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4[00:01:30] <teraflops> Neon: chroot or just use a netinstall
in rescue mode, once chrooted fix your whatever you want and then
update-grub
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5[00:01:42] <teraflops> s/your/
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9[00:02:56] <Neon> Mh, what do I have to mount to /dev?
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14[00:03:33] <Sheraf> Hi
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15[00:03:39] <Sheraf> is ifstat displaying mbits or mo?
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16[00:03:52] <Sheraf> nvm, it says it
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17[00:03:54] <Sheraf> KB/s
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19[00:04:01] <Sheraf> so bytes, right
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23[00:04:47] <teraflops> Neon:
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24[00:05:03] <Neon> So, in general, what are the advantages and
disadvantages of: A) going back to using the old (Wheezy) kernel or
B) upgrading to a kernel newer than the default Jessie kernel?
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25[00:05:23] <Neon> Because the main aim of upgrading was to
get the newer libc version.
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26[00:05:39] <Neon> So if the kernel downgrade makes it
unusable again, it'd actually be no option.
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36[00:09:55] <teraflops> Neon: sorry I just read you wanted to
run update grub from a rescue shell, all that wheezy and libc stuff
scares me
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43[00:11:07] <Neon> teraflops: Yes, that's one possible
solution. So you don't know about compatibility between the 3.2
kernel and libc6 2.19?
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44[00:11:23] <teraflops> nope sorry
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48[00:12:08] <Neon> No problem, teraflops, your chroot idea
helped me a lot anyways.
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49[00:12:19] <teraflops> ok
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51[00:12:24] <Filystyn> HEX viewer
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52[00:12:26] <Filystyn> dd?
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53[00:12:28] <Filystyn> xx
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55[00:12:36] <Filystyn> there was goood one normal one working
and
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56[00:12:46] <Filystyn> OFC YOU THOWN OUT OF REP
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57[00:12:50] <Filystyn> it
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58[00:12:58] <jelly> Filystyn, lay off the fucking caps lock
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59[00:13:26] <Filystyn> I am waiting for urgent help here
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60[00:13:29] <missmbob> Neon: teraflops 3.2 kernel does work
with 2.19
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62[00:13:51] <jelly> you want urgent, try paying for an SLA
Filystyn
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63[00:14:02] <missmbob> Neon: teraflops hell kernel 2.6.32 is
the min for glibc 2.20
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64[00:14:07] <Filystyn> Whole day in front computer tomorrow I
am not going to tur this shit fore a frgging second
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66[00:14:45] <Filystyn> pukes, pukes on utf-8 bs. binary crap
and unreadabe manuals.
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68[00:15:04] <Filystyn> man hex
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69[00:15:06] <Filystyn> did not work
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70[00:15:09] <jelly> Neon, you can _probably_ live with 3.2 and
jessie userspace if you keep sysvinit
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71[00:15:10] <phy1729> od -t x1 should would well
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73[00:15:18] <jelly> Filystyn, hexdump -C
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74[00:16:01] <Neon> missmbob: Sounds good. Thanks for the info.
:)
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75[00:16:06] <Filystyn> how to have onyl first 100
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76[00:16:10] <Filystyn> this file has 500 mega
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80[00:16:24] <jelly> only first 100 what?
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81[00:16:25] <Filystyn> 1000 bytes
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83[00:16:41] <Filystyn> ofc ofc i wanted to see 100 mega
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84[00:16:45] <Neon> jelly: Probably? What could be issues?
Packages that require a newer kernel? What's sysvinit for?
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85[00:16:46] <Filystyn> :)
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86[00:16:53] <Neon> I've just seen that in the grub
config.
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87[00:16:57] <Neon> As menu entry.
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91[00:17:53] <jelly> Filystyn, use multiple tools and combine
them. first cut thousand bytes, then pipe to hexdump. or hexdump
first, then pipe to head for the first couple lines. Also learn to
pipe text output to less
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92[00:18:26] <jelly> Filystyn, and learn to say "thank
you"
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93[00:18:45] <Filystyn> | less
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94[00:18:46] <jelly> it will make your presence a bit more
tolerable
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95[00:18:48] <Filystyn> saw that ?
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96[00:18:58] <Filystyn> but thank you for hexdump
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97[00:19:02] <Filystyn> that was helpful
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98[00:19:09] <jelly> you're welcome
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99[00:19:12] <Neon> And what could be wrong with the backport
kernel?
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102[00:19:53] <jelly> Neon, sorry, I'm missing context. Do
you have a specific issue in mind?
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103[00:21:10] <missmbob> Neon: systemd should work with anything
above 2.6.39
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105[00:21:21] <Neon> jelly: Well, you wrote I could
"_probably_ live with 3.2 and jessie userspace if you keep
sysvinit". I assume you didn't mark that
"probably" for no reason.
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106[00:21:35] <missmbob> Neon: assuming everything is compiled
correctly :P
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108[00:21:39] <jelly> missmbob, provided there are a couple
config settings in place.
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109[00:22:03] <jelly> Neon: systemd was weird things from the
kernel.
