• 0[00:00:01] <TomTomTosch> tom99: removing a repo does not remove the packages you already have on your system from that repo. you can try downgrading those packages by hand, but that's not guaranteed to work.
• 1[00:00:19] <TomTomTosch> !frankendebian
• 2[00:00:25] <TomTomTosch> mpf
• 3[00:01:09] <TomTomTosch> point is, you have a mixed system.
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• 23[00:05:22] <TomTomTosch> whatever you try to install has libwebkitgtk-1.0-0 as a dep it tries to install it from the wheezy repo. but you also have libcairo2 from the jessie repo on your system, which breaks libwebkitgtk-1.0-0 (< 2.4.5-2~) and prevents it from being installed. downgrading libcairo2 is not guaranteed to work. if i were you i would probably try to do a full upgrade to jessie.
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• 51[00:23:47] <tom99> So libcairo2 is being installed but it requires libwebkitgtk 1.0?
• 52[00:24:02] <tom99> why isn't my libwebkitgtk 2.4.5-2 enough? i don't understand what the line means
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• 56[00:24:53] <TomTomTosch> libcairo2 breaks the version of libwebkitgtk that you are trying to install.
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• 58[00:26:16] <tom99> I did a dpkg -l and it says libwebkitgtk-1.0.0 is already installed and debian number is 1.8.1-3.4? so there's 2 different numbers for the same package?
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• 62[00:27:33] <TomTomTosch> apt-cache policy libwebkitgtk-1.0-0 please
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• 67[00:28:55] <tom99> replaced-url
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• 71[00:30:52] <TomTomTosch> oh, so you are mixing testing and wheezy.
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• 73[00:32:10] <TomTomTosch> either way, mixing releases broke your stuff.
• 74[00:32:11] <tom99> idk, somebody told me to add testing to my repos before but I removed it because someone else said it's a bad idea.
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• 76[00:32:32] <tom99> right.
• 77[00:32:47] <TomTomTosch> you still have testing in your sorces.
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• 79[00:32:58] <TomTomTosch> or didn't update yet.
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• 82[00:33:29] <TomTomTosch> you removed wheezy.
• 83[00:33:51] <tom99> i think you're right, i see a line like that
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• 85[00:34:03] <tom99> testing main contrib non-free
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• 89[00:34:36] <tom99> What i don't get is it says "1.8.1-3.4 is to be installed" but I already have 1.8.1-3.4 of libwebkitgtk installed
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• 91[00:34:37] <TomTomTosch> ah, so you try something from testing that depends on libcairo2 which conflickts with the wheezy version of libwebkitgtk-1.0-0. this way around makes more sense^^
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• 95[00:36:02] <TomTomTosch> meh. writing is hard.
• 96[00:36:41] <zinx> lets go shopping
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• 100[00:38:21] <tom99> is the package I'm trying to install from testing? i don't see where it says that in the apt output
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• 102[00:39:18] <TomTomTosch> apt-cache policy the command you used and apt-cache policy <the package you tried to install>
• 103[00:39:41] <TomTomTosch> gimme that then i can stop guessing^^
• 104[00:39:56] <tom99> but I have libwebkitgtk-1.0.0
• 105[00:40:02] <tom99> oh sorry i didn't see that
• 106[00:40:34] <tom99> i tried to install emacs-goodies-el
• 107[00:40:38] <tom99> What do I need to type?
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• 109[00:41:09] <TomTomTosch> apt-cache policy the command you used and apt-cache policy <the package you tried to install>
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• 112[00:41:26] <TomTomTosch> to a pastebin
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• 116[00:42:48] <tom99> um, that doesn't make any sense to me but ok
• 117[00:42:57] <tom99> sec
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• 120[00:44:09] <TomTomTosch> 'apt-cache policy' is one command. then i would like to see the command you used to install emacs-goodies-el and 'apt-cache policy emacs-goodies-el' is the second command i would like to see the output from.
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• 125[00:44:42] <tom99> replaced-url
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• 128[00:45:22] <TomTomTosch> you copied the same thing twice.
• 129[00:45:41] <tom99> you asked for apt-cache policy <the command I typed>. I typed 'apt-get install emacs-goodies-el'
• 130[00:45:46] <tom99> I thought that's probably not what you wanted
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• 133[00:46:19] <tom99> did you want "apt-cache policy install emacs-goodies-el"?
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• 135[00:46:50] <TomTomTosch> i asked for three things. but that's fine. it will try to install emacs-goodies-el from testing and conflicts with the wheezy packages you have installed.
• 136[00:47:07] <AciD`> hey, I installed debian with the debian-installer, and a btrfs / partition
• 137[00:47:15] <TomTomTosch> tom99: i gave you the exact commands i wanted to see.
• 138[00:47:29] <tom99> which is the libwebkitgtk which has version 1.8.1-3.4?
• 139[00:47:34] <TomTomTosch> yes
• 140[00:48:11] <AciD`> should I create a subvolume named 'root' and move / in there, then additionnal subvolume (/var, /run, etc.) before snapshoting the system?
• 141[00:48:47] <tom99> what is the 2.4.5-2~ referring to?
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• 145[00:50:05] <TomTomTosch> to the setting of the controlfield 'breaks' that libcairo2 from testing has.
• 146[00:50:48] <TomTomTosch> can't install that version of libcairo2 if libwebkitgtk-1.0-0 (< 2.4.5-2~) is installed
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• 148[00:51:39] <tom99> oh it requires at least 2.4.5-2~. Why doesn't it just say libcairo2 requires v 2.4.5-2 or higher of blah blah then. this format is confusing
• 149[00:52:25] <TomTomTosch> because it's not a direct dependency. it just breaks it.
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• 151[00:52:58] <tom99> hrm, alright.
• 152[00:53:17] <tom99> also it confused me to hell that it says and I have 1.8.1-3.4 is "to be installed" even though it's already installed
• 153[00:53:24] <tom99> thanks for the clarification
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• 158[00:55:44] <TomTomTosch> np
• 159[00:56:54] <tom99> ah ok apt-cache policy emacs-goodies-el is what tells me it is from a testing repo. got it
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• 197[01:16:42] <wonsonwin> PART 19 - 20 - TORTURE / NUREMBERG TRIALS - Dennis Wise on The Greatest Story NEVER Told
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• 209[01:20:16] <abrotman> you mean "/msg dpkg ops help" ? no
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• 340[02:23:57] <epson-l350> how can i desktop newbie like me install the Epspn L350 Printer on jessie?
• 341[02:24:09] <epson-l350> how can i desktop newbie like me install the Epson L350 Printer on jessie?
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• 344[02:25:23] <equilibrio> epson-l350: replaced-url
• 345[02:25:35] <equilibrio> I think they got drivers for linux now :)
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• 354[02:32:14] <epson-l350> equilibrio, dpkg -i epson-inkjet-printer-201207w_1.0.0-1lsb3.2_i386.deb gives me an error: lsb is not installed
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• 356[02:34:40] <abrotman> epson-l350: aptitude install lsb
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• 358[02:34:49] <hanshenrik> in what folder does iPXE starts? iPXE docs say that it will automatically execute any file starting with "#!ipxe", but it doesn't say what folder it searches..
• 359[02:35:26] <hanshenrik> or rather, i dont care what folder it starts in, just what folder it searches for #!ipxe scripts, where's that folder?
• 360[02:36:06] <epson-l350> abrotman, i installed abrotman and then the abovementioned epsopn driver but how do i configure the printer?
• 361[02:36:20] <epson-l350> abrotman, i installed lsb and then the abovementioned epsopn driver but how do i configure the printer?
• 362[02:36:36] <abrotman> epson-l350: heck if I know, I haven't owned a printer in nearly 20 years. :)
• 363[02:36:52] <abrotman> there's probably a nice GUI tool for that depending on your DE
• 364[02:37:04] <abrotman> oddly, that last printer was an Epson
• 365[02:37:38] <epson-l350> i see no nice gui tool at all
• 366[02:37:55] <abrotman> what DE are you using?
• 367[02:37:57] <abrotman> or just CLI?
• 368[02:38:03] <epson-l350> MATE
• 369[02:38:26] <abrotman> I'm sure in the setttings there's a Printer widget
• 370[02:38:45] <abrotman> I haven't used "MATE" since they thankfully killed Gnome2
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• 373[02:39:34] <epson-l350> i was told that i may use a web browser to install the printer
• 374[02:39:39] <abrotman> Okay
• 375[02:40:00] <epson-l350> but how?
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• 377[02:40:29] <abrotman> I think you missed you the part where I haven't owned a printer in nearly 20 years ... That was before Gnome2 existed
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• 384[02:43:47] <squib> is apt-get update && apt-get upgrade typically sufficient to keep a debian system patched and current with security advisories at all that?
• 385[02:43:54] <squib> somehow I get the feeling it is not that simple
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• 387[02:44:15] <abrotman> squib: you may need to do a dist-upgrade from time to time
• 388[02:44:22] <squib> I see
• 389[02:44:24] <squib> fair enough
• 390[02:44:30] <hanshenrik> squib, yes, yes it is
• 391[02:44:44] <hanshenrik> oh, right, that too i guess
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• 397[02:45:29] <hanshenrik> well, i guess theoretically you have to restart to apply kernel security patches, not sure about that.. anyone?
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• 405[02:46:41] <abrotman> squib: it largely depends on which version of Debian you're running
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• 422[02:48:45] <squib> looks like 8.6
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• 426[02:49:35] <hanshenrik> is dpkg, the irc bot, down?
• 427[02:50:03] <squib> I have another question guys. what are the typical approaches to maintaining a local software repo so that you don't have to grant your Linux servers internet access
• 428[02:50:16] <squib> I'd rather patch them with a central maintenance host here
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• 430[02:54:25] <abrotman> hanshenrik: the bot is missing from the network apparently
• 431[02:54:49] <abrotman> squib: like an apt-proxy?
• 432[02:54:59] <squib> abrotman, hey that looks fun to google
• 433[02:55:06] <squib> and so I shall
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• 435[02:56:10] <tyronemorris> ITEL Radio: Blackbird9 Guest Hosts – NSA Spying & Jewish Power Plays
• 436[02:56:20] <tyronemorris> replaced-url
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• 446[03:01:47] <warmweather> Should we concerned about Jewish butchers and a Jew World Order?
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• 448[03:02:30] <ryouma> we should be concerned about trolls
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• 476[03:09:10] <ChristineSi> i'm seeing increases in antisemitism
• 477[03:09:37] <bazhang> ChristineSi, wrong channel and network
• 478[03:10:01] <murphy> lol
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• 491[03:15:21] <locrian9> Is it a common problem when a hardware RAID controller labels the drives in cciss (ie /dev/cciss/c0d0p1) and the Debian installer doesn't understand '/dev/cciss/c0d0p1'? I'm having an issue where my HP ProLiant DL350 (G5) server hosting an HP Smart Array P400i Controller won't install Debian Etch cause it doesn't recognize the /dev/cciss/c0d0p1 partition. It's probably looking for device IDs like /dev/s
• 492[03:15:27] <locrian9> da...
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• 506[03:19:36] <Phanes> thinking about migrating from ubuntu server to debian
• 507[03:19:57] <Phanes> any drawbacks i should look out for? I depend on FGLRX for my desktop system which I'd also be migrating
• 508[03:20:09] <Phanes> because radeon will not properly support my cards
• 509[03:20:23] <bazhang> fglrrx is dead, no matter the os
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• 511[03:20:31] <abrotman> that's not true ..
• 512[03:20:34] <abrotman> factually
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• 514[03:20:47] <Phanes> well, there's amdgpu, but, im not ready to make that transition yet
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• 516[03:20:53] <bazhang> on life support then
• 517[03:20:53] <Phanes> it is actually the reason im migrating away from ubuntu
• 518[03:20:53] <abrotman> Though, I'd encourage Phanes to try the radeon again, so ..
• 519[03:21:00] <Phanes> nopr
• 520[03:21:06] <Phanes> i mean *nope
• 521[03:21:08] <Phanes> not doing radeon
• 522[03:21:36] <Phanes> i have 2 50" 4k displays and use premium cards
• 523[03:22:00] <Phanes> thats like putting kerosene in your lamborghini
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• 525[03:22:24] <abrotman> That's why people buy Matrox cards :)
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• 534[03:24:40] <abrotman> Phanes: anyway, it's sort of one of those things you have to just try. You've only mentioned your video cards .. I'm sure you have other requirements?
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• 537[03:25:37] <Phanes> well, vanilla services configuration, like apache et al, but, i actually trust it is thought out well on debian, i can learn those things
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• 541[03:26:30] <Phanes> but i wont be able to develop a better graphics driver than proprietary and am unwilling to become one of those poor fanatics who have downgraded their visual experience repeatedly for the last 30 years on the hopes that 'this time they got the oss drivers right'
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• 544[03:27:54] <jmcnaught> i think it's always worth at least trying the radeon drivers. fglrx in Debian 8 is also broken for GNOME
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• 546[03:28:28] <debkad> question: how to make things happen?
• 547[03:28:33] <Phanes> i use i3
• 548[03:28:57] <sersoni> i'm a beer drinker
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• 550[03:29:22] <^v> caja (MATE file manager) is doing stupid stuff for no reason replaced-url
• 551[03:29:35] <^v> i can click drag things around and its bugged
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• 553[03:29:41] <debkad> Phanes, i3 is good but without conky it is kind of useless
• 554[03:29:43] <^v> if i double click anything caja crashes
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• 556[03:30:15] <Phanes> debkad, i use a modified version of i3blocks for that
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• 558[03:31:00] <jmcnaught> ^v: which release of Debian? do you get the same problem as a different (new) user?
• 559[03:31:08] <gtrott> hello
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• 561[03:31:29] <sersoni> replaced-url
• 562[03:31:30] <sersoni> Expulsion Of The Jews Throughout History [Impressive Achievement]
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• 564[03:31:42] <jmcnaught> !ops sersoni
• 565[03:31:44] <^v> jmcnaught, sid
• 566[03:31:51] <^v> ill try making a new account
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• 572[03:32:00] <debkad> Phanes, i think that can be done with i3bar + xdotool ( may be with some scripting too )
• 573[03:32:11] <abrotman> jmcnaught: bot is missing
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• 575[03:32:29] <jmcnaught> abrotman: i just noticed
• 576[03:32:40] <abrotman> debhelper: hiya!
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• 583[03:33:18] <^v> jmcnaught, does indeed happen on different accounts
• 584[03:33:31] <jmcnaught> apt: debian-next
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• 587[03:33:39] <abrotman> apt: hi
• 588[03:33:39] <apt> hello, abrotman
• 589[03:33:41] <gtrott> hello, i need some help with a step in some instructions setting up ralph-ng replaced-url
• 590[03:33:41] <gtrott> cat ~/.profile
• 591[03:33:41] <gtrott> not sure what to do here
• 592[03:33:41] <gtrott> figured some kind linux guru's in here might know... my buddy i usually ask is offline. if anyone could point me in the right direction. thanks
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• 594[03:33:57] <iamawesome> aptitude install postgresql , what does it install?
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• 597[03:34:06] <jmcnaught> ^v: do you know which packages you have updated recently?
• 598[03:34:15] <debkad> something sql
• 599[03:34:16] <iamawesome> I've installed postgresql-9.4
• 600[03:34:30] <iamawesome> What type of package is postgresql?
• 601[03:34:39] <debkad> sql thingy i think
• 602[03:34:40] <iamawesome> What's the difference between postgresql-9.4 and postgresql ?
• 603[03:34:43] <TomTomTosch> iamawesome: a metapackage
• 604[03:34:49] <abrotman> iamawesome: apt-cache show foo ; read the description
• 605[03:34:57] <^v> jmcnaught, i updated yesterday not sure what, i wasnt having issues after that they just suddenly appeared today
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• 607[03:35:12] <iamawesome> p postgresql - object-relational SQL database (supported version)
• 608[03:35:13] <abrotman> dpkg: hi
• 609[03:35:13] <dpkg> moin moin, abrotman
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• 611[03:35:31] <iamawesome> i postgresql-9.4 - object-relational SQL database, version 9.4 server
• 612[03:35:41] <iamawesome> What is supported version?
