out of the box.
• 1750[17:09:47] <Haohmaru> jelly u sinner
• 1751[17:10:02] <greycat> ska: you could try creating a new temporary user account and seeing if that one has the same issues
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• 1754[17:11:31] <tw> Same, deb10, xterm 344-1, no magic required for unicode. Though it does really poorly with hidpi, even starting x with `X -dpi 157` xterm handles it very poorly.
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• 1756[17:11:41] <tw> rxvt too, but I fixed that one since I use it.
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• 1762[17:15:41] <beinbliss4> Hi, has anyone encountered such problem maybe? replaced-url
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• 1764[17:16:23] <simplicius> hello
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• 1766[17:16:47] <simplicius> when I open up VLC it takes all the screen I don't have access to other windows..
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• 1769[17:17:46] <greycat> wow, replaced-url
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• 1771[17:17:51] <spacebug^> simplicius: You might be in full screen mode? F11 switches between window/full screen
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• 1777[17:18:33] <jelly> beinbliss4: which debian release is this, are you using a custom kernel?
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• 1781[17:19:58] <beinbliss4> jelly: debian 9 , i am using 4.19.89 kernel
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• 1788[17:21:22] <gvth> I am also using Debian 9 stretch but umame -r tells me "4.19.0-0.bpo.6-amd64"
• 1789[17:21:54] <beinbliss4> its bakcported kernel
• 1790[17:22:01] <greycat> I think there are newer stretch-backports kernels, by the way.
• 1791[17:22:02] <beinbliss4> from stretch-backports
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• 1793[17:22:06] <greycat> judd says 4.19.67-2+deb10u2~bpo9+1
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• 1797[17:22:42] <jelly> judd might be out of date there with them kernels.
• 1798[17:22:44] <greycat> oh, never mind, the .6 is in the package name, not the version
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• 1801[17:22:56] <simplicius> hello
• 1802[17:22:57] <simplicius> in VLC I don't have access to other windows.. I can only use VLC or quit it..
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• 1804[17:23:22] <greycat> 11:17 spacebug^> simplicius: You might be in full screen mode? F11 switches between window/full screen
• 1805[17:24:08] <simplicius> greycat, thanks it worked
• 1806[17:24:13] <gvth> greycat: I am using a kernel from stretch-backports
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• 1810[17:24:34] <greycat> yes, everyone knows that.. I just thought you might not be using the latest one, because I misread judd's output
• 1811[17:25:16] <gvth> greycat: ^^ whom do you mean with "you"?
• 1812[17:25:31] <greycat> ... not worth my time any more. *plonk*
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• 1814[17:26:14] <beinbliss4> jelly: maybe u know why iptables doesn't find already loaded module?
• 1815[17:26:18] <gvth> greycat: sorry ...
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• 1820[17:28:22] <jelly> beinbliss4: I do not know enough, eg. whether the xt_ module is relevant for iptables or not. It is also possible you need newer iptables userspace.
• 1821[17:28:44] <hejux> gvth: debian's kernel name are weird
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• 1823[17:29:22] <jelly> beinbliss4: my 4.19.0-0.bpo.6-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.19.67-2+deb10u2~bpo9+1 kernel from stretch-backports does not have xt_ipp2p.ko at all
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• 1827[17:30:37] <greycat> "locate xt_ipp2p.ko" gives me no output, on buster, with buster's current kernel
• 1828[17:30:45] <beinbliss4> because it is from xtables-addons
• 1829[17:30:46] <beinbliss4> package
• 1830[17:30:55] <hejux> so 'dpkg -l | grep linux-' i got linux-base 4.6 ; linux-image-4.19.0-7-amd64 4.19.87-1 ; linux-image-amd64 4.19+105+deb10u2 .
• 1831[17:31:09] <hejux> can anybody tell me what the f are those versions?
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• 1833[17:31:23] <ska> greycat: I think its my font: 10x24 doesn't allow UTF..
• 1834[17:31:25] <hejux> uname -a tells me : 4.19.0-7-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.19.87-1 (2019-12-03)
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• 1836[17:31:27] <greycat> 4.19.0-7-amd64 is the ABI version
• 1837[17:31:55] <hejux> so? it's 4.6 or 4.19.87 or 4.19.105?
• 1838[17:32:09] <jelly> ,v xtables-addons-dkms
• 1839[17:32:10] <judd> Package: xtables-addons-dkms on amd64 -- jessie: 2.6-1; stretch: 2.12-0.1; bullseye: 3.7-1; sid: 3.7-1
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• 1841[17:32:13] <greycat> The ABI version defines when you need to recompile third-party modules. If the ABI version gets bumped to *-8-* then you'll need to rebuild them, if you have any.
• 1842[17:32:16] <ska> Sorry. font - 10x20
• 1843[17:32:36] <hejux> i'm just so confused... i don't know what kernel version i am running
• 1844[17:32:36] <greycat> If a kernel package update does NOT change the ABI version, then the current modules will continue working.
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• 1849[17:33:22] <greycat> hejux: you're running a 4.19 kernel based on upstream's version 4.19.87
• 1850[17:34:03] <hejux> greycat: great to know, btw thanks a lot for your help in #bash :)
• 1851[17:34:23] <hejux> it's just debian makes things too complicated.
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• 1853[17:35:55] <greycat> so there's a -7- image, huh... wonder why the linux-image-amd64 meta package isn't depending on it
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• 1855[17:36:03] <jelly> ska: what if you use -misc-fixed-medium-r-normal--20-200-75-75-c-100-iso10646-1 instead of 10x20 ?
• 1856[17:36:03] <hejux> i had to say i love arch more, it's really simple and straight forward.
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• 1858[17:37:26] <greycat> ,v linux-image-4.19.0-7-amd64
• 1859[17:37:27] <judd> Package: linux-image-4.19.0-7-amd64 on amd64 -- buster-proposed-updates: 4.19.87-1
• 1860[17:37:33] <greycat> oh, *proposed* updates
• 1861[17:37:39] <jelly> beinbliss4: it might also be you need a backported xtables-addons-dkms to make things actually work with newer kernel? Dunno.
• 1862[17:37:50] <ska> jelly: works fine there.. I'll use that going forward. Is that the largest size that looks goo as fixed size?
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• 1864[17:38:21] <jelly> ska: there's a 12x24 that I personally do not like. Consider looking at bitmapped Terminus stuff
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• 1866[17:39:07] <beinbliss4> jelly: i think that if module is loaded already it shouldnt give any problems? this module was built against this kernel.
• 1867[17:39:16] <ska> ok.. That font is perfect though looks like 10x20
• 1868[17:39:31] <jelly> ska: also, replaced-url
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• 1872[17:40:12] <jelly> beinbliss4: it theory it ought to work yes. Did it work with default 4.9 kernels from stretch?
