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0[00:00:01] <fwuffykat> I used this installed image: debian-8.3.0-i386-netinst.iso
1[00:00:28] <jmcnaught> oh i see
2[00:00:36] <Walex> fwuffykat: do you have an internet connection on that system?
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5[00:01:05] <fwuffykat> it's definitely the netinstall image as I was downloading packages during earlier stages of the installation process
6[00:01:18] <fwuffykat> Walex: yes
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9[00:02:22] <fwuffykat> i tried running "mount -t iso9660 /dev/sr0 /media/cdrom" but get error that "no such file or directory"
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14[00:03:11] <fwuffykat> when i try "mount -t iso9660 /dev/sdc1 /cdrom" I get error "no such device"
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16[00:03:37] <fwuffykat> I meant "mount -t iso9660 /dev/sr0 /media/cdrom"*
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20[00:05:24] <fwuffykat> any ideas?
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24[00:06:25] <fanderal> fwuffykat: you said you checked the netinstall CD... if it was only to see if it booted, the CD may be corrupted in the install process.
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26[00:06:55] <jmcnaught> fwuffykat: which tasks did you select to install? if you can go back in the installer, just select the "standard utilities" task, finish the installation, and install stuff with tasksel/apt-get after the first boot
27[00:07:19] <fwuffykat> fanderal: I did burn the image twice. I could try another disc I suppose....
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29[00:07:28] <fanderal> ok
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31[00:07:54] <fwuffykat> jmcnaught: I can't recall all the options selcted, but I remember selcted xcfe
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33[00:08:10] <fwuffykat> I will try going back, where do you suggest I go back to?
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37[00:09:15] <fwuffykat> but before i do, do you know why i'm getting an error in tty2 when running the command "mount -t iso9660 /dev/sr0 /media/cdrom". I wonder if that has anything to do with it?
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42[00:11:26] <jmcnaught> fwuffykat: presumably it's already mounted. what does "mount" tell you?
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45[00:11:46] <fwuffykat> i tried installing "the GRUB boot loader" and I get the disk error again
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48[00:12:36] <jmcnaught> fwuffykat: i don't know. i would guess something wrong with the disk, unless you did something weird earlier during the install
49[00:12:40] <pencilandpaper> Why not use a Xfce iso fwuffykat ?
50[00:12:50] <fwuffykat> there is quite a lot of text output. What should i be specifically looking for?
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54[00:13:20] <fwuffykat> ah, it says /dev/sr0 on /cdrom type iso9600
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57[00:14:48] <fwuffykat> pencilandpaper: that is an idea. It does mean going through this whole process again, but so be it if there is no solution
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60[00:16:58] <fwuffykat> Oh, maybe this is the issue. The error message I get begins "/media/cdrom/:Please insert the disc labeled..." during the failed installation. BUT, if you look at the output from "mount" in tty2 it says /dev/sr0 is on /cdrom. It seems the install is expecting it on /media/cdrom when it's on /cdrom.
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63[00:17:47] <jmcnaught> fwuffykat: did you not configure network mirrors during the install?
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65[00:17:51] <fwuffykat> is there anyway I can fix this, because if this is the issue downloading and trying another iso will probably fail with the same issue
66[00:18:10] <fwuffykat> yes I did jmcnaught
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69[00:19:12] <fwuffykat> is there anyway I can get the installation to refer to /cdrom instead of /media/cdrom ?
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73[00:21:59] <fwuffykat> anyone?
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75[00:22:05] <somiaj> fwuffykat: what do you mean? During the install I'd let the installer put it wherever it wants, but afterwards you can change the /etc/fstab enteries
76[00:22:28] <somiaj> fwuffykat: as for automounters, I'm unsure what you need to change so it automounts in /cdrom instead of /media/cdrom
77[00:22:47] <somiaj> you can also just make /cdrom a link that points to /media/cdrom, then let automounters put it in /media/cdrom but you can still access it via /cdrom
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81[00:23:54] <fwuffykat> thanks somiaj - how do I make a /cdrom link that points to /media/cdrom?
82[00:24:23] <somiaj> fwuffykat: ln -fs /media/cdrom /cdrom
83[00:24:33] <fwuffykat> ok, i'll try that right now
84[00:25:36] <fwuffykat> hmm, it says "ln: /cdrom/cdrom: Read-only file system"
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87[00:27:03] <somiaj> fwuffykat: you might have to remove the cdrom dir before running that command
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89[00:27:15] <pencilandpaper> I hear you fwuffykat . I went ahead and installed it using the Xfce iso and it installed just fine.
90[00:27:18] <somiaj> fwuffykat: also is your root fs mounted read-only? You can't put links on readonly file systems.
91[00:27:49] <somiaj> fwuffykat: I missed your original issue, why do you want the /cdrom to be mounted in there and are you in the installer or on an installed system?
92[00:27:55] <pencilandpaper> I do it without a network setup, and then go ahead and manually install the drivers for wifi..since I already have them. You have a ethernet connection..you should have no problems.
93[00:28:19] <somiaj> or in the future use the firmware installer
94[00:28:32] <npo> ^
95[00:28:40] <pencilandpaper> Thats a good idea as well somiaj .
96[00:28:41] <npo> fw installer worked well for me
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98[00:28:50] <pencilandpaper> My firmware installer is Puppy Linux. :)
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100[00:29:12] <somiaj> I would use the one produced by debian
101[00:29:12] <jmcnaught> somiaj: fwuffykat says that they successfully selected a network mirror and were downloading packages earlier in the installer, so either they didn't understand what was on their screen, or they have some messed up installer
102[00:29:33] <pencilandpaper> Thats cool somiaj . We all do what we do.
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104[00:29:52] <somiaj> jmcnaught: ahh, so there are other problems. Should have realized this was an X-Y problem
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114[00:32:17] <fwuffykat2> hi - I got disconnected. I may have missed any messages directed to me in the last 2min
115[00:32:30] <pencilandpaper> Wb fwuffykat2 .
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118[00:34:14] <fwuffykat2> ..this installation is such a headache I think I might just try installing another image. Is there a specific iso you can suggest that minimises risks during installation process. Note that the comuter i wish to install on is connected to the internet
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120[00:34:40] <npo> fwuffykat2 which image are you currently using?
121[00:34:46] <fwuffykat2> I'll also try a fresh installation DVD
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123[00:35:15] <somiaj> !tell fwuffykat2 about firmware installer
124[00:35:21] <fwuffykat2> I was using : debian-8.3.0-i386-netinst.iso
125[00:35:36] <npo> fwuffykat2: ok, use either the firmware installer or the DVD installer
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127[00:35:42] <somiaj> fwuffykat2: the bot should have sent you a link to a firmware installer that is just like that installer but includes the non-free firmware required for many wifi cards
128[00:36:09] <somiaj> fwuffykat2: also any reason you are using 32bit and not 64bit (most modern hardware 64 bit + multiarch is more common -- not required just more common)
129[00:36:35] <fwuffykat2> my laptop is quite old....doesn't have wifi. I'm using lan. Is the non-free version still preferred?
130[00:36:42] <pencilandpaper> fwuffykat2, I can toss you a download link to the iso that I used to install debian.
131[00:37:01] <jmcnaught> fwuffykat2: did the installer tell you that network configuration succeeded?
132[00:37:02] <npo> fwuffykat2: it depends on what problems youre having with the install
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134[00:37:09] <fwuffykat2> somiaj: this is an old laptop I'm using. Pentium 4 with about 1.25gb of ram.
135[00:37:18] <fwuffykat2> from 2002/2003
136[00:37:25] <pencilandpaper> It depends on what you want to do with your laptop fwuffykat2 . If you want multimedia capabilities you are going to want to add the non-free repo's.
137[00:37:32] <npo> fwuffykat2: i have something similar, and the firmware installer worked for me
138[00:38:06] <jmcnaught> fwuffykat2: also after the "Installing base packages" part finished, there's a "Configure the package manager" section. What did you configure there?
139[00:38:25] <somiaj> fwuffykat2: that's fine, if you have a specific reason for 32bit, and that sounds reasonable. My comment was more in general for most situations I see these days.
140[00:38:36] <fwuffykat2> pencilandpaper: I'm primarily setting it up for someone who will probably use it for just surfing the web and office
141[00:38:58] <jmcnaught> fwuffykat2: if the network configuration fails, or if you do not configure a mirror, then it makes sense that the installer won't be able to find packages and asks for a disc to be inserted
142[00:39:09] <pencilandpaper> Ok fwuffykat2 ..I would add them regardless just in case they want to do something else while working. Its up to you though.
143[00:39:35] <fwuffykat2> jmcnaught: I can't recall what was said during the installation process....so many steps. I think it must have given that applications were downloading.
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146[00:41:05] <fwuffykat2> jmcnaught: that's a very good point and that was what I assumed. I was surprised why it asked for the dvd.
147[00:41:48] <fwuffykat2> it's especially odd given that files were definitely being downloading during the application process
148[00:42:00] <fwuffykat2> application/installation*
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150[00:42:06] <jmcnaught> fwuffykat2: take notes if you can't remember. pay attention to messages on the screen. the netinst image has some base packages on the image, those are installed in the "Installing base packages" part. Then it asks you to configure a network mirror to download the rest.
151[00:42:19] <disconnected> hello, I had got debian wheezy with kernel 3.2 - and want to install docker on it
152[00:42:29] <disconnected> I've updated kernel to 3.16, made all steps from docker install site
153[00:42:43] <disconnected> but I stillc an't find docker-engine in apt-cache policy, anyone had similar problem? :(
154[00:43:03] <jmcnaught> disconnected: don't you think starting with Jessie for a new server would be a better choice than starting with oldstable?
155[00:43:12] <disconnected> jmcnaught: that's not a new server.
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157[00:43:42] <disconnected> jmcnaught: that's the point :p
158[00:43:43] <jmcnaught> disconnected: docker is packaged for jessie in jessie-backports with the name docker.io
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160[00:44:21] <jmcnaught> disconnected: if you're having problems with the packages in docker's third party repo it's probably better to ask them :)
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162[00:45:54] <disconnected> jmcnaught: I've asked on their channel as well :).
163[00:46:37] <jmcnaught> disconnected: my advice is deploying new services to a wheezy server just means more work and potential complications for the jessie upgrade you'll inevitably need to do
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165[00:48:53] <fwuffykat2> jmcnaught: that's a fair point. I have downloaded this iso "debian-live-8.3.0-i386-xfce-desktop.iso". I'll attempt installation with it.
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170[00:49:50] <jmcnaught> fwuffykat2: didn't we tell you yesterday that live images aren't very good for installing? use an installer image to install, not a live image
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173[00:50:24] <pencilandpaper> disconnected, the name of the package is docker, not docker-engine.
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176[00:50:49] <pencilandpaper> replaced-url
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178[00:51:29] <disconnected> pencilandpaper: I meant Docker, the container management software, not a system tray for kde3/gnome2
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180[00:52:52] <pencilandpaper> O ok, my fault disconnected . I didn't see that even show up anywhere.
181[00:53:00] <disconnected> Btw why are there dist upgrades? I mean, why can't upgrades be ... handled just by upgrade?
182[00:53:35] <jmcnaught> disconnected: with Debian, the point of upgrading to the next major release is to get new versions of all the software included. Debian Stable releases stick to the same versions for everything, and every two years there's a new major release that upgrades everything all at once
183[00:53:53] <markybob> disconnected: you can man apt-get to see the difference. one just upgrade. one removes/adds packages to jump to a different release
184[00:54:14] <pencilandpaper> Each command serves a different purpose. One deals with software upgrades and the other with system wide upgrades.
185[00:54:21] <jmcnaught> disconnected: the upgrades that happen for a stable release are security and bug fixes, the versions stay the same (with some exceptions)
186[00:55:13] <disconnected> wouldn't it be better if repositories serve all versions of particular software?
187[00:55:29] <markybob> disconnected: no
188[00:56:49] <jmcnaught> disconnected: things would become unpredictable and difficult to manage that way. The packages in a Debian Stable release have been extensively tested and bug fixed, and are known to work well. This way you get a reliable system with no surprises when applying security updates
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195[01:00:00] <pencilandpaper> Package docker.io isn't in wheezy repo's or in wheezy-backports disconnected .
196[01:00:11] <jelly> ,v docker.io
197[01:00:13] <judd> Package: docker.io on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 1.6.2~dfsg1-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.8.3~ds1-2; sid: 1.8.3~ds1-2
198[01:01:00] <disconnected> jmcnaught: you could still have labels assigned to proper versions of particular softwares
199[01:01:03] <disconnected> (so like dist names)
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201[01:01:18] <disconnected> and call it "stable versions"
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203[01:01:25] <pencilandpaper> I do see python-docker though disconnected .
204[01:01:27] <jmcnaught> disconnected: i suppose, but that doesn't change the fact that this is not how Debian works
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206[01:01:39] <pencilandpaper> There it is..nice.
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208[01:02:01] <markybob> disconnected: no. then if you have stable and stretch becomes stable it'll break everything
209[01:02:22] <disconnected> markybob: stretch?
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211[01:02:31] <markybob> disconnected: current testing
212[01:02:40] <disconnected> pencilandpaper: afair python-docker is a lib in python to talk with docker api
213[01:02:47] <disconnected> pencilandpaper: anyway, thanks for searching :)
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217[01:03:24] <pencilandpaper> Yeah, I saw that..I thought that maybe it would pull in your package though, but if its in the jessie-backports bro..you are going to have to figure it all out.
218[01:03:35] <pencilandpaper> I don't know if you can compile it for wheezy or not.
219[01:03:39] <pencilandpaper> Its a thought.
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221[01:03:57] <disconnected> I'll just set up another vps I guess
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227[01:05:58] <jmcnaught> disconnected: upgrading from wheezy to jessie is not very difficult, it's really well documented in the release notes
228[01:06:14] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell disconnected -about wheezy->jessie
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235[01:09:11] <disconnected> jmcnaught: but that might break something that is already working, right?:p
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240[01:10:54] <jmcnaught> disconnected: reading the release notes and following the instructions there are your best bet for not breaking anything. if you have installed a bunch of third-party software, there could be complications
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285[01:27:36] <awal1> I have several stuff connected via usb ports. Looking what I can do for be able to create a command/keyboard shortcut/menu entry for disable/enable usb ports when convenient (battery saving related). Any clue?
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325[01:53:30] <esotericnonsense> are general linux-related sysadmin questions permitted here? i'm looking for a secure way to share files across linux based systems and coming up short
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327[01:54:19] <esotericnonsense> nfs looks like it's either insecure or hellish to set up, samba seems like a compromise to allow windows clients, sshfs feels like something i'd have to write a ton of helper scripts around
328[01:54:35] <ryouma> scripts?
329[01:55:14] <esotericnonsense> ryouma: i don't know how sshfs works under the hood and whether it would deal with timeouts well
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331[01:55:36] <esotericnonsense> will it reconnect if a router went down for a decent period of time, etc
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335[01:56:19] <esotericnonsense> if i can solve that issue I think sshfs is ideal (the ssh protocol seems like the most secure and simple of the options available for transferring encrypted data from X to Y)
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337[01:56:35] <karlpinc> esotericnonsense: Setup a vpn (openvpn?) and run whatever you want inside it.
338[01:57:03] <esotericnonsense> karlpinc: that's vaguely been my thought :)
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340[01:58:31] <esotericnonsense> something like setting up a VPN with all the machines that are allowed to access the files, and then just use unauthenticated nfs
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349[02:00:51] <esotericnonsense> another option is for me to just buy a decent router thus reducing how much I care about local network traffic being cleartext (i don't like my ISP provided router, it misbehaves)
350[02:01:03] <esotericnonsense> think it might be time to bite the bullet and do that tbh :)
351[02:01:18] <abrotman> esotericnonsense: This channel is for Debian support
352[02:01:26] <esotericnonsense> abrotman: yes, sorry
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361[02:04:34] <transhuman_> found bug in debian live (latest) fails to set the boot flag in graphical install mode and in manual mode have to manually change the boot flag
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363[02:05:35] <bezaban> esotericnonsense: what?
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365[02:06:01] <esotericnonsense> bezaban: ? #debian-offtopic
366[02:06:08] <bezaban> esotericnonsense: yes please
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368[02:06:45] <Aussie_matt> hi all: I'm trying to backup the original partitions on my laptop before I attempt install: So I've booted the dvd image from usb, then used ctrl-alt-f2, to get to the terminal. I have an external usb hdd connected, but I'm having trouble mounting it, can someone please help? TIA
369[02:07:08] <esotericnonsense> Aussie_matt: can you see it in blkid or lsblk
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371[02:07:41] <Aussie_matt> esotericnonsense: yes, so it's /dev/sda1, ntfs I wonder if the fs is the issue?
