• 0[00:00:09] <pfred1> the trouble is your database depends on newer versions now
• 1[00:00:30] <unborn> roadrunna: can you please paste output of this command: lsb_release -a
• 2[00:00:35] <pfred1> you're in dependency hell ATM
• 3[00:00:36] <roadrunna> k
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• 5[00:00:59] <roadrunna> o LSB modules are available.
• 6[00:00:59] <roadrunna> Distributor ID: Debian
• 7[00:00:59] <roadrunna> Description: Debian GNU/Linux stable-updates (sid)
• 8[00:00:59] <roadrunna> Release: stable-updates
• 9[00:00:59] <roadrunna> Codename: sid
• 10[00:01:00] <pfred1> the easiest way out is ot just start fresh
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• 13[00:01:17] <unborn> sid.. so he is using unstable
• 14[00:01:28] <pfred1> the child with broken toys
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• 16[00:01:40] <unborn> roadrunna - use pastebin or something else..
• 17[00:01:48] <pfred1> they got kicked
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• 22[00:02:47] <unborn> as someone else mentioned he wont be able to install it on release which is not ready yet.. time saved ;)
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• 25[00:03:17] <unborn> roadrunna: next time use pastebin or something so you wont get kicked out.
• 26[00:03:26] <roadrunna> yeah sorry.
• 27[00:03:40] <styks1987> I am trying to set a specific color for my prompt in bash, however, when I reach the end of the line, it starts to overwrite the line instead of wrapping. Any suggestions?
• 28[00:04:01] <grawity> wrap the color codes in \[ \]
• 29[00:04:24] <styks1987> replaced-url
• 30[00:04:28] <unborn> roadrunna: as said message in this paste posted by you: replaced-url
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• 33[00:05:00] <styks1987> grawity: so escape the [?
• 34[00:05:06] <grawity> no
• 35[00:05:11] <unborn> and you running sid, which I think was not yet released (perhaps I am wrong.. let me check that)
• 36[00:05:13] <grawity> wrap the whole color code in \[ and \]
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• 38[00:05:52] <pfred1> unborn Sid never gets released it is rolling testing
• 39[00:06:21] <pfred1> well unstable
• 40[00:06:22] <Vizva> you test sid and you test us ;)
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• 43[00:06:55] <unborn> pfred1: ah.. that makes sense why I am not seeing it in next releases.. so yes roadrunna, you wont be able to install it on this one I think.. sorry.
• 44[00:07:18] <CharlieBrown> not being able to use Sid is why I am switching to Parabola
• 45[00:07:30] <pfred1> you can use Sid
• 46[00:07:36] <n4dir> how can one not be able to use Sid?
• 47[00:07:41] <pfred1> but when it breaks its on you
• 48[00:07:46] <CharlieBrown> I'm too lazy to use Sid
• 49[00:07:50] <unborn> you can use sid
• 50[00:08:04] <Vizva> its a lot of work and all the time come here and ask questions ;)
• 51[00:08:06] <roadrunna> I guess the dist-upgrade wasnt a good idea
• 52[00:08:09] <CharlieBrown> and everyone complains at me for being lazu
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• 54[00:08:39] <pfred1> people that run Sid should not have to ask quesitons they should be able to come up with their own answers
• 55[00:08:41] <unborn> roadrunna: just install jessie or current stable release
• 56[00:08:53] <unborn> roadrunna:
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• 58[00:09:06] <unborn> replaced-url
• 59[00:09:14] <CharlieBrown> pfred1 backports is not good enough.
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• 61[00:09:33] <pfred1> CharlieBrown not good enough for what?
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• 64[00:09:48] <n4dir> for chat on IRC ...
• 65[00:10:02] <x_> speaking of xorg and drivers, i'm wondering how long it will be until debian ships wayland default instead of X, I've heard good things about it
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• 71[00:10:36] <martinjungblut> x_: probably some more years
• 72[00:10:36] <unborn> roadrunna: if you are on hexchat click on window and in bottom of menu, system info.. next time that will make things much cleared in irc - for help from others
• 73[00:10:47] <pfred1> Xfree86 4evah!
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• 75[00:10:58] <CharlieBrown> pfred1 for having a modern system with KDE Connect and other wonderful modern programs
• 76[00:11:01] <martinjungblut> x_: I'm pretty sure there are things out there that Wayland doesn't do yet, or driver compatibility isn't that good so far
• 77[00:11:18] <pfred1> CharlieBrown I personally can't stand the new KDE I run Trinity
• 78[00:11:46] <martinjungblut> x_: I'm speculating, but X is old and stable, it will take a while for its replacement to settle in
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• 80[00:12:03] <CharlieBrown> I finally jumped on the ktrain *because* of plasma5.
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• 82[00:12:10] <x_> martinjungblut: yeah, there are still graphics issues with wayland
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• 85[00:12:20] <pfred1> which ain't as retro as my buddy DJ is who still runs fvwm
• 86[00:12:27] <CharlieBrown> I can't stand 4. and its unsupported now
• 87[00:12:33] <n4dir> martinjungblut: being old and stable doesn't seem to be an argument anymore ...
• 88[00:13:07] <martinjungblut> n4dir: not sure what you mean
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• 90[00:13:15] <mtn> stretch has gnome with wayland right now. by default
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• 92[00:13:45] <pfred1> n4dir no one is going to argue with DJ he maintains GCC
• 93[00:13:49] <n4dir> martinjungblut: there was a rather new init system just implemented as the default. That is what i meant. (a silly joke, just ignore)
• 94[00:14:00] <roadrunna> Client: HexChat 2.12.3 • OS: Debian stretch/sid • CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) X4 860K Quad Core Processor (1.70GHz) • Memory: Physical: 7.6 GiB Total (6.3 GiB Free) Swap: 4.5 GiB Total (4.5 GiB Free) • Storage: 1.1 TB / 2.0 TB (902.9 GB Free) • VGA: NVIDIA Corporation GF116 [GeForce GTX 550 Ti] @ Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD] Family 15h • Uptime: 1h 40m 20s
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• 97[00:14:32] <CharlieBrown> But yeah, I hate how debian basically says lazy/dumb people can't get kde5
• 98[00:14:52] <martinjungblut> n4dir: yeah, I thought you were referring to systemd/sysvinit, but I didn't want to explicitly go into that topic :P
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• 100[00:15:11] <n4dir> hence i was so vague (but really: just a silly joke, nothing more)
• 101[00:15:31] <pfred1> CharlieBrown I remember when KDE first came out i heard all the hype so I wanted to run it but my distro didn't support glibc2 so I couldn't until I made support for that
• 102[00:15:32] <martinjungblut> n4dir: I liked the joke, actually, good one
• 103[00:16:19] <n4dir> as long i don't have to run blackbox i am fine with old (versions)
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• 105[00:16:28] <n4dir> (yes, anther silly joke)
• 106[00:16:48] <pfred1> I like flux the best out of all the boxes
• 107[00:17:04] <n4dir> yup, like it too. out of box, nice and easy.
• 108[00:17:12] <martinjungblut> I don't feel like the *boxes buy me anything
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• 110[00:17:21] <pfred1> if i need that light weight a WM
• 111[00:17:28] <martinjungblut> Like, they're not as practical as a tiling wm, and not as good looking as a DE
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• 114[00:17:45] <pfred1> martinjungblut do real time control with old hardware
• 115[00:17:47] <martinjungblut> But of course, I could be very wrong about this
• 116[00:17:59] <n4dir> martinjungblut: but light and - as far fluxbox - easy to use. install it, use it, call it a day
• 117[00:18:00] <pfred1> you might want a lighter WM then
• 118[00:18:14] <x_> openbox here, pretty satisfied with it
• 119[00:18:22] <unborn> openbox is not bad too
• 120[00:18:24] <CharlieBrown> pfred1 well this is not 1996. stuff should just work. and a distro should not pride itself on being 2 years old
• 121[00:18:32] <CharlieBrown> out of date
• 122[00:18:44] <pfred1> CharlieBrown i liked Linux 20 years ago
• 123[00:18:50] <unborn> roadrunna: exactly, with that info, it would be cleared everything out sooner.. you know..
• 124[00:18:52] <pfred1> it was all godo then
• 125[00:18:53] <n4dir> CharlieBrown: you don't seem to get the main point of debian stable
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• 128[00:19:09] <martinjungblut> are the *boxes lighter than i3-wm?
• 129[00:19:21] <martinjungblut> or dwm
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• 131[00:19:30] <pfred1> martinjungblut fluxbox is like 64KB in RAM
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• 133[00:19:34] <CharlieBrown> pfred1 debian says if you're lazy or a noon then use stable or get out
• 134[00:19:35] <n4dir> i don't think the wm's differ much in being lightweight (assuming we speak of RAM usae and such)
• 135[00:19:48] <unborn> pfred1: ah fuck the ram.. its cheap
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• 137[00:20:12] <pfred1> unborn it can be but some systems are limited
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• 139[00:20:20] <martinjungblut> CharlieBrown: I'm not sure if you're trolling or trying to provide constructive criticism
• 140[00:20:39] <pfred1> up until a couple years ago I was using a 1GHz P3 with a 512MB system limit
• 141[00:20:47] <unborn> yeah sure.. I forgot on that.. well depends what you running it on.. pfred1 you right
• 142[00:20:59] <n4dir> pfred1: that's the spirit !