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110[00:22:07] <jelly> wants*
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112[00:22:25] <jelly> sysvinit less so
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118[00:24:09] <Neon> So what's the higher risk? Jessie with
3.2 or Jessie with backport kernel (is that 4.10?)
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119[00:24:14] <jelly> Neon, probably is merely there because I
haven't or don't remember actually trying that setup.
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120[00:24:25] <jelly> higher risk of what?
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122[00:24:36] <jelly> nuclear meltdown?
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123[00:24:37] <Neon> Of bugs or system failure or data loss or
the like.
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124[00:24:56] <jelly> jessie-backports are made for jessie.
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125[00:25:14] <jelly> so if you have to, try those first
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126[00:25:24] <Neon> But they are not considered stable, are
they?
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128[00:25:24] <jelly> if you don't have to... don't
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134[00:26:39] <jelly> "stable", for a debian release,
means a known set of bugs. Changing a component in ANY way, be it
using an older or a newer version, is straying from
"stable"
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135[00:27:23] <jelly> if you're asking "will it
work" then the answer is "probably, it's supposed to,
if it breaks please report bugs. NO WARRANTY"
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139[00:28:24] <jelly> Neon, so again, do you have a specific
problem leading you to ask about nondefault kernels?
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140[00:28:39] <Neon> Well, I have a not working network adapter
right now and three options: use old kernel (3.2), use weird
workaround that involves setting up a PXE boot as primary and
letting it timeout, then a HD boot as secondary, or use a
jessie-backport kernel. As far as I know the 3.16 kernel has some
weird bug that makes my network adapter firmware not initialize
correctly.
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141[00:28:56] <jelly> use jessie-backports.
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145[00:29:16] <jelly> perhaps you're just missing some
optional firmware?
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147[00:29:50] <jelly> (but yeah, it's very possible your
particular hw has issues with 3.16, that's worth reporting)
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148[00:30:02] <Neon> I don't know, but I don't think
so. There's a guy that had the exact same problem and he has
much more knowledge than me. If you happen to understand German I
can send you the link.
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150[00:30:21] <mutante> jelly: that's what we though. but
then there was in his logs: "firmware: agent loaded
rtl_nic/rtl8168e-2.fw into memory" right before eth0 goes down
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151[00:30:41] <jelly> oh, realtek? Maybe get a better card?
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152[00:31:03] <mutante> ^ that's what i expected when i
said < mutante> Neon: unfortunately Realtek has not the best
reputation :p
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154[00:31:04] <Neon> I have no influence on that.
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156[00:31:27] <Neon> I've just rented the server.
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158[00:31:50] <jelly> surely you can ask the provider about hw
options
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160[00:32:25] <jelly> the easiest workaround would be to use the
kernel from jessie-backports
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162[00:32:36] <Neon> Mh yeah, I could. But I think, concerning
the time this will take, I'll need a workaround at first.
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166[00:34:03] <Neon> jelly: Yeah, I think I'll go with that
and hope everything will run fine.
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170[00:34:56] <jelly> "I'd like a server with an
actual server-level ethernet card"
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171[00:35:22] <jelly> "sure, that will cost you $$$
extra"
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181[00:37:32] <Neon> Is there a chance you've nothing
better to do than aiding me with setting the jessie-backport kernel
up?
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183[00:38:08] <Neon> I've never set a kernel up before and
I only have the rescue system. I'd go for chroot and follow
instructions on the internet.
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184[00:39:18] <Neon> Download this
replaced-url
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197[00:42:29] <piiiiiiiiiiiiiii> Hello
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198[00:42:32] <piiiiiiiiiiiiiii> I want to replace the current
network program that comes with Raspbian Jessie with WICD. How can I
do this?
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203[00:45:07] <chaddy> taht sounds like a raspbian problem,
piiiiiiiiiiiiiii
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204[00:45:27] <chaddy> s/taht/that/
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207[00:46:56] <piiiiiiiiiiiiiii> chaddy: Correct
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208[00:47:23] <chaddy> piiiiiiiiiiiiiii: what do you see when
you read the name of this channel?
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209[00:47:44] <chaddy> hint, not raspbian
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210[00:48:24] <piiiiiiiiiiiiiii> chaddy: I see chaddys channel
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212[00:48:32] <Neon> Plan is: mount my other system's fs to
/mnt, chroot to /mnt, use apt-get install
linux-image-4.6.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 to install the jessie-backport
kernel. Good plan? :S
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214[00:48:37] <piiiiiiiiiiiiiii> chaddy: And Rasp Debian
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217[00:49:21] <awal1> piiiiiiiiiiiiiii, this channel is for
debian support, not for debian based. but simply install wicd
(wicd-daemon, wicd-gtk...) then remove network-manager and
network-manager-gnome, reboot and you are done. thats how things
work in debian, probably the same in raspbian
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218[00:49:48] <awal1> dpkg: tell piiiiiiiiiiiiiii about debian
based
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222[00:51:20] <piiiiiiiiiiiiiii> dpkg: tell awali about Raspbian
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223[00:51:50] * chaddy passes piiiiiiiiiiiiiii a <tab> complete
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224[00:51:56] <chaddy> and the ability to read
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230[00:53:44] <piiiiiiiiiiiiiii> chaddy: Learn about Raspbian, I
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231[00:53:55] <piiiiiiiiiiiiiii> dpkg: tell chaddy about
Raspbian
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233[00:54:06] <piiiiiiiiiiiiiii> Good bye, I don't have
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236[00:54:25] <cra1g321> !raspbian
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237[00:54:25] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on
Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian
is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use
#raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support.
