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0[00:00:01] <fwuffykat> I used this installed image:
debian-8.3.0-i386-netinst.iso
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1[00:00:28] <jmcnaught> oh i see
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2[00:00:36] <Walex> fwuffykat: do you have an internet
connection on that system?
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5[00:01:05] <fwuffykat> it's definitely the netinstall
image as I was downloading packages during earlier stages of the
installation process
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6[00:01:18] <fwuffykat> Walex: yes
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9[00:02:22] <fwuffykat> i tried running "mount -t iso9660
/dev/sr0 /media/cdrom" but get error that "no such file or
directory"
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14[00:03:11] <fwuffykat> when i try "mount -t iso9660
/dev/sdc1 /cdrom" I get error "no such device"
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16[00:03:37] <fwuffykat> I meant "mount -t iso9660
/dev/sr0 /media/cdrom"*
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20[00:05:24] <fwuffykat> any ideas?
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24[00:06:25] <fanderal> fwuffykat: you said you checked the
netinstall CD... if it was only to see if it booted, the CD may be
corrupted in the install process.
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26[00:06:55] <jmcnaught> fwuffykat: which tasks did you select
to install? if you can go back in the installer, just select the
"standard utilities" task, finish the installation, and
install stuff with tasksel/apt-get after the first boot
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27[00:07:19] <fwuffykat> fanderal: I did burn the image twice.
I could try another disc I suppose....
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29[00:07:28] <fanderal> ok
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31[00:07:54] <fwuffykat> jmcnaught: I can't recall all the
options selcted, but I remember selcted xcfe
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33[00:08:10] <fwuffykat> I will try going back, where do you
suggest I go back to?
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37[00:09:15] <fwuffykat> but before i do, do you know why
i'm getting an error in tty2 when running the command
"mount -t iso9660 /dev/sr0 /media/cdrom". I wonder if that
has anything to do with it?
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42[00:11:26] <jmcnaught> fwuffykat: presumably it's
already mounted. what does "mount" tell you?
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45[00:11:46] <fwuffykat> i tried installing "the GRUB boot
loader" and I get the disk error again
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48[00:12:36] <jmcnaught> fwuffykat: i don't know. i would
guess something wrong with the disk, unless you did something weird
earlier during the install
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49[00:12:40] <pencilandpaper> Why not use a Xfce iso fwuffykat
?
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50[00:12:50] <fwuffykat> there is quite a lot of text output.
What should i be specifically looking for?
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54[00:13:20] <fwuffykat> ah, it says /dev/sr0 on /cdrom type
iso9600
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57[00:14:48] <fwuffykat> pencilandpaper: that is an idea. It
does mean going through this whole process again, but so be it if
there is no solution
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60[00:16:58] <fwuffykat> Oh, maybe this is the issue. The error
message I get begins "/media/cdrom/:Please insert the disc
labeled..." during the failed installation. BUT, if you look at
the output from "mount" in tty2 it says /dev/sr0 is on
/cdrom. It seems the install is expecting it on /media/cdrom when
it's on /cdrom.
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63[00:17:47] <jmcnaught> fwuffykat: did you not configure
network mirrors during the install?
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65[00:17:51] <fwuffykat> is there anyway I can fix this,
because if this is the issue downloading and trying another iso will
probably fail with the same issue
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66[00:18:10] <fwuffykat> yes I did jmcnaught
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69[00:19:12] <fwuffykat> is there anyway I can get the
installation to refer to /cdrom instead of /media/cdrom ?
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73[00:21:59] <fwuffykat> anyone?
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75[00:22:05] <somiaj> fwuffykat: what do you mean? During the
install I'd let the installer put it wherever it wants, but
afterwards you can change the /etc/fstab enteries
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76[00:22:28] <somiaj> fwuffykat: as for automounters, I'm
unsure what you need to change so it automounts in /cdrom instead of
/media/cdrom
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77[00:22:47] <somiaj> you can also just make /cdrom a link that
points to /media/cdrom, then let automounters put it in /media/cdrom
but you can still access it via /cdrom
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81[00:23:54] <fwuffykat> thanks somiaj - how do I make a /cdrom
link that points to /media/cdrom?
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82[00:24:23] <somiaj> fwuffykat: ln -fs /media/cdrom /cdrom
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83[00:24:33] <fwuffykat> ok, i'll try that right now
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84[00:25:36] <fwuffykat> hmm, it says "ln: /cdrom/cdrom:
Read-only file system"
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87[00:27:03] <somiaj> fwuffykat: you might have to remove the
cdrom dir before running that command
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89[00:27:15] <pencilandpaper> I hear you fwuffykat . I went
ahead and installed it using the Xfce iso and it installed just
fine.
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90[00:27:18] <somiaj> fwuffykat: also is your root fs mounted
read-only? You can't put links on readonly file systems.
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91[00:27:49] <somiaj> fwuffykat: I missed your original issue,
why do you want the /cdrom to be mounted in there and are you in the
installer or on an installed system?
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92[00:27:55] <pencilandpaper> I do it without a network setup,
and then go ahead and manually install the drivers for wifi..since I
already have them. You have a ethernet connection..you should have
no problems.
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93[00:28:19] <somiaj> or in the future use the firmware
installer
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94[00:28:32] <npo> ^
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95[00:28:40] <pencilandpaper> Thats a good idea as well somiaj
.
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96[00:28:41] <npo> fw installer worked well for me
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98[00:28:50] <pencilandpaper> My firmware installer is Puppy
Linux. :)
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100[00:29:12] <somiaj> I would use the one produced by debian
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101[00:29:12] <jmcnaught> somiaj: fwuffykat says that they
successfully selected a network mirror and were downloading packages
earlier in the installer, so either they didn't understand what
was on their screen, or they have some messed up installer
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102[00:29:33] <pencilandpaper> Thats cool somiaj . We all do
what we do.
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104[00:29:52] <somiaj> jmcnaught: ahh, so there are other
problems. Should have realized this was an X-Y problem
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114[00:32:17] <fwuffykat2> hi - I got disconnected. I may have
missed any messages directed to me in the last 2min
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115[00:32:30] <pencilandpaper> Wb fwuffykat2 .
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118[00:34:14] <fwuffykat2> ..this installation is such a
headache I think I might just try installing another image. Is there
a specific iso you can suggest that minimises risks during
installation process. Note that the comuter i wish to install on is
connected to the internet
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120[00:34:40] <npo> fwuffykat2 which image are you currently
using?
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121[00:34:46] <fwuffykat2> I'll also try a fresh
installation DVD
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123[00:35:15] <somiaj> !tell fwuffykat2 about firmware installer
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124[00:35:21] <fwuffykat2> I was using :
debian-8.3.0-i386-netinst.iso
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125[00:35:36] <npo> fwuffykat2: ok, use either the firmware
installer or the DVD installer
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127[00:35:42] <somiaj> fwuffykat2: the bot should have sent you
a link to a firmware installer that is just like that installer but
includes the non-free firmware required for many wifi cards
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128[00:36:09] <somiaj> fwuffykat2: also any reason you are using
32bit and not 64bit (most modern hardware 64 bit + multiarch is more
common -- not required just more common)
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129[00:36:35] <fwuffykat2> my laptop is quite
old....doesn't have wifi. I'm using lan. Is the non-free
version still preferred?
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130[00:36:42] <pencilandpaper> fwuffykat2, I can toss you a
download link to the iso that I used to install debian.
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131[00:37:01] <jmcnaught> fwuffykat2: did the installer tell you
that network configuration succeeded?
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132[00:37:02] <npo> fwuffykat2: it depends on what problems
youre having with the install
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134[00:37:09] <fwuffykat2> somiaj: this is an old laptop
I'm using. Pentium 4 with about 1.25gb of ram.
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135[00:37:18] <fwuffykat2> from 2002/2003
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136[00:37:25] <pencilandpaper> It depends on what you want to do
with your laptop fwuffykat2 . If you want multimedia capabilities
you are going to want to add the non-free repo's.
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137[00:37:32] <npo> fwuffykat2: i have something similar, and
the firmware installer worked for me
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138[00:38:06] <jmcnaught> fwuffykat2: also after the
"Installing base packages" part finished, there's a
"Configure the package manager" section. What did you
configure there?
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139[00:38:25] <somiaj> fwuffykat2: that's fine, if you have
a specific reason for 32bit, and that sounds reasonable. My comment
was more in general for most situations I see these days.
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140[00:38:36] <fwuffykat2> pencilandpaper: I'm primarily
setting it up for someone who will probably use it for just surfing
the web and office
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141[00:38:58] <jmcnaught> fwuffykat2: if the network
configuration fails, or if you do not configure a mirror, then it
makes sense that the installer won't be able to find packages
and asks for a disc to be inserted
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142[00:39:09] <pencilandpaper> Ok fwuffykat2 ..I would add them
regardless just in case they want to do something else while
working. Its up to you though.
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143[00:39:35] <fwuffykat2> jmcnaught: I can't recall what
was said during the installation process....so many steps. I think
it must have given that applications were downloading.
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146[00:41:05] <fwuffykat2> jmcnaught: that's a very good
point and that was what I assumed. I was surprised why it asked for
the dvd.
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147[00:41:48] <fwuffykat2> it's especially odd given that
files were definitely being downloading during the application
process
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148[00:42:00] <fwuffykat2> application/installation*
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150[00:42:06] <jmcnaught> fwuffykat2: take notes if you
can't remember. pay attention to messages on the screen. the
netinst image has some base packages on the image, those are
installed in the "Installing base packages" part. Then it
asks you to configure a network mirror to download the rest.
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151[00:42:19] <disconnected> hello, I had got debian wheezy with
kernel 3.2 - and want to install docker on it
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152[00:42:29] <disconnected> I've updated kernel to 3.16,
made all steps from docker install site
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153[00:42:43] <disconnected> but I stillc an't find
docker-engine in apt-cache policy, anyone had similar problem? :(
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154[00:43:03] <jmcnaught> disconnected: don't you think
starting with Jessie for a new server would be a better choice than
starting with oldstable?
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155[00:43:12] <disconnected> jmcnaught: that's not a new
server.
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157[00:43:42] <disconnected> jmcnaught: that's the point :p
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158[00:43:43] <jmcnaught> disconnected: docker is packaged for
jessie in jessie-backports with the name docker.io
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160[00:44:21] <jmcnaught> disconnected: if you're having
problems with the packages in docker's third party repo
it's probably better to ask them :)
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162[00:45:54] <disconnected> jmcnaught: I've asked on their
channel as well :).
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163[00:46:37] <jmcnaught> disconnected: my advice is deploying
new services to a wheezy server just means more work and potential
complications for the jessie upgrade you'll inevitably need to
do
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165[00:48:53] <fwuffykat2> jmcnaught: that's a fair point.
I have downloaded this iso
"debian-live-8.3.0-i386-xfce-desktop.iso". I'll
attempt installation with it.
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170[00:49:50] <jmcnaught> fwuffykat2: didn't we tell you
yesterday that live images aren't very good for installing? use
an installer image to install, not a live image
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173[00:50:24] <pencilandpaper> disconnected, the name of the
package is docker, not docker-engine.
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176[00:50:49] <pencilandpaper>
replaced-url
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178[00:51:29] <disconnected> pencilandpaper: I meant Docker, the
container management software, not a system tray for kde3/gnome2
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180[00:52:52] <pencilandpaper> O ok, my fault disconnected . I
didn't see that even show up anywhere.
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181[00:53:00] <disconnected> Btw why are there dist upgrades? I
mean, why can't upgrades be ... handled just by upgrade?
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182[00:53:35] <jmcnaught> disconnected: with Debian, the point
of upgrading to the next major release is to get new versions of all
the software included. Debian Stable releases stick to the same
versions for everything, and every two years there's a new
major release that upgrades everything all at once
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183[00:53:53] <markybob> disconnected: you can man apt-get to
see the difference. one just upgrade. one removes/adds packages to
jump to a different release
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184[00:54:14] <pencilandpaper> Each command serves a different
purpose. One deals with software upgrades and the other with system
wide upgrades.
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185[00:54:21] <jmcnaught> disconnected: the upgrades that happen
for a stable release are security and bug fixes, the versions stay
the same (with some exceptions)
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186[00:55:13] <disconnected> wouldn't it be better if
repositories serve all versions of particular software?
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187[00:55:29] <markybob> disconnected: no
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188[00:56:49] <jmcnaught> disconnected: things would become
unpredictable and difficult to manage that way. The packages in a
Debian Stable release have been extensively tested and bug fixed,
and are known to work well. This way you get a reliable system with
no surprises when applying security updates
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195[01:00:00] <pencilandpaper> Package docker.io isn't in
wheezy repo's or in wheezy-backports disconnected .
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196[01:00:11] <jelly> ,v docker.io
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197[01:00:13] <judd> Package: docker.io on amd64 --
jessie-backports: 1.6.2~dfsg1-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.8.3~ds1-2; sid:
1.8.3~ds1-2
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198[01:01:00] <disconnected> jmcnaught: you could still have
labels assigned to proper versions of particular softwares
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199[01:01:03] <disconnected> (so like dist names)
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201[01:01:18] <disconnected> and call it "stable
versions"
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203[01:01:25] <pencilandpaper> I do see python-docker though
disconnected .
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204[01:01:27] <jmcnaught> disconnected: i suppose, but that
doesn't change the fact that this is not how Debian works
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206[01:01:39] <pencilandpaper> There it is..nice.
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208[01:02:01] <markybob> disconnected: no. then if you have
stable and stretch becomes stable it'll break everything
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209[01:02:22] <disconnected> markybob: stretch?
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211[01:02:31] <markybob> disconnected: current testing
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212[01:02:40] <disconnected> pencilandpaper: afair python-docker
is a lib in python to talk with docker api
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213[01:02:47] <disconnected> pencilandpaper: anyway, thanks for
searching :)
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217[01:03:24] <pencilandpaper> Yeah, I saw that..I thought that
maybe it would pull in your package though, but if its in the
jessie-backports bro..you are going to have to figure it all out.
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218[01:03:35] <pencilandpaper> I don't know if you can
compile it for wheezy or not.
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219[01:03:39] <pencilandpaper> Its a thought.
