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7 [00:03:07] <will__> hey guys just tried apt get php it wasnt
found
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9 [00:03:20] <will__> do i need to get it from another source?
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11 [00:04:07] <will__> sorry i meant apt install
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13 [00:06:19] <prompt32> ^ cat /etc/apt/sources.list
14 [00:06:21] <jmcnaught> will__: try "apt search php"
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16 [00:06:57] <prompt32> ^apt install php5
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18 [00:07:07] <jmcnaught> the package isn't called php,
there are several package. you can pipe that command to less to read
it in a pager "apt search php | less" and then
'q' to quit
19 [00:07:19] <jmcnaught> prompt32: on stretch it's php 7
20 [00:07:39] <prompt32> ^ ok, yes
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22 [00:08:06] <prompt32> will__, what debian version ?
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25 [00:08:23] <will__> 8
26 [00:08:28] <will__> i think thats jessie?
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29 [00:09:16] <will__> got a looooong list of stuff with
"php"
30 [00:09:21] <prompt32> ^ so , apt install php5
31 [00:09:23] <will__> nto sure what to get from here haha
32 [00:09:25] <jmcnaught> will__: if you're starting a new
project it makes more sense to use debian 9 "stretch" that
just got released last month, longer time before you need to upgrade
again
33 [00:09:29] <will__> alrighty
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35 [00:09:41] <jmcnaught> will__: "apt show
packagename" to read the longer descriptions
36 [00:10:17] <will__> alright jmcnaught is there acommand for
system upgrade?
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47 [00:13:02] <jmcnaught> will__: there are upgrade instructions
in the release notes:
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50 [00:13:56] <dury> hi there channel :-)
51 [00:14:01] <jmcnaught> will__: i also still recommend
absorbing some more basics from the "/msg dpkg
fundamentals" factoid earlier
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53 [00:14:37] <dury> still not success about xscreensaver
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55 [00:15:04] <dury> did read
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58 [00:16:03] <dury> xscreensaver not working properly in
stretch or what?
59 [00:16:18] <will__> jmcnaught: just found this:
60 [00:16:19] <will__> MariaDB replaces MySQL database in Debian
9 Stretch. This introduces a new database binary data file format
which is not backwards compatible with your current ( Debian 8
Jessie ) database format. During the upgrade your databases will be
upgraded automatically. However, when you run into some issues
during or after the upgrade, you will not be able revert back! From
this reason it is important to backup all your current
61 [00:16:20] <will__> databases before you proceed with a
Debian 9 Stretch upgrade!
62 [00:16:44] <will__> stretch was the default choice in google
cloud platform
63 [00:17:11] <will__> idk if my choice of distro affects any of
their backend workings
64 [00:17:58] <dury> did anyone have success with xscreensaver
on stretch?
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66 [00:19:19] <missmbob> no. light-locker
67 [00:20:13] <prompt32> will__, try to make a clean install to
debian 9, then you, see, i dont think debian drop mySQL, so you can
install it alone !
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69 [00:21:29] <dury> missmbob, did you get success?
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72 [00:21:57] <missmbob> with light-locker, sure. just worked
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76 [00:22:40] <dury> missmbob, how is it that, would you drive
me please?
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78 [00:23:17] <missmbob> apt install light-locker
79 [00:23:30] <dury> missmbob, then?
80 [00:23:50] <missmbob> nothing
81 [00:24:03] <missmbob> you can remove xscreensaver
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83 [00:25:23] <dury> missmbob, the point is to make xscreensaver
to work it out, you know what I mean?
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85 [00:28:20] <dury> missmbob, yes?
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90 [00:30:43] <dury> missmbob, are you there?
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99 [00:38:41] <dury> missmbob, light-locker is installed... so
what's next
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102 [00:39:45] <dury> just a little help, please, missmbob
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122 [00:51:25] <padonak> i have shit my pants, can you please
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130 [00:56:07] <padonak> asshole
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166 [01:11:55] <jmcnaught> will__: if stretch is the default,
then maybe it's easier to create a new VM or reinstall it than
to upgrade?
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170 [01:13:51] <prompt32> I have a question, cause the new
version of Xorg in debian9, have drop support for multiseat
machines. Can i build a multiseat X configuration using 'udev
rules'/loginctl, instead of using device isolation inside Xorg
conf files ?
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181 [01:16:24] <jesso> Is there a work around to use trim without
slowing down drive performance ?
182 [01:19:15] <jmcnaught> jesso: instead of configuring trim in
fstab, you can have it run in a weekly cron job. The util-linux
package also has an example fstrim.timer in its docs/example
directory. Also look at
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183 [01:19:32] <jesso> do you use cron?
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185 [01:19:41] <jesso> weakly
186 [01:20:00] <jmcnaught> my cron is strong
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193 [01:22:31] <jmcnaught> jesso: i use this script in
/etc/cron.weekly/fstrim:
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194 [01:23:12] <jesso> can you just it to root ?
195 [01:23:15] <jesso> set
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199 [01:23:41] <jmcnaught> jesso: i don't know what you mean
by that
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203 [01:24:10] <jesso> in your bash script you have the trim set
to your home folder
204 [01:25:08] <jmcnaught> jesso: because /home is a separate
filesystem on that computer, so is /boot
205 [01:25:16] <jesso> okay
206 [01:25:44] <jmcnaught> jesso: fstrim(8) also has
'--all'
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208 [01:26:14] <jesso> when using the --all can you tell it to
ignore hard drives
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210 [01:26:39] <jmcnaught> jesso: you could also just "cp
/usr/share/doc/util-linux/examples/fstrim.* /etc/systemd/system ;
systemctl enable fstrim.timer"
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212 [01:27:41] <jesso> I guess I'll just use systemd service
instead of cron
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216 [01:29:51] <jmcnaught> it's fine either way
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231 [01:37:47] <Bitchin_Camaro> I just started getting this
warning doing an 'apt update' on a fresh laptop Stretch
install. Anyone else familiar with this ?
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233 [01:38:53] <Bitchin_Camaro> google doesn't have much on
this, nor on the BTS
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235 [01:39:22] <jmcnaught> Bitchin_Camaro:
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237 [01:39:48] <Bitchin_Camaro> Thanks jmcnaught
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240 [01:40:15] <jmcnaught> how did the permissions in /etc/apt
get changed in the first place? were you locking stuff down?
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243 [01:40:34] <Bitchin_Camaro> jmcnaught: neative, i did nothing
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245 [01:40:43] <Bitchin_Camaro> negative
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248 [01:41:24] <jmcnaught> weird
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250 [01:42:19] <Bitchin_Camaro> jmcnaught: it's been working
fine for weeks until today
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256 [01:42:54] <jesso> you can get the hashes in /etc/shadow
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262 [01:44:31] <Bitchin_Camaro> jesso: yes, _apt is the last
entry in /etc/shadow
263 [01:45:02] <Bitchin_Camaro> my jessie->stretch upgrade
doesn't do this
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265 [01:45:29] <jesso> Do you use a complex password
266 [01:46:07] <Bitchin_Camaro> jesso: no
267 [01:46:19] <jesso> you can get kali and crack the root
password
268 [01:46:33] <Bitchin_Camaro> this is from /etc/passwd
_apt:x:120:65534::/nonexistent:/bin/false
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270 [01:46:59] <jmcnaught> jesso: what are you talking about?
271 [01:47:00] <Bitchin_Camaro> its not a simple password
272 [01:47:02] <sypher> jesso: That's going to take a long
time even for simple passwords due to how they're encrypted.
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274 [01:47:33] <jesso> gpus can crack pretty fast if it's
under 12 characters
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278 [01:48:29] <sypher> jesso: That's quite the inaccurate
statement.
279 [01:48:33] <PipeItToDevNull> Passwords *should* be stored
hashed, so no matter how long or short a password is, it is stored
as a very long string.
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283 [01:50:49] <sypher> PipeItToDevNull: And?
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285 [01:52:31] <binary1985> i crack passwords for a living, it
all depends on the end users selection, strong encrpytion algos
stand up when used with strong password creation standards, but so
many people do Word### which is very likely to be cracked with
GPU's usings a english dictionary and standard rule set
286 [01:52:38] <sypher> jesso: You're drastically
overestimating the level of performance that even a GPU can generate
when dealing with crypt() hashes.
287 [01:52:45] <OS-11916> /msg NickServ IDENTIFY fu
288 [01:52:59] <OS-11916> tttttttttttttttttttttt
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294 [01:54:57] <binary1985> sed '/s/encryption/hashed/'
295 [01:54:57] <dondelelcaro> most modern attacks on machines
don't come through cracking, anyway; they happen through
vulnerabilities, either software, hardware, or wetware.
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297 [01:55:16] <dondelelcaro> s/cracking/password &/
298 [01:55:49] <binary1985> in the industry i work in, almost
every time we breach a network its due to mitm a hash and crack,
classic responder.py.
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301 [01:56:40] <Bitchin_Camaro> jmcnaught: i can upgrade, install
et cetera just fine, i'm sure this is a known bug
302 [01:56:48] <dondelelcaro> if you can successfully mitm, you
don't even need to break hashes
303 [01:56:50] <binary1985> linux on the other hand is
tougher(unless kerberos) but it still stands to reason if you use a
Word and number for your PW you cant depend on technology
304 [01:58:08] <smilax> I'm having trouble with YouTube
videos in Firefox in Stretch stuttering and freezing, especially at
higher resolutions. Intel graphics, VLC can play HD video just fine.
Strangest thing is it works fine in Mint on the same machine. Does
anyone have an idea what settings or configurations I should be
changing or looking at?
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307 [01:58:28] <binary1985> dondelelcaro: sounds like a comment a
person with junior understanding might say, yeah mitm is great,
intercept web traffic...ohhh so great, but when you are trying to
privilege escalate a windows enterprise domain pure mitm on a single
client gives you a microscopic look at what you really are searching
for.
308 [01:58:33] <sypher> There is so much bad information flying
around this channel right now.
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313 [02:00:31] <aZz7eCh> hey #debian. Any obvious reason/solution
to this quirk? I have debian lite installed on a box i run as our
fileserver. its been going for about 2.5 years now ... beautifully.
314 [02:00:48] <aZz7eCh> this passed month however ... i keep
finding my network xfer speeds reduced to 100mb/s instead of 1000
...
315 [02:00:59] <aZz7eCh> if i reboot the machine, i instantly get
my 1000mb network speed back
316 [02:01:03] <sypher> aZz7eCh: What is "debian lite"?
317 [02:01:15] <aZz7eCh> sorry sypher ... base jessie ... no gui
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321 [02:02:11] <dondelelcaro> aZz7eCh: has the NIC renegotiated?
mii-tool eth0; might be helpful
322 [02:02:33] <aZz7eCh> after it slows ?
323 [02:02:37] <dondelelcaro> aZz7eCh: yep
324 [02:03:28] <aZz7eCh> well, its slow right now. so running
that command nets me .. : eth0: negotiated 100baseTx-FD, link ok
325 [02:03:29] <dondelelcaro> aZz7eCh: it's possible that
corrosion or something else is causing it to renegotiate and fall
back to 100bT. Hard to say, though
326 [02:03:42] <sypher> Yup, it negotiated downward.
327 [02:03:43] <dondelelcaro> aZz7eCh: yeah, there you go
328 [02:03:47] <aZz7eCh> shit
329 [02:04:01] <aZz7eCh> why the hell
330 [02:04:01] <dondelelcaro> aZz7eCh: try just plugging and
unplugging it temporarily; that might be enough
331 [02:04:11] <aZz7eCh> oops scuse the french.
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334 [02:04:43] <sypher> aZz7eCh: Cable fault is usually why I see
that happening.
335 [02:04:44] <dondelelcaro> (moving the contacts in and out is
sometimes enough to clean them up)
336 [02:04:55] <aZz7eCh> hmm okay. so i should start by looking
at the new ebay cables i bought (flat fancy ones) ...
337 [02:05:00] <aZz7eCh> thats the only recent change this year
338 [02:05:21] <aZz7eCh> alright thanks gives me something to
monitor/work with .
339 [02:05:30] <aZz7eCh> appreciate the help always :)
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342 [02:05:40] <dondelelcaro> aZz7eCh: ah; if it's new
cables, I'd suspect them. No problem. Good luck!
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345 [02:06:01] <aZz7eCh> strange that simply rebooting fixes it
for a day or two
346 [02:06:29] <dondelelcaro> aZz7eCh: it negotiates at bootup,
and since there's no traffic, it doesn't renegotiate until
there's a failure
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349 [02:06:49] <aZz7eCh> thats the thing tho - i get gigabit for
days out of it
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352 [02:06:52] <aZz7eCh> till suddenly it does it again
353 [02:07:00] <aZz7eCh> but okay all good.. i start by swapping
them back out
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355 [02:07:02] <dondelelcaro> aZz7eCh: yeah; the joys of hardware
356 [02:07:03] <aZz7eCh> soon see
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360 [02:09:55] <aZz7eCh> eth0: negotiated 1000baseT-FD
flow-control, link ok
361 [02:10:04] <aZz7eCh> no reboot, simply plug/unplug like
suggested.
362 [02:10:14] <aZz7eCh> and i threw out my original patch cables
:( lol
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383 [02:23:03] <negatratoron> Hey, I'm following the
instructions here
replaced-url
384 [02:23:06] <negatratoron>
replaced-url
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397 [02:34:42] <negatratoron> Is it possible to install kernel
headers in Testing?