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238[00:54:30] <missmbob> !tell piiiiiiiiiiiiiii about away
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239[00:54:32] <chaddy> I'm plenty well versed in raspbian,
thanks, piiiiiiiiiiiiiii
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293[01:24:58] <cilkay> Hello. I'm building Jessie VMs via
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on my LAN. I'd like to specify that any requests to debian
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316[01:38:49] <jedediah> I'd like to run a shell script
if/when Unattended-Upgrade runs and installs packages. The default
configuration has a commented example of
'Unattended-Upgrade::Mail "root";' -- is there a
similar flag available for running a script instead?
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340[01:55:47] <battery> what is dd command?
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355[02:02:03] <erm3nda> battery, really? did u even googled for
it? it's an application to read, write data on devices. In
example, to take a full raw image of your usb in /dev/sdc1 you can
do "sudo dd if=/dev/sdc of=my-image.iso"
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357[02:03:36] <battery> oh thanks erm3nda :)
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358[02:03:51] <battery> to read and write data on device great
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359[02:04:03] <erm3nda> yes
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360[02:04:28] <erm3nda> u can even create files with random data
using if=/dev/urandom then setting bs and count
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361[02:04:56] <battery> i don’t know it yet :(
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362[02:04:57] <erm3nda> it's the most powerfull app, but
you may encounter easier to use the gnome-disks utility
"Disks"
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363[02:05:11] <battery> Disks
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364[02:05:28] <erm3nda> I only use dd to take full backups of
drives, including grub/mrb & partitions untouched
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365[02:05:38] <battery> oh
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366[02:05:53] <erm3nda> u can revert any disk if you make a raw
image of it
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367[02:05:57] <battery> i saw it on OpenWrt command
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370[02:06:05] <erm3nda> instead of partition by partion nor
something like that, like gparted
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371[02:06:32] <erm3nda> dd is part of every *nix OS
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372[02:06:48] <battery> oh great
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373[02:06:52] <erm3nda> is even on your Android phone, Buxybox,
etc
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374[02:07:07] <battery> then i will master dd command
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375[02:07:08] <erm3nda> OpenWrt is an open router based on *nix
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376[02:07:20] <battery> oh
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377[02:07:21] <erm3nda> i don't own it, but know a bit of
it
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378[02:07:33] <erm3nda> it's not free yet, right? XD
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379[02:07:44] <battery> thanks :)
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381[02:08:21] <erm3nda> even my broken android TV has Busybox
with dd compiled on it :-)
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382[02:08:41] <erm3nda> Also the Iphone as dd, because is backed
up by Debian 7 Wheezy
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383[02:08:50] <erm3nda> has dd
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385[02:09:34] <erm3nda> bye, gl
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421[02:29:35] <XndrK> I downloaded Flash for Chromium on Jessie
as a tar and unpacked it, but I have no idea where to put it so I
can start using it.
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428[02:32:17] <bazhang> XndrK, doesnt chrome come with flash as
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430[02:32:33] <bazhang> why use chromium
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432[02:33:00] <XndrK> Chromium.
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433[02:33:09] <XndrK> I could just download Chrome proper and
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434[02:33:23] <bazhang> it does
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from Google's website?
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460[02:48:51] <awal1> Xndrk, google chrome is based on chromium.
Chromium = chrome minus privacy, tracking ... stuff. and chromium
come with pepperflash yet
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463[02:49:51] <awal1> more privacy, minux tracking ^
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690[05:27:37] <kcirick> Hello all... I'm wondering if
lightDM (or any other DM) is necessary for me? I'm the only
person that uses this computer, and I only have one user account on
my system
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log into console then 'startx'... is this somehow a bad
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836[06:44:40] <plasmoduck> I don't get why people use i3
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842[06:49:39] <TomTomTosch> it's more stable. used i3 for a
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845[06:50:11] <TomTomTosch> and both are fine. not everyone want
to change every little detail in the configs.
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852[06:55:21] <plasmoduck> I guess some people feel
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858[06:58:47] <plasmoduck> TomTomTosch: you know how monitors
have a res limit, like 1080p, well I was thinking if you lower the
font size system wide for everything and somehow you call shrink
window sizes and gui interfaces that would be essentially like a res
increase hack kinda maybe yeah?
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861[06:59:39] <plasmoduck> But how could you shrink the size of
every gui interface window? Most have limits how small you could
make them, I'm guessing you'd have to change something in
the source and recompile them?
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864[07:00:21] <TomTomTosch> but that would just worsen
readability.