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221[01:03:57] <disconnected> I'll just set up another vps I
guess
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227[01:05:58] <jmcnaught> disconnected: upgrading from wheezy to
jessie is not very difficult, it's really well documented in
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228[01:06:14] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell disconnected -about
wheezy->jessie
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235[01:09:11] <disconnected> jmcnaught: but that might break
something that is already working, right?:p
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you've mixed stuff
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notes and following the instructions there are your best bet for not
breaking anything. if you have installed a bunch of third-party
software, there could be complications
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285[01:27:36] <awal1> I have several stuff connected via usb
ports. Looking what I can do for be able to create a
command/keyboard shortcut/menu entry for disable/enable usb ports
when convenient (battery saving related). Any clue?
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325[01:53:30] <esotericnonsense> are general linux-related
sysadmin questions permitted here? i'm looking for a secure way
to share files across linux based systems and coming up short
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327[01:54:19] <esotericnonsense> nfs looks like it's either
insecure or hellish to set up, samba seems like a compromise to
allow windows clients, sshfs feels like something i'd have to
write a ton of helper scripts around
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328[01:54:35] <ryouma> scripts?
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329[01:55:14] <esotericnonsense> ryouma: i don't know how
sshfs works under the hood and whether it would deal with timeouts
well
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331[01:55:36] <esotericnonsense> will it reconnect if a router
went down for a decent period of time, etc
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335[01:56:19] <esotericnonsense> if i can solve that issue I
think sshfs is ideal (the ssh protocol seems like the most secure
and simple of the options available for transferring encrypted data
from X to Y)
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337[01:56:35] <karlpinc> esotericnonsense: Setup a vpn
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338[01:57:03] <esotericnonsense> karlpinc: that's vaguely
been my thought :)
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340[01:58:31] <esotericnonsense> something like setting up a VPN
with all the machines that are allowed to access the files, and then
just use unauthenticated nfs
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349[02:00:51] <esotericnonsense> another option is for me to
just buy a decent router thus reducing how much I care about local
network traffic being cleartext (i don't like my ISP provided
router, it misbehaves)
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350[02:01:03] <esotericnonsense> think it might be time to bite
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351[02:01:18] <abrotman> esotericnonsense: This channel is for
Debian support
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352[02:01:26] <esotericnonsense> abrotman: yes, sorry
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361[02:04:34] <transhuman_> found bug in debian live (latest)
fails to set the boot flag in graphical install mode and in manual
mode have to manually change the boot flag
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365[02:06:01] <esotericnonsense> bezaban: ? #debian-offtopic
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366[02:06:08] <bezaban> esotericnonsense: yes please
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368[02:06:45] <Aussie_matt> hi all: I'm trying to backup
the original partitions on my laptop before I attempt install: So
I've booted the dvd image from usb, then used ctrl-alt-f2, to
get to the terminal. I have an external usb hdd connected, but
I'm having trouble mounting it, can someone please help? TIA
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369[02:07:08] <esotericnonsense> Aussie_matt: can you see it in
blkid or lsblk
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371[02:07:41] <Aussie_matt> esotericnonsense: yes, so it's
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372[02:07:55] <Aussie_matt> I then made /tmp/temphdd
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373[02:08:22] <Aussie_matt> and tried 'mount /dev/sda1
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410[02:29:10] <Aussie_matt> if i try 'mount -t ntfs
/dev/sda1 /media/tmphdd ' I get no such device, yet /dev/sda1
is definately there. whats next?
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wifi.mac-address-randomization <--- is the line alone enough or
should I specify =true, =enabled or what?
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450[02:50:43] <wpgriggs> hey guys, I followed the wiki for
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451[02:50:51] <wpgriggs> any idea what could cause this?
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466[02:59:25] <okee> Is there a cleaner way to fix unmet
dependencies, as opposed to just deleting newer files?
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467[03:00:31] <okee> The dependency problem appears to be
interfering with my ability to upgrade Keepass2.
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470[03:02:40] <jmcnaught> okee: did you add a new repo for
keepass2? please "/msg dpkg bat" and provide that info
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472[03:03:32] <okee> jmcnaught> No, I did not add a new repo
for keepass2, and I am running exact same version of keepass2 that
was used in Wheezy.
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476[03:04:49] <okee> jmcnaught> The message from dpkg is
"not sure, is it larger than a bread box?"
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477[03:05:29] <jmcnaught> okee: "/msg dpkg bat" as in
flying rat, short for basic apt troubleshooting
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479[03:06:41] <okee> jmcnaught> dpkg says "i
haven't a clue, okee"
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481[03:06:55] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell okee about bat
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482[03:07:13] <npo> dpkg: tell npo about bat
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483[03:07:27] <npo> nvm
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484[03:07:29] <jmcnaught> npo: the topic has examples of how to
message the bot
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485[03:07:38] <npo> i know i was just goofing
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486[03:07:45] <npo> i thought it would give me different info
anyways
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496[03:11:03] <okee> This is the results of apt-cache policy
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508[03:14:26] <jmcnaught> okee: that's a lot of third party
repositories. are you still working on the output of "apt-cache
policy keepass2" ?
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511[03:15:46] <zaileion> I am trying to install the AMD drivers
from the website by using the --buildpkg switch. I keep getting an
error stating something like /home/user/... not found. I cannot get
it to work no matter what i do. does anyone here have any knowledge
in the area?
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513[03:16:38] <npo> zaileion: im sure a few people could help
you out, but we would need a little more information than that...
maybe some outputs, and the exact error message
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514[03:16:40] <okee> jmcnaught> Here it is the apt-cache
policy for Keepass2
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515[03:16:51] <npo> zaileion: but use a paste website to paste
the information; dont post directly to the channel
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516[03:16:56] <jmcnaught> okee: my advice, and this is what i do
on my computer, is to only use Debian repos. There are more than
40,000 packages in Debian, plenty of tools that do all sorts of
computing tasks. Adding third-party repos like have done can easily
break your system, often for no good reason
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517[03:17:08] <zaileion> ok. let me run the script and ill get
right back.
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519[03:17:23] <okee> jmcnaught> Keepass2 is in the Debian
repos.
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521[03:18:09] <jmcnaught> okee: then it's probably a
conflict with one of the dependencies listed in your first two
pastes, check the policy on those too. anyways, good luck.
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524[03:18:28] <TomTomTosch> okee, as a side note, do you get
errors while updating? you might want to pin your chrome repo to
amd64, as support for i386 has been discontinued by google. you
would have to add [arch=amd64] after the 'deb' in the
chrome line. also, what jmcnaught said. maybe you should consider
using chromium from the debian repo.
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525[03:18:32] <okee> jmcnaught> At this point downgrading one
package seems like a reasonable option, since several other packages
require a downgrade.
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527[03:19:19] <okee> TomTomTosch> I have Chromium installed
from the repos.
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528[03:20:11] <jmcnaught> okee: the reasonable thing to do is to
remove your third party repos, and clean up your system. add them
back one at a time maybe, to try and narrow down which one is
causing your problems. my guess is dotdebs
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532[03:21:35] <TomTomTosch> okee, the chrome source is still
active though. maybe not in your sources.list but in
/etc/apt/sources.list.d/
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534[03:22:06] <jmcnaught> okee: you may not realize, but an
awful lot of works goes into making sure all the packages in the
debian repos get along and don't have problems like the one
you're experiencing. any one of the third party repos you have
added could be causing the problems.
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537[03:23:11] <zaileion> here is a pastbin of the output
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538[03:23:14] <zaileion>
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541[03:24:58] <jmcnaught> zaileion: why not use the Debian
packages? There are instructions here:
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543[03:26:01] <okee> TomTomTosch> So you recommend removing
everything from /etc/apt/sources.list.d/? Currently there is
google-chrome.list, google-chrome.list.save, google-talkplugin.list,
google-talkpluin.list.save, wuala.list, wuala.list.save
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544[03:26:28] <zaileion> yep. i know all that. i know how to
remove them when i update the kernel and such. There has to be a way
to make this happen. the fglrx drivers dont work very well and its a
dual GPU and crossfire doesnt work with fglrx drivers.
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547[03:27:34] <zaileion> ive read
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550[03:27:47] <TomTomTosch> okee, i recommend removing whatever
you don't need. afterwards you can find the offending packages
using aptitude search '~o'
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554[03:28:40] <zaileion> i wouldnt be here bothering actual
people if i have not exhausted every other resource i could possibly
find.
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555[03:28:46] <okee> TomTomTosch> I already found the one
offending package, which was referenced during an attempted upgrade
of Keepass2
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559[03:29:52] <zaileion> okee: did you try the fix broken
packages option in synaptic?
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560[03:30:03] <okee> TomTomTosch> Although a separate issue,
does Google Chrome and Google Talk Plugin require anything in
/etc/apt/sources.list.d/ ??
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562[03:31:30] <TomTomTosch> okee, if you want them updated, yes.
but removing all third party software is a good idea.
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568[03:33:27] <zaileion> i just cannot believe that amd and
Debian have not fixed this yet. or whoever... ive been trying for
months now. the --listpkg says all Debian releases are compatible
but none of them work...
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570[03:34:34] <TomTomTosch> okee, just an example,
"libmono-system-web2.0-cil : Depends: mono-runtime (<
2.10.8.2)" means this package is not from jessie. so maybe from
one of the third-party packages you have installed.
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571[03:34:45] <zaileion>
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572[03:34:47] <okee> zaileion> How would I fix this with
apt-get, if I wasn't using synaptic?
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575[03:35:16] <jmcnaught> zaileion: i don't think
proprietary drivers are Debian's priority. the fglrx drivers
are provided for people who need them so they don't mess up
their systems with the AMD installer
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577[03:36:10] <TomTomTosch> okee, apt-get -f install. but that
might not bring you very far.
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579[03:36:56] <zaileion> you can try sudo apt-get update
&& sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
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581[03:37:19] <TomTomTosch> okee, looks like you have packages
from wheezy installed at some point?
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582[03:37:35] <zaileion> jmcnaught: yeah. but the fglrx drivers
are inferior.
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584[03:38:29] <jmcnaught> zaileion: inferior to what,
aren't they just Debian packaged versions of the drivers from
the AMD website?
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586[03:38:39] <okee> TomTomTosch> Should I remove everything
from /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ I thought Google Talk Plugin was
supposed to be in there by default?
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587[03:38:48] <jmcnaught> zaileion: do you have them confused
with the radeon drivers?
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589[03:39:31] <TomTomTosch> okee, the directory is empty by
default. you would also have to remove the packages installed from
there.
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590[03:40:02] <okee> TomtomTosch> Comments in the file
indicate Google-Talk-Plugin is in there by default.
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592[03:40:31] <zaileion> im trying to install the latest amd
crimson drivers in Debain. i can use the regualr installer but the
frame rates are much lower. the flgrx drivers from the debain repo
are even less. if i install Ubuntu and use the --buildpkg switch
with the crimson drivers the frame rates are about 30% higher.
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595[03:42:15] <zaileion> so if i do a sudo sh
amd-driver-installer-15.302-x86.x86_64.run it works but i have lower
frame rates. if i install fglrx from the debian repo the frame rates
are even lower. if i install ubuntu and do a sudo sh
amd-driver-installer-15.302-x86.x86_64.run --buildpkg Ubuntu/trusty
the frame rates are way higher.
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597[03:42:58] <okee> ok, I got it fixed. This problem has been
resolved.
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598[03:43:11] <zaileion> plus if i do a sudo sh
amd-driver-installer-15.302-x86.x86_64.run --listpkg it says debian
is compatible as shown ehre
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601[03:43:49] <zaileion> okee: well done!
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604[03:45:35] <TomTomTosch> okee, great. what did you do? ;D
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609[03:46:59] <r6ku> zaileion:
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612[03:48:09] <jmcnaught> not to mention jessie-backports seems
to have the same version of the AMD drivers as on the AMD website
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614[03:48:14] <TomTomTosch> heh, that sounds so harsh x)
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615[03:48:29] <zaileion> im ok with linux but arch is still a
bit over my head. its like slackware.
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616[03:48:40] <zaileion> thanks for the pointer tho. and all the
help...
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618[03:49:11] <okee> TomTomTosch> I ran synaptic, then
autoremove, apt-get upgrade, and apt-get update. The following
errors were displayed after updating
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619[03:49:20] <zaileion> how do i get the jessie-backport
version?
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620[03:49:58] <r6ku> zaileion:
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621[03:50:05] <jmcnaught> zaileion: the debian packages are
what's supported here. i seriously doubt there's any
difference between them and what's on the website (besides the
install method) considering it's closed source binary code.
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622[03:51:06] <TomTomTosch> okee, there is a bit you would have
to do. iceweasel has been removed from mozilla.debian.net. you
should probably remove that.
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623[03:51:10] <zaileion> so how do i download them from the link
you provided?
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625[03:51:25] <r6ku> zaileion: read the instructions
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626[03:51:37] <zaileion> lol
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627[03:51:48] <TomTomTosch> okee, if you want to remove chrome
from your sources i would advice to remove the chrome package too.
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628[03:52:43] <okee> TomTomTosch> What version of Iceweasel
is in the repos? i am running version 44.02, which is very recent.
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631[03:52:57] <TomTomTosch> okee, your dotdeb.org repo seems to
be broken too.
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632[03:53:06] <zaileion> so i add deb
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633[03:53:25] <TomTomTosch> okee, the most recent one is firefox
45 in jessie-backports from moxilla.debian.net
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634[03:53:39] <jmcnaught> zaileion: you'll need contrib and
non-free too
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635[03:54:41] <zaileion> so now how do i install the fglrs
drivers from the jessie-backport and not the other repos my system
has?\
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636[03:55:24] <TomTomTosch> okee, mozilla.debian.net that is.
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637[03:56:07] <jmcnaught> zaileion:
replaced-url
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638[03:56:14] <zaileion> so i select origin from within synaptic
and install the flgrx drivers
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639[03:56:26] <zaileion> nice. thx!
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640[03:57:40] <okee> TomTomTosch> So we are now once again
calling Iceweasel Firefox?
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641[03:57:45] <npo> have any of you guys had any experience with
ipv6/freenet6 under debian?
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643[03:58:35] <TomTomTosch> okee, we are. :)
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644[03:58:47] <dvs> TomTomTosch, make up your mind!