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• 1877[17:41:20] <beinbliss4> yes , because debian has xtables-addons-dkms package , but if you upgrade to backported kernel then xtables-addons-dkms fails to install and i need to take newer xtables version from source
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• 1879[17:42:03] <jelly> ,checkbackport xtables-addons-dkms --fromrelease buster --torelease stretch
• 1880[17:42:04] <judd> No package named 'xtables-addons-dkms' was found in buster/amd64.
• 1881[17:42:09] <jelly> ,checkbackport xtables-addons --fromrelease buster --torelease stretch
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• 1883[17:42:11] <judd> No package named 'xtables-addons' was found in buster/amd64.
• 1884[17:42:16] * jelly sighs
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• 1888[17:42:32] <greycat> wooledg:~$ apt-cache search xtables addon
• 1889[17:42:32] <greycat> wooledg:~$
• 1890[17:42:57] <greycat> same if I drop the s from xtables
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• 1892[17:43:17] <beinbliss4> 2.12-0.1 500
• 1893[17:43:17] <beinbliss4> 500 replaced-url
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• 1895[17:43:25] <jelly> it's in main
• 1896[17:43:30] <beinbliss4> apt-cache policy xtables-addons-dkms
• 1897[17:43:35] <jelly> and 'xtables-addons' is the source package name
• 1898[17:43:36] <greycat> ,v xtables-addons-dkms
• 1899[17:43:37] <judd> Package: xtables-addons-dkms on amd64 -- jessie: 2.6-1; stretch: 2.12-0.1; bullseye: 3.7-1; sid: 3.7-1
• 1900[17:43:42] <jelly> oh
• 1901[17:43:46] <jelly> hah
• 1902[17:43:51] * greycat looks at the buster-shaped hole in judd's output
• 1903[17:43:54] <jelly> ,checkbackport xtables-addons --fromrelease sid --torelease stretch
• 1904[17:43:55] <judd> Backporting package xtables-addons in sid→stretch/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using stretch.
• 1905[17:44:13] <jelly> beinbliss4: try making a Simple Sid Backport and using that
• 1906[17:44:18] <jelly> !simple sid backport
• 1907[17:44:19] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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• 1910[17:44:48] <jelly> not much different than grabbing the source
• 1911[17:45:04] <jelly> just a little more clean from the package management point
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• 1916[17:46:50] <jelly> dpkg-checkbuilddeps: error: Unmet build dependencies: iptables-dev (>= 1.6.0-3~)
• 1917[17:47:21] <beinbliss4> i can install directly from unstable
• 1918[17:47:54] <jhutchins_wk> beinbliss4: Yes, you can brick your system.
• 1919[17:47:55] <jelly> I would strongly advise against that, even if dkms probably does not change much
• 1920[17:48:03] <jaakkos> I wonder if there is a technical reason why wireguard is not in buster-backports
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• 1922[17:48:19] <jelly> beinbliss4: install iptables-dev from stretch-backports, and try making a proper backport build
• 1923[17:48:26] <greycat> things only get made and uploaded as *-backports when someone wants to do it
• 1924[17:48:28] <jelly> ,v wireguard
• 1925[17:48:29] <judd> Package: wireguard on amd64 -- bullseye: 0.0.20191219-1; sid: 0.0.20191219-1
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• 1928[17:49:10] <jhutchins_wk> jelly: New packages don't usually get backported, do they?
• 1929[17:49:20] <jelly> beinbliss4: in fact, I wonder if merely installing iptables from stretch-backports might make things better
• 1930[17:49:26] <greycat> if you want a buster-backports of wireguard to exist, your best strategy is to find a Debian Developer and bribe/seduce/swindle them into doing it
• 1931[17:49:34] <jelly> jhutchins_wk: what greycat just said.
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• 1933[17:49:42] <greycat> if you just want to USE wireguard, building your own backport may be a lot less investment
• 1934[17:49:53] <jelly> it's always on request
• 1935[17:50:02] <jelly> so... ask on the backports list.
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• 1937[17:50:56] <beinbliss4> jelly: yes, i had to upgrade iptables too from 1.6.2 to 1.8.4 and it works now
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• 1939[17:52:02] <jelly> I don't want to ask where you got 1.8.4 from.
• 1940[17:52:05] <beinbliss4> so basically i built 4.19.89 (because of tons of ipsec fixes), then built ipp2p against it and then upgraded iptables to buster one
• 1941[17:52:23] <jelly> or what else got upgraded with it
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• 1943[17:52:45] <beinbliss4> nothing
• 1944[17:52:47] <greycat> if you're doing all this crazy stuff, why are you using stretch?
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• 1946[17:53:56] <beinbliss4> well its a long story
• 1947[17:54:07] <jelly> because changing just the kernel (and a small number of kernel-adjacent bits) is a lot easier than upending the whole userspace?
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• 1949[17:54:53] <jaakkos> re: wireguard: thanks for the replies
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• 1951[17:55:51] <beinbliss4> I could move to buster , but its not lts, ill wait for bullseye
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• 1953[17:56:20] <greycat> ... what
• 1954[17:56:25] <beinbliss4> lots of stuff needs to be rebuilt for for 5.x
• 1955[17:56:34] <beinbliss4> thats why iam tied to 4.19
• 1956[17:57:04] <greycat> All Debian releases "are LTS" in the sense that they will receive support for several years.
• 1957[17:57:26] <beinbliss4> i jump every second release
• 1958[17:57:31] <jelly> beinbliss4: the plan right now is for each debian release to have some sort of LTS support
• 1959[17:58:12] <beinbliss4> plus buster still does not have xfrm fixes, i would need to build it myself anyway
• 1960[17:58:13] <jelly> (by the Debian LTS team, which is separate from first 2-3 years)
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• 1962[17:58:16] <beinbliss4> its kinda a tearing experience
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• 1964[17:59:39] <beinbliss4> well anyway, I appreciate your help, thanks. gotta go afk for few moments.
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• 1968[18:01:35] <jelly> if they're tied to 4.19, avoiding the OS release with that exact kernel seems unusual
• 1969[18:01:46] <jelly> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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• 1972[18:03:38] <karlpinc> ,checkbackports libnl-xfrm-3-200
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• 1974[18:04:16] <annadane> non-plural
• 1975[18:04:25] <annadane> ,checkbackport libnl-xfrm-3-200
• 1976[18:04:26] <judd> Backporting package libnl-xfrm-3-200 in sid→buster/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using buster.
• 1977[18:04:51] <karlpinc> ,versions libnl-xfrm-3-200
• 1978[18:04:52] <judd> Package: libnl-xfrm-3-200 on amd64 -- stretch: 3.2.27-2; stretch-backports: 3.4.0-1~bpo9+1; buster: 3.4.0-1; bullseye: 3.4.0-1+b1; sid: 3.4.0-1+b1
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• 1984[18:09:36] <enyc> jaybe: /join #macosx
• 1985[18:09:38] <enyc> oops
• 1986[18:09:42] <enyc> wrong channel ;p
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• 1998[18:21:03] <enyc> jelly, beinbliss4: don't forget about ELTS being a thing now too =)
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• 2000[18:21:54] <greycat> I'm thinking that's a one-off just for wheezy and not likely to happen again.