372[02:07:55] <Aussie_matt> I then made /tmp/temphdd
373[02:08:22] <Aussie_matt> and tried 'mount /dev/sda1 /tmp/temphdd' but it says no such file or directory
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410[02:29:10] <Aussie_matt> if i try 'mount -t ntfs /dev/sda1 /media/tmphdd ' I get no such device, yet /dev/sda1 is definately there. whats next?
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423[02:37:31] <stratum> networkmanager.conf, wifi.mac-address-randomization <--- is the line alone enough or should I specify =true, =enabled or what?
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450[02:50:43] <wpgriggs> hey guys, I followed the wiki for nvidia installs, and the nvidia conf files show up under /etc, but I believe its still running nouveau
451[02:50:51] <wpgriggs> any idea what could cause this?
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466[02:59:25] <okee> Is there a cleaner way to fix unmet dependencies, as opposed to just deleting newer files? replaced-url
467[03:00:31] <okee> The dependency problem appears to be interfering with my ability to upgrade Keepass2.
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470[03:02:40] <jmcnaught> okee: did you add a new repo for keepass2? please "/msg dpkg bat" and provide that info
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472[03:03:32] <okee> jmcnaught> No, I did not add a new repo for keepass2, and I am running exact same version of keepass2 that was used in Wheezy.
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476[03:04:49] <okee> jmcnaught> The message from dpkg is "not sure, is it larger than a bread box?"
477[03:05:29] <jmcnaught> okee: "/msg dpkg bat" as in flying rat, short for basic apt troubleshooting
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479[03:06:41] <okee> jmcnaught> dpkg says "i haven't a clue, okee"
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481[03:06:55] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell okee about bat
482[03:07:13] <npo> dpkg: tell npo about bat
483[03:07:27] <npo> nvm
484[03:07:29] <jmcnaught> npo: the topic has examples of how to message the bot
485[03:07:38] <npo> i know i was just goofing
486[03:07:45] <npo> i thought it would give me different info anyways
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496[03:11:03] <okee> This is the results of apt-cache policy replaced-url
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508[03:14:26] <jmcnaught> okee: that's a lot of third party repositories. are you still working on the output of "apt-cache policy keepass2" ?
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511[03:15:46] <zaileion> I am trying to install the AMD drivers from the website by using the --buildpkg switch. I keep getting an error stating something like /home/user/... not found. I cannot get it to work no matter what i do. does anyone here have any knowledge in the area?
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513[03:16:38] <npo> zaileion: im sure a few people could help you out, but we would need a little more information than that... maybe some outputs, and the exact error message
514[03:16:40] <okee> jmcnaught> Here it is the apt-cache policy for Keepass2 replaced-url
515[03:16:51] <npo> zaileion: but use a paste website to paste the information; dont post directly to the channel
516[03:16:56] <jmcnaught> okee: my advice, and this is what i do on my computer, is to only use Debian repos. There are more than 40,000 packages in Debian, plenty of tools that do all sorts of computing tasks. Adding third-party repos like have done can easily break your system, often for no good reason
517[03:17:08] <zaileion> ok. let me run the script and ill get right back.
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519[03:17:23] <okee> jmcnaught> Keepass2 is in the Debian repos.
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521[03:18:09] <jmcnaught> okee: then it's probably a conflict with one of the dependencies listed in your first two pastes, check the policy on those too. anyways, good luck.
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524[03:18:28] <TomTomTosch> okee, as a side note, do you get errors while updating? you might want to pin your chrome repo to amd64, as support for i386 has been discontinued by google. you would have to add [arch=amd64] after the 'deb' in the chrome line. also, what jmcnaught said. maybe you should consider using chromium from the debian repo.
525[03:18:32] <okee> jmcnaught> At this point downgrading one package seems like a reasonable option, since several other packages require a downgrade.
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527[03:19:19] <okee> TomTomTosch> I have Chromium installed from the repos.
528[03:20:11] <jmcnaught> okee: the reasonable thing to do is to remove your third party repos, and clean up your system. add them back one at a time maybe, to try and narrow down which one is causing your problems. my guess is dotdebs
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532[03:21:35] <TomTomTosch> okee, the chrome source is still active though. maybe not in your sources.list but in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
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534[03:22:06] <jmcnaught> okee: you may not realize, but an awful lot of works goes into making sure all the packages in the debian repos get along and don't have problems like the one you're experiencing. any one of the third party repos you have added could be causing the problems.
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537[03:23:11] <zaileion> here is a pastbin of the output
538[03:23:14] <zaileion> replaced-url
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541[03:24:58] <jmcnaught> zaileion: why not use the Debian packages? There are instructions here: replaced-url
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543[03:26:01] <okee> TomTomTosch> So you recommend removing everything from /etc/apt/sources.list.d/? Currently there is google-chrome.list, google-chrome.list.save, google-talkplugin.list, google-talkpluin.list.save, wuala.list, wuala.list.save
544[03:26:28] <zaileion> yep. i know all that. i know how to remove them when i update the kernel and such. There has to be a way to make this happen. the fglrx drivers dont work very well and its a dual GPU and crossfire doesnt work with fglrx drivers.
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547[03:27:34] <zaileion> ive read replaced-url
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550[03:27:47] <TomTomTosch> okee, i recommend removing whatever you don't need. afterwards you can find the offending packages using aptitude search '~o'
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554[03:28:40] <zaileion> i wouldnt be here bothering actual people if i have not exhausted every other resource i could possibly find.
555[03:28:46] <okee> TomTomTosch> I already found the one offending package, which was referenced during an attempted upgrade of Keepass2 replaced-url
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559[03:29:52] <zaileion> okee: did you try the fix broken packages option in synaptic?
560[03:30:03] <okee> TomTomTosch> Although a separate issue, does Google Chrome and Google Talk Plugin require anything in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ ??
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562[03:31:30] <TomTomTosch> okee, if you want them updated, yes. but removing all third party software is a good idea.
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568[03:33:27] <zaileion> i just cannot believe that amd and Debian have not fixed this yet. or whoever... ive been trying for months now. the --listpkg says all Debian releases are compatible but none of them work...
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570[03:34:34] <TomTomTosch> okee, just an example, "libmono-system-web2.0-cil : Depends: mono-runtime (< 2.10.8.2)" means this package is not from jessie. so maybe from one of the third-party packages you have installed.
571[03:34:45] <zaileion> replaced-url
572[03:34:47] <okee> zaileion> How would I fix this with apt-get, if I wasn't using synaptic?
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575[03:35:16] <jmcnaught> zaileion: i don't think proprietary drivers are Debian's priority. the fglrx drivers are provided for people who need them so they don't mess up their systems with the AMD installer
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577[03:36:10] <TomTomTosch> okee, apt-get -f install. but that might not bring you very far.
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579[03:36:56] <zaileion> you can try sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
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581[03:37:19] <TomTomTosch> okee, looks like you have packages from wheezy installed at some point?
582[03:37:35] <zaileion> jmcnaught: yeah. but the fglrx drivers are inferior.
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584[03:38:29] <jmcnaught> zaileion: inferior to what, aren't they just Debian packaged versions of the drivers from the AMD website?
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586[03:38:39] <okee> TomTomTosch> Should I remove everything from /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ I thought Google Talk Plugin was supposed to be in there by default?
587[03:38:48] <jmcnaught> zaileion: do you have them confused with the radeon drivers?
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589[03:39:31] <TomTomTosch> okee, the directory is empty by default. you would also have to remove the packages installed from there.
590[03:40:02] <okee> TomtomTosch> Comments in the file indicate Google-Talk-Plugin is in there by default.
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592[03:40:31] <zaileion> im trying to install the latest amd crimson drivers in Debain. i can use the regualr installer but the frame rates are much lower. the flgrx drivers from the debain repo are even less. if i install Ubuntu and use the --buildpkg switch with the crimson drivers the frame rates are about 30% higher.
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595[03:42:15] <zaileion> so if i do a sudo sh amd-driver-installer-15.302-x86.x86_64.run it works but i have lower frame rates. if i install fglrx from the debian repo the frame rates are even lower. if i install ubuntu and do a sudo sh amd-driver-installer-15.302-x86.x86_64.run --buildpkg Ubuntu/trusty the frame rates are way higher.
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597[03:42:58] <okee> ok, I got it fixed. This problem has been resolved.
598[03:43:11] <zaileion> plus if i do a sudo sh amd-driver-installer-15.302-x86.x86_64.run --listpkg it says debian is compatible as shown ehre replaced-url
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601[03:43:49] <zaileion> okee: well done!
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604[03:45:35] <TomTomTosch> okee, great. what did you do? ;D
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609[03:46:59] <r6ku> zaileion: replaced-url
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612[03:48:09] <jmcnaught> not to mention jessie-backports seems to have the same version of the AMD drivers as on the AMD website
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614[03:48:14] <TomTomTosch> heh, that sounds so harsh x)
615[03:48:29] <zaileion> im ok with linux but arch is still a bit over my head. its like slackware.
616[03:48:40] <zaileion> thanks for the pointer tho. and all the help...
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618[03:49:11] <okee> TomTomTosch> I ran synaptic, then autoremove, apt-get upgrade, and apt-get update. The following errors were displayed after updating replaced-url
619[03:49:20] <zaileion> how do i get the jessie-backport version?
620[03:49:58] <r6ku> zaileion: replaced-url
621[03:50:05] <jmcnaught> zaileion: the debian packages are what's supported here. i seriously doubt there's any difference between them and what's on the website (besides the install method) considering it's closed source binary code.
622[03:51:06] <TomTomTosch> okee, there is a bit you would have to do. iceweasel has been removed from mozilla.debian.net. you should probably remove that.
623[03:51:10] <zaileion> so how do i download them from the link you provided?
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625[03:51:25] <r6ku> zaileion: read the instructions
626[03:51:37] <zaileion> lol
627[03:51:48] <TomTomTosch> okee, if you want to remove chrome from your sources i would advice to remove the chrome package too.
628[03:52:43] <okee> TomTomTosch> What version of Iceweasel is in the repos? i am running version 44.02, which is very recent.
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631[03:52:57] <TomTomTosch> okee, your dotdeb.org repo seems to be broken too.
632[03:53:06] <zaileion> so i add deb replaced-url
633[03:53:25] <TomTomTosch> okee, the most recent one is firefox 45 in jessie-backports from moxilla.debian.net
634[03:53:39] <jmcnaught> zaileion: you'll need contrib and non-free too
635[03:54:41] <zaileion> so now how do i install the fglrs drivers from the jessie-backport and not the other repos my system has?\
636[03:55:24] <TomTomTosch> okee, mozilla.debian.net that is.
637[03:56:07] <jmcnaught> zaileion: replaced-url
638[03:56:14] <zaileion> so i select origin from within synaptic and install the flgrx drivers
639[03:56:26] <zaileion> nice. thx!
640[03:57:40] <okee> TomTomTosch> So we are now once again calling Iceweasel Firefox?
641[03:57:45] <npo> have any of you guys had any experience with ipv6/freenet6 under debian?
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643[03:58:35] <TomTomTosch> okee, we are. :)
644[03:58:47] <dvs> TomTomTosch, make up your mind!
645[03:59:05] <okee> Firefox is suffering from an identity crisis :0(
646[03:59:10] * TomTomTosch makes up his mind and goes back to iceweasel
647[03:59:19] <TomTomTosch> or maybe firefox. hmm...
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651[04:00:09] <dvs> grrrr
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653[04:00:39] <naptastic> I did `apt-get install nvidia-driver`, rebooted, and now I only get the console, no graphics...
654[04:00:43] <naptastic> Where do I start looking?
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658[04:01:25] <jmcnaught> naptastic: maybe you forgot the configuration part of the instructions? replaced-url
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664[04:02:44] <naptastic> jmcnaught, Thanks, attempting now.
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676[04:08:20] <okee> TomTomTosch> Is this Google Error the result of something in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ ?? I don't see anything in sources.list that would cause this problem. This error showed up after updating.
677[04:10:11] <NotJimCarrey> anyone have experience with dgamelaunch? trying to get it to work with unnethack
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682[04:11:16] <TomTomTosch> okee, it's the google chrome source in sources.list.d/. google does not support the i386 chrome anymore. you can fix this by removing chrome and the source or appending [arch=amd64] to "dep"
683[04:11:33] <dvs> okee, you have both ftp.de.debian.org and http.debian.net getting things for backports?
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685[04:12:15] <okee> dvs> But isn't this because Google doesn't pull it from sources.list?
686[04:12:40] <okee> Google-talk-plugin by default is usually in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
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689[04:13:31] <TomTomTosch> that's where google puts it for you.
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692[04:14:30] <dvs> okee, if Google put one source there and you have another source in your sources.list, it's still redundant.
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695[04:15:08] <okee> dvs> I don't recall having another source in sources.list designate for Google, so I am not following you.
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699[04:17:08] <okee> TomTomTosch> I don't see anything wrong with /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ for Google replaced-url
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701[04:17:35] <dvs> okee: W: Failed to fetch replaced-url
702[04:17:35] <dvs> W: Failed to fetch replaced-url
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704[04:17:57] <TomTomTosch> okee, now it's fine.
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714[04:24:08] <okee> Is replaced-url
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717[04:25:41] <dvs> !http.debian.net
718[04:25:41] <dpkg> To have <APT> automatically select a mirror close to you, use the Geo-IP redirector in your sources.list "deb replaced-url
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725[04:30:01] <okee> dvs> I think the non-free requires the replaced-url
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727[04:30:23] <dvs> okee, you're wrong. They both have main and non-fre
728[04:30:24] <dvs> e
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734[04:32:07] <okee> dvs> I only have one of each, so do you see something wrong with thie config file? replaced-url
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739[04:32:50] <TomTomTosch> okee, is that your whole sources.list?
740[04:33:02] <dvs> okee, You only need one of them with "main contrib non-free"
741[04:33:36] <markybob> okee that's awful
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743[04:34:13] <okee> TomTomTosch> This is my whole sources.list replaced-url
744[04:34:19] <okee> markybob> What is awful?
745[04:34:46] <markybob> okee: you didn't have any main, just backports
746[04:35:12] <dvs> markybob, that wasn't the whole list
747[04:35:14] <markybob> but if you're just gonna keep giving half info i'm out
748[04:35:26] <okee> markybob> The first first line is main deb replaced-url
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750[04:35:41] <TomTomTosch> okee, you have a lot of stuff multiple times.
751[04:35:52] <dvs> TomTomTosch, that's what I'm saying
752[04:35:58] <okee> TomTomTosch> Which lines are multiple?
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754[04:37:00] <TomTomTosch> okee, you use multiple mirror for the same thing, like dvs pointed out.
755[04:37:22] <TomTomTosch> s/mirror/mirrors/
756[04:37:58] <TomTomTosch> okee, like deb replaced-url
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761[04:38:51] <TomTomTosch> and all that third party stuff makes me itchy D:
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763[04:39:23] <jmcnaught> !dotdeb alternatives
764[04:39:23] <dpkg> Software from <dotdeb> historically had a number of packaging or functional issues. If you require newer versions than what <stable> offers, a lot of the packages now have updates in backports.debian.org, ask me about <bdo>. To remove Dotdeb packages: "aptitude purge '~Vdotdeb'".
765[04:39:25] <dvs> okee, lines 26 and 27 is redundant for line 2 if you put "main contrib non-free" at the end of line 2.
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768[04:40:05] <tacomaster> I am trying to install debian 8.3.0 from a cd because I only have a cd drive. I am looking for the package I need to install nonfree-firmware. I dont mind using dpkg I just need to find the right file and make sure its the only one i need because I will not have internet with out it. I only have wifi
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771[04:40:50] <dvs> !tell tacomaster about firmware iso
772[04:41:02] <markybob> tacomaster: easiest method replaced-url
773[04:41:44] <awal1> many new debian users have a headache with the sources file ;) I had same problem when I started using debian; Something may be done for reverse this situation and make it easier for new comers...
774[04:42:00] <tacomaster> dvs: ty ty ty :D
775[04:42:05] <awal1> dont know what...
776[04:42:12] <dvs> pas de probleme
777[04:42:34] <okee> dvs> Ok, I see it. How is this? replaced-url
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782[04:43:42] <markybob> okee: still no. 12 and 13.
783[04:44:02] <dvs> okee, add "contrib non-free" to the end of line 4 and remove line 28
784[04:44:06] <tacomaster> dvs: with this iso do i still need to activate the non-free repo in apt-get to get updates to the firmware?
785[04:44:33] <dvs> tacomaster, This includes the firmware you need to do that install.
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787[04:45:51] <dvs> okee, oh yes, markybob is right. lines 12 and 13 retrieve almost the same thing.
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791[04:46:47] <okee> dvs> Maybe I am a bit slow, but contrib already seems to be in line 4, and I don't have a line 28 replaced-url
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793[04:47:35] <okee> markybob> Are you referring to the lines for Mozilla?