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645[03:59:05] <okee> Firefox is suffering from an identity
crisis :0(
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646[03:59:10] * TomTomTosch makes up his mind and goes back to
iceweasel
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647[03:59:19] <TomTomTosch> or maybe firefox. hmm...
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651[04:00:09] <dvs> grrrr
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653[04:00:39] <naptastic> I did `apt-get install nvidia-driver`,
rebooted, and now I only get the console, no graphics...
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654[04:00:43] <naptastic> Where do I start looking?
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658[04:01:25] <jmcnaught> naptastic: maybe you forgot the
configuration part of the instructions?
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664[04:02:44] <naptastic> jmcnaught, Thanks, attempting now.
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676[04:08:20] <okee> TomTomTosch> Is this Google Error the
result of something in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ ?? I don't see
anything in sources.list that would cause this problem. This error
showed up after updating.
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677[04:10:11] <NotJimCarrey> anyone have experience with
dgamelaunch? trying to get it to work with unnethack
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682[04:11:16] <TomTomTosch> okee, it's the google chrome
source in sources.list.d/. google does not support the i386 chrome
anymore. you can fix this by removing chrome and the source or
appending [arch=amd64] to "dep"
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683[04:11:33] <dvs> okee, you have both ftp.de.debian.org and
http.debian.net getting things for backports?
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685[04:12:15] <okee> dvs> But isn't this because Google
doesn't pull it from sources.list?
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686[04:12:40] <okee> Google-talk-plugin by default is usually in
/etc/apt/sources.list.d/
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689[04:13:31] <TomTomTosch> that's where google puts it for
you.
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692[04:14:30] <dvs> okee, if Google put one source there and you
have another source in your sources.list, it's still redundant.
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695[04:15:08] <okee> dvs> I don't recall having another
source in sources.list designate for Google, so I am not following
you.
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699[04:17:08] <okee> TomTomTosch> I don't see anything
wrong with /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ for Google
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701[04:17:35] <dvs> okee: W: Failed to fetch
replaced-url
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702[04:17:35] <dvs> W: Failed to fetch
replaced-url
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704[04:17:57] <TomTomTosch> okee, now it's fine.
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714[04:24:08] <okee> Is
replaced-url
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717[04:25:41] <dvs> !http.debian.net
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718[04:25:41] <dpkg> To have <APT> automatically select a
mirror close to you, use the Geo-IP redirector in your sources.list
"deb
replaced-url
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725[04:30:01] <okee> dvs> I think the non-free requires the
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727[04:30:23] <dvs> okee, you're wrong. They both have main
and non-fre
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728[04:30:24] <dvs> e
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734[04:32:07] <okee> dvs> I only have one of each, so do you
see something wrong with thie config file?
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739[04:32:50] <TomTomTosch> okee, is that your whole
sources.list?
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740[04:33:02] <dvs> okee, You only need one of them with
"main contrib non-free"
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741[04:33:36] <markybob> okee that's awful
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743[04:34:13] <okee> TomTomTosch> This is my whole
sources.list
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744[04:34:19] <okee> markybob> What is awful?
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745[04:34:46] <markybob> okee: you didn't have any main,
just backports
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746[04:35:12] <dvs> markybob, that wasn't the whole list
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747[04:35:14] <markybob> but if you're just gonna keep
giving half info i'm out
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748[04:35:26] <okee> markybob> The first first line is main
deb
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750[04:35:41] <TomTomTosch> okee, you have a lot of stuff
multiple times.
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751[04:35:52] <dvs> TomTomTosch, that's what I'm
saying
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752[04:35:58] <okee> TomTomTosch> Which lines are multiple?
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754[04:37:00] <TomTomTosch> okee, you use multiple mirror for
the same thing, like dvs pointed out.
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755[04:37:22] <TomTomTosch> s/mirror/mirrors/
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756[04:37:58] <TomTomTosch> okee, like deb
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761[04:38:51] <TomTomTosch> and all that third party stuff makes
me itchy D:
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763[04:39:23] <jmcnaught> !dotdeb alternatives
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764[04:39:23] <dpkg> Software from <dotdeb> historically
had a number of packaging or functional issues. If you require newer
versions than what <stable> offers, a lot of the packages now
have updates in backports.debian.org, ask me about <bdo>. To
remove Dotdeb packages: "aptitude purge
'~Vdotdeb'".
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765[04:39:25] <dvs> okee, lines 26 and 27 is redundant for line
2 if you put "main contrib non-free" at the end of line 2.
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768[04:40:05] <tacomaster> I am trying to install debian 8.3.0
from a cd because I only have a cd drive. I am looking for the
package I need to install nonfree-firmware. I dont mind using dpkg I
just need to find the right file and make sure its the only one i
need because I will not have internet with out it. I only have wifi
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771[04:40:50] <dvs> !tell tacomaster about firmware iso
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772[04:41:02] <markybob> tacomaster: easiest method
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773[04:41:44] <awal1> many new debian users have a headache with
the sources file ;) I had same problem when I started using debian;
Something may be done for reverse this situation and make it easier
for new comers...
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774[04:42:00] <tacomaster> dvs: ty ty ty :D
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775[04:42:05] <awal1> dont know what...
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776[04:42:12] <dvs> pas de probleme
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777[04:42:34] <okee> dvs> Ok, I see it. How is this?
replaced-url
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782[04:43:42] <markybob> okee: still no. 12 and 13.
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783[04:44:02] <dvs> okee, add "contrib non-free" to
the end of line 4 and remove line 28
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784[04:44:06] <tacomaster> dvs: with this iso do i still need to
activate the non-free repo in apt-get to get updates to the
firmware?
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785[04:44:33] <dvs> tacomaster, This includes the firmware you
need to do that install.
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787[04:45:51] <dvs> okee, oh yes, markybob is right. lines 12
and 13 retrieve almost the same thing.
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791[04:46:47] <okee> dvs> Maybe I am a bit slow, but contrib
already seems to be in line 4, and I don't have a line 28
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793[04:47:35] <okee> markybob> Are you referring to the lines
for Mozilla?
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794[04:48:12] <TomTomTosch> okee, why do you think you need line
9 and 10?
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795[04:48:49] <TomTomTosch> okee, both have deb debian-mirror
main
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796[04:48:49] <dvs> okee, in the previous paste, the lines where
at lines 4 and 28. In this paste, lines 9 and 10 do almost the same
thing. and lines 1 and 25 are getting the same repo on different
servers
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797[04:48:50] <markybob> okee: add "contrib non-free"
to lines 1 and 2 now. remove line 9.
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799[04:50:07] <dvs> and delete line25
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800[04:50:12] <markybob> right
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801[04:50:38] <awal1> okee, okay, made it easy for you ; check
replaced-url
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806[04:52:44] <awal1> okee, line 1 to 8 are are official debian
repositories. other ones are at your own "risk" :)
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807[04:53:42] <okee> markybob> How is this
replaced-url
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808[04:53:54] <okee> awal1> I will take a look at your paste.
Thanks for your help.
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810[04:54:14] <markybob> okee: yeah, what awal1 pasted as pretty
perfect. copy that
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812[04:54:47] <markybob> "pretty perfect" because the
third party stuff is icky. but whatever.
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814[04:55:05] * dvs wonders why awal1 removed the deb-src lines
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815[04:55:24] <markybob> dvs: i'm sure he'll not use
it if he can't figure out how to set his sources.list
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817[04:55:35] <awal1> ^
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818[04:55:57] <jmcnaught> awal1's example still has a line
19 which adds jessie non-free a second time (it's in line 1
too)
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820[04:56:27] <markybob> ah, didn't notice that
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821[04:56:32] <markybob> good to have to many eyes :)
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822[04:56:43] <markybob> so*
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823[04:56:45] <dvs> !pal markybob
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824[04:56:45] * dpkg points at markybob and laughs hysterically
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825[04:56:46] <awal1> thats his own repos
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826[04:57:04] <awal1> oh, hhehehe right
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827[04:57:14] <awal1> okee, remove line 19 :D
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828[04:57:17] <locrian9> jmcnaught: Can I test a personal
message to you using irssi?
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829[04:57:25] <TomTomTosch> such a spoilsport x)
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831[04:58:14] <jmcnaught> locrian9: i guess so. you can also msg
the dpkg bot (see the topic for examples)
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832[04:58:43] <okee> awal1> What is wrong with eb
replaced-url
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833[04:58:43] <okee> ??
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836[04:59:55] <locrian9> jmcnaught: Thanks, that worked.
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837[05:00:02] <jmcnaught> locrian9: cheers
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842[05:03:21] <awal1> okee, I have nothing to do so I made a
last/good one for you . check and copy it; sounds perfect
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844[05:03:59] <markybob> +1
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846[05:04:21] <okee> awal1> Thanks. Much appreciated.
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847[05:04:22] <dvs> awal1, you have too many spaces. ;-)
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849[05:04:34] <markybob> heh
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850[05:04:34] <awal1> dvs, :)
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852[05:05:03] <awal1> dvs, me I prefer have spaces ; most
clean/clear
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860[05:07:28] <awal1> okee, if you prefer, remove empty
lines/spaces...
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861[05:07:29] <botnut> hi all - can anyone provide guideance on
setting up linpack HPL.dat for cluster benchmarking under linux? or
if there is another tool that i should use to test the clusters
GFLOPS that would be great... thoughts?
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874[05:13:50] <mrpelican> So I've installed debian with an
encrypted partition. I went to reboot, and now it's taking
forever to boot with "(1 of 2) A start job is running for
dev*-stuff"
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875[05:14:12] <mrpelican> Then it gets by that, scrolls some
crap quickly
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878[05:14:26] <mrpelican> and then gives a message about logging
in as root for maintenance
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880[05:16:41] <mrpelican> I took a video of the bootup
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882[05:16:53] <mrpelican> "Dependency failed for
Cryptography Setup for storage."
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886[05:19:14] <okee> awal1> I didn't find an entry for
jessie main
replaced-url
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889[05:19:41] <dvs> okee, line 3
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891[05:20:27] <okee> dvs> That says contrib and non-free Are
they one and the same?
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892[05:20:39] <dvs> okee, and main
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894[05:20:43] <markybob> okee: it says "main contrib
non-free"
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895[05:20:57] <okee> markybob> ok. Thanks for the
clarification.
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896[05:22:37] <mrpelican> Hello
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898[05:23:45] <jmcnaught> mrpelican: are you able to provide
more info, like errors you get? how did you install debian with
encryption, did you use the guided partitioning method?
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899[05:23:58] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, Yes. (by the way, it's
Cluelessperson )
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901[05:24:53] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, "Dependency failed for
Cryptography Setup for storage"
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903[05:25:12] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, I have an encrypted
internal drive named "storage"
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906[05:26:01] <jmcnaught> mrpelican: is your rootfs on the
encrypted volume? do you have a separate /boot partition?
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907[05:26:57] <mrpelican> There are two SSDs. A primary system
SSD of 256GB, and a storage SSD of 960GB, both encrypted with LUKS
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908[05:27:11] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, yes, rootfs is on the
encrypted volume, along with swap
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910[05:28:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1646
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911[05:28:25] <okee> Isn't firefox still required in the
sources.list? Or is the latest automatically in the repos?
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913[05:28:59] <mrpelican> jmcnaught,
replaced-url
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914[05:29:08] <jmcnaught> okee: the latest ESR is in jessie, but
it's still called iceweasel. the change will probably happen
relatively soon
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915[05:29:37] <okee> jmcnaught> So I no longer need Firefox
in the sources.list to get the latest?
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916[05:30:02] <jmcnaught> mrpelican: and so what happens when
you enter the passphrase to unlock the encrypted volume?
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917[05:30:08] <TomTomTosch> okee,
replaced-url
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919[05:30:55] <TomTomTosch> okee, for version you select esr45
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920[05:31:02] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, it says
/dev/mapper/cluelessperson--vg-root: clean #/# files #/#
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921[05:31:05] <mrpelican> 52 blocks
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922[05:31:35] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, then it gets stuck saying
"A start job is running for dev* stuff"
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923[05:31:49] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, then gives a warning, and
asks for root password to get into maintenance mode.
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925[05:32:29] <jmcnaught> mrpelican: "stuff"
isn't very clear or helpful. when you enter the root password,
can you check the logs or journalctl?
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926[05:33:02] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, my root is /sbin/nologin
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928[05:33:10] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, Do you know how I can
change to shell?
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930[05:33:44] <mrpelican>
replaced-url
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933[05:36:08] <jmcnaught> mrpelican: you could try appending
"systemd.debug-shell" to the kernel command line in grub,
which should give you a root shell on tty9. see
/usr/share/doc/systemd/README.Debian for more details about that
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935[05:36:35] <jmcnaught> mrpelican: i'm not sure what the
consequences of setting root's shell to /sbin/nologin would be
overall, but i'd change it back to default
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936[05:38:02] <awal1> okee, about your 3d party repositories:
have you heard about 'frankendebian' system?
»»»»»»
replaced-url
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942[05:40:49] <okee> TomTomTosch> Can you give me the exact
syntax for using the apt-get with Firefox esr45? Mozilla's
servers are not picking it up from the sources.list
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943[05:41:36] <TomTomTosch> deb
replaced-url
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944[05:41:57] <jmcnaught> okee:
replaced-url
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950[05:44:26] <okee> jmcnaught> Thanks. I didn't see it
in the drop down menu.
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956[05:47:31] <mrpelican> Okay, so problem one. My root's
shell is set to /sbin/nologin. So now I'm stuck at maintance
mode without a shell, any ideas?
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960[05:49:08] <jmcnaught> mrpelican: you're probably going
to need to boot from a recovery CD that can decrypt/mount/chroot
your system, then set your root shell back to default
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966[05:52:09] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, SIGH. I'll just have
to reinstall
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967[05:52:29] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, Actually, I dont think I
can yet
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968[05:52:39] <mrpelican> I have to try to regain the keys I
hadn't backed up yet. >.<
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969[05:53:25] <jmcnaught> mrpelican: where did you get the idea
to set root's shell to /sbin/nologin?
