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0[00:00:00] <magyar> ohh, I did that, the process is dqcache
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3[00:00:25] <missmbob> magyar: and service doesnt see it? odd. just use kill then i guess
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5[00:01:06] <missmbob> i'd apt-get remove personally :P
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10[00:02:10] <magyar> missmbob: no service only /usr/sbin/dqcache
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13[00:02:40] <magyar> also something "supervise dqcache"
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22[00:03:55] <magyar> systemd is a maze of fun....not
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27[00:04:41] <Papillon> I once saw systemd kill three people in a dark alley just to watch them die
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38[00:06:49] <magyar> ahh, there is something calld daemontools that start this thing
39[00:06:57] <magyar> s/calld/called
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44[00:07:53] <magyar> bye-bye inittab and initd
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87[00:35:45] <Enrico_Menotti> Ok, I have been able to do what I asked (ssh over usb). I just don't understand it... Anybody willing to explain to me? I did this: 1) connected the device via usb; 2) issued, on my computer (Debian), ifconfig usb0 192.168.2.14; 3) the device is accessible at 192.168.2.15. I completely miss what I am doing with the first command and why on the second I need an IP address incremented by 1. Just tried on the basis of
88[00:35:45] <Enrico_Menotti> what I had to do on the Mac and following some advice found over the Internet.
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126[00:49:07] <jhutchins> Enrico_Menotti: What is the "device"?
127[00:49:26] <Enrico_Menotti> It's an old tablet with a version of Debian running on it.
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129[00:49:38] <linuxthefish> so it doesn't have the same IP as your mac?
130[00:49:48] <linuxthefish> as your PC*
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132[00:50:24] <Enrico_Menotti> Well, it does not over my wlan. But I'm connecting through usb, not through wlan.
133[00:50:44] <Voldenet> Enrico_Menotti: basically, you set up a 192.168.2.0/24 network over the cable, duh
134[00:50:54] <linuxthefish> hey, does anyone know why i can't install libpythonqt-qt5? i get the error "libpythonqt-qt5 : Depends: qtbase-abi-5-3-2 which is a virtual package and is not provided by any available package"
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137[00:51:15] <linuxthefish> but i have libqt5core5a installed which provides qtbase-abi-5-3-2 replaced-url
138[00:51:28] <jhutchins> linuxthefish: Which release?
139[00:51:44] <linuxthefish> debian sid/unstable jhutchins
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141[00:51:51] <Enrico_Menotti> Voldenet Yes, I am setting a network over the cable. But I don't understand who has what address.
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143[00:51:56] <linuxthefish> it works on my other sid PC which is very strange
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145[00:52:18] <Voldenet> Enrico_Menotti: when you run "ifconfig <interface> ip" _you_ have that IP
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147[00:53:39] <Enrico_Menotti> So this means that the tablet is configured so to find my computer at 192.168.2.14?
148[00:53:52] <Enrico_Menotti> And the tablet has address 192.168.2.15?
149[00:54:01] <jhutchins> linuxthefish: You should expect that kind of problem with sid. If there isn't a bugreport, file one.
150[00:54:12] <Voldenet> Enrico_Menotti: Yes.
151[00:54:18] <jhutchins> linuxthefish: It's an error in the dependencies.
152[00:54:38] <Enrico_Menotti> One last thing: how is the IP address of the tablet set? Again on the tablet?
153[00:54:47] <linuxthefish> ah ok thanks jhutchins
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155[00:55:30] <jhutchins> If you report it you can be proud of keeping it from reaching Stable.
156[00:55:37] <Voldenet> Enrico_Menotti: Well, running 'ifconfig <interface> ip' basically sets your device to respond to arp discovery requesting that ip, so yes, pretty much.
157[00:57:38] <Enrico_Menotti> Ok, I didn't get fully this last point, but never mind. And I think the difference of 1 between the two IP's is not a mere coincidence.
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161[00:58:32] <Enrico_Menotti> But now I have another problem: copying files from the computer to the tablet without following symlinks. I am trying with scp, but I don't find the right option. Any idea? PS rsync seems not to be on the device...
162[00:59:06] <jhutchins> Enrico_Menotti: You can run rsync from either end.
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164[00:59:28] <Enrico_Menotti> But what if it is not installed on the tablet?
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173[01:02:24] <Enrico_Menotti> In fact it's not working. :(
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175[01:02:40] <jhutchins> It only has to be installed on one side, it runs over ssh just like scp.
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184[01:05:57] <`Kevin> if using rsync it is executed oh both sides
185[01:06:43] <Voldenet> Enrico_Menotti: it might be a coincidence, tbh.
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188[01:06:59] <jhutchins> kevinsan: No.
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190[01:07:17] <Voldenet> Enrico_Menotti: you could as well use 10.13.23.24/8 and 10.158.219.382/8
191[01:07:19] <jhutchins> `Kevin: No. It does not have to be installed on both systems.
192[01:07:30] <Voldenet> >382 ┐(´～`；)┌
193[01:07:35] <Voldenet> close enough
194[01:07:48] <c1a551f1ed> Voldenet: It's ipv5. ;)
195[01:08:07] <jhutchins> `Kevin: Only sshd has to be on the target system.
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197[01:08:27] <Enrico_Menotti> jhutchins ssh server?
198[01:08:41] <`Kevin> replaced-url
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200[01:08:58] <`Kevin> rysnc checksums on both sides
201[01:09:07] <Voldenet> there's no need to use rsync + set up openssh
202[01:09:21] <Voldenet> use tar + netcat, easier setup
203[01:09:38] <Voldenet> (it is harder to use and not really resumable tho)
204[01:10:02] <Enrico_Menotti> Ah ok wait... maybe I don't have rsync on the computer. Sorry, it's too late... I should go to bed. Let me just try this.
205[01:10:21] <jhutchins> Enrico_Menotti: Right.
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207[01:10:46] <jhutchins> `Kevin: It only has to be installed on one system, that's the point.
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209[01:10:55] <`Kevin> jhutchins: i just tested it,
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211[01:11:05] <missmbob> `Kevin: is right
212[01:11:14] <`Kevin> I did a apt-get purge rsync on one host, ran rsync locally to that host and it failed as per pastebin
213[01:11:26] <`Kevin> how else would checksumming etc function if rsync doesnt exist on the other side as well?
214[01:11:37] <Enrico_Menotti> No, it does not work. I have rsync on the computer. Just not on the tablet.
215[01:11:56] <jhutchins> You guys can believe what you want. I do this all day for a living.
216[01:12:05] <`Kevin> go test it
217[01:12:14] <jhutchins> I do. All the time.
218[01:12:40] <c1a551f1ed> jhutchins: Sorry, but if I try to rsync something to a system that doesn't have rsync installed, it errors out. As per the log `Kevin pasted. :/
219[01:12:41] <Enrico_Menotti> Maybe there's something else wrong in my syntax. Let me try again.
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221[01:13:06] <jhutchins> It works just like scp.
222[01:13:14] <jhutchins> If scp works, rsync works.
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225[01:13:43] <Voldenet> jhutchins: erm, wut?
226[01:13:46] <Voldenet> replaced-url
227[01:13:51] <c1a551f1ed> jhutchins: You can keep saying that all you want, but we're all telling you that our results don't match that statement. Do you invoke rsync differently?
228[01:13:57] <jhutchins> I don't know what you guys are doing, I transfer files to and from systems that don't have it installed all the time.
229[01:14:30] <Voldenet> most systems come with rsync tho
230[01:14:32] <Voldenet> ;)
231[01:14:39] <jhutchins> rsync -av <source> <target>
232[01:14:44] <psychoticwarrior> wida
233[01:15:06] <c1a551f1ed> jhutchins: Then I'm sorry, but something is different, because if I use that exact invocation to copy to a system that doesn't have rsync installed, it errors out, command not found.
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235[01:15:34] <Voldenet> replaced-url
236[01:15:42] <Voldenet> stop arguing, i just posted links
237[01:16:03] <`Kevin> jhutchins: if you have ever done a long transfer you can clearly see rsync running on both sides
238[01:16:35] <Voldenet> I dislike how I need to enable RC4 in openssh to make rsync quicker
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240[01:16:47] <`Kevin> Voldenet: yep
241[01:16:54] <jhutchins> Maybe I'm running a differnet version. The version I've used just disables the file compare and only copies files that don't exist.
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243[01:17:06] <c1a551f1ed> jhutchins: Then that's not stock rsync.
244[01:17:09] <jhutchins> Something like that.
245[01:17:12] <`Kevin> Voldenet: but that is what it is, and nc+tar is ideal there or zfs etc options
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247[01:17:27] <Voldenet> I use netcat for everything
248[01:17:31] <jhutchins> It may be the difference between distros.
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252[01:18:29] <Voldenet> but rsync is nice for incremental backups, and you kind of need it on both sides to compare lists of checksums without fetching all the files
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254[01:18:31] <Voldenet> over the wire
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256[01:19:13] <jeddi> is unison(-gtk) available on the tablet's version of debian?
257[01:19:40] <Enrico_Menotti> Ok guys, I cannot install rsync right now on the tablet due to unresolved dependencies. I should reflash it and start again from scratch. But just to transfer these files, could you please explain the tar + netcat method?
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259[01:20:02] <Enrico_Menotti> jeddi What's that?
260[01:20:27] <jhutchins> Enrico_Menotti: Why not scp if rsync doesn't work?
261[01:20:41] <Enrico_Menotti> Because it follows symlinks.
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263[01:20:51] <Enrico_Menotti> I need to avoid this.
264[01:21:20] <jeddi> Enrico_Menotti: unison-gtk is what I use to sync between several machines -- GUI client (though there's a CLI version) that tracks files (flat file of md5 checksums I think) ... uses rsync under the hood to do subsequent syncing of repositories.
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266[01:22:23] <jeddi> Enrico_Menotti: I use a combination of unison, rsync, git, and android app 'foldersync' to keep various directory structures in sync across phone, tablet, my debian desktop, two debian laptops, and an off-site backup server (also debian).
267[01:22:24] <Enrico_Menotti> Oh, I don't think that's on the tablet. In any case I don't have a GUI on the computer - just command line. (It's a standard live Debian distro).
268[01:22:48] <jeddi> It is possibly slightly too many technologies.
269[01:23:24] <jeddi> Enrico_Menotti: you don't need unison-gtk on teh tablet -- just the unison binary. like rsync, it can be started by the unison-gtk at your desktop-end of the conversation. have a look (apt-cache search unison) on the tablet.
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272[01:23:53] <jeddi> rsync can be told to not follow symlinks, right? -a or something? (been a while since i read the man page :)
273[01:24:01] <jhutchins> Enrico_Menotti: You could use find to generate a list of files and pass that list to scp.
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275[01:24:43] <Enrico_Menotti> jhutchins This seems a good idea, indeed.
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277[01:25:15] <Enrico_Menotti> I think I tried something of this kind this evening. I already forgot it.
278[01:25:51] <jhutchins> Enrico_Menotti: Check the find manpage, I'm pretty sure it can be told (or defaults to) not follow symlinks.
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281[01:26:47] <Enrico_Menotti> Yes, then how to? find | scp with some option to let scp get the input?
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283[01:28:16] <jeddi> Enrico_Menotti: scp just needs sshd (server) running at the other end.
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285[01:29:26] <Enrico_Menotti> Yes, I know, jeddi . I am able to scp. Just have problems with symlinks. Thank you, anyway.
286[01:29:28] <jeddi> I think scp will follow symlinks - just reviewing the manpage now. Once you do -r (recursive) ... you get symlink following for free.
287[01:29:30] <ryouma> gnu parallel maybe
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289[01:29:39] <ryouma> an
290[01:29:46] <jeddi> Enrico_Menotti: sorry. when you said 'let scp get the input' - what did you mean.
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293[01:30:20] <Enrico_Menotti> jeddi I mean getting the file name as an argument from the output of find.
294[01:30:28] <ryouma> find . -type f | parallel scp whatever?
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296[01:30:46] <jeddi> Enrico_Menotti: ah, gotcha, sorry.
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299[01:32:38] <Enrico_Menotti> find src | cpio -pmud dest
300[01:32:40] <ryouma> why does scp follow symlinks? is this a use case that actually exists?
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303[01:32:48] <Enrico_Menotti> From cpio manpage.
304[01:32:59] <Enrico_Menotti> I will try and then go to bed.
305[01:33:06] <jeddi> ryouma: good question, and I don't know. I tend to use scp -pr whenever I have an empty destination.
306[01:33:31] <jeddi> cpio ... crikey!
307[01:33:52] <Enrico_Menotti> Ah sorry, I need to switch to scp. But with the same syntax, more or less.
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312[01:35:46] <jeddi> Enrico_Menotti: did you check if unison package is available on tablet's debian repo?
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315[01:36:24] <Voldenet> Enrico_Menotti: replaced-url
316[01:36:26] <Voldenet> easy way
317[01:36:26] <Enrico_Menotti> No, to be honest. I will do.
318[01:36:27] <jeddi> package name should just be 'unison' for the console version.
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324[01:37:14] <jeddi> If you'll be driving all this from your normal desktop computer, the interface for unison is going to be a lot clearer than working out symlink following (or not) from scp, cpio, tar, rsync, etc.
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327[01:37:51] <jeddi> If it's not natively available, then I wouldn't bother jumping through hoops to pull it in.
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330[01:39:14] <Enrico_Menotti> jeddi But you told me that I need a GUI on the computer, right?
