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• 40[00:37:41] <rhizome> hi all, is there a way to just turn my fan on full blast? I want to test it, and thinkfan is too complicated.
• 41[00:37:47] <rhizome> laptop fan.
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• 59[00:48:59] <LtL> rhizome: try 'echo level 7 | sudo tee /proc/acpi/ibm/fan' 1-7 is valid, or auto
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• 90[01:05:17] <qwertrtuttu> replaced-url
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• 101[01:09:31] <qwertrtuttu> in latest version Debian the same?
• 102[01:10:22] <nkuttler> qwertrtuttu: sure
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• 106[01:10:41] <nkuttler> ,v iputils-ping
• 107[01:10:42] <judd> Package: iputils-ping on amd64 -- jessie: 3:20121221-5+b2; stretch: 3:20161105-1; bullseye: 3:20180629-2; buster: 3:20180629-2; sid: 3:20190515-2
• 108[01:11:54] <nkuttler> there was ping -f before too
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• 112[01:14:55] <qwertrtuttu> DDoS through a ping and limited an inquiry interval one second?
• 113[01:15:12] <qwertrtuttu> bad
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• 125[01:21:38] <rhizome> LtL: can i get a redo on that? :) my machine froze, which funnily enough is what I'm troubleshooting
• 126[01:21:45] <kreyren> ,v dzip
• 127[01:21:46] <judd> No package named 'dzip' was found in amd64.
• 128[01:21:52] <kreyren> ,file dzip
• 129[01:21:57] <judd> No packages in buster/amd64 were found with that file.
• 130[01:22:01] <rhizome> i could only see your nick behind some other window
• 131[01:22:07] * kreyren breaks stuff
• 132[01:22:44] <LtL> rhizome: I use 'echo level 7 | sudo tee /proc/acpi/ibm/fan' 0-7 is valid, or auto you probably need lm-sensors installed and run sensore-detect first.
• 133[01:23:02] <rhizome> gotcha, thanks
• 134[01:23:17] <kreyren> none has dzip ;-;
• 135[01:23:22] <LtL> sensors-detect rather, its been awhile rhizome
• 136[01:23:39] <kreyren> looking for recommendation to extract .dzip archives from The Witcher 2 game
• 137[01:23:46] <kreyren> excluding using redmodtoolking
• 138[01:23:51] <kreyren> *redmodtoolkit
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• 141[01:25:33] <kreyren> and excluding replaced-url
• 142[01:25:34] <qwertrtuttu> why? for ping -i 0.2 sec need sudo. Malware can use sudo in console? Or mass user used ping with 0.2 sec.
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• 146[01:28:24] <qwertrtuttu> mass users
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• 151[01:30:20] <qwertrtuttu> Or many user used ping with 0.2 sec.
• 152[01:31:14] <nkuttler> qwertrtuttu: this channel is for debian support. if you have generic linux or security questions you might be looking for a different place
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• 167[01:43:59] <qwertrtuttu> it doesn't matter debian or not i see no 0.2 sec in ping this new standard or not?
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• 177[01:50:45] <qwertrtuttu> if standard for ping, any new versions linux be have ping without -i 0.2
• 178[01:51:09] <qwertrtuttu> if standard for ping, any new versions linux will have ping without -i 0.2
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• 181[01:52:25] <jmcnaught> qwertrtuttu: there are two different pings, inetutils-ping, and iputils-ping (which is what is installed here, and has the <0.2 second restriction for non-root)
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• 206[02:03:40] <qwertrtuttu> I did not know it. In the previous versions by default there was a ping with an interval 0.2
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• 209[02:05:06] <jmcnaught> Default interval for ping was always 1 second as far as I remember.
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• 216[02:07:34] <qwertrtuttu> ping -i 0.2 8.8.8.8
• 217[02:07:34] <qwertrtuttu> ping: invalid value (`0.2' near `.2')
• 218[02:07:37] <qwertrtuttu> iputils-ping
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• 225[02:08:57] <qwertrtuttu> inetutils-ping and iputils-ping cannot - i 0.9-0.2 sec
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• 228[02:09:34] <jmcnaught> 'ping -i 0.2 192.168.3.1' works for me
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• 235[02:10:14] <qwertrtuttu> replaced-url
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• 237[02:10:33] <qwertrtuttu> 1 sec ok
• 238[02:10:43] <qwertrtuttu> min 1 sek ok
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• 240[02:10:48] <jmcnaught> qwertrtuttu: you're using Ubuntu?
• 241[02:11:15] <qwertrtuttu> ubuntu-mate
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• 243[02:11:47] <qwertrtuttu> not ubuntu + mate
• 244[02:11:48] <jmcnaught> qwertrtuttu: then Ubuntu must be different than Debian, which is why you should get support in the channel for your distro, not a related distro.
• 245[02:11:53] <jmcnaught> !ubuntu
• 246[02:11:53] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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• 249[02:12:58] <Bushmills> my debian ping allows interval of 0.2s
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• 265[02:19:25] <qwertrtuttu> iputils-ping 3:20190515-2
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• 269[02:21:05] <Bushmills> iputils-ping 3:20180629-2
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• 274[02:23:18] <qwertrtuttu> and at you will be also, but later
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• 277[02:25:03] <qwertrtuttu> humor: do not update debian = ping without o.2 sec
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• 279[02:25:13] <qwertrtuttu> 0.2
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• 282[02:27:33] <qwertrtuttu> 0.9-0.2
• 283[02:28:49] <Bushmills> shell sleep time which could be specified was also different across distributions. some only allowed integers, like sleep 1, but no shorter interval like sleep 0.1 (which bash from debian has always allowed, at least on x86)
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• 289[02:32:43] <Bushmills> another difference in allowed time specification if found with shell read. not all allowed waiting for specified time of 0 for key input, like read -N1 -t0 key
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• 359[03:33:19] <m0rd3cai> If anyone can help with RKhunter I would appreciate it alot. I just ran a -c check and it returned a warning for hidden files or directories but thats all. It doesnt tell me the possible files or directories. I have the log file if it helps. any help would be appreciated
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• 367[03:38:28] <m0rd3cai> heres the rkhunter output. replaced-url
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• 385[03:57:41] <b00^> ahoy dudes
• 386[03:57:50] <b00^> I haven't been using Debian in looooooooooooooooong time
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• 389[04:00:46] <dvs> b00^, why not!?!?
• 390[04:01:09] <b00^> dvs, ah, just been all over other linuses I suppose :P
• 391[04:01:23] <b00^> lots of fedora , ubuntu ..
• 392[04:02:08] <dvs> shame! shame! shame! ;-)
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• 394[04:02:49] <b00^> totally
• 395[04:02:50] <b00^> :D
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• 406[04:16:17] <saptech> cd ~
• 407[04:16:32] <winny> just do cd
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• 432[04:49:00] <TuxBlackEdo> Hello, i can't boot into any linux based OS, no matter what live USB linux I use I keep getting "BAD RIP VALUE" and "Kernel unable to handle paging request" replaced-url
• 433[04:49:01] <TuxBlackEdo> far and i've spent 4 hours on this so I am asking here
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• 441[04:52:46] <winny> TuxBlackEdo: other OS booting/functioning ok?
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• 443[04:53:30] <TuxBlackEdo> winny windows 10, yea
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• 445[04:54:10] <winny> what linux media have you tested against?
• 446[04:54:25] <TuxBlackEdo> ubuntu 18.04/19.04 kali linux
• 447[04:54:44] <TuxBlackEdo> maybe i should try debian
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• 449[04:55:22] <winny> might be worthwhile to try something not debian derived, maybe check out systemrescuecd or alpine linux
• 450[04:55:26] <winny> or fedora
• 451[04:55:40] <winny> just for testing purposes :)
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• 453[04:56:27] <winny> unlikely, but would be worthwhile to verify your media is not damaged, and your ram is ok
• 454[04:57:04] <TuxBlackEdo> i tried a memtest it seemed to be fine, and i have tested different media even tried reading it back with 0 errors
• 455[04:57:15] <winny> excellent, so that was explored
• 456[04:58:34] <winny> it also might be useful to test against a different boot method, in case something is strangely wrong with the given subsystem or how linux's drivers use it
• 457[04:59:06] <winny> still, grasping at straws
• 458[04:59:40] <TuxBlackEdo> yea windows 10
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• 460[04:59:53] <winny> yes, but with linux
• 461[05:00:03] <winny> for example cdrom or network boot
• 462[05:00:10] <TuxBlackEdo> actually you did give me an idea
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• 464[05:00:17] <TuxBlackEdo> i am going to try fedora
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• 466[05:01:08] <winny> replaced-url
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• 474[05:07:46] <veremitz> hey folks .. can anyone tell me how to clone (CLI) a repo hosted at git.deb.at ?
• 475[05:08:11] <veremitz> the gitweb doesn't give me any clues, and git://git.deb.at doesn't wanna work either :(
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• 485[05:15:33] <FuZi0N> How can i build the latest version of x264 .exe? I was able to build the linux binary but how can I build the windows binary? I am compiling on debian but I am not sure what ./configure command I use. Any ideas?
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• 489[05:16:08] <TuxBlackEdo> same error replaced-url
• 490[05:16:17] <TuxBlackEdo> it doesnt matter which linux i try
• 491[05:16:39] <TuxBlackEdo> they all show the same error
• 492[05:16:46] <TuxBlackEdo> i could edit some grub command lines though
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• 494[05:17:30] <TuxBlackEdo> i always get to grub and the after grub is where every linux just craps out with the same "kernel paging fault" "BAD RIP VALUE" error
• 495[05:17:49] <TuxBlackEdo> i updated my bios to the latest version
• 496[05:17:55] <TuxBlackEdo> cleared all bios settings
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• 501[05:20:58] <TuxBlackEdo> you know what
• 502[05:21:00] <TuxBlackEdo> i bet its Nouveau
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• 508[05:25:20] <winny> TuxBlackEdo: might be worthwhile to google your mobo and/or cpu model with "bad rip value" or "kernel paging fault"
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• 510[05:25:34] <TuxBlackEdo> I did, i get nothing
• 511[05:25:55] <TuxBlackEdo> Also the manufacturer says my motherboard is linux compatiable :)
• 512[05:26:10] <TuxBlackEdo> so I got a feeling it's my gfx card and nouveau
• 513[05:26:31] <winny> if you have onboard video, could try pulling the card to test that way
• 514[05:26:43] <TuxBlackEdo> Nouveau Open-Source Driver Will Now Work With NVIDIA RTX 2080 Ti On Linux 5.0
• 515[05:26:55] <TuxBlackEdo> wait, what linux distro comes with a linux 5.0 kernel?