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971[05:54:54] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, dunno
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972[05:55:11] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, I don't understand why
I can't login as a user
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974[05:55:51] <jmcnaught> mrpelican: it would be interesting to
figure out why your system won't start properly, but
you'll need to fix the root login issue first
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983[06:02:35] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, I have rescue mode starting
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985[06:02:51] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, from a USB netinst drive
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998[06:09:18] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, May I pm you
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999[06:10:18] <jmcnaught> mrpelican: it's probably better
if we do support in the channel, so when i make mistake others can
correct them
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1003[06:11:31] <markybob> for the record i thought you had a good
idea earlier with reinstalling. you'd be done by now.
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1004[06:11:57] <mrpelican> jmcnaught,
replaced-url
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1006[06:12:37] * mrpelican thinks he probably yanked the USB drive at
the end of the debian install too soon before something finished
writing. :(
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1007[06:12:46] <markybob> mrpelican: that's normal. it
can't find it because it's encrypted. it's not
supposed to see it.
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1008[06:12:54] <jmcnaught> mrpelican: i don't reboot very
often, but i think i get the same message before i decrypt, because
the logical volumes aren't visible until decryption
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1011[06:15:33] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, markybob Makes sense. See I
don't reboot often either.
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1012[06:15:57] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, markybob Well, I have a USB
live boot prepared. I just don't know how to continue.
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1014[06:16:31] <markybob> mrpelican: i wouldn't try unless
you have seriously important shit that you haven't backed up.
it'll take much longer than a reinstall
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1015[06:16:59] <jim> if running gdm, where can I put commands to
run once I log into gdm?
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1016[06:17:07] <mrpelican> markybob, jmcnaught
replaced-url
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1017[06:17:27] <mrpelican> markybob, I performed a LetsEncrypt
setup, and I want to recover the keys. :
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1019[06:17:36] <mrpelican> markybob, but I can probably live
without.
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1020[06:18:07] <markybob> mrpelican: we've already spent
over an hour talking about it. you can reinstall faster than that.
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1021[06:18:52] <mrpelican> markybob, well, I'm going to try
and recover those keys first by mounting in ubuntu live. :)
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1022[06:18:59] <simonlnu> if he had anything like customisations
i bet he'll have a thought to keep those
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1023[06:19:06] <jmcnaught> mrpelican: i haven't had to mount
an encrypted volume manually in quite some time, but you're
going to need the cryptsetup tool. also i see nothing wrong with
trying to recover if you're interested in the learning
experience, and saving those keys could be easier than recovering
them
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1024[06:19:21] <simonlnu> yeah
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1025[06:19:58] <jmcnaught> if it was a fresh install and it was
messed up, sure try reinstalling again to get it right. but knowing
how to recover an encrypted volume is a valuable skill
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1027[06:20:22] <simonlnu> yuppers
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1029[06:20:34] * simonlnu barely remembers how
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1030[06:20:40] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, Yeah, I'm pretty sure
the errors have to do with my /storage drive.
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1031[06:20:50] <mrpelican> Which is an entirely seperate SSD
(960GB)
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1033[06:21:40] <jmcnaught> mrpelican: it does look like it
it's trying to run fsck. how long have you let it run for?
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1035[06:22:27] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, I let it finish. The error
after fschk is [ TIME ] Timed out waiting for device
dev-disk-by\x2duuid-<LARGE_UUID>.device
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1036[06:22:39] <mrpelican> [DEPEND] Dependency failed for
Cryptography Setup for storage.
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1037[06:22:58] <mrpelican> The Storage drive shouldn't
effect the system drive
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1038[06:23:03] <jmcnaught> mrpelican: do the two encrypted
volumes have two different keys?
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1041[06:24:34] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, System Drive has 1
passphrase/key. Storage drive has 2 keys. (key slot 1 is the same as
system drive, key slot 2 is an online key that I don't mind
having on a running system)
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1044[06:25:05] <mrpelican> The idea is that the primary
encryption key is never used on an Online system, but the storage
drive can be decrypted with a secondary online key.
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1046[06:26:01] * mrpelican burns his Live Ubuntu USB flash drive
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1047[06:27:02] <jmcnaught> mrpelican: this looks like a fairly
reasonable guid to mounting the encrypted volume from the live disk:
replaced-url
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1050[06:27:59] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, I just wish I had thought
to go ahead and setup the backups directory on my storage drive
first
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1051[06:28:14] <mrpelican> Then I could just reinstall and
instantly copy back /etc/ configs
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1052[06:28:16] <jmcnaught> mrpelican: however i bet if your live
disk has gnome disks tool on it you can probably just do that
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1060[06:31:49] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, It's wonderful having
network remote management.
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1066[06:33:35] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, simonlnu markybob So, I
booted up Ubuntu live disk, (try before you install) and it
immediately detects the drive as "230 GB Encrypted"
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1067[06:33:44] <mrpelican> entered decryption phrase, and bam,
I'm in.
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1069[06:34:04] <mrpelican> it says it doesn't recognize
filesystem type, but it mounts fine. (probably the swap partiion)
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1071[06:34:28] <simonlnu> tada
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1072[06:34:31] <mrpelican> and I'm in
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1073[06:34:31] <mrpelican> :D
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1074[06:34:43] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, dance with me. I'm in
the encrypted drive
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1075[06:34:54] * mrpelican wonders how to fix it, or if he should
bother.
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1076[06:35:31] <jmcnaught> mrpelican: so next up is changing
root's shell back to /bin/bash, or recovering your letsencrypt
keys at the least
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1077[06:35:56] <mrpelican> My fstab's line to mount the
storage drive is
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1079[06:36:13] <mrpelican> /dev/mapper/storage /storage ext4
defaults 0 2
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1080[06:36:43] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, yeah, inserting another usb
now
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1084[06:38:11] <kang00> Hi
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1085[06:39:33] <jmcnaught> mrpelican: once you've corrected
root's shell, it'll probably still boot into maintenance
mode, but at least you'll be able to check logs to diagnose the
issue
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1086[06:39:49] <kang00> Looking for mentor
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1087[06:40:06] <NonfreeDriversSu> Disabling mouse acceleration on
Jessie (GDM). Attempted to create
xorg.conf.d/50-mouse-acceleration.conf file as advised here:
replaced-url
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1095[06:43:32] <NonfreeDriversSu> Brb. Make sure to tag me if you
reply please
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1098[06:45:03] <elvisthedj> I have a script that I need to run
automatically that stops a service before it runs, and restarts it
when it's finished. The script needs to be run as non-root
user. What's the best approach? e.g. I want to stop mpd, run
the app, restart mpd when done. Anyway to make sysctl let me
start/stop a service w/o being root?
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1099[06:45:28] <elvisthedj> ^debian jessie
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1100[06:45:43] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, What shell would you like?
/bin/bash?
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1101[06:46:03] <simonlnu> whatever root was using is optimal
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1102[06:46:20] <simonlnu> (default install is bash)
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1103[06:46:57] <simonlnu> like 99% of distros out there
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1106[06:47:31] <mrpelican> simonlnu, everything is backed up,
shutting down. :)
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1107[06:47:41] <simonlnu> w00t
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1117[06:50:12] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, simonlnu I'm about to
do a lot of flying after work tomorrow. So I'm making sure my
server is up for my "personal cloud" for backup purposes.
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1119[06:50:36] * simonlnu nods
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1120[06:51:13] <mrpelican> everything backed up, everything
encrypted, fuck the TSA, etc.
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1122[06:51:53] * mrpelican hands simonlnu a 2 inch steel sphere. Do you
think they'll confiscate this?
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1123[06:52:09] <mrpelican> I use it as a stress ball. Polished
mirror finish 2" ball bearing.
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1124[06:52:45] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, I'm in! :D with root
shell
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1125[06:53:02] <jim> mrpelican, please watch the f-bombs
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1126[06:53:09] <mrpelican> jim, you got it
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1127[06:53:20] <jim> thanks
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1129[06:54:55] <jim> oops,, forgot where I was,,, I don't
actually know the language policy here if there is one (it's
##linux that does have one)
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1130[06:55:02] <NonfreeDriversSu> Disabling mouse acceleration on
Jessie (GDM). Attempted to create
xorg.conf.d/50-mouse-acceleration.conf file as advised here:
replaced-url
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1134[06:56:07] <mrpelican> jim, it's likely similar.
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1136[06:57:10] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, So I'm in. What do I
do?
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1137[06:57:32] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, I could reinstall, but
I'm afraid this'll just occur again, I didn't do
anything particularly weird.
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1138[06:57:45] <jmcnaught> mrpelican: you're in that
maintenance shell? check the logs and see what's happening
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1141[06:59:01] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, I'm not sure where to
look or what for. I'm staring at /var/log/
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1144[06:59:31] <jmcnaught> mrpelican: i usually check journalctl
first these days
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1148[07:00:00] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, journalctl -xn ?
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1149[07:01:03] <mrpelican> "Failed at step EXEC spawning
/bin/plymouth: No such file or directory"
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1151[07:01:54] <jmcnaught> mrpelican: -n shows most recent lines
so might not be useful. -x expands journal entries with more info so
that could help. i usually just start with "journalctl"
unless i know i'm looking for problems with a specific
unit/binary/user/boot or something
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1155[07:03:07] <theunixfreak> hi friends. i have a thinkpad with
Realtek wireless card (RTL8192EE) the card is supported out of the
box on debian testing and it seems to work, though it is a bit
buggy, especially when i wake the computer from sleep. when i go
through kernel ring buffer (dmesg) i find the line "Direct
firmware load for rtlwifi/rtl8192eefw.bin failed with error -2"
i installed the realtek-firmware package and the error is gone. my
question is, why is there a
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1156[07:03:07] <theunixfreak> firmware package if the card can
work without it? should i use the rtlwifi driver bundled with debian
or should i also install firmware-realtek?
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1157[07:03:08] <jmcnaught> mrpelican: i doubt plymouth is the
problem. plymouth makes the boot pretty
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1158[07:03:52] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, okay, the correct command
is "journalctl -xb"
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1161[07:04:24] <jmcnaught> theunixfreak: some modules sorta work
without a firmware, but provide extra features if the firmware is
present
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1163[07:04:26] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, and it looks like it just
failed to mount/decrypt or whatever, my storage drive. Which
apparently incidates failed encrypted drive mount, which looks like
it's a depends by the os
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1168[07:04:57] <jmcnaught> mrpelican: check your /etc/crypttab ?
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1169[07:05:27] <theunixfreak> jmcnaught, my card has been giving
me problems ever since i bought the laptop, only now i find the new
rtlwifi driver a bit stable. will using firmware-realtek make it
unstable again?
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1170[07:05:44] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, there are two lines.
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1171[07:05:59] <jmcnaught> theunixfreak: if it works without the
firmware, why bother with the firmware? if you're haivng
problems, the firmware might help
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1172[07:06:07] <mrpelican> sda5_crypt UUID=<SOMEUUID> none
luks
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1173[07:06:23] <mrpelican> storage UUID=<SOMEOTHERUUID>
/var/credentials/storage.keyfile luks
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1175[07:06:29] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, that seem right? ^
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1177[07:06:42] <karlpinc> mrpelican: Is this after a jessie
upgrade?
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1178[07:06:55] <theunixfreak> jmcnaught, the driver fails to
connect to the router when i wake my laptop from sleep. i have to
rmmod the module "rtl8192ee" the reload it for the wlan
card to work. i am hoping that the firmware may help
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1179[07:07:08] <mrpelican> karlpinc, New jessie installation
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1182[07:07:48] <karlpinc> mrpelican: I recall something in the
jessie release notes about cryptsetup and keyfiles. You might go
looking....
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1183[07:07:59] <jmcnaught> mrpelican: is "storage" the
name of a logical volume?
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1186[07:08:08] <theunixfreak> jmcnaught, thanks for the help :)
see you soon
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1188[07:08:26] <karlpinc> mrpelican: Don't let me derail you
here though. That's just a thought.
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1190[07:09:16] <theunixfreak> hey NonfreeDriversSu, do you know
the status of firmware-realtek? are they actively developing it?
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1191[07:09:30] <jmcnaught> mrpelican: to be honest i'm not
familiar with using key files, so karlpinc's suggestion is
worth looking into
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1193[07:09:56] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, I don't believe so. I
think that's just the name of the device to the mapper
according to
replaced-url
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1194[07:10:21] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, When I made the storage
device, I did. /dev/sdb
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1196[07:10:26] <mrpelican> not /dev/sdb1 or something
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1197[07:10:33] <karlpinc> !tell theunixfreak about realtek
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1199[07:10:51] <jmcnaught> mrpelican: heh, /me actually reading
crypttab(5) now
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1201[07:11:02] <karlpinc> theunixfreak: Perhaps one of the
factoids is helpful? I've not been paying ntion.
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1207[07:12:36] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, wtf. in /etc/crypttab my
UUID for storage does NOT match /dev/sdb (the storage SDD)
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1209[07:12:48] <theunixfreak> karlpinc, i have a realtek wireless
card (RTL8129EE) as far as i know, there has not been a stable
driver for it till now. now there seems to be a firmware
(realtek-firmware) and a free package (rtlwifi) for making it work.
is the firmware-realtek stable now? is it being actively developed?
what is the state of rtlwifi on rtl8192ee
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1211[07:13:20] <mrpelican> /etc/crypttab->storage->UUID !=
blkid /dev/sdb
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1214[07:14:19] <jmcnaught> mrpelican: the first line for
sda5_crypt or whatever, that matches?
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1215[07:14:42] <jmcnaught> mrpelican: how different is it? is it
possibly an editing error?
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1218[07:16:39] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, That matches what?
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1220[07:17:21] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, and yes,
/etc/crypttab->sda5_crypt->UUID == blkid /dev/sda5
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1221[07:17:27] <mrpelican> matches
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1222[07:17:56] <jmcnaught> mrpelican: yeah that's what i
meant
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1224[07:18:24] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, Testing with
"cryptdisks_start storage"
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1225[07:18:33] <mrpelican> waiting for it to finish whatever the
hell it's doing
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1226[07:18:37] <mrpelican> I think it's doing fschk
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1228[07:18:52] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, Yeah, /storage mounts fine.
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1229[07:18:53] <ljhade24> When does Icedove going to change
it's name to be thunderbird?? any idea?
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1231[07:19:02] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, I'm going to test a
reboot.