• 2001[18:23:38] <jelly> enyc: if you're a paying customer, sure
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• 2020[18:33:31] <SerajewelKS> what's the recommended way to install wireguard on buster? the debian wiki suggests installing the sid packages, which seems like it would create a frakendebian.
• 2021[18:33:46] <annadane> pfft
• 2022[18:33:50] <annadane> nice....
• 2023[18:34:00] <annadane> ,checkbackport wireguard
• 2024[18:34:01] <judd> Backporting package wireguard in sid→buster/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: debhelper-compat (= 12).
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• 2032[18:35:46] <gordonfish> SerajewelKS: Debiken?
• 2033[18:35:56] <jelly> ^ that's not correct, judd has a bug looking up versioned Provides right now
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• 2036[18:36:50] <jelly> ,provides debhelper
• 2037[18:36:51] <judd> Package debhelper in buster/amd64 provides: debhelper-compat (= 9), debhelper-compat (= 10), debhelper-compat (= 11), debhelper-compat (= 12), dh-sequence-dwz, dh-sequence-installinitramfs, dh-sequence-systemd.
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• 2041[18:37:23] <jelly> (see that debhelper-compat (= 12))
• 2042[18:37:59] <jaakkos> SerajewelKS: I'm in the process of creating an Ansible playbook that frankendebianizes machines exactly for this purpose...
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• 2045[18:40:27] <jelly> backporting is HARD!
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• 2047[18:41:12] <jaakkos> Truth is I'm lazy and busy :( and need to solve OpenVPN performance problems :)
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• 2051[18:41:33] <jaakkos> Though still considering between wireguard and ipsec...
• 2052[18:42:13] <jaakkos> SerajewelKS: you have probably noted that Wireguard website also recommends frankendebian
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• 2055[18:42:51] * jelly does a backport on 32bit stretch just to see if it trivial
• 2056[18:43:11] <jelly> yep, that was trivially easy.
• 2057[18:43:13] <jelly> dpkg-deb: building package 'wireguard-dkms' in '../wireguard-dkms_0.0.20191219-1~0jelly1_all.deb'.
• 2058[18:43:27] <jelly> jaakkos: you have no excuse!
• 2059[18:43:38] <jaakkos> Hmm.
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• 2061[18:44:21] <jelly> Building initial module for 4.19.0-0.bpo.6-amd64
• 2062[18:44:22] <jelly> Done.
• 2063[18:44:28] <jelly> really, no excuse.
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• 2065[18:45:08] * jelly has no idea why wireguard is so much betterer that any other vpn
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• 2067[18:45:37] <jaakkos> There is still the case of keeping wireguard updated though
• 2068[18:45:54] <jaakkos> But I'll consider building it
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• 2071[18:46:57] <jaakkos> jelly: wireguard is some 3000 lines of code compared to hundred(s) of thousands in other solutions. It avoids a ton of context switches compared to OpenVPN as it runs in the kernel.
• 2072[18:47:25] <jaakkos> Plus the feature set is quite spot on what I (and probably many others) really want from VPN
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• 2074[18:47:55] <jaakkos> Though I'm not sure if the idea of only supporting one ciphersuite is the best, it sounds to me upgrading is a nightmare if you have hundreds of users
• 2075[18:48:26] <jaakkos> jelly: wireguard also processes traffic multi-threaded compared to OpenVPN's single thread per stream
• 2076[18:49:11] <jaakkos> Just a few things affecting myself right now. We're in trouble with Intel Atom based gateway that runs OpenVPN - it's just too slow.
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• 2084[18:51:42] * jelly looks at a random wireguard installer and shudders
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• 2086[18:52:25] <jelly> echo "deb replaced-url
• 2087[18:52:25] <jelly> printf 'Package: *\nPin: release a=unstable\nPin-Priority: 90\n' > /etc/apt/preferences.d/limit-unstable
• 2088[18:52:30] <jelly> ...
• 2089[18:52:30] * lupine pats openvpn
• 2090[18:52:33] <lupine> once it's done, it's done
• 2091[18:53:30] <jaakkos> jelly: yes, this is what Debian wiki and Wireguard website recommend
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• 2093[18:54:22] <lupine> sounds like a terrible idea
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• 2095[18:55:20] <jelly> it is, in fact, a terrible idea
• 2096[18:55:35] <riezaizu> why when downloading a package from the debian site, I don't get the actual binary but just metadata about it?
• 2097[18:55:51] <jelly> jaakkos: which vpns have 100k lines of code? tinc is 18k
• 2098[18:56:11] <greycat> why when hearing a question do not hear the actual question but only metadata about questions
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• 2100[18:56:32] <riezaizu> greycat, while that was supposed to be funny, my question makes sense.
• 2101[18:56:41] <riezaizu> I download the package, but there is no binary
• 2102[18:56:59] <greycat> It is not answerable until you tell us the package, unless you expect us to take SEVERAL minutes going over EVERY possible answer.
• 2103[18:57:01] <jelly> riezaizu: how precisely did you download it?
• 2104[18:57:06] <jelly> !ask
• 2105[18:57:06] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
• 2106[18:57:11] <riezaizu> Hold on, will find link
• 2107[18:57:26] <greycat> You didn't use "apt-get install ___"?
• 2108[18:57:37] <jelly> "from the debian site"
• 2109[18:58:01] <greycat> To me that usually means using apt or apt-get....
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• 2111[18:58:08] <jelly> you're weird
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• 2113[18:58:53] <jelly> "from site" conjursed an image of a web browser and a http(s) download
• 2114[18:58:59] <jaakkos> jelly: according to wireguard presentation, strongswan+xfrm is 420ksloc, openvpn 120ksloc
• 2115[18:59:29] <lupine> so?
• 2116[18:59:40] <jelly> jaakkos: they hand-picked those examples. strongswan is ipsec, openvpn has zillions of options
• 2117[18:59:52] <greycat> jelly: maybe they're NOT running Debian, but they wanted a package from Debian, so they downloaded it by hand
• 2118[19:00:01] <lupine> you'd expect them to deb-src it
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• 2121[19:00:14] <greycat> I'd expect them to tell us the name of the freaking package
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• 2123[19:00:28] <lupine> :p
• 2124[19:00:30] <jaakkos> jelly: sure the source is probably biased :) What about strongswan being ipsec though?