331[01:39:23] <Enrico_Menotti> Voldenet Thanks, I will try.
332[01:39:31] <ryouma> i found unison to be confusing
333[01:39:45] <jeddi> Enrico_Menotti: it's *easier* with the unison-gtk (gui) version on the desktop, yes ... but you can use it with just the CLI /console version installed at both ends. (I've not done this)
334[01:39:47] <Voldenet> what's unison?
335[01:40:09] <jeddi> unison has some configuration for handling symlinks, f.e.: replaced-url
336[01:40:20] <jeddi> apt-cache show unison
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338[01:40:43] <Voldenet> oh god, using implicit config files
339[01:40:51] <jeddi> or replaced-url
340[01:41:01] <jeddi> implicit? seems fairly explicit to me.
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343[01:41:31] <Voldenet> I mean - I'd always take a "simple one-line tool without any config" over anything configured
344[01:42:00] <jeddi> I don't think there's a simple one-line tool option for the problem that Enrico_Menotti has described though, is there?
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346[01:42:33] <Voldenet> tar | netcat
347[01:42:40] <Enrico_Menotti> netcat not found.
348[01:42:42] <Enrico_Menotti> Shit.
349[01:42:45] <ryouma> nc
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352[01:43:06] <jeddi> hehe .. netcat, for when you want to shoot yourself in the foot as quickly as possible. :)
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355[01:43:31] <Voldenet> eh?
356[01:43:42] <Voldenet> `tar | netcat` way is foolproof
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358[01:45:00] <Voldenet> in fact, I'm more frequently using dd | pv | gzip | netcat
359[01:45:03] <Voldenet> than just plain tar + netcat
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388[01:59:02] <blackflow> Voldenet: throw in openssl enc aes in that pipe and who needs ssh! :)
389[01:59:37] <Voldenet> blackflow: ikr? :P
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399[02:02:00] <die7> strange, postfix ignore /etc/aliases or /root/forward, issue solved by remapig of user in sender_canonical, but still strange
400[02:03:01] <Voldenet> blackflow: actually, you could use ssh in a pipe too
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402[02:03:57] <blackflow> Voldenet: I know but openssl+nc obsoletes it :)
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404[02:06:00] <Voldenet> Yeah, pretty much, you can absolutely do this! :)
405[02:06:34] <Voldenet> just in a lot of cases you don't need encryption and encryption slows everything down a lot
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407[02:07:16] <Enrico_Menotti> Ok guys, I give up for today. It's really late. Tomorrow I'll reflash the tablet, install rsync and try that way.
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409[02:07:27] <Enrico_Menotti> Good night... or whatever is the time where you are.
410[02:07:30] <Enrico_Menotti> :)
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422[02:13:51] <blackflow> Voldenet: I wouldn't say a lot. It's pretty negligible nowadays, esp. with aesni
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452[02:28:59] <Voldenet> oh, it really is fast with piping through openssl
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471[02:39:28] <blackflow> Voldenet: you can run openssl's own benchmark (openssl speed -evp -<cipher>) and see the maximum throughputs on your CPU. On a modern xeon, it's an order of magnitude more than a single HDD can read sequentially and in the range of saturation of a 10Gbps pipe
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475[02:40:45] <Voldenet> 800MB/s, pretty good
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477[02:41:11] <Voldenet> it'd cap a 10Gbit net tho
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481[02:41:44] <blackflow> and that's just one thread :)
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594[03:42:11] <numbdewd> Howdy, gang. I'm about to move in..believe it or not-finally..! ... Just..before I run DBAN (disk wiping/erasure utility) and followingly start the adventure by sliding in my fresh-burnt Debian CD..... any suggestions where a total newb should read, or pages I should have open on a laptop meanwhile, to get install done well for example?
595[03:42:33] <numbdewd> Example-- I don't know how (or what for really, properly,even..) SWAP space I should assign the box, for example.
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597[03:43:05] <numbdewd> I wish to allocate various (as would be normal...the typical setup) directories, as on any normal Linux box.
598[03:43:07] <dvs> !install guide
599[03:43:07] <dpkg> The Installation Guide for Debian 8 "Jessie" can be found at replaced-url
600[03:43:15] <numbdewd> I also want Full-disk-encryption
601[03:43:19] <missmbob> just have the install do guided partitioning. it'll pick swap size and set everything up for you
602[03:43:24] <numbdewd> Many thanks! awesome...looks very useful, will check it !
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605[03:43:40] <missmbob> installer does that easily too. you dont have to wipe first. when you encrypt the installer will wipe
606[03:43:41] <numbdewd> ..hm,sounds interesting..cool!:) Thks again!=)
607[03:43:58] <numbdewd> soon to bid my Win10 farewall,possibly for good this time...finally!! muaha..=))))
608[03:44:11] <missmbob> do you have wifi?
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610[03:44:55] <numbdewd> yep, 10+ adapters,antennas and coaxial extension cables, pci and usb (and hubs), usb extension cables even.. all kindsa network cards, (pci, usb), or for xtra ports etc.. indeed! :]
611[03:45:01] <missmbob> use the firmware iso then
612[03:45:05] <missmbob> !firmware iso
613[03:45:06] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from replaced-url
614[03:45:09] <numbdewd> oh..
615[03:45:16] <numbdewd> but I don't *really* need it, or for now anyway
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617[03:45:21] <numbdewd> I itnend to use ethernet cable
618[03:45:23] <missmbob> copy it to usb using win32diskimager
619[03:45:24] <numbdewd> that's fine, right..?
620[03:45:28] <missmbob> !win32diskimager
621[03:45:28] <dpkg> win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from replaced-url
622[03:45:51] <missmbob> just use the firmware iso anyway.
623[03:45:54] <numbdewd> I actually don't want to use WIFI, and will avoid it as much as possible eventually. It's just a possibility, and for certain boxes
624[03:46:05] <numbdewd> oh really.. k, will do then.. thanks
625[03:47:23] <numbdewd> I may try install it on an other comp shortly before I do it on my main comp.. the other one is a "core 2 duo"...any idea if that's likely a 64-bit computer..it is, isn't it?
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627[03:47:48] <missmbob> it's 64
628[03:48:00] <numbdewd> k. thx!
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632[03:48:59] <numbdewd> On my desktop-comp I plan to install this on.. it'll be replaced in some time, but.. it'll be my main comp for now and a while further. While some years old, it's still somewhat decent (for what I'd use it for anyway), and I have things like Nvidia 760 GTX, Asus STX II sound-card etc.. what's the likelihood I may not get to use any of those things with Linux..? I guess some chance...(and I'd ac
633[03:49:14] <numbdewd> ..accept that anyway). I'd eventually piick that out of the box, then, if presumed of no use anyway.
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635[03:50:00] <missmbob> everything should work fine. just ask for help here if you need it. do *NOT* install nvidia drivers from their website. that'll break debian. if needed we can walk you through the proper way to do things
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638[03:51:03] <numbdewd> oh really. k. many thanks! I'll try not exhaust the amazing resource this chan and its people is and likely mostly mess around on my own first, or dig thru Google, then.. (as such,plz do say if I talk too much, or rather ought to RTFM, or anything..:) much aprecciated. Thx again!::-]
639[03:51:59] <numbdewd> this is a "play/mess-around box" for now, and till I get new hardware btw. I'll have it enclosed in a LAN with mostly home-routers closing it in, besides some old box with OPNsense (router/fw).. no wireless. It has an SSD-disk,but despite warnings I plan on running a disk-wping software on it. Also I expect and would tolerate some system crashes and trouble with this too, for now.. - until I get n
640[03:52:04] <numbdewd> ..new hardware. :)
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642[03:53:27] <numbdewd> Will there eventually be some way for me to easily mass-deploy (thru network boot) some "base" Debian-install/setup...like "Unattended install"-sorta? I may have various boxes to setup eventually, wishing identical setup, and hope to automate some of it.. that hard?
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644[03:53:56] <numbdewd> Also, if I want a non-desktop verison as such (server), that's easy,too?
645[03:53:58] <missmbob> not hard
646[03:54:01] <missmbob> !preseed
647[03:54:01] <dpkg> [preseed] Preseeding provides a way to set answers to questions asked during the Debian installation process, to allow for a streamlined or completely automated installation. The <install guide> provides an extensive appendix on preseeding with a full example. See replaced-url
648[03:54:14] <missmbob> just dont select desktop in the installer
649[03:54:43] <numbdewd> awesome..:) Debian was actually somewhat random that I ended up choosing as my first Nix distro to try.. went try (VMs) a few others, but returned to this (Deb), as seems very nice..Hopefully what i'll stick with for good even !
650[03:54:46] <numbdewd> k
651[03:55:12] <numbdewd> (random = I mean Kali Linux kinda pushed me onto this.. getting me used to alot of the commands and everything;)
652[03:55:27] <numbdewd> ("Kali Linux" - Debian-based security-testing distro^)
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655[03:55:36] <missmbob> you're better off never using that word in here again
656[03:55:52] <numbdewd> oh..? which? sorry-I guess... may I ask why..? :o
657[03:56:00] <dvs> !lart numbdewd
658[03:56:00] * dpkg stabs numbdewd
659[03:56:08] <numbdewd> ow.hmmh
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661[03:56:32] <dTal> yeah I'm curious whether it's "random", "Kali", or "security" that's forbidden :p
662[03:56:39] <numbdewd> I am a n00b indeed ain't I.. ... that'll hopefully change tho!
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664[03:57:19] <dTal> or possibly "alot"
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709[04:24:17] <thereyougo> so I have battery in netbook and I can see its remaining capacity with "cat /proc/acpi/battery/BAT1/state", and I noticed that system turns off automatically when capacity is about 280mAh or less, so I was thinking there should be some variable that contains that number so I can change it to what is more convenient, so the system doesn't turn off when I don't want it to
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711[04:24:22] <thereyougo> I mean some sysctl variable or something, becaus I think with 280mAh capacity the system can hold up few minutes and I could need these few minutes, so I want to set it to smaller value
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755[05:02:44] <xtina> Hey guys. Hope it's OK to post this beginner question here. I'm on Debian and have a systemd service. This service calls a bash script that includes an infinite while loop
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757[05:02:55] <xtina> the systemd service ends right when it hits "while true; do"
758[05:03:10] <xtina> the service is: replaced-url
759[05:03:27] <xtina> the script it calls is: replaced-url
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761[05:03:45] <xtina> The print line before "while true; do" is in the logs. The print line after it is never reached
762[05:03:58] <xtina> journalctl shows: replaced-url
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764[05:04:21] <xtina> why does "while true; do" cause systemd to crash? the script runs just fine if I call it from the command line
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769[05:06:06] <xtina> i've also tried 'while /bin/true; do' and 'while :; do', still crashes?
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790[05:11:10] <ghnerator> hi every body ! i have a problem for change my debian time, can you help me please ??
791[05:12:30] <ghnerator> no body please ?
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796[05:13:07] <dvs> soooo.... hwclock?
797[05:13:17] <tripkin> ghnerator, sometimes it takes a while for people to respond...
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801[05:14:31] <ghnerator> tripkin: okey thank you for your response :)
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805[05:15:20] <tripkin> dvs asked you about whether the problem was related to the hardware clock...
806[05:15:21] <fata_morgana> Hello everybody. I have installed debian 8 jessie on my laptop thsi is the third time, this time i installed the non free version live cd due to my wifi was not recognized. I followed your advise and i downloaded it and installed it but still does not work. i do not know what to do ? Somebody could please guide me ?
807[05:15:34] <ghnerator> my question is: how to change the time in debian without change that of bios ?
808[05:15:55] <tripkin> ah, ghnerator, much clearer.
809[05:16:00] <ghnerator> when i use: date --set 00:00 my time in bios is also change
810[05:16:24] <ghnerator> :)
811[05:16:30] <ghnerator> * tripkin
812[05:16:40] <tripkin> So you want the system clock to stay in local time instead of universal time?
813[05:17:01] <ghnerator> yes
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815[05:17:28] <dvs> ghnerator, change line 3 of /etc/adjtime from "UTC" to "LOCAL"
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817[05:17:49] <xtina> hey guys, can anyone help me with my systemd service dying at "while true; do"?
818[05:17:55] <ghnerator> dvs: it must rebooting after please ?
819[05:18:05] <yusrideb> Hi, Desktop environments are best for development using perl on Debian ?
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821[05:18:29] <dvs> ghnerator, it would be best to check the BIOS clock afterwards
822[05:18:36] <xtina> here is my full writeup. my systemd service dies when it hits my infinite while loop: replaced-url
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825[05:19:49] <ghnerator> dvs: when i change the value in config file (/etc/adjtime) i can try to change the clock without rebooting ?
826[05:19:52] <ghnerator> *please
827[05:20:21] <dvs> ghnerator, not advised
828[05:20:45] <ghnerator> okey thank you
829[05:20:49] <ghnerator> i will try this now
830[05:21:03] <awal1> ghnerator, i use timedatectl
831[05:21:43] <ghnerator> awal1: what is the difference plz ?
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835[05:22:08] <ghnerator> dvs: so if i change now the time, my bios will be not change ?
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837[05:22:41] <ghnerator> dvs: i will try ;)
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842[05:23:40] <xtina> dvs: hi, do you mind helping me understand why my systemd service dies when it hits an infinite while loop? thanks in advance!