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1235[07:20:10] <jmcnaught> ljhade24: i think there's a bug
on the BTS about it, not really sure though
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1236[07:20:20] <mrpelican> Doing reboot
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1237[07:20:37] <ljhade24> jmcnaught: what's BTS??
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1239[07:21:06] <jmcnaught> ljhade24: bug tracking system,
replaced-url
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1240[07:21:37] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, Booted fine.
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1241[07:21:44] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, Apache2 failed to start for
whatever reason
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1242[07:21:59] <jmcnaught> mrpelican: sweet! about the boot at
least.
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1247[07:23:38] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, I'm confused. Random
things seem to just fail
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1249[07:23:46] <mrpelican> apache2 is the only error that
appeared this time
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1250[07:24:10] <mrpelican> syntax error in default-ssl.conf
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1259[07:27:00] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, Ah, Yeah, I cleared out my
self-signed CA before hand, so the line looking for the CA file is
not finding it. Apache2 started. Well it's all working
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1261[07:27:22] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, I'm confused as to why
the UUID changed, or maybe I somehow got it wrong. I don't
know.
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1262[07:27:26] <mrpelican> but it's confusing
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1267[07:28:00] <jmcnaught> mrpelican: excellent. are you using
the letsencrypt package from jessie-backports by the way? I was
playing with it yesterday, definitely going to use it for my next
web site
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1269[07:28:52] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, I didn't use
backports. :) I literally followed these instructions
replaced-url
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1270[07:29:01] <jmcnaught> mrpelican: if the UUID gets changed in
crypttab again then it would be very suspicious, but sounds like
you've got it resolved for now
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1272[07:29:23] <jmcnaught> mrpelican: ahh.. well there's a
package in jessie-backports now FYI
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1273[07:29:29] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, but I used
"./letsencrypt-auto --apache -d cluelessperson.com" :)
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1274[07:29:48] <mrpelican> jmcnaught, I'll keep that in
mind. Either way they made it very easy. :)
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1275[07:30:19] <jmcnaught> mrpelican: you're braver than me
:) i'm too chicken to let letsencrypt touch my apache
configuration, was planning on using the webroot method
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1277[07:31:20] <cluelessperson> jmcnaught, I'm back baby! :D
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1278[07:31:27] <simonlnu> ljhade24: they're 2 different
things, but the code is mostly thunderbird (there's very little
difference except branding, really, and some patches)
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1280[07:31:38] <cluelessperson> jmcnaught, They don't
actually. They create their own new site-enabled file. :)
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1282[07:32:16] <cluelessperson> jmcnaught, Which includes a link
back to a conf in their /etc/letsencrypt/ssl.conf or something
similar. It has a cipher uite setup and ssl enabled, that's
all. Pretty simple.
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1283[07:32:41] <cluelessperson> jmcnaught, I just deleted it and
setup my own modern ciphersuite from a generator that's online.
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1286[07:33:24] <cluelessperson> jmcnaught, My only complaint is
that it locks you in with a 2048 bit key with letsencrypt, and
it's not as strong as a cipher as it could be, but it's
definitely "good enough
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1287[07:34:00] <cluelessperson> jmcnaught,
replaced-url
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1288[07:34:06] <simonlnu> eek, 2048
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1289[07:34:18] <cluelessperson> simonlnu, wut
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1290[07:34:32] <simonlnu> i prefer 4096 too
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1292[07:35:05] <cluelessperson> simonlnu, hahahaha. I go for
1024*8
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1293[07:35:05] <simonlnu> which reminds me
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1298[07:37:05] <jmcnaught> cluelessperson: nice, i'm glad
you got your stuff fixed without a reinstall :)
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1299[07:37:37] <cluelessperson> jmcnaught, Thank you very much
for your help btw. I'm just confused. It's possible I got
the UUID wrong, (this was first reboot)
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1300[07:37:49] <cluelessperson> jmcnaught, but the system drive
should not be dependent on the storage drive
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1301[07:37:54] <cluelessperson> jmcnaught, do you know how I can
fix that?
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1302[07:38:04] <jmcnaught> cluelessperson: not sure
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1303[07:38:53] * cluelessperson setups up cronjob RSYNC to backup /etc/
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1308[07:40:25] <jmcnaught> cluelessperson: do you know about
etckeeper?
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1310[07:41:05] <cluelessperson> jmcnaught, nope. :)
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1316[07:42:41] <jmcnaught> ,i etckeeper
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1317[07:42:42] <judd> Package etckeeper (admin, optional) in
jessie/amd64: store /etc in git, mercurial, bzr or darcs. Version:
1.15; Size: 33.9k; Installed: 206k; Homepage:
replaced-url
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1318[07:43:09] * simonlnu uses etckeeper
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1319[07:43:10] <jmcnaught> cluelessperson: it has apt hooks, so
it makes a new commit every time apt runs, pretty sweet
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1321[07:44:12] <cluelessperson> jmcnaught, nifty
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1322[07:44:53] <jmcnaught> cluelessperson: if you already had it,
it would have been able to tell you when/if /etc/crypttab was
modified
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1323[07:45:14] <cluelessperson> jmcnaught, I remember entering
that incorrect UUID myself
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1324[07:45:28] <cluelessperson> jmcnaught, What confuses me, is
that I know I got thta UUID by doing blkid /dev/sdb
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1325[07:45:39] <cluelessperson> jmcnaught, so I'm under the
impression the UUID for /dev/sdb changed
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1328[07:47:34] <jmcnaught> cluelessperson: gremlins maybe, or
possibly underpants gnomes
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cream from my doctor took care of those.
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1447[09:09:28] <MurciLee> is there debian package that can open
erwin file?
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1505[09:55:31] <MaBunny> hey
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1514[10:05:26] <MaBunny> nothing going on here?
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1515[10:05:52] <musca> hello MaBunny
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1516[10:06:15] <MaBunny> musca: hey
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1517[10:06:53] <musca> MaBunny: debian linux user support is on
topic here.
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1518[10:07:05] <MaBunny> ok
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1519[10:07:22] <musca> feel free to ask ...
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1521[10:07:39] <MaBunny> i was more on chatting
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1525[10:08:27] <MaBunny> does dev-cpp come on debian?
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1533[10:10:22] <musca> MaBunny: are you refering to recent c++
compiler?
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1534[10:10:45] <MaBunny> yes
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1538[10:12:30] <musca> ,v gcc
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1539[10:12:31] <judd> Package: gcc on amd64 -- squeeze:
4:4.4.5-1; wheezy: 4:4.7.2-1; jessie: 4:4.9.2-2; stretch: 4:5.3.1-1;
sid: 4:5.3.1-1; experimental: 4:6-20160101-2
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1542[10:14:48] <musca> MaBunny: stretch did switch to gcc 5 with
an ABI change. It has been a quite big transition.
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1546[10:15:48] <MaBunny> yeah,the latest is gcc 5,but im now on
gcc 4.9
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1550[10:18:14] <musca> MaBunny: It's not easy to jump back
and forth between theese, I think.
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1552[10:19:07] <MaBunny> idk,i hav been using gcc 4.9 since a
long time,or are you meaning stretch and stable?
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1580[10:30:56] <zxd> Are there proprietary intel drivers for
945GM
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1584[10:36:39] <musca> zxd: intel drivers have been open in the
past.
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1585[10:36:44] <musca> ,v xserver-xorg-video-intel
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1586[10:36:45] <judd> Package: xserver-xorg-video-intel on amd64
-- squeeze: 2:2.13.0-7; squeeze-backports: 2:2.15.0-3~bpo60+2;
wheezy: 2:2.19.0-6; wheezy-backports: 2:2.21.15-2~bpo70+1; jessie:
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1590[10:38:35] <zxd> what's the difference between
xserver-xorg-video-intel and i915.ko kernel module?
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1603[10:47:36] <zxd> I ask because vlc player seems to be working
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1651[11:13:14] <musca> zxd: the driver stack is divided in parts.
xserver-xorg-video-intel contains the "DDX" part.
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1676[11:31:06] <shiin> Hello. I've been having trouble
compiling Haskell platform 7.10.3 on Wheezy. Is there a recommended
way to achieve that?
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1677[11:31:36] <shiin> When I first tried to download and make
Haskell platform, I found out I had to get cabal-install, and for
cabal-install I need GHC, but GHC needs GHC too, and the GHC in
Wheezy is too old to compile the new GHC.
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1678[11:32:01] <shiin> I have several Jessie systems on virtual
machines on a server, but the server itself is still Wheezy and thus
not that easy to upgrade.
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1683[11:34:46] <Walex> shiin: as always the issue is that
"stable" means "stable" :-)
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1684[11:35:31] <sussudio> there's always backports.
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1686[11:36:36] <Walex> shiin: the secondary issue is that at some
point the self-compiling Haskell compiler obviously needed to
self-compile itself, so there must be a version of the compiler in
between that on 7/Wheezy and 7.10.3 that that you can use to
complete the boostrap process.
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1688[11:37:57] <Walex> shiin: alternatively you can try to build
a statically-linked version of 'ghc' 7.10.3 under 8/Jessie
and then copy it to 7/Wheezy and use that to start the bootstrap
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1689[11:37:57] <shiin> I could try to create an intermediate GHC
between the Wheezy GHC version, which is 7.4, and one that can
compile 7.10, but ugh.
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1690[11:38:18] <Walex> shiin: boostrapping is not always
convenient...
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1691[11:38:38] <shiin> Maybe I should really plan how to update
that system first.
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1696[11:40:13] <Walex> shiin: the other story is that it is
exceptionally unwise of the 'ghc' maintainers to use new
language features in the compiler that compiles them, across minor
versions.
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1701[11:41:10] <shiin> Not the most conventional way, but then
the minor version just really is a major version.
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1705[11:41:53] <shiin> I suppose the statically linked way sounds
rather plausible
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1709[11:42:47] <shiin> I will keep that in mind as I evaluate how
much effort it would be to switch to a new server based on Jessie.
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1710[11:43:02] <shiin> Thank you for your advice.
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1713[11:43:53] <Walex> shiin: BTW there is a tool that
"packs" into a pseudo-static executable a dynamically
linked one.
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1719[11:45:08] <MaBunny> checkinstall?
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1720[11:45:08] <TomTomTosch> Hello, MaBunny. have you gotten
pioneer space sim to work?
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1721[11:45:20] <MaBunny> no,i havent
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1722[11:45:40] <MaBunny> tommorrow I hav an exam
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1723[11:45:52] <TomTomTosch> MaBunny, i've built it
yesterdey to have a look. it works pretty well.
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1724[11:46:01] <Walex> shiin: MaBunny: it is not
'checkinstall' but I can't remember the name
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1725[11:46:05] <MaBunny> thnx for the info
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1729[11:47:14] <Walex> shiin:
replaced-url
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1740[11:52:08] <MaBunny> TomTomTosch,ill probably make changes to
my jessie after a few months,i just needed to kno if its ok
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1744[11:55:10] <MaBunny> thnx
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1760[12:05:15] <LaT0rtue> .
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1787[12:20:49] <venkat_330> hi aall
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1842[12:56:56] <MaBunny> hey Nathuram
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2026[14:36:55] <DoctorD90> hello guys! but debian supports secure
boot/uefi?
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2034[14:40:31] <dpkg> Unified Extensible Firmware Interface
(UEFI) is a firmware interface specification, intended to replace
the <BIOS> firmware interface. Debian 7 "Wheezy" and
later releases support installation in (U)EFI mode on 64-bit PC
systems (amd64), <secure boot> is currently not supported.
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2102[15:10:26] <r0ck_> which is better to use: aptitude or
apt-get
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2103[15:10:27] <r0ck_> ?
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2124[15:19:26] <dionysus69> if I use raspbian are there packages
available for like nginx and psql ?
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2125[15:19:42] <r6ku> the manual(replaced-url
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2126[15:19:50] <dionysus69> i mean are there arm implementations
of most popular packages or i will hit a brick wall?
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2129[15:20:40] <fred1807> I just installed debian jessie, and it
seems lost on the year 2005 ? dpck configure tzdata does no fix it
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2130[15:21:17] <fred1807> also iceweasel treat every single
website as a security risk
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2132[15:21:42] <ewew> what shows hwclock ?
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2135[15:22:11] <ewew> fred1807 ^
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2137[15:22:25] <fred1807> no such command
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2138[15:22:38] <markybob> fred1807: you need to be root or sudo
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2139[15:23:00] <fred1807> december 31 2005
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2140[15:23:18] <markybob> okay. go into your bios and fix that
shit :P
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2141[15:23:34] <ewew> fred1807 When is the last time you set the
clock in bios,uefi ?
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2142[15:23:38] <fred1807> what about iceweasel denying every
website?
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2143[15:23:44] <teraflops> fred1807: installed where? Pc, laptop,
arm board? Set your time in the bios/efi. Also install a daemon to
sync date and time over the network if you have an rpi-like thingy.
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2147[15:23:50] <fred1807> ewew: this is and old laptop, and
probably never
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2148[15:24:02] <DoctorD90> r6ku, and to support secure boot? what
should I do?
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2149[15:24:05] <fred1807> teraflops: HP pavilon laptop
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2150[15:24:11] <markybob> DoctorD90: nothing
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2151[15:24:14] <markybob> DoctorD90: won't work
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2152[15:24:14] <ewew> fred1807 First possible cause is that
battery on cmos is weak.
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2153[15:24:15] <teraflops> fred1807: all the certificates will
fail miserably until you fix your date and time
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2154[15:24:52] <fred1807> teraflops: can I make the system ignore
bios battery?
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2155[15:24:57] <DoctorD90> markybob, but secure boot isnt
something like a ssl certificate? so if i add it to the iso, it will
work?
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2159[15:25:09] <fred1807> ignore bios clock
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2161[15:25:26] <markybob> DoctorD90: no
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2162[15:25:29] <teraflops> fred1807: just sync time and date over
the network
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2164[15:25:55] <DoctorD90> markybob, ah...but ubuntu has it :(
...uff....
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2165[15:26:07] <fred1807> teraflops: command line for such job
is?...
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2170[15:27:37] <teraflops> fred1807: just enable systemd-timesync
service
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2171[15:27:50] <fred1807> teraflops: I dont know how
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2172[15:27:54] <teraflops> And then reboot or just start it
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2175[15:28:26] <fred1807> and How do I make grub auto start
debian, without a select screen?