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408 [02:49:09] <nvz> no, people in testing never y'know test
stuff, so they saw no need for it
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410 [02:49:44] <jmcnaught> negatratoron: "/msg dpkg
bat" for troubleshooting info to provide. Also if this is
testing, you should ask in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
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416 [02:53:15] <negatratoron> it says "Cannot join
#debian-next (Channel is invite only)"
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433 [02:57:58] <jmcnaught> negatratoron: you are on freenode,
#debian-next is on irc.oftc.net
434 [02:58:15] <negatratoron> ohhhh lol
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447 [03:00:22] <smilax> I'm having trouble with YouTube
videos in Firefox in Stretch stuttering and freezing, especially at
higher resolutions. Intel graphics, VLC can play HD video just fine.
Strangest thing is it works fine in Mint on the same machine. Does
anyone have an idea what settings or configurations I should be
changing or looking at?
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449 [03:01:41] <lonewolf999> @all, I'm having a screen
tearing issue with fresh debian install in a laptop with dual
graphics. I have installed all the required drivers but the issue
persist. Any suggestions
450 [03:02:06] <nvz> lonewolf999: wake up, or freddie is going to
get you
451 [03:02:13] <lonewolf999> @all, I'm using opensource
drivers FYI
452 [03:02:28] <lonewolf999> nvz: Can you please help :-(
453 [03:03:04] <nvz> lonewolf999: you don't have to say
@all, and you need to be more specific about what device and drivers
you are using and what you mean by screen tearing
454 [03:03:47] <nvz> smilax: you're using hdmi yes?
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456 [03:04:15] <jmcnaught> smilax: have you checked your logs for
missing firmware messages?
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459 [03:05:22] <lonewolf999> nvc: I'm not using hdmi. These
the graphics card that are in my system. sudo lspci -v | grep VGA
00:01.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
[AMD/ATI] Trinity [Radeon HD 7660G] (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc.
[AMD/ATI] Thames [Radeon HD 7500M/7600M Series] (rev ff) (prog-if
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462 [03:06:19] <lonewolf999> nvc: By screen tearing I mean there
are vertical line appearing on my mouse pointer
463 [03:06:30] <smilax> nvz: y
464 [03:06:57] <nvz> smilax: z
465 [03:08:50] <smilax> jmcnaught: New to systemd. Mind giving me
commands to run?
466 [03:09:18] <nvz> lonewolf999: alright well two gfx cards is
enough to qualify you for needing to be even more specific.. heh..
wander on over to paste.debian.net and upload /var/log/Xorg.0.log
and /var/log/dmesg
467 [03:09:49] <jmcnaught> smilax: "dmesg | grep -i
firmware"
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475 [03:12:14] <smilax> jmcnaught: dmesg isn't working.
Thought it was a systemd thing. "dmesg: read kernel buffer
failed: Operation not permitted"
476 [03:12:28] <jmcnaught> smilax: you must be root to view dmesg
now
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478 [03:13:09] <jmcnaught> smilax: FYI all of the logs from
pre-systemd are still present on Debian. By default journald on
Debian only keeps logs in memory, then forwards to syslog for
writing to disk
479 [03:13:20] <lonewolf999> nvz: dmesg :
replaced-url
480 [03:14:09] <smilax> Brb
481 [03:14:30] <lonewolf999> nvz: xorg logs
replaced-url
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485 [03:16:59] <smilax_> jmcnaught: Sorry, was on a tablet.
Typing was annoying as anything, and pasting from computer was going
to be even more annoying. Seemed like a good idea at the time... One
sec, I'll paste.
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488 [03:18:12] <smilax_> jmcnaught:
replaced-url
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499 [03:20:46] <nvz> lonewolf999: I'm having major
connection issues, so I only got to look at the first one, now its
not loading
500 [03:21:09] <nvz> !test
501 [03:21:09] <dpkg> Test failed.
502 [03:21:12] <nvz> figures
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505 [03:21:48] <lonewolf999> nvz: do you want to me to paste the
logs file again ?
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507 [03:22:22] <smilax> nvz: To answer your earlier question more
letterly, yes, I'm using HDMI for the video output. Sorry,
tablet typing was annoying and the y was actually an accident,
though I thought you'd probably figure out it was a yes.
Anyway, any suggestions relevant to the HDMI output?
508 [03:22:25] <nvz> lonewolf999: no its on my end, I can stay on
irc because it doesn't require lookup
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510 [03:23:08] <nvz> smilax: no, not really, I just was
experiencing similar issues here with FF and YT on hdmi, some videos
just hiss loudly for example
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513 [03:23:45] <nvz> smilax: doesn't seem to do it using
other players like mps-youtube with audio only or mplayer on fb
console
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515 [03:24:33] <smilax> nvz: I had that in Jessie, though I think
that was all video, not just YT, and a driver issue.
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517 [03:25:19] <nvz> smilax: yeah well I'm on an orange pi,
and the video support is terrible, I was thinking you may be having
some similar issues, but unlike me you can go try newer kernels and
drivers and such
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519 [03:25:35] <nvz> if I upgrade I go from some video support to
none
520 [03:26:03] <smilax> nvz: Would you mind confirming for me
that jmcnaught was the person I was talking to before I BRB'd?
I closed that chat when I switched to this one.
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522 [03:26:57] <smilax> nvz: Sorry, probably a different problem.
523 [03:27:54] <Bitchin_Camaro> jmcnaught: i found that moving
/etc/apt/trusted.gpg allows apt to read the gpg files in its sub
directory, no more warnings
524 [03:28:28] <Bitchin_Camaro> jmcnaught: i think i'll live
with the warning and let debian fix the bug
525 [03:29:37] <jmcnaught> smilax: none of those are related to
your GPU, so it's something else
526 [03:30:02] <jmcnaught> Bitchin_Camaro: where did you move it?
why not just fix the permissions?
527 [03:30:11] <smilax> jmcnaught: Ok, thanks. Any other
suggestions?
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529 [03:30:27] <smilax> jmcnaught: Thanks for the info about the
new log system, too, btw.
530 [03:30:49] <Bitchin_Camaro> jmcnaught: i changed from 600 to
644 and got more warning, maybe it should be chowned
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532 [03:31:22] <Bitchin_Camaro> jmcnaught: my other stretch
doesnt have the problem and has identical permissions
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535 [03:32:46] <jmcnaught> Bitchin_Camaro:
replaced-url
536 [03:33:05] <Bitchin_Camaro> jmcnaught: it seems to be
relateed to clean installs and using synaptic, which i opened but
didnt alter anything
537 [03:33:22] <nvz> what do i need to do in stretch to change my
dns server?
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539 [03:33:37] <jmcnaught> nvz: how is your network configured?
540 [03:34:26] <nvz> jmcnaught: wicd using wireless, to a
hotspot, dhcp
541 [03:35:11] <jmcnaught> nvz: you probably want wicd setting
DNS. You can also look at the resolvconf package to customize
how/what updates /etc/resolv.conf
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543 [03:35:17] <Bitchin_Camaro> jmcnaught: those are mine also in
/etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/ also. trusted.gpg is in /etc/apt/trusted.gpg
544 [03:35:19] <nvz> jmcnaught: I seem to have stopped wicd from
hopping to other APs called "xfinitywifi" but now I seem
to be having dns issues, because I'm obviously still online but
can't load any web pages, it says host not found
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548 [03:35:51] <nvz> jmcnaught: right, I'll look in
wicd-curses
549 [03:36:23] <Bitchin_Camaro> jmcnaught: trusted.gpg is
preventing apt from reading /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/
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552 [03:36:51] <jmcnaught> Bitchin_Camaro: what is the exact
error? also what does "id _apt" show?
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554 [03:37:46] <Bitchin_Camaro> jmcnaught: command not found
555 [03:38:41] <jmcnaught> Bitchin_Camaro: "id" was not
found?
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557 [03:39:50] <Bitchin_Camaro> jmcnaught:
replaced-url
558 [03:40:17] <jmcnaught> Bitchin_Camaro: "id _apt"
shows root?
559 [03:40:17] <Bitchin_Camaro> id_apt not found, never heard of
it
560 [03:40:29] <Bitchin_Camaro> jmcnaught: no, just
'id'
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562 [03:40:51] <jmcnaught> Bitchin_Camaro:
id<space><underscore>apt
563 [03:41:07] <Bitchin_Camaro> oh sec jmcnaught
564 [03:41:56] <Bitchin_Camaro> jmcnaught: id _apt shows,
uid=120(_apt) gid=65534(nogroup) groups=65534(nogroup)
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567 [03:43:20] <jmcnaught> Bitchin_Camaro: what does "stat
/etc/apt/trusted.gpg" say?
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569 [03:43:39] <Bitchin_Camaro> jmcnaught: 600 perms root.root
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571 [03:44:34] <jmcnaught> Bitchin_Camaro: "chmod 644
/etc/apt/trusted.gpg"
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573 [03:44:57] <Bitchin_Camaro> jmcnaught: i tried that and got
many more warnings
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575 [03:45:19] <nvz> alright, who sicked the net nanny on me?
heh, even with google dns I still can't get to python.org, but
I can get to nfl.com, google.com, chat.freenode.net
576 [03:45:41] <jmcnaught> Bitchin_Camaro: show me the corrected
permissions with ls or stat, and the output of the command once that
is done
577 [03:46:03] <Bitchin_Camaro> jmcnaught: i'm sure a fix
will be issued i can just move that file elsewhere nd no warning but
not sur if thats safe
578 [03:46:56] <Bitchin_Camaro> jmcnaught:
replaced-url
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580 [03:47:14] <Bitchin_Camaro> i'm probably beeing you to
death ;p
581 [03:47:21] <Bitchin_Camaro> beeping
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583 [03:47:58] <jmcnaught> Bitchin_Camaro: the permission is
still 600, set it to 644, run "apt update" and let me see
_that_ error
584 [03:48:15] <Bitchin_Camaro> jmcnaught: ok, sec
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590 [03:51:03] <Bitchin_Camaro> jmcnaught:
replaced-url
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594 [03:52:59] <Bitchin_Camaro> jmcnaught:
replaced-url
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597 [03:53:22] <Bitchin_Camaro> 644 makes it worse
598 [03:53:27] <jmcnaught> Bitchin_Camaro: "apt-cache policy
debian-archive-keyring"
599 [03:53:52] <Bitchin_Camaro> jmcnaught: its installed but
i'll recheck
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601 [03:54:10] <jmcnaught> Bitchin_Camaro: it means that you have
multiple problems. It's not clear where your
/etc/apt/trusted.gpg file came from, on a fresh stretch system all
of the keyrings get put in /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/
602 [03:55:13] <jmcnaught> it's possible that some of the
things you've tried to fix this have caused other issues
603 [03:55:24] <Bitchin_Camaro> jmcnaught: they are there!
apt-cache policy
replaced-url
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611 [03:56:58] <Bitchin_Camaro> jmcnaught: with 600 perms.,
replaced-url
612 [03:57:25] <Bitchin_Camaro> jmcnaught: f i delete trusted.gpg
it all works fine
613 [03:57:32] <Bitchin_Camaro> if*
614 [03:57:45] <jmcnaught> Bitchin_Camaro: i would be worried
about where trusted.gpg came from in the first place
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616 [03:58:22] <Bitchin_Camaro> jmcnaught: i saw a debian post
that claimed synaptic corrupts it
617 [03:58:45] <jmcnaught> Bitchin_Camaro: what does "gpg
--no-default-keyring --keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg
--list-keys" show?
618 [03:59:00] <Bitchin_Camaro> jmcnaught: i wonder if i could
use the copy off the other box?
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620 [03:59:04] <jmcnaught> synaptic doesn't even start for
me, but i don't care enough to look into it
621 [03:59:36] <jmcnaught> Bitchin_Camaro: none of my stretch
systems have the file
622 [03:59:46] <Bitchin_Camaro> jmcnaught: read that too i dont
use synaptic but i did open it, one sec
623 [04:01:11] <Bitchin_Camaro> jmcnaught: that cmd shows nothing
624 [04:01:42] <jmcnaught> Bitchin_Camaro: what is in that file
then?
625 [04:01:45] <Bitchin_Camaro> jmcnaught: error code 0 after the
cmd
626 [04:02:17] <Bitchin_Camaro> its binary, a dozen or so chars
627 [04:03:04] <Bitchin_Camaro> jmcnaught: well if you dont have
that file, i can live without it
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629 [04:03:23] <Bitchin_Camaro> jmcnaught: all goes well when i
move it
630 [04:03:24] <jmcnaught>
replaced-url
631 [04:03:25] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
632 [04:03:40] * Bitchin_Camaro nods
633 [04:03:45] <jmcnaught> Bitchin_Camaro: it sounds like
synaptic adds an empty keyring with the wrong permissions
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635 [04:04:21] * jmcnaught removes synaptic
636 [04:04:23] <Bitchin_Camaro> jmcnaught: so i'll just
delete the thing yeah
637 [04:04:51] <Bitchin_Camaro> i hate synaptic, i just wanted to
see if it changed much
638 [04:04:58] <Bitchin_Camaro> im a CLI guy
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640 [04:05:24] <Bitchin_Camaro> jmcnaught: so im cool without
trusted.gpg then
641 [04:05:44] <Bitchin_Camaro> jmcnaught: thanks as usual for
your help
642 [04:06:05] * Bitchin_Camaro <- LTL
643 [04:06:39] <jmcnaught> Bitchin_Camaro: you're welcome.
sounds okay. i would probably doublecheck the output of
"apt-cache policy" to make sure all the repos are there,
but if "apt update" completes without error it should be
fine
644 [04:06:45] <jmcnaught> oh hey LtL
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647 [04:07:38] <Bitchin_Camaro> jmcnaught: yeah hey, all goes
fine now, shouldnt be a problem now thanks man
648 [04:07:50] <jmcnaught> cheers
649 [04:08:05] <Bitchin_Camaro> yeah no errors, damn synaptic
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654 [04:10:21] <LtL> jmcnaught: nice job finding that bug report,
i couldn't :)
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741 [05:32:40] <hanshenrik> how come `apt install nginx` use
4,289 kB , and `apt install nginx-full` use 4,195 kB ? nginx-full is
slimmer than nginx -
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745 [05:35:35] <nvz> is there a program that compares hashes and
can delete duplicate files or would I have to script something?