843[05:23:44] <xtina> replaced-url
844[05:23:50] <awal1> timedatectl set-local-rtc 0 for utc and 1 for local is same as editing adjtime file
845[05:23:53] <dvs> xtina, I don't use systemd
846[05:24:17] <xtina> dvs: oh, i see :) what's your go-to way to make a script start upon boot
847[05:24:18] <xtina> on Debian?
848[05:24:19] <numbdewd> Howdy. When initially about to download a Deb .iso, I'd wanna do that on a VM; then verifying the checksum / file-integrity as stated on the (more or less) verified secure site I obtained it from. Furthermore,I'd assume some importance of maintaining security and compartmentalization of private keys on encrypted containers, and prolly especcialy those used for verifying official Deb released..
849[05:24:22] <ghnerator> okey thank you awal1 :)
850[05:24:29] <numbdewd> .. any good guides on this,'best practice' kinds things? ..or does it seem over-kill/paranoid? thks
851[05:24:33] <xtina> I used to use rc.local but everyone told me i should be using systemd. but it's been a nightmare
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853[05:25:10] <xtina> i'd love to use something other than systemd
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855[05:25:38] <ghnerator> i reboot for view in my bios the time now.. have a good time :D
856[05:25:39] <ghnerator> ++
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859[05:25:59] <dvs> xtina, I'd use rc.local
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862[05:26:32] <xtina> dvs: OK. screw it, I'd love to ditch systemd..
863[05:26:51] <xtina> i've had people refuse to help me with my script until i put it in a systemd service, they have that much disdain for rc.local
864[05:27:10] <tripkin> fata_morgana, what is your wifi?
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866[05:27:53] <numbdewd> Are ensuring integrity, and compartmentalizing ones private keys unusual, or actually good practice and recommended..? I'd been intending to "getting into (habit of)" verifying file integrity etc. on stuff I DL , but so far haven't usually ever done.I wish to get comfy with that... shouldn't I? And possibly make various encrypted file-containers for various keys;only open when and as needed.. hm?
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868[05:29:02] <tripkin> fata_morgana, if you do not know, you can use lspci and lsusb to help find out what chipset is detected...
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870[05:30:00] <fata_morgana> RTS5229 PCI express card reader
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872[05:30:34] <fata_morgana> 02:00.0 Unassigned class [ff00]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTS5229 PCI Express Card Reader
873[05:30:57] <fata_morgana> thats is what ia am getting when i enter lspci
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875[05:31:06] <tripkin> That is the pci express card reader, no the wifi.
876[05:31:18] <fata_morgana> there is no wifi
877[05:31:18] <tripkin> Which laptop do you have? The model number?
878[05:31:22] <fata_morgana> hp
879[05:31:42] <fata_morgana> not sure it was a gift
880[05:31:54] <fata_morgana> it does not say anywhere
881[05:32:04] <tripkin> If you have no wifi, then that is why it is not detected.
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883[05:32:08] <tx> run "dmidecode | less"
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885[05:32:20] <fata_morgana> no i had mint and it was working
886[05:32:24] <tx> and see what the model is
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888[05:32:30] <tx> (dmidecode needs sudo)
889[05:33:04] <tx> under "SYstem Information" usually, thought it may also be under Base Board Info
890[05:33:08] <tripkin> Is the wifi turned on?
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892[05:33:52] <tripkin> Even if the wifi driver is not enabled, the system will still recognize it if it is physically available and enabled / turned on.
893[05:34:12] <fata_morgana> HP 450 Notebook PC
894[05:34:27] <tripkin> With my laptop, I had to find out what card Debian was seeing, then I could get the correct driver to install.
895[05:34:43] <tripkin> Ok, fata_morgana, let me look that up and see what it should have...
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897[05:34:57] <fata_morgana> i do not have any idea on how to do taht
898[05:34:59] <fata_morgana> that
899[05:35:18] <fata_morgana> thanks so much for you kind help
900[05:35:21] <fata_morgana> i will be here
901[05:35:38] <fata_morgana> at least one more hour
902[05:37:20] <xtina> dvs: everything worked when i moved from systemd to rc.local. i'll keep it there
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906[05:41:51] <tripkin> fata_morgana, could you please do 'sudo lshw' and paste the results to a pastebin - a good one to use here would be replaced-url
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909[05:43:15] <fata_morgana> it say command not found
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911[05:43:42] <awal1> apt-get install lshw 1st
912[05:43:53] <fata_morgana> ok give me one min
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918[05:44:50] <fata_morgana> sorry i will have to wait ia ma installing latex and it syas the resourse is busy
919[05:45:16] <fata_morgana> it will take me an hour at least
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943[05:55:19] <hanasaki> how to you trace the list of dns servers hit for a lookup? same idea as traceroute shows hosts in the route to a destination
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950[06:00:37] <tx> hanasaki: dig +trace
951[06:00:42] <tx> "dig +trace foo.com"
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959[06:06:35] <hanasaki> tx tired that it only showed the root servers.....
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961[06:07:23] <tx> then the hostname might not exist
962[06:07:32] <tx> are you able to tell me what you're trying to trace to?
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967[06:09:55] <yusrideb> Hi, why I using cinnamon sometimes crashes ?
968[06:10:08] <yusrideb> on debian jessie
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971[06:12:25] <yusrideb> Is there still a bug in cinnamon DE?
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974[06:13:31] <gry> yes there's a few bugs replaced-url
975[06:13:55] <gry> is one of them yours? what is the issue?
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998[06:28:30] <tripkin> fata_morgana, take your time and message me when you are ready
999[06:28:52] <fata_morgana> thank you so much
1000[06:29:00] <fata_morgana> i will do it
1001[06:29:30] <fata_morgana> as soon as i finish the latex stuff need 30 min more
1002[06:29:46] <tripkin> also, while you are doing stuff, go ahead and install lshw!
1003[06:30:06] <fata_morgana> it is saying the resuorse is busy
1004[06:30:14] <fata_morgana> i have to close the latex install
1005[06:30:21] <fata_morgana> but is is almost finishing
1006[06:30:22] <tripkin> Do it after the latex.
1007[06:30:28] <fata_morgana> and ok
1008[06:30:37] <tripkin> You can only have one installation process at a time.
1009[06:30:38] <fata_morgana> ok
1010[06:30:48] <fata_morgana> i discovered that today
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1015[06:33:15] <last1> is it possible that in Jessie, dns records aren't picked at random when there are multiple available ?
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1018[06:34:07] <last1> so if a host.domain.com has 5 A records associated with it, doing a telnet 1000 times in a row to host.domain.com, the same A record gets picked
1019[06:34:38] <bodom> last1: the should some caching involved
1020[06:35:06] <Toba> many pieces of software just pick the first one.
1021[06:35:11] <bodom> last1: so it pick a random record the first time, then it keeps it until cache expires
1022[06:35:17] <last1> which cache is that ?
1023[06:35:28] <last1> I am doing strace telnet host.domain, I see all records being returned
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1025[06:35:35] <last1> then it always picks the first one
1026[06:35:46] <last1> driving me crazy
1027[06:35:57] <Toba> if you need randomization don't try to use dns to do it
1028[06:36:03] <Toba> seriously
1029[06:36:19] <last1> granted, but is there a rule that says always pick a certain record ?
1030[06:36:29] <Toba> you clearly found one, that says the first one
1031[06:37:33] <last1> it's not even the first one
1032[06:37:36] <last1> replaced-url
1033[06:37:42] <last1> those are two strace results
1034[06:38:08] <last1> results come back in random order, yet it always picks 192.168.1.86
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1036[06:42:26] <tx> mdadm experts
1037[06:42:35] <Toba> sounds like you're having a good day tx
1038[06:42:39] <Toba> what's your emergency
1039[06:42:44] <tx> If you make a 2-disk RAID10 configuration, does it make two pairs
1040[06:42:49] <tx> or one mirrored pair? :P
1041[06:42:54] <Toba> um... don't?
1042[06:43:03] <tx> mdadm can make a 2-disk RAID10
1043[06:43:10] <Toba> but... why
1044[06:43:24] <tx> Not sure.
1045[06:43:31] <Toba> did someone already do that?
1046[06:43:37] <tx> It has the ability to.
1047[06:43:59] <Toba> Okay.
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1049[06:45:03] <Toba> I would honestly hope that it makes a mirror, not a stripe
1050[06:45:07] <Toba> but you could just do it....
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1052[06:45:20] <tx> Yeah from what I am reading it's like RAID1 but faster.
1053[06:45:22] <Toba> and figure it out based on the sie
1054[06:45:23] <tx> Which is curious.
1055[06:45:23] <Toba> size.
1056[06:45:24] <mutante> how is that possible? minimum 4 disks for RAID 10 >
1057[06:45:33] <Toba> minimum 4 disks for raid 10 that makes any sense.
1058[06:45:35] <tx> mutante: mdadm has a special RAID10.
1059[06:45:46] <tx> that allows for 2 disks, don't ask why.
1060[06:45:56] <mutante> "special RAID10" = RAID0 ?
1061[06:45:56] <Toba> make some -o loop devices and try it, if you want to know, tx
1062[06:46:03] <tx> Yeah I am now :)
1063[06:46:08] <Toba> I am curious now
1064[06:46:11] <Toba> even though I don't want to be
1065[06:46:19] <tx> sorry :P
1066[06:46:47] <mutante> they should give it a different name if it's a different thing
1067[06:46:49] <mutante> hmm
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1070[06:48:04] <tx> nearly done
1071[06:48:08] <tx> just gotta run mdadm --create
1072[06:48:36] <tx> done!
1073[06:48:43] <bodom> tx: isn't RAID10 with 2 disks a RAID0?
1074[06:49:04] <tx> nope, a RAID10 with 2 disks is apparently a fast RAID1 :P
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1076[06:49:17] <tx> replaced-url
1077[06:49:20] <tx> which is better
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1080[06:49:54] <Toba> haha
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1082[06:50:14] <tx> Okay, we're nearly done here, what if we want to add 2 more disks to make it a proper RAID10.
1083[06:50:20] <tx> Let's give that a crack.
1084[06:50:26] <Toba> that doesn't answer the question
1085[06:50:32] <Toba> how big is /dev/md10
1086[06:50:33] <Toba> and
1087[06:50:36] <Toba> how big are you loop devices.
1088[06:50:37] <tx> true
1089[06:50:39] <tx> 500mb each
1090[06:50:45] <Toba> how big is /dev/md10 showing sa
1091[06:50:49] <Toba> in fdisk
1092[06:50:59] <tx> 500
1093[06:51:01] <tx> Disk /dev/md10: 499 MiB, 523239424 bytes, 1021952 sectors
1094[06:51:08] <Toba> yup, it's a raid1 then
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1096[06:51:14] <Toba> right
1097[06:51:32] <Toba> sounds like it to me.
1098[06:51:33] <tx> I took that from the blocks in mdstat :P
1099[06:51:46] <Toba> I didn't read that part. hah.
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1104[06:53:54] <bodom> tx: by looking at md(4) it looks like RAID10 is way more complex than a simple 1+0, in fact, it also allowd for an uneven number of disks
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1112[06:55:50] <luxio> has anyone here removed systemd from debian? is it a bad idea?
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1116[06:56:22] <tx> replaced-url
1117[06:56:26] <tx> just in case you guys were curious :)
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1124[06:57:44] <bodom> luxio: I wanted to, but i gave up. Even if i also do not like it, it looks like we'll have to live with it because it has become the new standard.
1125[06:58:06] <luxio> bodom: that's not the way to think about things
1126[06:59:26] <bodom> luxio: well, i was just trying to give you some arguably useful answer
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1168[07:28:13] <Shadow_7> Is there a kernel for jessie+ that boots for an old amd sempron 3100+? The wheezy 3.2 kernel boots fine for it.
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1173[07:29:22] <Shadow_7> on a jessie install. It's my print server that I rarely use, but every available kernel for jessie (32 bit) doesn't work on it. And I've tried 64 bit USB install that also fail.
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1185[07:35:51] <itsiam> luxio: may be devuan will be solution of your problem?
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1190[07:40:39] <somiaj> luxio: debian supports using other init systems besides systemd. sysvinit can still be used (so can others, but with not as many pre provided scripts/configs)
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1247[08:21:20] <bub_> Hi, I'm wondering if anyone can help me out. I have this feeling my debian install is broken, but lets give it a last try. When I try to install a package "sudo apt-get install moria", I get "The following packages have unmet dependencies: lib64zl-dev:i386: Depends: lib64c-dev:i386"
1248[08:21:57] <bub_> It also tells me "E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution)."
1249[08:22:03] <somiaj> !bat
1250[08:22:03] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
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1252[08:22:15] <bub_> aha, ok
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1264[08:27:54] <bub_> Ok, if anyone have some time: replaced-url
1265[08:29:03] <bub_> Seems there's a nice mismatch of i386 and amd64
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1276[08:35:15] <somiaj> bub_: missing apt-cache policy lib64z1-dev
1277[08:35:19] <DMJC> has anyone in here ever generated a debian package for the nvidia non-free driver?
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1280[08:35:35] <DMJC> I'm trying to get the newer driver to build so I can install it with dpkg
1281[08:35:35] <somiaj> bub_: missing apt-cache policy lib64z1-dev:i386
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1289[08:37:53] <somiaj> lib64c-dev is a virtual package that is provided from some other -dev packages, but not all development libaries are multiarch compadable. Sounds like you have a mix of 32bit and 64bit headers that apt isn't able to figure out. One thing you could do is just remove lib64z1-dev:i386, as unsure why you are wanting this 32bit header.