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2177[15:28:57] <teraflops> fred1807: since youre using debian i
believe you want to learn to deal with systemctl
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2179[15:30:23] <markybob> fred1807: simple google
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2181[15:30:36] <markybob> i'd still fix your fucking bios
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2182[15:30:55] <fred1807> manually set the date and the fucking
bios, and installing NTP now
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2183[15:31:04] <teraflops> Heh if it's old maybe the cmos
battery.is depleted
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2188[15:33:52] <fred1807> what annoys me is that everytime I
google for debian help I get mostly ubuntu results
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2190[15:34:35] <markybob> fred1807: arch in my experience has the
best wiki, fyi
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2193[15:36:00] <teraflops> fred1807: avoid the debian bit.
it's just linux.
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2201[15:39:06] <karlpinc> fred1807: I've always used ntp.
Install it, it works and fixes the time. system-timesyncd is newer
and I can't recommend either for or against it.
systemd-timesyncd may be better if all you want is a client, I
can't say.
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2205[15:40:03] <fred1807> karlpinc: yes, NTP just working fine
here
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2208[15:40:59] <fred1807> anyone succesfully installed AWUS036H
on debian jessie?
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2210[15:41:32] <jim> what's that?
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2211[15:41:50] <karlpinc> fred1807: That's not a good
question. Ask your real question and see if someone answers.
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2214[15:43:42] <karlpinc> fred1807: You want to look at
/etc/default/grub and "info -f grub -n 'Simple
configuration'" for how to configure grub's screen
display.
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2216[15:44:48] <fred1807> it is a usb wifi module (with high
power antenna). When I connect to the laptop, I can see via DMESG
that the thing is recognized (as realtek rtl8187 driver) but I dont
see the interface on network manager or WICD windows
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2220[15:46:00] <markybob> fred1807: installing firmware-realtek
should probably do the trick
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2223[15:47:03] <karlpinc> !rtl818x
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2224[15:47:03] <dpkg> Realtek 802.11b/g PCI/PCIe and USB wireless
LAN chips (RTL8180, RTL8185, RTL8187, RTL8187B, RTL8187SE) are
supported by the rtl8180 and rtl8187 drivers in the Linux kernel.
All drivers do not require firmware from userspace.
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2226[15:47:50] <fred1807> I saw this information... but I dont
why debian does not see the interface (dmseg list it correctly)
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2230[15:50:42] <HarryCross> Ive got an asus PCEAC68 - will that
work straight away on Debian 8 or not?
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2238[15:53:02] <teraflops> HarryCross: who knows? Look at the hw.
Or just run a debian live there
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2239[15:53:51] <HarryCross> Ok. Will do
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2241[15:53:58] <jim> fred1807, how many lines do you get from
lspci -nn | grep -i net
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2246[15:54:56] <jim> HarryCross, what kind of thing is that
device?
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2248[15:55:10] <HarryCross> jim, wifi card
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2249[15:55:24] <HarryCross> I was asking because of the previous
thing I saw with WiFi
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2250[15:55:43] <jim> is it in the machine now? and are you
running linux of anysort?
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2251[15:55:58] <fred1807> jim: 1 line (ethernet controler)
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2252[15:56:07] <LaT0rtue_> i need to test my telnet serveur
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2253[15:56:09] <HarryCross> Its in the machine right now, and I
am going to be switching from Windows 10 to Debian 8 soon
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2255[15:56:16] <LaT0rtue_> can you test it 90.32.118.195 ?
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2256[15:56:18] <LaT0rtue_> port 23
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2259[15:57:08] <jim> HarryCross, do you also have an ethernet
port in that machine?
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2260[15:57:10] <fred1807> HarryCross: probably it will work out
of the box, as mostly modern machines do, try a live pen drive, and
check if you will need additional drivers for your graphics card
performance
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2262[15:57:20] <HarryCross> jim, yes I do
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2263[15:57:21] <grawity> LaT0rtue_: down
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2265[15:57:39] <teraflops> My religion avoids me dealing with
telnet and/or ftp
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2266[15:57:46] <HarryCross> fred1807, Yeah, I just read a lot of
confusing things about needing non free drivers etc
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2267[15:57:57] <jim> do you have a way to connect it (a cable)
and something to connect it to?
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2269[15:58:12] <HarryCross> I could use a powerline for a
temporary solution
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2272[15:59:22] <fred1807> HarryCross: first run a live pen drive,
check how it works, install it, and then go tailoring the system for
better performance ( = install non free drivers IF they are needed)
but things may, and will work, out of the box
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2273[15:59:35] <HarryCross> Thanks. Will do
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2275[16:01:07] <LaT0rtue_> the port is now open
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2276[16:01:10] <LaT0rtue_> port 23
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2277[16:01:11] <LaT0rtue_> on 90.32.118.195
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2279[16:02:55] <grawity> the real Windows telnet server would at
least respond to telnet options
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2281[16:02:58] <fred1807> jim: 1 line
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2282[16:03:09] <jim> HarryCross, you can also install the base of
debian (at least) using a netinstall image...
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2285[16:03:33] <jim> fred1807, so lspci isn't seeing the
wireless
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2287[16:03:48] <fred1807> jim: dmesg ID it correctly
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2291[16:04:21] <jim> is it connected in some other way?
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2293[16:04:39] <fred1807> ? usb port?
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2294[16:05:52] <jim> yeah, is it connected via usb?
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2295[16:05:56] <fred1807> yes
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2296[16:06:17] <jim> oh ok, no wonder... lsusb might see it
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2298[16:06:28] <fred1807> lsub does see it
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2299[16:06:53] <fred1807> "realtek semiconductor wireless
adapter"
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2300[16:07:02] <fred1807> bus 002 device 002
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2301[16:07:06] <jim> ok, you are running a linux?
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2302[16:07:12] <fred1807> debian jessi
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2303[16:07:17] <fred1807> just installed yesterday
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2304[16:07:29] <jim> ok, try ifconfig -a
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2307[16:08:13] <fred1807> wow I see a wlan0
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2308[16:08:40] <jim> ok... as root... try:
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2311[16:09:17] <jim> ifconfig wlan0 up ; iwlist scan
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2313[16:09:40] <grawity> or `iw wlan0 scan` for modern drivers
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2315[16:10:26] <jim> the question would be, do you see your
neighbors' waps?
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2317[16:11:01] <fred1807> after ifconfig wlan0 up the led light
turn on o/
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2318[16:11:27] <jim> good sign
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2320[16:12:19] <fred1807> bother scan commands seems to work..
what now? I cant find on debian (LXDE) a GUI for selecting networks
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2321[16:12:22] <fred1807> *both
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2324[16:12:44] <jim> you mean you do see some waps?
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2329[16:13:07] <fred1807> yes, list the avaliable WiFi
connections... select one, and go
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2332[16:14:25] <fred1807> wicd network manager still does not see
the thing
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2333[16:14:28] <jim> well you can either do it by editing the
text file /etc/network/interfaces, or you can run network-manager
(or something like it)
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2335[16:15:12] <jim> do you have your own wap?
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2336[16:15:20] <fred1807> yes I do
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2341[16:15:35] <fred1807> the GUI network manager on debian still
does not list the wlan0, only the eth0
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2344[16:16:06] <jim> yes, I get that, that;s what you said
before...
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2347[16:16:42] <jim> is it listed in the scan you did?
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2348[16:16:45] <fred1807> add allow-hotplug eth0 wlan0 to
interfaces?
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2351[16:17:38] <fred1807> yes it is listed
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2358[16:20:14] <jim> ok, *, this part is fuzzy to me... we did
get as far as to verify the card works,,, and I forgot how to go the
rest of the way... maybe on a temporary basis someone could set him
up using /etc/network/interfaces?
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2364[16:21:49] <jim> fred1807, ok, you can ifconfig wlan0 down
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2366[16:22:21] <jim> is there something like network-manager file
in /etc/init.d?
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2368[16:23:41] <fred1807> no there is not
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2369[16:24:21] <jim> ok,,, the last time you rebooted, was the
wireless usb connected?
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2371[16:25:30] <fred1807> just reboot now, with the usb connectec
and system started with the wlan0 off
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2374[16:27:15] <jim> fred1807, does wicd see the card?
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2376[16:27:20] <fred1807> no
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2381[16:28:33] <fred1807> bingo
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2382[16:28:36] <jim> well,,, you're in a pretty good
position... we know the card works
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2384[16:28:56] <jim> wait, there;s one more thign
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2385[16:28:57] <fred1807> I had to manually enter
'wlan0' to the wicd configu panel
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2386[16:29:01] <fred1807> it is working now
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2387[16:29:16] <jim> oh really
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2389[16:29:33] <fred1807> yes
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2390[16:30:03] <fred1807> well. one last thing, what should I add
to the etc/network/interfaces file to make sure the usb wifi card is
up at every reboot?
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2392[16:30:14] <jim> that's great... see if you can connect
to your own wap
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2394[16:30:51] <jim> I dunno what state nm wants it in
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2396[16:31:17] <jim> does nm show networks?
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2397[16:31:27] <fred1807> it connect to my wap, working good
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2398[16:31:44] <fred1807> network manager GUI still does not list
it
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2400[16:32:05] <jim> so you can actually ping stuff?
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2403[16:32:41] <fred1807> browsing internet right now with the
wifi adapter
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2407[16:33:42] <jim> the interfaces file format has a
"pre-up"
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2408[16:34:11] <jim> maybe you can put the ifconfig wlan0 up
there?
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2411[16:34:37] <jim> but since your net is up, can you apt-get
install nopaste
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2412[16:34:49] <LaT0rtue_> telnetchat.ddns.net - port 23 !
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2414[16:34:57] <fred1807> nopaste?
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2415[16:35:23] <jim> yeah, it's a stream pastebinner
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2416[16:36:20] <LaT0rtue_> telnetchat.ddns.net - port 23 !
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2422[16:38:45] <jim> got that installed?
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2427[16:42:33] <jim> fred1807, after that, (you might want to
check /etc/network/interfaces for sensitive info) run cat
/etc/network/interfaces | nopaste
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2429[16:42:52] <jim> and then show the url it eventually gives
you
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2435[16:44:08] <mezo> hey, on debian i have problems with random
ping spikes over wifi (the length of the spike feels always the
same). i already tried different wifi devices and on all i have the
same problem. on windows my wifi is fine.
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2437[16:44:38] <esotericnonsense> mezo: sounds like wifi
powersaving
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2438[16:44:50] <teraflops> with different wifi devices?
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2439[16:45:02] <mezo> 1x pcie 2x usb
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2440[16:45:08] <mezo> thats what i tried so far
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2441[16:45:09] <esotericnonsense> hmm, good point :)
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2445[16:45:55] <mezo> wifi power saving is atleast disabled in
gnome settings.
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2472[16:57:06] <LaT0rtue_> TELNET: telnetchat.ddns.net - port 23
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2474[16:57:51] <fred1807> jim,
replaced-url
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2476[16:58:13] <Yeretik> Hi! Anybody can talk to me about a
solution to display CE708 Closed Captions at some media player?
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2485[17:02:38] <DexterF> hi
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2486[17:02:40] <DexterF> !grub
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2487[17:02:41] <dpkg> GNU GRUB 2 is a portable and powerful boot
loader. Ask me about <grub config> and <grub default>.
To reinstall, ask me about <fixmbr>.
replaced-url
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2493[17:06:13] <jim> DexterF, having problems with grub?
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2498[17:07:19] <DexterF> jim, well, it works for a change, but
when I want to change the default grub entry, do I manually edit
/etc/default/grub or /boot/grub/grub.cfg?
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2500[17:07:46] <DexterF> (or not maunally at all?)
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2501[17:07:54] <teraflops> DexterF: always edit /etc/default/grub
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2507[17:08:27] <jim> fred1807, any output from grep -r wlan0
/etc/network/interfaces.d
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2508[17:08:27] <teraflops> DexterF: if you edit by hand
/boot/grub/grub.cfg update-grub will overwrite your changes
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2510[17:08:28] <umbSublime> Hi, not necessarily debian related,
but does anyone know how to configure sar so I can use "sar -m
CPU"
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2514[17:08:55] <umbSublime> I currently get this when trying
"Requested activities not available in file
/var/log/sysstat/sa28"
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2515[17:09:33] <teraflops> DexterF: if you want custom grub
configuration take a look at /etc/grub.d
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2516[17:09:39] <jim> DexterF, you can edit it... but, the file is
regenerated when (for example) you install a kernel image
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2519[17:10:16] <jim> also, I think grub remembers the last thing
it booted
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2521[17:10:54] <Nimms> jim, it doesn't by default.
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2522[17:11:31] <jim> Nimms, what do you have to do to get it to
do that?
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2523[17:12:29] <Nimms> jim, change GRUB_DEFAULT value to
"saved" in /etc/default/grub.
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2524[17:12:49] <jim> that's all?
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2525[17:13:02] <Nimms> update-grub then of course.
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2526[17:13:19] <jim> oh I see, thanks for that
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2529[17:16:05] <Nimms> jim, hmm, looks like you also need to add
GRUB_SAVEDEFAULT=true to the same file.
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2542[17:19:51] <jim> Nimms, so then, next boot would create save
file?
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2543[17:20:03] <DexterF> now... I have 3 kernels, I'd like
the 3rd to be default, so I now says GRUB_DEAFULT=3, but what if I
decide to uninstall kernel image 1 or 2?
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2544[17:20:24] <rgammans> I've just upgraded to stretch
(from jessie) and now ssh-agent isn't working. I'm getting
ECONNREFUSED from ssh/ssh-add when anthing attempts to connect to
SSH_AUTH_SOCK
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2545[17:20:30] <DexterF> and how do I check now that the 3rd
really is deafualt now? update-grub did not tell it
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2546[17:20:36] <rgammans> does anybody have any ideas what to do
to debug this
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2550[17:21:36] <markybob> rgammans: you'll get better
testing support in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net per /topic
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2551[17:21:42] <jim> DexterF, is it that the machine in question
is a remote, that you don;t have physical access?
