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• 2[00:00:30] <Urk> Got bumped again.
• 3[00:01:10] <Mister00X> Urk: Ctrl + Alt +F7 I think
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• 5[00:01:31] <n4dir> F1 now, is what i think
• 6[00:01:59] <Mister00X> hmmm also possible
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• 10[00:03:55] <jhutchins> echelon: The install guide is pretty helpful:
• 11[00:03:58] <jhutchins> !ig
• 12[00:03:58] <dpkg> The Installation Guide for Debian 10 "Buster" can be found at replaced-url
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• 18[00:05:00] <rander2> hello all
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• 20[00:05:37] <Urk> Jmcnaught: Any idea why my system wont boot?
• 21[00:06:05] <rander2> how may I mount a ntfs partition in rw mode ?
• 22[00:06:08] <jhutchins> Urk: We told you, it's booting it's just not starting X because of the lock file, which you have to be root to delete.
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• 24[00:06:20] <jhutchins> !ntfsrw
• 25[00:06:20] <dpkg> NTFS-3G is a userspace driver providing NTFS read and write support. "aptitude install ntfs-3g". Usage examples: replaced-url
• 26[00:06:39] <Urk> Im at root, but not sure what to enter
• 27[00:07:18] <jhutchins> Urk: You need to be the root user. Log in (to the console) as root, or use su - or sudo.
• 28[00:07:29] <rander2> I mount
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• 32[00:08:57] <rander2> I mounted a ntfs partiton by click on the desktop, but it's read only
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• 34[00:09:17] <Urk> Jhutchins: i get no sych file or directory when trying to delete /tmp/.XO-lock
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• 38[00:09:31] <rander2> I try to change parmissions wirh chmod 777 -R * , but don't go
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• 42[00:11:03] <jhutchins> Urk: Then try deleting the file, and make sure it's gone.
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• 45[00:11:14] <jhutchins> YOU HAVE TO DO IT AS ROOT
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• 47[00:11:44] <jhutchins> rander2: Right, NTFS permissions, not *nix.
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• 49[00:11:57] <jhutchins> rander2: I'm afraid I don't have a system to test on.
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• 51[00:12:47] <jhutchins> Urk: If you're not going to respond I'm going to let the cat have the lap space.
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• 53[00:13:18] <Urk> Im trting to look up the syntax. My man page wasnt coming up.
• 54[00:13:44] <rander2> I do it as root, but don't go. I think depend from mounting permission mode
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• 66[00:23:35] <Urk51> Jhutchins: I sesrched for the file with the find command, and its definitely there, but I still get an error message indicating no such file or directory when trying to delete still get an error when trying to delete a file, and it says no such file or directory.
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• 74[00:29:59] <salamitactics> you keep typing XO. It's X0
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• 80[00:33:25] <rander2> hi
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• 88[00:38:19] <salamitactics> rander2, you need to install ntfs-3g. the in-kernel driver doesn't support writing by default.
• 89[00:38:49] <rander2> is it a kernel module ?
• 90[00:39:03] <salamitactics> no it's through fuse
• 91[00:39:15] <jhutchins> rander2: It's a seperate package.
• 92[00:39:21] <salamitactics> the package is just called ntfs-3g
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• 94[00:41:11] <Sora> when will the debian installer stop being terrible?
• 95[00:41:24] <Sora> it soft locks if the internet isn't available when you try to install packages from a mirror
• 96[00:41:29] <Sora> seriously wtf
• 97[00:41:49] <salamitactics> when you write a new one and get it accepted into debian as default
• 98[00:42:21] <Sora> 2nd time i have to fully restart the installation because i put the wrong nameserver
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• 105[00:44:59] <jhutchins> So it's not the installer that's terrible, it's the person running the installer.
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• 107[00:46:41] <rander2> jhutchins, it's installed
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• 156[01:27:13] <Urk13> Can someone remind me as to what the command is for getting back to the gui from the command line?
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• 158[01:27:39] <beelzebuzz> ////exit
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• 160[01:29:04] <Urk13> Ctel, Alt, F*?
• 161[01:29:16] <n4dir> try ctl+alt+F1
• 162[01:29:37] <Urk13> Found it it is Ctrl, Alt F7
• 163[01:29:39] <n4dir> as not using a display-manager at all, i am not too sure how to do it in general
• 164[01:31:08] <n4dir> else i would say: startx too. But better wait
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• 168[01:34:05] <Urk13> I deleted the temp file, but still cant bootup.
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• 173[01:38:00] <Urk13> Keyboard has quit working. Im going to tey to back up my files from the command line. Things dont look healthy.
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• 186[01:45:12] <Urk13> nrdir: ls no longer pulls up a list of directories at the command line since deleting the /tmp directory. Any idea what Im doing wrong?
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• 195[01:49:42] <Urk13> jcnaught: since deleting /tmp ls no longer brings up directories. Any idea what is goi g on? I was going to do a backup from the command line, and this is what I find.
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• 197[01:51:11] <sney> Urk13: when you want to get someone's attention, it helps to spell their nick correctly. anyway, if you have deleted a bunch of system files and your OS is misbehaving, you should boot from a livecd to back up your data and then you can start over
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• 202[01:52:56] <Urk13> Dont have a live cd. It was stolen in Nov. I only deleted one directory /tmp, and nothing more.
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• 206[01:53:52] <sney> did you delete the contents of /tmp or the whole directory?
• 207[01:54:25] <Urk13> Well everything came back and I have no explanation. But deleting the lock file is still an issue.
• 208[01:55:44] <sney> well, I wasn't here for any of that other stuff, I guess if n4dir or jmcnaught were helping you before, they may still have follow up
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• 210[01:56:05] <salamitactics> didn't we already identify the problem is that you have two display manager services running?
• 211[01:56:06] <salamitactics> try this:
• 212[01:56:10] <salamitactics> sudo systemctl disable lxdm
• 213[01:56:13] <salamitactics> and reboot
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• 219[02:00:02] <Urk13> salamitactics: yes there are two display managers but the lock file wont deleteock file wont deleye
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• 221[02:00:27] <salamitactics> you can't have two display managers. the lock file will keep getting recreated if they are both trying to run.
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• 224[02:03:52] <Urk13> I got real problems. Mow the boot screen will not come up at all.
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• 227[02:05:51] <salamitactics> what exactly do you mean by "the boot screen". like the graphical login? because that is provided by the display manager.
• 228[02:06:02] <salamitactics> so if this other display manager (mdm) is still running you should get one.
• 229[02:06:09] <salamitactics> you can re-enable lxdm if that's what you want:
• 230[02:06:13] <salamitactics> sudo systemctl enable --now lxdm
• 231[02:06:31] <salamitactics> also it sounds like you're implying that before you did this, the system booted up to a graphical login
• 232[02:06:38] <salamitactics> in which case what exactly was the issue?
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• 240[02:13:56] <Urk13> Original issue was ab erroe message at boitup indicating X window needed to be configured, and to d
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• 242[02:14:31] <Urk13> Remove the file /tmp/.XO-lock
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• 244[02:15:21] <salamitactics> and now what does it do at bootup? boots to a text login?
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• 270[02:16:21] <Urk13> Could never get it removed, and now the noot scteen doesnt show up. At this point getting back into the command line, and setting the boot screen configuration seems reasonable.
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• 275[02:16:41] <salamitactics> you need to tell us what you mean by "boot screen".
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• 280[02:18:07] <Urk13> salamitactics: I was referring to the graphical screen where you designate which user you want to launch
• 281[02:18:54] <salamitactics> Thank you. It is the display manager
• 282[02:19:12] <jmcnaught> Urk13: that is called a Display Manager. Earlier your paste of journalctl replaced-url
• 283[02:19:22] <Urk13> Once selecting the user then Im prompted for the password.
• 284[02:20:20] <jmcnaught> Urk13: my suggestion then was to disable the mdm service so that only one of them is running, but I doubt that you're using Debian, so you should probably head to the channel for your distro.
• 285[02:20:20] <n4dir> and then?
• 286[02:21:26] <Urk13> Not sure what is on here. The only thing I did is install ldmx. This is supposed to be a Debian Testing installation.
• 287[02:24:32] <n4dir> So you hit "power on" on the PC or laptop. It does boot. The boot ends with a command line based interface, TTY. You enter your username and password, and you got a command line?
• 288[02:24:36] <n4dir> Is that correct so far?
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• 290[02:25:31] <Urk13> Right now Im not getting anything
• 291[02:25:48] <salamitactics> what if you press ctrl+alt+f1
• 292[02:25:53] <Urk13> Since deleting lxdm
• 293[02:26:05] <n4dir> "not getting anything" doesn't mean anything
• 294[02:26:10] <spikeheron> Urk13: this is a ubuntu/mint installation, right?
• 295[02:27:01] <salamitactics> some distros barf all the init stuff onto a screen and then clear it and don't give a login prompt
• 296[02:27:03] <Urk13> This is a Debian installation with a custom grub, and a few other custom stuff. Laptop was given to me recently.