1290[08:37:58] <somiaj> bub_: ^^
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1293[08:38:24] <somiaj> DMJC: how newer? What card do you have or version of the driver do you want? What version of debian are you running?
1294[08:38:38] <somiaj> DMJC: are you using the svn source for the driver to build the package?
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1297[08:39:09] <DMJC> I'm using the 378-13 driver package
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1299[08:39:21] <somiaj> ,v nvidia-kernel-dkms
1300[08:39:22] <judd> Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 304.131-1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 340.101-1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 340.101-1; jessie-backports/non-free: 375.26-1~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 375.39-1; sid/non-free: 375.39-1
1301[08:39:35] <DMJC> from the nvidia website. There's a patch which lets it build against the 4.11-rc4 kernel
1302[08:39:52] <DMJC> which I need because of a kabylake bug ;)
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1304[08:40:19] <somiaj> DMJC: replaced-url
1305[08:40:24] <DMJC> I'm running Stretch
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1309[08:40:52] <somiaj> that should make building easier, have you followed those instructions to get it from the svn repo listed there?
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1311[08:41:31] <DMJC> not yet, but working on it now
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1314[08:41:58] <DMJC> what I did was try to download the source package for my installed version and then upgrade it
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1318[08:42:55] <somiaj> I haven't tried to do that, but I belive that is the best way to build newer drivers in debian. Depending on the speed of the matainer it may be somewhat behind nvidia.com, but I saw 378 there
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1320[08:42:58] <DMJC> I've got a laptop with Intel Integrated graphics (which hang when you press capslock/numlock hence the need for a more modern kernel) There's a thunderbolt 3 to PCI-E adapter connected going to an NVIDIA card. which I got working under kernel 4.9....
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1355[08:56:41] <bub_> Wow, that was it! Removed lib64z1-dev:i386, and it's fully working again :) tyty somiaj!
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1363[08:59:08] <cef> DMJC: Which Kabylake CPU in your laptop? My desktop has an i7-7700, so somewhat interested in getting everything working with it. 4.9 in jessie-backports works "OK" for me, but not ideal (definitely not running to 100% of it's capability)..
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1365[08:59:40] <DMJC> i7-7500U but it's the Intel Iris 620 gfx with the issue afaik.
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1367[09:00:11] <DMJC> throws a FIFO underrun
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1371[09:01:06] <cef> DMJC: that makes sense... mine's got a 630
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1377[09:03:34] <cef> DMJC: still interested in how well you go with it.. esp with the intel graphics side if you go down that path.. there's definitely packages in experimental for it (suspect they're stuck there till the freeze ends and they can go into sid).
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1391[09:10:55] <buu> ok
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1394[09:11:28] <buu> I have modem -> router -> switchA -> switchB -> debian box; how come I can ping router/lan machines but not internet hosts?
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1398[09:13:18] <petemc> buu: do you have a gateway configured ?
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1400[09:13:55] <gansteed> I cannot install virtualbox from debian testing repo, it there any way to solve it?
1401[09:14:02] <buu> yes but on a different interface
1402[09:14:11] <buu> I'm trying to test a new network interface before switching over to it
1403[09:14:23] <buu> so I'm using ping -I<otherEth> google.com
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1405[09:14:39] <DMJC> cef: I've got a Razer Blade Stealth here with the Core
1406[09:14:50] <DMJC> I'm slowly documenting it and throwing it up in the Debian Wiki.
1407[09:15:01] <gansteed> # debian testing
1408[09:15:01] <gansteed> deb replaced-url
1409[09:15:01] <gansteed> deb replaced-url
1410[09:15:01] <gansteed> deb replaced-url
1411[09:15:01] <gansteed> # 3rd party
1412[09:15:01] <gansteed> deb replaced-url
1413[09:15:02] *** gansteed was kicked by debhelper (flood. Please use replaced-url
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1437[09:26:42] <AntonDerbenev> hi all. I just installed yate from source, and when I "servie yate start" it, it says:
1438[09:26:42] <AntonDerbenev> Job for yate.service failed. See 'systemctl status yate.service' and 'journalctl -xn' for details.
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1440[09:27:06] <AntonDerbenev> yet status says nothing more than Mar 31 10:26:18 PBX systemd[1]: Failed to start LSB: YATE.
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1442[09:27:23] <AntonDerbenev> any ideas where to dig/what to check please?
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1446[09:29:30] <AntonDerbenev> journalctl -xn says: replaced-url
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1449[09:30:42] <andrew2221> Hi everyone. I am returning with my bug on Jessie. Not always, but when I leave the computer, "waking up" hangs after I enter the password for quite some time (inconsistent). Never happens on startup. Opening new terminal in the meantime (CTRL+ALT+Fx) works. Where I could find the reason for that hang?
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1451[09:31:10] <coke> AntonDerbenev: my first thing in that case it to try to start the deamon by hand, maybe with verbose or debug on to see the error
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1454[09:31:31] <celyr> andrew2221, it looks like faulty hardware\kernel problem to me
1455[09:31:32] <AntonDerbenev> coke: when started manually, it works fine
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1457[09:31:44] <AntonDerbenev> even as user, but as root also
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1462[09:33:09] <AntonDerbenev> I even thinking now writing it to rc.local as workaround
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1466[09:33:55] <AntonDerbenev> andrew2221: I would dig all logs, if no other option available
1467[09:34:02] <AntonDerbenev> recent ones ofc
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1470[09:35:21] <andrew2221> AntonDerbenev, I agree, probably they are in /var/logs, but which one I should look more closely? Is there something related to GTK (Gnome) or such?
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1472[09:35:54] <AntonDerbenev> andrew2221: xorg rather
1473[09:36:03] <AntonDerbenev> I doubt it's wm fault.
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1475[09:37:02] <andrew2221> celyr, I honestly could eliminate hardware fault, since like I said, never happens on startup, and not always in GUI (desktop) neither.
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1477[09:37:24] <AntonDerbenev> andrew2221: it still could be driver fault. ATI?
1478[09:37:38] <AntonDerbenev> I mean, AMD?
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1481[09:38:50] <AntonDerbenev> andrew2221: and btw, non-reliable reproduction does not mean it can't be hardware. But even if it is hardware, driver must write it to logs and/or implement workaround
1482[09:38:50] <andrew2221> AntonDerbenev, it's plain Debian install (8.5 originally, upgraded as they were available to 8.7), no discreet video card, using the onboard one.
1483[09:39:31] <andrew2221> AntonDerbenev, I see.. Well, let me dig into the logs then, hopefully I can find something. Thank you for the tips.
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1486[09:40:33] <AntonDerbenev> btw. If it's stock VESA driver or something, it definitely could be hardware bug, especially if it's linked to sleep
1487[09:41:03] <AntonDerbenev> so specific driver (even proprietary) could resolve it
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1490[09:41:30] <andrew2221> AntonDerbenev, Idk if this helps, my cpu is Intel® Pentium(R) CPU G2030 @ 3.00GHz × 2, with 8G of RAM, and that's all, no extension cards, no nothing.
1491[09:42:02] <andrew2221> Oh, and I am using a SSD.. HDD led not showing activity while hanged.
1492[09:42:40] <AntonDerbenev> ah so it's Intel! Right. It's hardware probably then.
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1494[09:43:06] <AntonDerbenev> Intel video is buggy as hell. Maybe even switch to VESA, it will be slow, but probably less buggy
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1496[09:43:59] <AntonDerbenev> not definitely though
1497[09:44:25] <andrew2221> AntonDerbenev, Interesting... Ok. Let's see the logs first, then I will try to change the driver if I can, and will be back. Thank you very much.
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1499[09:44:56] <AntonDerbenev> andrew2221: np. But I hope others can answer too, I'm not that expert in Debian :)
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1504[09:45:44] <andrew2221> AntonDerbenev, thanks the same, now at least I have a lead/clue/hope.. :)
1505[09:45:46] <Voldenet> andrew2221: before you throw away your cpu, check it out with IPDT
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1507[09:46:48] <andrew2221> Voldenet, this is a machine at my workplace, I cannot throw it away.. :) I don't own it, just using it. That's why I rather try to resolve the issue.
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1510[09:47:19] <andrew2221> Otherwise it would be far more easier (with the option you opted against.. :) )
1511[09:47:46] <Voldenet> Hm, i'd expect it to be some problem with xorg / drivers.
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1515[09:48:49] <Voldenet> i'd try using this replaced-url
1516[09:48:53] <andrew2221> If nothing else, new Debian install will take place. One thing I forgot to mention: this strange hang happens since 1-2 weeks, it wasn't present before.
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1518[09:49:15] <andrew2221> Meaning, Debian worked just fine and as intended..
1519[09:49:16] <Voldenet> andrew2221: hm, did anyone update anything?
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1522[09:49:55] <andrew2221> Voldenet, no one other than me, and I always use the traditional apt-get update/upgrade, nothing else.
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1524[09:50:27] <Voldenet> hm, hm, well, good luck - ipdt + dmesg + /var/log/Xorg*.log
1525[09:50:56] <andrew2221> I am using Debian (more or less) since version 4.0, never had issues with it, that's why I stick to it.
1526[09:51:18] <andrew2221> Voldenet, Greatly appreciate, thank you.
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1528[09:52:12] <Voldenet> oh, in case you don't see anything in logs - run a memtest
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1530[09:52:24] <Voldenet> and check out your drive
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1551[10:02:01] <jelly> AntonDerbenev: where did you see intel video being hang-level buggy on linux?
1552[10:02:32] <jelly> if anything, it's the most stable (assuming sandybridge or newer)
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1596[10:21:02] <Soltis> Are there still extant apt repos for Debian Squeeze? Yes, I know it's ancient.
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1600[10:24:34] <g0zzy> I thought i'd added i386 architecture but dpkg isn't pulling in :i386 dependencies. How do i troubleshoot ?
1601[10:25:08] <blackflow> g0zzy: did you run apt-get update after adding the i386 arch?
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1603[10:25:13] <g0zzy> Yes
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1605[10:25:29] <g0zzy> How do i double-check it WAS added?
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1608[10:26:04] <g0zzy> Actually - no need: Hit replaced-url
1609[10:26:26] <g0zzy> So, why aren't deps being resolved on install?
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1612[10:27:24] <blackflow> g0zzy: maybe give exact example, what you were doing and what you were expecting to happen?
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1614[10:28:22] <g0zzy> Installing teamviewer. I just installed two i386 manually so i'll try to install it again and show you what happens
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1617[10:28:51] <g0zzy> sudo dpkg -i teamviewer_i386.deb
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1620[10:29:30] <blackflow> g0zzy: dpkg won't install dependencies, you have to run apt-get afterwards
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1626[10:30:56] <g0zzy> Yes, i did do that but it didn't resolve them
1627[10:31:49] <g0zzy> I seem to vaguely remember a command that fixed broken deps but can't remember the syntax
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1629[10:32:24] <blackflow> g0zzy: what do you mean by resolve? installing with dpkg should "prime" the package manager for dependencies which then get installed by running apt-get -f install. Does it list them but fails to install? Or doesn't list anything? In which case, are there any dependencies?
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1632[10:33:35] <g0zzy> I'll try that syntax
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1641[10:36:43] <g0zzy> Thanks. That did it. Was using wrong syntax earlier
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1660[10:46:47] <g0zzy> blackflow: thanks for the help
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1676[10:52:44] <blackflow> g0zzy: yw :)
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1772[11:40:33] <ewew> Hi. Is there a reason for ext4 to cause a panic when copying files with sftp ?
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1798[11:57:26] <blackflow> ewew: kernel panic? not related to sftp, could be hardware issues. what does dmesg say?
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1801[11:57:56] <ewew> first the sftp server went down on segfault and later it paniced.
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1805[11:59:14] <blackflow> ewew: the clues are in the panic backgtrace and any other kernel errors/messages before the panic
1806[11:59:20] <blackflow> *backtrace
1807[11:59:53] <ewew> im testing the ram now. first run passed all tests.
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1814[12:09:34] <atralheaven> Hi, I have problem with installing transmission daemon on debian server, I get this error: replaced-url
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1831[12:13:59] <blackflow> atralheaven: did you check the service status and journal as instructed by the output?
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1835[12:15:49] <Worki> hey, can someone explain to me what is going on here ? it seems like the chown command doesnt change anything, the permissions stay the same, but before the chown the user cant read the
1836[12:15:53] <Worki> directory, and afterwards, he can. why ? help ? replaced-url
1837[12:16:14] <atralheaven> blackflow: I didn't understand anything from it, here is the results: replaced-url
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1845[12:18:10] <Worki> here is the same 'view' from the user in question, by the way: replaced-url
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1850[12:20:27] <blackflow> atralheaven: no journal files? does journalctl -n 40 -u transmission-daemon.service show anything?
1851[12:20:35] <LiuYan> Worki: maybe the ownership of .subversion (the parent folder) belongs to other user ?
1852[12:20:55] <atralheaven> blackflow: nothing
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1854[12:22:07] <Worki> the results of ls -aln on all the top dirs: replaced-url
1855[12:23:53] <blackflow> atralheaven: is journald running? what happens if you try to manually start the daemon (systemctl start transmission-daemon.service)
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1862[12:25:59] <galex-713> what’s in there? replaced-url
1863[12:26:15] <galex-713> is there the whole content of the i386 and amd64 monoarch DVD-1 isos?