• 143[00:21:13] <styks1987> grawity: Tring to parse what you said with what I know about color codes. Could you give me a small example? I am already using [] but maybe I’m not doing it right
• 144[00:21:31] <martinjungblut> pfred1: what do you work with? I'm curious as to why you're using this old hardware
• 145[00:21:39] <pfred1> that system had a RAM issue so it was only using 24MB at one point I didn't evne notice until I opened up firefox
• 146[00:21:49] <n4dir> lol
• 147[00:21:57] <grawity> styks1987: PS1='\[\e[33m\]\u@\h\[\e[m\]\$ '
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• 150[00:22:08] <pfred1> martinjungblut it was a dedicated CNC controller box
• 151[00:22:21] <styks1987> grawity: thanks
• 152[00:22:26] <grawity> styks1987: \[ and \] mark the areas which are "zero-width", i.e. they set stuff but don't show up on screen
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• 155[00:22:30] <martinjungblut> pfred1: running debian?
• 156[00:22:30] <grawity> colors, terminal title, etc.
• 157[00:22:33] <unborn> martinjungblut: I use old hardware for my git server with web gui and it is serving me very well from long time ago..
• 158[00:22:35] <pfred1> martinjungblut yes
• 159[00:22:37] <unborn> or ssh backups
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• 161[00:22:42] <unborn> i mean over ssh
• 162[00:22:52] <n4dir> gitolite? unborn
• 163[00:22:53] <martinjungblut> it shows how well made debian is
• 164[00:22:58] <pfred1> my new controller runs Debian too
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• 166[00:23:23] <unborn> n4dir: nah just git
• 167[00:23:43] <n4dir> thanks
• 168[00:24:08] <pfred1> if I thought there was a better distro I'd be running it
• 169[00:24:36] <martinjungblut> I was a Slackware man for quite a while
• 170[00:24:40] <pfred1> me too
• 171[00:24:49] <pfred1> from 3.0 to 8
• 172[00:24:51] <martinjungblut> Then I moved to Arch, but it's just not good enough for anything serious
• 173[00:25:19] <styks1987> grawity: perfect. That worked. I got confused because I was using [] in the output as well. Thanks for the explanation
• 174[00:25:24] <unborn> n4dir: what you running it? i mean for git with webgui
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• 176[00:25:28] <roadrunna> I was previously using gentoo. Thought I'd give debian a try.
• 177[00:25:31] <pfred1> but everyone and their dog ran RH 7.1
• 178[00:25:39] <x_> heh i still have my slackware 3.3 cd
• 179[00:25:51] <martinjungblut> Slackware is still pretty good, even nowadays
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• 181[00:26:04] <martinjungblut> I was impressed with sbopkg
• 182[00:26:17] <martinjungblut> And their release cycle is very conservative
• 183[00:26:19] <pfred1> I really like Debian's package management system
• 184[00:26:20] <n4dir> sbotools ... :-)
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• 186[00:26:36] <n4dir> pfred1: a gem !
• 187[00:26:48] <roadrunna> I feel like a rolling distro is more suitable for me.
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• 190[00:27:12] <pfred1> I like to stay put
• 191[00:27:24] <martinjungblut> Rolling is fine for personal usage, but if you need to install something now and have a predictable scenario for 5 years, then you need a stable release
• 192[00:27:39] <martinjungblut> I remember when Arch removed mysql-workbench from their repositories
• 193[00:27:42] <roadrunna> yes I agree.
• 194[00:27:49] <martinjungblut> What the hell, people rely on stuff like that
• 195[00:28:01] <martinjungblut> And they dropped it
• 196[00:28:11] <martinjungblut> It's back now, but that move wasn't smart
• 197[00:28:11] <n4dir> or if you have 5 or 6 PCs at home you run now and then, and want no hazzle with packagemanagement
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• 199[00:28:42] <martinjungblut> I love how flexible debian is, if you want rolling, you can have rolling
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• 201[00:29:00] <pfred1> If Ron Popiel built a Computo-Matic it'd run Debian
• 202[00:29:15] <n4dir> martinjungblut: + all kind of architectures, + kFreeBSD and Hurd ...
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• 204[00:29:20] <pfred1> just set it, and forget it!
• 205[00:29:35] <martinjungblut> Yes! I got a Raspberry Pi a few days ago
• 206[00:29:54] <pfred1> martinjungblut gonna run Windows on it?
• 207[00:29:56] <martinjungblut> It was so good so install Raspbian and have i3 and all my tools available
• 208[00:30:04] <roadrunna> Just to play with or for a specific task?
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• 210[00:30:27] <martinjungblut> I want to learn assembly language, so I bought it mostly to fiddle with the ARM CPU
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• 212[00:30:44] <pfred1> MASM was sweet
• 213[00:31:25] <efloid> wow python filecmp.cmpfiles is very powerful
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• 216[00:32:02] <CharlieBrown> you cant have rolling . You you have to read a lot
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• 218[00:32:38] <martinjungblut> CharlieBrown: hmm, no idea what you mean
• 219[00:33:16] <martinjungblut> CharlieBrown: I was running unstable on my laptop for 2 years and the only thing I did was be careful while managing packages
• 220[00:33:42] <CharlieBrown> "use stable. stop using Sid as your main system idiot"
• 221[00:33:55] <martinjungblut> You can use sid as your main system
• 222[00:34:17] <martinjungblut> You just need to read what apt/aptitude will do before pressing 'Y'
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• 224[00:34:24] <CharlieBrown> I read everything and was very conservative didn't install a thing and it still barfed
• 225[00:34:30] <CharlieBrown> I even did it twice
• 226[00:34:35] <martinjungblut> And occasionally fix something manually yourself
• 227[00:34:52] <CharlieBrown> by read everything I mean list bugs
• 228[00:34:56] <martinjungblut> "Twice" isn't the amount of times it takes to learn something well
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• 232[00:35:36] <martinjungblut> No offence, but you sound too harsh on this one
• 233[00:35:41] <exa_ways> I was following a guide to install and configure deluge and stubled upon that part "Now enable it to start up on boot" using systemctl. I do not really understand what it does. Is it absolutely neccesary to run it at all or is it a kind of autostart convenience thing that could also be done only when I want to use deluge?
• 234[00:35:54] <CharlieBrown> learn something? I'm just trying to install the thing. I even asked 5 sid users if what I was doing made sense amd they said yes
• 235[00:35:54] <n4dir> not sure what is hard bout reading apt-listbugs ...
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• 238[00:36:45] <CharlieBrown> n4dir I thought I stayed clear of all offenses listed there but NO
• 239[00:37:06] <n4dir> perhaps no one reported a bug yet (that is: then)
• 240[00:37:16] <ghutzriop> hi, my router was restarted and my homeserver is not registered as hostname.lan anymore. how do I republish this info?
• 241[00:37:39] <n4dir> wait a bit, and usually your system is up and running again (often at the same day, seldom a week)
• 242[00:37:51] <martinjungblut> CharlieBrown: you can also try testing if you want a rolling system that's undergone some more stabilisation
• 243[00:37:54] <CharlieBrown> n4dir and it goes back to "use the crappy stuff or rot in development hell"
• 244[00:38:12] <n4dir> well: for you. for others it works fine
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• 246[00:38:36] <CharlieBrown> maybe testing is ok but ode people said plasma is utterly broken there and my experience confirmed this.
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• 248[00:38:45] <n4dir> i didn't have much problems with sid (rather: none at all)
• 249[00:38:58] <CharlieBrown> kde people, kde users
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• 252[00:40:11] <CharlieBrown> I don't want to chase bugs just to have nice things that are already in Ubuntu. I would use Ubuntu but it is too much work to keep proprietary software out of it.
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• 257[00:43:20] <wigust> For me unstable is wrong word. SID uses only stable packages from upstream. So it's actyally stable. Another talk that it changes a lot. That is not good for server but good for desktop.
• 258[00:44:42] <CharlieBrown> I've read all this.
• 259[00:44:46] <n4dir> wigust: might be due to historical reasons. I started using Sid in ... hmmm ... 2008 ? .. not that unstable during that time (but you read hardcore stories from the past)
• 260[00:44:51] <CharlieBrown> I'm docs, etc.
• 261[00:45:04] <CharlieBrown> Still refused to boot.
• 262[00:45:48] <ryouma> some have said that debian has obsolete (stable), insecure (testing), and broken (unstable). but i don't know of a better solution.
• 263[00:46:10] <grawity> testing gets security updates, doesn't it?
• 264[00:46:31] <ryouma> i don't think you can count on it always getting them
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• 268[00:50:33] <n4dir> CharlieBrown: did you look at aptosid or the other one. iirc comes with kde per default, and (is said to) help offering a more or less painless, comfortable way to run sid
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• 272[00:51:12] <n4dir> you seem to be happy with parabola, just saying that there are projects (distros) which might focus on such needs
• 273[00:51:16] <CharlieBrown> n4dir does it enable nonfree or contrib
• 274[00:51:24] <n4dir> you can't disable it?
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• 276[00:52:16] <CharlieBrown> the point of using debian is to use a very popular distro without worrying about purging nonfree software
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• 278[00:52:59] <CharlieBrown> parabola is ok but it is still a fork.
• 279[00:53:03] <n4dir> if only that was the point.