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869[07:01:12] <plasmoduck> Not lowering the font too much, just
a little
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870[07:01:23] <plasmoduck> Isn't that how smaller res works
anyway?
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876[07:03:27] <TomTomTosch> not really
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877[07:03:48] <plasmoduck> scaling
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882[07:06:22] <TomTomTosch> but it isn't scaling very well?
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883[07:07:15] <plasmoduck> true
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884[07:07:16] <TomTomTosch> even text with dpi designation
get's rendered the same pixel height on most displays.
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885[07:07:26] <TomTomTosch> s/get's/gets
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886[07:07:43] <plasmoduck> Is there any hacks or tricks to push
a monitor past it's native res?
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892[07:08:13] <plasmoduck> both 1080p but I'd love to push
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893[07:08:23] <TomTomTosch> no, your monitor has as many pixels
as the manufacturer put into it.
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894[07:08:30] <plasmoduck> like maybe a firmware flash?
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895[07:08:31] <plasmoduck> Ok
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897[07:09:01] <plasmoduck> I wonder about these types of things,
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899[07:09:04] <plasmoduck> sense
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901[07:09:18] <plasmoduck> like how you can overclock a
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902[07:09:49] <TomTomTosch> monitor overclocking is a thing, but
the benefits are marginal.
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907[07:10:28] <rhizome> what is the thing that allows command
completion for, say, my ssh/config?
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908[07:11:19] <plasmoduck> TomTomTosch: how could I do it?
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909[07:11:29] <plasmoduck> rhizome: tab?
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910[07:11:59] <TomTomTosch> rhizome: something in
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911[07:12:08] <rhizome> /usr/share/bash-completion/completions/
yeah
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912[07:12:25] <rhizome> just found it, i don't know why i
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986[08:26:35] <rozie> hello. I have problem with Debian stable
and python
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987[08:26:37] <rozie> File "/usr/bin/mpsyt", line 5,
in <module>
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988[08:26:37] <rozie> from pkg_resources import load_entry_point
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989[08:26:37] <rozie> ImportError: No module named pkg_resources
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991[08:27:29] <rozie> mps-youtube from stable (and it worked
fine on other machine)
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995[08:29:03] <jmcnaught> rozie: do you have anything in
/usr/local/lib/python2.7 (or 3.4)?
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996[08:30:18] <rozie> I have both.
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997[08:30:25] <rozie> I suspect python version indeed
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998[08:30:44] <rozie> python -V
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999[08:30:46] <rozie> Python 2.7.9
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1000[08:31:26] <jmcnaught> if it's in /usr/local then
it's not from a Debian package. Maybe on the machine that works
you're using Debian packages for dependencies, but you used pip
or something on this machine?
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1002[08:32:28] <rozie> no, it's rather new system and I
don't recall any 3rd party installs
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1003[08:33:28] <rozie> there are directories, but they are empty
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1004[08:33:33] <jmcnaught> /usr/local/lib/python2.7 should have
two empty directories, site-packages and dist-packages.
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1009[08:36:26] <themill> rozie: do you have the
python-pkg-resources or python3-pkg-resources packages installed?
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1011[08:37:33] <rozie> installed python3-pkg-resources and there
was no change
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1012[08:37:42] <rozie> installing python-pkg-resources right now
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1013[08:37:43] <themill> it would be the python 2 version in
jessie
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1014[08:38:05] <rozie> BTW how to change default python version
in system to 3?
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1015[08:38:16] <themill> you don't; there is no
"default python version"
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1016[08:38:20] <rozie> there's no /etc/alternatives entry
for this :-(
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1017[08:38:32] <themill> there is a default Python 2 version and
a default Python 3 version
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1019[08:38:45] <rozie> installation of python-pkg-resources
solved the problem
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1020[08:38:52] <rozie> reporting a dependences bug
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1021[08:38:54] <rozie> thx
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1022[08:39:06] <themill> yes, please report that as severity:
serious
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1024[08:39:29] <themill> (it's unlikely to actually get
fixed in jessie but at least it will be in the bts)
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1026[08:41:15] <rozie> I wonder why it worked on the other
systems
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1027[08:41:36] <rozie> probably disabled installation of
suggested and recommended packages here
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1028[08:41:44] <rozie> before python was installed
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1029[08:42:03] <themill> pkg-python-resources has lots of other
packages that depend on it so it was probably already there for some
other reason
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1030[08:42:27] <rozie> anyway, it is required, so should be
listed as direct dependecy
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1031[08:42:32] <themill> sure
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1033[08:42:44] <themill> hence me requesting that you file it as
severity: serious
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1034[08:43:02] <themill> It's already fixed in stretch btw
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1036[08:44:38] <Fat-Zer_> why creation of a swap file fails?
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1037[08:44:44] <Fat-Zer_> debian jessie
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1038[08:45:36] <Fat-Zer_> swapon complains: "swapon:
/tmp/swap: swapon failed: Invalid argument"
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1043[08:48:41] <Fat-Zer_> and another question: is it possible to
continue a debuild after stop?