794[04:48:12] <TomTomTosch> okee, why do you think you need line 9 and 10?
795[04:48:49] <TomTomTosch> okee, both have deb debian-mirror main
796[04:48:49] <dvs> okee, in the previous paste, the lines where at lines 4 and 28. In this paste, lines 9 and 10 do almost the same thing. and lines 1 and 25 are getting the same repo on different servers
797[04:48:50] <markybob> okee: add "contrib non-free" to lines 1 and 2 now. remove line 9.
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799[04:50:07] <dvs> and delete line25
800[04:50:12] <markybob> right
801[04:50:38] <awal1> okee, okay, made it easy for you ; check replaced-url
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806[04:52:44] <awal1> okee, line 1 to 8 are are official debian repositories. other ones are at your own "risk" :)
807[04:53:42] <okee> markybob> How is this replaced-url
808[04:53:54] <okee> awal1> I will take a look at your paste. Thanks for your help.
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810[04:54:14] <markybob> okee: yeah, what awal1 pasted as pretty perfect. copy that
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812[04:54:47] <markybob> "pretty perfect" because the third party stuff is icky. but whatever.
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814[04:55:05] * dvs wonders why awal1 removed the deb-src lines
815[04:55:24] <markybob> dvs: i'm sure he'll not use it if he can't figure out how to set his sources.list
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817[04:55:35] <awal1> ^
818[04:55:57] <jmcnaught> awal1's example still has a line 19 which adds jessie non-free a second time (it's in line 1 too)
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820[04:56:27] <markybob> ah, didn't notice that
821[04:56:32] <markybob> good to have to many eyes :)
822[04:56:43] <markybob> so*
823[04:56:45] <dvs> !pal markybob
824[04:56:45] * dpkg points at markybob and laughs hysterically
825[04:56:46] <awal1> thats his own repos
826[04:57:04] <awal1> oh, hhehehe right
827[04:57:14] <awal1> okee, remove line 19 :D
828[04:57:17] <locrian9> jmcnaught: Can I test a personal message to you using irssi?
829[04:57:25] <TomTomTosch> such a spoilsport x)
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831[04:58:14] <jmcnaught> locrian9: i guess so. you can also msg the dpkg bot (see the topic for examples)
832[04:58:43] <okee> awal1> What is wrong with eb replaced-url
833[04:58:43] <okee> ??
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836[04:59:55] <locrian9> jmcnaught: Thanks, that worked.
837[05:00:02] <jmcnaught> locrian9: cheers
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842[05:03:21] <awal1> okee, I have nothing to do so I made a last/good one for you . check and copy it; sounds perfect replaced-url
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844[05:03:59] <markybob> +1
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846[05:04:21] <okee> awal1> Thanks. Much appreciated.
847[05:04:22] <dvs> awal1, you have too many spaces. ;-)
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849[05:04:34] <markybob> heh
850[05:04:34] <awal1> dvs, :)
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852[05:05:03] <awal1> dvs, me I prefer have spaces ; most clean/clear
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860[05:07:28] <awal1> okee, if you prefer, remove empty lines/spaces...
861[05:07:29] <botnut> hi all - can anyone provide guideance on setting up linpack HPL.dat for cluster benchmarking under linux? or if there is another tool that i should use to test the clusters GFLOPS that would be great... thoughts?
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874[05:13:50] <mrpelican> So I've installed debian with an encrypted partition. I went to reboot, and now it's taking forever to boot with "(1 of 2) A start job is running for dev*-stuff"
875[05:14:12] <mrpelican> Then it gets by that, scrolls some crap quickly
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878[05:14:26] <mrpelican> and then gives a message about logging in as root for maintenance
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880[05:16:41] <mrpelican> I took a video of the bootup
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882[05:16:53] <mrpelican> "Dependency failed for Cryptography Setup for storage."
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886[05:19:14] <okee> awal1> I didn't find an entry for jessie main replaced-url
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889[05:19:41] <dvs> okee, line 3
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891[05:20:27] <okee> dvs> That says contrib and non-free Are they one and the same?
892[05:20:39] <dvs> okee, and main
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894[05:20:43] <markybob> okee: it says "main contrib non-free"
895[05:20:57] <okee> markybob> ok. Thanks for the clarification.
896[05:22:37] <mrpelican> Hello
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898[05:23:45] <jmcnaught> mrpelican: are you able to provide more info, like errors you get? how did you install debian with encryption, did you use the guided partitioning method?
899[05:23:58] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, Yes. (by the way, it's Cluelessperson )
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901[05:24:53] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, "Dependency failed for Cryptography Setup for storage"
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903[05:25:12] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, I have an encrypted internal drive named "storage"
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906[05:26:01] <jmcnaught> mrpelican: is your rootfs on the encrypted volume? do you have a separate /boot partition?
907[05:26:57] <mrpelican> There are two SSDs. A primary system SSD of 256GB, and a storage SSD of 960GB, both encrypted with LUKS
908[05:27:11] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, yes, rootfs is on the encrypted volume, along with swap
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910[05:28:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1646
911[05:28:25] <okee> Isn't firefox still required in the sources.list? Or is the latest automatically in the repos?
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913[05:28:59] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, replaced-url
914[05:29:08] <jmcnaught> okee: the latest ESR is in jessie, but it's still called iceweasel. the change will probably happen relatively soon
915[05:29:37] <okee> jmcnaught> So I no longer need Firefox in the sources.list to get the latest?
916[05:30:02] <jmcnaught> mrpelican: and so what happens when you enter the passphrase to unlock the encrypted volume?
917[05:30:08] <TomTomTosch> okee, replaced-url
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919[05:30:55] <TomTomTosch> okee, for version you select esr45
920[05:31:02] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, it says /dev/mapper/cluelessperson--vg-root: clean #/# files #/#
921[05:31:05] <mrpelican> 52 blocks
922[05:31:35] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, then it gets stuck saying "A start job is running for dev* stuff"
923[05:31:49] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, then gives a warning, and asks for root password to get into maintenance mode.
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925[05:32:29] <jmcnaught> mrpelican: "stuff" isn't very clear or helpful. when you enter the root password, can you check the logs or journalctl?
926[05:33:02] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, my root is /sbin/nologin
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928[05:33:10] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, Do you know how I can change to shell?
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930[05:33:44] <mrpelican> replaced-url
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933[05:36:08] <jmcnaught> mrpelican: you could try appending "systemd.debug-shell" to the kernel command line in grub, which should give you a root shell on tty9. see /usr/share/doc/systemd/README.Debian for more details about that
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935[05:36:35] <jmcnaught> mrpelican: i'm not sure what the consequences of setting root's shell to /sbin/nologin would be overall, but i'd change it back to default
936[05:38:02] <awal1> okee, about your 3d party repositories: have you heard about 'frankendebian' system? »»»»»» replaced-url
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942[05:40:49] <okee> TomTomTosch> Can you give me the exact syntax for using the apt-get with Firefox esr45? Mozilla's servers are not picking it up from the sources.list
943[05:41:36] <TomTomTosch> deb replaced-url
944[05:41:57] <jmcnaught> okee: replaced-url
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950[05:44:26] <okee> jmcnaught> Thanks. I didn't see it in the drop down menu.
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956[05:47:31] <mrpelican> Okay, so problem one. My root's shell is set to /sbin/nologin. So now I'm stuck at maintance mode without a shell, any ideas?
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960[05:49:08] <jmcnaught> mrpelican: you're probably going to need to boot from a recovery CD that can decrypt/mount/chroot your system, then set your root shell back to default
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966[05:52:09] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, SIGH. I'll just have to reinstall
967[05:52:29] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, Actually, I dont think I can yet
968[05:52:39] <mrpelican> I have to try to regain the keys I hadn't backed up yet. >.<
969[05:53:25] <jmcnaught> mrpelican: where did you get the idea to set root's shell to /sbin/nologin?
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971[05:54:54] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, dunno
972[05:55:11] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, I don't understand why I can't login as a user
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974[05:55:51] <jmcnaught> mrpelican: it would be interesting to figure out why your system won't start properly, but you'll need to fix the root login issue first
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983[06:02:35] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, I have rescue mode starting
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985[06:02:51] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, from a USB netinst drive
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998[06:09:18] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, May I pm you
999[06:10:18] <jmcnaught> mrpelican: it's probably better if we do support in the channel, so when i make mistake others can correct them
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1003[06:11:31] <markybob> for the record i thought you had a good idea earlier with reinstalling. you'd be done by now.
1004[06:11:57] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, replaced-url
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1006[06:12:37] * mrpelican thinks he probably yanked the USB drive at the end of the debian install too soon before something finished writing. :(
1007[06:12:46] <markybob> mrpelican: that's normal. it can't find it because it's encrypted. it's not supposed to see it.
1008[06:12:54] <jmcnaught> mrpelican: i don't reboot very often, but i think i get the same message before i decrypt, because the logical volumes aren't visible until decryption
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1011[06:15:33] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, markybob Makes sense. See I don't reboot often either.
1012[06:15:57] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, markybob Well, I have a USB live boot prepared. I just don't know how to continue.
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1014[06:16:31] <markybob> mrpelican: i wouldn't try unless you have seriously important shit that you haven't backed up. it'll take much longer than a reinstall
1015[06:16:59] <jim> if running gdm, where can I put commands to run once I log into gdm?
1016[06:17:07] <mrpelican> markybob, jmcnaught replaced-url
1017[06:17:27] <mrpelican> markybob, I performed a LetsEncrypt setup, and I want to recover the keys. :
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1019[06:17:36] <mrpelican> markybob, but I can probably live without.
1020[06:18:07] <markybob> mrpelican: we've already spent over an hour talking about it. you can reinstall faster than that.
1021[06:18:52] <mrpelican> markybob, well, I'm going to try and recover those keys first by mounting in ubuntu live. :)
1022[06:18:59] <simonlnu> if he had anything like customisations i bet he'll have a thought to keep those
1023[06:19:06] <jmcnaught> mrpelican: i haven't had to mount an encrypted volume manually in quite some time, but you're going to need the cryptsetup tool. also i see nothing wrong with trying to recover if you're interested in the learning experience, and saving those keys could be easier than recovering them
1024[06:19:21] <simonlnu> yeah
1025[06:19:58] <jmcnaught> if it was a fresh install and it was messed up, sure try reinstalling again to get it right. but knowing how to recover an encrypted volume is a valuable skill
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1027[06:20:22] <simonlnu> yuppers
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1030[06:20:40] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, Yeah, I'm pretty sure the errors have to do with my /storage drive.
1031[06:20:50] <mrpelican> Which is an entirely seperate SSD (960GB)
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1033[06:21:40] <jmcnaught> mrpelican: it does look like it it's trying to run fsck. how long have you let it run for?
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1035[06:22:27] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, I let it finish. The error after fschk is [ TIME ] Timed out waiting for device dev-disk-by\x2duuid-<LARGE_UUID>.device
1036[06:22:39] <mrpelican> [DEPEND] Dependency failed for Cryptography Setup for storage.
1037[06:22:58] <mrpelican> The Storage drive shouldn't effect the system drive
1038[06:23:03] <jmcnaught> mrpelican: do the two encrypted volumes have two different keys?
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1041[06:24:34] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, System Drive has 1 passphrase/key. Storage drive has 2 keys. (key slot 1 is the same as system drive, key slot 2 is an online key that I don't mind having on a running system)
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1044[06:25:05] <mrpelican> The idea is that the primary encryption key is never used on an Online system, but the storage drive can be decrypted with a secondary online key.
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1046[06:26:01] * mrpelican burns his Live Ubuntu USB flash drive
1047[06:27:02] <jmcnaught> mrpelican: this looks like a fairly reasonable guid to mounting the encrypted volume from the live disk: replaced-url
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1050[06:27:59] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, I just wish I had thought to go ahead and setup the backups directory on my storage drive first
1051[06:28:14] <mrpelican> Then I could just reinstall and instantly copy back /etc/ configs
1052[06:28:16] <jmcnaught> mrpelican: however i bet if your live disk has gnome disks tool on it you can probably just do that
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1060[06:31:49] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, It's wonderful having network remote management.
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1066[06:33:35] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, simonlnu markybob So, I booted up Ubuntu live disk, (try before you install) and it immediately detects the drive as "230 GB Encrypted"
1067[06:33:44] <mrpelican> entered decryption phrase, and bam, I'm in.
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1069[06:34:04] <mrpelican> it says it doesn't recognize filesystem type, but it mounts fine. (probably the swap partiion)
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1071[06:34:28] <simonlnu> tada
1072[06:34:31] <mrpelican> and I'm in
1073[06:34:31] <mrpelican> :D
1074[06:34:43] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, dance with me. I'm in the encrypted drive
1075[06:34:54] * mrpelican wonders how to fix it, or if he should bother.
1076[06:35:31] <jmcnaught> mrpelican: so next up is changing root's shell back to /bin/bash, or recovering your letsencrypt keys at the least
1077[06:35:56] <mrpelican> My fstab's line to mount the storage drive is
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1079[06:36:13] <mrpelican> /dev/mapper/storage /storage ext4 defaults 0 2
1080[06:36:43] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, yeah, inserting another usb now
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1084[06:38:11] <kang00> Hi
1085[06:39:33] <jmcnaught> mrpelican: once you've corrected root's shell, it'll probably still boot into maintenance mode, but at least you'll be able to check logs to diagnose the issue
1086[06:39:49] <kang00> Looking for mentor
1087[06:40:06] <NonfreeDriversSu> Disabling mouse acceleration on Jessie (GDM). Attempted to create xorg.conf.d/50-mouse-acceleration.conf file as advised here: replaced-url
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1095[06:43:32] <NonfreeDriversSu> Brb. Make sure to tag me if you reply please
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1098[06:45:03] <elvisthedj> I have a script that I need to run automatically that stops a service before it runs, and restarts it when it's finished. The script needs to be run as non-root user. What's the best approach? e.g. I want to stop mpd, run the app, restart mpd when done. Anyway to make sysctl let me start/stop a service w/o being root?
1099[06:45:28] <elvisthedj> ^debian jessie
1100[06:45:43] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, What shell would you like? /bin/bash?
1101[06:46:03] <simonlnu> whatever root was using is optimal
1102[06:46:20] <simonlnu> (default install is bash)
1103[06:46:57] <simonlnu> like 99% of distros out there
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1106[06:47:31] <mrpelican> simonlnu, everything is backed up, shutting down. :)
1107[06:47:41] <simonlnu> w00t
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1117[06:50:12] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, simonlnu I'm about to do a lot of flying after work tomorrow. So I'm making sure my server is up for my "personal cloud" for backup purposes.
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1119[06:50:36] * simonlnu nods
1120[06:51:13] <mrpelican> everything backed up, everything encrypted, fuck the TSA, etc.
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1122[06:51:53] * mrpelican hands simonlnu a 2 inch steel sphere. Do you think they'll confiscate this?
1123[06:52:09] <mrpelican> I use it as a stress ball. Polished mirror finish 2" ball bearing.
1124[06:52:45] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, I'm in! :D with root shell
1125[06:53:02] <jim> mrpelican, please watch the f-bombs
1126[06:53:09] <mrpelican> jim, you got it
1127[06:53:20] <jim> thanks
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1129[06:54:55] <jim> oops,, forgot where I was,,, I don't actually know the language policy here if there is one (it's ##linux that does have one)
1130[06:55:02] <NonfreeDriversSu> Disabling mouse acceleration on Jessie (GDM). Attempted to create xorg.conf.d/50-mouse-acceleration.conf file as advised here: replaced-url
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1134[06:56:07] <mrpelican> jim, it's likely similar.
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1136[06:57:10] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, So I'm in. What do I do?
1137[06:57:32] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, I could reinstall, but I'm afraid this'll just occur again, I didn't do anything particularly weird.
1138[06:57:45] <jmcnaught> mrpelican: you're in that maintenance shell? check the logs and see what's happening
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1141[06:59:01] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, I'm not sure where to look or what for. I'm staring at /var/log/
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1144[06:59:31] <jmcnaught> mrpelican: i usually check journalctl first these days
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1148[07:00:00] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, journalctl -xn ?
1149[07:01:03] <mrpelican> "Failed at step EXEC spawning /bin/plymouth: No such file or directory"
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1151[07:01:54] <jmcnaught> mrpelican: -n shows most recent lines so might not be useful. -x expands journal entries with more info so that could help. i usually just start with "journalctl" unless i know i'm looking for problems with a specific unit/binary/user/boot or something
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1155[07:03:07] <theunixfreak> hi friends. i have a thinkpad with Realtek wireless card (RTL8192EE) the card is supported out of the box on debian testing and it seems to work, though it is a bit buggy, especially when i wake the computer from sleep. when i go through kernel ring buffer (dmesg) i find the line "Direct firmware load for rtlwifi/rtl8192eefw.bin failed with error -2" i installed the realtek-firmware package and the error is gone. my question is, why is there a
1156[07:03:07] <theunixfreak> firmware package if the card can work without it? should i use the rtlwifi driver bundled with debian or should i also install firmware-realtek?