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• 517[05:29:45] <winny> archlinux might, though not sure if their install media is new enough yet
• 518[05:30:27] <winny> replaced-url
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• 521[05:31:12] <winny> looks like it should ship with a 5.x kernel
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• 523[05:33:51] <TuxBlackEdo> replaced-url
• 524[05:33:59] <TuxBlackEdo> ok i am going to try that
• 525[05:34:14] <winny> yes, and if you go here: replaced-url
• 526[05:34:54] <winny> it also looks like debian experimental has 5.x, but not sure how useful that would be for non-developers
• 527[05:35:54] <winny> some other mentions, fedora rawhide and opensuse tumbleweed, likely both ship 5.x
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• 529[05:37:56] <joepublic> And if you want to be really adventurous, kernel.org is handing out test kits for kernel 5.3-rc2
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• 543[05:55:31] <rustyshackleford> I'm looking for a nicer like, file explorer I can use over ssh?
• 544[05:55:50] <rustyshackleford> basically I want to compare two directories
• 545[05:56:02] <joepublic> nicer than what?
• 546[05:56:06] <rustyshackleford> but I only have a command line environent
• 547[05:56:10] <rustyshackleford> joepublic: nicer than ls lol
• 548[05:56:16] <FuZi0N> pls help
• 549[05:56:17] <joepublic> maybe mc?
• 550[05:56:37] <winny> rustyshackleford: are you interested in merging the changes between the two directories? you might find unison helpful for that
• 551[05:56:46] <winny> unison -ui text
• 552[05:57:02] <rustyshackleford> rsync is normally pretty helpful but I screwed something up
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• 554[05:57:14] <rustyshackleford> I need a better backup system
• 555[05:57:37] <winny> unison (as opposed to rsync) asks you up front before you commit to doing anything what to do for each conflict, sort of like git in a way, but far simpler
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• 581[06:20:18] <TuxBlackEdo> that didnt work
• 582[06:20:26] <TuxBlackEdo> same error on arch linux
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• 588[06:25:21] <__adan> hello guys, i have a problem, please help: Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist,0), my "/var/log/Xorg.0.log" says that problem,,,but i can use "lsmod | grep nvidia " to found nvidia,,, why?
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• 590[06:27:42] <__adan> i'm now using irssi,,, so small,,,black screen,, i cant talk more sentence,,, somebody help me? i dont wanna restall my system
• 591[06:28:12] <__adan> debian9, kernel 4.9.0.
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• 597[06:35:18] <diogenes_> _anb, how did you install it?
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• 633[07:18:33] <jim> __adan, maybe you can bump the font on the terminal?
• 634[07:19:04] <jim> which terminal is it?
• 635[07:21:38] <__adan> ... hardware black screen,, cant even input chinese or anything, i cant order 'startx' now, because my nvidia driver program is crashed now.
• 636[07:22:39] <__adan> i just installed CUDA and restart my system,,, and then, 'startx' crash!!
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• 640[07:24:49] <__adan> everytime when i face this situation, i run away from it... everytime i choosed to restall my system,,,
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• 644[07:30:57] <__adan> exactly i think the 'nvidia module' has found, but, "Warning, couldnt open module nvidia"...
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• 649[07:33:14] <__adan> maybe i should switch to another "nvidia module",,, it's that everything in "/lib/modules/4.9.0-9-amd64/updates/dkms/*"
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• 679[07:56:31] <Abdullah> I always get linux-4.19-5 in update. Is it an issue in my system or what?
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• 682[07:57:05] <Abdullah> Linux nix 4.19.0-5-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.19.37-5 (2019-06-19) x86_64 GNU/Linux
• 683[07:57:11] <Abdullah> is uname -a
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• 688[08:01:36] <themill> Abdullah: yes, there is an updated package for you to install
• 689[08:01:41] <themill> (and then reboot into)
• 690[08:01:52] <Abdullah> okay
• 691[08:02:13] <Abdullah> but I always get the same output of uname after upgrade
• 692[08:02:24] <themill> you need to reboot into the new kernel
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• 694[08:08:20] <Abdullah> themill: appending 'after reboot' to last message I sent.
• 695[08:08:26] <alkisg> Abdullah: paste your /boot/grub/grub.cfg
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• 697[08:08:40] <Abdullah> alkisg: I don't have grub
• 698[08:08:45] <alkisg> What do you have?
• 699[08:08:52] <Abdullah> nothing
• 700[08:08:56] <alkisg> How do you boot?
• 701[08:09:04] <Abdullah> direct kernel boot
• 702[08:09:18] <alkisg> Like, kvm -kernel xxx?
• 703[08:09:31] <andre144k> hi all - how can i find real filename from a soft link in bash?
• 704[08:09:39] <Abdullah> using vmlinuz and initramfs.img
• 705[08:09:44] <alkisg> andre144k: readlink -f file
• 706[08:10:12] <Abdullah> file will also work I think, isn't that alkisg ?
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• 708[08:10:35] <Abdullah> file 'path to file'
• 709[08:10:56] <alkisg> Abdullah: but how are these loaded? UEFI can't automatically load vmlinuz and initramfs.img
• 710[08:10:59] <andre144k> alkisg, thanks
• 711[08:11:00] <alkisg> You need some kind of boot loader
• 712[08:11:01] <alkisg> np
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• 714[08:11:28] <Abdullah> alkisg: efi can.
• 715[08:11:51] <Abdullah> isn't efi a bootloader itself?
• 716[08:11:54] <alkisg> Abdullah: efi can automatically load an initrd? since when?
• 717[08:12:00] <alkisg> It can load a kernel, but not an initrd
• 718[08:12:21] <alkisg> Does the kernel support loading the initrd by itself?
• 719[08:12:24] <Abdullah> vmlinuz isn't kernel image?
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• 722[08:12:39] <Abdullah> alkisg: yeah it does, else I have to recompile it
• 723[08:12:59] <alkisg> Abdullah: what's the output of this? cat /proc/cmdline
• 724[08:13:08] <Abdullah> initrd is only needed as I have encrypted partitions
• 725[08:13:27] <Abdullah> cryptdevice=UUID=I2CbXm-xgug-CicO-3ZY0-dH0S-kLID-bt1A40:cryptlvm root=UUID=4ce7baba-6b4b-4f8f-8ecd-c46542170963 rw initrd=\initrd.img resume=UUID=cd5bdbd2-01cd-4f72-a098-7137d0577658
• 726[08:13:45] <alkisg> And the output of: efibootmgr -v | grep UUID
• 727[08:14:04] <themill> Abdullah: could you please explain some more your two statements "I always get linux-4.19-5 in update." and "I always get the same output of uname after upgrade after reboot"? How many times are you doing this? Can you show some real output from apt?
• 728[08:14:37] <themill> Abdullah: can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy linux-image-4.19.0-5-amd64" for me?
• 729[08:14:45] <Abdullah> themill: doing it since months.
• 730[08:15:14] <themill> that package hasn't existed for months
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• 733[08:18:14] <Abdullah> themill: replaced-url
• 734[08:18:27] <Abdullah> alkisg: with UUID there is no output
• 735[08:19:02] <alkisg> Abdullah: can you paste the whole output of: efibootmgr -v
• 736[08:19:16] <alkisg> I really doubt that you're passing this cmdline via uefi
• 737[08:19:21] <themill> Abdullah: that shows that you have not installed the upgraded package
• 738[08:19:24] <alkisg> I think that you forgot a grub.cfg in your efi partition
• 739[08:19:43] <alkisg> But themill is more to the point, I was just amazed that you have no grub.cfg
• 740[08:19:49] <Abdullah> alkisg: I don't even have grub installed
• 741[08:20:02] <alkisg> Abdullah: so what is passing this /proc/cmdline?
• 742[08:20:11] <alkisg> If efibootmgr doesn't have it?
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• 745[08:20:30] <Abdullah> I created an entry using efibootmgr
• 746[08:20:38] <alkisg> Without that cmdline?
• 747[08:20:40] <alkisg> And what is passing it?
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• 749[08:21:19] <Abdullah> alkisg: You should read some wiki page exist on debian wiki too I think. about direct kernel boot
• 750[08:21:35] <Abdullah> alkisg: I have it but my site is gone.
• 751[08:21:48] <Abdullah> maybe I can paste the html file for you if you want.
• 752[08:22:00] <alkisg> Abdullah: I don't understand WHERE you put your cmdline; a single "there" would be more than enough
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• 754[08:22:19] <alkisg> I have read about direct kernel boot, but I haven't seen any method to do it without specifying it in efibootmgr
• 755[08:22:29] <Abdullah> alkisg: replaced-url
• 756[08:22:45] <alkisg> ty, reading...
• 757[08:23:03] <Abdullah> np
• 758[08:23:43] <alkisg> So efibootmgr --unicode then doesn't show in efibootmgr -v as utf-8... hmmm, maybe that's it
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• 763[08:24:58] <Abdullah> is it okay to do fresh install using old stretch iso?
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• 766[08:25:36] <Abdullah> A netinstall iso.
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• 768[08:26:03] <Abdullah> this system is somehow bloated and I want a fresh start.
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• 770[08:26:23] <themill> given you seem to want to run bullseye, you may as well start with a buster iso.
• 771[08:26:39] <themill> But to your specific problem, you need to install the updated kernel package...
• 772[08:27:36] <Abdullah> themill: is there a problem with stretch iso I have?
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• 774[08:28:24] <os_> hi all, how could i run x11 without sielently opening
• 775[08:28:32] <os_> sorry
• 776[08:28:32] <Abdullah> But I think as I'm saving some bandwidth by not downloading the new iso, I'll have to download more packages as they are outdated in stretch. isn't that?
• 777[08:28:33] <themill> you'd need to upgrade from old stretch to stretch and then from stretch to buster and then buster to bullseye. You may as well just download the new netinst image. It would probably less download and faster
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• 779[08:28:57] <Abdullah> yeah exactly.
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• 781[08:29:42] <os_> hi all, how can i run x11 without open any virtual console (tty)
• 782[08:29:57] <themill> Debian package installation is optimised for data safety not speed; dpkg is not fast.
• 783[08:30:28] <os_> silent running, i mean ...
• 784[08:31:07] <Abdullah> os_: if [[ ! $DISPLAY && "$(tty)" = "/dev/tty1" ]]; then
• 785[08:31:09] <Abdullah> exec startx
• 786[08:31:11] <Abdullah> fi
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• 791[08:33:07] <Abdullah> replaced-url
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• 795[08:33:54] <themill> do you really want debian-edu?
