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0[00:00:01] <TomTomTosch> tom99: removing a repo does not
remove the packages you already have on your system from that repo.
you can try downgrading those packages by hand, but that's not
guaranteed to work.
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1[00:00:19] <TomTomTosch> !frankendebian
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2[00:00:25] <TomTomTosch> mpf
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3[00:01:09] <TomTomTosch> point is, you have a mixed system.
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23[00:05:22] <TomTomTosch> whatever you try to install has
libwebkitgtk-1.0-0 as a dep it tries to install it from the wheezy
repo. but you also have libcairo2 from the jessie repo on your
system, which breaks libwebkitgtk-1.0-0 (< 2.4.5-2~) and prevents
it from being installed. downgrading libcairo2 is not guaranteed to
work. if i were you i would probably try to do a full upgrade to
jessie.
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51[00:23:47] <tom99> So libcairo2 is being installed but it
requires libwebkitgtk 1.0?
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52[00:24:02] <tom99> why isn't my libwebkitgtk 2.4.5-2
enough? i don't understand what the line means
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56[00:24:53] <TomTomTosch> libcairo2 breaks the version of
libwebkitgtk that you are trying to install.
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58[00:26:16] <tom99> I did a dpkg -l and it says
libwebkitgtk-1.0.0 is already installed and debian number is
1.8.1-3.4? so there's 2 different numbers for the same package?
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62[00:27:33] <TomTomTosch> apt-cache policy libwebkitgtk-1.0-0
please
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67[00:28:55] <tom99>
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71[00:30:52] <TomTomTosch> oh, so you are mixing testing and
wheezy.
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73[00:32:10] <TomTomTosch> either way, mixing releases broke
your stuff.
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74[00:32:11] <tom99> idk, somebody told me to add testing to my
repos before but I removed it because someone else said it's a
bad idea.
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76[00:32:32] <tom99> right.
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77[00:32:47] <TomTomTosch> you still have testing in your
sorces.
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79[00:32:58] <TomTomTosch> or didn't update yet.
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82[00:33:29] <TomTomTosch> you removed wheezy.
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83[00:33:51] <tom99> i think you're right, i see a line
like that
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85[00:34:03] <tom99> testing main contrib non-free
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89[00:34:36] <tom99> What i don't get is it says
"1.8.1-3.4 is to be installed" but I already have
1.8.1-3.4 of libwebkitgtk installed
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91[00:34:37] <TomTomTosch> ah, so you try something from
testing that depends on libcairo2 which conflickts with the wheezy
version of libwebkitgtk-1.0-0. this way around makes more sense^^
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95[00:36:02] <TomTomTosch> meh. writing is hard.
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100[00:38:21] <tom99> is the package I'm trying to install
from testing? i don't see where it says that in the apt output
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102[00:39:18] <TomTomTosch> apt-cache policy the command you
used and apt-cache policy <the package you tried to install>
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103[00:39:41] <TomTomTosch> gimme that then i can stop
guessing^^
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104[00:39:56] <tom99> but I have libwebkitgtk-1.0.0
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105[00:40:02] <tom99> oh sorry i didn't see that
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106[00:40:34] <tom99> i tried to install emacs-goodies-el
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107[00:40:38] <tom99> What do I need to type?
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109[00:41:09] <TomTomTosch> apt-cache policy the command you
used and apt-cache policy <the package you tried to install>
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112[00:41:26] <TomTomTosch> to a pastebin
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116[00:42:48] <tom99> um, that doesn't make any sense to me
but ok
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117[00:42:57] <tom99> sec
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120[00:44:09] <TomTomTosch> 'apt-cache policy' is one
command. then i would like to see the command you used to install
emacs-goodies-el and 'apt-cache policy emacs-goodies-el'
is the second command i would like to see the output from.
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125[00:44:42] <tom99>
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128[00:45:22] <TomTomTosch> you copied the same thing twice.
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129[00:45:41] <tom99> you asked for apt-cache policy <the
command I typed>. I typed 'apt-get install
emacs-goodies-el'
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130[00:45:46] <tom99> I thought that's probably not what
you wanted
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133[00:46:19] <tom99> did you want "apt-cache policy
install emacs-goodies-el"?
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135[00:46:50] <TomTomTosch> i asked for three things. but
that's fine. it will try to install emacs-goodies-el from
testing and conflicts with the wheezy packages you have installed.
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136[00:47:07] <AciD`> hey, I installed debian with the
debian-installer, and a btrfs / partition
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137[00:47:15] <TomTomTosch> tom99: i gave you the exact commands
i wanted to see.
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138[00:47:29] <tom99> which is the libwebkitgtk which has
version 1.8.1-3.4?
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139[00:47:34] <TomTomTosch> yes
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140[00:48:11] <AciD`> should I create a subvolume named
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141[00:48:47] <tom99> what is the 2.4.5-2~ referring to?
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145[00:50:05] <TomTomTosch> to the setting of the controlfield
'breaks' that libcairo2 from testing has.
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146[00:50:48] <TomTomTosch> can't install that version of
libcairo2 if libwebkitgtk-1.0-0 (< 2.4.5-2~) is installed
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148[00:51:39] <tom99> oh it requires at least 2.4.5-2~. Why
doesn't it just say libcairo2 requires v 2.4.5-2 or higher of
blah blah then. this format is confusing
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149[00:52:25] <TomTomTosch> because it's not a direct
dependency. it just breaks it.
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151[00:52:58] <tom99> hrm, alright.
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152[00:53:17] <tom99> also it confused me to hell that it says
and I have 1.8.1-3.4 is "to be installed" even though
it's already installed
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153[00:53:24] <tom99> thanks for the clarification
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158[00:55:44] <TomTomTosch> np
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159[00:56:54] <tom99> ah ok apt-cache policy emacs-goodies-el is
what tells me it is from a testing repo. got it
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192[01:15:30] <wonsonwin> It's not nice to wake up and
understand we have been lied to our whole life.
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195[01:16:10] <wonsonwin> I have study holocaust for about ten
years , and believe me , the gas chamber is a straight forward lie !
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196[01:16:40] <wonsonwin>
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197[01:16:42] <wonsonwin> PART 19 - 20 - TORTURE / NUREMBERG
TRIALS - Dennis Wise on The Greatest Story NEVER Told
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201[01:17:33] <Gryllida> you can leave freenode and share this
with efnet and undernet instead
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204[01:18:16] <abrotman> Gryllida: you can call !ops
<reason> in here, it flags us
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205[01:19:10] <Gryllida> I will do it in the pm to the bot next
time, I thought doing it in the other channel works too
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207[01:19:23] <abrotman> PM to the bot doens't work
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208[01:20:03] <Gryllida> it doesn't?
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209[01:20:16] <abrotman> you mean "/msg dpkg ops help"
? no
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210[01:20:33] <girlsox> "You're working for the
Jews." LOL. We're all working for the Jews. What about it?
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214[01:21:03] <tom99> i like to date jewish girls. does that
make me part of the problem?
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215[01:21:07] <abrotman> ...
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217[01:21:15] <abrotman> tom99: don't, you'll get a +q
also
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218[01:21:36] <tom99> abrotman, I know but I can't resist
feeding the trolls sometimes
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222[01:21:48] <abrotman> tom99: Then go take a break, thank you
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231[01:25:13] <crystalmah> Eww.
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340[02:23:57] <epson-l350> how can i desktop newbie like me
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341[02:24:09] <epson-l350> how can i desktop newbie like me
install the Epson L350 Printer on jessie?
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344[02:25:23] <equilibrio> epson-l350:
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345[02:25:35] <equilibrio> I think they got drivers for linux
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354[02:32:14] <epson-l350> equilibrio, dpkg -i
epson-inkjet-printer-201207w_1.0.0-1lsb3.2_i386.deb gives me an
error: lsb is not installed
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356[02:34:40] <abrotman> epson-l350: aptitude install lsb
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358[02:34:49] <hanshenrik> in what folder does iPXE starts? iPXE
docs say that it will automatically execute any file starting with
"#!ipxe", but it doesn't say what folder it
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359[02:35:26] <hanshenrik> or rather, i dont care what folder it
starts in, just what folder it searches for #!ipxe scripts,
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360[02:36:06] <epson-l350> abrotman, i installed abrotman and
then the abovementioned epsopn driver but how do i configure the
printer?
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361[02:36:20] <epson-l350> abrotman, i installed lsb and then
the abovementioned epsopn driver but how do i configure the printer?
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362[02:36:36] <abrotman> epson-l350: heck if I know, I
haven't owned a printer in nearly 20 years. :)
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363[02:36:52] <abrotman> there's probably a nice GUI tool
for that depending on your DE
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364[02:37:04] <abrotman> oddly, that last printer was an Epson
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365[02:37:38] <epson-l350> i see no nice gui tool at all
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366[02:37:55] <abrotman> what DE are you using?
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367[02:37:57] <abrotman> or just CLI?
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368[02:38:03] <epson-l350> MATE
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369[02:38:26] <abrotman> I'm sure in the setttings
there's a Printer widget
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370[02:38:45] <abrotman> I haven't used "MATE"
since they thankfully killed Gnome2
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373[02:39:34] <epson-l350> i was told that i may use a web
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374[02:39:39] <abrotman> Okay
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375[02:40:00] <epson-l350> but how?
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377[02:40:29] <abrotman> I think you missed you the part where I
haven't owned a printer in nearly 20 years ... That was before
Gnome2 existed
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384[02:43:47] <squib> is apt-get update && apt-get
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385[02:43:54] <squib> somehow I get the feeling it is not that
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387[02:44:15] <abrotman> squib: you may need to do a
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388[02:44:22] <squib> I see
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389[02:44:24] <squib> fair enough
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390[02:44:30] <hanshenrik> squib, yes, yes it is
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391[02:44:44] <hanshenrik> oh, right, that too i guess
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397[02:45:29] <hanshenrik> well, i guess theoretically you have
to restart to apply kernel security patches, not sure about that..
anyone?
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405[02:46:41] <abrotman> squib: it largely depends on which
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422[02:48:45] <squib> looks like 8.6
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426[02:49:35] <hanshenrik> is dpkg, the irc bot, down?
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427[02:50:03] <squib> I have another question guys. what are the
typical approaches to maintaining a local software repo so that you
don't have to grant your Linux servers internet access
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428[02:50:16] <squib> I'd rather patch them with a central
maintenance host here
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430[02:54:25] <abrotman> hanshenrik: the bot is missing from the
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431[02:54:49] <abrotman> squib: like an apt-proxy?
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432[02:54:59] <squib> abrotman, hey that looks fun to google
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433[02:55:06] <squib> and so I shall
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435[02:56:10] <tyronemorris> ITEL Radio: Blackbird9 Guest Hosts
– NSA Spying & Jewish Power Plays
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436[02:56:20] <tyronemorris>
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446[03:01:47] <warmweather> Should we concerned about Jewish
butchers and a Jew World Order?
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448[03:02:30] <ryouma> we should be concerned about trolls
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477[03:09:37] <bazhang> ChristineSi, wrong channel and network
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478[03:10:01] <murphy> lol
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491[03:15:21] <locrian9> Is it a common problem when a hardware
RAID controller labels the drives in cciss (ie /dev/cciss/c0d0p1)
and the Debian installer doesn't understand
'/dev/cciss/c0d0p1'? I'm having an issue where my HP
ProLiant DL350 (G5) server hosting an HP Smart Array P400i
Controller won't install Debian Etch cause it doesn't
recognize the /dev/cciss/c0d0p1 partition. It's probably
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506[03:19:36] <Phanes> thinking about migrating from ubuntu
server to debian
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507[03:19:57] <Phanes> any drawbacks i should look out for? I
depend on FGLRX for my desktop system which I'd also be
migrating
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508[03:20:09] <Phanes> because radeon will not properly support
my cards
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509[03:20:23] <bazhang> fglrrx is dead, no matter the os
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511[03:20:31] <abrotman> that's not true ..
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512[03:20:34] <abrotman> factually
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514[03:20:47] <Phanes> well, there's amdgpu, but, im not
ready to make that transition yet
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516[03:20:53] <bazhang> on life support then
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517[03:20:53] <Phanes> it is actually the reason im migrating
away from ubuntu
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518[03:20:53] <abrotman> Though, I'd encourage Phanes to
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519[03:21:00] <Phanes> nopr
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520[03:21:06] <Phanes> i mean *nope
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521[03:21:08] <Phanes> not doing radeon
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522[03:21:36] <Phanes> i have 2 50" 4k displays and use
premium cards
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523[03:22:00] <Phanes> thats like putting kerosene in your
lamborghini
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525[03:22:24] <abrotman> That's why people buy Matrox cards
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534[03:24:40] <abrotman> Phanes: anyway, it's sort of one
of those things you have to just try. You've only mentioned
your video cards .. I'm sure you have other requirements?