• 613[03:35:50] <debkad> the bot is a german
• 614[03:35:53] <jmcnaught> ^v: are you using apt-listchanges and apt-listbugs? your computer also has logs of what it upgraded in /var/log/apt and /var/log/dpkg
• 615[03:36:12] <abrotman> debkad: do you need help with Debian?
• 616[03:36:21] <gtrott> hello, i need some help with a step in some instructions setting up ralph-ng replaced-url
• 617[03:36:23] <TomTomTosch> iamawesome: as i said, it's a metapackage. it will install the currently supported version, which is postgresql-9.4 ^^
• 618[03:36:23] <debkad> abrotman, not at the moment
• 619[03:36:40] <gtrott> not sure what to do here, figured some linux guru's in here might know... my buddy i usually ask is offline. if anyone could point me in the right direction. thanks
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• 622[03:37:03] <iamawesome> Description-en: object-relational SQL database (supported version) This metapackage always depends on the currently supported PostgreSQL database server version.
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• 627[03:37:31] <iamawesome> I've installed postgresql-9.4, so aptitude install postgresql, what does it try to install then?
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• 629[03:37:38] <abrotman> a metapackage
• 630[03:37:43] <TomTomTosch> an empty package
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• 632[03:37:59] <iamawesome> What does that metapackage do? When do i need to install metapackage?
• 633[03:38:01] <OS-22314> Hi everybody. Basic question... try to do bind shell with ncat and for some reason the Windows box is refusing the connection. It was working and I've disabled the firewall along with resetting the VM completely. What else do you recommend?
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• 635[03:38:08] <abrotman> dpkg: tell iamawesome about metapackage
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• 637[03:38:21] <^v> jmcnaught, heres my apt history replaced-url
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• 639[03:38:33] <jmcnaught> gtrott: your link gave an error for me. you're having trouble using cat on your ~/.profile? Maybe you could show what you're trying to do in a paste on replaced-url
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• 642[03:38:40] <jmcnaught> ^v: did you look at it?
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• 644[03:39:02] <^v> yeah looks like caja
• 645[03:39:11] <debkad> abrotman, i actually have/had a question, but still didn't get the answer, and i think no one know about it, i'm digging everyday to get it fixed, i have already a workaround but that need me some staff to do to get a little fix
• 646[03:39:12] <iamawesome> So i don't need to install postgresql, right?
• 647[03:39:18] <^v> i should just report it in #mate :v thanks
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• 649[03:39:24] <iamawesome> As i've postgresql-9.4 installed
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• 651[03:39:34] <abrotman> you probably should, but it's up to you
• 652[03:39:53] <jmcnaught> iamawesome: you would install the postgresql so that when you upgrade from jessie->stretch the version of postgresql in stretch will be installed
• 653[03:40:23] <iamawesome> Ok
• 654[03:40:43] <iamawesome> But there isn't a metapackage like mysql. I had to install mysql-server , why is it?
• 655[03:40:51] <jmcnaught> ^v: well it looks like a lot of packages were upgraded, maybe you don't upgrade very often? you could look at replaced-url
• 656[03:41:12] <TomTomTosch> iamawesome: mysql-server is a metapackage too.
• 657[03:41:41] <TomTomTosch> iamawesome: it depends on mysql-server-5.5 on jessie and mysql-server-5.6 on sid
• 658[03:41:45] <gtrott> jmcnaught replaced-url
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• 661[03:42:45] <jmcnaught> gtrott: i don't have javascript enabled for URLs from IRC strangers. the debian paste site doesn't require javascript
• 662[03:43:39] <iamawesome> Why is it named mysql-server instead of mysql ?
• 663[03:43:50] <iamawesome> Like postgresql is metapackage.
• 664[03:43:52] <gtrott> its from irccloud - let me figure this out...
• 665[03:43:56] <TomTomTosch> because there is also a client and they don't come bundled.
• 666[03:43:57] <iamawesome> not postgresql-server
• 667[03:44:00] <jmcnaught> oh i see there is a raw link. gtrott it looks like it just wants you to put those lines in your ~/.profile
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• 669[03:44:30] <iamawesome> There is postgresql-client too.
• 670[03:44:41] <jmcnaught> gtrott: you would use a text editor to do that. "editor ~/.profile" will run "the best" editor you have installed
• 671[03:44:52] <gtrott> that is what i did... but the "ralph" command is unknown
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• 675[03:45:36] <gtrott> I'm assuming it adds the path for BASH... still learning the terminology
• 676[03:45:42] <iamawesome> Can anyone answer?
• 677[03:45:58] <jmcnaught> gtrott: does it work if you run "source ~/.profile" ?
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• 679[03:46:15] <jmcnaught> iamawesome: are you reading the descriptions of the packages?
• 680[03:46:25] <TomTomTosch> iamawesome: i already told you. the client comes bundled with postgresql
• 681[03:46:47] <abrotman> iamawesome: the discretion of the packaging team probably
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• 686[03:47:53] <gtrott> jmcnaught: that did it... now i have some other errors... joy
• 687[03:48:13] <TomTomTosch> ah well, to be fair. the mysql client comes bundled too, so what abrotman said.
• 688[03:48:47] <abrotman> I'm sure you could email them and get some more definitive answer
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• 690[03:49:14] <jmcnaught> gtrott: so however you're starting bash is not running .profile. you could use .bashrc instead of .profile, or read "man bash" section on INVOCATION to when each of those is used
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• 694[03:50:43] <gtrott> jmcnaught: mysql permissions now... back to reading :) thanks for the tip.. and i'll read up on bash too. Thank you
• 695[03:51:18] <mrrhq-mobile> Yeah, the only thing I have in my .profile is umask 022.
• 696[03:51:30] <mrrhq-mobile> I use .bash_profile.
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• 706[03:57:46] <awal1> what does timedatectl exactly in the background «---» bios when setting rtc to utc?
• 707[03:59:41] <awal1> i have set he correct time manually in bios but after running timedatectl set-local-rtc 0 time is wrong in bios (4 hours more then the correct time)
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• 710[04:00:27] <awal1> my time is fine in debian, Just curious what timedatectl does/why wrong time in bios after the above command
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• 728[04:10:06] <TomTomTosch> the hardware clock does not keep track of your timezone. so it will be off if you set it to UTC
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• 735[04:16:05] <mrrhq-mobile> Yeah, you might need to do sudo dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
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• 737[04:16:42] <TomTomTosch> he said his time is fine in debian.
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• 740[04:18:34] <remote> are some *.debian.org site down?
• 741[04:18:59] <remote> i can't access security and backports
• 742[04:19:34] <awal1> mrrhq-mobile, debian system time is correct
• 743[04:20:23] <awal1> TomTomTosch, ok, got you :)
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• 756[04:28:32] <iKarith> Can anyone suggest a way to keep X11 from crashing when the display gets disconnected? Like, the display goes into powersave mode if you plug it back in. Change VTs and the display comes back up, but go back to 7 and powersave mode again.
• 757[04:28:45] <portedpot> Charles talks more about how corporations run everything in our world, including our government, churches, courts, and more.
• 758[04:28:48] <iKarith> This happens regardless of the VT when the display was disconnected.
• 759[04:29:04] <iKarith> The only fix I've found is to restart lightdm.
• 760[04:29:15] <TomTomTosch> !ops portedpot
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• 762[04:29:16] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: tomtomtosch complains about: portedpot
• 763[04:29:21] <TomTomTosch> meh^^
• 764[04:29:34] <iKarith> Radeon, free drivers, DVI monitor.
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• 770[04:30:51] <iKarith> I'm seriously asking myself here if I _NEED_ a $300 KVM switch, because I do need to change where the monitor is connected once in awhile to a test machine.
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• 783[04:36:12] <rjsalts> iKarith: crashing to a black screen? or some other behaviour?
• 784[04:37:28] <iKarith> rjsalts: black screen, monitor turns off when you change to vt7
• 785[04:37:50] <iKarith> rjsalts: change back to vt1-6 and monitor turns on and shows a console login
• 786[04:38:45] <rjsalts> iKarith: I've been able to connect/disconnect monitors on my laptop without too much trouble, but there is always the inbuilt laptop display.
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• 790[04:40:10] <iKarith> Right, I don't have a laptop display. This is me needing to switch from a Core i7 desktop on which I am building an embedded distribution to the machine upon which I am running the embedded distribution to make sure it boots right. Once it comes up, I can control it remotely. But the testing is being hampered by having X die on the desktop.
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• 793[04:40:49] <iKarith> Finite space, only one monitor realistically available in this location, etc.
• 794[04:41:41] <iKarith> And both devices connect over DVI. If one connected over VGA, it'd be easy. The monitor supports that itself.
• 795[04:41:49] <rjsalts> iKarith: if you go to vt1 console and log in as the user on your X session, export DISPLAY=:0 what does xrandr tell you about your displays? if you're on another session than the first then export DISLAY=:1, etc
• 796[04:43:00] <iKarith> After it crashes, it shows an error
• 797[04:43:23] <rjsalts> in Xorg...log?
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• 799[04:45:17] <awal1> since linux 4.5+ support for extra monitors has been improved notably
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• 801[04:46:15] <iKarith> I don't see any error there.
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• 803[04:46:25] <iKarith> I wonder if the logs have been rotated out on me.
• 804[04:46:52] <iKarith> I don't read seconds since 1970 timestamps natively. :P
• 805[04:47:08] * iKarith will poke at it. Can always recreate the crash.
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• 839[05:06:50] <Manojkumar> Hi
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• 841[05:06:58] <Manojkumar> first day
• 842[05:07:38] <dvs> ...of the rest of your life!!!
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• 848[05:10:37] <hanshenrik> using the netboot PXE installer, it asks me if i want to use the language C or the language English.. replaced-url
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• 850[05:10:42] <ixor> I have a tar.xz file for ghc8 for haskell, now is there a way to aptitude install it? or is it meant to be just unpacked?
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• 852[05:10:55] <ixor> replaced-url
• 853[05:11:11] <hanshenrik> ixor, a tar.xz file? its meant to be unpacked
• 854[05:11:23] <debkad> ixor, unpack, compile, install
• 855[05:11:24] <ixor> oh wow so its like unpack and run?
• 856[05:11:33] <debkad> depend
• 857[05:11:35] <hanshenrik> idk
• 858[05:11:40] <ixor> damn whats the tar switch for lz again?
• 859[05:11:56] <hanshenrik> you mean lz or tar.xz ?
• 860[05:12:01] <hanshenrik> cus they're different
• 861[05:12:02] <debkad> most are like i said, others have binary ( need to be careful )
• 862[05:12:05] <ixor> oops yes xz
• 863[05:12:50] <hanshenrik> ixor, google suggests it's: tar -xJf file.tar.xz
• 864[05:13:08] <debkad> or may be tar xf
• 865[05:13:37] <ixor> J
• 866[05:13:45] <ixor> ok unpacking
• 867[05:13:50] <ixor> this should get interesting
• 868[05:13:56] <ixor> haskell has always fascinated me
• 869[05:14:41] <ixor> happstack.com looks epic
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• 872[05:16:01] <ixor> I read that deadline and JFS are a mean combi
• 873[05:16:09] <ixor> what do you gents think?
• 874[05:16:21] <ixor> icewm desktop running firefox with ublock here
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• 876[05:16:46] <TomTomTosch> ixor: before running make install you might want to read into checkinstall. that tool builds a package for you with one easy command.
• 877[05:17:03] <ixor> !
• 878[05:17:06] <TomTomTosch> replaced-url
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• 889[05:22:36] <ixor> I learn new cool things daily.
• 890[05:23:02] <ixor> so what about this bfq thing I keep hearing about?
• 891[05:23:06] <ixor> is that available?
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• 895[05:24:56] <tom99> ixor: haskell sounds scary
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• 899[05:31:05] <crowell> #debian-next is invite only?
• 900[05:31:19] <TomTomTosch> !debian-next
• 901[05:31:19] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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• 903[05:31:37] <crowell> whoops :) thanks
• 904[05:31:41] <polyzen> heheh
• 905[05:31:41] <TomTomTosch> ^.^
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• 920[05:45:32] <dko> what are the difference between debian's official multimedia packages and deb-multimedia.org?
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• 925[05:49:45] <awal1> dpkg: deb-multimedia
• 926[05:49:45] <dpkg> We recommend against using deb-multimedia.org; these unofficial packages are known to cause many hard to debug problems. They are not in Debian either because the they are poor in quality or for legal reasons. See replaced-url
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• 931[05:51:55] <ixor> just switched to debian from freebsd
• 932[05:52:02] <pingfloyd> dko: deb-multimedia is completely unofficial and has no affiliation with debian
• 933[05:52:14] <ixor> I notice the kernel is 3 while 4 is listed on kernel.org
• 934[05:52:25] <dko> ixor: you can use backports on stable
• 935[05:52:34] <ixor> are there all kinds of goodies in 4?
• 936[05:52:37] <pingfloyd> dko: in fact, that's why debian wanted them to change their domain name to prevent confusion on that point
• 937[05:52:43] <ixor> backports...
• 938[05:52:49] <ixor> so hows that work?
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• 940[05:52:58] <dko> ixor: replaced-url
• 941[05:53:13] <ixor> will aptitude be ok with it?
• 942[05:53:21] <ixor> or can any crazy stuff happen?
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• 944[05:53:35] <pingfloyd> dko: replaced-url
• 945[05:53:39] <dko> ixor: for me, everything is good.
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• 947[05:53:50] <dko> pingfloyd: thanks, the bot gave me all the info i need
• 948[05:54:38] <dko> ixor: i'd recommend trying out each package to see if they work OK, the kernel should be fine. I run the backported amd64 one.
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• 950[05:55:06] <ixor> ok so once its installed I run what to get the 4 kernel? aptitude install linux?
• 951[05:55:14] <pingfloyd> ixor: backports should be used only where needed
• 952[05:55:26] <ixor> I dont neeeed to really do it then
• 953[05:56:17] <ixor> hek with replaced-url
• 954[05:56:25] <ixor> and I can have web domination!
• 955[05:57:22] <pingfloyd> ixor: by default they have a lower priority than release versions of same package when you add them to our sources.list
• 956[05:57:26] <pingfloyd> *your
• 957[05:57:49] <ixor> what kernel do you have?
• 958[05:57:53] <pingfloyd> ixor: which is a good thing, as they should only be installed explicitly on a case by case basis
• 959[05:57:58] <ixor> do you notice difference?
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• 964[06:01:04] <TomTomTosch> the usual reason to upgrade is hardware support^^
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• 979[06:08:16] <ixor> I am guna jsut keep 8.6 amd64 as is
• 980[06:08:27] <ixor> is working nicely with JFS and deadline
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• 982[06:08:41] <ixor> on my 6 core amd fx with 16g ram :)
• 983[06:09:17] <pingfloyd> ixor: if you're having issues with the 3.16 kernel image that comes with jessie, then you probably should try the 4.6 version from backports next.
• 984[06:09:30] <ixor> no issues
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• 986[06:09:38] <ixor> I am just a whore for the newest stuff
• 987[06:09:41] <pingfloyd> I'd stick with 3.16 then for now
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• 989[06:09:47] <pingfloyd> !sns
• 990[06:09:47] <dpkg> Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
• 991[06:10:00] <tom99> does anybody know how to use jigdo on windows?
• 992[06:10:14] <tom99> I tried jigdo-file make-image <URL of jigdo file> but so far nothing
• 993[06:10:24] <catrox> windozzzze
• 994[06:10:37] <ixor> out blassfeeeiere!
• 995[06:10:58] <ixor> the streets shall flow red with the blood of the unbeleivers!