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1047[08:52:04] <ransur0t> Fat-Zer_: - is this relevant to your
installation:
replaced-url
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1049[08:53:10] <Fat-Zer_> *about debuild seems supply -nc is
enough...
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1055[08:55:12] <rozie>
replaced-url
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1057[08:55:57] <rozie> Fat-Zer_: probably you have /tmp/swap in
/etc/fstab
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1058[08:56:26] <rozie> /tmp is cleaned on reboot by default, so
using swap in /tmp is bad idea
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1059[08:57:03] <Fat-Zer_> rozie: I've just need it
temporary...
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1060[08:57:22] <Fat-Zer_> sure, I've created it with dd
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1062[08:58:21] <cra1g321> just make a directory
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1064[08:58:38] <Fat-Zer_> ransur0t: I've got ext4 in lvm...
it would be strange if it doesn't supports the swap...
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1069[09:00:05] <Fat-Zer_> rozie: I assume the bug is not for me?
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1071[09:00:30] <Fat-Zer_> cra1g321: o_O
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1075[09:01:54] <ransur0t> Fat-Zer_: give man swapon a read to see
if you're missing anything
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1076[09:03:12] <Fat-Zer_> ransur0t: sure, I've watched it
through before aking here...
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1078[09:03:21] <ransur0t> ah, cool
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1082[09:05:19] <ransur0t> Fat-Zer_: what is the content of your
fstab?
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1088[09:06:02] <z003kbct> where can i get sources/headers for
debian 4.4.0-1 kernel?
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1092[09:08:14] <Fat-Zer_> ransur0t:
replaced-url
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1093[09:08:41] <ransur0t> z003kbct:
replaced-url
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1095[09:10:23] <ransur0t> Fat-Zer_: is line 17 for the swap you
just tried to create using dd command?
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1096[09:11:22] <Fat-Zer_> ransur0t: nope, it's a persistent
4G swap in lvm... I've just needed some additional memmory for
a moment...
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1098[09:11:46] <Fat-Zer_> and was pretty confused that it
doesn't work as usual...
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1101[09:11:57] <ransur0t> ah, I see. doesn't the swap still
need to be mounted for it to be accessed by system?
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1102[09:12:04] <z003kbct> ransur0t: i don't get it. but
headers for 4.4.0 are not in repository. which seems strange since
4.4 should be lts kernel
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1103[09:12:35] <rozie> Fat-Zer_: no, it's my bug
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1104[09:12:49] <rozie> Fat-Zer_: you need to mkswap after you dd
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1105[09:13:08] <Fat-Zer_> rozie: did it...
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1110[09:14:00] <ransur0t> z003kbct: what is your output of
apt-cache search linux-headers-$(uname -r)
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1111[09:14:57] <rozie> Fat-Zer_: permissions
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1112[09:15:09] <rozie> provide full output of swapon
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1113[09:15:35] <z003kbct> ransur0t: nothing
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1114[09:16:51] <rozie> Fat-Zer_: or not permissions
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1115[09:17:00] <rozie> Fat-Zer_: do you have your /tmp as tmpfs?
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1116[09:17:02] <ransur0t> just do uname -a, see what that
displays
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1118[09:17:16] <rozie> Fat-Zer_: just create that file in / not
/tmp
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1119[09:17:33] <rozie> then dd, mkswap, chown, chmod, swapon just
works
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1120[09:17:41] <z003kbct> 4.4.0-1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.4.6-1
(2016-03-17) x86_64 GNU/Linux
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1126[09:23:11] <Fat-Zer_> rozie: nope, /tmp is on root,
permissions are correct, tried the same in / — still the
same... so it does works for you, may I ask, what debian you are
running? and do you have root on lvm?
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1129[09:24:50] <Fat-Zer_> rozie: and what FS do you've got
on root...
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1130[09:25:00] <Fat-Zer_> rozie: just for make sure, my actions:
replaced-url
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1133[09:25:41] <ransur0t> z003kbct: try aptitude search
linux-headers
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1137[09:26:43] <z003kbct> ransur0t: yep. that prints a lot of
headers packages but not for 4.4 version
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1140[09:27:35] <ransur0t> hmm, perhaps find it at
snapshot.debian.org?
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1142[09:28:05] <cra1g321> is 4.4 even a supported debian kernel ?
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1143[09:28:19] <Fat-Zer_> z003kbct: nothing missing in
source.list?
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1144[09:28:22] <rozie> Fat-Zer_: dd if=/dev/zero of=/tmpswap
bs=1M count=100; mkswap /tmpswap; chmod 600 /tmpswap; swapon
/tmpswap
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1145[09:28:31] <rozie> Fat-Zer_: Jessie
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1151[09:29:29] <Zliba> how do i change the default kernel to
boot? i have access to /boot
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1152[09:29:43] <Fat-Zer_> rozie: same shit=) I know, it should
just work, so I'm as confused as you... I suspected systemd at
first... now I suspect lvm/ext4 mix...