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537[03:25:37] <Phanes> well, vanilla services configuration,
like apache et al, but, i actually trust it is thought out well on
debian, i can learn those things
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541[03:26:30] <Phanes> but i wont be able to develop a better
graphics driver than proprietary and am unwilling to become one of
those poor fanatics who have downgraded their visual experience
repeatedly for the last 30 years on the hopes that 'this time
they got the oss drivers right'
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544[03:27:54] <jmcnaught> i think it's always worth at
least trying the radeon drivers. fglrx in Debian 8 is also broken
for GNOME
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546[03:28:28] <debkad> question: how to make things happen?
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547[03:28:33] <Phanes> i use i3
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548[03:28:57] <sersoni> i'm a beer drinker
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550[03:29:22] <^v> caja (MATE file manager) is doing stupid
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551[03:29:35] <^v> i can click drag things around and its bugged
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553[03:29:41] <debkad> Phanes, i3 is good but without conky it
is kind of useless
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554[03:29:43] <^v> if i double click anything caja crashes
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556[03:30:15] <Phanes> debkad, i use a modified version of
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558[03:31:00] <jmcnaught> ^v: which release of Debian? do you
get the same problem as a different (new) user?
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559[03:31:08] <gtrott> hello
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561[03:31:29] <sersoni>
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562[03:31:30] <sersoni> Expulsion Of The Jews Throughout History
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564[03:31:42] <jmcnaught> !ops sersoni
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565[03:31:44] <^v> jmcnaught, sid
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566[03:31:51] <^v> ill try making a new account
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572[03:32:00] <debkad> Phanes, i think that can be done with
i3bar + xdotool ( may be with some scripting too )
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573[03:32:11] <abrotman> jmcnaught: bot is missing
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576[03:32:40] <abrotman> debhelper: hiya!
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583[03:33:18] <^v> jmcnaught, does indeed happen on different
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584[03:33:31] <jmcnaught> apt: debian-next
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587[03:33:39] <abrotman> apt: hi
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588[03:33:39] <apt> hello, abrotman
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589[03:33:41] <gtrott> hello, i need some help with a step in
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590[03:33:41] <gtrott> cat ~/.profile
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591[03:33:41] <gtrott> not sure what to do here
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592[03:33:41] <gtrott> figured some kind linux guru's in
here might know... my buddy i usually ask is offline. if anyone
could point me in the right direction. thanks
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594[03:33:57] <iamawesome> aptitude install postgresql , what
does it install?
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597[03:34:06] <jmcnaught> ^v: do you know which packages you
have updated recently?
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598[03:34:15] <debkad> something sql
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599[03:34:16] <iamawesome> I've installed postgresql-9.4
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600[03:34:30] <iamawesome> What type of package is postgresql?
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601[03:34:39] <debkad> sql thingy i think
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602[03:34:40] <iamawesome> What's the difference between
postgresql-9.4 and postgresql ?
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603[03:34:43] <TomTomTosch> iamawesome: a metapackage
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604[03:34:49] <abrotman> iamawesome: apt-cache show foo ; read
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605[03:34:57] <^v> jmcnaught, i updated yesterday not sure what,
i wasnt having issues after that they just suddenly appeared today
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607[03:35:12] <iamawesome> p postgresql - object-relational SQL
database (supported version)
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608[03:35:13] <abrotman> dpkg: hi
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609[03:35:13] <dpkg> moin moin, abrotman
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611[03:35:31] <iamawesome> i postgresql-9.4 - object-relational
SQL database, version 9.4 server
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612[03:35:41] <iamawesome> What is supported version?
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613[03:35:50] <debkad> the bot is a german
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614[03:35:53] <jmcnaught> ^v: are you using apt-listchanges and
apt-listbugs? your computer also has logs of what it upgraded in
/var/log/apt and /var/log/dpkg
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615[03:36:12] <abrotman> debkad: do you need help with Debian?
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616[03:36:21] <gtrott> hello, i need some help with a step in
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617[03:36:23] <TomTomTosch> iamawesome: as i said, it's a
metapackage. it will install the currently supported version, which
is postgresql-9.4 ^^
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618[03:36:23] <debkad> abrotman, not at the moment
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619[03:36:40] <gtrott> not sure what to do here, figured some
linux guru's in here might know... my buddy i usually ask is
offline. if anyone could point me in the right direction. thanks
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622[03:37:03] <iamawesome> Description-en: object-relational SQL
database (supported version) This metapackage always depends on the
currently supported PostgreSQL database server version.
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627[03:37:31] <iamawesome> I've installed postgresql-9.4,
so aptitude install postgresql, what does it try to install then?
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629[03:37:38] <abrotman> a metapackage
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630[03:37:43] <TomTomTosch> an empty package
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632[03:37:59] <iamawesome> What does that metapackage do? When
do i need to install metapackage?
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633[03:38:01] <OS-22314> Hi everybody. Basic question... try to
do bind shell with ncat and for some reason the Windows box is
refusing the connection. It was working and I've disabled the
firewall along with resetting the VM completely. What else do you
recommend?
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635[03:38:08] <abrotman> dpkg: tell iamawesome about metapackage
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637[03:38:21] <^v> jmcnaught, heres my apt history
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639[03:38:33] <jmcnaught> gtrott: your link gave an error for
me. you're having trouble using cat on your ~/.profile? Maybe
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644[03:39:02] <^v> yeah looks like caja
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645[03:39:11] <debkad> abrotman, i actually have/had a question,
but still didn't get the answer, and i think no one know about
it, i'm digging everyday to get it fixed, i have already a
workaround but that need me some staff to do to get a little fix
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646[03:39:12] <iamawesome> So i don't need to install
postgresql, right?
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647[03:39:18] <^v> i should just report it in #mate :v thanks
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649[03:39:24] <iamawesome> As i've postgresql-9.4 installed
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651[03:39:34] <abrotman> you probably should, but it's up
to you
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652[03:39:53] <jmcnaught> iamawesome: you would install the
postgresql so that when you upgrade from jessie->stretch the
version of postgresql in stretch will be installed
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653[03:40:23] <iamawesome> Ok
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654[03:40:43] <iamawesome> But there isn't a metapackage
like mysql. I had to install mysql-server , why is it?
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655[03:40:51] <jmcnaught> ^v: well it looks like a lot of
packages were upgraded, maybe you don't upgrade very often? you
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656[03:41:12] <TomTomTosch> iamawesome: mysql-server is a
metapackage too.
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657[03:41:41] <TomTomTosch> iamawesome: it depends on
mysql-server-5.5 on jessie and mysql-server-5.6 on sid
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658[03:41:45] <gtrott> jmcnaught
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661[03:42:45] <jmcnaught> gtrott: i don't have javascript
enabled for URLs from IRC strangers. the debian paste site
doesn't require javascript
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662[03:43:39] <iamawesome> Why is it named mysql-server instead
of mysql ?
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663[03:43:50] <iamawesome> Like postgresql is metapackage.
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664[03:43:52] <gtrott> its from irccloud - let me figure this
out...
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665[03:43:56] <TomTomTosch> because there is also a client and
they don't come bundled.
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666[03:43:57] <iamawesome> not postgresql-server
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667[03:44:00] <jmcnaught> oh i see there is a raw link. gtrott
it looks like it just wants you to put those lines in your
~/.profile
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669[03:44:30] <iamawesome> There is postgresql-client too.
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670[03:44:41] <jmcnaught> gtrott: you would use a text editor to
do that. "editor ~/.profile" will run "the best"
editor you have installed
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671[03:44:52] <gtrott> that is what i did... but the
"ralph" command is unknown
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675[03:45:36] <gtrott> I'm assuming it adds the path for
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676[03:45:42] <iamawesome> Can anyone answer?
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677[03:45:58] <jmcnaught> gtrott: does it work if you run
"source ~/.profile" ?
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679[03:46:15] <jmcnaught> iamawesome: are you reading the
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680[03:46:25] <TomTomTosch> iamawesome: i already told you. the
client comes bundled with postgresql
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681[03:46:47] <abrotman> iamawesome: the discretion of the
packaging team probably
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686[03:47:53] <gtrott> jmcnaught: that did it... now i have some
other errors... joy
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687[03:48:13] <TomTomTosch> ah well, to be fair. the mysql
client comes bundled too, so what abrotman said.
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688[03:48:47] <abrotman> I'm sure you could email them and
get some more definitive answer
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690[03:49:14] <jmcnaught> gtrott: so however you're
starting bash is not running .profile. you could use .bashrc instead
of .profile, or read "man bash" section on INVOCATION to
when each of those is used
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694[03:50:43] <gtrott> jmcnaught: mysql permissions now... back
to reading :) thanks for the tip.. and i'll read up on bash
too. Thank you
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695[03:51:18] <mrrhq-mobile> Yeah, the only thing I have in my
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696[03:51:30] <mrrhq-mobile> I use .bash_profile.
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706[03:57:46] <awal1> what does timedatectl exactly in the
background «---» bios when setting rtc to utc?
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707[03:59:41] <awal1> i have set he correct time manually in
bios but after running timedatectl set-local-rtc 0 time is wrong in
bios (4 hours more then the correct time)
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710[04:00:27] <awal1> my time is fine in debian, Just curious
what timedatectl does/why wrong time in bios after the above command
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728[04:10:06] <TomTomTosch> the hardware clock does not keep
track of your timezone. so it will be off if you set it to UTC
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735[04:16:05] <mrrhq-mobile> Yeah, you might need to do sudo
dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
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737[04:16:42] <TomTomTosch> he said his time is fine in debian.
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740[04:18:34] <remote> are some *.debian.org site down?
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741[04:18:59] <remote> i can't access security and
backports
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742[04:19:34] <awal1> mrrhq-mobile, debian system time is
correct
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743[04:20:23] <awal1> TomTomTosch, ok, got you :)
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756[04:28:32] <iKarith> Can anyone suggest a way to keep X11
from crashing when the display gets disconnected? Like, the display
goes into powersave mode if you plug it back in. Change VTs and the
display comes back up, but go back to 7 and powersave mode again.
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757[04:28:45] <portedpot> Charles talks more about how
corporations run everything in our world, including our government,
churches, courts, and more.
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758[04:28:48] <iKarith> This happens regardless of the VT when
the display was disconnected.
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759[04:29:04] <iKarith> The only fix I've found is to
restart lightdm.
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760[04:29:15] <TomTomTosch> !ops portedpot
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762[04:29:16] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH,
mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel,
zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: tomtomtosch
complains about: portedpot
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763[04:29:21] <TomTomTosch> meh^^
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764[04:29:34] <iKarith> Radeon, free drivers, DVI monitor.
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770[04:30:51] <iKarith> I'm seriously asking myself here if
I _NEED_ a $300 KVM switch, because I do need to change where the
monitor is connected once in awhile to a test machine.
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783[04:36:12] <rjsalts> iKarith: crashing to a black screen? or
some other behaviour?
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784[04:37:28] <iKarith> rjsalts: black screen, monitor turns off
when you change to vt7
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785[04:37:50] <iKarith> rjsalts: change back to vt1-6 and
monitor turns on and shows a console login
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786[04:38:45] <rjsalts> iKarith: I've been able to
connect/disconnect monitors on my laptop without too much trouble,
but there is always the inbuilt laptop display.
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790[04:40:10] <iKarith> Right, I don't have a laptop
display. This is me needing to switch from a Core i7 desktop on
which I am building an embedded distribution to the machine upon
which I am running the embedded distribution to make sure it boots
right. Once it comes up, I can control it remotely. But the testing
is being hampered by having X die on the desktop.
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793[04:40:49] <iKarith> Finite space, only one monitor
realistically available in this location, etc.
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794[04:41:41] <iKarith> And both devices connect over DVI. If
one connected over VGA, it'd be easy. The monitor supports that
itself.
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795[04:41:49] <rjsalts> iKarith: if you go to vt1 console and
log in as the user on your X session, export DISPLAY=:0 what does
xrandr tell you about your displays? if you're on another
session than the first then export DISLAY=:1, etc
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796[04:43:00] <iKarith> After it crashes, it shows an error
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797[04:43:23] <rjsalts> in Xorg...log?
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799[04:45:17] <awal1> since linux 4.5+ support for extra
monitors has been improved notably
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801[04:46:15] <iKarith> I don't see any error there.
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803[04:46:25] <iKarith> I wonder if the logs have been rotated
out on me.
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804[04:46:52] <iKarith> I don't read seconds since 1970
timestamps natively. :P
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805[04:47:08] * iKarith will poke at it. Can always recreate the
crash.
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839[05:06:50] <Manojkumar> Hi
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841[05:06:58] <Manojkumar> first day
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842[05:07:38] <dvs> ...of the rest of your life!!!
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848[05:10:37] <hanshenrik> using the netboot PXE installer, it
asks me if i want to use the language C or the language English..
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850[05:10:42] <ixor> I have a tar.xz file for ghc8 for haskell,
now is there a way to aptitude install it? or is it meant to be just
unpacked?
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852[05:10:55] <ixor>
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853[05:11:11] <hanshenrik> ixor, a tar.xz file? its meant to be
unpacked
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854[05:11:23] <debkad> ixor, unpack, compile, install
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855[05:11:24] <ixor> oh wow so its like unpack and run?
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856[05:11:33] <debkad> depend
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857[05:11:35] <hanshenrik> idk
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858[05:11:40] <ixor> damn whats the tar switch for lz again?
