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1[00:00:12] <zinx> medmed: no. i've just always seen that listed as a con.
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10[00:01:26] <CutMeOwnThroat> jim, well, seems to have problems on replaced-url
11[00:01:29] <CutMeOwnThroat> dpkg, tracker
12[00:01:29] <dpkg> CutMeOwnThroat: have you tried replaced-url
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14[00:01:59] <medmed> zinx, ah ok. guess TCO "can" also be a con imo. but here im referring to the intertia of devs with low incentive to meet users needs.
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17[00:02:33] <medmed> imo should be in the end of that sentence.
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37[00:08:38] <medmed> i belive that what keeps a lot of companies away from open source software is the fixation on short term costs and habits.
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47[00:11:22] <Bliepo> medmed: I think it's habit mostly. Never underestimate the power of habit.
48[00:12:47] <chucklebug> Bliepo: not enough OSS folks in positions of power, I'd say.
49[00:13:00] <chucklebug> or a combination of all the above
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51[00:14:45] <medmed> Bliepo, chucklebug yup. i.m.e. OS software has to be twice as good as proprietary to be convincing b.c. the fact that its free is considered a negative.
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56[00:16:44] <chucklebug> i just inherited the IT role at my company. thankfully my predecessor likes OSS too. :)
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60[00:17:23] <medmed> chucklebug, good for you :)
61[00:17:51] <CutMeOwnThroat> sometimes the proprietary stuff is just better
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63[00:18:04] <chucklebug> very true.
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65[00:18:21] <chucklebug> depends so much on the application
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67[00:18:35] <medmed> CutMeOwnThroat, sometimes yes. But sometimes its complete (expensive) garbage. Like for instance SAS vs. R.
68[00:19:15] <CutMeOwnThroat> mmh. I don't think they fullfill the same function
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70[00:19:22] <CutMeOwnThroat> not quite.
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72[00:19:44] <medmed> ok, well SAS vs. R for statistical programming and reporting.
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74[00:20:06] <medmed> im sure SAS is better for "Business analytics" but thats only 5% of the usecases.
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76[00:21:32] <CutMeOwnThroat> we should really move this to #debian-offtopic … I just didn't say that earlier because I'm going to bed "any moment" for the last hour or so
77[00:22:06] <medmed> CutMeOwnThroat, right ok. good point. if ur going to bed we can just kill it now :)
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79[00:23:04] <CutMeOwnThroat> yeah. funnily I distribute the licenses for SAS at my place… only have a very rough idea what exactly the different people do with it, though
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81[00:23:11] <flugger> what is the best video player for jessie?
82[00:23:18] <CutMeOwnThroat> dpkg, best
83[00:23:19] <dpkg> Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis!
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85[00:23:40] <wonderfulmee> Aretha Franklin, no question about it
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87[00:24:46] <flugger> :)
88[00:24:47] <wonderfulmee> on another note, do we still have to manually patch gdm in Debian rolling in order to allow it incoming TCP connections (the --listen option)?
89[00:25:09] <flugger> what is your favorite video player on debian?
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91[00:25:50] <CutMeOwnThroat> dpkg, popcon
92[00:25:50] <dpkg> from memory, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest, the basis for what packages appear on the first few CDs/DVDs etc (by rank). Install the popularity-contest package to participate. See the results at replaced-url
93[00:25:51] <CutMeOwnThroat> :P
94[00:26:07] <CutMeOwnThroat> apt-cache search video player |grep -i play shows 70 packages
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97[00:27:01] <CutMeOwnThroat> I still lake mplayer, and there's the clone mpv and vlc of course there's kde/gnome guis for mplayer as well
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101[00:27:23] <CutMeOwnThroat> I think that should be about the major ones
102[00:27:25] <flugger> okay right, I'm aware of the options
103[00:27:45] <flugger> and I've read where some have said VLC has been a but buggy as of late
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105[00:27:56] <flugger> so, was curious to the current state of what people like
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107[00:28:13] <CutMeOwnThroat> mpv can play youtube urls!
108[00:28:33] <medmed> CutMeOwnThroat, wrote to u at debian-offtopic
109[00:28:35] <flugger> I've always been VLC.. but didn't want to blindly grab it if it's shit
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111[00:28:57] <medmed> flugger, why would it be shit? :P
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113[00:29:28] <flugger> as I said, I thought I've read that is' been buggy as of late on linux
114[00:29:40] <CutMeOwnThroat> heh, see, I never liked vlc
115[00:29:47] <flugger> could have been a specific release.. I don't recall
116[00:29:57] <medmed> flugger, i havent had any problems quite the opposite.
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120[00:31:29] <flugger> SMPlayer look sinteresting..
121[00:31:35] <medmed> flugger, do you need to play exotic formats?
122[00:31:44] <flugger> nah, not really
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127[00:33:25] <medmed> flugger, vlc is awesome for a lot of stuff. Lots of config options that are ok easy to manage. But if you just need to play files - no need for vlc.
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129[00:34:03] <flugger> yeah so, I've used VLC on other platforms for like 20+ years
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131[00:34:14] <flugger> perfectly familiar with it
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134[00:34:23] <flugger> on linux.. not so much
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136[00:34:35] <flugger> so I'm just kind of getting some opinions, so that's good to hear
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146[00:37:06] <flugger> ..and I've found that totem blows
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161[00:41:02] <medmed> flugger, start from one end and try them out :P
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164[00:42:05] <flugger> yup
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185[00:53:41] <ryouma> i have a file vlc doesn't play. can i find out why and fix it or do i try smplayer or what, for this type of case?
186[00:53:48] <ryouma> it plays audio only
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188[00:55:44] <th0r> ryouma, is it an mp3 file?
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191[00:56:24] <medmed> ryouma, did you install all codecs etc?
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194[00:58:35] <]Anonymous[> "THIS is REAL reason why Germany had to be destroyed and the so-called "allies" have perpetuated their own financial slavery ever since. Instead of listening and believing all of the lies you've heard all of your lives, get this book and see/read the Truth for yourself for once."
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201[00:59:39] <SpeakerToMeat> Hello all.
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203[00:59:50] <anonrebel244> anyone here know how to use joy2key to set it up with an xbox360 controller? I'm trying to play games on VBA
204[01:00:12] <debkad> ryouma, if you have ffmpeg installed you can see what codec inside it, ffmpeg -i your_file or ffprobe your_file
205[01:00:31] <debkad> you can also try to play it with ffplay ( that also come with ffmpeg )
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215[01:02:06] <ryouma> debkad: thanks, will try
216[01:02:18] <SpeakerToMeat> Question, trying to build a package, I manually got the orig (also had the file downloaded from upstream it's equal), and debian files... but the build is failing on the build fase while doing dh_autoreconf due to configure.in (no .ac) being in a subdirectory called ./autoreconf/ which the debian package actually knows since there's one patch that patches both ./configure and ./autoreconf/configure.in and the
217[01:02:21] <SpeakerToMeat> patch works flawlessly... is there any setting I can pass to autoreconf (via dh_autoreconf helper) that will tell it the .in file's in a subdir?,
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225[01:07:11] <anonrebel244> I can't find clear directions how joy2key works
226[01:07:16] <anonrebel244> it's all for ubuntu
227[01:07:17] <ixor> debian 8.6
228[01:07:26] <ixor> how do i get firmware-nonfree
229[01:07:29] <ixor> ?
230[01:07:46] <debkad> by downloading and installing
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233[01:08:43] <anonrebel244> is there an IRC I can ask about joy2key or game emulators to run on debian?
234[01:08:45] <SpeakerToMeat> Oh well, I just skipped autoreconf entirely
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238[01:11:26] <medmed> ixor, go to your repository file and replace "main" with "non-free contrib main" (if you dont have contrib atm).
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266[01:23:09] <debkad> where to see the fails when reboot or shutdown
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272[01:24:44] <ixor> medmed: that worked!! I love it when things work!
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275[01:25:07] <medmed> ixor, me 2 :)
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278[01:26:13] <mtcj> I just spent several days without a functioning script due to an API change I didn't feel like addressing.
279[01:26:24] <mtcj> Took me about 15 minutes to address.
280[01:26:34] <mtcj> :b
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290[01:29:39] <debkad> need a help when i apt-get update ==> replaced-url
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295[01:30:42] <ixor> This just in: mawk 250x as fast as hadoop for big data
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313[01:38:02] <adaba> Hi, does anyone know how to modify the path returned by "which php" command?
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323[01:42:40] <ixor> well echo $PATH
324[01:42:54] <ixor> and if you want do something like
325[01:43:20] <ixor> PATH=/opt/myphp:$PATH in like .bashrc or /etc/profile of something
326[01:43:28] <ixor> export $PATH
327[01:43:57] <adaba> ixor: I export the path to the ampps php dir but the problem is when I do "which php" it adds an extra php at the end of the path, so /usr/local/ampps/php/bin (right) becomes /usr/local/ampps/php/bin/php (wrong)
328[01:44:09] <ixor> replaced-url
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331[01:44:34] <ixor> post the line
332[01:44:38] <ixor> something is fishy
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335[01:45:38] <adaba> ixor: export PATH=/usr/local/ampps/php/bin:$PATH
336[01:45:50] <ixor> and echo $PATH
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338[01:46:43] <adaba> ixor: /usr/local/ampps/php/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games
339[01:47:12] <ixor> is there and executable called php in there?
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341[01:47:23] <ixor> been a few years since I messed wit php
342[01:47:35] <ixor> do a php -v
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344[01:47:39] <ixor> anything happen?
345[01:48:14] <adaba> ixor: yeah it's the right php used
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353[01:52:58] <jim> is there a deb-src line that works for jessie-backports?
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369[02:05:48] <jim> I think I got it... I used the same source line I did for the binary packages, and just turned deb to deb-src
370[02:06:04] <jim> it seemed to work
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372[02:06:27] <medmed> jim, yup should work
373[02:07:13] <jim> since I added it to my sources.list.m4, I can turn it on and off :)
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404[02:20:05] <ixor> I am really enjoying icewm on 8.6 and firefox with ublock!
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406[02:20:09] <ixor> the net is mine!!
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408[02:21:11] <mathu> jessie applied an irssi hotfix according to replaced-url
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412[02:24:15] <jmcnaught> mathu: sid doesn't get security support the way stable does. the package will get updated when the maintainer updates it through the normal process
413[02:25:05] <mathu> jmcnaught: ah, yeah, that makes sense
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418[02:26:35] <mathu> (i actually forgot that sid is unstable, i thought it was the new release haha)
419[02:27:11] <themill> 0.8.20-1 was uploaded yesterday and is heading to a mirror near you
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424[02:28:09] <themill> (actually, about 4 hours ago, now I look at the TZs more carefully)
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429[02:30:02] * zykotick9 really liked getting a message from freenode about irssi, running apt upgrade/update and seeing irssi already available. Thank you debian security!
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433[02:31:27] <mathu> themill: nice nice
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435[02:31:29] <mathu> ty
436[02:31:48] <mathu> i'm a gentoo user, i just use debian on my VPS and for some reason put it on sid...? i do not know why
437[02:32:09] <mathu> so, yeah, pardon my noobishness, i should have thought for a second haha
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471[02:56:22] <jmcnaught> mathu: stable is a much better choice for a server
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492[03:06:56] <icarious> Hi. Does Debian sign its sources as it does the binaries? I was checking replaced-url
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499[03:09:20] <somiaj> icarious: I thought the signature was when access the sources through apt (so in the various files apt gets when apt-get update runs). If you just download the .deb or the source you avoid the signing.
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502[03:10:55] <somiaj> icarious: in that case I think if you use apt (with a deb-src) line you will get source packages that are signed (but I'm unsure on the details here)
503[03:11:24] <icarious> Ok
504[03:11:51] <icarious> and where does debian host its git? Wanted to check the changes Debian made to Firefox. specially with the openh264 blob
505[03:12:02] <somiaj> icarious: replaced-url
506[03:12:11] <somiaj> might tell you more about how the signature work.
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508[03:12:27] <alex1a> which is the best decent ftp server package for a few client users, 3/4
509[03:12:36] <alex1a> vsftp ?
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511[03:13:12] <alex1a> i'm on debian jessie with a celeron single core 2.8 and 512mb ram with 30% usage
512[03:13:21] <somiaj> alex1a: depends on what you mean by decent ftp. Any reason just using sshd with sftp won't work for your use?
513[03:13:41] <somiaj> alex1a: but that one will work and seems to have some support if you want to use an insecure ftp server.
514[03:13:49] <alex1a> i'm using sftp somiaj, but speeds seems to be very low
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517[03:15:28] <somiaj> alex1a: do you want users to be able to both upload and download files from this server, or just download?
518[03:15:41] <somiaj> alex1a: vsftp works, just realize someone sniffing your server can get users passwords.
519[03:16:03] <mathu> jmcnaught: stable is for sure better choice for a server, and i am surprised that at any point i chose unstable for a server haha
520[03:16:18] <somiaj> icarious: I don't think debian hosts everything on git and different matiners deal with thigns differently. the debian source package is probabaly the best bet as it will contain the original upstream source and all the debian specific patches.
521[03:16:27] <alex1a> somiaj, both, upload and download
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523[03:16:38] <alex1a> somiaj, vsftp is not secure ?
524[03:17:17] <somiaj> alex1a: I don't see how ftp + ssl is going to be faster than sftp through an ssh server.
525[03:17:53] <alex1a> i can't login in root by sftp, it's normal ?
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528[03:18:36] <somiaj> alex1a: it is normal in root to prevent root logins via password.
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530[03:19:03] <somiaj> alex1a: I mean in debian, since this is done through ssh. In my config I have, "PermitRootLogin prohibit-password" which I think is default
531[03:19:24] <alex1a> yeah, the recommended way it's to give permissions first, but any way to upload files with sudo permissions via sftp ? somiaj
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533[03:19:36] <alex1a> somiaj, hmm thanks
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535[03:20:42] <somiaj> alex1a: I would just not upload them as root.
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538[03:21:21] <somiaj> alex1a: you can also allow root login via password over ssh, this just means bots could try to crack your password for root.
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568[03:37:07] <tom99> somiaj: for ssh can you make it have time outs on password or 3 strikes and you're locked out policy?
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571[03:38:37] <somiaj> tom99: you can use software like fail2ban or denyhost that will do the 3 strikes your out.
572[03:38:46] <somiaj> tom99: but ssh itself I don't think has that feature.
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581[03:43:00] <marcidy> /help
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583[03:43:10] <marcidy> oh come on.
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611[03:56:40] <gerforce> hello, i created a openvpn server on my vps (debian jessie installed). After i started the openvpn.service, the status is 'active(exited)' and i could not find the tun0 interface.
612[03:56:57] <gerforce> I couldn't connect to it either.
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616[04:00:05] <jmcnaught> gerforce: if you put a foo.conf file in /etc/openvpn you can start and/or enable openvpn@foo.service
617[04:00:22] <jmcnaught> gerforce: take a look at /lib/systemd/system/openvpn@.service to see what it's doing
618[04:01:06] <gerforce> jmcnaught: i have put server.conf into /etc/openvpn
619[04:03:44] <jmcnaught> gerforce: so "systemctl start openvpn@server" (and then check its status)
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627[04:08:10] <gerforce> jmcnaught: First i stop the openvpn.service which was in active(exited) state. Then i run 'sudo systemctl start openvpn@server', now the status is inactive(dead).
628[04:08:25] <jmcnaught> gerforce: the status of what?
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630[04:09:09] <gerforce> jmcnaught: 'sudo systemctl status openvpn'
631[04:09:26] <jmcnaught> gerforce: check the status of openvpn@server
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633[04:09:42] <jmcnaught> gerforce: here is a blog entry about this feature of systemd: replaced-url
634[04:10:31] <gerforce> jmcnaught: it's up and running
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640[04:12:03] <gerforce> jmcnaught: i will read the article. Now i need to try to connect to it.