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1154[09:30:09] <rozie> ext4 has nothing to do with it by itself
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1157[09:30:51] <rozie> /dev/mapper/vg_village-debian--root on /
type btrfs (rw,relatime,space_cache)
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1159[09:31:02] <rozie> looks like you have brtfs
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1160[09:31:31] <Fat-Zer_> rozie: >_<
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1162[09:32:17] <Fat-Zer_> rozie: damn, I was sure, I've
checked it...
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1163[09:32:29] <rozie> /dev/mapper/vg_village-debian--home on
/home type ext4 (rw,relatime,data=ordered)
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1164[09:32:41] <rozie> try to create directly at /home
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1171[09:34:01] <Fat-Zer_> ransur0t: You were right about the
swap/btrfs... thanks...
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1172[09:34:04] <maaartin> I'll do minicom -b 9600 -o -D
/dev/ttyAMA0 > output.txt 2>&1 but whats the correct way
to abort piping into the file?
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1174[09:34:36] <maaartin> first I start a script which does
"minicom -b 9600 -o -D /dev/ttyAMA0 > output.txt
2>&1" then I want start a second script which aborts the
first ome
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1175[09:34:42] <Fat-Zer_> rozie: sure... that's works...
thanks too for peaking me into that...
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1177[09:35:31] <ransur0t> Fat-Zer_: yw :)
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1178[09:35:49] <Fat-Zer_> >_< so embaracing...
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1179[09:36:46] <ransur0t> it happens to the best of us! ;)
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1186[09:37:41] <Fat-Zer_> Zliba: no access to /etc and/or no way
to run a script? you may change "default" in
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1188[09:38:40] <Fat-Zer_> but be aware it will be overwriten with
e.g. new kernel install...
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1190[09:38:41] <Zliba> Fat-Zer_, no access to /etc ; i've
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openbsd lol
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1191[09:38:55] <Zliba> ok
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1209[09:50:21] <Auron> Can nodm run few displays?
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1238[10:00:24] <quiqed> Hi, is anyone using haswell platform? The
sound has gone since last kernel update.
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1241[10:01:41] <towo^work> quiqed, stable or testing?
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1247[10:04:05] <ransur0t> Auron: searched, didn't find
anything on nodm multi-display config. What desktop are you running?
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1248[10:04:08] <quiqed> towo^work: testing
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1249[10:04:25] <towo^work> quiqed, install pulseaudio-module-udev
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1254[10:05:01] <quiqed> towo^work: ok, i'll try it first
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1262[10:07:02] <ransur0t> it seems nodm is simply a tool for auto
login, so display config is done in desktop config
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1481[10:50:47] <dagerik> ssh login takes an unusual amount of
time and is hanging on [system] Activating via systemd: service
name='org.freedesktop.login1'
unit='dbus-org.freedesktop.login1.service
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1482[10:50:56] <dagerik> pam_systemd(sshd:session): Failed to
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1487[10:53:12] <ransur0t> dagerik: try systemctl restart
systemd-logind
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1497[10:59:33] <dagerik> ransur0t: thanks. worked
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1498[10:59:47] <ransur0t> cool, yw
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1506[11:05:48] <dearfibonacci> is there any option to wake a
monitor every time the pc is turned on ? talking about arm arch. but
when the display goes "sleep" after a while the pc just
wont wake the display when it boots
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1524[11:15:53] <petn-randall> dearfibonacci: Check with another
monitor if its the system or your current monitor that is bugged.
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1526[11:16:16] <ransur0t> dearfibonacci: just about to suggest
same as petn-randall
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1527[11:16:54] <ransur0t> if you have a spare, 2nd mon, that is
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1529[11:17:28] <petn-randall> dearfibonacci: I'm guessing
the monitor is buggy, since powersave needs to explicitely be sent
from the video card via the vsync/hsync lines.
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1530[11:17:29] <dearfibonacci> petn-randall: ransur0t forgot to
mention they are industry displays with hdmi/dvi conns. gonna check
it out btw
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1532[11:17:56] <ransur0t> also try different vid inputs if
possible
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1535[11:20:59] <dearfibonacci> this with lcd works fine and
always wakes the lcd but when it comes to hdmi its just doesnt wake
the sleeping display, also tried to setup uenv.exe with kernel
parameters like to use always hdmi and stuff like that
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1536[11:21:57] <dearfibonacci> and to be honest also tried to get
uart output from it and getting text saying: Could not find a
matching pll-freq for.. when pressing display autodetect button
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1537[11:22:13] <dearfibonacci> (and after this ofcourse wakes the
screen)
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1545[11:26:26] <ransur0t> i suspect you may get better result
using dvi
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1549[11:27:27] <dearfibonacci> its hdmi-dvi connection so from pc
side hdmi on display side dvi
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1550[11:27:45] <ransur0t> ah, interesting
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1578[11:37:46] <Zliba> hey i have an empty file in root's
home directory called "dead.letter" that was created four
days ago.... wtf?
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1583[11:38:29] <Ticho> that usually happens when you start
writing an e-mail in programs like pine or mutt, but you don't
send it, or don't finish writing it
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1588[11:39:47] <Iridos> or it's a letter from the dead
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1611[11:59:11] <julius_> hi
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1613[12:00:30] <julius_> ive got a squeeze system here, which
rebooted today only to tell me that it cant find the root
device.....with kernel 4.6, 4.5.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 does boot the system
without problems. all kernels were installed with the usual apt. any
ideas why the newer kernel cant find my root on a encrypted lvm?