• 996[06:11:09] <catrox> the torches and pitchforks come forth
• 997[06:11:31] <ixor> mr sulu lock photon torpedo on and fire at will
• 998[06:11:36] <tom99> but I repented and now wish to only download the one true OS (TM)
• 999[06:11:43] <tom99> Please have mercy
• 1000[06:11:49] <ixor> [ * ]
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• 1002[06:12:07] <tom99> ixor: lol wow
• 1003[06:12:08] <ixor> [ **** ]
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• 1006[06:12:23] <ixor> [ ********** ]
• 1007[06:12:26] <ixor> BOOOOM!
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• 1012[06:14:24] <jmcnaught> tom99: most people just use the netinst, one windows you can copy it to a USB stick with win32diskimager
• 1013[06:14:36] <jmcnaught> s/one/on/
• 1014[06:14:57] <pingfloyd> ixor: ever seen this? replaced-url
• 1015[06:16:09] <Nadeem> how to use tpb to display osd for volume , brightness, etc on thinkpad with debian??
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• 1027[06:22:09] <tom99> dddebian
• 1028[06:22:17] <tom99> why am i still connected if jigdo is giving me host not found errors
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• 1032[06:26:31] <rjsalts> tom99: dns problems?
• 1033[06:27:04] <jmcnaught> Nadeem: does it still work? tpb looks pretty old, and the README in the package only lists older models
• 1034[06:27:20] <tom99> rjsalts: jigdo problems
• 1035[06:27:33] <tom99> now it's a zombie process, can't kill it can't close it
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• 1037[06:27:55] <rjsalts> tom99: zombies should be reaped by their parent
• 1038[06:28:08] <rjsalts> tom99: what is the parent process?
• 1039[06:28:18] <Nadeem> jmcnaught: i am using i3 window manger i want to know volume and brightness status thats y???? any suggestions
• 1040[06:29:12] <tom99> rjsalts: i'm on windows and i don't know, all i know is I tried to get jigdo to download a debian image and now i have a zombie process that won't go away after it got host errors
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• 1043[06:30:15] <jmcnaught> Nadeem: i use GNOME, stuff like that just works. maybe in #i3 people will have suggestions
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• 1045[06:31:28] <rjsalts> tom99: oh, windows is a different beast. never used jigdo on windows. But replaced-url
• 1046[06:31:46] <tom99> rjsalts: i'm retrying in another command window with jigdo the other version
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• 1048[06:33:07] <tom99> rjsalts: I ran that procexp thing but I only see the current jigdo operation I did. not the other one that's frozen
• 1049[06:33:12] <tom99> but the window is still there in explorer
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• 1052[06:33:47] <tom99> killed and restarted explorer in windows and that fixed the problem, it went away
• 1053[06:33:55] <tom99> Thank you for your help rjsalts!
• 1054[06:34:12] <tom99> oh wait i was too premature
• 1055[06:34:15] <tom99> it's still there. :(
• 1056[06:35:17] <rjsalts> tom99: I'm afraid I've exhausted my windows and jigdo knowledge, apart from the advice that a reboot would definitely fix it
• 1057[06:35:56] <tom99> rjsalts: I feel irked whenever I have to do that. It's like, ok can't straighten out this picture frame, time to demolish the house with fire and rebuild.
• 1058[06:36:00] <rjsalts> tom99: Is the new jigdo process working fine, or is it running into files it can't open
• 1059[06:36:45] <rjsalts> tom99: same
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• 1061[06:37:28] <tom99> it seems to be farther along, it's talking about assembling file 1 of 3 thousand something
• 1062[06:37:52] <tom99> i didn't know what to type in when it asked for a mirror so I randomly pasted something about berkeley from the jigdo FAQ
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• 1064[06:38:22] <tom99> so this time I tried us.debian.org, ftp.us.debian.org/debian, and I think ftp.us.debian.org finally worked
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• 1066[06:39:19] <rjsalts> yes, that's right
• 1067[06:39:19] <tom99> i don't know what i'm doing and jigdo own page and debian wiki don't say so I just type whatever I guess. :)
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• 1069[06:39:57] <tom99> and if I have to guess you can imagine what the ordinary user is going to think. lol.
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• 1071[06:40:48] <tom99> anyway it seems to be downloading now so i'll come back later and the next guy on windows who wants debian can suffer i guess
• 1072[06:41:00] <tom99> afk
• 1073[06:41:09] <rjsalts> jigdo is supposed to be a generic solution to creating a cd image from a large number of separate files. I'm surprised that debian wiki wasn't helpful though
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• 1078[06:45:04] <TomTomTosch> the wiki has a working url and an example of usage.
• 1079[06:46:41] <TomTomTosch> and links to more extensive documentation.
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• 1095[06:55:26] <TomTomTosch> tom99: step for step instructions^^ replaced-url
• 1096[06:56:18] <TomTomTosch> might be a good idea to copy that to the wiki, though.
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• 1132[07:21:30] <rydereg> Much like Theodore Kaufman, Louis Nizer, and Henry Morgenthau (all jews), Earnest Hooton (another jew) wanted to see the German people destroyed, but he sought to do it with mass non-White male immigration. Ursula Haverbeck, who is now a political prisoner for exposing Holocaust lies, lays out the genocidal plans against the German people in her last public address.
• 1133[07:21:32] <rydereg> replaced-url
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• 1149[07:29:42] <jmcnaught> !ops tomorrowskies and in #d-o too
• 1150[07:29:42] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: jmcnaught complains about: tomorrowskies and in #d-o too
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• 1153[07:29:58] <tomorrowskies> Much like Theodore Kaufman, Louis Nizer, and Henry Morgenthau (all jews), Earnest Hooton (another jew) wanted to see the German people destroyed, but he sought to do it with mass non-White male immigration. Ursula Haverbeck, who is now a political prisoner for exposing Holocaust lies, lays out the genocidal plans against the German people in her last public address.
• 1154[07:29:59] <tomorrowskies> replaced-url
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• 1156[07:30:11] <tomorrowskies> Alarmingly, four of the five points of this jewish plan are already completed.
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• 1158[07:30:42] <tomorrowskies> In this 29 minute video Ursula Haverbeck, a German woman who lived through WWII discusses the migrant invasion how it is part of larger plan to destroy Germany, and is a continuation of the WW II era Hooton Plan (and similar schemes), created by organized jewry as part of their larger plan for world domination, aka, the Jew World Order — KATANA.
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• 1300[08:57:02] <Epakai> how do i make emacs stop opening things (mostly via xdg-open) just because i have it installed for gcl?
• 1301[08:58:35] <Epakai> i have alternatives set appropriately
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• 1342[09:19:21] <tom99> TomTomTosch, it appears I was mistaken.
• 1343[09:19:41] <tom99> or else I randomly read that text and then forgot i read it, prompting me to "guess" the url ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian
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• 1345[09:21:03] <tom99> I couldn't find jigdo-lite script either at first
• 1346[09:21:17] <tom99> I finally realized what happened is when you Extract here on windows it doesn't create a directory
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• 1348[09:21:42] <tom99> Therefore you pick the jigdo-bin folder thinking that is the folder for jigdo and there is no script to use. T_T
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• 1374[09:30:15] <trooper900> replaced-url
• 1375[09:31:19] <trooper900> Representing Radio Stormer, replaced-url
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• 1379[09:31:50] <cdown> !ops ^
• 1380[09:31:50] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: cdown complains about: ^
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• 1390[09:34:53] <k_sze[work]> I read somewhere that I don't actually need root privilege to set a thread's scheduling priority? I just need the correct rlimit for my user. How do I set that?
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• 1433[09:51:36] <dionysus69> why is it that copying large files sometimes makes whole gnome freeze
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• 1435[09:52:09] <dionysus69> usually from my experience nautilus performance is very bad surprisingly...
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• 1442[09:54:30] <DriesS> for my beaglebone I can choose debian iot or console
• 1443[09:54:38] <DriesS> what is the big difference between the 2?
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• 1448[09:57:48] <jelly> DriesS: choose where?
• 1449[09:57:58] <DriesS> to download image
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• 1451[09:58:13] <jelly> DriesS: is this image on debian.org somewhere, what's the URL?
• 1452[09:58:18] <DriesS> jelly: replaced-url
• 1453[09:58:50] <jelly> DriesS: official debian images will be hosted somewhere on debian.org, usually cdimage.debian.org
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• 1456[09:59:50] <jelly> DriesS: these downloads seem to be from replaced-url
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• 1497[10:26:00] <Ke> how do I cancel pendin actions on aptitude, if cancel pending actions does not work
• 1498[10:26:13] <Ke> I want to aptitude to try to do nothing
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• 1500[10:27:50] <rjsalts> Ke: If you're still in the same session ctrl-u to undo
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• 1502[10:28:17] <Ke> nope
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• 1505[10:29:29] <Ke> bah, I'll just go ahead with it
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• 1511[10:30:57] <babilen> Ke: "aptitude keep-all"
• 1512[10:31:14] <Ke> thanks, I'll try that next time
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• 1514[10:32:46] <babilen> It's a bit of a badly chosen name, but it does exactly that
• 1515[10:32:56] <babilen> Not sure how to do it in the TUI
• 1516[10:33:01] <Ke> it is a big pain to not have networking while installing
• 1517[10:33:12] <rjsalts> I'm trying to backport nss-wrapper to jessie. Getting an error compiling the test suite: "nss-wrapper-1.1.2/tests/test_getaddrinfo.c:713:3: error: implicit declaration of function ‘cmocka_unit_test’ [-Wimplicit-function-declaration]" should I log a bug. Seems like it probably needs a versioned build-depends on something
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• 1523[10:34:55] <rjsalts> there is a menu item under actions "Cancel pending actions"
• 1524[10:35:11] <rjsalts> but no hotkey
• 1525[10:35:28] <tom99> rjsalts: i wanted to mentino you were right earlier, the debian wiki does have valid instructions for jigdo
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• 1528[10:35:48] <tom99> they may be a little overly complicated for such simple operation but they do work
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• 1533[10:37:19] <Ke> rjsalts: which, for some reason, did not work for me
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• 1535[10:37:55] <rjsalts> I didn't notice it before. I usually go through package by package to fix it
• 1536[10:38:23] <Ke> yup, starting from 0 would have been way easier for me
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• 1538[10:38:39] <Ke> task-gnome-desktop on almost empty system
• 1539[10:38:58] <Ke> more new packages than the original system size
• 1540[10:40:02] <rjsalts> yep, as I suspected, needs a versioned build depends on libcmocka-dev. Should I report it?
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• 1547[10:43:36] <shtrb> how can I setup left click and drag on a touchpad - I was able to do tap and drag for the window but I need something like when you click on the left mouse button to select
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• 1550[10:46:04] <tom99> sorry if this is an off topic question
• 1551[10:46:14] <tom99> but if I want to install different versions of emacs on my wheezy or debian boxes
• 1552[10:46:27] <tom99> can I do that with a chroot or do I need to use the --configure options?
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• 1554[10:47:09] <tom99> I have emacs23 and on my wheezy box here that's messed up and there's no way i can see to download the el source files. So I downloaded emacs-23.1.tar.gz instead
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• 1564[10:48:57] <TomTomTosch> dunno, if it's the same system as before you might not be able to install anything. but wheezy-backports has emacs24
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• 1569[10:50:32] <TomTomTosch> ... and emacs24-el for that matter.
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• 1574[10:54:23] <neoclust> hi
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• 1576[10:55:43] <tom99> hmm, I could try that
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• 1594[11:04:02] <tom99> ok i changed the line in my /etc/apt/sources.list that was "testing main contrib non-free" to "wheezy-backports main contrib non-free"
• 1595[11:04:26] <tom99> then ran apt-get update. it wouldn't do it at first but when I used the commandline option -t wheezy-backports it did seem to work
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• 1597[11:04:43] <TomTomTosch> you are going to have a bad time. also you need the wheezy main repo for backports to work.
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• 1600[11:05:48] <TomTomTosch> -t wheezy-backports only makes sense when you install something from w-b
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• 1602[11:05:56] <tigryss> hi
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• 1606[11:06:32] <tigryss> i have a trouble with my sound device under jessie
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• 1609[11:07:08] <tigryss> aplay -l
• 1610[11:07:08] <tigryss> **** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices ****
• 1611[11:07:08] <tigryss> aplay: device_list:289: snd_ctl_pcm_next_device
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• 1614[11:07:26] <tigryss> there is no sound
• 1615[11:07:46] <babilen> tom99: You really don't require wheezy-backports if you are tracking testing
• 1616[11:08:00] <tigryss> and if i try to start alsa
• 1617[11:08:06] <tigryss> command not found
• 1618[11:08:18] <tom99> babilen: i don't know what i'm doing on this box, i'm going to reinstall and maybe have a few different debians. a jessie and a testing or sid maybe
• 1619[11:08:18] <babilen> dpkg: alsa checklist
• 1620[11:08:18] <dpkg> 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
• 1621[11:08:19] <tigryss> can someone help me please
• 1622[11:09:04] <babilen> tom99: Why don't you start with jessie and install some newer packages from jessie-backports as a start? That would allow you to learn before making the jump (if necessary) to a testing/unstable mix.
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• 1624[11:09:27] <babilen> tom99: I can strongly recommend reading replaced-url
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• 1629[11:11:14] <tom99> babilen: i'm not sure i follow, what will I gain in terms of experience from installing jessie backports?
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• 1632[11:11:51] <babilen> tom99: The experience to run a stable system with backports
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• 1638[11:15:25] <iKarith> Figured out why X was shutting down when my monitor was disconnected. LightDM was killing it, seeing an "error" that the monitor went away.
• 1639[11:15:38] <iKarith> It can be told not to do that. I have done so.
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• 1651[11:22:53] <tom99> lol weird
• 1652[11:23:04] <tom99> now I have emacs23 and emacs24 on my system side by side. o_O
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• 1655[11:24:05] <babilen> tom99: yes .. that is, well, not something you want.
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• 1660[11:25:43] <tom99> it's not?
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• 1662[11:25:52] <tom99> i mean i can run them and they both seem fine
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• 1669[11:32:42] <TomTomTosch> the el stuff installed too?
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• 1672[11:34:54] <JyZyXEL> how do you mount a USB mp3 player on debian?
• 1673[11:35:04] <JyZyXEL> i plug it in and i get this in dmesg: replaced-url
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• 1675[11:35:16] <JyZyXEL> i don't understand how to mount it
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• 1681[11:38:15] <Storfiskaren> JyZyXEL: you don't understand mounting at all, or you don't understand how to mount the usb-device?
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• 1683[11:38:40] <JyZyXEL> i don't understand how to mount this particular device
• 1684[11:38:43] <Storfiskaren> JyZyXEL: running "fdisk -l" as root will display the partitions of all devices connected
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• 1687[11:39:14] <JyZyXEL> i don't see the mp3 player on that list
• 1688[11:39:24] <tom99> TomTomTosch: I think so, let me check
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• 1690[11:39:38] <Storfiskaren> JyZyXEL: what does "lsusb" report?
• 1691[11:39:40] <meowschwitz> JyZyXEL: it doesn't set up the USB link correctly and resets it
• 1692[11:39:43] <meowschwitz> JyZyXEL: try another port
• 1693[11:39:53] <meowschwitz> or cable..
• 1694[11:39:58] <JyZyXEL> Bus 002 Device 025: ID 041e:4117 Creative Technology, Ltd Nomad MuVo TX
• 1695[11:40:10] <JyZyXEL> i did try multiple different ports
• 1696[11:40:32] <tom99> TomTomTosch, yes it installed after I added the backports repo and disabled testing
• 1697[11:40:41] <meowschwitz> JyZyXEL: replaced-url
• 1698[11:40:49] <tom99> it's a bunch of files in /usr/share/emacs/24.4/lisp/X
• 1699[11:40:50] <meowschwitz> this is how my player looks like in dmesg
• 1700[11:40:57] <JyZyXEL> well mine looks a lot different
• 1701[11:41:26] <tom99> for example X = language/lao.el.gz
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• 1703[11:41:43] <meowschwitz> JyZyXEL: yes, the scsi driver isn't poked for some reason
• 1704[11:41:52] <meowschwitz> therefore no device created, not mountable
• 1705[11:41:59] <meowschwitz> what kernel is this?
