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• 3[00:00:29] <CutMeOwnThroat> Ingvix, but there is an owncloud packagage in debian itself
• 4[00:00:50] <Ingvix> ohh
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• 7[00:02:44] <Ingvix> uh, I'm not sure how to proceed though
• 8[00:03:03] <Ingvix> should I remove those that I installed and try more official instructions?
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• 11[00:03:44] <CutMeOwnThroat> I haven't tried installing it... and the "owncloud" package seems to be just a meta-package that pulls in apache2 and others
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• 13[00:04:16] <CutMeOwnThroat> but it's not unusual that 3rd-party packages don't work very well in debian
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• 15[00:05:38] <CutMeOwnThroat> but cant really say much about owncloud itself, haven't tried it
• 16[00:05:56] <Ingvix> okay
• 17[00:06:12] <Ingvix> I guess I try to clean up the mess I did now and try some other way maybe
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• 24[00:07:10] <CutMeOwnThroat> it is generally better to build yourself and install in /opt or /user/local/ (e.g. /opt/mysoftware) than install packages from outside debian
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• 26[00:07:45] <Ingvix> I try that if I find out how
• 27[00:07:59] <CutMeOwnThroat> or well, maybe depends
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• 31[00:10:14] <markybob> really the main issue is you should never use webmin
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• 36[00:10:53] <Ingvix> oh
• 37[00:11:01] <Ingvix> why not
• 38[00:11:01] <markybob> !webmin
• 39[00:11:02] <dpkg> Webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at replaced-url
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• 41[00:11:17] <Ingvix> oh
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• 44[00:12:06] <CutMeOwnThroat> but what does this have to do with webmin?
• 45[00:12:10] <CutMeOwnThroat> nuffin
• 46[00:12:19] <markybob> he was getting 404 errors trying to install webmin
• 47[00:12:38] <markybob> so, yeah, it matters
• 48[00:13:12] <CutMeOwnThroat> no?
• 49[00:13:23] <Ingvix> if the package even installed it as it didn't install mysql though according to that tutorial it should've
• 50[00:13:50] <CutMeOwnThroat> owncloud apparently has some webadmin thingy
• 51[00:13:54] <CutMeOwnThroat> that's hardly "webmin"
• 52[00:14:09] <markybob> oh. then i misread
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• 117[00:40:19] <pw16> Is there a OneNote/Evernote equivalent for linux?
• 118[00:40:29] <pw16> If not, what do people use?
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• 124[00:44:29] <teraflops> wine?
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• 128[00:46:46] <markybob> pw16: i know codeweavers supports evernote 4.x and onenote 2010...wine might be hard. newer might be hard.
• 129[00:46:57] <Zarthus> pw16: maybe wunderlist? I'm not sure if it allows creating notes
• 130[00:47:21] * Zarthus only ever used it in a browser.
• 131[00:47:35] <pw16> Zarthus, wunderlist is just more for task management i believe - but you can add notes to tasks
• 132[00:47:37] <markybob> for notes i just use google's keep. *shrug*
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• 135[00:47:56] <Zarthus> yeah it also doesn't seem to support linux, just macs
• 136[00:48:03] <teraflops> replaced-url
• 137[00:48:04] <pw16> just found this: replaced-url
• 138[00:48:04] <Zarthus> (well, anything but linux, to be more accurate.)
• 139[00:48:13] <pw16> markybob, hows that worked out for you? :)
• 140[00:48:29] <markybob> pw16: obviously great since i still use it :P
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• 142[00:49:30] <jmcnaught> pw16: basket and zim are a couple you might want ot check out, or tomboy notes (if you're looking for something native to linux)
• 143[00:49:45] <pw16> jmcnaught, thanks! :)
• 144[00:49:48] <jmcnaught> not exactly the same but might scratch the same itch
• 145[00:50:25] <teraflops> markybob: I heard google keep is not that bad
• 146[00:50:32] <markybob> teraflops: i really like it
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• 148[00:52:14] <pw16> i'm still in the process of transitioning to linux
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• 150[00:52:21] <pw16> not quite sure how i'm going to really do it
• 151[00:52:25] <pw16> i'm still dual booting
• 152[00:52:31] <pw16> so taking a step at a time
• 153[00:52:51] <markybob> pw16: that's what's great about something like keep. you can use it in linux, mac, windows, android, ios...same notes
• 154[00:53:02] <evilytwisted> Linux is love, linux is life. its people friendly but its picky on who its friendly with!
• 155[00:54:36] <pw16> markybob, I actually haven't tried keep yet but will note that to try out
• 156[00:54:55] <pw16> evilytwisted, yep i'm already loving this channel, everyone is so responsive
• 157[00:56:24] <jmcnaught> we have our moments
• 158[00:57:30] <teraflops> hmm there is a chrome/chromium extension and app
• 159[00:57:51] <pw16> jmcnaught, never heard of basket and zim
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• 164[00:58:07] <pw16> but will check them out too
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• 167[00:58:43] <jmcnaught> pw16: they're both available as Debian packages
• 168[00:58:50] <evilytwisted> pw16: but im not a deb user :P
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• 170[00:58:56] <evilytwisted> im one of those.. offbreeds
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• 172[00:59:20] <pw16> jmcnaught, i'm not currently on deb but will check it later :)
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• 177[01:01:57] <jmcnaught> pw16: they both have websites too :)
• 178[01:02:05] <pw16> goodnight everyone! happy to meet you all.
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• 180[01:02:15] <pw16> thank you for all your replies, you know who you are
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• 190[01:05:28] <evilytwisted> is it possibe to add yast, kyum, yum, and synaptic on one os?
• 191[01:05:34] <evilytwisted> and work
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• 229[01:30:43] <Lady_Aleena> Hello. I did a apt-cache search for a gui battery monitor. I'm just not sure if any of these are what I'm looking for.
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• 232[01:32:45] <jim> Lady_Aleena, this battery is powering what?
• 233[01:33:35] <Lady_Aleena> jim, it is the battery backup.
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• 237[01:34:07] <jim> ok, probably you're looking for a different kind of monitor?
• 238[01:34:42] <jim> what's it backing up?
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• 241[01:34:55] <u0_a219> test
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• 243[01:35:12] <Lady_Aleena> If the power goes out, this will keep my computer running long enough so I can shut it down correctly.
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• 245[01:36:00] <u0_a219> this is so cool, im running irssi on my phone lol
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• 247[01:36:23] <jim> ok, did you get it connected? and, what are the cables? also, what manufacturer/model is the battery backup?
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• 249[01:36:47] <jim> omit the second question, malformed thought.
• 250[01:36:57] <Lady_Aleena> jim, APC BE750G, and yes the cord I had was correct.
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• 253[01:37:40] <Lady_Aleena> I see something called apcupsd, but the little description doesn't tell me if it is gui.
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• 255[01:38:15] <jim> so do I...
• 256[01:38:31] <jim> ,find apcupsd
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• 258[01:38:34] <judd> Search for apcupsd in jessie/amd64: apcupsd: etc/default/apcupsd, etc/init.d/apcupsd, sbin/apcupsd; logcheck-database: etc/logcheck/ignore.d.server/apcupsd; aide-common: usr/share/aide/config/aide/aide.conf.d/31_aide_apcupsd
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• 260[01:38:52] <Lady_Aleena> jim, I just ran apt-cache search APC.
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• 262[01:39:15] <jim> ,v apcupsd
• 263[01:39:16] <judd> Package: apcupsd on amd64 -- squeeze: 3.14.8-2; wheezy: 3.14.10-2; jessie: 3.14.12-1.1; sid: 3.14.12-1.2; stretch: 3.14.12-1.2
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• 265[01:39:35] <jim> so this thing is there...
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• 267[01:39:46] <Lady_Aleena> jim, I know, I just don't know if it is gui.
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• 270[01:39:56] <jim> it's a daemon
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• 273[01:40:04] <jim> so it's not
• 274[01:40:26] <Lady_Aleena> BEGONE! 8) # I have to get a little silly right now, or I'll break into tears.
• 275[01:40:28] <jim> but that's not to say you can't monitor it with one
• 276[01:41:15] <Lady_Aleena> My keyboard is now acting up too.
• 277[01:41:19] <jim> one step at a time... first, let's see if you can get apcupsd to work
• 278[01:41:55] <Lady_Aleena> installing.
• 279[01:42:07] <jim> then, let's see how to query it
• 280[01:42:35] <jim> well, first make sure the ups is seen by it
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• 283[01:43:37] <jim> if it's really simple, maybe it uses syslog... and you can monitor using that
• 284[01:44:30] <Lady_Aleena> Sorry, I need to stop for a moment, I'm broken.
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• 290[01:45:52] <jim> ok, let me know when you;re feeling better and want to continue
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• 295[01:46:24] <Lady_Aleena> jim, maybe after my keyboard stops acting up. I don't get why it is suddenly being such a pain.
• 296[01:47:19] <jim> hmm... what kind of kbd?
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• 299[01:47:57] <Lady_Aleena> A Microsoft Natural Ergonomic Keyboard 4000 v1.0
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• 303[01:48:18] <jim> ok... how does it connect?
• 304[01:48:30] <Lady_Aleena> USB
• 305[01:48:39] <markybob> i never understood how people use those and then use other computers
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• 307[01:49:03] <markybob> muscle memory is real :P
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• 309[01:49:34] <Lady_Aleena> markybob, I know. Every other keyboard is so cramped to me now. Laptop keyboards are almost useless.
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• 311[01:49:59] <markybob> maybe it's time for a change :)
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• 313[01:50:17] <jim> do you happen to have a spare?
• 314[01:50:27] <mosh> I use mechanical keyboards :)
• 315[01:50:31] <Lady_Aleena> markybob, um, go back to a cramped keyboard which will kill my wrists?
• 316[01:50:38] <Lady_Aleena> jim, no.
• 317[01:50:58] * mosh hugs his IBM Model M recapped with a programmer's dvorak layout
• 318[01:51:10] <jim> yeah, taking care of wrists is good of course
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• 321[01:51:23] <Lady_Aleena> jim, let me quality that "no". There are other keyboards available, however they are so dirty I won't let them back in the house.
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• 323[01:51:52] <mosh> You can even get different colored key caps, even custom ones printed
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• 325[01:51:58] <markybob> mosh: good geek. we all should have those
• 326[01:52:08] <jim> what's good about mechanical kbds?
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• 328[01:52:26] <markybob> jim: are you being serious? ever used one?
• 329[01:52:34] <mosh> They last forever, aren't made cheaply. You can even get weighted keys :)
• 330[01:52:42] <jim> not sure...
• 331[01:52:51] <markybob> jim: you'd know. they're heaven.
• 332[01:52:55] <jim> weighted?
• 333[01:52:58] <markybob> young people, i swear
• 334[01:53:00] <markybob> ;)
• 335[01:53:17] <jim> hah :P
• 336[01:53:19] <mosh> I have an 1987 model m keyboard that works flawless, only problem is the letters were rubbed off
• 337[01:53:35] * mosh isn't young
• 338[01:53:47] <markybob> me either. that's why we know :)
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• 341[01:54:39] <mosh> :D, I even switched the windows key to the meta key symbol used on unix workstations (sun, ibm, etc) the diamond key
• 342[01:55:04] * mosh feels more comfortable that way
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• 350[01:57:28] <Lady_Aleena> mosh, I want my "Windows" key back to use on my application launcher in KDE.
• 351[01:58:07] <Lady_Aleena> Either Debian or KDE stole that key and made it a "meta" key which annoys me to bits.
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• 355[01:59:09] <markybob> i know nothing about kde but xfce can reset it. i assume kde can
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• 358[01:59:34] <Lady_Aleena> markybob, I haven't found it yet.
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• 360[02:00:22] <markybob> Lady_Aleena: i'm sure if you asked #debian-kde on irc.oftc.net they'd know right away how to do it
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• 363[02:01:47] <Lady_Aleena> markybob, right now I want to kick something. Do one thing good for my system, and several other things break.
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• 366[02:02:09] <markybob> Lady_Aleena: are you doing something stupid like using testing?
• 367[02:02:27] <Lady_Aleena> markybob, not that I am aware of.
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• 369[02:02:49] <markybob> Lady_Aleena: can you put your /etc/apt/sources.list on paste.debian.net ?
• 370[02:03:15] <Lady_Aleena> markybob, why do you need that?
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• 376[02:03:55] <markybob> Lady_Aleena: it'd tell me if you're using stable/testing/sid/frakendebian/whatever. jessie doesn't break that easily
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• 379[02:04:41] <Lady_Aleena> replaced-url
• 380[02:05:11] <markybob> Lady_Aleena: okay that looks good
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• 382[02:05:55] <markybob> oh no
• 383[02:06:05] <markybob> Lady_Aleena: i misread and skipped something
• 384[02:06:08] <Lady_Aleena> What?
• 385[02:06:19] <markybob> http.debian.net are your main sources
• 386[02:06:24] <markybob> that's not right
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• 388[02:07:06] <markybob> Lady_Aleena: well...it can be. but the point is it uses httpredir.debian.org which is often broken
• 389[02:07:11] <markybob> Lady_Aleena: so i'd change it
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• 394[02:07:51] <markybob> !httpredir issues
• 395[02:07:51] <dpkg> The <httpredir> service selects bad mirrors for some people. If you're one of them, try explicitly choosing a mirror: "deb replaced-url
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• 399[02:09:12] <Lady_Aleena> markybob, you sure?
• 400[02:09:35] <jim> whats an example of how such a mirror got bad?
• 401[02:09:44] <markybob> Lady_Aleena: i'm sure. that factoid was made by greycat. in greycat we trust. plus i've seen plenty of people having problems with it on here
• 402[02:10:04] <Lady_Aleena> markybob, I've not seen any problems with it yet.
• 403[02:10:06] <markybob> jim: 404
• 404[02:10:23] <jim> dead mirrors, nonexistant
• 405[02:10:41] <markybob> yes
• 406[02:11:38] * jim -still- loves his sources.list.m4
• 407[02:11:45] <Lady_Aleena> I got kitten in hand now, brb.
• 408[02:12:01] <jim> and associated makefile
• 409[02:12:12] <markybob> Lady_Aleena: you always do. how many do you have? i have 3 :P had four 'til a month ago :(
• 410[02:12:26] <Lady_Aleena> markybob, 1
• 411[02:12:32] <markybob> i'm the man version of the old cat lady
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• 415[02:13:16] <jim> sorry to hear cats=cats-1
• 416[02:13:26] <jmcnaught> markybob: three cats is the threshold. more than three you are official a crazy person
• 417[02:13:32] <Lady_Aleena> GUH! I am so tense right now.
• 418[02:13:42] <markybob> jmcnaught: i had 9 at one point. i'm not even kidding.
• 419[02:13:57] <markybob> jmcnaught: i live in the woods, though. they're mostly always outside
• 420[02:14:17] <Lady_Aleena> I think I need to step away from this computer and deal with it later.
• 421[02:14:29] <Lady_Aleena> Something is really wrong with it now.
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• 464[02:41:13] <jrabbit> did the default settigns for typing and using the ouse at the same time change
• 465[02:41:23] <jrabbit> and how can i get the old behvior back?
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• 468[02:47:04] <jmcnaught> jrabbit: what do you mean? what has changed?
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• 472[02:49:28] <jrabbit> jmcnaught: before I could use a non-modifier key and move my mouse
• 473[02:49:30] <jrabbit> now i cant
• 474[02:49:36] <jrabbit> the mouse is disabled when i type
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• 477[02:50:29] <jrabbit> all i did was update
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• 480[02:52:15] <jmcnaught> jrabbit: which release of Debian is this? this channel primarily caters to stable/jessie users (where upgrades don't generally change behaviours).
• 481[02:52:57] <jmcnaught> jrabbit: this is also likely tied to your choice of desktop environment or window manager. in gnome for instance the mouse/touchpad settings has a "disable while typing" setting
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• 487[02:58:17] <markybob> jrabbit: i've heard this a couple times recently from testing users. i assume that's what you're using?