• 796[08:34:04] <os_> no, Abdullah, i mean making X doesn't open /dev/tty at all
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• 801[08:34:54] <Abdullah> os_: I'm newb but I think X runs on some of /dev/tty and you can disable others.
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• 803[08:35:11] <os_> passing an option for x server for example
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• 805[08:35:17] <os_> ok abdullah
• 806[08:36:10] <Abdullah> I did disable them in a source based distro. and enabled only two of them, one for xorg to run at, one for some emergency situations
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• 810[08:37:20] <os_> ok
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• 813[08:37:53] <Abdullah> Asked the same thing in #linux. waiting for answers. join if you're not already there.
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• 865[09:09:52] <Pymous> Hey guys ! I have some issue with a RPi 4, ALSA and my HDMI audio output ; using hello_audio.bin, I get the sine sound, but every other command/app don't output any sound (including aplay and Chrome)
• 866[09:10:00] <Pymous> and I'm a bit stuck on the subject :D
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• 874[09:12:58] <Pymous> And OMXPlayer is working (just found out)
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• 893[09:18:56] <Pymous> OK, got the sound "working" by removing pulseaudio and setting the sound level to the max
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• 895[09:19:03] <Pymous> But now, sound from other app are GARBAGE
• 896[09:19:15] <thms> -____-
• 897[09:19:19] <Pymous> Really cranky noise instead of voice :D
• 898[09:19:32] <thms> alsamixer
• 899[09:19:39] <Pymous> and some frequency doesn't seem to be played at all
• 900[09:19:53] <Pymous> thms : Hey, thanks for replying, what about alsamixer ?
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• 904[09:24:22] <thms> Did you select the right output ?
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• 907[09:25:26] <Pymous> thms : That's a good question, on alsamixer, I only have one, so I guess ? But I can't be sure
• 908[09:25:37] <Pymous> I'm really newbie with alsa, never really had to use it before
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• 920[09:30:58] <SPiRiT__> Hi friends :) Can anyone please guide me how to change GDM3 login background? I tried editing /etc/gdm3/greeter.dconf-defaults and gnome-shell.css, none works.
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• 925[09:35:43] <Lirion> a quick googling produced this: replaced-url
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• 927[09:36:16] <Lirion> maybe this helps. I don't use graphical candy login daemons at all :) if this doesn't help, try using pastebin to display your changes, and also state which debian version you are using
• 928[09:37:00] <Ticho_> how dare you change anything about how a component of Gnome looks! gnome app developers do not want you to do it: replaced-url
• 929[09:37:09] <SPiRiT__> Hi Lirion. I tried all that I found in Google. Nothing worked. I even found a script that modifies resource theme file which doesnt work because no 'glib-compile-resource' exists.
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• 932[09:38:21] <SPiRiT__> The grey noise background of gdm is aweful!!
• 933[09:38:37] <SPiRiT__> Nothing like a good background to welcome you on reboot xD
• 934[09:38:42] <Lirion> ticho_: hm... it'd be weird if people couldn't change the background, this is not exactly like theming the windows etc. still, funny read :)
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• 938[09:39:17] <Ticho_> Lirion: sad funny, not cheery funny, though :/
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• 941[09:39:57] <Lirion> I'm not using gnome (or hells beware, kde), so I'm not soooo sad :D
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• 945[09:41:25] <SPiRiT__> I wanna move switch Cinnamon to GNOME. If that means that this grey hellish background will welcome me - I am staying with Cinnamon! :}
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• 950[09:44:08] <Lirion> well, here's to being not entirely unhelpful: you could wipe gnome off after trying all that stuff (means: apt --purge blah) and reinstall fresh and clean, and see whether an approach dealing only with /etc and dpkg-reconfigure similar to the above works. another idea is watching the output of gdm3 when it starts, if it doesn't write a log or not that much, spawn it manually and see then whether it complains
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• 952[09:45:01] <Lirion> and I would refrain from running random $scripts[] and tinkering with things starting with /usr when a more flexible approach like config files does the trick. in theory. that is, if it's possiible with gdm3.
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• 955[09:45:54] <SPiRiT__> Sure Lirion, but I wanted to find a way to do that :/
• 956[09:46:16] <SPiRiT__> It is very strange for me that I am the only person disliking the grey background so much.
• 957[09:46:42] <friendlyGoat> hello i need help with something i didnt expect to need help with again for a while. my power went out for a few hours for some reason, now im having resolving problems again. when i try to use sudo apt-get update i get "could not resolve host" as a response.
• 958[09:46:57] <Habbie> friendlyGoat, do other programs that use the internet work?
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• 960[09:47:13] <friendlyGoat> nope.
• 961[09:47:33] <friendlyGoat> the other devices on my network are doing fine but my debian homeserver isnt working
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• 964[09:49:26] <diogenes_> friendlyGoat, tried: systemctl restart NetworkManager
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• 966[09:50:20] <friendlyGoat> Failed to restart NetworkManager.service: Unit NetworkManager.service not found.
• 967[09:50:29] <friendlyGoat> should i try Networking.Service instead?
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• 969[09:50:41] <Lirion> without capital letters, yes
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• 972[09:51:01] <diogenes_> friendlyGoat, what debian version and DE?
• 973[09:51:19] <friendlyGoat> Debian 9, there isnt a DE. its all text.
• 974[09:51:26] <friendlyGoat> so just barebone Debian 9
• 975[09:51:28] <jezebel> "ip link" to see if you have a network link :)
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• 977[09:51:34] <Lirion> it's a TE then :}
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• 979[09:51:51] <jezebel> is the network interface up or down?
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• 981[09:52:12] <friendlyGoat> one sec i gotta restart it, restarting networking.service made it so i cant ssh into it
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• 983[09:52:41] <ayekat> wait, you were logged in via SSH?
• 984[09:53:13] <friendlyGoat> i can ssh into it weirdly but it cannot connect to the rest of the internet
• 985[09:53:21] <diogenes_> friendlyGoat, head /etc/resolv.conf and ls -l /etc/resolv.conf
• 986[09:53:30] <friendlyGoat> alright one second
• 987[09:54:33] <SPiRiT__> friendlyGoat check /etc/resolv.conf maybe DNS servers are not configured well? Had that problem before that resolvconf kept updating wrong dns servers
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• 1007[10:07:46] <friendlyGoat> got around to it, heres my paste
• 1008[10:07:46] <friendlyGoat> replaced-url
• 1009[10:08:11] <Pymous> Ok, so I'm fixing my issue little by little, but now, I can't get to store a default playback device and a different capture device (from two different "cards", one being the HDMI output (playback), and the other a webcam (the capture device))
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• 1011[10:08:32] <Pymous> I'm using .asoundrc with a little conf, but it's not using those settings
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• 1013[10:10:57] <diogenes_> friendlyGoat, i'd suggest to do a: sudo rm /etc/resolv.conf then: sudo nano /etc/resolv.conf and add: nameserver 8.8.8.8 and below: nameserver 8.8.4.4
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• 1016[10:13:55] <friendlyGoat> i'll try it out.
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• 1028[10:30:24] <jezebel> (that wont survive another reboot, networkmanager or whatever is causing resolvconf to update your resolv.conf needs to be checked)
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• 1030[10:31:28] <friendlyGoat> fixed it, thanks!
• 1031[10:31:52] <friendlyGoat> im gonna test something real quick
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• 1045[10:39:10] <friendlyGoat> it withstood a reboot, thanks for helping me fix it!
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• 1069[11:00:36] <deepy> I upgraded to buster and now I'm unable to ssh with encrypted keys, I'm just being told 'error in libcrypto' with no clarifications
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• 1084[11:04:46] <ratrace> deepy: put the ssh service in verbose logging mode, and use -v on the client side, to inspect in detail
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• 1086[11:05:45] <deepy> Well, I can't reach the server, but on the client I'm getting "error in libcrypto" at Load key
• 1087[11:06:07] <deepy> More Vs make no difference, it's just Load key foo error in libcrypto
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• 1089[11:06:19] <ratrace> deepy: so it's the client side issue?
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• 1091[11:06:48] <deepy> yes
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• 1094[11:07:10] <ratrace> deepy: and it's the client that you upgraded to buster? no changes on the server?
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• 1097[11:07:38] <Habbie> what does 'ssh-keygen -l -f ~/.ssh/id_rsa' say? (adjust to the path for your actual key)
• 1098[11:07:48] <Habbie> specifically, the first number on the row
• 1099[11:08:37] <deepy> client upgraded to buster, same key works for a coworker, ssh-keygen says it's not a key file
• 1100[11:08:52] <deepy> oh shit, I've nuked the file somehow
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• 1102[11:09:01] <Habbie> ah
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• 1104[11:09:25] <deepy> ok, same issue with the real key
• 1105[11:09:29] <Habbie> uh
• 1106[11:09:35] <Habbie> that sounds somewhat unlikely
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• 1109[11:11:12] <deepy> If I run ssh-keygen with -v it says error in libcrypto
• 1110[11:12:25] <ratrace> are you sure you've completed the upgrade process? there aren't any lingering older versions, broken lib links?
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• 1112[11:12:48] <ratrace> in other words, dist-upgrade has nothing more to do? no packages left uninstalled? autoremove has nothing to clean out?
• 1113[11:13:05] <deepy> dist-upgrade says 0, 0, 0
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• 1115[11:14:57] <ratrace> deepy: can you pastebin: apt-cache policy openssh-client ; apt-cache depends openssh-client ; apt-cache policy <libssl version listed in Depends>
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• 1117[11:15:59] <deepy> Issue found, and it's super-silly, it was sent as text and the linebreak after DEK-Info was stripped in the process
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• 1119[11:17:04] <deepy> But thank you both for the help :-)
• 1120[11:17:16] <ratrace> what was sent as text?
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• 1129[11:20:17] <humpled> :þ
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• 1144[11:24:08] <deepy> the actual key
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• 1150[11:24:33] <humpled> is this part of your job?
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• 1156[11:24:59] <deepy> the format is ---- BEGIN RSA PRIVATE KEY ----\nProc-Type: 4,ENCRYPTED\nDEK-Info...\n\nactual key
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• 1175[11:31:19] <deepy> It's a part of my job in the sense that I'm doing it at work yeah
• 1176[11:32:21] <Habbie> deepy, ah!
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• 1288[12:44:19] <SPiRiT__> Anybody knows which package I need to install to get the glib-compile-resources command?