• 1706[11:42:05] <tom99> or X = vc/ediff-help.el.gz
• 1707[11:42:19] <JyZyXEL> well why not?
• 1708[11:42:45] <JyZyXEL> it clearly says it detects it as a USB Mass Storage device
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• 1710[11:44:42] * meowschwitz shrugs
• 1711[11:44:48] <meowschwitz> do you have libmtp installed?
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• 1715[11:48:24] <JyZyXEL> meowschwitz: yeah
• 1716[11:48:34] <JyZyXEL> both libmtp-common and libmtp-runtime
• 1717[11:49:05] <JyZyXEL> though i don't even know if MTP existed back when this device was made 10-15 years ago
• 1718[11:49:05] <Slashman> hello, stupid question, I suppose this crontab syntax is correct : "15 2-22,0 * * * command"? I never tried hyphen and comma on the same field
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• 1722[11:50:42] <bazhang> ,v gmtp
• 1723[11:50:42] <judd> Package: gmtp on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.3.3-1; jessie: 1.3.7-1; jessie-backports: 1.3.9-2~bpo8+1; sid: 1.3.10-1; stretch: 1.3.10-1
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• 1725[11:50:53] <bazhang> that works with many such devices
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• 1727[11:51:19] <bazhang> but then again, so does rhythmbox
• 1728[11:51:31] <han-solo> Slashman: yeah
• 1729[11:51:33] <han-solo> although "man 5 crontab"
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• 1732[11:52:01] <han-solo> don't know about ',' though
• 1733[11:52:02] <JyZyXEL> i think its a mass storage device rather than a MTP device?
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• 1740[11:52:41] <bazhang> which exact device is this
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• 1742[11:53:26] <Slashman> han-solo: I don't see any example combining hyphen and comma, I guess I'll have to test it
• 1743[11:54:05] <han-solo> TIAS
• 1744[11:54:35] <Disaster> hey guys. can anybody help with apt-get autoremove? It wants to remove my custom kernel but it's markes as APT::NeverAutoRemove so it shouldn't. I'm running jessie. Details: replaced-url
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• 1756[12:04:44] <medmed> can someone explain to what grub_platform=xxen do?
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• 1759[12:07:03] <evilman_work> medmed: negotiation of running under xen hypervisor (the host is a xen virtual machine).
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• 1761[12:07:03] <meowschwitz> JyZyXEL: remove it and see what happens
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• 1763[12:07:20] <SwedeMike> medmed: it seems to stop offering to boot a xen hypervisor kernel if grub is being run in a Xen client.
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• 1769[12:09:08] <SwedeMike> medmed: also inserts some xen modules which I guess are for console IO under xen.
• 1770[12:09:26] <medmed> evilman_work, right so on my single non-virt box it would never trigger right. I started looking into it bc. i noticed kvm was activated pr. default. I can remove all that stuff if im running on a single box w/o virt right?
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• 1775[12:10:25] <evilman_work> medmed: yep.
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• 1780[12:11:09] <medmed> evilman_work, SwedeMike ok thank you!
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• 1825[12:38:43] <fiveflowerzz> Hi!
• 1826[12:39:22] <fiveflowerzz> I use "tar jtvf blah.tar.bz2" to list all files in an archive
• 1827[12:39:23] <fiveflowerzz> How to list them sorted by size?
• 1828[12:39:23] <fiveflowerzz> Or
• 1829[12:39:27] <fiveflowerzz> List only files bigger than 10 MB?
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• 1839[12:45:55] <umbaman> Hi.. I want to grep into a folder to find a string in a file... how can I format the commmand?
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• 1843[12:48:36] <teraflops> I think if you type literally that question in Google you get useful stuff including examples
• 1844[12:49:13] <petn-randall> umbaman: grep -r "yourstring" .
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• 1848[12:50:13] <umbaman> cheers petn-randall
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• 1937[13:40:15] <guiniol> hey guys, where can I find a list of the base packages explicitely installed by debian when I first install it? I need to set them as explicitely installed on my VPS. Not sure how it was installed, but when attempting to remove one package and its dependencies, it's trying to remove half of the system
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• 1948[13:46:00] <maxcell_> #fedora
• 1949[13:46:15] <ksk> guiniol: apt would not do that without a good reason.
• 1950[13:46:41] <ksk> guiniol: could you nopaste your command and the output you get?
• 1951[13:46:49] <ksk> !tell guiniol about paste
• 1952[13:47:05] <guiniol> ksk: I got a preinstall VPS server, I do not know how it was installed, but I do believe I should be able to 'apt autoremove gcc-6-base' without removing most of my system
• 1953[13:47:22] <ksk> why the .. autoremove? just use remove please
• 1954[13:47:44] <guiniol> ksk: to remove unneeded dependencies too
• 1955[13:47:46] <guiniol> no?
• 1956[13:47:49] <ksk> autoremove is a seperate action for apt, it removes all packages that are not needed
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• 1958[13:48:22] <guiniol> ksk: replaced-url
• 1959[13:48:38] <guiniol> so, how do I remove gcc-6-base and its dependencies
• 1960[13:48:46] <guiniol> and when should I use autoremove?
• 1961[13:50:15] <lowin> Does apt generally restart services when upgrading or should that be done manually?
• 1962[13:50:37] <ksk> lowin: the packages do restart the service they ship
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• 1964[13:50:57] <ksk> but I dont really know if thats always the case
• 1965[13:51:02] <ksk> guiniol: no paste or no help..
• 1966[13:51:10] <ksk> oh..
• 1967[13:51:13] <lowin> ksk, ah so it's a maintainer thing
• 1968[13:51:14] <guiniol> ^^
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• 1970[13:51:55] <guiniol> ksk: and to be clear, if I only do 'apt autoremove' then there is no unneeded packages
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• 1972[13:52:27] <ksk> does not really look good the output :> what does an "aptitude why gcc-6-base" say?
• 1973[13:54:15] <guiniol> yes, I def don't want to uninstall all taht
• 1974[13:55:07] <guiniol> 'aptitude why gcc-6-base: libstdc++6 Depends gcc-6-base (= 6.2.0-3)'
• 1975[13:55:08] <cruncher> guiniol, as ksk already said, you should not use autoremove
• 1976[13:55:14] <guiniol> I guess I can't remove that
• 1977[13:55:25] <guiniol> cruncher: ok, but what should I use to remove unused dependencies?
• 1978[13:56:04] <guiniol> tbh, 'apt remove gcc-6-base' gives the exact same output
• 1979[13:56:05] <cruncher> if you do apt-get autoremove gcc-6-base, it will do basically a 'apt-get remove gcc-6-base' AND after that a 'apt-get autoremove'
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• 1981[13:56:19] <cruncher> thats why it will remove so many (important) things
• 1982[13:56:19] <lkeijser> hi, I need to mirror an ubuntu repository, including all versions for the packages. I have a list of packages, so I don't need to mirror _all_ packages. What tool can I best use for this?
• 1983[13:56:56] <guiniol> cruncher: so I should be using autoremove, simply not to target gcc-6-base
• 1984[13:57:11] <cruncher> in your case, or the one., or the other
• 1985[13:57:58] <guiniol> gcc-6-base doesn't include gcc, so I should be fine
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• 1987[13:58:03] <guiniol> I didn't want gcc to be installed
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• 1990[13:59:12] <cruncher> gcc-6-base is not really gcc, just some base files
• 1991[13:59:57] <guiniol> apparently, yes
• 1992[13:59:59] <cruncher> can you paste the output of apt-get remove gcc-6-base
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• 1994[14:00:29] <guiniol> it's the same as for autoremove, or close enough
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• 1997[14:00:54] <guiniol> let me just finish the update and I'll have a paste
• 1998[14:02:30] <debkad> for user in irc_users; do echo hello $user and welcome to debian; done
• 1999[14:03:26] <han-solo> what?
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• 2001[14:04:08] <cruncher> and guiniol, this is a debian stablel channel.. why do you have gcc-6 anyway?
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• 2004[14:04:37] <jason3> hi
• 2005[14:04:43] <debkad> hi
• 2006[14:05:12] <ksk> just wanted to ask him for a cat /etc/debian_version :P
• 2007[14:05:31] <cruncher> :)
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• 2009[14:05:46] <debkad> i have gcc (Debian 6.1.1-11) 6.1.1 20160802
• 2010[14:06:05] <jason3> is there a way to temporarely tell networkmanager to not touch the interfaces? i would like to work with a router via ethernet, but still use the internet via the wlan connection - which is using my normal router. so everybody i attack my laptop to the new router via cable networkmanager changes the default gateway to the cable connection
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• 2012[14:06:34] <cruncher> guiniol, we would need to see now your /etc/apt/sources.list to help/guide you further
• 2013[14:07:25] <guiniol> cruncher, ksk: here is the output of 'apt remove gcc-6-base'
• 2014[14:07:31] <guiniol> I didn't realise this was a stable only
• 2015[14:07:42] <guiniol> I made the mistake of installing an unstable
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• 2017[14:08:04] <debkad> mine is a backport
• 2018[14:08:16] <guiniol> so I'm configuring everything, and then I'll do it again on a clean stable install
• 2019[14:08:17] <cruncher> guiniol, if you have unstable then you should go to #debian-next on OFTC server
• 2020[14:08:18] <ksk> debian 6.x is not really unstable, but oldoldstable?
• 2021[14:08:38] <cruncher> guiniol, if you want stable, yes
• 2022[14:09:03] <guiniol> okay, but my question was generic enough, and is solved now, but I'll keep it in mind for next time
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• 2025[14:09:48] <debkad> cruncher, i have a backport, is that irc to me too?
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• 2027[14:10:33] <cruncher> debkad, no, if you dont have testing/unstable this is the right channel (for the moment ;-))
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• 2029[14:10:44] <debkad> oh thanks
• 2030[14:10:51] <cruncher> as i dont know if there is a special channel for old*stable
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• 2032[14:11:22] <guiniol> cruncher, ksk: other than that, I didn't change my sources.list, so it should be the default unstable one
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• 2038[14:13:16] <cruncher> guiniol, you said 'here is the output of 'apt remove gcc-6-base' ... stil lwaiting for it ;-)
• 2039[14:13:46] <cruncher> but wait, i think you really should move the the unstable channel i mentioned earlier
• 2040[14:14:00] <guiniol> cruncher: sorry, here it is replaced-url
• 2041[14:14:07] <guiniol> and yes, I'll move
• 2042[14:14:15] <guiniol> but for now, you guys have solved my problem
• 2043[14:14:38] <guiniol> which was that gcc-6-base is required by libstdc++ so really should not be removed
• 2044[14:14:51] <guiniol> so, ksk, cruncher, thank you very much'
• 2045[14:15:34] <cruncher> no problem
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• 2052[14:20:13] <iamawesome> Hi,
• 2053[14:20:39] <iamawesome> Is there any website where i can find a list of necessary/essential/important packages to install?
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• 2055[14:21:14] <gosul33t> iamawesome, you can look through the debian's handbook
• 2056[14:21:15] <iamawesome> Important system package and development packages
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• 2059[14:21:37] <ksk> iamawesome: aptitude search '?essential'; also google has lots of hits on that..
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• 2068[14:24:59] <iamawesome> ksk, What does '?essential' do ?
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• 2070[14:25:22] <ksk> you asked how to get a list of essential packages!?
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• 2074[14:26:07] <iamawesome> ksk, Yes, i got a list, and all of those are installed
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• 2078[14:26:17] <iamawesome> But how did it get that list?
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• 2080[14:26:46] <ksk> the packages have a state, and you listed all packages with state essential (its not named state but something else)
• 2081[14:27:17] <ksk> iamawesome: replaced-url
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• 2083[14:27:32] <iamawesome> Ok, thank you all.
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• 2158[15:05:32] <gribouille> hi
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• 2164[15:07:06] <gribouille> I have a set of source packages with build dependencies among them. how can I do to build them all in order?
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• 2175[15:08:41] <sunkan> Seems ntlm_auth from samba winbind package is broken since some update in Jessie. My question is if there's somewhere I can find older compiled packages to try out (even if they contain known security issues)?
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• 2187[15:13:04] <cruncher> sunkan, if you are looking for older debian packages go to snapshot.debian.org
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• 2194[15:16:01] <sunkan> cruncher: Thanks! I should have remembered that, was trying archive and did not search for the right thing since I did not find it I guess.
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• 2200[15:17:46] <Sayona> Hello :)
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• 2202[15:18:16] <gribouille> I have a set of source packages with build dependencies among them. how can I do to build them all in order?
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• 2205[15:19:02] <Sayona> Question, I try to sort folders .... using du -lh | sort -nr , but give me wrong: replaced-url
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• 2212[15:22:26] <Iridos> Sayona, sort -h
• 2213[15:22:43] <Sayona> Iridos, nop
• 2214[15:22:44] <Sayona> 8.5G ./2016-09-21
• 2215[15:22:44] <Sayona> 8.6G ./2016-09-01
• 2216[15:22:55] <Sayona> 01 need to be first
• 2217[15:22:59] <Iridos> that's correct, it sorted sizes
• 2218[15:23:10] <Sayona> s/first/frist
• 2219[15:23:21] <Sayona> I want to be folder-name
• 2220[15:23:37] <Iridos> | sorte -k2,2
• 2221[15:23:45] <Iridos> sort
• 2222[15:24:15] <Sayona> thanks :*
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• 2224[15:24:52] <Sayona> Iridos, but 2,2 what mean?
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• 2228[15:25:53] <Iridos> man sort /-k
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• 2231[15:26:11] <Iridos> mmh, that's actually not so great
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• 2234[15:26:33] <Iridos> info sort ctrl-s -k POS
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• 2237[15:26:54] <Iridos> or search for --key
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• 2239[15:26:54] <themill> -h is probably worthwhile too
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• 2242[15:27:14] <Iridos> if you scroll up a little, that wasn't what he wanted
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• 2245[15:27:38] <jelly> they seemed to want one thing at first, then another later
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• 2247[15:28:02] <Sayona> thanks Iridos
• 2248[15:28:03] <jelly> when one does du one usually wants to sort by, y'know, disk usage
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• 2251[15:28:14] <Sayona> i reak, key
• 2252[15:28:19] <Sayona> s/reak/read
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• 2254[15:28:47] * jelly does du -x /some/mountpoint | sort -n | tail -40
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• 2257[15:29:43] <jelly> but I can also see how many gigabytes or terabytes there are from a default df output, without -h
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• 2259[15:30:20] <Sayona> jelly, not display the same your command, the sort is not the same :D
• 2260[15:31:39] <jelly> Sayona: I didn't say it was the same, I said it's useful enough for me
• 2261[15:31:48] <Sayona> :P
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• 2263[15:31:54] <jelly> s/said/meant/
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• 2306[15:44:37] <Psy-Q> does tomcat8 on debian use the normal system-wide cert store?
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• 2313[15:46:56] <ksk> Psy-Q: java has his own keystore, no?
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• 2318[15:48:52] <neoclust> hi maybe a stupid question but i do package for a wheezy and i don't want to have files in pyshared, i only want to have /usr/lib/.... . Is there a way to disable the use of pyshared symlinks ?
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• 2323[15:50:27] <jelly> ksk: debian has a bit of infrastructure do make ca cert bundles available for openssl, nss and java
• 2324[15:50:44] <ksk> ah okay.
• 2325[15:51:10] <jelly> or was it openssl and gnutls and nss
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• 2332[15:51:53] <themill> neoclust: no
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• 2335[15:53:10] <neoclust> themill: oh ok , i need to have a python file with an execution bit it is OK in /usr/lib but when it is "translated in pyshared" the new file in /usr/share/pyshared/ look this +x
• 2336[15:53:15] <neoclust> themill: this is "normal" ?