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1872[12:30:34] <krion> hello fellas
1873[12:30:53] <krion> i try to understand why some php stuff have been commented on /etc/mime.types
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1876[12:31:15] <krion> search the changelog for php occurence in it and just found one that say "add php" on 1996 ;)
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1878[12:31:24] <krion> replaced-url
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1886[12:35:48] <krion> the change occur from squeeze to wheezy
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1890[12:37:09] <krion> * removed application/x-httpd-* types (closes: 589384)
1891[12:37:12] <krion> alright
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1896[12:38:56] <Kekeke> Hey. I have this usb wireless networkcard that I was planning on using, however, I have no clue of how to get it to work? Can anyone send me a bulletproof guide that works? Kinda lost in this djungle.
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1902[12:39:52] <krion> plug it and see what dmesg is shooting first
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1917[12:43:06] <Kekeke> replaced-url
1918[12:43:10] <Kekeke> it keeps spamming this line
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1920[12:43:24] <afidegnum> who?
1921[12:43:53] <Kekeke> dmesg keeps spamming this line when I plug in the wireless usb networkcard
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1941[12:52:35] <teraflops> Kekeke: do you have the firmware-realtek package installed there?
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1950[12:57:26] <atralheaven> blackflow: it says "Job for transmission-daemon.service failed. See 'systemctl status transmission-daemon.service' and 'journalctl -xn' for details."
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1959[12:59:29] <blackflow> atralheaven: well, did you investigate the logs? is journald running? Is the service logging into a file instead of syslog?
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1963[13:00:22] <atralheaven> how can I check if journald is running?
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1970[13:02:51] <sine0> if i grabbed the latest net install what codename would it be
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1972[13:03:11] <sine0> im doing net install and need extra firmware need to know what version
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1976[13:04:45] <Kekeke> teraflops: ye looks like it. Thanks.
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1981[13:06:39] <dgriffi> does anyone know how to make Mate use a different version of the workplace switcher (ie, the one I just installed in /usr/local)?
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1986[13:09:16] <blackflow> atralheaven: systemctl status systemd-journald.service
1987[13:09:41] <atralheaven> blackflow: its running
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1996[13:11:53] <atralheaven> blackflow: I can use transmission daemon with this command: "transmission-daemon -f -t -u your_username -v your_password -w /path/to/downloaded/torrents -g /etc/transmission-daemon/" but it needs to be as root, so everything transmission downloads would be owned by root, that's actually my problem which led me to this problem that we're talking about
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2006[13:15:33] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
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2022[13:19:57] <AntonDerbenev> jelly: I've not seen it hang-level buggy, but I don't think it hangs really, rather it doesn't connect the correct out (in re to «where did you see intel video being hang-level buggy on linux?»). That's why screen stays black
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2024[13:22:42] <blackflow> atralheaven: then perhaps it's a bug with the systemd unit or default config for it, maybe worth reporting. I don't know much about transmission to offer any other solution, sorry.
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2026[13:22:56] <blackflow> atralheaven: but meanwhile you could check the relevant service configs and see if somethign can be changed.
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2028[13:23:45] <atralheaven> blackflow: mmm ok, thank you :)
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2035[13:31:48] <AntonDerbenev> which files involved in running a daemon? Anything aside from /etc/init.d/xxx, /etc/rc?.d/???xxx and temporaries from /run?
2036[13:32:18] <ksk> you cannot say that, its kinda daemon-specific imho.
2037[13:32:23] <AntonDerbenev> and, yes, /etc/default/xxx as config for init.d script
2038[13:32:40] <AntonDerbenev> well I have yate compiled (make)
2039[13:32:44] <AntonDerbenev> then make install'ed
2040[13:32:49] <AntonDerbenev> and it works when ran manually
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2043[13:33:55] <AntonDerbenev> but if I copy init script from packages/debian to /etc/init.d and do update-rc.d yate defaults
2044[13:34:00] <AntonDerbenev> it doesn't start
2045[13:34:06] <AntonDerbenev> as service
2046[13:34:24] <AntonDerbenev> journalctl -xn says: replaced-url
2047[13:35:21] <AntonDerbenev> so I want to know what system generally needs to run a service which works, if ran manually
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2053[13:37:46] <AntonDerbenev> alternative: there is trunk yate debian repository, if I install it, it runs as service (but fails to function properly)
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2057[13:38:17] <AntonDerbenev> how do I check what and where it writes when installed? So I can repeat this with yate I compiled?
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2075[13:45:52] <julius___> hi
2076[13:46:33] <julius___> which process keeps changing my /etc/resolf.conf file on a system with two interfaces, one: iface eth0 inet static and the other: iface enp4s2 inet manual
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2082[13:48:38] <MarcoNL> Hi all, I'm trying to use PXE to preseed my installations. When I boot the netboot and do ESC and insert boot: auto url=replaced-url
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2092[13:51:09] <FinalX> julius___: most likely resolvconf ?
2093[13:51:33] <julius___> is that running all the time or called by somthing else?
2094[13:52:11] <FinalX> it's a service, see /etc/resolvconf/ if it's installed
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2096[13:52:29] <FinalX> and if it's installed you probably want to edit /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base
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2100[13:54:12] <julius___> /etc/resolvconf/update.d and update-libc.d exist on my system
2101[13:54:18] <julius___> none contain the file base
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2104[13:55:23] <Shadow_7> julius___: normally the dhcp client changes /etc/resolv.conf. dhclient? or dhcpcd?
2105[13:55:39] <Shadow_7> julius___: or one of the many managers. wicd, network-manager
2106[13:56:19] <Shadow_7> julius___: each time that you get a new lease, it updates resolv.conf
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2108[13:57:26] <julius___> i actually used auditctl to find my enemy, but it shows just garbage...nothing identifying besodes some pids that arent running anymore: replaced-url
2109[13:57:36] <julius___> none of the interfaces run on dhcp
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2111[13:58:07] <julius___> on is set to manual so that pppd can use it and the other is with a static ip
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2115[13:59:19] <julius___> no output for this: ps aux |grep "dh|wicd|network|"
2116[13:59:27] <Shadow_7> julius___: did you install a dhcp daemon though? it starts by default at boot, and likely claims an interface.
2117[13:59:48] <julius___> it isnt running at the moment...and it would if it was active. right?
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2120[14:00:12] <Shadow_7> julius___: could be other related things? idk. avahi-daemon, ModemManager, ...
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2124[14:00:34] <julius___> both not running
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2126[14:00:35] <Shadow_7> I tend to stop all that cruft after boot and life gets simple again
2127[14:00:41] <fata_morgana> hello
2128[14:00:55] <Shadow_7> julius___: which gui environment?
2129[14:00:59] <julius___> whats the current way with systemd to get a list of daemon that will start at boot?
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2132[14:01:11] <julius___> Shadow_7, none.,..its a test router
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2134[14:01:20] <Shadow_7> julius___: $(service --status-all) to list what is currently running
2135[14:01:58] <Shadow_7> although ModemManager doesn't show up there and has to be stopped with systemctl
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2138[14:02:54] <Shadow_7> julius___: perhaps resolvconf is managing the /etc/resolv.conf. I tend to uninstall that one as well
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2140[14:03:15] <julius___> Shadow_7, no resolvconf running
2141[14:03:41] <julius___> dpkg -l | grep -i modem shows modemmanager as rc..what was taht again?
2142[14:03:41] <dpkg> ii | grep -i modem shows modemmanager as rc..what was taht again 2.5-14 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
2143[14:03:54] <Shadow_7> but is it installed? dpkg -l | grep -i resolv
2144[14:04:37] <julius___> not installed ..probably desinstalled that and just /etc/resolvconf remaisn
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2146[14:05:19] <Shadow_7> julius___: perhaps check date/time on /etc/resolv.conf and check /var/logs/ for what else happened at that time.
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2148[14:07:46] <julius___> Shadow_7, i changed that file manually to get dns working again
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2150[14:08:49] <Shadow_7> julius___: I tend to keep a custom resolv.conf in /root/ and cp it when issues arise.
2151[14:09:05] <julius___> gotta go to eat....thanks for your time
2152[14:09:09] <julius___> will take a look at this later
2153[14:09:35] <Shadow_7> But I have dhcpcd installed and it starts at boot like an annoying younger brother
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2235[14:49:34] <sine0> im having trouble during netinstall in terms of getting stuck in a loop. it says i have missing non-free for rtl_nic blah .fw
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2238[14:49:51] <sine0> if you have missing insert usb. I do so and then click continue and then it scans for hardware again
2239[14:50:05] <sine0> is it easy enough to install afterwards from usb
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2250[14:54:50] <sine0> sorted
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2276[15:03:54] <zxcvbn> help.. i'm using debian jessie and mate desktop, and network printers are automatically added with 'avahi-daemon' service stopped, even with 'cups' and 'cups-browsed' stopped. how printer can be added into system without cups?
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2295[15:14:43] <Texou> zxcvbn: have you tried installing system-config-printer?
2296[15:14:55] <Texou> it is a cups frontend but maybe could 9ork
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2298[15:16:38] <zxcvbn> Texou yep i installed it and it displays only cups printers and nothing with stopped cups.
2299[15:17:04] <Texou> and jhy don't you want cups?
2300[15:17:25] <zxcvbn> because something is working without cups, I want to find how it works
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2302[15:18:51] <zxcvbn> When i run Pluma (text editor - kate clone) and select 'Menu - File - Print', something immediately sends multiple dnssd packets over the network, and discovers all network printers, even with cups stopped and avahi-daemon.service and avahi-daemon.socket completely disabled
2303[15:19:02] <zxcvbn> wonder how it happens
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2307[15:21:21] <Texou> hmmm
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2309[15:21:57] <Texou> strange
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2342[15:34:03] <emucode> can you run kvm in a way that takes over entire IP that host has?
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2346[15:36:00] <emucode> host has eth0 with IP 162.251.81.139 and 162.251.81.140, and we want the guest inside kvm to have all traffic going through that .140 IP, and all packets from Internet coing to .140 should arrive to guest
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2362[15:44:58] <teraflops> emucode: you want a public ip address assigned to a guest VM? e.g use a bridge
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2364[15:45:32] <johnkeates> it doesn't have anything to do with KVM
2365[15:45:37] <teraflops> I agree
2366[15:45:37] <johnkeates> it's pure network settings
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2368[15:45:52] <johnkeates> brctl or ovs-vsctl would do it
2369[15:46:02] <johnkeates> or if you like pain, iptables2 or whatever it's called :p
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2371[15:46:14] <johnkeates> and you'd have routing instead of bridging
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2382[15:51:02] <teraflops> well, if you have a dedicated remote server in the "cloud" they do not usually allow you to make bridged networking, e.g with proxmoxVE
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2385[15:53:15] <emucode> teraflops: yeap, that is the goal
2386[15:53:38] <teraflops> emucode: then use routed networking
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2389[15:54:51] <teraflops> emucode: also depending on your needs (which you did not described) other options are available
2390[15:54:56] <emucode> teraflops: I assume the kvm command (qemu-system-...) must be run with proper flag to use such IP, instead of default user mode networking
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2392[15:56:54] <teraflops> emucode: plain qemu-kvm there?
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2396[15:58:04] <teraflops> emucode: if they do not allow bridge, no matter what you throw at qemu, it won't work
2397[15:58:25] <emucode> teraflops: yes, currently it is: kvm -m .... -smp .... -hda ... -net user,vlan=0,hostfwd=.... -net nic,vlan=0 ; that redirects one or few UDP/TCP ports, how to instead attach there entire IP
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2400[15:59:06] <teraflops> use a bridge^
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2402[15:59:13] <emucode> so kvm calls qemu-system-x86_64 -enable-kvm
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2404[16:00:12] <teraflops> emucode: if the ip is physically attached to one nic try to pci-passthough to the guest I think
2405[16:00:19] <emucode> ok. you don't happen to have example of what commands to run as root to setup such bridge on host, and what options for kvm command to use it?
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2407[16:00:36] <teraflops> emucode: internet is full of examples
2408[16:01:38] <teraflops> emucode: you still did not say whether you're using plain qemu or not?
2409[16:01:48] <teraflops> s/?/
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2413[16:03:35] <emucode> teraflops: hmm I just run (from user) command kvm ... which calls command qemu-system-x86_64 ... ; Does count as usking plain qemu right?
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2415[16:03:59] <teraflops> I think so
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2418[16:04:40] <teraflops> what I meant is if youre using something like proxmoxVE virt-manager or whatever
2419[16:04:57] <DoberMann> is there any way to define a tagged-vlan interface using a name ? i currently have to defined it with for instance "vlan 42" and then do the rename using "up ip link set vlan42 down && ip link set dev vlan42 name ntp && ip link set ntp up"
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2421[16:05:16] <jhutchins_wk> I've built a few VMs with VBox, and I never had to do ANYTHING with the networking, it just worked.
2422[16:05:22] <DoberMann> but with this workaround you can't use ifup or ifdown
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2424[16:05:37] <jhutchins_wk> Same was true with VMWare and Parallels.
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2429[16:07:46] <emucode> teraflops:just directly running this command in a shell
2430[16:07:50] <emucode> in bash
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2436[16:09:41] <BernhardPosselt> so stretch will be finished a year after ubuntu 16.04 but mostly contain the same packages
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2439[16:10:09] <BernhardPosselt> php 7.0 and python 3.5
2440[16:10:26] <missmbob> BernhardPosselt: please troll elsewhere
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2442[16:11:06] <missmbob> wow. cant believe that worked
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2444[16:11:24] <Sir_Designer> alas
2445[16:11:29] <BernhardPosselt> missmbob: well i dont get why those versions were chosen
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2447[16:11:54] <BernhardPosselt> especially not php
2448[16:12:07] <BernhardPosselt> freeze was in february right?