• 488[02:59:07] <jrabbit> yeah
• 489[02:59:30] <markybob> jrabbit: so you should ask the testing people on #debian-next on irc.oftc.net per /topic
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• 678[04:25:09] <Guest50461> Hi, i want to install the last driver from nvdia, i launched the script and it says that it needs to blacklist nouveau, the script did a file to blacklist it and i had to reboot so nouveau will be disabled but when i reboot and launch the nvdia script again it compain that nouveau it still in use. How can i disable it plz ?
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• 681[04:26:42] <markybob> Guest50461: what script?
• 682[04:26:57] <jmcnaught> Guest50461: you're better off using the Debian packages as documented here: replaced-url
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• 685[04:27:27] <markybob> Guest50461: what he said. that's the only thing supported here. that's why i asked.
• 686[04:27:41] <Guest50461> NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-361.42.run
• 687[04:27:44] <markybob> Guest50461: it's for a reason. third party shit breaks things
• 688[04:27:49] <markybob> Guest50461: don't ever do that
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• 692[04:27:59] <jmcnaught> Guest50461: using the installer script from the nvidia website is not supported here, and can cause fun stuff to happen like "no more graphics after kernel updates." Take a look at replaced-url
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• 696[04:28:41] <Guest50461> ok, so how can i install the lastest nvidia drivers i need it to play steam games plz ?
• 697[04:29:08] <markybob> by following that wiki and the steam wiki from debian. not third party stuff which breaks everything
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• 701[04:29:45] <markybob> Guest50461: wiki.debian.org/Steam
• 702[04:29:48] <Guest50461> i saw that wiki but the driver are wayyy outdated
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• 704[04:30:01] <jmcnaught> Guest50461: jessie-backports has 352.79 available in a format that will get automatic upgrades with the rest of your packages (unlike the script you're using).
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• 706[04:30:34] <Guest50461> ok ty
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• 708[04:32:07] <markybob> Guest50461: do you know how to use jessie-backports?
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• 713[04:32:46] <markybob> now how you remove the nvidia things you already installed that broke things...*shrug*
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• 715[04:33:09] <DiscoDave> when trying to install debian i can connect to my wireless network the live cd, but as soon as i open the installer it doesnt work
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• 717[04:33:30] <DiscoDave> *with the live cd
• 718[04:33:43] <markybob> DiscoDave: you probably need the firmware installer cd
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• 720[04:33:55] <markybob> DiscoDave: cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/8.4.0/amd64/iso-cd/
• 721[04:34:04] <DiscoDave> but it works on the live installation
• 722[04:34:13] <markybob> there is live firmware
• 723[04:34:14] <DiscoDave> i literally just clicked the installer from the desktop
• 724[04:34:41] <markybob> live installer is buggy as fuck though
• 725[04:34:50] <DiscoDave> :S
• 726[04:36:40] <markybob> DiscoDave: you should pastebin lspci -nn and tell us how you're going to copy the iso to the medium
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• 728[04:37:40] <DiscoDave> replaced-url
• 729[04:37:45] <DiscoDave> i downloaded the mate one from there
• 730[04:37:51] <DiscoDave> and dd'd it on to a usb
• 731[04:38:08] <DiscoDave> and it seemed to work fine, because i was able to log in and partition my harddrive
• 732[04:38:39] <DiscoDave> the only issue im having is with the installer not connecting to the network, which is weird because i was able to connect fine with network-manager
• 733[04:38:46] <DiscoDave> so the firmware is installed
• 734[04:38:50] <markybob> if it works on live and not from install i have to blame it on being live. like i said it's buggy as shit.
• 735[04:38:53] <jmcnaught> DiscoDave: if you want UEFI support you need to use an installer image, live images don't support UEFI
• 736[04:39:03] <DiscoDave> i dont need uefi support
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• 740[04:39:43] <markybob> DiscoDave: the lead developer of live quit a couple months ago.
• 741[04:39:52] <DiscoDave> can i download an installer image with the non-free firmware already on it?
• 742[04:40:06] <markybob> DiscoDave: i gave you the link already
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• 744[04:40:45] <DiscoDave> oh my bad
• 745[04:41:03] <DiscoDave> i didnt realize it had the non free firmware
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• 747[04:42:55] <markybob> you should still do what i asked and pastebin the info. but if not that iso might work
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• 750[04:43:31] <DiscoDave> the lspci -nn from the live cd?
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• 753[04:43:46] <markybob> yes
• 754[04:43:54] <markybob> or you can just try and come back
• 755[04:43:59] <DiscoDave> :S i already turned it off
• 756[04:43:59] <markybob> doesn't much matter
• 757[04:44:07] <DiscoDave> im gonna put the iso on this stick and try it
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• 759[04:44:37] <markybob> must be nice :P i'm a cell tether. it'd take me forever to download that :/
• 760[04:44:58] <DiscoDave> whats a cell tether?
• 761[04:45:39] <markybob> i live in the middle of nowhere so there's no internet. only cell phones. my laptop gets internet from phone
• 762[04:46:16] <DiscoDave> ohh i understand now
• 763[04:46:21] <DiscoDave> that's rough
• 764[04:46:31] <jarray52> When using the debian puppet package, I'm getting the error message "certificate verify failed: [self signed certificate in certificate chain for /CN=Puppet CA:". This seems odd since the puppet master always self signs certificates.
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• 771[04:50:39] <DiscoDave> this iso works much better, ty
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• 773[04:51:30] <markybob> DiscoDave: awesome
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• 832[05:35:51] <x032cx> how do i forec systemd to pause for a passphrase during boot
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• 834[05:36:00] <x032cx> force*
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• 837[05:37:21] <themill> x032cx: what problem are you trying to solve?
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• 839[05:37:43] <themill> (why does it need to pause?)
• 840[05:37:51] <x032cx> just added a new drive and its encrypted
• 841[05:38:30] <x032cx> but i dont get to enter the passphrase at the prompt
• 842[05:39:22] <x032cx> the prompt just fliy by during the boot process
• 843[05:39:40] <themill> Ahh, you don't need to get the boot to pause, you just need to see a passwd prompt
• 844[05:39:56] <themill> Installing the "plymouth" package provides that
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• 848[05:40:32] <x032cx> i do see the prompt but it does not pause
• 849[05:40:43] <x032cx> no plymouth pkg here
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• 851[05:41:56] <x032cx> themill:i get to enter the passphrase much later when the process is stalled
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• 853[05:44:10] <x032cx> themill:no graphical interface here neither for plymouth
• 854[05:44:32] <themill> plymouth isn't graphical
• 855[05:45:00] <x032cx> themill:so what is the exact pkg name
• 856[05:45:05] <themill> plymouth
• 857[05:45:20] <themill> ,i plymouth'
• 858[05:45:21] <judd> No package named 'plymouth'' was found in jessie/amd64.
• 859[05:45:21] <themill> ,i plymouth
• 860[05:45:22] <judd> Package plymouth (misc, optional) in jessie/amd64: boot animation, logger and I/O multiplexer. Version: 0.9.0-9; Size: 184.2k; Installed: 801k; Homepage: replaced-url
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• 862[05:46:29] <x032cx> themill:so this pkg will force the prompt for the passphrase
• 863[05:47:22] <themill> it separates output spew to the terminal from interactivity, yes. ("I/O multiplexer")
• 864[05:47:38] <x032cx> good, thx
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• 872[05:54:13] <zykotick9> themill: i'm confused. i use encrypted lvm and don't have plymouth installed...
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• 875[05:54:55] <markybob> zykotick9: why are you confused? most of us don't
• 876[05:55:24] <themill> there are undoubtedly other ways of doing this, but this is the way that the systemd maintainers recommended getting this multiplexing working
• 877[05:55:45] <zykotick9> markybob: well, it seemed, by themill's description that in order to see a luks password prompt, plymouth would be required?!?! <- i must be confused...
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• 881[05:58:14] <x032cx> zykotick9:the issue is not to see the luks password prompt only, but also to wait of it to be entered
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• 886[05:58:56] <zykotick9> x032cx: ya... and that part I don't really get... but I guess this isn't the / partition. good luck.
• 887[05:59:08] <x032cx> haha
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• 892[06:00:44] <DiscoDave> is there an easy way to install refind on debian?
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• 895[06:02:44] <markybob> DiscoDave: mac i assume?
• 896[06:02:52] <DiscoDave> no
• 897[06:02:53] <DiscoDave> hp
• 898[06:02:57] <Tirn> Evening all! Why is it that I'm not able to run Debian from USB (full install), although it works with other Distros? Thx!
• 899[06:03:01] <markybob> so why?
• 900[06:03:27] <markybob> Tirn: how did you copy the iso to the usb?
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• 903[06:04:24] <DiscoDave> so there is no easy way to install refind from debian?
• 904[06:04:32] <themill> Tirn: perhaps you could expand on what you tried and in what way it didn't work
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• 906[06:04:58] <Tirn> @markybob The instalation USB works fine, but I would like to do a full instal to another USB
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• 908[06:05:21] <markybob> DiscoDave: there is a wiki on it. i've never used it. wish you'd answer why. replaced-url
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• 910[06:05:52] <DiscoDave> because i used it before to dual boot ubuntu and window 7 and it worked perfectly on this laptop
• 911[06:06:01] <markybob> Tirn: then we need more info like themill said
• 912[06:06:24] <markybob> DiscoDave: that's not a good reason
• 913[06:06:38] <DiscoDave> :S
• 914[06:06:40] <DiscoDave> why not
• 915[06:07:00] <markybob> DiscoDave: debian's installer should autodetect windows 7 and set up grub so you can dual boot. no need to worry about other things
• 916[06:07:08] <DiscoDave> well it didnt :S
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• 919[06:07:30] <Tirn> Thx guys, but I am just using a second USB drive as a destination for a full instal (with / and Swap). The installation works fine, but on boot I just get a black screen. This procedure works fine with Ubuntu, Mint, etc.
• 920[06:07:34] <markybob> DiscoDave: are you using secure boot?
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• 922[06:07:38] <DiscoDave> no
• 923[06:07:49] <DiscoDave> legacy
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• 925[06:08:29] <markybob> DiscoDave: did you use live ?
• 926[06:08:33] <DiscoDave> no
• 927[06:08:34] <zykotick9> Tirn: did you select grub to be installed on the USB <- was it obvious which device was your USB for grub install?
• 928[06:08:36] <DiscoDave> i used the iso you sent me
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• 930[06:08:59] <markybob> sorry i talk to too many people to remember
• 931[06:09:13] <Tirn> it also worked fine with Debian 7. Not anymore with Debian 8. Yup, Grub destination is the USB drive I'm installing to
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• 933[06:09:16] <mr_ws> my /etc/debian_versian says 8.4. i don't have a kernel.panic_on_warn.
• 934[06:09:25] <mr_ws> how do i set my system to panic when a WARN() is called?
• 935[06:09:36] <themill> Tirn: at what stage do you get a black screen?
• 936[06:09:39] <mr_ws> can i boot with the parameter panic_on_warn? does that work?
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• 940[06:10:07] <jmcnaught> DiscoDave: i might be wrong because i've never used refind, but i thought it was an UEFI tool, not for legacy/bios booting
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• 942[06:10:43] <Tirn> @themill after reboot and selecting the said USB I installed on. With other distros the Grub menu shows up
• 943[06:10:46] <markybob> jmcnaught: that was my understanding as well
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• 945[06:11:19] <Tirn> running Mint Mate that way now, but would like to be able to do it with Deb 8
• 946[06:11:42] <themill> Tirn: selecting as the boot device? Are you sure you installed grub on the usb stick?
• 947[06:11:47] <x032cx> themill:it looks like its been some change when the prompt appears but still the same problem
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• 949[06:13:03] <Tirn> yes, did the installation twice to get sure...that was also my first reaction... I can also locate the Boot/Grub folder on the pen
• 950[06:13:28] <x032cx> themill:I no see a started Dispatch for password on console but the crypt process is halted down the road until i enter the password
• 951[06:13:36] <x032cx> now*
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• 954[06:14:19] <themill> x032cx: so it is working?
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• 956[06:15:02] <x032cx> themill:no it is not working, the password is not entered at the promt
• 957[06:16:25] <x032cx> themill:there is someting i quit can't pinpoint that causes the prompt to just flyby
• 958[06:18:07] <x032cx> what is the conflict between kbd and console-tools
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• 969[06:27:10] <x032cx> themill:anymore ideas
• 970[06:27:34] <themill> x032cx: sounds like you've done everything I normally do
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• 972[06:28:24] <x032cx> themill:well, it seems to me that systemd is causing this issue
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• 974[06:28:57] <themill> well, it's the (lack of) interaction between bits
• 975[06:29:41] <x032cx> themill:any links where plymouth is discussed regarding this IO issue
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• 979[06:30:48] <themill> Not off the top of my head and trying to find sensible discussion when the string "systemd" is involved is difficult as the S/N tends to immediately plummet with people more interested in ranting than anything else :(
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• 983[06:31:50] <x032cx> ok, no worries this just anoying does not prevent for passphrase entry
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• 986[06:34:23] <x032cx> just reverting the changes for now until i investigate further
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• 991[06:41:03] <jim> when installing apcupsd, I get: update-rc.d: warning: start runlevel arguments (1 2 3 4 5) do not match apcupsd Default-Start values (2 3 4 5)
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• 998[06:45:30] <markybob> how slow is your colocation's generatros?
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• 1000[06:45:46] <markybob> i don't have to worry at all
• 1001[06:46:07] <markybob> spelled correctly
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• 1003[06:47:01] <x032cx> hm, that is not what i expected
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• 1032[07:08:11] <space_> nvm found some Fglrx stuff I still had installed causing conflicks
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• 1128[08:18:24] <spigot> so once my laptop goes to sleep once, it only stays awake long enough to go back to sleep, no matter how much batter, ac power, gdm shutdown, upowerd shutdown... a reboot fixes it until the next sleep
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• 1167[08:50:10] <mi11k1> anybody know anything about docker? im having problems heres dmesg, replaced-url
• 1168[08:50:25] <mi11k1> with grep device-mapper
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• 1202[09:15:39] <mi11k1> Does anybody know, how to get CPU freq to not ask for a password?
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• 1211[09:19:09] <han-solo> how can use grep to find a word in a file?
• 1212[09:19:43] <han-solo> like i want to find a word in a file that stating with hello
• 1213[09:19:54] <han-solo> grep \<hello\>?
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• 1215[09:20:42] <mi11k1> i do cat filename | grep word
• 1216[09:21:07] <han-solo> i know that
• 1217[09:21:08] <aypea[1]> grep word filename also works :)
• 1218[09:21:29] <han-solo> i mean, "if this sentence has hello in it"
• 1219[09:21:44] <elky> don't forget -i for case insensitivity
• 1220[09:21:46] <aypea[1]> han: so you want to find an actual word, right?
• 1221[09:21:55] <han-solo> yeah
• 1222[09:22:05] <aypea[1]> han: grep --help and check -w
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• 1224[09:22:16] <han-solo> sentence like "this sentence has dummyhello"
• 1225[09:22:29] <han-solo> i don't want this to be poped up
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• 1227[09:23:09] <han-solo> ofcourse elky
• 1228[09:23:26] <mi11k1> egrep -R "word-1|word-2” directory-path
• 1229[09:23:56] <han-solo> thanks mi11k1
• 1230[09:24:03] <han-solo> thanks aypea
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• 1232[09:24:11] <aypea[1]> no worries :)
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• 1234[09:24:57] <themill> That doesn't do what you want according to my understanding of your question
• 1235[09:25:10] <mi11k1> yah, i dunno
• 1236[09:25:13] <han-solo> yeah
• 1237[09:25:18] <han-solo> i was checking that
• 1238[09:25:22] <mi11k1> replaced-url
• 1239[09:25:26] <han-solo> although they did try to help
• 1240[09:25:28] <aypea[1]> mine will
• 1241[09:25:29] <themill> (-w does though, depending on your meaning of "word")
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• 1243[09:26:17] <han-solo> i wanted to find the lines with the word "hello" in it, not just "he" or "dummyhello"
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• 1245[09:26:37] <aypea[1]> go forth. try -w. see if it does what you want.
• 1246[09:26:46] <han-solo> cat file.txt | grep --color=auto hell*
• 1247[09:26:50] <mi11k1> match specific string
• 1248[09:29:17] <mi11k1> my docker is broken, anybody know something about docker??
• 1249[09:29:21] <han-solo> it strips the line after the first match
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• 1251[09:31:05] <mi11k1> han-solo, what about awk?