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• 2338[15:53:46] <themill> real commands and real output would be better than descriptions
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• 2340[15:55:10] <Psy-Q> so you think if it's in the java keystore, tomcat (from package, not installed from a zip) would pick that up?
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• 2343[15:55:48] <jelly> dunno, my tomcats some from a tarball :'(
• 2344[15:55:51] <jelly> come*
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• 2348[15:57:43] <neoclust> themill: debian/tmp/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/pulse_xmpp_agent/launcher.py is 755, and when i build the deb i have: # ls -l /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/pulse_xmpp_agent/launcher.py
• 2349[15:57:47] <neoclust> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 55 sept. 20 10:54 /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/pulse_xmpp_agent/launcher.py -> ../../../../share/pyshared/pulse_xmpp_agent/launcher.py
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• 2351[15:58:07] <neoclust> and /usr/share/pyshared/pulse_xmpp_agent/launcher.py is 644
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• 2358[16:00:01] <themill> neoclust: how are you building this package? and what version of dh-python are you using? (Also, a module *should* be 0644 not 0755)
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• 2382[16:10:42] <wewlad> hello debs, I forgot everything. I need to configure apache, I opened their docs but their docs have different paths than the ones used in Debian. I've located apachectl binary, but I can't locate 'httpd.conf' file. 'whereis httpd.conf' yields 'httpd:' and 'find / -iname 'httpd.conf' yielded nothing.
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• 2384[16:11:23] <meowschwitz> wewlad: /etc/apache2
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• 2386[16:11:42] <themill> You probably want a directory within that
• 2387[16:11:43] <meowschwitz> there's no httpd whatever, httpd is H convention
• 2388[16:12:02] <greycat> Debian calls the program /usr/sbin/apache2
• 2389[16:12:05] <wewlad> meowschwitz: thanks, turns out it's apache2.conf
• 2390[16:12:09] <jelly> wewlad: rea this first: zless /usr/share/doc/apache2/README.Debian.gz
• 2391[16:12:23] <wewlad> jelly: thanks
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• 2395[16:14:01] <themill> wewlad: you probably don't want to touch apache2.conf
• 2396[16:14:29] <wewlad> themill: why?
• 2397[16:14:38] <themill> [00:12] <jelly> wewlad: rea this first: zless /usr/share/doc/apache2/README.Debian.gz
• 2398[16:14:42] <wewlad> oh
• 2399[16:14:59] <jelly> d
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• 2401[16:15:28] <jhutchins> Some of us remember apache 1.4 and monolithic configurations.
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• 2405[16:16:38] <jelly> debian had sites-{avaialable,enabled} at 1.4 time
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• 2412[16:17:33] <jelly> or was it 1.3
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• 2414[16:17:50] <jelly> I don't remember apache 1.4
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• 2417[16:18:28] <themill> FTR replaced-url
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• 2420[16:19:20] <wewlad> replaced-url
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• 2428[16:22:20] <wewlad> themill: what's that?
• 2429[16:22:49] <wewlad> README.Debian there doesn't match /usr/share/doc/apache2/README.Debian.gz
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• 2432[16:24:10] <greycat> I'd trust Debian's own documentation over Apache's when it comes to describing Debian's changes to Apache.
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• 2435[16:25:00] <jelly> wewlad: looks pretty matching to me.
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• 2445[16:27:13] <themill> might need to define "there"
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• 2447[16:27:54] <jelly> it's different because the file is compressed these days?
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• 2449[16:28:20] <themill> I suspect there is a comparison between 1.3 and 2.4 being made
• 2450[16:28:28] <Slashman> han-solo: about the crontab syntax "15 2-22,0 * * * command" (with comma and hyphen on the same field), I tested it and it works as expected
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• 2452[16:29:24] <greycat> With the usual caveats about daylight savings time.
• 2453[16:29:30] <han-solo> Slashman: great!
• 2454[16:29:44] <jelly> "2:15 never happened!"
• 2455[16:29:49] <greycat> Right. That one.
• 2456[16:30:04] <greycat> And the other one, "It happened twice!"
• 2457[16:30:11] <themill> ♩♫ Let's do the time warp again
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• 2459[16:30:56] <han-solo> never heard that song, or is it a song?
• 2460[16:31:06] <jelly> if the user wants to "run on *:15 except 1:15 because backups or some stuff," then it's fine I guess
• 2461[16:31:24] <greycat> han-solo: it's from Rocky Horror Picture Show. Really, really, *really* well known.
• 2462[16:31:37] * themill apologies for the earworm
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• 2468[16:34:12] <han-solo> greycat: thanks
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• 2496[16:42:53] <wewlad> did I get it right that using '/etc/init.d/apache2 restart' is more preferred over 'apachectl restart'?
• 2497[16:43:44] <greycat> If you're on wheezy, I suppose... otherwise I'd say systemctl restart apache2 is preferred over both.
• 2498[16:44:00] <wewlad> I'm on 8.5
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• 2500[16:44:16] <greycat> You'll want to start getting used to systemctl.
• 2501[16:44:24] <han-solo> actually, i guess systemctl is more preferred
• 2502[16:44:30] <han-solo> ah
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• 2505[16:45:32] <themill> also, it's time to install some updates.
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• 2526[16:49:57] <jer0me> hey there, where would I find wpa_supplicant logs when using wicd? For some reasons, I can't connect to some open AP.
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• 2528[16:50:06] <jer0me> (broadcom chip)
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• 2530[16:50:28] <medmed> most flexible email client for debian?
• 2531[16:50:28] <somiaj> I think the logs are all put into wicd's logs. Have you check those?
• 2532[16:50:55] <greycat> medmed: I use mutt. I don't know what you mean by "flexible" though.
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• 2535[16:51:22] <jer0me> somiaj: hmm I just found that all the dhclient related logs go to daemon.log
• 2536[16:51:25] <somiaj> medmed: mutt? For graphical email clients there are icedove (thunderbird) and evolution
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• 2539[16:52:45] <medmed> well i want something that is easy to work with. i need all profile and data on a usb stick that can be opened and used on various os'es and boxes w/o config every time.
• 2540[16:53:46] <medmed> im using thunderbird atm. but i feel like every single config takes forever and the doc sucks.
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• 2544[16:54:27] <themill> if you don't want to spend time configuring it, then an inflexible client would be better...
• 2545[16:54:32] <medmed> greycat, i would love to use mutt but im afraid it will have too much a productivity impact. im not leet ^^
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• 2548[16:55:01] <greycat> Try it and see.
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• 2550[16:55:10] <medmed> themill, guess your right - but i still want it to be able to do stuff
• 2551[16:56:00] <medmed> greycat, mbe i will. right now gtg eat
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• 2553[16:57:00] <wewlad> I am confused between the apache-apache and debian-apache docs again: 'apachectl -M' doesn't work for me, it says: "Configuration error: No MPM loaded.". A guy from #httpd says I need to just enable MPM module and linked to this page: replaced-url
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• 2555[16:58:30] <wewlad> 1. Does the system support threads? 2. Does the system support thread-safe polling (Specifically, the kqueue and epoll functions)?
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• 2558[16:58:47] <wewlad> y,y or y,n?
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• 2561[16:59:42] <queso> What's the right way to install a package without having its daemon(s) start? (Using Jessie.)
• 2562[16:59:52] <greycat> queso: Debian does not offer that option.
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• 2565[17:00:22] <jelly> !policy-rc.d
• 2566[17:00:22] <dpkg> [policy-rc.d] a mechanism to limit what init scripts are run by maintainer scripts. See replaced-url
• 2567[17:00:37] <jelly> queso: ^^ probably the sanest workaround
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• 2569[17:01:02] <queso> I found `RUNLEVEL=1 apt-get install ...` in some Google results.
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• 2572[17:01:32] <queso> greycat: jelly: Thanks, guys.
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• 2575[17:01:58] <wewlad> so I tried to enable a MPM module 'event' and got 'ERROR: Module event does not exist!'
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• 2577[17:02:03] <jelly> wewlad: install it.
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• 2579[17:02:18] <jelly> wewlad: apt-cache search apache mpm
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• 2583[17:02:47] <jelly> wewlad: which debian release are you on?
• 2584[17:02:57] <wewlad> latest available
• 2585[17:03:02] <wewlad> 8.5 afair
• 2586[17:03:14] <jelly> wewlad: do you have apache2 package installed?
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• 2588[17:03:18] <wewlad> yes
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• 2590[17:03:22] <wewlad> and it worked before
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• 2594[17:03:29] <wewlad> weird that now it doesn't :(
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• 2601[17:05:38] <wewlad> turns out I needed not to enable, but to load the module
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• 2605[17:06:42] <jelly> oh right, in debian 8 you don't even have to install it separately
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• 2607[17:07:26] <pkug> hi, a quick package management question, i have installed a bunch of dependencies for the package i don't need anymore.. i have this list but removing some of the packages from that set will break another ones, is it possible to apt-get remove pkg1 pkg2 pkg3 .. and ignore (don't remove) those pkgX that are dependencies of other packages not listed there?
• 2608[17:07:37] <wewlad> just for the dumbos like me: did I get it right that whenever I need to edit a vhost - I edit the one in /sites-available, not /sites-enabled, right?
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• 2612[17:08:09] <greycat> pkug: just use dpkg --remove instead of apt-get remove
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• 2616[17:08:23] <babilen> wewlad: That's correct - you typically have symlinks from enabled to available
• 2617[17:08:24] <greycat> It'll happily error out on the packages that are needed as dependencies.
• 2618[17:08:36] <wewlad> babilen: thanks
• 2619[17:08:37] <pkug> greycat: amazing, thanks!
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• 2626[17:09:59] <babilen> wewlad: You might want to read /usr/share/doc/apache*/README.Debian.gz
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• 2632[17:11:09] <TBoy> hey guys, I think this is just a config thing, but on boot my debian install boots an x session an tty1 and tty2 and I would like to start only one
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• 2634[17:11:19] <wewlad> babilen: I did
• 2635[17:11:27] <babilen> Ah, great :)
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• 2644[17:14:38] <wewlad> when loading a module one needs to specify path to its file, but /etc/apache2/mods-available/ contains pairs of files: one ends with .conf and the other one with .load. So what path should I specify?
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• 2646[17:15:34] <wewlad> (I have 2 guesses: 1. .load (because we load a module, lol) 2. omit the dot and it's end part, just use 'mpm_event')
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• 2649[17:16:02] <greycat> arc3:/etc/apache2$ grep load *.conf
• 2650[17:16:02] <greycat> apache2.conf:# | |-- *.load
• 2651[17:16:02] <greycat> apache2.conf:IncludeOptional mods-enabled/*.load
• 2652[17:16:26] <dontknow> hey. firefox in debian backport doesn't have -disable-eme
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• 2654[17:16:39] <wewlad> greycat: what was that?
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• 2656[17:16:44] <babilen> wewlad: Are you using a2enmod ?
• 2657[17:16:50] <wewlad> babilen: no
• 2658[17:17:03] <babilen> Why not?
• 2659[17:17:11] <wewlad> babilen: because I need to load a mod, not enable it.
• 2660[17:17:13] <greycat> wewlad: It was a paste of a command and its output from one of my boxes that is running jessie and apache2.
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• 2663[17:17:39] <wewlad> greycat: I got it, I meant 'what did you mean to say by that paste?'.
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• 2665[17:18:05] <greycat> wewlad: It appears to load mods-enabled/*.load so just *having* the symlink there should do it, yes?
• 2666[17:18:35] <hanshenrik_> any guide on creating a pre-configured netboot installer? that don't require any user interaction, and sets up partitions/users & passwords / services (like ssh)/ etc without any user interaction?
• 2667[17:18:42] <babilen> wewlad: So you want to load a disabled module? What's the exact difference? If you use a2enmod it'll create suitable symlinks (again, much like a2ensite) which will cause the server to load those modules
• 2668[17:18:47] <hanshenrik_> to anyone booting from it~
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• 2672[17:18:58] <babilen> wewlad: Hence the "mods-enabled/*.load
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• 2678[17:20:03] <wewlad> oh, seems like I got confused between what I heard by the master of apache on #httpd and how debian rehashed the controls over apache
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• 2680[17:20:12] <babilen> This allows you to disable/enable vhost and modules with a2ensite/a2dissite and a2enmod/a2dismod respectively. Wasn't that dicussed in the README.Debian I mentioned earlier?
• 2681[17:20:16] <wewlad> I probably need just 'a2enmod mpm_event'
• 2682[17:20:26] <babilen> (usage of those commands was why I recommended reading it)
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• 2685[17:20:52] <wewlad> babilen: 'load' and 'enable' are different words.
• 2686[17:21:15] <babilen> wewlad: Well, there isn't really a difference. Everything they tell you still works, it's just that Debian ships some convienience configuration and tools to work with it
• 2687[17:21:16] <wewlad> I tried 'a2ednmod event' and got an error saying there's no such a module.
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• 2689[17:21:36] <wewlad> but it turned out that this is because the module in debian has a different name: mpm_event
• 2690[17:21:56] <babilen> wewlad: They are indeed different words, but loading a disabled module is not very intuitive, is it?
• 2691[17:22:07] <wewlad> so debian not only uses its own scripts, but its own terminology and module names
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• 2693[17:22:15] <babilen> Tab completion should work for those IIRC
• 2694[17:22:34] <wewlad> no
• 2695[17:22:41] <graytron> hanshenrik_: replaced-url
• 2696[17:23:01] <hanshenrik_> yes it does, thanks!
• 2697[17:23:08] <babilen> wewlad: Well, then peak into modules_available :)
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• 2699[17:23:29] <wewlad> babilen: it's not a problem now that I already figured those things out.
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• 2701[17:24:35] <wewlad> if 'systemctl apache2 restart' is preferred - then why does the output of a2(dis|en)mod suggest to use 'service apache2 restart' instead?
• 2702[17:24:42] <babilen> wewlad: Debian ships quite an opinionated apache package (which I grew to love), but people in #httpd don't want to wrap their head around it even though you could, obviously, create the same configuration with vanilla apache also
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• 2704[17:24:59] <greycat> because a2enmod was written by apache, not by debian
• 2705[17:25:05] <babilen> wewlad: Both will do exactly the same thing
• 2706[17:25:15] <greycat> And it was probably written *for* red hatters.
• 2707[17:25:19] <wewlad> babilen: people on #httpd call debian a distro with broken scripts.
• 2708[17:25:24] <babilen> greycat: It was?
• 2709[17:25:29] <greycat> Wasn't it?
• 2710[17:25:43] <jelly> I've only seen in on Debian
• 2711[17:25:44] <zoeurk> hello systemd version 231-7 doesn't reboot or shutdown correctly: sometime I need to shutdown with the power button
• 2712[17:25:50] <greycat> Ah, sorry. My mistake.
• 2713[17:25:58] <babilen> I thought it's a Debianism and one of the reasons why #httpd calls Debian "a distro with broken scripts"
• 2714[17:26:00] <wewlad> greycat: but debian ships a 'quite an opinionated apache package' - couldn't they change that too?
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• 2716[17:26:08] <jelly> perhaps RHEL has adopted it, like they did with alternatives
• 2717[17:26:11] <greycat> See, this is why I just stopped trying to apache. Switching my priavate server over to nginx was the best thing ever.
• 2718[17:26:24] <babilen> +1
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• 2720[17:26:30] <babilen> Absolutely .. nginx every day
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• 2722[17:26:38] <jelly> greycat: at least the config is more readable and saner
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• 2724[17:27:03] <jelly> but configuring apache is already a sunk cost for me
• 2725[17:27:05] <greycat> Granted, if you don't know some perl and regex, nginx could have quite a steep learning curve.