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2552[17:21:53] <rgammans> oh. ok
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2563[17:24:05] <jim> DexterF, I notice you're being extra
careful
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2566[17:25:29] <DexterF> jim: got physical access, but on the
occasion I thought I ask how to do certain things by the book. grub2
still is strange to me.
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2570[17:25:52] <umbSublime> I figured it out, all I needed was to
add "-S POWER" to the SADC_OPTIONS in /etc/sysstat/sysstat
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2575[17:27:37] <jim> DexterF, yeah, it's different alright
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2582[17:29:26] <Nimms> DexterF, you can check the needed kernel
_name_ in /boot/grub/grub.cfg, copy it and put to GRUB_DEFAULT.
It's not limited to numbers.
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2584[17:30:00] <DexterF> Nimms: ah!
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2595[17:34:15] <yacc_> Any recommendation on how to setup a mail
server (smtp with smarthost, imap, and potentially some spam
protection) on Debian?
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2596[17:34:58] <yacc_> (Small number of users, so theoretically I
could live with having real host uids issued to every and each email
account.)
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2598[17:35:43] <DexterF> Nimms, the name in '...' or
the name from the "linux" line? example
replaced-url
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2599[17:35:51] <friesenpeter> yacc_: are you familiar with any
packaged mail server?
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2602[17:36:33] <Nimms> DexterF, no, you need the line starting
with "menuentry".
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2603[17:36:41] <yacc_> postfix mostly, but reading email with
mutt and deleting spam is not really "wife-compatible".
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2605[17:37:02] <Nimms> DexterF, in this case it will be:
GRUB_DEFAULT="Debian GNU/Linux, mit Linux 3.2.0-4-amd64"
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2606[17:37:14] <DexterF> Nimms: ok, thanks
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2608[17:37:40] <friesenpeter> then go with
replaced-url
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2611[17:38:14] <yacc_> friesenpeter, smail, sendmail, dovecot,
but all of them are some years (or even decades) in the past.
(Currently it's postfix + ssh + mutt for mail reading)
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2614[17:38:32] <tinyhippo> I have set a static ip in
/etc/network/interfaces containing this ifnformation:
replaced-url
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2615[17:38:52] <jim> DexterF, but you run jessie?
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2618[17:39:47] <jim> tinyhippo, maybe the dhclient was running
before, and is dying hard?
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2619[17:39:58] <DexterF> jim: 8.0 upgraded from 7
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2620[17:40:26] <tinyhippo> jim: how would I find out whether that
is the case?
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2621[17:40:40] <jim> DexterF, ok,,, did 3.16 not work?
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2623[17:40:58] <DexterF> jim: 3.16?
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2624[17:41:07] <jim> tinyhippo see if it appears in ps aux?
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2625[17:41:23] <Nimms> tinyhippo, do you run something like
NetworkManager or wicd?
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2626[17:41:35] <tinyhippo> Nimms: neither
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2628[17:41:51] <jim> DexterF, that kernel is what the jessie has
set as default kernel (not sure why)
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2629[17:41:51] <tinyhippo> jim: dhclient doesn't appear in
ps aux
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2633[17:42:33] <jim> tinyhippo, hmm. is the address it's
getting one it had before?
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2636[17:42:47] <tinyhippo> jim: yep
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2637[17:43:01] <DexterF> jim:
replaced-url
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2644[17:44:19] <jim> 3.16 isnt even there
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2645[17:44:25] <jim> that's weird
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2649[17:45:50] <jim> tinyhippo, I wonder if the address is stored
in some kind of cache... also, can I see your
/etc/network/interfaces?
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2652[17:46:31] <tinyhippo> jim:
replaced-url
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2653[17:46:38] <jim> (tinyhippo, well it must be stored
somewhere...)
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2655[17:48:03] <eatingthenight> is their an irc for debian
packaging?
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2658[17:48:56] <jim> tinyhippo, hmm. this is nitpicking and
grasping at straws... but does indenting the stuff in the stanza
(after iface) make it work correctly?
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2659[17:49:39] <Nimms> tinyhippo, remove dhcpcd, then
"allow-hotplug eth0" line before "iface eth0 inet
static".
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2660[17:49:40] <jim> eatingthenight, #debian-mentors on
irc.oftc.net
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2662[17:49:53] <eatingthenight> @jim awesome thanks!
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2663[17:50:00] <jim> welcome
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2664[17:50:24] <tinyhippo> Nimms: dhcpcd isn't installed
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2668[17:51:06] <Nimms> tinyhippo, anyway, try adding
"allow-hotplug eth0".
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2669[17:51:07] <jim> tinyhippo, I guess locate the cache dir
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2673[17:51:50] <tinyhippo> Nimms: that sorted it! thanks - why
would it cause that kind of problem?
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2674[17:52:36] <Nimms> tinyhippo, because it didn't up eth0
at boot.
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2676[17:53:08] <Nimms> tinyhippo, though it's strange that
DHCP still worked.
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2677[17:53:10] <DexterF> jim: umm, I just see that aources.list
is full of wheezy lines... I think something awful might have
happened when I restored a backup recenlty...
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2678[17:53:22] <tinyhippo> Nimms: odd
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2679[17:53:27] <tinyhippo> Nimms: thanks for the fix, anyway
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2680[17:53:32] <tinyhippo> thanks for your help too, jim
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2681[17:53:34] <DexterF> (it's even affecting my typing :P)
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2682[17:53:50] <jim> tinyhippo, welcome
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2684[17:54:23] <jim> DexterF, cat /etc/debian-version
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2685[17:54:27] <Nimms> tinyhippo, package for dhcpcd is called
"dhcpcd5", check if it is installed. Also run `which
dhcpcd`.
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2686[17:54:52] <tinyhippo> dhcpcd5 is installed, and is now
removed, thanks Nimms :)
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2687[17:54:56] <DexterF> jim: 7.9. royally confused.
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2688[17:55:00] <Nimms> tinyhippo, you're welcome.
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2690[17:55:21] <jim> DexterF, we could try upgrading it...
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2692[17:56:26] <jim> DexterF, (don't edit anything yet)
first, run apt-get update then
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2693[17:56:43] <jim> run apt-get -d dist-upgrade
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2697[17:57:41] <jim> this would get the packages for bringing
your wheezy uptodate (make sure /var has plenty of space)
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2700[18:00:20] <jim> (which is a precursor step for upgrading
beyond that)
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2717[18:04:59] <ash12345678> does anyone have a few nminutes to
give some advice to an idiot?
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2722[18:05:51] <ash12345678> regarding ethernet bridges
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2724[18:07:32] <jim> ash12345678, you should ask... put as much
info as you know, and especially say something about what your goal
is
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2727[18:08:55] <p0g0> ash12345678: what is the question?
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2728[18:08:56] <ash12345678> jim I am using rasbian for the
raspberry pi. I have a wireless network x.x.0.1 to x.x.0.254, and I
am connected to that wirelessly. I want to connect a printer via
ethernet to this network on the same subnet
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2730[18:09:15] <p0g0> wireless to wired bridges are funny...
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2731[18:09:25] <ash12345678> p0g0 I gathered :3
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2732[18:09:40] <p0g0> they odn't have all the header info
the ehternet packet does.
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2733[18:09:44] <p0g0> *don't
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2734[18:09:45] <cluelessperson> okay, SERIOUSLY, wtf is this
systemd bullcrap
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2735[18:10:00] <cluelessperson> it can't seem to handle a
basic server installation without causing problems
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2737[18:10:30] <jim> ash12345678, what I do is put the wireless
ap on one subnet, and a switch on another, and run ipmasq on a box
with 3 eths
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2739[18:10:37] <DexterF> cluelessperson: how so?
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2740[18:10:48] <p0g0> ash12345678: I am not familiar with
rasbian, but you should be able to do a routed solution.
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2741[18:11:07] <cluelessperson> DexterF, so, if another SSD
that's encrypted fails to mount via crypttab, the system drive
won't boot
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2743[18:11:14] <jim> cluelessperson, pretty frustrating I gather
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2745[18:11:29] <cluelessperson> DexterF, I installed mysql
server, decided I wanted to redo it, uninstalled, reinstalled, and
it remarks that it's STILL RUNNING from before
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2747[18:11:38] <cluelessperson> so systemd failed to stop it
quickly
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2748[18:12:02] <cluelessperson> DexterF, The way I see it, , the
move towards systemd has produced major instability in Debian
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2749[18:12:04] <DexterF> jim: the OS is on raid1, my plan is:
power down, remove one disk, set it aside as a "backup",
boot degraded, upgrade, re-add disk when all is working.
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2750[18:12:13] <cluelessperson> jim, I don't know what to do
or how to handle this
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2754[18:13:44] <DexterF> cluelessperson: uninstalled with apt? I
would have expected it to stop it as well, but maybe it did not for
some reason.
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2755[18:14:16] <cluelessperson> DexterF, Yes. apt-get purge
mysql-server
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2756[18:14:18] <jim> DexterF, that sounds risky... I never dealt
with raid
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2757[18:14:35] <cluelessperson> jim, Raids aren't so bad.
Just make sure to watch for failing drives.
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2759[18:15:21] <DexterF> cluelessperson, jim, the real issue is
the media server raid5 behind that... but that's
"only" data, does not affect booting
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2760[18:15:35] <DexterF> I rather try that I think
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2761[18:15:37] <cluelessperson> Removing mysql-server
(5.5.47-0+deb8u1) ...
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2762[18:15:37] <cluelessperson> Setting up mysql-server-5.5
(5.5.47-0+deb8u1) ...
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2763[18:15:41] <cluelessperson> WTF is this doing
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2769[18:18:06] <cluelessperson> DexterF, now it's just
sitting there, stuck
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2770[18:18:15] <cluelessperson> I don't want to setup mysql,
I want to purge it
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2771[18:18:16] <cluelessperson> wtf
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2773[18:18:50] <DexterF> jim, mayber that upgrade to 8 isnt such
a brillant idea with what we hear right now ;)
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2777[18:20:00] <cluelessperson> DexterF, 8 is fine.
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2779[18:20:43] <jim> DexterF, yeah, I'm running it now, as a
result of an upgrade from wheezy
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2781[18:21:02] <DexterF> ok, ill shutdown the machine and upgrade
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2784[18:21:12] <DexterF> with one disk out in case all goes fubar
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2785[18:21:45] <jim> I don;t understand why having that disk in
would cause a fubar?
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2787[18:22:17] <DexterF> well, I pull one mirror from the raid 1,
so if the upgrade goes worng I can still boot from the mirror and
rebuild from there
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2791[18:22:49] <jim> oh, so you want an indep backup
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2792[18:23:37] <DexterF> jim: yes. I don't have the capacity
to backup the media raid right now, but mdadm is pretty stable. the
array even assemlbes from live linuxes, so... well.
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2793[18:24:32] <DexterF> !upgrade
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2794[18:24:32] <dpkg> from memory, upgrade is what keeps your box
from getting r00ted, or what you do with aptitude. Do an aptitude
update first, and then an aptitude upgrade. Ask me about
<security>. If you upgrade to a new stable version of Debian,
read its release notes first. Ask me about
<squeeze->wheezy> <wheezy->jessie>.
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2795[18:24:56] <DexterF> !wheezy->jessie
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2797[18:26:25] <jelly> dpkg, tell DexterF about msg the bot
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2798[18:26:26] <DexterF> upgrading 7 to 8 will move to systemd on
its own?
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2799[18:27:02] <DexterF> jelly: got it
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2800[18:27:11] <jelly> DexterF: by default, yes. It's
docummented in the release notes. See also /msg dpkg jessie sysvinit
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2807[18:29:08] <asd213> Hi. Anybody else getting: "W: Failed
to fetch
replaced-url
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2808[18:29:44] <asd213> The file doesn't seem to exist on
any of the mirrors
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2811[18:32:16] <jmcnaught> cluelessperson: the package
mysql-server is a meta package the pulls in the latest mysql, for
jessie that's mysql-server-5.5. why do you instantly jump to
blaming systemd? it's you who is not checking what they're
doing
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2814[18:33:00] <jelly> asd213: can you manually rm
/var/lib/apt/lists/*jessie-backports*Translation-en and do an update
again
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2825[18:35:43] <asd213> jelly: Now the error is: ....W: Failed to
fetch ..... Translation-en Hash Sum mismatch; Still not working.
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2829[18:36:10] <cluelessperson> jmcnaught, because as far as I
can tell, systemd failed to shutdown mysql correctly, so I finished
purging mysql, to find it's still running in memory with lock
files
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2830[18:36:18] <cluelessperson> jmcnaught, which broke dpkg
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2832[18:36:53] <jelly> asd213: I guess it's possible
httpredir is giving you a mirror with incompletely synced
jessie-backports
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2833[18:37:08] <jelly> !which hdn
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2834[18:37:09] <dpkg> To see which mirror you are being sent to
by the <httpredir.debian.org> redirector, substitute the
appropriate release and architecture into the following: «wget
-O/dev/null --max-redirect=0
replaced-url
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2835[18:37:48] <jelly> asd213: ^^ do that but with the
replaced-url
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2836[18:37:50] <jmcnaught> cluelessperson: did you remove
"mysql-server-5.5"?
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2841[18:38:44] <asd213> jelly. The site returns HTTP 404. So the
file doesn't exist
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2843[18:39:14] <cluelessperson> jmcnaught, yes.
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2846[18:41:21] <asd213>
debian.mirror.iphh.net/debian/dists/jessie-backports/main/i18n/Translation-en
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2849[18:42:11] <asd213> it will probably work later..ty
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2852[18:42:50] <julius> hi
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2867[18:47:22] <julius> ive got a package: libqt4-opengl-dev
which has unmet dependencies...how do you troubleshoot that?
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2868[18:47:38] <julius>
replaced-url
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2887[18:53:55] <DexterF> on apt-get dist-upgrade I get a metric
ton of packages that are "kept back", like chromium or
dpkg. how come?
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2912[18:59:12] <Gamenoob> Hello I have problem with an old pc
which I intended to use as server. I tried to install debian without
desktop enviroment and I cant get working wifi. I figured that out
when I tried to update. But when I installed gnome wifi worked out
out of the box. With desktop enviroment pc gets really slow(256 mb
ram ) so I would like to use it without desktop.. If anybody can
help please
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2917[19:00:24] <Nimms> Gamenoob,
replaced-url
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2921[19:00:41] <atralheaven> hi, how can I limit a user's
pam login to one login at a time? like user is logged in, if he
tries to log in from another place, the first one log out. is it
possible? thanks.