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• 1292[12:45:13] <themill> ,file bin/glib-compile-resources
• 1293[12:45:18] <judd> Search for bin/glib-compile-resources in buster/amd64: libglib2.0-dev-bin: usr/bin/glib-compile-resources
• 1294[12:45:42] <sweb> i use mdstat as python package for collect status of softwar raid. which parameters is tell me the problem is accured ? replaced-url
• 1295[12:46:26] <jim> SPiRiT__, hint: you can also /msg judd these queries
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• 1297[12:46:50] <SPiRiT__> judd i can't find this package using apt search :/
• 1298[12:46:51] <judd> No package named 'can't' was found in buster/amd64.
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• 1301[12:48:03] <jim> let's see... what os are you running right now?
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• 1303[12:48:25] <themill> SPiRiT__: which release of Debian is this?
• 1304[12:49:03] <SPiRiT__> Sorry, I was wrong :) libglib2.0 provided it :) Too bad it's a huge package. Thanks guys :)
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• 1306[12:49:18] <SPiRiT__> All of this shi* just to modify gdm3 background image!
• 1307[12:49:31] <themill> (there is no libglib2.0 package)
• 1308[12:50:05] <SPiRiT__> Yes there is, I've just installed it on Debian 10
• 1309[12:50:11] <themill> ,v libglib2.0
• 1310[12:50:13] <judd> No package named 'libglib2.0' was found in amd64.
• 1311[12:50:18] <Habbie> libglib2.0-dev-bin: /usr/bin/glib-compile-resources
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• 1315[12:52:09] <jim> SPiRiT__, could you show us your /etc/apt/sources.list? you can do that this way: in a shell, run: cat /etc/apt/sources.list | nc termbin.com 9999
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• 1319[12:53:25] <jim> (if nc is not installed, you can run (as root): apt install netcat)
• 1320[12:53:57] <Habbie> somebody pointed out to me recently that 'apt-cache policy' might be more useful than that, as it picks up all sources, not just the ones in sources.list
• 1321[12:53:58] <stevenm> hey if you want to mirror an APT repo that only allows http access but does have indexes turned on (so you can see *every* file) - what'd be the best way? I thought about reprepro but you have to target a specific dist with that, when I want *all* files
• 1322[12:54:21] <stevenm> I also thought about just using plain old wget - but that'd get difficult when I want to update the mirror - would have to download everything again
• 1323[12:54:27] <Habbie> stevenm, if indexes are on, maybe it's not an APT question but a HTTP question, in which case there's a lot to choose from
• 1324[12:54:33] <SPiRiT__> jim I use Israek server (replaced-url
• 1325[12:54:37] <Habbie> why should that mean downloading everything again? wget -m is pretty smart
• 1326[12:54:44] <stevenm> Habbie, see above what I said about wget ^
• 1327[12:54:56] <Habbie> yes i see it but i don't think i agree
• 1328[12:55:01] <stevenm> Habbie, right but that's not going to be able to detect changes to Packages or Release files is it?
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• 1330[12:55:08] <jim> SPiRiT__, could you show the file?
• 1331[12:55:14] <Habbie> stevenm, it would detect changes in everything
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• 1333[12:55:31] <stevenm> Habbie, plus with --mirror I'm finding it still downloads all those horrid index files and other weird files that don't exist
• 1334[12:55:41] <Habbie> right
• 1335[12:55:44] <SPiRiT__> sure but why? do u think i have any problem with it?
• 1336[12:55:58] <Habbie> so do you need a mirror? or do you need fast access? because a caching proxy could give you the latter without the troubles you have with wget
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• 1338[12:56:11] <stevenm> I want a mirror as I fear the original will go offline
• 1339[12:56:14] <stevenm> it's not a speed thing
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• 1342[12:56:22] <Habbie> ah
• 1343[12:57:10] <jim> it's actually a very minimal amount of info... it's a good chance we need all the info listed by /msg dpkg bat
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• 1347[12:58:12] <SPiRiT__> oh but it's ok jim i successfully installed the package that judd wrote
• 1348[12:58:24] <jim> but at least if we can see the file is ok, we can rule that out as the problem
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• 1350[12:58:38] <SPiRiT__> how can i send it without the nc command?
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• 1352[12:59:52] <jim> in that case you'd run the command, it would output to your terminal, you'd then copy it, and then paste it into a pastebin site as viewed on a web browser
• 1353[12:59:59] <SPiRiT__> jim, I ran the command. replaced-url
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• 1359[13:01:26] <jim> SPiRiT__, ok, it looks like the original unmodified sources.list you got when you installed it from a netinstall image
• 1360[13:01:54] <jim> * when you installed debian from a netinstall, that is
• 1361[13:01:59] <SPiRiT__> Yes I used added contrib and non-free. I am new in Debian. Will be happy to get tips :)
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• 1363[13:02:09] <SPiRiT__> *I just
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• 1365[13:02:47] <jim> welcome... running pretty well?
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• 1368[13:03:44] <SPiRiT__> Currently on vm and on separate partitions for playing :) Been using Archlinux for one year, but I am afraid to do system update because too many things get buggy after that.
• 1369[13:04:05] <SPiRiT__> So Debian for now looks good, I just want to customize GDM3 because I hate that grey background :))
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• 1371[13:04:26] <jim> well everything usually changes after you do that, at least a little
• 1372[13:04:32] <SPiRiT__> Once I figure out how to customize it I might move to it
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• 1377[13:06:00] <jim> what do you want to customize about it?
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• 1380[13:08:32] <SPiRiT__> I don't like the dark grey background on the login screen. Sorry if that sounds silly, but I really care about look. All answers on Google do not work for me.
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• 1382[13:08:51] <themill> SPiRiT__: replaced-url
• 1383[13:08:53] <SPiRiT__> Only one thing left for me to try is to modify gdm3 resource file, that's why I asked for glib-compile-resources :)
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• 1386[13:09:11] <SPiRiT__> themill - it didn't work for me. Not on vm and not on my physical machine.
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• 1400[13:15:00] <humpled> it's easy on lightdm :þ
• 1401[13:15:25] <SPiRiT__> Yes, SUPER EASY :) I tried to switch to it, but then GNOME does not let me lock the screen...
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• 1404[13:15:48] <humpled> lock the screen?
• 1405[13:16:24] <SPiRiT__> Yes, if I use GNOME with lightdm the Lock icon disappears, and I can't press Super+L to lock the computer. When I switch to gdm it works fine.
• 1406[13:16:33] <SPiRiT__> Frustrating :/
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• 1409[13:17:24] <humpled> odd
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• 1411[13:18:30] <SPiRiT__> Yes it is! I really hate these little buggy things.
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• 1415[13:19:37] <diogenes_> SPiRiT__, that's probably because you need light-locker.
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• 1419[13:21:17] <SPiRiT__> I didn't know that diogenes... will look for it, thank you. I'm trying to set GNOME+GDM on Archlinux to see if on this os the background can be customized.
• 1420[13:21:26] <SPiRiT__> After that will look for light-locker :)
• 1421[13:22:59] <humpled> VMs are a bit too meta for me, is it really useful to have a login screen and a screen locker on a vm?
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• 1423[13:23:52] <SPiRiT__> humpled, I want to move to Debian on my physical machine, but I use Archlinux righ now. I am just playing with it on vm before switching to it.
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• 1429[13:24:23] <humpled> oh
• 1430[13:25:29] <diogenes_> SPiRiT__, you cn even play with it directly in your browser, no additional thing needed, no VMs etc. replaced-url
• 1431[13:26:11] <SPiRiT__> diogenes, I also installed Debian on different partition on my pc, but since I got problems with customizing gdm - I turned to vm till I understand how to do that
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• 1434[13:27:38] <SPiRiT__> diogenes I chose Debian 10 but how can I connect to it? I see nothing
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• 1437[13:28:06] <diogenes_> SPiRiT__, click on start and wait 1 minute.
• 1438[13:29:06] <humpled> looks like gnome decided that given their requirements, of protecting the session with similar authentication, and allowing change of user or environment, they might as well drop back to gdm
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• 1449[13:33:57] <SPiRiT__> humpled this website is really cool :) Works very slow but nice
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• 1451[13:34:38] <diogenes_> sometimes it's even faster. depending on the traffic.
• 1452[13:35:04] <humpled> yes but why
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• 1463[13:41:38] <SPiRiT__> btw, if useful for someone, I've just saw on Archlinux help that since GNOME 3.16 - the shell themes are stored in binary files, so it's not possible to change gdm background with config file. replaced-url
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• 1475[13:50:00] <jim> SPiRiT__, is there an advantage to that?
• 1476[13:50:46] <SPiRiT__> I have no idea :/ I don't like things I can't reconfigure.
• 1477[13:51:56] <diogenes_> SPiRiT__, with gnome, be prepared for that :)
• 1478[13:52:31] <diogenes_> as for now, there is even a thing that you can install a gnome extension and get your system hacked.
• 1479[13:53:07] <SPiRiT__> I currently use Cinnamon Desktop and I really love it. I wanted to experience GNOME, but I find things that I don't like, such as this gdm and lock-screen issues... Reconsidering staying with the Cinnamon :)
• 1480[13:53:15] <SPiRiT__> What DE do you use guys? :)
• 1481[13:53:19] <Habbie> gnome
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• 1483[13:53:43] <SPiRiT__> :)
• 1484[13:53:52] <diogenes_> xfce4 of course :)
• 1485[13:53:56] <dvs> mate, for you
• 1486[13:54:08] <VadPerevad> dwm
• 1487[13:54:25] <SPiRiT__> wow :)
• 1488[13:54:27] <jim> well I went with kde, sometimes switching over to i3wm
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• 1491[13:55:45] <andhoy> awesomewm + urxvt ftw, Only a window manager though. Been my favorite setup for 10 years I think.
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• 1494[13:56:07] <saptech> Openbox
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• 1497[13:58:26] <SPiRiT__> Been using linux for only one year now, I was looking for a friendly interface :) I tried openbox, mate, xfce and others... but found them all 'old looking' except gnome/kde/cinnamon
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• 1502[13:59:38] <SPiRiT__> Deepin is SO nice, but I am afraid of using it ;)
• 1503[13:59:47] <EoflaOE> SPiRiT__: What about Budgie?
• 1504[14:00:06] <SPiRiT__> Oh right EoflaOE... Budgie is also really nice! But I wish it had more customization options
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• 1511[14:05:13] <Brawcks_> Hello there
• 1512[14:05:35] <SPiRiT__> Hey Brawcks_ :)
• 1513[14:05:39] <klys> hello
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• 1515[14:06:07] <Brawcks_> I'm facing an issue actually, in hope you could may help me
• 1516[14:06:29] <Brawcks_> When i try to install some packages on debian 10, it asks me to confirm a package remove :
• 1517[14:06:32] <Brawcks_> WARNING: The following essential packages will be removed.