• 2125[19:00:30] <jelly> greycat: that is usually why one gets stuff from site, yes, or getting a single package from a newer release
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• 2127[19:00:44] <lupine> also note that cloudflare are doing a hostile takeover of wireguard
• 2128[19:00:50] <jelly> jaakkos: ipsec specs have thousands of pages or so
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• 2131[19:01:05] <lupine> best avoided for that reason alone
• 2132[19:01:13] <jaakkos> jelly: sure but I don't know why that fact is relevant in this context
• 2133[19:01:15] <SerajewelKS> jaakkos: we run tinc on an embedded system and have the same performance problems
• 2134[19:01:26] <jelly> jaakkos: of course it will have LOTS of code
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• 2138[19:01:46] <riezaizu> Think I made a mistake, nvm
• 2139[19:02:07] <jelly> I can't even say which vpn I'm using right now, it's that obscure and likely insecure :-)
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• 2141[19:02:56] <jaakkos> jelly: it will (have lots of code), but if the reasoning is that having small amount of code is a good thing, it doesn't matter *why* there is lots of code
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• 2145[19:03:57] <jelly> jaakkos: it matters if they picked the thing intentionally as a biased example, instead of, dunno, ocserv
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• 2147[19:04:31] <jaakkos> Of course blindly looking at the amount of code ignores some nice qualities like actually supporting Windows, OSX etc. without any 3rd party software if you do IPsec :)
• 2148[19:05:02] <spacebug^> if I only need to temporarily write a file to disk should I use /var/run/user/xxx ? tmpfs is only ram?
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• 2150[19:05:25] <SerajewelKS> i can't imagine any single thing more a pain in the ass to configure than ipsec, with the possibly exception of any ldap server
• 2151[19:05:33] <greycat> spacebug^: it's very reasonable to do that, as long as the files won't fill RAM
• 2152[19:05:34] <jelly> spacebug^: tmpfs is ram+swap backed.
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• 2156[19:06:25] <annadane> isn't wireguard planned to be included in kernel 5.6 or whatever it is? the snarky answer would be to compile it yourself or wait for the backported kernel :P
• 2157[19:06:43] <annadane> (i said snarky, not helpful)
• 2158[19:06:52] <spacebug^> I will write three lines to a file ever 30 minutes (over writing the old stuff) or so and I don't want to have my SSD write so often if I can do it to ram instead.
• 2159[19:07:04] <jelly> annadane: backporting is compiling.
• 2160[19:07:04] <spacebug^> thanks greycat and jelly I will try that then
• 2161[19:07:10] <annadane> touche.
• 2162[19:07:19] <annadane> but i meant, official backports
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• 2164[19:07:28] <jelly> installing a dkms deb, also compiling.
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• 2166[19:07:58] <HicksD> anyone familiar with lto tapes that might be able to help troubleshoot a speed bottleneck? copying large files to tape (lto5) is topping out at about 66MB/s despite lto5 being capable of 140MB/s (uncompressed) and the source drive is nvme so can easily keep up.
• 2167[19:08:08] <SerajewelKS> spacebug^: that's a great candidate for using tmpfs actually, frequently-changing small amount of data
• 2168[19:08:17] <HicksD> Wondering if there's anything extra config wise with debian that might be getting in the way?
• 2169[19:08:27] <jaakkos> SerajewelKS: I do agree about those being a pain... but there is sometmies a lot of value in deploying those, because so many things support them out-of-box :)
• 2170[19:08:38] <jelly> HicksD: is your software using large block sizes?
• 2171[19:08:59] <spacebug^> SerajewelKS: great
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• 2174[19:09:10] <jelly> HicksD: 256KiB output blocks to tape
• 2175[19:09:12] <HicksD> not using software yet, just troubleshooting with dd and/or tar. Tried using 512K blocksize
• 2176[19:09:18] <jelly> good
• 2177[19:09:20] <jaakkos> SerajewelKS: if you configure that sort of stuff a lot, please use config management (say, Ansible) so you don't have to remember and do everything again in the future
• 2178[19:09:32] <jaakkos> SerajewelKS: just my 5 cents from what I've learned in the past few years
• 2179[19:09:43] <HicksD> last test was dd if=foo of=/dev/nst0 bs=512K and it completed a 2GB transfer in ~30s at 66MB/s
• 2180[19:09:50] <jelly> HicksD: we get anywhere from 50-250MB/s to LTO4, and LTO5 is similar.
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• 2182[19:10:06] <HicksD> I've not been able to exceed 66MB so far :(
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• 2185[19:10:42] <jelly> HicksD: is foo uncompressible data?
• 2186[19:10:47] <expert975> How do I know what video driver I'm using?
• 2187[19:11:00] <HicksD> 66MB/s I could make do with, but I'm concerned this might be a little low and risk shoe shine.
• 2188[19:11:07] <HicksD> it's raw video
• 2189[19:11:11] <HicksD> dv
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• 2191[19:11:38] <gvth> I have written a hybrid live iso image to usb-stick. Can I just pull it out of the laptop? There is nothing to unmount
• 2192[19:12:22] <expert975> gvth: I would run 'sync' before unplugging it, just for luck
• 2193[19:12:35] <gvth> expert975: and that's it?
• 2194[19:12:49] <expert975> gvth: Wait for the command to return and pull it
• 2195[19:12:51] <jelly> HicksD: LTO has measures to reduce shoe-shine, but I don't have minimum bw required for LTO5 nearby (reduces the parallel writes from all the 512 or so heads to less than that)
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• 2197[19:12:59] <gvth> expert975: thanks
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• 2201[19:14:56] <HicksD> replaced-url
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• 2203[19:15:05] <HicksD> although stshowoptions did seem sane
• 2204[19:15:06] <jelly> HicksD: is 2MiB or 256KiB obs any different?
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• 2206[19:15:36] <jelly> HicksD: is the input file cached in memory completely?
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• 2208[19:16:10] <HicksD> Not sure if it's cached, but it's read from nvme, I can look at memcache later and double check if it makes any difference though
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• 2211[19:16:46] <HicksD> Have to nip out, if there's anything you can think of that I can run test wise let me know, if not I'll do some more googling later on :)
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• 2215[19:17:57] <jelly> good luck. We use IBMtape drivers instead of kernel st, and I have no idea whether the in-kernel stuff is broken or needs extra massaging
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• 2218[19:18:39] <jelly> er. "lin_tape",
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• 2226[19:21:22] <hugo__> Hello, i am looking for a way to find the number of day in a specified month. I tried --> date -d "-$(date +%d) days month" +%Y-%m-%d. Works fine but i can't specify the month. Could you help me please ?
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• 2231[19:23:13] <jelly> hugo__: total number of days in a specific (year, month) ?
• 2232[19:23:30] <greycat> hugo__: There are two approaches. The first approach is that you implement the logic of the Gregorian calendar yourself (and restrict yourself to the years where the Gregorian calendar holds).