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2458[16:14:26] <BernhardPosselt> and soft freeze in january
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2462[16:15:04] <BernhardPosselt> both versions were released before the freeze
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2464[16:15:45] <BernhardPosselt> is there at least a page that describes the reasons behind the decisions?
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2466[16:17:46] <teraflops> emucode: then setup a bridge, do you really want me to google it for you?
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2470[16:18:30] <teraflops> replaced-url
2471[16:18:39] <meshugga> BernhardPosselt: you would need to talk to the maintainers for those packages
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2473[16:19:32] <BernhardPosselt> at least the mailing list thread is basically just "No" :D replaced-url
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2475[16:21:30] <blackflow> BernhardPosselt: stability. php 7.1 doesn't offer much benefits except to developers who want to take advantage of those few new language features. but to them, running a stable distro like Debian is probably not the best tool for the job.
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2478[16:22:09] <BernhardPosselt> right i was hoping for the return type type hints
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2480[16:22:40] <BernhardPosselt> and users will be pissed when i drop support for a version that is still in debian stable
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2482[16:23:01] <BernhardPosselt> (apart from that im using it on my server)
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2486[16:25:21] <blackflow> well you know what they say about the cake (except that it's a lie) :)
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2493[16:26:10] <blackflow> and besides, you could always whip up a container with php-fpm from unstable or testing when it lands
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2497[16:26:44] <BernhardPosselt> then i have 2 problems :D
2498[16:27:13] <BernhardPosselt> i mean python is not so much of an issue tbh
2499[16:27:47] <blackflow> indeed, most of new stuff is async, and if you really need 3.6, it's easy to build from source, python is straightforward in that regard
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2503[16:28:17] <BernhardPosselt> but php and js are still behind feature wise and missing a new major version hurts
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2506[16:28:41] <blackflow> BernhardPosselt: hurts only bleeding edge PHP app developers. is that your use case?
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2508[16:29:16] <blackflow> because unless you have in house PHP apps, anything open source and deemed portable will want to run on at least 5.3 :)
2509[16:29:41] <BernhardPosselt> usecase is nextcloud app :D
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2512[16:30:05] <blackflow> BernhardPosselt: nextcloud utilizes language feature from php 7.1?
2513[16:30:09] <blackflow> *features
2514[16:30:13] <jelly> BernhardPosselt: it's going to hurt right now, or in a year, if you need latest upstream maybe debian stable is not the right choice of OS
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2516[16:30:29] <BernhardPosselt> blackflow: no but my app could :)
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2519[16:30:39] <blackflow> ah, plugin for nextcloud
2520[16:30:55] <c1a551f1ed> BernhardPosselt: Then that's your choice to design against a version of PHP that you don't have available in your intended server platform.
2521[16:31:09] <BernhardPosselt> right, and prepare for the rage :D
2522[16:31:13] <abff> I have 7.1
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2526[16:31:46] <ws2k3> can start-stop-daemon wait until a program is actualy closed?
2527[16:31:51] <abff> BernhardPosselt if you want rolling releases why did you install stable?
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2529[16:32:09] <BernhardPosselt> abff: good point
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2531[16:32:25] <abff> sid life (y)
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2533[16:33:00] <c1a551f1ed> Ahh, yes, run a release that doesn't get security fixes for a PHP-based internet-facing solution. I love it.
2534[16:33:27] <blackflow> apparmor it
2535[16:33:49] <BernhardPosselt> i should probably just run arch on my server
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2540[16:35:24] <blackflow> good luck with that tho' :)
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2543[16:36:48] <FinalX> BernhardPosselt: what is it you want to run? 5.3? 5.6? or 7.1?
2544[16:37:10] <BernhardPosselt> ideally 7.1
2545[16:37:11] <FinalX> if 7.1, use deb.sury.org (dotdeb.org is calling it quits)
2546[16:37:20] <FinalX> I'm using deb.sury.org's PPA with debian jessie now.
2547[16:37:26] <BernhardPosselt> good point
2548[16:37:37] <abff> what I thought he was compiling for an app, okay don't run sid on a webfront
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2550[16:38:06] <FinalX> it's a well-respected repository, used by a ton of people, he's a Zend certified developer and follows the regular build scripts.. also usually releases same-day when something's up.
2551[16:38:09] <petn-randall> BernhardPosselt: If you design an application that uses a interpreter that has only been adopted by a small fraction of the linux ecosystem, adoption of you application will hurt. That it also affects Debian doesn't make it special.
2552[16:38:26] <jelly> FinalX: well respected by whom?
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2554[16:38:41] <c1a551f1ed> jelly: Remember, anecdote = data.
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2556[16:38:51] <FinalX> jelly: it's the main Ubuntu PPA for PHP developers.
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2558[16:39:13] <abff> I'm convinced
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2560[16:39:48] <BernhardPosselt> petn-randall: right, but you can take a look at the currently most used stable distros and support the lowest common denominator
2561[16:39:48] <FinalX> BernhardPosselt: if you're running a frontend .. consider sticking with native PHP-versions. I recommend the same to our developers. They also want 7.1, but 7.0 has long term support in Debian and outside repositories are maintained by -often- a single developer.
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2563[16:40:41] <petn-randall> BernhardPosselt: Then I'd go with PHP 5.3 as minimum. Look over at RH and CentOS, they've got some ancient stuff still supported.
2564[16:40:44] <jelly> yeah okay, the author's a well known dev, but I've no idea how well those packages will play in release upgrade scenarios (where dotdeb was horrible)
2565[16:41:23] <FinalX> jelly: We switched to it from dotdeb; we had our fair share of problems with a *MINOR* upgrade in dotdeb's 7.0
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2567[16:41:38] <FinalX> suddenly one extension that was compiled in the core became a seperate package
2568[16:41:40] <jelly> FinalX: on debian or ubuntu?
2569[16:41:43] <FinalX> debian
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2571[16:42:15] <jelly> whoopsies
2572[16:42:18] <FinalX> production sites breaking because of that. sury's has the same quirks as debian's had at least :p
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2574[16:42:34] <FinalX> but at least that we know, and sury didn't have an issue like that before that I know of
2575[16:42:35] <blackflow> BernhardPosselt: what petn-randall said. most used production environments are centos, debian and ubuntu lts, which means php 5.3, 5.4 and only with ubuntu 16.04, php 7.0.
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2577[16:42:43] <jelly> that's why you don't deploy patches on production without testing first
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2581[16:43:47] <nodiscc> hello, how do I close a BTS bug report? I had reported a minor bug and can't reproduce it anymore
2582[16:43:55] <c1a551f1ed> jessie is running 5.6, so there's that.
2583[16:43:55] <FinalX> jelly: unattended upgrades, but yeah, on some systems the extension was already added seperately, so it didn't notice. and we did check it on dev and staging, but someone installed it there manually so we didn't notice
2584[16:44:00] <nodiscc> 840542
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2587[16:44:54] <nodiscc> can't reproduce it on synaptic 0.84.2, looks like it's fixed
2588[16:45:01] <FinalX> currently for our webhosting infrastructure I'm running debian wheezy with a custom compiled 5.3 with Ubuntu's security patches until tomorrow, then it gets shut down. And Debian jessie with 5.6, jessie with dotdeb's 7.0 and jessie with sury's 7.1.
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2591[16:45:11] <FinalX> the jessie with dotdeb will be converted to stretch with native 7.0
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2613[16:54:22] <jhutchins_wk> Four months should be plenty of time to test a new version of a ubiquitous scripting language! Deprecate everything through 7.0!
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2625[17:03:15] <nO0b_> with jessie stable the following command fails: '# /usr/sbin/groupadd -g 333 foobar' - $? is '10'
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2629[17:04:35] <nO0b_> there is no gid 333 yet and the only flags set to /etc/group , gshadow and login.defs is 'e'
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2634[17:08:46] <nO0b_>
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2641[17:10:51] <Chrismeister> Hello, do anyone know of a good "remote screen controller" for Debian (like Teamviewer but native)? What is that type of software called?
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2644[17:11:24] <nO0b_> vncviewer?
2645[17:11:25] <blackflow> Chrismeister: something like VNC?
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2648[17:11:58] <Chrismeister> VNC, that's it!
2649[17:12:07] <walkenx> Chrismeister: teamviewer
2650[17:12:30] <Chrismeister> walkenx: I think it's based on Wine. I'm searching for a native application
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2654[17:12:55] <walkenx> no it's not
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2656[17:13:16] <Chrismeister> walkenx: Okey, maybe they've changed it. It was when I used it a couple of years ago.
2657[17:13:36] <walkenx> ohh ok
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2663[17:16:28] <walkenx> Chrismeister: finaly you are right
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2665[17:17:12] <walkenx> - the deb file on teamviewer website install a preconfigured wine script n shit
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2667[17:17:20] <Chrismeister> walkenx: Oh, It's my first time being correct about something!
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2679[17:21:37] <skrite> hey all
2680[17:21:43] <rawf> howdy
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2683[17:23:31] <skrite> was wondering if someone could recommend a good usb wifi adapter that "just works" have had the devil of a time with some i have purchased
2684[17:24:00] <rawf> Has anyone experienced this? Switching TTY's causes chromium to temporarily halt after a few seconds, resuming once you return to its TTY/X
2685[17:24:11] <rawf> skrite: what adapter do you have?
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2688[17:25:00] <skrite> rawf: gee, i actually don't know. it's at home :( but it works.... sometimes.. just drops out too often
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2690[17:25:24] <rawf> what distro?
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2693[17:26:12] <skrite> xubuntu
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2695[17:26:56] <skrite> or debian testing
2696[17:27:02] <skrite> about to install
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2699[17:27:06] <skrite> this weekend
2700[17:27:11] <rawf> I had a hard time getting an edimax USB adapter to work with debian consistently
2701[17:27:16] <rawf> debian/jessie
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2705[17:29:06] <rawf> which was realtek 8192u firmware IIRC
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2710[17:30:25] <rawf> other than that, I'm also looking for a good wifi usb adapter.
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2714[17:31:25] <petn-randall> There's a select few wifi devices that don't work with Debian out of the box. It's probably easier to select one you like, and then look up for user experiences in Debian.
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2716[17:31:46] <rawf> petn-randall: where can we find these 'user experiences in Debian'?
2717[17:31:50] <petn-randall> If it doesn't work, in 9/10 cases it's due to missing firmware.
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2719[17:32:23] <petn-randall> rawf: Just internet search "Debian <wifi model>", and you'll likely find a blog article about it.
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2723[17:32:39] <rawf> true. I was hoping for a compiled table.
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2725[17:32:53] <rawf> like there are for gpu support, etc
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2727[17:32:58] <skrite> i had just wanted to take a lazy way, order something from newegg that is plug and play and be done with it :)
2728[17:33:16] <petn-randall> rawf: That would to be humongously huge, and likely out of date.
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2730[17:34:05] <petn-randall> skrite: Well, the changes are strongly in your favour, I'd probably say you'd have a 95+% success rate if you pick a random one.
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2740[17:39:16] <skrite> petn-randall: awesome
2741[17:39:25] <skrite> will read the reviews
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2774[17:55:58] <kaffien> does debian handle mounting cifs shares differently than other distrobutions?
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2778[17:57:06] <petn-randall> kaffien: Better ask your real question.
2779[17:57:37] <kaffien> how do i mount a samba share one a debian server from another debian server?
2780[17:57:50] <kaffien> on a debian server rather
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2783[17:58:02] <kaffien> i'm also using ADS as well
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2788[17:58:53] <kaffien> one second, i will get the command I'm trying that seems to be failing.
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2792[17:59:39] <kaffien> mount -t cifs -o username=DOMAIN.LOCAL~username,password=mypassword //server/share /mountpoint
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2796[18:00:24] <kaffien> for what its worth wbinfo -u and wbinfo -g both show all the domain users and groups. -t also shows that the secret was shared properly.
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2817[18:11:34] <magonick> Hello, has anyone tried to install g++-5.x in stretch?
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2849[18:29:13] <uniTosch> is there a replacement for cinnamon-bluetooth or a generic bluetooth applet i can use instead that sticks to the taskbar in cinnamon?
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2856[18:33:25] <jhutchins_wk> kaffien: What error do you get?
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2867[18:36:26] <uniTosch> found blueman, that will do.
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2886[18:46:10] <imm> q
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2888[18:46:45] <technocf> How can I have my internal drives automatically mount on boot without requiring my root password in read-write. Even after entering my password to mount the drive using Caja it is read only.
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2893[18:48:06] <c1a551f1ed> technocf: /etc/fstab ?
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2895[18:48:37] <technocf> c1a551f1ed: How do I configure stuff in there?
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2898[18:49:15] <c1a551f1ed> !tell technocf -about fstab
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2901[18:49:36] <technocf> c1a551f1ed: Thanks.
2902[18:49:41] <c1a551f1ed> Sure thing. :)
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2904[18:50:07] <Ooze> I've got a directory in my homedir that is continually regenerated upon reboot. I suspect I've left a symlink somewhere referencing this, and that's why it's being created. Is there a way to reverse-search symlinks?
2905[18:50:46] <c1a551f1ed> Ooze: Which directory?
2906[18:50:54] <Ooze> /home/ooze/Downloads
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2908[18:51:03] <c1a551f1ed> Ooze: Running a desktop environment?