• 297[02:28:15] <Urk13> Everything worked before I added lxdm
• 298[02:28:20] <spikeheron> Urk13: well, you appear to be using ubuntu's packages. from your log: error resolving pool 0.ubuntu.pool.ntp.org: Temporary failure in name resolution (-3)
• 299[02:28:27] <n4dir> well: most easy solution: remove it again
• 300[02:28:39] <n4dir> best solution: reinstall
• 301[02:29:05] <spikeheron> Urk: or at least their ntp servers?
• 302[02:29:45] <Urk13> Cntl Alr F1 brought up command line
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• 304[02:30:05] <salamitactics> you can basically always use that to get a command line. something good to remember
• 305[02:30:06] <n4dir> enter username and password. Type "startx"
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• 307[02:31:25] <salamitactics> not sure what the default xinitrc will have in it though, probably everything is managed through session files for the dm
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• 309[02:31:48] <n4dir> iirc debian defaults to something even with no ~/.xinitrc in place
• 310[02:33:07] <Urk13> Desktop came back. Lost all my configuration settings.
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• 314[02:35:57] <salamitactics> did you log in as root? or as you?
• 315[02:37:46] <salamitactics> also, you didn't 'sudo startx' did you?
• 316[02:38:05] <n4dir> is that even possible?
• 317[02:38:08] <salamitactics> yeah
• 318[02:38:44] <salamitactics> I'm doing it right now actually because reasons. but like, don't.
• 319[02:39:21] <n4dir> no idea why i did it, but i sure ran startx when logged in as root, and not that long ago you couldn't do that anymore.
• 320[02:39:48] <n4dir> !bat
• 321[02:40:12] <salamitactics> I'm doing it because I'm experimenting with alternative init and session management is screwed up. Maybe systemd-logind prevents you from doing it these days, I don't know
• 322[02:40:13] <n4dir> yeah, doesn't work. But there is lots of information needed to find out what is going on with the system of Urk13
• 323[02:40:37] <n4dir> the sources.list[s] to beginn with. output of apt-cache policy
• 324[02:40:41] <n4dir> and what not
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• 326[02:41:35] <n4dir> installing lxde should not result in such problems. As far i can tell
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• 328[02:42:44] <salamitactics> I haven't used a display manager for years but I think debian used to handhold a bit when installing them, you'd have to pick one in a dpkg-reconfigure menu that would be brought up automatically upon install
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• 330[02:43:01] <salamitactics> perhaps not the case on their system for whatever reason
• 331[02:43:30] <n4dir> same here, and i assume the same (one will be the default, no problems when having several installed)
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• 333[02:43:38] <Urk13> I just restarted, and again the display manager wouldnt come up.
• 334[02:43:53] <salamitactics> use ctrl+alt+f1 again and log in
• 335[02:43:56] <salamitactics> then try to enable it:
• 336[02:43:59] <n4dir> Urk13: dpkg -l | grep lightdm ; gives what?
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• 339[02:44:50] <n4dir> or just follow salamitactics
• 340[02:45:04] <salamitactics> I was gonna wait lol
• 341[02:45:09] <salamitactics> but yeah, you can enable it like this:
• 342[02:45:14] <salamitactics> sudo systemctl enable --now lxdm
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• 344[02:47:12] <Urk13> Returns to the command line with no data.
• 345[02:47:23] <salamitactics> what does it say when you do this:
• 346[02:47:26] <salamitactics> sudo systemctl status lxdm
• 347[02:47:42] <salamitactics> look for something that says 'running' or 'failed' somewhere in there
• 348[02:47:44] <n4dir> Urk13: in general, but not always, a command just returning to the Prompt means it worked sucessfuly
• 349[02:48:02] <salamitactics> yup yup
• 350[02:48:29] <n4dir> that sure is confusing when starting with the commandline. Or was for me
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• 353[02:50:39] <Urk13> I wadnt sure what you were trying to do.
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• 357[02:50:59] <salamitactics> that's what it says?
• 358[02:51:23] <salamitactics> or you mean you aren't sure what we're trying to do now?
• 359[02:51:38] <Urk13> Si how di I get the user display menu to come back during startup?
• 360[02:51:53] <salamitactics> that's what we're trying to do by enabling the display manager again.
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• 362[02:52:16] <Urk13> Im at the command line after selecting ctrl alt F1
• 363[02:52:30] <salamitactics> good. did you run:
• 364[02:52:34] <salamitactics> sudo systemctl enable --now lxdm
• 365[02:52:35] <salamitactics> ?
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• 367[02:53:59] <Urk13> Lxdm was removed from here. Wouldnt you want to enable xfce?
• 368[02:54:19] <salamitactics> xfce is not a display manager, it's a desktop environment.
• 369[02:54:33] <salamitactics> your display manager shows you a graphical login prompt when you boot and lets you choose a desktop environment
• 370[02:55:08] <salamitactics> What you mean is that you want it to work like it did before this all started?
• 371[02:55:21] <salamitactics> In that case we will need to know what display manager you were using before this all happened.
• 372[02:56:28] <salamitactics> can you find a screenshot online of what your login used to look like? that might help. or we can feed you more commands to run, but that would take a while at this rate.
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• 381[03:01:31] <Urk13> I just ran sudo systemctl enable -- now lxdm
• 382[03:01:47] <Urk13> Should I reboot?
• 383[03:01:58] <salamitactics> there needs to not be a space between -- and now
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• 385[03:02:30] <salamitactics> but if you didn't get an error message then it probably worked so maybe you just typed it like that on your phone.
• 386[03:02:49] <salamitactics> if you press ctrl+alt+f7 does it show you the login screen now?
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• 391[03:04:07] <Urk13> An error is produced without the space. With the space there is no error.
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• 393[03:05:11] <Urk13> Ctl Alt F7 does not bring the login screen up.
• 394[03:05:21] <n4dir> try *F1 too
• 395[03:05:40] <n4dir> the * is there so i don't have to type ctl and alt, which i now did anyway ...
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• 397[03:06:15] <n4dir> F7 was the default for X for ages, now for some it seems to be F1 ; if you care for the reason
• 398[03:06:30] <Urk13> F1 does not bring up the login screen.
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• 400[03:06:43] <n4dir> systemctl status lxdm
• 401[03:06:45] <n4dir> says what?
• 402[03:06:51] <salamitactics> beat me to it lol
• 403[03:06:56] <Urk13> Ctl Alt F1 still brings up the command line
• 404[03:07:04] <n4dir> salamitactics: i am in advantage, i am hungry ...
• 405[03:07:16] <n4dir> waiting for the beans to finish
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• 407[03:07:24] <salamitactics> You're probably onto something with the lightdm earlier
• 408[03:07:29] <salamitactics> probably was what they had before
• 409[03:07:35] <n4dir> same guess here
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• 415[03:12:03] <Urk13> n4dir: After typinf systemctl status lxdm, first lunw says LXDE display manager, 2nd line says loaded and parenthesis afterwards that saysvendor preset enabled, and 3rd line says Active: inactive (dead), 4th line says Dics: man: lxdm (1).
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• 417[03:12:39] <Urk13> Sirry mt manual one fingered dexterity isnt that good
• 418[03:12:41] <n4dir> sounds to me as if it should be running, salamitactics ?
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• 421[03:12:59] <salamitactics> yeah it tried to start but failed
• 422[03:13:05] <salamitactics> probably something else already running
• 423[03:13:16] <salamitactics> but not showing anything for whatever reason
• 424[03:13:18] <n4dir> systemctl status lightdm
• 425[03:13:20] <n4dir> ?
• 426[03:13:28] <salamitactics> blank screen on tty7 could be lightdm failing to start properly
• 427[03:15:07] <salamitactics> or gdm for that matter
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• 429[03:16:19] <n4dir> if i understood correct the dpkg-reconfigure command you, salamitactics , gave above, should/could list all display managers installed
• 430[03:16:56] <salamitactics> as long as it still works like I remembered
• 431[03:16:58] <n4dir> i don't really know all. lightdm, slim, gdm, and thats about it. xdm, not sure if still existend
• 432[03:17:28] <salamitactics> sddm for kde
• 433[03:17:45] <n4dir> haven't used kde since it changed from kdm (?)
• 434[03:18:08] <salamitactics> lol
• 435[03:18:31] <n4dir> i sure would. Thing is that all apps i use are not kde. So not that much of a point.
• 436[03:18:52] <Urk13> nrdir: entering systemctl status lightdm resulted in: Line 1) lightdm.service, Line 2) Loaded: not-found (Reason: No such file or directory), Line 3) Active: inactive (dead)
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• 438[03:19:18] <salamitactics> instead of retyping you can just tell us what it says on line 3
• 439[03:19:22] <salamitactics> e.g. inactive, active, etc
• 440[03:19:28] <salamitactics> how about:
• 441[03:19:32] <salamitactics> systemctl status gdm3
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• 445[03:20:13] <n4dir> perhaps just install lightdm and be done with it, salamitactics . Many seem to use it these days. Assuming we won't hit it soon
• 446[03:20:32] <salamitactics> if gdm is currently running we need to know though
• 447[03:20:40] <salamitactics> but I guess we could trust dpkg-reconfigure to take care of that
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• 450[03:21:04] <salamitactics> also we need to not forget to disable lxdm again
• 451[03:21:11] <Urk13> How do i install lightdm?