• 1252[09:31:44] <han-solo> should look into it
• 1253[09:32:12] <mi11k1> i dont know anything about it, but i have some conky stuff that uses it
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• 1255[09:32:36] <mi11k1> im looking at the man page now, its over my head
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• 1257[09:33:42] <mi11k1> that or egrep
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• 1261[09:35:53] <han-solo> yeah thanks
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• 1273[09:49:44] <dutchfish> hi, reinstalled my system debian 8 x86/64 and apper in kde along with apt-config-auto-update from bpo and pk-update-icon. Somehow dispite reading alot on the wiki pages i am unabble to let the system check for new updates. Any hints?
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• 1282[09:53:18] <JyZyXEL> what name is the libgtk 3.0 devel package in debian?
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• 1286[09:55:07] <dutchfish> libgtk-3-dev ?
• 1287[09:55:30] <JyZyXEL> haha, gtk2 was "libgtk2.0-dev"
• 1288[09:55:41] <JyZyXEL> so naturally i was trying to search with "libgtk3"
• 1289[09:56:27] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, well, what about apt-file search libgtk | grep dev ?
• 1290[09:57:11] <JyZyXEL> yeah, well, that didn't happen
• 1291[09:57:24] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, fair enough, have fun.
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• 1296[09:59:26] <JyZyXEL> i doubt it, because the lib is too outdated :p
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• 1300[10:01:40] <dutchfish> ,versions libgtk-3-dev
• 1301[10:01:41] <judd> Package: libgtk-3-dev on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.4.2-7; wheezy-proposed-updates: 3.4.2-7+deb7u1; jessie: 3.14.5-1+deb8u1; stretch: 3.20.3-2; sid: 3.20.4-1
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• 1318[10:13:27] <oafdskl> I wanted to encrypt my usb device and typed some wrong commands. Now my boot is very slow. There are messages like "Failed to initialize dm devices" and "a stop job is running".
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• 1322[10:18:35] <oafdskl> Clean install didn't help to solve slow boot. Would new partitioning with gparted help?
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• 1324[10:18:40] <hmir> Hi guys. When I run sensors, It shows my cpu fan speed at 0 rpm. The fan is claerly running, and is correctly being detected and monitored in BIUS. I've run sensors-detect, but no go. Any ideas?
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• 1327[10:19:36] <countbackula> Computer model?
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• 1334[10:22:23] <teraflops> Not al mobos/models support all the sensors.
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• 1339[10:23:16] <hmir> It's a haswell msi h81m-e with a pentium g3240 proc.
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• 1343[10:24:32] <mi11k1> hmir, did you see if there was a bios update?
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• 1346[10:24:59] <hmir> Bios is already detecting and monitoring the fans just fine.
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• 1349[10:25:06] <mi11k1> yah, but
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• 1351[10:25:28] <mi11k1> i just read a few quick things that ppl were having problems with that setup
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• 1353[10:25:53] <hmir> Can you please paste the link?
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• 1357[10:29:07] <mi11k1> hmir, i just did a google search a skimmed through a bunch of stuff, stuff related seem to be something with restarting and something about fans, i dunno
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• 1360[10:30:14] <mi11k1> but teraflops is right, it might just be as simple as not being supported
• 1361[10:31:25] <mi11k1> sometimes theres an option in bios to enable the os to have control or something like that
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• 1364[10:32:17] <hmir> No such option for me. =(
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• 1367[10:32:27] <mi11k1> hmir, what desktop are you using?
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• 1369[10:32:42] <mi11k1> desktop environment?
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• 1371[10:33:53] <mi11k1> can you send me a pic of the bios info screen?
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• 1376[10:37:44] <mi11k1> im sick of msi, ive lost 2 mobos for no reason over the last year, just dead, no misuse or overclocking, just stopped working, really made me upset, considering every old piece of hardware i own works fine.
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• 1382[10:40:21] <cynicallemon> mi11k1, i used msi years back and they were crap, turned to asus and stuck with them
• 1383[10:40:46] <jml2> mi11k1, asus works well here
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• 1386[10:41:02] <jml2> cynicallemon, i concur :p
• 1387[10:41:04] <mi11k1> im down to a p4, athlon single core, pentium M, and some other old thing
• 1388[10:41:28] <mi11k1> all together, kind of make things happen
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• 1391[10:43:02] <mi11k1> and i dont know why, everytime i give ubuntu a whirl, i regret it
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• 1394[10:43:32] <mi11k1> seems good at first, and then something annoying will happen
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• 1400[10:47:16] <cynicallemon> mi11k1, yep that about sums up ubuntu for me
• 1401[10:47:35] <PaulePanter> Hi. Any idea what replaced-url
• 1402[10:47:45] <cynicallemon> i was keen to try 16.04 and it lasted about an hour
• 1403[10:47:46] <PaulePanter> … from replaced-url
• 1404[10:47:46] <mi11k1> bloated with with all sorts of weird colors
• 1405[10:47:55] <PaulePanter> Marriage, divorce?
• 1406[10:48:11] <jim> is standard now a task to install those packages/.
• 1407[10:48:13] <jim> ?
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• 1409[10:49:09] <mi11k1> jessie lite on rpi3 is pretty sweet
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• 1411[10:50:00] <cynicallemon> rpi is still poor for disk and network throughput
• 1412[10:50:06] <cynicallemon> but its cheap
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• 1414[10:50:17] <mi11k1> i know, but this one is way better
• 1415[10:50:36] <cynicallemon> ive heard it is
• 1416[10:50:42] <mi11k1> too bad the built on wifi wont go into mon
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• 1419[10:51:32] <mi11k1> i was getting good throughput using it as an access point with dnsmasq, i forget what speed i was getting, like 30 mbit i guess
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• 1422[10:55:24] <hmir> Just wanted to confirm, when adding new hardware, debian will auto-detext and load the correct modules for it in most cases at boot time, correct?
• 1423[10:56:44] <mi11k1> pretty much
• 1424[10:56:53] <mi11k1> enable non-free
• 1425[10:57:03] <mi11k1> what is the hardware
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• 1430[10:59:49] <mi11k1> hmir, what are you installing?
• 1431[11:00:04] <hmir> So, I should enable non-free and then do a update/upgrade first before installing hte hardware just in case?
• 1432[11:00:15] <hmir> soundblast x-fi
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• 1436[11:00:35] <hmir> soundblast x-fi titanium pci-e x1
• 1437[11:00:36] <pyface> i want to create some kind of container (think truecrypt or similar,except encryption isn't vital) .. to make it easy to backup shizz (one container file vs hundreds of files). im really just wanting to backup my stuff to amazon s3 quite frequently. what program would be suitable for this?
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• 1440[11:00:47] <mi11k1> enable non-free and install firmware-linux-nonfree package
• 1441[11:01:17] <hmir> Alright, will do, thanks.
• 1442[11:01:18] <cynicallemon> hmir, enable non-free, update/upgrade and install firmware-linux package
• 1443[11:02:05] <cynicallemon> firmware-linux is a meta package for both free and non-free firmware
• 1444[11:02:32] <mi11k1> hmir, replaced-url
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• 1446[11:02:49] <mi11k1> cynicallemon, thats good to know
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• 1450[11:04:32] <cynicallemon> replaced-url
• 1451[11:04:56] <qmr> pyface: backup is not a verb. you back up your data then you have a backup.
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• 1455[11:05:53] <pyface> thank you mr pedantic (:
• 1456[11:06:06] <jubo2> qmr: you back up your data, make sure the back up works in case you need it and then you've backed up
• 1457[11:06:22] <teraflops> Also consider to encrypt your shit if you are going to upload it to the _cloud_
• 1458[11:06:45] <cynicallemon> use tarsnap
• 1459[11:06:46] <qmr> we are able to communicate because specific words have specific meanings. muddying language is dangerous.
• 1460[11:06:46] <pyface> i was a truecrypt user , but .. er.. ye.. awkward
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• 1462[11:06:56] <pyface> so much for that
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• 1464[11:07:42] <qmr> see also set up / setup , log in / login
• 1465[11:07:48] <hmir> Does amazons3 do differential uploading like dropbox?
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• 1469[11:11:14] <pyface> dunno
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• 1490[11:23:56] <urine535> burn all jews in oven
• 1491[11:23:59] <urine535> death to infidels
• 1492[11:24:00] <urine535> allahu akhbar
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• 1494[11:24:53] <pyface> allahu catbar you mean
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• 1496[11:25:13] <mi11k1> nice
• 1497[11:25:34] <pyface> replaced-url
• 1498[11:25:37] <_ebola_> reported to Orimattila police department
• 1499[11:25:49] <mi11k1> whats wrong with my bash? unzip cgbash: command substitution: line 900: syntax error near unexpected token `done'bash: command substitution: line 900: ` done'
• 1500[11:26:01] <urine535> god bless allah
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• 1503[11:26:30] <uptime> urine535: Please stop that
• 1504[11:26:34] <sbine> ... mmmmh
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• 1506[11:26:58] <urine535> feces are righteous # feces are righteous ### feces are righteous ### feces are righteous ### feces are righteous ### feces are righteous ### feces are righteous ### feces are righteous ### feces are righteous ### feces are righteous ### feces are righteous ### feces are righteous ### feces are righteous ### feces are righteous ### feces are righteous ### feces are righteous # feces are
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• 1509[11:27:10] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o uptime
• 1510[11:27:11] *** uptime sets mode: +q-o *!*@85-76-15-154-nat.elisa-mobile.fi uptime
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• 1513[11:29:00] <digidog> uptime: I assume this is a bot
• 1514[11:29:15] <uptime> digidog: hmm?
• 1515[11:29:16] <digidog> all you cvan do is learn to use the ignore command in your chat application
• 1516[11:29:52] <digidog> uptime: sry, bot is not the right word. but I think its a script running this posts
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• 1518[11:30:15] <uptime> Ah, they're quieted now regardless, so it's fine :)
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• 1520[11:30:47] <digidog> uptime: :)
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• 1522[11:31:02] <digidog> uptime++
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• 1525[11:34:46] <jackcom> bash: zip: command not found <—— what’s wrong?
• 1526[11:35:45] <digidog> jackcom: not installed ? o.@
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• 1528[11:35:55] <jackcom> i don’t know
• 1529[11:36:05] <jackcom> how can i installl it?
• 1530[11:36:20] <sbine> jackcom: aptitude install zip?
• 1531[11:36:27] <jackcom> oh thanks
• 1532[11:36:33] <digidog> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install (choose your zip-aware package here)
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• 1534[11:37:12] <Nitori> Am I the only one who uses aptitude? Is aptitude actually recommended?
• 1535[11:37:19] <teraflops> jackcom: if you're going to use debian consider spend some time learning to use the package manager
• 1536[11:37:34] <jackcom> teraflops: how?
• 1537[11:37:39] <teraflops> Reading
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• 1539[11:38:21] <teraflops> jackcom: replaced-url
• 1540[11:38:45] <jackcom> Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: Permission denied)
• 1541[11:38:46] <jackcom> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
• 1542[11:38:55] <jackcom> thanks teraflops
• 1543[11:38:56] <TomTomTosch> jackcom: debian is extensively documented. the FAQ is a good place to get a general overview. replaced-url
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• 1545[11:39:09] <TomTomTosch> jackcom: you need to run it as root.
• 1546[11:39:10] <teraflops> Np
• 1547[11:39:17] <jackcom> root
• 1548[11:39:26] <jackcom> how i can run it root?
• 1549[11:39:28] <teraflops> Sudo is ok
• 1550[11:39:29] <jackcom> as root?
• 1551[11:39:42] <jackcom> bash: sudo: command not found
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• 1553[11:39:52] <digidog> Nitori: no but when a "new" user asks for installing I rather prefer to recommend apt-get since it confuses new users reading apt-get then in the Debian docs.
• 1554[11:39:55] <TomTomTosch> jackcom: you type in su and then the password. afterwards you can install sudo.
• 1555[11:39:56] <tulphoon> then do: su <root's password>
• 1556[11:39:59] <jackcom> thanks TomTomTosch
• 1557[11:40:06] <tulphoon> then apt-get install sudo
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• 1560[11:40:28] <tulphoon> then you need to edit your sudoers file, to give yourself access to sudo, you run command "visudo" as root and you edit it
• 1561[11:40:35] <jackcom> oh
• 1562[11:40:44] <jackcom> su -l?
• 1563[11:40:48] <jackcom> instead of su?
• 1564[11:41:20] <tulphoon> and basically there will be entry for "root" account, just copy it and replace root with your account name
• 1565[11:41:23] <tulphoon> just use su
• 1566[11:41:25] <tulphoon> should work.
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• 1568[11:41:47] <jackcom> ok thanks
• 1569[11:42:08] <TomTomTosch> tulphoon: all one needs to do is add the user to the sudo group. the sudoers file already has an entry for the sudo group.
• 1570[11:42:57] <tulphoon> TomTomTosch: i always add myself to the visudo file
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• 1572[11:43:21] <tulphoon> well, depends on what he wants to do really, but adding to group could be better
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• 1583[11:45:06] <jackcom> zip warning: missing end signature--probably not a zip file (did you
• 1584[11:45:07] <jackcom> zip warning: remember to use binary mode when you transferred it?)
• 1585[11:45:08] <teraflops> I guess Vi sounds hard for jackcom or that I infer from what I read
• 1586[11:45:08] <jackcom> zip warning: (if you are trying to read a damaged archive try -F)
• 1587[11:45:08] <jackcom> zip error: Zip file structure invalid (session.txt)
• 1588[11:45:12] <jackcom> what’s wrong?
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• 1592[11:46:29] <tulphoon> you tried to unzip file that is called "session.txt"
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• 1594[11:46:48] <tulphoon> before trying to unzip a file, check if it's zip using "file" command e.g. file session.txt
• 1595[11:47:04] <tulphoon> or any file you want to unzip :)
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• 1598[11:47:47] <jackcom> ok thanks
• 1599[11:47:50] <jackcom> :)
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• 1615[11:59:37] <jackcom> ifconfig
• 1616[11:59:37] <jackcom> bash: ifconfig: command not found
• 1617[11:59:39] <cybrNaut> ZFS has finally made it to debian
• 1618[11:59:39] <jackcom> lol
• 1619[11:59:58] <cybrNaut> anyone know if it will be able to /boot/ ZFS?
• 1620[12:00:16] <TomTomTosch> jackcom: /sbin/ifconfig
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• 1622[12:00:40] <cybrNaut> ref replaced-url
• 1623[12:00:44] <jackcom> TomTomTosch: thanks Debian is too inconvinient
• 1624[12:00:46] <jackcom> :(
• 1625[12:01:15] <JyZyXEL> im starting to get really fed up with how hard it is to install bleeding-edge software on debian stable :\
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• 1627[12:01:44] <TomTomTosch> JyZyXEL: if you want bleeding-edge debian stable is not for you.
• 1628[12:02:12] <countbackula> yayyyy
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• 1630[12:02:25] <JyZyXEL> TomTomTosch: perhaps testing would be better suited, but it doesn't get security updates
• 1631[12:02:31] <teraflops> Also what do you mean by bleeding edge?
• 1632[12:02:36] <TomTomTosch> "im starting to get really fed up teaching my pet stone italian."
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• 1635[12:04:11] <JyZyXEL> i wish i could just run stable/testing/unstable all in parallel
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• 1639[12:04:37] <TomTomTosch> you can, debootstrap + chroot
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• 1641[12:05:31] <teraflops> Or pinning or whatever is used now. Not a good idea but whatever floats your boat
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• 1647[12:08:10] <JyZyXEL> im not quite sure how chroot would work
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• 1659[12:09:43] <JyZyXEL> i wonder if i could use Qemu from within a unstable LXC running on jessie
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• 1662[12:10:08] <TomTomTosch> you use debootstrap to pull any debian version into a directory and use chroot to run stuff in that environment.
• 1663[12:11:03] <JyZyXEL> TomTomTosch: so i could debootstrap unstable into my jessie and run latest Qemu from there?
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• 1666[12:12:30] <JyZyXEL> TomTomTosch: and could i even run the plasma desktop 5 from that?