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859[05:11:56] <hanshenrik> you mean lz or tar.xz ?
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860[05:12:01] <hanshenrik> cus they're different
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861[05:12:02] <debkad> most are like i said, others have binary
( need to be careful )
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862[05:12:05] <ixor> oops yes xz
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863[05:12:50] <hanshenrik> ixor, google suggests it's: tar
-xJf file.tar.xz
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864[05:13:08] <debkad> or may be tar xf
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865[05:13:37] <ixor> J
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866[05:13:45] <ixor> ok unpacking
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867[05:13:50] <ixor> this should get interesting
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868[05:13:56] <ixor> haskell has always fascinated me
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869[05:14:41] <ixor> happstack.com looks epic
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872[05:16:01] <ixor> I read that deadline and JFS are a mean
combi
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873[05:16:09] <ixor> what do you gents think?
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874[05:16:21] <ixor> icewm desktop running firefox with ublock
here
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876[05:16:46] <TomTomTosch> ixor: before running make install
you might want to read into checkinstall. that tool builds a package
for you with one easy command.
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877[05:17:03] <ixor> !
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878[05:17:06] <TomTomTosch>
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889[05:22:36] <ixor> I learn new cool things daily.
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890[05:23:02] <ixor> so what about this bfq thing I keep hearing
about?
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891[05:23:06] <ixor> is that available?
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895[05:24:56] <tom99> ixor: haskell sounds scary
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899[05:31:05] <crowell> #debian-next is invite only?
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900[05:31:19] <TomTomTosch> !debian-next
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901[05:31:19] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
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903[05:31:37] <crowell> whoops :) thanks
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904[05:31:41] <polyzen> heheh
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905[05:31:41] <TomTomTosch> ^.^
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920[05:45:32] <dko> what are the difference between
debian's official multimedia packages and deb-multimedia.org?
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925[05:49:45] <awal1> dpkg: deb-multimedia
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926[05:49:45] <dpkg> We recommend against using
deb-multimedia.org; these unofficial packages are known to cause
many hard to debug problems. They are not in Debian either because
the they are poor in quality or for legal reasons. See
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931[05:51:55] <ixor> just switched to debian from freebsd
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932[05:52:02] <pingfloyd> dko: deb-multimedia is completely
unofficial and has no affiliation with debian
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933[05:52:14] <ixor> I notice the kernel is 3 while 4 is listed
on kernel.org
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934[05:52:25] <dko> ixor: you can use backports on stable
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935[05:52:34] <ixor> are there all kinds of goodies in 4?
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936[05:52:37] <pingfloyd> dko: in fact, that's why debian
wanted them to change their domain name to prevent confusion on that
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937[05:52:43] <ixor> backports...
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938[05:52:49] <ixor> so hows that work?
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940[05:52:58] <dko> ixor:
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941[05:53:13] <ixor> will aptitude be ok with it?
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942[05:53:21] <ixor> or can any crazy stuff happen?
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944[05:53:35] <pingfloyd> dko:
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945[05:53:39] <dko> ixor: for me, everything is good.
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947[05:53:50] <dko> pingfloyd: thanks, the bot gave me all the
info i need
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948[05:54:38] <dko> ixor: i'd recommend trying out each
package to see if they work OK, the kernel should be fine. I run the
backported amd64 one.
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950[05:55:06] <ixor> ok so once its installed I run what to get
the 4 kernel? aptitude install linux?
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951[05:55:14] <pingfloyd> ixor: backports should be used only
where needed
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952[05:55:26] <ixor> I dont neeeed to really do it then
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953[05:56:17] <ixor> hek with
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954[05:56:25] <ixor> and I can have web domination!
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955[05:57:22] <pingfloyd> ixor: by default they have a lower
priority than release versions of same package when you add them to
our sources.list
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956[05:57:26] <pingfloyd> *your
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957[05:57:49] <ixor> what kernel do you have?
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958[05:57:53] <pingfloyd> ixor: which is a good thing, as they
should only be installed explicitly on a case by case basis
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959[05:57:58] <ixor> do you notice difference?
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964[06:01:04] <TomTomTosch> the usual reason to upgrade is
hardware support^^
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979[06:08:16] <ixor> I am guna jsut keep 8.6 amd64 as is
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980[06:08:27] <ixor> is working nicely with JFS and deadline
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982[06:08:41] <ixor> on my 6 core amd fx with 16g ram :)
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983[06:09:17] <pingfloyd> ixor: if you're having issues
with the 3.16 kernel image that comes with jessie, then you probably
should try the 4.6 version from backports next.
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984[06:09:30] <ixor> no issues
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986[06:09:38] <ixor> I am just a whore for the newest stuff
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987[06:09:41] <pingfloyd> I'd stick with 3.16 then for now
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989[06:09:47] <pingfloyd> !sns
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990[06:09:47] <dpkg> Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious
disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time
something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about
<backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than
upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
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991[06:10:00] <tom99> does anybody know how to use jigdo on
windows?
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992[06:10:14] <tom99> I tried jigdo-file make-image <URL of
jigdo file> but so far nothing
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993[06:10:24] <catrox> windozzzze
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994[06:10:37] <ixor> out blassfeeeiere!
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995[06:10:58] <ixor> the streets shall flow red with the blood
of the unbeleivers!
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996[06:11:09] <catrox> the torches and pitchforks come forth
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997[06:11:31] <ixor> mr sulu lock photon torpedo on and fire at
will
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998[06:11:36] <tom99> but I repented and now wish to only
download the one true OS (TM)
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999[06:11:43] <tom99> Please have mercy
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1000[06:11:49] <ixor> [ * ]
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1002[06:12:07] <tom99> ixor: lol wow
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1003[06:12:08] <ixor> [ **** ]
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1006[06:12:23] <ixor> [ ********** ]
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1007[06:12:26] <ixor> BOOOOM!
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1012[06:14:24] <jmcnaught> tom99: most people just use the
netinst, one windows you can copy it to a USB stick with
win32diskimager
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1013[06:14:36] <jmcnaught> s/one/on/
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1014[06:14:57] <pingfloyd> ixor: ever seen this?
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1015[06:16:09] <Nadeem> how to use tpb to display osd for volume
, brightness, etc on thinkpad with debian??
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1027[06:22:09] <tom99> dddebian
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1028[06:22:17] <tom99> why am i still connected if jigdo is
giving me host not found errors
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1032[06:26:31] <rjsalts> tom99: dns problems?
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1033[06:27:04] <jmcnaught> Nadeem: does it still work? tpb looks
pretty old, and the README in the package only lists older models
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1034[06:27:20] <tom99> rjsalts: jigdo problems
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1035[06:27:33] <tom99> now it's a zombie process, can't
kill it can't close it
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1037[06:27:55] <rjsalts> tom99: zombies should be reaped by their
parent
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1038[06:28:08] <rjsalts> tom99: what is the parent process?
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1039[06:28:18] <Nadeem> jmcnaught: i am using i3 window manger i
want to know volume and brightness status thats y???? any
suggestions
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1040[06:29:12] <tom99> rjsalts: i'm on windows and i
don't know, all i know is I tried to get jigdo to download a
debian image and now i have a zombie process that won't go away
after it got host errors
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1043[06:30:15] <jmcnaught> Nadeem: i use GNOME, stuff like that
just works. maybe in #i3 people will have suggestions
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1045[06:31:28] <rjsalts> tom99: oh, windows is a different beast.
never used jigdo on windows. But
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1046[06:31:46] <tom99> rjsalts: i'm retrying in another
command window with jigdo the other version
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1048[06:33:07] <tom99> rjsalts: I ran that procexp thing but I
only see the current jigdo operation I did. not the other one
that's frozen
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1049[06:33:12] <tom99> but the window is still there in explorer
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1052[06:33:47] <tom99> killed and restarted explorer in windows
and that fixed the problem, it went away
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1053[06:33:55] <tom99> Thank you for your help rjsalts!
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1054[06:34:12] <tom99> oh wait i was too premature
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1055[06:34:15] <tom99> it's still there. :(
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1056[06:35:17] <rjsalts> tom99: I'm afraid I've
exhausted my windows and jigdo knowledge, apart from the advice that
a reboot would definitely fix it
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1057[06:35:56] <tom99> rjsalts: I feel irked whenever I have to
do that. It's like, ok can't straighten out this picture
frame, time to demolish the house with fire and rebuild.
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1058[06:36:00] <rjsalts> tom99: Is the new jigdo process working
fine, or is it running into files it can't open
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1059[06:36:45] <rjsalts> tom99: same
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1061[06:37:28] <tom99> it seems to be farther along, it's
talking about assembling file 1 of 3 thousand something
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1062[06:37:52] <tom99> i didn't know what to type in when it
asked for a mirror so I randomly pasted something about berkeley
from the jigdo FAQ
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1064[06:38:22] <tom99> so this time I tried us.debian.org,
ftp.us.debian.org/debian, and I think ftp.us.debian.org finally
worked
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1066[06:39:19] <rjsalts> yes, that's right
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1067[06:39:19] <tom99> i don't know what i'm doing and
jigdo own page and debian wiki don't say so I just type
whatever I guess. :)
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1069[06:39:57] <tom99> and if I have to guess you can imagine
what the ordinary user is going to think. lol.
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1071[06:40:48] <tom99> anyway it seems to be downloading now so
i'll come back later and the next guy on windows who wants
debian can suffer i guess
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1072[06:41:00] <tom99> afk
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1073[06:41:09] <rjsalts> jigdo is supposed to be a generic
solution to creating a cd image from a large number of separate
files. I'm surprised that debian wiki wasn't helpful
though
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1078[06:45:04] <TomTomTosch> the wiki has a working url and an
example of usage.
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1079[06:46:41] <TomTomTosch> and links to more extensive
documentation.
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1095[06:55:26] <TomTomTosch> tom99: step for step instructions^^
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1096[06:56:18] <TomTomTosch> might be a good idea to copy that to
the wiki, though.
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1132[07:21:30] <rydereg> Much like Theodore Kaufman, Louis Nizer,
and Henry Morgenthau (all jews), Earnest Hooton (another jew) wanted
to see the German people destroyed, but he sought to do it with mass
non-White male immigration. Ursula Haverbeck, who is now a political
prisoner for exposing Holocaust lies, lays out the genocidal plans
against the German people in her last public address.
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1133[07:21:32] <rydereg>
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1149[07:29:42] <jmcnaught> !ops tomorrowskies and in #d-o too
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1150[07:29:42] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH,
mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel,
zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: jmcnaught
complains about: tomorrowskies and in #d-o too
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1153[07:29:58] <tomorrowskies> Much like Theodore Kaufman, Louis
Nizer, and Henry Morgenthau (all jews), Earnest Hooton (another jew)
wanted to see the German people destroyed, but he sought to do it
with mass non-White male immigration. Ursula Haverbeck, who is now a
political prisoner for exposing Holocaust lies, lays out the
genocidal plans against the German people in her last public
address.
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1154[07:29:59] <tomorrowskies>
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1156[07:30:11] <tomorrowskies> Alarmingly, four of the five
points of this jewish plan are already completed.
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1158[07:30:42] <tomorrowskies> In this 29 minute video Ursula
Haverbeck, a German woman who lived through WWII discusses the
migrant invasion how it is part of larger plan to destroy Germany,
and is a continuation of the WW II era Hooton Plan (and similar
schemes), created by organized jewry as part of their larger plan
for world domination, aka, the Jew World Order — KATANA.
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1300[08:57:02] <Epakai> how do i make emacs stop opening things
(mostly via xdg-open) just because i have it installed for gcl?
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1301[08:58:35] <Epakai> i have alternatives set appropriately
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1342[09:19:21] <tom99> TomTomTosch, it appears I was mistaken.
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1343[09:19:41] <tom99> or else I randomly read that text and then
forgot i read it, prompting me to "guess" the url
ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian
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1345[09:21:03] <tom99> I couldn't find jigdo-lite script
either at first
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1346[09:21:17] <tom99> I finally realized what happened is when
you Extract here on windows it doesn't create a directory
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1348[09:21:42] <tom99> Therefore you pick the jigdo-bin folder
thinking that is the folder for jigdo and there is no script to use.
T_T
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1374[09:30:15] <trooper900>
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1375[09:31:19] <trooper900> Representing Radio Stormer,
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1379[09:31:50] <cdown> !ops ^
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1380[09:31:50] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH,
mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel,
zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: cdown complains
about: ^
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1390[09:34:53] <k_sze[work]> I read somewhere that I don't
actually need root privilege to set a thread's scheduling
priority? I just need the correct rlimit for my user. How do I set
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1433[09:51:36] <dionysus69> why is it that copying large files
sometimes makes whole gnome freeze
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1435[09:52:09] <dionysus69> usually from my experience nautilus
performance is very bad surprisingly...
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1442[09:54:30] <DriesS> for my beaglebone I can choose debian iot
or console
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1443[09:54:38] <DriesS> what is the big difference between the 2?
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1448[09:57:48] <jelly> DriesS: choose where?