• 2726[17:27:10] <wewlad> apache is popular, all the solutions for it are already available in internets. + my hoster uses apache, can't choose ngingx
• 2727[17:27:26] <jelly> greycat: mod_rewrite would have made me learn regex anyway
• 2728[17:27:27] <babilen> wewlad: You can, naturally, still do everything manually and just because Debian ships four scripts that create symlinks which tie into a corresponding load foo-enabled/*.conf there is no reason to call it broken
• 2729[17:27:28] <wewlad> +afaiu nginx doesn't run well with wordpress
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• 2731[17:27:40] <zoeurk> I hope to help the project debian
• 2732[17:27:42] <zoeurk> bye
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• 2734[17:27:57] <babilen> wewlad: Not sure why they don't like to wrap their head around it .. it's really not that crazy and actually rather nice to use
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• 2737[17:28:51] <wewlad> ask them, they seem to always have a good reason for everything they say (talking about 'thumbs' guy from #httpd in particular)
• 2738[17:29:24] <jmcnaught> apache2 on jessie also has a2enconf and a2disconf
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• 2743[17:30:03] <jelly> wewlad: #httpd sometimes has interesting opinions about debian that do not always apply to current release
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• 2746[17:30:23] <babilen> Just as #ruby :)
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• 2749[17:30:30] <jelly> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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• 2751[17:31:11] <babilen> Well, I like the foo-{available,enabled}, .d and many other Debianisms, but not everybody has to
• 2752[17:31:23] <greycat> #bash is happy that Debian finally stopped compiling out the /dev/tcp/ feature in bash.
• 2753[17:31:39] <babilen> Hooray! Peace treaties all around :)
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• 2757[17:32:12] <jelly> if someone chooses to use bash they should be able to suffer all of it
• 2758[17:32:23] <greycat> (On the other hand, Debian still compiles in /etc/bash.bashrc but almost every Linux distributor does that, with varying filenames, so it's kind of a battle we choose not to fight.)
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• 2762[17:33:47] <wewlad> systemctl apache2 restart > systemctl restart apache2
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• 2767[17:35:34] <babilen> One works, the other doesn't
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• 2769[17:36:23] <greycat> I'm hoping the > sign was meant as something other than "is greater than".
• 2770[17:37:10] <babilen> systemctl wants restart first, so the first command wouldn't work
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• 2772[17:37:40] <greycat> Which is why the second command is the greater one.
• 2773[17:38:04] <babilen> Indeed :)
• 2774[17:38:19] <jelly> wewlad: you can still use the "service" command if you prefer the old syntax
• 2775[17:38:27] <babilen> Maybe wewlad meant to write "service apache2 restart > systemctl restart apache2"
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• 2777[17:38:55] <greycat> Maybe he meant s/systemctl apache2 restart/systemctl restart apache2/
• 2778[17:39:00] <jelly> focus on the service, not the action to be done with it
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• 2782[17:39:20] <jelly> a troll could argue systemctl is so self-centered!
• 2783[17:39:44] <babilen> It allows for better currying/schönfinkelisation ...
• 2784[17:39:49] <babilen> Anyway ..
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• 2786[17:40:06] <greycat> You don't write "git filename add", now do you.
• 2787[17:40:36] <greycat> Verbs should appear before objects in unix commands.
• 2788[17:40:55] <jelly> the service is the SUBJECT :->
• 2789[17:41:04] <croddy> systemctl is the subject.
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• 2795[17:41:43] <croddy> i think subject-object-verb is more popular overall, but subject-verb-object is definitely up there.
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• 2799[17:42:22] <greycat> The service command probably uses the syntax that it does, because it mimics "/etc/init.d/svcname action"
• 2800[17:43:06] <th0r> croddy, oh yes...."the man the ball catches" is definitely more popular
• 2801[17:43:18] <croddy> well, not in english, obviously.
• 2802[17:43:18] <greycat> Gotta catch them all.
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• 2807[17:45:09] <th0r> greycat, haven't you been watching...."Gotta them all catch"!
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• 2831[17:53:44] <jhutchins> wewlad: Interesting, I recently saw a howto that recommended nginx for wordpress because it's a lighter resource footprint than apache.
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• 2835[17:55:18] <greycat> Most likely the instructions you've been reading are all written for apache2, so you would simply need different instructions if you switch web server.
• 2836[17:55:37] <greycat> It's not a trivial thing to switch.
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• 2843[17:57:21] <frankk> I installed debian-base distribution of linux on a gpt partitioned disk. I am trying to install grub on a usb disk using apt-get install --reinstall grub-efi. I am receiving this error message : GUID Partition Table Header signature is wrong. How do I fix this ?
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• 2852[17:59:39] <deego> I think the topic could be upgraded.. 8.6 is out.
• 2853[17:59:41] <jelly> frankk: hmm, maybe run gdisk or parted on that disk and force it to write the partition table again?
• 2854[18:00:00] <jelly> deego: are the .iso images out yet?
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• 2860[18:01:00] <deego> jelly: no clue :)
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• 2862[18:01:22] <JordiGH> Hm, I think I need a newer nodejs on Debian stable. What are my options?
• 2863[18:01:33] <JordiGH> 0.10 is too old
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• 2866[18:01:47] <greycat> ,v nodejs
• 2867[18:01:48] <judd> Package: nodejs on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 0.10.29~dfsg-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 0.10.29~dfsg-2; stretch: 4.3.1~dfsg-3; sid: 4.4.7~dfsg-2+b1; experimental: 6.0.0~dfsg-1
• 2868[18:01:52] <JordiGH> And 6.0.0 is in experimental. Is that because it really is experimental or because we're in a slushy state?
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• 2870[18:02:34] * JordiGH doesn't like how "experimental" sometimes means experimental and sometimes means "ftpmasters won't let us upload to unstable as usual because we're in a freeze and we can't really branch off".
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• 2872[18:02:48] <greycat> Stretch is *not* frozen yet.
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• 2874[18:03:16] <hanshenrik_> what kernel will it use?
• 2875[18:03:31] <greycat> replaced-url
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• 2878[18:03:54] <jelly> hanshenrik_: maybe 4.9
• 2879[18:03:55] <greycat> I'm not sure what a transition freeze is, but that's scheduled for Nov 5.
• 2880[18:03:58] <jelly> maybe cake
• 2881[18:04:10] <hanshenrik_> and maybe nobody knows because it's not decided yet?
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• 2884[18:04:32] <hanshenrik_> i vote for cake, though
• 2885[18:04:55] <greycat> ,i cake
• 2886[18:04:56] <judd> No package named 'cake' was found in jessie/amd64.
• 2887[18:05:03] <hanshenrik_> :(
• 2888[18:05:12] <jelly> hanshenrik_: it has to be a longterm branch, for one thing
• 2889[18:05:41] <hanshenrik_> obviously. funfact, ubuntu once chose a non-longterm kernel for a lts release
• 2890[18:05:51] <hanshenrik_> dont recall which 1
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• 2892[18:05:58] <JordiGH> I can't imagine a ssb would work...
• 2893[18:06:09] <JordiGH> Since it would already be in backports if it did.
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• 2895[18:06:39] <jelly> JordiGH: well things in experinmental are there because the maintainers _know_ they're broken
• 2896[18:06:54] <JordiGH> jelly: Except during slushy phase.
• 2897[18:06:55] <jelly> the nature of breakage varies
• 2898[18:07:13] <hanshenrik_> i thought it was more like "they don't know for sure that it's stable"
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• 2900[18:07:20] <jelly> JordiGH: yeah I consider that silly
• 2901[18:07:20] <JordiGH> Let me try a ssb...
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• 2904[18:07:52] <jelly> but backports won't normally even consider something that's not in testing
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• 2906[18:08:05] <JordiGH> jelly: Why can't they fork off a next-release or freeze branch and keep the meaning of unstable and experimental as usual?
• 2907[18:08:17] <jelly> JordiGH: "sid non sid"
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• 2911[18:08:57] <jelly> JordiGH: so I hear you're volunteering to figure out the workflows and infra changes to make that work!
• 2912[18:09:06] <jelly> "they", heh
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• 2928[18:13:40] <habs> I'm running jessie on mipsel and trying to install python-scipy via apt-get but I get this message: "libstdc++6 : Breaks: python-scipy (<= 0.14.1-1) but 0.14.0-2 is to be installed". Why would those two packages conflict, and how can I resolve it?
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• 2930[18:14:03] <abrotman> habs: have you done an apt-get update lately?
• 2931[18:14:13] <jelly> dpkg, tell habs about basic apt troubleshooting
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• 2934[18:14:31] <JordiGH> Hm, if I want to backport, can I just add deb-src lines to my sources.list? I don't need the deb lines, right?
• 2935[18:14:46] <habs> abrotman: Yes, I do it almost every day (including today). I also apt-get upgraded.
• 2936[18:14:50] <jelly> JordiGH: correct
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• 2938[18:15:14] <greycat> JordiGH: see also /msg dpkg simple sid backport
• 2939[18:15:17] <habs> jelly: Thanks, I'll do that
• 2940[18:15:46] <hiya> if I try to install a package using dpkg -i
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• 2943[18:15:56] <hiya> and if it says a lot of packages are missing and need to be installed
• 2944[18:16:07] <greycat> Often "apt-get -f install" will work.
• 2945[18:16:07] <hiya> which command do I use with aptitude to install them?
• 2946[18:16:08] <debkad> is replaced-url
• 2947[18:16:08] * jelly expected someone talking about a ssb to know about that factoid
• 2948[18:16:21] <JordiGH> greycat: Yeah, I know about ssb.
• 2949[18:16:35] <JordiGH> I just wanted to double-check.
• 2950[18:16:50] <greycat> The factoid answers your question, so I assumed you hadn't read it.
• 2951[18:16:57] <jelly> JordiGH: sometimes you need to add a deb line... for release-backports
• 2952[18:17:06] <debkad> allo
• 2953[18:17:23] <jelly> because sometimes you need a build-dep from there
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• 2955[18:17:35] <debkad> firefox-esr : An error occurred during a connection to replaced-url
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• 2959[18:18:12] <jelly> debkad: OCSP is sometimes unreliable, with different sites
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• 2961[18:18:20] <JordiGH> greycat: Just not recently.
• 2962[18:19:01] <debkad> jelly, firefox don't let me access that site, when i used chrome before i was able to access it
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• 2967[18:19:45] <jelly> debkad: you can use the non-https URL in the meantime?
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• 2969[18:19:51] <jelly> debkad: replaced-url
• 2970[18:20:11] <debkad> ah i can access that one
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• 2973[18:21:05] <debkad> so i must change all https to http to be able to access them?
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• 2975[18:21:27] <jelly> wfm from here with firefox 45.3 and 45.4 (albeit mozilla's build), so I assume it's OCSP that's problematic
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• 2977[18:22:06] <habs> jelly: abrotman: Here are the logs: Output of "sudo apt-get install python-scipy": replaced-url
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• 2979[18:22:42] <jelly> debkad: OCSP is meant to enable additional verification of SSL certificates for replaced-url
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• 2981[18:23:37] <debkad> jelly, ok thanks
• 2982[18:23:51] <jelly> habs: you have a newer libstdc++6: Installed: 5.3.1-4 than what's available in ANY repo for jessie
• 2983[18:24:00] <jelly> !frankendebian
• 2984[18:24:01] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help.
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• 2986[18:24:17] <jelly> okay, that's maybe too much
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• 2988[18:24:51] * jelly doesn't remember the right factoid for "don't mix stable with testing or unstable"
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• 2990[18:25:11] <jhutchins> !frankendebian
• 2991[18:25:11] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help.
• 2992[18:25:23] <jelly> yes, I just did that.
• 2993[18:25:27] <teraflops> heh
• 2994[18:25:27] <jhutchins> jelly: That one?
• 2995[18:25:32] <jelly> no, not that one.
• 2996[18:25:36] <debkad> o_o
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• 2998[18:26:52] <JordiGH> How should I tag my ssb? I like to give to put something like "jordigh" in the version number to remind myself which packages I ssb'ed myself.
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• 3000[18:27:25] <JordiGH> But +jordigh at the end of the version isn't right. Should it be ~jordigh? I want my package to get automatically replaced by a newer version should it become available.
• 3001[18:27:31] <jelly> habs: do a "sudo aptitude -s install libstdc++6=4.9.2-10", and you'll figure out what you installed to get that newer stdc++ when aptitude tries to remove it
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• 3003[18:27:54] <jelly> JordiGH: I append ~jelly.1 on mine
• 3004[18:27:59] <JordiGH> Thanks.
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• 3009[18:28:58] <habs> jelly: Ah, OK. The full story behind this machine is I'm using a debian sid installation from several years ago that I tried to convert to jessie repositories yesterday, because back when it was last updated, sid was jessie. But I guess it leaves a lot of holes
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• 3013[18:29:39] <jelly> habs: you managed to install stuff from a recent sid, at some point in time after jessie got releaseed
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• 3016[18:29:56] <eagle> hi
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• 3018[18:30:07] <Guest49378> hloo
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• 3025[18:33:05] <Guest49378> my nicknamme eagle
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• 3027[18:33:20] <Guest49378> how are you
• 3028[18:33:23] <Guest49378> ?
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• 3030[18:33:49] <Guest49378> ?
• 3031[18:33:58] <jelly> habs: you might want to try /msg dpkg partial downgrade
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• 3034[18:34:07] <JordiGH> jelly: Why does Emacs highlight the ~jordigh.1 version differently?
• 3035[18:34:10] <JordiGH> In the changelog.
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• 3039[18:34:39] <Guest49378> ?
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• 3041[18:34:40] <Guest49378> ?
• 3042[18:34:42] <Guest49378> ?
• 3043[18:35:00] <^v> mehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
• 3044[18:35:03] <JordiGH> Guest49378: Do something only a human would do.
• 3045[18:35:03] <^v> replaced-url
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• 3047[18:35:12] <jelly> Guest49378: hi, this is a tech support channel. Maybe join ##chat or #debian-offtopic if you want to chat
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• 3050[18:35:39] <JordiGH> jelly: It applied "debian-changelog-warning-face" to it.
• 3051[18:35:49] <JordiGH> Is ~jordigh.1 malformed?
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• 3053[18:36:01] <jelly> JordiGH: I'm emacs-agnostic, sorry
• 3054[18:36:27] <JordiGH> Yeah, but the version number might be wrong. What does Ubuntu? ~ubuntu-1, right?
• 3055[18:36:28] <jelly> it's exactly as malformed as jessie-backports stuff with ~bpo8+1 is
• 3056[18:36:35] <JordiGH> not ~ubuntu.1
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• 3058[18:36:48] <^v> MATE is completely broken due to the GTK 3.0 update, where can i complain
• 3059[18:37:12] <jelly> ^v: are you using testing?
• 3060[18:37:16] <Guest49378> i want help for you gusyyyy
• 3061[18:37:16] <JordiGH> Well, a "+" has a different meaning than ".", so it's not the same kind of broken.
• 3062[18:37:17] <^v> sid, yes
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• 3064[18:37:58] <jelly> ^v: breakage is expected in sid, and judging by the rants on planet.debian.org bugs have probably been filed
• 3065[18:38:09] <zykotick9> ^v: i think testing/sid "is broken" complaints go to /dev/null
• 3066[18:38:12] <jelly> ^v: so check the BTS and file bugs if there aren't
• 3067[18:38:13] <debkad> esting/unstable: #debian-next (irc.oftc.net)
• 3068[18:38:28] <debkad> s/esting/testing
• 3069[18:38:34] <wewlad> how am I supposed to add new sites to apache conf? manually, right?
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• 3071[18:39:01] <jelly> ^v: Thank you for testing that stuff so users of upcoming release don't have to deal with it.
• 3072[18:39:36] <stew> wewlad: drop a file in /etc/apache2/sites-available/ and then enable it with a2ensite sitename
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• 3077[18:40:07] <^v> jelly, eh, im doing it because its less of a hastle than jessie + sid repos to get the updated stuff i need
• 3078[18:40:31] <wewlad> stew: does it matter how I name it? default one is named 000-default.conf
• 3079[18:41:07] <^v> ill attempt to downgrade via aptitude
• 3080[18:41:09] <greycat> In apache 2.4 the files MUST end with .conf
• 3081[18:41:20] <wewlad> yeah, but what about 000- part?