641[04:12:29] <gerforce> jmcnaught: Thanks! Good day.
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666[04:32:52] <Hanom1960> Hi, I've a problem installing debian
667[04:33:13] <Hanom1960> it dont detect my wireless card
668[04:33:40] <jmcnaught> Hanom1960: was there a stage during the installer where it asked you about missing firmwares?
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670[04:34:11] <Hanom1960> jmcnaught, my instalacion stop there.
671[04:34:18] <Hanom1960> I only get a blue screen
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674[04:34:51] <jmcnaught> Hanom1960: which installer ISO are you using?
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676[04:35:32] <Hanom1960> jmcnaught, debian-live-8.6.0-amd64-xfce-desktop.iso
677[04:36:01] <Hanom1960> When i use live mode, it cant detect my wireless card too
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679[04:36:18] <jmcnaught> Hanom1960: can you run "lspci -nn | grep -i net" ? I'd like to see the pci-id
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682[04:36:47] <Hanom1960> jmcnaught, 02:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8188CE 802.11b/g/n WiFi Adapter [10ec:8176] (rev 01)
683[04:36:50] <Hanom1960> 06:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Qualcomm Atheros AR8152 v2.0 Fast Ethernet [1969:2062] (rev c1)
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685[04:37:13] <jmcnaught> ,pciid 1969:2062
686[04:37:14] <judd> [1969:2062] is 'AR8152 v2.0 Fast Ethernet' from 'Qualcomm Atheros' with kernel module 'atl1c' in jessie. See also replaced-url
687[04:38:17] <jmcnaught> errr... wrong one
688[04:38:51] <Hanom1960> jmcnaught, i cant install?
689[04:38:53] <jmcnaught> Hanom1960: i recommend using an installer image, not a live image. Live images don't work with UEFI and have some other quirks.
690[04:39:09] <Hanom1960> jmcnaught, what image recommend you?
691[04:39:11] <jmcnaught> Hanom1960: i also recommend that you read replaced-url
692[04:39:34] <Hanom1960> Im using FreeBSD now, but i wanna use debian too.
693[04:39:51] <jmcnaught> Hanom1960: there's an image linked on that chapter of the install manual that includes non-free firmwares, or you can just use the image linked on the debian home page
694[04:40:16] <Hanom1960> jmcnaught, i dont like Gnome DE
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696[04:40:27] <Hanom1960> because i try with xfce image
697[04:40:32] <jmcnaught> (the whole install manual is worth reading, not just that chapter).. anyways when i said wrong one it's because i checked the pciid of your ethernet
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701[04:40:55] <jmcnaught> Hanom1960: :/ please use a netinst image, you can choose which desktop to install (or none) during the installation
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703[04:41:30] <Hanom1960> jmcnaught, i try with netinst image and cant detect my wireless card.
704[04:41:34] <jmcnaught> at the very least use an installer image, not a live image, and read that section of the installer manual for how to deal with missing firmwares
705[04:41:40] <Hanom1960> anyways, i can try now.
706[04:41:41] <tom99> jmcnaught: you can't get netinst for older distros and releases right? I looked and didn't see any
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709[04:42:10] <dvs> !tell Hanom1960 about firmware iso
710[04:42:13] <jmcnaught> Hanom1960: the solution is in replaced-url
711[04:42:48] <Hanom1960> dvs, thx
712[04:42:55] <dvs> no prob
713[04:43:00] <Hanom1960> jmcnaught, thanks. Im going to read.
714[04:43:21] <jmcnaught> for the record, that chapter of the install manual links to that firmware image and also explains the issue
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718[04:45:29] <Hanom1960> jmcnaught, my wireless card is actually non supported, really?
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723[04:46:19] <jmcnaught> tom99: replaced-url
724[04:46:40] <jmcnaught> ,pciid 10ec:8176
725[04:46:41] <judd> [10ec:8176] is 'RTL8188CE 802.11b/g/n WiFi Adapter' from 'Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.' with kernel module 'rtl8192ce' in jessie. See also replaced-url
726[04:47:07] <TomTomTo1> Hanom1960: how did you get that idea?
727[04:47:15] <jmcnaught> Hanom1960: it's supported, there's a wiki page about it ^ it just needs a firmware, please read the docs i linked twice for you
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739[04:52:37] <Hanom1960> I back soon
740[04:52:39] <Hanom1960> Brb
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786[05:34:28] <mado> Hello everyone : )
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788[05:34:40] <debkad> hello mado
789[05:34:48] <mado> debkad: ! hey there
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794[05:35:42] <mado> phew ... my apologies to you and others for not having made it back here sooner ... had some troubles of another kind and also was busy with some other things ... hope you're not mad ...
795[05:35:59] <dvs> !lart mado
796[05:35:59] * dpkg smacks mado up side the head with a clue-by-4
797[05:36:10] <mado> *chuckle*
798[05:36:12] <debkad> no we aren't
799[05:36:46] <mado> well someone thought a smack to the head was necessary ; ) ... but thanks ...
800[05:37:21] <mado> i came here right now also to ask you or someone else for some confirmation if i understood something correctly ...
801[05:38:08] <mado> my pen drive is -> /dev/sdb <- ... i wanted to reformat it and put the latest ISO on it ... for that i thought i would need to find out how to erase everything on it first though ... incl. this MBR or whatever thing that makes it bootable ...
802[05:38:14] <mado> so i came across this website here ...
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804[05:38:33] <mado> -> replaced-url
805[05:38:34] <ixor> anyone know howto save game for this starflight demo?
806[05:38:38] <ixor> replaced-url
807[05:38:44] <TomTomTo1> mado: you can just copy the iso to it. formating is redundant^^
808[05:38:48] <debkad> zero it
809[05:39:20] <debkad> mado, that link is good
810[05:39:22] <mado> they use this command here -> # dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdc bs=512 count=1
811[05:39:35] <debkad> yes
812[05:39:43] <jmcnaught> mado: is this for a Debian ISO?
813[05:39:43] <TomTomTo1> mado: MBR gets overwritten if you copy the iso to it.
814[05:39:44] <mado> so i thought i need to replace the /dev/sdc in the command with /dev/sdb
815[05:39:57] <debkad> change /dv/sdc to /dev/sdb ( if your pen drive is on sdb )
816[05:40:19] <mado> alright! ... yay! ... so i understood correctly, debkad ... i'm glad : )
817[05:40:27] <debkad> that correct what say TomTomTo1
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819[05:40:30] <mado> and yes, jmcnaught ... this is for the Debian live iso i got
820[05:40:57] <jmcnaught> mado: so as TomTomTo1 told you, you don't need to do this. copying the ISO to the drive will copy over the MBR
821[05:41:23] <jmcnaught> also if you are planning to install Debian on your computer, it's much better to use an installer image than a live one
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823[05:41:36] <mado> yes ... but that would only work if i already had one on it, wouldn't it?
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825[05:42:19] <mado> hmmm ... last time i was here i think i was told to get the live-iso ... now you're saying i could use a different one?
826[05:42:20] <jmcnaught> mado: no. you can buy a brand new USB stick, copy a Debian image to it
827[05:42:41] <mado> you mean like simply just putting an ISO file on a pen drive makes it bootable?
828[05:42:42] <jmcnaught> mado: whoever told you to use a live image to install didn't know what they're talking about
829[05:43:12] <jmcnaught> mado: yes. i highly recommend reading the install manual, there's a section on preparing the USB stick: replaced-url
830[05:43:35] <mado> i thought this was a bit like a CD maybe ... i remember having once burned an ISO file on a CD that didn't start (some more moons ago)
831[05:45:38] <jmcnaught> mado: this is the chapter about copying images to USB, but reading the install manual is a lot easier than trial and error and asking lots of questions: replaced-url
832[05:45:48] <mado> there's one problem, jmcnaught ... To prepare the USB stick, you will need a system where GNU/Linux is already running and where USB is supported.
833[05:46:06] <mado> yeah ... that's the chapter i just opened up too : )
834[05:46:13] <TomTomTo1> the manual also covers windows :P
835[05:46:41] <jmcnaught> mado: you were using dd a moment ago weren't you?
836[05:48:33] <mado> the link i showed debkad earlier uses some Linux commands, yes ... that's because i right now have Linux installed ... i just thought it'd be a good idea to start "from scratch" again and format it from Linux and then do as if i didn't have any Linux pre-installed and try and use this tool "Rufus" again to see if it works with the latest Debian-ISO
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839[05:48:44] <debkad> jmcnaught, i think dd used if the image is too big, he can use cp or cat too if it is not that big
840[05:49:27] <jmcnaught> debkad: dd, cp, and cat all work in fundamentally the same way
841[05:49:29] <TomTomTo1> mado: "The win32diskimager utility can be used under other operating systems to copy the image."
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843[05:49:44] <TomTomTo1> mado: other tools tend to break it.
844[05:50:00] <debkad> jmcnaught, agreed, but depend on who is fast when the image is small or big
845[05:50:25] <jmcnaught> debkad: cp will optimize automatically
846[05:50:29] <mado> Rufus did a nice job not breaking it last time, TomTomTo1 ... but i hear you ... : ) ... i'm glad there's something out there that is more reliable
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850[05:51:33] <debkad> my self i use prepusb for multi-boot, will test grub methode too in few days
851[05:53:12] <mado> prepusb sounds interesting too ... does this work with Windows-ISOs too?
852[05:53:44] <debkad> yeah it is from windows, i'm surprised why it is not in linux world as it use open source
853[05:53:50] <TomTomTo1> !rufus
854[05:53:51] <dpkg> rufus is a tool that can be used to make bootable USB devices under Windows. It is not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>.
855[05:53:55] <TomTomTo1> mado: ^
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857[05:54:23] <mado> how weird ... and i was told Rufus was a nice alternative ... i feel like i've entered a parallel world :D ...
858[05:54:27] <mado> also ... please correct me guys but ...
859[05:54:38] <debkad> the idea for prepusb is to put directly iso's file directly to use usb
860[05:54:42] <TomTomTo1> not for debians hybrid images.
861[05:54:42] <mado> manual: The CD or DVD image you choose should be written directly to the USB stick, overwriting its current contents. For example, when using an existing GNU/Linux system, the CD or DVD image file can be written to a USB stick as follows, after having made sure that the stick is unmounted:
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863[05:54:55] <mado> that's what jmcnaught talked about
864[05:55:00] <debkad> s/use/your
865[05:55:20] <mado> what i don't understand is ... how please can you copy something to a place that isn't mounted?
866[05:55:35] <mado> that doesn't make sense to me
867[05:55:42] <jmcnaught> mado: because you're copying to the device itself, not a filesystem mounted from the device
868[05:55:45] <TomTomTo1> you write directly to the block device, not a filesystem.
869[05:55:55] <TomTomTo1> oops, late^^
870[05:56:11] <debkad> and to prevent any damege may be too
871[05:56:16] <debkad> damage*
872[05:56:32] <mado> sooo help me please ... if the device isn't mounted ...
873[05:56:38] <mado> how would i know what it's called?
874[05:56:53] <debkad> /dev/sdXY
875[05:56:53] <TomTomTo1> you already said it's /dev/sdb
876[05:56:57] <debkad> the same name
877[05:57:03] <mado> yes but only because i plugged it in
878[05:57:13] <debkad> o_o
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880[05:57:17] <jmcnaught> or look at "lsblk" or "blkid" or the output of "dmesg" right after plugging it in
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882[05:57:33] <debkad> unmounted not mean is unpluged
883[05:57:34] <TomTomTo1> fdisk -l is what i use usually^^
884[05:57:37] <mado> Linux surely is fascinating :D
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886[05:57:49] <debkad> :D
887[05:57:57] <debkad> oops
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889[05:58:02] <debkad> got to go, have a good day all
890[05:58:10] <mado> areplaced-url
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892[05:58:18] <mado> i hope to see you soon though again debkad!
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895[05:58:57] <mado> sooo ... i still used the command there though to remove everything ... i wanted to see if i can format the pen drive : )
896[05:59:19] <mado> now let me try unmounting and unplugging it and this copy command you said earlier
897[06:00:20] <mado> forgive me though for still not properly understanding though how you can copy something to something that doesn't exist yet ... i'm a little slow at times ... and probably need some more understanding
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901[06:00:54] <jmcnaught> mado: the block device exists. instead of mounting a filesystem from the block device, you are copying directly to the block device
902[06:01:45] <mado> so what is this block device then? and will i be able to replace the stuff from the block device any time?
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904[06:02:36] <mado> and you also said i should or could use a different ISO
905[06:03:04] <mado> according to the manual -> Simply choose a CD or DVD image (such as the netinst, CD-1, DVD-1, or netboot) that will fit on your USB stick.
906[06:03:27] <mado> so i need to find CD-1, DVD-1, netinst or netboot
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909[06:04:08] <TomTomTo1> block devices are a buffer that let you write directly to the device.
910[06:05:23] <mado> is that the place where usually stuff gets written into that makes the device recognizable, etc ... that is responsible for letting me use the device?
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913[06:06:18] <TomTomTo1> it's the interface the kernel offers to that device.
914[06:06:47] <mado> okaaay ... still a little above my head but it's good to hear all this stuff, i think ...
915[06:07:20] <mado> silly question ... can one do something like that on Windows too? ... or what does a Windows system see if i were to plug the device in then?
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918[06:09:39] <mado> and TomTomTo1 ? ... i'm sorry but i'm a little confused right now ... i formatted the pen drive and did this one command for deleting the MBR because i wanted to try it out as well ...
919[06:09:55] <mado> i'm now trying to find out if the device is still mounted and plugged in or not ...
920[06:10:04] <mado> fdisk -l ... didn't work
921[06:10:15] <mado> lsblk ... showed me something
922[06:10:32] <mado> fdisk -l (didn't work because it said the command was not found)
923[06:10:50] <TomTomTo1> df -h can show you if somethink is mounted. fdisk is in /sbin/ so run as root.
924[06:10:54] <mado> in the file explorer i don't see it anywhere but that doesn't mean anything (at least on Windows machines)
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927[06:11:56] <mado> replaced-url
928[06:12:02] <mado> i guess this here means it isn't there?
929[06:12:17] <TomTomTo1> yes
930[06:12:38] <mado> okay ... why are there so many other things in there?
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932[06:13:05] <mado> i didn't create that many partitions
933[06:13:42] <TomTomTo1> that has nothing to do with partitions. those are fs mounted by your system.
934[06:13:50] <TomTomTo1> don't touch that^^
935[06:13:55] <mado> i won't ...
936[06:14:15] <mado> or i should rather say ... i will ... because i will try and reinstall everything again
937[06:14:48] <jmcnaught> mado: are you already on a Debian system?
938[06:15:14] <mado> yes, i am right now ... but i'd like to try install everything again ... this time i will choose English right away : )
939[06:15:39] <mado> part of my system is still in German even though i selected English ...
940[06:15:59] <mado> but that's not the only reason ... i just want to try installing it again : )
941[06:16:38] <mado> why do you ask, jmcnaught ?
942[06:16:43] <jmcnaught> mado: if you feel like it... or you could probably just run "dpkg-reconfigure locales"
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944[06:17:11] <mado> i played some with that ... and i think "debkad" originally wanted to help me with that some more too ...