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1449[09:57:58] <DriesS> to download image
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1451[09:58:13] <jelly> DriesS: is this image on debian.org
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1452[09:58:18] <DriesS> jelly:
replaced-url
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1453[09:58:50] <jelly> DriesS: official debian images will be
hosted somewhere on debian.org, usually cdimage.debian.org
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1456[09:59:50] <jelly> DriesS: these downloads seem to be from
replaced-url
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1497[10:26:00] <Ke> how do I cancel pendin actions on aptitude,
if cancel pending actions does not work
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1498[10:26:13] <Ke> I want to aptitude to try to do nothing
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1500[10:27:50] <rjsalts> Ke: If you're still in the same
session ctrl-u to undo
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1502[10:28:17] <Ke> nope
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1505[10:29:29] <Ke> bah, I'll just go ahead with it
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1511[10:30:57] <babilen> Ke: "aptitude keep-all"
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1512[10:31:14] <Ke> thanks, I'll try that next time
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1514[10:32:46] <babilen> It's a bit of a badly chosen name,
but it does exactly that
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1515[10:32:56] <babilen> Not sure how to do it in the TUI
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1516[10:33:01] <Ke> it is a big pain to not have networking while
installing
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1517[10:33:12] <rjsalts> I'm trying to backport nss-wrapper
to jessie. Getting an error compiling the test suite:
"nss-wrapper-1.1.2/tests/test_getaddrinfo.c:713:3: error:
implicit declaration of function ‘cmocka_unit_test’
[-Wimplicit-function-declaration]" should I log a bug. Seems
like it probably needs a versioned build-depends on something
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1523[10:34:55] <rjsalts> there is a menu item under actions
"Cancel pending actions"
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1524[10:35:11] <rjsalts> but no hotkey
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1525[10:35:28] <tom99> rjsalts: i wanted to mentino you were
right earlier, the debian wiki does have valid instructions for
jigdo
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1528[10:35:48] <tom99> they may be a little overly complicated
for such simple operation but they do work
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1533[10:37:19] <Ke> rjsalts: which, for some reason, did not work
for me
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1535[10:37:55] <rjsalts> I didn't notice it before. I
usually go through package by package to fix it
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1536[10:38:23] <Ke> yup, starting from 0 would have been way
easier for me
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1538[10:38:39] <Ke> task-gnome-desktop on almost empty system
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1539[10:38:58] <Ke> more new packages than the original system
size
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1540[10:40:02] <rjsalts> yep, as I suspected, needs a versioned
build depends on libcmocka-dev. Should I report it?
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1547[10:43:36] <shtrb> how can I setup left click and drag on a
touchpad - I was able to do tap and drag for the window but I need
something like when you click on the left mouse button to select
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1550[10:46:04] <tom99> sorry if this is an off topic question
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1551[10:46:14] <tom99> but if I want to install different
versions of emacs on my wheezy or debian boxes
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1552[10:46:27] <tom99> can I do that with a chroot or do I need
to use the --configure options?
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1554[10:47:09] <tom99> I have emacs23 and on my wheezy box here
that's messed up and there's no way i can see to download
the el source files. So I downloaded emacs-23.1.tar.gz instead
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1564[10:48:57] <TomTomTosch> dunno, if it's the same system
as before you might not be able to install anything. but
wheezy-backports has emacs24
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1569[10:50:32] <TomTomTosch> ... and emacs24-el for that matter.
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1576[10:55:43] <tom99> hmm, I could try that
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1594[11:04:02] <tom99> ok i changed the line in my
/etc/apt/sources.list that was "testing main contrib
non-free" to "wheezy-backports main contrib non-free"
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1595[11:04:26] <tom99> then ran apt-get update. it wouldn't
do it at first but when I used the commandline option -t
wheezy-backports it did seem to work
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1597[11:04:43] <TomTomTosch> you are going to have a bad time.
also you need the wheezy main repo for backports to work.
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1600[11:05:48] <TomTomTosch> -t wheezy-backports only makes sense
when you install something from w-b
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1602[11:05:56] <tigryss> hi
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1606[11:06:32] <tigryss> i have a trouble with my sound device
under jessie
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1609[11:07:08] <tigryss> aplay -l
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1610[11:07:08] <tigryss> **** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices
****
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1611[11:07:08] <tigryss> aplay: device_list:289:
snd_ctl_pcm_next_device
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1614[11:07:26] <tigryss> there is no sound
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1615[11:07:46] <babilen> tom99: You really don't require
wheezy-backports if you are tracking testing
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1616[11:08:00] <tigryss> and if i try to start alsa
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1617[11:08:06] <tigryss> command not found
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1618[11:08:18] <tom99> babilen: i don't know what i'm
doing on this box, i'm going to reinstall and maybe have a few
different debians. a jessie and a testing or sid maybe
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1619[11:08:18] <babilen> dpkg: alsa checklist
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1620[11:08:18] <dpkg> 1) add yourself to the 'audio'
group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/
alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if
available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4)
speakers on? 5) does "aplay
/usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any
installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also
<list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
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1621[11:08:19] <tigryss> can someone help me please
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1622[11:09:04] <babilen> tom99: Why don't you start with
jessie and install some newer packages from jessie-backports as a
start? That would allow you to learn before making the jump (if
necessary) to a testing/unstable mix.
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1624[11:09:27] <babilen> tom99: I can strongly recommend reading
replaced-url
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1629[11:11:14] <tom99> babilen: i'm not sure i follow, what
will I gain in terms of experience from installing jessie backports?
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1632[11:11:51] <babilen> tom99: The experience to run a stable
system with backports
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1638[11:15:25] <iKarith> Figured out why X was shutting down when
my monitor was disconnected. LightDM was killing it, seeing an
"error" that the monitor went away.
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1639[11:15:38] <iKarith> It can be told not to do that. I have
done so.
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1651[11:22:53] <tom99> lol weird
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1652[11:23:04] <tom99> now I have emacs23 and emacs24 on my
system side by side. o_O
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1655[11:24:05] <babilen> tom99: yes .. that is, well, not
something you want.
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1660[11:25:43] <tom99> it's not?
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1662[11:25:52] <tom99> i mean i can run them and they both seem
fine
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1669[11:32:42] <TomTomTosch> the el stuff installed too?
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1672[11:34:54] <JyZyXEL> how do you mount a USB mp3 player on
debian?
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1673[11:35:04] <JyZyXEL> i plug it in and i get this in dmesg:
replaced-url
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1675[11:35:16] <JyZyXEL> i don't understand how to mount it
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1681[11:38:15] <Storfiskaren> JyZyXEL: you don't understand
mounting at all, or you don't understand how to mount the
usb-device?
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1683[11:38:40] <JyZyXEL> i don't understand how to mount
this particular device
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1684[11:38:43] <Storfiskaren> JyZyXEL: running "fdisk
-l" as root will display the partitions of all devices
connected
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1687[11:39:14] <JyZyXEL> i don't see the mp3 player on that
list
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1688[11:39:24] <tom99> TomTomTosch: I think so, let me check
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1690[11:39:38] <Storfiskaren> JyZyXEL: what does
"lsusb" report?
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1691[11:39:40] <meowschwitz> JyZyXEL: it doesn't set up the
USB link correctly and resets it
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1692[11:39:43] <meowschwitz> JyZyXEL: try another port
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1693[11:39:53] <meowschwitz> or cable..
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1694[11:39:58] <JyZyXEL> Bus 002 Device 025: ID 041e:4117
Creative Technology, Ltd Nomad MuVo TX
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1695[11:40:10] <JyZyXEL> i did try multiple different ports
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1696[11:40:32] <tom99> TomTomTosch, yes it installed after I
added the backports repo and disabled testing
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1697[11:40:41] <meowschwitz> JyZyXEL:
replaced-url
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1698[11:40:49] <tom99> it's a bunch of files in
/usr/share/emacs/24.4/lisp/X
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1699[11:40:50] <meowschwitz> this is how my player looks like in
dmesg
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1700[11:40:57] <JyZyXEL> well mine looks a lot different
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1701[11:41:26] <tom99> for example X = language/lao.el.gz
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1703[11:41:43] <meowschwitz> JyZyXEL: yes, the scsi driver
isn't poked for some reason
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1704[11:41:52] <meowschwitz> therefore no device created, not
mountable
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1705[11:41:59] <meowschwitz> what kernel is this?
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1706[11:42:05] <tom99> or X = vc/ediff-help.el.gz
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1707[11:42:19] <JyZyXEL> well why not?
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1708[11:42:45] <JyZyXEL> it clearly says it detects it as a USB
Mass Storage device
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1710[11:44:42] * meowschwitz shrugs
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1711[11:44:48] <meowschwitz> do you have libmtp installed?
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1715[11:48:24] <JyZyXEL> meowschwitz: yeah
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1716[11:48:34] <JyZyXEL> both libmtp-common and libmtp-runtime
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1717[11:49:05] <JyZyXEL> though i don't even know if MTP
existed back when this device was made 10-15 years ago
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1718[11:49:05] <Slashman> hello, stupid question, I suppose this
crontab syntax is correct : "15 2-22,0 * * * command"? I
never tried hyphen and comma on the same field
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1722[11:50:42] <bazhang> ,v gmtp
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1723[11:50:42] <judd> Package: gmtp on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.3.3-1;
jessie: 1.3.7-1; jessie-backports: 1.3.9-2~bpo8+1; sid: 1.3.10-1;
stretch: 1.3.10-1
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1725[11:50:53] <bazhang> that works with many such devices
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1727[11:51:19] <bazhang> but then again, so does rhythmbox
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1728[11:51:31] <han-solo> Slashman: yeah
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1729[11:51:33] <han-solo> although "man 5 crontab"
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1732[11:52:01] <han-solo> don't know about ','
though
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1733[11:52:02] <JyZyXEL> i think its a mass storage device rather
than a MTP device?
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1740[11:52:41] <bazhang> which exact device is this
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1742[11:53:26] <Slashman> han-solo: I don't see any example
combining hyphen and comma, I guess I'll have to test it
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1743[11:54:05] <han-solo> TIAS
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1744[11:54:35] <Disaster> hey guys. can anybody help with apt-get
autoremove? It wants to remove my custom kernel but it's markes
as APT::NeverAutoRemove so it shouldn't. I'm running
jessie. Details:
replaced-url
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1756[12:04:44] <medmed> can someone explain to what
grub_platform=xxen do?
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1759[12:07:03] <evilman_work> medmed: negotiation of running
under xen hypervisor (the host is a xen virtual machine).
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1761[12:07:03] <meowschwitz> JyZyXEL: remove it and see what
happens
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1763[12:07:20] <SwedeMike> medmed: it seems to stop offering to
boot a xen hypervisor kernel if grub is being run in a Xen client.
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1769[12:09:08] <SwedeMike> medmed: also inserts some xen modules
which I guess are for console IO under xen.
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1770[12:09:26] <medmed> evilman_work, right so on my single
non-virt box it would never trigger right. I started looking into it
bc. i noticed kvm was activated pr. default. I can remove all that
stuff if im running on a single box w/o virt right?
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1775[12:10:25] <evilman_work> medmed: yep.
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1780[12:11:09] <medmed> evilman_work, SwedeMike ok thank you!
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1825[12:38:43] <fiveflowerzz> Hi!
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1826[12:39:22] <fiveflowerzz> I use "tar jtvf
blah.tar.bz2" to list all files in an archive
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1827[12:39:23] <fiveflowerzz> How to list them sorted by size?
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1828[12:39:23] <fiveflowerzz> Or
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1829[12:39:27] <fiveflowerzz> List only files bigger than 10 MB?
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1839[12:45:55] <umbaman> Hi.. I want to grep into a folder to
find a string in a file... how can I format the commmand?
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1843[12:48:36] <teraflops> I think if you type literally that
question in Google you get useful stuff including examples
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1844[12:49:13] <petn-randall> umbaman: grep -r
"yourstring" .
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1937[13:40:15] <guiniol> hey guys, where can I find a list of the
base packages explicitely installed by debian when I first install
it? I need to set them as explicitely installed on my VPS. Not sure
how it was installed, but when attempting to remove one package and
its dependencies, it's trying to remove half of the system
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1948[13:46:00] <maxcell_> #fedora
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1949[13:46:15] <ksk> guiniol: apt would not do that without a
good reason.
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1950[13:46:41] <ksk> guiniol: could you nopaste your command and
the output you get?
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1951[13:46:49] <ksk> !tell guiniol about paste
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1952[13:47:05] <guiniol> ksk: I got a preinstall VPS server, I do
not know how it was installed, but I do believe I should be able to
'apt autoremove gcc-6-base' without removing most of my
system
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1953[13:47:22] <ksk> why the .. autoremove? just use remove
please
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1954[13:47:44] <guiniol> ksk: to remove unneeded dependencies too
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1955[13:47:46] <guiniol> no?
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1956[13:47:49] <ksk> autoremove is a seperate action for apt, it
removes all packages that are not needed
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1958[13:48:22] <guiniol> ksk:
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1959[13:48:38] <guiniol> so, how do I remove gcc-6-base and its
dependencies
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1960[13:48:46] <guiniol> and when should I use autoremove?
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1961[13:50:15] <lowin> Does apt generally restart services when
upgrading or should that be done manually?