746 [05:35:58] <nvz> my father has accumulated a crapload of
pictures taken with his cell phone and likely has duplicates all
over his hdd
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748 [05:36:16] <hanshenrik> nvz, yes there is, there's a lot
of them floating around at sourceforge
749 [05:36:22] <koollman> nvz: fdupes
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751 [05:37:45] <hanshenrik> weirdly, the only difference between
`nginx-full` and `nginx`, is that nginx-full doesn't install...
`nginx`
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755 [05:39:42] <nvz> koollman: ok, I see duff, fdupes, and jdupes
in the apt cache on my system, a gui would be more his speed but its
better than nothing
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757 [05:43:09] <will__> hanshenrik: lol thats funny
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760 [05:43:47] <hanshenrik> idd
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763 [05:45:11] <nvz> komparator sounds like it might do the trick
if it doesnt work solely on two different dirs and can scan
764 [05:45:35] <nvz> I can't really test it here, its a bit
too beefy a program for my orangepi lite
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792 [06:05:05] <corbob> I'm trying to install PowerShell on
Debian 9, and I'm running into an issue where the package
requires libssl1.0.0 and libicu55, but it seems Debian 9 includes
libssl1.0.2 and libicu57. Is there a way that I can tell apt to
install powershell even with the broken dependencies?
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809 [06:12:22] <hanasaki> two debian 9 installs. firefox in one
plays netflix fine. in the other it says unexpected error. any
thoughts on debug and fix ?
810 [06:14:05] <rx_> netflix uses flash?
811 [06:14:13] <rx_> use chromium
812 [06:14:14] <hanasaki> nope. DRM
813 [06:14:26] <hanasaki> netflix now uses the google drm module
in FF
814 [06:14:34] <rx_> oh
815 [06:15:08] <hanasaki> rx_: FF beta works fine :) point is to
find debug what is diff between the two systems that are both
runnign FF ESR from the standard debian 9 repo
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817 [06:16:19] <hawken> I totally got my firefox from sid
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819 [06:16:48] <hanasaki> hawken: what ver is in sid these days?
820 [06:17:09] <hawken> uh.. let me check
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822 [06:18:06] <hawken> 54.0-2
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826 [06:23:03] <hanasaki> hawken: thanks
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828 [06:23:42] <hawken> yw :)
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830 [06:24:09] <hanasaki> hawken: any thoughts on debugging it?
point is it works on one system and not on the other
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832 [06:25:01] <jmcnaught> hanasaki: you have "play drm
content" checked in about:preferences#content ?
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834 [06:25:29] <hanasaki> jmcnaught: where can I check that to
confirm please
835 [06:25:55] <jmcnaught> hanasaki: preferences, content tab
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838 [06:30:12] <hanasaki> yes. its enabled. also tried with a
completely new ff profile
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845 [06:39:01] <will__> just tried: sudo .certbot-auto --apache
846 [06:39:12] <will__> got: sudo: .certbot-auto: command not
found
847 [06:39:31] <will__> isnt that how one usually runs a program?
848 [06:40:09] <jmcnaught> will__: programs don't normally
begin with a period in their filename. how did you install certbot?
it's just called certbot if you install the Debian packages
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852 [06:40:39] <jmcnaught> hanasaki: run it in a terminal and
look for error messages on stderr
853 [06:41:12] <hanasaki> done. nothing I find useful.
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855 [06:42:03] <hiya> I cannot correct the spelling in the
Hexchat of Debian 9 until I do this like 10 times or long press on
the correct spelling when I right click, I see that it happens only
in the hexchat
856 [06:42:38] <will__> jmcnaught: i was just following
instructions from letencrypt.org
857 [06:42:45] <will__> letsencrypt*
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860 [06:43:16] <will__> and from what i remember in mint,
launching programs in the terminal required a . at the beginning
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863 [06:44:28] <kritter> I installed qubes and it seems to have
also gotten my windows drive. How can I check from this drive and
see what it ruined?
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865 [06:46:01] <rx_> fdisk -l
866 [06:46:04] <jmcnaught> will__: how did you install certbot?
which instructions?
867 [06:46:30] <kritter> rx_, i can see the disk, but I cannot
actually get down into /dev/sda1
868 [06:46:38] <will__> jmcnaught: didnt instal yet. used wget to
download and then chmod-ed it to give permission to execute.
869 [06:46:45] <jmcnaught> will__: you can include '.'
meaning current directory as part of the path when running a
program, like "./foo" if foo is a program in your current
directory
870 [06:46:56] <will__>
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871 [06:47:18] <will__> instructions required me to run it as
root with apache flag
872 [06:47:33] <jmcnaught> will__: follow the instructions for
testing instead, they just haven't been updated to reflect that
stretch is the new stable:
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873 [06:47:40] <will__> ahhhh that makes sense
874 [06:48:30] <jmcnaught> will__: especially because you're
new to this, you should _always_ try to exclusively use software
provided by Debian in the repos. Take a look at
replaced-url
875 [06:48:54] <will__> ouch
876 [06:49:06] <jmcnaught> that's not to say that you cannot
install other software, but a. if it's already in Debian,
that's easier and b. you're less likely to run into
problems using Debian packaged software
877 [06:49:28] <will__> i didnt know if something else existed
for t he same thing
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879 [06:49:44] <will__> i found this from searching on google.
880 [06:50:09] <jmcnaught> will__: make a habit of searching apt
for software first "apt search foo"
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882 [06:51:08] <will__> oh found it in there. dulu noted
jmcnaught . thank you
883 [06:51:12] <will__> duly*
884 [06:52:31] <jmcnaught> will__: working through the Debian
Administrator's Handbook and Debian Reference will make things
a lot easier for you. You don't have to do it all at once, but
if you're serious about learning this stuff do a little bit at
a time:
replaced-url
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886 [06:53:49] <jmcnaught> will__: keep in mind that there's
a lot of bad advice out there on the web. your best bet is to trust
Debian docs first, including man pages and files in /usr/share/doc
(on directory per package), and the resources on debian.org like
above and the wiki
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889 [06:55:36] <will__> gotcha! thanks again
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919 [07:27:48] <__H|I|T|L|E|R__> Greetings, ladies and gentlemen
(and jews)
920 [07:28:02] <__H|I|T|L|E|R__> I am here to claim this kingdom,
in the name of Germany!
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923 [07:28:56] <jmcnaught> !ops __H|I|T|L|E|R__
924 [07:28:56] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH,
mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel,
zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: jmcnaught
complains about: __H|I|T|L|E|R__
925 [07:28:59] <l1Ll1Ll1L> man, nationalism is really taking a
turn for the worse around here
926 [07:29:32] <__H|I|T|L|E|R__> !ops l1Ll1Ll1L faggot hates
germany
927 [07:29:32] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH,
mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel,
zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: __h|i|t|l|e|r__
complains about: l1Ll1Ll1L faggot hates germany
928 [07:29:45] <l1Ll1Ll1L> lol oh lawd.
929 [07:29:45] <__H|I|T|L|E|R__> !ops dpkg is flooding the
channel
930 [07:29:45] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH,
mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel,
zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: __h|i|t|l|e|r__
complains about: dpkg is flooding the channel
931 [07:30:04] <__H|I|T|L|E|R__> !ops dpkg is still flooding the
channel
932 [07:30:04] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH,
mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel,
zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: __h|i|t|l|e|r__
complains about: dpkg is still flooding the channel
933 [07:30:20] <__H|I|T|L|E|R__> !ops when will dpkg stop
flooding the channel?
934 [07:30:20] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH,
mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel,
zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: __h|i|t|l|e|r__
complains about: when will dpkg stop flooding the channel
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937 [07:30:36] <__H|I|T|L|E|R__> !ops dpkg is mass highlighting
938 [07:30:36] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH,
mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel,
zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: __h|i|t|l|e|r__
complains about: dpkg is mass highlighting
939 [07:30:45] <nkuttler> __H|I|T|L|E|R__: can you pleeeeeahze
stop?
940 [07:31:02] <nkuttler> __H|I|T|L|E|R__: we are so peaceful in
here
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944 [07:31:31] <__H|I|T|L|E|R__> nkuttler: Will the Jews stop
trying to sniff my butt?
945 [07:31:36] <__H|I|T|L|E|R__> thats all I want
946 [07:31:37] <nkuttler> __H|I|T|L|E|R__: you can pm me if you
need help with something
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948 [07:32:00] <nkuttler> __H|I|T|L|E|R__: everybody deserves to
be loved, you too
949 [07:32:07] <l1Ll1Ll1L> did...did I just witness the beginning
of a very strange relationship?
950 [07:32:21] * l1Ll1Ll1L doesn't judge
951 [07:32:27] <foul_owl> Hi folks. I downloaded
debian-live-9.0.1-amd64-cinnamon.iso originally, but it doesn't
have the firmware for my wifi card. So I downloaded
debian-live-9.0.1-amd64-mate+nonfree.iso but it's not detected
as a boot option. Same usb stick for both. I'm guessing the
nonfree iso doesn't have the flag or whatever is needed to
allow boot from usb, not just cd. However, the official image has
that flag. How do I add
952 [07:32:28] <foul_owl> that flag to the nonfree iso so I can
install debian on my system? Thanks!
953 [07:32:30] <__H|I|T|L|E|R__> but I am a troll
954 [07:32:36] <__H|I|T|L|E|R__> its my job to get banned
955 [07:32:40] <__H|I|T|L|E|R__> !ops foul
956 [07:32:40] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH,
mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel,
zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: __h|i|t|l|e|r__
complains about: foul
957 [07:32:47] * l1Ll1Ll1L bans __H|I|T|L|E|R__
958 [07:32:50] <nkuttler> l1Ll1Ll1L: i was told my way of dealing
with trolls was stupid. just trying a new approach
959 [07:32:50] <__H|I|T|L|E|R__> !ops foul_owl spamming useless
stuff
960 [07:32:50] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH,
mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel,
zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: __h|i|t|l|e|r__
complains about: foul_owl spamming useless stuff
961 [07:33:06] <__H|I|T|L|E|R__> !ops nkuttler is trying to deal
with trolls
962 [07:33:06] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH,
mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel,
zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: __h|i|t|l|e|r__
complains about: nkuttler is trying to deal with trolls
963 [07:33:23] <Tonkadoro> !ops
964 [07:33:23] <dpkg> Please invoke 'dpkg: ops
$problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific
problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be
contacted in the #debian-ops channel.
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966 [07:33:25] <nkuttler> __H|I|T|L|E|R__: i know life can be
tough with a mental illness, but you can troll me in pm
967 [07:33:35] <jmcnaught> foul_owl: could you try with the
firmware netinst linked from this part of the install manual:
replaced-url
968 [07:33:36] <__H|I|T|L|E|R__> I have zero mental illness
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970 [07:33:58] <foul_owl> Er, I'm not trying to do an
install, I'm trying to demo the live cd to someone who is new
to debian
971 [07:34:00] <__H|I|T|L|E|R__> I have a mental condition (not
severe enough to be considered an "illness"), minor
A.D.H.D
972 [07:34:13] <__H|I|T|L|E|R__> But i'm not like insane or
anything
973 [07:34:23] <__H|I|T|L|E|R__> in fact I'm legally
eligible to buy guns
974 [07:34:24] <l1Ll1Ll1L> foul_owl have you tried using gparted?
Let's you manage flags pretty easily
975 [07:34:27] <jmcnaught> foul_owl: oh i see. what is the error
you get when you try to boot?
976 [07:34:33] <foul_owl> I might do the install if they like the
ui, etc
977 [07:34:41] <__H|I|T|L|E|R__> thats what i should do today
978 [07:34:58] <foul_owl> I copied the iso to the usb drive using
sudo cp iso /dev/sd<insert letter>
979 [07:34:59] <__H|I|T|L|E|R__> walk into a gun shop and say
"hail Hitler! i'm here to buy all the guns!
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981 [07:35:06] <foul_owl> Same for both images
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983 [07:35:30] <foul_owl> Not getting an error, the usb drive
isn't showing up in the bios
984 [07:35:38] <__H|I|T|L|E|R__> !ops lao_ye is a nigger faggot
985 [07:35:39] <foul_owl> For the second iso only, first one
boots fine
986 [07:35:39] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH,
mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel,
zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: __h|i|t|l|e|r__
complains about: lao_ye is a nigger faggot
987 [07:35:46] <__H|I|T|L|E|R__> !ops foul
988 [07:35:46] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH,
mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel,
zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: __h|i|t|l|e|r__
complains about: foul
989 [07:35:46] <lao_ye> :o
990 [07:35:54] <__H|I|T|L|E|R__> !ops foul_owl is useless
991 [07:35:54] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH,
mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel,
zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: __h|i|t|l|e|r__
complains about: foul_owl is useless
992 [07:35:59] <jmcnaught> foul_owl: oh, and you definitely
didn't copy the image to a partition on the USB, instead of the
device itself?