• 1667[12:12:41] * TomTomTosch shrugs
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• 1669[12:13:01] <teraflops> Heh
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• 1672[12:15:02] <mi11k1> JyZyXEL, docker?
• 1673[12:15:33] <JyZyXEL> isn't docker pretty much same as lxc?
• 1674[12:15:50] <JyZyXEL> mi11k1: he was talking about chroot
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• 1676[12:17:05] <mi11k1> i dunno, it works pretty good, its like vm with way less resource requirements
• 1677[12:17:09] <JyZyXEL> what does the intel graphics kernel driver say when you try to have two different Xorgs running with video drivers?
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• 1679[12:17:40] <JyZyXEL> and does Qemu and libvirt work from within chroot/lxc/docker?
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• 1681[12:18:09] <JyZyXEL> testing/unstable would make a much better environment to run Qemu & libvirt in
• 1682[12:18:36] <JyZyXEL> jessie is too old to even compile upstream qemu with all the bells and whistles
• 1683[12:19:13] <mi11k1> what do you wanna virtualize?
• 1684[12:19:28] <mi11k1> what purpose?
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• 1687[12:19:57] <JyZyXEL> i virtualize a windows 7 machine for Gaming and DAW
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• 1690[12:21:06] <mi11k1> ive tried qemu/kvm libvirt, i thibk virtualbox is the simplest
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• 1692[12:21:34] <JyZyXEL> qemu is by-far the best in terms of performance and reliability
• 1693[12:21:37] <jim> how can I see the metapackages selectable using task select?
• 1694[12:21:58] <mi11k1> even vmware i think is pain
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• 1696[12:22:15] <JyZyXEL> but jessie is simply getting too old to run Qemu on
• 1697[12:22:32] <mi11k1> for gaming, maybe just dual boot
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• 1699[12:23:01] <mi11k1> so why dont you run stretch or sid?
• 1700[12:23:19] <JyZyXEL> because then my whole host experience becomes unsecure/unstable
• 1701[12:23:39] <mi11k1> dual boot debian and share /home or whatever
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• 1703[12:24:45] <JyZyXEL> no, i need the VM running concurrently with my desktop
• 1704[12:25:07] <mi11k1> ive come to find that you cant quite have every single thing you want all at once and be perfect.
• 1705[12:25:14] <JyZyXEL> and id rather not ruin my whole stable desktop just so that i can install latest qemu/libvirt
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• 1707[12:25:40] <mi11k1> cant you build it?
• 1708[12:25:50] <mi11k1> whats in jessie-backports?
• 1709[12:25:59] <JyZyXEL> not on jessie i can not
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• 1711[12:26:32] <JyZyXEL> and it is becoming increasingly hard to do so of course
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• 1719[12:31:17] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, maybe you should consider containers?
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• 1721[12:32:38] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, replaced-url
• 1722[12:33:07] <JyZyXEL> dutchfish: yeah i started looking into if its possible to run Qemu from within a container
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• 1724[12:33:45] <mi11k1> thats sounds kind of silly no?
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• 1728[12:36:26] <mi11k1> whats wrong with the current qemu? sid has qemu (1:2.5+dfsg-5 and others) and jessie-backports has qemu (1:2.5+dfsg-4~bpo8+1)
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• 1730[12:37:05] <JyZyXEL> i have my own compile options that i use for building qemu
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• 1732[12:37:23] <JyZyXEL> enables debugging and some experimental features that i use
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• 1735[12:37:51] <mi11k1> and it wont build from deb-src easily?
• 1736[12:37:53] <nickgaw> Hi, How do I remove build dependencies that I am finished with for a given package or do I have to remove them manually?
• 1737[12:37:54] <JyZyXEL> i can not develop qemu if i can't have the latest version to test with
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• 1740[12:39:08] <mi11k1> you can have it, but youre wanting to develop with you "stable desktop"
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• 1743[12:40:02] <wigust> nickgaw, how did you install them?
• 1744[12:40:15] <nickgaw> using apt-get build-dep.
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• 1748[12:42:31] <wigust> nickgaw, then as i know they marked like manually installed, check this replaced-url
• 1749[12:42:49] <mi11k1> i just use 2 machines most of the time and use x2x
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• 1751[12:43:03] <nickgaw> ok i will look at that page.
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• 1790[12:57:47] <JyZyXEL> dutchfish: im thinking a simple chroot might suffice in this case however
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• 1806[13:02:54] <wigust> JyZyXEL, chroot is not secure at all
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• 1809[13:03:11] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, not tried that, but i use xen for some things and containers are more likely for what you want, probably.
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• 1811[13:04:50] <qmr> xen?
• 1812[13:04:55] <qmr> 2004 called, they want their shit back
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• 1814[13:05:13] <JyZyXEL> dutchfish: i would run the qemu container with full access to everything, so i might as well just do a chroot?
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• 1820[13:06:05] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, i don't think so. But delve into containers a bit more.
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• 1823[13:06:26] <JyZyXEL> what would be the problem?
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• 1826[13:06:38] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, process separation.
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• 1829[13:08:21] <JyZyXEL> dutchfish: ah, you mean with just a chroot, all the processes from unstable/sid would appear on my hosts process list?
• 1830[13:08:40] <JyZyXEL> where as Docker would encapsulate all those inside a Docker process?
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• 1832[13:08:52] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, basically yes and some worse things along to that
• 1833[13:09:05] <JyZyXEL> worse things?
• 1834[13:09:11] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, security.
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• 1836[13:10:01] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, and also performance once you contained them.
• 1837[13:10:11] <JyZyXEL> it wouldn't be any less secure than running/building the qemu directly on the Host, like i do now
• 1838[13:10:37] <JyZyXEL> performance is better with Docker?
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• 1842[13:11:49] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, performance is better inside containers, there is much less overhead then other virtualisation and easier to contain security. But this is going far to general inside a chat. I really ure you to delve into it.
• 1843[13:12:04] <dutchfish> s/ure/urge
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• 1845[13:12:17] <JyZyXEL> dutchfish: but we were talking about chroot vs Docker
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• 1847[13:12:32] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, forget chroot for what you want.
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• 1850[13:12:55] <JyZyXEL> i don't think there would be much performance difference, other than from the fact that Docker encapsulates everything into one process
• 1851[13:13:21] <JyZyXEL> that of course causes a performance difference because of the host scheduler
• 1852[13:13:28] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, there is a reason why containers are pretty well supported inside the kernel, also read about openstack.
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• 1854[13:14:43] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, read the fine manuals, and ask in here if you have specific questions when it comes to the debian side of things.
• 1855[13:15:29] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, it is however a ferm read ;)
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• 1859[13:16:28] <JyZyXEL> alternatively i could just make static builds of qemu inside a unstable/sid chroot and run them on jessie
• 1860[13:17:10] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, for experiments that would do, but don't deply that life. My 2 cents.
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• 1862[13:17:18] <dutchfish> deploy*
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• 1865[13:18:36] <JyZyXEL> that way i wouldn't need to run qemu from a chroot or a container and there would be no overhead
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• 1868[13:19:21] <JyZyXEL> though im not sure if there even would be any overhead if i simply run the resulting build straight from the chroot
• 1869[13:19:30] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, to my humble opinion, you are asking for big trouble on the next point upgrade. You have been warned.
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• 1871[13:20:22] <JyZyXEL> *shrug* hows so? i don't see why any of this would affect point upgrades?
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• 1876[13:24:56] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, think it over and delve into the alternatives i and others have pointed out. It won't hurt to extend your knowledge about the possibilities and how to coop with containment and security. I have to leave it there for now.
• 1877[13:28:02] <JyZyXEL> why would i care about that for a system that is only used to build/run Qemu
• 1878[13:28:25] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, thats a question i can not answer for you.
• 1879[13:28:35] <JyZyXEL> neither can i
• 1880[13:29:20] <JyZyXEL> i simply have no use for advanced containment and security features in this scenario
• 1881[13:29:34] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, it depends on your final goal for it.
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• 1885[13:34:11] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, furthermore KVM/Qemu is nice, but hairy if you want bleading edge on a stable system.
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• 1887[13:35:43] <JyZyXEL> dutchfish: and that is exactly why im setting up a sid/unstable chroot/container so i can get the bleeding-edge Qemu + libvirt(possibly)
• 1888[13:36:39] <JyZyXEL> it does get way hairy when trying to figure out how to do this on jessie
• 1889[13:36:46] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, you prolly end up with a newer kernel, lots of things backporting if possible at all. But let me know how it went.
• 1890[13:37:01] <mi11k1> what are you using for container?
• 1891[13:37:04] <JyZyXEL> dutchfish: i've already been running jessie with backported kernel for years
• 1892[13:37:45] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, fair enough.
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• 1895[13:38:48] <mi11k1> im going to try and build qemu in a few mins n a jessie vm, just for fun
• 1896[13:39:00] <JyZyXEL> mi11k1: ill start by debootstrapping a sid/unstable chroot and build&install Qemu in there and then try to run it from there as well
• 1897[13:39:30] <mi11k1> im kinda new, i dont fully understand how debootstraping works
• 1898[13:39:57] <mi11k1> i was looking into it cause i have a p4 i wanted to try some stuff with
• 1899[13:40:10] <dutchfish> mi11k1, replaced-url
• 1900[13:40:14] <mi11k1> i needed isolation
• 1901[13:40:17] <Rephlexie> ^
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• 1903[13:40:57] <mi11k1> oh, i followed that stuff
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• 1905[13:41:14] <JyZyXEL> yesterday i was looking into running this stable host on top of the Qubes OS :)
• 1906[13:41:27] <mi11k1> but it was doing way to much work, and i didnt kniw if thats what i wanted
• 1907[13:41:59] <mi11k1> i wish docker ran on i386
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• 1910[13:43:31] <mi11k1> "A reasonably secure operating system" best slogan ever
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• 1915[13:46:23] <mi11k1> that qubes thing looks kinda neat
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• 1919[13:47:15] <zZap-X> i have a old Apple Powerbook G4 PPC. and Debian Jessie is installed on it
• 1920[13:47:31] <zZap-X> i have installed i3 window manager, however, it keeps on booting into XFCE
• 1921[13:47:37] <zZap-X> how can one fix this
• 1922[13:47:45] <mi11k1> .xinitrc?
• 1923[13:47:51] <mi11k1> what dm ?
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• 1925[13:48:11] <zZap-X> i want it to boot into i3 wm
• 1926[13:48:21] <mi11k1> what display manager?
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• 1928[13:48:25] <mi11k1> lightdm?
• 1929[13:48:30] <zZap-X> i am not sure
• 1930[13:48:36] <zZap-X> i did a default xfce install
• 1931[13:48:42] <zZap-X> when i installed it
• 1932[13:48:56] <zZap-X> is there a way to check
• 1933[13:48:57] <mi11k1> check to see if you have a file in your home called .xinitrc
• 1934[13:49:01] <zZap-X> ok
• 1935[13:49:22] <mi11k1> whats the exec for i3? i3-session?
• 1936[13:49:27] <zZap-X> i dont have that file
• 1937[13:49:38] <mi11k1> make it, and put i3
• 1938[13:49:50] <zZap-X> oh is that all
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• 1940[13:49:51] <Ingvix> anyone with owncloud? After editing config.php should I restart some services or does it refresh things on its own?
• 1941[13:50:12] <mi11k1> zZap-X, maybe
• 1942[13:50:37] <mi11k1> you might have to tweak something else
• 1943[13:50:45] <mi11k1> does it autologin?
• 1944[13:51:02] <zZap-X> i type my username and pw then xfce loads
• 1945[13:51:11] <zZap-X> .xinitrc i3 didnt work
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• 1947[13:51:20] <mi11k1> isnt there a button on the top right to pick your wm?
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• 1949[13:51:31] <zZap-X> on xfce?
• 1950[13:51:51] <mi11k1> usually when you put in your name and pass you can select desktop enviro
• 1951[13:52:00] <zZap-X> oh lets check
• 1952[13:52:29] <zZap-X> oh you clever sod, there is :D
• 1953[13:52:39] <zZap-X> excellent
• 1954[13:52:40] <mi11k1> oh geeze, lol
• 1955[13:52:48] <zZap-X> debian is the only decent PPC distro left
• 1956[13:53:06] <zZap-X> i dont use linux desktops much
• 1957[13:53:11] <zZap-X> just console only
• 1958[13:53:21] <mi11k1> thats all i use now
• 1959[13:53:38] <zZap-X> ace
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• 1962[13:53:44] <zZap-X> i3 will be super nice on a g4
• 1963[13:53:49] <mi11k1> the only thing i truly miss is adobe products
• 1964[13:54:18] <zZap-X> i have a mac for that stuff
• 1965[13:54:35] <mi11k1> i used too, spilled water on it
• 1966[13:54:41] <mi11k1> intel pro
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• 1968[13:54:45] <zZap-X> aye
• 1969[13:55:00] <mi11k1> its such biotch installing that os though
• 1970[13:55:37] <zZap-X> i generally use slackware for most stuff
• 1971[13:55:46] <mi11k1> it takes forever, and no more ntfs support and no x windows kinda sucks
• 1972[13:55:46] <zZap-X> but no PPC support
• 1973[13:56:04] <mi11k1> withough the runaaround anyways
• 1974[13:56:27] <zZap-X> windows for games, mac for adobe, linux for servers
• 1975[13:56:34] <mi11k1> hahah, true that
• 1976[13:56:46] <mi11k1> mac hardware is niiice too
• 1977[13:57:06] <mi11k1> the power plug idea was ace
• 1978[13:57:09] <zZap-X> aye, this powerbook G4 is lovely, nice non-glossy screen and comfy keyboard
• 1979[13:57:35] <zZap-X> its a bit slow for websites but perfect for console only
• 1980[13:57:45] <mi11k1> batter lasted longer than my friggin cell almost
• 1981[13:57:51] <zZap-X> and hibernate works on it
• 1982[13:58:05] <mi11k1> yah, this java stuff crushes everything
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• 1988[13:59:16] <mi11k1> speedtest.net is the best cpu crusher of all time
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• 1990[13:59:44] <x-fak> hi
• 1991[13:59:58] <x-fak> mi11k1 , why?
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• 1995[14:00:23] <mi11k1> i dunno, it kills my resources
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• 1997[14:00:58] <markybob> that's why there's speedtest-cli package in debian
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• 1999[14:01:20] <mi11k1> wha wha wha what????
• 2000[14:01:31] <mi11k1> you dont say
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• 2002[14:01:40] <markybob> i believe i did say it
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• 2004[14:02:00] <mi11k1> welll, everybody knows that markybob.
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• 2006[14:02:22] <mi11k1> its in the repo?
• 2007[14:02:33] <markybob> yes
• 2008[14:02:49] <x-fak> mi11k1 , yeah i've been told that there is a CLI speedtest package here
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• 2011[14:02:56] <mi11k1> sweeeet!
• 2012[14:03:13] <x-fak> it's very handy to test on a dedicated server with no graphic interface
• 2013[14:03:31] <markybob> x-fak: yeah. i told you that :P the other day
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• 2015[14:03:39] <mi11k1> sure is in there
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• 2017[14:04:01] <markybob> ,v speedtest-cli
• 2018[14:04:02] <judd> Package: speedtest-cli on amd64 -- jessie: 0.3.1-1; sid: 0.3.4-1; stretch: 0.3.4-1
• 2019[14:04:07] <markybob> yes
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• 2022[14:05:45] <x-fak> markybob , yeah right ty:)
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• 2025[14:06:25] <x-fak> markybob in the meantime someone here told me how to install a graphic desktop and connect with VNC
• 2026[14:06:39] <x-fak> the quality is ugly and slow but works
• 2027[14:06:43] <zZap-X> is there a way to apt-get remove debian splash screen graphics?
• 2028[14:06:46] <mi11k1> well, there it is, replaced-url
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• 2030[14:07:21] <markybob> zZap-X: debian by default doesn't have "splash" screen
• 2031[14:07:37] <zZap-X> my login manager shows a picture of debian 8
• 2032[14:07:48] <zinx> you can configure your display manager
• 2033[14:07:52] <markybob> that's not a splash screen. dear
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• 2035[14:07:54] <x-fak> mi11k1 replaced-url
• 2036[14:07:57] <zZap-X> oh ok
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• 2038[14:08:26] <markybob> jesus christ
• 2039[14:08:30] <markybob> that's fast
• 2040[14:08:36] <mi11k1> nice one bud
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• 2042[14:08:59] <mi11k1> im at my grampas though, hes 80, noy bad for old man inet
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• 2044[14:09:46] <x-fak> mi11k1 , yeah that's decent, is it VDSL?