• 1518[14:06:34] <Brawcks_> This should NOT be done unless you know exactly what you are doing!
• 1519[14:06:37] <Brawcks_> ncurses-base
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• 1522[14:06:49] <klys> yeah you can remove that
• 1523[14:06:51] <Brawcks_> I never faced it before, and i'm a bit scared of doing this
• 1524[14:07:03] <Brawcks_> What is this package related to ?
• 1525[14:07:08] <Brawcks_> Ok, there is no risks ?
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• 1527[14:07:31] <dvs> It's for those text configuration screens
• 1528[14:07:41] <klys> it's related to libncurses5, which handles some apps that draw in text-mode on the TTY.
• 1529[14:07:56] <Brawcks_> Oh ok, nothing really important so
• 1530[14:08:25] <Brawcks_> Well, got my answer, thanks for the answer speed :-)
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• 1533[14:10:31] <klys> that particular package... it has helps for using screen for example with TERM=linux
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• 1537[14:11:08] <Brawcks_> Ok i see
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• 1605[14:38:53] <__adan> i want to ask a question to you guys, what if i upgrade linux kernel and debian system and kvm software, but i have never try the kvm's image file,,, why all my linux kvm image is crashed but windows kvm image is good ? why ??
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• 1610[14:42:36] <jim> __adan, what if you use the original kernel?
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• 1615[14:46:05] <__adan> jim: i'm not professional for system Virtualization,,, but i want to install CUDA,,, just a little try, and then i mess up, then i have to upgrade my system and kernel,,, debian9 -> debian10... and yet,,, i found all my test image in kvm,,,all crashed...............what a day
• 1616[14:46:33] * ratrace tries to parse the original question; fails...
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• 1621[14:52:01] <jim> are you installing anything from sources outside debian?
• 1622[14:52:46] <__adan> ratrace: yeah you are right,,, for that, for parse the original question,,, i'll keeping use kvm,,, i was a vbox fans, but,,, i following people to use kvm,,, i like vbox the way it easy
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• 1624[14:52:58] <__adan> jim: no jim, no ,,, wait
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• 1626[14:53:19] <ayekat> __adan: your keyboard keeps sending multiple commas and periods for some reason…
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• 1628[14:53:21] <jim> then something is really weird
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• 1633[14:55:00] <__adan> jim: i was upgrade my system this way in this afternoon: 1: apt list --upgradable ... 2: apt upgrade 3: apt dist-upgrade
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• 1637[14:55:24] <__adan> jim: i think,,, everything will all upgrade
• 1638[14:55:28] <Sia-> Hi, should i disable security repos in testing? replaced-url
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• 1640[14:55:55] <jim> testing, you mean bullseye?
• 1641[14:56:01] <Sia-> yes
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• 1644[14:56:41] <jim> I'm not sure if testing gets security upgrades or not
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• 1647[14:57:13] <Sia-> jim, created by netinstaller, that mean it should
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• 1651[14:58:33] <ratrace> no security repo for testing
• 1652[14:59:01] <jim> if you leave it enabled, but no security upgrades come, probably no harm done...
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• 1656[14:59:55] <jim> if you disable it by commenting it out, you can uncomment it later
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• 1658[15:00:41] <Sia-> ratrace, then i get this messages each time replaced-url
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• 1661[15:01:27] <Sia-> and source.list is replaced-url
• 1662[15:01:32] <__adan> ayekat: sorry, i'm a rookie, forgive me, i'll be quiet and watch now, back to learn posix system programming with c
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• 1667[15:02:46] <ratrace> Sia-: yes, like i said, no security repo for testing ; right now testing is codenamed bullseye
• 1668[15:02:48] <andi_> hello anybody ever heard of a tool called clearcase from rational? i can't seem to find a install instruction for cleartools anybody got some reference?
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• 1671[15:03:38] <jim> __adan, you should also consider learning a non-shell scripting language (perl, python, lua, more)
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• 1681[15:09:18] <__adan> jim: i dont know, i know how to use lua, i was working in a games company for ten months,,, but i quit,,, and then i learn posix c,,, it's hard, but now,,, i know a lot stuff,,, like SMP concept, Multi processing program, and a little socket basic,,, and linux ,,, and i used debian system for two years,
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• 1685[15:10:52] <__adan> jim: i can also write some shell program, i think it's okay for me,,, tarball right ?
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• 1689[15:11:54] <jim> you might like things in the non-snell scripting lauguage, should you choose to go that way
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• 1693[15:13:46] <jim> anyway, good luck... I need to head out
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• 1695[15:14:23] <__adan> jim: thanks jim, thank you today
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• 1796[16:23:23] <greycat> !not available
• 1797[16:23:23] <dpkg> To get a list of packages you have installed now, that are not available from any repository in your sources.list: aptitude search '?narrow(?not(?archive("^[^n][^o].*$")),?version(CURRENT))'
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• 1806[16:32:34] <pagetelegram> I had been in touch with the lead engineer of BlackBerry Messenger Enterprise on BBMe lately and he has tested the windows version of BBMe on linux through Wine...when I install wine and then try to install the setup executable it just loads a file manager. fyi...BB is beta testing a linux BBMe though they unsure whether it should be released.
• 1807[16:32:46] * themill wonders if «apt list --installed | awk '/\[.*local.*\]/ {print}'» is a good enough replacement for that
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• 1809[16:34:58] <pagetelegram> Wondering if I have to do anymore than just apt--get install both 64 and 32bits of wine
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• 1863[17:01:57] <shiftlockboom> Can anyone tell me how to encrypt /boot with luks1 after installing debian?
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• 1867[17:03:13] <m712> hey, i installed debian 10 on my usb to have a portable linux to go, but i plugged it into a computer (lenovo y50-70) and it's not recognized as an EFI usb device for some reason, doesn't show up in the menu. i made sure that the partition table is gpt, and i have a biosgrub and an esp partition. if i chroot using a live usb and grub-install then a debian option shows up in the boot manager of the laptop but
• 1868[17:03:16] <m712> still no EFI USB Device. the live usb will show up though. why do you think this could be?
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• 1872[17:04:16] <m712> another usb with ubuntu installed on it will show up as an EFI USB Device
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• 1890[17:10:40] <astronavt> shiftlockboom replaced-url
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• 1892[17:11:30] <Raylier> Hello people, is there any non trivial way of installing i3-gaps on Debian
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• 1896[17:12:26] <shiftlockboom> thanks astro
• 1897[17:12:44] <astronavt> Raylier it's mentioned in the wiki, someone published a script that builds a .deb from the source code
• 1898[17:12:44] <astronavt> replaced-url
• 1899[17:12:53] <astronavt> replaced-url
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• 1916[17:18:28] <shiftlockboom> When I do this: tar -C /boot --acls --xattrs -cf /tmp/boot.tar .... I get an error about being a Coward
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• 1921[17:19:05] <Habbie> shiftlockboom, what's the error?
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• 1924[17:19:27] <shiftlockboom> tar: Cowardly refusing to create an empty archive
• 1925[17:19:59] <Raylier> astronavt, Hey so I am already running i3, will it make uninstall regular i3
• 1926[17:20:00] <greycat> where's the rest of the command?
• 1927[17:20:06] <Raylier> Or will I need to do something else
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• 1931[17:20:52] <Habbie> shiftlockboom, tar is the coward there
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• 1934[17:21:04] <shiftlockboom> ok
• 1935[17:21:05] <Habbie> shiftlockboom, is there anything in /boot ?
• 1936[17:21:23] <shiftlockboom> Yeah
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• 1958[17:24:19] <Habbie> shiftlockboom, can you try /boot/ instead of /boot ?
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• 1960[17:24:37] <shiftlockboom> Smae
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• 1962[17:24:40] <shiftlockboom> Same
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• 1968[17:26:30] <alkisg> m712: some uefi firmwares don't like gpt on sticks; use vfat like live usb sticks + ext4
• 1969[17:26:45] <alkisg> m712: this then boots both under uefi AND under bios etc
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• 1971[17:27:06] <alkisg> mbr, vfat, ext4
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• 1986[17:33:05] <Habbie> shiftlockboom, i'm out of ideas, sorry
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• 1989[17:33:14] <shiftlockboom> no worrie
• 1990[17:33:18] <shiftlockboom> haha
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• 2008[17:42:09] <coruja> shiftlockboom, tar -C /boot --acls --xattrs -cf /tmp/boot.tar /boot/
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• 2011[17:42:28] <smsimeon> someone with quick hints to why I might be getting a openvpn tls error
• 2012[17:42:29] <smsimeon> TLS Error: incoming packet authentication failed from
• 2013[17:42:41] <smsimeon> HMAC key is fine on both sides
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• 2016[17:43:09] <Raylier> Hey thanks for the tip. I'm now able to use i3-gaps on debian!
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• 2018[17:43:36] <Raylier> I still haven't figured out transparency but In time
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• 2028[17:50:12] <shiftlockboom> thsnkd caruja
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• 2034[17:56:03] <shiftlockboom> if cryptsetup command not found, what am i missing?
• 2035[17:57:24] <greycat> ,file bin/cryptsetup
• 2036[17:57:29] <judd> Search for bin/cryptsetup in buster/amd64: cryptsetup-bin: sbin/cryptsetup
• 2037[17:57:32] <diogenes_> shiftlockboom, replaced-url
• 2038[17:57:41] <greycat> either that pkg isn't installed, or /sbin isn't in your $PATH
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• 2041[18:02:08] <shiftlockboom> I have it installed. What is '?sbin?
• 2042[18:04:36] <annadane> /sbin Like /bin, this directory holds commands needed to boot the system, but which are usually not executed by normal users.
• 2043[18:04:40] <annadane> from "man hier"
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• 2045[18:05:26] <Bushmills> smsimeon: do you have option float enabled on server?
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• 2047[18:05:46] <teclo-> afternoon, ntpdate fails to set the time, with any server I choose
• 2048[18:05:51] <smsimeon> Bushmills: No?
• 2049[18:05:56] <teclo-> maybe is my ntpdate out of date...
• 2050[18:06:09] <Bushmills> that could be a reason.
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• 2052[18:06:29] <shiftlockboom> err.... how can i 'cryptsetup luksFormat --type luks1 /dev/sda1'?
• 2053[18:06:30] <Bushmills> at least in a case that your client ip address has changed
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• 2055[18:07:16] <teclo-> dpkg says it's ntpdate 1:4.2.6.p5+dfsg-7+deb8u2
• 2056[18:07:17] <dpkg> teclo-: I wish you would RTFM.