945[06:17:13] <jmcnaught> it's probably more educational to fix issues on your existing Debian system than to go through the installer again
946[06:17:24] <mado> we had an appointment but i couldn't come online
947[06:17:32] <jmcnaught> mado: replaced-url
948[06:17:47] <mado> that may be so but i will need to play with the locale afterwards anyway : )
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951[06:19:01] <mado> reinstalling everything would let me use more of the hard disk too as i'm currently still dual booting ... i'm not sure yet if i will do so again but right now i just think i should also check out the installation again : ) ... also because maybe i can show to a family member that it is actually easier than they may think : )
952[06:19:48] <mado> so yes, jmcnaught ... i understand your point ... i hope i could explain mine a little bit too
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955[06:23:30] <jmcnaught> mado: fair enough. you can determine which device is your USB stick with lsblk, or by looking at dmesg right after plugging it in (or running fdisk -l as root). Otherwise I encourage you to read the rest of the install manual
956[06:24:00] <mado> : ) i'll check it out
957[06:24:18] <mado> i'm glad it's available in more than one language too
958[06:24:30] <mado> that way i can show it to more family members and friends : )
959[06:24:44] <jmcnaught> mado: good luck and good night :)
960[06:24:51] <mado> some of them only know one language, others know more : ) ... are you leaving jmcnaught ?
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962[06:25:15] <mado> i unfortunately only know two : ( ... but i hope i can learn at least one more
963[06:25:24] <jmcnaught> mado: yeah it's past my bed time and i have an early start tomorrow. if you run into problems there are lots of people here
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966[06:26:12] <TomTomTo1> jmcnaught: good night^^
967[06:26:16] <mado> yes but so far only you, debkad and TomTomTo1 have talked to me : )
968[06:26:33] <mado> but okay ... i wish you a good night and that you may have great day tomorrow
969[06:26:55] <mado> or "later" (in case it's past midnight for you already ; ) )
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971[06:27:22] <mado> TomTomTo1: ? ... will you stay? or are you leaving as well?
972[06:28:06] <TomTomTo1> it's morning here^^
973[06:28:25] <mado> okaaay : ) but that doesn't necessarily answer my question :)
974[06:29:02] <TomTomTo1> depends on weather i get told to do real work.
975[06:29:05] <mado> it could mean that morning time means you have to wake everyone up and prepare breakfast for instance or that you're about to rush out because of work, school, etc ...
976[06:29:21] <mado> *chuckle* hmmm ...
977[06:29:32] <mado> alright ... quick question then for you ; )
978[06:29:51] <mado> the cd-releases-website says -> The default desktop installed using debian-something-CD-1 is Gnome.
979[06:30:28] <mado> in other words ... only kde, xfce, lxde (and possibly others) have the desktop environment in their file name ...
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981[06:30:50] <TomTomTo1> not sure what software cd-1 contains, but the installer lets you select and download any DE.
982[06:30:52] <mado> debian-8.6.0-amd64-CD-1.iso 2016-09-17 17:47 629M ... is the one with GNOME
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985[06:31:17] <mado> any DE? ... hmmm ... okaaay
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987[06:31:42] <TomTomTo1> well, one of six or so.
988[06:32:01] <mado> yeah - i got you : )
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990[06:32:17] <mado> would or could you also like to give me some input as to why i should use a certain DE over an other?
991[06:33:03] <HeXiLeD> as i trying to chroot sftp with this, it s not allowing the user to connect replaced-url
992[06:33:03] <TomTomTo1> i really couldn't care less. it's taste. GNOME is popular, so are the others. i juse a simple wm instead of a DE.
993[06:33:07] <vvande> KDE is big and extremely configurable
994[06:33:19] <vvande> fluxbox is very minimal and fast
995[06:33:20] <TomTomTo1> * i just use
996[06:33:26] <vvande> xfce is just right
997[06:33:26] <HeXiLeD> dpkg: tell me about chroot sftp
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1005[06:35:15] <HeXiLeD> dpkg: knows nothing :|
1006[06:35:15] <dpkg> HeXiLeD: I wish you would RTFM.
1007[06:35:25] <mado> well vvande ... i'm new to many things ... i've only used Linux a little bit so far but i'm willing to learn ... my current computer as you may or may not have been told or read is slowly breaking down unfortunately but i have to keep on using it (i cannot afford buying anything new yet) ...
1008[06:35:26] <TomTomTo1> haha
1009[06:35:44] * HeXiLeD laughs
1010[06:35:49] <mado> please ... cursing isn't necessary
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1012[06:37:18] <mado> that's not meant rude or offensive but i don't think you guys and gals should curse : )
1013[06:37:28] <TomTomTo1> * and bots
1014[06:37:43] <mado> okay ... those too then ; )
1015[06:37:49] <HeXiLeD> who cursed ?
1016[06:38:10] <mado> "dpkg" i thought
1017[06:38:18] <mado> rtfm ... is cursing ... i was told
1018[06:38:22] <TomTomTo1> dpkg: shut up
1019[06:38:22] <dpkg> Kiss my shiny metal ass!
1020[06:38:23] <HeXiLeD> oh come on man, it's a bot
1021[06:38:26] <TomTomTo1> oy!
1022[06:38:37] <mado> HeXiLeD: ... i'm new here ...
1023[06:38:40] <mado> how would i know?
1024[06:38:42] <polyzen> mado, could also be read as "fine"
1025[06:38:53] <HeXiLeD> and it did not curse, it said ; read the fine manual
1026[06:38:56] <HeXiLeD> ;)
1027[06:39:06] <mado> yeah, yeah ... *chuckle* i hear you
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1029[06:39:19] <HeXiLeD> we got a pervert :P !
1030[06:39:23] * HeXiLeD laughs
1031[06:39:38] <mado> pardon? *confused*
1032[06:39:50] <HeXiLeD> all good man. Welcome around
1033[06:40:16] * HeXiLeD offers a bottle of S.Pellegrino
1034[06:41:12] <mado> side-note ... i know people of places such as this (IRC channels) have a different kind of humour at times ... i'm sorry if i understand some things at times literally or take something all too serious ...
1035[06:41:30] <mado> i'm still getting used to various things : )
1036[06:42:10] <mado> and i know this is just a virtual one but i will reply with a "no, thank you, HeXiLeD"
1037[06:42:16] <mado> and add a smile -> : )
1038[06:42:56] <HeXiLeD> you do not drink water ?
1039[06:43:13] <mado> i do ... but i don't need anything to drink right now : )
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1041[06:43:23] <HeXiLeD> cool
1042[06:43:27] <TomTomTo1> let's go back to topic^^
1043[06:43:32] <kingsley> How would you configure audio software, like Audacity for example, to access a signal fed into a sound card's "line in" RCA jack?
1044[06:43:33] <HeXiLeD> yup
1045[06:43:46] <mado> what topic is / was that?
1046[06:43:55] <TomTomTo1> tech support :P
1047[06:44:01] <mado> also ... do you think i should use "debian-8.6.0-amd64-CD-1.iso" OR "debian-8.6.0-amd64-netinst.iso" ?
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1049[06:44:13] <kingsley> I know the signal arrives at the sound card, because I can hear it through speakers connected to the same sound card.
1050[06:44:17] <HeXiLeD> does not matter mado
1051[06:44:17] <TomTomTo1> netinst if you have a working connection.
1052[06:44:42] <HeXiLeD> And what TomTomTo1 said
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1054[06:45:05] <TomTomTo1> mado: didn't you need extra firmware? then the firmware image linked before.
1055[06:45:17] <HeXiLeD> mado: what distro do you come from ?
1056[06:45:26] <mado> so either one of those two can be copied on to the unmounted pen drive and written in the ... what did you call it? ... block device?
1057[06:45:42] <HeXiLeD> any can be used
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1059[06:46:09] <mado> HeXiLeD: none ... i haven't called any yet "my home" so to speak ;)
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1061[06:46:33] <mado> firmware? ... errr ... i didn't read anything about firmware there before TomTomTo1
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1063[06:46:43] <HeXiLeD> netinst will simply get the latest that may not be in the iso. Also is a small pack of files.
1064[06:46:50] <HeXiLeD> good debian is a good start
1065[06:47:17] <TomTomTo1> mado: nvm then, i confused you with someone else.
1066[06:47:29] <mado> *chuckle* ... okay
1067[06:47:38] <mado> no problem, TomTomTo1
1068[06:48:08] <TomTomTo1> kingsley: audacity lets you select devices in Edit -> Preferences -> Device
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1070[06:48:45] <kingsley> TomTomTo1: Yes, this is true.
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1073[06:49:35] <kingsley> I actually tried that, and none of Audacity's devices accessed a signal.
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1075[06:49:58] <mado> and HeXiLeD ... i was not only recommended to use Debian but also thought i could maybe use it because it's supported some more and also a very free distribution according to some articles i read
1076[06:50:06] <TomTomTo1> kingsley: then you might want to check with e.g. pavucontrol and see if the levels are up.
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1078[06:50:45] <TomTomTo1> kingsley: pavucontrol has a tab for input devices and recording, both might be relevant.
1079[06:51:04] <HeXiLeD> mado: of course. It is a start. I will see you on gentoo after you progress ;)
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1082[06:51:25] <mado> so you're a gentoo user?
1083[06:51:32] <TomTomTo1> s/progress/lose your sanity/ :P
1084[06:51:44] <HeXiLeD> yes. deb is second choice for 1 machine
1085[06:51:51] <HeXiLeD> after comes arch
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1087[06:52:29] <mado> Arch I have tried to install some months ago ... unfortunately i couldn't finish the process because of some issue (don't remember exactly what right now though)
1088[06:52:33] <kingsley> TomTomTo1: OK, I'll check out pavucontrol'a input device and recording tabs.
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1090[06:52:57] <HeXiLeD> mado: deb was my first real linux experience. i did try some rpm distro b4 but deb was the way to go
1091[06:53:03] <HeXiLeD> so have you got the iso?
1092[06:53:25] <mado> almost : )
1093[06:55:23] <HeXiLeD> what usage do you have for debian ?
1094[06:55:37] <mado> you see HeXiLeD and TomTomTo1 ... i'm trying to find an easy to use distro for e.g. my family members ... my parents for instance are basically those kinds of people (they allow me to say it this way - so NO i am not disrespectful to them) ... those kinds of people that know what button to press to turn their computer on and how to write an email, surf the web a little, etc
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1096[06:56:13] <mado> important for them as well is that they can use the desired distro in German because they don't know any other language
1097[06:56:15] <HeXiLeD> umm i see, well debian can be that friendly after a goot setup
1098[06:56:28] <HeXiLeD> *good
1099[06:56:52] <TomTomTo1> i put elementary os on my mother's laptop for that reason.
1100[06:57:15] <mado> i want them to use something free so they don't need to rely on something proprietary or something like that : )
1101[06:57:17] <HeXiLeD> i am getting my 65 y/o mother on gentoo with fluxbox soon. (all custom. one click for all)
1102[06:57:26] <mado> :D
1103[06:57:38] <mado> i myself want something free and be able to learn some stuff ...
1104[06:57:39] <TomTomTo1> see what i said about sanity? ^^
1105[06:57:45] * HeXiLeD laughs
1106[06:57:54] <HeXiLeD> she tried it already and liked the look
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1108[06:58:12] <mado> and i don't mind if the distro is in English only ... i unfortunately don't know any foreign language though yet (i only know English and German)
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1110[06:58:33] <mado> my parents aren't that old yet but sounds nice HeXiLeD : )
1111[06:59:17] <mado> sooo ... apart from something free that helps me also to learn some stuff ... i don't know what i need : )
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1113[06:59:38] <mado> and nice TomTomTo1 ... how does she like that?
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1116[07:00:01] <TomTomTo1> more than windows. no complaints so far.
1117[07:00:07] <mado> nice : )
1118[07:00:19] <kingsley> TomTomTo1: I'm happy to report that pavucontrol revealed the input device was muted, and after I un-muted it, my audio application reported a new error.
1119[07:00:29] <mado> i fear my parents would complain some if i removed their Windows completely ...
1120[07:00:54] <kingsley> Instead of saying something like "low input signal strength", it now reports "Clipping has been detected".
1121[07:00:56] <mado> my mom for instance still likes to play some of those games by Intenium or BigFish something something
1122[07:01:01] <kingsley> TomTomTo1: Thanks
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1128[07:02:15] <mado> i'd have to try and find out if her games work with a Linux or not ... if they don't ... i fear she'll keep on using Windows or maybe will have to start to dual boot
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1130[07:02:54] <HeXiLeD> wine
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1132[07:03:17] <HeXiLeD> and you can always have windows on virtualbox inside debian
1133[07:03:44] <mado> i myself also like to play some games ... most of mine are older though (only got a few new ones) ... and some i cannot try yet ... but i like that some games see a Linux release too
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1135[07:03:59] <TomTomTo1> kingsley: glad to help. i guess you can handle the clipping problem^^
1136[07:04:43] <mado> Virtualbox, huh? ... well ... what if the game was something a little heavier? ... what if i were to buy ... i don't know ... what's something "new" that eats a lot of resources?
1137[07:04:45] <binaryc> mado: look into virtualization. good safe way to explore running a different OS while usinging family computer
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1139[07:05:27] <mado> would games like that run in a virtual system? ... wouldn't it be better there to have an actual Windows installed? *wondering*
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1141[07:05:49] <mado> [side-note: please don't stone me ... i'm just sharing my thoughts out loud and learning]
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1143[07:06:03] <fernie> iommu, gpu virtualization. you can pass gpu to virtualmachine , ie windows so it will have all needed recources to play also games
1144[07:06:09] <binaryc> i was thinking the otherway around, you play around with linux virtually and keep your moms window PC as is
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1146[07:06:40] <mado> i see, binaryc : )
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1150[07:07:07] <HeXiLeD> nah... leave the toys for the boxes
1151[07:07:09] <HeXiLeD> ;)
1152[07:07:25] <binaryc> virtualbox, easy to install and use on windows. not the best performant but perfectly fine for learning a new OS.
1153[07:07:30] <mado> but how would that help her or family members in general in the future? ... currently it looks like windows 7 will stop getting supported by 2020
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1156[07:08:15] <HeXiLeD> vnc+ssh or even teamviewer if they need help and you are far away
1157[07:08:17] <mado> i'd like to see them having moved on from Windows by then ... i cannot force them to switch of course but i'm sorry - i don't like what i've read about Windows 10
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1164[07:09:11] <mado> and yeah ... the other issue - you said it HeXiLeD - what if i'm far away some time? ...
1165[07:09:45] <mado> i love my family but i think to be able to grow further i will have to leave them some time and maybe even for some time
1166[07:09:48] <HeXiLeD> same with me. Remote admin does it all. Get them a restricted account and you admin when needed
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1171[07:11:00] <mado> yeah ... but let's take all this step by step ... : )
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1173[07:11:21] <mado> also i've just noticed that the ISO has finished downloading ; )
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1175[07:11:34] <HeXiLeD> just one thing mado
1176[07:11:48] <HeXiLeD> there is not turning back once you install okay ? ;)
1177[07:11:58] <cesspool> had a question i have a dell demension 3000, was wondering if theres a version of deb that will run on it?
1178[07:12:23] <cesspool> i have the celeron and 1 gig ram
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1181[07:12:32] <mado> HeXiLeD: why do you say that?
1182[07:12:44] <mado> why should this be a point of no return? :D
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1184[07:13:21] <TomTomTo1> cesspool: the usual amd64 images should be just fine.
1185[07:13:24] <HeXiLeD> mado: You are at the point of choosing between the red and blue pill
1186[07:13:40] <cesspool> im using xubuntu 14.04 i have the crappy walmart belkin n300 wireless usb adapter
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1188[07:13:56] <binaryc> i seriously recomend virtualization and not messing around with a hardware install on a shared computer
1189[07:14:35] <binaryc> from a kid who wiped his dads music collection off a packard bell doing a failed RHEL linux install in 1997 :)
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1191[07:14:58] <HeXiLeD> mado: go for it. I sense the force is strong with you
1192[07:15:01] <cesspool> thats what i need ^ : )
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1194[07:15:34] <TomTomTo1> cesspool: replaced-url
1195[07:16:44] <TomTomTo1> cesspool: there are also images containing non-free firmare needed for some wireless cards. can you find out which chipset yours has?