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• 453[03:21:31] <n4dir> apt-get install lightdm; as root, or if you use sudo then with sudo
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• 481[03:22:39] <n4dir> let's hope you won't run in the same mess you came from. It shouldn't happen, imho
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• 487[03:23:32] <n4dir> at this point i would install, remove, reinstall, systemctl start/stop as if there was no tomorrow. Not much to lose
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• 492[03:26:17] <Urk13> Kiwiiec screen has become super dim
• 493[03:26:51] <salamitactics> that's something we can't help with lol
• 494[03:27:31] <Urk13> Ctl Alt F7 is still not bringing up a display manager.
• 495[03:27:49] <salamitactics> did you reboot?
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• 500[03:30:40] <Urk13> What options for reboot exist? Exit didnt do it.
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• 502[03:30:48] <salamitactics> systemctl reboot
• 503[03:31:12] <salamitactics> exit just logs you out by exiting the shell
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• 505[03:33:23] <Urk13> Just hangs at bootup.
• 506[03:33:53] <Urk13> Wont finish booting
• 507[03:34:14] <salamitactics> can you still get back to the terminal with ctrl+alt+f1?
• 508[03:35:03] <Urk13> Boorscreen sjowed up when I selected F1
• 509[03:35:41] <Urk13> It says failed to start Light Display Manager
• 510[03:36:25] <Urk13> Its still running at 4 min 25 seconds
• 511[03:36:46] <salamitactics> it will stop eventually and you'll be able to log into a tty like before
• 512[03:37:39] <salamitactics> next time you're at a terminal just uninstall these extra display managers, they're not helping
• 513[03:37:46] <salamitactics> sudo apt remove lightdm lxdm
• 514[03:37:55] <Urk13> I see that.
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• 516[03:39:03] <salamitactics> did your login screen look like this before? replaced-url
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• 526[03:47:38] <Urk> salamitatics: your URK wont open on my laptop.
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• 528[03:48:10] <Urk> Bootup is still running, and hanged at 16 min 20 sec
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• 533[03:50:28] <salamitactics> you can't get to a tty by using ctrl+alt+f2 or ctrl+alt+f3 or any other f key?
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• 535[03:52:08] <Urk> No. Its the curse.
• 536[03:52:31] <S3xyL1nux> press Esc to escape some booting process
• 537[03:52:35] <salamitactics> normally systemd doesn't wait forever for a service to start. eventually it will give up
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• 539[03:53:51] <S3xyL1nux> you can't escape kernel process though only some minimum
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• 541[03:54:11] <S3xyL1nux> like network and other stuff
• 542[03:56:13] <Urk> Now it just goes to a screen graphic for the system
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• 544[03:56:53] <salamitactics> boot to the recovery option in grub and uninstall lightdm.
• 545[03:57:06] <salamitactics> it should boot normally and give you a text login just like on tty.
• 546[03:57:19] <salamitactics> although really this should not happen.
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• 550[03:58:58] <Urk> I have never seen a system get so messed up after such benign activity. Back in a few. Im being paged.
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• 552[03:59:49] <S3xyL1nux> i got this problem once with a faulty hdd ... it was hardly spinning
• 553[03:59:53] <salamitactics> it's not particularly messed up. you can still run Xorg with startx so we know that's not a problem. but your display manager is not starting properly for some reason.
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• 555[04:00:26] <salamitactics> at this point it's mostly a matter of reading the logs for whatever your display manager is (we still don't know)
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• 558[04:01:47] <S3xyL1nux> lightdm should works fine with all cards
• 559[04:02:02] <S3xyL1nux> its something else
• 560[04:02:30] <salamitactics> not sure how long ago you tuned in but they initially installed lxde metapackage and it pulled in lxdm, seems to have interfered with whatever display manager they had before
• 561[04:02:38] <salamitactics> then installed lightdm later
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• 565[04:06:26] <Urk> Boor is still running at 34.3 minutes
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• 568[04:06:59] <Urk> Meant to type boot is still running at 35 minutes
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• 572[04:10:23] <salamitactics> like I said, restart into recovery at this point
• 573[04:10:29] <salamitactics> at grub you should have options
• 574[04:10:52] <Urk> salamitatics: should I stop the boot? Its been going 38 minutes.
• 575[04:10:57] <salamitactics> yes
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• 577[04:15:12] <Urk> How do I get into safe mode?
• 578[04:15:24] <salamitactics> did you choose it at your grub menu?
• 579[04:16:02] <Urk> It doesnt come up.
• 580[04:16:38] <salamitactics> hold down the shift key as you're booting up. it sounds like it was disabled.
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• 583[04:19:13] <Urk> Ok recovery menu has appeared
• 584[04:19:30] <salamitactics> one of them is probably "drop to shell" or something
• 585[04:19:34] <salamitactics> pick that one
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• 587[04:20:49] <Urk> I dont know the root osssword on this system Is it ok to do Cntl D?
• 588[04:21:36] <salamitactics> that might be a problem if you can't get back to tty on a normal boot.
• 589[04:22:31] <Urk> Shouldnt I be able to discover root by running fsck??
• 590[04:22:45] <salamitactics> no that's for repairing damaged filesystems
• 591[04:23:03] <Urk> I only have the user password because that is all the donor provided
• 592[04:24:00] <derpadmin> you can reset the root password I believe
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• 596[04:25:15] <Urk> derpadim: how do I reset it?
• 597[04:26:31] <derpadmin> replaced-url
• 598[04:26:40] <derpadmin> init=/bin/bash in grub
• 599[04:27:00] <salamitactics> while you're at that shell you could remove lightdm and lxdm.
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• 631[05:04:33] <Urk> Which is the last version of Debian that supports 32 bit?
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• 634[05:04:48] <salamitactics> current versions still support it.
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• 636[05:05:22] <Urk> Ok.
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• 639[05:07:08] <salamitactics> here's a link to isos for you that will contain proprietary firmware, otherwise it's likely your wifi etc. will not work out of the box
• 640[05:07:09] <salamitactics> replaced-url
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• 644[05:09:24] <JackFrost> Urk: FWIW, I use unstable on 32bit.
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• 648[05:18:16] <Urk> Salamitactics: still cant get back to the command line. Any thoughts? If Im lucky enough to get back there then I should immefiately backup data.
• 649[05:19:05] <salamitactics> yes, I agree. at this point it's easier to reinstall. I still think it's very fixable but at the speed we can communicate back and forth it would take a long time.
• 650[05:19:18] <salamitactics> boot from the livecd and copy all the files you need from your old install
• 651[05:19:51] <salamitactics> onto a separate usb stick or something
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• 654[05:22:46] <Urk> I dont have a LiveCD, and didnt bother to make one since the theft in November, but bought a Sandisk 500gb ultra fast disk.
• 655[05:23:07] <salamitactics> do you have a small (at least 4GB) usb stick lying around?
• 656[05:23:20] <salamitactics> we could do smaller but that size would be ideal.
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• 685[06:10:00] <alexrelis[m]> The recent `sudo` vulnerability really makes me begin to question if having `sudo` is a good idea.
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• 688[06:10:40] <JackFrost> Does the same apply to kernels? :3
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• 720[07:01:04] <unixbsd> hi, how to install a ftp secured drive with apt-get, and that includes the jail kit feature so that the user has no shell and is only to given $HOME directory strictly?
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• 722[07:02:15] <nkuttler> unixbsd: configure sftp?
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• 724[07:03:25] <unixbsd> with ssh
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• 727[07:04:10] <alexrelis[m]> sftp is the bees knees.
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• 862[09:40:19] <_NiC> I did an upgrade from stretch to buster yesterday, followed the guide, and all went well. However, I noticed that my 'tomcat8' packages remained, while my expectation was it would've been upgraded to tomcat9. tomcat8 isn't in the buster repos from what I can tell, so not sure why this happened. tomcat* was never part of the list of packages during 'apt-get upgrade' or 'apt full-upgrade'.
• 863[09:41:10] <_NiC> openjdk-11 was installed though, as expected, but I suspect as dependency for something else than tomcat. openjdk-8-jre-headless still remains on the server, but the default was changed to 11.
• 864[09:41:45] <_NiC> Did I miss something during the upgrade, or is there a different upgrade path for tomcat itself?
• 865[09:42:15] <jelly> ,v tomcat
• 866[09:42:31] * jelly sighs
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• 872[09:47:23] <_NiC> Not sure what that means.. :)
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• 875[09:49:52] <_NiC> Does it have anything to do with all config files etc living in directory names that includes the version, and performing upgrades with that is troublesome?
• 876[09:50:23] <Haohmaru> ,v tomcat
• 877[09:50:24] <judd> No package named 'tomcat' was found in amd64.