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1962[13:50:37] <ksk> lowin: the packages do restart the service
they ship
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1964[13:50:57] <ksk> but I dont really know if thats always the
case
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1965[13:51:02] <ksk> guiniol: no paste or no help..
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1966[13:51:10] <ksk> oh..
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1967[13:51:13] <lowin> ksk, ah so it's a maintainer thing
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1968[13:51:14] <guiniol> ^^
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1970[13:51:55] <guiniol> ksk: and to be clear, if I only do
'apt autoremove' then there is no unneeded packages
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1972[13:52:27] <ksk> does not really look good the output :>
what does an "aptitude why gcc-6-base" say?
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1973[13:54:15] <guiniol> yes, I def don't want to uninstall
all taht
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1974[13:55:07] <guiniol> 'aptitude why gcc-6-base:
libstdc++6 Depends gcc-6-base (= 6.2.0-3)'
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1975[13:55:08] <cruncher> guiniol, as ksk already said, you
should not use autoremove
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1976[13:55:14] <guiniol> I guess I can't remove that
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1977[13:55:25] <guiniol> cruncher: ok, but what should I use to
remove unused dependencies?
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1978[13:56:04] <guiniol> tbh, 'apt remove gcc-6-base'
gives the exact same output
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1979[13:56:05] <cruncher> if you do apt-get autoremove
gcc-6-base, it will do basically a 'apt-get remove
gcc-6-base' AND after that a 'apt-get autoremove'
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1981[13:56:19] <cruncher> thats why it will remove so many
(important) things
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1982[13:56:19] <lkeijser> hi, I need to mirror an ubuntu
repository, including all versions for the packages. I have a list
of packages, so I don't need to mirror _all_ packages. What
tool can I best use for this?
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1983[13:56:56] <guiniol> cruncher: so I should be using
autoremove, simply not to target gcc-6-base
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1984[13:57:11] <cruncher> in your case, or the one., or the other
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1985[13:57:58] <guiniol> gcc-6-base doesn't include gcc, so
I should be fine
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1987[13:58:03] <guiniol> I didn't want gcc to be installed
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1990[13:59:12] <cruncher> gcc-6-base is not really gcc, just some
base files
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1991[13:59:57] <guiniol> apparently, yes
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1992[13:59:59] <cruncher> can you paste the output of apt-get
remove gcc-6-base
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1994[14:00:29] <guiniol> it's the same as for autoremove, or
close enough
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1997[14:00:54] <guiniol> let me just finish the update and
I'll have a paste
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1998[14:02:30] <debkad> for user in irc_users; do echo hello
$user and welcome to debian; done
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1999[14:03:26] <han-solo> what?
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2001[14:04:08] <cruncher> and guiniol, this is a debian stablel
channel.. why do you have gcc-6 anyway?
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2004[14:04:37] <jason3> hi
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2005[14:04:43] <debkad> hi
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2006[14:05:12] <ksk> just wanted to ask him for a cat
/etc/debian_version :P
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2007[14:05:31] <cruncher> :)
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2009[14:05:46] <debkad> i have gcc (Debian 6.1.1-11) 6.1.1
20160802
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2010[14:06:05] <jason3> is there a way to temporarely tell
networkmanager to not touch the interfaces? i would like to work
with a router via ethernet, but still use the internet via the wlan
connection - which is using my normal router. so everybody i attack
my laptop to the new router via cable networkmanager changes the
default gateway to the cable connection
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2012[14:06:34] <cruncher> guiniol, we would need to see now your
/etc/apt/sources.list to help/guide you further
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2013[14:07:25] <guiniol> cruncher, ksk: here is the output of
'apt remove gcc-6-base'
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2014[14:07:31] <guiniol> I didn't realise this was a stable
only
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2015[14:07:42] <guiniol> I made the mistake of installing an
unstable
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2017[14:08:04] <debkad> mine is a backport
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2018[14:08:16] <guiniol> so I'm configuring everything, and
then I'll do it again on a clean stable install
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2019[14:08:17] <cruncher> guiniol, if you have unstable then you
should go to #debian-next on OFTC server
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2020[14:08:18] <ksk> debian 6.x is not really unstable, but
oldoldstable?
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2021[14:08:38] <cruncher> guiniol, if you want stable, yes
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2022[14:09:03] <guiniol> okay, but my question was generic
enough, and is solved now, but I'll keep it in mind for next
time
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2025[14:09:48] <debkad> cruncher, i have a backport, is that irc
to me too?
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2027[14:10:33] <cruncher> debkad, no, if you dont have
testing/unstable this is the right channel (for the moment ;-))
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2029[14:10:44] <debkad> oh thanks
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2030[14:10:51] <cruncher> as i dont know if there is a special
channel for old*stable
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2032[14:11:22] <guiniol> cruncher, ksk: other than that, I
didn't change my sources.list, so it should be the default
unstable one
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2038[14:13:16] <cruncher> guiniol, you said 'here is the
output of 'apt remove gcc-6-base' ... stil lwaiting for it
;-)
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2039[14:13:46] <cruncher> but wait, i think you really should
move the the unstable channel i mentioned earlier
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2040[14:14:00] <guiniol> cruncher: sorry, here it is
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2041[14:14:07] <guiniol> and yes, I'll move
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2042[14:14:15] <guiniol> but for now, you guys have solved my
problem
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2043[14:14:38] <guiniol> which was that gcc-6-base is required by
libstdc++ so really should not be removed
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2044[14:14:51] <guiniol> so, ksk, cruncher, thank you very
much'
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2045[14:15:34] <cruncher> no problem
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2052[14:20:13] <iamawesome> Hi,
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2053[14:20:39] <iamawesome> Is there any website where i can find
a list of necessary/essential/important packages to install?
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2055[14:21:14] <gosul33t> iamawesome, you can look through the
debian's handbook
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2056[14:21:15] <iamawesome> Important system package and
development packages
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2057[14:21:18] <maxcell_> Xinput doesn't show "Device
Accel Constant Deceleration" how can i increase the
sensitivity?
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2059[14:21:37] <ksk> iamawesome: aptitude search
'?essential'; also google has lots of hits on that..
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2068[14:24:59] <iamawesome> ksk, What does '?essential'
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2070[14:25:22] <ksk> you asked how to get a list of essential
packages!?
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2074[14:26:07] <iamawesome> ksk, Yes, i got a list, and all of
those are installed
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2078[14:26:17] <iamawesome> But how did it get that list?
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2080[14:26:46] <ksk> the packages have a state, and you listed
all packages with state essential (its not named state but something
else)
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2081[14:27:17] <ksk> iamawesome:
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2083[14:27:32] <iamawesome> Ok, thank you all.
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2158[15:05:32] <gribouille> hi
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2164[15:07:06] <gribouille> I have a set of source packages with
build dependencies among them. how can I do to build them all in
order?
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2175[15:08:41] <sunkan> Seems ntlm_auth from samba winbind
package is broken since some update in Jessie. My question is if
there's somewhere I can find older compiled packages to try out
(even if they contain known security issues)?
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2187[15:13:04] <cruncher> sunkan, if you are looking for older
debian packages go to snapshot.debian.org
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2194[15:16:01] <sunkan> cruncher: Thanks! I should have
remembered that, was trying archive and did not search for the right
thing since I did not find it I guess.
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2200[15:17:46] <Sayona> Hello :)
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2202[15:18:16] <gribouille> I have a set of source packages with
build dependencies among them. how can I do to build them all in
order?
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2205[15:19:02] <Sayona> Question, I try to sort folders ....
using du -lh | sort -nr , but give me wrong:
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2212[15:22:26] <Iridos> Sayona, sort -h
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2213[15:22:43] <Sayona> Iridos, nop
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2214[15:22:44] <Sayona> 8.5G ./2016-09-21
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2215[15:22:44] <Sayona> 8.6G ./2016-09-01
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2216[15:22:55] <Sayona> 01 need to be first
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2217[15:22:59] <Iridos> that's correct, it sorted sizes
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2218[15:23:10] <Sayona> s/first/frist
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2219[15:23:21] <Sayona> I want to be folder-name
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2220[15:23:37] <Iridos> | sorte -k2,2
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2221[15:23:45] <Iridos> sort
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2222[15:24:15] <Sayona> thanks :*
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2224[15:24:52] <Sayona> Iridos, but 2,2 what mean?
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2228[15:25:53] <Iridos> man sort /-k
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2231[15:26:11] <Iridos> mmh, that's actually not so great
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2234[15:26:33] <Iridos> info sort ctrl-s -k POS
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2237[15:26:54] <Iridos> or search for --key
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2239[15:26:54] <themill> -h is probably worthwhile too
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2242[15:27:14] <Iridos> if you scroll up a little, that
wasn't what he wanted
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2245[15:27:38] <jelly> they seemed to want one thing at first,
then another later
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2247[15:28:02] <Sayona> thanks Iridos
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2248[15:28:03] <jelly> when one does du one usually wants to sort
by, y'know, disk usage
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2251[15:28:14] <Sayona> i reak, key
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2252[15:28:19] <Sayona> s/reak/read
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2257[15:29:43] <jelly> but I can also see how many gigabytes or
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2259[15:30:20] <Sayona> jelly, not display the same your command,
the sort is not the same :D
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2260[15:31:39] <jelly> Sayona: I didn't say it was the same,
I said it's useful enough for me
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2261[15:31:48] <Sayona> :P
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2318[15:48:52] <neoclust> hi maybe a stupid question but i do
package for a wheezy and i don't want to have files in
pyshared, i only want to have /usr/lib/.... . Is there a way to
disable the use of pyshared symlinks ?
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2323[15:50:27] <jelly> ksk: debian has a bit of infrastructure do
make ca cert bundles available for openssl, nss and java
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2324[15:50:44] <ksk> ah okay.
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2325[15:51:10] <jelly> or was it openssl and gnutls and nss
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2332[15:51:53] <themill> neoclust: no
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2335[15:53:10] <neoclust> themill: oh ok , i need to have a
python file with an execution bit it is OK in /usr/lib but when it
is "translated in pyshared" the new file in
/usr/share/pyshared/ look this +x
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2336[15:53:15] <neoclust> themill: this is "normal" ?
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2338[15:53:46] <themill> real commands and real output would be
better than descriptions
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2340[15:55:10] <Psy-Q> so you think if it's in the java
keystore, tomcat (from package, not installed from a zip) would pick
that up?
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2343[15:55:48] <jelly> dunno, my tomcats some from a tarball
:'(
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2344[15:55:51] <jelly> come*
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2348[15:57:43] <neoclust> themill:
debian/tmp/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/pulse_xmpp_agent/launcher.py
is 755, and when i build the deb i have: # ls -l
/usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/pulse_xmpp_agent/launcher.py
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2349[15:57:47] <neoclust> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 55 sept. 20
10:54 /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/pulse_xmpp_agent/launcher.py
-> ../../../../share/pyshared/pulse_xmpp_agent/launcher.py
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2351[15:58:07] <neoclust> and
/usr/share/pyshared/pulse_xmpp_agent/launcher.py is 644
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2358[16:00:01] <themill> neoclust: how are you building this
package? and what version of dh-python are you using? (Also, a
module *should* be 0644 not 0755)
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2382[16:10:42] <wewlad> hello debs, I forgot everything. I need
to configure apache, I opened their docs but their docs have
different paths than the ones used in Debian. I've located
apachectl binary, but I can't locate 'httpd.conf'
file. 'whereis httpd.conf' yields 'httpd:' and
'find / -iname 'httpd.conf' yielded nothing.
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2384[16:11:23] <meowschwitz> wewlad: /etc/apache2
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2386[16:11:42] <themill> You probably want a directory within
that
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2387[16:11:43] <meowschwitz> there's no httpd whatever,
httpd is H convention
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2388[16:12:02] <greycat> Debian calls the program
/usr/sbin/apache2
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2389[16:12:05] <wewlad> meowschwitz: thanks, turns out it's
apache2.conf
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2390[16:12:09] <jelly> wewlad: rea this first: zless
/usr/share/doc/apache2/README.Debian.gz
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2391[16:12:23] <wewlad> jelly: thanks
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2395[16:14:01] <themill> wewlad: you probably don't want to
touch apache2.conf
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2396[16:14:29] <wewlad> themill: why?
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2397[16:14:38] <themill> [00:12] <jelly> wewlad: rea this
first: zless /usr/share/doc/apache2/README.Debian.gz
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2398[16:14:42] <wewlad> oh
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2399[16:14:59] <jelly> d
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2401[16:15:28] <jhutchins> Some of us remember apache 1.4 and
monolithic configurations.
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2405[16:16:38] <jelly> debian had sites-{avaialable,enabled} at
1.4 time
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2412[16:17:33] <jelly> or was it 1.3
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2414[16:17:50] <jelly> I don't remember apache 1.4
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2417[16:18:28] <themill> FTR
replaced-url
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2420[16:19:20] <wewlad>
replaced-url
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2428[16:22:20] <wewlad> themill: what's that?
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2429[16:22:49] <wewlad> README.Debian there doesn't match
/usr/share/doc/apache2/README.Debian.gz
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2432[16:24:10] <greycat> I'd trust Debian's own
documentation over Apache's when it comes to describing
Debian's changes to Apache.
