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1 [00:00:13] <somiaj> convert -resize I think preserves aspect
ratio by default, so even if you do like -resize 400x300 it will use
400x300 as max size
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6 [00:02:30] <notsoever> i did thank yoy
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8 [00:02:52] <notsoever> f*
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10 [00:03:06] <FightingFalcon> i see thanks
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19 [00:07:43] <notsoever> you are friends
20 [00:07:56] <notsoever> man
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31 [00:13:33] <notsoever> falt to url
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34 [00:15:00] <notsoever> did i did?
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38 [00:18:22] <eb0t_> hey i did update and now another player
other than vlc is opening films from midnight commander...
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40 [00:18:34] <eb0t_> how do i set vlc to be default .im not
using gnome or kde
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44 [00:20:08] <notsoever> vlc last chanhe
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46 [00:21:26] <notsoever> i receive god ubuntu
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49 [00:23:48] <wasamasa> go home, you're drunk
50 [00:24:30] <notsoever> i a home
51 [00:24:50] <notsoever> bich me
52 [00:24:57] <notsoever> do me
53 [00:25:49] <notsoever> slim
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55 [00:27:00] <xaeB5> hi i'm having trouble installing
debian on a new computer. ubuntu installs fine, but debian goes
through the installer process then doesn't ask me anything
about installing GRUB at the end, and i boot the computer and it
can't find an OS. is this the UEFI issue i've read about?
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67 [00:33:08] <notsoever> we gonna work for ourfe fart bich not
so muchbich music
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81 [00:38:23] <notsoever> go
82 [00:38:41] <notsoever> noso
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88 [00:41:27] <xaeB5> so can i install debian on a uefi system?
89 [00:42:11] <notsoever> not nso much
90 [00:42:30] <ahi2> xaeB5: can you choose between uefi and
legacy BIOS?
91 [00:42:49] <notsoever> u are bi
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93 [00:43:06] <notsoever> *
94 [00:43:10] <xaeB5> ahi2: i don't think so. i don't
have the option
95 [00:44:00] <notsoever> did your familili
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97 [00:44:21] <ahi2> xaeB5: i had same issue as you. no grub on
boot up. i couldnt figure it out so i coverted gpt hard drive to mbr
and reinstalled fine
98 [00:44:37] <xaeB5> also when i run the installer and try to
use wifi, debian recognizes my wifi adapter and asks for the SSID
and password, but then says it can't find such a SSID even
though i'm 100% sure it's correct
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100 [00:45:04] <xaeB5> ahi2: ok i'm not sure about hard
drive conversions, might just stick with ubuntu since that works
101 [00:45:07] <xaeB5> thanks
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103 [00:45:11] <notsoever> bich now not now
104 [00:45:20] <ahi2> xaeB5: i would be interested if someone
here could help you
105 [00:45:47] <xaeB5> i will try asking here again later.
doesn't seem to be active now
106 [00:45:56] <ahi2> right
107 [00:46:06] <notsoever> trak
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111 [00:48:16] <notsoever> fry youer whatsoevoever
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118 [00:53:09] <dvs> xaeB5, you can install Debian on a UEFI
system. You just have to make sure you boot the installer up in UEFI
mode.
119 [00:53:43] <xaeB5> dvs: how would i do that? the installer
starts up fine but i don't know how to tell what mode it's
in
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121 [00:54:52] <eb0t_> hmm looks like i have mpv player installed
on my system even though i didnt install it
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123 [00:55:01] <dvs> It should be an option at the first menu
124 [00:55:04] <eb0t_> i have only recently installed skype
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126 [00:55:10] <eb0t_> i wonder if that drags in mpv
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130 [00:56:08] <xaeB5> dvs ok i'll look for that thanks
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132 [00:56:14] <dvs> np
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134 [00:56:48] <notsoever> nego dome
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326 [02:48:01] <crestfallen_> hi anyone know why I can't
join the #kali-linux freenode channel?
327 [02:48:19] <somiaj> #kali
328 [02:48:21] <somiaj> !kali
329 [02:48:22] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
330 [02:48:30] <crestfallen_> sweet thanks somiaj
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332 [02:48:58] <somiaj> crestfallen_: you will have to ask their
operators, might be a registration issue, maybe you were banned for
some reason, but you'll have to ask their ops, we don't
control that channel
333 [02:49:07] <somiaj> #freenode might also be able to help
track down the issue
334 [02:49:21] <Unit193> You must be registered to join that
channel.
335 [02:49:33] <crestfallen> it says channel is invite only.
yeah..
336 [02:49:54] <crestfallen> would you mind fielding some quick
questions re: kali?
337 [02:49:54] <Unit193> #kali-linux
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339 [02:50:27] <crestfallen> #kali-linux won't work in
hexchat
340 [02:50:56] <Unit193> Right, because as I mentioned you must
be registered (and identified) with services.
341 [02:51:56] <crestfallen> I have buster, I wanted to play
around with a kvm vm of kali. I wonder if I could do a real bare
bones terminal-only version, or do those penetration apps require a
desktop?
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344 [02:54:46] <zumba_addict> Hi all. Is Debian 10 bleeding edge
or stable version?
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346 [02:55:25] <nkuttler> !10
347 [02:55:25] <dpkg> Buster is the codename for the current
<stable> release, Debian 10, released 2019-07-06.
"Buster" is Andy's pet Dachsund in Toy Story, see
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363 [03:02:05] <crestfallen> anyone tell me how to request an
invite to the kali channel, kindly?
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369 [03:07:30] <crestfallen> it says nothing on their freenode
page on how to be invited. I've never done that on a channel,
thanks..
370 [03:08:21] <somiaj> crestfallen: ask in #freenode, this is
not the right place
371 [03:08:30] <crestfallen> ok thanks.
372 [03:08:32] <somiaj> crestfallen: it could be you just have to
register your nick, /msg nickserv help
373 [03:08:51] <crestfallen> thanks thought it was registered..
374 [03:09:13] <somiaj> maybe it is, if so maybe we need to
update the factoid on the channel
375 [03:09:37] <Unit193> No, as I mentioned earlier he's
just not identified and the channel is +r
376 [03:10:02] <somiaj> I was able to join just fine, so yea just
register your nick with nickserv
377 [03:10:14] <crestfallen> I did /msg nickserve identify
<password> , is that correct?
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381 [03:11:28] <zumba_addict> Thank you nkuttler
382 [03:11:45] <crestfallen> crestfallen is already registered.
sorry, don't know much about freenode
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396 [03:21:35] <oxek> my /boot was not mounted during apt
upgrade, and a new kernel was downloaded. I now mounted /boot, how
can I get the new kernel there?
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400 [03:23:58] <zumba_addict> which desktop environment should I
install this time? :D I'm currently using xfce.
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402 [03:24:51] <zumba_addict> Cinnamon, Mate, LXDE, LXqt
403 [03:24:54] <oxek> zumba_addict: they all suck, so just pick
one and get on with your work/play.
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405 [03:25:10] <zumba_addict> hehe :D
406 [03:25:40] <oxek> whichever one you pick, you'll always
wonder if there's a better one and always be unhappy with your
current one. So just skip this and deal with more important things.
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408 [03:26:10] <zumba_addict> I'll try Cinnamon
409 [03:26:41] <oxek> the best desktop environment would be one
that you write yourself, because then you know what you can do with
it and who to blame when stuff does not work or you don't have
stuff you'd like.
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411 [03:26:52] <oxek> but obviously that is too much work
412 [03:27:09] <oxek> so we're all stuck with DEs that suck
413 [03:27:09] <zumba_addict> I'm currently installing
Cinnamon
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417 [03:32:02] <ryouma> i have never needed a de
418 [03:32:16] <oxek> anyone know how to fix my issue?
419 [03:32:17] <ryouma> i have never understood what it was
supposed to even do for me
420 [03:32:26] <zumba_addict> i'm just interested. I'm
always on the terminal
421 [03:32:26] <melpy> de are for noobs ^w^
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423 [03:32:46] <ryouma> i don't use terminals either
424 [03:32:47] <melpy> or grandpas
425 [03:32:55] <zumba_addict> lol, what do you use?
426 [03:33:00] <ryouma> fluxbox
427 [03:33:05] <ryouma> and emacs
428 [03:33:17] <zumba_addict> fluxbox is a window manager
429 [03:33:24] <ryouma> ys
430 [03:33:26] <ryouma> yes
431 [03:33:34] <zumba_addict> I have it too on my bunsenlabs
432 [03:33:36] <ryouma> debian has a bunch of those
433 [03:34:00] <zumba_addict> but i'm interested in your
emacs since I've never used it. I started with vi in 95
434 [03:34:31] <zumba_addict> can you run commands in emacs
session?
435 [03:34:39] <ryouma> yes
436 [03:34:42] <zumba_addict> oh cool
437 [03:35:16] <zumba_addict> I think it was in emacs where one
of the hackers in assembly channel shared a session with me.
However, I couldn't recall anymore since it was 2 years ago
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439 [03:35:31] <ryouma> there are several terminals, a shell mode
(which i use and is a dumb terminal), and a shell written in lisp.
you can also do sessions in org mode
440 [03:36:04] <zumba_addict> I remember, i can see the commands
he was typing
441 [03:36:25] <zumba_addict> from my side, I ssh to his machine
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443 [03:37:06] <zumba_addict> that's possible right?
444 [03:37:08] <ryouma> emacs also has remote shell stuff you can
do, and remote direct manipulation of files
445 [03:37:17] <ryouma> including ssh
446 [03:37:19] <zumba_addict> cool
447 [03:37:32] <zumba_addict> I guess it's time for me try
try it
448 [03:38:08] <zumba_addict> so anything I can do currently with
a terminal, I should be able to do with emacs?
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451 [03:38:35] <ryouma> more or less. if you want tui, you need
to use one of the terminal modes. they have glitches but work for my
purposes.
452 [03:38:42] <zumba_addict> tui?
453 [03:38:52] <zumba_addict> text user interface?
454 [03:39:06] <ryouma> yes
455 [03:39:10] <ryouma> like htop
456 [03:39:15] <ryouma> ncurses
457 [03:39:16] <zumba_addict> oh got it
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459 [03:39:44] <ryouma> but the dumb terminal can do things like
curl progress bar
460 [03:39:56] <zumba_addict> btw, my debian 10 installation
failed on "select and install". I never had issues with
installing 8 and 9
461 [03:40:02] <zumba_addict> cool
462 [03:40:47] <ryouma> what was the issue?
463 [03:41:05] <zumba_addict> it doesn't say on the screen.
It just says it failed. I'll take a screenshot
464 [03:41:19] <ryouma> (basically i never use real x terminals
or console)
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466 [03:41:54] <zumba_addict>
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468 [03:42:55] <zumba_addict> I selected a different selection
from the menu and I can't exit out anymore. Still the same
error. I'll try Abort Installation
469 [03:43:06] <zumba_addict> I'll pick Finish Installation
first
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471 [03:44:28] <zumba_addict> it didn't boot properly, lol.
I'll reinstall without de
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473 [03:45:42] <ryouma> what i do is minimal installation and
then install whatever i need manually
474 [03:45:57] <zumba_addict> yep, I'll do it that way
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491 [03:52:43] <zumba_addict> I guess my earlier installation ran
out of space since I selected a DE. There were about 1,400 packages
that were being installed. This time, I didn't select any DE.
It's only 140 packages and installation completed successfully
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493 [03:54:00] <zumba_addict> sudo is now not installed by
default. Nice!
494 [03:55:27] <zumba_addict> It's like OpenBSD on first
install :D Neat! Only port 22 is active
495 [03:56:39] <zumba_addict> Alright, I'm ready to jump
into Emacs realm! Searching for tutorials :D
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497 [03:57:05] <ryouma> run emacs and then do c-h t for a basic
tutorial
498 [03:57:11] <ryouma> (control h)
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502 [03:58:29] <ryouma> happy emacs
503 [03:58:32] <zumba_addict> let me apt-get install emacs
504 [03:59:08] <zumba_addict> it's installing tons of
libraries, hehehe
505 [03:59:54] <oxek> zumba_addict: maybe should have done `apt
--no-install-recommends install emacs`
506 [04:00:16] <zumba_addict> oh, my first time to see that
507 [04:00:43] <zumba_addict> it just finished installing. Should
I uninstall it and do that?
508 [04:00:50] <zumba_addict> So i can regain space
509 [04:00:51] <oxek> no, it's fine
510 [04:00:53] <ryouma> name some of the packages
511 [04:00:59] <ryouma> you might want them
512 [04:01:26] <zumba_addict> libcupsimage, libpangocairo, libgtk
libgs9 and 100s more
513 [04:01:40] <oxek> that sounds wrong
514 [04:01:50] <oxek> emacs should not depend on, nor recommend
all those
515 [04:02:05] <dvs> xemacs could
516 [04:02:08] <zumba_addict> got it. It's ok. I'm on
the tutorial now
517 [04:03:24] <oxek> I see now, 'emacs' is a
metapackage that depends on emacs-gtk
518 [04:03:34] <zumba_addict> ok
519 [04:03:35] <oxek> that explains it
520 [04:03:40] <oxek> and it horrifies me
521 [04:03:47] <zumba_addict> :D
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523 [04:05:36] <oxek> that's why I use vim or nano, or just
some GUI editor
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525 [04:07:44] <ryouma> you can use emacs with no x or emacs with
just the lucid toolkit
526 [04:07:52] <ryouma> there are a bunch of packges
527 [04:08:10] <ryouma> but xemacs is a total fork (and not
widely used)
528 [04:08:27] <ryouma> emacs-nox e.g.
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541 [04:21:57] <oxek> I dream of a future where people no longer
fight over emacs vs vim. Both suck, so just use one and get on with
what you need to do.
542 [04:22:34] <dvs> !start an editor war
543 [04:22:34] <dpkg> xemacs is known to decrease your lifespan!