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• 281[00:54:23] <CharlieBrown> debian is the only distro that is free by default without being some ghetto distro that nobody has heard of
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• 283[00:55:17] <n4dir> yup, but not many seem to care for it (might be my little corner of the world, but i seldom hear people admire that part of debian)
• 284[00:55:39] <CharlieBrown> trisquel and others have horrible community support because it's so small. debian is big
• 285[00:56:36] <n4dir> i for one have liked the free part of debian, i don't care much for software versions, i didn't have much problems with running sid and i don't run kde
• 286[00:57:01] <n4dir> so for me debian was good. I see that you got different needs, but to me the focus was on the free part
• 287[00:57:02] <CharlieBrown> n4dir you dont care about free software? .... I want to strangle you. I'm so tired of every single distro being littered with software I don't need or want.
• 288[00:57:16] <n4dir> i didn't say that at all
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• 314[01:15:53] <ubikite> hey, i'm trying to install 8.6 from netinst image. installation gives me this error: mirror does not support the specified release. what do you think i'm missing?
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• 316[01:16:26] <ubikite> checked nameserver and it's working fine.
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• 331[01:22:46] <efloid> odd i can't get fdupes to work. i run fdupes -dN dir1 and it doesn't delete the dupes
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• 334[01:23:59] <efloid> omg. when i use --delete instead of -d it works :-/
• 335[01:24:06] <efloid> bug!
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• 338[01:25:40] <efloid> oh my mistake. i forgot -r switch. fdupes -rdN dir1 doh!
• 339[01:26:11] <mihaicmn> hi there, I tried to install
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• 343[01:28:16] <mihaicmn> debian 8.6.0 on my laptop and the installer could not detect the wifi card (intel 8265). Do you have any ideas on how to solve this issue?
• 344[01:30:16] <themill> That device will need non-free firmware, are you using the installer image that comes with the firmware? (or are you otherwise supplying the firmware on a usb stick?)
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• 350[01:34:36] <mihaicmn> I used the netinst iso from a usb stick
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• 352[01:36:38] <mihaicmn> Downloaded the firmware ucode file, placed it within the /lib/firmware folder, and reloaded the iwlwifi kernel module.
• 353[01:37:26] <mihaicmn> But the wifi link was not present (ip link show)
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• 367[01:44:12] <abbemsly> I am trying to install Debian "Jessie" 8.6, however whenever Debian can't detect the network drivers, it prom,pts me to select one, I know the driver, that isn't the problem, the problem is, whenever I select said driver (or any driver for that matter), it just refreshes the list. I've tried this on graphical and non-graphical and I'm using UEFI.
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• 382[01:50:24] <abbemsly> This happens on the "Ethernet card" screen btw.
• 383[01:51:25] <abbemsly> is it because im using netinstall?
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• 408[02:03:18] <rrt> hi, i just installed it and my hdmi doesnt work... any help?
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• 411[02:04:09] <tp43_> anyone tried Cordova, its annoying cause it expects google-chrome or chromium-browser executables instead of just chromium which is what debian has
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• 424[02:12:24] <awal1> , cordova
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• 428[02:12:35] <awal1> ,v cordova
• 429[02:12:36] <judd> No package named 'cordova' was found in amd64.
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• 434[02:16:56] <mohammad-ghasemi> hello, chromioum does not show some pages correctly. Is it a problem of debian? (maybe because of being out of date.)
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• 440[02:18:33] <cast> mohammad-ghasemi: post a screenshot. it's probably not a debian problem, though
• 441[02:18:41] <tomreyn> mohammad-ghasemi: can you provide an example URL and your debian release version?
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• 450[02:24:08] <mohammad-ghasemi> cast, tomreyn I had the problem for several day. But now it is fix. Most probably it because of the apt-get update I did today
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• 454[02:25:25] <tomreyn> mohammad-ghasemi: okay, glad it is fixed, so it wasn't censorship i guess
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• 456[02:26:03] <mohammad-ghasemi> tomreyn: no it wasn't. Did you know where I am?
• 457[02:26:12] <tomreyn> there was a recent general issue with chromium's access to SSL websites, could also be this.
• 458[02:26:27] <tomreyn> mohammad-ghasemi: well i looked up your ip address on a whois database
• 459[02:26:34] <mohammad-ghasemi> tomreyn: yes I read about that ssl problem
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• 462[02:27:13] <cast> ...Interesting, Iran?
• 463[02:27:35] <mohammad-ghasemi> tomreyn: when they censor something they redirect you to a list of "good" websites (like religious websites) lol
• 464[02:27:47] <mohammad-ghasemi> cast yes
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• 466[02:27:53] <tomreyn> oh i wasnt aware they redirect
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• 468[02:28:19] <cast> well, keep in mind that infrastructure will be full of bugs too, occasionally breaking rather than redirecting you
• 469[02:29:33] <mohammad-ghasemi> cast good point. And of course that happens a lot. for example, youtube gets censored and uncersored every several days.
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• 472[02:30:50] <mohammad-ghasemi> so we're famous (not for a good thing though, but anyway)
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• 474[02:32:32] <cast> if it makes you feel any better, the west is following suit
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• 477[02:34:20] <mohammad-ghasemi> cast noooo, why?
• 478[02:34:47] <tomreyn> because, there, too, people are too broadly minded to be handled easily.
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• 482[02:35:39] <mohammad-ghasemi> tomreyn: exactly
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• 495[02:43:49] <mohammad-ghasemi> thank you cast tomreyn
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• 566[03:45:27] <tp43_> Please help me work with env variables replaced-url
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• 574[03:52:02] <norsu> Hi all! I have a question about Python 2.x in Debian (Ubuntu): before I start my Python program which uses pyserial, I wan't to make sure the serial port is not in use so I want to delete a lock file in "/var/lock/LCK..ttyUSB0". How do I do that programmatically? I need sudo.
• 575[03:52:07] <themill> tp43_: in what way does it not work? (how are you testing it)
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• 579[03:52:55] <tp43_> themill, $java -version, $javac -version, I did $source ~/.bashrc and I closed shell and restarted too
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• 581[03:53:40] <themill> tp43_: two problems: you need $JAVA_BIN not JAVA_BIN; it would need to be earlier on PATH not later
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• 584[03:55:25] <tp43_> themill, thx
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• 586[03:56:07] <tp43_> themill, what do you mean, 'need to be earlier on PATH not later'?
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• 588[03:56:44] <norsu> the code that I try to handle this is try: os.remove('rm /var/lock/LCK..USBtty0')
• 589[03:56:49] <tp43_> themill, works now, thx a mill
• 590[03:56:56] <themill> norsu: it's normally very unlikely that deleting a lock file is the right thing to do. What created that lock file, is it still running, why didn't it fix it up
• 591[03:57:34] <themill> tp43_: PATH=mystuff:$PATH vs PATH=$PATH:mystuff. PATH is searched in order and the first match wins
• 592[03:57:45] <norsu> ok thanks themill
• 593[03:58:34] <norsu> Well I am actually pretty certain it will not be running when by python code is running...just to try to make things robust :)
• 594[03:58:56] <themill> Incorrectly dealing with locks is not the way to make robust code
• 595[03:59:16] <tp43_> themill, so the stuff already in my PATH is probably more important and used more often, so probably better if it is searched first no?
• 596[04:00:11] <themill> tp43_: you order PATH so that the things you want to match first are first; order is important not something to try to optimise
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• 598[04:00:45] <tp43_> themill, oh I see, thx my good man
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• 711[04:26:28] <hiyo> sorry pcdummy about getting back to you so late, but there's no logs for netfilter-persistent that show up in /var/log. and the logs that show from getting the status from systemd aren't helpful (they just say it failed to execute)
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• 717[04:29:45] <alxndr1> hi!
• 718[04:29:48] <alxndr1> anyone here?
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• 721[04:30:13] <dvs> nope
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• 784[05:15:46] <requiemforadream> howdoyoudo,ladies and gentlemen!give me string to paste into root@terminal to close all listening ports)
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• 787[05:18:04] <requiemforadream> fieyu, 1592 users and no answer, that's a case)
• 788[05:18:32] <somiaj_> requiemforadream: netstat -a will list them, turn off the services that are listening with systemctl
• 789[05:18:46] <somiaj_> or use iptables and set up a block for incomming connenctions
• 790[05:19:14] <requiemforadream> thanks,co!
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• 797[05:21:15] <requiemforadream> somiaj_, bash: dmcvkdsmcvls: no such command)
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• 802[05:22:29] <somiaj_> requiemforadream: what? what command did you run? I don't know or did not suggest running the command dmcvkdsmvcls
• 803[05:22:38] <somiaj_> sounds like you wanted 'ls' but had some extra characters
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• 809[05:24:21] <z8z> Is there any supported nvidia card which works with some opensource driver? Where can i find a list?
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• 812[05:25:27] <somiaj> z8z: nouveau supports most nvidia cards, espically the older generations (like 800 series and before)
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• 814[05:25:39] <somiaj> z8z: you can look up which cards the nouveau driver supports.
• 815[05:25:55] <somiaj> replaced-url
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• 819[05:27:01] <z8z> somiaj: oh thanks... is this a community project for graphic card driver?
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• 821[05:27:47] <somiaj> z8z: I belive that nvidia has even helped with it (for older cards). I personally use the non-free driver, but I don't have issues with it.