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2931[19:02:39] <menace> atralheaven: limits.conf
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2933[19:03:02] <Gamenoob> Nimms but I cant install it
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2934[19:03:16] <Gamenoob> I dont have connection
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2936[19:03:46] <atralheaven> menace: on googling I saw it, but I
didn't understand how it can be used in my case. may you
explain more?
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2937[19:03:48] <Nimms> Gamenoob, it is probably installed
already.
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2942[19:04:25] <Gamenoob> I think I tried everything there but
will do again
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2943[19:04:27] <menace> you need to write an entry into
/etc/security/limits.conf. e.g. @sudousers hard maxsyslogins 1
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2945[19:04:42] <menace> then every user in sudousers will only
login one at a time.
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2948[19:05:20] <menace> it is a bit problematic in my experience,
since some executables may be in the same group, so you should
create extra groups for your users.
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2950[19:05:48] <menace> @companyusers hard maxsyslogins 1
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2951[19:05:49] <menace> * hard maxsyslogins 0
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2952[19:06:15] <menace> could be two example lines. you should
try and work with that limits on your systems to understand it.
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2955[19:06:24] <pavlz> $
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2956[19:06:27] <menace> preferable in a virtualmachine.
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2959[19:06:42] <atralheaven> menace: I think I can create a group
for that.
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2960[19:06:48] <atralheaven> menace: Im using PAM to auth openvpn
clients, and there is no client certs, only pam, I want to limit
each client to one connection at a time, not more, now they can
connect to as many as places they want with one user/pass.
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2962[19:07:01] <atralheaven> menace: that's why I need that
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2971[19:08:05] <menace> at least a systemadministrator should be
able to login, even if normal users are not allowed, otherwise
disaster may occur.
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2974[19:08:38] <atralheaven> menace: sure, I can login
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2976[19:09:02] <menace> well, we do not do remote root login at
all... well :)
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2977[19:09:05] <atralheaven> menace: is it as simple as making a
new group, and adding existing users to it, and then adding this
rule?
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2980[19:10:12] <atralheaven> menace: not root, its disabled on
ssh, but when I logged in as a normal user, I can sudo to do things
that I need
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2981[19:10:25] <menace> in general, yes. but if you do not know
the system and just add it without knowledge of perhaps custom
programs, you may shoot yourself in the foot. the normal principle
to know what you're doing is still valid.
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2983[19:10:47] <menace> so, but what do you do, if another user
is already logged in, and you only can see the bug, if he is logged
in?
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2984[19:10:55] <menace> and you cannot login because only one
user is allowed?
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2985[19:11:47] <menace> please, play with the tools instead of
just adding some rule to etc-files because of irc-snippets from some
random internet-stranger :(
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2987[19:12:11] <atralheaven> no, thats not what Im looking for, I
want each user be able to authenticate with PAM once in a time, not
from multiple places at the same time
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2992[19:13:00] <menace> ah, okay.
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2993[19:13:02] <menace> hrm
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2995[19:13:14] <DexterF> for a realtek 8169 I need a firmware
package when upgrading to 8 or I'll shut myself out?
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2996[19:13:34] <menace> i'm not sure, if limits.conf can
handle that case.
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2998[19:14:33] <atralheaven> menace: mmm any other solution? I
think you got what im looking for
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2999[19:14:45] <menace> theoretically maxlogins limits.conf(5)
instead of maxsyslogins should do that.
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3000[19:15:27] <atralheaven> menace: if I had certs, openvpn
itself would do that, but this time we only use PAM to auth
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3001[19:15:33] <atralheaven> I will check it out
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3003[19:15:56] <menace> then the same user may only login the
specified number of logins. but that may hamper the application
space (like with sudo perhaps). depends on the use case. try it out.
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3014[19:20:59] <DexterF> ok. update sources.list, apt-get update,
dist-upgrade, even twice, not seeing the new 3.16 kernel in boot
configs. it does not quite feel like all is done, especially with a
lot of packages held back
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3015[19:21:07] <DexterF> what should I do next?
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3020[19:22:08] <CrackerJack> DexterF testing
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3021[19:22:13] <CrackerJack> ir sid
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3022[19:22:18] <CrackerJack> or sid
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3023[19:22:32] <DexterF> CrackerJack: wheezy to jessie, oldstable
to stable
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3025[19:23:10] <CrackerJack> nikolov@ubuntu-ivan:~$ inxi -F
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3026[19:23:10] <CrackerJack> System: Host: ubuntu-ivan Kernel:
4.6.0-040600rc1-generic x86_64 (64 bit)
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3027[19:23:10] <CrackerJack> Desktop: Unity 7.4.0 Distro: Ubuntu
16.04 xenial my kernel to young born bu good
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3028[19:23:14] <CrackerJack> but
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3029[19:23:15] <abrotman> CrackerJack: please don't tell
;people that
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3030[19:23:30] <CrackerJack> ok
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3031[19:23:30] <abrotman> DexterF: what are you trying to do?
Install the 4.x kernel from backports?
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3032[19:23:36] <jmcnaught> DexterF: dist-upgrade is holding
packages back? can you make a paste with the command and output?
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3033[19:23:43] <CrackerJack> i am sory
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3038[19:24:37] <DexterF> jmcnaught:
replaced-url
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3039[19:25:01] <DexterF> abrotman: just upgrade from 7 to 8
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3042[19:26:35] <CrackerJack> DexterF use Aptitude and debug
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3044[19:26:49] <CrackerJack> not apt-get
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3045[19:27:07] <abrotman> no
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3047[19:27:10] <abrotman> CrackerJack: please just stop
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3048[19:27:34] <CrackerJack> of ok
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3049[19:27:37] <abrotman> DexterF: pastebin "apt-cache
policy" ; do you have any packages held back?
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3060[19:31:13] <DexterF> abrotman:
replaced-url
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3061[19:31:47] <DexterF> abrotman: you'll notice the deb-mm
repos, I had to keep it else dist-upgrade would go very deep down
the rabbit hole
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3069[19:33:10] <siloxid> has anyone here installed jessie on an
asus zenbook ux305? are the hardware components supported ok?
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3070[19:33:31] <Walakea> i have asus not zenbook but quite new
laptop
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3073[19:33:59] <atralheaven> siloxid: you can try live, see if
everything is ok?
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3074[19:33:59] <jmcnaught> DexterF: do you get any packages
listed from "dpkg --get-selections | grep
'hold$'" or "aptitude search ~ahold"? Also
what do you mean by down the rabbit hole? Can you show what happens
with debian multimedia removed?
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3075[19:34:03] <Walakea> wifi not working by defualt
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3078[19:35:53] <DexterF> jmcnaught: both hold queries yield
nothing. when I disabled dmm and updated, dist-upgrade complained
about various packages that would break, and removing them generated
further dependency problem, so I'd have to track down on and on
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3079[19:36:05] <DexterF> I thus thought I better try and keep the
dmm repos
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3080[19:36:16] <DexterF> I can try again, hang on
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3081[19:36:43] <jmcnaught> siloxid: if it's a skylake you
might need to use the kernel and intel video driver from
jessie-backports. also make sure it doesn't have the crappy
mediatek wifi that Walakea's has
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3082[19:37:08] <siloxid> atralheaven: no, actually I was asking
before I buy one because if it doesn't support it well I would
look elsewhere
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3083[19:37:16] <Walakea> thanks
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3084[19:37:59] <Walakea> i would like to know how you fare after
you buy it
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3085[19:38:01] <atralheaven> siloxid: o ok
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3088[19:38:22] <jhutchins> siloxid: There are a few databases
that try to track what versions of Linux work on what hardware, but
they rely on users to report results, and they're notoriously
incomplete.
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3089[19:38:22] <jmcnaught> DexterF: "/msg dpkg dmm
remove" has instructions on removing this repo and its packages
which might help
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3091[19:39:20] <DexterF> jmcnaught: I actually already did what
dpkg suggested
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3093[19:40:13] <abrotman> DexterF: if you explicitly install
chromium, what does it say?
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3096[19:41:04] <DexterF> abrotman:
replaced-url
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3097[19:41:37] * DexterF looks outside and all is yellow
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3100[19:42:09] <jmcnaught> DexterF: i'm taking a closer look
at your "apt-cache policy" output, and i see the
jessie/updates repo, but then it looks like everything else is set
to wheezy
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3101[19:42:17] <teraflops> DexterF: consider not using pastebin
for the sake of humanity
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3102[19:42:34] <abrotman> DexterF: aptitude search
'~ahold'
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3103[19:42:52] <abrotman> jmcnaught: well, that'd explain
all sorts of issues :(
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3104[19:42:54] <jmcnaught> DexterF:
replaced-url
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3107[19:43:52] <greycat> Is pastebin.ca also considered bad? I
know some people hate pastebin.com.
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3108[19:43:53] <DexterF> let me review the sources
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3109[19:43:58] <atralheaven> menace: is "maxlogins" a
soft limit or a hard one?!
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3110[19:44:05] <DexterF> teraflops: ?
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3112[19:44:49] <teraflops> greycat: ah hmm, they are not the
same? then I apologize
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3114[19:45:07] <greycat> To be sure, there are many horrible
ones.
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3115[19:45:18] <DexterF> jmcnaught, abrotman, I, um, I missed a
wheezy entry.
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3122[19:45:39] <teraflops> DexterF: nah nvm
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3123[19:45:50] <stoffl> Hi! One question: I've overseen that
Debian 6 has no updates anymore. I'd need to upgrade a server
to debian 7. What is the best way to do so?
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3124[19:46:04] <jmcnaught> DexterF: you can make a paste of your
sources.list{.d} if you want them peer reviewed
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3125[19:46:05] <abrotman> dpkg: tell stoffl about
squeeze->wheezy
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3127[19:46:09] <siloxid> jhutchins: yeah. this is bad but I
assumed that site wouldn't have anything about the ux305
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3129[19:46:16] <ychaouche> Hello #debian
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3130[19:46:17] <DexterF> stoffl: make sure you changed all
sources to wheezy -.-
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3131[19:46:51] <DexterF> huge upgrade coming in now. sorry about
the fuzz...
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3134[19:47:12] <ychaouche> in reportbug, is there a way for me to
read a bug report ?
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3141[19:50:19] <siloxid> I made the mistake of getting a Lenovo
S21e and the trackpad, wifi and hard drive aren't supported so
it's completely useless
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3142[19:50:36] <siloxid> so I'm a bit gunshy of hardware
support ATM
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3145[19:52:06] <DexterF> siloxid: how is a hard drive not
supported?
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3147[19:52:16] <jmcnaught> siloxid: used computers usually have
better hardware support in debian. the cutting edge stuff is
sometimes too far ahead. also better for the environment :)
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3150[19:53:33] <DexterF> lenovo T series ftw. worth every penny.
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3151[19:54:06] <DexterF> and then I have to say, I'd go for
that popular debian derivate on mobile devices
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3164[19:59:29] <siloxid> DexterF: the OS can't see it
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3172[20:01:14] <siloxid> so when you're trying to install
debian, you get stuck at that point unless you want to install to a
USB hard drive or USB stick or some other attachable device
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3176[20:02:32] <siloxid> I ended up installing to a 32GB usb
stick that only sticks out a few MM when plugged in, but after a few
months it got bumped and the entire system suddenly became
unbootable
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3177[20:02:37] <DexterF> siloxid: that whing has an integrated
32gb flash drive then? sounds like chipset issue. I'd really
give xub16.04lts nightly a whirl, might fare you better
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3178[20:02:56] <DexterF> or get a T series :)
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3205[20:18:43] <droo> hey
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3206[20:19:03] <droo> can you recommend me any good online
resources/tutorials to learn advance linux command line?
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3208[20:19:25] <droo> I know bash, I know easy commands (like id,
ls, vi, etc)
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3209[20:19:28] <droo> wanna learn something more
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3210[20:19:43] <atralheaven> menace: I came back to using
certs... only using pam is easier to maintain and may be good for
user's anonymity, but using certs + auth is a safer method to
auth, and I've been working with this method and I know it
well. thank you for your help anyway!
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3213[20:20:27] <menace> ok :)
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3218[20:21:44] <tacomaster> how can i download unetbootin?
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3223[20:23:45] <bin_bash> ...
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3226[20:24:19] <bin_bash> tacomaster:
replaced-url
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3229[20:25:22] <jmcnaught> tacomaster: it looks like unetbootin
got dropped for Jessie. Are you trying to prepare a bootable USB
stick with the Debian installer? If so, unetbootin isn't the
right tool anyways
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3263[20:41:51] <technohehl> Does anybody of you know, when Debian
9 will be released?
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3266[20:42:35] <Kobaz> anyone know any other hardware accelerated
remote desktop clients, other than remmina
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3271[20:43:57] <ponyofdeath> hi, why is tomcat not picking up the
LC_* vars from /etc/default/locale do i need them in
/etc/default/tomcat6 too?
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3272[20:44:25] <greycat> If tomcat is a daemon launched by
sysvinit or by systemd, it doesn't read the login/PAM configs.
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3275[20:44:48] <ponyofdeath> so i need to modify its init script?
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3277[20:45:21] <greycat> I would have to defer to someone who
knows tomcat.
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3286[20:47:41] <technohehl> Maybe there is a Channel on Freenode
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3288[20:48:24] <dontknow> technohehl, two years later
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3294[20:49:55] <dontknow> stable has 3 years without lts part.
and after that 3 years a new version will be released
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3297[20:52:05] <technohehl> Thanks
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3300[20:52:32] <TomTomTosch> technohehl, usually there is a
release every two years. jessie is out for a year so probably in
about a year.
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3332[21:03:28] <ychaouche> Hello #debian
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3337[21:04:17] <ychaouche> how many time approx. between sending
email to ###@bugs.debian.org and seeing it online ?
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3341[21:05:12] <ychaouche> oops, caught up
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3343[21:05:17] <ychaouche> o/
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3345[21:05:29] <teraflops> impatience ...
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3356[21:08:07] <fred1807> if fsck number is set at fstab, will
the system fsck the partition at every boot or only after X mounts ?
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