544 [04:22:43] <dvs> dpkg: shut up
545 [04:22:43] <dpkg> Kiss my shiny metal ass!
546 [04:23:13] <oxek> dpkg: you don't have an ass,
you're just bytes
547 [04:23:13] <dpkg> I resemble that remark!
548 [04:23:26] <dvs> you sure do!
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555 [04:37:10] <ryouma> there is no editor war in reality. go to
#emacs and type ,salespitch
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558 [04:41:13] <ryouma> (or just help somebody use vim or emacs)
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560 [04:42:20] <grisher> do people actually care what what editor
eachother suse
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562 [04:42:24] <grisher> udse
563 [04:42:33] <grisher> fuck ssh lag
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566 [04:45:48] <ryouma> only like 1 user on irc and 1 troll
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569 [04:48:05] <grisher> i'd commit my life to using nano
just to annoy those people
570 [04:48:45] <oxek> grisher: have you heard of mosh?
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572 [04:48:58] <oxek> should help with your ssh lag
573 [04:49:47] <oxek> and nano is a fine editor for most purposes
574 [04:52:38] <mason> grisher,oxek: apt purge nano is my first
act on any Debian-based system, assuming it wasn't installed
with debootstrap, where I can nip it in the bud before first boot.
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576 [04:53:48] <oxek> why?
577 [04:53:57] <grisher> nah, mosh still lags
578 [04:54:03] <grisher> besides, it's only a temporary
issue
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580 [04:54:18] <oxek> grisher: it will lag, but at least
you're not gonna be blind typing nonsense
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583 [04:55:43] <mason> oxek: I just really dislike it. It seems
to lack most things I'd want in an editor. I'd happily use
any vi or any emacs in preference, even if I couldn't predict
in advance which it'd be.
584 [04:56:20] <grisher> yeah but mosh also keeps a shitload of
sessions open that i can't be bothered with
585 [04:56:28] <grisher> and again, the issue is temporary
586 [04:56:31] <mason> oxek: The notion that drives me is that if
someone can't take a few minutes and learn a traditional
editor, they might want to reconsider configuring a Unixlike system.
587 [04:56:50] <oxek> mason: it's a nice backup, and
nowadays you can expect it to be on any system as a minimal editor
that works in case somebody messed up their vim/emacs/whatever
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590 [04:57:21] <grisher> see, people love getting outraged by
nano
591 [04:57:30] <oxek> admittedly, I need to relearn vim at some
point
592 [04:57:34] <mason> grisher: I don't love it, really. I
wish it weren't there to dislike.
593 [04:57:48] <oxek> been happy with nano for my usecases of
editing config files using commandline
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595 [04:58:22] <oxek> for everything else there's a grad
student
596 [04:58:32] <mason> A truly human interface.
597 [04:58:34] <grisher> lol, i don't really care if things
exist
598 [04:58:38] <grisher> if i don't wanna use something i
just don't
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601 [04:59:05] <mason> grisher: Let me rephrase, then. I wish it
weren't shoved in my face on every new install. I don't
choose to use it ever.
602 [04:59:27] <mason> Heck, even a dialog forcing me to pick my
default editor would be acceptable.
603 [04:59:27] <grisher> yeah but heaps of people do
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605 [04:59:42] <grisher> and it's useful to setup networking
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612 [05:00:59] <mason> Recipes too, I guess. I take your point.
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614 [05:02:50] <grisher> "a dialog forcing me to pick my
default editor" is fine in theory
615 [05:03:19] <grisher> then you realize it could be applied to
a lot of different programs on a linux install, so then it's
added for those programs too
616 [05:03:33] <grisher> then a linux install is literally just
picking software to be installed
617 [05:03:45] <grisher> seems like it'd hinde the install
process a tad
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623 [05:10:35] <crestfallen> hi I'm trying to spin a vm with
kvm and getting this error : invalid literal for int() with base 10:
'1G'
624 [05:11:41] <crestfallen> this is the command I'm running
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625 [05:12:26] <crestfallen> also I believe the ' --memory
1G ' entry is also problematic
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635 [05:17:37] <crestfallen> If someone could direct to a
chatroom where this might be answered I'd appreciate it
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642 [05:22:21] <RoyK> crestfallen: sorry - perhaps try #virt @
irc.oftc.net - I usually just use virt-manager
643 [05:22:55] <crestfallen> yeah thanks kindly I'm trying
virt-manager now RoyK
644 [05:23:18] <mason> crestfallen: --memory=1024 - it's
always in megabytes
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646 [05:24:37] <mason> crestfallen: Also, osinfo-query os will
show you available OS variants. I suspect kali-linux isn't
valid. Check out the EXAMPLES section in the man page.
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648 [05:25:36] <mason> good luck and good night! o/
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651 [05:29:05] <crestfallen> mason thanks!
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700 [06:34:23] <kfvn_> I've just upgraded a thinkpad p1 to
Bullseye and got this Warning: Possible missing firmware
/lib/firmware/i915/icl_dmc_ver1_07.bin for module i915
701 [06:34:59] <kfvn_> I can't find much about icl_dmc. Any
hints are appreciated
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703 [06:36:13] <kfvn_> also this W: Possible missing firmware
/lib/firmware/i915/bxt_huc_ver01_8_2893.bin for module i915
704 [06:36:27] <annadane> !debian-next
705 [06:36:28] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
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707 [06:37:58] <kfvn_> annadane: thanks! I'll post there,
didn't know it existed
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721 [06:53:56] <oxek> what is the debian default display manager
for the xfce task?
722 [06:54:07] <Unit193> LightDM.
723 [06:54:19] <oxek> thanks
724 [06:54:25] <oxek> is it any good?
725 [06:54:37] <Unit193> I think it's pretty much the best
option.
726 [06:54:51] <oxek> I really don't need any features
727 [06:54:55] <oxek> just want it to be light
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729 [06:55:49] <oxek> what do I even need a display manager for?
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731 [07:00:08] <RoyK> oxek: priority #1 must be to make it look
like windows 95
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733 [07:00:49] <oxek> RoyK: I mean, I literally just put my
username and password in it, and then it goes away, right?
734 [07:00:54] <oxek> so what do I care what it looks like?
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737 [07:03:17] <oxek> btw it was not a rhetorical question - what
is a display manager needed for anyway?
738 [07:03:36] <ebisu> New install. New desktop build (Ryzen
2600, msi b450f board). Grub initialized systemd, then theres an
infinite blinking cursor. if i go into recovery, it complains about
something involving ECC checking, and it being a desktop board I am
confused.
739 [07:04:52] <annadane> oxek, i guess slim is the lightest
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741 [07:05:18] <Unit193> oxek: User switching, automatically
starting the session stuff, sometimes as an unlock screen, etc.
742 [07:05:47] <oxek> Unit193: I thought that was what a desktop
environment did
743 [07:06:30] <oxek> annadane: is slim a safe choice though,
given that it is not being developed anymore
744 [07:07:02] <ebisu> oxek, I use XDM. It doesn't matter if
it's not being developed anymore if it's simple and it
works.
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746 [07:10:23] <oxek> I eventually want to setup some graphical
remote connection (maybe VNC?) to this machine. Does this fact
affect the choice of a display manager?
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749 [07:11:13] <Unit193> Oooh, then you can use
lightdm-remote-session-x2go or lightdm-remote-session-freerdp2!
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752 [07:12:35] <oxek> so lightdm is still a good choice for me?
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754 [07:13:39] <Unit193> I mean, I'm not you so I can't
say certainly. But it's a good choice for me, I can use x11vnc
at the login screen and login remotely if I want.
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757 [07:14:33] <oxek> admittedly, I don't fully understand
this, I never did graphical remote connections, only ssh
758 [07:14:39] <oxek> so I don't know where to start
759 [07:14:52] <oxek> the machine currently has no graphical
interface
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763 [07:16:00] <Unit193> Is there a reason to add one? :P
764 [07:16:03] <oxek> so I still need to install xserver (what is
the package name in debian?), display manager (probably lightdm),
greeter? (wtf is a greeter?), and some desktop environment (xfce?)
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966 [07:51:57] <oxek> what is the package name of X server?
967 [07:52:27] <inch> dpkg -S /usr/bin/Xorg ->
xserver-xorg-core
968 [07:52:55] <dpkg> There is no record of a /usr/bin/Xorg ->
xserver-xorg-core package
969 [07:54:03] <Mathisen> ,info xserver-xorg-core
970 [07:54:05] <judd> Package xserver-xorg-core (x11, optional)
in buster/amd64: Xorg X server - core server. Version: 2:1.20.4-1;
Size: 3457.6k; Installed: 5960k; Homepage:
replaced-url
971 [07:56:22] <oxek> I can't tell if 'xorg' or
'xserver-xorg-core' is the main one that pulls all the
dependancies
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1085 [08:16:10] <Mathisen> oxek, xorg is the meta package
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1087 [08:16:44] <Mathisen> ,info xorg
1088 [08:16:45] <judd> Package xorg (x11, optional) in
buster/amd64: X.Org X Window System. Version: 1:7.7+19; Size: 37.5k;
Installed: 52k; Homepage:
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1188 [08:17:10] <Mathisen> well that is the one that pulls all dep
anyway
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1200 [08:27:29] <oxek> looks like xorg is the correct choice
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1216 [08:38:30] <ZAJDAN> Hi ..after upgrade from Debian 9 to 10 I
have problem with network interface. WhenI wake up computer from
sleep..NIC doesnt indicated cable and is like "unpluged"
status
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1218 [08:38:48] <ZAJDAN> this I see in dmesg:
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1238 [08:58:25] <shagna> hi,cannot import a public pgp key.using
debian buster,fresh install.wonder whats happening?
1239 [08:58:50] <nkuttler> !tell shagna about errors
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1259 [09:14:12] <shagna> i made an .asc file,typed gpg --import
*.asc and output was
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1260 [09:15:18] <shagna> otherwise debian 10 runs smooth
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1270 [09:22:38] <shagna> sorry it is
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1272 [09:24:13] <nkuttler> shagna: which command did you run?
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1274 [09:24:44] <shagna> gpg --import *.asc
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1307 [09:40:34] <jelly> shagna: and what do the first and the last
line of the file say?
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1309 [09:41:18] <jelly> shagna: also, what does "file
foo.asc" say, and what is actually SUPPOSED to be in the file
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1311 [09:42:06] <shagna> -----beginn PGP signature,----end PGP
signature
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1316 [09:43:27] <shagna> i copy&pasted the public pgp key into
the .asc file
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1321 [09:44:35] <shagna> with debian 9 importing a public gpg key
was never a problem
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1325 [09:46:11] <zzarr> hello!
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1329 [09:47:13] <zzarr> I have a problem, I would like to install
libnginx-mod-http-passenger on bullseye, but that is no easy task
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1332 [09:47:54] <zzarr> trying to get gitlab working (again) on a
server after upgrading to bullseye
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1335 [09:50:06] <zzarr> it requires libcurl3 but the system says
that it conflicts with libcurl4
1336 [09:50:37] <zzarr> I'm trying to install a stretch
version of libnginx-mod-http-passenger
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1344 [09:53:29] <TheFirstGoodmaN> Hi together, i have install
watchdog with the softdog kernel modul. I have set sigterm-delay to
wait for the services to shutdown properly bevore they get sig
killed. Now watchdog is always waiting the sigterm delay even i dont
see a reason for waiting, how could i debug this issue?
1345 [09:54:16] <TheFirstGoodmaN> I am on Debian 9.11
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1400 [10:25:52] <SpeedyG> hey, i've got this weird issue that
in gnome, my pastebuffer gets emptied randomly... I've got no
clue where to look for this issue, does anyone have similar
experiences (and maybe solved it) ?
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1458 [11:13:14] <moldy> i have tried a thousand things, but cannot
get my compose key to work consistently. sometimes it works for qt
apps but not for gtk apps, sometimes vice versa, sometimes not at
all.
1459 [11:13:19] <moldy> can anyone help with this?
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1482 [11:28:59] <FightingFalcon> find . -iname "*.jpg"
-type f >>>>>>>>>> how do i set it so
that the command include png and jpeg files also?
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1502 [11:39:33] <future28> Hi, I am trying to downgrade a package
on a new system via `sudo apt-get install hugo=0.58.3-0` but apt
can't locate 0.58-3.0.
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1504 [11:39:54] <Habbie> ,v hugo
1505 [11:39:54] <future28> I have 0.58.3-1 installed. Could anyone
help with this?
1506 [11:39:55] <judd> Package: hugo on amd64 -- stretch:
0.18.1-1+b2; buster: 0.55.6+really0.54.0-1; bullseye: 0.58.3-1; sid:
0.58.3-1
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1508 [11:40:49] <Habbie> future28, in general, i believe debian
mirrors only have the latest version of a package
1509 [11:40:53] <towo^work>
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1510 [11:41:17] <future28> Habbie: I see, so perhaps I need to
find the .deb
1511 [11:41:24] <Habbie> future28, see what towo^work said
1512 [11:41:35] <future28> Great, thanks towo^work and Habbie - I
will check it out
1513 [11:42:21] <hummable> you probably still have the .deb in
/var/cache/apt/archives
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1517 [11:43:41] <future28> hummable: It's a brand new system
unfortunately, pointed at testing
1518 [11:43:59] <future28> All is well, I got the .deb before the
breaking change and my site now builds - thanks for your assistance
all
1519 [11:44:11] <ratrace> FightingFalcon: -iname '*.jpg'
-o -iname '*.png'
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1522 [11:44:36] <hummable> is -o the same as -or ?
1523 [11:44:42] <ratrace> ya
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1525 [11:45:02] <hummable> ah ty
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1528 [11:48:00] <FightingFalcon> thanks
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1556 [12:11:21] <otyugh> Is there a complete list somewhere of the
pci device + their available driver on debian ?