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2435[16:25:00] <jelly> wewlad: looks pretty matching to me.
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2445[16:27:13] <themill> might need to define "there"
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2447[16:27:54] <jelly> it's different because the file is
compressed these days?
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2449[16:28:20] <themill> I suspect there is a comparison between
1.3 and 2.4 being made
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2450[16:28:28] <Slashman> han-solo: about the crontab syntax
"15 2-22,0 * * * command" (with comma and hyphen on the
same field), I tested it and it works as expected
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2452[16:29:24] <greycat> With the usual caveats about daylight
savings time.
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2453[16:29:30] <han-solo> Slashman: great!
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2454[16:29:44] <jelly> "2:15 never happened!"
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2455[16:29:49] <greycat> Right. That one.
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2456[16:30:04] <greycat> And the other one, "It happened
twice!"
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2457[16:30:11] <themill> ♩♫ Let's do the time warp again
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2459[16:30:56] <han-solo> never heard that song, or is it a song?
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2460[16:31:06] <jelly> if the user wants to "run on *:15
except 1:15 because backups or some stuff," then it's fine
I guess
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2461[16:31:24] <greycat> han-solo: it's from Rocky Horror
Picture Show. Really, really, *really* well known.
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2462[16:31:37] * themill apologies for the earworm
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2496[16:42:53] <wewlad> did I get it right that using
'/etc/init.d/apache2 restart' is more preferred over
'apachectl restart'?
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2497[16:43:44] <greycat> If you're on wheezy, I suppose...
otherwise I'd say systemctl restart apache2 is preferred over
both.
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2498[16:44:00] <wewlad> I'm on 8.5
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2500[16:44:16] <greycat> You'll want to start getting used
to systemctl.
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2501[16:44:24] <han-solo> actually, i guess systemctl is more
preferred
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2502[16:44:30] <han-solo> ah
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2505[16:45:32] <themill> also, it's time to install some
updates.
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2526[16:49:57] <jer0me> hey there, where would I find
wpa_supplicant logs when using wicd? For some reasons, I can't
connect to some open AP.
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2528[16:50:06] <jer0me> (broadcom chip)
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2530[16:50:28] <medmed> most flexible email client for debian?
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2531[16:50:28] <somiaj> I think the logs are all put into
wicd's logs. Have you check those?
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2532[16:50:55] <greycat> medmed: I use mutt. I don't know
what you mean by "flexible" though.
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2535[16:51:22] <jer0me> somiaj: hmm I just found that all the
dhclient related logs go to daemon.log
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2536[16:51:25] <somiaj> medmed: mutt? For graphical email clients
there are icedove (thunderbird) and evolution
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2539[16:52:45] <medmed> well i want something that is easy to
work with. i need all profile and data on a usb stick that can be
opened and used on various os'es and boxes w/o config every
time.
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2540[16:53:46] <medmed> im using thunderbird atm. but i feel like
every single config takes forever and the doc sucks.
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2544[16:54:27] <themill> if you don't want to spend time
configuring it, then an inflexible client would be better...
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2545[16:54:32] <medmed> greycat, i would love to use mutt but im
afraid it will have too much a productivity impact. im not leet ^^
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2548[16:55:01] <greycat> Try it and see.
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2550[16:55:10] <medmed> themill, guess your right - but i still
want it to be able to do stuff
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2551[16:56:00] <medmed> greycat, mbe i will. right now gtg eat
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2553[16:57:00] <wewlad> I am confused between the apache-apache
and debian-apache docs again: 'apachectl -M' doesn't
work for me, it says: "Configuration error: No MPM
loaded.". A guy from #httpd says I need to just enable MPM
module and linked to this page:
replaced-url
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2555[16:58:30] <wewlad> 1. Does the system support threads? 2.
Does the system support thread-safe polling (Specifically, the
kqueue and epoll functions)?
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2558[16:58:47] <wewlad> y,y or y,n?
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2561[16:59:42] <queso> What's the right way to install a
package without having its daemon(s) start? (Using Jessie.)
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2562[16:59:52] <greycat> queso: Debian does not offer that
option.
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2565[17:00:22] <jelly> !policy-rc.d
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2566[17:00:22] <dpkg> [policy-rc.d] a mechanism to limit what
init scripts are run by maintainer scripts. See
replaced-url
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2567[17:00:37] <jelly> queso: ^^ probably the sanest workaround
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2569[17:01:02] <queso> I found `RUNLEVEL=1 apt-get install ...`
in some Google results.
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2572[17:01:32] <queso> greycat: jelly: Thanks, guys.
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2575[17:01:58] <wewlad> so I tried to enable a MPM module
'event' and got 'ERROR: Module event does not
exist!'
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2577[17:02:03] <jelly> wewlad: install it.
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2579[17:02:18] <jelly> wewlad: apt-cache search apache mpm
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2583[17:02:47] <jelly> wewlad: which debian release are you on?
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2584[17:02:57] <wewlad> latest available
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2585[17:03:02] <wewlad> 8.5 afair
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2586[17:03:14] <jelly> wewlad: do you have apache2 package
installed?
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2588[17:03:18] <wewlad> yes
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2590[17:03:22] <wewlad> and it worked before
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2594[17:03:29] <wewlad> weird that now it doesn't :(
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2601[17:05:38] <wewlad> turns out I needed not to enable, but to
load the module
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2605[17:06:42] <jelly> oh right, in debian 8 you don't even
have to install it separately
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2607[17:07:26] <pkug> hi, a quick package management question, i
have installed a bunch of dependencies for the package i don't
need anymore.. i have this list but removing some of the packages
from that set will break another ones, is it possible to apt-get
remove pkg1 pkg2 pkg3 .. and ignore (don't remove) those pkgX
that are dependencies of other packages not listed there?
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2608[17:07:37] <wewlad> just for the dumbos like me: did I get it
right that whenever I need to edit a vhost - I edit the one in
/sites-available, not /sites-enabled, right?
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2612[17:08:09] <greycat> pkug: just use dpkg --remove instead of
apt-get remove
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2616[17:08:23] <babilen> wewlad: That's correct - you
typically have symlinks from enabled to available
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2617[17:08:24] <greycat> It'll happily error out on the
packages that are needed as dependencies.
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2618[17:08:36] <wewlad> babilen: thanks
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2619[17:08:37] <pkug> greycat: amazing, thanks!
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2626[17:09:59] <babilen> wewlad: You might want to read
/usr/share/doc/apache*/README.Debian.gz
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2632[17:11:09] <TBoy> hey guys, I think this is just a config
thing, but on boot my debian install boots an x session an tty1 and
tty2 and I would like to start only one
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2634[17:11:19] <wewlad> babilen: I did
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2635[17:11:27] <babilen> Ah, great :)
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2644[17:14:38] <wewlad> when loading a module one needs to
specify path to its file, but /etc/apache2/mods-available/ contains
pairs of files: one ends with .conf and the other one with .load. So
what path should I specify?
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2646[17:15:34] <wewlad> (I have 2 guesses: 1. .load (because we
load a module, lol) 2. omit the dot and it's end part, just use
'mpm_event')
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2649[17:16:02] <greycat> arc3:/etc/apache2$ grep load *.conf
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2650[17:16:02] <greycat> apache2.conf:# | |-- *.load
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2651[17:16:02] <greycat> apache2.conf:IncludeOptional
mods-enabled/*.load
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2652[17:16:26] <dontknow> hey. firefox in debian backport
doesn't have -disable-eme
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2654[17:16:39] <wewlad> greycat: what was that?
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2656[17:16:44] <babilen> wewlad: Are you using a2enmod ?
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2657[17:16:50] <wewlad> babilen: no
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2658[17:17:03] <babilen> Why not?
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2659[17:17:11] <wewlad> babilen: because I need to load a mod,
not enable it.
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2660[17:17:13] <greycat> wewlad: It was a paste of a command and
its output from one of my boxes that is running jessie and apache2.
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2663[17:17:39] <wewlad> greycat: I got it, I meant 'what did
you mean to say by that paste?'.
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2665[17:18:05] <greycat> wewlad: It appears to load
mods-enabled/*.load so just *having* the symlink there should do it,
yes?
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2666[17:18:35] <hanshenrik_> any guide on creating a
pre-configured netboot installer? that don't require any user
interaction, and sets up partitions/users & passwords / services
(like ssh)/ etc without any user interaction?
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2667[17:18:42] <babilen> wewlad: So you want to load a disabled
module? What's the exact difference? If you use a2enmod
it'll create suitable symlinks (again, much like a2ensite)
which will cause the server to load those modules
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2668[17:18:47] <hanshenrik_> to anyone booting from it~
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2672[17:18:58] <babilen> wewlad: Hence the
"mods-enabled/*.load
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2678[17:20:03] <wewlad> oh, seems like I got confused between
what I heard by the master of apache on #httpd and how debian
rehashed the controls over apache
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2680[17:20:12] <babilen> This allows you to disable/enable vhost
and modules with a2ensite/a2dissite and a2enmod/a2dismod
respectively. Wasn't that dicussed in the README.Debian I
mentioned earlier?
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2681[17:20:16] <wewlad> I probably need just 'a2enmod
mpm_event'
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2682[17:20:26] <babilen> (usage of those commands was why I
recommended reading it)
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2685[17:20:52] <wewlad> babilen: 'load' and
'enable' are different words.
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2686[17:21:15] <babilen> wewlad: Well, there isn't really a
difference. Everything they tell you still works, it's just
that Debian ships some convienience configuration and tools to work
with it
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2687[17:21:16] <wewlad> I tried 'a2ednmod event' and
got an error saying there's no such a module.
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2689[17:21:36] <wewlad> but it turned out that this is because
the module in debian has a different name: mpm_event
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2690[17:21:56] <babilen> wewlad: They are indeed different words,
but loading a disabled module is not very intuitive, is it?
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2691[17:22:07] <wewlad> so debian not only uses its own scripts,
but its own terminology and module names
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2693[17:22:15] <babilen> Tab completion should work for those
IIRC
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2694[17:22:34] <wewlad> no
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2695[17:22:41] <graytron> hanshenrik_:
replaced-url
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2696[17:23:01] <hanshenrik_> yes it does, thanks!
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2697[17:23:08] <babilen> wewlad: Well, then peak into
modules_available :)
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2699[17:23:29] <wewlad> babilen: it's not a problem now that
I already figured those things out.
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2701[17:24:35] <wewlad> if 'systemctl apache2 restart'
is preferred - then why does the output of a2(dis|en)mod suggest to
use 'service apache2 restart' instead?
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2702[17:24:42] <babilen> wewlad: Debian ships quite an
opinionated apache package (which I grew to love), but people in
#httpd don't want to wrap their head around it even though you
could, obviously, create the same configuration with vanilla apache
also
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2704[17:24:59] <greycat> because a2enmod was written by apache,
not by debian
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2705[17:25:05] <babilen> wewlad: Both will do exactly the same
thing
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2706[17:25:15] <greycat> And it was probably written *for* red
hatters.
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2707[17:25:19] <wewlad> babilen: people on #httpd call debian a
distro with broken scripts.
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2708[17:25:24] <babilen> greycat: It was?
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2709[17:25:29] <greycat> Wasn't it?
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2710[17:25:43] <jelly> I've only seen in on Debian
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2711[17:25:44] <zoeurk> hello systemd version 231-7 doesn't
reboot or shutdown correctly: sometime I need to shutdown with the
power button
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2712[17:25:50] <greycat> Ah, sorry. My mistake.
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2713[17:25:58] <babilen> I thought it's a Debianism and one
of the reasons why #httpd calls Debian "a distro with broken
scripts"
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2714[17:26:00] <wewlad> greycat: but debian ships a 'quite
an opinionated apache package' - couldn't they change that
too?
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2716[17:26:08] <jelly> perhaps RHEL has adopted it, like they did
with alternatives
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2717[17:26:11] <greycat> See, this is why I just stopped trying
to apache. Switching my priavate server over to nginx was the best
thing ever.
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2718[17:26:24] <babilen> +1
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2720[17:26:30] <babilen> Absolutely .. nginx every day
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2722[17:26:38] <jelly> greycat: at least the config is more
readable and saner
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2724[17:27:03] <jelly> but configuring apache is already a sunk
cost for me
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2725[17:27:05] <greycat> Granted, if you don't know some
perl and regex, nginx could have quite a steep learning curve.