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• 881[09:51:56] <_NiC> Yeah, there's no virtual/meta package for tomcat from what I can tell, if that's what the ,v is for
• 882[09:52:32] <Haohmaru> ",v" is a command for the bot ^
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• 886[09:58:14] <_NiC> Unfortunately the bot is as clueless as I am then.. :>
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• 895[10:01:58] <JackFrost> ,v tomcat9
• 896[10:01:59] <judd> Package: tomcat9 on amd64 -- stretch-backports: 9.0.16-4~bpo9+1; buster: 9.0.31-1~deb10u2; buster-proposed-updates: 9.0.31-1~deb10u3; buster-security: 9.0.31-1~deb10u3; buster-backports: 9.0.39-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 9.0.41-1; sid: 9.0.41-1
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• 905[10:08:51] <jelly> then there's no metapackage to pull in the latest
• 906[10:09:28] <_NiC> Yep, which means no upgrade path, right?
• 907[10:09:39] <jelly> right, afaict
• 908[10:09:43] <_NiC> So my best option would be to remove tomcat8 and install tomcat9, redeploy my apps+
• 909[10:09:46] <_NiC> ?
• 910[10:10:02] <jelly> perhaps you don't have to remove it, but I honestly don't know
• 911[10:10:35] <_NiC> They can probably live side by side, if I wanted to, yeah.
• 912[10:10:36] <jelly> we use upstream tarballs for tomcat at work, and custom init scripts / systemd units with java-service-wrapper
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• 914[10:11:01] <jelly> no idea what kind of infrastructure debian packaging sets up
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• 916[10:11:31] <_NiC> I see that in stretch, there's a 'tomcat8' user and group, while in buster, they're called just tomcat
• 917[10:11:54] <_NiC> That shouldn't matter for this though, since the paths are separate anyway.
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• 920[10:12:54] <ratrace> simlar things happened to php on stretch->buster upgraes. old packages remained and services failed to (re)start until the packages were manually removed, and services reconfigured for new config paths (the directories are versioned)
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• 926[10:16:33] <_NiC> This server has php as well, the new 7.3 versions were installed, but the old ones I had to remove afterwards (with autoremove though).
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• 931[10:21:13] <_NiC> Only issue I can see is that my tomcat8 and tomcat9 would try to listen on the same port.. :-)
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• 936[10:25:28] <ratrace> well, makes sense :)
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• 942[10:30:44] <dob1> if I take an hdd from a debian installation (inte nuc) and I put in another one (same intel nuc just different processor) it has to work or there is something about UEFI boot do do?
• 943[10:31:02] <dob1> becasue I am unable to boot it
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• 947[10:37:42] <dob1> it's always difficult these things...
• 948[10:37:44] <_NiC> Sounds to me like it should just work
• 949[10:37:57] <dob1> it doesn't...
• 950[10:38:00] <_NiC> the drive you're moving has a boot loader etc on it, right?
• 951[10:38:14] <dob1> I has grub installed
• 952[10:38:17] <dob1> *it
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• 954[10:40:55] <ratrace> which NUC? Those things have atoms inside, amirite?
• 955[10:41:13] <ratrace> ie. is it possible one is x86 and another is, say, ARM?
• 956[10:42:01] <_NiC> The boot loader should still work though.
• 957[10:42:21] <_NiC> Oh, no info on where the booting actually fails. That'd be nice info to have.
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• 961[10:44:39] <dob1> ratrace, NUC8i5BEH I had the i3 version of it NUC8i3BEH
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• 963[10:47:20] <ratrace> yeah, both are x86. no idea then
• 964[10:47:35] <dob1> ratrace, do I have to reinstall grub?
• 965[10:48:56] <ratrace> I doubt it
• 966[10:49:18] <ratrace> is taht debian installation somethign you did, or something that came in preinstalled?
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• 970[10:54:17] <dob1> ratrace, I booted into the old one. there is a main difference: on the bios uefi boot order I see UEFI: Debian Part 0 OS Bootable into the list of selectable devices for boot. on the newer one I don't see this
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• 975[11:01:30] <_NiC> Many bioses have a setting to change between uefi boot and old style bios boot. Perhaps they're different, and your drive only works with one of them.
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• 977[11:06:01] <dob1> _NiC, I have the same settings on both of them... it just doesn't recognize this partition.. dunno why
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• 990[11:24:23] <dob1> I don't know...
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• 992[11:24:54] <ratrace> dob1: is that debian installation something you did, or something that came in preinstalled?
• 993[11:25:06] <dob1> ratrace, I just installed debian
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• 995[11:25:58] <dob1> ratrace, the strange fact is that I updated the bios and it let me browse to files, and the file browser in the bios find the uefi fat32 partition, I can see the files in it
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• 997[11:26:25] <dob1> It seems it doesn't recognize it as a bootable one
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• 1015[11:39:24] <daregap> Hey, what are some headless options on a linux host to stream video from an attached USB camera to a remote host (i.e. browser on desktop)?
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• 1017[11:39:54] <daregap> is gstreamer/python combo a good choice?
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• 1025[11:49:30] <Rico> hello. Is there a way ton install EFI boot partitions on a software raid1 volume ?
• 1026[11:49:52] <Rico> it's doable with BIOS boot, adding raid1 and md_mod in initrd
• 1027[11:50:00] <Rico> but what about UEFI boot ?
• 1028[11:50:09] <Rico> (I'm not familiar (at all) with uefi)
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• 1064[12:25:20] <dob1> I decide to reinstlal everything: does debian live cd permits ssh/rsync access?
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• 1067[12:27:06] <Miles8of9> make a bigger partition for /boot .... bullseye will ship with new kernels which are a lot bigger than 4.19
• 1068[12:27:44] <Miles8of9> i'll need to reinstall everything because my /boot partition is too small and linux can't resize partitions
• 1069[12:28:18] <Miles8of9> (i didn't choose /boot size... i accepted installer defaults)
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• 1071[12:28:46] <ratrace> installer defaults for /boot are insufficient now. bullseye's will increase that as well.
• 1072[12:29:31] <n4dir> "linux can't resize partitions" is a weird statement
• 1073[12:29:32] <Miles8of9> but you'll need to wipe everything, repartition etc etc
• 1074[12:29:44] <ratrace> btw, kernel size is insignificant, it's initrd that's relatively large
• 1075[12:30:47] <Miles8of9> n4dir, there is no disk utility, partition magic etc for linux... you have fdisk and it can't resize... you need to delete partitions and create new ones
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• 1077[12:31:23] <n4dir> for example you would have lvm.
• 1078[12:31:41] <ratrace> lvm doesn't change the fact you can't resize partitions, except the last one
• 1079[12:31:55] <ratrace> technically, you can _shrink_ any partition, but you can't enlarge any
• 1080[12:31:59] <n4dir> i seem to recall gparted can resize partitions.
• 1081[12:32:18] <ratrace> if it can, it's doing that by moving them around
• 1082[12:32:36] <ratrace> which is terribly risky thing to do, you miss offset by one byte and boom.
• 1083[12:33:20] <ratrace> and also you can't shuffle the live partitions around, you'd need to boot into another system, like a rescue or liveusb
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• 1085[12:33:32] <n4dir> sure
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• 1087[12:33:41] <Miles8of9> as i said... you can't...
• 1088[12:33:57] <Miles8of9> (resize linux partition)
• 1089[12:33:59] <n4dir> make that a "i can't", perhpas.
• 1090[12:34:08] <ratrace> for all intents and purposes, with /boot typically being first or second in the table, you generally can't resize it, no
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• 1092[12:35:03] <Miles8of9> n4dir, it's not me... it's impossible...
• 1093[12:35:13] <n4dir> then i must have done it wrong
• 1094[12:35:15] <ratrace> it's "possible" if you shuffle the bits around
• 1095[12:35:38] <ratrace> almost literally .... disk sector sokoban :)
• 1096[12:36:15] <ratrace> wanna resize partition 2? you move data of partition 3, in blocks, forward by offset the size of partition 2 resize
• 1097[12:36:34] <ratrace> starting with the last one, then you go back toward the beginning. that's... again..... literally disk sector sokoban. :)
• 1098[12:36:57] <Brigo_> gparted can resize partitions. You could resize the other partition making space for boot and then resize boot, but it is tricky, i do not recoment it.
• 1099[12:37:20] <ratrace> and instead of resizing, if you ahve space, you create new partition, at the end, for /boot and remap /boot to that
• 1100[12:37:40] <ratrace> (and make sure you zero out the old /boot partition so it doesn't confuse autodetection and os prober)
• 1101[12:37:43] <Brigo_> Miles8of9, what i will do is get rid of /boot partition at all, you don't need it.
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• 1103[12:37:58] <ratrace> except when you do need it.
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• 1105[12:38:12] <Brigo_> ratrace, give me and example, please.
• 1106[12:38:21] <ratrace> encrypted rootfs, for example, or rootfs filesystem that grub canno't access for /boot
• 1107[12:38:30] <ratrace> *can't
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• 1110[12:38:47] <Brigo_> ratrace, nice, encryption. That's it?
• 1111[12:38:56] <ratrace> and the second part of the sentence
• 1112[12:39:17] <n4dir> i could bet i just heard someone claiming no unencrypted boot is needed for encryption anymore.