• 822[05:28:24] <maskarito> so 2weeks of trying diff distros including some very polished new ones with unbelievably light hardware reqs....but as a noob the debian derivative point linux was the most comfy and reliable
• 823[05:28:25] <somiaj> z8z: for older cards or for those who want free drivers nouveau is decent. Though I think you need to be a few years oudated on actual card you use, unsure on the specifics though.
• 824[05:29:18] <z8z> somiaj: i see.... so Debian with only free repository uses nouveau by default?
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• 826[05:29:35] <z8z> somiaj: i just need for CUBA tbh... not gaming
• 827[05:29:37] <requiemforadream> thanks!cutting a head over diversion,somiaj!
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• 830[05:31:16] <somiaj> z8z: yes debian should be using nouveau by default with no configuration.
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• 842[05:44:46] <Blendify> hi, I installed the amd64 netinst iso and edited the grub file to include the menu entry. But I can not boot to it any ideas?
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• 844[05:45:11] <z8z> somiaj: Thanks a lot for your help
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• 846[05:45:41] <somiaj> Blendify: what do you mean edited the grub file? Are you not using the grub installed by debian, that should include the boot items by default?
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• 848[05:46:11] <Blendify> No I am in another linux distro
• 849[05:46:34] <somiaj> Blendify: so you want to use the other linux distros grub to boot debian?
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• 851[05:46:58] <Blendify> I want to but debian
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• 853[05:47:27] <Blendify> I would have to use this distros grub
• 854[05:47:57] <somiaj> Blendify: have you double checked the partition (and its uuid) and maybe even chrooted into it to ensure the kernel and initrd images are where you say they are? is /boot accessable outside of any encryption?
• 855[05:48:37] <somiaj> Blendify: anyways, support for configuring grub on another linux distro really isn't #debian related. In debian there is a package os-prober which tries to add other distros/oses automatically if you want debian to control grub.
• 856[05:48:43] <Blendify> I have no encryption
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• 858[05:49:37] <somiaj> Blendify: alternativally if using efi, you could have both the debian grub and other distro grub independent and just use your firmware to choose between them.
• 859[05:49:39] <Blendify> I am trying to switch over to debian
• 860[05:49:50] <somiaj> Blendify: I would just use debian to control grub
• 861[05:49:52] <somiaj> !fixmbr
• 862[05:49:52] <dpkg> To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
• 863[05:50:07] <somiaj> Blendify: so from your other os, mount your debian install somewhere (/target is suggested but you can mount it anywhere)
• 864[05:50:40] <demo> is debian faster than mint?
• 865[05:50:40] <somiaj> Blendify: chroot into the the install and then update-grub and grub-install it on the correct disk. From there you will be booting debian. AFter that os-prober should find your other oses and boot from them.
• 866[05:51:43] <somiaj> demo: I would say no. Debian may provide alternative (lighter weight) software that would run faster that mint may not repackage. But in terms of kernels/speed I would say they are equivlant. But in terms of a desktop a lot of preformance can be related to the de or minmial wm you choose to use.
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• 870[05:55:38] <demo> suppose, I am using Mint xfce aaand want to compare it to Debian with xfce?
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• 873[05:56:33] <somiaj> I would say comparable. There may be some differences but I woudln't say anything major.
• 874[05:56:44] <Blendify> mount: /dev/loop0 is write-protected, mounting read-only
• 875[05:57:02] <somiaj> Blendify: you installed on a loop back device?
• 876[05:57:08] <n4dir1> as far it's me debian usually used at least less ram than most other distros with a similar setup
• 877[05:57:24] <demo> which is more preferable?
• 878[05:57:26] <n4dir1> probably as lesser services ran, not sure. But that is the past, not sure if valid anymore
• 879[05:57:34] <somiaj> Blendify: not an actual partition?
• 880[05:57:45] <somiaj> demo: well you are in #debian, you know what we would recomend.
• 881[05:58:07] <Blendify> sudo mount -o loop /home/aaron/Downloads/debian-8.6.0-amd64-netinst.iso /mnt/mount_point
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• 883[05:58:12] <somiaj> demo: note mint could be based of off ubuntu, run more automatic services, or even have a newer version of xfce (which could include more features/memeory use/etc)
• 884[05:58:13] <demo> because, what I have read is , Ubuntu is based on debian and Mint is based on Ubuntu.
• 885[05:58:22] <somiaj> Blendify: why are you trying to mount the netinstaller?
• 886[05:58:25] <awal1> demo: when people say "mint is lighter/faster than ubuntu" they usually refer to the DE. so if you run debian lxde vs mint cinnamon you can guess
• 887[05:59:07] <somiaj> demo: the choice of distro is personal, what one do you like, what provides you the software you need, what tools are you use to. Also note you also choose support, if not using Debian, this is not the correct channel.
• 888[05:59:09] <Blendify> Because I am a newb ;)
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• 890[05:59:14] <demo> can I expect the goodness of debian and Ubuntu in Mint?
• 891[05:59:38] <tp43_> Blendify, forget about mounting loop, anyway, you never need to use mount anymore, things are all automounted these days
• 892[05:59:42] <somiaj> demo: if you ahve questions about Mint, you should ask their support.
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• 894[06:00:03] <somiaj> tp43_: in this case, he needs to mount the root fs of an install which is probabaly not automatically mounted.
• 895[06:00:08] <somiaj> s/he/they/
• 896[06:00:12] <demo> if I encouter any problem in Mint, can I expect a solution in Debian?
• 897[06:00:27] <Rusty1_> !mint
• 898[06:00:28] <dpkg> Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at replaced-url
• 899[06:00:38] <somiaj> demo: if you experience a problem in Mint, you will use mints support to debug it.
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• 902[06:00:53] <somiaj> demo: if debian also has that problem will be dependent on the bug/problem you ran into.
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• 904[06:01:12] <demo> ok. I like the stability of Debian, though.
• 905[06:01:15] <somiaj> demo: again it sounds like you have questions about mint, not debian. So go to the right places to ask questions about mint.
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• 911[06:04:02] <awal1> demo: just run debian; it's easy when you get used. any custom config made by ubuntu, mint, bunslabs is achievable under debian; for a standard en user, who doesn't care about policies and so, it's just a matter of customization and adding/installing non-free stuff
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• 916[06:05:03] <awal1> bunsenlabs ^
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• 918[06:05:30] <demo> whtis bunsenlabs?
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• 920[06:05:39] <demo> what is?
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• 923[06:06:50] <demo> what percentage of Ubuntu is Debian?
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• 925[06:07:11] <demo> since, Ubuntu relies heavily on Debian.
• 926[06:08:01] <maskarito> aww man i thought this was the # for any debian derivative
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• 929[06:08:29] <maskarito> my distro has no #
• 930[06:08:36] <maskarito> point linux
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• 947[06:16:59] <phteven> hi channel. is this a good place for sharing experiences of iommu on debian (virtualisation stuff)?
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• 949[06:17:32] <Cyis_> anyone had the problem with their mouse cursor just constantly wanting to go to the top right hand corner?
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• 951[06:18:04] <phteven> i've had that sort of thing on cordless when the batteries are low
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• 953[06:18:25] <Cyis_> this is on a laptop with touchpad
• 954[06:18:31] <phteven> oh
• 955[06:19:10] <Cyis_> was a PITA just to get a terminal open so I could run irssi
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• 961[06:21:44] <Cyis> would love to find a fix for it otherwise I'll probably go buy a new hard drive and reinstall fresh
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• 963[06:22:20] <phteven> i'm new here. not really in a position to play expert. you know you can ctrl-al-fn, though?
• 964[06:22:54] <Cyis> yep... I can go to a console terminal and it works fine... just the mouse not behaving
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• 967[06:27:17] <phteven> could only google for you. i'd imagine mouse configuation is down to the x server
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• 969[06:29:08] <Cyis> I'm going through the Xorg logs but haven't found any smoking gun there yet
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• 972[06:29:50] <phteven> any references to driver it's using? this looks interesting replaced-url
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• 975[06:34:47] <Cyis> yeah it's using synaptics... detects it as an AlpsPS/2 ALPS DualPoint TouchPad
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• 986[06:39:03] <Cyis> it's almost like it's getting event data from somewhere and getting confused but I can't isolate where from so I can fix it
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• 988[06:41:36] <somiaj> Cyis: might be something with your touchpad, do you have a usb mouse you could use and disable the touchpad to test?
• 989[06:41:41] <Cyis> if I 'rmmod psmouse' I do lose the mouse entirely which means it isn't moving at all :)
• 990[06:42:03] <somiaj> Cyis: yea just disable it with xinput
• 991[06:42:18] <somiaj> well if you remove psmouse, a usbmouse should still work, have a usb mouse?
• 992[06:42:27] <Cyis> somiaj: I have a USB wireless Logitech mouse and keyboard on my desktop computer in the other room
• 993[06:42:46] <somiaj> Cyis: I'd try that, you shoudl be able to just plug in the wireless dongle and it work.
• 994[06:43:10] <somiaj> Cyis: at least you can track it down to either a hardware issue with the touchpad or a driver issue, this on debian jessie?