1196[07:16:49] <cesspool> ok cool ill try it thanks
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1198[07:17:16] <cesspool> its r something something something i know that much
1199[07:17:43] <TomTomTo1> Realtek RTL8192CU ?
1200[07:18:02] <cesspool> yes realtek belkin sorry
1201[07:18:26] <cesspool> well the module is realtek anyway yessss thats the one :)))
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1203[07:18:54] <TomTomTo1> replaced-url
1204[07:18:54] <cesspool> its been a pain in the ass to get most distros that will read it
1205[07:19:05] <TomTomTo1> cesspool: then you might want to use this image instead.
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1207[07:19:26] <cesspool> awesome thank you so much :D
1208[07:19:31] <TomTomTo1> np^^
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1210[07:19:49] <cesspool> i will be back and tell you how it went
1211[07:20:03] <TomTomTo1> okayo
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1213[07:21:42] <mado> sorry for my late response, HeXiLeD ... family just interrupted :) ... had to quickly lend a hand
1214[07:22:36] <mado> but thanks for saying something this positive : )
1215[07:23:08] <mado> non-free stuff, eh? TomTomTo1 ? ... hmmm ... this could be installed afterwards as well if someone needed it, couldn't it?
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1218[07:23:48] <TomTomTo1> yes, but this is easier and you usually want to be connected during installation.
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1222[07:24:23] <mado> and binaryc ? ... i see what you mean ... the good thing is that my parents have their own computers by now ... but should we
1223[07:24:35] <mado> should we ever have to go back to sharing a machine i'll come back to that : )
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1227[07:26:28] <cesspool> you sure itll network boot?
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1231[07:26:47] <cesspool> and should i enable it in my bios first?
1232[07:27:19] <cesspool> im gonna use unetbootin and boot usb
1233[07:27:19] <TomTomTo1> cesspool: it should detect your card in the installer and let you download extra software
1234[07:27:31] <TomTomTo1> !unetbootin
1235[07:27:32] <dpkg> UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. replaced-url
1236[07:27:43] <TomTomTo1> !win32diskimager
1237[07:27:43] <dpkg> win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from replaced-url
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1239[07:28:04] <cesspool> ok cool was just being cautious :) im a complete deb noob
1240[07:28:12] <mado> i can vouch for that unetbootin-statement there ... i've tried unetbootin recently ... it failed
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1243[07:28:35] <mado> join the club, cesspool : )
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1245[07:28:42] <TomTomTo1> or don't ^^
1246[07:29:00] <cesspool> oh yeah
1247[07:29:21] <mado> alright ... the "sdb" is still here
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1249[07:29:48] <mado> when i plugged in my external hard drive to save something i found it is labled "sdc"
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1251[07:29:53] <cesspool> ive gotten ubuntu down pretty good ive even used the getdeb repositories and such
1252[07:29:59] <mado> or should i say "sdc1" ?
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1254[07:30:11] <cesspool> yeah mines sdc1
1255[07:30:17] <cesspool> sd card 1
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1257[07:30:29] <TomTomTo1> sdc1 is a partition. sdc is the block device.
1258[07:30:40] <mado> gotcha, TomTomTo1
1259[07:30:50] <mado> HeXiLeD: are you still with us?
1260[07:30:53] <mado> *wondering*
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1262[07:31:09] <cesspool> ok ill be back :) thanks again yall
1263[07:31:13] * HeXiLeD is
1264[07:31:20] <mado> alright : )
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1268[07:31:55] <mado> had to check on you - hope i didn't rattle you
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1272[07:33:46] <mado> i'm now copying the ISO
1273[07:33:57] <mado> pen drive is blinking ; )
1274[07:35:07] <mado> adding a joke: pulse and bm slightly higher than usual :D
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1278[07:36:07] <mado> so if i write this stuff now to the block device ... can i then still save something else on the pen drive?
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1281[07:36:57] <HeXiLeD> rephrase that question
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1284[07:38:08] <mado> i just used this copy-command to write the ISO on to the pen drive's block device ...
1285[07:38:50] <mado> it should now serve as the device that helps me install Debian on my computer
1286[07:38:55] <mado> or any other computer i plug it in
1287[07:38:59] <mado> replaced-url
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1289[07:39:50] <mado> can i e.g. copy a text file, picture, music, video, whatever ... on to it too without messing up the Debian install files?
1290[07:40:08] <mado> i'm just curious - i won't have to copy something else on it
1291[07:40:26] <mado> +to
1292[07:40:50] <binaryc> that is not how you put a bootable image on a usb
1293[07:41:08] <mado> oh?
1294[07:41:18] <HeXiLeD> use unetbootin
1295[07:41:21] <mado> jmcnaught: told me that i can do it this way
1296[07:41:23] <TomTomTo1> binaryc: that is exactly how you do it.
1297[07:41:30] <mado> and TomTomTo1 agreed
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1299[07:41:46] <TomTomTo1> so does the official documentation. replaced-url
1300[07:41:49] <mado> unetbootin ... haven't we stated before that this tool is not recommended?
1301[07:41:57] <TomTomTo1> yes. don't use it.
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1303[07:42:08] <HeXiLeD> the guy is just starting...
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1305[07:42:50] <slax0r> you can put a bootable image to a usb drive using "dd"
1306[07:43:39] <TomTomTo1> yes, cp is just easier and you don't have to bother with block size
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1309[07:45:03] <mado> i can see from all your lines there that there isn't just one way of doing it.
1310[07:45:18] <HeXiLeD> correct
1311[07:45:22] <slax0r> no, no there isn't
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1313[07:45:32] <HeXiLeD> use one that works ;)
1314[07:45:44] <mado> well ... unetbootin didn't work for me : )
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1317[07:45:54] <slax0r> and to put additional files onto there now, you'd have to mount the drive, and copy those files up there the "normal way"
1318[07:45:56] <mado> so i had to rule that out
1319[07:46:36] <mado> okay ... so it's still possible ... i don't need to but good to know - thank you : )
1320[07:46:57] <slax0r> it _should_ be
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1322[07:47:26] <mado> and forgive me for saying so but ... the line "the guy is just starting..." made me think that i've been sent on a certain road without having been warned of some dangers
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1326[07:49:32] <mado> anyway ... as you can see from the dpaste i shared ...
1327[07:49:37] <HeXiLeD> i meant it in the way to use easy tools
1328[07:49:42] <mado> the "sync" command didn't give me any results
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1330[07:49:54] <HeXiLeD> is this still working for any deb based distro ? replaced-url
1331[07:50:02] <HeXiLeD> seems to fail here
1332[07:50:21] <mado> copying sounded easy to me, HeXiLeD ... even though i still don't completely understand the whole block device / file system - thing
1333[07:50:36] <TomTomTo1> sync usually has no output. man sync
1334[07:50:51] <CQ> what's teh best quick and dirty way to erase a drive? just dd if=/dev/random ? this is just in case I want to sell the drive... but it'll lie around a while and I want to know it's empty
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1336[07:51:17] <CQ> just repartitioning and putting an ext4 on it probably leaves data recoverable, right?
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1338[07:52:15] <mado> i'm pretty sure that depending on the hard drive size it's a lengthy process ...
1339[07:52:32] <mado> you'd have to write and delete stuff on it a couple of times ...
1340[07:52:50] <mado> hasn't seven times recommended for when you want to sell the hard disk?
1341[07:52:56] <TomTomTo1> CQ i would probably do sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdX bs=1k count=somesize and yes, only repartitioning leaves it recoverable.
1342[07:52:58] <mado> +been
1343[07:53:17] <HeXiLeD> CQ: badblocks destructive test and 4 passes and you can also check shred
1344[07:53:40] <CQ> HeXiLeD: that's overkill, single pass random is plenty for the stuff I have on it
1345[07:54:01] <HeXiLeD> do you want to be able to recover ?
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1347[07:54:11] <TomTomTo1> CQ: /dev/random is slow and overkill if you just want to erase a device.
1348[07:54:17] <HeXiLeD> or not to recover in case you sell.....
1349[07:54:57] <CQ> HeXiLeD: not recover, but the odds of someone trying are very low, and if it's randomed or zeroed then it's enough
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1352[07:55:19] <mado> question in between ... does a "dd"-command also run while your system is "locked" ? ... as in ... waiting for you to enter your password so you're back?
1353[07:55:23] <HeXiLeD> it is al about choices. All have their consequences
1354[07:55:48] <HeXiLeD> mado: if you run it inside screen
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1356[07:56:02] <mado> what do you mean?
1357[07:56:37] <mado> let's say i open a terminal and enter the command and then use the lock from near the clock in the panel above?
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1359[07:56:42] <HeXiLeD> if you logout, you lose what is running unless it runs in a session with something like screen
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1361[07:57:24] <mado> yeah ... that's i think what i'm talking about ... i can imagine that let's say a 160 GB hdd is faster to wipe than a 1 TB
1362[07:57:28] <TomTomTo1> if it's just a simple screensaver it will keep running.
1363[07:57:54] <mado> well i don't know what it is ...
1364[07:57:58] <CQ> TomTomTo1: I guess zeroing is good enough for what I want, and yes, it should be faster then /dev/urandom
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1366[07:58:22] <mado> next to my clock here is a battery symbol ... i can then when clicking on it e.g. make a decision for logging out or for using a lock
1367[07:58:42] <mado> the lock apparently doesn't log me out but when i come back to my computer it asks me for my password
1368[07:59:01] <mado> to log out i'd have to click my user name and then "log out"
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1372[07:59:37] <TomTomTo1> CQ: not sure if you meant it like that, but /dev/urandom is not blocking, so you should use either /dev/urandom or /dev/zero
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1374[08:00:06] <CQ> I meant urandom... yes, random is blocking
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1379[08:01:14] <mado> anyway ... guys ... in a few minutes i have to drive my brother to work ... i'll try and be back later ... can i try and start the installation and come back to it afterwards without any problems?
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1381[08:01:39] <mado> like what if i left the installation unattended for thirty minutes? ... would this cause any problems?
1382[08:01:52] <TomTomTo1> noe
1383[08:01:59] <mado> okay : )
1384[08:02:51] <mado> well then ... see you either very soon or a little later again : ) ... i'm curious to see if the copying worked : )
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1395[08:05:39] <CQ> ok, bs 1024, 2048 are veeery slow, 4096 and 8192 lots faster (almost 10 times). zero is about 10 times faster than urandom
1396[08:06:17] <CQ> sure it's drive, cpu, etc. dependent, but that's still quite a difference :)
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1399[08:06:29] <TomTomTo1> yeah^^
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1401[08:06:47] <CQ> so, zero is the hero ;)
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1404[08:08:07] <binaryc> does dd of template file split the difference on speed vs security of 0 vs random ?
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1406[08:08:53] <CQ> binaryc: I was thinking about that... didn't try it yet.
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1408[08:09:12] <CQ> come back in two hours, I'll try it on the next drive :)
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1410[08:10:02] <CQ> binaryc: hm, how do you do that? if you specify an if= it will just write that file... do you have to specify the drive size to get it to repeat that?
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1413[08:11:18] <CQ> replaced-url
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1424[08:15:06] <cesspool> damn i have to do this all in the terminal? -_-
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1426[08:15:22] <TomTomTo1> it's one command^^
1427[08:15:34] <TomTomTo1> well, plus sync
1428[08:16:13] <cesspool> dont i have to direct where my iso is?
1429[08:16:26] <TomTomTo1> yes.
1430[08:16:31] <cesspool> as in the directory i mean?
1431[08:16:47] <TomTomTo1> replace debian.iso with the path and file name of your iso.
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1434[08:17:24] <TomTomTo1> you don't have to give a path if the file is in the same directory.
1435[08:17:32] <cesspool> ok so /home/downloads/jessie
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1438[08:18:17] <TomTomTo1> no, /home/username/whereever_your_iso_is.iso
1439[08:18:31] <cesspool> oh ok
1440[08:18:52] <TomTomTo1> and it's case sensitive, so it will probably be Downloads. use tab-complete.
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1444[08:22:21] <binaryc> CQ: note on using large template / building large tempplate in compressed file in ramdisk didn't even come to mind. guess it makes sense. a repeated small file is no better than 0s
1445[08:22:42] <binaryc> think you could use the randoms from the first drive you wipe to do the second one :)
1446[08:23:04] <cesspool> like this?
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1448[08:23:09] <cesspool> # cp /home/cesspool/Downloads/firmware-8.6.0-amd64-netinst.iso/dev/sdX
1449[08:23:20] <CQ> binaryc: I'll just stick to zeroes ...
1450[08:23:29] <TomTomTo1> cesspool: there has to be a space after the input file
1451[08:23:41] <cesspool> ok
1452[08:23:45] <TomTomTo1> cesspool: and replace sdX with your actual device.
1453[08:23:53] <cesspool> # cp /home/cesspool/Downloads/firmware-8.6.0-amd64-netinst.iso /dev/sdX
1454[08:23:57] <cesspool> yeah?
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1460[08:24:50] <cesspool> ok
1461[08:24:57] <TomTomTo1> cesspool: you have to use the correct block device. you see it in dmseg after you plug your usb drive in or using lsblk
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1464[08:25:46] <cesspool> # cp /home/cesspool/Downloads/firmware-8.6.0-amd64-netinst.iso /dev/sdc1
1465[08:25:50] <cesspool> :D
1466[08:26:01] <TomTomTo1> cesspool: sdc1 is a partition. sdc is the block device^^
1467[08:26:02] <cesspool> i promise ill make it through this
1468[08:26:11] <cesspool> oh yeah haha
1469[08:26:31] <cesspool> # cp /home/cesspool/Downloads/firmware-8.6.0-amd64-netinst.iso /dev/sdc :)
1470[08:26:41] <TomTomTo1> looks about right^^
1471[08:26:46] <cesspool> k mah ready coach?
1472[08:27:06] <cesspool> cool thank you and for your patience
1473[08:27:14] <TomTomTo1> no problem^^
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1475[08:28:28] <cesspool> it still didnt do anything
1476[08:28:31] <cesspool> i put
1477[08:28:42] <TomTomTo1> you also need root to write to the block device
1478[08:29:01] <cesspool> # cp /home/cesspool/Downloads/firmware-8.6.0-amd64-netinst.iso /dev/sdc and my thumbdrive was formatted to FAT
1479[08:29:19] <cesspool> ok
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1486[08:33:52] <cesspool> root@cesspool-Dimension-3000:~# # cp /home/cesspool/Downloads/firmware-8.6.0-amd64-netinst.iso /dev/sdc
1487[08:34:03] <cesspool> but still no dice :/
1488[08:34:11] <TomTomTo1> what's wrong?
1489[08:34:27] <cesspool> wait lol i just saw it #
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1491[08:35:35] <cesspool> ok now my cursor is blinking
1492[08:35:46] <relaxed> cesspool: you want to write the iso to the usb to boot from?
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1494[08:36:05] <cesspool> yeah
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1496[08:36:14] <relaxed> sudo dd if=firmware-8.6.0-amd64-netinst.iso of=/dev/sdc bs=4M
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1504[08:39:50] <cesspool> i believe it worked :)
1505[08:39:55] <relaxed> it did :)
1506[08:40:04] <cesspool> 278921216 bytes (279 MB) copied, 46.9445 s, 5.9 MB/s
1507[08:40:10] <cesspool> was my return
1508[08:40:39] <relaxed> you're ready to install
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1511[08:40:59] <cesspool> theres nothing on the drive tho is that normal?
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1515[08:41:33] <relaxed> you may need to pull it out and plug it back in
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1517[08:41:42] <cesspool> ok lemme try
1518[08:41:42] <TomTomTo1> you will se a FS on the drive. FAT i think.