• 3082[18:41:27] <jelly> ^v: breakage is _normal_ for sid regardless of the misguided reason you chose to pick it.
• 3083[18:41:39] <wewlad> it kind of pushes to name the new sites as 001-site.conf etc
• 3084[18:41:56] <jelly> wewlad: no, 000 is there just to ensure which site is first in line
• 3085[18:42:07] <wewlad> oh
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• 3087[18:42:31] <^v> (i assume) this is the update that killed my family and made me watch, literally hitler himself, he also broke my coffee mug, that was my favorite :( : libgtk-3-0:amd64 (3.20.9-1, 3.21.5-3)
• 3088[18:42:41] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o jelly
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• 3090[18:42:43] <wewlad> doesn't underscore symbol have lower index than a 0?
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• 3093[18:43:01] <jelly> ^v: I'm invoking Godwin's law on your ass
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• 3095[18:43:48] <jelly> ^v: use moderate language and ask in the right place, that is
• 3096[18:43:53] <jelly> !debian-next
• 3097[18:43:53] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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• 3106[18:49:56] <Guest49378> hi
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• 3139[19:02:07] <jelly> dontknow: you're not quieted. Now what?
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• 3142[19:02:29] <dontknow> in #debian-offtopic?
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• 3144[19:03:01] <dontknow> whatever topic changed anyway
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• 3160[19:06:42] <Arone> <xxx555>                      
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• 3162[19:06:42] <Arone> <xxx555>                
• 3163[19:06:42] <Arone> <xxx555>                  
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• 3189[19:11:00] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: unborn complains about: Arone spam
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• 3199[19:13:36] <debkad> i begin to hate firefox
• 3200[19:13:45] <babilen> How come?
• 3201[19:13:55] <babilen> (and what can we do to help?)
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• 3203[19:14:05] <debkad> i can't access many site web using https thingy
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• 3205[19:14:40] <spaceone> how can i install a package and don't automatically install all the dependencies of it?
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• 3207[19:14:56] <spaceone> (only for a testing purpose, not to be meant for production use)
• 3208[19:14:56] <greycat> spaceone: download the .deb and install it with dpkg -i --force-depends
• 3209[19:15:05] <spaceone> ok
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• 3211[19:15:26] <greycat> debkad: such as?
• 3212[19:15:38] <babilen> spaceone: You can't, that's why they are dependencies. One way would be to manually install it with dpkg ... but that would then leave the packaging system in an inconsistent state
• 3213[19:15:56] <babilen> eh, late
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• 3215[19:16:20] <debkad> greycat, some emails, want to create any one to be able to make another gmail account without a need for phone number ( hotmail ...etc )
• 3216[19:16:31] <greycat> I see zero clickable https URLs.
• 3217[19:16:34] <spaceone> babilen: yes, that is what i want. an inconsisten state!
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• 3219[19:16:49] <babilen> spaceone: Out of curiosity: Why?
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• 3221[19:18:05] <spaceone> babilen: to reproduce bugs in customer environments
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• 3223[19:18:32] <spaceone> where are the packages stored with 'apt-get download'? i can't find them in var/cache/apt/archives/
• 3224[19:18:48] <greycat> it's "apt-get install --download-only"
• 3225[19:19:03] <spaceone> ah, it was stored in .
• 3226[19:19:15] <debkad> greycat, replaced-url
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• 3228[19:19:41] <spaceone> hm, --force-depends doesn't let me install the package
• 3229[19:19:47] <greycat> Huh. Didn't know about "apt-get download", and it turns out it's even present in wheezy.
• 3230[19:19:59] <greycat> spaceone: read the error, see what else you need to force
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• 3232[19:20:19] <greycat> debkad: It opens for me. I get a "Sign in" page.
• 3233[19:20:40] <debkad> greycat, mine is firefox-esr
• 3234[19:20:44] <greycat> Jessie, firefox-esr 45.3.0esr-1~deb8u1
• 3235[19:20:57] <debkad> don't know if that an firefox or something else
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• 3237[19:21:07] <greycat> (I was redirected to replaced-url
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• 3243[19:22:04] <debkad> mine 45.3.0esr-1
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• 3245[19:22:18] <greycat> Probably truncated by dpkg -l because you didn't remember to pipe it to cat.
• 3246[19:22:43] <debkad> if i remove 's' from htmls it redirect me but after that i can't access that link
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• 3248[19:22:55] <greycat> Someone who knows more about firefox and SSL will probably have to help here. I don't know much.
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• 3252[19:23:11] <debkad> ii firefox-esr 45.3.0esr-1
• 3253[19:23:26] <debkad> ok thanks
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• 3255[19:23:38] <debkad> , i will try chrome or chromium anyway
• 3256[19:23:39] <judd> No package named 'will' was found in jessie/amd64.
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• 3260[19:24:01] <debkad> is a bot
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• 3262[19:24:12] <greycat> Leading comma is judd's trigger.
• 3263[19:24:22] <debkad> i see
• 3264[19:24:27] <spaceone> okay got it, with --ignore-depends=... multiple times and --force-depends
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• 3318[19:46:13] <talis> who is playing with my time? Trying to use ntpd but the time keeps drifting away and journalctl reports "systemd: Time has been changed". Any ideas who the culprit may be?
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• 3320[19:46:55] <jelly> talis: physical or virtual system?
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• 3323[19:47:15] <jelly> talis: which debian release?
• 3324[19:47:26] <talis> jelly: bare metal laptop. Jessie.
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• 3326[19:47:48] <beastwick> talis: are you dual booting?
• 3327[19:47:48] <petn-randall> talis: Do you have ntpdate installed?
• 3328[19:47:58] <petn-randall> good point, beastwick.
• 3329[19:48:24] <talis> petn-randall: ntpdate is installed.
• 3330[19:48:43] <talis> beastwick: single booting.
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• 3336[19:51:07] <Arone> a
• 3337[19:51:18] <talis> petn-randall: could you elaborate on why ntpdate might be relevant?
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• 3342[19:52:38] <jelly> talis: dpkg -L ntpdate to see it has hooks to run on, for example, every time a network interface is configured
• 3343[19:53:12] <d3lphi> hi all. When I "touch /forcefsck" will that check ALL my harddisks that I mounted through /etc/fstab ? I want to manually enforce a filesystem check and repair. I had defective sectors on minimum one disk.
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• 3345[19:54:15] <greycat> d3lphi: only in wheezy and only the root file system, I think
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• 3348[19:55:14] <d3lphi> greycat: I supposed so. because I already tried and the reboot finished abnormal too fast :) the data disk is about 1tb
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• 3350[19:55:39] <d3lphi> I suppose it didnt check my data disk...hmmm
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• 3352[19:55:51] <greycat> For the non-root file systems, you can boot in single user mode and check them by hand.
• 3353[19:56:37] <d3lphi> greycat: need to find out what the appropriate boot command for a Citrix Xenserver VM is first...
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• 3360[19:57:20] <greycat> And if it's jessie, then /forcefsck doesn't do anything anyway.
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• 3362[19:58:06] <d3lphi> greycat: oh ok, didn't know. forcefsck is not used anymore in >=Jessie ?
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• 3384[20:04:26] <talis> jelly: quite correct, ntpdate runs on interface change. I've purged it and restarted ntpd. I'll let it settle for a bit and report back.
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• 3387[20:04:55] <petn-randall> talis: I was guessing ntpdate might skip the clock a little back or forth when it comes up.
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• 3389[20:05:31] <jelly> and confuse any running ntpd
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• 3391[20:05:40] <jelly> (even if it's written by same people)
• 3392[20:05:55] <petn-randall> yep :)
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• 3394[20:07:20] <jelly> talis: if it's a laptop and it's not on 24/7 it might be worth exploring other ntp services that are better suited for intermittent connectivity, like chrony
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• 3396[20:07:54] <talis> oh, ntpdate is thoroughly derided by the ntp folks. It just happened to have a useful feature - reporting how far my clock had drifted from a known good source. (It's hard to do this in sub-two second range using a wallclock.) You'll note I installed ntpdate after I detected the problem, so I'm not convinced it was the culprit....
• 3397[20:08:01] <jelly> next week or so, because ntpd takes its days to become stable :-)
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• 3400[20:08:11] <debkad> ntp running here, i was surprising that my date+time was totally false ( 1 day in advance and 00:00 )
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• 3402[20:08:45] <jelly> debkad: if it's still wrong, paste the output of "date --utc"
• 3403[20:09:00] <greycat> Traditionally we needed ntpdate to shove the clock to approximately the right time at boot, and then ntpd to keep it there.
• 3404[20:09:12] <greycat> ntpdate was never intended to be run more than once per boot
• 3405[20:09:23] <debkad> jelly, i fixed it by: date -s "month" and then date -s "hh:mm"
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• 3407[20:10:07] <debkad> i prefer local time my self but i seem can't right now
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• 3409[20:10:42] <petn-randall> debkad: Does it blink '00:00' like a freshly plugged in microwave?
• 3410[20:10:44] <greycat> /usr/share/doc/ntpdate/README.Debian is also interesting.
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• 3412[20:11:02] <debkad> petn-randall, didn't see it but may be
• 3413[20:11:51] <Guest49378> 10.
• 3414[20:12:00] <debkad> there is no such file
• 3415[20:12:15] <greycat> well, there is for me because I have that package installed
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• 3419[20:12:43] <debkad> i have this one /usr/share/doc/ntp/README.Debian.gz
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• 3423[20:13:08] <sl4v3> galeido: strange... they didn't need to be indented when they were part of a role task...
• 3424[20:13:24] <sl4v3> ah. wtf. wrong channel. wrong nick. everything. just wrong.
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• 3428[20:14:41] <debkad> if it will happen to be a wrong time/date again i will purge ntp as i did in my other linux
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• 3432[20:16:08] <jelly> debkad: sometimes the clock is correct but date shows local time for a different timezone than you're expecting
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• 3438[20:16:33] <jelly> this can be detected with --utc
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• 3440[20:17:04] <debkad> jelly, as i check the clock from my desktop ( conky for example ) it must be local in my case
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• 3444[20:17:37] <jelly> you may have timzone set wrong globally
• 3445[20:17:44] <debkad> sure
• 3446[20:18:03] <debkad> if i do a wrong timezone it give me a right clock
• 3447[20:18:11] <jelly> yes
• 3448[20:18:17] <debkad> if the close one it give me mines one hour
• 3449[20:18:27] <jelly> happens every couples months in here
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• 3451[20:19:04] <debkad> but when i use local before, i never have problem with clock
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• 3453[20:19:23] <greycat> I'm still not seeing anything telling me it's OK to remove ntpdate.
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• 3457[20:19:53] <debkad> yes that your case
• 3458[20:19:55] <greycat> If my clock is off by an hour when I boot, will ntp by itself be able to slam the clock at boot, once, and then start the daemon to keep it in sync?
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• 3463[20:21:03] <greycat> Ah, here it is in ntp/NEWS.Debian.gz
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• 3465[20:21:24] <greycat> "Installing ntp and ntpdate together is obsolete. ntp is now configured by default in such a manner that it handles the initial clock adjustment by itself." -- Peter Eisentraut <petere@debian.org> Mon, 11 Sep 2006 21:23:08 +0200
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• 3468[20:22:05] <jelly> oh does it -g by default now
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• 3472[20:22:16] <greycat> $ cat /etc/default/ntp
• 3473[20:22:16] <greycat> NTPD_OPTS='-g'
• 3474[20:22:41] <debkad> not good
• 3475[20:22:59] <jelly> the quotes, they no nothing!
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• 3477[20:23:02] <jelly> do*
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• 3481[20:23:42] <Walakea_> what is the most universal way to get a script's location?
• 3482[20:24:02] <debkad> find/locate
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• 3484[20:24:31] <greycat> Walakea_: replaced-url
• 3485[20:24:41] <Walakea_> for example if that script is supposed to change files in the previous directory
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• 3487[20:25:20] <Walakea_> relative from the location of the script
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• 3489[20:25:29] <greycat> I understood the question.
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• 3493[20:26:21] <Walakea_> greycat looks like that is what i need, thank you
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• 3500[20:27:39] <jelly> I hope your faq yells at the user not to write scripts like that in enough places
• 3501[20:28:01] <greycat> I do try.
• 3502[20:28:06] <debkad> accept it or don't
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• 3536[20:43:41] <wewlad> is there a way to use 'find' look for files owned by 'user'?
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• 3539[20:43:52] <greycat> Absolutely.
• 3540[20:44:05] <greycat> "man find", search for -user
• 3541[20:44:08] <wewlad> via -perm?
• 3542[20:44:22] <greycat> no, that checks permissions
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• 3544[20:44:24] <wewlad> oh
• 3545[20:44:33] <wewlad> I was searching for 'owner'
• 3546[20:44:39] <wewlad> thx, '-user uname'
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• 3562[20:52:21] <wewlad> I guess there's no way to retrieve a saved password from a file of user config, right? I just see a long hash of password…
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• 3572[20:55:40] <greycat> If you mean the user's actual password that they use to login, no. That isn't stored anywhere, nor is there any information stored that you can use to derive it, except by a brute force attack.
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• 3586[21:01:21] <CutMeOwnThroat> password for what
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• 3589[21:02:15] <JordiGH> wewlad: If you have a weak hash and rainbow tables, it's not that hard to brute-force passwords.
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• 3594[21:04:07] <CutMeOwnThroat> crack != retrieve
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• 3596[21:04:37] <JordiGH> Semantics.
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• 3598[21:05:02] <zinx> JordiGH: somehow i doubt that crypt()'d (using sha256) passwords are crackable in a reasonable amount of time/space with rainbow tables. brute force, maybe. rainbow tables not so much.
• 3599[21:06:21] <JordiGH> It's not unheard of to run into md5'ed passwords these days.
• 3600[21:06:36] <JordiGH> Still happens, rarely. Especially in "enterprise".
• 3601[21:06:53] <greycat> You and your newfangled MD5.
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• 3603[21:07:01] <zinx> JordiGH: they're still properly salted
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• 3605[21:07:19] <zinx> JordiGH: at least, in the context of Debian
• 3606[21:07:20] <CutMeOwnThroat> greycat, +1
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• 3608[21:07:35] <zinx> i remember when passwords were 8 characters max, and 3DES'd
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• 3610[21:07:45] <greycat> zinx: ours *still are*
• 3611[21:07:51] <zinx> greycat: i am so sorry
• 3612[21:07:57] <JordiGH> 3DES? That could be used as a hash?
• 3613[21:07:58] <wewlad> greycat: guys from my hosting's support did some stuff with my sql db and probably with files too. I've just located /home/myuzername/mail/mysite.com/supportlogin where supportlogin is the name of the guy from the support
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• 3615[21:08:20] <greycat> JordiGH: man 3 crypt even on Debian mentions DES
• 3616[21:08:21] <JordiGH> Dreamhost, eh?
• 3617[21:08:25] <wewlad> hawkhost
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• 3620[21:09:10] <zinx> JordiGH: yes. a lot of crypto algorithms can be used as a hash (technically, all should be able to be used as a hash, or the crypto algo isn't good)
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• 3622[21:09:43] <JordiGH> But you'll probably get a comparable length...
• 3623[21:09:52] <JordiGH> Ah, hence the 8 character max restriction?
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• 3628[21:10:32] <wewlad> * /home/myuzername/mail/mysite.com/@pwcache/supportlogin
• 3629[21:11:48] <zinx> JordiGH: i think the reasoning on that was the hashing algorithm didn't really produce unique hashes beyond that point, though i think someone should have realized it was insufficient at that point :P
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• 3631[21:12:42] <CutMeOwnThroat> wewlad, so?