1157[07:03:08] <jmcnaught> mrpelican: i doubt plymouth is the problem. plymouth makes the boot pretty
1158[07:03:52] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, okay, the correct command is "journalctl -xb"
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1161[07:04:24] <jmcnaught> theunixfreak: some modules sorta work without a firmware, but provide extra features if the firmware is present
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1163[07:04:26] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, and it looks like it just failed to mount/decrypt or whatever, my storage drive. Which apparently incidates failed encrypted drive mount, which looks like it's a depends by the os
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1168[07:04:57] <jmcnaught> mrpelican: check your /etc/crypttab ?
1169[07:05:27] <theunixfreak> jmcnaught, my card has been giving me problems ever since i bought the laptop, only now i find the new rtlwifi driver a bit stable. will using firmware-realtek make it unstable again?
1170[07:05:44] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, there are two lines.
1171[07:05:59] <jmcnaught> theunixfreak: if it works without the firmware, why bother with the firmware? if you're haivng problems, the firmware might help
1172[07:06:07] <mrpelican> sda5_crypt UUID=<SOMEUUID> none luks
1173[07:06:23] <mrpelican> storage UUID=<SOMEOTHERUUID> /var/credentials/storage.keyfile luks
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1175[07:06:29] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, that seem right? ^
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1177[07:06:42] <karlpinc> mrpelican: Is this after a jessie upgrade?
1178[07:06:55] <theunixfreak> jmcnaught, the driver fails to connect to the router when i wake my laptop from sleep. i have to rmmod the module "rtl8192ee" the reload it for the wlan card to work. i am hoping that the firmware may help
1179[07:07:08] <mrpelican> karlpinc, New jessie installation
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1182[07:07:48] <karlpinc> mrpelican: I recall something in the jessie release notes about cryptsetup and keyfiles. You might go looking....
1183[07:07:59] <jmcnaught> mrpelican: is "storage" the name of a logical volume?
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1186[07:08:08] <theunixfreak> jmcnaught, thanks for the help :) see you soon
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1188[07:08:26] <karlpinc> mrpelican: Don't let me derail you here though. That's just a thought.
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1190[07:09:16] <theunixfreak> hey NonfreeDriversSu, do you know the status of firmware-realtek? are they actively developing it?
1191[07:09:30] <jmcnaught> mrpelican: to be honest i'm not familiar with using key files, so karlpinc's suggestion is worth looking into
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1193[07:09:56] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, I don't believe so. I think that's just the name of the device to the mapper according to replaced-url
1194[07:10:21] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, When I made the storage device, I did. /dev/sdb
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1196[07:10:26] <mrpelican> not /dev/sdb1 or something
1197[07:10:33] <karlpinc> !tell theunixfreak about realtek
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1199[07:10:51] <jmcnaught> mrpelican: heh, /me actually reading crypttab(5) now
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1201[07:11:02] <karlpinc> theunixfreak: Perhaps one of the factoids is helpful? I've not been paying ntion.
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1207[07:12:36] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, wtf. in /etc/crypttab my UUID for storage does NOT match /dev/sdb (the storage SDD)
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1209[07:12:48] <theunixfreak> karlpinc, i have a realtek wireless card (RTL8129EE) as far as i know, there has not been a stable driver for it till now. now there seems to be a firmware (realtek-firmware) and a free package (rtlwifi) for making it work. is the firmware-realtek stable now? is it being actively developed? what is the state of rtlwifi on rtl8192ee
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1211[07:13:20] <mrpelican> /etc/crypttab->storage->UUID != blkid /dev/sdb
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1214[07:14:19] <jmcnaught> mrpelican: the first line for sda5_crypt or whatever, that matches?
1215[07:14:42] <jmcnaught> mrpelican: how different is it? is it possibly an editing error?
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1218[07:16:39] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, That matches what?
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1220[07:17:21] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, and yes, /etc/crypttab->sda5_crypt->UUID == blkid /dev/sda5
1221[07:17:27] <mrpelican> matches
1222[07:17:56] <jmcnaught> mrpelican: yeah that's what i meant
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1224[07:18:24] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, Testing with "cryptdisks_start storage"
1225[07:18:33] <mrpelican> waiting for it to finish whatever the hell it's doing
1226[07:18:37] <mrpelican> I think it's doing fschk
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1228[07:18:52] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, Yeah, /storage mounts fine.
1229[07:18:53] <ljhade24> When does Icedove going to change it's name to be thunderbird?? any idea?
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1231[07:19:02] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, I'm going to test a reboot.
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1235[07:20:10] <jmcnaught> ljhade24: i think there's a bug on the BTS about it, not really sure though
1236[07:20:20] <mrpelican> Doing reboot
1237[07:20:37] <ljhade24> jmcnaught: what's BTS??
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1239[07:21:06] <jmcnaught> ljhade24: bug tracking system, replaced-url
1240[07:21:37] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, Booted fine.
1241[07:21:44] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, Apache2 failed to start for whatever reason
1242[07:21:59] <jmcnaught> mrpelican: sweet! about the boot at least.
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1247[07:23:38] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, I'm confused. Random things seem to just fail
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1249[07:23:46] <mrpelican> apache2 is the only error that appeared this time
1250[07:24:10] <mrpelican> syntax error in default-ssl.conf
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1259[07:27:00] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, Ah, Yeah, I cleared out my self-signed CA before hand, so the line looking for the CA file is not finding it. Apache2 started. Well it's all working
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1261[07:27:22] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, I'm confused as to why the UUID changed, or maybe I somehow got it wrong. I don't know.
1262[07:27:26] <mrpelican> but it's confusing
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1267[07:28:00] <jmcnaught> mrpelican: excellent. are you using the letsencrypt package from jessie-backports by the way? I was playing with it yesterday, definitely going to use it for my next web site
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1269[07:28:52] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, I didn't use backports. :) I literally followed these instructions replaced-url
1270[07:29:01] <jmcnaught> mrpelican: if the UUID gets changed in crypttab again then it would be very suspicious, but sounds like you've got it resolved for now
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1272[07:29:23] <jmcnaught> mrpelican: ahh.. well there's a package in jessie-backports now FYI
1273[07:29:29] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, but I used "./letsencrypt-auto --apache -d cluelessperson.com" :)
1274[07:29:48] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, I'll keep that in mind. Either way they made it very easy. :)
1275[07:30:19] <jmcnaught> mrpelican: you're braver than me :) i'm too chicken to let letsencrypt touch my apache configuration, was planning on using the webroot method
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1277[07:31:20] <cluelessperson> jmcnaught, I'm back baby! :D
1278[07:31:27] <simonlnu> ljhade24: they're 2 different things, but the code is mostly thunderbird (there's very little difference except branding, really, and some patches)
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1280[07:31:38] <cluelessperson> jmcnaught, They don't actually. They create their own new site-enabled file. :)
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1282[07:32:16] <cluelessperson> jmcnaught, Which includes a link back to a conf in their /etc/letsencrypt/ssl.conf or something similar. It has a cipher uite setup and ssl enabled, that's all. Pretty simple.
1283[07:32:41] <cluelessperson> jmcnaught, I just deleted it and setup my own modern ciphersuite from a generator that's online.
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1286[07:33:24] <cluelessperson> jmcnaught, My only complaint is that it locks you in with a 2048 bit key with letsencrypt, and it's not as strong as a cipher as it could be, but it's definitely "good enough
1287[07:34:00] <cluelessperson> jmcnaught, replaced-url
1288[07:34:06] <simonlnu> eek, 2048
1289[07:34:18] <cluelessperson> simonlnu, wut
1290[07:34:32] <simonlnu> i prefer 4096 too
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1292[07:35:05] <cluelessperson> simonlnu, hahahaha. I go for 1024*8
1293[07:35:05] <simonlnu> which reminds me
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1298[07:37:05] <jmcnaught> cluelessperson: nice, i'm glad you got your stuff fixed without a reinstall :)
1299[07:37:37] <cluelessperson> jmcnaught, Thank you very much for your help btw. I'm just confused. It's possible I got the UUID wrong, (this was first reboot)
1300[07:37:49] <cluelessperson> jmcnaught, but the system drive should not be dependent on the storage drive
1301[07:37:54] <cluelessperson> jmcnaught, do you know how I can fix that?
1302[07:38:04] <jmcnaught> cluelessperson: not sure
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1308[07:40:25] <jmcnaught> cluelessperson: do you know about etckeeper?
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1310[07:41:05] <cluelessperson> jmcnaught, nope. :)
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1316[07:42:41] <jmcnaught> ,i etckeeper
1317[07:42:42] <judd> Package etckeeper (admin, optional) in jessie/amd64: store /etc in git, mercurial, bzr or darcs. Version: 1.15; Size: 33.9k; Installed: 206k; Homepage: replaced-url
1318[07:43:09] * simonlnu uses etckeeper
1319[07:43:10] <jmcnaught> cluelessperson: it has apt hooks, so it makes a new commit every time apt runs, pretty sweet
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1321[07:44:12] <cluelessperson> jmcnaught, nifty
1322[07:44:53] <jmcnaught> cluelessperson: if you already had it, it would have been able to tell you when/if /etc/crypttab was modified
1323[07:45:14] <cluelessperson> jmcnaught, I remember entering that incorrect UUID myself
1324[07:45:28] <cluelessperson> jmcnaught, What confuses me, is that I know I got thta UUID by doing blkid /dev/sdb
1325[07:45:39] <cluelessperson> jmcnaught, so I'm under the impression the UUID for /dev/sdb changed
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1328[07:47:34] <jmcnaught> cluelessperson: gremlins maybe, or possibly underpants gnomes
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1332[07:48:37] <cluelessperson> jmcnaught, Man, I thought the cream from my doctor took care of those.
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1447[09:09:28] <MurciLee> is there debian package that can open erwin file?
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1505[09:55:31] <MaBunny> hey
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1514[10:05:26] <MaBunny> nothing going on here?
1515[10:05:52] <musca> hello MaBunny
1516[10:06:15] <MaBunny> musca: hey
1517[10:06:53] <musca> MaBunny: debian linux user support is on topic here.
1518[10:07:05] <MaBunny> ok
1519[10:07:22] <musca> feel free to ask ...
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1521[10:07:39] <MaBunny> i was more on chatting
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1525[10:08:27] <MaBunny> does dev-cpp come on debian?
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1533[10:10:22] <musca> MaBunny: are you refering to recent c++ compiler?
1534[10:10:45] <MaBunny> yes
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1538[10:12:30] <musca> ,v gcc
1539[10:12:31] <judd> Package: gcc on amd64 -- squeeze: 4:4.4.5-1; wheezy: 4:4.7.2-1; jessie: 4:4.9.2-2; stretch: 4:5.3.1-1; sid: 4:5.3.1-1; experimental: 4:6-20160101-2
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1542[10:14:48] <musca> MaBunny: stretch did switch to gcc 5 with an ABI change. It has been a quite big transition.
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1546[10:15:48] <MaBunny> yeah,the latest is gcc 5,but im now on gcc 4.9
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1550[10:18:14] <musca> MaBunny: It's not easy to jump back and forth between theese, I think.
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1552[10:19:07] <MaBunny> idk,i hav been using gcc 4.9 since a long time,or are you meaning stretch and stable?
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1580[10:30:56] <zxd> Are there proprietary intel drivers for 945GM
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1584[10:36:39] <musca> zxd: intel drivers have been open in the past.
1585[10:36:44] <musca> ,v xserver-xorg-video-intel
1586[10:36:45] <judd> Package: xserver-xorg-video-intel on amd64 -- squeeze: 2:2.13.0-7; squeeze-backports: 2:2.15.0-3~bpo60+2; wheezy: 2:2.19.0-6; wheezy-backports: 2:2.21.15-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 2:2.21.15-2+b2; jessie-backports: 2:2.99.917-2~bpo8+1; stretch: 2:2.99.917+git20160307-2; sid: 2:2.99.917+git20160307-2
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1590[10:38:35] <zxd> what's the difference between xserver-xorg-video-intel and i915.ko kernel module?
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1603[10:47:36] <zxd> I ask because vlc player seems to be working slow
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1651[11:13:14] <musca> zxd: the driver stack is divided in parts. xserver-xorg-video-intel contains the "DDX" part.
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1676[11:31:06] <shiin> Hello. I've been having trouble compiling Haskell platform 7.10.3 on Wheezy. Is there a recommended way to achieve that?
1677[11:31:36] <shiin> When I first tried to download and make Haskell platform, I found out I had to get cabal-install, and for cabal-install I need GHC, but GHC needs GHC too, and the GHC in Wheezy is too old to compile the new GHC.
1678[11:32:01] <shiin> I have several Jessie systems on virtual machines on a server, but the server itself is still Wheezy and thus not that easy to upgrade.
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1683[11:34:46] <Walex> shiin: as always the issue is that "stable" means "stable" :-)
1684[11:35:31] <sussudio> there's always backports.
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1686[11:36:36] <Walex> shiin: the secondary issue is that at some point the self-compiling Haskell compiler obviously needed to self-compile itself, so there must be a version of the compiler in between that on 7/Wheezy and 7.10.3 that that you can use to complete the boostrap process.
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1688[11:37:57] <Walex> shiin: alternatively you can try to build a statically-linked version of 'ghc' 7.10.3 under 8/Jessie and then copy it to 7/Wheezy and use that to start the bootstrap
1689[11:37:57] <shiin> I could try to create an intermediate GHC between the Wheezy GHC version, which is 7.4, and one that can compile 7.10, but ugh.
1690[11:38:18] <Walex> shiin: boostrapping is not always convenient...
1691[11:38:38] <shiin> Maybe I should really plan how to update that system first.
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1696[11:40:13] <Walex> shiin: the other story is that it is exceptionally unwise of the 'ghc' maintainers to use new language features in the compiler that compiles them, across minor versions.
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1701[11:41:10] <shiin> Not the most conventional way, but then the minor version just really is a major version.
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1705[11:41:53] <shiin> I suppose the statically linked way sounds rather plausible
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1709[11:42:47] <shiin> I will keep that in mind as I evaluate how much effort it would be to switch to a new server based on Jessie.
1710[11:43:02] <shiin> Thank you for your advice.
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1713[11:43:53] <Walex> shiin: BTW there is a tool that "packs" into a pseudo-static executable a dynamically linked one.
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1715[11:44:31] <shiin> What is it called?
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1719[11:45:08] <MaBunny> checkinstall?
1720[11:45:08] <TomTomTosch> Hello, MaBunny. have you gotten pioneer space sim to work?
1721[11:45:20] <MaBunny> no,i havent
1722[11:45:40] <MaBunny> tommorrow I hav an exam
1723[11:45:52] <TomTomTosch> MaBunny, i've built it yesterdey to have a look. it works pretty well.
1724[11:46:01] <Walex> shiin: MaBunny: it is not 'checkinstall' but I can't remember the name
1725[11:46:05] <MaBunny> thnx for the info
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1729[11:47:14] <Walex> shiin: replaced-url
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1740[11:52:08] <MaBunny> TomTomTosch,ill probably make changes to my jessie after a few months,i just needed to kno if its ok
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1743[11:55:05] <TomTomTosch> MaBunny, you can ask here if you have doubts.
1744[11:55:10] <MaBunny> thnx
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1760[12:05:15] <LaT0rtue> .
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1787[12:20:49] <venkat_330> hi aall
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1822[12:41:23] <Nathuram> 1/msg dpkg guidelines
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1842[12:56:56] <MaBunny> hey Nathuram
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2026[14:36:55] <DoctorD90> hello guys! but debian supports secure boot/uefi?
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2033[14:40:30] <r6ku> !uefi
2034[14:40:31] <dpkg> Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) is a firmware interface specification, intended to replace the <BIOS> firmware interface. Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later releases support installation in (U)EFI mode on 64-bit PC systems (amd64), <secure boot> is currently not supported. replaced-url
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2102[15:10:26] <r0ck_> which is better to use: aptitude or apt-get
2103[15:10:27] <r0ck_> ?
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2124[15:19:26] <dionysus69> if I use raspbian are there packages available for like nginx and psql ?
2125[15:19:42] <r6ku> the manual(replaced-url
2126[15:19:50] <dionysus69> i mean are there arm implementations of most popular packages or i will hit a brick wall?
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2129[15:20:40] <fred1807> I just installed debian jessie, and it seems lost on the year 2005 ? dpck configure tzdata does no fix it
2130[15:21:17] <fred1807> also iceweasel treat every single website as a security risk
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2132[15:21:42] <ewew> what shows hwclock ?