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2726[17:27:10] <wewlad> apache is popular, all the solutions for
it are already available in internets. + my hoster uses apache,
can't choose ngingx
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2727[17:27:26] <jelly> greycat: mod_rewrite would have made me
learn regex anyway
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2728[17:27:27] <babilen> wewlad: You can, naturally, still do
everything manually and just because Debian ships four scripts that
create symlinks which tie into a corresponding load
foo-enabled/*.conf there is no reason to call it broken
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2729[17:27:28] <wewlad> +afaiu nginx doesn't run well with
wordpress
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2731[17:27:40] <zoeurk> I hope to help the project debian
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2732[17:27:42] <zoeurk> bye
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2734[17:27:57] <babilen> wewlad: Not sure why they don't
like to wrap their head around it .. it's really not that crazy
and actually rather nice to use
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2737[17:28:51] <wewlad> ask them, they seem to always have a good
reason for everything they say (talking about 'thumbs' guy
from #httpd in particular)
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2738[17:29:24] <jmcnaught> apache2 on jessie also has a2enconf
and a2disconf
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2743[17:30:03] <jelly> wewlad: #httpd sometimes has interesting
opinions about debian that do not always apply to current release
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2746[17:30:23] <babilen> Just as #ruby :)
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2749[17:30:30] <jelly> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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2751[17:31:11] <babilen> Well, I like the
foo-{available,enabled}, .d and many other Debianisms, but not
everybody has to
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2752[17:31:23] <greycat> #bash is happy that Debian finally
stopped compiling out the /dev/tcp/ feature in bash.
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2753[17:31:39] <babilen> Hooray! Peace treaties all around :)
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2757[17:32:12] <jelly> if someone chooses to use bash they should
be able to suffer all of it
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2758[17:32:23] <greycat> (On the other hand, Debian still
compiles in /etc/bash.bashrc but almost every Linux distributor does
that, with varying filenames, so it's kind of a battle we
choose not to fight.)
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2762[17:33:47] <wewlad> systemctl apache2 restart > systemctl
restart apache2
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2767[17:35:34] <babilen> One works, the other doesn't
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2769[17:36:23] <greycat> I'm hoping the > sign was meant
as something other than "is greater than".
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2770[17:37:10] <babilen> systemctl wants restart first, so the
first command wouldn't work
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2772[17:37:40] <greycat> Which is why the second command is the
greater one.
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2773[17:38:04] <babilen> Indeed :)
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2774[17:38:19] <jelly> wewlad: you can still use the
"service" command if you prefer the old syntax
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2775[17:38:27] <babilen> Maybe wewlad meant to write
"service apache2 restart > systemctl restart apache2"
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2777[17:38:55] <greycat> Maybe he meant s/systemctl apache2
restart/systemctl restart apache2/
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2778[17:39:00] <jelly> focus on the service, not the action to be
done with it
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2782[17:39:20] <jelly> a troll could argue systemctl is so
self-centered!
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2783[17:39:44] <babilen> It allows for better
currying/schönfinkelisation ...
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2784[17:39:49] <babilen> Anyway ..
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2786[17:40:06] <greycat> You don't write "git filename
add", now do you.
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2787[17:40:36] <greycat> Verbs should appear before objects in
unix commands.
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2788[17:40:55] <jelly> the service is the SUBJECT :->
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2789[17:41:04] <croddy> systemctl is the subject.
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2795[17:41:43] <croddy> i think subject-object-verb is more
popular overall, but subject-verb-object is definitely up there.
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2799[17:42:22] <greycat> The service command probably uses the
syntax that it does, because it mimics "/etc/init.d/svcname
action"
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2800[17:43:06] <th0r> croddy, oh yes...."the man the ball
catches" is definitely more popular
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2801[17:43:18] <croddy> well, not in english, obviously.
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2802[17:43:18] <greycat> Gotta catch them all.
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2807[17:45:09] <th0r> greycat, haven't you been
watching...."Gotta them all catch"!
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2831[17:53:44] <jhutchins> wewlad: Interesting, I recently saw a
howto that recommended nginx for wordpress because it's a
lighter resource footprint than apache.
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2835[17:55:18] <greycat> Most likely the instructions you've
been reading are all written for apache2, so you would simply need
different instructions if you switch web server.
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2836[17:55:37] <greycat> It's not a trivial thing to switch.
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2843[17:57:21] <frankk> I installed debian-base distribution of
linux on a gpt partitioned disk. I am trying to install grub on a
usb disk using apt-get install --reinstall grub-efi. I am receiving
this error message : GUID Partition Table Header signature is wrong.
How do I fix this ?
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2852[17:59:39] <deego> I think the topic could be upgraded.. 8.6
is out.
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2853[17:59:41] <jelly> frankk: hmm, maybe run gdisk or parted on
that disk and force it to write the partition table again?
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2854[18:00:00] <jelly> deego: are the .iso images out yet?
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released! /msg dpkg jessie ; /msg dpkg wheezy->jessie ; /msg dpkg
install jessie | current point releases: /msg dpkg 8.6; /msg dpkg
7.11 | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg paste | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic:
#debian-offtopic | testing/unstable: #debian-next (irc.oftc.net) |
chanlogs: /msg dpkg irclog'
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2860[18:01:00] <deego> jelly: no clue :)
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2862[18:01:22] <JordiGH> Hm, I think I need a newer nodejs on
Debian stable. What are my options?
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2863[18:01:33] <JordiGH> 0.10 is too old
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2866[18:01:47] <greycat> ,v nodejs
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2867[18:01:48] <judd> Package: nodejs on amd64 --
wheezy-backports: 0.10.29~dfsg-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 0.10.29~dfsg-2;
stretch: 4.3.1~dfsg-3; sid: 4.4.7~dfsg-2+b1; experimental:
6.0.0~dfsg-1
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2868[18:01:52] <JordiGH> And 6.0.0 is in experimental. Is that
because it really is experimental or because we're in a slushy
state?
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2870[18:02:34] * JordiGH doesn't like how "experimental"
sometimes means experimental and sometimes means "ftpmasters
won't let us upload to unstable as usual because we're in
a freeze and we can't really branch off".
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2872[18:02:48] <greycat> Stretch is *not* frozen yet.
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2874[18:03:16] <hanshenrik_> what kernel will it use?
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2875[18:03:31] <greycat>
replaced-url
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2878[18:03:54] <jelly> hanshenrik_: maybe 4.9
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2879[18:03:55] <greycat> I'm not sure what a transition
freeze is, but that's scheduled for Nov 5.
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2880[18:03:58] <jelly> maybe cake
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2881[18:04:10] <hanshenrik_> and maybe nobody knows because
it's not decided yet?
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2884[18:04:32] <hanshenrik_> i vote for cake, though
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2885[18:04:55] <greycat> ,i cake
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2886[18:04:56] <judd> No package named 'cake' was found
in jessie/amd64.
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2887[18:05:03] <hanshenrik_> :(
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2888[18:05:12] <jelly> hanshenrik_: it has to be a longterm
branch, for one thing
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2889[18:05:41] <hanshenrik_> obviously. funfact, ubuntu once
chose a non-longterm kernel for a lts release
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2890[18:05:51] <hanshenrik_> dont recall which 1
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2892[18:05:58] <JordiGH> I can't imagine a ssb would work...
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2893[18:06:09] <JordiGH> Since it would already be in backports
if it did.
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2895[18:06:39] <jelly> JordiGH: well things in experinmental are
there because the maintainers _know_ they're broken
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2896[18:06:54] <JordiGH> jelly: Except during slushy phase.
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2897[18:06:55] <jelly> the nature of breakage varies
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2898[18:07:13] <hanshenrik_> i thought it was more like
"they don't know for sure that it's stable"
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2900[18:07:20] <jelly> JordiGH: yeah I consider that silly
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2901[18:07:20] <JordiGH> Let me try a ssb...
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2904[18:07:52] <jelly> but backports won't normally even
consider something that's not in testing
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2906[18:08:05] <JordiGH> jelly: Why can't they fork off a
next-release or freeze branch and keep the meaning of unstable and
experimental as usual?
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2907[18:08:17] <jelly> JordiGH: "sid non sid"
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2911[18:08:57] <jelly> JordiGH: so I hear you're
volunteering to figure out the workflows and infra changes to make
that work!
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2912[18:09:06] <jelly> "they", heh
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2928[18:13:40] <habs> I'm running jessie on mipsel and
trying to install python-scipy via apt-get but I get this message:
"libstdc++6 : Breaks: python-scipy (<= 0.14.1-1) but
0.14.0-2 is to be installed". Why would those two packages
conflict, and how can I resolve it?
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2930[18:14:03] <abrotman> habs: have you done an apt-get update
lately?
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2931[18:14:13] <jelly> dpkg, tell habs about basic apt
troubleshooting
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2934[18:14:31] <JordiGH> Hm, if I want to backport, can I just
add deb-src lines to my sources.list? I don't need the deb
lines, right?
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2935[18:14:46] <habs> abrotman: Yes, I do it almost every day
(including today). I also apt-get upgraded.
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2936[18:14:50] <jelly> JordiGH: correct
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2938[18:15:14] <greycat> JordiGH: see also /msg dpkg simple sid
backport
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2939[18:15:17] <habs> jelly: Thanks, I'll do that
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2940[18:15:46] <hiya> if I try to install a package using dpkg -i
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2943[18:15:56] <hiya> and if it says a lot of packages are
missing and need to be installed
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2944[18:16:07] <greycat> Often "apt-get -f install"
will work.
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2945[18:16:07] <hiya> which command do I use with aptitude to
install them?
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2946[18:16:08] <debkad> is
replaced-url
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2947[18:16:08] * jelly expected someone talking about a ssb to know
about that factoid
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2948[18:16:21] <JordiGH> greycat: Yeah, I know about ssb.
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2949[18:16:35] <JordiGH> I just wanted to double-check.
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2950[18:16:50] <greycat> The factoid answers your question, so I
assumed you hadn't read it.
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2951[18:16:57] <jelly> JordiGH: sometimes you need to add a deb
line... for release-backports
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2952[18:17:06] <debkad> allo
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2953[18:17:23] <jelly> because sometimes you need a build-dep
from there
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2955[18:17:35] <debkad> firefox-esr : An error occurred during a
connection to
replaced-url
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2959[18:18:12] <jelly> debkad: OCSP is sometimes unreliable, with
different sites
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2961[18:18:20] <JordiGH> greycat: Just not recently.
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2962[18:19:01] <debkad> jelly, firefox don't let me access
that site, when i used chrome before i was able to access it
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2967[18:19:45] <jelly> debkad: you can use the non-https URL in
the meantime?
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2969[18:19:51] <jelly> debkad:
replaced-url
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2970[18:20:11] <debkad> ah i can access that one
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2973[18:21:05] <debkad> so i must change all https to http to be
able to access them?
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2975[18:21:27] <jelly> wfm from here with firefox 45.3 and 45.4
(albeit mozilla's build), so I assume it's OCSP
that's problematic
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2977[18:22:06] <habs> jelly: abrotman: Here are the logs: Output
of "sudo apt-get install python-scipy":
replaced-url
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2979[18:22:42] <jelly> debkad: OCSP is meant to enable additional
verification of SSL certificates for
replaced-url
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2981[18:23:37] <debkad> jelly, ok thanks
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2982[18:23:51] <jelly> habs: you have a newer libstdc++6:
Installed: 5.3.1-4 than what's available in ANY repo for jessie
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2983[18:24:00] <jelly> !frankendebian
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2984[18:24:01] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random
repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and
derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone
can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and
#debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can
convince ##linux to help.
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2986[18:24:17] <jelly> okay, that's maybe too much
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2988[18:24:51] * jelly doesn't remember the right factoid for
"don't mix stable with testing or unstable"
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2990[18:25:11] <jhutchins> !frankendebian
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2991[18:25:11] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random
repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and
derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone
can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and
#debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can
convince ##linux to help.
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2992[18:25:23] <jelly> yes, I just did that.
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2993[18:25:27] <teraflops> heh
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2994[18:25:27] <jhutchins> jelly: That one?
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2995[18:25:32] <jelly> no, not that one.
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2996[18:25:36] <debkad> o_o
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2998[18:26:52] <JordiGH> How should I tag my ssb? I like to give
to put something like "jordigh" in the version number to
remind myself which packages I ssb'ed myself.
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3000[18:27:25] <JordiGH> But +jordigh at the end of the version
isn't right. Should it be ~jordigh? I want my package to get
automatically replaced by a newer version should it become
available.
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3001[18:27:31] <jelly> habs: do a "sudo aptitude -s install
libstdc++6=4.9.2-10", and you'll figure out what you
installed to get that newer stdc++ when aptitude tries to remove it
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3003[18:27:54] <jelly> JordiGH: I append ~jelly.1 on mine
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3004[18:27:59] <JordiGH> Thanks.
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3009[18:28:58] <habs> jelly: Ah, OK. The full story behind this
machine is I'm using a debian sid installation from several
years ago that I tried to convert to jessie repositories yesterday,
because back when it was last updated, sid was jessie. But I guess
it leaves a lot of holes
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3013[18:29:39] <jelly> habs: you managed to install stuff from a
recent sid, at some point in time after jessie got releaseed
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3016[18:29:56] <eagle> hi
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3018[18:30:07] <Guest49378> hloo
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3025[18:33:05] <Guest49378> my nicknamme eagle
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3027[18:33:20] <Guest49378> how are you
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3028[18:33:23] <Guest49378> ?
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3030[18:33:49] <Guest49378> ?
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3031[18:33:58] <jelly> habs: you might want to try /msg dpkg
partial downgrade
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3034[18:34:07] <JordiGH> jelly: Why does Emacs highlight the
~jordigh.1 version differently?
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3035[18:34:10] <JordiGH> In the changelog.