993 [07:36:09] <__H|I|T|L|E|R__> !ops allah akbar! hail hitler!
white power!
994 [07:36:09] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH,
mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel,
zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: __h|i|t|l|e|r__
complains about: allah akbar! hail hitler! white power!
995 [07:36:11] <l1Ll1Ll1L> foul_owl copy the iso with dd
996 [07:36:14] <__H|I|T|L|E|R__> !ops we hate everyone
997 [07:36:14] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH,
mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel,
zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: __h|i|t|l|e|r__
complains about: we hate everyone
998 [07:36:18] <foul_owl> /dev/sdi in my case
999 [07:36:22] <foul_owl> not /dev/sdi1 for example
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1001 [07:36:39] <foul_owl> I have been told dd is deprecated for
copying isos, to use cp only from now on
1002 [07:36:45] <Tonkadoro> Why is this hitler fool allowed to run
wild in here?
1003 [07:36:55] <l1Ll1Ll1L> really? That's very interesting
1004 [07:36:56] <foul_owl> esp as block size can be an issue with
dd
1005 [07:36:57] <__H|I|T|L|E|R__> Tonkadoro: the ops are sleeping
1006 [07:37:04] <__H|I|T|L|E|R__> !ops are you awake?
1007 [07:37:04] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH,
mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel,
zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: __h|i|t|l|e|r__
complains about: are you awake
1008 [07:37:08] <nkuttler> Tonkadoro: /help ignore
1009 [07:37:12] <l1Ll1Ll1L> true foul_owl, I always look up the
blocksuze per distro
1010 [07:37:17] <l1Ll1Ll1L> *blocksize
1011 [07:37:18] <jmcnaught> foul_owl: if the regular live image
works, you could make a second partition on it that contains the
firmware .deb files that you need, and install them after booting
1012 [07:37:29] <user> "apt-get install php7.0" is
installing apache2 too but i dont need apache2
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1014 [07:37:41] <user> is it a dependency?
1015 [07:37:41] -__H|I|T|L|E|R__- HAIL HITLER!
1016 [07:37:42] <nkuttler> user: so install the -cli package
1017 [07:37:51] <jmcnaught> using cp is the same as using dd, but
cp has less typing, and automatically optimizes the block size
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1019 [07:38:30] <foul_owl> I'm not sure exactly what debs are
needed. I also have multiple systems I'll need to do installs
on, all with different firmware reuqirements :/
1020 [07:38:31] <Tonkadoro> jmcnaught, tell us more cp vs.dd
please
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1023 [07:39:44] <jmcnaught> user: look at "apt show
php7.0" to see the dependencies. It has
"libapache2-mod-php7.0 | php7.0-fpm | php7.0-cgi,
php7.0-common" which means it tries the apache module first,
but any of the other ones in the OR list will work as well
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1029 [07:40:30] <jmcnaught> foul_owl: for installs, use the
firmware netinst image. For getting wifi on this one machine, boot
the image that works, then run "dmesg | grep -i firmware"
to see the filename of the missing firmware
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1031 [07:41:09] <foul_owl> Ah awesome
1032 [07:41:12] <jmcnaught> Tonkadoro: not much to say, except
that the Debian install manual has always said to use cp, it never
mentioned dd. dd seems to be stuck in people's minds as the
tool for copying to/from block devices
1033 [07:41:33] <foul_owl> Thank you!
1034 [07:41:39] <jmcnaught> foul_owl: you can search for filenames
on
replaced-url
1035 [07:42:32] <foul_owl> Awesome :)
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1090 [08:34:59] <xormor> cuck-a-doodle-doo
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1096 [08:44:30] <duban> is there an alternative to mkfs when
creating file systems
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1098 [08:45:20] <jmcnaught> duban: what do you want the
alternative to do differently?
1099 [08:45:20] <nkuttler> duban: why are you asking?
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1162 [09:41:25] <xcm> hello #debian. i have a debian 9 xen host
with a debian domU created via `xen-create-image --lvm=...`. I mount
the created lv on the dom0 and copy some files over, but not all the
files are shown from a domU console. i've tried umount/mount
and sync to no avail. why could this be happening?
1163 [09:43:10] <xcm> additionally there was some delay in new
files in the domU appearing in the dom0 mount, but that seemed to
resolve itself within a few seconds
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1176 [09:51:12] <Nazara> in my .profile I have a "source
someotherscript"
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1179 [09:51:44] <Nazara> this is not read by bash because .bashrc
exists, but the variables set in the script don't exist in my
gnome sessions
1180 [09:51:56] <Nazara> how can I determine if the file is even
being loaded
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1185 [09:56:54] <somiaj> Nazara: man bash, depending on how bash
is launched, .profile will be used or .bashrc will be used.
1186 [09:57:15] <somiaj> Nazara: you can source one from the
other, also other shells do honor .profile
1187 [09:57:48] <Nazara> somiaj: my problem is that .bashrc gets
read by bash on launch, but .profile is supposed to be read by the
shell (gnome in this case)
1188 [09:57:53] <Nazara> correct?
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1190 [09:58:57] <Nazara> I'm setting my PATH in my custom
script and need gnome to know these paths
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1193 [09:59:36] <xcm> oh okay, the HDD is toast
1194 [10:01:57] <somiaj> Nazara: check out the Inovacation part of
man bash. Bash can either be a login shell or an interactive shell.
This affects what files bash sources at start.
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1196 [10:02:52] <somiaj> Nazara: when gnome launches a terminal,
the termainls are interactive shells (not login shells) so they
don't source .profile
1197 [10:03:00] <Nazara> yes I am aware
1198 [10:03:16] <Nazara> gnome-shell itself does not have the
updated PATH from my custom script
1199 [10:03:22] <Nazara> which is sourced by .profile
1200 [10:03:34] <somiaj> Nazara: oh you are talking about the
gnome session lauchned by gdm?
1201 [10:03:36] <Nazara> yes
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1203 [10:03:52] <Nazara> I'm pretty sure I have the bash side
figured out
1204 [10:04:04] <somiaj> Nazara: I am not quite positive on the
details of what shell it uses when starting the session.
1205 [10:04:10] <Nazara> for some reason the PATH works if set
directly in .profile but not in a subscript
1206 [10:04:11] <Nazara> hmm
1207 [10:04:27] <somiaj> what do you mean by subscript, I think I
missed that part.
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1210 [10:05:12] <somiaj> Oh I think this may have to do something
with variable localization. source may not preserve variables back
to the original script (so you can change things for the subscript)
1211 [10:05:12] <Nazara> cat .profile
1212 [10:05:17] <Nazara> source /home/nroach44/apps/bin/nr44-env
1213 [10:05:33] <Nazara> that line works fine in .bashrc
1214 [10:05:38] <somiaj> you may have to export PATH inside the
source script
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1217 [10:06:19] <somiaj> I think you just need to export the
variable so it isn't local tot he script you sourced.
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1219 [10:07:04] <Nazara> I do, that's the thing
1220 [10:07:19] <Nazara> it works fine in a bash login shell OR a
normal .bashrc shell
1221 [10:07:27] <Nazara> actually let me test that first part
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1223 [10:08:37] <Nazara> Yes, with the line commented out in
.bashrc and it only in .profile it works fine in a TTY login
1224 [10:09:02] <hoxu> is there any command to view package
versions in different debian releases?
1225 [10:09:29] <Nazara> hoxu: if you have the lists in
/etc/apt/sources.list use apt-cache policy PKG
1226 [10:09:40] <Nazara> it's probably easier to look it up
on the debian site though
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1230 [10:09:48] <somiaj> Nazara:
replaced-url
1231 [10:10:05] <somiaj> hoxu: packages.debian.org
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1233 [10:10:17] <Nazara> yeah I'm not expecting it to read
.bashrc just want to know why .profile aint working
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1235 [10:10:43] <Nazara> > Graphical logins do not read a
shell's startup files (/etc/profile and ~/.profile
1236 [10:10:44] <Nazara> ugh
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1238 [10:10:55] <hoxu> somiaj, yes, that but on command line :)
1239 [10:10:56] <Nazara> that would have been nice to know years
ago
1240 [10:11:08] <Nazara> hoxu: see what I said
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1242 [10:11:21] <Nazara> the only way for your computer to know is
to have all of the lists downloaded
1243 [10:11:28] <Nazara> but that is prohibitively complex
1244 [10:11:35] <hoxu> Nazara, I'm hoping someone has written
a script to parse packages.debian.org or use some other api
1245 [10:11:44] <Nazara> that's not a bad idea
1246 [10:11:45] <somiaj> hoxu: why are you wanting to view the
different versions avaialbe for different releases. You can set up
ways to do this, but you don't want to have different releases
in your sources.list
1247 [10:11:51] <Nazara> but the need isn't really there tbh
1248 [10:12:09] <Nazara> I don't know of what you are asking
1249 [10:12:34] <somiaj> well there are ways to do it, maybe look
into how judd stores a database of different releases. Wonder if
apt-file could do that, but I don't know a tool that does that.
1250 [10:12:35] <hoxu> mostly because I keep opening
packages.debian.org to see... versions of debian packages in
different branches
1251 [10:13:15] <somiaj> hoxu: any reason, in debain you really
just need to know what version is avaialble to be installed. Though
apt-cache policy is nice say if you are looking for a backports
version
1252 [10:13:28] <somiaj> but there are ways to get the database
locally, I'm just unusre how difficutl it is
1253 [10:13:34] <Nazara> one thing you can do (if you are only
looking at two debian releases) is have both sets of lists but have
the newer release pinned at a lower priority
1254 [10:13:43] <Nazara> that's less complex than having all
of them
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1256 [10:14:34] <hoxu> I'm not actually entirely sure why I
keep opening packages.debian.org. Probably often to check how
outdated stable version is
1257 [10:15:01] <hoxu> but I guess I could write a simple script
to parse it with xml2
1258 [10:15:05] <hoxu> *html2
1259 [10:15:20] <somiaj> hoxu: if you are on irc in #debian, /msg
judd v packagename
1260 [10:15:23] <somiaj> ,v fvwm
1261 [10:15:24] <judd> Package: fvwm on amd64 -- wheezy:
1:2.5.30.ds-1.1; wheezy-backports: 1:2.6.5.ds-3~bpo70+1; jessie:
1:2.6.5.ds-3; buster: 1:2.6.7-3; stretch: 1:2.6.7-3; sid: 1:2.6.7-3
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1263 [10:15:53] <hoxu> I guess that's the easiest I'll
get without scripting :)
1264 [10:16:11] <somiaj> judd's source is avaiable, you could
see what the bot uses for its database.
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1266 [10:17:45] <jmcnaught> hoxu: try the rmadison script in
devscripts package
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1269 [10:20:01] <hoxu> jmcnaught, perfect. Thanks! I like
apt-cache madison already :p
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1284 [10:31:41] <CQ> is there a perl 5.26 in backports?
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1287 [10:33:12] <jmcnaught> ,v perl
1288 [10:33:13] <judd> Package: perl on amd64 -- wheezy:
5.14.2-21+deb7u3; wheezy-security: 5.14.2-21+deb7u5; jessie:
5.20.2-3+deb8u6; jessie-proposed-updates: 5.20.2-3+deb8u7;
jessie-security: 5.20.2-3+deb8u7; stretch: 5.24.1-3; buster:
5.24.1-4; sid: 5.24.1-6; experimental: 5.26.0-2
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1291 [10:33:19] <CQ> ... or only in unstable for now?
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1294 [10:33:46] <jmcnaught> CQ: what's in perl 5.26 that you
need?
1295 [10:33:59] <CQ> I have a bug that I suspect may be a memory
overwriting bug in perl and wanted to test against that
1296 [10:34:27] <CQ>
replaced-url
1297 [10:34:43] <jmcnaught> CQ: your best bet is to try in a
chroot or a container if you want to use a newer perl
1298 [10:35:01] <CQ> else I'll wait until #perl is busier
tomorrow and ask there
1299 [10:35:28] <CQ> problem is I can't narrow the bug down
to one cause, and I can't get around it either in my code
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1303 [10:37:27] <cdb23> hello guys, a question my debian guest
does not use a serial console
1304 [10:38:13] <cdb23> i uncommented
GRUB_TERMINAL="serial" and
GRUB_SERIAL_COMMAND="serial --speed=9600 --unit=0 --word=8
--parity=no --stop=1" from the /etc/default/grub then updated
grub with update-grub
1305 [10:38:21] <jmcnaught> CQ: if you have systemd-container and
debootstrap installled, you can "cd /var/lib/machines ;
debootstrap sid ./perl526
replaced-url
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1307 [10:38:37] <cdb23> if i connect to my guest i see the grub
boot menu after debian is loaded i cannot da anything
1308 [10:38:57] <cdb23> graphical interface working but console
not
1309 [10:39:44] <jmcnaught> CQ: and you can put whatever files you
want in /var/lib/machines/perl526 it's just a directory
containing a simple debian root. Really easy to go from there to a
container you can start and stop with machinectl
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1316 [10:46:27] <jmcnaught> cdb23: in my guests in
/etc/default/grub i have 'GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="console=tty0
console=ttyS0"' Also take a look at
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1317 [10:47:03] <DrBunsen> Hello, I just did a clean install of
Debian, but I do not have a need for that gnome software centre, I
thinking it was the package "software-center", but it is
not called that. Does anyone know the package name?