• 2045[14:09:54] <mi11k1> no coax
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• 2048[14:10:17] <x-fak> coaxial? by cable provider?
• 2049[14:10:18] <zZap-X> markybob: is my login manager called gdm
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• 2053[14:10:35] <mi11k1> its capped, i have same service $100 can for unlimted 50down 10up
• 2054[14:10:37] <zinx> zZap-X: if gdm is running, then probably
• 2055[14:10:41] <markybob> zZap-X: if you use gnome it's probably gdm3.
• 2056[14:10:50] <zZap-X> i am using xfce
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• 2059[14:11:11] <markybob> zZap-X: default for xfce is lightdm
• 2060[14:11:20] <zZap-X> right ok thanks
• 2061[14:11:53] <mi11k1> x-fak, vnc isnt too bad, depends on some stuff
• 2062[14:12:28] <x-fak> mi11k1 i've also tried X-forwarding
• 2063[14:12:31] <x-fak> it's damn slow
• 2064[14:12:48] <mi11k1> its faster than xforwarding
• 2065[14:12:57] <mi11k1> rdp is not bad
• 2066[14:13:00] <zinx> just ugly
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• 2068[14:13:39] <mi11k1> i dont like using it, but when i do, sometimes i cant tell and get all messed up if its in fullscreen
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• 2073[14:16:02] <mi11k1> x-fak, heres a script i use to for quicky, replaced-url
• 2074[14:16:18] <mi11k1> you just need xvfb and x11vnc packages
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• 2077[14:17:22] <x-fak> use for quicky? what do you mean?
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• 2079[14:17:47] <mi11k1> no setup, it uses framebuffer
• 2080[14:18:23] <mi11k1> it doesnt need a running desktop
• 2081[14:18:29] <x-fak> ok i keep this script at hand, could be useful
• 2082[14:18:47] <mi11k1> just change it to whatever wm you want
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• 2092[14:24:21] <Bert_2> Is it possible that replaced-url
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• 2095[14:26:48] <viileppi> even vesa driver fails on my fresh install (P2/ati rage pro/lxde)
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• 2098[14:28:09] <viileppi> i get the grub screen with some glitch on the top
• 2099[14:28:34] <mi11k1> cause drivers arent even loaded yet i guess
• 2100[14:29:20] <mi11k1> im happy if just my grub screen has some glitch
• 2101[14:29:20] <viileppi> hmm i did try to istall them but apt-get said they were already installed
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• 2103[14:29:49] <mi11k1> its the grub screen, nothing has loaded yet
• 2104[14:30:14] <mi11k1> theres probably something you can change though
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• 2107[14:31:40] <mi11k1> check /boot/grub/grub.cfg maybe
• 2108[14:31:55] <viileppi> i'm ssh'ing trough this very system
• 2109[14:32:14] <viileppi> from tty1
• 2110[14:32:27] <MaBunny> hey guys,so do you remember the problem i had which made my windows black??
• 2111[14:32:40] <mi11k1> haha
• 2112[14:32:47] <MaBunny> a guy on #gnome told me to read this webpage
• 2113[14:32:54] <MaBunny> replaced-url
• 2114[14:32:56] <mi11k1> im guessing you donyt remeber and it hapend again
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• 2116[14:33:23] <mi11k1> holy, this keyboard is not my friend
• 2117[14:33:25] <MaBunny> so,i didnt had the time previously but i thought to give it a try so
• 2118[14:34:06] <mi11k1> reinstall windows
• 2119[14:34:17] <markybob> Bert_2: that is the worst wiki i've ever seen on debian.org. i'm editing it now because...fuck
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• 2121[14:34:34] <mi11k1> haha
• 2122[14:35:14] <MaBunny> can anyone tell me where to find the file specified in this webpage from where im copying: /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-intel.conf
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• 2126[14:37:50] <MaBunny> i believe ive to change the "sna" to "AccelMethod" in tht file to make my computer usable over long hours
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• 2128[14:38:23] <MaBunny> i mean keeping it on for a night and then using it in the morning
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• 2133[14:39:39] <MaBunny> im a lazy guy :P
• 2134[14:40:28] <mi11k1> cant you just tell the powermanager to do that?
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• 2152[14:48:14] <MaBunny> guys??
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• 2157[14:49:56] <bazhang> MaBunny, a two second google showed the location
• 2158[14:50:15] <MaBunny> Hehe,srry
• 2159[14:50:21] <bazhang> np
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• 2162[14:50:46] <MaBunny> i was studying too,so wanted a quick answer :)
• 2163[14:51:23] <markybob> google's pretty fucking quick. we have lives and are doing other shit. google doesn't
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• 2171[14:56:39] <MaBunny> replaced-url
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• 2173[14:57:18] <MaBunny> Here it says to create a file "/usr/share/X11...." and add stuff
• 2174[14:57:33] <MaBunny> is tht wht you said about bazhang??
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• 2184[15:05:02] <MaBunny> ok done
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• 2190[15:07:28] <DrDaemonEye> markybob: I would argue that google's life is to make our lives easier.
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• 2192[15:08:01] <DrDaemonEye> but, you are indeed right.
• 2193[15:08:17] <zykotick9> DrDaemonEye: that's funny... more like "google's life is to know everything about you, so they can sell that information"...
• 2194[15:08:50] <DrDaemonEye> hehe, that too
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• 2312[16:18:36] <devster31> hi guys, what could be the reason I can lsusb and lshw an usb hard drive but I can't lsblk it and therefore cannot mount it?
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• 2332[16:25:14] <devster31> replaced-url
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• 2334[16:25:34] <stoned> lsblk -a
• 2335[16:25:38] <stoned> see if you get anything
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• 2341[16:26:18] <devster31> replaced-url
• 2342[16:26:23] <stoned> dmesg|grep usb
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• 2345[16:27:09] <stoned> hdd-1 drive?
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• 2349[16:27:35] <devster31> no, first drive id /dev/sda second drive is /dev/sdb, both already present
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• 2369[16:33:57] <alexis> jmcnaught: yes, that's what I want :)
• 2370[16:34:13] <alexis> jmcnaught: (to have the package included in debian)
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• 2386[16:39:36] <alexis> jmcnaught: Thanks for the pointer, I've already read that but I'm kinda stuck when it comes to find the best (recommended?) tools for python packaging specifically
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• 2408[16:48:52] <John> hi all
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• 2455[17:11:06] <viileppi> is there a way to submit paste somewhere from commandline?
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• 2459[17:12:47] <John> binpaste
• 2460[17:12:56] <LtL> !tell viileppi about pastebinit
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• 2462[17:12:58] <viileppi> neither vesa, ati or r128 drivers don't seem to work :/
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• 2466[17:15:59] <viileppi> replaced-url
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• 2473[17:19:03] <viileppi> i only have this box here with networking and my smartphone
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• 2475[17:19:47] <viileppi> and i also forgot how to copy/paste with screen lol
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• 2480[17:21:46] <jml2> viileppi, you do do ctl-a, '?' , it'll show the shortcut list
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• 2487[17:25:14] <prussian> viileppi: sprung.us; `alias sprungeus="curl -F 'sprunge=<-' replaced-url
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• 2495[17:30:06] <brelod> ls
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• 2497[17:30:23] <Guest48292> hi
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• 2502[17:31:28] <afernandez_> hi
• 2503[17:32:06] <cmhobbs> when i close the lid to my netbook, it suspends the computer. i'm not sure which program is doing that, though i initially set it up in xfce. is there a wm/de independent way to have it also lock my screen with i3lock, slock, xscreensaver, or whatever?
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• 2507[17:33:15] <Ruff> why do the filter of weechat don't work in this chan?
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• 2509[17:33:47] <brelod2> hey
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• 2511[17:34:48] <cmhobbs> i'm a bit onfused because logind.conf has everything commented out
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• 2513[17:36:57] <hiya> how can I open the bottom notification bar?
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• 2522[17:43:01] <eth0ghost> If you are using i3 install xfce4-power-manager
• 2523[17:43:08] <eth0ghost> use that to govern your suspends etc...
• 2524[17:43:23] <eth0ghost> cmhobbs: ^
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• 2526[17:43:37] <cmhobbs> eth0ghost: good call
• 2527[17:43:39] <cmhobbs> i'll look into that
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• 2534[17:44:54] <raspberrypifan> so i have a bit of tricky situation. I have a cloud server that has debian on it but the install is quite bad. I wanna bring in my own debian version but im restricted by their system. I have been told that i can load a debian image stored in /boot and then use grub to boot it. The issue is that the boot partiton is only 150mb and the debian netinstall install is over 250. Can i just split up the importa
• 2535[17:44:54] <raspberrypifan> nt bits
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• 2539[17:46:07] <eth0ghost> cmhobbs: Thats what I do with i3.
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• 2578[18:04:58] <_0xbad_antergos> askjdas
• 2579[18:05:00] <_0xbad_antergos> ok
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• 2581[18:05:24] <_0xbad_antergos> I want to mount another device
• 2582[18:05:43] <_0xbad_antergos> but I already have one mounted at /mnt/
• 2583[18:05:50] <_0xbad_antergos> what can I do=
• 2584[18:05:52] <_0xbad_antergos> ?
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• 2589[18:08:54] <afernandez_> _0xbad_antergos: create another mount point
• 2590[18:09:19] <afernandez_> mkdir -p /mnt/mnt2
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• 2597[18:12:46] <Aleksandar86> I installed Debian 8.4.0 first ISO. I want Install another 2 DVD ISO and I need help how to do without optics from USB?
• 2598[18:13:36] <unborn> afternoon all :)
• 2599[18:14:21] <TomTomTosch> Aleksandar86: only the first dvd contains the installer. the other ones only have additional packages.
• 2600[18:14:43] <Aleksandar86> I install first DVD from USB
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• 2602[18:14:55] <Aleksandar86> but how to install another two
• 2603[18:14:57] <Aleksandar86> ?
• 2604[18:14:59] <jml2> Aleksandar86, you can use apt-cdrom to add cd's as repo resources
• 2605[18:15:01] <TomTomTosch> doesn't matter if it's from usb or dvd.
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• 2607[18:15:32] <Aleksandar86> jml2 are you think, I must mount iso?
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• 2609[18:15:47] <jml2> Aleksandar86, i forget how to use .iso as resources.. that could be tricky, but there should be ways to do it --(google)
• 2610[18:16:02] <jml2> Aleksandar86, how fast is your internet?
• 2611[18:16:13] <Aleksandar86> 4mbit download
• 2612[18:16:36] <jml2> Aleksandar86, if you can afford to download 3 DVD's it's much more affordable just to use net repos
• 2613[18:16:50] <Aleksandar86> If I split 3 ISO in one can I install all from USB?
• 2614[18:17:14] <jml2> Aleksandar86, but those isoz won't be good for more than a couple weeks, packages are always getting updated..
• 2615[18:17:26] <MaBunny> hey guys i had tried installing debian 8.4 on a sandisk 64 gb pendrive
• 2616[18:17:31] <jml2> Aleksandar86, so unless you really dont have internet available, it's a good way to use .isoz..
• 2617[18:17:41] <MaBunny> heres the product: replaced-url
• 2618[18:17:47] <MaBunny> srry for tht
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• 2621[18:18:26] <MaBunny> so previously when i had tried plugging it into the system,it worked
• 2622[18:18:33] <Aleksandar86> jml2 does another 2 ISO's include some new drivers?
• 2623[18:18:48] <MaBunny> but now it doesnt even come up in the devices list
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• 2625[18:19:14] <MaBunny> is there any package tht is required for tht particular hardware or something???
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• 2627[18:19:43] <jml2> Aleksandar86, no, that would be found whatever comes with the first CD
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• 2629[18:20:01] <jml2> Aleksandar86, if you're missing firmware drivers --- you would want the non-free unofficial isoz..
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• 2631[18:20:14] <jml2> Aleksandar86, ( replaced-url
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• 2634[18:21:20] <jml2> Aleksandar86, or if you installed with the official, but still can get online, and still need non-free, you'll need to add non-free repos, then install them
• 2635[18:21:40] <jml2> Aleksandar86, (the official isoz don't come with all the firmwares, as some are in non-free)
• 2636[18:21:42] <jml2> !non-free
• 2637[18:21:43] <dpkg> [non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed ask me about <non-free list>. For the non-free tracking system, see replaced-url
• 2638[18:21:48] <MaBunny> when i plug my ext hard disk into a particular usb plug,it works
• 2639[18:22:19] <MaBunny> but when i plug the pendrive into tht same usb slot,it doesnt
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• 2642[18:24:16] <jml2> MaBunny, try a short usb extension -- here i use it and it helps
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• 2644[18:24:30] <jml2> MaBunny, but one over a foot would likely cause problems
• 2645[18:24:47] <MaBunny> what is a short usb extension??
• 2646[18:24:55] <MaBunny> my hardware is 2007 era
• 2647[18:25:01] <jml2> MaBunny, the other is of course there's nothing valid on the usb itself
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• 2649[18:25:13] <jml2> MaBunny, so that's a very old usb stick..
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• 2651[18:25:21] <MaBunny> but what is a usb extension??
• 2652[18:25:27] <jml2> MaBunny, maybe the electronics are going bad, or it could be a dying usb port
• 2653[18:25:27] <MaBunny> you mean a wire??
• 2654[18:25:39] <jml2> MaBunny, yeah, it's a just an empty usb cable..
• 2655[18:25:43] <MaBunny> yeah the usb ports sometimes dont work
• 2656[18:25:54] <jml2> MaBunny, it sometimes fixes the "timing" magic of electronics..
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• 2658[18:25:56] <MaBunny> tht might be the reason but
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• 2660[18:26:22] <MaBunny> the usb port on the front works with my toshiba ext hard drive
• 2661[18:26:30] <MaBunny> the pendrive doesnt :(
• 2662[18:26:43] <jml2> your hardware is old though.. so i won't need to speculate too much..
• 2663[18:26:43] <MaBunny> ok ill look for them :)
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• 2666[18:26:54] <MaBunny> yeah
• 2667[18:26:56] <jml2> here i don't have systems older than 5 years old :)
• 2668[18:27:02] <MaBunny> haha
• 2669[18:27:16] <jml2> i only change them when they start acting up -- which often happens around their 4th year
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• 2671[18:27:28] <MaBunny> ok...but can you maybe point to a link where i could find them,maybe newegg
• 2672[18:27:38] <MaBunny> flipkart might not hav them
• 2673[18:27:45] <MaBunny> yeah
• 2674[18:27:57] <jml2> MaBunny, i highly recommend (by my own experience of course duh), "lexar jump drives"
• 2675[18:28:05] <jml2> MaBunny, they come in 4,8, 16..
• 2676[18:28:09] <jml2> MaBunny, gb..
• 2677[18:28:24] <jml2> MaBunny, they seem to work on most things i try them with --
• 2678[18:28:27] <MaBunny> what are lexar jump drives...you mean pendrives??
• 2679[18:28:32] <jml2> MaBunny, and "boot" works with them very good
• 2680[18:28:41] <jml2> MaBunny, that's the brand.. you said "newegg"
• 2681[18:28:45] <jml2> MaBunny, eh!
• 2682[18:28:47] <MaBunny> yeah
• 2683[18:28:48] <jml2> MaBunny, go shop!
• 2684[18:28:52] <MaBunny> haha
• 2685[18:29:09] <MaBunny> ok..ill search for them :)
• 2686[18:29:16] <Nullifi3d> MaBunny: replaced-url
• 2687[18:29:22] <jml2> MaBunny, caveat though..
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• 2690[18:29:38] <jml2> MaBunny, if you're going for a usb2 stick, go for a usb2 stick
• 2691[18:29:39] <Nullifi3d> MaBunny: replaced-url
• 2692[18:29:40] <MaBunny> ok thnx for tht jml2 :)
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• 2694[18:30:14] <jml2> MaBunny, the pins dont perfectly align with usb3 sticks very well in tact.. and sometimes you have to tinkle with the connection a bit --- this is why I had to buy a usb3 or usb2 short extension so not to worry about this
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• 2696[18:30:29] <jml2> MaBunny, such extensions cost just a couple bucks but avoid much hassle
• 2697[18:30:55] <MaBunny> yeah...they dont look costly
• 2698[18:31:15] <jml2> MaBunny, they come in 3 inches..