• 995[06:43:15] <Cyis> I didn't have xinput installed... installing now to see if it says anything
• 996[06:43:38] <somiaj> Cyis: it won't say anything, but it gives you a way to control the current input devices from the command line. I use it so I can toggle my touchpad
• 997[06:43:42] <Cyis> somiaj: yes, this is Debian Jessie and it's current as I've recently done an upgrade
• 998[06:43:45] <somiaj> Cyis: mostly because I don't like touch pads and use a usb mouse
• 999[06:44:31] <Cyis> xinput list shows me with 3 core pointer devices
• 1000[06:45:34] <Cyis> a 'Virtual core XTEST pointer', 'DualPoint Stick' and 'AlpsPS/2 ALPS DualPoint TouchPad'
• 1001[06:46:21] <somiaj> you can disable the AlpsPS/2 with xinput for when testing a usb mouse
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• 1003[06:46:52] <odigem> hi
• 1004[06:47:08] <odigem> how to install drivers for intel 510 grapics card?
• 1005[06:47:09] <somiaj> odigem: greetings
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• 1007[06:47:24] <somiaj> odigem: you shouldn't have to do anythign special for the intel graphics card. Are you on debian jessie?
• 1008[06:47:40] <odigem> i newly install debian jessy
• 1009[06:47:57] <Cyis> somiaj: you're on to something there...
• 1010[06:48:05] <odigem> i can't select resolution
• 1011[06:48:15] <odigem> and have troubles with some apps
• 1012[06:48:17] <Cyis> I disabled the DualPoint Stick (id=12) and left the touchpad enabled...
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• 1014[06:48:47] <somiaj> Cyis: did it work?
• 1015[06:48:56] <Cyis> the eraser head stick between the G & H keys is disabled now but the Touchpad appears to be working and cursor is responding properly
• 1016[06:49:09] <somiaj> odigem: I don't know the intel cards that well, but not seeming to find any linux driver for the 510 from intel, looking up support
• 1017[06:49:29] <somiaj> Cyis: maybe that stick thing was stuck in a direction.
• 1018[06:49:46] <odigem> somiaj: maybe need install some packet?
• 1019[06:50:06] <Cyis> yeah... wouldn't surprise me that it happened in the night. I've caught my cat jumping up here on top of it before
• 1020[06:51:05] <Cyis> as soon as I re-enable the stick the cursor flies off to the upper right corner... so guess I have to figure out how to disable it permanently
• 1021[06:51:36] <somiaj> Cyis: you can either make an xorg.conf snippet to disable it, or set up an autorun script to run that xinput command when your de boots
• 1022[06:51:39] <somiaj> !xorg.conf.d
• 1023[06:51:39] <dpkg> xorg can use files ending in the suffix .conf in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d for additional configuration. It is preferred to use an <empty xorg.conf> and create files (e.g. 20-nvidia.conf, 20-radeon.conf, 20-wacom.conf) there in order to configure a single device. You might have to create the directory yourself (mkdir /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d). See also "man 5 xorg.conf".
• 1024[06:51:55] <somiaj> odigem: trying to figure out what linux kernel/intel graphics driver supports that card
• 1025[06:52:38] <Cyis> somiaj: yeah so far I've done no custom Xorg configurations so it's all auto-detected
• 1026[06:53:04] <somiaj> Cyis: yea you will have to create the file. If you do it with xorg.conf or with xinput in a startup script for your DE/WM is mostly personal choice
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• 1030[06:54:15] <Sifo_dyas> any kali advanced users here?
• 1031[06:54:23] <somiaj> !kali
• 1032[06:54:23] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
• 1033[06:54:32] <somiaj> Sifo_dyas: this is a debian channel, join #kali-linux for kali users
• 1034[06:54:50] <Sifo_dyas> thanks somiaj:)
• 1035[06:55:07] <somiaj> odigem: can you share your /var/log/Xorg.0.log file at paste.debian.net (want to see what drivers you are actually using)
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• 1037[06:56:24] <somiaj> odigem: I found a post that says you may need a 4.4 or newer kernels.
• 1038[06:56:52] <somiaj> odigem: you may just need to install a linux kernel from jessie-backports along with the newer xserver-xorg-video-intel driver from jessie-backports. These are provided to support newer hardwaer in jessie
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• 1045[07:01:47] <Cyis> somiaj: so looks like I need to disable /dev/input/mouse0 (stick) but leave /dev/input/mouse1 (touchpad)
• 1046[07:04:10] <somiaj> Cyis: I'm unsure on the syntax in xorg.conf to identify them. I setup xinput on a toggle button so I can enable/disable mine
• 1047[07:04:36] <somiaj> Cyis: what DE do you use?
• 1048[07:05:02] <Cyis> somiaj: GDM
• 1049[07:06:06] <somiaj> GDM?
• 1050[07:06:10] <Cyis> Gnome
• 1051[07:06:32] <somiaj> I would suggest writting a small .desktop file to run that script and put it in $HOME/.local/autostart or whever the xdg specification says to put it
• 1052[07:06:46] <somiaj> then just run that input command automatically each time you login.
• 1053[07:06:56] <nkuttler> um.. shouldn't /usr/bin/x-replaced-url
• 1054[07:07:15] <somiaj> nkuttler: is it not a symlink?
• 1055[07:07:33] <nkuttler> somiaj: nope, but i installed google's chrome package..
• 1056[07:07:49] <somiaj> nkuttler: I have google chromes package install and mine is still a link
• 1057[07:07:56] <somiaj> nkuttler: try 'dpkg -S /usr/bin/x-replaced-url
• 1058[07:08:00] <nkuttler> weird
• 1059[07:08:06] <nkuttler> yeah, it's in no package
• 1060[07:08:24] <somiaj> nkuttler: ln -fs /etc/alternatives/x-replaced-url
• 1061[07:08:38] <somiaj> nkuttler: maybe something overwrote it, maybe update-alternatives failed in creating the link in the first place
• 1062[07:08:52] <nkuttler> yeah, i'll just fix it, ty
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• 1074[07:17:31] <Cyis> somiaj: thanks that gets me in the right direction... about to reboot to force it to reset and see if my fix holds
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• 1078[07:26:55] <r37r0uv33> !Cyis
• 1079[07:26:56] <dpkg> cyis is, like, the coolest
• 1080[07:27:04] <r37r0uv33> !dpkg
• 1081[07:27:04] <dpkg> well, dpkg is the program used by Debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>.
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• 1083[07:27:39] <somiaj> r37r0uv33: /msg dpkg factoid
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• 1090[07:35:12] <Cyis> somiaj: thanks for the assist
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• 1093[07:40:16] <Cyis> somiaj: replaced-url
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• 1096[07:43:36] <Cyis> oddly enough it looked like the DualPoint Stick was being detected as an evdev device rather than synaptics device
• 1097[07:43:45] <Cyis> but I got it disabled on bootup now
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• 1560[09:18:28] <alipoor90> assuming I have `-A INPUT -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT` at the top of my ruleset, does using `-A INPUT -m state --state NEW -p tcp -m multiport --dports 22000 -j ACCEPT` decreases performance compared to `-A INPUT -p tcp --dport 22000 -j ACCEPT` ?
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• 1563[09:19:56] <somiaj> alipoor90: ##networking may be of more help.
• 1564[09:20:07] <alipoor90> Thanks
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• 1567[09:21:34] <alxndr1> hello all!
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• 1578[09:31:04] <bencc> can I use custom font folder for a specific process?
• 1579[09:31:16] <bencc> like, start libreoffice instance with a custom font folder
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• 1590[09:36:24] <c-c> bencc: what would 'custom font folder' imply? Non-OS fonts?
• 1591[09:37:30] <c-c> bencc: you probably can install anything in user home if you like
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• 1601[09:41:31] <bencc> c-c: run one libreoffice instance with font X and a second libreoffice instance with font Y
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• 1606[09:42:22] <c-c> bencc: ok, you want to change the font for the UI?
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• 1608[09:43:11] <bencc> c-c: no. I want to change the fonts available for LibreOffice to display a document
• 1609[09:43:27] <bencc> I can use docker but wonder if it's possible to do it without it
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• 1635[09:53:26] <red3curity1> hi :) , in debian 4 when system boot over usb flash , after "attached scsi removable disk sda" system hangs and goes to (initramfs) command line ....
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• 1637[09:53:34] <red3curity1> what is problem here ?
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• 1644[10:00:11] <c-c> red3curity1: can you see kernel logs
• 1645[10:01:05] <c-c> - getting at, does it crash
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• 1647[10:02:37] <c-c> I guess the other reason is, cannot mount root fs, red3curity1
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• 1651[10:04:23] <red3curity1> c-c: i guess debian can mount rootfs and in logs kernel say it , but when kernel want to attached scsi removable disk , some thing goes wrong ...
• 1652[10:05:02] <c-c> I've never seen the message "some thing goes wrong"
• 1653[10:05:07] <c-c> wow, is that in kernel.log? wow
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• 1659[10:08:32] <red3curity1> c-c: :)) i say something goes wrong :d / i mean problem is in "attached scsi removable disk" step .
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• 1665[10:10:53] <c-c> red3curity1: well dmesg or kernel.log or it didn't happen
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• 1718[10:57:39] <czvpka> h e l l o
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• 1855[12:11:55] <choice> Hello and happy holidays everybody!
• 1856[12:12:00] <choice> After running for a while, my the process that uses most memory on my debian server is irqbalance. Is that something to worry about?