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1624[12:04:15] <SynrGy> squeeze + 4.6 kernel? why?
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1628[12:04:57] <babilen> "Can't upgrade" +
"Need newest software" ?
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1630[12:05:22] <julius_> oh wait
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1631[12:05:24] <julius_> no, jessie
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1633[12:05:53] <SynrGy> and which 4.6, then. from bpo?
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1634[12:06:02] <julius_> let me chekc
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1636[12:07:08] <julius_> vmlinuz-4.6.0-1-amd64 thats the
installed filename, what was a way to let apt search trough
installed applications only? so i can see more information about the
kernel
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1637[12:08:38] <SynrGy> aptitude versions ~ilinux-image
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1642[12:10:27] <SynrGy> slightly tidier, use --group-by=none
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1653[12:17:27] <RedCross> Hi to all, do you have an idea where i
can find xf86-input-libinput for debian?
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1655[12:18:35] <ransur0t> julius_: not sure if this applies to
your lvm setup, but have a look:
replaced-url
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1663[12:22:05] <ransur0t> mkinitcpio
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1674[12:30:41] <demoz> Hello, i was wondering if anyone would
know answer to the following question : if i use swap file on
external device(example USB) and if device fail or i eject it, will
the system boot normally ? The swap file is loaded in /etc/fstab :)
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1676[12:31:10] <julius_> ransur0t, the thing is that i did the
lvm/encrypt part with the debian installer...so i was expecting that
it would pick it up for never kernels initramfs....
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1680[12:32:07] <julius_> SynrGy, weird....that aptitude command
does not list the kernel 4.6 at all
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1681[12:32:15] <julius_> maybe its from jessie backports
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1683[12:33:27] <julius_> demoz, with systemd (the current boot
process) a not useable partition from /etc/fstab will halt the boot
process
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1685[12:33:43] <ransur0t> julius_: yeah, one would think, but
perhaps your system needs a point in the right direction ;)
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1686[12:33:45] <julius_> im not sure if you can skip that while
booting and keep on booting
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1688[12:34:24] <julius_> ransur0t, i guess i will open a bug
report....seems one of the cases that was missed
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1691[12:35:42] <demoz> julius_ thank you for the info :)
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1703[12:40:03] <zz__> hi, I have some really bad problem
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1704[12:40:15] <zz__> ";; connection timed out; no servers
could be reached" ;-;
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1706[12:40:27] <zz__> my bouncer cant connect.. nothing can
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1720[12:44:18] <julius_> cat /etc/resolv.conf
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1721[12:44:44] <recstecs> hi. is the ntfs support in linux now
considered fully stable?
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1725[12:45:01] <zz__> julius_, just two commented out lines
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1727[12:45:04] <julius_> zz__, on the other hand, your system was
able to resolve freenode.net
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1728[12:45:09] <zz__> no, it wasn't
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1729[12:45:14] <julius_> oh
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1730[12:45:22] <zz__> I'm connecting through my laptop
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1731[12:45:25] <julius_> well, you got no nameserver then...no
name resolution
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1732[12:45:31] <zz__> ok
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1733[12:45:35] <zz__> how can I add one?
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1734[12:45:49] <recstecs> resolv.conf
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1736[12:46:04] <zz__> "DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE BY HAND"
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1737[12:46:10] <julius_> write: nameserver 8.8.8.8 into it
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1738[12:46:35] <julius_> by default, the gnome desktop
network-manager will remove that entry pretty quickly
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1739[12:46:44] <recstecs> normally your router will forward your
dns requests
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1742[12:47:03] <julius_> recstecs, hes resolvf.conf is all
commented out
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1744[12:47:10] <julius_> his
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1745[12:47:14] <recstecs> oh
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1746[12:47:43] <julius_> actually, my gnome does that to me too
from time to time...it just clears resolv.conf for no reason
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1747[12:47:45] <zz__> julius_, it works, thanks so much
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1748[12:47:54] <julius_> no problem
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1749[12:47:57] <recstecs> i see
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1750[12:48:04] <julius_> remember...this is just a temporary
workaround
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1751[12:48:17] <recstecs> i used to be a network tech and admin
but maybe you guys can give me an adivce too :-)
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1752[12:48:20] <julius_> the problem will come back....you have
to look into it why resolv.conf was commented out
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1754[12:48:34] <recstecs> brb need more coffee
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1756[12:48:55] <zz> I enabled "TUN/TAP" in the vps
settings
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1757[12:49:01] <zz> it rebooted, then this happened
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1761[12:50:04] <zz> I'll just hope it stays like that
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1762[12:50:09] <julius_> could be a lot of reasons, maybe better
to discuss this on a debian forum with all the information in one
place
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1763[12:50:16] <julius_> it wont...
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1766[12:50:33] <recstecs> say julius do you have some time for me
please?