• 1113[12:39:28] <Brigo_> ratrace, ok. Most likely Miles8of9 and most not power user won't need it.
• 1114[12:40:13] <ratrace> I have no idea and I don't care to ass ume.
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• 1116[12:40:38] <Miles8of9> backup everything, boot from usb, repartition and install from scratch...
• 1117[12:40:59] <ratrace> n4dir: yes, it is possible to encrypt /boot/ as well, which includes, eg., LUKS keyfile for the rootfs
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• 1119[12:42:08] <ratrace> if grub can now unencrypt _one_ partition, on which there's rootfs that also contains /boot .... I don't think so, unless there's been some update to grub code lately that I'm not aware of
• 1120[12:42:35] <n4dir> i didn't follow that closely, but was pretty astonished. Else i wouldn't even remember
• 1121[12:43:49] <ratrace> n4dir: note there's difference between encrypted /boot and encrypted rootfs that contains also /boot
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• 1123[12:44:35] <ratrace> at any rate ESP can't be encrypted. and someone earlier asked about ESP on md raid? I don't think that's possible either
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• 1137[13:02:46] <diogenes_> Oh sudo vulnerability already patched on Buster, well done!
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• 1141[13:05:17] <ecraven> hello ;) I have a debian stretch VM and a clone of it. the original has a journal (journalctl -f), but the clone only says "No journal files were found."
• 1142[13:05:22] <ecraven> How do I restart journald?
• 1143[13:05:36] <ecraven> there is no actual difference between the two systems (that I'm aware of) :-/
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• 1145[13:06:15] <ratrace> ecraven: is journald.conf configured explicitly for persistent storage, and /var/log/journal/ is missing?
• 1146[13:06:47] <ecraven> yes and yes ;)
• 1147[13:06:50] <ecraven> can
• 1148[13:07:10] <ecraven> can I remove the contents of this directory, and it'll recreate them?
• 1149[13:07:47] <ratrace> of what directory? you just said "yes" to "/var/log/journal/ is missing"
• 1150[13:08:14] <ecraven> ah, sorry, it is present (and contains the "old" files from the original)
• 1151[13:08:27] <ecraven> so "yes and no"
• 1152[13:09:05] <ratrace> right.... wel.... I don't know what will happen if you try to remove that directory while journald is running and you can't shut it down. I suppose try it, and it if something borks, you can always reboot
• 1153[13:09:17] <ecraven> can I restart journald?
• 1154[13:09:43] <ratrace> yes, but I don't know if stretch's systemd version contains that bug where all the services go belly up when you pull out journald under them
• 1155[13:09:59] <ratrace> TIAS. worst case it's reboot time
• 1156[13:10:00] <ecraven> ah, I just restarted systemd-journald, that seems to help
• 1157[13:10:01] <ecraven> thanks!
• 1158[13:10:27] <ratrace> ecraven: are you forwarding to (r)syslog as well?
• 1159[13:10:55] <ecraven> no
• 1160[13:11:00] <ecraven> (r)syslog is not running
• 1161[13:11:34] <ratrace> did you set it all up like this? it ain't default
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• 1163[13:14:29] <ecraven> I'm not sure who set this machine up, one of my colleagues
• 1164[13:14:36] <ecraven> it should also be moved to buster anyway :-/
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• 1168[13:17:32] <ratrace> or wait few more weeks and move to bullseye
• 1169[13:17:44] <ecraven> oooh, didn't know it was so close!
• 1170[13:17:49] <ecraven> then we'll definitely do that ;D
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• 1172[13:19:49] <ratrace> well maybe it's more like few more months (still january, my mind's already in february)
• 1173[13:20:07] <ecraven> that's ok, we aren't that fast :D
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• 1175[13:21:11] <ratrace> I typically start migrating when it fully freezes, so I can test everyting in time
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• 1179[13:25:11] <ecraven> is it already frozen?
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• 1187[13:30:18] <jelly> !bullseye freeze
• 1188[13:30:18] <dpkg> the freeze for Debian 11 'bullseye' has begun on 2021-01-13. replaced-url
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• 1190[13:31:14] <jelly> I'm already planning to put some less important stuff on bullseye experimentally
• 1191[13:31:28] <jelly> customer selfcare, noone cares about that right
• 1192[13:31:48] <ratrace> "has begun" but so far only with TRANSITIONS afaik, no? it's not fully frozen yet
• 1193[13:32:11] <jelly> that'd require me to read the link again
• 1194[13:32:24] <jelly> iirc yes
• 1195[13:32:27] <ratrace> "=== bullseye Transition and (build-)essential freeze ==="
• 1196[13:32:35] <jelly> you can't get a new Qt in
• 1197[13:32:40] <jelly> or a new perl
• 1198[13:32:47] <azeem> it's not fully frozen, yeah
• 1199[13:32:55] <jelly> but you can upload a leaf package
• 1200[13:34:01] <ratrace> when bullseye freezes, the ecoystem will know because everything's frozen then. it's friggin polar wasteland. security fixes? cuddled around the camp fire far down to the south (yea I'm northhemisphere-racist).
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• 1202[13:34:08] <jelly> !bullseye bet 1
• 1203[13:34:12] <jelly> !bullseye pool 1
• 1204[13:34:13] <dpkg> ! themíll=2021-09-01
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• 1206[13:34:22] <jelly> eh.
• 1207[13:34:24] <ratrace> oh we can bet?
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• 1209[13:34:32] <jelly> bullseye bet
• 1210[13:34:33] <Haohmaru> wut's this?
• 1211[13:34:37] <jelly> !bullseye bet
• 1212[13:34:38] <dpkg> To add a bet to the <bullseye pool>, /msg dpkg bullseye pool 1 =~ s/!/! yournick=yyyy-mm-dd/ and when "bullseye pool 1" is full, create "bullseye pool 2" and update this factoid.
• 1213[13:34:44] <ratrace> !bullseye bet 2021-06-13
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• 1215[13:34:56] <ratrace> I frobozz'd that didn't I
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• 1217[13:35:38] <Haohmaru> i can't decipher the instructions
• 1218[13:35:42] <ratrace> wait, now I don't know what I have to type in .... pool 1 or pool 2?
• 1219[13:35:46] <jelly> !bullseye pool 1 =~ s/!/! jëlly=2021-06-06/
• 1220[13:35:46] <dpkg> OK, jelly
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• 1222[13:35:56] <ratrace> why them umlauts
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• 1224[13:36:03] <Haohmaru> jelly you cheated there with the e
• 1225[13:36:10] <jelly> does ratrace like highlights?
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• 1228[13:36:40] <jelly> if ratrace does like them then ratrace can type in the actual nickname
• 1229[13:36:41] <avu> räträce is how you pronounce it anyway
• 1230[13:36:48] <ratrace> !bullseye pool 1 =~ s/!/! räträcé=2021-06-13/
• 1231[13:36:48] <dpkg> ratrace: OK
• 1232[13:37:07] <jelly> making bets this late is a bit cheaty but eh
• 1233[13:37:22] <ratrace> it's still january jones.
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• 1237[13:37:51] <Haohmaru> !bullseye pool 1 =~ s/!/! antto=2021-07-07/
• 1238[13:37:51] <dpkg> Haohmaru: OK
• 1239[13:37:54] <jelly> no "rien ne va plus"
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• 1241[13:38:15] * themill made his almost 18 months ago
• 1242[13:38:23] <themill> hopefully pessimistic
• 1243[13:38:23] <Haohmaru> what is the prize?
• 1244[13:38:43] <ratrace> Haohmaru: fresh new debian release!
• 1245[13:38:44] <themill> repeated highlights
• 1246[13:39:06] <themill> !buster bet
• 1247[13:39:06] <dpkg> The pool about when <buster> would release was won by coruja with 2019-06-25! fmneto was the most off track with 2019-10-15. Most improved award to jelly. Ask me about <buster pool 1> to see the bets placed. See also <bullseye pool>.
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• 1250[13:39:36] <Haohmaru> huh
• 1251[13:39:41] <ratrace> what's "most improved award" and why did jells win it!
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• 1253[13:39:53] <Haohmaru> he knows the right people
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• 1255[13:40:01] <themill> !stretch bet
• 1256[13:40:01] <dpkg> The pool about when <Stretch> would release was won by dutchfish with 2017-06-06! jelly was the most off-track (again!). Ask me about <stretch pool 1> to see the bets placed. See also <buster pool>.
• 1257[13:40:10] <ratrace> Haohmaru: did you touch your nose when you said that? :)
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• 1259[13:40:31] <themill> dpkg, pal jelly
• 1260[13:40:31] * dpkg points at jelly and laughs hysterically
• 1261[13:40:38] <Haohmaru> no touching on the face, remember?
• 1262[13:40:55] <themill> sadly, that includes facepalming
• 1263[13:41:00] <ratrace> unless you're wearing gloves, then it's okay.