• 2699[18:31:28] <jml2> MaBunny, not sure if you can find them, but with the right search they're easy to find
• 2700[18:31:33] <MaBunny> ok...the shorter the better ;)
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• 2703[18:32:10] <jml2> MaBunny, i think 6-inch
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• 2705[18:32:21] <MaBunny> hehe
• 2706[18:32:23] <jml2> MaBunny, you should be able to see many listed online
• 2707[18:32:37] <jml2> MaBunny, here i order for usb3 and usb2 ...
• 2708[18:32:50] <MaBunny> ok...any of them will work,nah???
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• 2710[18:33:06] <jml2> MaBunny, its not only for ensuring a good connection -- but it also serves helping to fix the magic timing between some usb sticks..
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• 2713[18:33:39] <jml2> MaBunny, no.. i mean if your motherboard is "usb2" -- you can go for either usb3 or usb2 extensions
• 2714[18:33:58] <jml2> MaBunny, the way usb3 sticks are built at the edge is not 110% perfect ;-)
• 2715[18:34:01] <MaBunny> ok
• 2716[18:34:10] <jml2> MaBunny, I get both "just in case"
• 2717[18:34:17] <MaBunny> haha
• 2718[18:34:34] <jml2> MaBunny, here 99% the time usb3 extensions i use wherever possible, even with usb2 ports i have no problem..
• 2719[18:34:43] <jml2> MaBunny, depending on the motherboard usb ports
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• 2723[18:35:31] <MaBunny> my motherboard has usb2 ports....so usb2 could be more practical
• 2724[18:35:43] <jml2> MaBunny, but also consider that your hardware --- your PC too is 2007? is also very aged..
• 2725[18:35:44] <MaBunny> but my ext hard disk is usb3...so
• 2726[18:35:52] <MaBunny> :D
• 2727[18:36:01] <MaBunny> yeah
• 2728[18:36:05] <MaBunny> thts true
• 2729[18:36:15] <jml2> MaBunny, if the "usb" panel is replaceable, you might have better electronics (newer capacitors/resistors) making the ports like new again
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• 2733[18:36:58] <jml2> usb3 from 2007 ?
• 2734[18:37:00] <MaBunny> yeah...but tht could hav to wait till nxt month...i am on a budget :P
• 2735[18:37:19] <MaBunny> no...ext hard disk was bought in 2013/14
• 2736[18:37:21] <MaBunny> maybe
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• 2738[18:37:32] <MaBunny> i dont remember...but its recent
• 2739[18:37:49] <jml2> ok so its not a "flash stick" then
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• 2741[18:38:01] <MaBunny> flash stick???
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• 2743[18:38:18] <jml2> MaBunny, it has power plug?
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• 2745[18:38:24] <catalincc> hi, i'm new to ibm servers, can you please tell me what is the equivalent of hp asm in IBM ? I want to read the post errors, the server failures from CLI in redhat
• 2746[18:38:26] <jml2> MaBunny, if it does i suggest to use it
• 2747[18:38:47] <MaBunny> no...its just plug and copy/paste
• 2748[18:38:56] <MaBunny> no power plug i guess
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• 2752[18:39:00] <jml2> MaBunny, but you could also make use of those usb extensions for pretty much any storage that could use them --
• 2753[18:39:10] <MaBunny> yeah
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• 2758[18:39:58] <jml2> MaBunny, so there's no "optional" AC pin anywhere?
• 2759[18:40:07] <MaBunny> no
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• 2761[18:40:11] <jml2> MaBunny, sometimes power adapters need to be bough separately
• 2762[18:40:39] <MaBunny> oh...you mean for when the power goes off and it keeps safe from data loss??
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• 2764[18:41:02] <jml2> MaBunny, no i mean sometimes USB devices (especially non-flash), can require more power than the market
• 2765[18:41:19] <MaBunny> idk
• 2766[18:41:19] <jml2> MaBunny, ./than they advertise -- on what is supported by the usb port
• 2767[18:41:35] <jml2> MaBunny, i have a few devices where the AC pin -- fixes the drive working
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• 2769[18:41:47] <jml2> MaBunny, i got stubborn usb3 devices here :)
• 2770[18:41:54] <MaBunny> oh...i understand tht
• 2771[18:41:58] <MaBunny> yeah
• 2772[18:42:35] <jml2> MaBunny, another venue of course is you can get a usb3 adapter card
• 2773[18:42:47] <MaBunny> yeah
• 2774[18:42:54] <jml2> MaBunny, now if you are booting, i don't know if your bios would expand its usb boot capabilties to use that.. but its possible
• 2775[18:43:11] <jml2> MaBunny, so keep this in mind
• 2776[18:43:17] <MaBunny> yeah
• 2777[18:43:33] <jml2> MaBunny, if you probably want to play more safe, you can get a usb2 expansion card
• 2778[18:44:07] <jml2> MaBunny, or if your motherboard has an "unused" usb2 expansion node -- you could just buy the "usb bracket" -- which shouuld be cheaper
• 2779[18:44:07] <MaBunny> whats tht???
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• 2781[18:44:28] <MaBunny> ok i understand
• 2782[18:44:31] <jml2> MaBunny, if you look at your motherboard, there would be a "usb" connector or a "front-panel" connector..
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• 2784[18:44:45] <jml2> MaBunny, sometimes there are "extra" usb nodes on the motherboard not used
• 2785[18:44:53] <jml2> MaBunny, and you can plug a usb "bracket"
• 2786[18:45:04] <jml2> MaBunny, meaning you just get "usb ports" and no electronics on a bracket
• 2787[18:45:16] <MaBunny> no i dont have them...but i could update my usb extension card
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• 2790[18:45:30] <x-fak> i want to install midori package but it says that it's not found into repository, here is my /etc/apt/source.list: replaced-url
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• 2792[18:45:31] <MaBunny> its old and dusty
• 2793[18:45:46] <zinx> just beware, some are 10 pin, some are 2x 5 pin, and some are 9 pin (they omit one shield pin - you can't use a connector that doesn't also omit it with them)
• 2794[18:46:07] <MaBunny> i dont think a lot of things in my hardware can be updated
• 2795[18:46:20] <jml2> MaBunny, but the "usb bracket" solution does not update anything :)
• 2796[18:46:20] <MaBunny> i mean i do think
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• 2798[18:46:45] <MaBunny> i hav extra ram slots
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• 2801[18:47:04] <jml2> MaBunny, you'll have to check your motherboard manual, and check your board to see if there are any unused usb nodes..
• 2802[18:47:34] <jml2> MaBunny, you'll save money and potentially fix your issue because it's just possible the electronics on the other usb panels are "worn out" electronically :)
• 2803[18:47:44] <MaBunny> its just tht my hardware is second hand,bought from my dads office...and i dont kno its motherboard name or other things
• 2804[18:48:08] <jml2> MaBunny, and also of course this is trial-and-error.. but to minimize costs, you can always try it with the usb bracket (and that is of course there is a spare)
• 2805[18:48:13] <MaBunny> yeah...but i hav to 'kno' my hardware ;)
• 2806[18:49:19] <MaBunny> my dad doesnt understand this geek stuff...he just buys this and tht and tells an experienced person to assemble it
• 2807[18:49:23] <jml2> MaBunny, if you use dmidecode that can indicate the motherboard
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• 2809[18:49:33] <MaBunny> yeah...
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• 2811[18:49:51] <MaBunny> ok i really forgot about tht but i had done it b4
• 2812[18:49:58] <MaBunny> :D
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• 2816[18:50:10] <MaBunny> ill remember tht
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• 2823[18:51:09] <jml2> MaBunny, also if you have a problematic usb device connected that can also interfere with this usb disk
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• 2825[18:51:31] <MaBunny> no i dont think tht could be the cause
• 2826[18:51:35] <jml2> MaBunny, not many consider that, but that too is a possibility
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• 2830[18:52:03] <jml2> MaBunny, usb is cheap tech :) -- it's a shared-bus system.. multiple usb ports share the same bus
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• 2833[18:52:46] <MaBunny> ok
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• 2835[18:52:57] <jml2> MaBunny, to mitigate such issues, -- is also going with the idea that the usb bracket thing might actually be going to another bus -- posibly -- i'm not a hardware geek on this, but this is possible
• 2836[18:53:07] <jml2> good l.. gtg smthing..
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• 2839[18:53:32] <MaBunny> ahh..
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• 2841[18:53:44] <MaBunny> hes gone
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• 2860[19:00:53] <password2> hi
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• 2862[19:01:10] <password2> how do i install 32bit libs on debian 64bit?
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• 2865[19:01:42] <eth0ghost> password just make multiarch
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• 2868[19:01:55] <password2> i have multiarch apparently
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• 2873[19:02:23] <eth0ghost> dpkg --add-architecture <arch>
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• 2875[19:02:23] * dpkg gets an architect to start planning a new hurd-i386 chipset
• 2876[19:02:36] <eth0ghost> then sudo apt-get update
• 2877[19:02:43] <password2> i did
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• 2879[19:03:22] <password2> unless none of the packages i need exist
• 2880[19:03:48] <password2> these are the packages i try to install libc6:i386 libx11-6:i386 libxext6:i386 libstdc++6:i386 libexpat1:i386
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• 2888[19:07:21] <password2> i used dpkg --add-architecture i386 , is that correct?
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• 2902[19:13:31] <password2> replaced-url
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• 2929[19:20:10] <password2> am i missing something?
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• 2940[19:22:29] <x-fak> is it normal that my web server appears into ipv6 and not ipv4 into netstat -an ?
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• 2948[19:24:48] <MaBunny> hey jml2 are you there pal??
• 2949[19:25:17] <MaBunny> i type "$ dmidecode" in my terminal but it doesnt run,the command
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• 2951[19:25:31] <MaBunny> do i hav to use su??i read the man pages
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• 2954[19:25:41] <sterndata_> Anyone using WeeChat in here?
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• 2956[19:26:40] <MaBunny> ok it runs in su
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• 2960[19:27:43] <mtn> MaBunny: you don't want to run weechat as root
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• 2963[19:28:28] <sterndata_> mtn: how to I switch channels in weechat?
• 2964[19:28:32] <MaBunny> no...not weechat
• 2965[19:28:36] <sterndata_> do*
• 2966[19:28:48] <MaBunny> dmidecode :)....im not tht silly
• 2967[19:28:52] <mtn> MaBunny: sorry, got you confused with someone else
• 2968[19:28:54] <bla1> hi there. i have installed debian jessie on my computer a few days ago, and my system freezes quite often (99 % of the times i run stellarium, maybe 50% of the times i run iceweasel). my screen shows stange looking diagonal patterns and does not respond to anything. alt+ctrl+f2 does not give me a console, and (i asked here about my problem maybe 3 days ago, and got this advise) alt+system-request does not do anything. last time i asked here, i wa
• 2969[19:28:54] <bla1> Mai 15 19:03:09 debian kernel: nouveau E[ PBUS][0000:00:0d.0] MMIO write of 0x00000000 FAULT at 0x00b010. so while i am pretty sure that this line correlates to my problem, i have no idea what it means and what to do with this information. could somebody help me?
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• 2971[19:29:15] <mtn> sterndata_: weechat has a manual you can find online
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• 2973[19:29:38] <ompaul> replaced-url
• 2974[19:29:44] <CtrlC> where are the debian testing download links?
• 2975[19:29:51] <sterndata_> mtn: yeah, i was looking at it but can't really find how I can change and list channels in a server
• 2976[19:30:30] <ompaul> sterndata_: that might send you far too much data and crash your client listing them that is
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• 2978[19:31:11] <CtrlC> Is there even a download link?
• 2979[19:31:23] <sterndata_> ompaul: is there an easy way to just change and list the channels I've connected to?
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• 2983[19:31:35] <markybob> CtrlC: you install testing by using the stable installer and then dist-upgrade
• 2984[19:31:53] <CtrlC> No direct dowload link?
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• 2988[19:32:09] <Rasmusolle> replaced-url
• 2989[19:32:20] <markybob> CtrlC: not that works. there's a horribly broken installer for testing
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• 2992[19:32:43] <bla2> hi there, so, i clicked on a link and my computer froze. so if anybody wrote something addressed to me, it would be nice if he or she could send the message again.
• 2993[19:32:51] <markybob> CtrlC: also read /topic. this isn't the place for testing support. you'll need to go to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
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• 2995[19:33:00] <CtrlC> uh, can you still direct me to it please? markeybob
• 2996[19:33:06] <CtrlC> oh!
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• 2998[19:33:21] <CtrlC> Thank you.
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• 3009[19:37:13] <bla1> my system froze again so if somebody wrote something for me, i would be happy if this person could write it again. =)
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• 3012[19:37:54] <Rasmusolle> replaced-url
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• 3015[19:38:12] <Rasmusolle> replaced-url
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• 3017[19:38:29] <mtn> bla1: looks like a video driver problem. have you tried using nvidia drivers?
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• 3019[19:38:40] <Rasmusolle> replaced-url
• 3020[19:38:44] <dD__> From one day to the next, the divisions disappeared from all of my menus in Debian. They now look like this: replaced-url
• 3021[19:39:43] <mtn> dD__: which version of debian? which desktop? which video driver?
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• 3023[19:40:05] <bla1> no. do you know where i can get them and how to install them or where i can read about it? im not that expirienced.
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• 3026[19:40:13] <Bert_2> markybob: well, I don't really use it as a reference, I have my own example files for shorewall, it's just that I noticed after a reboot my NAT was broken, it turned out shorewall just hadn't started because there's new behaviour due to systemd which isn't documented anywhere
• 3027[19:40:37] <mtn> bla1: the debian wiki has a section on nvidia. good place to start ;)
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• 3029[19:41:28] <Rasmusolle> replaced-url
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• 3033[19:41:35] <Rasmusolle> replaced-url
• 3034[19:41:39] <bla1> yeah i just found it, haha. looks like it gives me a good documentation. thanks, i will read through it.
• 3035[19:42:12] <dD__> mtn stretch (with some unstable), gnome, NVIDIA Corporation GF106M
• 3036[19:42:36] <mtn> dD__: ah, you need to go to the correct channel. read the topic
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• 3039[19:44:39] <dD__> mtn, thanks!
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• 3041[19:44:50] <mtn> dD__: welcome
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• 3053[19:49:41] <password2> meh
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• 3062[19:52:09] <awwal> ,v yowsup-cli
• 3063[19:52:10] <judd> Package: yowsup-cli on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 2.4.102-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 2.4.103-1; sid: 2.4.103-1
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• 3065[19:53:36] <awwal> guys, any privacy/security about using 'yowsup-cli'?
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• 3070[19:54:39] <zZap-X> awwal: is that before or after your account gets banned?
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• 3072[19:55:10] <markybob> awwal: it should be fine
• 3073[19:55:18] <awwal> zZap-X, banned from where?
• 3074[19:55:37] <zZap-X> whatsapp?
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• 3079[19:56:27] <markybob> yowsup is really fucking popular. he'll be fine
• 3080[19:56:48] <markybob> it uses the official whatsapi. yeah, official
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• 3082[19:56:55] <zZap-X> i dont mind yowsup but its horrible to use for sending and recieving messages
• 3083[19:57:12] <zZap-X> how can one use backports with jessie?
• 3084[19:57:17] <markybob> well then dont FUD
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• 3087[19:57:37] <awwal> markybob, zZap-X, havent tried it yet or configured, just installed the pkg. registration in the whatsapp website/server or something like that is needed , so wondering if its really safe
• 3088[19:57:41] <markybob> zZap-X: you read the instructions like everything else. backports.debian.org/Instructions/
• 3089[19:57:46] <zZap-X> ace
• 3090[19:58:02] <grantwu> For apt pinning, should I be using Pin: release a=testing or n=testing?
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• 3092[19:58:06] <markybob> awwal: it's fine. really. don't listen to FUD
• 3093[19:58:10] <zZap-X> can using backports cause apt-get hell?