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1558 [12:12:10] <otyugh> I'm looking for a way to make a tiny
script to identify which nonfree-driver could be installed. But if I
have to do everyting I'm ready to give up quite quickly :p
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1560 [12:12:38] <otyugh> (there is like >12M drivers
é_è)
1561 [12:12:48] <otyugh> s/driver/device
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1576 [12:19:45] <dka> I am on debian with cinnamon, how can I
create a shortcut for intellij bin ?
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1580 [12:23:56] <Franciman> Hello
1581 [12:24:05] <Franciman> What's the difference between
aptitude and apt-get and apt?
1582 [12:24:39] <OerHeks> apt is superior over apt-get, aptitude
is great too
1583 [12:25:25] <ayekat> it's not exactly
'superior' - it's more of a interactive-friendly
variant of apt-get/apt-cache
1584 [12:25:46] <ayekat> for scripts, apt-get is AFAIK still
recommended, as the command line interface is stable
1585 [12:25:51] <beinbliss4> you can call it a wrapper of
apt-get/apt/cache
1586 [12:26:09] <beinbliss4> -*
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1594 [12:31:24] <Franciman> ah so they are simply different CLIs
to the same thing?
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1614 [12:48:08] <ratrace> Franciman: more or less
1615 [12:48:14] <shagna> could not solve the problem about how to
import public pgp keys.the first line inthe foo.asc folder says
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE---- and the last line -----END PGP
SIGNATURE----
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1617 [12:48:31] <shagna> any ideas?
1618 [12:48:51] <Franciman> thanks
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1623 [12:51:00] <StyXman> there are many id3 tag editors in
debian, but do you know of any (preferably gui) that also can
organize files based on them? like id3ren, but maybe better
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1631 [12:55:18] <StyXman> i used to develop one (satyr, which
is/was also a player), but it's py2/pyqt4 and I really
don't have much time porting it :(
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1660 [13:12:29] <Zevv> Hi #debian - What is the name of the
console/tui toolkit used by the text debian installer?
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1662 [13:12:56] <towo^work> ncurses
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1664 [13:13:35] <Zevv> yeah, but the thing between ncurses and the
installer - is that some standard component or is it part of the
installer itself?
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1674 [13:17:27] <Zevv> newt!
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1689 [13:28:05] <oxek> which VNC server is best supported on
debian?
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1711 [13:39:36] <otyugh> any idea how udev know what driver to
load when X device is on the system ?
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1719 [13:48:27] <StyXman> there are config files where you can
configure things by bus id
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1721 [13:49:17] <StyXman> otherwise I think it's the kernel
who knows what ids each driver accepts?
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1751 [14:19:13] <DammitJim> I have a debian server that recently
got joined to a windows domain
1752 [14:19:26] <DammitJim> I had to set ntp for the DC
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1754 [14:19:47] <DammitJim> I can swear my time was correct before
changing the ntp conf and joining to the doamin
1755 [14:20:16] <DammitJim> to my surprise, the server is now
showing the wrong time (about 12 hours ahead)
1756 [14:20:23] <DammitJim> do I just change the time on the
server?
1757 [14:21:24] <DammitJim> do you think there is something up
with the hardware clock?
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1794 [14:49:19] <Andorspider> Hi out there :)
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1798 [14:50:57] <Andorspider> hello braci
1799 [14:51:13] <Andorspider> just testing my system
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1801 [14:51:56] <krumelmonster> Something's clearly wrong
here: sudo addgroup admin
1802 [14:51:57] <krumelmonster> addgroup: Please enter a username
matching the regular expression configured
1803 [14:52:34] <Andorspider> ok looks like its working, bye gang
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1805 [14:53:08] <redandvidya1> hello
1806 [14:53:22] <redandvidya1> rav30 from last 2 weeks ago
1807 [14:53:26] <redandvidya1> looking to try debian again
1808 [14:53:44] <redandvidya1> this time, I plan to switch
whatever network shit is in default debian
1809 [14:53:46] <Andorspider> good idea
1810 [14:53:56] <redandvidya1> and replace it with something that
works like wicd / netctl
1811 [14:54:02] <Andorspider> i made my fist mistake bu making my
size 30gb
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1813 [14:54:14] <Andorspider> so i reinstalled to a 70gb drive
1814 [14:54:20] <redandvidya1> lol
1815 [14:54:28] <redandvidya1> what is the default networking
thing in debian anyways?
1816 [14:54:31] <redandvidya1> network manager?
1817 [14:54:33] <redandvidya1> systemd networking?
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1819 [14:54:36] <Andorspider> now i am having to wipe it again and
make a 100gb partition
1820 [14:54:37] <Andorspider> lol
1821 [14:54:58] <redandvidya1> how big is your drive
1822 [14:55:07] <Andorspider> 3 TB
1823 [14:55:28] <krumelmonster> /etc/adduser.conf looks fine:
NAME_REGEX="^[a-z][-a-z0-9_]*\$"
1824 [14:55:28] <Andorspider> storage hd for files
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1826 [14:55:37] <redandvidya1> wow thats big
1827 [14:55:42] <redandvidya1> anyways can anyone answer my
network question :b
1828 [14:56:17] <Andorspider> but hi and bye
1829 [14:56:23] <Andorspider> thanks for talking to me
1830 [14:56:31] <Andorspider> means this program is working :)
1831 [14:56:51] <redandvidya1> ok
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1833 [14:57:09] <redandvidya1> anyways
1834 [14:57:13] <redandvidya1> good idea or naw?
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1841 [15:00:25] <redandvidya1> is the network shit in debian even
replacable?
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1843 [15:00:40] <redandvidya1> hello?
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1847 [15:04:54] <CrystalMath> i just use a static configuration
now
1848 [15:05:21] <CrystalMath> for the network
1849 [15:05:27] <CrystalMath> no DHCP
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1851 [15:06:24] <redandvidya1> ah
1852 [15:06:46] <redandvidya1> CrystalMath what networking stuff
was in default debian?
1853 [15:06:52] <redandvidya1> network manager? wicd? netctl?
1854 [15:07:12] <redandvidya1> because i don't have that
extremely slow internet issue I had with debian in fedora, ubuntu,
or arch
1855 [15:07:15] <karlpinc> redandvidya1: The default network thing
in debian is /etc/network/interfaces.
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1857 [15:07:38] <karlpinc> redandvidya1: Did you install from the
unoffical install image which includes non-free firmware?
1858 [15:07:42] <redandvidya1> yeah actually
1859 [15:07:46] <redandvidya1> and even so
1860 [15:07:50] <redandvidya1> the internet is unbearingly slow
1861 [15:07:53] <greycat> Most people who talk about
"default" are not using the actual defaults.
1862 [15:08:05] <redandvidya1> i'm talking about the default
network management karlpinc
1863 [15:08:08] <greycat> They're using some weird thing
brought on by the choice of an uncommon installation method, etc.
1864 [15:08:29] <redandvidya1> wait didn't you literally just
talk about this issue with me two weeks ago?
1865 [15:08:32] <redandvidya1> im rav30 / rav31
1866 [15:08:35] <karlpinc> redandvidya1: Dunno. You might
(possibly) try a newer kernel from backports and see if that helps.
1867 [15:08:47] <black_puppydog> oh hey all, I was just dropping
in to look for help with an issue about unbearably slow internet :P
1868 [15:09:00] <redandvidya1> i can't tell if thats a joke
or not
1869 [15:09:02] <karlpinc> redandvidya1: Probably. But I'm
not a wifi guy. IIRC I helped some with the install.
1870 [15:09:10] <greycat> redandvidya1: If you install Debian from
the normal, regular install images, and select "Standard"
and not any Desktop Environments, and if you have a working network
during the installation, you will almost certainly end up with a
single interface DHCP configuration in /etc/network/interfaces.
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1872 [15:09:22] <redandvidya1> I did select debian xfce
1873 [15:09:32] <redandvidya1> idk if that makes a difference
1874 [15:09:44] <redandvidya1> although I don't think xfce
makes a difference
1875 [15:09:54] <redandvidya1> i was able to install debian
netinst (i cant remember if free or nonfree)
1876 [15:09:59] <redandvidya1> without any wifi issues AFTER
install
1877 [15:10:05] <redandvidya1> even with xfce
1878 [15:10:16] <krumelmonster> solved my problem by commenting
out NAME_REGEX="^[a-z][-a-z0-9_]*\$" from
/etc/adduser.conf altogether
1879 [15:10:17] <redandvidya1> but now trying to replicate the
same situation leaves unbearingly slow internet
1880 [15:10:26] <redandvidya1> in ethernet, usb tethering, and
"wifi"
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1882 [15:10:42] <redandvidya1> im not running debian rn tho
1883 [15:10:49] <redandvidya1> using arch, but wanting to move
back to deb for the stability
1884 [15:10:51] <karlpinc> redandvidya1: Did you use usb
teathering to do the install?
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1888 [15:12:04] <karlpinc> redandvidya1: Might help to do the
install with the same setup you're planning on using on a
regular basis.
1889 [15:12:31] <karlpinc> redandvidya1: (Especially if non-free
firmware is required.)
1890 [15:12:42] <black_puppydog> I might not even be in the right
channel... So my issue is a stalling wifi connection, on an Intel
wireless N 2200 wifi card. And while looking into that I realized
that the (nonfree) firmware for that is located in
/lib/firmware/iwlwifi-2000-6.ucode, so that would make it version 6,
while the intel website lists version 18 as current. so I'm
wondering if there's something I'm missing, or if I'm
not, what to
1891 [15:12:44] <black_puppydog> do next, or who to contact about
this.
1892 [15:12:57] <redandvidya1> my wifi is the infamous mt7601u
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1894 [15:13:17] <redandvidya1> black_puppydog ayy, another dude
having internet issues
1895 [15:13:21] <redandvidya1> the PAIN
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1897 [15:14:38] <black_puppydog> yeah sorry. this one has been
creeping along for years, but it has been getting worse lately. the
machine is a lenovo so I can't just swap out the 2200 for
something decent (hardware whitelist) even though from what I
understand, the 2200 was never good by any stretch
1898 [15:14:44] <redandvidya1> karlpinc actually no
1899 [15:14:46] <karlpinc> black_puppydog: This
replaced-url
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1901 [15:14:57] <redandvidya1> i didn't use usb for
installation
1902 [15:15:00] <redandvidya1> i actually used wifi
1903 [15:15:01] <redandvidya1> and it worked
1904 [15:15:08] <redandvidya1> its just that post install it
doesnt work, nor any networking
1905 [15:15:12] <redandvidya1> i mean it does work but it's
extremely slow
1906 [15:15:16] <karlpinc> black_puppydog: What version of debian?
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1908 [15:15:49] <karlpinc> redandvidya1: Debian always has an
issue supporting the latest hardware. Which is why a backported
kernel can help.
1909 [15:16:32] <redandvidya1> so would I have to use the debian
testing netinst to fix this?
1910 [15:16:33] <greycat> I'm not sure a newer kernel helps
particularly much with wifi, unless the newer kernel is prereq for
some bleeding edge firmware.
1911 [15:16:37] <redandvidya1> ^^
1912 [15:16:41] <karlpinc> redandvidya1: The installer isn't
going to install the necessary firmware if you don't have the
device plugged in. That leaves you do it after the fact, and setup
whatever else that the installer would otherwise do for you.
1913 [15:16:58] <redandvidya1> i even used older kernels (granted,
it WAS ubuntu) but it worked with my mt7601u flawlessly
1914 [15:17:25] <greycat> Most likely, Ubuntu installed some
non-free firmware for you, which Debian did not.
1915 [15:17:51] <karlpinc> greycat is right, a newer kernel might
not help. On the other hand, it's easy to do and when it comes
to quickly poking it with a stick it's something to try.
1916 [15:18:44] <greycat> And no, you wouldn't grab a
"testing netinst" (I don't even know what that
-means-). You'd grab a buster-backports kernel.
1917 [15:18:53] <karlpinc> redandvidya1: Your hardware working on
other distros points to a non-free firmware issue -- but that's
a guess.
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1919 [15:19:23] <redandvidya1> ehhhhh
1920 [15:19:29] <redandvidya1> i would understand if it was wifi
1921 [15:19:36] <redandvidya1> but the thing is with debian ALL
networking is slow
1922 [15:19:42] <redandvidya1> even ethernet
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1924 [15:20:01] <redandvidya1> with the slow internet that it
gives I can render google in 30 seconds, no image
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1927 [15:20:13] <redandvidya1> interestingly i also had this same
issue with void linux
1928 [15:20:25] <redandvidya1> but it's a less popular
distro, so less documentation so i just gave up
1929 [15:20:33] <redandvidya1> idk why the same issue is happening
on debian
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1931 [15:20:40] <redandvidya1> anyways im on arch rn and wifi is
working
1932 [15:20:44] <redandvidya1> so :shrug:
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1934 [15:20:52] <redandvidya1> maybe it's netctl that makes
it work? idk man
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1936 [15:22:54] <black_puppydog> @karlpinc unstable. but I'm
reading up on fwupd. it doesn't seem to recognize the wifi as
updatable so far... let me spend a bit more time on this :P
1937 [15:23:05] <redandvidya1> do you have ethernet?
1938 [15:23:15] <redandvidya1> just connect it to that and then
download the firmware that way
1939 [15:23:36] <karlpinc> black_puppydog: Unstable breaks. You
want support on otfc.net in #debian-next.
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1941 [15:23:46] <karlpinc> !debian-next
1942 [15:23:46] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
1943 [15:24:04] <redandvidya1> exactly
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1945 [15:24:15] <redandvidya1> I would just like to use debian
stable for the stability
1946 [15:24:30] <redandvidya1> but the thing is debian stable
currently doesn't work at all
1947 [15:24:32] <redandvidya1> in internet
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1949 [15:24:37] <redandvidya1> debian stable free OR nonfree
1950 [15:24:47] <redandvidya1> i specifically downloaded the
nonfree image and still doesn't work
1951 [15:25:29] <karlpinc> redandvidya1: So either fuss further
with the existing install or re-install with the hardware
you're planning on using plugged in.