• 1264[13:41:04] <ratrace> =)
• 1265[13:41:18] <Haohmaru> the gloves don't change much
• 1266[13:41:36] <ratrace> replacing your sarcasm detector batteries does tho :)
• 1267[13:42:23] <Haohmaru> ,v sarcasm_detector
• 1268[13:42:24] <judd> No package named 'sarcasm_detector' was found in amd64.
• 1269[13:42:44] <shtrb> jelly, what's a leaf package ?
• 1270[13:42:54] * Haohmaru deploys an ear
• 1271[13:42:56] <ratrace> the one nothing depends on
• 1272[13:43:28] <Haohmaru> hm
• 1273[13:43:34] <shtrb> ratrace, was that form me?
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• 1275[13:43:49] <Haohmaru> yes ;P~
• 1276[13:43:54] <Haohmaru> (but i stole it)
• 1277[13:44:07] <ratrace> Kiitos!
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• 1279[13:45:06] <jelly> !jessie bet
• 1280[13:45:06] <dpkg> The pool about when <Jessie> would release was won by babilen with 2015-05-23; that's twice in a row for babilen! jelly was the most off-track. Ask me about <jessie pool 1> to see the bets placed. See also <stretch pool>.
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• 1282[13:45:26] <jelly> !jessie pool 1
• 1283[13:45:26] <dpkg> ! petn-randall=2015-04-25 jellÿ=2016-01-01 gsimmons=2015-08-27 peterrooney=2014-11-11 babīlen=2015-05-23 themíll=2015-06-23 abrötman=2015-07-23
• 1284[13:45:50] <ratrace> 01-01 ?! o.O
• 1285[13:46:46] <Haohmaru> anything from 2014 to 2016, what's going on back then
• 1286[13:47:10] <ratrace> systemd
• 1287[13:47:11] <Haohmaru> the calendar got warped?
• 1288[13:47:28] <Haohmaru> these timezones are crazy
• 1289[13:47:38] <Haohmaru> GMT+2years
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• 1291[13:48:05] <jelly> I didn't have enough RC bugs up my sleeve to delay it enough to win
• 1292[13:48:43] <Haohmaru> you could've asked me to submit some of my programs to debian
• 1293[13:48:48] <Haohmaru> ;P~
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• 1295[13:49:16] <jelly> !rc bugs
• 1296[13:49:17] <dpkg> Release-Critical bugs are Debian bugs with critical, grave or serious severities, preventing the next release of Debian. See the graph at replaced-url
• 1297[13:49:28] <jelly> huh
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• 1299[13:50:14] <jelly> dpkg, rc bugs =~ s/stretch/bullseye/
• 1300[13:50:15] <dpkg> jelly: that doesn't contain 'stretch'
• 1301[13:50:24] <jelly> dpkg, literal rc bugs
• 1302[13:50:24] <dpkg> "rc bugs" is "<reply>see release-critical"
• 1303[13:50:32] <jelly> dpkg, release-critical =~ s/stretch/bullseye/
• 1304[13:50:32] <dpkg> jelly: OK
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• 1306[13:51:17] <Haohmaru> i am witnessing brainwashing x_x
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• 1308[13:52:02] <ratrace> and I am witnessing slack and lazyness! Nobody adjusted the factoid for buster!
• 1309[13:52:38] <jelly> I'm not witnessing slack, unless we have a hidden bridge bot
• 1310[13:52:41] <Haohmaru> buster was too cool, it needed to have at least one flaw somewhere
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• 1314[13:54:08] <jelly> 🐓
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• 1380[15:01:14] <Xalys> How can I upgrade a package from a specific repo? I can't really use -t because I have two repos with the same release name ...
• 1381[15:02:16] <Haohmaru> o_O
• 1382[15:02:54] <ratrace> lolwut
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• 1385[15:03:21] <ratrace> also, you generally don't use -t for upgrades, unless you explicitly want to bump all packages to available newer versions from the -t repo
• 1386[15:03:45] <ratrace> ie. once installed from repo X, that one package will continue to be upgraded from that repo, without -t for apt upgrade
• 1387[15:04:25] <Xalys> Problem is, I have package A which depends on package B, but package B depends on a package that conflicts with package A. That is because package B was installed from the repo by someone else ... So (if possible) the most logical solution to me seemed to upgrade/replace package B with package B from the other repo, which does not contain that conflict
• 1388[15:04:37] <ratrace> problem is, you have broken your debian
• 1389[15:05:50] <ratrace> and you can always uninstall and reinstall. and iirc, using apt install on already installed pacakge might force an upgrade
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• 1391[15:06:23] <Xalys> What do you mean I have broken my Debian? Can't I just deinstall package A?
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• 1399[15:15:39] <ratrace> !dont break debian
• 1400[15:15:39] <dpkg> methinks dont break debian is replaced-url
• 1401[15:15:45] <ratrace> !frankendebian
• 1402[15:15:45] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about <reinstall>
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• 1425[15:33:58] <lesless> How is it possible for `0.0.0.0:*` to appear on the remote side of an UDP connection? I'd expect there always to be a port and an ip
• 1426[15:34:12] <lesless> Got this through netstat -n -a | grep udp
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• 1434[15:40:16] <jelly> lesless, udp listener, a service on local machine
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• 1436[15:41:33] <lesless> jelly but shouldn't there be an ip and a port either way?
• 1437[15:41:41] <Ede|Popede> btw, `ss -nau` if i'm not wrong?
• 1438[15:41:54] <rgwu> lesless: There is no 'connection' for udp.
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• 1440[15:43:10] <lesless> rgwu but there is a source ip, source port, destination ip and destination port. Those are essential pieces of bi-directional channel
• 1441[15:43:16] <lesless> Ede|Popede thanks!
• 1442[15:43:23] <jelly> lesless, show the actual lines please
• 1443[15:43:31] <jelly> !paste
• 1444[15:43:31] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: replaced-url
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• 1446[15:44:08] <lesless> udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:5262 0.0.0.0:*
• 1447[15:44:27] <jelly> yeah, that's a udp listener
• 1448[15:44:31] <rgwu> lesless: There is no channel for udp. You can listen on a udp port.
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• 1450[15:44:41] <jelly> lesless, add -p to see which process opened that
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• 1453[15:46:00] <lesless> Jelly it's opened by the app that I'm working. What it tries to do is to perform a dns lookup
• 1454[15:46:16] <jelly> that's not all it's doing.
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• 1456[15:46:56] <greycat> I suppose it's listening for the responses from the DNS resolver.
• 1457[15:47:04] <jelly> you don't need a listener for that
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• 1461[15:51:50] <jelly> a udp client seems to do socket(AF_INET, SOCK_DGRAM) then connect(); a udp server does socket() then bind() and that netstat looks like the process did the latter, I think
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• 1464[15:54:42] <jelly> udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:123 0.0.0.0:* 1009/ntpd # udp server / listener
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• 1468[16:00:54] <lesless> What it can be then?
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• 1470[16:01:24] <rgwu> lesless: Once again, there is no connection for udp, so it doesn't have a remote ip or port to show.
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• 1477[16:03:07] <Krikke> any chance to get a newer version of libvirt?
• 1478[16:03:09] <lesless> Got it, thanks
• 1479[16:03:39] <Krikke> got 6.9 from sid with apt-src but it has a serious bug that's fixed in 6.10
• 1480[16:03:50] <greycat> *sigh*
• 1481[16:04:07] <greycat> So you're running sid, then. Please seek sid support on OFTC in the #debian-next channel.
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• 1483[16:04:26] <Krikke> thanks!
• 1484[16:04:42] <Krikke> hmm says I need to be invited
• 1485[16:05:08] <greycat> !debian-next
• 1486[16:05:09] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also replaced-url
• 1487[16:05:11] <Haohmaru> OFTC is another irc network, you're in freenode here
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• 1489[16:05:25] <Krikke> cool
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• 1514[16:22:34] <dob1> will debian add chrome to repository after what will happen to chromium ?
• 1515[16:22:58] <greycat> Is chrome free? As in DFSG? If not, then no.
• 1516[16:23:18] <greycat> Also, what on earth are you talking about?
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• 1518[16:24:16] <koollman> dob1: no
• 1519[16:24:47] <dob1> greycat, google will remove sync support (and other things) to chromium
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• 1521[16:25:35] <shtrb> dob1, chrome is not free ,and piled with stuff that many users would prefer not to have
• 1522[16:25:42] <Haohmaru> is this chromium playing the role of the "mid-sized popcorn" in the cinema?
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• 1524[16:25:49] <koollman> google removes google api authorization for non-chrome browsers
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• 1527[16:26:12] <koollman> support can still be there, just ... can't call the api in an authorized way :)
• 1528[16:26:41] <dob1> shtrb, I was happy to use chromium but without sync... it's not so useful, for me at least
• 1529[16:27:03] <nkuttler> fwiw, i just rsync my browser profiles..
• 1530[16:27:15] <koollman> my reaction would be more in the "remove chromium" than "add chrome" way. But I don't really care much
• 1531[16:27:28] <Haohmaru> just use firefox
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• 1533[16:27:47] <shtrb> dob1, If only we had away to copy files and folders between devices, some kind of mechnism, or maybe even synchronization tools
• 1534[16:28:11] <nkuttler> i also rsync firefox profiles because firefox sync is really lacking.. and self-hosting is a pita
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• 1537[16:28:20] <koollman> shtrb: well, it's not easy to do that while the browser is running, you need a bit of knowledge of what's in there
• 1538[16:28:31] <Haohmaru> what are these "profiles" you talk about?!