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• 1978[13:27:14] <acutres> hello people of debian
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• 1983[13:30:34] <Bonn333> acutres: hi
• 1984[13:31:03] <waflessnet> o7
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• 2015[13:48:36] <OtakuSenpai> is there a dpkg command to check for which version of sdl2 is installed in my system?
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• 2020[13:50:09] <SynrGy> OtakuSenpai: the library or the headers?
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• 2022[13:50:28] <OtakuSenpai> the library,i need it for linking
• 2023[13:50:29] <SynrGy> you need the headers if you want to compile something with sdl2
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• 2026[13:51:02] <SynrGy> apt-cache policy libsdl2-2.0-0
• 2027[13:51:18] <OtakuSenpai> ok thnx
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• 2069[14:19:20] <jamesl> should I configure /etc/logrotate.d for a log that will never fill? I have made a log saying the dats and times of all ACPI shutdowns, it will never grow to any significant size as it is rarely switched off. Should I still configure logrotate?
• 2070[14:19:28] <jamesl> dates*
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• 2074[14:20:34] <dvs> jamesl, if the log file grows, I'd still configure it.
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• 2076[14:21:35] <jamesl> ah ,okay
• 2077[14:21:57] <jamesl> I'll definitely configure my backup log since that produces around 100 lines of output for each backup
• 2078[14:22:01] <jamesl> and backups are weekly
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• 2085[14:25:56] <DrTosh> hello i have a question. I try to install kvm on my debian server but if i try to create a vm it says that there is no kvm available
• 2086[14:26:10] <DrTosh> how can i load the kvm kernel module?
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• 2098[14:28:44] <DrTosh> how can i load the kvm kernel module?
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• 2101[14:29:19] <SynrGy> it should be in your kernel
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• 2103[14:29:37] <teraflops> DrTosh: what's the real issue there?
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• 2105[14:29:59] <jamesl> is your server openVZ by any chance?
• 2106[14:30:00] <SynrGy> DrTosh: are you starting the vm as root or as your user? if as your user, are you in the kvm group?
• 2107[14:31:24] <teraflops> we can play the guess game or they can tell about the real issue behind their question
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• 2109[14:31:30] <SynrGy> hm. not sure if non-root operation is possible without libvirt
• 2110[14:31:32] * SynrGy nods
• 2111[14:31:57] <SynrGy> DrTosh: what are you trying to do. what do you expect to happen, and what happens instead? give the actual command and any output
• 2112[14:32:03] <SynrGy> DrTosh: and use paste.debian.net
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• 2139[14:53:58] <Sabotender> is it possible to upgrade cinnamon DE in debian?
• 2140[14:54:40] <SynrGy> in stable? no. for each stable release there is one and only one version of a desktop environment until the next stable release.
• 2141[14:54:54] <SynrGy> and those releases happen approximately two years apart.
• 2142[14:55:08] <SynrGy> Sabotender: what's your issue with the current version you want to solve?
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• 2144[14:55:18] <Sabotender> so for now I am stuck with 2.2.16?
• 2145[14:55:36] <Sabotender> SynrG: cinnamon is missing a few system settings, like 'Privacy' setting
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• 2147[14:55:55] <SynrGy> then you wait until stretch releases, and then you'll have that.
• 2148[14:56:07] <Sabotender> I had to hack my way to disable that stupid 'Recent Files' section
• 2149[14:56:34] <Sabotender> ah, okay. Also 'Screen Saver' seems to be missing too
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• 2151[14:56:46] <Sabotender> I mean it might be somewhere, but not where I usually see it
• 2152[14:56:54] <SynrGy> screensavers are an obsolete concept :p
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• 2154[14:57:04] <Sabotender> shh, I love screen savers
• 2155[14:57:21] <SynrGy> they needlessly eat power
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• 2159[14:57:57] <exa_ways> Is this a typo in the wiki? /etc/gdm3/greeter.gconf-defaults
• 2160[14:58:26] <SynrGy> it may be instructions for an older debian release. which page?
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• 2162[14:58:45] <exa_ways> replaced-url
• 2163[14:58:46] <SynrGy> you can check the revision history of the page and see how old it is
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• 2165[14:59:14] <SynrGy> in general, the doc that ships with your debian release will be more up-to-date than what's in the wiki, and should be considered authoritative
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• 2173[15:02:27] <SynrGy> yeah. that has been there since 2012 or earlier (click 'info' for the page and View on the latest 2012 revision)
• 2174[15:02:44] <exa_ways> file is called dconf in my debian
• 2175[15:02:49] <Sabotender> SynrGy: fine fine, no screen savers then. I mean I am perfectly happy with the version of cinnamon that I have installed, I think it is more that I have a good nvidia driver compatibility which makes it all worthwhile
• 2176[15:02:53] <SynrGy> it quite likely is only really applicable to wheezy, not jessie
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• 2178[15:03:07] <Sabotender> the animations and responsiveness is pretty buttery smooth
• 2179[15:03:15] <SynrGy> Sabotender: great.
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• 2197[15:13:33] <SynrGy> exa_ways: yes. gnome changed from gsettings to dconf since jessie, so that makes sense.
• 2198[15:13:52] <SynrGy> exa_ways: check the man pages for gdm for further help, rather than the outdated wiki pages.
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• 2350[16:35:19] <os_> hi
• 2351[16:35:31] <subpath> hi os_
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• 2355[16:36:08] <os_> it seems like locking screen doesn't work here in xfce4
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• 2361[16:38:44] <subpath> which programm do you use to lock your screen?
• 2362[16:39:16] <os_> subpath, that come with xfce
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• 2364[16:39:49] <os_> i mean, i have just clicked lock button in panel
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• 2367[16:41:54] <subpath> which version do you use of debian, which version of xfce?
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• 2370[16:42:31] <os_> debian jessie amd64, xfce 4.10
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• 2373[16:43:22] <c-c> subpath: $ xdg-screensaver lock
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• 2376[16:43:52] <subpath> thank you c-c
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• 2380[16:45:06] <os_> c-c, thanks i am using xtrlock for locking, but i just want to link it with a button
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• 2441[17:33:01] <aeular> Hello! In aptitude, I accidentally pressed 'm' while the cursor was on the "installed packages" item, clearing all the marks on whether a package was installed manually/automatically. Is there a way to restore this?
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• 2443[17:33:44] <aeular> I only found a way to restore it if I had backed it up before, but sadly I had not backed up this stuff.
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• 2446[17:34:20] <Akuli> did you apply your changes yet?
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• 2449[17:34:34] <aeular> I did not
• 2450[17:34:43] <transhuman> is there any cause that might be apparent to the debian folks why my debian guest desktop running under vmware embedded browser (chrome or firefox) has a mouse pointer alignment problem? Is there an xwindows fix?
• 2451[17:34:59] <john_rambo> I am trying to create a DIVX disk .... I am using DEVEDE ....After adding the files when I click forward nothing happens
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• 2453[17:35:13] <Akuli> aeular, then i guess you can just quit out of aptitude and everything should be fine
• 2454[17:35:14] <aeular> But it doesn't look like I need to apply changes to edit the marks
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• 2458[17:35:45] <Akuli> aptitude doesn't do much unless you tell it to apply things
• 2459[17:35:48] <Akuli> i think
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• 2463[17:36:04] <aeular> but `apt-mark showauto` shows nothing for me.
• 2464[17:36:26] <Akuli> hmm :( then we have a problem
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• 2466[17:36:34] <aeular> and "cancel pending actions" does not seem to restore it.
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• 2472[17:37:32] <aeular> In case I end up not being able to restore it(other than marking stuff manually... sigh), it would only affect me if I'm removing stuff, right?
• 2473[17:37:50] <Akuli> i think so
• 2474[17:37:53] <aeular> ie. unused dependencies not being removed
• 2475[17:37:57] <Akuli> rigth
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• 2477[17:38:18] <aeular> I may be able to parse the aptitude logs and try to mark it that way...
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• 2482[17:40:07] <Akuli> that's a good idea
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• 2485[17:40:36] <transhuman> think I should have doubled checked that vmware tools was installed before asking..thanks anyways
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• 2500[17:46:12] <aeular> I did it! yay!
• 2501[17:46:40] <Akuli> nice :)
• 2502[17:46:49] <aeular> now time to back this up 3 times
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• 2506[17:50:33] <os_> hi
• 2507[17:50:44] <os_> xflock4 doesn't work here
• 2508[17:50:58] <os_> so xfce4 doesn't lock
• 2509[17:51:08] <petn-randall> os_: On which releas_
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• 2512[17:51:12] <petn-randall> *release?
• 2513[17:51:19] <os_> jessie, xfce 4.10
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• 2515[17:51:39] <petn-randall> os_: What happens when you run it on the command line?
• 2516[17:52:06] <os_> nothing, and it return 0 status code
• 2517[17:52:23] <os_> by looking to $?, of course
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• 2535[18:02:02] <ksft> I'm having trouble pairing my bluetooth headset with my computer.
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• 2537[18:02:57] <ksft> when I try to use bluetoothctl to pair it, btmon says "Status: Page Timeout (0x04)"
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• 2539[18:03:40] <ksft> I can pair the headset with my computer when I'm using Windows.