1952 [15:25:40] <greycat> redandvidya1: you're just spinning
in circles at this point. If you actually want help, you'll
need to tell us what the hardware is (output from lspci -nn or
lsusb).
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1955 [15:26:02] <redandvidya1> greycat karlpinc i'm not
actually running debian right now, thats the thing
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1957 [15:26:10] <redandvidya1> i'm trying to prepare on what
I need to do to get wifi working
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1959 [15:26:24] <redandvidya1> karlpinc when I did install, the
hardware wifi was already plugged in
1960 [15:26:28] <redandvidya1> and it worked during the netinstall
1961 [15:26:40] <karlpinc> redandvidya1: lspci -nn and lsusb
should both work enough to give us the uuid/usb id.
1962 [15:26:40] <redandvidya1> only during post install which all
networking didnt work
1963 [15:26:45] <black_puppydog> @karlpinc yeah but honestlys, I
can work around the wifi sucking. I'm more interested right now
in how firmware is handled in debian and why it didn't get
updated for so long. I honestly never spent time looking into this
(not my profession nor hobby to fix wifi, I guess some here can
relate) so I'm quite surprised that there seems to be no
automatic firmware "pipeline" from the intel releases
through the
1964 [15:26:47] <black_puppydog> iwlwifi-firmware package to the
actual device.
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1966 [15:27:14] <redandvidya1> karlpinc okay, but beware that the
results are from an arch system
1967 [15:27:16] <black_puppydog> but I'm clearly lacking in
knowledge on how firmware is handled at all. thanks for the pointers
already :)
1968 [15:27:19] <redandvidya1> hopefully shouldnt change much
1969 [15:27:19] <TheFirstGoodmaN> Hi, maybe someone can gave ma
hint, i am using watchdog `5.15-2` with debian `9.11` and i have set
a sigterm-delay to wait beofre sending a sigkill, but it is always
waiting this delay. a normal reboot works instantly so there should
be no process he is should be waiting for. How could i debug this?
Or is someone aware of this?
1970 [15:27:44] <karlpinc> black_puppydog: Maybe you need to file
a bug report with the firmware package so that they put the new
firmware in. (Or maybe what's in debian only works with the old
firmware, or....)
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1972 [15:28:05] <redandvidya1> karlpinc
replaced-url
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1974 [15:28:40] <black_puppydog> @karlpinc that's kind of
what I was gonna ask. :P
1975 [15:29:13] <karlpinc> black_puppydog: File a bug report or
look on packages.debian.org for the package maintainers and
communicate with them.
1976 [15:29:40] <black_puppydog> okay, will do. thanks :)
1977 [15:29:50] <karlpinc> black_puppydog: Maybe somebody here
knows, but you'll have to be paitent. Clearly nobody's
responding now.
1978 [15:29:52] <redandvidya1> why ALL networking is broken though
for some of us
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1980 [15:30:28] <redandvidya1> ethernet + usb tethering + wifi
broken!
1981 [15:30:30] <karlpinc> redandvidya1: Dunno. Maybe
something's borking the interrupts.
1982 [15:31:21] <karlpinc> redandvidya1: You'll get better
responses if you use a better pastebin site than pastebin.com.
1983 [15:31:24] <karlpinc> !paste
1984 [15:31:24] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this
channel. Instead, use for text:
replaced-url
1985 [15:31:31] <greycat> redandvidya1:
replaced-url
1986 [15:31:57] <greycat> karlpinc: stick /raw in the middle of
the URL. curl
replaced-url
1987 [15:32:07] <redandvidya1> I KNOW RIGHT
1988 [15:32:11] <karlpinc> greycat: Thanks.
1989 [15:32:13] <redandvidya1> but I already installed both of
those firmwares
1990 [15:32:16] <redandvidya1> and they didn't work
1991 [15:32:21] <redandvidya1> when I last tried debian
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1993 [15:32:33] <jelly> greycat: dunno about mt7601u, but mt7610u
are buggy as all hell on Linux and it's not worth wasting time
to make them work
1994 [15:32:35] <redandvidya1> so i think the network manager is
really the thing fucking it all up
1995 [15:32:38] <karlpinc> ,pciid 10ec:8168
1996 [15:32:40] <judd> [10ec:8168] is 'RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI
Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller' from 'Realtek
Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with kernel module 'r8169'
in stretch. See also
replaced-url
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1998 [15:32:51] <redandvidya1> jelly i've been using mt7601u
for months now on distros
1999 [15:33:02] <redandvidya1> i've downloaded entire 20GB
games with that driver, ON linux
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2001 [15:33:45] <jelly> redandvidya1: I've heard only bad
things from people using tp-link models on fedora, centos and debian
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2003 [15:34:17] <jelly> perhaps the chips are different enough.
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2005 [15:34:49] <redandvidya1> tp link?
2006 [15:34:54] <redandvidya1> isn't mt7601u from mediatek?
2007 [15:35:10] <greycat> It says "Ralink Technology,
Corp." in your lsusb output
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2009 [15:36:13] <greycat> I also found
replaced-url
2010 [15:36:34] <redandvidya1> huh
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2012 [15:36:47] <redandvidya1> maybe they're both?
2013 [15:37:01] <redandvidya1> my wifi adapter is literally a
small usb dongle with no brand name attached to it
2014 [15:37:08] <redandvidya1> no antennas even
2015 [15:37:13] <redandvidya1> just that small ass red dongle
2016 [15:37:14] <redandvidya1> thats it
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2018 [15:37:21] <pagios> hello, i have a soft RAID1 using mdadm
linux, i want to shutdown the machine, should i turn off the raid
before shutting down using shutdown -h now ?
2019 [15:37:24] <pagios> hello, i have a soft RAID1 using mdadm
linux, i want to shutdown the machine, should i turn off the raid
before shutting down using shutdown -h now ?
2020 [15:37:29] <Habbie> pagios, no
2021 [15:37:47] <pagios> Habbie, i just shutdown -h now ?
2022 [15:37:50] <Habbie> yes
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2025 [15:38:44] <pagios> Habbie, another question i want to
receive an email when something goes wrong with my raid, so i edited
mdadm.conf /etc and put my mail, can i safely do a restart for the
service using service mdadm restart or will it affect the state of
the raid?
2026 [15:38:53] <Habbie> restart should be fine
2027 [15:39:06] <redandvidya1> debian free or nonfree?
2028 [15:39:08] <pagios> should i configure any email deamon or so
on my machine?
2029 [15:39:20] <pagios> i mean to sen the mails
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2032 [15:40:19] <karlpinc> pagios: You should install some MTA
like postfix or exim4. When you install (or dpkg-reconfigure) you
tell it you're using a "smart host" and give it the
information necessary to send outbound email from your local box to
whatever email service delivers your email.
2033 [15:40:21] <pagios> Habbie, or does mdadm have some built in
email client/server and does not need config?
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2035 [15:40:24] <pagios> ok
2036 [15:40:24] <jelly> pagios: install and configure a tiny MTA
like "msmtp-mta" or "dma" if you want mail from
mdadm sent to your actual address
2037 [15:40:33] <pagios> got it
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2039 [15:40:45] <karlpinc> pagios: Yeah. A tiny MTA is good.
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2045 [15:40:52] <pagios> the mta needs to relay to some other
servers or can it be a mail server by itself?
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2047 [15:41:33] <redandvidya1> anyways
2048 [15:41:36] <karlpinc> pagios: Unless you know enough to be
able to configure your mail systems so that the Internet knows
you're not sending spam it is best to relay through a service
that knows how to do this.
2049 [15:41:49] <pagios> i dont mind receiving it as spam
2050 [15:41:50] <redandvidya1> is there still ANYWAY to fix the
terrible debian internet
2051 [15:41:51] <pagios> i can whitelist it
2052 [15:42:06] <karlpinc> pagios: Up to you.
2053 [15:42:06] <pagios> i mean msmtp-mta can run its tiny server/
2054 [15:42:12] <pagios> ?
2055 [15:42:36] <redandvidya1> if it matters
2056 [15:42:49] <redandvidya1> I have a gigabyte ga-h61m-ds2
motherboard
2057 [15:42:50] <redandvidya1> with ethernet
2058 [15:42:50] <karlpinc> redandvidya1: There is if you try
installing and then explore and explain the details of the problem.
Otherwise just kvetching here won't get you anywhere.
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2060 [15:43:14] <pagios> karlpinc, i need a tiny mta that sends
mails from the server itself, instead of relay to some other parties
2061 [15:43:19] <jelly> pagios: msmtp-mta has to be configured to
send messages over your existing mail account (eg. gmail or
live.com, or wherever your mail service is hosted)
2062 [15:43:20] <pagios> should i go with dma?
2063 [15:43:25] <redandvidya1> I want to be prepared before
install
2064 [15:43:30] <pagios> yea jelly i dont want that
2065 [15:43:42] <redandvidya1> Last time I was stuck in 3 hours
trying to figure out why Network is broken
2066 [15:43:56] <pagios> i mainly want the email to be sent from
the server itself
2067 [15:44:06] <redandvidya1> so can u blame me
2068 [15:44:22] <tomreyn> pagios: see also my response to your
cross-post in #ubuntu
2069 [15:44:39] <pagios> i replied
2070 [15:44:47] <jelly> pagios: from the server itself... to
WHERE?
2071 [15:45:12] <tomreyn> ... and #linux
2072 [15:45:13] <jelly> pagios: if you want mail delivered to
local mailbox, you can still use dma and read it with, say, mutt.
2073 [15:45:19] <pagios> jelly, from the server itself to my gamil
2074 [15:45:21] <pagios> gmail
2075 [15:45:40] <jelly> pagios: that's what msmtp-mta can do
for you.
2076 [15:45:41] <pagios> so that my local server acts like a tiny
email server
2077 [15:46:18] <pagios> jelly, yes but as i understood msmtp-mta
relays the mails to my actual gmail account, and from gmail account
it goes to my destination
2078 [15:46:23] <jelly> pagios: but you need to configure it to
login with your user and pass to gmail's submissions or smtps
service, and then to send email to your own address.
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2080 [15:46:52] <jelly> pagios: "relays the mails to my
actual gmail account, and from gmail account it goes to my
destination" the destination can also be that same gmail
account.
2081 [15:47:33] <jelly> so you basically tell it to send mail as
you, to you
2082 [15:47:39] <jelly> and that's fine.
2083 [15:47:41] <pagios> yes so it cant go like root@MYIP ->
localmailserver port 25 (SEND not RELAY) ANY destination email
server -> destination-email-account?
2084 [15:48:03] <jelly> pagios: that has not worked for the last
15 years, sadly
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2086 [15:48:15] <pagios> even if i get that in spam i dont mind
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2089 [15:48:21] <redandvidya1> what if I just install debian but
commandline? wil lthat mean anything
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2091 [15:48:35] <redandvidya1> or maybe if I just install netctl
and then a bare desktop environment
2092 [15:48:44] <greycat> If you want a real MTA that really sends
mail, instead of relaying everything through a smart host,
that's great. Totally fine. Just set up the MX records
correctly in your DNS domain, probably make sure you have a valid
PTR record pointing from your static IP to your domain name, and
most receivers will be happy.
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2095 [15:49:21] <greycat> redandvidya1: installing only Standard,
and not a DE, typically means you will not install N-M. Whether
that's relevant here I don't know.
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2097 [15:49:33] <pagios> greycat, ust set up the MX records
correctly in your DNS domain, probably make sure you have a valid
PTR record pointing from your static IP to your domain name, and
most receivers will be happy. <--- those are for avoiding spam,
but i dont mind that
2098 [15:49:36] <jelly> pagios: you don't want to set up your
own actual mail server that sends mail over SMTP itself. Managing a
mail server on internet is a pain and a full time job.
2099 [15:49:39] <redandvidya1> yeah ill try that
2100 [15:49:44] <redandvidya1> thanks!
2101 [15:49:51] <jelly> pagios: instead of that, use a null mailer
like msmtp.
2102 [15:49:55] <greycat> Especially in light of that debian forum
post that said you have to edit the N-M configs, which was just flat
out assuming the OP was using N-M.
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2104 [15:50:19] <greycat> pagios: no, those are for the RECEIVER
to not think that YOU are a spammer.
2105 [15:50:20] <pagios> jelly, ok so with msmtp i can send from
my server instead of relaying to a smarthost?
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2107 [15:50:29] <pagios> greycat, yes i get that
2108 [15:50:30] <redandvidya1> wait so just to be sure
2109 [15:50:34] <redandvidya1> ill download
2110 [15:50:43] <redandvidya1> nonfree live debian stable
standard?
2111 [15:50:44] <jelly> pagios: no. you use a smarthost in a smart
manner, with authentication.
2112 [15:50:46] <redandvidya1> just to be ssure
2113 [15:50:53] <greycat> redandvidya1: NOT LIVE
2114 [15:50:57] <pagios> jelly, greycat he said it is doable
2115 [15:51:03] <greycat> JEEESUS, were you installing from a LIVE
image?!
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2117 [15:51:13] <redandvidya1> wait what
2118 [15:51:22] <jelly> pagios: but all the apps on your server
will think they're using a local mta that sends mail dierctly.
2119 [15:51:23] <pagios> greycat, what is the name? a nullmailer
the one that sends without relaying to smarthost?
2120 [15:51:27] <redandvidya1> i didn't install from live
image last time
2121 [15:51:31] <greycat> OK, good.
2122 [15:51:39] <redandvidya1> and internet still didn't work
2123 [15:51:41] <redandvidya1> so eh
2124 [15:51:51] <redandvidya1> whats so bad about live images?
curious
2125 [15:52:02] <greycat> !live install
2126 [15:52:05] <greycat> meh
2127 [15:52:22] <redandvidya1> !live
2128 [15:52:22] <dpkg> [live] The Debian Live project provides
pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own.