• 3094[19:58:33] <awwal> markybob, ok. I may try it so :P
• 3095[19:59:05] <markybob> zZap-X: the whole point of it is not to. don't do something stupid like upgrade -t jessie-backports and get all the backports. just the ones you need.
• 3096[19:59:14] <zZap-X> ok dude
• 3097[19:59:42] <zZap-X> so if i activate backports, will it cause a massive problem with apt-get upgrade
• 3098[19:59:54] <zZap-X> or will it only upgrade the backport i installed if there is a upgrade
• 3099[20:00:20] <markybob> no. it only uses backports when you add -t jessie-backports to apt-get or aptitude
• 3100[20:00:46] <markybob> right. it'll upgrade the backport you had installed if there's a new backport
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• 3104[20:01:50] <zZap-X> excellent, so apt-get install i3 = from main. apt-get -t install i3 will be from backports
• 3105[20:02:40] <markybob> you forgot to add jessie-backports after -t but yeah
• 3106[20:02:42] <grantwu> aha, n vs a is codename vs archive name
• 3107[20:02:44] <sunita> i can access server from the internet but can not access from the lan .. what could be the problem ?
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• 3111[20:03:53] <markybob> sunita: first thought would be bad cat5 cable
• 3112[20:03:55] <SanchoPensa> yo!
• 3113[20:04:07] <markybob> sunita: assuming it worked before and you didn't change anything
• 3114[20:04:15] <SanchoPensa> can you please explain to me, why removin okular would remove ALL of the KDE desktop?
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• 3118[20:04:58] <markybob> SanchoPensa: you mean the kde task. that's not all of kde
• 3119[20:05:02] <teraflops> Because deps in cascade
• 3120[20:05:02] <SanchoPensa> and: can you please explain, how to change standard apps in xfce? (i know it is not a debian question actually, but since i am using xfce on debian...)
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• 3123[20:05:23] <SanchoPensa> markybob: no, i mean kde-standard
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• 3127[20:05:54] <markybob> i don't even understand what that means. what language do you speak natively?
• 3128[20:06:09] <markybob> i'm sure there's a channel for it
• 3129[20:06:14] <TomTomTosch> kde-standard is a meta package. it contains no actual software.
• 3130[20:06:34] <jml2> task-kde-desktop
• 3131[20:06:35] <SanchoPensa> markybob: do you mean me by that?
• 3132[20:06:43] <markybob> yes
• 3133[20:06:55] <SanchoPensa> lol? what don't you understand?!?
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• 3136[20:07:16] * jml2 says task-kde-desktop is a meta package and can help to install kde
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• 3139[20:07:31] <awwal> zZap-X, apt-get -t jessie-backports install i3
• 3140[20:07:34] <TomTomTosch> jml2: so is kde-standard. he was talking about that.
• 3141[20:07:38] <zZap-X> awwal: ace it worked
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• 3143[20:07:48] <zZap-X> this PPC laptop is now working in 2016 :D
• 3144[20:07:59] <Opsoa10> Hi! Do you know how I can change sound's bass level (i'm using pulseaudio)?
• 3145[20:07:59] <zZap-X> time to get i3 working
• 3146[20:08:50] <jml2> TomTomTosch, apt-cache show task-kde-desktop shows you what gets installed.
• 3147[20:09:04] <SanchoPensa> jml2: ok, but it does not remove all of kde, once you remove that meta package?
• 3148[20:09:05] <SanchoPensa> here is, what my console just spat out: replaced-url
• 3149[20:09:10] <TomTomTosch> jml2: i know about that, thx...
• 3150[20:09:11] <markybob> jml2: TomTomTosch knows more than you could dream of.
• 3151[20:09:21] <jml2> I think SanchoPensa is asking
• 3152[20:09:25] <jml2> markybob, wrong person
• 3153[20:09:40] <jml2> I don't care about TomTomTosch i was never talking to him to begin with :)
• 3154[20:09:46] * jml2 *elitism* is futile.
• 3155[20:09:50] <jml2> :)
• 3156[20:09:55] <TomTomTosch> no worries x)
• 3157[20:09:55] <markybob> TomTomTosch: yeah, fuck you, asshole
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• 3160[20:10:04] <SanchoPensa> haha, oh geez... everybody calm down please? :D
• 3161[20:10:05] <markybob> TomTomTosch: ;)
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• 3164[20:10:44] <TomTomTosch> cheers :P
• 3165[20:10:45] <SanchoPensa> " KDE Plasma Desktop and standard set of applications" this is what dpkg -l kde-standard* returns
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• 3168[20:11:13] <SanchoPensa> so do i get this wrong, or does that mean basically all of KDE?
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• 3170[20:11:35] <markybob> SanchoPensa: you got it wrong
• 3171[20:11:39] <RoyK> markybob: using a cat5 cable today would be bad enough ;)
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• 3173[20:12:18] <jim> is it ok to install (say) the wireless-tools udeb onto a running debian?
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• 3175[20:12:32] <markybob> SanchoPensa: 18:06 < TomTomTosch> kde-standard is a meta package. it contains no actual software.
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• 3178[20:12:46] <jml2> jim, y what is 'udeb'?
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• 3181[20:13:12] <jml2> jim, you mentioned that somewhere... never encountered that (i think kadiro's issue is with wirelesstools)
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• 3184[20:13:22] <SanchoPensa> markybob: that is the part, that i did understand, di you understand my follow up question?
• 3185[20:13:22] <SanchoPensa> that was, if "metapackages" are only used to install, but wont uninstall?
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• 3188[20:13:42] <markybob> SanchoPensa: that's right. it'll leave everything in place
• 3189[20:13:46] <jim> the udebs on the netinst image are part of the installer
• 3190[20:13:55] <RoyK> jml2: that's the "un-debify" package, which automatically installs windows 95 on your machine
• 3191[20:13:57] <SanchoPensa> markybob: NICE! thanks guys! :)
• 3192[20:14:02] <jml2> hmm.. dunno what to do with udeb.. i should tell him
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• 3195[20:14:32] <sunita> markybob: cant telnet 10.0.0.60 from same computer
• 3196[20:14:44] <jml2> sunita, wo wo wo
• 3197[20:14:45] <sunita> but can access the website from internet
• 3198[20:14:46] <jml2> sunita, TELNET?
• 3199[20:14:52] <jml2> sunita, you're kidding right?
• 3200[20:14:53] <sunita> what may be the problem
• 3201[20:15:11] <RoyK> telnet went out of style some 18 years back
• 3202[20:15:18] <jml2> sunita, we sure heck came a long way from the 1980's.. nobody uses "telnet" in #debian
• 3203[20:15:21] <jml2> sunita, I HOEP
• 3204[20:15:22] <markybob> sunita: i don't really care. you didn't even answer the basic cat5 question.
• 3205[20:15:25] <jml2> sunita, *HOPE*
• 3206[20:15:29] <RoyK> !ssh
• 3207[20:15:30] <dpkg> [ssh] the Secure SHell; "aptitude install ssh" (<openssh>). Clients for other platforms include <putty> and <cygwin>. Programs to mitigate against brute-force attacks on your SSH server include <fail2ban> and <denyhosts>. See also <scp>, <sftp>, <ssh without password>, <ssh permissions>, <sshx>, <ssh linedraw>, <debug sshd>, <dropbear>, <ssh-copy-id>, <ssh verify key>.
• 3208[20:15:52] <markybob> sunita: can you ping that ip?
• 3209[20:15:54] <jml2> sunita, no hard feelings, ssh does not mean "shut up" :)
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• 3211[20:16:05] <jml2> sunita, (apt-get install openssh-server) ! :D
• 3212[20:16:47] <markybob> sunita: and like i asked before, did it work earlier and did you change anything?
• 3213[20:17:03] <sunita> telnet 10.0.0.65 443
• 3214[20:17:04] <sunita> Trying 10.0.0.65...
• 3215[20:17:04] <sunita> Connected to 10.0.0.65.
• 3216[20:17:04] <sunita> Escape character is '^]'.
• 3217[20:17:04] <sunita> Connection closed by foreign host.
• 3218[20:17:05] *** sunita was kicked by debhelper (flood. Please use replaced-url
• 3219[20:17:06] <markybob> sunita: support requires you to answer questions that are asked, you see
• 3220[20:17:15] <markybob> jesus
• 3221[20:17:19] <jml2> haaha what's he doing on port 443?
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• 3223[20:17:38] <jml2> one uses "openssl" to test tls/ssl connections
• 3224[20:17:43] <jml2> not "telnet"!
• 3225[20:17:45] <markybob> he's going on /ignore if he doesn't start answring questions and just talking out of his ass
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• 3229[20:18:31] <ompaul> jml2: well it might be a misdirected mail server for sekrit port openingz
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• 3231[20:18:35] <jml2> i think he needs to rtfm if he starts dumping more pastes like this
• 3232[20:18:41] <ompaul> but I don't really think htat
• 3233[20:18:43] <ompaul> or that
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• 3238[20:19:39] <zZap-X> holy cows, does debian wipe /tmp after a reboot?
• 3239[20:19:45] <markybob> of course
• 3240[20:19:49] <zZap-X> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
• 3241[20:19:54] <zZap-X> ive lost everything
• 3242[20:20:06] <toruvinn> tmp stands for "temporary"
• 3243[20:20:07] <toruvinn> ;-S
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• 3245[20:20:12] <markybob> well...that's why we have backups
• 3246[20:20:19] <zZap-X> NOOOOOOOOO
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• 3249[20:20:26] <jml2> zZap-X, /tmp is $HOME
• 3250[20:20:27] <zZap-X> 10 years of work down the pan
• 3251[20:20:38] <markybob> wow. you're fired.
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• 3257[20:21:05] <jml2> zZap-X, it's what you get when you vote for /trump
• 3258[20:21:09] <jml2> zZap-X, abbreviated
• 3259[20:21:16] <TomTomTosch> the line of bad decisions to make this happen is incredible.
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• 3261[20:21:22] <zZap-X> lol
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• 3263[20:21:49] <zZap-X> maybe it should be renamed to /trump
• 3264[20:22:03] <jml2> zZap-X, that fired remark from markybob is purely coincidental fyi
• 3265[20:22:12] <jml2> ahem
• 3266[20:22:15] <zZap-X> aye up
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• 3270[20:23:11] <jml2> zZap-X, if you add "2016" you can make storage in tmp more persistent
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• 3272[20:23:20] <jml2> zZap-X, tmp->tmp2016
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• 3274[20:23:35] <markybob> why the fuck
• 3275[20:23:39] <jml2> cuse
• 3276[20:23:45] <jml2> he's called zZap-X
• 3277[20:23:48] <jml2> ahem
• 3278[20:23:55] <markybob> dont put shit in tmp that you want to keep. that simple.
• 3279[20:24:22] <SanchoPensa> 10 yrs of work??
• 3280[20:24:40] <SanchoPensa> zZap-X: what line of work are you in, man?
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• 3282[20:24:50] <jml2> SanchoPensa, temporary apparently
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• 3285[20:26:04] <zZap-X> SanchoPensa: i was joking, i just lost a config file
• 3286[20:26:34] <markybob> zZap-X: not funny.
• 3287[20:26:58] <zZap-X> :D
• 3288[20:27:04] <SanchoPensa> roflol. in that case; you deserve it anyways, if you vote for trump :P
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• 3291[20:27:40] <markybob> let's leave politics to #debian-offtopic if you must
• 3292[20:27:43] <SanchoPensa> or... is there a correlation? like in, hey, who votes for trump, is also clever enuff to put stuff into temp? :D
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• 3294[20:27:58] <SanchoPensa> markybob: aye, sri! :D
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• 3297[20:28:37] <SanchoPensa> thanks for the help, guys, see ya another day. :)
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• 3303[20:29:49] <toruvinn> jml2, omg that pun
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• 3306[20:30:07] <jml2> :)
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• 3309[20:30:18] <jml2> apparently it's so easy to spot a troll these days
• 3310[20:30:36] <password2> troll
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• 3318[20:33:21] <jml2> the idea is to make them feel more dumber than they originally try to be :) .. it works :)
• 3319[20:33:42] <jml2> password2, yerps!
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• 3339[20:38:52] <jdoelger> so i have a debian vm running in vmware fusion, has X, open-vm-tools-desktop and i3 installed; however i can'
• 3340[20:38:56] <jdoelger> sigh
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• 3342[20:39:08] <jdoelger> i can't get the desktop to resize and fit the window.
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• 3344[20:39:55] <TomTomTosch> jdoelger: a good place to ask would be #vmware
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• 3346[20:40:11] <jdoelger> TomTomTosch: yeah i guess that's probably a better idea :P
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• 3349[20:42:26] <jml2> jdoelger, vmware fusion is only avail on mac osx
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• 3351[20:42:51] <jml2> jdoelger, if you install vmware "guest" tools -- whatever documentation you have with vmwrae support, you should then later see if you can use "xrandr"
• 3352[20:43:06] <jml2> jdoelger, or resize the desktop res from the desktop interface (in the vm of course)
• 3353[20:43:17] <jml2> jdoelger, the "guest" tools from debian might work
• 3354[20:43:52] <jdoelger> jml2: okay, i'll check that out. thanks!
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• 3356[20:45:02] <jml2> jdoelger, it's an opensource edition, though dunno how well it works -- but if it doesn't you'll have to possibly use vmware's tarball things
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• 3360[20:45:53] <jdoelger> jml2: i can change the resolution with xrandr, i guess i'll try vmware's tools and see if that will do auto-resize
• 3361[20:46:12] <jdoelger> i guess i really only need to have it full-screen
• 3362[20:46:18] <TomTomTosch> i3wm doesn't resize for you.
• 3363[20:46:49] <jml2> jdoelger, yeah that'll do auto-resize -- if you add the vmware "guest" tools -- i can see if there's anything of vmware guest tools in debian's repos
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• 3367[20:48:21] <jml2> jdoelger, not sure, there are "vmw" related modules -- maybe you can research this online
• 3368[20:48:44] <jml2> jdoelger, -- dunno if that accounts for guest tools -- i dont think there are any "packages" for this, but there's definitely modules related to vmware
• 3369[20:49:19] <jdoelger> jml2: thanks, i'm fiddling with adding my specific resolution to xrandr; if this doesn't work the way i expect i'll give the packaged vmware tools a shot
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• 3372[20:50:08] <TomTomTosch> jdoelger: which DM are you using?
• 3373[20:50:11] <jml2> jdoelger, try this -> vmwgfx << modprobe
• 3374[20:50:17] <jml2> jdoelger, and install
• 3375[20:50:57] <jml2> jdoelger, xserver-xorg-video-vmware xserver-xorg-input-vmmouse
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• 3378[20:51:06] <jml2> jdoelger, reboot, and see :)
• 3379[20:51:38] <jml2> jdoelger, the vmware video may already be installed in the vm.. you can check /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see if the vmw gfx driver is being used
• 3380[20:52:11] <jml2> jgornick, the other vmw modules would be for something more advanced for host->guest management
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• 3385[20:52:54] <jml2> cures to say that OsX users feel to be outbranded by us vbox users tehehe
• 3386[20:54:14] <jdoelger> jml2: xorg seems to be loading the vmware video driver
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• 3389[20:54:50] <markybob> you're not answering the right questions. we know vmware video driver is installed by default
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• 3392[20:55:26] <markybob> i don't know how many times TomTomTosch needs to ask
• 3393[20:55:30] <jml2> i havent done that vmware guest tools in years.. but i suppose there'd be a tarball if you manually mount vmware's guest iso -- should be shipped with Osx Vmware fusion as well
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• 3396[20:55:35] <markybob> gets pretty annoying
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• 3398[20:56:17] <jml2> jdoelger, see how to mount the vmware guest tools iso from fusion
• 3399[20:56:28] <jdoelger> markybob: TomTomTosch - i'm starting i3 with 'startx'
• 3400[20:56:37] <jml2> jdoelger, you'll have to map the fusion's guest iso with the application, then see if it appears in the VM later
• 3401[20:56:46] <jml2> jdoelger, dmesg |tail , would show a change of media
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• 3403[20:57:03] <markybob> 18:46 < TomTomTosch> i3wm doesn't resize for you.