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3039[18:34:39] <Guest49378> ?
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3041[18:34:40] <Guest49378> ?
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3042[18:34:42] <Guest49378> ?
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3043[18:35:00] <^v> mehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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3044[18:35:03] <JordiGH> Guest49378: Do something only a human
would do.
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3045[18:35:03] <^v>
replaced-url
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3047[18:35:12] <jelly> Guest49378: hi, this is a tech support
channel. Maybe join ##chat or #debian-offtopic if you want to chat
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3050[18:35:39] <JordiGH> jelly: It applied
"debian-changelog-warning-face" to it.
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3051[18:35:49] <JordiGH> Is ~jordigh.1 malformed?
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3053[18:36:01] <jelly> JordiGH: I'm emacs-agnostic, sorry
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3054[18:36:27] <JordiGH> Yeah, but the version number might be
wrong. What does Ubuntu? ~ubuntu-1, right?
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3055[18:36:28] <jelly> it's exactly as malformed as
jessie-backports stuff with ~bpo8+1 is
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3056[18:36:35] <JordiGH> not ~ubuntu.1
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3058[18:36:48] <^v> MATE is completely broken due to the GTK 3.0
update, where can i complain
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3059[18:37:12] <jelly> ^v: are you using testing?
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3060[18:37:16] <Guest49378> i want help for you gusyyyy
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3061[18:37:16] <JordiGH> Well, a "+" has a different
meaning than ".", so it's not the same kind of
broken.
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3062[18:37:17] <^v> sid, yes
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3064[18:37:58] <jelly> ^v: breakage is expected in sid, and
judging by the rants on planet.debian.org bugs have probably been
filed
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3065[18:38:09] <zykotick9> ^v: i think testing/sid "is
broken" complaints go to /dev/null
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3066[18:38:12] <jelly> ^v: so check the BTS and file bugs if
there aren't
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3067[18:38:13] <debkad> esting/unstable: #debian-next
(irc.oftc.net)
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3068[18:38:28] <debkad> s/esting/testing
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3069[18:38:34] <wewlad> how am I supposed to add new sites to
apache conf? manually, right?
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3071[18:39:01] <jelly> ^v: Thank you for testing that stuff so
users of upcoming release don't have to deal with it.
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3072[18:39:36] <stew> wewlad: drop a file in
/etc/apache2/sites-available/ and then enable it with a2ensite
sitename
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3077[18:40:07] <^v> jelly, eh, im doing it because its less of a
hastle than jessie + sid repos to get the updated stuff i need
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3078[18:40:31] <wewlad> stew: does it matter how I name it?
default one is named 000-default.conf
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3079[18:41:07] <^v> ill attempt to downgrade via aptitude
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3080[18:41:09] <greycat> In apache 2.4 the files MUST end with
.conf
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3081[18:41:20] <wewlad> yeah, but what about 000- part?
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3082[18:41:27] <jelly> ^v: breakage is _normal_ for sid
regardless of the misguided reason you chose to pick it.
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3083[18:41:39] <wewlad> it kind of pushes to name the new sites
as 001-site.conf etc
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3084[18:41:56] <jelly> wewlad: no, 000 is there just to ensure
which site is first in line
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3085[18:42:07] <wewlad> oh
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3087[18:42:31] <^v> (i assume) this is the update that killed my
family and made me watch, literally hitler himself, he also broke my
coffee mug, that was my favorite :( : libgtk-3-0:amd64 (3.20.9-1,
3.21.5-3)
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3090[18:42:43] <wewlad> doesn't underscore symbol have lower
index than a 0?
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3093[18:43:01] <jelly> ^v: I'm invoking Godwin's law on
your ass
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3095[18:43:48] <jelly> ^v: use moderate language and ask in the
right place, that is
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3096[18:43:53] <jelly> !debian-next
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3097[18:43:53] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for
testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not*
on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is
invite only)." it means you did not read it's on
irc.oftc.net.
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3106[18:49:56] <Guest49378> hi
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3125[18:56:17] <dontknow> babilen, unquiet me
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3139[19:02:07] <jelly> dontknow: you're not quieted. Now
what?
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3142[19:02:29] <dontknow> in #debian-offtopic?
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3144[19:03:01] <dontknow> whatever topic changed anyway
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3146[19:03:35] <dontknow> islam is a harmful religion
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3150[19:04:18] <arora> STFU
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3159[19:06:42] <Arone> <xxx555>
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3160[19:06:42] <Arone> <xxx555>
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3161[19:06:42] <Arone> <xxx555>
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3162[19:06:42] <Arone> <xxx555>
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3163[19:06:42] <Arone> <xxx555>
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3166[19:06:52] <Arone> ousp
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3167[19:06:53] <Arone> :d
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3188[19:11:00] <unborn> !ops Arone spam
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3189[19:11:00] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH,
mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel,
zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: unborn complains
about: Arone spam
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3199[19:13:36] <debkad> i begin to hate firefox
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3200[19:13:45] <babilen> How come?
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3201[19:13:55] <babilen> (and what can we do to help?)
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3203[19:14:05] <debkad> i can't access many site web using
https thingy
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3205[19:14:40] <spaceone> how can i install a package and
don't automatically install all the dependencies of it?
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3207[19:14:56] <spaceone> (only for a testing purpose, not to be
meant for production use)
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3208[19:14:56] <greycat> spaceone: download the .deb and install
it with dpkg -i --force-depends
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3209[19:15:05] <spaceone> ok
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3211[19:15:26] <greycat> debkad: such as?
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3212[19:15:38] <babilen> spaceone: You can't, that's
why they are dependencies. One way would be to manually install it
with dpkg ... but that would then leave the packaging system in an
inconsistent state
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3213[19:15:56] <babilen> eh, late
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3215[19:16:20] <debkad> greycat, some emails, want to create any
one to be able to make another gmail account without a need for
phone number ( hotmail ...etc )
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3216[19:16:31] <greycat> I see zero clickable https URLs.
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3217[19:16:34] <spaceone> babilen: yes, that is what i want. an
inconsisten state!
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3219[19:16:49] <babilen> spaceone: Out of curiosity: Why?
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3221[19:18:05] <spaceone> babilen: to reproduce bugs in customer
environments
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3223[19:18:32] <spaceone> where are the packages stored with
'apt-get download'? i can't find them in
var/cache/apt/archives/
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3224[19:18:48] <greycat> it's "apt-get install
--download-only"
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3225[19:19:03] <spaceone> ah, it was stored in .
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3226[19:19:15] <debkad> greycat,
replaced-url
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3228[19:19:41] <spaceone> hm, --force-depends doesn't let me
install the package
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3229[19:19:47] <greycat> Huh. Didn't know about
"apt-get download", and it turns out it's even
present in wheezy.
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3230[19:19:59] <greycat> spaceone: read the error, see what else
you need to force
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3232[19:20:19] <greycat> debkad: It opens for me. I get a
"Sign in" page.
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3233[19:20:40] <debkad> greycat, mine is firefox-esr
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3234[19:20:44] <greycat> Jessie, firefox-esr 45.3.0esr-1~deb8u1
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3235[19:20:57] <debkad> don't know if that an firefox or
something else
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3237[19:21:07] <greycat> (I was redirected to
replaced-url
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3243[19:22:04] <debkad> mine 45.3.0esr-1
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3245[19:22:18] <greycat> Probably truncated by dpkg -l because
you didn't remember to pipe it to cat.
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3246[19:22:43] <debkad> if i remove 's' from htmls it
redirect me but after that i can't access that link
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3248[19:22:55] <greycat> Someone who knows more about firefox and
SSL will probably have to help here. I don't know much.
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3252[19:23:11] <debkad> ii firefox-esr 45.3.0esr-1
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3253[19:23:26] <debkad> ok thanks
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3255[19:23:38] <debkad> , i will try chrome or chromium anyway
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3256[19:23:39] <judd> No package named 'will' was found
in jessie/amd64.
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3260[19:24:01] <debkad> is a bot
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3262[19:24:12] <greycat> Leading comma is judd's trigger.
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3263[19:24:22] <debkad> i see
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3264[19:24:27] <spaceone> okay got it, with --ignore-depends=...
multiple times and --force-depends
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3318[19:46:13] <talis> who is playing with my time? Trying to use
ntpd but the time keeps drifting away and journalctl reports
"systemd: Time has been changed". Any ideas who the
culprit may be?
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3320[19:46:55] <jelly> talis: physical or virtual system?
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3323[19:47:15] <jelly> talis: which debian release?
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3324[19:47:26] <talis> jelly: bare metal laptop. Jessie.
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3326[19:47:48] <beastwick> talis: are you dual booting?
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3327[19:47:48] <petn-randall> talis: Do you have ntpdate
installed?
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3328[19:47:58] <petn-randall> good point, beastwick.
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3329[19:48:24] <talis> petn-randall: ntpdate is installed.
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3330[19:48:43] <talis> beastwick: single booting.
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3336[19:51:07] <Arone> a
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3337[19:51:18] <talis> petn-randall: could you elaborate on why
ntpdate might be relevant?
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3342[19:52:38] <jelly> talis: dpkg -L ntpdate to see it has hooks
to run on, for example, every time a network interface is configured
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3343[19:53:12] <d3lphi> hi all. When I "touch
/forcefsck" will that check ALL my harddisks that I mounted
through /etc/fstab ? I want to manually enforce a filesystem check
and repair. I had defective sectors on minimum one disk.
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3345[19:54:15] <greycat> d3lphi: only in wheezy and only the root
file system, I think
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3348[19:55:14] <d3lphi> greycat: I supposed so. because I already
tried and the reboot finished abnormal too fast :) the data disk is
about 1tb
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3350[19:55:39] <d3lphi> I suppose it didnt check my data
disk...hmmm
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3352[19:55:51] <greycat> For the non-root file systems, you can
boot in single user mode and check them by hand.
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3353[19:56:37] <d3lphi> greycat: need to find out what the
appropriate boot command for a Citrix Xenserver VM is first...
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3360[19:57:20] <greycat> And if it's jessie, then /forcefsck
doesn't do anything anyway.
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3362[19:58:06] <d3lphi> greycat: oh ok, didn't know.
forcefsck is not used anymore in >=Jessie ?
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3384[20:04:26] <talis> jelly: quite correct, ntpdate runs on
interface change. I've purged it and restarted ntpd. I'll
let it settle for a bit and report back.
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3387[20:04:55] <petn-randall> talis: I was guessing ntpdate might
skip the clock a little back or forth when it comes up.
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3389[20:05:31] <jelly> and confuse any running ntpd
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3391[20:05:40] <jelly> (even if it's written by same people)
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3392[20:05:55] <petn-randall> yep :)
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3394[20:07:20] <jelly> talis: if it's a laptop and it's
not on 24/7 it might be worth exploring other ntp services that are
better suited for intermittent connectivity, like chrony
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3396[20:07:54] <talis> oh, ntpdate is thoroughly derided by the
ntp folks. It just happened to have a useful feature - reporting how
far my clock had drifted from a known good source. (It's hard
to do this in sub-two second range using a wallclock.) You'll
note I installed ntpdate after I detected the problem, so I'm
not convinced it was the culprit....
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3397[20:08:01] <jelly> next week or so, because ntpd takes its
days to become stable :-)
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3400[20:08:11] <debkad> ntp running here, i was surprising that
my date+time was totally false ( 1 day in advance and 00:00 )
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3402[20:08:45] <jelly> debkad: if it's still wrong, paste
the output of "date --utc"
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3403[20:09:00] <greycat> Traditionally we needed ntpdate to shove
the clock to approximately the right time at boot, and then ntpd to
keep it there.
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3404[20:09:12] <greycat> ntpdate was never intended to be run
more than once per boot
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3405[20:09:23] <debkad> jelly, i fixed it by: date -s
"month" and then date -s "hh:mm"
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3407[20:10:07] <debkad> i prefer local time my self but i seem
can't right now
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3409[20:10:42] <petn-randall> debkad: Does it blink
'00:00' like a freshly plugged in microwave?
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3410[20:10:44] <greycat> /usr/share/doc/ntpdate/README.Debian is
also interesting.
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3412[20:11:02] <debkad> petn-randall, didn't see it but may
be
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3413[20:11:51] <Guest49378> 10.
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3414[20:12:00] <debkad> there is no such file
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3415[20:12:15] <greycat> well, there is for me because I have
that package installed
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3419[20:12:43] <debkad> i have this one
/usr/share/doc/ntp/README.Debian.gz
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3423[20:13:08] <sl4v3> galeido: strange... they didn't need
to be indented when they were part of a role task...
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3424[20:13:24] <sl4v3> ah. wtf. wrong channel. wrong nick.
everything. just wrong.
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3428[20:14:41] <debkad> if it will happen to be a wrong time/date
again i will purge ntp as i did in my other linux
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3432[20:16:08] <jelly> debkad: sometimes the clock is correct but
date shows local time for a different timezone than you're
expecting
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3438[20:16:33] <jelly> this can be detected with --utc
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3440[20:17:04] <debkad> jelly, as i check the clock from my
desktop ( conky for example ) it must be local in my case
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