These can be used to install a Debian system (although the installer
is better to use). Live images are available from
replaced-url
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2130 [15:52:31] <redandvidya1> !liveinstall
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2132 [15:52:59] <redandvidya1> the last time I did do netinstall
in standard i couldn't download internet
2133 [15:53:06] <pagios> <greycat> If you want a real MTA
that really sends mail, instead of relaying everything through a
smart host, that's great. Totally fine. Just set up the MX
records correctly in your DNS domain, probably make sure you have a
valid PTR record pointing from your static IP to your domain name,
and most receivers will be happy. <-- what software can do this?
2134 [15:53:13] <annadane> the live image is meant for live image
stuff (though it does include calamares now). the installer is for
actual installing
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2136 [15:53:15] <greycat> postfix, exim4, sendmail, etc.
2137 [15:53:17] <redandvidya1> or more specifically connect to the
internet
2138 [15:53:25] <redandvidya1> oh hello annadane
2139 [15:53:42] <redandvidya1> still deciding how to install
debian with...working internet xD
2140 [15:53:47] <annadane> you're probably missing firmware,
try using the non free image
2141 [15:53:52] <redandvidya1> its probably the network manager
thats broken
2142 [15:53:58] <redandvidya1> uhhh
2143 [15:54:07] <redandvidya1> i'm rav30 / rav31
2144 [15:54:11] <redandvidya1> from last month?
2145 [15:54:12] <jelly> pagios: let me emphasize: you DON'T
WANT to run a mail server like that. Not if your goal is getting
notificaions from mdadm when a disk dies.
2146 [15:54:13] <redandvidya1> or was it last week
2147 [15:54:14] <redandvidya1> idk
2148 [15:54:22] <annadane> i don't remember you, so that
doesn't help
2149 [15:54:29] <greycat> if it's *just* N-M that's
broken, all you have to do is make sure the interface is configured
in /etc/network/intefaces, and N-M will not touch that interface at
all
2150 [15:54:29] <redandvidya1> LOL
2151 [15:54:46] <redandvidya1> i'm not really sure if nm is
broken anyways
2152 [15:54:52] <redandvidya1> all i know is that i've
installed the right firmware
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2155 [15:55:03] <redandvidya1> and internet still doesn't
work (ethernet, usb, wifi)
2156 [15:55:10] <redandvidya1> so that leaves the network manager
2157 [15:55:14] <redandvidya1> i also had this issue in void
2158 [15:55:25] <pagios> jelly, why not
2159 [15:55:28] <greycat> You're STILL going in circles.
2160 [15:55:39] <greycat> Just repeating the things you've
already said, over and over.
2161 [15:55:48] <greycat> Do the install, or don't do the
install.
2162 [15:56:01] <redandvidya1> the thing is i have no other method
of communication
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2164 [15:56:15] <redandvidya1> so i cant troubleshoot
2165 [15:56:33] <annadane> can you not just use a live image and
check dmesg | grep firmware and see if you are actually missing any
firmware? because that's the first thing i would check
2166 [15:57:00] <greycat> They CLAIMED that they had the firmware
installed, and it was still "extremely slow".
2167 [15:57:12] <redandvidya1> I did though!
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2169 [15:57:31] <redandvidya1> I had this issue last week / last 2
weeks and I literally went here
2170 [15:57:34] <redandvidya1> and talked about it
2171 [15:57:47] <redandvidya1> I installed firmware-realtek and
firmware-nonfree, still slow internet
2172 [15:57:49] <redandvidya1> "
2173 [15:58:02] <redandvidya1> By slow internet I mean, 1880 bytes
per second
2174 [15:58:14] <redandvidya1> I can render google, no title
image, but thats it
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2176 [15:58:19] <Fox> that's more than enough for ssh :)
2177 [15:58:31] <greycat> 09:31 greycat> redandvidya1:
replaced-url
2178 [15:58:41] <greycat> 09:57 redandvidya1> I installed
firmware-realtek and firmware-nonfree
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2183 [15:59:18] <redandvidya1> Doesn't buster already have
4.19?
2184 [15:59:22] <jelly> pagios: it's a lot of constant work
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2186 [15:59:28] <redandvidya1> And the firmware was implemented in
4.2
2187 [15:59:31] <greycat> 09:58 greycat> firmware-ralink and
firmware-misc-nonfree
2188 [15:59:33] <redandvidya1> So it doesn't make any sense
2189 [15:59:40] <greycat> 09:57 redandvidya1> I installed
firmware-realtek and firmware-nonfree
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2191 [15:59:57] <pagios> jelly why is that its only for sending
emails
2192 [15:59:59] <pagios> not receiving
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2194 [16:00:07] <pagios> i just want to send a small notification
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2196 [16:00:39] <annadane> just to be pedantic there isn't a
firmware-nonfree. you have firmware-misc-nonfree and
firmware-linux-nonfree
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2199 [16:00:52] <greycat> And "ralink" and
"realtek" are different words.
2200 [16:00:56] <redandvidya1> yeah I meant misc
2201 [16:00:58] <redandvidya1> sorry
2202 [16:01:07] <annadane> so, install ralink and see if it helps?
2203 [16:01:20] <redandvidya1> eh
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2205 [16:01:27] <redandvidya1> i'm downloading the netinst
image to try rn
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2208 [16:01:33] <redandvidya1> So: just to be clear
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2210 [16:01:52] <redandvidya1> Downloading the nonfree debian
stable netinst
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2212 [16:01:58] <redandvidya1> And then I'll install the
standard version
2213 [16:01:59] <greycat> *plonk*
2214 [16:02:16] <redandvidya1> uh
2215 [16:02:22] <redandvidya1> am I doing something wrong :b
2216 [16:02:29] <Fox> redandvidya1: why the hell don't you do
what people ask you to do ? you just lost greycat, shame on you
2217 [16:02:31] <annadane> you can always manually copy over the
firmwares you need to... i forget what it is, the top level
directory of the installer or the "firmware" subfolder,
the installation guide tells you how to do it
2218 [16:02:44] <redandvidya1> Fox i'm trying
2219 [16:02:53] <redandvidya1> I don't have debian installed
on my system rn
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2221 [16:03:06] <greycat> I'm not interested in having to
reassure them 37 times in a row.
2222 [16:03:15] <redandvidya1> What I'm TRYING to do is to be
sure what to do after installing so that internet works
2223 [16:03:19] <annadane> or use the non free image. i don't
know if ralink is included in that or not or if you've tried
the non free image at all
2224 [16:03:24] <redandvidya1> I have
2225 [16:03:32] <redandvidya1> have had weird issues with it in
the past but eh
2226 [16:03:50] <redandvidya1> I'm still downloading the iso
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2230 [16:05:14] <annadane> presumably if the internet is slow then
it also means the internet will be slow during the install which is
a pain if you're using the netinst, so i'd either use
non-free image or manually copy over the firmware you need
2231 [16:05:33] <annadane> unless i'm missing something in
the explanation
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2236 [16:06:26] <redandvidya1> now
2237 [16:06:35] <redandvidya1> the internet is slow post install
2238 [16:07:00] <redandvidya1> but during netinst but it's
fast
2239 [16:07:07] <redandvidya1> er...enough as my internet can
handle
2240 [16:07:12] <redandvidya1> but still usable for downloading
stuff
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2242 [16:07:38] <B|ack0p> hi
2243 [16:07:44] <redandvidya1> hello
2244 [16:07:50] <B|ack0p> how r u all?
2245 [16:08:00] <redandvidya1> how can we help you
2246 [16:08:15] <B|ack0p> well yesterday i couldnt install a gnome
extension
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2252 [16:09:11] <B|ack0p> this one:
replaced-url
2253 [16:09:22] <redandvidya1> installing debian rn wml
2254 [16:09:33] <redandvidya1> so after i'll download
firmware and then replace the network manager?
2255 [16:10:54] <annadane> redandvidya1, my point was isn't
the netinstall also going to be slow? so you can kill two birds with
one stone and copy over the firmware before the install
2256 [16:11:45] <redandvidya1> ah
2257 [16:11:50] <redandvidya1> good idea, doing that now
2258 [16:11:56] <redandvidya1> wait huh?
2259 [16:12:00] <redandvidya1> before the install?
2260 [16:12:16] <redandvidya1> no, debian netinstall actually
works fine with my internet
2261 [16:12:27] <redandvidya1> its AFTER the install I get the
crappy internet
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2263 [16:13:10] <greycat> They claimed that the network stuff was
"not slow" during install, but was "slow" after
booting in the installed system.
2264 [16:13:18] <greycat> 30 minutes of basically that, no
details.
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2267 [16:13:36] <redandvidya1> Yeah, I don't actually have
Debian installed on my system right now
2268 [16:13:54] <redandvidya1> The point of me trying to get in
here was to know what to do AFTER I install Debian, so I can get
good internet
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2271 [16:15:10] <Fox> there's no magic answer, first install
then provide some debug info to get help
2272 [16:15:14] <wasamasa> use an extra device with internet
connectivity
2273 [16:15:16] <wasamasa> it's not hard
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2276 [16:18:45] <B|ack0p> how can i install this annoying gnome
shell extension please?
2277 [16:18:47] <B|ack0p> :/
2278 [16:19:31] <redandvidya1> the problem is that you're
using gnome
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2280 [16:19:47] <redandvidya1> jk
2281 [16:19:53] <redandvidya1> but gnome is generally
unpredictable so
2282 [16:19:54] <B|ack0p> redandvidya1: yes agree :p
2283 [16:20:01] <B|ack0p> what do you use?
2284 [16:20:06] <B|ack0p> xfce is too buggy for me
2285 [16:20:11] <redandvidya1> ecks eff see eeee
2286 [16:20:11] <B|ack0p> i tried but didnt like it
2287 [16:20:19] <redandvidya1> xfce? buggy? where?
2288 [16:20:27] <B|ack0p> panels
2289 [16:20:30] <redandvidya1> eh
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2291 [16:20:32] <redandvidya1> fair enough
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2293 [16:20:32] <B|ack0p> and some functions
2294 [16:20:43] <redandvidya1> B|ack0p try using cinnamon
2295 [16:20:45] <redandvidya1> based on gnome 3
2296 [16:20:49] <redandvidya1> but more windowsl ike
2297 [16:21:06] <B|ack0p> i want gnome2 back.
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2301 [16:22:09] <redandvidya1> Anyways, I'm going to install
Debian Stable (netinst, nonfree) now, WML
2302 [16:22:39] <B|ack0p> which one is that?
2303 [16:22:48] <greycat> mate
2304 [16:22:57] <B|ack0p> 4.19.0-6-amd64 #1 SMP Debian
4.19.67-2+deb10u2 (2019-11-11) x86_64 GNU/Linux
2305 [16:23:01] <B|ack0p> is this stable?
2306 [16:23:06] <greycat> yes
2307 [16:23:09] <B|ack0p> ok
2308 [16:23:52] <B|ack0p> to install xfce is this the correct
command? sudo apt install xfce4 ?
2309 [16:24:26] <pingfloyd> B|ack0p: use mate then
2310 [16:24:30] <greycat> !install xfce
2311 [16:24:30] <dpkg> To install <Xfce> on established
systems, ask me about <install x>, then: «apt-get
install xfce4 xfce4-goodies». To install using
Debian-Installer (if not using Xfce CD-1): from the 'Software
selection' dialog, choose "Xfce" (use space bar to
toggle selections), then "Continue"; an Internet
connection may be required to obtain these packages.
2312 [16:24:37] <pingfloyd> B|ack0p: that's basically gnome 2
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2315 [16:24:52] <B|ack0p> hmm
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2317 [16:25:25] <pingfloyd> B|ack0p: after gnome 2 was forked over
to mate
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2320 [16:25:51] <B|ack0p> cool
2321 [16:26:02] <B|ack0p> !install mate
2322 [16:26:02] <dpkg> To install <MATE> on established
systems, ask me about <install x>, then: «apt-get
install mate-desktop-environment» (for more things, also
install mate-desktop-environment-extras). To install using
Debian-Installer: from the 'Software selection' dialog,
choose "MATE" (use space bar to toggle selections), then
"Continue".
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2324 [16:26:27] <B|ack0p> what about lxde ?
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2327 [16:27:34] <pingfloyd> there's also lxqt
2328 [16:27:41] <B|ack0p> so how are they?
2329 [16:27:52] <pingfloyd> xfce is better
2330 [16:27:58] <B|ack0p> i see
2331 [16:28:15] <pingfloyd> they're even lighter than xfce
though
2332 [16:28:37] <B|ack0p> i like gnome classic look but .. that
topleft corner activity is annoying
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2335 [16:33:28] <B|ack0p> brb reboot
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2337 [16:33:37] <hilt> how to minimize window? Only right click?
2338 [16:34:01] <greycat> That depends on your window manager.
Each one does things its own way.
2339 [16:34:12] <annadane> that question implies GNOME, i'm
so sorry
2340 [16:34:30] <greycat> Some of them have a clickable widget in
the upper right corner, a la Microsoft Windows. Some of them have a
clickable pulldown menu button in the upper left corner.
2341 [16:34:31] <hilt> gnome by the way
2342 [16:34:37] <annadane> it's whatever the keyboard
shortcut for it is and also you can install an extension to get
minimize/maximize functionality
2343 [16:35:03] <hilt> ctrl + H
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2345 [16:35:27] <hilt> * super + H
2346 [16:35:40] <annadane> you found it?
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2348 [16:35:59] <hilt> yes
2349 [16:36:01] <greycat> Some of them have a clickable root menu,
with an "Iconify" or "Minimize" selection. After
choosing that from the menu, clicking the target window will
minimize it.
2350 [16:36:26] <annadane> it's not that keyboard focused
isn't nice but gnome has to confuse the heck out of new users
:/
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2354 [16:36:55] <greycat> I've never used any modern version
of GNOME. I poked around at it a little bit in the 1.x days.