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• 3410[20:59:26] <jdoelger> markybob: thanks - and maybe my expectation that vmware would work similar to virtualbox, and that's not debian's fault or problem, so sorry for that; but i have a similar ubuntu vm running in virtualbox, using i3, without a DM, and auto guest resizing works perfectly well.
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• 3413[20:59:48] <jdoelger> markybob: so anyway, i'll figure it out, and thanks everyone for the help
• 3414[21:00:00] <jml2> jdoelger, that's vbox
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• 3416[21:00:18] <jml2> jdoelger, it's more open.. so vbox guest tools are more readily available.. this is not the case with vmware guest tools
• 3417[21:00:31] <jdoelger> jml2: yes, and again that's an issue of my expectations
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• 3420[21:00:47] <jml2> jdoelger, why not try to find the .iso on your osx?
• 3421[21:00:54] <jml2> jdoelger, and finally map it to use it in the vm?
• 3422[21:00:59] <jml2> jdoelger, then install it!
• 3423[21:01:02] <jml2> lol
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• 3425[21:01:32] <jml2> i bet if i google right now i can find the answer
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• 3434[21:03:50] <jml2> jdoelger, gave you a link in pm
• 3435[21:04:09] <jml2> jdoelger, it's made for the last update for fusion 2014.. so it should still be good enough i think
• 3436[21:04:11] <eyeyey> Hi guys. I have a big problem installing software raid
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• 3438[21:04:34] <eyeyey> It does create the raid /dev/md0, mounts with the correct filesize, but when I click i got errors
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• 3446[21:06:44] <eyeyey> The error output: replaced-url
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• 3456[21:10:46] <frostschutz> eyeyey, installing, so it's a new one without data?
• 3457[21:11:01] <eyeyey> fully formated, no matter older data
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• 3459[21:11:10] <eyeyey> just wanna create a raid 1 again :/
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• 3461[21:11:34] <frostschutz> eyeyey, did you mkfs.ext4 it at all?
• 3462[21:11:53] <eyeyey> yes, in one of my tries
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• 3465[21:12:32] <eyeyey> last time i created raid with the install setup, now im trying to do it with live distro. I know I should backup all the mdadm.conf file later ;)
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• 3467[21:12:58] <eyeyey> I did follow at least 3 internet guides, but still cannot make it work :V
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• 3471[21:13:22] <eyeyey> I did even tried ext3 format on them
• 3472[21:13:43] <eyeyey> did workd, but when i used mdad create worked too, but does not mount finally
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• 3477[21:15:54] <eyeyey> frostschutz, im not installing a SO, just creating the md device
• 3478[21:16:08] <eyeyey> software based raid
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• 3558[21:56:40] <d3lphi> hey all.I have a BIG ISSUE and don't know how to solve it, so any help really appreciated.I have Debian Jessie VM running on Xenserver 6.5. I did run "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" for sure (no dist-upgrade) and after rebooting the machine it doesn't boot any more. I am not sure any more if systemd came up new, maybe there still was sysv running? But now I cannot login any more to the machine ...
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• 3565[22:00:07] <InFerNo_> Does anyone know how I can suppress the message "usb 2-1-port2: Cannot enable. Maybe the USB cable is bad?"
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• 3567[22:00:18] <InFerNo_> It's spamming my terminal and all the usb's work regardless
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• 3571[22:02:31] <InFerNo_> d3lphi, can you give more details?
• 3572[22:02:55] <InFerNo_> "doesn't boot anymore", are you stuck at the bootloader? Is the screen blank after the bootloader?
• 3573[22:03:07] <InFerNo_> Is there any output?
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• 3575[22:03:50] <d3lphi> ... InFerNo_ the VM itself seems to boot, because the output is the content of my Debian VM. But it throws several errors which I have no clue why they happen. Then the machine hangs here ==> replaced-url
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• 3579[22:04:37] <InFerNo_> can you press enter or CTRL-F2 or anything?
• 3580[22:04:45] <d3lphi> I neither can login through SSH (because the SSH daemon was not started) nore I can login locally throuch Xencenter console.
• 3581[22:04:49] <d3lphi> InFerNo_: no, nothing
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• 3583[22:05:36] <d3lphi> InFerNo_: the more weird thing is ==> I changed boot sequence to "single" and at the password prompt for root password I cannot enter anything and ENTER seems not be recognized. Even when I press CTRL-D to continue nothing happens. I have no f*** clue what happened
• 3584[22:05:50] <InFerNo_> well, if you can't control the machine there's not much you can do, right? Perhaps use a live distro and see if you can access the file still (I don't know what's on there that you could retrieve)
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• 3586[22:06:18] <d3lphi> InFerNo_: omg, this is a very very important VM running a mailserver and some other stuff. Anyone can help how to get access to the VM ?
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• 3588[22:06:32] <InFerNo_> do you have backups?
• 3589[22:06:59] <PadawanLearner> d3lphi: it's trivial
• 3590[22:07:25] <d3lphi> the funny part comes here ==> I have a backup of tonigh (some hours ago). I did this backup BEFORE a "big" upgrade procedure of our mail application software. When I would restore this, everything is gone and newer emails that already arrived in the postboxes are gone.
• 3591[22:07:31] <d3lphi> PadawanLearner: can you give me a hint ?
• 3592[22:07:31] <PadawanLearner> can you edit the boot prompt? or do you have a password on the bootloader?
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• 3594[22:08:46] <PadawanLearner> when you get to the boot prompt, just press 'e'
• 3595[22:09:01] <d3lphi> PadawanLearner: in Xencenter (=this is the control GUI for Xenserver) the default boot OS parameter for a VM is "-- quiet console=hvc0". If you change this to "single" you can boot into recovery mode as I already tried. But in the recovery boot mode, I cannot continue, no keyboard input is recognized. I cannot enter password and I even cannot press CTRL-D. The machine doesnt show any reaction
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• 3598[22:09:50] <PadawanLearner> my friend, just delete quiet, then add: init=/bin/bash
• 3599[22:10:00] <d3lphi> let me try
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• 3602[22:10:30] <d3lphi> hold on a sec please ...
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• 3604[22:11:47] <d3lphi> PadawanLearner: now I see this ==> replaced-url
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• 3606[22:12:36] <d3lphi> ok, I can browse the fs, at least this is SOMETHING :-) but how could I debug troubleshoot solve the issues now? any clue?
• 3607[22:13:18] <PadawanLearner> mount / -o remount,rw
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• 3609[22:13:42] <d3lphi> ok, the root fs is now rw
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• 3612[22:14:09] <PadawanLearner> cp /etc/shadow /root
• 3613[22:14:14] <PadawanLearner> cp /etc/passwd /root
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• 3615[22:14:22] <d3lphi> done
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• 3617[22:14:43] <PadawanLearner> vim /etc/shadow
• 3618[22:14:57] <d3lphi> vim isnt accessible, let me see if another editor is there
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• 3620[22:15:07] <PadawanLearner> vi ?
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• 3622[22:15:10] <PadawanLearner> nano?
• 3623[22:15:11] <d3lphi> no vi
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• 3626[22:15:54] <d3lphi> nano cannot be launched, throws lots of erros because cannot read /usr/share/nano/foo .. seems that this resided on the other fs (which is not mounted at the moment) ?
• 3627[22:16:10] <d3lphi> but OK, I pressed ENTER and I see the content
• 3628[22:16:53] <d3lphi> should I change anything in here ? and please explain to me, why we are modifying anything in the passwd or shadow file ?
• 3629[22:17:03] <d3lphi> is THAT the culprit and if so, why ?
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• 3633[22:17:41] <PadawanLearner> you said you did not had the root password, right?
• 3634[22:17:50] <d3lphi> no :-) I HAVE the root password
• 3635[22:17:51] <d3lphi> hehe
• 3636[22:18:08] <d3lphi> the issue is that the machine does not boot up correctly, see here ==> replaced-url
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• 3638[22:18:27] <d3lphi> I do not get a login prompt and funnily it throws me around NFS or NTPD errors. I have no clue why
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• 3640[22:19:24] <PadawanLearner> i would remove the password of the root account, and rebooted again
• 3641[22:19:43] <d3lphi> ok, lets have a try ... no problem. How do I reset? just put a x:x ?
• 3642[22:19:46] <PadawanLearner> then boot up in single and see if it asked for ctrl+D
• 3643[22:19:58] <PadawanLearner> x::x
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• 3645[22:20:00] <PadawanLearner> replaced-url
• 3646[22:20:16] <PadawanLearner> do you see the *? that's the password field
• 3647[22:20:22] <PadawanLearner> do you see the '*' ? that's the password field
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• 3649[22:20:44] <PadawanLearner> clean it
• 3650[22:20:47] <d3lphi> PadawanLearner: but again ... when I boot into single mode it showed me the password prompt where it looks something like that:
• 3651[22:21:04] <d3lphi> "Please enter root password or press CTRL-D to continue..."
• 3652[22:21:11] <PadawanLearner> hit enter
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• 3656[22:21:35] <d3lphi> well, let me try to reset the root password first, just a sec please ... let me look into the /etc/shadow file
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• 3659[22:21:52] <PadawanLearner> let me see it before rebooting
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• 3661[22:22:18] <PadawanLearner> root::16702:0:99999:7:::
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• 3664[22:22:36] <PadawanLearner> that's the root line at my rasp
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• 3666[22:22:42] <PadawanLearner> without the pass
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• 3668[22:22:57] <d3lphi> is that ok here? ==> root:*:16513:0:99999:7:::
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• 3670[22:23:20] <d3lphi> or should I remove the *
• 3671[22:23:24] <PadawanLearner> remove it
• 3672[22:24:10] <PadawanLearner> if you're not comfortable with this, just run passwd on the prompt
• 3673[22:24:16] <d3lphi> ok ... it looks like that now --> root::16513:0:99999:7::: I saved and ensured by "grep root /etc/shadow" its ok
• 3674[22:24:29] <PadawanLearner> the thing is that you have the root account disabled
• 3675[22:24:31] <d3lphi> do I need to alter /etc/passwd also ?
• 3676[22:25:01] <PadawanLearner> by entering single you should be able to login, but somehow it is not working
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• 3678[22:25:21] <PadawanLearner> nop
• 3679[22:25:25] <PadawanLearner> not for now
• 3680[22:25:34] <d3lphi> so by the action I did with /etc/shadow (=disabling the root account) won't help ?
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• 3682[22:26:20] <d3lphi> should I reboot the machine now into single ?
• 3683[22:26:41] <PadawanLearner> yep
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• 3686[22:27:07] <PadawanLearner> actually you just enabled the root account with a blank password
• 3687[22:27:21] <PadawanLearner> and yes, do isolate the machine from the network for a moment
• 3688[22:27:49] <PadawanLearner> if you're security conscious
• 3689[22:27:57] <PadawanLearner> however
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• 3691[22:28:51] <d3lphi> PadawanLearner: I booted into single mode and at the password prompt I pressed ENTER. It looks like that --> replaced-url
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• 3693[22:29:34] <PadawanLearner> passwd
• 3694[22:29:41] <PadawanLearner> impose a root password
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• 3696[22:30:05] <d3lphi> bash: passwd: command not found
• 3697[22:30:42] <d3lphi> echo $SHELL outputs /bin/bash though
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• 3700[22:30:58] <d3lphi> which passwd outputs nothing
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• 3704[22:31:37] <TomTomTosch> /usr/bin/passwd is where the binary should be.
• 3705[22:31:47] <PadawanLearner> what happened there?
• 3706[22:31:50] <trampel> i'd wager there's not much mounted
• 3707[22:32:11] <d3lphi> that is the problem, /usr is empty.
• 3708[22:32:22] <d3lphi> yes, I suppose I miss some mounts
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• 3710[22:32:33] <d3lphi> there is one more disk
• 3711[22:32:39] <d3lphi> let me see and try to mount it ... just a sec
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• 3713[22:34:05] <d3lphi> I did just "mount /usr" and it was enough because the appropriate settings are in /etc/fstab. It seems that this single recovery mode does only mount / by default? didnt know that. However, I have a /usr now. That means, if I need to have /var also I need to "mount /var". That is because I use LVM on that disk
• 3714[22:34:28] <d3lphi> passwd for root was set successfully now
• 3715[22:34:31] <d3lphi> what now ?
• 3716[22:34:36] <PadawanLearner> exit
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• 3719[22:34:54] <d3lphi> and then ? put the VM into normal boot mode and try rebooting it ?
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• 3721[22:35:26] <PadawanLearner> i don't think that will solve it, but that will give you some logs and now you should be able to follow the problem
• 3722[22:35:38] <d3lphi> let me try ... just a sec
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• 3733[22:39:55] <d3lphi> didnt change anything on the issue. Please see again the initial screenshots I posted ==> replaced-url
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• 3735[22:40:58] <d3lphi> I still do not understand why NFS support failes at boot prompt, then System Loggin Service failes, then PHP FastCGI process Manager fails and at the end the NTP daemon. What could that be related to ?
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• 3739[22:42:48] <PadawanLearner> ~follow the logs
• 3740[22:43:02] <PadawanLearner> start the services manually
• 3741[22:43:10] <trampel> wild conjecture: if the NFS fails, then the volumes necessary to LSB, PHP, etc aren't available
• 3742[22:43:10] <markybob> d3lphi: it's a vm, so you have a snapshot, right? or just regular backup like rsync?
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• 3744[22:44:41] <d3lphi> markybob: see chat history
• 3745[22:44:56] <markybob> d3lphi: i saw backup. i want to know the type.
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• 3750[22:45:47] <markybob> atually not interested anymore if you're going to have an attitude
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• 3756[22:47:24] <d3lphi> markybob: I did a whole 1:1 snapshot of this VM but the data is too old in my urgent case. Necessary mails already were delivered and lots of other changes.
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• 3766[22:50:33] <markybob> d3lphi: you're able to mount / and /usr from what i saw earlier. now you star rsyc'ing the maildir, restore the snapshot, rsync back.
• 3767[22:50:42] <markybob> start*
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• 3778[22:54:26] <d3lphi> the issue must be related to "apt-get upgrade". Something was messed up in the upgrade process and I would like to find out WHAT is causing that issue.
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• 3781[22:54:50] <markybob> was it wheezy before?
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• 3793[22:57:15] <d3lphi> for example, even SSHd is not running. Actually I am in "single" mode. When I run "/etc/init.d/ssh start" I get the prompt, so it looks that it started. But "/etc/init.d/ssh status" is showing --> replaced-url
• 3794[22:57:30] <d3lphi> markybob: yes it was Wheezy
• 3795[22:58:07] <markybob> d3lphi: yeah, that figures. you can't go from wheezy to jessie with apt-get upgrade. that's why you read the release notes and do it properly. it's done.
• 3796[22:58:32] <d3lphi> replaced-url
• 3797[22:58:33] <markybob> you're not fixing this
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• 3800[22:59:06] <d3lphi> oh my god, damn...
• 3801[22:59:26] <markybob> yeah. restore that snapshot now and bite the bullet. then read the release notes :/
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• 3803[22:59:50] <markybob> !wheezy->jessie
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• 3805[23:00:41] <TomTomTosch> !ping
• 3806[23:00:41] <dpkg> Yes, tomtomtosch, you are online.
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• 3808[23:00:49] <TomTomTosch> !wheezy->jessie
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• 3810[23:01:01] <TomTomTosch> weird.
• 3811[23:01:10] <markybob> d3lphi: the bot sent you instructions in pm
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• 3816[23:03:48] <d3lphi> markybob: thanks for the links. But just a sec. ==> I am NOT SURE if the machine was Wheezy before, maybe it was Jessie already. I did not maintain it before many times. But when I look into /etc/apt/sources.list I see everywhere "jessie" :/
• 3817[23:03:52] * d3lphi puzzled
• 3818[23:03:56] <d3lphi> maybe it was already Jessie ?
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• 3821[23:04:29] <markybob> d3lphi: that's how the upgrade process would start. and jessie upgrade doesn't make things like this happen if you're already in jessie
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• 3823[23:04:57] <d3lphi> is there a way to really CHECK what the machine was on before I did run "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" ?
• 3824[23:05:08] <markybob> no
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• 3926[23:56:37] <GRiZ_LOC> ntify YXYAMIHI
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• 3928[23:57:21] <teraflops> ಠ_ಠ
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