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• 1542[16:29:39] <shtrb> koollman, git, NFS , rsync and a few other tools had reminded that they exist, it's files, that it
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• 1545[16:30:28] <koollman> shtrb: opened files. unless you close the browser each time
• 1546[16:30:40] <koollman> so ... in some undefined state, that is hard to replicate
• 1547[16:30:48] <koollman> then of course, both sides can have changes that you need to merge
• 1548[16:30:51] <dob1> shtrb, you are only considering browsers installed on pc, the sync was useful on mobile too
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• 1553[16:34:45] <jelly> dob1, if you want to use chrome, use it, the vendor has .deb packages and its own repo
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• 1559[16:38:10] <dob1> jelly, I will have to do it
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• 1568[16:45:32] <jelly> dob1, mind you, google will not remove sync source code, they just want to limit usage of their services by non-google browsers. You could reimplement the sync service and point chromium there, I guess.
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• 1571[16:45:47] <jelly> this is very likely what Edge does
• 1572[16:46:40] <jelly> stores your precious cookies, tabs etc on microsoft's cloud instead of google's cloud
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• 1595[16:59:55] <Haohmaru> ,v hexchat
• 1596[16:59:56] <judd> Package: hexchat on amd64 -- jessie: 2.10.1-1+deb8u2; stretch: 2.12.4-3; stretch-backports: 2.14.2-4~bpo9+1; buster: 2.14.2-4; bullseye: 2.14.3-5; sid: 2.14.3-5
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• 1609[17:14:41] <mackilanu> Hi! I have an issue with trying to make Debian Stable work on my new PC. It has a Radeon RX 5700 graphics card, and a ethernet card that need kernel version > 5.9. And the backport-kernel is at 5.0, awesome! But gdm still wont boot.
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• 1611[17:15:01] <mackilanu> Any ideas on why that might happen?
• 1612[17:15:08] <petn-randall> ,kernels
• 1613[17:15:09] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 5.10.0-trunk-686 (5.10.2-1~exp1); sid: 5.10.0-2-686-pae (5.10.9-1); bullseye: 5.10.0-2-686-pae (5.10.9-1); buster-backports: 5.9.0-0.bpo.5-686-pae (5.9.15-1~bpo10+1); buster: 4.19.0-13-686-pae (4.19.160-2); stretch-backports: 4.19.0-0.bpo.9-686-pae (4.19.118-2+deb10u1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.19.0-0.bpo.13-686 (4.19.160-2~deb9u1); jessie-
• 1614[17:15:10] <judd> backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 4.9.0-0.bpo.12-686 (4.9.210-1+deb9u1~deb8u1)
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• 1616[17:16:13] <petn-randall> mackilanu: Do you mean >= 5.9?
• 1617[17:16:25] <mackilanu> petn-randall: yes, exactly :)
• 1618[17:16:35] <petn-randall> mackilanu: First thing I'd do is check the system logs to find out why gdm doesn't start.
• 1619[17:16:40] <greycat> then the backports kernel which is 5.9 (not 5.0) should suffice
• 1620[17:16:59] <greycat> did you install the firmware as well?
• 1621[17:17:04] <petn-randall> mackilanu: `journalctl -u gdm` would be a start, assuming you can reach a terminal.
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• 1623[17:18:01] <mackilanu> Oh, mistyped, i meant 5.9 :) My ethernet card works fine after linux-image-amd64 with backports
• 1624[17:18:14] <mackilanu> petn-randall: I will check with the logs! Thanks :)
• 1625[17:18:36] <karlpinc> Looks like it's noscript that's breaking file:/// urls in firefox-esr.
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• 1627[17:20:35] <petn-randall> karlpinc: Probably as a security measure?
• 1628[17:21:25] <karlpinc> petn-randall: That does not make sense to me. What happens is the "spinnie ball" spins forever and file:/// urls don't ever load.
• 1629[17:21:58] <greycat> file:///home/greg/.bashrc just loaded fine for me in firefox-esr with noscript
• 1630[17:22:20] <milkt> karlpinc: what file are you loading?
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• 1633[17:24:03] <karlpinc> milkt: Seemingly any. Lately I've been testing with "file:///".
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• 1635[17:24:27] <greycat> that does not look like a valid URL to me
• 1636[17:24:53] <karlpinc> greycat: It opens "/".
• 1637[17:24:57] <dob1> I have a root partition of a pc that doesn't start, I just want to get the list of installed packages. I can mount the partition, what I have to look for?
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• 1640[17:25:15] <greycat> I thought you said it doesn't open *anything*.
• 1641[17:25:26] <karlpinc> It seems like file:///etc/passwd shows the file, but the "loading blinker" keeps blinking. So it's directories that don't show.
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• 1645[17:25:43] <greycat> dob1: easiest way would be to chroot into it and use dpkg -l or dpkg --get-selections
• 1646[17:25:43] <karlpinc> greycat: It hadn't. I'd not tried a file before.
• 1647[17:26:10] <karlpinc> greycat: (Rather, it does not open "/". Which is what "file:///" is supposed to open.)
• 1648[17:26:35] <greycat> did you try something normal like file:///etc/profile ?
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• 1650[17:26:43] <karlpinc> greycat: See above.
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• 1653[17:27:16] <greycat> well, I can't reproduce any of the things you're complaining about
• 1654[17:27:37] <greycat> even "file:///" works for me although I had no idea that was a thing
• 1655[17:27:38] <karlpinc> greycat: Do you have the noscript plugin installed and turned on?
• 1656[17:27:40] <dob1> greycat, I am not so used to charoot unfortunately
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• 1658[17:27:45] <dob1> *chroot
• 1659[17:27:47] <greycat> Yes, I do.
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• 1662[17:29:15] <karlpinc> greycat: That seems to be where the problem is. Humm. My noscipt "settings" page says last updated January 27, 2021, version 11.2.
• 1663[17:30:24] <greycat> if you mean about:addons I see the same version number and date
• 1664[17:30:54] <karlpinc> I also have it turned on for private windows.
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• 1666[17:31:18] <karlpinc> greycat: I just went to the add-ons menu and clicked on the little gear icon.
• 1667[17:33:09] <karlpinc> Dunno. I am doing something "different" in that I'm using X over the network. The strace seems to indiciate some sort of infinte polling loop is going on....
• 1668[17:33:55] <karlpinc> Well, I'll file a bug report with noscript and see what happens.
• 1669[17:34:40] <karlpinc> greycat: Thanks for the help.
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• 1711[17:56:55] <oxek> anyone have a link to a guide on how to get linux kernel 5.10 into debian-stable? I only need it until 5.10 gets into backports (if it does at all).
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• 1714[17:57:38] <greycat> It very likely will be in backports because it's in bullseye now.
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• 1717[17:59:33] <oxek> it will likely happen eventually then. What's the easiest way of doing it in the meantime?
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• 1727[18:03:29] <karlpinc> oxek: There used to be some sort of kernel packaging manual for debian maintainers that, incidentally, had information for normal users. But I can't seem to find it. (The reorg of debian.org is not helping.)
• 1728[18:04:07] <oxek> karlpinc: that's exactly what I was looking for but couldn't find either, hence asking here
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• 1733[18:05:12] <karlpinc> oxek: Searching through the factoids that dpkg has might help. There's a "dpkgbot" (??) page on the wiki, iirc, that links to a page that lets you search the factoids.
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• 1735[18:05:29] <oxek> I imagine I need to get the kernel sources for 5.10 (from debian?), package it into .deb and install it. This way it will eventually get updated into the official debian version of 5.10 and keep on getting updated.
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• 1740[18:06:25] <oxek> karlpinc: I'm already on replaced-url
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• 1750[18:07:09] <oxek> I'll get this done, but perhaps debian will release 5.10 into backports sooner than I'm done :D
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• 1759[18:07:49] <karlpinc> oxek: There's a section on how to set the version numbers so that happens, on the backports.debian.org page's instructions on how to backport. I think. If not, you'll have to go to the policy manual that explains the version numbering.
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• 1773[18:09:20] <oxek> I think I remember I just need to append something to the version string
• 1774[18:09:30] <greycat> !kernel handbook
• 1775[18:09:30] <dpkg> The Debian Linux Kernel Handbook replaced-url
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• 1779[18:11:26] <ratrace> hey greycat, placed your bullseye pool bet yet?
• 1780[18:11:48] <greycat> seems kinda weird to bet on them now that we have officially announced freeze dates
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• 1788[18:17:00] <mackilanu> Okay, so i got debian stable working now with kde plasma, with buster-backports. Though, i have soem severe screentearing when scrolling, moving around a window etc. I have a radeon rx 5700. Is there any settings for amdgpu that might fix this?
• 1789[18:17:27] <greycat> Did you install the firmware from backports as well?