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• 2235[19:24:01] <jelly> the "cal" command implements the logic of the Gregorian calendar
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• 2237[19:24:17] <greycat> hugo__: The second is you use some egregious GNU date(1) hackery that involves picking a date in the middle of the target month, doing "+1 month" to advance to the next month, stripping the date and replacing it with 01, then doing "-1 day" to get the final day of the previous (target) montgh.
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• 2240[19:24:37] <greycat> I guess the third is you use some egregious cal(1) parsing hackery.
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• 2243[19:25:33] <jelly> :-)
• 2244[19:26:16] <greycat> I guess that out of all the horrifying things I've seen people do with cal(1) output, getting the last field of the last line is one of the least horrifying.
• 2245[19:27:02] <greycat> I'll call that a viable answer for this problem.
• 2246[19:27:23] <jelly> cal 2 2024 | awk '/[0-9]/ {a=$NF} END {print a}'
• 2247[19:27:36] <jelly> the last line is full of space :-\
• 2248[19:28:01] <hugo__> jelly, the last day in a month, 30 or 31
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• 2253[19:28:26] <greycat> May 2020 appears to be the first month (upcoming) where cal doesn't end with an empty line.
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• 2257[19:28:52] <jelly> oh, it uses the exact number of lines every time?
• 2258[19:28:54] <greycat> I guess someone decided cal should ALWAYS print 6 lines of dates, even when the month only has 4 or 5.
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• 2260[19:29:16] <jelly> that makes things easier if you're outputing the whole year
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• 2264[19:29:22] <jelly> outputting?
• 2265[19:29:27] <greycat> "cal 2 2015" ends with 2 empty lines, so yeah
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• 2267[19:29:55] <jelly> hugo__: see implementation of third option above.
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• 2273[19:32:52] <jelly> not a solution: shuf -n1 <<< $'28\n29\n30\n31'
• 2274[19:32:56] <seere> date +%d -d "2020-05-01 - 1 days"
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• 2277[19:33:13] <seere> for GNU date
• 2278[19:33:14] <greycat> seere: that's not robust enough. It can fail in weird ways.
• 2279[19:33:29] <seere> greycat: when?
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• 2281[19:33:50] <greycat> seere: or rather, I should say that it's only HALF the solution, because you have already somehow magically advanced to the FUTURE month from the target month. And it's the advancing of the month that needs the extra caution.
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• 2284[19:34:19] <jelly> GNU date has been fixed to deal with daylight saving shenanigans I think
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• 2286[19:34:53] <jelly> but if a crazy country picks the last day of month to do stuff, who knows
• 2287[19:35:51] <jelly> I can imagine 2030-05-01T00:00:00 - 1 days to easily be 2030-03-31T23:00:00 because reasons
• 2288[19:37:37] <greycat> GNU date -d doesn't seem to like 2020-03-08T00:01:00 format
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• 2290[19:38:14] <jelly> s/T/ /
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• 2295[19:38:38] <greycat> I am pretty stumped here trying to find a way to specify a date and time and an offset to GNU date -d without putting the legacy three-character local time zone string in there.
• 2296[19:39:17] <greycat> And it won't even let me APPROXIMATE it either.
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• 2298[19:39:45] <greycat> Nor can I just use US/Eastern... hmm, I didn't try America/New_York yet...
• 2299[19:39:56] <greycat> Nope, doesn't like that either.
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• 2301[19:40:14] <greycat> It wants a legacy DST-dependent three character string and if I guess the wrong one (EST instead of EDT) it blows up.
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• 2303[19:40:57] <greycat> replaced-url
• 2304[19:41:21] <jelly> TZ=UTC date -d '2020-03-08 00:01:00+1 - 1 days'
• 2305[19:41:36] <greycat> that +1 is DST-dependent, right?
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• 2307[19:42:40] <jelly> the result suggests it is but "+1" should not have DST
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• 2309[19:43:22] <jelly> oh, no, it's fine, I'm just bad at reading
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• 2311[19:44:22] * jelly gives up, cal wins
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• 2313[19:46:01] <greycat> For the record, implementing the Gregorian rules isn't terribly hard. It's a simple lookup array for 11 months, and then a if/elseif/elseif... for February. If the year mod 400 is 0, it's 29. Else, if the year mod 100 is 0, it's 28. Else, if the year mod 4 is 0, it's 29. Else, it's 28.
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• 2339[20:03:40] <phogg> for this I would use a non-trivial perl oneliner: perl -mDate::Calc -e 'use v5.10; say Date::Calc::Days_in_Month(shift, shift);' 2020 2; or a more trivial perl6/raku oneliner: perl6 -e 'Date.new(|@replaced-ip).days-in-month.say' 2020 2
• 2340[20:04:03] <greycat> is Date::Calc part of the base perl language, or does it require *installing* something?
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• 2342[20:04:21] <phogg> I forget, but I think it's shipped with it
• 2343[20:04:44] <greycat> libdate-calc-perl - Perl library for accessing dates
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• 2345[20:05:14] <phogg> seems like no, then.
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• 2347[20:06:00] <phogg> oh well, at least on the raku side it's built in for sure. Maybe in 20 years you'll be able to rely on that being installed everywhere.
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• 2351[20:08:28] <phogg> if you have to install a module anyway it may as well be Time::DaysInMonth
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• 2353[20:08:39] <afernandez> how do i install clamav in debian 10
• 2354[20:08:47] <greycat> why in the hell is there an entire separate *package* for that
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• 2356[20:09:15] <phogg> greycat: herding cats is hard
• 2357[20:10:03] <greycat> ah, apparently not a separate package -- part of libtime-parsedate-perl
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• 2376[20:25:30] <misterred> hi
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• 2378[20:26:30] <misterred> Distro for beginners?(code purposes)
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• 2382[20:28:01] <greycat> If you can't handle Debian, you can't handle writing code.
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• 2385[20:28:25] <misterred> ok..
• 2386[20:28:50] <misterred> so, ubuntu / debian / mint / ..?
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• 2388[20:29:10] <greycat> What specifically do you dislike about Debian?
• 2389[20:29:19] <diogenes_> misterred, the very webpage of Debian says: Debian -- The Universal Operating System
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• 2392[20:31:52] <jim> SerajewelKS, hi... are you here?
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• 2402[20:34:37] <annadane> debian will suit you just fine but keep in mind that debian stable (the only one you should be using unless you want to contribute to development) has old(er) versions of languages, so you probably want to compile your own into a folder or something
• 2403[20:34:42] <annadane> debian is a good *base*
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• 2405[20:35:48] <sponix> annadane: think picking and choosing from backports would handle that ?
• 2406[20:35:54] <annadane> for some things sure
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• 2408[20:36:14] <sponix> mtn: aye
• 2409[20:36:30] <mtn> sponix: :)
• 2410[20:36:41] <jolonah> aieeeeeeeee
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• 2412[20:36:59] <sponix> mtn: I sent you an invite to a new spotchat hangout
• 2413[20:37:05] <jim> skiing any good up there?