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1320 [10:49:02] <jmcnaught> DrBunsen: you are probably better off
leaving gnome-software installed because removing it will also
remove the gnome metapackages, which keep all the standard GNOME
utilities installed including new ones during a release upgrade
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1322 [10:49:37] <DrBunsen> jmcnaught: that doesn't sound
sensible, so you say I will have no gnome after deleting it?
1323 [10:49:48] <Nazara> somiaj: if you were curious: I needed to
put my subscript in .xsessionrc, AND use '. file' not
source AND switch my guard clause from [[ ]] to [ ] (because SH
seems to be used, not bash)
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1326 [10:50:55] <jmcnaught> DrBunsen: try "apt-get -s remove
gnome-software" as a regular user (-s is for simulate) and
notice that it also removes the gnome, gnome-core,
task-gnome-desktop packages.
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1330 [10:53:14] <DrBunsen> jmcnaught: you are right, that is not
what I expected it to do. Ahh well, as long as it doesn't do
anything I am content with it ;) Thanks
1331 [10:53:46] <jmcnaught> DrBunsen: I find it useful for
upgrading flatpak applications i have installed
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1336 [10:59:47] <DrBunsen> jmcnaught: I prefer to see what gets
installed or deleted with packages ;)
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1345 [11:07:37] <Nazara> hmmm, gdm does parse .profile....
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1350 [11:12:04] <Nazara> okay what the hell
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1354 [11:12:59] <Nazara> I had to reboot because gdm3 was caching
the environment variables set by a script in .profile
1355 [11:13:23] <Nazara> so it was caching ones that were set
incorrectly, so my guard variable was set, but not my path
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1379 [11:34:29] <guardian> I'm transitioning from squeeze to
jessie (yeah I know...) -- What's the proper way to create
/var/run/php5-fpm (where I put 1 socket per user) at boot? I tried
to add RuntimeDirectory=php5-fpm in the service file without success
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1383 [11:37:59] <klys> guardian, what package is that a part of?
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1385 [11:39:17] <guardian> php5-fpm
1386 [11:39:28] <guardian> which doesn't by default create a
php5-fpm in /run
1387 [11:39:49] <guardian> but I found my way out, had to
systemctl daemon-reload
1388 [11:39:59] <guardian> I'm so unfamiliar with systemd :/
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1391 [11:44:19] <sistematico> Hello all
1392 [11:44:26] <sistematico> Is it mandatory and/or recommended
for a Debian Developer to use Debian as the primary OS?
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1397 [11:48:16] <themill> guardian: did you upgrade to wheezy in
between?
1398 [11:49:02] <guardian> yep
1399 [11:49:31] <guardian> typo, it's a box that began its
life as squeeze, then got upgraded to wheezy. And now I'm doing
wheezy --> jessie --> stretch
1400 [11:50:07] <metax> sistematico, nope
1401 [11:50:40] <guardian> comparing a jessie box with similar
packages installed to the current box that went squeeze -->
wheezy --> jessie ; there are so many different files I'm
wondering whether I should start fresh
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1404 [11:51:56] <sistematico> metax, thank you
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1426 [12:02:04] <themill> sistematico: it's hard to test
things if you don't use them though
1427 [12:02:38] <metax> he can use in a VM
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1429 [12:02:52] <themill> guardian: jessie→stretch is quite a
process for your php things. It would possibly be easier to ignore
getting php working for the intermediate releases and deal with them
at the end
1430 [12:03:21] <metax> if developing is not related to hardware
drivers or something
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1432 [12:05:39] <knstn> Hey, how i can search for a distro/kernel
version that uses Upstart and another with SysV strictly?
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1435 [12:07:19] <bazhang> distrowatch.com knstn
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1438 [12:09:27] <metax> yeah systemd sucks
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1446 [12:11:39] <knstn> ehm, i'm actually study for sysadmin
so i need knowledge of all three
1447 [12:11:59] <bazhang> knstn, so thats the place to go
1448 [12:12:19] <bazhang> distrowatch.com
1449 [12:13:52] <knstn> i found it, thanks
1450 [12:13:59] <bazhang> np
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1479 [12:30:18] <knstn> hmm, slackware for sysv (lxc container)
and for upstart i need previous kernel versions like centos 6
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1487 [12:39:07] <guardian> themill: yeah I barely scratched the
surface. It seems going from php 5 to 7 is going to be all uphill
and some users' scripts (for which I'm not responsible are
going to break)
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1489 [12:40:22] <BluesKaj> Hi all
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1497 [12:52:12] <knstn> debian wheezy was on sysV?
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1502 [12:57:56] <teraflops> knstn:
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1510 [13:01:30] <wodim> hello, when I turn on my computer, it gets
stuck trying to get a dhcp lease from my ethernet interface, but the
cable isn't even connected. how do I avoid that?
1511 [13:01:49] <wodim> I use networkmanager
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1516 [13:05:10] <knstn> systemctl stop networkmanager.service
& systemctl disable networkmanager.service (run start &
enable if you ever connect the cable again)
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1518 [13:05:36] <wodim> no, I want to use networkmanager. I use it
for my wireless connection
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1520 [13:05:46] <wodim> I just don't want it to try and get a
dhcp lease from my ethernet port
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1522 [13:05:52] <wodim> at least not when there isn't even a
cable connected to it...
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1524 [13:06:16] <wodim> oh, wait. I just noticed something.
it's not networkmanager doing that
1525 [13:06:20] <knstn> disable the port?
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1528 [13:06:28] <wodim> so maybe it's in
/etc/network/interfaces
1529 [13:06:32] <wodim> I'll check that out.
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1534 [13:08:42] <wodim> yes... it's defined there, as dhcp. I
still don't understand why does it try to get a lease if the
cable isn't connected
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1538 [13:09:05] <wodim> guess I'll just remove the interface
from there, because I'd like to be able to use the ethernet
port from networkmanager
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1581 [13:40:51] <guardian> when preparing jessie --> stretch,
aptitude search '~i(!~ODebian)' lists libmariadbclient18.
However, purging it wants to uninstall exim4, logwatch, php5-mysql
and others. The problem is that I don't understand how they
relate to each other
1582 [13:41:31] <guardian> (I used to get mariadb 5.5 from their
repository on wheezy, and I'm transitioning to mariadb 10.0
from jessie)
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1587 [13:43:56] <nkuttler> guardian: is your goal to upgrade
without interrupting operations?
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1590 [13:44:39] <nkuttler> ,v libmariadbclient18
1591 [13:44:40] <judd> Package: libmariadbclient18 on amd64 --
stretch: 10.1.23-9+deb9u1; sid: 10.1.24-6; buster: 10.1.24-6
1592 [13:44:48] <guardian> well I'm following the wheezy
--> jessie --> stretch upgrade steps on a replica before
trying in production
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1594 [13:45:05] <guardian> I quite don't undertsand how I got
libmariadbclient18 since it doesn't exist in jessie
1595 [13:45:13] <nkuttler> guardian: you might be able to install
the stretch package first
1596 [13:45:18] <nkuttler> guardian: from "their repo"?
1597 [13:45:27] <nkuttler> guardian: apt-cache policy
libmariadbclient18
1598 [13:45:30] <guardian> yep but form their repo, I used mariadb
5.5
1599 [13:45:50] <guardian> then I removed their source, before
going through the wheezy --> jessie upgrade, then dist-upgrade
1600 [13:46:22] <vagvaf> hello people, i just installed debian 9.
I am trying to access the root account with "su -" and
when I insert my password i get an authentication failure. I have
reinstalled debian 3 times to check that ii've put the right
passwd. Am I accessing root wrongly ?
1601 [13:46:22] <guardian> hmm indeed last installed on wheezy is
+libmariadbclient18 5.5.56+maria-1~wheezy
1602 [13:46:41] <nkuttler> guardian: wait so that box is still on
wheezy?
1603 [13:46:51] <guardian> no it's on jessie already
1604 [13:46:53] <hanshenrik> i have installed a very minimal
version of lxde, > apt install --no-install-recommends lxde-core
lxde-common; apt install lxdm xserver-xorg-video-dummy; apt remove
--purge lightdm; apt install firefox-esr;
1605 [13:47:05] <guardian> nkuttler: +libmariadbclient18
5.5.56+maria-1~wheezy is when I look at etckeeper git log on the
production box which is untouched
1606 [13:47:08] <hanshenrik> now firefox doesn't know what
application to open folders in (as in "view this file in the
download folder"
1607 [13:47:09] <nkuttler> guardian: yeah, i'd try to just
install libmariadbclient18 from stretch first then
1608 [13:47:23] <hanshenrik> i thought it was pcmanfm, but turns
out, if you give pcmanfm a directory argument, it does... nothing
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1610 [13:47:29] <at0m> vagvaf: do you type the root pass? sudo ask
you to enter the user pw, su asks the root paw
1611 [13:47:34] <at0m> password
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1613 [13:47:38] <hanshenrik> however, if you dont give it any
arguments, it starts a folder view in the current working dir
1614 [13:47:50] <hanshenrik> anyone know what the correct program
is?
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1616 [13:48:13] <guardian> nkuttler: do you happen to know why
libmariadbclient18 doesn't exist in jessie, while
mariadb-server-10.0 exists in jessie
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1618 [13:48:38] <at0m> vagvaf: another common failure is wrong
keyb setup, either during installation when setting up root pass, or
after installation
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1623 [13:49:51] <vagvaf> at0m, thanks. i will make sure everything
is set up correctly.
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1625 [13:50:07] <nkuttler> guardian: might have been included in
another package
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1628 [13:50:30] <guardian> nkuttler: ok I'll leave it alone
and start the upgrade
1629 [13:50:42] <at0m> vagvaf: and you can change the root pw
without reinstalling. boot from installer medium, chroot to your
installed disk, and passwd there
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1631 [13:51:08] <vagvaf> at0m thanks
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1651 [14:04:51] <Eryn_1983_FL> hi peeps
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1653 [14:04:57] <Eryn_1983_FL> so i got some questions on chromium
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1655 [14:05:05] <Eryn_1983_FL> how bad does it spy on me in
debian?
1656 [14:05:11] <Eryn_1983_FL> is it as bad a chrome?
1657 [14:05:34] <Eryn_1983_FL> firefox is pissing me off so much i
am considering moving to chromium, i am tired of the stutter and
slowness
1658 [14:05:47] <darkenergy> As far as I know, it calls home
google frequently.
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1660 [14:05:55] <Eryn_1983_FL> can I block it?
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1665 [14:07:53] <darkenergy> I've tested it. I disabled all
settings that use Google services. Even then, it calls home. You can
probably block it using hosts file but it can be hard.
1666 [14:08:37] <Eryn_1983_FL> mmm
1667 [14:08:42] <Eryn_1983_FL> is firefox anybetter?
1668 [14:08:56] <Eryn_1983_FL> if i could get it to stop
stuttering on youtube.. and lagging
1669 [14:09:42] <hexhaxtron> Hi! I just installed Debian and on
the very first boot I get: error: file
'/boot/grub/i386-pc/normal.mod' not fonud
1670 [14:09:45] <hexhaxtron> not found
1671 [14:09:53] <hexhaxtron> What should I do?
1672 [14:09:54] <tomreyn> in terms of privacy, it can be, but
they're also moving away from privacy slowly, embedding
remotely hosted 'snippets' on their start page by default,
sending crash reports by default, encouraging to send
'telemetry' data
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1674 [14:10:06] <tomreyn> Eryn_1983_FL: ^
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1676 [14:10:12] <darkenergy> I use firefox now. It is laggy but
because of privacy I use it.
1677 [14:10:16] <nkuttler> hexhaxtron: that doesn't sound
right. does the machine still boot?
1678 [14:10:17] <Mathisen> Eryn_1983_FL, take a look @
replaced-url
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1683 [14:10:41] <hexhaxtron> nkuttler: it doesn't boot... I
get a 'grub rescue>' prompt.
1684 [14:10:59] <tomreyn> Eryn_1983_FL: most of the time it gets
laggy is because you installed extensions which slow it down. try
creating a new profile or just restart with extensions disabled once
to check the difference.
1685 [14:11:07] <nkuttler> hexhaxtron: sounds like you'll
have to boot from your install media and put the file there
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1689 [14:11:20] <hexhaxtron> nkuttler: can you help me doing that?
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1691 [14:11:31] <nkuttler> hexhaxtron: check the install manual
for rescue mode
1692 [14:11:42] <Eryn_1983_FL> ok
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1695 [14:12:17] <nkuttler> hexhaxtron: as for the files, not sure.
maybe try running grub-install
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1697 [14:12:55] <afidegnum> how do i send test mail from my ssh?
using exim4? i can login to my account but can't send mail
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1699 [14:13:15] <nkuttler> afidegnum: well, have you configured
exim to send out emails?
1700 [14:13:28] <afidegnum> yes
1701 [14:13:37] <nkuttler> afidegnum: check the logs
1702 [14:14:14] <afidegnum> i tried a test mail and it send to my
externail mail account using account@address.dns.net
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1704 [14:14:31] <Eryn_1983_FL> its the extensions
1705 [14:14:32] <Eryn_1983_FL> wtf
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1707 [14:15:53] <tomreyn> Eryn_1983_FL: now you need to find out
which of the extensions causes the problems. often the web developer
console will log errors about misbehaving extensions. also, there
are about: pages you can access to view some hints on what consumes
resources.