2355 [16:37:15] <greycat> or maybe it was before 1.x
2356 [16:39:05] <hilt> so true
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2382 [17:01:36] <elm_> I have just released debcheckroot-v2.0:
replaced-url
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2385 [17:01:54] <elm_> if anyone wants to test or discuss the tool
I am currently online.
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2392 [17:04:09] <TheFirstGoodmaN> Has someone a hint for me.
2393 [17:05:18] <TheFirstGoodmaN> I am struggeling with watchdog,
it always waits the sigterm-delay even if it seems there is no
process which is not terminating. How could i debug such an issue? I
tried verbose but there is no logging after it reboots the system.
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2407 [17:14:30] <jelly> TheFirstGoodmaN: maybe ask in a kernel
related channel
2408 [17:14:50] <jelly> TheFirstGoodmaN: like #kernelnewbies on
irc.oftc.net
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2411 [17:15:19] <TheFirstGoodmaN> @jelly i try, thanks!
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2420 [17:26:10] <Abdullah> E: Could not get lock
/var/cache/apt/archives/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily
unavailable)
2421 [17:26:12] <Abdullah> E: Unable to lock directory
/var/cache/apt/archives/
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2426 [17:27:56] <OerHeks> looks like you have a packetmanager
open, and terminal trying to do something
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2434 [17:32:24] <Abdullah> OerHeks: yeah
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2467 [17:55:24] <jelly> Abdullah: are you root doing that, and
which command was it?
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2498 [18:13:02] <thomas1> bonsoir j'ai un petit probleme avec
apt: j'ai un dépot perso mais que j'ai
changé ma clef GPG j'ai cette erreur:W: Le fichier
configuré
« recompiled/binary-amd64/Packages » ne sera
pas pris en compte car le dépôt « replaced-url
2499 [18:13:43] <diogenes_> !fr | thomas1
2500 [18:14:01] <diogenes_> !fr
2501 [18:14:01] <dpkg> Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez
rejoindre le canal #debian-fr or #debian-quebec. Francophone users:
for help in french, please go to #debian-fr or #debian-quebec.
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2503 [18:14:10] <thomas1> désolé
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2505 [18:14:40] <thomas1> oups sorry
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2551 [18:34:53] <jmd> I don't seem to be able to kill process
number 1.
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2553 [18:35:10] <greycat> That's expected.
2554 [18:35:16] <wasamasa> pid1 is like that
2555 [18:35:38] <jhutchins_wk> jmd: Why did you think you wanted
to?
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2559 [18:36:05] <jmd> jhutchins_wk: Please don't answer a
question with another question.
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2561 [18:36:13] <greycat> jmd: *plonk*
2562 [18:36:18] <wasamasa> it's no surprise lennart's
blog is titled "Pid Eins"
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2564 [18:37:04] <jmd> wasamasa: "lennart's blog" ?
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2566 [18:37:27] <wxb> Do I have to reboot for wifi firmware to
take effect?
2567 [18:37:31] <wasamasa> jmd:
replaced-url
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2569 [18:37:51] <jhutchins_wk> jmd: You didn't ask a
question.
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2571 [18:38:04] <diogenes_> wxb, for some yes.
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2574 [18:40:14] <wxb> diogenes_, I'm getting r8188eu 3-1:1.0:
firmware: failed to load rtlwifi/rtl8188eufw.bin (-2) in dmesg... I
installed firmware-realtek but that message persists...
2575 [18:40:27] <wxb> diogenes_, Should I reboot? Or did I get the
wrong firmware?
2576 [18:40:33] <jelly> judd: file rtlwifi/rtl8188eufw.bin
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2578 [18:40:39] <judd> Search for rtlwifi/rtl8188eufw.bin in
buster/amd64: firmware-realtek: lib/firmware/rtlwifi/rtl8188eufw.bin
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2580 [18:41:15] <jelly> wxb: you probably need to either unload
the module and modprobe it again, or reboot
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2582 [18:41:44] <jelly> the file exists in debian 10's
firmware-realtek package, says bot
2583 [18:41:58] <wxb> jelly, Reboot is probably simpler. I must
admit that I'm disappointed that the dongle doesn't have
free firmware :(
2584 [18:42:31] <wxb> going for a reboot. brb
2585 [18:42:40] <jelly> precious few chips have free firmware.
2586 [18:42:52] <wxb> jelly, Alas. Orders of evil....
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2591 [18:45:21] <jmd> jelly: Then buy the precious few. Ask the
salesman when you buy!
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2600 [18:47:15] <wxb> Okay - so the firmware loaded! I now get a
new entry in ls /sys/class/net # : enp0s25 lo wls3 wlx00e04c792dfa
2601 [18:47:26] <wxb> How can I select the dongle and not the
internal wifi card?
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2603 [18:49:00] <Ankman> wxb: what app do you use to connect?
should have a pull down menu now allowing you to select the source
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2605 [18:50:02] <wxb> Ankman, Network manager
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2611 [18:52:04] <Ankman> can only guess here
2612 [18:53:50] <Ankman> when you click "wifi not
connected" and then "wi-fi-settings" you can select a
MAC address. may be (i only have one card so can't be sure) you
can select the MAC address of the device you want
2613 [18:54:04] <StyXman> after a few hours I'm going to ask
again
2614 [18:54:21] <StyXman> there are many id3 tag editors in
debian, but do you know of any (preferably gui) that also can
organize files based on them? like id3ren, but maybe better
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2618 [18:55:02] <wxb1> Ankman, I think it worked :) Thank!
2619 [18:55:05] <wxb1> *thanks
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2622 [18:55:32] <Ankman> yw
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2626 [18:56:27] <Ankman> but thank the guy recommending to install
firmware
2627 [18:56:29] <Ankman> aww
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2631 [18:57:03] <Ankman> StyXman: i used id3tag (text only) for
mp3
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2633 [18:57:34] <thiras> hello. I've a situation little
complex. I need to create /var/lib/postgresql directory before
installing postgres service. So there is no way to chown before
installing postgres. I'm wondering to know if APT overrides the
ownership of the file while installing?
2634 [18:57:35] <Ankman> there is a gui app called easytag which
also allows to add meta data to m4a, ogg and other formats
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2637 [18:58:31] <Ankman> it has a bug though i reported years ago
which was never fixed. if an m4a file for example has an *.mp3
extension it will destroy the file
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2640 [19:00:04] <StyXman> Ankman: the question is if I can later
rename the file based on the tags
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2647 [19:01:28] <Ankman> StyXman: what do you mean with organise?
2648 [19:02:10] <StyXman> wxb1: if you want hw that's
definitely free, check
replaced-url
2649 [19:02:30] <StyXman> Ankman: using the file's tag,
rename the file based on those, like
2650 [19:02:40] <Ankman> umm, well renaming should be no problem.
just keep the file type intact
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2653 [19:03:22] <greycat> I cannot imagine why you'd expect a
GUI for a mass-renaming tool.
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2656 [19:05:24] <StyXman> greycat: well, I kinda developed such a
thing, but it was a music player with integrated tag edition and
renaming
2657 [19:05:36] <Ankman> StyXman: ah, renaming based on the meta
tag
2658 [19:05:40] <StyXman> but it's been years since I stopped
writing it
2659 [19:05:42] <Ankman> when i do
2660 [19:05:44] <StyXman> Ankman: yes
2661 [19:05:56] <Ankman> mpv -ao null -endpos 0:00
Herbie_Hancock_-_Rockit.mp3 | grep Artist
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2663 [19:06:04] <StyXman> and I need to port it to py3 and pyqt5
but two kids, so
2664 [19:06:11] <Ankman> it returns " Artist: Herbie
Hancock"
2665 [19:06:24] <StyXman> Ankman: yeah, I guess I could do
something like that
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2667 [19:06:32] <StyXman> ok, thanks for the input
2668 [19:06:40] <Ankman> with some cut and stuff you could put
this together
2669 [19:06:42] <Ankman> yw
2670 [19:06:44] <StyXman> it's just that I miss my old
project :-(
2671 [19:06:47] <wxb2> greycat, I think some people, myself
included, are more comfortable with GUIs.
2672 [19:07:19] <greycat> if the *only* thing the tool does is a
one-time mass renaming, developing a GUI for it is overkill and a
waste of time
2673 [19:07:26] <StyXman> well, I prefer cli if I need to automate
it and I always have a terminal open, but GUIs can be useful too
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2676 [19:07:46] <StyXman> greycat: well, the point is, it would
not on;y do that
2677 [19:08:01] <greycat> Also, for getting the metadata
("tag") info, there's ffprobe.
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2681 [19:09:24] <greycat> Sadly, it doesn't normalize the
headers between formats. You get "artist" on an MP3 and
"ARTIST" on an Ogg. :-/
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2683 [19:09:53] <EdePopede> for text based operation the
"G" isn't really needed. some of them (think K3b; or
mpv usind youtube-dl) use cli tools to do their operations. often a
couple of scripts or oneliners are enough, maybe with some wrapper
script to have them ready in one place. or something ncurses based.
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2685 [19:10:13] <StyXman> well, I do have the code in python, I
guess I can build a tool with that
2686 [19:10:20] <EdePopede> argh. sounds like a bug that should be
fixed
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2689 [19:10:58] <Ankman> here i cannot grep with ffprobe. the
output appears to be *one* line
2690 [19:10:59] <wxb2> Interesting. I mean in the end there is a
difference between what developers are willing to develop, and what
certain users are capable of doing. I can see how a developer might
not want to make a GUI for a program that only does one thing, even
if many people would find it easier to use than more powerful CLI
tools.
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2696 [19:14:01] <jelly> thiras: it does, all non-root non-default
ownerships and permissions are set when package installation scripts
are run
2697 [19:14:32] <EdePopede> wxb2: a developer may not even see the
need, with time the scripts and oneliners become bigger and more
complex. and there are helpers like shell history and functions. and
if it is only a rather simple task of "do $x with @y" but
used often, its place would maybe be in a function reading the list
of filenames from somewhere
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2699 [19:14:57] <thiras> thank you jelly
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2704 [19:16:52] <Akuw> is there any good free proxy ?
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2706 [19:17:10] <wxb2> Akuw, If it's free it probs is selling
your :)
2707 [19:17:12] <annadane> i understand if no one knows this but
how safe is "open terminal here" in thunar (or i guess any
other file manager)? i've heard from some people it isn't
reliable when you're doing file operations
2708 [19:17:13] <jelly> thiras: you can install postgresql-common
in advance if you want it created automatically, but no actual
database brought up
2709 [19:17:16] <wxb2> *you
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2711 [19:18:11] <Akuw> hummm
2712 [19:18:12] <thiras> thanks not sure if it's help my
situation but i'll add that to test scenario
2713 [19:18:59] <jelly> Akuw: proxy like software to run, or proxy
like a service running somewhere already ready to use?
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2715 [19:19:15] <wxb2> EdePopede, Interesting. I mean, seeing as I
don't know how to code at all, I only have the GUI-user
perspective!
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2717 [19:19:21] <Akuw> second option
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2720 [19:19:37] <jelly> Akuw: Tor basically implements a proxy.
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2723 [19:20:46] <jelly> free open proxies on the internet are
discouraged.
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2727 [19:20:59] <jelly> (easily abused)
2728 [19:21:09] <annadane> that being said do realizing tor has
caveats, which are publicized (and no not the "the nsa has a
backdoor in tor" thing but just the limitations of the
technology)
2729 [19:21:14] <annadane> do realize*
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2732 [19:22:19] <annadane> good job, me, for saying the caveats
are publicized and then not link to the page i'm thinking of
because i didn't bother to look it up first and can't find
it now
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2734 [19:22:38] <EdePopede> wxb2: not necessarily. a function in a
file you could source on login, and if you mean GUI as in GTK
there's always a potential console based alternative. i always
prefered to use alsamixer over pulseaudio.
2735 [19:22:58] <annadane> anyway yes, tor is "a proxy"
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2740 [19:23:59] <wxb2> EdePopede, I must admit that some console
displays are real nice. I like htop and use it, but never the task
manager equivalent.
2741 [19:24:06] * Ankman hates pulseaudio
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2743 [19:24:33] <EdePopede> wxb2: task manager equivalent?
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2745 [19:24:45] <wxb2> Ankman, But it's heart beats for u lol
2746 [19:24:56] <Ankman> :-)
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2748 [19:25:11] <Ankman> had a hard time to remove it a decade ago
2749 [19:25:15] <wxb2> EdePopede, LXTask For example.
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2754 [19:28:37] <Ankman> i installed this debian in 2007 and
imported it into several computers after that. in 2007 PA was so CPU
hungry i could not play MP3 files
2755 [19:29:08] <annadane> it's okay for me in Buster though
does occasionally have minor glitches
2756 [19:29:26] <annadane> better than in Stretch, where i'd
merely plug in my headphones and get this screeeeeeeeeeech
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2758 [19:29:59] <EdePopede> wxb2: ah, never used it, or at least i
think so. had a look at something similar years ago and dropped it.
couldn't even have the columns keeping their width, and if the
header says "% CPU {arrow]" and the '120%' a few
lines below only needs half of the column, but it is not possible at
all to make it smaller... and then using proportional width fonts
for (mostly) numeric columns and not even align them properly.
thanks no.
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2760 [19:31:52] <Ankman> anyone using gnome?
2761 [19:32:14] <annadane> Ankman, just ask your real question
2762 [19:32:20] <Ankman> after some update i cannot switch users
anymore. the option was gone
2763 [19:32:24] <wxb2> !anyone
2764 [19:32:24] <dpkg> Please do not ask if anyone can help you,
knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'.
Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_
"does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about
<popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask>
<polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
2765 [19:32:35] <annadane> which debian branch? stable?