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2135[15:22:11] <ewew> fred1807 ^
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2137[15:22:25] <fred1807> no such command
2138[15:22:38] <markybob> fred1807: you need to be root or sudo
2139[15:23:00] <fred1807> december 31 2005
2140[15:23:18] <markybob> okay. go into your bios and fix that shit :P
2141[15:23:34] <ewew> fred1807 When is the last time you set the clock in bios,uefi ?
2142[15:23:38] <fred1807> what about iceweasel denying every website?
2143[15:23:44] <teraflops> fred1807: installed where? Pc, laptop, arm board? Set your time in the bios/efi. Also install a daemon to sync date and time over the network if you have an rpi-like thingy.
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2147[15:23:50] <fred1807> ewew: this is and old laptop, and probably never
2148[15:24:02] <DoctorD90> r6ku, and to support secure boot? what should I do?
2149[15:24:05] <fred1807> teraflops: HP pavilon laptop
2150[15:24:11] <markybob> DoctorD90: nothing
2151[15:24:14] <markybob> DoctorD90: won't work
2152[15:24:14] <ewew> fred1807 First possible cause is that battery on cmos is weak.
2153[15:24:15] <teraflops> fred1807: all the certificates will fail miserably until you fix your date and time
2154[15:24:52] <fred1807> teraflops: can I make the system ignore bios battery?
2155[15:24:57] <DoctorD90> markybob, but secure boot isnt something like a ssl certificate? so if i add it to the iso, it will work?
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2159[15:25:09] <fred1807> ignore bios clock
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2161[15:25:26] <markybob> DoctorD90: no
2162[15:25:29] <teraflops> fred1807: just sync time and date over the network
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2164[15:25:55] <DoctorD90> markybob, ah...but ubuntu has it :( ...uff....
2165[15:26:07] <fred1807> teraflops: command line for such job is?...
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2170[15:27:37] <teraflops> fred1807: just enable systemd-timesync service
2171[15:27:50] <fred1807> teraflops: I dont know how
2172[15:27:54] <teraflops> And then reboot or just start it
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2175[15:28:26] <fred1807> and How do I make grub auto start debian, without a select screen?
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2177[15:28:57] <teraflops> fred1807: since youre using debian i believe you want to learn to deal with systemctl
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2179[15:30:23] <markybob> fred1807: simple google replaced-url
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2181[15:30:36] <markybob> i'd still fix your fucking bios
2182[15:30:55] <fred1807> manually set the date and the fucking bios, and installing NTP now
2183[15:31:04] <teraflops> Heh if it's old maybe the cmos battery.is depleted
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2188[15:33:52] <fred1807> what annoys me is that everytime I google for debian help I get mostly ubuntu results
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2190[15:34:35] <markybob> fred1807: arch in my experience has the best wiki, fyi
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2193[15:36:00] <teraflops> fred1807: avoid the debian bit. it's just linux.
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2201[15:39:06] <karlpinc> fred1807: I've always used ntp. Install it, it works and fixes the time. system-timesyncd is newer and I can't recommend either for or against it. systemd-timesyncd may be better if all you want is a client, I can't say.
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2205[15:40:03] <fred1807> karlpinc: yes, NTP just working fine here
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2208[15:40:59] <fred1807> anyone succesfully installed AWUS036H on debian jessie?
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2210[15:41:32] <jim> what's that?
2211[15:41:50] <karlpinc> fred1807: That's not a good question. Ask your real question and see if someone answers.
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2214[15:43:42] <karlpinc> fred1807: You want to look at /etc/default/grub and "info -f grub -n 'Simple configuration'" for how to configure grub's screen display.
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2216[15:44:48] <fred1807> it is a usb wifi module (with high power antenna). When I connect to the laptop, I can see via DMESG that the thing is recognized (as realtek rtl8187 driver) but I dont see the interface on network manager or WICD windows
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2220[15:46:00] <markybob> fred1807: installing firmware-realtek should probably do the trick
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2223[15:47:03] <karlpinc> !rtl818x
2224[15:47:03] <dpkg> Realtek 802.11b/g PCI/PCIe and USB wireless LAN chips (RTL8180, RTL8185, RTL8187, RTL8187B, RTL8187SE) are supported by the rtl8180 and rtl8187 drivers in the Linux kernel. All drivers do not require firmware from userspace. replaced-url
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2226[15:47:50] <fred1807> I saw this information... but I dont why debian does not see the interface (dmseg list it correctly)
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2230[15:50:42] <HarryCross> Ive got an asus PCEAC68 - will that work straight away on Debian 8 or not?
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2238[15:53:02] <teraflops> HarryCross: who knows? Look at the hw. Or just run a debian live there
2239[15:53:51] <HarryCross> Ok. Will do
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2241[15:53:58] <jim> fred1807, how many lines do you get from lspci -nn | grep -i net
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2246[15:54:56] <jim> HarryCross, what kind of thing is that device?
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2248[15:55:10] <HarryCross> jim, wifi card
2249[15:55:24] <HarryCross> I was asking because of the previous thing I saw with WiFi
2250[15:55:43] <jim> is it in the machine now? and are you running linux of anysort?
2251[15:55:58] <fred1807> jim: 1 line (ethernet controler)
2252[15:56:07] <LaT0rtue_> i need to test my telnet serveur
2253[15:56:09] <HarryCross> Its in the machine right now, and I am going to be switching from Windows 10 to Debian 8 soon
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2255[15:56:16] <LaT0rtue_> can you test it 90.32.118.195 ?
2256[15:56:18] <LaT0rtue_> port 23
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2259[15:57:08] <jim> HarryCross, do you also have an ethernet port in that machine?
2260[15:57:10] <fred1807> HarryCross: probably it will work out of the box, as mostly modern machines do, try a live pen drive, and check if you will need additional drivers for your graphics card performance
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2262[15:57:20] <HarryCross> jim, yes I do
2263[15:57:21] <grawity> LaT0rtue_: down
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2265[15:57:39] <teraflops> My religion avoids me dealing with telnet and/or ftp
2266[15:57:46] <HarryCross> fred1807, Yeah, I just read a lot of confusing things about needing non free drivers etc
2267[15:57:57] <jim> do you have a way to connect it (a cable) and something to connect it to?
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2269[15:58:12] <HarryCross> I could use a powerline for a temporary solution
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2272[15:59:22] <fred1807> HarryCross: first run a live pen drive, check how it works, install it, and then go tailoring the system for better performance ( = install non free drivers IF they are needed) but things may, and will work, out of the box
2273[15:59:35] <HarryCross> Thanks. Will do
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2275[16:01:07] <LaT0rtue_> the port is now open
2276[16:01:10] <LaT0rtue_> port 23
2277[16:01:11] <LaT0rtue_> on 90.32.118.195
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2279[16:02:55] <grawity> the real Windows telnet server would at least respond to telnet options
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2281[16:02:58] <fred1807> jim: 1 line
2282[16:03:09] <jim> HarryCross, you can also install the base of debian (at least) using a netinstall image...
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2285[16:03:33] <jim> fred1807, so lspci isn't seeing the wireless
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2287[16:03:48] <fred1807> jim: dmesg ID it correctly
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2291[16:04:21] <jim> is it connected in some other way?
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2293[16:04:39] <fred1807> ? usb port?
2294[16:05:52] <jim> yeah, is it connected via usb?
2295[16:05:56] <fred1807> yes
2296[16:06:17] <jim> oh ok, no wonder... lsusb might see it
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2298[16:06:28] <fred1807> lsub does see it
2299[16:06:53] <fred1807> "realtek semiconductor wireless adapter"
2300[16:07:02] <fred1807> bus 002 device 002
2301[16:07:06] <jim> ok, you are running a linux?
2302[16:07:12] <fred1807> debian jessi
2303[16:07:17] <fred1807> just installed yesterday
2304[16:07:29] <jim> ok, try ifconfig -a
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2307[16:08:13] <fred1807> wow I see a wlan0
2308[16:08:40] <jim> ok... as root... try:
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2311[16:09:17] <jim> ifconfig wlan0 up ; iwlist scan
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2313[16:09:40] <grawity> or `iw wlan0 scan` for modern drivers
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2315[16:10:26] <jim> the question would be, do you see your neighbors' waps?
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2317[16:11:01] <fred1807> after ifconfig wlan0 up the led light turn on o/
2318[16:11:27] <jim> good sign
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2320[16:12:19] <fred1807> bother scan commands seems to work.. what now? I cant find on debian (LXDE) a GUI for selecting networks
2321[16:12:22] <fred1807> *both
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2324[16:12:44] <jim> you mean you do see some waps?
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2329[16:13:07] <fred1807> yes, list the avaliable WiFi connections... select one, and go
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2332[16:14:25] <fred1807> wicd network manager still does not see the thing
2333[16:14:28] <jim> well you can either do it by editing the text file /etc/network/interfaces, or you can run network-manager (or something like it)
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2335[16:15:12] <jim> do you have your own wap?
2336[16:15:20] <fred1807> yes I do
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2341[16:15:35] <fred1807> the GUI network manager on debian still does not list the wlan0, only the eth0
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2344[16:16:06] <jim> yes, I get that, that;s what you said before...
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2347[16:16:42] <jim> is it listed in the scan you did?
2348[16:16:45] <fred1807> add allow-hotplug eth0 wlan0 to interfaces?
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2351[16:17:38] <fred1807> yes it is listed
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2358[16:20:14] <jim> ok, *, this part is fuzzy to me... we did get as far as to verify the card works,,, and I forgot how to go the rest of the way... maybe on a temporary basis someone could set him up using /etc/network/interfaces?
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2364[16:21:49] <jim> fred1807, ok, you can ifconfig wlan0 down
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2366[16:22:21] <jim> is there something like network-manager file in /etc/init.d?
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2368[16:23:41] <fred1807> no there is not
2369[16:24:21] <jim> ok,,, the last time you rebooted, was the wireless usb connected?
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2371[16:25:30] <fred1807> just reboot now, with the usb connectec and system started with the wlan0 off
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2374[16:27:15] <jim> fred1807, does wicd see the card?
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2376[16:27:20] <fred1807> no
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2381[16:28:33] <fred1807> bingo
2382[16:28:36] <jim> well,,, you're in a pretty good position... we know the card works
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2384[16:28:56] <jim> wait, there;s one more thign
2385[16:28:57] <fred1807> I had to manually enter 'wlan0' to the wicd configu panel
2386[16:29:01] <fred1807> it is working now
2387[16:29:16] <jim> oh really
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2389[16:29:33] <fred1807> yes
2390[16:30:03] <fred1807> well. one last thing, what should I add to the etc/network/interfaces file to make sure the usb wifi card is up at every reboot?
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2392[16:30:14] <jim> that's great... see if you can connect to your own wap
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2394[16:30:51] <jim> I dunno what state nm wants it in
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2396[16:31:17] <jim> does nm show networks?
2397[16:31:27] <fred1807> it connect to my wap, working good
2398[16:31:44] <fred1807> network manager GUI still does not list it
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2400[16:32:05] <jim> so you can actually ping stuff?
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2403[16:32:41] <fred1807> browsing internet right now with the wifi adapter
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2407[16:33:42] <jim> the interfaces file format has a "pre-up"
2408[16:34:11] <jim> maybe you can put the ifconfig wlan0 up there?
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2411[16:34:37] <jim> but since your net is up, can you apt-get install nopaste
2412[16:34:49] <LaT0rtue_> telnetchat.ddns.net - port 23 !
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2414[16:34:57] <fred1807> nopaste?
2415[16:35:23] <jim> yeah, it's a stream pastebinner
2416[16:36:20] <LaT0rtue_> telnetchat.ddns.net - port 23 !
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2422[16:38:45] <jim> got that installed?
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2427[16:42:33] <jim> fred1807, after that, (you might want to check /etc/network/interfaces for sensitive info) run cat /etc/network/interfaces | nopaste
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2429[16:42:52] <jim> and then show the url it eventually gives you
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2435[16:44:08] <mezo> hey, on debian i have problems with random ping spikes over wifi (the length of the spike feels always the same). i already tried different wifi devices and on all i have the same problem. on windows my wifi is fine.
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2437[16:44:38] <esotericnonsense> mezo: sounds like wifi powersaving
2438[16:44:50] <teraflops> with different wifi devices?
2439[16:45:02] <mezo> 1x pcie 2x usb
2440[16:45:08] <mezo> thats what i tried so far
2441[16:45:09] <esotericnonsense> hmm, good point :)
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2445[16:45:55] <mezo> wifi power saving is atleast disabled in gnome settings.
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2472[16:57:06] <LaT0rtue_> TELNET: telnetchat.ddns.net - port 23
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2474[16:57:51] <fred1807> jim, replaced-url
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2476[16:58:13] <Yeretik> Hi! Anybody can talk to me about a solution to display CE708 Closed Captions at some media player?
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2485[17:02:38] <DexterF> hi
2486[17:02:40] <DexterF> !grub
2487[17:02:41] <dpkg> GNU GRUB 2 is a portable and powerful boot loader. Ask me about <grub config> and <grub default>. To reinstall, ask me about <fixmbr>. replaced-url
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2493[17:06:13] <jim> DexterF, having problems with grub?
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2498[17:07:19] <DexterF> jim, well, it works for a change, but when I want to change the default grub entry, do I manually edit /etc/default/grub or /boot/grub/grub.cfg?
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2500[17:07:46] <DexterF> (or not maunally at all?)
2501[17:07:54] <teraflops> DexterF: always edit /etc/default/grub
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2507[17:08:27] <jim> fred1807, any output from grep -r wlan0 /etc/network/interfaces.d
2508[17:08:27] <teraflops> DexterF: if you edit by hand /boot/grub/grub.cfg update-grub will overwrite your changes
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2510[17:08:28] <umbSublime> Hi, not necessarily debian related, but does anyone know how to configure sar so I can use "sar -m CPU"
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2514[17:08:55] <umbSublime> I currently get this when trying "Requested activities not available in file /var/log/sysstat/sa28"
2515[17:09:33] <teraflops> DexterF: if you want custom grub configuration take a look at /etc/grub.d
2516[17:09:39] <jim> DexterF, you can edit it... but, the file is regenerated when (for example) you install a kernel image
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2519[17:10:16] <jim> also, I think grub remembers the last thing it booted
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2521[17:10:54] <Nimms> jim, it doesn't by default.
2522[17:11:31] <jim> Nimms, what do you have to do to get it to do that?
2523[17:12:29] <Nimms> jim, change GRUB_DEFAULT value to "saved" in /etc/default/grub.
2524[17:12:49] <jim> that's all?
2525[17:13:02] <Nimms> update-grub then of course.
2526[17:13:19] <jim> oh I see, thanks for that
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2529[17:16:05] <Nimms> jim, hmm, looks like you also need to add GRUB_SAVEDEFAULT=true to the same file.
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2542[17:19:51] <jim> Nimms, so then, next boot would create save file?
2543[17:20:03] <DexterF> now... I have 3 kernels, I'd like the 3rd to be default, so I now says GRUB_DEAFULT=3, but what if I decide to uninstall kernel image 1 or 2?
2544[17:20:24] <rgammans> I've just upgraded to stretch (from jessie) and now ssh-agent isn't working. I'm getting ECONNREFUSED from ssh/ssh-add when anthing attempts to connect to SSH_AUTH_SOCK
2545[17:20:30] <DexterF> and how do I check now that the 3rd really is deafualt now? update-grub did not tell it
2546[17:20:36] <rgammans> does anybody have any ideas what to do to debug this
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2550[17:21:36] <markybob> rgammans: you'll get better testing support in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net per /topic
2551[17:21:42] <jim> DexterF, is it that the machine in question is a remote, that you don;t have physical access?
2552[17:21:53] <rgammans> oh. ok
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2563[17:24:05] <jim> DexterF, I notice you're being extra careful
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2566[17:25:29] <DexterF> jim: got physical access, but on the occasion I thought I ask how to do certain things by the book. grub2 still is strange to me.
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2570[17:25:52] <umbSublime> I figured it out, all I needed was to add "-S POWER" to the SADC_OPTIONS in /etc/sysstat/sysstat
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2575[17:27:37] <jim> DexterF, yeah, it's different alright
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2582[17:29:26] <Nimms> DexterF, you can check the needed kernel _name_ in /boot/grub/grub.cfg, copy it and put to GRUB_DEFAULT. It's not limited to numbers.
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2584[17:30:00] <DexterF> Nimms: ah!
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2595[17:34:15] <yacc_> Any recommendation on how to setup a mail server (smtp with smarthost, imap, and potentially some spam protection) on Debian?
2596[17:34:58] <yacc_> (Small number of users, so theoretically I could live with having real host uids issued to every and each email account.)