1519[08:41:44] <relaxed> then mount it
1520[08:41:51] <TomTomTo1> * see
1521[08:41:52] <cesspool> ok
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1523[08:42:26] <cesspool> oh hell yeah xD
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1526[08:42:47] <cesspool> thank you guys bunches <3333
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1528[08:42:59] <cesspool> here goes nothin
1529[08:43:03] <relaxed> you're welcome
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1537[08:47:49] <cesspool> ok found out it was the wrong one need the i686 netinst image
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1540[08:48:26] <TomTomTo1> why? what cpu do you have?
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1545[08:50:01] <cesspool> intel celeron eh 2.60 ghz i believe
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1547[08:50:25] <cesspool> its i686 archetecture aparently
1548[08:50:42] <cesspool> thats what it said at bootup
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1551[08:51:18] <cesspool> i have the 2004 dell dimension 3000 2.40 or .60 with 1 gb ram
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1554[08:51:53] <TomTomTo1> there are celerons supporting amd64 they span about two decades^^
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1560[08:52:39] <TomTomTo1> well, the i386 image is what you need, then.
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1564[08:53:18] <cesspool> so the i386 should be fine right?
1565[08:53:22] <cesspool> oh lol
1566[08:53:28] <cesspool> nvrmind
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1578[08:57:56] <TomTomTo1> there are versions ob libc6 and the kernel optimised for 686. not sure if the installer automatically selects them.
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1588[09:02:37] <cesspool> how do i format the drive?
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1591[09:03:14] <TomTomTo1> afterwards? using gparted for example.
1592[09:03:17] <cesspool> im using disk utility and getting errors on the gtp or something signatures
1593[09:03:42] <cesspool> yeah ive tried it to just say unallocated
1594[09:03:58] <cesspool> hit fix and all that didnt work
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1596[09:06:25] <TomTomTo1> if you just copied the iso to it it's MBR not GPT. you can initialise it to GPT.
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1601[09:09:42] <cesspool> says unrecognized disk label :/
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1604[09:10:25] <cesspool> only option i have is new but when i do that its says failed to find file system
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1611[09:12:30] <TomTomTo1> you can't format it?
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1614[09:12:48] <cesspool> nah ah
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1616[09:13:09] <TomTomTo1> what does it say if you try to format?
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1618[09:14:02] <cesspool> i managed to del one partition but the other is stuck and says failed to format to FAT32 well thats disk utility anyway does the same in gparted tho
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1622[09:14:27] <cesspool> its FAT on disk utility
1623[09:14:55] <cesspool> No partition table found on device /dev/sdc
1624[09:15:03] <cesspool> ^gparted
1625[09:15:20] <TomTomTo1> then create one.
1626[09:15:33] <TomTomTo1> device -> create partition table
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1628[09:16:01] <TomTomTo1> and select msdos or gpt
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1630[09:16:46] <cesspool> ok cool found it _-_ dude i apologize
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1634[09:17:50] <cesspool> yay
1635[09:17:54] <cesspool> it worked
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1637[09:18:19] <TomTomTo1> i thought there was a format button that includes creating a new partition table, but it seems there isn't^^
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1639[09:18:36] <cesspool> damn i just realized how many doors that opens i got a playstation 2 project goin on here lately
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1644[09:19:18] <cesspool> yeah im using 14.04 not sure if that matters from the new xenial stuff
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1647[09:19:43] <cesspool> but yes it worked haha mreplaced-url
1648[09:19:49] <TomTomTo1> np
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1650[09:21:16] <bllluruks> hello test
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1655[09:23:27] <bllluruks> hello, when i try to install Skype via dpkg i get replaced-url
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1657[09:23:37] <cesspool> ok cursor is blinking now : )
1658[09:23:47] <bllluruks> so i do the apt-get -f install and he says replaced-url
1659[09:23:52] <cesspool> 331350016 bytes (331 MB) copied, 66.5491 s, 5.0 MB/s
1660[09:23:55] <cesspool> yay
1661[09:24:17] <cesspool> okie dokie i shall return
1662[09:24:21] <lethu> yes but you have to download it from the skype site
1663[09:24:44] <TomTomTo1> bllluruks: why don't you use the one that's packaged for debian?
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1666[09:25:08] <TomTomTo1> bllluruks: it's in the non-free repo
1667[09:25:17] <bllluruks> TomTomTo1, i used skype-debian_4.3.0.37-1_i386.deb - i don't think there is a debian 8 one
1668[09:25:21] <bllluruks> o
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1670[09:26:09] <unborn> bllluruks: replaced-url
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1674[09:26:22] <TomTomTo1> bllluruks: oh, right, it's gone.
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1684[09:28:33] <bllluruks> i will try gdebi thanks! if only my job didn't demand i use skype :(
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1687[09:28:51] <unborn> bllluruks: you need to turn multiarch on
1688[09:28:57] <unborn> if you running 64bit os
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1690[09:29:01] <unborn> then install it
1691[09:29:04] <bllluruks> yeah i enabled i386 unborn
1692[09:29:37] <unborn> bllluruks: let me see how did I install it on my term history
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1696[09:31:26] <unborn> bllluruks: this is how I installed skype on my system replaced-url
1697[09:32:19] <bllluruks> i got it working with gdebi, thanks all! yeah unborn i tried that before, but i might not have updated properly
1698[09:32:27] <bllluruks> anyway solved thanks once again, a great help!
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1701[09:33:14] <unborn> !next
1702[09:33:15] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
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1708[09:36:26] <cesspool> i got that far and it didnt read my realtek wifi usb :/
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1710[09:36:44] <TomTomTo1> you used the firmware iso?
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1712[09:37:09] <cesspool> you mean firmware i386?
1713[09:37:27] <TomTomTo1> yes
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1715[09:37:30] <cesspool> i used debian-i386-8.6.0
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1717[09:37:44] <TomTomTo1> replaced-url
1718[09:37:49] <cesspool> oh hell lol
1719[09:37:50] <TomTomTo1> try this instead^
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1721[09:38:01] <cesspool> thank
1722[09:38:01] <cesspool> s
1723[09:38:35] <cesspool> nonfree?
1724[09:38:41] <cesspool> what means that?
1725[09:38:53] <unborn> cesspool: that includes non free drivers..
1726[09:38:58] <TomTomTo1> that means that the firmware is not free software.
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1729[09:39:06] <unborn> not opensourced drivers
1730[09:39:07] <TomTomTo1> free as in free and open source.
1731[09:39:07] <cesspool> oh
1732[09:39:09] <unborn> or software
1733[09:39:19] <cesspool> cool
1734[09:39:59] <cesspool> yeah i know im a noob -_-
1735[09:40:26] <digdilem> this is what debian means by 'free' replaced-url
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1795[10:04:57] <frankie__> howcome apache2 is a dependency of php? I would like to use nginx instead
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1797[10:05:07] <frankie__> seems to insist on me installing apache2
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1805[10:08:32] <jim> let's see...
1806[10:08:42] <jim> , depends php
1807[10:08:43] <judd> No package named 'php' was found in jessie/amd64.
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1809[10:08:56] <cesspool> eh no luck
1810[10:08:57] <jim> ok,,, need exact package name
1811[10:09:14] <cesspool> brb ill show you the device im using
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1813[10:10:52] <jim> frankie__, so as you can see, there is no package called "php". we need the exact package name
1814[10:11:11] <cesspool> replaced-url
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1818[10:12:00] <cesspool> it doesnt seem to be capable of boot on network
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1821[10:12:22] <frankie__> jim: nevermind i was an idiot and did not actually understand what the fpm package was for. im a php n00b. sorry for wasting time
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1824[10:13:55] <cesspool> doesnt come on eh no big deal thanks for all the help but its 3 here got work in the morning well maybe i could install the biggest debian package then maybe it would work now that i know how to do it from 14.04
1825[10:14:41] <jim> frankie__, just so you know php is a fairly big mess... you may wish to go with a different scripting language
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1827[10:15:25] <jim> (a mess in language design, a mess in features and versions, a mess in packaging)
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1883[10:37:02] <cesspool> lol
1884[10:37:05] <cesspool> wth
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1886[10:37:30] <cesspool> gn all
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1898[10:43:52] <JustinHitla> what is "debian on top of android" ?
1899[10:44:09] <JustinHitla> does that require use of virtualisation ?
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1901[10:44:32] <relaxed> you can chroot into it
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1905[10:47:02] <jim_carry> How to find if I am using `selinux` or `apparmor`?
1906[10:47:13] <maxcell_> how can i take a debian-common file and make it a debian 32bits file
1907[10:47:22] <maxcell_> how can i take a debian-common-noarch file and make it a debian 32bits file
1908[10:47:45] <maxcell_> jim_carry, systemd-analyze blame
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1911[10:47:57] <ullf09721> hello
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1914[10:48:39] <jelly> jim_carry: you're not using any of those by default
1915[10:48:40] <maxcell_> how can i take a debian-common-noarch file and make it a debian 32bits file?
1916[10:48:47] <JustinHitla> relaxed: what ? how ?
1917[10:48:48] <ullf09721> how create vpn connecting between client and server which runs on linux?
1918[10:49:16] <JustinHitla> ullf09721: join ##vpn and ask hiya
1919[10:49:16] <ullf09721> just use a traffic of a server
1920[10:49:24] <ullf09721> ok
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1923[10:50:04] <jim_carry> maxcell_: it give long output
1924[10:50:15] <jim_carry> jelly: so what I am using?
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1926[10:50:41] <jelly> jim_carry: no LSM at all
1927[10:50:45] <JustinHitla> relaxed: how exactly it works "debian on top of android" ?
1928[10:50:49] <relaxed> JustinHitla: use debootstrap to create an arm debian installation, move it to your phone, then chroot into it.
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1930[10:50:54] <maxcell_> jim_carry, it is all the services that starts with your computer, if apparmor or selinux is in use, its there
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1932[10:51:26] <JustinHitla> relaxed: so should I boot into it or should I boot normal android and then mount partition with debian and chroot into it ?
1933[10:51:42] <relaxed> JustinHitla: you may have to install busybox from google play if your phone doesn't include `chroot`
1934[10:51:54] <JustinHitla> I have buzybox
1935[10:52:24] <relaxed> you boot into android and then chroot into debian
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1937[10:52:59] <maxcell_> Can i build a package thats is non-arch in apt-get myself to i386?
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1939[10:53:01] <JustinHitla> so when I chroot into debian it will run debian's kernel or only software ?
1940[10:53:19] <JustinHitla> maxcell_: try ask in #programming
1941[10:53:41] <relaxed> only the software, android is using its kernel
1942[10:53:58] <jim_carry> thank guys
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1944[10:55:07] <JustinHitla> relaxed: is there arm debian installation allready brebuild, so I don't need to create it ?
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1948[10:55:58] <JustinHitla> so why people use debian on top android ? to run debian software on phones ?
1949[10:56:33] <JustinHitla> so now any software that runs on debian I can run it on android ?
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1953[10:57:04] <relaxed> JustinHitla: I'm not sure about prebuilt installs. Yes, to run debian software on the phone
1954[10:57:13] <JustinHitla> is that why there is not much software ported to android because anyone who needs it can just use that trick ?
1955[10:57:50] <JustinHitla> what about speed ? it is as fast as natively compilled android software ?
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1957[10:58:27] <nirox> By mistake i (after 21hr work) added jessie to source.list on Debian Wheezy(7.11) and updated some packages (incl libc6). Is it safe to revert/downgrade packages to wheezy?
1958[10:58:42] <relaxed> JustinHitla: it's arm binaries running on an arm processor
1959[10:58:45] <hiya> JustinHitla, my chan has moved to ##<mynick>
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1968[11:02:13] <beatdown> man modinfo
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1996[11:17:13] <john_whatever> where I can get test_power module?
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1999[11:17:53] <iLetBigSHITS> HELP!
2000[11:17:56] <iLetBigSHITS> MY BIG SHITS
2001[11:18:00] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1707
2002[11:18:04] <iLetBigSHITS> THEY CLOGGED UP THE TOILET
2003[11:18:18] <iLetBigSHITS> lol
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2005[11:18:43] <iLetBigSHITS> SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT IT CLOGGED THE TOILET SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT IT CLOGGED THE TOILET
2006[11:19:52] <JustinHitla> iLetBigSHITS: try #haskell
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2008[11:20:11] <iLetBigSHITS> nice
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2015[11:21:38] <iLetBigSHITS> SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT
2016[11:21:44] <iLetBigSHITS> I CLOGGED THE TOILET
2017[11:21:51] <iLetBigSHITS> WITH MY BIG SHITS!!!!!!!!!
2018[11:21:54] <unborn> !ops iLetBigSHITS spam
2019[11:21:54] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: unborn complains about: iLetBigSHITS spam
2020[11:22:02] <iLetBigSHITS> lol
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2022[11:22:07] <iLetBigSHITS> but its true
2023[11:22:10] <iLetBigSHITS> I DO LET BIG SHITS
2024[11:22:18] <iLetBigSHITS> IM SITTING ON THE SHITTER RIGHT NOW
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2027[11:22:26] <iLetBigSHITS> AND ITS FUCKING CLOGGED
2028[11:22:30] <iLetBigSHITS> I BACKED IT UP
2029[11:22:33] <iLetBigSHITS> BY LETTING BIG SHITS
2030[11:22:45] <niko> iLetBigSHITS: enough
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2032[11:22:59] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o RichiH
2033[11:23:02] <iLetBigSHITS> niko or waht?
2034[11:23:04] *** RichiH sets mode: +q iLetBigSHITS!*@*
2035[11:23:10] *** RichiH sets mode: -o RichiH
2036[11:23:11] <m4rcu5_> well, that...
2037[11:23:17] <bazhang> thanks
2038[11:23:23] <RichiH> unborn: thanks
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2041[11:23:37] <beatdown> He lets big shits.
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2045[11:24:44] <RichiH> replaced-url
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2057[11:29:38] <m4rcu5_> lol RichiH, da lieg ich fast unterm tisch vom lachen
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2060[11:31:56] <nkuttler> please don't feed the trolls
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2084[11:45:06] <iamawesome> Is more than 10GB needed to install debian stable?
2085[11:45:26] <iamawesome> Is 10GB enough to get necessary packages installed including gnome-core?
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2087[11:45:45] <iamawesome> 10GB for /
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2090[11:46:32] <RichiH> m4rcu5_: i read it every few years and every time i have to stop in between because i am crying and gasping from laughing so much
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2093[11:47:14] <RichiH> and i am not known to show much external reaction to pretty much anything
2094[11:47:19] <m4rcu5_> some of my collegues just looked into my office wondering why i was laughing that bad at my screen :)
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2096[11:47:29] <iamawesome> Can anyone answer?
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2098[11:47:59] <HelloEarth> hello I've a problem with systemctl enabling new service
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2100[11:48:12] <iamawesome> HelloEarth: What problem?
2101[11:48:26] <HelloEarth> I run systemctl enable snorby_worker and I receive Operation failed: Invalid argument
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2105[11:49:12] <HelloEarth> I'm following this guide: replaced-url
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2107[11:50:11] <JustinHitla> how to list all commands "sysctl" supports ?
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2109[11:50:21] <JustinHitla> so I can do "sysctl some_command"
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2111[11:51:06] <teraflops> HelloEarth: there's no apache2.service in debian I wonder if that's the issue
2112[11:51:17] <HelloEarth> uhm....
2113[11:51:44] <iamawesome> HelloEarth: Does this help? replaced-url
2114[11:51:50] <HelloEarth> so what is the name in debian?
2115[11:51:52] <teraflops> HelloEarth: also look at the logs, and sudo systemctl status snorby_worker too
2116[11:51:53] <HelloEarth> let me see..