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• 2058[18:07:30] <smsimeon> I doubt it
• 2059[18:07:38] <smsimeon> server is on a static IP and so is the client
• 2060[18:07:56] <smsimeon> it seems that its a tls-auth error from what I'm seeing in the logs
• 2061[18:08:04] <smsimeon> Mon Jul 29 16:05:31 2019 Authenticate/Decrypt packet error: packet HMAC authentication failed
• 2062[18:08:04] <smsimeon> Mon Jul 29 16:05:31 2019 TLS Error: incoming packet authentication failed
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• 2088[18:22:46] <shiftlockboom> Got to enbling cryptomount in Grub2
• 2089[18:23:01] <shiftlockboom> update-grub does not work
• 2090[18:24:08] <aleph-> Question, so I'm installing and planning to run unattended-upgrades, however I see that there's an apt-daily cron that runs it every day. Where as I'd like to only run it on a specific day and time. What's the easiest way for me to disable or override running unnattended-upgrades every day?
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• 2095[18:27:31] <ratrace> zfsutils-linux stopped being installable on buster ; eh one more nail in the zfs on linux coffin
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• 2100[18:29:49] <teclo-> ratrace: ah ?
• 2101[18:30:06] <teclo-> I thought ZFS could be installed on Debian....
• 2102[18:30:08] <GNU\colossus> friggin' Oracle, just GPL that piece of code already!
• 2103[18:30:18] <GNU\colossus> oh, and please also die while you are at it!
• 2104[18:30:19] <ratrace> teclo-: it was, it used to be, something broke today
• 2105[18:30:28] <teclo-> ratrace: ouch
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• 2108[18:30:58] <teclo-> well Oracle really is a bunch of bastards, they turned Solaris into an abandonware :(
• 2109[18:31:27] <ratrace> it's actually fixable, but broke established automation that worked for months ; spl-dkms breaks and you just have to repeat in order, spl-dkms, zfs-dkms, zfsutils-linux, modprobe zfs (because the package fails at it), install zfsutils-linux again
• 2110[18:31:35] <ratrace> teclo-: oracle has nothing to do with this
• 2111[18:31:53] <ratrace> this is openzfs, it can proclaim full GPL on its own (with the blessing of all the devs), regardless of oracle
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• 2113[18:32:07] <ratrace> devs don't want it, so..
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• 2117[18:33:17] <winny> replaced-url
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• 2119[18:33:55] <ratrace> right... "no single entity..." that's the problem, all the devs would have to come together and approve, which is colossal task
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• 2121[18:34:16] <teclo-> ratrace: yes indeed, for ZFS, it's OpenZFS
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• 2123[18:34:30] <ratrace> but... it's not oracle's call, that's the point, except maybe in patents, which they could try to use against openzfs should it go gpl or whatever
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• 2125[18:34:56] <Habbie> cddl is not patent-immune either i trust
• 2126[18:35:35] <ratrace> it's not, but oracle doesn't seem to care for now ; red hat disavowed zfs (and btrfs) so oracle has no interest to use zfs against RH
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• 2128[18:35:52] <ratrace> (primarily, it can't)
• 2129[18:36:06] <Habbie> yes, makes sense
• 2130[18:36:19] <Habbie> i don't think i'd want to be running anything subject to oracle patents if i can help it though
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• 2134[18:38:59] <ratrace> Habbie: then stop using linux :) oracle owns patents for some code used in linux, that's why they joined OIN
• 2135[18:39:13] <Habbie> no stop
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• 2137[18:39:17] <Habbie> i want to qualify my statement
• 2138[18:39:21] <Habbie> *runs away*
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• 2140[18:40:00] <ratrace> Habbie: they can't enforce them without committing suicide, though
• 2141[18:40:23] <Habbie> ack
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• 2148[18:44:46] <winny> oracle ships a linux distro, it wouldn't be in their interest to try to enforce patents on a project they depend on getting upstream changes from
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• 2152[18:46:24] <ratrace> precisely, and i'm sure some database relevant patents are not all theirs either
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• 2165[18:55:34] <shiftlockboom> ToT
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• 2194[19:06:39] <daemon> hey all I am on replaced-url
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• 2196[19:06:46] <daemon> looking for the mipsel version of tor for wheezy
• 2197[19:07:04] <daemon> maybe I am missing how this works but am I in the wrong directory?
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• 2201[19:08:34] <alkisg> daemon: replaced-url
• 2202[19:08:41] <alkisg> Or just use apt
• 2203[19:08:51] <daemon> ta
• 2204[19:09:02] <alkisg> The directory you said, has the links to the appropriate versions
• 2205[19:09:11] <alkisg> But the packages themselves, are in that second dir
• 2206[19:09:27] <greycat> !wheezy sources.list
• 2207[19:09:27] <dpkg> Debian 7 "wheezy" is archived. A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for wheezy has one line: «deb replaced-url
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• 2209[19:11:58] <alkisg> Running `apt-get dist-upgrade` after a year in wheezy, and getting no updates, gives a good feeling though :P
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• 2215[19:15:28] <greycat> The bad news will come when you eventually realize that this is *not* a good thing, because there could be untold numbers of unfixed security bugs.
• 2216[19:15:34] <daemon> looks like will have to build tor manually
• 2217[19:15:36] <daemon> damn was hoping not to
• 2218[19:16:25] <alkisg> Security bugs are only an issue when the system is connected to the internet or uses usb sticks though
• 2219[19:16:34] <alkisg> Fortunately all my old VMs don't :)
• 2220[19:16:41] <daemon> this is an embedded router
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• 2229[19:23:13] <m712> so i have a ubuntu grub bootloader "stuck" on this computer's main hard drive
• 2230[19:23:25] <m712> efibootmgr will remove it but on next boot it will come back
• 2231[19:23:39] <m712> i can use that to chainload the grub on my usb drive (grub can see it)
• 2232[19:24:10] <m712> so i can currently boot my usb from this machine although it's by coincidence
• 2233[19:24:20] <m712> i couldn't see if anyone replied to my question
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• 2236[19:26:28] <joepublic> m712, I see a series of statements but did not see a question, my apologies.
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• 2238[19:26:39] <SerajewelKS> joepublic: his question was earlier in the channel
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• 2240[19:27:07] <SerajewelKS> joepublic: tl;dr is debian 10 on an external USB HDD with GPT and ESP but it doesn't show as an EFI boot target
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• 2243[19:27:48] <SerajewelKS> while other suitable external USB devices do show as EFI boot targets
• 2244[19:28:05] <m712> yes that is true
• 2245[19:28:13] <joepublic> Thanks. I withdraw my interference as I usually use the "mess with it and see" approach to such things, which is unhelpful in solving specific situations, I realize
• 2246[19:28:23] <m712> i can chainload it using grub but bios (that i just updated) won't see it
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• 2248[19:29:30] <m712> both the usb i used before this one (this is a newly bought usb) and the current usb share the same name "SanDisk"... i wonder if a bug in the uefi bios is causing it to not recognize the newer one because they share the same name?
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• 2250[19:30:45] <m712> SanDisk Ultra 16GB with Ubuntu - works, Kingston DataTraveler G3 with Debian netinstaller - works, SanDisk Cruzer Glide 3.0 with debian - doesn't work
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• 2252[19:31:26] <m712> legacy mode will show the USB but will not boot it since it only has a GPT partition table
• 2253[19:31:49] <^CaptainFantasti> mpv replaced-url
• 2254[19:31:52] <m712> i even tried comparing the info gdisk provides between the working SanDisk Ultra and the non-working Cruzer Glide and they seem identical in every aspect
• 2255[19:31:57] <m712> haha this is not the terminal :)
• 2256[19:32:04] <^CaptainFantasti> sheet
• 2257[19:32:12] <^CaptainFantasti> thanks
• 2258[19:32:27] <^CaptainFantasti> Hello everybody
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• 2268[19:35:20] <m712> i found a workaround for now as i mentioned before - enter the residue grub bootloader on the main harddrive, do "chainload (hd0,gpt3)/efi/debian/grubx64.efi" then "boot" - but that is clumsy and annoying to do on every boot :(
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• 2270[19:35:44] <m712> so if anyone has any info/experience on this i would love them to share it
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• 2276[19:36:19] <joepublic> you could put that in /etc/grub.d/40_custom so you wouldn't have to enter it every time
• 2277[19:36:38] <m712> but then i'd have to install grub to the main harddrive no?
• 2278[19:36:43] <m712> i'm trying to avoid that
• 2279[19:36:49] <HeXiLeD> so.... I need to regen, some init scripts. in this case, cups init script. reinstall does not seem to take care of it. suggestions ?
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• 2290[19:43:39] <DammitJim> where can I download the latest stretch iso?
• 2291[19:43:52] <greycat> !archive
• 2292[19:43:52] <dpkg> well, archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Debian Archives is the repository for old Debian releases, see replaced-url
• 2293[19:44:23] <alkisg> (06:26:30 PM) alkisg: m712: some uefi firmwares don't like gpt on sticks; use mbr and vfat like live usb sticks + ext4
• 2294[19:44:23] <alkisg> (06:26:45 PM) alkisg: m712: this then boots both under uefi AND under bios etc
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• 2297[19:45:17] <jhutchins_wk> HeXiLeD: Perhaps cups is only doing systemd now.
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• 2358[20:23:01] <karlpinc> !firmware images
• 2359[20:23:01] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages are available from replaced-url
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• 2362[20:26:22] <AlpacaFace> hhey guys. been trying to find support for Realtek Semiconductor Corp. RTL8814AU. the firmware-realtek doesnt help. Am i stuck looking to github, or is there other mainline support? Maybe backports?
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• 2366[20:29:37] * alkisg knows about 8812au, not 8814au, and suspects github is needed...
• 2367[20:30:22] <BCMM> AlpacaFace: it looks like people really do just use this replaced-url
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• 2371[20:32:11] <AlpacaFace> yes thanks for the replies. I have had success with the zebulon driver, but the monitor mode does not work well there. Was crossing my fingers for debian homebrew. :( ok thanks much
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• 2373[20:34:06] <alkisg> AlpacaFace: I think you'll also need to disable the mac randomization, if you're using network manager
• 2374[20:34:22] <alkisg> Dunno if they cover that in the github how-to
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• 2377[20:37:20] <AlpacaFace> alkisg : have tried it with a variety of configs, cant get it working well. Used wpa_supp, wicd, netctl, net_manag.. Managed mode is perfect, but monitor is very very weak. And cant get around the 18 tx cap
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• 2379[20:37:35] <AlpacaFace> thanks much for the help
• 2380[20:37:46] <alkisg> AlpacaFace: in general those 88x* chipsets are lame under linux :/
• 2381[20:38:00] <alkisg> Their windows drivers manage to get much better signals etc
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• 2383[20:39:34] <AlpacaFace> noted.. lesson learned, dont impulse buy :) . off to work, thanks again ppl
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• 2392[20:46:17] <swift110> good Alpha3031
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• 2399[20:50:56] <csanyipal> Hi, I am at the end of the system upgrade from Stretch to Buster. I get the message: Processing triggers for initramfs-tools (0.133) ...