2909[18:51:07] <Ooze> I thought it was ruTorrent, but I changed the line in config
2910[18:51:14] <c1a551f1ed> Ooze: Because that's generally created by default by GNOME and the like.
2911[18:51:22] <mutante> Ooze: sounds like Gnome creates it
2912[18:51:25] <jelly> Ooze: not really, find all the symlinks and stat (or ls -l) them
2913[18:51:28] <Ooze> Yes, but this has just recently been happening I believe. I hardly launch the GUI on my server
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2915[18:51:39] <Ooze> I'll check out Gnome settings I suppose
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2922[18:53:50] <mutante> Ooze: by any chance to you have a /home/ooze/.config/user-dirs.dirs ?
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2937[18:58:21] <jhutchins_wk> ,v roundcube
2938[18:58:22] <judd> Package: roundcube on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.7.2-9+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 0.7.2-9+deb7u6; jessie-backports: 1.1.5+dfsg.1-1~bpo8+4; sid: 1.2.3+dfsg.1-3; stretch: 1.2.3+dfsg.1-3
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2940[18:58:44] <jhutchins_wk> Not on stretch?
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2942[18:58:56] <jhutchins_wk> Oh, just out of order.
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2945[18:59:38] <Ooze> Ja, Gnome was the culprit
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2954[19:03:25] <Ooze> Is there a way to review the boot log, everything that scrolls as I boot my server? I'm looking in /var/log/ but I'm not finding a boot.log, not sure what I'd be looking for
2955[19:03:32] <Ooze> Want to clean up some errors I'm seeing
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2960[19:05:04] <jhutchins_wk> Why do all the tutorials for roundcube download it from the dev site instead of installing from the repo?
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2963[19:07:21] <peteski> Hi all, sorry to bother you. I had a motherboard replaced on my laptop by a technician, however it seems when he's done this it's attempted some kind of auto-repair of the partitions (grub loader with debian / windows10).
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2965[19:07:50] <peteski> Now when I try to boot the UEFI debian grub .. I end up at some support tool (dell) :/ and an error NO_BOOT
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2967[19:08:09] <peteski> Trying to figure out what i need to do to wire the grub bootloader back up.. the windows partition loads just fine (typical)
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2972[19:08:36] <jhutchins_wk> !fixgrub
2973[19:08:36] <dpkg> To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
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2975[19:09:02] <peteski> thanks jhutchins, having a read of this now!!!
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2980[19:11:26] <peteski> Trying to remember where this stuff actually lives, it's some tiny laptop pci-ssd, so nothing seems to be under dev/sdaX
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2986[19:13:52] <peteski> got it
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3008[19:19:17] <peteski> jhutchins, thanks for the help.
3009[19:19:19] <peteski> sorted! :D
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3042[19:38:36] <shadoxx> anyone know why wiki.debian.org is giving me a 403?
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3045[19:39:10] <greycat> People report this once in a while, but nobody has ever figured out *why* AFAIK.
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3047[19:40:00] <shadoxx> let me get into that infra.
3048[19:40:15] <shadoxx> I'll fix it. i'm trying to get to pages rofl.
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3050[19:40:39] <shadoxx> It's been like this for a few days now.
3051[19:40:53] <walkenx> refresh your dns cache
3052[19:41:04] <shadoxx> I'll try that
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3057[19:44:00] <walkenx> if that doesn't work, you can try to clear your web browser cache too
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3092[20:03:58] <jhutchins_wk> Also hhts
3093[20:04:05] <jhutchins_wk> https
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3096[20:05:45] <shadoxx> tried all of that. still getting issues.
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3098[20:06:25] <shadoxx> it works on my local machine, so i'll just go with that. i wonder if i'm IP blocked, even though it's a small ISP in LA
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3101[20:07:48] <n4dir> I don't think so. Like said above: some people have that problem. Me too. I don't recall how i solved it though (probably one of the solutions proposed).
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3105[20:09:25] <jhutchins_wk> That kind of "some clients get it, others don't" suggests a load balancing system with one bad node.
3106[20:10:37] <greycat> Well, it's not round robin DNS.
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3108[20:11:32] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: Yeah, I would expect something like an F5 with an external VIP and multiple internal nodes.
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3112[20:12:49] <jhutchins_wk> Because the node responds, it doesn't get marked "down" and dropped from the pool.
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3241[21:12:33] <alekz> Has anyone experienced complete system freeze? I've tested RAM using memtest86, but tests were passed. I algo look on every possible log to look for the problem, but no luck. I know there could be a problem wiht a shoddy USB device, but I was not using any. It is not a problem with X, since the system is completely frozen, won't respond to ping or give remote ssh access.
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3244[21:12:53] <alekz> Keyboard is completely frozen as well, no change in the CAPS NUM lights if I press any of those. Tried the alt + sysrq REISUB, but not working either (and it is enabled on my kernel config).Any ideas? I'm running a Jessieamd64 updated system.
3245[21:12:54] <greycat> Which version of Debian, which kernel?
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3247[21:13:22] <alekz> greycat, don't have with me the kernel version, but the last one in the stable repos
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3249[21:13:35] <greycat> How would you possibly not have it?
3250[21:13:35] <CompWizrd> alekz: asus p8h67 motherboard?
3251[21:13:45] <alekz> no CompWizrd , gigabyte
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3253[21:13:55] <CompWizrd> h67 chipset? :)
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3255[21:14:04] <greycat> It's completely useless to come here with a half-assed problem report about a computer you don't have access to.
3256[21:14:07] <alekz> greycat, it was updated yesterday but didn't write it down, I'm at office right now :$
3257[21:14:26] <alekz> you are right greycat
3258[21:14:31] <alekz> I'll be back at night
3259[21:14:31] <alekz> :)
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3262[21:14:41] <alekz> sorry about that
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3314[21:33:12] <jhutchins_wk> alekz: Suspect thermal issues.
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3316[21:34:10] <alekz> jhutchins_wk, the case is open and I have A/C at 21°C in the room where it's located :/
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3318[21:34:34] <alekz> and two vents are clean and working like a charm as well
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3338[21:41:21] <jhutchins_wk> alekz: Open cases often cool less well than properly vented ones.
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3340[21:41:55] <jhutchins_wk> alekz: In any case, general internal heat is only one possible thermal issue. Ask somebody who knows electronics.
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3345[21:43:53] <alekz> thanks jhutchins_wk I'll ask a friend
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3361[21:57:13] <AndreasLutro> trying out debian stretch. dunst is telling me "Name Lost. Is Another notification daemon running?" - any idea what this could mean? I checked ps aux and can't find anything resembling a notification daemon
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3367[21:59:08] <AndreasLutro> seems to be a message triggered by a dbus function's callback - g_bus_own_name
3368[22:01:09] <AndreasLutro> ah, dbus-x11 was missing...
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3392[22:15:44] <Ooze> Was in earlier about /home/user/Downloads being continaully created -- it's returned. Wasn't a result of Gnome
3393[22:15:47] <Ooze> :(
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3396[22:16:29] <somiaj> Ooze: do you use chromium or firefox?
3397[22:16:55] <Ooze> I don't browse on my Debian installation, it's used mostly as a headless server
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3399[22:17:30] <missmbob> headless torrent program?
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3401[22:17:51] <`Kevin> Ooze: you can use audit to monitor creation etc
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3403[22:18:15] <`Kevin> it will provide the process
3404[22:18:44] <Ooze> Neat, that's the sort of thing I was looking for.
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3408[22:21:17] <jhutchins_wk> missmbob: Yes, he mentioned that earlier.
3409[22:21:19] <`Kevin> Ooze: be very specific in what you are looking for when setting it up, make sure it doesnt log everything under the sun
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3411[22:22:06] <tonymke> So, my friend and his fiance went on vacation - leaving his dog with her parents. They lost the dog - they flew back to try and find it. For two weeks they've been looking for this little dog in the middle of farmland wisconsin, and they just found her
3412[22:22:12] <tonymke> whoops, wrong chat
3413[22:22:15] <tonymke> but uhh enjoy that story
3414[22:22:18] <tonymke> :)
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3418[22:24:13] <AndreasLutro> I'm using a program called xflux which is telling me "Sorry, we only support 8 and 10-bit displays right now." - what could this be referring to?
3419[22:24:36] <jhutchins_wk> AndreasLutro: Your display?
3420[22:24:56] <AndreasLutro> what display? where do I get info about whatever my display is?
3421[22:25:12] <greycat> a 10-bit display? are you sure you didn't make a mistake somewhere?
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3424[22:25:58] <greycat> Typically the color depth is a multiple of 8. 8, 16, 24.
3425[22:26:09] <AndreasLutro> the program used to work on this machine under opensuse, but doesn't with debian stretch
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3427[22:26:15] <Papillon> 10 bit bit depth is a thing
3428[22:26:24] <AndreasLutro> okay, but how do I find out what depth I *am* using?
3429[22:26:31] <greycat> start with xdpyinfo
3430[22:26:40] <jhutchins_wk> AndreasLutro: That's the number of bits for encoding the color.
3431[22:26:40] <Papillon> well, if you're using a tn film display, 14 if you're lucky
3432[22:26:52] <Papillon> but with dithering...
3433[22:26:56] <greycat> screen #0:
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3435[22:26:59] <greycat> depths (7): 24, 1, 4, 8, 15, 16, 32
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3438[22:27:25] <jhutchins_wk> AndreasLutro: I'm sure they explain in their documentation, but you might want to look at redshift instead, I think it has had broader use and development.
3439[22:27:35] <AndreasLutro> this is a 5 year old thinkpad - depths (7): 24, 1, 4, 8, 15, 16, 32
3440[22:27:36] <mingtsay> hello, all
3441[22:27:46] <dontknow> replaced-url
3442[22:28:03] <abrotman> dontknow: how is this related to Debian?
3443[22:28:06] <mingtsay> I have "nginx version: nginx/1.10.3 built with OpenSSL 1.0.2k 26 Jan 2017" but get "SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO"
3444[22:28:11] <jhutchins_wk> AndreasLutro: /var/log/Xorg.0.log might say what depth it's using.
3445[22:28:16] <xy2_> how to burn an iso to a cd (without extra software)?
3446[22:28:18] <AndreasLutro> jhutchins_wk: that's my backup plan, but redshift has too many dependencies for my liking, and I've used xflux for a long time and would like to keep doing so
3447[22:28:27] <abrotman> xy2_: you mean CLI?
3448[22:28:31] <dontknow> abrotman, just an anecdote
3449[22:28:36] <abrotman> dontknow: not helpful
3450[22:28:38] <greycat> xy2_: install burning software. cdrecord or wodim or whatever.
3451[22:28:53] <dontknow> :|
3452[22:29:04] <abrotman> dontknow: at least use an offtopic channel for that nonsense
3453[22:29:05] <mingtsay> the host is "p.csie.mcu.edu.tw" and I build nginx and openssl with apt-get install -t jessie-backports
3454[22:29:11] <xy2_> well I should state my other problem :) I have no space left on root partition
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3456[22:29:34] <mingtsay> I don't know how to debug the ssl with nginx
3457[22:29:45] <jhutchins_wk> xy2_: That's what happens when you partition.
3458[22:29:59] <xy2_> it's set up as LVM, so I can just resize it, but I need to be in an environnement where my partitions aren't mounted
3459[22:30:08] <greycat> Delete something. Or attach a new disk. Or create a new partition in the unused space of an existing disk.
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3461[22:30:10] <jhutchins_wk> xy2_: du -sh /*
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3463[22:30:24] <jhutchins_wk> xy2_: Start tracking down what's using it.
3464[22:30:25] <greycat> Start with "apt-get clean" probably.
3465[22:30:30] <AndreasLutro> jhutchins_wk: hmm, no such file... they might have moved it in debian 9
3466[22:30:40] <jhutchins_wk> logrotate -f /etc/logrotate.conf
3467[22:30:55] <jhutchins_wk> ,v redshift
3468[22:30:56] <judd> Package: redshift on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.7-2; jessie: 1.9.1-4; stretch: 1.11-1; sid: 1.11-1
3469[22:31:08] <synthmeat> i have installed bash-completion and this in my .bashrc replaced-url
3470[22:31:13] <jhutchins_wk> AndreasLutro: Oh, the Xorg log...
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3472[22:31:27] <AndreasLutro> ah it's in .local/share/xorg
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3474[22:31:53] <jhutchins_wk> So now they're dinking with LFHS?
3475[22:32:10] <AndreasLutro> could just be my xinit customization tbh
3476[22:32:18] <synthmeat> (Debian GNU/Linux 8.7 (jessie), if it's relevant)
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3479[22:33:33] <jhutchins_wk> AndreasLutro: replaced-url
3480[22:33:46] <AndreasLutro> [ 3470.686] (==) Depth 24 pixmap format is 32 bpp
3481[22:33:48] <AndreasLutro> I guess this is it?
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3483[22:34:00] <jhutchins_wk> AndreasLutro: Yep.
3484[22:34:08] <dontknow> synthmeat, i think it is all that it does
3485[22:34:13] <AndreasLutro> wonder why it worked in opensuse, and in debian 8, but not now. hm
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3487[22:34:36] <AndreasLutro> I'd be shocked if I used 8 bit colors before and didn't notice!
3488[22:34:40] <jhutchins_wk> AndreasLutro: Different versions, different compile options, different patches.