• 2540[18:04:07] <ksft> I'm on Debian 8.6
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• 2624[18:52:00] <artisp> question: why is apt still using md5sum in 2017? (jaw-dropped)
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• 2627[18:52:25] <grawity> 1) it's not 2017 yet, 2) that's not the only hash algorithm it uses
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• 2631[18:54:22] <artisp> ok, found a good summary page, for anyone else interested: replaced-url
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• 2648[19:01:58] <ksft> I'm having trouble pairing bluetooth devices to my computer.
• 2649[19:02:04] <High> Hello
• 2650[19:02:35] <ksft> when I try to, btmon says "Status: Page Timeout (0x04)"
• 2651[19:02:39] <High> I am looking for a grammar check program for debian, prefrebly something for Jessie's KDE4 Kate editor maybe, or just cli utility I can run on my markdown files to check grammar and sentence structure
• 2652[19:02:42] <SynrGy> query judd
• 2653[19:02:49] <SynrGy> bah. give me a slash
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• 2656[19:03:43] <ksft> the device and my computer's bluetooth hardware definitely work
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• 2664[19:06:43] <benvei1> hey there. any way to connect a bluetooth *transmitter* to debian and use it as an input device with pulseaudio? using debian jessie
• 2665[19:07:05] <grawity> all bluetooth adapters are transmitters *and* receivers
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• 2667[19:07:38] <grawity> but as for making act like an input device... bluez could probably *technically* do that, but I don't think it's already implemented as an option
• 2668[19:08:45] <benvei1> grawity, well, there is an option in the gui (Advanced Audio receiver), but the problem is that I cant even get the audio transmitter paired. Cant find it when its in pair mode, so I'm guessing its trying to connect to devices itself and is not visable
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• 2682[19:15:22] <BCMM> how can i best install legacy nvidia drivers on stretch? the latest propriatary drivers don´t seem to support this card, and the legacy packages seem to be gone in stretch
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• 2686[19:16:14] <BCMM> alternatively, how can i get hdmi audio working with nouveau? pulse audio volume control says it´s unplugged. for some reason
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• 2688[19:16:25] <somiaj> BCMM: the legacy drivers don't support the newer xorg abi. Nvidia may or may not support the newer xorg abi with their legacy drivers, until they do your options are basically nouveau.
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• 2692[19:16:55] <BCMM> somiaj: ah, fair enough
• 2693[19:17:10] <BCMM> i mean, on debians part. obviously nv is being irritating as usual
• 2694[19:17:25] <towo`> nvidia has released legacy drivers, which support xserver 1.19
• 2695[19:17:26] <somiaj> nv is very old and not sure may support it
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• 2697[19:17:34] <towo`> they may not packaged yet
• 2698[19:17:46] <BCMM> i meant nvidia the company, i forgot all about the nv driver
• 2699[19:17:48] <somiaj> with older hardwaer it may be easier to just run jessie and not deal with these things.
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• 2701[19:18:06] <somiaj> and aparentally you may just have to wait for the newer legacy drivers to be packaged.
• 2702[19:18:13] <BCMM> any ideas about hdmi audio on noveau then? in theory its supposed to be supported on this card
• 2703[19:18:39] <BCMM> and teh device shows up, but is supposedly unplugged
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• 2708[19:19:22] <BCMM> somiaj: yeah, was thinking about just going back to jessie, but isnt stretch gonna be stable in a few weeks anyway?
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• 2712[19:20:09] <somiaj> BCMM: no. Stretch is sitll frezing, I think the final freeze date is feb 5th. AFter that date there is usually a months (I've seen it take up to a year, but lately it is probably 2-4 months) until the actual release.
• 2713[19:20:32] <somiaj> jessie will also be supported for a full year after the release of stretch, so you have plenty of time with jessie to see if stretch gets the newer legacy drivers or not.
• 2714[19:20:55] <BCMM> ok. ill try that if i cant sort out hdmi audio, thanks
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• 2782[19:58:01] <opsxcq> check your PHPMail installs, there is a vulnerability in PHPMail < 5.2.18 that may lead to remote code execution, replaced-url
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• 2796[20:06:50] <petn-randall> !tracker of doom
• 2797[20:06:50] <dpkg> The Tracker of Doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the Debian security team, viewable at replaced-url
• 2798[20:07:06] <petn-randall> cve lookup CVE-2016-10033
• 2799[20:07:16] <petn-randall> !cve lookup CVE-2016-10033
• 2800[20:07:16] <dpkg> Information about the security advisory CVE-2016-10033 may be found at replaced-url
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• 2813[20:18:13] <jhutchins_wk> It'd be a lot more useful if it pulled the subject/headline.
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• 2838[20:27:32] <orang> Is mate a bad DE?
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• 2840[20:27:47] <AlexLikeRock> noooo orang
• 2841[20:27:48] <l0llip0p> orang: nope, but I don't use it
• 2842[20:27:56] <AlexLikeRock> its sooo good
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• 2844[20:28:04] <AlexLikeRock> i used, now
• 2845[20:28:10] <AlexLikeRock> at 3 PCs
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• 2848[20:28:33] <AlexLikeRock> its full complete and ligthed
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• 2870[20:35:50] <ksft> I'm getting a page timeout when I try to pair a bluetooth device to my computer.
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• 2872[20:36:11] <ksft> The device definitely works and is on.
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• 2874[20:37:45] <l0llip0p> ksft: what program do you use to connect your device? (it may help to understand the problem)
• 2875[20:38:00] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1631
• 2876[20:38:36] <ksft> l0llip0p: I've tried bluetoothctl and blueman
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• 2878[20:39:09] <AlexLikeRock> blueman SUCKS!
• 2879[20:39:25] <ksft> what should I use?
• 2880[20:39:46] <AlexLikeRock> i hear , "by terminal work fine"
• 2881[20:40:02] <AlexLikeRock> i dont use other like "kde" :-/
• 2882[20:40:08] <AlexLikeRock> go try
• 2883[20:40:11] <ksft> what?
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• 2885[20:41:55] <l0llip0p> ksft: AlexLikeRock seems to be speaking spanish or portugese than English
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• 2888[20:42:31] <ksft> okay
• 2889[20:42:37] <ksft> l0llip0p: can you help me?
• 2890[20:42:40] <AlexLikeRock> lol, spanish
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• 2893[20:43:16] <l0llip0p> ksft: unfortunately not :( I don't know anything about bluethoot protocol. I'm sorry
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• 2897[20:43:54] <AlexLikeRock> With a Christmas hangover it's worse, my english
• 2898[20:43:59] <AlexLikeRock> RULF
• 2899[20:44:05] <AlexLikeRock> ROLF
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• 2911[20:47:25] <l0llip0p> ksft: you could try the debian forum or try to send email to package admin
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• 2929[20:54:29] <ksft> l0llip0p: what's 'package admin'?
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• 2933[20:56:32] <vkolchev> Hi, just a quick question, when you write to debian-user mailing list if you don't have answers should you receive own post as mail?
• 2934[20:56:39] <l0llip0p> ksft: the who is responsible from pakage when the pakage is provided to debian. You can see it when you 'apt-cache show pkg-name'. I'm looking bluemans github page and there seems to be bug with networkmanager.
• 2935[20:57:21] <l0llip0p> ksft: which seems to be fixed in newer version
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• 2938[20:58:47] <ksft> l0llip0p: Do you think that bug is relevant to my problem?
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• 2940[20:59:45] <l0llip0p> ksft: not sure :/ that's why I would contact to pkg-admin. He should know. Have you looked into manual pages?
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• 2944[21:00:22] <AlexLikeRock> what a stupid tink !!! , NO NVIDIA KERNEL AT TESTING !!!
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• 2947[21:00:52] <ksft> l0llip0p: I haven't looked carefully for things about this specific problem
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• 2951[21:01:30] <ksft> in #bluez-users, someone thought that meant that the device wasn't responding at all, but I know that isn't true
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• 2953[21:02:29] <l0llip0p> ksft: It could be another way around? Your computer doesn't have a powerfull bluethood device maybe?
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• 2961[21:03:48] <l0llip0p> AlexLikeRock: thats why its called testing
• 2962[21:04:31] <AlexLikeRock> yes , but must be have a BASIC programs, and DONT MAKE FULL DOWN-GRADE!!!
• 2963[21:04:51] <AlexLikeRock> to work simple XORG
• 2964[21:04:55] <AlexLikeRock> god!
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• 2966[21:05:52] <orang> when in doubt use goto
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• 3023[21:32:46] <exa_ways> I am using debian 3 days now and I thought I will figure it out. But I dont. What does this strange purple pinkish moving line on the right side indicate? =) Or is it just there to confuse people like me? Or is it supposed to be relaxing? My guess would be it is the snafu line. As long as it keeps moving from top to bottom everything is snafu or is not snafu depending on the point of view.
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• 3026[21:33:16] <redrabbit> who uses ufw ?
• 3027[21:33:44] <redrabbit> i want to add iptables rules to before / after but im not sure i got the right syntax
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• 3054[21:48:24] <CutMeOwnThroat> exa_ways, we have no idea what you're talking about
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• 3059[21:50:05] <CutMeOwnThroat> exa_ways, Debian is a collection of packages, packaged in a way that they can work together… program packages having the correct library versions, bugs in a specific version that is in the archives fixed… etc. etc. etc.
• 3060[21:50:10] <ksft> what's the package linux-image-extra?
• 3061[21:50:15] <ksft> is it only in Ubuntu?
• 3062[21:50:24] <ksft> is it called something else in Debian?