• 2400[20:51:05] <csanyipal> update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-4.19.0-5-amd64
• 2401[20:51:13] <csanyipal> W: APT had planned for dpkg to do more than it reported back (7450 vs 7457).
• 2402[20:51:20] <csanyipal> Affected packages: libreoffice-common:amd64
• 2403[20:51:29] <csanyipal> What can I do to solve this problem?
• 2404[20:51:53] <Habbie> this is not advice: -i- would run dist-upgrade again
• 2405[20:51:54] <csanyipal> The upgrade stops here.
• 2406[20:52:25] <greycat> Review the output for any other errors, and fix them if they exist. Otherwise, just standard answers: run "dpkg --configure -a" or "apt-get -f install" or repeat the "apt-get dist-upgrade".
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• 2409[20:53:35] <csanyipal> I started the upgrade with 'apt full-upgrade' command. Should I run it again?
• 2410[20:54:01] <csanyipal> There are not other errors out there, just this one.
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• 2413[20:55:23] <Habbie> there are likely to be errors somewhere in your last 50 screens of output
• 2414[20:55:29] <Habbie> but running the upgrade again is likely to make them more visible
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• 2416[20:55:47] <csanyipal> Habbie: OK, I shall run it again.
• 2417[20:55:47] <greycat> or maybe it'll just work the second time. that happens sometimes.
• 2418[20:56:02] <Habbie> indeed
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• 2421[20:57:09] <csanyipal> I started it again, but there are no errors at all, just get a list about obsolete packages that can be removed by running 'apt autoremove'.
• 2422[20:58:23] <csanyipal> I did so. when it's done, then I shall reboot the system.
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• 2429[21:02:17] <csanyipal> Done. Thanks! Bye!
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• 2434[21:02:44] <kek_> hi is there a list with all the tools (like curl, wget etc) that are installed by default?
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• 2438[21:03:38] <greycat> "default" is a funny word. There are many different installers, and once you get to the end of the installation, there is a task selection dialog, and you can pick lots of different bundles to install.
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• 2440[21:04:44] <alkisg> The minimal installation is a plain `debootstrap`; this has no wget, curl, busybox, kernel... :D
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• 2445[21:05:50] <ggg> Not sure if this is the place. When I run ./program.x86_64 it runs. When I place the following in crontab: @reboot /home/user/path/program.x86_64 it can't find the files it needs. How do I make it run as if I was that particular user?
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• 2447[21:06:06] <ggg> Should I specify the username somewhere?
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• 2449[21:06:34] <ggg> I'm using crontab -e as the user needed to run it
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• 2452[21:07:09] <karlpinc> alkisg: I'm sure there's a way to use aptitude search to test for the "essential" flag, and various levels of "priority" so as to get a list of "absolultely minimal" and "typically minimal" packages. But you'd have to read the aptitude search docs, which are in html only in /usr/share/doc/.
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• 2454[21:07:29] <kek_> greycat, yeah ofc it's a "funny" word but just some overview what packages get's installed when - without having to go through the process and check later. :)
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• 2458[21:08:34] <alkisg> karlpinc: essential packages are so few that it's usually not what people asking about "defaults" want... the tasks are too varying to depend on... personally I settled for "whatever's in the live cds", when I needed an answer to a similar question
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• 2460[21:09:48] <greycat> kek_: for a given installer image, for a given set of checkmarks in the task selection, for a given set of security updates on a given day, you can let the installer run and see what is installed.
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• 2463[21:10:32] <greycat> That will change if you use a different image, or a different set of task selections, or if one of the security updates has new pkg versions, possibly including new shared lib dependencies (web browsers, samba, bind9, all are likely to do that).
• 2464[21:10:44] <tarzeau> ggg: do you have an exact error message?
• 2465[21:11:11] <tarzeau> ggg: can you run that same command from the shell, say from /usr/src directory?
• 2466[21:11:34] <karlpinc> alkisg: I generally consider priority "<=important" to be the minimal install. Then I always add to that to get the system to do what I want.
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• 2468[21:11:41] <ggg> If I create a bash script and have it cd into the directory would that fix it?
• 2469[21:12:01] <kek_> greycat, ok guess I'm gonna do that then thank you
• 2470[21:12:23] <karlpinc> ggg: How do you know it is "not finding the files it needs"?
• 2471[21:12:25] <tarzeau> ggg: probably, but can your software not take an option or argument for the file it needs?
• 2472[21:12:29] <nkuttler> ggg: what's the actual error?
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• 2474[21:12:38] <tarzeau> karlpinc: because it tells him, but he doesn't tell us
• 2475[21:12:45] <ggg> there's no error it's trying to load files from .local/share
• 2476[21:12:56] <ggg> or other locations
• 2477[21:13:17] <ggg> When I run the program from within the directory with ./program there's no issues
• 2478[21:13:21] <tarzeau> ggg: ah and if you say HOME=/home/user thenyourcommand ?
• 2479[21:13:27] <dumbassbitch> hello
• 2480[21:13:28] <ggg> let me try that thank you tarzeau
• 2481[21:13:28] <ggg> =]
• 2482[21:13:35] <tarzeau> cron doesn't get the environment variables that you get in your interactive shell
• 2483[21:13:51] <ggg> I'll try now I appreciate the help
• 2484[21:13:55] <tarzeau> if not, try SHELL=/bin/bash inside above @reboot
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• 2488[21:15:48] <ggg> so place the HOME= between @reboot and the command?
• 2489[21:15:57] <ggg> HOME=/home/user
• 2490[21:16:47] <karlpinc> ggg: "man 5 crontab" might be helpful.
• 2491[21:17:18] <greycat> if he's actually using bash syntax in his crontab, he ought to stop doing that, because seriously, move that bash-specific code to a script
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• 2493[21:18:24] <ggg> alright I'll move it to a script
• 2494[21:18:34] <ggg> thanks
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• 2510[21:29:31] <Dwarf> I updated to buster and after a reboot I get some errors related to locales. I re-ran locale-gen but that does fix my issue. The error I get is locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory
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• 2512[21:29:57] <greycat> Dwarf: dpkg-reconfigure locales
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• 2516[21:31:15] <Dwarf> Generation complete.
• 2517[21:31:15] <Dwarf> perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
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• 2519[21:31:45] <Dwarf> Full output: replaced-url
• 2520[21:31:48] <greycat> log out and back i?
• 2521[21:31:50] <greycat> in?
• 2522[21:32:49] <Dwarf> darn tmux
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• 2530[21:37:07] <Dwarf> Right.
• 2531[21:37:26] <Dwarf> So the thing I pasted was pretty clear
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• 2533[21:37:42] <Dwarf> I have no idea where it gets LC_COLLATE = "nl_NL.UTF-8", from though
• 2534[21:37:58] <Dwarf> A `grep -R LC_` in /etc did not yield any results
• 2535[21:38:13] <greycat> do you still see it after a clean login? no old tmux/screen sessions involved?
• 2536[21:38:28] <Dwarf> Yes
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• 2538[21:38:39] <greycat> then it could be in ~/.profile or ~/.bashrc or ~/.bash_profile or ...
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• 2540[21:38:52] <Dwarf> Grepping /home right now
• 2541[21:38:53] <tarzeau> .zprofile
• 2542[21:39:00] <greycat> .xsessionrc etc. etc.
• 2543[21:40:18] <tarzeau> from the system configuration maybe? is it that when you run "locale" ?
• 2544[21:40:40] <Dwarf> the output of locale only lists en_US.UTF-8
• 2545[21:40:54] <Dwarf> Both LANGUAGE= and LC_ALL= are unset
• 2546[21:41:09] <Dwarf> Wait no. The nl_NL is still there
• 2547[21:41:14] <arandomandy> ~/wx
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• 2551[21:41:41] <Dwarf> grep -v '#' /etc/locale.gen lists "en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8" and nothing else
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• 2554[21:41:51] <hans_> a debian 9 server just died, moved the harddrives over to a very similar server.. but the network devices changed name from `eth0` to `eno1` and now i need to fix the network config so it can connect to interwebs again,
• 2555[21:42:00] <greycat> Dwarf: still sounds like a dot file in your $HOME
• 2556[21:42:11] <hans_> just to replace all instances of `eth0` with `eno1` in /etc/network/* and call it a day?
• 2557[21:42:16] <hans_> or is there something else i should do?
• 2558[21:42:29] <Dwarf> A grep -R in /home did not yield any results for nl_NL
• 2559[21:42:33] <greycat> hans_: for basic connections, yes... the old interface name could also be in firewall rules, samba configs, etc.
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• 2561[21:42:46] <ratrace> hans_: add net.ifnames=0 to the kernel command line to retain ethX naming, if you want to retain it
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• 2563[21:43:00] <tarzeau> hans_: don't forget to curse over systemd!
• 2564[21:43:14] <ratrace> tarzeau: that's kernel doing, not systemd
• 2565[21:43:16] <hans_> awesome, sounds like the lazy fix i need right now (need to fix it over iDRAC with keyboard issues and god knows what else)
• 2566[21:43:17] <Bushmills> hans_: alternatively, fix name through an udev rule
• 2567[21:43:44] <ratrace> no need to complicate matters with udev rules
• 2568[21:43:50] <greycat> Dwarf: do any of your dot files do anything *weird* like sourcing a file from /usr/local/etc?
• 2569[21:44:08] <Dwarf> No
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• 2571[21:44:26] <Dwarf> this worked without issue before upgrading to buster oddly enough
• 2572[21:44:28] <ratrace> net.ifnames=0 to retain ethX, or use systemd-networkd, OR even ifupdown's own directives to (re)name an interface
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• 2574[21:44:32] <hans_> should this have worked? mount / -o remount,rw replaced-url
• 2575[21:44:34] <tarzeau> ratrace: then curse about linux! i remember changing from /dev/hd to /dev/sd and other renames... all the times
• 2576[21:44:52] <ratrace> tarzeau: yea because things should remain the same as in 1980s?