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2118[11:52:04] <teraflops> HelloEarth: there's no systemd unit for apache
2119[11:52:06] <teraflops> iirc
2120[11:52:12] <teraflops> at least in debian jessie
2121[11:52:13] <hanshenrik> when booting netinst over PXE, when choosing what to install ("Desktop Enviorment", "SSH Server", "Standard system utilities", etc), even if you take away desktop enviorment, and don't press enter at all, if you go to the bottom of the menu, then press the ^ button fast a couple of times, it will start installing... and it won't give a shit wehter or not you actually chose desktop enviorment or not, it will be installed regardless
2122[11:52:18] <HelloEarth> im using debian 7
2123[11:52:34] <teraflops> idk about debian wheezy sorry
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2125[11:53:14] <hanshenrik> has happened twice; using replaced-url
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2127[11:54:04] <iamawesome> HelloEarth: replaced-url
2128[11:54:07] <yui890> hi, I'm trying to remove the firefox-esr package but apt-get is telling me that some importatnt packages like gnome, gnome-core, task-gnome-desktops are also going to be removed. I'm using gnome desktop so I don't want these packages to be removed. Is there a way to remove firefox-esr without breaking the gnome desktop? Thanks in advance.
2129[11:54:41] <hanshenrik> apt-get install gnome, gnome-core, task-gnome-desktops;apt-get remove iceweasel;
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2132[11:54:49] <hanshenrik> yui890, ^
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2134[11:54:58] <hanshenrik> err, without the commas
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2137[11:55:48] <HelloEarth> iamawesome - thanks but it have the same steps
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2141[11:56:31] <HelloEarth> teraflops in this case how can i tell to use apache service if there are not apache2.service in debian?
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2143[11:56:47] <teraflops> HelloEarth: no idea about systemd in debian 7 sorry
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2161[12:04:39] <ingvarha> When setting "no" (Norwegian) as locale, I get fallback to other Scandinavian (Swedish, Danish) when translation is missing. I'd like fallback to en.US. Is this possible?
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2192[12:16:05] <ciweise> how I can compile a single kernel module?
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2199[12:17:41] <ciweise> like there's option 'CONFIG_TEST_MODULE=n' and I'd like to change it to module, but I don't want compile whole kernel again
2200[12:18:04] <ciweise> is there a simple way?
2201[12:18:23] <CQ> ciweise: if the kernel is compiled, it should only compile the incremental parts again I think
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2206[12:19:07] <ciweise> CQ: and how?
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2208[12:19:42] <CQ> I haven't compiled a kernel in ages, but configure it to compile the module and compile it I would think
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2211[12:20:08] <ciweise> I don't know about Makefile stuff
2212[12:20:55] <CQ> you shouldn't need to, even 10 years ago the kernel compile had a text gui
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2214[12:21:08] <CtrlAltDefeat> so i installed debian on a pc that used to have windows on it(formatted the disk and everything), installation says it was successful, but when i try to boot it says it fails to boot before the OS even starts
2215[12:21:12] <CtrlAltDefeat> how do i fix/find the problem?
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2230[12:28:37] <nkuttler> CtrlAltDefeat: sounds like the os autodetection didn't work, you probably want to reinstall grub, and maybe edit the config yourself
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2233[12:29:04] <nkuttler> CtrlAltDefeat: do you get any output, and what is the exact error?
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2244[12:37:41] <JustinHitla> CQ: considering compilling only modules, there should be some command "make modules" or something like that, that only compiles modules, right ?
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2249[12:38:27] <JustinHitla> CQ: I mean there have to be, people download kernel and compile only modules to update them all the time
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2255[12:40:36] <JustinHitla> really
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2296[13:02:12] <wewlad> hello, the newb is calling again. replaced-url
2297[13:02:29] <wewlad> from apache-apache's docs - it's the best MPM module
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2310[13:07:58] <CtrlAltDefeat> nkuttler: it just insta skips to network boot
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2312[13:08:04] <CtrlAltDefeat> well, an attempt to.. as it cant
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2315[13:10:56] <JustinHitla> wewlad: try #apache or #php
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2318[13:12:30] <wewlad> JustinHitla: no, it's a debian-only issue
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2343[13:21:13] <Ke> is there something I can dpkg-reconfigure to generate keyboard config for Xorg from /etc/default/keyboard?
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2347[13:22:14] <jelly> !keymap
2348[13:22:14] <dpkg> Run "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" to change both your default console and X keymap; the setxkbmap utility can be used to adjust keymap settings during X operation. For setting up X keymaps, see xkeycaps, xev and ask me about <multimedia keys>.
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2354[13:25:00] <Ke> hmm does not generate anything in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d
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2356[13:25:39] <teraflops> Ke: is it supposed to do do so?
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2358[13:26:27] <Ke> teraflops: apparently no
2359[13:26:28] <Ke> thanks
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2363[13:27:28] <teraflops> Ke: you can drop snippets there though, if you want
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2365[13:27:46] <teraflops> want/need/know what are you doing
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2369[13:28:51] <Ke> I don't need that actually, it seems libinput has happened since I last configured X
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2372[13:30:38] <os_> hi
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2376[13:32:22] <Iridos> has it? sounds scary
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2380[13:32:56] <Ke> Iridos: I even had to fallback to initrd to recover unresponsive X!!!!
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2382[13:33:01] <teraflops> Ke: then you're not in jessie I guess
2383[13:33:09] <Ke> stretch indeed
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2387[13:33:29] <os_> i have found what i think it is a bug in one of debian man pages
2388[13:33:29] <Ke> anyway, it works now, just that you are not confesed
2389[13:33:31] <os_> where can i report it ?
2390[13:33:33] <Ke> confused
2391[13:34:08] <Iridos> there's the "reportbug" program in debian
2392[13:34:22] <os_> mmm
2393[13:34:24] <teraflops> libinput is fine too. what's not fine is not saying that you're not using debian jessie:P
2394[13:34:44] <os_> Iridos: very nice! thanks
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2397[13:35:13] <Iridos> os_… gorn
2398[13:35:44] <Iridos> oh well, guess he'll find out that you shouldn't use a real email address for it when all the spam arrives
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2482[14:16:53] <m4rcu5_> I have a little challange, i have migrated from sernet-samba to debian samba, but the sernet packages are not in rc state. I am afraid that if i purge them, they will delete the config files now in use by the debian samba package
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2487[14:18:42] <amdp> hi are there any dmg files to install debian on a mac target disk?
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2493[14:19:51] <hexadecimal> hey
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2518[14:27:28] <m4rcu5_> is there a way to mark those packages as purged without actually touching the config files, i will manually clean the left over files with dpkg -L <package>
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2528[14:30:39] <dagerik> ntop is filling up /var/lib/ntop/rrd/interfaces/eth1 with lots of GBs. How do I clean this up?
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2531[14:31:06] <dagerik> apparently ntop captures network traffic
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2537[14:33:21] <m4rcu5_> dagerik: if it captures it has pcap files in there, else it is just the amount of rrds in there
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2540[14:34:11] <dagerik> m4rcu5_: there is huge amount of rrds there.
2541[14:34:16] <dagerik> 435340 files
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2575[14:58:00] <maxcell_> Hi
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2577[14:58:47] <jelly> ,v povray
2578[14:58:48] <judd> Package: povray on amd64 -- jessie: 1:3.7.0.0-8; sid: 1:3.7.0.0-9+b2; stretch: 1:3.7.0.0-9+b2
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2607[15:11:56] <Chunkyz> can anyone help me with this error please? replaced-url
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2615[15:14:53] <Chunkyz> anyone?
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2618[15:15:16] <ksk> Chunkyz: would be helpful to know the command you issued..
2619[15:15:27] <ksk> and what are you trying to do in the first place
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2622[15:16:02] <Chunkyz> ksk: xrandr is the command and I am trying to get kodi working.
2623[15:16:16] <Chunkyz> xrandr gives the error above.
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2626[15:17:12] <ov3rmind> try setup frequencies of monitor device
2627[15:17:26] <ov3rmind> this error is related to incorrect settings
2628[15:17:50] <ov3rmind> read about xorg.conf files creation
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2630[15:18:09] <ov3rmind> and setup xorg staticaly
2631[15:18:14] <Chunkyz> what?
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2635[15:19:33] <ov3rmind> you need to setup xorg for your hardware
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2638[15:19:52] <ov3rmind> have automatic way to do it but not work in any hardware
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2641[15:20:18] <evola> 8==D
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2645[15:21:40] <Chunkyz> ov3rmind: you've lost me...
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2655[15:23:44] <hellothere> Hey there, i've a question, can I set an option in useradd, passwd, ... in order to, when I create a user account, that user can log in without specifying a password, but will be asked to chose one at first login ?
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2660[15:25:16] <ov3rmind> chucklebug: the xorg is responsable by X environment
2661[15:25:25] <ov3rmind> ops
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2663[15:26:08] <Chunkyz> ov3rmind: yes and I can't start xrandr.
2664[15:26:26] <ov3rmind> Chunkyz: xorg server is the base of X environment
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2667[15:26:45] <ov3rmind> Chunkyz: you need to setup it for your box
2668[15:26:49] <Chunkyz> how?
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2671[15:27:11] <ov3rmind> write a smal file caled xorg.conf and put it in rioght place
2672[15:27:36] <Chunkyz> xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default
2673[15:27:58] <Chunkyz> lxde is working fine though ov3rmind i am on it right now!
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2678[15:28:26] <ov3rmind> xrandr controls X inteface low level driver
2679[15:28:41] <ov3rmind> your output is not seted up
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2681[15:28:53] <Chunkyz> so what do I do?
2682[15:28:58] <ov3rmind> you can try xrandr -r
2683[15:29:06] <ov3rmind> to obtain more information
2684[15:29:16] <ov3rmind> and read the docs
2685[15:29:24] <Chunkyz> idk what to do...
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2689[15:31:00] <evola> ὅτι ἦλθεν ἡ ἡμέρα ἡ μεγάλη τῆς ὀργῆς αὐτῶν, καὶ τίς δύναται σταθῆναι
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2691[15:31:45] <Chunkyz> evola: ?
2692[15:32:29] <Chunkyz> overlord_tm: so what do I do?
2693[15:32:32] <evola> the end is comoing
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2695[15:33:37] <Chunkyz> ov3rmind: so what can I do? it's really annoying me because that's why kodi isn;'t working,
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2697[15:34:54] <ov3rmind> atleast X is runing? you can open a terminal from a X session and try run "xrandr -r"
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2699[15:35:07] <ov3rmind> to see more information about your environment
2700[15:35:18] <Chunkyz> like I said im using lxde right now
2701[15:35:35] <Chunkyz> xrandr -r says to use xrandr --help
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2704[15:36:04] <Chunkyz> but i don't know what im looking for/looking at.
2705[15:36:09] <jmcnaught> hellothere: you can set a password expiry with chage(1) but i don't know about no password for first login
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2710[15:37:19] <Chunkyz> ov3rmind:
2711[15:37:21] <ov3rmind> Chunkyz: you need setup xorg server, try administrator debian handbook
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2714[15:37:35] <Chunkyz> xorg server is setup because im suing lxde
2715[15:37:36] <Chunkyz> :/
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2718[15:37:49] <ov3rmind> have many ways to do it
2719[15:37:59] <Chunkyz> is it because im using a root account?
2720[15:38:05] <Chunkyz> ov3rmind: ^
2721[15:38:09] <ov3rmind> ah
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2723[15:38:33] <ov3rmind> put the normal user on video group and try run X from a normal user
2724[15:38:50] <Chunkyz> how ?
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2727[15:39:42] <Chunkyz> every time I try and run x as a user and not root, it tells me /dev/tty0 permission denied.
2728[15:39:42] <ov3rmind> to put a user in a group 'gpasswd -a username groupname" with root on a console
2729[15:39:51] <Chunkyz> ov3rmind: ^
2730[15:40:41] <ov3rmind> try "gpasswd -a myuser video" substitute myuser for you user
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2733[15:40:59] <ov3rmind> make this in a console with root
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2735[15:41:15] <ov3rmind> logout the user and login again
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2741[15:42:53] <chunkyz> ov3rmind: this is the error as a normal user...(EE) parse_vt_settings: Cannot open /dev/tty0 (Permission denied)
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2745[15:43:20] <ov3rmind> put the user on video group
2746[15:43:21] <chunkyz> ov3rmind: I added: gpasswd -a chunkyz video too.
2747[15:43:32] <ov3rmind> probably this solves
2748[15:43:50] <ov3rmind> logout and login to changes be effect
2749[15:43:51] <chunkyz> no, it still gives the error.
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2751[15:44:22] <TomyWork> replaced-url
2752[15:44:26] <ov3rmind> try " id " and see in the output if have video group
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2755[15:44:50] <chunkyz> ov3rmind: uid=1000(chunkyz) gid=1000(chunkyz) groups=1000(chunkyz),27(video),28(sudo),85(plugdev),108(netdev),222(input),600(audio)
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2760[15:47:05] <ov3rmind> chunkyz: maybe fine
2761[15:47:17] <ov3rmind> the user is already on video group
2762[15:47:30] <chunkyz> yes
2763[15:47:44] <ov3rmind> had many error causes
2764[15:47:50] <ov3rmind> possibles
2765[15:48:09] <chunkyz> what?
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2768[15:48:22] <chunkyz> (EE) parse_vt_settings: Cannot open /dev/tty0 (Permission denied)
2769[15:48:25] <ov3rmind> permissions on udev or dev filesystem
2770[15:48:53] <ov3rmind> try an ls -la /dev/tty0 and show me the output
2771[15:48:53] <chunkyz> mate, im a noob with linux. you're confusing me....#
2772[15:49:07] <ov3rmind> excuse
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2774[15:49:15] <chunkyz> ov3rmind: crw--w---- 1 root tty 4, 0 Sep 22 13:58 /dev/tty0
2775[15:49:28] <ov3rmind> i don't have help much people and my english is poor
2776[15:49:35] <ov3rmind> excuse
2777[15:49:39] <chunkyz> ov3rmind: crw--w---- 1 root tty 4, 0 Sep 22 13:58 /dev/tty0
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2779[15:49:49] <ov3rmind> oh
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2781[15:50:03] <ov3rmind> add chunkyz user to tty group
2782[15:50:13] <ov3rmind> try it
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2787[15:50:44] <maxcell_> Gpasswd command
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2789[15:50:54] <jmcnaught> chunkyz: what is it exactly that you're trying to accomplish?
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2793[15:51:19] <chunkyz> jmcnaught: to get debian working as a normal user and not root.
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2796[15:51:56] <jmcnaught> chunkyz: you said earlier that you were logged into a DE, was that as root? how are you starting X?
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2799[15:52:15] <chunkyz> that was root yes jmcnaught
2800[15:52:18] <chunkyz> and sudo startx
2801[15:52:35] <jmcnaught> chunkyz: why not use a display manager (graphical login)?
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2804[15:53:06] <ksk> dont run a DM as root please :)
2805[15:53:09] <themill> chunkyz: that's really not the right way to start a modern X session these days
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2808[15:53:41] <chunkyz> the /dev/tty error has gone but now it's saying: (EE) xf86OpenConsole: Cannot open virtual console 4 (Permission denied)
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2810[15:54:53] <jmcnaught> chunkyz: ov3rmind: one does not need to belong to the tty group to run X. That group is to allow users to write messages to other user's ttys.
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2812[15:55:38] <chunkyz> jmcnaught: im just trying to get it working.
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2817[15:56:09] <themill> chunkyz: what, precisely, are you trying to get working
2818[15:56:09] <chunkyz> jmcnaught: this is the error now xf86OpenConsole: Cannot open virtual console 4 (Permission denied)
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2820[15:56:32] <chunkyz> themill: trying to get debian to run as a normal user, not root.
2821[15:56:48] <jmcnaught> chunkyz: if it is still open, close/exit the lxde session that is running as root. Then install a display manager such as lightdm or gdm3. You will be able to log in as regular user via the display manager's graphical login screen.
2822[15:56:50] <themill> chunkyz: is there a reason you are not using a display manager?
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2825[15:57:22] <chunkyz> I can't use 1 jmcnaught so that's a no go and yesh themill.