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1710 [14:17:46] <tomreyn> some extensions use outdated ways of
talking to firefox, those can be inefficient and slow FF down. also,
if you have not much RAM, extensions which store a lot of data in
memory (such as those storing whitelists and blacklists) can pose
problems.
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1725 [14:22:21] <afidegnum> 2017-07-09 14:17:07 1dUB99-0005P3-Hz
<= root@static.29.58.243.136.clients.your-server.de U=root
P=local S=379
1726 [14:22:30] <afidegnum> 2017-07-09 14:17:07 1dUB99-0005P3-Hz
=> info <info@newgracefoundgh.org> R=vdomain T=vmail
1727 [14:22:34] <afidegnum> 2017-07-09 14:17:07 1dUB99-0005P3-Hz
Completed
1728 [14:22:40] <afidegnum> nkuttler: that's the log
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1730 [14:25:08] <nkuttler> afidegnum: that looks like it's
sent out
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1732 [14:26:15] <jelly> transport vmail sounds like something
local
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1734 [14:26:46] <jelly> afidegnum, is this very system configured
to accept mail for newgracefoundgh.org domain
1735 [14:26:55] * jelly clueless about exim
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1737 [14:26:57] <hexhaxtron> nkuttler: I'm in the Rescue
Mode. I just need to do grub-install /dev/sda ?
1738 [14:27:40] <SuperTramp83> Firefox on a 10 yrs old laptop
here, smooth as butter, the only addons installed are noscript,
ublock origin and httpseverywhere. Seamonkey is smoother though. You
might want to check that one, Eryn_1983_FL
1739 [14:27:41] <afidegnum> yes
1740 [14:27:43] <afidegnum> jelly: yes
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1747 [14:30:53] <nkuttler> hexhaxtron: and check if that puts the
files there.
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1764 [14:48:04] <wr> debian jessie, wanna make a wlan0 wireless
bridge to ethernet, was looking for some guidance on this
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1769 [14:50:25] <at0m> wr: look for hostapd
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1771 [14:50:45] <at0m> its homepage has a guide
1772 [14:51:06] <wr> at0m, have seen info on that, but miss more
steps
1773 [14:52:07] <wr> at0m, will i be able to do this too on GUI?
1774 [14:52:37] <at0m> my 2 cents: root has no business on a
desktop whatsoever.
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1776 [14:53:45] <rapha> Hi!
1777 [14:54:03] <rapha> Are there any Debian .iso files that will
work for 32-bit UEFI on an otherwise 64-bit machine?
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1779 [14:54:49] <rapha> (I've tried with
debian-9.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso which only has an
efi/boot/bootx64.efi file and is not recognized by the tablet's
UEFI.
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1784 [14:58:12] <wr> at0m, to do this will have to disable the
network-manager, hostapd wont use because of the bridge, right?
1785 [14:58:54] <Robby> rapha: Have you searched the interwebz? A
quick search led me to this page:
replaced-url
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1787 [14:59:43] <Robby> so debian-9.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso should
do just fine, provided you follow the instructions at the link I
gave you
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1789 [14:59:46] <rapha> Robby: yes, I came here after that page
was not helpful.
1790 [15:00:24] <rapha> Robby: basically, it says there that it
should work. But then the .iso would have to have a bootia32.efi
file next to the bootx64.efi file. Which it doesn't. So
I'm wondering if that page is out of date...
1791 [15:00:45] <at0m> wr: i have no idea about network manager, i
don't use it
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1794 [15:01:58] <Robby> rapha: I don't know, I'm not
sure on the way Debian implemented it, but maybe you can just try to
install it regardless
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1798 [15:02:16] <wr> at0m, i have seen this link
replaced-url
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1800 [15:02:34] <Robby> but wait, that page does specifically say
"multi-arch installation media"
1801 [15:02:47] <Robby> the amd64 iso isn't multi-arch
1802 [15:03:14] <rapha> Robby: I know, and that makes sense. But I
can't for the life of me find a multi-arch-netboot image :-(
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1805 [15:03:26] <Robby> let me see if i can
1806 [15:03:28] <rapha> (replaced-url
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1808 [15:03:48] <Robby>
replaced-url
1809 [15:03:50] <Robby> there ya go
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1811 [15:04:05] <Robby> that should be the correct one
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1816 [15:04:38] <rapha> Oh wow!
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1819 [15:04:42] <rapha> Thanks Robby :)
1820 [15:04:44] * rapha downloads
1821 [15:04:50] <Robby> np :)
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1827 [15:09:14] <joe_123> hi everyone does anybody had problem
runnin tor browser on debian ? I downloaded it from the offical
website and when i try to run in throught the terminal it just
quits. htop shows that there are some tor browser processes runnin
but nothing seems to show up. I waited a couple minutes.
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1831 [15:11:06] <Robby> rapha:
replaced-url
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1835 [15:11:38] <Robby> under the "netinst CD image
(generally 150-280 MB)" there is indeed no link for multi-arch
1836 [15:11:59] <Robby> but right under it, under "full CD
sets", there is one
1837 [15:12:03] <hicks__> joe_123: try launching it by double
clicking the "Tor Browser" launcher in the root of the
extracted folder.
1838 [15:12:03] <Robby> "multi-arch"
1839 [15:12:33] <hicks__> if that works, look at what launch
options it uses and you should be able to run that from the
terminal.
1840 [15:12:36] <Robby> clicking that will bring you to the
multi-arch netinst iso I linked
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1844 [15:14:10] <joe_123> hicks__, i tried it as well nothing
happens and when i try to launch it again it says that there is
already one running. Htop shows that there is but as i said i waited
like 5 minutes and nothing
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1847 [15:15:43] <hicks__> Have you tried it after killing
everything tor related (or restarting)? it could be a failed
terminal launch left some things running that it now bails out
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1853 [15:17:03] <joe_123> hicks__, well i killed all the processes
but i did not try restarting the machine perhaps that will help
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1855 [15:17:17] <hicks__> worth a try incase there's a
process missed.
1856 [15:17:31] <senorpepe> # TOR BROWSER
1857 [15:17:31] <senorpepe> curl "replaced-url
1858 [15:17:31] <senorpepe> #gpg --keyserver
pool.sks-keyservers.net --recv-keys 0x4E2C6E8793298290
1859 [15:17:31] <senorpepe> gpg --fingerprint 0x4E2C6E8793298290
1860 [15:17:31] <senorpepe> wget
replaced-url
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1862 [15:17:53] <joe_123> yeah it could be i will try it in a
moment anyway thanks for the help :)
1863 [15:18:18] <afidegnum> hello, i just apply new firewall
settings and COMIT at the end, how do i let the new rules take
effect immediately?
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1868 [15:21:01] <joe_123> afidegnum, iptables-restore <
firewall
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1873 [15:21:49] <afidegnum> joe_123: restore?
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1875 [15:23:03] <joe_123> afidegnum, you typed the setting in
terminal or in a text file ? if in a text file you need to load them
with iptables-restore from file so iptables can apply them. If you
used the terminal its already applied
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1877 [15:23:36] <afidegnum> ok
1878 [15:24:36] <joe_123> afidegnum, you can check if it worked
with iptables -L
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1880 [15:24:55] <rapha> Robby: and it booted! :-)
1881 [15:25:06] <joe_123> remember the rules will reset when you
turn off your machine
1882 [15:25:18] <rapha> Robby: I kept digging some more and found
the holy grail: netboot-multi-arch-with-firmware.
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1884 [15:25:47] <afidegnum> joe_123: it works
1885 [15:26:15] <joe_123> afidegnum, im glad to hear that :)
1886 [15:26:16] <afidegnum> i generated a tls servificate on my
exim4 but i m facing this error A TLS fatal alert has been
received.: CA is unknown
1887 [15:26:24] <afidegnum> how do i fix it please?
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1918 [15:47:32] <Robby> rapha: cool, glad it works now :)
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1924 [15:48:54] <HyP3r> Why is npm not aviable for debian strech?
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1932 [15:51:14] <nkuttler> HyP3r: nobody maintained it
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1934 [15:52:01] <HyP3r> nkuttler: wat?
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1941 [15:55:48] <rapha> Robby: unfortunately I've hit the
next roadblock. Debian doesn't come with WiFi drivers for an
rtl8723bs and there's *only* netinst images for multi-arch
apparently.
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1943 [15:56:14] <nkuttler> rapha: drivers, or firmware?
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1945 [15:56:17] <rapha> Robby: (the full CD multi-arch link links
to a netinsta image)
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1948 [15:56:34] <rapha> nkuttler: drivers. They need to be
compiled manually from 200~replaced-url
1949 [15:56:46] <Robby> rapha: did you try this one?
replaced-url
1950 [15:56:53] <nkuttler> oh well. get a cable :)
1951 [15:57:47] <rapha> nkuttler: not so easy plugging an RJ45
plug into a micro-USB port.
1952 [15:58:13] <rapha> (I don't own a USB network card plus
it's Sunday)
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1955 [15:59:47] <nkuttler> rapha: i guess you'll have to
build your own installer?
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1957 [16:00:07] <rapha> nkuttler: Why, if there's a
non-netinsta ISO?
1958 [16:00:10] <nkuttler> rapha: try asking in #debian-boot on
oftc, perhaps you can just compile the module somewhere else and
load it during install
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1960 [16:00:28] <rapha> Oh. Didn't know about that.
1961 [16:00:30] <nkuttler> rapha: or that
1962 [16:00:31] <Robby> rapha: is
firmware-9.0.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso the one you tried?
1963 [16:00:47] <rapha> Robby: yes, that's the one I tried.
1964 [16:01:03] <rapha> Robby: there's no binary versions of
that driver for any distro as far as I can tell.
1965 [16:01:06] <nkuttler> if the module is not in mainline kernel
it won't be in the installer
1966 [16:01:21] <rapha> nkuttler: ##debian-boot is empty except
for ChanBot.
1967 [16:01:26] <rapha> ChanServ*
1968 [16:01:27] <nkuttler> rapha: oftc
1969 [16:01:27] <Robby> oh ok, yeah, then I don't know
anymore
1970 [16:01:30] <rapha> Oh
1971 [16:01:43] <Robby> you may indeed try asking over at oftc
1972 [16:01:46] <rapha> I will!
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1975 [16:04:00] <rapha> Hmm
1976 [16:04:05] <hexhaxtron> I just have a fresh install of Debian
but I don't have Internet... What should I do?
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1978 [16:04:25] <rapha> I guess I could just install from
replaced-url
1979 [16:04:37] <Robby> rapha: you may need
replaced-url
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1981 [16:04:57] <Robby> you should be able to feed that tarball
(or extract its contents first) to the debian 9 installer
1982 [16:05:12] <Robby> I see it does contain some rtl8723 stuff
1983 [16:05:38] <rapha> Robby: it looks like it actually boots
without unfree firmware. The rtl8723 stuff you see is not for
rtl8723bs, but rtl8723bt.
1984 [16:06:01] <mtn> hexhaxtron, wireless or ethernet?
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1986 [16:06:08] <Robby> yeah, I see different rtl8723 files in it
1987 [16:06:10] <hexhaxtron> mtn: wireless.
1988 [16:06:14] <rapha> Robby: plus, jackpot! :) -
replaced-url
1989 [16:06:33] <mtn> hexhaxtron, what is the wifi card/chip?
1990 [16:07:00] <hexhaxtron> mtn: Qualcomm Atheros
1991 [16:07:15] <hexhaxtron> AR9565
1992 [16:07:26] <mtn> hexhaxtron, either install the firmware or
use the installer that comes with firmware
1993 [16:07:42] <hexhaxtron> mtn: do I need Rescue Mode/
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1995 [16:07:43] <hexhaxtron> ?
1996 [16:07:51] <dvs> !ath9k
1997 [16:07:52] <dpkg> ath9k is a completely free (no proprietary
HAL) Linux kernel driver supporting PCI/PCIe 802.11n wireless LAN
devices with Atheros chips. It does not require firmware from
userspace. See
replaced-url
1998 [16:08:03] <Robby> it contains rtl8723aufw_A.bin,
rtl8723aufw_B.bin, rtl8723aufw_B_NoBT.bin, rtl8723befw.bin,
rtl8723bu_nic.bin, rtl8723fw.bin and rtl8723fw_B.bin
1999 [16:08:08] <Robby> but not a "bs" one
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2001 [16:08:21] <mtn> hexhaxtron, see what dpkg just posted
2002 [16:08:45] <Robby> I was hoping the last two would be more
generic or something and work with "bs" version but maybe
not
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2005 [16:09:56] <Robby> oh in another folder it has
rtl8723a_fw.bin and rtl8723b_fw.bin too
2006 [16:09:59] <Robby> ahwell....
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2008 [16:10:53] <Robby> anyway, I need to go now, good luck :)
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2010 [16:12:04] <rapha> Robby: all those were on the original iso
you helped me find and I manually tried them all. So, no ;) ... but
because of you I was able to boot this thing for the first time, so
thank you a lot! :)
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2048 [16:30:33] <KMGTB> hello
2049 [16:30:58] <KMGTB> is here someone with a experiance about
clonezilla?
2050 [16:31:38] <dvs> !ask
2051 [16:31:38] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For
example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian
version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I
expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if
anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all
volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get
an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org.
See <smart questions><errors>.
2052 [16:32:00] <at0m> !anyone
2053 [16:32:00] <dpkg> Please do not ask if anyone can help you,
knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'.
Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_
"does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about
<popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask>
<polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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2060 [16:33:55] <KMGTB> I installed a DRBL Server on Debian 8.8
and everything works well. But everytime i have to setup clonezilla
for the task i want to run. I want to setup the server in this way
that always is shown the entry of clonezilla in the boot menu of the
clients.
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2066 [16:36:58] <dvs> That's way over my head
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2074 [16:40:22] <KMGTB> what?
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2089 [16:47:32] <Eryn_1983_FL> hey peeps how do i find out my
model number for mobo ?
2090 [16:47:41] <Eryn_1983_FL> i need to get the driver packet for
windows...
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2094 [16:50:23] <BluesKaj> Eryn_1983_FL, ask in #windows
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2096 [16:51:03] <Eryn_1983_FL> windows wont tell me
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2098 [16:51:29] <BluesKaj> depends, are you on debian?
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2106 [16:54:57] <abrotman> dpkg: tell Eryn_1983_FL about
what's my hardware
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2108 [16:55:20] <BluesKaj> sudo dmidecode | more
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2142 [17:27:35] <guest2219> Installed Tor Browser Bundle (from Tor
Project). How can I get a launcher icon to show up like other
aplications, on Gnome 3?
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2145 [17:28:53] <whirlyNerd> For those in the DC area, there will
be a [belated] Stretch release party on 17 July:
replaced-url
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2148 [17:30:13] <abrotman> guest2219: launcher where?
2149 [17:31:19] <guest2219> In the collection of startup icons at
the bottom of the Gnome 3 left-side pop-out menu (9 dots).
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2160 [17:38:12] <abrotman> guest2219: where did you instlal it to?
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2163 [17:38:57] <guest2219> abrotman:
/home/user/tor-browser_en-US/start-tor-browser.desktop
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2165 [17:40:13] <guest2219> abrotman:
/home/user/tor-browser_en-US/, have to select
start-tor-browser.desktop to start tor browser.
2166 [17:40:41] <abrotman> you could try a symlink
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2168 [17:41:15] <guest2219> abrotman: symlink to where?
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2198 [18:04:36] <abrotman> guest2219: to a normal directory
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2205 [18:05:48] <kankusht> good afternoon
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2207 [18:05:58] <kankusht> is there anybody here?
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2209 [18:06:45] <kankusht> does anyone know anything about VOIP?
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2215 [18:09:53] <guest2219> abrotman: Okay, I'll give it a
try. Thanks.
2216 [18:11:40] <SuperTramp83> kankusht, just ask your question.
Don't ask to ask. :)
2217 [18:11:56] <kankusht> ok
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2220 [18:14:37] <kankusht> I have an IP telephony network disigned
in cisco packet tracer for a University project, the simulation
works perfect but I want to know how the IP telephones will receive
calls from PSTN phones. Could anyone help me with that please?
2221 [18:16:44] <JPT> You may probably need to use a "Session
Border Controller" that basically translates between these two
worlds. Not an expert though.
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2226 [18:18:57] <kankusht> what's that?
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2248 [18:39:26] <afidegnum> i tried the test exim -v
postmaster@your.domain.example mail is confirmed sent but it
doesn't get delivered
2249 [18:39:43] <afidegnum> port 25 is opened
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2268 [18:56:54] <kankusht> is there any IRC channel related to
VOIP?
2269 [18:57:42] <LtL> kankusht: use alis to search, /msg alis help
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2313 [19:17:12] <derkaderka> hi guys, Im installing nvidia card as
I always do on debian, but this time on buster. For some reason it
seems that fails. "modprobe nvidia" fails with
nvidia-current not found in directory
2314 [19:17:50] <Scuttle> isn't nvidia in non-free?
2315 [19:18:00] <derkaderka> yes
2316 [19:18:11] <Scuttle> and you have that repo in apt.sources?
2317 [19:18:17] <derkaderka> sure
2318 [19:18:30] <derkaderka> hm, seems like there is no
kernel-headers for this kernel version or something like that
2319 [19:18:50] <Scuttle> oh, you're running buster, sorry,
still on jessie :)
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2324 [19:19:20] <derkaderka> clean install of buster :)
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2327 [19:22:11] <derkaderka> hm, strange, I purged nvidia-drivers
and tried again. I get this message when aptitude install
nvidia-driver
2328 [19:22:14] <derkaderka> " linux-headers-amd64 : Depends:
linux-headers-4.9.0-3-amd64 which is a virtual package and is not
provided by any available package"
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2340 [19:26:11] <derkaderka> downloaded and dpkg -i'd headers
from stretch, installing again
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2347 [19:28:46] <L3gacy> Good bacon to all and to all some good
bacon!
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2366 [19:34:00] <derkaderka> ok, this is a fail it seems.
2367 [19:34:04] <derkaderka> aptitude install linux-headers-amd64
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2369 [19:34:14] <derkaderka> linux-headers-amd64 : Depends:
linux-headers-4.9.0-3-amd64 which is a virtual package and is not
provided by any available package
2370 [19:34:21] <derkaderka> oh well.
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2376 [19:37:12] <LtL> derkaderka: linux-headers-4.9.0-3-amd64
2377 [19:37:19] <derkaderka> seems like installing 4.11.0-1-amd64
fixed it
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2379 [19:37:45] <derkaderka> LtL: probably missing in the repos I
used or something
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2382 [19:39:29] <LtL> derkaderka: you might need a deb-src line in
the sources.list, not sure
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2389 [19:41:19] <derkaderka> headers were in place for next kernel
at least :) why it was missing for that kernel, I have no idea.
2390 [19:41:29] <derkaderka> "Building initial module for
4.11.0-1-amd64" promising
2391 [19:42:31] <LtL> derkaderka: are you using buster?
2392 [19:42:32] <derkaderka> ahh, modprobed it and it works, yay
2393 [19:43:13] <derkaderka> yep, upgraded from clean install -
stretch, so could be related maybe.
2394 [19:43:39] <derkaderka> but should then install new kernel
when dist-upgrading I suppose
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2406 [19:53:22] <pie3> anyone uses wake-on-lan?
2407 [19:53:31] <pie3> does it work in wifi?
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2416 [19:59:50] <Walakea> is there any standard way to get a wifi
driver for my Mediatek MT7630E card? currently i am using unofficial
driver that works for jessie but i am afraid of what happens when i
upgrade to stretch
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2420 [20:00:14] <pie3> what is that card for? Walakea
2421 [20:00:25] <Walakea> wifi card
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2423 [20:00:45] <Walakea> i am using this driver:
replaced-url
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2425 [20:01:26] <Walakea> as far as i know, it contains official
Mediatek binary-only firmware + GPLed driver
2426 [20:01:33] <LtL> Walakea: do you have the usbid for it?
'lsusb -v' looks like this xxxx:xxxx in hex
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2429 [20:03:12] <Walakea> Bus 001 Device 008: ID 0e8d:763f
MediaTek Inc.
2430 [20:03:12] <Walakea> idVendor 0x0e8d MediaTek Inc.
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2433 [20:05:18] <LtL> ,pciid 0cf3:9271
2434 [20:05:19] <judd> [0cf3:9271] is 'Unknown device'
from 'Unknown vendor' with no known kernel module in
jessie or in sid. See also
replaced-url
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2436 [20:05:50] <LtL> Walakea: thats a USB device, i don't
know how to get that from judd
2437 [20:06:05] <Walakea> other than from the name
"Mediatek" i cannot know if this is the wifi card
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2439 [20:06:36] <LtL> Walakea: pci or usb
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2442 [20:07:09] <Walakea> i am not sure, the card is integrated,
not external
2443 [20:07:28] <Walakea> 03:00.0 Network controller: MEDIATEK
Corp. MT7630e 802.11bgn Wireless Network Adapter
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2445 [20:07:35] <LtL> Walakea: likely pci and likely has no known
driver
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2450 [20:08:35] <Walakea> i wanted to ask if there is any firmare
in Debian non-free that might do a better job than the one i am
currently using
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2454 [20:09:52] <Walakea> also, they claim to support Linux up to
4.8, while Stretch uses 4.9, i think it will work, but still
2455 [20:10:40] <gvo> I have a lan with a mixture of Linux
systems, Ubuntu, Mint, Centos and Debian. For some reason a newly
installed Debian 8 system cannot see a openvz container running
Debian 7 but others on the lan can. No firewall on the D7 system. I
get Host unreachable from ping or ssh.
2456 [20:10:49] <LtL> Walakea: mediatek offers drivers for ubuntu
and mint, no info about debian that i can find
2457 [20:11:22] <Walakea> the official webpage for my model is no
longer availible
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2459 [20:11:35] <Walakea> for about 2 years by now
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2464 [20:13:00] <gvo> Walakea: Dongles are pretty cheap if you
can't find a driver.
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2468 [20:14:30] <Walakea> heard about that, next time i am buying
laptop i know what i will look for
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2484 [20:24:29] <Rudde> Hello
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2487 [20:24:57] <Rudde> My server have a dependency on a mount of
a disk that seems to have gone bad
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2489 [20:25:10] <Rudde> How do I boot my server even if that mount
dependency is not met?
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2501 [20:32:28] <gvo> Is that an important disk? Like / or /boot?
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2503 [20:33:31] <Rudde> Nah
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2505 [20:33:33] <Rudde> just storage
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2507 [20:33:47] <Rudde> But figured out it got solved if I
commented it out in fstab :P
2508 [20:33:56] <gvo> OK boot single user and edit /etc/fstab and
comment out the bad line.
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2510 [20:34:14] <gvo> OK good
2511 [20:34:20] <Rudde> Anything I can tag it as do it's not
a boot dependancy?
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2513 [20:34:34] <Rudde> I would rather have my system boot and
send me an email or something then just not boot at all
2514 [20:34:49] <gvo> Put noauto on the line and then try to
manually mount it.
2515 [20:35:47] <gvo> Write a bash script to test if it mounted OK
and if not send email. Put the script in /etc/rc.local
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2518 [20:36:14] <gvo> I don't know of anything automatic,
however.
2519 [20:36:29] <Rudde> yeah, but I want it to mount if it can
mount it, but if it can't then go ahead and boot anyway
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2523 [20:37:38] <gvo> I don't know how to do it during boot,
but if you put the script in rc.local it will try to mount and if it
fails then it tells you, otherwise the fs is mounted by the scrip.
2524 [20:37:42] <gvo> Script
2525 [20:38:24] <gvo> rc.local gets run immediately after boot.
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2527 [20:39:18] <Rudde> I remember having this issue as a kid
2528 [20:39:30] <Rudde> I literally reinstalled debian because I
did not know how to figure out what was wrong
2529 [20:39:59] <gvo> I think I've done that a time or two in
the hazy past.
2530 [20:40:07] <Memphis> hello, whats the command to execute
programme (in bash script) in new workspace ?
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2535 [20:44:17] <humbot> i think nowait instead of noauto in fstab
2536 [20:44:53] <gvo> That'll probably work too, but does it
notify the user upon failure?
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2538 [20:46:11] <gvo> Memphis: Take a look at wmctrl
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2544 [20:51:54] <MarioMey> Hello, there. To compile Blender, I
need libopenjpeg-dev... but I see that it is in sid (unstable)
repositories... is it safe to install that repository? I installed
Debian 9 one or two weeks ago.
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2547 [20:54:37] <nkuttler> ,v libopenjpeg-dev...
2548 [20:54:38] <judd> No package named
'libopenjpeg-dev...' was found in amd64.
2549 [20:54:39] <nkuttler> ,v libopenjpeg-dev
2550 [20:54:40] <judd> Package: libopenjpeg-dev on amd64 --
wheezy: 1.3+dfsg-4.8; wheezy-security: 1.3+dfsg-4.8; jessie:
1:1.5.2-3
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2552 [20:55:09] <nkuttler> MarioMey: that doesn't sound right
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2554 [20:55:27] <nkuttler> MarioMey: apt-cache policy
libopenjpeg-dev
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2560 [20:58:39] <Memphis> thanks for wmctrl @gvo
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2566 [21:05:06] <Aebian> where are ptr records proccessed? On the
dns server side? I mean I know my datacenter needs to set it but are
there bound to their nameservers or could I still use googles?
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2572 [21:06:49] <missmbob> google.domails lets them run everything
for you
2573 [21:06:55] <missmbob> domains*
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2581 [21:12:03] <SuperTramp83> Walakea, wow, that's some
adapter :/ Get a dongle or an internal one, they are very cheap.
replaced-url
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2586 [21:14:10] <Walakea> SuperTramp83: is the one i have
especially bad in terms of avalible drivers?
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2590 [21:14:45] <teraflops> Aebian: if your IP provider and DNS
provider are the same it's fine but, if not, the ptr must be
set by your IP provider
2591 [21:14:49] <SuperTramp83> Walakea, it is listed under
'unsupported chips' so.. yeah
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2593 [21:15:44] <dpyro> hi, i'm trying to setup a debian
server with a gnome DE using the propriety nvidia-driver for cuda
processing. lga 1151, celeron with integrated graphics connected to
display, 3x nvidia 1080ti (pascal). adding the nonfree repos and
installing nvidia-driver results in "oh no, something has gone
wrong" after a restart even when I remove all the nvidia cards
from the motherboard. kernel is ~4.9, nvidia-driver is ~375. Any
tips? Thanks in
2594 [21:15:44] <dpyro> advance!