• 2414[20:37:10] <annadane> perl/python aren't going to get backported, golang maybe
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• 2416[20:37:24] <mtn> sponix: I didn't see it
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• 2420[20:38:42] <greycat> I seriously despise people who need to use the "latest bleeding edge" versions of development tools. Their products probably need bleeding edge runtime libraries, and in any case, can't be backported to older systems in any sane way.
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• 2426[20:39:34] <cast4d> that's what usually happens with modern software
• 2427[20:39:48] <greycat> modern software can go jump in the lake
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• 2436[20:45:02] <jim> is that a new feature?
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• 2439[20:46:14] <jhutchins_wk> ,v ansible-lint
• 2440[20:46:16] <judd> Package: ansible-lint on amd64 -- stretch-backports: 4.1.0+dfsg.1-1~bpo9+1; buster: 4.1.0+dfsg.1-1; bullseye: 4.2.0-1; sid: 4.2.0-1
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• 2445[20:47:53] <jhutchins_wk> ,v ansible
• 2446[20:47:55] <judd> Package: ansible on amd64 -- jessie: 1.7.2+dfsg-2; jessie-security: 1.7.2+dfsg-2+deb8u2; stretch: 2.2.1.0-2+deb9u1; stretch-security: 2.2.1.0-2+deb9u1; stretch-backports: 2.7.5+dfsg-1~bpo9+1; buster: 2.7.7+dfsg-1; bullseye: 2.9.2+dfsg-1; sid: 2.9.2+dfsg-1
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• 2461[20:51:40] <HicksD> jelly: Noticed quantum have a diagnostic app on their site, although needed windows or redhat. Anyhow, ran the test in a windows vm with passthrough (not the greatest idea, but yeilded some interesting results) replaced-url
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• 2465[20:52:13] <HicksD> regardless of blocksize the write seems to top out at 69MB/s
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• 2467[20:52:46] <HicksD> Which tallies with what I'm seeing via debian, so I guess the OS may not be the bottleneck.
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• 2476[20:57:10] <jhutchins_wk> ,checkbackport ansible-lint
• 2477[20:57:11] <judd> Backporting package ansible-lint in sid→buster/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: debhelper-compat (= 12).
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• 2481[20:58:05] <sponix> dpkg paste
• 2482[20:58:06] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
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• 2508[21:10:49] <Bushmaster> Hi, apolozy (z instead of g in Apolozy cos I ain't any goddamn English) to pain brush off topic; I am interested to know the Kodi Box Amazon sells can provide stable media center ... to run my Apache Media Server
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• 2535[21:21:56] <Bushmaster> Hi, apolozy (z instead of g in Apolozy cos I ain't any goddamn English) to paint brush off topic; I am interested to know the Kodi Box Amazon sells can provide stable media center ... to run my Apache Media Server
• 2536[21:22:02] <greycat> *plonk*
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• 2541[21:24:04] <annadane> uh maybe ask ##linux or amazon itself
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• 2580[21:53:00] <MidnightRanger> Hello to all. To anyone who is familiar with dwm, is there a way to immediately switch to a higlighted tag without have to use modekey+{1..9}?
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• 2590[21:59:28] <nyov> should be possible. find the urgent/highlighted tag/workspace (reuse the code that highlights it) and then switch to it
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• 2593[21:59:42] <nyov> though I don't know about dwm exactly.
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• 2595[22:00:23] <nyov> MidnightRanger: replaced-url
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• 2597[22:00:49] <Bushmaster> Hi, apolozy (z instead of g in Apolozy cos I ain't any goddamn English) to paint brush off topic; I am interested to know the Kodi Box Amazon sells can provide stable media center ... to run my Apache Media Server
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• 2599[22:01:07] <dvs> Bushmaster, you are not going to get the answer to that here.
• 2600[22:01:30] <MidnightRanger> thank you nyov..that might be the answer. I will try it.
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• 2620[22:12:08] <Bushmaster> Hi, apolozy (z instead of g in Apolozy cos I ain't any goddamn English) to paint brush off topic; I am interested to know the Kodi Box Amazon sells can provide stable media center ... to run my Apache Media Server
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• 2650[22:38:28] <spacebug^> So, after some reading it seems that unlocking LUKS using TMP 2 is way beyond my skill level or comfort zone
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• 2659[22:42:38] <Aebian> is there a preferred method on how to remove kate and konquereor from kde? I use Chrome and Sublime Text and have no need for the default apps. However since they are in the base package apt obviously tries to remove kde as well
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• 2676[22:51:22] <Hammerschlag> I prefer gnome.. KDE is confusing if you're also windows user
• 2677[22:51:29] <Hammerschlag> looks like your APT also prefer gnome
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• 2688[22:58:04] <annadane> i think the general way you do it is like, equivs?
• 2689[22:58:13] <annadane> but i have no idea how to do it specifically
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• 2691[22:58:47] <greycat> is "removing kde" actually a problem?
• 2692[22:58:52] <greycat> ,info kde
• 2693[22:58:53] <judd> No package named 'kde' was found in buster/amd64.
• 2694[22:59:04] <greycat> what is the ACTUAL package name that it wants to remove that concerns you?
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• 2696[23:00:27] <Dark_hunter> #flood
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• 2700[23:02:16] <Dark_hunter> i am using parrot os and my laptop has a fingerprint reader. Can i use it to unlock linux?
• 2701[23:02:42] <greycat> !parrot
• 2702[23:02:42] <dpkg> Parrot Linux is a distribution based on <testing> for security experts, developers and privacy aware people. It is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Support can be found in #parrotsec on Freenode or the community pages replaced-url
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• 2704[23:03:00] <annadane> what do you mean "unlock linux"
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• 2708[23:03:17] <annadane> if you mean parrot specifically ask them, freenode may also have a general hardware channel
• 2709[23:03:30] <annadane> also parrot is not debian, in future please don't ask here
• 2710[23:03:46] <joepublic> freenode has ##hardware
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• 2712[23:03:59] <Dark_hunter> annadane: the fingerprint reader works in windows so i was asking for parrot.
• 2713[23:04:07] <Dark_hunter> ok i will not ask again
• 2714[23:04:09] <greycat> then ask #parrotsec like the bot said
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• 2717[23:04:28] <annadane> you can't use, like, a password?
• 2718[23:04:53] <Dark_hunter> sure, but i wanted to use the sensor, its easy.
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• 2721[23:05:00] <Dark_hunter> can i do it if i install debian?
• 2722[23:05:25] <Aebian> greycat: a bunch of, --> replaced-url
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• 2724[23:06:06] <greycat> I am 100% not going to click on an IMAGE of text
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• 2726[23:06:17] <Dark_hunter> Aebian: which distro are you using?
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• 2728[23:06:24] <Aebian> debian buster
• 2729[23:06:30] <Aebian> with kde plasma
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• 2731[23:06:45] <Dark_hunter> Hmm, the macos touch is nice.