2826[15:57:38] <themill> chunkyz: why not?
2827[15:57:50] <chunkyz> themill: because I'm on a chromebook.
2828[15:57:57] <themill> and ...
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2830[15:58:28] <chunkyz> and it can't be used.#
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2832[15:58:46] <themill> [citation needed]
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2834[15:58:52] <geode> hello people :)
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2837[15:59:45] <jmcnaught> chunkyz: which release of Debian are you using? Is Debian intalled so that the computer boots into Debian, or is it running in some sort of chroot environment in chromeos?
2838[16:00:11] <chunkyz> jessie and yes.
2839[16:00:23] <chunkyz> it's through a chroot.
2840[16:00:59] <themill> Did it really take 50 minutes to get that rather important piece of information?
2841[16:01:01] <chunkyz> sudo startx works fine. normal startx doesn;t.
2842[16:01:20] <chunkyz> themill: I thought you guys might not help if I said..
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2845[16:01:48] <themill> Yeah, because actually knowing the cause of the problem would make it too easy.
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2847[16:02:44] <chunkyz> yeah so I don't know how to get it working.
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2849[16:03:08] <themill> !startx user
2850[16:03:08] <dpkg> By default, only root is permitted to run "startx". To permit other users to run this command, run «dpkg-reconfigure x11-common» -- you can permit anyone logged in on console to be able to run startx at this stage. Alternatively, use a display manager to handle login and X setup; ask me about <dm>.
2851[16:03:24] <themill> There will be two steps most likely. ^^ is one of them.
2852[16:03:34] <geode> hello i have a wireless card here is the output of lspci "02:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Wireless 8260 (rev 3a)" i installed firmware-iwlwifi from non-free repo. then did modprobe -r iwlwifi ; modprobe iwlwifi and reboot.
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2854[16:03:40] <geode> but no way it is not working
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2856[16:04:21] <geode> it doesn't see my wireless card
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2859[16:04:45] <chunkyz> themill: command not found when running that.
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2862[16:06:04] <Iridos> maybe you're not root?
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2864[16:06:33] <geode> anyone have an idea why it is not working? :(
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2867[16:06:47] <chunkyz> Iridos: yeah well it says this...replaced-url
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2869[16:07:40] <jmcnaught> geode: support for that card was added in linux 4.1, so you'll need to use a newer kernel from jessie backports (and newer firmware-iwlwifi too)
2870[16:07:52] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell geode about bdo
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2872[16:08:05] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell geode about bdo kernel
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2877[16:08:48] <geode> jmcnaught, thank you so much my kernel is Linux debian 3.16.0-4-amd64
2878[16:08:54] <jmcnaught> geode: take a look at the messages from dpkg bot. Once you add the jessie-backports repo you'll use a command like "apt-get -s -t jessie-backports install linux-image-amd64 firmware-iwlwifi"
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2880[16:09:15] <chunkyz> any idea jmcnaught ?
2881[16:09:28] <geode> i need to update kernel i think as you say. thank you so much.
2882[16:09:36] <hanshenrik_> i did apt-get install iceweasel --no-install-recommends; apt-get remove iceweasel; apt-get autoremove; apt-get clean; apt-get install iceweasel
2883[16:09:36] <geode> can i ask you whenever i need help?
2884[16:09:47] <geode> jmcnaught, thank you so much
2885[16:10:02] <jmcnaught> chunkyz: i presume that you're using that crouton thing, and that you should probably ask crouton support for how to get X working in the debian chroot
2886[16:10:05] <wewlad> hello, the newb is calling again. replaced-url
2887[16:10:13] <wewlad> apache's docs don't mention 'event' MPM module as not recommended, in fact they suggest that every modern OS supports some 2 things that define which MPM module to choose (and if both things are supported - 'event' MPM module is suggested).
2888[16:10:25] <hanshenrik_> on the 2nd install, suddenly it didn't install any recommends for iceweasel, even though, on the first install when i did --no-install-recommends, it recommended a bunch of extra packages
2889[16:10:27] <jmcnaught> geode: it's best if you just ask the channel but if i'm around and know the answer i usually chime in
2890[16:10:33] <hanshenrik_> why? and how can i get back the recommends
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2892[16:10:48] <k00pa> is irssi updated what is happening pls halp
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2896[16:11:22] <themill> k00pa: have you looked?
2897[16:11:51] <jmcnaught> wewlad: that sounds outdated. event is the default MPM on apache 2.4. Also with apache2 2.4 on jessie you no longer need to install the mpm packages (they're transition packages now), you control which MPM is used with a2enmod/a2dismod like any other module
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2899[16:12:09] <wewlad> that's what guys on #httpd are telling me too
2900[16:12:36] <wewlad> and they also supposed it was just an outdated wiki
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2902[16:13:00] <k00pa> themill: I have ran apt-get upgrade on debian 7 am I safe
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2904[16:13:29] <jmcnaught> wewlad: event shouldn't be used with mod_php (use prefork with that) or even better use php5-fpm and mod_proxy_fcgi
2905[16:14:14] <wewlad> jmcnaught: would be nice to see that in wiki as well, thanks for the knowledge :)
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2907[16:14:28] <jmcnaught> wewlad: you can update the wiki too :)
2908[16:14:49] <k00pa> problems solved brb
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2914[16:18:57] <hanshenrik_> turns out i had to do "apt-get purge firefox-esr" to get the recommends back for iceweasel..
2915[16:19:14] <hanshenrik_> weird shit, anyway problem solved
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2923[16:25:56] <balor> If I add an apt source for stretch to jessie's /etc/apt/sources.list it becomes the default, but if I put it in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/stretch then I have to 'apt-get -t stretch' to use it. Is this understanding correct?
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2925[16:26:12] <hanshenrik_> balor, nope.
2926[16:26:32] <hanshenrik_> uhh, i don't think so at least
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2928[16:27:38] <hanshenrik_> balor, also i think if you called it "stretch", apt-get would ignore it
2929[16:27:51] <balor> hanshenrik_, YEah, it has to be called stretch.list
2930[16:28:00] <hanshenrik_> and complain "stretch does not have an extension, ignored" or "stretch does not have the .list extension, ignored." or something like that
2931[16:28:08] <hanshenrik_> yeah
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2933[16:28:17] <wewlad> jmcnaught: does 'proxy_fcgi' module replace php or are both needed?
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2935[16:28:38] <hanshenrik_> balor, even with stretch.list , i think you're wrong though
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2939[16:29:24] <balor> Hmmm...I've just tried it in a VM. In both cases the stretch packages are picked up as default :(
2940[16:30:39] <hanshenrik_> if you "add apt source for stretch to jessie's /etc/apt/sources.list", it does NOT become the default, but you would have to "apt-get -t stretch-main install package" to use it
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2943[16:30:45] <hanshenrik_> .. i think. but im no expert.
2944[16:31:07] <hanshenrik_> whaaat
2945[16:31:15] <hanshenrik_> balor, what line did you write, exactly?
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2950[16:31:57] <balor> hanshenrik_, "deb replaced-url
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2952[16:32:25] <balor> hanshenrik_, I put it in apt.sources.list and then, afterwards, in stretch.list.
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2954[16:32:55] <balor> I'm trying to mix stable and testing packages by the name of the release. I don't want boxes in the field to use stretch as stable in a few months time
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2963[16:37:14] <moldy> hi
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2977[16:38:52] <moldy> i have a dsl router (pppoe, pppd) where this happens despite maxail 0 and persist: replaced-url
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2979[16:39:23] <moldy> now i am considering deploying supervisord or something like that to keep pppd running in case of trouble... are there any resources on this?
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2982[16:39:51] <moldy> e.g. how does debian launch pppd?
2983[16:39:58] <Iridos> balor, what are you trying to do
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2985[16:40:18] <jmcnaught> wewlad: mod_php5 adds a php interpreter to the apache process. An alternative to this is using php5-fpm which runs php in a separate process, and apache can connect to it with mod_proxy_fcgi (or mod_fcgid)
2986[16:40:32] <Iridos> i.e. what is the thing you're trying to accomplish why you try to add stretch to sources.list
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2988[16:40:41] <jmcnaught> wewlad: i just updated replaced-url
2989[16:40:45] <balor> Iridos, I'm trying to mix a few stretch packages with jessie. But I want to call them stretch and jessie, not testing and stable.
2990[16:41:18] <cra1g321> mixing packages often ends in tears
2991[16:41:22] <Iridos> balor, don't. use backports or backport the packages yourself
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2993[16:42:22] <Iridos> balor, replaced-url
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3003[16:44:03] <cra1g321> damn jelly, at least let the troll say his full speech ;)
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3005[16:44:07] <balor> Iridos, thanks. Didn't know about backports. It's what I need.
3006[16:44:11] <Iridos> balor, mixing testing and unstable works because they always stay close together (and testing/unstable breaks for various reasons all the time anyway, so no big difference) … stable and testing are too far apart so mixing only works for the most trivial of packages
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3008[16:44:29] <jelly> cra1g321: yeah no, please don't comment on this and similar crap
3009[16:45:06] <wewlad> jmcnaught: weird: I have php5-fpm installed, but I don't see php5-fpm in the mods-available
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3011[16:45:27] <hanshenrik_> it means php5 plugins available
3012[16:45:30] <hanshenrik_> fpm is not a plugin
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3014[16:45:58] <jmcnaught> wewlad: php5-fpm is not an apache module, it runs as its own service. apache connects to php-fpm using a FastCGI module like mod_proxy_fcgi or mod_fcgid
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3024[16:47:23] <wewlad> oh, that's what I wanted to know. so php5-fpm service (do I need to start it manually or apache will?) + module proxy_fcgi/fcgid (I have the former, but not the latter)
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3030[16:48:58] <geode> jmcnaught, :) just one question
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3032[16:49:11] <Iridos> balor, and some packages cannot be backported either because they just depend on too much new stuff which also depends on new stuff in turn and you'd end up with something that isn't "debian stable" anymore… Also mind that there are no reliable security updateds for backports
3033[16:49:32] <jmcnaught> wewlad: php5-fpm would be managed by systemd/init just like any other service including apache. If you're just starting out with apache+php you will likely find using libapache2-mod-php easier. The various web applications that are packaged for Debian will default to using this too. Once you get comfortable with that, look into using php5-fpm and mod_proxy_fcgi
3034[16:49:50] <hanshenrik_> balor, you may be better off installing from debian-backports.. or just compiling stuff yourself
3035[16:49:50] <geode> how can i change kernel to the third one on list ? replaced-url
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3039[16:50:33] <hanshenrik_> geode, ? apt-get install linux-image-amd64; would do it
3040[16:50:34] <vyadhaka> is it possible to have different OS install on separate filesystems/datasets like on freebsd with ZFS, I would like to have two different versions of OS install on separate filesystems/datasets so I can easily do some testing.
3041[16:50:55] <geode> hanshenrik_, but when i say uname -a it still shows old kernel
3042[16:51:02] <geode> let me reboot
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3044[16:51:06] <geode> i got now
3045[16:51:10] <hanshenrik_> geode, reboot
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3047[16:51:24] <geode> :D iam newbie sorry
3048[16:51:28] <geode> i will now
3049[16:51:50] <hanshenrik_> 4.6 is pretty close to bleeding edge tho
3050[16:51:53] <wewlad> jmcnaught: but php5-fpm has no use (at least for me) by its own, but it has use for apache, so does apache2 service start php5-fpm by itself if needed?
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3055[16:52:26] <hanshenrik_> wewlad, nope, init.d/systemd does, i think
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3057[16:52:48] <jmcnaught> wewlad: php5-fpm could be socket activated with systemd, i'm not sure if it's like that out of the box though
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3059[16:53:08] <wewlad> so I need to start php5-fpm manually?
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3061[16:53:33] <wewlad> if so - then I guess I need to put it into autorun somehow…
3062[16:53:34] <jmcnaught> wewlad: it's a service that will be started the same way apache, mysql, ntp etc are
3063[16:54:31] <wewlad> jmcnaught: that's what I'd like to get details about: do those services start automatically once those packages are installed?
3064[16:55:01] <jmcnaught> wewlad: on Debian most services start automatically once their package is installed, including php5-fpm and apache2
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3066[16:55:21] <wewlad> thanks! that's what I wanted to hear.
3067[16:55:29] <vyadhaka> forgot to mention I was talking about btrfs
3068[16:55:31] <zPlus> I've installed stterm from debian repositories, but the st website says the only way to configure it (bg/fg color, fonts, etc) is by changing its config.h and recompile. Is it possible for me to configure st this way, or can I only use the default settings packaged by debian?
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3072[16:56:07] <jmcnaught> wewlad: php5-fpm is not socket activated out of the box on jessie, but there is a systemd service unit so you would just need to make a socket unit... but again i recommend starting with mod_php to get your sea legs
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3076[16:56:33] <ZorroT> how do you enabled tap/tun in debian 8?
3077[16:56:53] <cra1g321> ZorroT you don't, its done by openvpn
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3080[16:57:20] <ZorroT> cra1g321: that's where the problem is -- openvpn fails to create a connection, citing inability to open tap/tun
3081[16:57:25] <hanshenrik_> and mod_php is more performant than fpm, probably due to the lack of ipc;
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3083[16:57:38] <hanshenrik_> on apache; dunno about nginx;
3084[16:57:48] <wewlad> jmcnaught: I don't really even see the difference (between pkg php5 and mod php vs pkg php5-fpm and mod proxy_fcgi), unless you could explain it.
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3087[16:58:09] <geode> hanshenrik_: i forgot to mention it is a dual boot machine. after kernel update i just see a blinking cursor on blank screen
3088[16:58:25] <geode> after reboot
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3091[16:58:53] <hanshenrik_> ouch. was the original kernel booted with something like console=ttyS1,9600 argument?
3092[16:59:07] <geode> yes i think with old kernel
3093[16:59:21] <hanshenrik_> then you must add that to the new kernel too. it probably still responds on ssh tho
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3095[16:59:30] <jmcnaught> wewlad: one runs php inside the apache process, the other runs php in its own process (as a different user if you want)
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3104[17:00:37] <hanshenrik_> by default they all run on replaced-url
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3106[17:00:50] <wewlad> jmcnaught: fpm is out-of-apache process, right?
3107[17:00:58] <hanshenrik_> (i think i've seen it running as root on several occations!!)
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3109[17:01:15] <hanshenrik_> wewlad, correct
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3114[17:01:44] <geode> hanshenrik_: the grub entry shows its Linux 4.6.0-0.bpo.1-amd64
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3116[17:01:53] <hanshenrik_> geode, and boot parameters?
3117[17:02:01] <wewlad> thanks. I guess the other way would be just to figure out how to use systemd to put service to autorun at system start…
3118[17:02:02] <hanshenrik_> "quiet" perhaps?
3119[17:02:05] <TomyWork> connman depends on var.mount, var.mount cannot mount without a network connection (it's an NFS mount). what do i do?
3120[17:02:39] <geode> yes it is written qwuiet
3121[17:02:43] <geode> iam on new machine
3122[17:02:55] <geode> quiet*
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3125[17:04:22] <ZorroT> cra1g321: "ERROR: Cannot open TUN/TAP dev /dev/net/tun: No such device (errno=19)"
3126[17:04:31] <geode> can you paste me the paste link back i am on new machine and will try to change the grub entry to other options
3127[17:04:36] <logithack1337> when i hit Fn+F8 on my keyboard, i can mute/unmute sound. however, only muting works as supposed to. if i press it again to unmute, i dont get any sound. when i look at the volume manager whilst i'm muting the sound, it mutes the main volume slide, the headphones and the speakers. when i unmute, however, only the main volume slide and the headphones become unmuted, the speakers stay muted. any ideas?
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3133[17:06:50] <geode> hanshenrik_: i really feel stupid now. do you still have the paste debian link i posted?