2595 [21:15:54] <Aebian> well the dns a-record points to my
servers ip which is also my debian hostname. But it seems not to
work. maybe I need to ask my datacenter operator again to check the
ptr record
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2597 [21:15:59] <SuperTramp83> Walakea, On many laptops replacing
the wifi adapter is piece of cake. On many other's it is not.
So, if you can take a look under the hood and see.
2598 [21:16:01] <Walakea> SuperTramp83: how many unsupported wifi
chips are there? (percentage) give your best guess
2599 [21:16:13] <Aebian> eh I mean the dns (domain) is my hostname
not the ip
2600 [21:16:28] <SuperTramp83> Walakea, no idea. 30% ?
2601 [21:16:34] <Walakea> i bet i could, but i don't really
want to
2602 [21:16:44] <BluesKaj> dpyro, install nvidia-detect and dkms
2603 [21:16:59] <dpyro> BluesKaj: what does nvidia-detect do?
2604 [21:17:07] <teraflops> Aebian: you asked where PTR are set.
2605 [21:17:29] <Walakea> SuperTramp83: i even have unused NVidia
card (940M) which is just a little better than integrated Intel GPU
2606 [21:17:49] <Aebian> yeah I do because I wasn't sure
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2609 [21:17:55] <Aebian> *did
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2611 [21:18:12] <dpyro> the owner of the IP address usually sets
the PTR record
2612 [21:18:17] <Walakea> i still needed to install bbswitch to
disable it so it doesn't take my battery time
2613 [21:18:28] <teraflops> Aebian: yeah and I told you
2614 [21:19:21] <BluesKaj> dpyro, it finds the correct nvidia
driver for your gpu
2615 [21:19:21] <SuperTramp83> Walakea, the situation with the
hardware as we know is not bright. This is why you should check 3
times wifi and GPU before buying. Take a look at thinkpenguin or
technoetic, they sell wifi dongles that are guaranteed to work
without any proprietary firmware at all.
2616 [21:19:25] <dpyro> my worry is that just having the driver
installed causes the "something is wrong"
2617 [21:19:37] <dpyro> regardless of having any nvidia cards
plugged in
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2619 [21:20:36] <dpyro> i'll try apt-get purging all the
nvidia and see if i can start with just nvidia-detect
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2621 [21:21:26] <Walakea> SuperTramp83: i learned that the hard
way (not really, Debian works really well for me)
2622 [21:21:48] <teraflops> Aebian: if you want rdns you have to
ask them (ip owner) to set the ptr you want. vps providers use to
have a interface for such purposes, ISPs will either ask you for
money or directly ignore your request :P
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2626 [21:23:34] <dpyro> a lot of times PTR is used to check for
spam detection, in that if you pay $ for hosting/IP address the
provider will also offer an interface to change it
2627 [21:23:56] <dpyro> if you're using a residential dynamic
IP for example you most likely wont be able to change it
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2631 [21:24:57] <dpyro> i dont think any email host will accept
email without a matching PTR for example
2632 [21:25:00] <teraflops> dpyro: I dont think you can run a mail
server these days without rdns resolving properly, the very first
mail you send you end in a bunch of black list
2633 [21:25:06] <dpyro> yup
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2635 [21:25:22] <Aebian> teraflops: I'm my own ISP so I just
ask my friend who does the networking stuff on our end, thanks :P
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2637 [21:25:43] <teraflops> np
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2639 [21:26:48] <Aebian> hmm changing dnsservers requires a server
restart I guess right?
2640 [21:26:55] <dpyro> BluesKaj: it recommends the nvidia-driver,
which i had originally tried
2641 [21:27:00] <dpyro> purging did work though
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2643 [21:27:08] <teraflops> Aebian: what do you mean?
2644 [21:27:14] <teraflops> Aebian: DNS records?
2645 [21:27:17] <dpyro> that's the easy way but no it does
not
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2647 [21:27:25] <dpyro> do you mean from client or server Aebian?
2648 [21:27:34] <Aebian> well the stuff in /etc/resolv.conf for
e.g.
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2650 [21:27:42] <teraflops> nope
2651 [21:27:55] <Aebian> ok
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2653 [21:29:37] <dpyro> debian gnome desktop env = gnome 3?
2654 [21:29:53] <dpyro> still uses x.org? dunno what the status of
that is now
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2660 [21:32:49] <whirlyNerd> You can choose between X.org or
Wayland.
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2663 [21:33:23] <whirlyNerd> I've been using Wayland since
Stretch released and it works pretty well on my MBP.
2664 [21:34:01] <BluesKaj> dpyro, unfortunatly nvidia doesn't
support wayland ...yet
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2667 [21:34:41] <dpyro> alright, but by default x is still being
used, right?
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2669 [21:35:00] <dpyro> as i've gotten older i've come
to appreciate OSS drivers even if they aren't as performant
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2671 [21:35:08] <dpyro> they're far more usuable
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2673 [21:35:43] <BluesKaj> X11 is still default
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2679 [21:37:04] <whirlyNerd> Yes X is the default. When using gdm
(GNOME), you hit the gear before you start typing your password to
login.
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2682 [21:40:13] <LtL> whirlyNerd: spacebar works, if i'm
following you correctly.
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2684 [21:40:39] <dpyro> same result 😞 I get to gdm, put in my
credentials, then get "Something has gone wrong!"
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2686 [21:41:30] <dpyro> i had the same thing happen in centos 7
2687 [21:42:01] <dpyro> i suspect its a interaction between
nvidia, x, the kernel, and/or skylake chipset
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2690 [21:44:59] <whirlyNerd> LtL: Not sure about using the
spacebar...
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2711 [22:00:00] <dpyro> BluesKaj: does dkms build from source?
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2718 [22:03:32] <Neobenedict> this is my current interfaces file,
how can I change it so the 144.76 IP is the default IP for outgoing
connections?
replaced-url
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2721 [22:04:41] <Neobenedict> i just broke it by adding
"post-up ip route replace default via <old> src
<new>" (by broke, I mean cut all internet access off and
had to kvm in to remove that)
2722 [22:04:52] <BluesKaj> dpyro, dkms builds from the kernel
modules
2723 [22:05:13] <Neobenedict> the via wasn't the gateway ip,
but i'd rather wait for opinions before potentially breaking it
again
2724 [22:05:32] <BluesKaj> dpyro,
replaced-url
2725 [22:05:37] <nickroll> hi guys, getting these errors. Bought
the ryzen cpu 1600x some weeks ago, and these errors pop up from
time to time
2726 [22:05:43] <nickroll>
replaced-url
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2728 [22:06:03] <dpyro> dkms still results in a "Oh no!"
error
2729 [22:07:02] <BluesKaj> dpyro, update and upgrade your packages
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2731 [22:07:42] <kritter> What is the current standard for cloning
a drive on linux?
2732 [22:08:15] <Lowl3v3l> kritter: what do you mean by
"cloning"? creating a bitwise image of it?
2733 [22:08:18] <kritter> Yes.
2734 [22:08:21] <derkaderka> dpyro: had some strange issues with
kernel headers missing from repos on buster recently. Switched
kernel, and things worked :)
2735 [22:08:30] <Lowl3v3l> kritter: dd? cp?
2736 [22:08:36] <kritter> Still dd?
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2738 [22:08:43] <BluesKaj> dpyro, recommend you add, contrib
nonfree, to the deb lines in your sources.list
2739 [22:08:47] <Lowl3v3l> kritter: why not ? it does the job o.o
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2741 [22:08:55] <kritter> I borked my windows bootloader and I
want to ghost the drive before I try fixing it
2742 [22:09:00] <kritter> since it has important data on it
2743 [22:09:08] <dpyro> BluesKaj: what is the path for
sources.list?
2744 [22:09:17] <dpyro> already upgraded and updated packages
before i tried all this
2745 [22:09:22] <dpyro> dist-upgrade does nothing
2746 [22:09:26] <BluesKaj> dpyro, correction , contrib non-free
2747 [22:09:30] <nickroll> kritter: dd is awesome. You could dd
through netcat too, pretty cool for cloning disks over network.
2748 [22:10:03] <kritter> Been a long time since I used dd, do I
just dd it to a file?
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2750 [22:10:37] <dpyro> already have those added BluesKaj
2751 [22:10:43] <kritter> i need to dd it to a file, not a
physical drive
2752 [22:10:46] <dpyro> derkaderka: anything intel or nvidia
related or just something else?
2753 [22:11:03] <dpyro> supposedly the nvidia driver builds have
been tested up to kernel 4.10, and i'm on 4.9
2754 [22:11:06] <BluesKaj> dpyro, sudo apt-ger update &&
sudo apt-get upgrade
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2756 [22:11:16] <BluesKaj> apt-get
2757 [22:11:30] <derkaderka> dpyro: had problems with installing
nvidia driver on 4.9 recently
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2759 [22:11:42] <dpyro> BluesKaj: 0 packages to change
2760 [22:11:43] <derkaderka> switched to 4.11 or something, and
worked well.
2761 [22:11:57] <dpyro> how did you switch kernels? just move up
to buster?
2762 [22:12:06] <kritter> dd if=/dev/sdX conv=sync,noerror bs=64K
| gzip -c > /path/to/backup.img.gz
2763 [22:12:12] <derkaderka> dpyro: moved up to buster
2764 [22:12:19] <dpyro> can you do that from a current install?
2765 [22:12:21] <kritter> Will that dump my entire disk to a gz?
2766 [22:12:22] <derkaderka> dpyro: probably what caused the
problem though
2767 [22:12:36] <derkaderka> dpyro: upgrade to buster?
2768 [22:12:45] <dpyro> yes, right now on stretch i think
2769 [22:12:55] <derkaderka> dpyro: oh yes, easily
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2771 [22:13:30] <derkaderka> dpyro: :%s/stretch/buster/g inside
the sources.list
2772 [22:13:42] <derkaderka> dpyro: then aptitude update
&& dist-upgrade
2773 [22:13:53] <derkaderka> oh aptitude dist-upgrade
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2776 [22:16:19] <dpyro> i'll see if i can rescue my DE and
then try that
2777 [22:16:29] <dpyro> so if i doesn't work, i know
there's not a confounding factor
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2787 [22:22:56] <derkaderka> kritter: yes, seems correct
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2836 [23:03:22] <strk> how to tell which non-installed package
contains a "gstreamer-config" file ?
2837 [23:04:10] <towo`> apt-file?
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2842 [23:06:18] <strk> apt-file search gstreamer-config # no hits
:(
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2844 [23:07:44] <petemc> strk: assuming you have updated the
apt-file db, try searching for gstreamer
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2857 [23:17:21] <bionix> If Jesus came back today, would he use an
iPhone or an Android ?
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2863 [23:20:40] <towo`> bionix, he would use a windows-phone
2864 [23:20:49] <abrotman> that's completely offtopic, take
it elsewhere
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2894 [23:41:07] <dario_> hi people
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2897 [23:42:17] <dario_> I tried to boot a unofficial debian 9 +
nonfree, to get my wifi working, and all work fine, but I can't
find the installer icon, nor a installer voice in menu, where may I
find that?
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2901 [23:46:56] <forcerecon> hey debian
2902 [23:47:06] <dpyro> alright, trying kernel 4.11
2903 [23:47:19] <dpyro> is ksplice or something similar now
integrated in kernel 4.x?
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2906 [23:47:53] <forcerecon> wanted to make a cloud server for the
house.. basically just a storage unit and create a single dropbox on
it
2907 [23:47:53] <forcerecon> then save stuff to the lan, and have
it moved to the cloud..
2908 [23:47:53] <forcerecon> I have 2 servers small 4gb of ram
each, home servers with 6.5 Terabytes of space each..
2909 [23:48:35] <dpyro> cloud server? is the home server the
canonical location?
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2911 [23:48:54] <forcerecon> shall I just install debian server,
or not waste my time and just install debian 9 with a share for the
lan that is the dropbox
2912 [23:48:54] <forcerecon> ideas?
2913 [23:49:44] <Brigo> dario_, can't undestand your problem
2914 [23:49:47] <dpyro> depends what you want to do with it and
what you want to do with your time
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2916 [23:50:23] <Brigo> forcerecon, install debian server or
debian?
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2920 [23:51:00] <dario_> Brigo: I booted a live image of 9.0, with
nonfree packages to work my wifi, all work right, but Ican't
the installation program; after using live, I wish to install it
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2922 [23:51:38] <dario_> Brigo: I can't find the installer
application
2923 [23:51:55] <whirlyNerd> @dario: Last I checked, the live
images had some "issues". Grab one of the regular ISOs.
The firmware netinstall worked good for me.
2924 [23:52:00] <dario_> Brigo: no icon on desktop, no menu voice
in menu
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2926 [23:52:10] <Brigo> dario_, as far as i know you can't
install live. Use the netinstaller.
2927 [23:52:13] <forcerecon> Brigo: well that tells you how much I
know about server vs client.. I already use debian 9, I thought
server was nother entity
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2931 [23:52:52] <dario_> Brigo: ok, thanks
2932 [23:52:58] <Brigo> forcerecon, no, there is only one debian
with all the stuff available.
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2935 [23:53:07] <Brigo> dario_, np, good luck.
2936 [23:53:10] <dario_> bye,going to install...
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2945 [23:56:02] <forcerecon> I need a tiny monitor for a headless
server
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2948 [23:57:11] <dpyro> you just need ssh and luck!
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2952 [23:58:04] <forcerecon>
replaced-url
2953 [23:58:04] <forcerecon> you think debian would pick up on
that
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2955 [23:59:05] <forcerecon>
replaced-url
2956 [23:59:05] <forcerecon> vga
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