• 2732[23:06:54] <Aebian> greycat: kde-standard
• 2733[23:09:49] <annadane> the only thing i can find regarding fingerprint scanning in debian is the package fprintd
• 2734[23:09:49] <annadane> you may want to check the wiki
• 2735[23:09:50] <graphicsv> I have A ThinkPad L380 Yoga and the clickpad doesn't work properly. How can I fix it?
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• 2737[23:09:51] <Dark_hunter> hey, isn't parrotOs based on debian?
• 2738[23:09:51] <Aebian> is the package that certainly will be removed if I click yes
• 2739[23:09:51] <greycat> ,info kde-standard
• 2740[23:09:51] <greycat> Damn it judd!
• 2741[23:09:51] <Aebian> :(
• 2742[23:09:51] <greycat> Anyway, if you do "apt-cache show kde-standard" locally you can plainly see it's a metapackage. It says so right in the description.
• 2743[23:09:51] <greycat> !metapackage
• 2744[23:09:51] <greycat> et tu, dpkg?!
• 2745[23:09:51] <Aebian> Aebian: !metapackage
• 2746[23:09:51] <greycat> A metapackage is not actually software. It's just a package that depends on other packages, so that you can install them all with a single selection.
• 2747[23:09:51] <Aebian> ah ok
• 2748[23:09:51] <judd> Package kde-standard (metapackages, optional) in buster/amd64: KDE Plasma Desktop and standard set of applications. Version: 5:102; Size: 15.1k; Installed: 21k; Homepage: replaced-url
• 2749[23:09:51] <dpkg> A metapackage is a package that normally exists for convenience. It has no content, it just depends on other packages so that you don't have to have a hundred things on an apt-get/aptitude command line. The version of a metapackage can be misleading -- look at what it depends on instead (see the kde metapackage for an example).
• 2750[23:09:51] <Dark_hunter> actually i can't locate the hardware by using the lsusb command
• 2751[23:10:02] <greycat> !based on debian
• 2752[23:10:02] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
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• 2754[23:10:44] <greycat> *snort* ... dpkg says to see the "kde" metapackage, but there isn't one. not any more.
• 2755[23:10:59] <Dark_hunter> hey, is dpkg a bot?
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• 2758[23:11:39] <annadane> parrot is based on debian but the two are different so asking about parrot here probably won't be helpful, and yes, dpkg is a bot in irc and also the low-level package management tool used in debian
• 2759[23:12:15] <Dark_hunter> ok ok, let's say i have debian.
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• 2761[23:12:20] <greycat> *plonk*
• 2762[23:12:39] <pasiz> let's say i'm millionaire...
• 2763[23:13:02] <Dark_hunter> so, here's the thing. i installed opera browser from a .deb package in my system
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• 2765[23:13:13] <Dark_hunter> now i can access it by typing opera in terminal
• 2766[23:13:22] <Dark_hunter> but i can locate its icon
• 2767[23:13:28] <Dark_hunter> can't
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• 2769[23:13:36] <Aebian> thanks, removal worked
• 2770[23:13:42] <annadane> you probably need to create a .desktop file
• 2771[23:13:47] <Dark_hunter> it is not in the application list
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• 2773[23:13:55] <Dark_hunter> how can locate it?
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• 2775[23:15:21] <pasiz> Dark_hunter: which opera
• 2776[23:15:27] <Dark_hunter> can you tell me how to make the .desktop file. i can't find it in the application list or like anywhere.
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• 2778[23:15:27] <pasiz> to locate the binary
• 2779[23:15:36] <Dark_hunter> pasiz: opera browser
• 2780[23:15:42] <annadane> replaced-url
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• 2783[23:16:05] <pasiz> Dark_hunter: on your terminal, you type which opera to show where opera binary lies
• 2784[23:16:25] <greycat> this assumes there is a command named 'opera' somewhere
• 2785[23:16:26] <annadane> (which sounds weird but many of us do use the arch wiki for reference, it's that good, just don't take what it says unquestioningly)
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• 2787[23:16:45] <Dark_hunter> got it
• 2788[23:16:47] <pasiz> greycat: if Dark_hunter could start opera on command line, then there is
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• 2790[23:16:55] <Dark_hunter> replaced-url
• 2791[23:17:31] <Dark_hunter> sorry the image link was in my clipboard
• 2792[23:17:41] <annadane> no, it just means Dark_hunter typed ./opera or something
• 2793[23:17:54] <annadane> which means 'execute opera'
• 2794[23:18:04] <greycat> ehhh...
• 2795[23:18:05] <Dark_hunter> after running 'which opera' i got /usr/bin/opera
• 2796[23:18:10] <annadane> to actually get a start menu like entry, you need a .desktop file
• 2797[23:18:24] <pasiz> Dark_hunter: that is the path on binary, you need to put on your .desktop file
• 2798[23:18:28] <annadane> well, i'm not sure how to associate icons with things in /usr/bin
• 2799[23:18:37] <annadane> there you go, what pasiz said
• 2800[23:18:44] <greycat> typing 'opera' means 'execute opera, searching first in the shell's builtins and so forth, and then in $PATH'
• 2801[23:19:04] <greycat> typing './opera' means 'execute the program named opera which is in the current directory'
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• 2804[23:19:44] <Dark_hunter> i just type 'opera' in the terminal
• 2805[23:19:49] <pasiz> greycat: i'm glad you have learned basics of nix systems
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• 2807[23:20:08] <greycat> Someone has to, so they can constantly correct all the partly wrong answers.
• 2808[23:20:54] <Dark_hunter> i am in the folder
• 2809[23:21:04] <Dark_hunter> now there is a file named opera
• 2810[23:21:07] <pasiz> Dark_hunter: did you read the link
• 2811[23:21:07] <Dark_hunter> what now?
• 2812[23:21:22] <pasiz> that annadane get you
• 2813[23:21:30] <Dark_hunter> pasiz: sorry, i didn't get it which one
• 2814[23:21:39] <Dark_hunter> can you send it again?
• 2815[23:21:39] <pasiz> 00:15 < annadane> replaced-url
• 2816[23:22:09] <pasiz> i hope greycat doesn't teach me how to paste correctly in irssi
• 2817[23:23:41] <Dark_hunter> It has lots of things in the webpage.
• 2818[23:23:55] <Dark_hunter> can you guide me the exact procedure
• 2819[23:24:06] <Dark_hunter> i am kind of a novice in linux
• 2820[23:24:41] <annadane> btw just a general warning, don't go randomly installing .deb files you find on the internet
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• 2822[23:25:00] <Dark_hunter> no, i installed it from the official site
• 2823[23:25:10] <annadane> meh
• 2824[23:25:16] <annadane> up to you, i tend to avoid it
• 2825[23:25:35] <Dark_hunter> replaced-url
• 2826[23:25:38] <Dark_hunter> here
• 2827[23:26:07] <Dark_hunter> yeah, i also generally use the apt install command.