3134[17:07:08] <cra1g321> ZorroT, desktop or server ?
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3136[17:07:20] <hanshenrik_> <geode> how can i change kernel to the third one on list ? replaced-url
3137[17:07:27] <ZorroT> cra1g321: server
3138[17:07:37] <geode> hanshenrik_: thank you so much :) <3
3139[17:07:45] <ZorroT> cra1g321: same ovpn config works perfectly from opensuse desktop
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3143[17:08:26] <cra1g321> ZorroT, the server doesnt use the ovpn file, it uses it's own config file
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3145[17:08:46] <cra1g321> or are you trying to connect the server to a VPN server ?
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3147[17:08:48] <ZorroT> cra1g321: i'm sorry, i mean debian server
3148[17:09:05] <ZorroT> cra1g321: i'm trying to use the client (sudo openvpn <cgf.ovpn>)
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3150[17:09:53] <ZorroT> the server is a development web server, needs to connect to a client's api via vpn
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3152[17:10:22] <cra1g321> ah sounds out of my experience/knowledge
3153[17:10:42] <Guest60065> hello guys,does any .onion server up?
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3157[17:11:31] <cra1g321> some VPS providers have a option in their UI portal for enabling the TUN/TAP interface, so if its a VPS you could maybe check that
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3160[17:12:05] <ZorroT> this is my box -- like i said, desktop -> client works, it's debian 8 server -> client that isn't, with error "ERROR: Cannot open TUN/TAP dev /dev/net/tun: No such device (errno=19)"
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3163[17:12:33] <trer6n65h6h6> hello there
3164[17:12:54] <trer6n65h6h6> does any .onion server up?
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3168[17:13:38] <ZorroT> cra1g321: i believe i fixed it.
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3170[17:13:51] <ZorroT> cra1g321: ... by restarting. hadn't done that since installing openvpn.
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3189[17:18:32] <Time-Warp> anyone seen the tetris-bsd package
3190[17:18:34] <Time-Warp> lol
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3192[17:19:00] <geode> iam really sorry but for a beginner. this kernel update is pain in the ..
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3197[17:19:30] <geode> in text mode boot. it gives errors about nouveau
3198[17:19:55] <geode> ACPI warnings and etc
3199[17:20:02] <cra1g321> q
3200[17:20:14] <jmcnaught> geode: were you using the proprietary nvidia-driver package?
3201[17:20:23] <Time-Warp> never mind i found teh tetris-bsd!! finaly this magic moment
3202[17:20:33] <geode> yeah that shitty nvidia card
3203[17:20:39] <geode> do i have to remove
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3207[17:22:02] <jmcnaught> geode: you can still select the previous 3.16 kernel at the grub boot menu. Boot back into it, and then you will need to install the kernel headers from backports as well: "apt-get -t jessie-backports linux-headers-amd64" (or switch back to using the free/open source nouveau drivers
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3212[17:23:07] <jelly> Time-Warp: bsdgames ?
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3215[17:23:37] <Time-Warp> jelly: yea :D
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3218[17:24:06] <geode> jmcnaught: i was just changing the grub entries to older kernel. just one last question where can i found open source nouveau drivers? i mean after i install them. when i switch my desktop to cinnamon in jessie in says cinnamon starts in software rendering mode
3219[17:24:14] <geode> find*
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3225[17:24:43] <jmcnaught> geode: you do not need to edit grub config to boot into older kernel, you just select it from the boot menu
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3227[17:24:53] <geode> but with proprietary drivers it doesnt do that
3228[17:24:54] <Time-Warp> jelly: they have it named as blocks which is cool
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3231[17:25:20] <jmcnaught> geode: nouveau is what is used by default. how did you install the nvidia driver, did you use the Debian package, or did you run some shady installer script?
3232[17:25:58] <TomyWork> how do i tell systemctl to ignore a dependency when starting a dependent service?
3233[17:26:26] <geode> jmcnaught: i just add non-free repo to apt
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3235[17:26:45] <geode> and install nvidia364 or somethink like that
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3244[17:28:47] <jmcnaught> geode: okay. so stop editing grub entries, or undo changes you've made. Just boot into the 3.16 kernel by selecting it at the grub boot menu. Then install linux-headers-amd64 from jessie-backports. You may also need to "dpkg-reconfigure nvidia-driver-dkms" to get the nvidia module to recompile for the new kernel
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3247[17:29:14] <geode> jmcnaught: ok iam gonna do it now . thank you
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3251[17:29:18] <cra1g321> what gfx card do you have geode ? there is more than one nvidia package
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3255[17:29:34] <geode> geforce gtx 960m
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3258[17:29:50] <cra1g321> ah ok, very new gfx card
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3264[17:31:21] <jelly> TomyWork: you don't, make a copy of the service definition with that dep. removed I guess
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3285[17:37:24] <geode> i sometimes remember the speech of linus in a university and his thoughts about nvidia.
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3288[17:37:45] <geode> when i have problem with nvidia drivers
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3299[17:39:32] <geode> jmcnaught: dpkg-reconfigure says nvidi-driver-dkms is not installed
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3301[17:39:37] <geode> nvidia
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3303[17:39:56] <sophia7> her tits got filled with milk
3304[17:39:58] <sophia7> chapter 2.
3305[17:40:07] <sophia7> I asked her why her tits got filled with milk.
3306[17:40:16] <sophia7> end chapter 2.
3307[17:40:20] <sophia7> prolog:
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3310[17:40:35] <debkad> o_o
3311[17:41:02] <jmcnaught> geode: i'm not super familiar with nvidia drivers, but there is a wiki page about them: replaced-url
3312[17:41:17] <sophia7> how many tits are we wearing today? 5 she said as she milked her tits. There is enough milk for the whole family now. Lets put it in the fridge.
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3329[17:43:56] <geode> jmcnaught: dpkg-l | grep nvidia gives no output
3330[17:44:06] <geode> ok i will check the link thanks alot for your helps
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3332[17:44:54] <jmcnaught> geode: sounds like you might 1) not have been using nvidia proprietary drivers or 2) installed nvidia drivers with the installer from their website, which is bad
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3343[17:49:01] <balor> There are several suggested mechanisms on the Internet for creating an internal apt repository. I want an internal apt repo of my single package to help with testing. What's the best method?
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3347[17:49:58] <TomyWork> yay i got network!
3348[17:50:06] <debkad> cool
3349[17:50:28] <TomyWork> problem is, my / is still read-only (and i want to keep it that way) but connman thought it was a good idea to empty resolv.conf
3350[17:50:46] <TomyWork> right before shutting down
3351[17:50:48] <nkuttler> balor: replaced-url
3352[17:51:12] <TomyWork> so apparently, this guide is outdated: replaced-url
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3354[17:51:31] <nkuttler> ro / sounds like a bad idea
3355[17:51:32] <jelly> TomyWork: if you have resolvconf installed and /etc/resolv.conf is just a symlink to wherever under /run/ things ought to work, in thoery
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3361[17:52:59] <jelly> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 31 Oct 21 2015 /etc/resolv.conf -> /etc/resolvconf/run/resolv.conf
3362[17:52:59] <jelly> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 Jul 14 2011 /etc/resolvconf/run -> /run/resolvconf
3363[17:53:05] <geode> jmcnaught: i tried the installer from their website. with uninstall argument it says ther is no NVIDIA driver currently installed. anyway. iam gonna make a fresh install
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3368[17:53:55] <jmcnaught> geode: it's a good idea to taks some notes on what you do to configure your computer so that you can remember later :)
3369[17:54:13] <TomyWork> jelly let me verify wtf i'm on anyway
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3371[17:54:34] <geode> jmcnaught: i will :) thank you so much i take alot of time of you
3372[17:54:35] <TomyWork> /etc/debian_version says 8.3
3373[17:54:41] <debkad> the fail message when i reboot/shutdown it was about 'failed to swap off ...' or something like that
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3376[17:54:52] <TomyWork> probably a bit dated... didnt run system updates yet
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3378[17:55:05] <debkad> but journal can't find those errors
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3380[17:55:36] <jmcnaught> geode: if you continue troubleshooting you can fix your current system. Putting the errors you get on the paste site would help others assist you
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3384[17:57:19] <debkad> so many fail: replaced-url
3385[17:57:19] <geode> jmcnaught: i feel myself guilty when i ask too many questions. you are all busy here and have alot of things to do. :) maybe i change my system from debian to another distro. will search on internet now
3386[17:57:55] <TomyWork> jelly anyway, my resolv.conf is empty save for a comment saying it was generated by connman
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3388[17:58:07] <nkuttler> geode: this channel is here for support.. anyway, installing nvidia drivers is easy
3389[17:58:09] <jmcnaught> geode: people are here because they like helping, but it's up to you :)
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3391[17:58:27] <TomyWork> and it's not a symlink
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3405[18:00:41] <debkad> replaced-url
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3408[18:01:09] <TomyWork> gah, nfs is stupid... it wants to create /var/lib/nfs/state.new in order to mount /var
3409[18:01:14] <somiaj> geode: one thing to consider when changing distros, is you get a support community with your distro. Here at #debian we prefer to only support people running debian (which we do because we like to help people use debian)
3410[18:01:16] <TomyWork> circularity is circular
3411[18:01:16] <jelly> TomyWork: right, you may want to add resolvconf package to your image
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3414[18:01:48] <TomyWork> jelly well looks like i forget what i was trying anyway
3415[18:02:03] <cruncher> debkad, why are you on stable+testing channels on 2 different names writing the same question?
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3417[18:02:12] <cruncher> you thought if you change nick nobody would notice? :P
3418[18:02:32] <cruncher> are you on stable or testing? you know which channel to go i assume
3419[18:02:33] <jelly> ssssh
3420[18:02:39] <TomyWork> jelly my / is an sd card and i want to prevent any writes to it. so i thought i'd mount all the variable directories via nfs
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3422[18:03:01] <queso> I have a Lenovo X220 with Jessie on it. The laptop resets occassionally. I think it may be something with it overheating as it only happens when I have CPU intensive programs running. Is there a way to throttle things back to prevent overheating?
3423[18:03:06] <TomyWork> looks like that's not possible with the version of nfs that i have
3424[18:03:09] <debkad> cruncher, no, i tried to make this nick name but didn't let me in
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3426[18:03:15] <cruncher> even with the same paste-link.. :D
3427[18:03:23] <debkad> yes
3428[18:03:47] <jelly> queso: which temperatures do you get?
3429[18:03:54] <debkad> cruncher, i was on jessie and now may be i'm on testing
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3431[18:03:59] <debkad> not very sure
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3433[18:04:29] <cruncher> queso, if it resets its not overheating
3434[18:04:35] <cruncher> if it turns off, then yes
3435[18:04:54] <queso> cruncher: Sorry, it turns off.
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3438[18:05:11] <somiaj> debkad: well that is something you should fix. I suggest one stay on jessie unless they really understand what they are doing in debian. In this case though it might mean a reinsatll. The other option is dist-upgrade fully to testing. First choose a path.
3439[18:05:14] <jmcnaught> queso: i have an X220. i installed thermald which helps by throttling the CPU down when the termperature is high. I also get random resets periodically, i have never found any useful clues to troubleshoot. installing intel-microcode seems to have reduced the frequency
3440[18:05:24] <queso> jelly: I get things like this in dmesg: [107335.968654] CPU0: Core temperature above threshold, cpu clock throttled (total events = 4835)
3441[18:05:31] <geode> somiaj: i like debian. i like to configure it to my use. i will try to troubleshoot it. :)
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3446[18:06:15] <jelly> queso: alright, what does "cat /proc/sys/ibm/fan" say?
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3450[18:06:50] <jelly> queso: and when was the last time you vacuumed up the cpu fan? :-)
3451[18:06:55] <nmschulte> So, there's a neat tool called autorandr that applies X RandR settings based upon some intelligent configuration (profile descriptions and matching from the FS); it has a script hook mechanism too which makes it awesome.
3452[18:07:09] <nmschulte> Is there e.g. a `autopower` tool, for power management?
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3457[18:07:34] <debkad> somiaj, i was forced to change from jeesie to something else, i just folled someone to fix the wifi driver, he told me to use non-free + backport but not sure if i'm on backport or testing, in any case it is not unstable that all i know, i did the upgrade and the dist-upgrade when i did some change in sources.list too
3458[18:07:36] <queso> jelly: cat /proc/acpi/ibm/fan -- status: enabled speed: 3568 level: auto
3459[18:07:42] <teraflops> autopower?
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3461[18:07:53] <queso> jelly: I should probably vacuum in there :)
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3463[18:07:55] <somiaj> debkad: put the output of 'apt-cache policy' at paste.debian.net
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3465[18:08:04] <teraflops> nmschulte: u mean something like powertop?
3466[18:08:06] <queso> jmcnaught: Thanks for the tips, I'll try those.
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3470[18:08:48] <jelly> queso: echo "level 7" into that file to have it spin a bit faster. I'm not sure what's the optimal tool to do this automatically
3471[18:08:57] <nmschulte> teraflops: I made the name up; it's a metaphor, but it would do what autorandr does for X RandR, but for power. So, in a laptop, it can be in a few power statues: discharging bat, charging bat, and bat full/on A/C
3472[18:09:07] <jmcnaught> queso: the random resets happen for me when the CPU isn't hot, i haven't found a pattern. It happened last night for the first time in two months
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3474[18:09:18] <debkad> somiaj, replaced-url
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3476[18:09:26] <TomyWork> queso vacuumdb /proc/acpi/ibm/fan? :D
3477[18:09:57] <teraflops> nmschulte: did you take a look at powertop?
3478[18:10:01] <nmschulte> I want to inspect that state and do certain things based upon the detected state (like disable using a screensaver while discharging bat or charging a very low bat)
3479[18:10:05] <queso> TomyWork: have that running on a db on my other laptop right now :) which thankfully doesn't have the overheating problem.
3480[18:10:09] <somiaj> debkad: according to that you have changed to testing. and apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade should ensure you are running the most current packages in testing.
3481[18:10:10] <cruncher> jelly, wouldnt that be thinkfan?
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3483[18:10:15] <nmschulte> teraflops: I use powertop; all that does is configures the power states of various buses and peripherals, IIUC.
3484[18:10:23] <teraflops> nmschulte: ah
3485[18:10:28] <nmschulte> maybe I can query those details w/ powertop?
3486[18:10:30] <somiaj> debkad: note, unless you are familar with debian this can be a painful ride trying to fix bugs you encounter. I still suggest running stable, but this would requre you reinstall.
3487[18:10:42] <jelly> cruncher: no idea, but that one doesn't work OOTB for me
3488[18:10:45] <Guest98588> hello howto get netbeans jee instead of se version in synaptic ?
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3490[18:11:08] <jmcnaught> queso: i've tried looking for a pattern in the last log entries. If you are using persistent journald you can use a command like "for boot in $(journalctl --list-boots | awk '{print $2;}'); do journalctl --boot $boot --lines 20; done" to see the last 20 lines of each boot's log
3491[18:11:18] <queso> jelly: How do I echo "level 7" into that file? echo "level 7" > /proc/acpi/ibm/fan ?
3492[18:11:27] <jelly> queso: as root, yes
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3494[18:11:36] <jelly> if you use sudo,
3495[18:11:43] <queso> jmcnaught: I'm not sure it's overheating, but I suspect it is. When I have VMs running or a bunch of browsers with a lot of tabs, then it happens more frequently.
3496[18:11:47] <jelly> echo level 7 | sudo tee -a /proc/acpi/ibm/fan
3497[18:11:50] <verm1n> has anyone been able to get wifi working nicely on a macbook pro 15?
3498[18:11:58] <debkad> somiaj, in stable if you mean jeesie, i wasn't able to use the internet, no install, i wasn't able to update or install
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3500[18:12:04] <cruncher> jelly, yes, it doesnt ootb (for security reasons), you have to con

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