2766 [19:33:00] <Ankman> testing with a mix of sid
2767 [19:33:04] <Ankman> bullseye/sid
2768 [19:33:06] <annadane> !debian-next
2769 [19:33:06] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
2770 [19:33:13] <annadane> you really need to specify things like
that
2771 [19:33:24] <annadane> how is anyone going to know?
2772 [19:34:00] <Ankman> it worked with this setup since years.
just recently this option went away
2773 [19:34:08] <EdePopede>
replaced-url
2774 [19:34:10] * wxb2 thinks that sometimes one doesn't know what
others need to know to help...
2775 [19:34:12] <Ankman> when i use Mate instead it works
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2777 [19:34:27] <annadane> yeah but the default user experience is
debian stable. testing/sid can break, so ask in the appropriate
channel
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2785 [19:37:50] <Ankman> annadane: ok
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2802 [19:51:13] <YesMan> Hi
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2805 [19:51:43] <YesMan> What system backup tool are people using?
I'm looking for something dead simple that supports incremental
backups
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2807 [19:52:19] <diogenes_> try dejadup.
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2809 [19:52:46] <jmd> YesMan: "simple" and
"incremental backup" are mutually exclusive.
2810 [19:53:17] <jmd> Effective backups are also expensive!
2811 [19:53:35] <jmd> In both time and money.
2812 [19:53:51] <annadane> can't people just use cron if you
don't care all that much and just want backups?
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2814 [19:54:40] <greycat> Depends on *how* you're backing up,
too. If you're using an external device that has to be manually
attached, or inserted, or powered-on, then a cron activation may or
may not be suitable.
2815 [19:55:03] <Ankman> greycat: +1
2816 [19:55:06] <jmd> annadane: cron doesn't do backups. Cron
is a tool to periodically run tasks.
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2820 [19:55:39] <RoyK> jmd: still, unless the backup is
detachable, it's run periodically, so cron is fine
2821 [19:55:54] <annadane> ...one of those tasks being cp
/path/to/directory/i/want/to/backup /media/user/externaldrive
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2824 [19:56:13] <RoyK> annadane: or replace cp by rsync
2825 [19:56:13] <jmd> RoyK: But cron is not a backup tool.
2826 [19:56:16] <annadane> cron obviously would limit you in some
ways, it just depends on what you want
2827 [19:56:16] <greycat> rsync is more likely
2828 [19:56:21] <RoyK> jmd: I'm aware of that
2829 [19:56:23] <annadane> yeah or rsync
2830 [19:56:29] <jmd> Then why mention it?
2831 [19:56:32] <annadane> i only use cp myself
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2833 [19:56:44] <annadane> it's entirely up to the user
2834 [19:57:12] <RoyK> annadane: cp will overwrite everything if
you do an in-place backup - rsync will only update the changes
2835 [19:57:18] <jmd> cpio is the canonical backup software.
2836 [19:57:18] <diogenes_> squashfs is a good incremental
approach too.
2837 [19:57:20] <RoyK> so it saves a wee bit of time
2838 [19:57:24] <Ankman> scp -R pr0nfiles some_remote_server:
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2840 [19:57:33] <annadane> yeah i know, it just depends on what
you want
2841 [19:57:42] <annadane> but that's a good point
2842 [19:57:46] <RoyK> or just use rclone to somewhere
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2844 [19:58:06] <annadane> i guess i'm mostly just scared of
having to learn rsync's syntax :P
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2846 [19:58:32] <jmd> rsync is a huge security hole. It is not
used today for serious work.
2847 [19:58:44] <RoyK> annadane: rsync -avPHASx will help a lot
2848 [19:58:50] <annadane> stop!
2849 [19:58:54] <annadane> i quit computers.
2850 [19:58:55] <RoyK> jmd: eh?
2851 [19:59:17] <RoyK> jmd: sorry, what do you mean? rsync a
security hole?
2852 [19:59:52] <YesMan> I'd rather have partition backups
2853 [20:00:05] <RoyK> snapshots?
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2856 [20:00:25] <RoyK> partition backups work, but then your
filesystem must be stable
2857 [20:00:40] <greycat> "partition backups" and
"incremental" really don't mix, especially not with
"dead simple"
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2859 [20:00:50] <RoyK> greycat: I know
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2862 [20:01:21] <greycat> I was talking more to the person who
wanted "dead simple" "incremental"
"partition backups" ;-)
2863 [20:01:22] <RoyK> annadane: no need - jmd is probably smoking
something I'd like to try ;)
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2867 [20:02:40] <annadane> basically describe your backup needs
and then solutions/tools can be offered
2868 [20:02:45] <YesMan> It was more like dead simple to setup.
The server itself doesn't host anything critical, I just
wan't to be able to replace the system disk easily. Incremental
would be a nice addition but I can do without.
2869 [20:02:51] <annadane> my backup needs are simple, i throw out
a lot of stuff
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2874 [20:06:25] <YesMan> RoyK, what do you mean by stable
filesystem?
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2880 [20:08:50] <annadane> i guess i really didn't answer the
question :/
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2885 [20:10:17] <RoyK> YesMan: mount -o ro, perhaps
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2887 [20:10:35] <YesMan> annadane, I'm sorry did I miss
something?
2888 [20:10:36] <RoyK> YesMan: or xfs_freeze
2889 [20:10:55] <annadane> not really, just me being uselessly
philosophical
2890 [20:11:01] <revolutionary> how to switch keyboard to another
language from terminal?
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2894 [20:11:57] <mutante> revolutionary: try 'setxkbmap'
2895 [20:12:27] <mutante> followed by a 2 letter code, like
"us" "en" "fr" or something
2896 [20:12:32] <YesMan> RoyK, Yeah partition backup while system
is running isn't safe, that's what you're saying?
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2899 [20:14:10] <revolutionary> mutante: worked, thanks!
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2901 [20:15:32] <mutante> revolutionary: cool, yw
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2905 [20:17:41] <wsky> /7/7
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2911 [20:19:26] <RoyK> YesMan: yes, backing up a live filesystem
without closing files etc isn't a good idea, especially for
things like databases
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2915 [20:22:48] <revolutionary> is there any easy way to take
screenshot on Buster?
2916 [20:22:59] <revolutionary> fullscreen or partial
2917 [20:23:09] <wsky> i just press prtsc
2918 [20:23:15] <wsky> on gnome 3
2919 [20:23:16] <revolutionary> partial would be great
2920 [20:23:19] <mutante> revolutionary: use the PrtSc key
2921 [20:23:24] <wsky> really depends on de/wm you';re using
2922 [20:23:34] <mutante> revolutionary: and then press it
together with Shift
2923 [20:23:35] <revolutionary> KDE
2924 [20:23:47] <wsky> prtsc should do then
2925 [20:23:52] <revolutionary> muatante: let me try
2926 [20:23:57] <revolutionary> mutante*
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2928 [20:26:42] <revolutionary> mutante: it is not working good
because i am trying to take SS of a menu and when i pressed PrtSc
and shift menu is disappearing
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2931 [20:27:21] <ryouma> mutante: always?
2932 [20:27:27] <YesMan> So for the simplest backup I could use
CPIO or a cron cp as suggested. And I could couple that with a
manual partition backup. I'm using LVM what's the best way
to achieve this?
2933 [20:27:29] <ryouma> or only in kde?
2934 [20:27:57] <greycat> if you're building a brand new
backup, I would seriously suggest starting with rsync
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2938 [20:29:48] <mutante> revolutionary: for me it shows a pop-up
window where i can select "grab the whole desktop" or
"grab the current window" or "select area to
grab" and after i do "select area" and hit a button
my cursor changes and i can select the area. i use MATE desktop, not
KDE
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2941 [20:30:22] <mutante> ryouma: in MATE (gnome)
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2943 [20:32:44] <YesMan> greycat, but rsync will only do file
backup right?
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2945 [20:32:55] <greycat> cpio and cp also "only" do
file backups
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2947 [20:34:07] <ryouma> what is your goal in doing a byte level
backup?
2948 [20:34:33] <ryouma> it's really rare that you ever want
that, i suspect. except of course in real time for mdadm.
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2950 [20:35:40] <ryouma> and that is not hte same type of backup
2951 [20:35:40] <revolutionary> i found GIMP. But i have a
question. I wanna crop picture and paste in new file for that
cropped place. Do you know the shortcut key?
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2962 [20:38:25] <revolutionary> as i know shift+ctrl+V but not
working :S
2963 [20:38:35] <schumaml> revolutionary: this pastes as a new
layer
2964 [20:39:00] <revolutionary> hmm
2965 [20:39:14] <revolutionary> what should i do for this job?
schumaml
2966 [20:39:40] <schumaml> I have no real idea of what you want to
achieve yet
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2968 [20:39:54] <schumaml> can you show any similar example of
what you're trying to do?
2969 [20:40:30] <somiaj> revolutionary: sometimes with questions
about a specific piece of software (Such as gimp) asking their
support is more useful
2970 [20:40:44] <somiaj> but if you use the menu, dosn't the
menu give you the short cut key?
2971 [20:40:54] <schumaml> yeah, #gimp - preferably on
irc.gimp.org - might be better
2972 [20:40:55] <revolutionary> schumaml: i took a full window
screenshot with GIMP. I cropped some place with Ctrl+X and i want to
paste this cropped place in a new file.
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2974 [20:41:33] <schumaml> then you want to paste as a new image
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2976 [20:41:49] <revolutionary> yes
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2979 [20:42:37] <dataCobra> Hello everyone, I've got a
problem with one of my usb sticks.
2980 [20:42:37] <ryouma> but if you want incremental binary images
of partitions there is xdelta)
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2982 [20:43:20] <dataCobra> When I plug the usb stick in it gets
recognized but direct after this it gets disconnected
2983 [20:43:23] <schumaml> revolutionary: ah, I recalled that
wrong, it should be shift+ctrl+v
2984 [20:43:29] <dataCobra> [ 713.122345] usb 2-2: USB disconnect,
device number 13
2985 [20:43:38] <schumaml> if this doesn't work, then maybe
you desktop environment eats too many shortcuts
2986 [20:43:43] <schumaml> *your
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2991 [20:45:13] <revolutionary> schumaml doesn't work :/
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2995 [20:46:42] <schumaml> revolutionary: any particular reason
why you want to use the shortcut key instead of the menu entry? if
it is only one time or a few, then that should suffice
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3006 [20:53:18] <dataCobra> When I plug my usb stick into a USB2
Port all works fine. If I use the same usb stick on an USB3 port it
is directly disconnected
3007 [20:53:30] <dataCobra> The usb stick is a 3.0 stick
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3016 [20:59:00] <somiaj> dataCobra: You can look at the output of
dmesg (near the end) after you plug it in to see what the linux
kernel is doing.
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3020 [21:00:29] <dataCobra> Yeah I did. All seems normal. After he
recognize the stick as mass storage. This info comes up
3021 [21:00:39] <dataCobra> [ 1791.524127] usb 1-3: USB
disconnect, device number 32
3022 [21:00:51] <dataCobra> I also did a fsck
3023 [21:01:07] <dataCobra> My other devices working fully fine on
this ports
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3033 [21:08:14] <dataCobra> Does somebody has an idea?
3034 [21:08:53] <somiaj> maybe it is the actual port causing some
disconnect issue vs the drive. Do other usb devices work fine in
that port?
3035 [21:09:06] <dataCobra> Yeahj
3036 [21:09:15] <dataCobra> somiaj: Yeah, for example my kindle
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3038 [21:10:09] <somiaj> have you tried this usb drive in other
machines usb3 ports, but sounds like the kernel is recieving some
signle telling it to disconnect
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3040 [21:10:30] <dataCobra> Yeah I used it on my desktop pc
3041 [21:10:35] <dataCobra> on a usb 3 port
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3043 [21:11:52] <dataCobra> My first thought was, that
"tlp" is doing something weird on my lapto
3044 [21:11:54] <dataCobra> *laptop
3045 [21:12:12] <dataCobra> But that does not explain why the
usb-stick is not working but my kindle does
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3047 [21:12:37] <dataCobra> Maybe something with the format?
3048 [21:12:56] <dataCobra> It'a a vfat32 with Partition Type
W95 F32
3049 [21:13:00] <karlpinc> dataCobra: If it's the desktop
running something causing problems you can log out and try from a
vt. See if the problem goes away. Or even in single user mode.
3050 [21:13:05] <karlpinc> !vt
3051 [21:13:05] <dpkg> well, vt is Virtual Terminal, like the
console; change VTs using Alt+Left/Right or Alt+F1, Alt+F2 etc. To
get from X to a VT, use Ctrl+Alt+F1 (and Alt+F7 to get back, most
likely). You can also use "chvt" to switch VT. VT is also
used to mean Intel VT-x or VT-d (virtualization support; the AMD
counterpart is called AMD-V or Pacifica), ask me about <xve>.
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3054 [21:15:02] <dataCobra> Well I tried.
3055 [21:15:23] <dataCobra> I use only i3 as my DE and have no
fancy stuff running
3056 [21:15:47] <karlpinc> Does it matter what port you plug it
into?
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3058 [21:17:00] <karlpinc> dataCobra: You could also look at
/var/log/syslog and see if there's anything. (and whatever
journalctl shows)
3059 [21:17:05] <dataCobra>
replaced-url
3060 [21:17:11] <dataCobra> Thats the full dmesg outpu
3061 [21:17:19] <dataCobra> output when plugging in a usb3 port
3062 [21:17:28] <dataCobra> in an usb2 port there is no problem at
all with the stick
3063 [21:17:45] <dataCobra> gets direct detected and I can mount
it
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3066 [21:20:57] <dataCobra> That is the dmesg on the usb2 port
3067 [21:20:59] <dataCobra>
replaced-url
3068 [21:22:58] <somiaj> I don't see how the partition type
or what is on the usb stick having any affect of the kernel causing
it to disconnect the device. The kernel is recieveing some signal.