• 2828[23:26:29] <Dark_hunter> So, any help here?
• 2829[23:26:43] <Dark_hunter> how can i create the icon"
• 2830[23:27:53] <annadane> i would probably read sections 1 and 2.1 and section 3 for icons
• 2831[23:27:56] <annadane> at a quick glance
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• 2834[23:28:26] <annadane> there probably is a debian wiki entry for .desktop things, i really should link that instead of being lazy
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• 2836[23:29:28] <annadane> just like, take out the arch specific things on that webpage
• 2837[23:29:29] <Dark_hunter> pleas help me guys
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• 2839[23:29:34] <annadane> other than that it should be the same
• 2840[23:29:39] <annadane> i already told you what to do
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• 2843[23:31:51] <Dark_hunter> so, annadane, where you from?
• 2844[23:32:16] <annadane> please stay on-topic, this is a debian channel
• 2845[23:32:26] <annadane> for support questios
• 2846[23:32:27] <annadane> ns
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• 2850[23:33:23] <annadane> Dark_hunter, you may want to ask ##linux for more help
• 2851[23:33:36] <annadane> (/join ##linux)
• 2852[23:33:48] <annadane> (note the double hash mark, because it's an 'unofficial' channel)
• 2853[23:34:05] <Dark_hunter> does # means official?
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• 2856[23:34:26] <annadane> more or less
• 2857[23:34:49] <annadane> it doesn't really matter, i was just telling you in case you wondered why, just wanted to specify it was double so you don't end up trying the wrong one
• 2858[23:35:07] <Dark_hunter> ohh, ok.
• 2859[23:35:31] <Dark_hunter> actually i ignored the second #
• 2860[23:36:20] <pasiz> if you join linux, it would join to ##linux
• 2861[23:36:38] <annadane> it's not a super strong convention, just that that channel happens to be ##linux instead of #linux
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• 2863[23:38:06] <Dark_hunter> So, you are an official support executive?
• 2864[23:38:33] <annadane> nooooo
• 2865[23:38:48] <pasiz> Dark_hunter: and you still haven't joined ##linux
• 2866[23:38:54] <Dark_hunter> then you are a member like me??
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• 2868[23:39:17] <Dark_hunter> pasiz: i will sometime.
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• 2870[23:39:34] <pasiz> like said, this is for debian questions
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• 2873[23:40:53] <Dark_hunter> yeah, i know.
• 2874[23:40:59] <Dark_hunter> I have debian
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• 2876[23:41:38] <annadane> i don't think debian even has 'official' support members? we have mailing lists, and forums, but i mean, no one is really getting paid to do this
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• 2882[23:42:09] <annadane> i meant to say irc but sure, forums too
• 2883[23:42:10] <pasiz> Dark_hunter: opera installed from opera web site is not part of debian distribution
• 2884[23:42:28] <pasiz> and 00:12 < Dark_hunter> ok ok, let's say i have debian.
• 2885[23:42:53] <pasiz> 00:02 < Dark_hunter> i am using parrot os and my laptop has a fingerprint reader. Can i use it to unlock linux?
• 2886[23:42:59] <Dark_hunter> so why are you guys talking all formal
• 2887[23:43:20] * pasiz stops being formal
• 2888[23:43:29] <Dark_hunter> pasiz: i use dual os parrot and debian. any problems?
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• 2895[23:44:48] <annadane> idk what you mean by 'formal'
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• 2897[23:45:10] <pasiz> Dark_hunter: i don't have any problem, i have not asked opera support from #debian
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• 2899[23:45:17] <Dark_hunter> annadane: i mean "just talk debian" stuff
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• 2901[23:45:45] <spacebug^> because this is a Debian support channel
• 2902[23:45:46] <Dark_hunter> pasiz: it is the problem of debian to hide my beloved icon
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• 2904[23:45:59] <Dark_hunter> here another bug
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• 2907[23:47:48] <pasiz> Dark_hunter: replaced-url
• 2908[23:47:53] <pasiz> here you have the icon
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• 2913[23:49:30] <annadane> what you can also do depending on what desktop you're using is just "add to panel"
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• 2915[23:50:04] <annadane> like, on MATE i download firefox's tarball into a directory, mate has an 'add to panel', i add the path to it where it resides, and just download a random icon from the internet
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• 2918[23:50:19] <annadane> or add it to the desktop, whateber
• 2919[23:50:23] <annadane> ever*
• 2920[23:50:33] <annadane> (though desktop icons are for chumps)
• 2921[23:50:57] <pasiz> i use i3 on my debian, how can i add stuff to my desktop?
• 2922[23:51:16] <annadane> you actually can, but not 'natively'
• 2923[23:51:31] <annadane> there may be a package for it but it's external to i3, i don't remember how it's done
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• 2925[23:51:36] <annadane> r/unixporn probably has an idea
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• 2928[23:52:20] <pasiz> annadane: yes, i have used i3. Just for example than there is no good answer how to do it on debian
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• 2930[23:52:42] <annadane> desktop icons are so slow, they don't work into my workflow
• 2931[23:52:44] <annadane> to each their own
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• 2934[23:53:06] <Dark_hunter> workflow? like are you a developer?
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• 2937[23:53:42] <annadane> no lol.
• 2938[23:53:55] <annadane> i just mean, i don't use desktop icons in working with my computer
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• 2940[23:54:11] <annadane> btw Dark_hunter if you're new to debian (this doesn't apply to parrot) you may want to read some of this
• 2941[23:54:12] <annadane> !newcomer
• 2942[23:54:13] <dpkg> Welcome to Debian! Here's some resources to help you on your merry way: The Debian Handbook: replaced-url
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• 2945[23:54:44] <Dark_hunter> great thanks annadane
• 2946[23:54:58] <annadane> yes i know the handbook still says debian 8
• 2947[23:55:01] <annadane> most of it still applies
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• 2951[23:56:43] <Dark_hunter> so, if i leave this chat now, how can i message you again.
• 2952[23:56:51] <Dark_hunter> you know to ask question
• 2953[23:56:58] <Dark_hunter> or queries
• 2954[23:57:02] <annadane> uh... rejoin the channel later?
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• 2956[23:57:18] <Dark_hunter> are you here everyday?
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• 2959[23:57:45] <annadane> i mean you can ask other people aside from me
• 2960[23:57:50] <annadane> there's people a lot smarter than i am
• 2961[23:58:17] <Dark_hunter> but you are kind and patient
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• 2964[23:58:44] <pasiz> but formal ;)
• 2965[23:59:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1512
• 2966[23:59:06] <Dark_hunter> pasiz: didn't thought you were still here
• 2967[23:59:23] <pasiz> i think you are new to irc too
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