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2598[17:35:43] <DexterF> Nimms, the name in '...' or the name from the "linux" line? example replaced-url
2599[17:35:51] <friesenpeter> yacc_: are you familiar with any packaged mail server?
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2602[17:36:33] <Nimms> DexterF, no, you need the line starting with "menuentry".
2603[17:36:41] <yacc_> postfix mostly, but reading email with mutt and deleting spam is not really "wife-compatible".
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2605[17:37:02] <Nimms> DexterF, in this case it will be: GRUB_DEFAULT="Debian GNU/Linux, mit Linux 3.2.0-4-amd64"
2606[17:37:14] <DexterF> Nimms: ok, thanks
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2608[17:37:40] <friesenpeter> then go with replaced-url
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2611[17:38:14] <yacc_> friesenpeter, smail, sendmail, dovecot, but all of them are some years (or even decades) in the past. (Currently it's postfix + ssh + mutt for mail reading)
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2614[17:38:32] <tinyhippo> I have set a static ip in /etc/network/interfaces containing this ifnformation: replaced-url
2615[17:38:52] <jim> DexterF, but you run jessie?
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2618[17:39:47] <jim> tinyhippo, maybe the dhclient was running before, and is dying hard?
2619[17:39:58] <DexterF> jim: 8.0 upgraded from 7
2620[17:40:26] <tinyhippo> jim: how would I find out whether that is the case?
2621[17:40:40] <jim> DexterF, ok,,, did 3.16 not work?
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2623[17:40:58] <DexterF> jim: 3.16?
2624[17:41:07] <jim> tinyhippo see if it appears in ps aux?
2625[17:41:23] <Nimms> tinyhippo, do you run something like NetworkManager or wicd?
2626[17:41:35] <tinyhippo> Nimms: neither
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2628[17:41:51] <jim> DexterF, that kernel is what the jessie has set as default kernel (not sure why)
2629[17:41:51] <tinyhippo> jim: dhclient doesn't appear in ps aux
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2633[17:42:33] <jim> tinyhippo, hmm. is the address it's getting one it had before?
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2636[17:42:47] <tinyhippo> jim: yep
2637[17:43:01] <DexterF> jim: replaced-url
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2644[17:44:19] <jim> 3.16 isnt even there
2645[17:44:25] <jim> that's weird
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2649[17:45:50] <jim> tinyhippo, I wonder if the address is stored in some kind of cache... also, can I see your /etc/network/interfaces?
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2652[17:46:31] <tinyhippo> jim: replaced-url
2653[17:46:38] <jim> (tinyhippo, well it must be stored somewhere...)
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2655[17:48:03] <eatingthenight> is their an irc for debian packaging?
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2658[17:48:56] <jim> tinyhippo, hmm. this is nitpicking and grasping at straws... but does indenting the stuff in the stanza (after iface) make it work correctly?
2659[17:49:39] <Nimms> tinyhippo, remove dhcpcd, then "allow-hotplug eth0" line before "iface eth0 inet static".
2660[17:49:40] <jim> eatingthenight, #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net
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2662[17:49:53] <eatingthenight> @jim awesome thanks!
2663[17:50:00] <jim> welcome
2664[17:50:24] <tinyhippo> Nimms: dhcpcd isn't installed
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2668[17:51:06] <Nimms> tinyhippo, anyway, try adding "allow-hotplug eth0".
2669[17:51:07] <jim> tinyhippo, I guess locate the cache dir
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2673[17:51:50] <tinyhippo> Nimms: that sorted it! thanks - why would it cause that kind of problem?
2674[17:52:36] <Nimms> tinyhippo, because it didn't up eth0 at boot.
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2676[17:53:08] <Nimms> tinyhippo, though it's strange that DHCP still worked.
2677[17:53:10] <DexterF> jim: umm, I just see that aources.list is full of wheezy lines... I think something awful might have happened when I restored a backup recenlty...
2678[17:53:22] <tinyhippo> Nimms: odd
2679[17:53:27] <tinyhippo> Nimms: thanks for the fix, anyway
2680[17:53:32] <tinyhippo> thanks for your help too, jim
2681[17:53:34] <DexterF> (it's even affecting my typing :P)
2682[17:53:50] <jim> tinyhippo, welcome
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2684[17:54:23] <jim> DexterF, cat /etc/debian-version
2685[17:54:27] <Nimms> tinyhippo, package for dhcpcd is called "dhcpcd5", check if it is installed. Also run `which dhcpcd`.
2686[17:54:52] <tinyhippo> dhcpcd5 is installed, and is now removed, thanks Nimms :)
2687[17:54:56] <DexterF> jim: 7.9. royally confused.
2688[17:55:00] <Nimms> tinyhippo, you're welcome.
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2690[17:55:21] <jim> DexterF, we could try upgrading it...
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2692[17:56:26] <jim> DexterF, (don't edit anything yet) first, run apt-get update then
2693[17:56:43] <jim> run apt-get -d dist-upgrade
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2697[17:57:41] <jim> this would get the packages for bringing your wheezy uptodate (make sure /var has plenty of space)
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2700[18:00:20] <jim> (which is a precursor step for upgrading beyond that)
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2717[18:04:59] <ash12345678> does anyone have a few nminutes to give some advice to an idiot?
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2722[18:05:51] <ash12345678> regarding ethernet bridges
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2724[18:07:32] <jim> ash12345678, you should ask... put as much info as you know, and especially say something about what your goal is
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2727[18:08:55] <p0g0> ash12345678: what is the question?
2728[18:08:56] <ash12345678> jim I am using rasbian for the raspberry pi. I have a wireless network x.x.0.1 to x.x.0.254, and I am connected to that wirelessly. I want to connect a printer via ethernet to this network on the same subnet
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2730[18:09:15] <p0g0> wireless to wired bridges are funny...
2731[18:09:25] <ash12345678> p0g0 I gathered :3
2732[18:09:40] <p0g0> they odn't have all the header info the ehternet packet does.
2733[18:09:44] <p0g0> *don't
2734[18:09:45] <cluelessperson> okay, SERIOUSLY, wtf is this systemd bullcrap
2735[18:10:00] <cluelessperson> it can't seem to handle a basic server installation without causing problems
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2737[18:10:30] <jim> ash12345678, what I do is put the wireless ap on one subnet, and a switch on another, and run ipmasq on a box with 3 eths
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2739[18:10:37] <DexterF> cluelessperson: how so?
2740[18:10:48] <p0g0> ash12345678: I am not familiar with rasbian, but you should be able to do a routed solution.
2741[18:11:07] <cluelessperson> DexterF, so, if another SSD that's encrypted fails to mount via crypttab, the system drive won't boot
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2743[18:11:14] <jim> cluelessperson, pretty frustrating I gather
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2745[18:11:29] <cluelessperson> DexterF, I installed mysql server, decided I wanted to redo it, uninstalled, reinstalled, and it remarks that it's STILL RUNNING from before
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2747[18:11:38] <cluelessperson> so systemd failed to stop it quickly
2748[18:12:02] <cluelessperson> DexterF, The way I see it, , the move towards systemd has produced major instability in Debian
2749[18:12:04] <DexterF> jim: the OS is on raid1, my plan is: power down, remove one disk, set it aside as a "backup", boot degraded, upgrade, re-add disk when all is working.
2750[18:12:13] <cluelessperson> jim, I don't know what to do or how to handle this
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2754[18:13:44] <DexterF> cluelessperson: uninstalled with apt? I would have expected it to stop it as well, but maybe it did not for some reason.
2755[18:14:16] <cluelessperson> DexterF, Yes. apt-get purge mysql-server
2756[18:14:18] <jim> DexterF, that sounds risky... I never dealt with raid
2757[18:14:35] <cluelessperson> jim, Raids aren't so bad. Just make sure to watch for failing drives.
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2759[18:15:21] <DexterF> cluelessperson, jim, the real issue is the media server raid5 behind that... but that's "only" data, does not affect booting
2760[18:15:35] <DexterF> I rather try that I think
2761[18:15:37] <cluelessperson> Removing mysql-server (5.5.47-0+deb8u1) ...
2762[18:15:37] <cluelessperson> Setting up mysql-server-5.5 (5.5.47-0+deb8u1) ...
2763[18:15:41] <cluelessperson> WTF is this doing
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2769[18:18:06] <cluelessperson> DexterF, now it's just sitting there, stuck
2770[18:18:15] <cluelessperson> I don't want to setup mysql, I want to purge it
2771[18:18:16] <cluelessperson> wtf
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2773[18:18:50] <DexterF> jim, mayber that upgrade to 8 isnt such a brillant idea with what we hear right now ;)
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2777[18:20:00] <cluelessperson> DexterF, 8 is fine.
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2779[18:20:43] <jim> DexterF, yeah, I'm running it now, as a result of an upgrade from wheezy
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2781[18:21:02] <DexterF> ok, ill shutdown the machine and upgrade
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2784[18:21:12] <DexterF> with one disk out in case all goes fubar
2785[18:21:45] <jim> I don;t understand why having that disk in would cause a fubar?
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2787[18:22:17] <DexterF> well, I pull one mirror from the raid 1, so if the upgrade goes worng I can still boot from the mirror and rebuild from there
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2791[18:22:49] <jim> oh, so you want an indep backup
2792[18:23:37] <DexterF> jim: yes. I don't have the capacity to backup the media raid right now, but mdadm is pretty stable. the array even assemlbes from live linuxes, so... well.
2793[18:24:32] <DexterF> !upgrade
2794[18:24:32] <dpkg> from memory, upgrade is what keeps your box from getting r00ted, or what you do with aptitude. Do an aptitude update first, and then an aptitude upgrade. Ask me about <security>. If you upgrade to a new stable version of Debian, read its release notes first. Ask me about <squeeze->wheezy> <wheezy->jessie>.
2795[18:24:56] <DexterF> !wheezy->jessie
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2797[18:26:25] <jelly> dpkg, tell DexterF about msg the bot
2798[18:26:26] <DexterF> upgrading 7 to 8 will move to systemd on its own?
2799[18:27:02] <DexterF> jelly: got it
2800[18:27:11] <jelly> DexterF: by default, yes. It's docummented in the release notes. See also /msg dpkg jessie sysvinit
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2807[18:29:08] <asd213> Hi. Anybody else getting: "W: Failed to fetch replaced-url
2808[18:29:44] <asd213> The file doesn't seem to exist on any of the mirrors
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2811[18:32:16] <jmcnaught> cluelessperson: the package mysql-server is a meta package the pulls in the latest mysql, for jessie that's mysql-server-5.5. why do you instantly jump to blaming systemd? it's you who is not checking what they're doing
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2814[18:33:00] <jelly> asd213: can you manually rm /var/lib/apt/lists/*jessie-backports*Translation-en and do an update again
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2825[18:35:43] <asd213> jelly: Now the error is: ....W: Failed to fetch ..... Translation-en Hash Sum mismatch; Still not working.
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2829[18:36:10] <cluelessperson> jmcnaught, because as far as I can tell, systemd failed to shutdown mysql correctly, so I finished purging mysql, to find it's still running in memory with lock files
2830[18:36:18] <cluelessperson> jmcnaught, which broke dpkg
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2832[18:36:53] <jelly> asd213: I guess it's possible httpredir is giving you a mirror with incompletely synced jessie-backports
2833[18:37:08] <jelly> !which hdn
2834[18:37:09] <dpkg> To see which mirror you are being sent to by the <httpredir.debian.org> redirector, substitute the appropriate release and architecture into the following: «wget -O/dev/null --max-redirect=0 replaced-url
2835[18:37:48] <jelly> asd213: ^^ do that but with the replaced-url
2836[18:37:50] <jmcnaught> cluelessperson: did you remove "mysql-server-5.5"?
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2841[18:38:44] <asd213> jelly. The site returns HTTP 404. So the file doesn't exist
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2843[18:39:14] <cluelessperson> jmcnaught, yes.
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2846[18:41:21] <asd213> debian.mirror.iphh.net/debian/dists/jessie-backports/main/i18n/Translation-en
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2849[18:42:11] <asd213> it will probably work later..ty
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2852[18:42:50] <julius> hi
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2867[18:47:22] <julius> ive got a package: libqt4-opengl-dev which has unmet dependencies...how do you troubleshoot that?
2868[18:47:38] <julius> replaced-url
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2887[18:53:55] <DexterF> on apt-get dist-upgrade I get a metric ton of packages that are "kept back", like chromium or dpkg. how come?
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2912[18:59:12] <Gamenoob> Hello I have problem with an old pc which I intended to use as server. I tried to install debian without desktop enviroment and I cant get working wifi. I figured that out when I tried to update. But when I installed gnome wifi worked out out of the box. With desktop enviroment pc gets really slow(256 mb ram ) so I would like to use it without desktop.. If anybody can help please
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2917[19:00:24] <Nimms> Gamenoob, replaced-url
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2921[19:00:41] <atralheaven> hi, how can I limit a user's pam login to one login at a time? like user is logged in, if he tries to log in from another place, the first one log out. is it possible? thanks.
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2931[19:02:39] <menace> atralheaven: limits.conf
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2933[19:03:02] <Gamenoob> Nimms but I cant install it
2934[19:03:16] <Gamenoob> I dont have connection
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2936[19:03:46] <atralheaven> menace: on googling I saw it, but I didn't understand how it can be used in my case. may you explain more?
2937[19:03:48] <Nimms> Gamenoob, it is probably installed already.
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2942[19:04:25] <Gamenoob> I think I tried everything there but will do again
2943[19:04:27] <menace> you need to write an entry into /etc/security/limits.conf. e.g. @sudousers hard maxsyslogins 1
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2945[19:04:42] <menace> then every user in sudousers will only login one at a time.
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2948[19:05:20] <menace> it is a bit problematic in my experience, since some executables may be in the same group, so you should create extra groups for your users.
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2950[19:05:48] <menace> @companyusers hard maxsyslogins 1
2951[19:05:49] <menace> * hard maxsyslogins 0
2952[19:06:15] <menace> could be two example lines. you should try and work with that limits on your systems to understand it.
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2955[19:06:24] <pavlz> $
2956[19:06:27] <menace> preferable in a virtualmachine.
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2959[19:06:42] <atralheaven> menace: I think I can create a group for that.
2960[19:06:48] <atralheaven> menace: Im using PAM to auth openvpn clients, and there is no client certs, only pam, I want to limit each client to one connection at a time, not more, now they can connect to as many as places they want with one user/pass.
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2962[19:07:01] <atralheaven> menace: that's why I need that
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2971[19:08:05] <menace> at least a systemadministrator should be able to login, even if normal users are not allowed, otherwise disaster may occur.
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2974[19:08:38] <atralheaven> menace: sure, I can login
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2976[19:09:02] <menace> well, we do not do remote root login at all... well :)
2977[19:09:05] <atralheaven> menace: is it as simple as making a new group, and adding existing users to it, and then adding this rule?
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2980[19:10:12] <atralheaven> menace: not root, its disabled on ssh, but when I logged in as a normal user, I can sudo to do things that I need
2981[19:10:25] <menace> in general, yes. but if you do not know the system and just add it without knowledge of perhaps custom programs, you may shoot yourself in the foot. the normal principle to know what you're doing is still valid.
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2983[19:10:47] <menace> so, but what do you do, if another user is already logged in, and you only can see the bug, if he is logged in?
2984[19:10:55] <menace> and you cannot login because only one user is allowed?
2985[19:11:47] <menace> please, play with the tools instead of just adding some rule to etc-files because of irc-snippets from some random internet-stranger :(
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2987[19:12:11] <atralheaven> no, thats not what Im looking for, I want each user be able to authenticate with PAM once in a time, not from multiple places at the same time
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2992[19:13:00] <menace> ah, okay.
2993[19:13:02] <menace> hrm
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2995[19:13:14] <DexterF> for a realtek 8169 I need a firmware package when upgrading to 8 or I'll shut myself out?
2996[19:13:34] <menace> i'm not sure, if limits.conf can handle that case.
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2998[19:14:33] <atralheaven> menace: mmm any other solution? I think you got what im looking for
2999[19:14:45] <menace> theoretically maxlogins limits.conf(5) instead of maxsyslogins should do that.
3000[19:15:27] <atralheaven> menace: if I had certs, openvpn itself would do that, but this time we only use PAM to auth
3001[19:15:33] <atralheaven> I will check it out
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3003[19:15:56] <menace> then the same user may only login the specified number of logins. but that may hamper the application space (like with sudo perhaps). depends on the use case. try it out.
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3014[19:20:59] <DexterF> ok. update sources.list, apt-get update, dist-upgrade, even twice, not seeing the new 3.16 kernel in boot configs. it does not quite feel like all is done, especially with a lot of packages held back
3015[19:21:07] <DexterF> what should I do next?