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• 3634[21:13:07] <greycat> I have no idea which program uses a file of the form ~/mail/mysite.com/@pwcache/supportlogin
• 3635[21:13:23] <wewlad> well, nvm then
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• 3638[21:13:48] <CutMeOwnThroat> maybe "file" knows?
• 3639[21:14:00] <JordiGH> Hm, I think I need a newer npm than what's packaged.
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• 3643[21:14:17] <wewlad> CutMeOwnThroat: as a command name?
• 3644[21:14:26] <greycat> yes, file(1)
• 3645[21:14:38] <wewlad> ASCII text
• 3646[21:14:57] <CutMeOwnThroat> yes
• 3647[21:15:27] <CutMeOwnThroat> what might that be
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• 3652[21:16:32] <greycat> Step 2 would be to read the ASCII text.
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• 3655[21:16:47] <CutMeOwnThroat> if only there were programs to display text files
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• 3657[21:18:15] <wewlad> I don't get your sarcasm, I've opened that file, there's passwd: … quota:… homedir:… lastchanged: num
• 3658[21:18:17] <wewlad> and that's it
• 3659[21:18:31] <greycat> So, what's your question?
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• 3663[21:19:09] <wewlad> I don't have one, I thought CutMeOwnThroat was giving me some hint that file command might help find out what those files are
• 3664[21:19:17] <wewlad> it didn't.
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• 3666[21:19:51] <CutMeOwnThroat> well, so thought I… but then you said they're text files which I felt would have been the obvious thing you would have checked first?
• 3667[21:20:15] <cruncher> wewlad, are you using cpanel or is it on your machine?
• 3668[21:20:36] <greycat> In many cases, file's output is much more targeted. Depends on what you're aiming it at.
• 3669[21:20:42] <wewlad> cruncher: I'm browsing fs via ssh.
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• 3672[21:21:58] <cruncher> wewlad, i dont know what that has to do with the topic, but most probably that file is associated with cpanel
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• 3674[21:22:18] <cruncher> where is the file located that you asked about? on a remote server?
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• 3676[21:22:21] <wewlad> cruncher: well, yeah, the hosting also provides access to cPanel
• 3677[21:22:33] <wewlad> cruncher: of course on the remote server.
• 3678[21:22:47] <greycat> Typing mail pwcache supportlogin into google, the first result does say cPanel.
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• 3680[21:23:24] <wewlad> no
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• 3682[21:24:09] <CutMeOwnThroat> why would he lie about google hits
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• 3684[21:24:21] <cruncher> maybe for you its "of course"... anyway, now you have an idea what program it might be.
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• 3689[21:29:01] <CutMeOwnThroat> yeah, sorry. but I don't get what your actual problem is… or what you think might go towards a solution, so I'm left with making weakly funny comments
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• 3702[21:36:11] <cruncher> CutMeOwnThroat, i hope you didnt think my last comment was because of you :)
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• 3705[21:37:22] <CutMeOwnThroat> heh
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• 3714[21:42:58] <Orbstheorem> Hello, I just set up my radicale with certificates from let's encryt. However, when I use ssl to verify ssl, I get the message
• 3715[21:43:02] <Orbstheorem> Timeout : 300 (sec)
• 3716[21:43:06] <Orbstheorem> Verify return code: 21 (unable to verify the first certificate)
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• 3718[21:43:10] <Orbstheorem> I'm very confused actually
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• 3720[21:43:23] <Orbstheorem> Sorry for asking here, but no luck on #openssl
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• 3724[21:44:02] <babilen> radicale?
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• 3728[21:44:38] <Orbstheorem> yes, is a caldav server
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• 3743[21:48:35] <CutMeOwnThroat> what (program) do you use to verify it
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• 3747[21:48:50] <Orbstheorem> CutMeOwnThroat: openssl s_client -connect
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• 3753[21:51:03] <Orbstheorem> I got it
• 3754[21:51:19] <CutMeOwnThroat> what was it
• 3755[21:52:00] <Orbstheorem> I just concatenated the intermediate certificated bellow my certificate
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• 3757[21:52:12] <Orbstheorem> now I get Verify return code: 0 (ok)
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• 3759[21:52:27] <CutMeOwnThroat> \o/
• 3760[21:52:49] <CutMeOwnThroat> they give you one file with the full certificate chain
• 3761[21:54:03] <Orbstheorem> I just realized that >.<
• 3762[21:54:07] <Orbstheorem> my bad
• 3763[21:54:14] <CutMeOwnThroat> I think you just made something similar yourself
• 3764[21:54:20] <Orbstheorem> the bundle file
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• 3766[21:54:44] <Orbstheorem> the point is that I checked the bundle modulo with my private key and the didn't match
• 3767[21:54:57] <Orbstheorem> so I though it wasn't mine...
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• 3828[22:29:21] <dean-browne22> anyone know if debian are planning to patch the terminal transparency in gnome-terminal for stretch?
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• 3860[22:46:04] <jhutchins> dean-browne22: Patch it how? For what?
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• 3862[22:47:29] <CutMeOwnThroat> for transparency
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• 3867[22:48:21] <CutMeOwnThroat> I think it was a feature on the terminals that has been removed or never present or whatnot
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• 3871[22:49:05] <abrotman> Hi, when can we expect irssi 0.8.20 in wheezy?
• 3872[22:49:10] <greycat> Ugh.
• 3873[22:49:15] <abrotman> heh
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• 3876[22:49:30] <CutMeOwnThroat> last week
• 3877[22:50:56] <dean-browne22> jhutchins: Yeah it was removed while they update some of the older code. Gnome removed it. But ubuntu and fedora patched it back in. Hoping debian do too
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• 3879[22:51:47] <yanome> replaced-url
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• 3885[22:55:49] <medmed> who is maintaining calcurse?
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• 3889[22:56:38] <CutMeOwnThroat> medmed, apt-cache show calcurse| grep Maint
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• 3892[22:57:39] <medmed> thx, can't believe u bothered to answer ^^
• 3893[22:57:59] <ddybing> Hi! Bit of a newbie question for you guys... I'm running a service, Deluge Daemon, on my Debian box which I need to start at bootup. But it has to be started by my user called "homeshare". Any input on how to automate this process, so it will start automatically on startup, without me having to login, as this is a headless box.
• 3894[22:58:03] <medmed> CutMeOwnThroat, meaning: nice of u
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• 3900[23:01:17] <medmed> mm.. if i want to lobby for pushing 4.x in unstable.. whats the best way to do it?
• 3901[23:02:15] <medmed> in ref. to my last msg. reg. calcurse (which is 3.1.4-2 in testing).
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• 3907[23:04:41] <th0r> ddybing, I run Deluge on a headless raspberry pi so I know it can be done. There is plenty of information on the web for setting it up.
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• 3910[23:05:20] <greycat> medmed: the official way would be to file a wishlist bug report.
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• 3912[23:05:38] <medmed> ddybing, su homeshare ./delugecmdhere
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• 3915[23:06:09] <ddybing> th0r: Thanks. Yes, I know it can be done, but there's a lot of different info on the web, and I'm not sure which to choose. It seems like I have to write a 50-line script just to make it work... I just want it to run the command "deluged" as my user "homeshare".
• 3916[23:06:40] <medmed> ddybing, su homeshare deluge
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• 3918[23:07:20] <greycat> su homeshare -c 'deluge'
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• 3920[23:07:58] <greycat> (The single quotes are not necessary around a command that's one word, but they are idiomatic and will help if you want to add arguments later.)
• 3921[23:08:02] <ddybing> greycat: Thanks, that worked brilliantly. Now I just need a way to start it at boot. :-)
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• 3937[23:12:14] <medmed> ddybing, was it a question?
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• 3939[23:13:59] <greycat> I don't know what his command does, so it's a bit hard to describe how to set it up.
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• 3941[23:14:12] <greycat> e.g. does it need an X display?
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• 3946[23:16:07] <CutMeOwnThroat> it's probably hard to get a new version into unstable if the maintainer doesn't react
• 3947[23:16:09] <medmed> greycat, its a bittorrent client. dunno if gui is required but gui its def. optionall.
• 3948[23:16:16] <rattking> no. deluge is a bittorrent daemon
• 3949[23:16:45] <medmed> rly - got all the wrong answers today sigh
• 3950[23:16:52] <greycat> Does it have any kind of direct interface at all? Would there be a benefit to running it in screen/tmux to be attachable?
• 3951[23:17:27] <medmed> i never used it without a gui
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• 3956[23:17:56] <greycat> But is the GUI a separate program that connects to the daemon, or do you need an X display available *when the daemon is launched*?
• 3957[23:18:14] <th0r> greycat, ok....you got me. I have been searching for a homeshare command, or a homeshare option for su, and found absolutely nothing. It isn't a command in raspbian either so no help there. in 25 words or less, please?
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• 3959[23:18:19] <medmed> greycat, yes looks like it from the website. has both GTK,web and cli interface.
• 3960[23:18:24] <rattking> replaced-url
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• 3962[23:18:30] <greycat> th0r: homeshare was the username
• 3963[23:18:49] <th0r> greycat, never overlook the obvious <smile>
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• 3965[23:19:16] <medmed> CutMeOwnThroat, sad :/
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• 3967[23:19:58] <greycat> OK, irssi 0.8.20 hasn't burst into flames yet, so it's probably OK.
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• 3971[23:20:45] <medmed> greycat, ??
• 3972[23:20:47] <CutMeOwnThroat> medmed, there are non-maintainer uploads… but not sure how one'd push for one…
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• 3979[23:23:26] <medmed> CutMeOwnThroat, yeah well - must stick with gui clients for now. cli calendar w. caldav sounds amazing though.
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• 3987[23:24:57] <medmed> i don't remember who recommended me mutt. but ive spend an hour on it so far and loving it.
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• 3992[23:25:45] <CutMeOwnThroat> really? I couldn't get used to it
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• 3994[23:26:14] <CutMeOwnThroat> but then I'd used (al)pine for years before… it looks similar but then everything is somehow different
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• 4001[23:27:32] <rattking> yesterday I found gcalcli for accessing google calendars from the cli.. I am running in in a tmux pane next to mutt.. its very slick
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• 4008[23:29:22] <Bliepo> Hey everyone, quick question. I have owncloud running on my server, but I noticed it's an old version. I wanted to upgrade... but I don't know how I installed owncloud in the first place. Anyway I could find out?
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• 4014[23:30:49] <medmed> CutMeOwnThroat, still use (al)pine?
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• 4019[23:31:17] <medmed> rattking, yeh but i don't use google cal. :/
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• 4024[23:33:20] <Bliepo> Ah nevermind, I figured it out. Apperently there WAS a debian package for ownloud but support was dropped (replaced-url
• 4025[23:33:48] <CutMeOwnThroat> medmed, no. I ran the mailserver for the group and could run it directly on the mailserver… but that's long past
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• 4028[23:35:42] <medmed> CutMeOwnThroat, using gui apps now?
• 4029[23:35:55] <CutMeOwnThroat> yeah, evolution
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• 4036[23:37:11] <medmed> CutMeOwnThroat, im looking for some lightweight apps for a low power machine im running 24/7. read that evolution is a ressource hug so using thundebird/icedove now. Still slow though.
• 4037[23:37:49] <CutMeOwnThroat> dunno about that… and I haven't tried thunderbird; maybe I should have
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• 4040[23:38:12] <medmed> CutMeOwnThroat, if you have a decent machine there is no need.
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• 4042[23:38:28] <medmed> im guessing now bc. i never ran evolution on a slow machine.
• 4043[23:38:29] <CutMeOwnThroat> dunno… I find the gui astonishingly crappy
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• 4046[23:38:43] <medmed> evolution gui crappy?
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• 4055[23:39:57] <CutMeOwnThroat> after all email only exists for 40 years or so, why should there be a good and well thought-out gui
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• 4058[23:40:45] <medmed> CutMeOwnThroat, tell me about it :/
• 4059[23:41:01] <CutMeOwnThroat> medmed, really simple stuff, like the sort bars above the emails. you click on new emails with the mouse to select them. you click a bit too high and *bang* all your emails are sorted by subject
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• 4062[23:41:44] <CutMeOwnThroat> sorting by subject is a feature that maybe one in a hundred people need a couple of times a year… obviously that's something so important that it should happen with a single click
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• 4066[23:42:26] <medmed> CutMeOwnThroat, same experience. Tried most of the clients - they all suck in some ways.
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• 4068[23:42:46] <CutMeOwnThroat> a lot of guis do
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• 4072[23:43:27] <medmed> CutMeOwnThroat, boggles my mind. How hard can it be to design something that does the basics well.
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• 4074[23:43:44] <CutMeOwnThroat> inkscape is somewhat an exception, it has many small things that make a big difference in usability
• 4075[23:44:13] <CutMeOwnThroat> maybe opinions on what has to be done well just differ too much
• 4076[23:44:16] <medmed> can't use it for email though ^^
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• 4079[23:44:47] <Anonymes> Hi
• 4080[23:45:29] <CutMeOwnThroat> yeah, but also browsers that automatically select the url-bar when you click on it… which works so well with unix-type cp&paste (it's perfect for the windows-style cp&p, but I'm not under windows)
• 4081[23:45:31] <medmed> One could argue that its the lack of pro approach to dev (like focus groups etc.) but so many pro products do the same.
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• 4083[23:45:55] <CutMeOwnThroat> yeah
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• 4085[23:46:16] <CutMeOwnThroat> I guess the basic lesson is "it's really hard to design a good gui"
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• 4091[23:47:34] <medmed> Guess so. Still... there are lots of low hanging fruits in the open source clients.
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• 4098[23:50:13] <CutMeOwnThroat> but the people developing the stuff just don't see where/that their gui design isn't good
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• 4104[23:51:52] <medmed> CutMeOwnThroat, hope thats not the case :/ hope its more of a "we didnt program this to scale/flex so not worth changing".
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• 4106[23:52:58] <medmed> and how many people are working on these projects? the overhead to get into a mozilla project is prob. huge.
• 4107[23:53:13] <CutMeOwnThroat> I asked the evolution channel about some stuff… I found it specially annoying that clicking slightly above the newest email re-sorted all emails to whatever column-head I had clicked on (normally subject)
• 4108[23:53:30] <medmed> just now?
• 4109[23:53:37] <CutMeOwnThroat> nono, months ago
• 4110[23:53:43] <jim> hi... asterisk was removed from testing as of 2016-08-12, I wanted to read about why
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• 4112[23:53:48] <medmed> ah ok - answer?
• 4113[23:54:36] <CutMeOwnThroat> dpkg, why is asterisk not in testing
• 4114[23:54:36] <dpkg> asterisk is not in testing for the reasons listed in replaced-url
• 4115[23:54:47] <CutMeOwnThroat> that one's still outdated, but I think there's still a useful link there
• 4116[23:55:15] <CutMeOwnThroat> and actually there's some new pages on package removals and stuff… now if I could remember where
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• 4118[23:55:17] <jim> thanks
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• 4121[23:55:48] <medmed> CutMeOwnThroat, what did they answer?
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• 4127[23:56:55] <CutMeOwnThroat> medmed, well "but all columns are sortable everywhere" and "I know someone who knows someone who sorts stuff by subject once a month!" (well, exaggerating, but one of my points was that freaking nobody wants to sort by subject anyway)
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• 4133[23:57:55] <medmed> great
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• 4140[23:58:35] <medmed> the cons of open source software.
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• 4144[23:59:03] <medmed> but then again.. same with proprietary..
• 4145[23:59:05] <zinx> medmed: like TCO?
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• 4149[23:59:35] <CutMeOwnThroat> judd, versions asterisk
• 4150[23:59:36] <judd> Package: asterisk on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:1.8.13.1~dfsg1-3+deb7u3; wheezy-security: 1:1.8.13.1~dfsg1-3+deb7u4; wheezy-backports: 1:11.13.1~dfsg-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 1:11.13.1~dfsg-2+b1; sid: 1:13.9.1~dfsg-2
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• 4158[23:59:58] <medmed> zinx, are you building up to a point?
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