• 1790[18:17:33] <mackilanu> greycat: Yes
• 1791[18:17:49] <phuzion> Does anyone know if there was a change made to systemd or something recently (within the past year) that would have caused some changes to dependencies on unit files? I did a major upgrade on a box that hadn't had patches applied in about a year, and a bunch of services failed to start. I'm just starting to look into things, and wondering if there's some documentation I can start looking into.
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• 1793[18:18:28] <greycat> Pick one service, read its logs (journalctl -u servicename), figure out what broke it, and repeat for each one.
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• 1800[18:22:58] <CrystalMath> ,package dosemu
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• 1802[18:23:11] <CrystalMath> ,versions dosemu
• 1803[18:23:12] <judd> Package: dosemu on amd64 -- jessie/contrib: 1.4.0.7+20130105+b028d3f-1; stretch/contrib: 1.4.0.7+20130105+b028d3f-2+b1
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• 1807[18:24:13] <CrystalMath> ,bug rm dosemu
• 1808[18:24:20] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 1815[18:33:33] <shtrb> nice CVE-2021-3156, suggest mitigation uninstall sudo :D
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• 1818[18:35:25] <greycat> it's patched in Debian already
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• 1820[18:35:44] <shtrb> sorry, I pasted this in the wrong channel
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• 1847[19:05:12] <diogenes_> ,v bleachbit
• 1848[19:05:13] <judd> Package: bleachbit on amd64 -- jessie: 1.4-1; stretch: 1.12-1; buster: 2.0-3; bullseye: 3.9.0-1; sid: 3.9.0-1
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• 1863[19:19:30] <karlpinc> greycat: That's it. kernel handbook. Thanks.
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• 1875[19:31:23] <ratrace> greycat: the uncertainty is still there. full freeze ain't announced yet.
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• 1997[21:37:41] <alexrelis[m]> My mom is having an issue with her webcam on Debian 10. Her laptop is the Thinkpad X220T and the webcam usually works fine but sometimes it just shows a black screen. Rebooting seems to be the only workaround. Is there a way for her webcam to work all the time?
• 1998[21:37:52] <alexrelis[m]> She needs it for Zoom calls for work.
• 1999[21:37:57] <pixalot> I used to use AIDE years back. What is the best offering these days for intrusion detection?
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• 2002[21:39:40] <alexrelis[m]> The device is `Bus 001 Device 006: ID 04f2:b217 Chicony Electronics Co., Ltd Lenovo Integrated Camera (0.3MP)`.
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• 2004[21:42:46] <jhutchins> alexrelis[m]: Sounds like it could be a hardware issue. Check dmesg and journalctl for messages.
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• 2011[21:51:31] <alexrelis[m]> jhutchins: I don't see anything in `dmesg` or `journalctl`.
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• 2017[21:54:29] <alexrelis[m]> Her Zoom client is installed via flatpak, but it also doens't show anything in Cheese.
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• 2028[22:09:20] <jhutchins> alexrelis[m]: I installed from a .deb that I believe I got from zoom, but I haven't use it much.
• 2029[22:10:10] <alexrelis[m]> jhutchins: I wish I didn't have to use it, but I can't graduate college without using it...
• 2030[22:10:28] <sney> those thinkpad cameras are usually pretty foolproof. certainly wrt driver support. I would suspect a loose connection, probably in the hinge area
• 2031[22:10:51] <alexrelis[m]> sney: Perhaps that is the case.
• 2032[22:11:18] <GNU\colossus> does lsusb list the camera device?
• 2033[22:11:21] <alexrelis[m]> Though if a connector was loose, wouldn't the webcam not be listed at all?
• 2034[22:11:23] <alexrelis[m]> GNU\colossus: Yes
• 2035[22:11:34] <sney> loose connections produce intermittent issues
• 2036[22:11:58] <GNU\colossus> then you can assume it's one the bus, and that a loose connection would cause it to re-init when it re-appears
• 2037[22:13:12] <jhutchins> Gotta love amatuer video.
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• 2047[22:22:45] <RoyK> hm... what really happens if I 'systemctl enable <someservice>' ? is there a symlink created somewhere or what?
• 2048[22:24:38] <foxide> It tells you exactly what symlink is created, in fact.
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• 2051[22:27:28] <GNU\colossus> alexrelis[m], I usually try to get webcams working with mpv (and its v4l support) first, and anything else second. it provides useful debugging output most of the time. maybe you can shed light on your problem that way.
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• 2057[22:28:11] <foxide> RoyK: You'll see something like this: Created symlink /etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/sshd.service → /usr/lib/systemd/system/sshd.service
• 2058[22:28:16] <jack2019> what is the mount options for filesystem hierarchy standard?
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• 2062[22:30:36] <greycat> that's like asking "what's the font for the laws of California"
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• 2068[22:31:20] <jack2019> greycat: yes sure
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• 2072[22:32:21] <RoyK> foxide: got it - thanks
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• 2076[22:32:53] <echelon> hi, when installing debian 10, it asks what components to install from cd
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• 2078[22:32:59] <echelon> what do i need for lvm partitioning
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• 2080[22:34:14] <jhutchins> echelon: The installer should offer that.
• 2081[22:34:22] <echelon> 10 partman/method_long/lvm doesn't exist
• 2082[22:34:49] <echelon> that's what i get when i try to go through the list of of partition uses
• 2083[22:35:04] <greycat> that sounds like a corrupted installer or something
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• 2085[22:35:07] <jhutchins> !ig
• 2086[22:35:08] <dpkg> The Installation Guide for Debian 10 "Buster" can be found at replaced-url
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• 2088[22:35:31] <echelon> greycat: replaced-url
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• 2090[22:35:37] <echelon> i went into expert mode
• 2091[22:36:09] <foxide> It would seem that that was ill-advised. And Cygwin?
• 2092[22:36:23] <echelon> yes..
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• 2095[22:37:59] <echelon> nevermind.. i was able to just pick lvm
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• 2115[22:49:23] <echelon> wait.. it didn't work because it says: No root file system
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• 2124[22:58:30] <echelon> in the log window it says partman-lvm: Unknown selection '10 partman-lvm/mainmenu doesn't exist'
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• 2138[23:03:18] <Aebian> what was the better tail -f alternative again called? Had the option to search like in vi while new content flew in. Just lost the name. Is pre-installed on Debian too
• 2139[23:03:53] <nkuttler> mh, multitail? no preinstallad though afaik
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• 2143[23:06:33] <Aebian> less
• 2144[23:06:45] <Aebian> it's called less. Damn yeah that was the one
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• 2146[23:08:27] <n4dir> i didn't know less can update content. How would you do that? Or does it automatically?
• 2147[23:10:05] <rgwu> n4dir: Shift-G or Shift-F
• 2148[23:10:08] <jhutchins> I don't think less auto-scrolls, but you can manually follow a stream.
• 2149[23:10:20] <rgwu> It will autoscroll with Shift-F
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• 2151[23:11:28] <n4dir> jhutchins: what do you mean with auto-scroll?
• 2152[23:11:51] <n4dir> tail -f does update the content if new content arrives in a log-file, doesn't it?
• 2153[23:11:57] <n4dir> or is that called auto-scroll?
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• 2155[23:12:53] <rgwu> n4dir: Shift-F in less is effectively tailing the file
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• 2157[23:13:33] <n4dir> rgwu: ah, well, way cool. Never heard that. Thanks
• 2158[23:13:34] <nifker> Why does debian have no package for doas?
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• 2162[23:16:32] <jhutchins> n4dir: May have been added since I started using less.
• 2163[23:17:33] <n4dir> Well, i don't think i ever had to read a log file it keeping updating content. I only read about it here and there
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• 2167[23:18:02] <jhutchins> Yeah, F will follow a stream per the manpage.
• 2168[23:18:21] <sney> nifker: looks like it's making progress, #981176
• 2169[23:18:22] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 2172[23:19:38] <jhutchins> sney: Is that regarding the CVE?
• 2173[23:20:21] <sney> jhutchins: I'm sure renewed interest in doas is because of the CVE, but no, it's just an alternative utility for the same thing
• 2174[23:20:37] <jhutchins> Oh, right.
• 2175[23:20:50] <sney> like pkexec, I guess
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• 2194[23:47:27] <wyatt8740> sney: does openbsd's doas utilize mozjs upstream?
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• 2196[23:49:22] <wyatt8740> but yeah same basic idea, i think
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• 2198[23:50:35] <sney> I'm sure the bug thread has that information, I just looked it up
• 2199[23:51:04] <wyatt8740> It was a tongue-in-cheek jab at software I have strong opinions about; I know doas doesn't do that
• 2200[23:51:13] <wyatt8740> :\
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• 2202[23:52:10] <wyatt8740> but that is why we're on an 8-year-old polkit release still
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• 2204[23:53:45] <wyatt8740> (unless running it from experimental)
• 2205[23:56:00] <wyatt8740> honestly I'm just surprised that upstream decided that mozjs was a good idea; if they really had to use javascript for configuration I'd think duktape (which has a more stable API) would have been a better choice
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