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3020[19:22:08] <CrackerJack> DexterF testing
3021[19:22:13] <CrackerJack> ir sid
3022[19:22:18] <CrackerJack> or sid
3023[19:22:32] <DexterF> CrackerJack: wheezy to jessie, oldstable to stable
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3025[19:23:10] <CrackerJack> nikolov@ubuntu-ivan:~$ inxi -F
3026[19:23:10] <CrackerJack> System: Host: ubuntu-ivan Kernel: 4.6.0-040600rc1-generic x86_64 (64 bit)
3027[19:23:10] <CrackerJack> Desktop: Unity 7.4.0 Distro: Ubuntu 16.04 xenial my kernel to young born bu good
3028[19:23:14] <CrackerJack> but
3029[19:23:15] <abrotman> CrackerJack: please don't tell ;people that
3030[19:23:30] <CrackerJack> ok
3031[19:23:30] <abrotman> DexterF: what are you trying to do? Install the 4.x kernel from backports?
3032[19:23:36] <jmcnaught> DexterF: dist-upgrade is holding packages back? can you make a paste with the command and output?
3033[19:23:43] <CrackerJack> i am sory
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3038[19:24:37] <DexterF> jmcnaught: replaced-url
3039[19:25:01] <DexterF> abrotman: just upgrade from 7 to 8
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3042[19:26:35] <CrackerJack> DexterF use Aptitude and debug
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3044[19:26:49] <CrackerJack> not apt-get
3045[19:27:07] <abrotman> no
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3047[19:27:10] <abrotman> CrackerJack: please just stop
3048[19:27:34] <CrackerJack> of ok
3049[19:27:37] <abrotman> DexterF: pastebin "apt-cache policy" ; do you have any packages held back?
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3060[19:31:13] <DexterF> abrotman: replaced-url
3061[19:31:47] <DexterF> abrotman: you'll notice the deb-mm repos, I had to keep it else dist-upgrade would go very deep down the rabbit hole
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3069[19:33:10] <siloxid> has anyone here installed jessie on an asus zenbook ux305? are the hardware components supported ok?
3070[19:33:31] <Walakea> i have asus not zenbook but quite new laptop
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3073[19:33:59] <atralheaven> siloxid: you can try live, see if everything is ok?
3074[19:33:59] <jmcnaught> DexterF: do you get any packages listed from "dpkg --get-selections | grep 'hold$'" or "aptitude search ~ahold"? Also what do you mean by down the rabbit hole? Can you show what happens with debian multimedia removed?
3075[19:34:03] <Walakea> wifi not working by defualt
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3078[19:35:53] <DexterF> jmcnaught: both hold queries yield nothing. when I disabled dmm and updated, dist-upgrade complained about various packages that would break, and removing them generated further dependency problem, so I'd have to track down on and on
3079[19:36:05] <DexterF> I thus thought I better try and keep the dmm repos
3080[19:36:16] <DexterF> I can try again, hang on
3081[19:36:43] <jmcnaught> siloxid: if it's a skylake you might need to use the kernel and intel video driver from jessie-backports. also make sure it doesn't have the crappy mediatek wifi that Walakea's has
3082[19:37:08] <siloxid> atralheaven: no, actually I was asking before I buy one because if it doesn't support it well I would look elsewhere
3083[19:37:16] <Walakea> thanks
3084[19:37:59] <Walakea> i would like to know how you fare after you buy it
3085[19:38:01] <atralheaven> siloxid: o ok
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3088[19:38:22] <jhutchins> siloxid: There are a few databases that try to track what versions of Linux work on what hardware, but they rely on users to report results, and they're notoriously incomplete.
3089[19:38:22] <jmcnaught> DexterF: "/msg dpkg dmm remove" has instructions on removing this repo and its packages which might help
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3091[19:39:20] <DexterF> jmcnaught: I actually already did what dpkg suggested
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3093[19:40:13] <abrotman> DexterF: if you explicitly install chromium, what does it say?
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3096[19:41:04] <DexterF> abrotman: replaced-url
3097[19:41:37] * DexterF looks outside and all is yellow
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3100[19:42:09] <jmcnaught> DexterF: i'm taking a closer look at your "apt-cache policy" output, and i see the jessie/updates repo, but then it looks like everything else is set to wheezy
3101[19:42:17] <teraflops> DexterF: consider not using pastebin for the sake of humanity
3102[19:42:34] <abrotman> DexterF: aptitude search '~ahold'
3103[19:42:52] <abrotman> jmcnaught: well, that'd explain all sorts of issues :(
3104[19:42:54] <jmcnaught> DexterF: replaced-url
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3107[19:43:52] <greycat> Is pastebin.ca also considered bad? I know some people hate pastebin.com.
3108[19:43:53] <DexterF> let me review the sources
3109[19:43:58] <atralheaven> menace: is "maxlogins" a soft limit or a hard one?!
3110[19:44:05] <DexterF> teraflops: ?
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3112[19:44:49] <teraflops> greycat: ah hmm, they are not the same? then I apologize
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3114[19:45:07] <greycat> To be sure, there are many horrible ones.
3115[19:45:18] <DexterF> jmcnaught, abrotman, I, um, I missed a wheezy entry.
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3122[19:45:39] <teraflops> DexterF: nah nvm
3123[19:45:50] <stoffl> Hi! One question: I've overseen that Debian 6 has no updates anymore. I'd need to upgrade a server to debian 7. What is the best way to do so?
3124[19:46:04] <jmcnaught> DexterF: you can make a paste of your sources.list{.d} if you want them peer reviewed
3125[19:46:05] <abrotman> dpkg: tell stoffl about squeeze->wheezy
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3127[19:46:09] <siloxid> jhutchins: yeah. this is bad but I assumed that site wouldn't have anything about the ux305
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3129[19:46:16] <ychaouche> Hello #debian
3130[19:46:17] <DexterF> stoffl: make sure you changed all sources to wheezy -.-
3131[19:46:51] <DexterF> huge upgrade coming in now. sorry about the fuzz...
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3134[19:47:12] <ychaouche> in reportbug, is there a way for me to read a bug report ?
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3141[19:50:19] <siloxid> I made the mistake of getting a Lenovo S21e and the trackpad, wifi and hard drive aren't supported so it's completely useless
3142[19:50:36] <siloxid> so I'm a bit gunshy of hardware support ATM
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3145[19:52:06] <DexterF> siloxid: how is a hard drive not supported?
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3147[19:52:16] <jmcnaught> siloxid: used computers usually have better hardware support in debian. the cutting edge stuff is sometimes too far ahead. also better for the environment :)
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3150[19:53:33] <DexterF> lenovo T series ftw. worth every penny.
3151[19:54:06] <DexterF> and then I have to say, I'd go for that popular debian derivate on mobile devices
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3164[19:59:29] <siloxid> DexterF: the OS can't see it
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3172[20:01:14] <siloxid> so when you're trying to install debian, you get stuck at that point unless you want to install to a USB hard drive or USB stick or some other attachable device
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3176[20:02:32] <siloxid> I ended up installing to a 32GB usb stick that only sticks out a few MM when plugged in, but after a few months it got bumped and the entire system suddenly became unbootable
3177[20:02:37] <DexterF> siloxid: that whing has an integrated 32gb flash drive then? sounds like chipset issue. I'd really give xub16.04lts nightly a whirl, might fare you better
3178[20:02:56] <DexterF> or get a T series :)
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3205[20:18:43] <droo> hey
3206[20:19:03] <droo> can you recommend me any good online resources/tutorials to learn advance linux command line?
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3208[20:19:25] <droo> I know bash, I know easy commands (like id, ls, vi, etc)
3209[20:19:28] <droo> wanna learn something more
3210[20:19:43] <atralheaven> menace: I came back to using certs... only using pam is easier to maintain and may be good for user's anonymity, but using certs + auth is a safer method to auth, and I've been working with this method and I know it well. thank you for your help anyway!
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3213[20:20:27] <menace> ok :)
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3218[20:21:44] <tacomaster> how can i download unetbootin?
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3223[20:23:45] <bin_bash> ...
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3226[20:24:19] <bin_bash> tacomaster: replaced-url
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3229[20:25:22] <jmcnaught> tacomaster: it looks like unetbootin got dropped for Jessie. Are you trying to prepare a bootable USB stick with the Debian installer? If so, unetbootin isn't the right tool anyways
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3263[20:41:51] <technohehl> Does anybody of you know, when Debian 9 will be released?
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3266[20:42:35] <Kobaz> anyone know any other hardware accelerated remote desktop clients, other than remmina
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3271[20:43:57] <ponyofdeath> hi, why is tomcat not picking up the LC_* vars from /etc/default/locale do i need them in /etc/default/tomcat6 too?
3272[20:44:25] <greycat> If tomcat is a daemon launched by sysvinit or by systemd, it doesn't read the login/PAM configs.
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3275[20:44:48] <ponyofdeath> so i need to modify its init script?
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3277[20:45:21] <greycat> I would have to defer to someone who knows tomcat.
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3286[20:47:41] <technohehl> Maybe there is a Channel on Freenode
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3288[20:48:24] <dontknow> technohehl, two years later
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3294[20:49:55] <dontknow> stable has 3 years without lts part. and after that 3 years a new version will be released
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3297[20:52:05] <technohehl> Thanks
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3300[20:52:32] <TomTomTosch> technohehl, usually there is a release every two years. jessie is out for a year so probably in about a year.
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3332[21:03:28] <ychaouche> Hello #debian
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3337[21:04:17] <ychaouche> how many time approx. between sending email to ###@bugs.debian.org and seeing it online ?
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3341[21:05:12] <ychaouche> oops, caught up
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3343[21:05:17] <ychaouche> o/
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3345[21:05:29] <teraflops> impatience ...
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3356[21:08:07] <fred1807> if fsck number is set at fstab, will the system fsck the partition at every boot or only after X mounts ?
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3378[21:19:22] <DexterF> dist-upgrade complains about kernel modules: replaced-url
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3433[21:34:46] <nyuszika7h> W: Failed to fetch replaced-url
3434[21:34:54] <riskc> in arduino's IDE, compiling the very same code that worked before (even example code...) now throws error messages like "unknown type name 'uint8_t'". Any idea why?
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3437[21:36:44] <jmcnaught> nyuszika7h: try running apt-get update again, probably just a mirror that is not up to date
3438[21:37:15] <nyuszika7h> this is the fourth time, but the error magically disappeared now!
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3452[21:41:34] <Slimmy> hello ever since i started using chromium i have LOADS of chached ram. how to empty it?
3453[21:41:52] <greycat> !free ram
3454[21:41:52] <dpkg> Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>.
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3458[21:42:34] <greycat> Emptying your cached memory would be hugely counter-productive.
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3460[21:43:12] <Slimmy> but i only have 250 more MB left
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3464[21:44:40] <greycat> You're saying 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache' = 250000 ?
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3474[21:48:37] <Slimmy> free
3475[21:48:48] <Slimmy> i mean only 200 more mb free ram
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3477[21:48:50] <greycat> Please read what dpkg said about free ram.
3478[21:49:05] <Slimmy> i did and all cool now
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3484[21:51:21] <greycat> OK, remember when I switched from lynx to elinks so I could read people stupid encrypted pastebin shit? So, why do I *still* get SSL errors?
3485[21:51:24] <Toaster_Strudel> I copied the wifi adapter firmware fiel for my manufacturer to the lib\firmware. Debian shows "airplane mode" when I toggle the wifi on/off.. How do I get to the wifi setup?
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3488[21:52:32] <greycat> E.g. replaced-url
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3494[21:55:47] <greycat> E.g. (from #bash) replaced-url
3495[21:55:54] <jmcnaught> greycat: does w3m work?
3496[21:56:14] <greycat> If I have to change browsers a *second* time I will just bash my head against my wall until dead.
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3500[21:57:05] * greycat tries an update/upgrade... nope, just tzdata.
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3502[21:57:41] <Nimms> greycat, missing ca-certificates? Wrong date? I dunno.
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3506[21:58:47] <TomTomTosch> chrome and firefox work for me, wget does not.
3507[21:58:51] <greycat> I don't know either. I don't know anything about this SSL crap and don't really care, except that every idiot is pasting their questions into https sites for some god damned reason.
3508[21:59:35] <Nimms> greycat, try installing ca-certificates.
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3511[22:00:26] <greycat> ca-certificates is already the newest version. ca-certificates set to manually installed. Version is 20130119+deb7u1 (wheezy box).
3512[22:00:29] <jmcnaught> w3m is priority standard so it's usually already installed, and it seems to work with
3513[22:00:38] <jmcnaught> replaced-url
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3515[22:01:06] <greycat> If I change browser *again*, it will work for a month and then stop, just like elinks stopped working.
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3519[22:02:41] * greycat finds replaced-url
3520[22:02:42] <judd> Bug replaced-url
3521[22:03:04] <jelly> oh, it's linked against gnutls for some reason
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3546[22:10:42] <wtiger> Hi!
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3549[22:11:41] <wtiger> archlinux user thinking of changing distro - why should I choose debian over something rpm based, like opensuse or centos?
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3553[22:12:34] <pencilandpaper> Debian's dope. Check it out wtiger . Experience and explore.
3554[22:13:00] <wtiger> pencilandpaper: i already checked it out, downloaded kde live image.. no plasma yet?
3555[22:13:26] <greycat> Not sure "dope" is the word I'd choose here.
3556[22:13:28] <pencilandpaper> Ok cool. Do you mean plasma 5?
3557[22:13:29] <wtiger> but f**k aesthetics, what should I be focusing on?
3558[22:13:49] <wtiger> pencilandpaper: yes
3559[22:13:58] <pencilandpaper> Well ofcourse you want to choose the DE of choice that you want, which I am assuming is KDE right?
3560[22:14:07] <wtiger> certainly
3561[22:14:19] <pencilandpaper> Thats pretty much it wtiger , and then just use the OS however you want to use it.
3562[22:14:47] <pencilandpaper> Debian has its different uses, but it also has its multimedia uses for those that get down that way wtiger..hence Ubuntu.
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3564[22:15:17] <pencilandpaper> So I have the non-free repo's added, since I use debian for desktop use..here at home..and like to play games, watch movies, listen to music, etc.
3565[22:15:28] <wtiger> is there something like AUR for debian?
3566[22:15:35] <greycat> "Has the highest version numbers of everything, supports hardware that won't be released for the next 3 months, has every bell and whistle, is on the bleeding edge of features" ... are all things that DO NOT describe Debian. If those things are important to you, Debian may not be the best fit.
3567[22:15:40] <teraflops> wtiger: debian is not rolling release. Use stable. If you end using sid you better come back to archlinux.
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3572[22:16:11] <wtiger> teraflops: sid?
3573[22:16:22] <pencilandpaper> Well there is the repsitory wtiger , where all software is stored. So yes, but its less community based, and more right from debian.
3574[22:16:24] <teraflops> Sid is unstable branch
3575[22:16:36] <wtiger> ah
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3577[22:17:01] <greycat> The current stable version of Debian was feature-frozen in late 2014, so the software is from that period.
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3579[22:17:12] <pencilandpaper> debian stable will move on its own though wtiger, so no worries and when its time to upgrade to the new stable release you'll know.
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3581[22:17:30] <wtiger> greycat: you mean no bleeding edge software?
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3584[22:17:44] <pencilandpaper> You also have access to backports wtiger to keep you up to date as far as your software, kernels, etc are concerned.
3585[22:17:45] <greycat> Not in stable, and the happiest Debian users are the ones who appreciate this.
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3587[22:18:01] <pencilandpaper> So you aren't stuck with "old software" when it comes down to it.
3588[22:18:01] <greycat> Yes, true, there are some backports.
3589[22:18:04] <wtiger> greycat: think I get your drift
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3592[22:18:17] <pencilandpaper> You are also free to compile your own software wtiger.
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3594[22:18:41] <teraflops> wtiger: also the.package manager is very powerful and it supports partial upgrades unless pacman
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3596[22:19:00] <wtiger> teraflops: you mean unlike pacman?
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3599[22:19:30] <Kobaz> anyone know any other hardware accelerated remote desktop clients, other than remmina
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3601[22:19:38] <pencilandpaper> You also have a insane amount of software packages to choose from wtiger, so you won't go without..thats for sure.
3602[22:20:02] <pencilandpaper> There are packages in the debian repo's that I couldn't find in the arch repo's. I am back on debian. Its more "me".
3603[22:20:18] <wtiger> pencilandpaper: could you give me an example?
3604[22:20:23] <teraflops> wtiger: yeah sorry
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3606[22:20:39] <pencilandpaper> Some of the pidgin plugins that I use wtiger . I could have compiled them but you know.
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3608[22:20:53] <pencilandpaper> I am used to using debian to be honest, and I just prefer it.
3609[22:20:54] <wtiger> i've been using arch for about 2 years now, never has it crashed on me... does debian provide some other sort of 'stability'?