3489[22:34:46] <synthmeat> dontknow: apparently (just found out this) - it *does* work with, say, git command only when i'm in git repository
3490[22:34:48] <synthmeat> :D
3491[22:34:54] <greycat> 8-bit displays were common about 20 years ago
3492[22:34:54] <synthmeat> so, actually, yeah, everything works
3493[22:35:18] <dontknow> cool
3494[22:36:06] <Papillon> and tn film lcd displays are marginally better
3495[22:36:13] <Papillon> 14 bits
3496[22:36:22] <Papillon> it's like we were savages
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3502[22:37:28] <greycat> AndreasLutro: well, if you want to play around, you could try "startx -- -depth 8" from a console
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3504[22:38:29] <AndreasLutro> can't hurt!
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3507[22:39:47] <biberao> hi
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3509[22:39:57] <biberao> is there a security.debian.org over ipv6?
3510[22:40:21] <Dagger> security.debian.org has IPv6 address 2a02:16a8:dc41:100::233 security.debian.org has IPv6 address 2001:a78:5:0:216:35ff:fe7f:be4f security.debian.org has IPv6 address 2001:a78:5:1:216:35ff:fe7f:6ceb
3511[22:40:22] <greycat> DNS says yes.
3512[22:40:23] <Dagger> is what I get
3513[22:40:45] <mutante> ping6 also says yes
3514[22:41:28] <biberao> i cant ping6 it
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3517[22:42:09] <missmbob> i can
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3519[22:42:14] <mutante> biberao: i can.can you ping6 something else? how about wikipedia.org
3520[22:42:16] <AndreasLutro> greycat: that told me that 8 bit depth were not supported by my driver. same for 10 bit for that matter
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3523[22:42:41] <biberao> lets try this
3524[22:42:55] <biberao> can you ping6 http.us.debian.org
3525[22:42:58] <biberao> ?
3526[22:43:07] <greycat> AndreasLutro: I don't know what xflux is, but anything that requires a small color depth must be quite *old*
3527[22:43:41] <biberao> please anyone
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3529[22:44:04] <AndreasLutro> greycat: yeah but that's the thing, I've definitely never used such a small color depth on my machines since the mid-90s, so I'm confused as to why it worked before - I wonder if this error message is simply misleading somehow
3530[22:44:45] <missmbob> biberao: yes. sounds like your isp is having ipv6 issues. or doesnt support it at all
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3532[22:45:01] <biberao> missmbob: can you give me the ipv6 addressed for http.us.debian.org
3533[22:45:02] <biberao> ?
3534[22:45:24] <missmbob> biberao: 2610:148:1f10:3::89 is what i got
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3536[22:45:28] <greycat> biberao: use "host http.us.debian.org"
3537[22:45:31] <AndreasLutro> it has to be something other than color depth
3538[22:45:32] <jhutchins_wk> biberao: You probably have a partial or broken implementation of ipv6. There is pretty much NO complete point-to-point ipv6 network. Pretty much everything goes over ipv4 somewhere along the way.
3539[22:45:44] <biberao> yes got it all
3540[22:45:52] <biberao> im having a dns issue
3541[22:46:08] <jhutchins_wk> biberao: DNS or DNS6?
3542[22:46:15] <Dagger> jhutchins: wait wat
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3545[22:46:42] <Dagger> maybe inside MPLS, but that's not visible and is somewhat irrelevent to an end user
3546[22:47:27] <biberao> wait a moment ok
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3552[22:49:09] <mingtsay> do you guys know about nginx with self-signed ssl?
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3554[22:49:35] <jhutchins_wk> mingtsay: Do we know WHAT about nginx & ssl?
3555[22:49:35] <greycat> I bet #nginx does.
3556[22:49:57] <Dagger> letsencrypt is kinda a better choice than self-signed in most cases today
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3558[22:50:52] <jhutchins_wk> Google is somewhat of an exception, if you're on their network (fiber), there are a number of services that you can reach over ipv6.
3559[22:51:19] <jhutchins_wk> Typically though, when I ping something over 6, the lag/latency is at least 10x what the 4 ping is.
3560[22:51:23] <mingtsay> greycat: jhutchins_wk: I met ciphers mismatch issue but no luck on googling. do you suggest me to ask in #nignx?
3561[22:51:26] <biberao> ok im in a tunnel thing that only allows ipv6
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3563[22:51:49] <Dagger> the same is true of Comcast in the US, BT and Sky here in the UK, and honestly most other ISPs that do v6
3564[22:51:55] <Dagger> no v4 involved when doing v6 with those
3565[22:52:09] <Dagger> AT&T are doing 6rd though, that's a tunnel. but that's not the common case
3566[22:52:21] <jhutchins_wk> mingtsay: You're assuming we know a lot more about what you're doing than you've told us, but I imagine there's a howto on using ssl with nginx.
3567[22:52:50] <jhutchins_wk> Dagger: Comcast definitely routes some of it over v4
3568[22:53:39] <mutante> Sixxs is shutting down after 18 years or something.. and we still don't have v6 :p
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3570[22:53:54] <Dagger> jhutchins_wk: and I see you're on AT&T so I guess that explains your problems (their 6rd servers seem not to work very well, from what I've seen)
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3572[22:54:06] <jhutchins_wk> There are also a lot of components to the standard that are listed as "Not Yet Implemented".
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3578[22:54:55] <jhutchins_wk> Dagger: Remember AT&T was re-assembled from the regional Bell companies and has a wide variety of implementation across their network.
3579[22:55:03] <mutante> "3) some ISPs have told customers that they don't need to provide IPv6 connectivity because the customer can just use a tunnel from SixXS " "This last reason in particular made the SixXS team think they are doing more harm than good in the fight for native IPv6, so they will be shutting down on June 6."
3580[22:55:24] <Dagger> jhutchins_wk: hm... well, it's native from the CPE to Comcast's network at the very least. as I say they may have some MPLS things that go over v4, but generally no, it's native v6 all the way through
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3582[22:55:29] <jhutchins_wk> Dagger: Personally I'm on Google Fiber, and I enabled v6 for a segment of the US GSA, so I've worked with it a bit.
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3588[22:57:45] <mingtsay> jhutchins_wk: Here you are my configure: replaced-url
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3590[22:58:41] <jhutchins_wk> Ming without digging in to that, I would suggest that it's your ssl setup that's not quite correct, not really anything with nginx.
3591[22:59:21] <mingtsay> yes, I am trying to know what parts of ssl is misconfigured
3592[22:59:39] <missmbob> you really should ask #nginx
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3594[22:59:53] <mingtsay> okay then
3595[22:59:56] <jhutchins_wk> mingtsay: As someone else suggested earlier, look into letsencrypt. Much easier.
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3597[23:00:37] <mingtsay> jhutchins_wk: already do that but still not working
3598[23:00:51] <mingtsay> I don't know why
3599[23:01:13] <mingtsay> is it because I use private ip as the common name?
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3603[23:02:24] <Dagger> IPs as CN probably won't work
3604[23:02:38] <Dagger> no CA will issue a cert for an IP, and it's quite possible browsers reject them
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3607[23:04:37] <mingtsay> Dagger: I was trying to do that with nginx proxy. I am trying to give upstream the ssl but I only have 10.0.0.2
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3610[23:05:18] <mingtsay> do you suggest me to write the IP into the DNS record so the CN won't be the IP ?
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3612[23:06:55] <mutante> mingtsay: how are you getting your certs?
3613[23:07:30] <mingtsay> mutante: Self-signed with openssl and my own CA
3614[23:07:33] <mutante> mingtsay: you should have a cert with CN of the actual server name used on backend
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3617[23:08:07] <mingtsay> but the error message is at HELLO not the cert exchanging
3618[23:08:19] <mingtsay> SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO
3619[23:08:28] <Dagger> I'm not sure if this is your problem, but yes, you should probably use a hostname
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3631[23:10:08] <mutante> mingtsay: that sounds like what you would get when you request HTTPS on the wrong port
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3634[23:10:16] <mutante> mingtsay: like trying https on port 80
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3638[23:10:32] <mutante> i think there is more than one problem here
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3640[23:10:58] <mingtsay> I tried the command "openssl s_client -connect 10.100.0.2:443 -servername 10.100.0.2
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3647[23:12:20] <mingtsay> I also tried "telnet 10.100.0.2 443" and sent the plain http request, got this: 400 The plain HTTP request was sent to HTTPS port
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3649[23:13:54] <mutante> mingtsay: something is wrong with the proxy setup then
3650[23:14:12] <mutante> mingtsay: also, if it says "servername" i'd use server names, not IP
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3652[23:14:55] <mingtsay> let me try to use the servernames instead of the IPs first
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3657[23:16:45] <gr8> this guide on the debian wiki recommends to install packages from wheezy repository on jessie: replaced-url
3658[23:16:46] <gr8> I thought this is always a bad idea?!
3659[23:16:57] <gr8> eh, not debian wiki :D
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3661[23:17:08] <gr8> is it a bad idea?
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3665[23:18:23] <AndreasLutro> that's terrible
3666[23:18:31] <AndreasLutro> if you don't want systemd, maybe just pick a different distro
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3670[23:19:17] <Dagger> ...what happened to "you can pick your init system"?
3671[23:19:19] <gr8> haha ok. Just looked for it because someone said it could be possible to have Debian jessie without systemd
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3673[23:19:28] <AndreasLutro> was that ever a thing?
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3676[23:20:43] <gr8> I'm not here to debate a project decision, I just don't like systemd.
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3678[23:21:20] <Dagger> it was part of the defence for using systemd-init for init by default. "you can always change back"
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3685[23:22:27] <teraflops> gr8: then save as from your rants :P
3686[23:22:41] <AndreasLutro> I never followed that discussion so can't comment on that... but if that was allowed then that means debian maintainers maintaining 2 different sets of init scripts/configs for the foreseeable future, and potentially even creating alternate packages depending on whether you're using systemd or sysv... not realistic
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3688[23:23:17] <gr8> teraflops: sorry I didn't mean to rant, I'm just asking if installing packages from Wheezy on Jessie is a very bad idea or if it is possible
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3690[23:23:34] <teraflops> gr8: np
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3692[23:23:39] <missmbob> gr8: it's possible and it's a very bad idea
3693[23:23:50] <missmbob> !tell gr8 about frankendebian
3694[23:23:56] <missmbob> !tell gr8 about dont break debian
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3696[23:24:07] <teraflops> derpbian sounds great too
3697[23:24:12] <teraflops> sorry
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3699[23:24:36] <Dagger> it's not bad for any special reason though. just the general issues of running software that isn't getting updates
3700[23:24:37] <gr8> lol
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3706[23:25:26] <AndreasLutro> there's also the possibility of having package dependency version mismatches
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3713[23:27:11] <gr8> so maybe I should inform without-systemd.org guys that their wiki entry is erroneous
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3715[23:29:23] <gr8> the don't break debian guide is great btw
3716[23:29:26] <gr8> ;D
3717[23:29:34] <phogg> sysvinit is packaged for jessie and part of main. You can remove systemd, install sysvinit and pin systemd such that it doesn't get re-installed. This works for jessie, but I assume it won't work in future releases.
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3720[23:30:52] <Dagger> you can, but my understanding is that it breaks things like shutting down/rebooting from a desktop environment
3721[23:31:04] <gr8> phogg: the problem seems to be, according to the linked wiki, that polkit builds on systemd
3722[23:31:09] <AndreasLutro> problem is there are other "core" packages in debian that rely on systemd
3723[23:31:32] <phogg> gr8: You will not have polkit or systemd or anything that relies on either.
3724[23:31:34] <AndreasLutro> well not really a problem, just a fact
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3727[23:31:59] <phogg> AndreasLutro: Not all systems will require them; if yours doesn't then you can just not install them.
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3729[23:32:15] <bogo_> Hello?
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3731[23:32:26] <gr8> bogo_: howdy
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3733[23:32:49] <bogo_> I need some help trying to setup a ftp server so people can login to update their html sites
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3735[23:32:58] <bogo_> and nothing has worked for me
3736[23:33:03] <gr8> ok thanks guys it seems that "get a different distro" is pretty much solid advice for me
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3738[23:33:47] <gr8> bogo_: what do you know about server security
3739[23:33:49] <bogo_> replaced-url
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3743[23:34:12] <bogo_> I have tried this setup again and again and it simply does not work
3744[23:34:17] <missmbob> bogo_: you should really ask the people at ##vsftpd
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3746[23:34:43] <phogg> people still use ftp? in 2017?
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3748[23:34:48] <gr8> my point is, if you don't know how to secure your server properly, don't run an FTP server.
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3753[23:35:18] <bogo_> yes you have to use FTP for a lot of things
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3756[23:35:51] <phogg> gr8: s/.*don't/don't/ # fixed it for ya
3757[23:36:02] <gr8> otherwise someone else will secure it for you within two weeks of it being online
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3759[23:36:25] <bogo_> @gr8 it is fine.
3760[23:36:36] <missmbob> bogo_: point is most people here swore off ftp a long, long time ago. that's why i suggested ##vsftpd. they'd know better how to help you
3761[23:38:13] <bogo_> wonder if anyone is alive there
3762[23:38:23] <missmbob> wait. be patient
3763[23:39:04] <bogo_> could have a stroke in that time
3764[23:39:05] <blackflow> it'd be easier to set up sftp with pubkeys.
3765[23:39:22] <blackflow> works fine with filezilla for all your windows clients :)
3766[23:39:53] <bogo_> that is what this is
3767[23:40:01] <bogo_> I am using it with winscp
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3775[23:44:59] <teraflops> windows has native ssh binaries
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