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• 2578[21:45:00] <ratrace> gonna curse bigger RAM chips and faster CPUs too?
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• 2580[21:45:17] <tarzeau> ratrace: you'd probably also love ls being renamed, and having the car controls changed every few years?
• 2581[21:45:27] <ratrace> holy cow, cursed 64-bit computing! I want back to 8 bits!
• 2582[21:45:45] <tarzeau> ratrace: i still love chip music (tracked), yeah
• 2583[21:45:51] <greycat> I'm not thrilled by ls's output format change in buster, but it's not worth battling at this point.
• 2584[21:45:57] <tarzeau> ratrace: if i had a NeXTCUBE, i'd still be using it
• 2585[21:46:15] <ratrace> tarzeau: more power to you ;) really, not sarcasm ; but leave us to appreciate tech changing and evolving
• 2586[21:46:19] <Bushmills> ratrace: funny, same thing i wanted to say about adding boot parameters
• 2587[21:46:26] <tarzeau> consistency of user interface is one thing, i'm with linux
• 2588[21:47:03] <tarzeau> ratrace: there was a cheatsheet all unixes had ifconfig or something to setup an alias, only windows hat a 10 step instruction. meanwhile linux belongs to that ugly ip part
• 2589[21:47:31] <ratrace> you can still use ifconfig
• 2590[21:47:36] <tarzeau> and i do
• 2591[21:47:40] <greycat> not by "default"
• 2592[21:47:41] <ratrace> being deprecated did not automagickally delete its code
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• 2594[21:48:07] <greycat> you do have to go out of your way to install it, at this point, on new boxes
• 2595[21:48:07] <ratrace> you might encounter bugs in those cases which prompted iproute being written, but hey... :)
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• 2597[21:48:38] <greycat> and all your commercial product vendor licensing scripts that parse the output of ifconfig break because of the output format change in stretch
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• 2599[21:49:01] <tarzeau> i'm having a hard time already with users, and gtk, python, qt, migrations, and config files not being compatible between major versions, heck sometimes not even between minor version changes
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• 2618[21:57:10] <mimi89999> Hello
• 2619[21:57:19] <petn-randall> hi mimi89999
• 2620[21:57:29] <mimi89999> Is it normal for packages to delete data when they are purged?
• 2621[21:57:44] <mimi89999> replaced-url
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• 2624[21:58:07] <JPT> Purging a package always kills related data afaik
• 2625[21:58:16] <JPT> That's why you remove it instead of purging
• 2626[21:58:24] <petn-randall> mimi89999: Yes. If you want to keep data, you should only remove it.
• 2627[21:58:26] <greycat> purging deletes the package's registered config files
• 2628[21:58:31] <mimi89999> `purge - Remove packages and config files`
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• 2631[21:58:54] <mimi89999> How do you understand config files?
• 2632[21:58:57] <greycat> it won't remove configs in user home directories, or configs that were created during post-install or during normal runtime
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• 2634[21:58:59] <koollman> well, asking would be nice
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• 2636[21:59:27] <greycat> mimi89999: "dpkg -s pkgname" has a section that shows the package's registered conffiles
• 2637[21:59:35] <petn-randall> I guess the bug is valid in the sense that the behaviour is not consistent throughout the archive.
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• 2640[22:00:02] <mimi89999> Neither apt help not apt man pages says that data is removed.
• 2641[22:00:10] <mimi89999> For me configuration != data
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• 2643[22:00:32] <JPT> I agree that it's not ideal when your database suffers from purging old packages.
• 2644[22:00:35] <mimi89999> mariadb-server asked me
• 2645[22:00:39] <mimi89999> replaced-url
• 2646[22:00:50] <petn-randall> I only use postgres, so I didn't know that mariadb actually asks before deleting the databases. :)
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• 2649[22:01:23] <mimi89999> The lack of consistency isn't the worst.
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• 2653[22:01:40] <mimi89999> I read the help and man before doing that.
• 2654[22:01:48] <greycat> Well, the main point here is that in Debian packaging, "remove" keeps configs, and "purge" doesn't. Generally.
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• 2657[22:02:41] <mimi89999> How can a database be understood as a config file.
• 2658[22:02:48] <hans_> i thought fixing the network interface name would fix this, but apparently not.. replaced-url
• 2659[22:02:58] <petn-randall> mimi89999: I guess that's why a bug was opened.
• 2660[22:03:05] <mimi89999> I opened it.
• 2661[22:03:12] <mimi89999> After loosing the db
• 2662[22:03:31] <petn-randall> Restore from backups?
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• 2666[22:04:30] <tds> hans_... is that xp? :(
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• 2668[22:05:10] <hans_> tds, yes. modern OSs and modern browsers does not play nice with these old iDRAC remote control java web applet things, but windows XP does...
• 2669[22:05:37] <petn-randall> heh
• 2670[22:05:39] <tds> heh
• 2671[22:05:44] * petn-randall remembers iDRAC.
• 2672[22:05:57] * tds likes his terminal servers that just let him ssh in and get a serial console
• 2673[22:06:04] <hans_> they require ancient Java 6 runtimes, with an ancient browser, and.. a XP vm is an easy way to get that running.
• 2674[22:06:13] <tds> no messing around with ancient java :)
• 2675[22:06:20] <mimi89999> replaced-url
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• 2677[22:06:40] <JPT> Modern iRMC gets you the remote kvm experience in your browser. Spooky times we're living in.
• 2678[22:06:48] <mimi89999> Maybe mariadb-server was a bad example.
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• 2680[22:06:58] <tds> yeah, fancy modern html5 ipmi is nice :)
• 2681[22:07:03] <greycat> Our children are going to stumble across some weird footnote in a history app that says people used to write web applets in Java, and this required the installation of a Java runtime engine on the browser, and they're going to be like, "Mom... dad... what the HELL." And all we can do is say "I tried to tell them...."
• 2682[22:07:13] <mimi89999> Purging apache2 doesn't remove /var/replaced-url
• 2683[22:07:23] <mimi89999> They even check if it is their index file.
• 2684[22:07:57] <mimi89999> petn-randall‎: Thought it will be a fast upgrade. Entire day of downtime. We are still down :-(
• 2685[22:08:27] <hans_> `sudo rm -rfv /var/replaced-url
• 2686[22:08:32] <tds> greycat: nah, they've already started just hiding the mess in docker replaced-url
• 2687[22:08:45] <GenTooMan> mimi89999 I go by the old adage "can you survive an upgrade"
• 2688[22:09:08] <mimi89999> hans_: It was an example for something else.
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• 2692[22:10:58] <SerajewelKS> greycat: it could be worse. activex could have taken off.
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• 2698[22:13:02] <CaptainDusty> mimi89999: I wonder how they had configured postgres?
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• 2702[22:13:21] <CaptainDusty> I'm under the impression, on other platform's; the configuration directory, and database directory, default to the same.
• 2703[22:13:24] <CaptainDusty> (Or a child of)
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• 2712[22:16:23] <CaptainDusty> mimi89999: Sorry; what I mean to say is - how they configured the package. And, in example, refer to postgres - which on other platforms has a structure as described.
• 2713[22:17:33] <JPT> Doesn't a postgres update usually lead to a cluster migration thing? I recall using a specific tool to migrate from e.g.9.4 to 9.6 before killing the 9.4 package
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• 2716[22:18:35] <greycat> in Debian, you have to migrate the database cluster yourself; there are instructions in /usr/share/doc/postgres*
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• 2720[22:20:51] <hans_> is it safe to run update-grub inside chroot? am in recovery mode and / is ro but /mnt is rw and need to a kernel parameter and run update-grub but
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• 2725[22:21:53] <JPT> So if this is the "bad" postrm file in question, i believe that the cluster should have survived _if_ a cluster upgrade from 9.6 to the next version had already happened before purging 9.6.
• 2726[22:21:53] <SerajewelKS> hans_: it should be safe, yes
• 2727[22:21:55] <JPT> replaced-url
• 2728[22:22:05] <hans_> nvm managed to remount / as rw (didn't last time i tried but tried again, worked now)
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• 2737[22:25:33] <xata> Hello
• 2738[22:26:06] <xata> Got no sound in Cinnamion after upgrading from stretch to buster
• 2739[22:26:27] <mimi89999> CaptainDusty: IIRC it is like that in OpenSUSE. In Debian config files are in /etc/packagename and data is in /var or /var/lib
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• 2741[22:26:38] <dvs> xata, dummy driver?
• 2742[22:27:55] <xata> dvs: yes, it showed a dummy driver. i tried removing configuration of pulseaudio and restartin it, but now there is no audio device ast all. Alsa can see the audiocard though
• 2743[22:28:15] <xata> it is an internal audio on HP notebook
• 2744[22:28:15] <dvs> !timidity systemd
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• 2746[22:28:35] <dvs> !timidity
• 2747[22:28:35] <dpkg> i heard timidity is a great midi player, using timidity-patches (gravis ultra sound) it sounds perfect, (try these switches too -in or -ig), grab few midis from replaced-url
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• 2749[22:29:19] <xata> dvs: but it is no midi issue... i suppose
• 2750[22:29:20] <LtL> !timidity pulseaudio
• 2751[22:29:21] <dpkg> Some users have had <timidity> blocking access to their sound card, resulting in <pulseaudio> only seeing a dummy output. Check if timidity is running with 'systemctl status timidity' and stop/disable with 'systemctl stop timidity ; systemctl disable timidity' and/or remove the timidity-daemon package.
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• 2753[22:29:38] <mimi89999> JPT: The database can be updated. It also could have been moved back to the old location without starting pod PostgreSQL.
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• 2757[22:31:12] <xata> dvs: LtL: oh, and it is running for me. i'll try that, thanks
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• 2759[22:31:45] <hans_> gotdammit, even after adding `net.ifnames=0` , this happens replaced-url
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• 2761[22:32:09] <hans_> then i don't know why it happens.. unless that parameter didn't really work
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• 2795[23:02:12] <mimi89999> Nice WindowsXP
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• 2807[23:09:54] <hans_> mimi89999, here's the explanation if you haven't seen it yet: modern OSs and modern browsers does not play nice with these old iDRAC remote control java web applet things, but windows XP does. they require ancient Java 6 runtimes, with an ancient browser, and.. a XP vm is an easy way to get that running.
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• 2869[23:54:39] <mimi89999> Also have an old iDRAC. We have 1950 and 2950. I manage them by sshing to the management interface and then `connect com2` or something like that.
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• 2872[23:56:02] <mimi89999> hans_:
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