3610[22:21:02] <pencilandpaper> I enjoy its stability too..so.
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3613[22:21:42] <pencilandpaper> No question. I have never had debian crash on me ever..unless I was experimenting with mixing different branches, or using sid.
3614[22:22:10] <greycat> wtiger: stability also refers to the feature set of the software. Installing a security patch shouldn't break your config files or your scripts.
3615[22:22:27] <wtiger> ...
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3619[22:23:27] <wtiger> guess there's no use installing debian on cutting edge hardware - say skylake cpus, right?
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3621[22:24:07] <greycat> The jessie kernel is 3.16.7-* but there are backports of 4.x available, if you can get it installed at all.
3622[22:24:42] <wtiger> why are newer versions called backports?.. funny
3623[22:24:51] <markybob> you really need 4.5 for skylake. you'll need to compile it. backports has 4.3
3624[22:24:56] <greycat> It's a backport from the unstable branch compiled for the stable branch.
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3626[22:25:05] <wtiger> ah ok
3627[22:25:08] <tjcarter> wtiger: It's a developer term in English.
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3629[22:25:44] <Toaster_Strudel> replaced-url
3630[22:25:55] <Toaster_Strudel> :\
3631[22:26:14] * tjcarter wants to backport XFCE 4.12 to stable but that ... is a bit of an undertaking.
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3635[22:26:44] <tjcarter> It's not quite Gnome, but it's still a lot of pieces.
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3637[22:27:01] <pencilandpaper> I don't even like Xfce 4.12. The window snapping works differently than it does on 4.10.
3638[22:27:02] <wtiger> now I can appreciate why debian is ideal for servers..
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3640[22:27:12] <teraflops> wtiger: indeed
3641[22:27:13] <pencilandpaper> Thats why I am so happy that stable is using 4.10.
3642[22:27:29] <tjcarter> I need the zoom feature from 4.12
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3652[22:30:28] <tjcarter> Actually what I really need is an improvement upon that feature, but it's a start :)
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3654[22:31:00] <greycat> Backporting a whole DE properly is often impossible.
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3656[22:31:14] <greycat> Hell, you can't even backport *lyxn*.
3657[22:31:18] <greycat> Lynx either.
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3660[22:32:06] <greycat> (though in my case I tried backporting jessie lynx to wheezy, not unstable to jessie)
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3668[22:34:01] <pencilandpaper> Brb.
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3676[22:39:29] <DexterF> /usr/sbin/grub-probe: warning: Couldn't find physical volume `(null)'. Some modules may be missing from core image.. <- need I worry?
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3684[22:40:49] <unborn> o/
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3688[22:42:34] <unborn> guys what is the best way to use rsync for backup files from server to my home server? I mean to preserve permissions etc.. I am asking this as my home server have 2tb ntfs hdd plugged in but I know ntfs does not support permissions etc..
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3691[22:42:44] <unborn> shall I reformat it to ext4?
3692[22:42:53] <greycat> That would be my choice.
3693[22:43:07] <markybob> unborn: i think you have to to maintain permissions
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3695[22:44:22] <greycat> It would have to be some unix-like file system at least.
3696[22:44:45] <TomTomTosch> or you's have to tar it first.
3697[22:45:02] <markybob> ugh. pretty much ruins rsync for backup
3698[22:45:03] <greycat> Right, which means you can't rsync unless you have a temporary staging area from which you build the tarballs.
3699[22:45:12] <unborn> greycat: yeah mine too, but what I am afraid is when I would like to modify any raw files on that backup (for development or what ever reasons like before restore the files I would modify any html or php) from any linux system and from any linux user.. my laptop is also only linux but account have different username of course.. would that be the problem for me?
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3701[22:45:46] <TomTomTosch> i didn't say he can have everything :3
3702[22:45:47] <greycat> If it's locally mounted on a linux box, you can just edit the files as root, regardless of UIDs.
3703[22:46:15] <greycat> I don't quite understand your notion of editing the backup files, but... there you are.
3704[22:46:43] <unborn> yeah greycat that could be a problem coz if I will edit them as a root, then permissions will change to root right? I mean after file is saved
3705[22:46:52] <greycat> No. The permissions and owner do not change.
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3707[22:47:30] <unborn> greycat: the reason is.. I developed app.. with username and password.. its flat file shopping cart (for example)
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3714[22:48:11] <unborn> I have it on my laptop.. I will upload this to my home server and set up rsync to push it onto real domain.. sync for every 10 minutes
3715[22:48:12] <greycat> You can test it locally -- create a file in /tmp, chown it to a nonexistent user (e.g. chown 1995), edit it as root, and ls -l and you'll see it's still owned by a number
3716[22:48:29] <greycat> The same will be true for your external HD.
3717[22:48:43] <unborn> so that way would be 'reseting' the whole html directory for every 10 minutes..
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3719[22:49:24] <greycat> So it's not really a backup. It's your development system.
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3721[22:49:56] <unborn> greycat: yeah as well dev system but I need to backup whole live server onto it
3722[22:50:06] <unborn> so it will work for me in both ways :)
3723[22:50:08] <greycat> Everything you've said so far should work.
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3726[22:52:08] <unborn> so if I create file as user1 and then perform sync to my backup server.. it will be still under user1 permissions.. so if I edit those files as a root on backup server and then upload them back to normal live server - permissions would be still same?
3727[22:52:24] <markybob> unborn: if you use rsync -a or something yes
3728[22:52:35] <unborn> I guess uploading altered file have to be uploaded with user1 and not root user?
3729[22:52:36] <greycat> You should certainly be using rsync -a for this.
3730[22:52:36] <markybob> unborn: and you formated it to ext4
3731[22:52:54] <greycat> Editing the file will NOT change the owner, as I said multiple times.
3732[22:52:55] <unborn> greycat: yeah thats what I am using..
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3735[22:53:24] <unborn> greycat: I understand.. but how can user2 edit files which belongs to user1
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3737[22:53:36] <unborn> from another system.. this is where I am getting confused
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3739[22:54:06] <greycat> unborn: As I said, you would edit them *as root*. Then the owner doesn't matter.
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3744[22:55:01] <unborn> greycat: sure, and then push them back as user1 via ssh.. and everything should be cool..
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3746[22:55:06] <greycat> right
3747[22:55:10] <unborn> or can I push them as a root?
3748[22:55:15] <unborn> aha possibly not.. heh
3749[22:55:31] <greycat> You would need to do the rsync as root in BOTH directions, so that you can preserve the UIDs.
3750[22:56:04] <greycat> Otherwise, the user as whom rsync runs on the recipient end is who will end up owning the files, and that's not what you want.
3751[22:57:09] <unborn> greycat: but then when I ssh into server as owner of domain then I would not be able to edit files... eh
3752[22:57:29] <greycat> You could turn on root ssh logins. That would be the easiest fix by far, if you can live with that.
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3754[22:58:35] <unborn> greycat: thank you, I already have root on.. all the time, however I want to keep files as user1 and not root.. that is whole issue I have
3755[22:58:36] <unborn> heh
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3757[22:58:46] <greycat> Then there is no issue!
3758[22:58:56] <greycat> Just do everything as root. Both directions of rsync, and the editing.
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3760[22:59:07] <greycat> All the ownerships will be preseved.
3761[22:59:28] <unborn> heh I am going to test this :) thank you very much for your time and advice
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3763[23:00:04] <unborn> heh okay.. just synced one file
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3765[23:00:40] <unborn> as root.. it worked, however root on live server can edit, delete file, but normal user cannot
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3767[23:01:18] <nebg> hello everyone... i have a gentoo machine with i3 installed and gnome display manager... i don't know why by some weeks when i plug my external monitor it exits from the GUI and goes to a tty monitor... any idea how can i debug this and understand what's happening when i plug the monitor ? maybe the last dmesg string could help "[262485.274007] traps: xss-lock[1727] trap int3 ip:7fb96e06d87b sp:7ffc7ff07500 error:0"
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3769[23:02:12] <greycat> nebg: ask the gentoo channel
3770[23:02:13] <Ooze> nebg: reinstall Gentoo
3771[23:02:50] <nebg> greycat, sorry i wrote gentoo.. i mean debian
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3773[23:03:35] <greycat> nebg: what does this command say: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1
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3780[23:05:46] <RippyDippy> hey guys. I've followed the wiki on nvidia to the t. But it still isn't recognizing and running on nouveau. Any ideas?
3781[23:05:54] <nebg> greycat dpkg -l lists the packages installed, in this case i think you are searching for the command libc6, tail -1 i don't know... wait' i'll give the output
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3783[23:06:05] <somiaj> RippyDippy: what nvidia card do you have?
3784[23:06:16] <RippyDippy> somiaj: gtx 970
3785[23:06:24] <nebg> greycat, here you are "ii libc6:i386 2.21-9 i386 GNU C Library: Shared libraries"
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3787[23:06:44] <somiaj> RippyDippy: You will have to use the driver (and maybe kernel) from jessie-backports for that card. It isn't supported by the version in jessie
3788[23:07:01] <nebg> ohh tail -1 only the last line
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3790[23:07:20] <RippyDippy> somiaj: That's what I've done, adding backports to source.list, updated, installed nvidia-driver, and rebooted
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3792[23:07:30] <PTY> I did a stable netinst and I am not able to get TP-LINK TL-WN722N usb wireless adapter working. I tried installing the relevant packages
3793[23:07:33] <somiaj> RippyDippy: did you modify your xorg.conf to tell it to use the nvidia driver?
3794[23:07:43] <RippyDippy> somiaj: I havn't tried that yet
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3796[23:08:19] <somiaj> RippyDippy: you have to explicity tell xorg to use the nvidia driver (it won't detect it). This requires 3-4 lines usually the docs sugegst putting it in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf
3797[23:08:20] <jmcnaught> nebg: there aren't any Debian releases using libc6 2.21. are you using ubuntu, or do you have some messed up stable/outdated testing hybrid?
3798[23:08:26] <somiaj> RippyDippy: I'm surprised you didn't see this instructions on the wiki
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3800[23:08:35] <RippyDippy> somiaj: Where is xorg.conf located again?
3801[23:08:52] <greycat> RippyDippy: does not exist in a typical configuration
3802[23:08:59] <somiaj> RippyDippy: you can either use /etc/X11/xorg.conf or put a config snippiet in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/
3803[23:09:02] <PTY> I don't have an entry for the adapter when I do ifconfig also it doesn't seem to be lighting up
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3805[23:09:17] <RippyDippy> greycat: Thanks!
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3816[23:12:23] <RippyDippy> is Driver "nvidia" all I need? Or do I need to add each device manually
3817[23:13:41] <jmcnaught> RippyDippy: the example on the wiki page probably works: replaced-url
3818[23:14:19] <RippyDippy> jmcnaught: Just found that. thanks
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3839[23:22:09] <brontosaurusrex> what tools to check disk health?
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3842[23:22:40] <brontosaurusrex> I have a slight memory of running something with SMART in their name
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3844[23:22:51] <epsilon> smartmontools
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3846[23:23:04] <brontosaurusrex> epsilon, thanks
3847[23:23:51] <joeli> hi - I installed debian but with no DE or the "standard system utilities". I did this because the installation kept crashing if I selected to install with them. I can boot up into debian terminal....is there some command I can enter to re-install these utilities and a DE?
3848[23:23:58] <brontosaurusrex> another thing: controling fan speed based on cpu temperature..., what to use?
3849[23:24:29] <Brigo> brontosaurusrex, try running tasksel
3850[23:24:37] <Brigo> for selecting DE.
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3852[23:25:14] <brontosaurusrex> Brigo, this is mostly a server, ill keep openbox, any other ideas?
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3854[23:26:10] <Brigo> brontosaurusrex, tasksel will show you a menu from where you can choose what DE you want, i thought that is what you was asking for.
3855[23:26:31] <DexterF> alright, after upgrade to jessie boots even, but won't start X
3856[23:26:40] <jmcnaught> joeli: which installer image did you use? are you installing debian stable/jessie?
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3860[23:27:51] <joeli> jmcnaught: debian-8.3.0-i386-CD-1
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3869[23:30:05] <jmcnaught> joeli: okay, strange. i thought maybe you were using the testing installer or something
3870[23:30:44] <joeli> can I enter some commands in the terminal to install a DE?
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3875[23:32:08] <jmcnaught> joeli: tasksel will bring up a menu like the one in the installer. or you can use apt-get to install the meta-package for the DE that you want
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3878[23:33:07] <joeli> apt-get install xfce ?
3879[23:33:26] <markybob> joeli: you probably want task-xfce-desktop
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3883[23:35:53] <joeli> hmm, just tried that. It appears I'm connected online....hmmm
3884[23:36:09] <nebg> jmcnaught, i'm on a testing...
3885[23:36:12] <joeli> i'm NOT connected online*
3886[23:36:26] <nebg> sorry why ? am i forced to use stable ? the channel id #debian not #debian-stable
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3889[23:36:39] <markybob> joeli: thus the error. that cd-1 doesn't have xfce
3890[23:37:20] <markybob> nebg: per /topic testing/unstable support is in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
3891[23:37:20] <joeli> markybob: but shouldn't it just download from online?
3892[23:37:28] <markybob> joeli: yes. fix your internet.
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3894[23:37:39] <jmcnaught> nebg: well there is a channel dedicated to testing/unstable #debian-next on irc.oftc.net where you'll probably get better support. debian testing is on libc6 2.22 at this point though, so you're probably a bit behind on updates
3895[23:37:48] <joeli> my internet is fine. Is there a command to check connection in debian?
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3898[23:38:04] <markybob> joeli: ping
3899[23:38:25] <jmcnaught> joeli: did the installer tell you that network configuration succeeded? did it ask you about missing firmwares?
3900[23:38:29] <fuan> i would start with ifconfig ; as root
3901[23:38:34] <joeli> I did ping replaced-url
3902[23:38:44] <zykotick9> joeli: <sidenote> if you installed without a working network, your /etc/apt/sources.list won't be in a working state...
3903[23:39:21] <jmcnaught> joeli: an infinite loop of errors or what?
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3905[23:39:23] <DexterF> why was gdm uninstalled durign dist-upgrade? system came up with no X dm
3906[23:39:31] <joeli> is the command "cat /etc/apt/sources.list" to check?
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3908[23:39:37] <brontosaurusrex> joeli, ping -c 1 google.com
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3910[23:39:48] <joeli> ok, i'll try that brontosaurusrex
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3914[23:41:46] <joeli> hmm, I am connected. says 1 packet transmitted, 1 received, 0% packet loss, time 0ms
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3917[23:42:12] <fuan> in that case have a look at your sources list, joeli
3918[23:42:22] <joeli> ok
3919[23:42:58] <markybob> joeli: pastebin it
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3921[23:43:08] <jmcnaught> joeli: here is an example of what your sources.list should look like: replaced-url
3922[23:43:22] <markybob> and seriously 0ms?
3923[23:43:29] <markybob> that's not...possible
3924[23:44:00] <markybob> light can't travel that quickly
3925[23:44:00] <joeli> o, i can see 3 non hashed items in the sources.list file. The first is to my cd-rom, the other 2 are jessie/updates main
3926[23:44:42] <joeli> jmcnaught: that link says "forbidden"
3927[23:44:51] <joeli> webpage rather
3928[23:45:02] <teraflops> heh if you ping localhost and forget to paste the whole output
3929[23:45:12] <jmcnaught> joeli: are you on a corporate network or VPN or something?
3930[23:45:15] <markybob> yeah
3931[23:45:21] <joeli> yes jmcnaught
3932[23:45:44] <joeli> is it possible to share a screenshot?
3933[23:46:09] <jmcnaught> joeli: you probably need to talk to your network administrator
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3938[23:47:29] <joeli> jmcnaught: I can see the list now
3939[23:48:09] <jmcnaught> joeli: you mean the wiki link? make your sources.list look like that
3940[23:48:51] <joeli> hmm, in my sources.list I only have the 2 security sources. I should add the other 4 sources?
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3942[23:49:30] <joeli> for example, i don't have deb replaced-url
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3947[23:50:10] <jmcnaught> joeli: your current sources.list might already have lines that duplicate the ones in the example. the six lines in the example are all you need for a debian stable system
3948[23:50:43] <joeli> ok jmcnaught - I'm going to add those six lines to my sources.list
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3953[23:51:30] <jmcnaught> joeli: you'll probably want to comment out any entries for cdroms. the easiest is simply to duplicate the example exactly
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3958[23:52:55] <joeli> ok jmcnaught
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3961[23:54:00] <joeli> hmm, does the order of each link in the sources.list matter?
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3965[23:55:13] <jmcnaught> joeli: if the same version of a package is available in multiple repos, it uses the first listed one. again i recommend to simply duplicate the example exactly
3966[23:55:31] <joeli> ok jmcnaught
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