3069 [21:23:22] <karlpinc> Unless possibly somebody's put in
some strange udev rules.
3070 [21:23:36] <karlpinc> (unlikely)
3071 [21:23:41] <dataCobra> Why should there be strange udev
rules?
3072 [21:23:45] <dataCobra> :D
3073 [21:23:55] <dataCobra> I hope nobody did something bad to my
udev and laptop XD
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3077 [21:24:07] <Kobaz> i'm having a major crazy weird
problem
3078 [21:24:24] <Kobaz> su postgres -s /bin/bash
3079 [21:24:24] <Kobaz> Cannot execute /bin/bash: Permission
denied
3080 [21:24:33] <Kobaz> i can log in a root no problem
3081 [21:24:37] <dataCobra> use "
3082 [21:24:39] <Kobaz> no selinux or any of that..
3083 [21:24:46] <dataCobra> su "postgres -s /bin/bash"
3084 [21:24:50] <greycat> what is -s ...
3085 [21:24:54] <Kobaz> shell
3086 [21:24:58] <Kobaz> dataCobra: why would i use that?
3087 [21:25:10] <greycat> man page says "Run the specified
shell instead of the default". Huh.
3088 [21:25:10] <Kobaz> i just did a test... adduser foo
3089 [21:25:20] <somiaj> Kobaz: I use 'su -s /bin/bash -
postgres', unsure if order matters.
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3091 [21:25:26] <Kobaz> ssh foo@server
3092 [21:25:50] <Kobaz> Could not chdir to home directory
/home/foo: Permission denied
3093 [21:26:01] <greycat> root@wooledg:/home/wooledg# su nobody -s
/bin/bash
3094 [21:26:01] <greycat> nobody@wooledg:/home/wooledg$ id
3095 [21:26:01] <greycat> uid=65534(nobody) gid=65534(nogroup)
groups=65534(nogroup)
3096 [21:26:02] <dataCobra> What is your umask?
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3098 [21:26:18] <Kobaz> /bin/bash: Permission denied Connection to
demo1.vpn closed
3099 [21:26:25] <Kobaz> umask as room 0022
3100 [21:26:28] <Kobaz> *root
3101 [21:26:36] <greycat> umask is not relevant here. What did you
DO to this computer?
3102 [21:26:43] <greycat> Did you remove the permissions from
/bin/bash?
3103 [21:26:43] <Kobaz> no idea
3104 [21:26:47] <Kobaz> i just stopped working
3105 [21:26:52] <somiaj> Kobaz: ls -l /bin/bash from the machine
causing problems. Order didn't matter here, both worked fine
for me.
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3107 [21:27:09] <Kobaz> did a git pull to get one file on a repo i
was updating, and then everything broke
3108 [21:27:17] <greycat> ls -ld /bin/bash
3109 [21:27:24] <la_mettrie> buster backports say i have the
latest firefox package and web-spotify says my firefox is too old.
WTF????
3110 [21:27:51] <Kobaz> -rw-r-xr-x 1 root root 1006K Nov 12 2014
/bin/bash
3111 [21:28:17] <greycat> what the heck version of ls writes
"1006K" for the size field
3112 [21:28:19] <Kobaz> er, been playing with permissions to fix
it
3113 [21:28:20] <dataCobra> Kobaz: you can use "su -"
and everything works fine?
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3115 [21:28:25] <Kobaz> lemme fiox u+x
3116 [21:28:41] <greycat> But anyway, yeah, those permissions are
wrong. Should be 755 not 655.
3117 [21:28:41] <Kobaz> i can su - as root
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3119 [21:29:03] <Kobaz> either way, o has x, just fixed it
3120 [21:29:11] <dataCobra> what is the shell your root is
currently using?
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3122 [21:29:20] <Kobaz> /bin/bash
3123 [21:29:20] <dataCobra> "echo $SHELL"
3124 [21:29:23] <somiaj> greycat: probably has some alias with -h
in there, 'ls -ldh /bin/bash' for instance.
3125 [21:29:32] <greycat> eugh
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3127 [21:30:00] <Kobaz> shell=/bin/bash
3128 [21:30:02] <dataCobra> Kobaz so it works now?
3129 [21:30:09] <Kobaz> no
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3131 [21:30:33] <greycat> /bin/ls -ld / /bin
3132 [21:30:46] <Kobaz> drwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1.8K Nov 15 15:30
/bin
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3134 [21:31:07] <Kobaz> oooh
3135 [21:31:07] <Kobaz> wtf
3136 [21:31:08] <Kobaz> how the fuck
3137 [21:31:13] <Kobaz> drwxrwx--- 1 pbx pbx 884 Nov 15 11:34 /
3138 [21:31:14] <Kobaz> okay
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3141 [21:31:25] <Kobaz> how did that happen
3142 [21:31:27] <Kobaz> okay it's working now
3143 [21:31:44] <greycat> Kobaz: I'd be more than a little
worried. Having pbx *own* the root directory is not good.
3144 [21:31:49] <somiaj> don't spam the channel with multiple
lines. Speak in full sentences.
3145 [21:31:52] <dataCobra> I had a colleague having almost the
same shit happening with his /usr dir
3146 [21:31:59] <somiaj> Kobaz: you have done some strange stuff
to your system
3147 [21:32:27] <YesMan> Hey is 100Mbs Full Duplex 200Mbs total
bandwidth or is it shared bandwidth?
3148 [21:32:39] <dataCobra> "Witch greate power, comes great
responsibility"
3149 [21:32:42] <Kobaz> haha
3150 [21:32:45] <Kobaz> uh huh
3151 [21:32:49] <dataCobra> *With
3152 [21:33:14] <greycat> Kobaz: the major concern at this point
is what *else* is broken
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3154 [21:33:28] <dataCobra> Is pbx your local user or a user from
a software?
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3157 [21:34:03] <Kobaz> local user
3158 [21:34:09] <Kobaz> for software (asterisk)
3159 [21:34:23] <dataCobra> For asterisk? :O
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3163 [21:36:07] <Kobaz> like wtf how the hell did that happen
3164 [21:36:17] <Kobaz> nothing in my history would have done that
3165 [21:36:51] <dataCobra> Someone use a vuln. against you and
gave him full access as user pbx?
3166 [21:36:57] <Kobaz> oh
3167 [21:36:59] <Kobaz> i found it
3168 [21:37:16] <dataCobra> Paste what you did. I really want to
know what happend
3169 [21:37:20] <Kobaz> errant rsync
3170 [21:37:33] <dataCobra> Post the command
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3172 [21:38:19] <Kobaz> rsync -raP /tmp/sd-vm-backup/ / --exclude
"*msg*"
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3175 [21:38:25] <Kobaz> instead of ./
3176 [21:38:34] <dataCobra> Hmmm
3177 [21:38:51] <Kobaz> drwxrwx--- 81 pbx pbx 1.6K Nov 15 11:34
/tmp/sd-vm-backup/
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3179 [21:39:01] <Kobaz> which then made /... not rx by world
3180 [21:39:03] <dataCobra> that is really really bad
3181 [21:39:06] <Kobaz> haha
3182 [21:39:07] <Kobaz> i know!
3183 [21:39:07] <greycat> what's underneath that?
3184 [21:39:11] <Kobaz> voicemail
3185 [21:39:17] <Kobaz> just a few directories, like 20
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3187 [21:39:32] <greycat> any of them named "bin" or
"lib" or "usr" or ...?
3188 [21:39:34] <somiaj> Still dosn't explain why /bin/bash
changed permissions
3189 [21:39:38] <Kobaz> oh
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3191 [21:39:39] <Kobaz> that was me
3192 [21:39:40] <dataCobra> Sometimes a "dot" can save
the day
3193 [21:39:41] <Kobaz> fixing stuff
3194 [21:39:53] <Kobaz> i did chmod 777 /bin/bash... like holy
crap fix it
3195 [21:40:04] <somiaj> if you have a feeling more could be
messed up, a backup, reinstall could be suggested.
3196 [21:40:07] <Kobaz> and that didn't do it. so i was half
fixing it back to normal before i fixed it-fixed it
3197 [21:40:08] <dataCobra> But that is a good lesson for next
time
3198 [21:40:10] <greycat> BAD. chmod 755. As I said before.
3199 [21:40:16] <Kobaz> right. it's fixed now
3200 [21:40:19] <greycat> The permissions on /bin/bash should be
755.
3201 [21:40:21] <dataCobra> Start on the upper dir and work you
way down to your problem
3202 [21:40:30] <somiaj> still don't see why 777
woudln't work, just a very very bad idea.
3203 [21:40:45] <Kobaz> somiaj: single user system, permissions
like that wouldn't matter much
3204 [21:40:50] <greycat> It would "work" until someone
decides to exploit it and take over your whole system by backdooring
your shell.
3205 [21:40:56] <Kobaz> but still, (YES It's NOW back to
normal)
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3207 [21:41:04] <Kobaz> ^^^
3208 [21:41:13] <somiaj> so the fact Kobaz said chmod 777
didn't work, says there might still be something else going on
3209 [21:41:20] <Kobaz> right
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3211 [21:41:38] <dataCobra> His root dir was owned by pbx
3212 [21:41:42] <somiaj> though I guess chaging / to 770 would
make it so no one except owner/group could do anything.
3213 [21:41:42] <Kobaz> which is why i started tracing everything
i could, syslog, filesystem, i added a new user... i installed a new
shell
3214 [21:41:43] <greycat> somiaj: / was unsearchable by non-root
users other than pbx
3215 [21:41:51] <Kobaz> right
3216 [21:42:02] <Kobaz> that's why loggign in as pbx worked,
and postgres/anythingelse did not
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3219 [21:43:38] <dataCobra> That was the first and last time
Asterisk was freed from its cage
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3221 [21:44:53] <Kobaz> not nearly as bad as rm -rf . /
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3223 [21:45:14] <Kobaz> i read a story where someone noticed files
were going missing, killed the process but half the system was gone
3224 [21:45:37] <Kobaz> someone had an emacs session still open,
so they uploaded the tape backup binary using emacs and kick started
the restore while the system was still running
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3226 [21:45:52] <somiaj> Kobaz: we try not to put very bad things
here, even as examples, just in case some user decides to run that
to see 'how bad is it'
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3239 [21:50:13] <Kobaz> well, make backups before you try and see
how bad it is, heh
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3255 [22:01:28] <B|ack0p> which localhost server is preferred?
xampp/lampp?
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3258 [22:02:47] <B|ack0p> or any other?
3259 [22:02:56] <nkuttler> B|ack0p: to do what?
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3261 [22:03:05] <greycat> !xampp
3262 [22:03:05] <dpkg> XAMPP for Linux (formerly LAMPP) is a way
of installing lots of software that is already packaged for Debian.
Don't use XAMPP, instead use aptitude install apache2 php5
libapache2-mod-php5 php5-mysql mysql-server gettext perl
libapache2-mod-perl2 sqlite webalizer mcrypt expat proftpd libpng3
libjpeg62 ... actually, just ask me about <search>.
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3265 [22:03:23] <greycat> That's a bit outdated. It's
not php5 any more.
3266 [22:03:38] <B|ack0p> oh what do guys use nowadays?
3267 [22:03:47] <greycat> Me? nginx. ;-)
3268 [22:03:49] <B|ack0p> to test website?
3269 [22:03:59] <B|ack0p> not you i mean general :p
3270 [22:04:00] <greycat> I don't know what you mean by
"test".
3271 [22:04:01] <nkuttler> python -m http.server
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3276 [22:05:08] <B|ack0p> greycat: how do ppl test their website
offline before making them online?
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3279 [22:06:05] <nkuttler> B|ack0p: you could ask in ##php
3280 [22:06:10] <greycat> Uh... by deploying it on your personal
computer, or in a virtual machine.
3281 [22:06:43] <greycat> Or just, on the web server, but under a
different domain name. Or whatever.
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3283 [22:07:15] <B|ack0p> so no need anymore i guess
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3285 [22:07:42] <B|ack0p> i understand it is mostly for php not in
general use
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3287 [22:07:49] <B|ack0p> right?
3288 [22:08:36] <greycat> I have no idea what you're asking
at this point.
3289 [22:08:54] <B|ack0p> never mind
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3292 [22:11:47] <B|ack0p> greycat: what i am asking actually is to
host my website in localhost
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3295 [22:12:05] <greycat> On your own pc. Sure, you can do that.
Install the same packages that you intend to use on the public
server.
3296 [22:12:24] <B|ack0p> same packages which are?
3297 [22:12:41] <greycat> Whatever web server you intend to use.
Whatever dynamic content generation framework/thingy you intend to
use.
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3299 [22:12:47] <B|ack0p> html-css-js-python-sql based maybe
3300 [22:12:56] <greycat> Sure, database, etc.
3301 [22:13:10] <greycat> Whatever you intend to use in the
production environment, use the same thing in the test environment
on your pc.
3302 [22:13:11] <B|ack0p> yes
3303 [22:13:27] <B|ack0p> greycat: so no need localhost?
3304 [22:13:36] <greycat> localhost is just a name for your own pc
3305 [22:14:05] <B|ack0p> yes
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3315 [22:23:03] <ytf0rd> hlep my apt looks like this what do I do
?
replaced-url
3316 [22:23:12] <ytf0rd> help
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3319 [22:23:50] <ytf0rd> how do I fix this
replaced-url
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3349 [22:42:14] <OS-53782> /msg NickServ REGISTER
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##replaced-url
3356 [22:44:05] <jhutchins_wk> !bat
3357 [22:44:05] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with
apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information:
1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the
command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1
pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem,
and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use
replaced-url
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3359 [22:45:20] <OS-53782> /msg NickServ IDENTIFY
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3387 [23:07:45] <jfb4> listchans
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3398 [23:15:51] <annadane> WTH is greycat's quit message.
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3400 [23:15:55] <annadane> i just saw that now. lol.
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