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• 3065[21:50:48] <dvs> ,v linux-image-extra
• 3066[21:50:49] <judd> No package named 'linux-image-extra' was found in amd64.
• 3067[21:50:49] <exa_ways> CutMeOwnThroat, this pink dotted line constantly moving from the top right to the lower right corner of the desktop in gnome
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• 3069[21:52:12] <awal1> exa_ways: any screenshot?
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• 3074[21:52:59] <awal1> ksft: aptitude search linux-image
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• 3078[21:54:45] <ksft> awal1: those are what Ubuntu calls "linux-image-extra"?
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• 3080[21:55:27] <awal1> ksft: I meant search for linux-image stuff like that
• 3081[21:55:47] <awal1> I dont see that pkg in debian
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• 3086[22:00:15] <exa_ways> awal1, nope it does not apear on the screenshot =)
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• 3088[22:02:01] <ksft> exa_ways: you're certain that it isn't a hardware problem with your monitor?
• 3089[22:03:36] <CutMeOwnThroat> exa_ways, when I used to use gnome-shell, I didnt see such a thing
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• 3091[22:03:54] <exa_ways> ksft, quite certain as it apears in other linux distros as well as long as I use gnome
• 3092[22:04:13] <CutMeOwnThroat> exa_ways, sounds like a problem the monitor has if screenshots don't show it
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• 3098[22:06:32] <exa_ways> CutMeOwnThroat, strange I never considered this to be a bug, more a fancy feature I do not understand
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• 3101[22:07:43] <freesandman> exa_ways is it a problem for you to make a photo?
• 3102[22:07:59] <ksft> exa_ways: how does it appearing in other distros show that it *isn't* a hardware problem?
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• 3104[22:10:07] <exa_ways> ksft, I am not saying it is not, only thought it is a feature that "ships" with gnome, a kind of "relax dude meditation line haha
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• 3119[22:20:42] <cobalt-blue> hello world?
• 3120[22:20:54] <exa_ways> ksft, it seems it is actually. If i rotate the entire display by 90° in settings it does not rotate with it
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• 3124[22:24:37] <CutMeOwnThroat> exa_ways, it's always a good idea to relax
• 3125[22:24:52] <CutMeOwnThroat> well, let's say "often"
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• 3127[22:25:44] <dvs> Relax? Dont do it! ;-)
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• 3134[22:29:39] <awal1> exa_ways: do you see that "thing" in console?
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• 3136[22:30:02] <awal1> tty 1, 2...
• 3137[22:30:05] <CutMeOwnThroat> "only in gnome" seems to not cover the console
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• 3142[22:31:23] <exa_ways> CutMeOwnThroat, The joke about this is, that this line was the first unique selling point somehow to get me curious about gnome and debian while i was testing several distros to decide with which to stick. I thought it is something very avantgardistic and I only have to dive into the the linux world to understand the deep meaning of it =)
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• 3144[22:32:05] <CutMeOwnThroat> exa_ways, oh yeah, now that you mention it, it's this exotic feature, but none of us understand it
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• 3147[22:33:53] <edi> he, anyone ever got Netflix to work on debian, just using firefox and without nasty silverlight emulating shit ?
• 3148[22:34:36] <exa_ways> awal1, now that you mention it I think it came up during boot process of kali live as well but in debian its only after login
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• 3160[22:41:59] <jhutchins_wk> exa_ways: That sounds like a hardward glitch.
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• 3163[22:42:56] <jhutchins_wk> exa_ways: Data leakage in the video RAM.
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• 3166[22:45:40] <exa_ways> jhutchins_wk, yes I am more and more convinced it is but the beautiful way it moves never made me suspect it prior asking here. I am already thinking about coding a dotted snafu line that indicates "situation normal" as long as it moves on and on. =)
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• 3169[22:47:42] <jhutchins_wk> PCs don't tend to freeze or lock up like Macs, but I guess it's a widget.
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• 3184[22:58:30] <somiaj> edi: google-chrome will play netflix via a widevine plugin. You need to get the package from google, debian's chromium does not have the required plugin.
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• 3186[22:58:56] <edi> i have widevine in firefox it says
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• 3188[22:59:17] <edi> just dl'd the latest from mozilla website
• 3189[22:59:20] <somiaj> ,v firefox-esr
• 3190[22:59:21] <judd> Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie: 45.3.0esr-1~deb8u1; wheezy-security: 45.6.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie-security: 45.6.0esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 45.6.0esr-1~deb8u1; sid: 45.6.0esr-1; stretch: 45.6.0esr-1
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• 3194[22:59:58] <edi> firefox 50.x , with widevine content decrytpion module provided by google
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• 3196[23:00:14] <somiaj> ahh seems you need the newest version. Debian's version won't support that. If the upstream binary isn't working, you may need to ask them.
• 3197[23:00:28] <edi> whenever I click a show, it redirects me to the install silverlight page
• 3198[23:00:30] <somiaj> yiou can also check mozilla.debian.net for newer versions. Unsure if they would have the plugin or not included.
• 3199[23:00:46] <somiaj> edi: about:plugins -- is the widevine plugin enabled?
• 3200[23:00:46] <edi> but I think I just quit my netflix subscription
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• 3202[23:00:54] <edi> somiaj: it is
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• 3204[23:01:30] <somiaj> edi: seems you may have to change the useragent as netflix requires chromium
• 3205[23:01:33] <somiaj> well chrome.
• 3206[23:01:36] <edi> i was quicker to find an stream outside of netflix with netflix content
• 3207[23:01:37] <somiaj> replaced-url
• 3208[23:01:53] <edi> yeah I've read that, it doesn't satisfy me
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• 3210[23:02:44] <edi> it think it's just a shame that playing HTML5 video is distro dependent, that the whole idea of html5 is going beyond OS's and Browsers
• 3211[23:02:50] <edi> i thought*
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• 3214[23:03:20] <edi> but hey no worries, thanks for the input anyway !! :)
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• 3217[23:04:52] <somiaj> this seems to be an issue with netflix, I've read in various places, It’s unlikely that Netflix and company will flip the switch for Linux Firefox users right away
• 3218[23:05:30] <edi> well that's what I was thinking, and that's why I rather quit the subscription and watch their content semi-legal
• 3219[23:05:54] <edi> if they don't want to tailor linux users they're just asking for piracy
• 3220[23:05:54] <somiaj> just use google-chrome for the time being if you don't want to change your useragent to say you are google-chrome
• 3221[23:06:22] <edi> i tried chromium which doesn't work
• 3222[23:06:27] <somiaj> I said google-chrome
• 3223[23:06:31] <edi> and chrome from the official source
• 3224[23:06:33] <edi> is 64 bit
• 3225[23:06:35] <edi> I have 32
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• 3227[23:06:49] <somiaj> does your hardware support 64bit?
• 3228[23:06:52] <edi> no
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• 3230[23:06:55] <edi> that's why
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• 3233[23:07:03] <edi> I could try it on my laptop
• 3234[23:07:08] <edi> which does support 64 bit
• 3235[23:07:11] <njames> does anyone know if virtualbox guest additions require any packages that are included with standard DEs that aren't explicitly stated anywhere? i've been trying to get them to work with a base install running i3, and i feel like i'm missing something. i've got the linux headers metapackage and build-essential installed, and i'm using m-a prepare before running the vbox install script. no error messages, just silently not working.
• 3236[23:07:12] <somiaj> chaging the user agent sounds like the best way to me. I saw a plugin which will allow you to only change it for netflix.
• 3237[23:07:27] <somiaj> it was in the comments on that linke I posetd.
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• 3239[23:07:53] <somiaj> njames: you need to install and load a module in the guest kernel
• 3240[23:08:51] <edi> thanks :)
• 3241[23:09:01] <njames> somiaj: which?
• 3242[23:09:04] <somiaj> ,v virtualbox-guest-dkms
• 3243[23:09:05] <judd> Package: virtualbox-guest-dkms on amd64 -- wheezy: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy-backports/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1; jessie-security/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports/contrib: 5.1.8-dfsg-6~bpo8+2; stretch/contrib: 5.1.8-dfsg-6; sid/contrib: 5.1.12-dfsg-2
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• 3245[23:11:12] <njames> okay great, i'll try it when i'm back on the machine in 5min
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• 3253[23:19:02] <exa_ways> If I remove gnome-control-center the snafu-line is gone. I purged this package by accident the other day and realized some while later the snafu-line was gone. Some more time later I realized the settings do not work and figured out why. So after reinstalling gnome-control-center the situation was normal again including snafu-line. =)
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• 3258[23:20:26] <exa_ways> You see it already is a feature for me even if it is a graphical glitch haha
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• 3271[23:27:16] <njames> somiaj: will apt-get configure it to load on boot or do i need to manually do that?
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• 3287[23:36:37] <somiaj> njames: provided you have linux-headers installed so it can compile the module it should load upon request.
• 3288[23:36:44] <somiaj> njames: but I have not used it, so unsure
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• 3292[23:37:44] <njames> somiaj: it works when i manually run the command VBoxClient-all, so I guess the functionality exists somehow. I'll dig into it more, thanks!
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• 3301[23:44:12] <trelos> This video woke me up: replaced-url
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• 3321[23:58:37] <fuddie> Hello. How can I find out if my computer's wifi-card will be compatable with debian gnu + linux?
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