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1767[12:50:35] <zz> this is the first time it has ever happened,
every
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1769[12:50:40] <julius_> zz, as the file sys...do not edit by
hand. because it will be overwritten
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1771[12:51:01] <julius_> recstecs, just ask the question....there
are a lot more competent guys here
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1776[12:51:40] <recstecs> with every windows version they change
the ntfs version. do you think ntfs support under linux is still
considered stable?
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1777[12:52:00] <julius_> thats a question i cant answer
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1780[12:52:12] <julius_> i deleted my windows...
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1782[12:52:22] <recstecs> :-)
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1783[12:52:49] <recstecs> i just need to know it if i will
important data beause i want to import it safely and correctly
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1784[12:52:50] <missmbob> recstecs: read, sure. would i trust it
with writing shit i actually care about? not on your life
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1785[12:52:52] <julius_> in actually on a laptop that never saw
windows code run on it :)
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1786[12:53:13] <recstecs> thanks missmbob
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1789[12:53:36] <recstecs> it would be reading it to swap data
over to ext4
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1794[12:54:16] <recstecs> i have to deal with windows from time
to time
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1795[12:54:26] <julius_> missmbob, actually..."on another
persons life"...sure, why not ;) its not me
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1796[12:54:29] <recstecs> all my friends will still use it
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1799[12:54:52] <recstecs> and i wont tell my friends such
sentenses they are friends
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1800[12:55:17] <recstecs> i care for them more than i do care for
linux windows or for computers :-)
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1801[12:55:31] <julius_> see, theres the error in your ways ;)
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1804[12:55:39] <recstecs> yeah
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1805[12:55:43] <julius_> no youre right...but if its just
"fun" data
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1806[12:55:46] <julius_> you can risk it
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1808[12:55:55] <recstecs> fun data?
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1810[12:56:23] <julius_> i mean data from friends....youre not
figuring out a backup sheme for a big company or anything like that
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1811[12:56:38] <recstecs> companies data is fun data for me
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1812[12:56:48] <recstecs> :-)
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1814[12:57:03] <recstecs> i dont care if kraft foos data will be
lost
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1815[12:57:17] <recstecs> haha but i wont risk the family
pictures of my friends
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1816[12:57:54] <recstecs> hey missmbob do you think cvopy with
checksums will be better?
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1821[12:58:32] <recstecs> do you work for a bigger company
julius_ ?
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1823[12:58:52] <julius_> no
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1825[12:59:14] <recstecs> i just wonder why normal people think
company data is more important than personal data :-) to me regular
joes are still more important than companies
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1827[12:59:50] <julius_> sure it is...but companys fire you
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1829[13:00:04] <recstecs> their loss
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1830[13:00:11] <missmbob> recstecs: for copying stuff just mount
it and then do something like rsync -a
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1831[13:00:12] <recstecs> other copmany will hire you than
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1832[13:00:24] <recstecs> okay
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1833[13:00:50] <recstecs> thanks missmbob if i read bob have to
think about bob ross haha
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1835[13:01:41] <julius_> or you could have them open up a windows
share and you use samba
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1837[13:01:55] <julius_> not perfect either, but you dont have to
care about ntfs
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1838[13:02:00] <jim> ,v wine-dev
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1839[13:02:01] <recstecs> thats true
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1840[13:02:02] <judd> No package named 'wine-dev' was
found in amd64.
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1842[13:02:13] <jim> hmm. is that one spelled out?
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1843[13:02:22] <recstecs> but network will be much slower than
usb 3
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1845[13:02:31] <missmbob> ,v libwine-dev
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1846[13:02:32] <judd> Package: libwine-dev on amd64 -- squeeze:
1.0.1-3.1; jessie: 1.6.2-20; jessie-backports: 1.8.2-1~bpo8+1; sid:
1.8.3-2; stretch: 1.8.3-2
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1847[13:02:46] <jim> thanks
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1848[13:03:05] <missmbob> jim there is also wine-development. not
sure which one you were going for
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1858[13:05:07] <jim> the guy I'm trying to help, says the
latter
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1859[13:05:17] <jim> ,v wine-development
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1860[13:05:18] <judd> Package: wine-development on amd64 --
jessie: 1.7.29-4; jessie-backports: 1.9.12-1~bpo8+1; stretch:
1.9.14-1; sid: 1.9.14-1
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1862[13:05:50] <jim> ok, good enough... let;s see how it goes
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1864[13:07:20] <flashdisastr> Do have a noob question, I'm
running on a live usb for testing purpose before making the big move
from windows to debian, as root, i cant run tor, is there any way to
get on a normal user using a live cd ?
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1874[13:08:52] <missmbob> flashdisastr: never used live...but if
you have root you can adduser to make a normal user
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1875[13:09:38] <flashdisastr> ok so I have to create a normal
user each time I run it, got it thx missmbob
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1877[13:09:46] <ransur0t> flashdisastr: have you considered using
virtualbox to do your test run? could do a full install to get a
feel for it, without oddities or restrictions of live environment
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1878[13:10:42] <flashdisastr> ransur0t, not yet, I'm going
to have a look to try using virtualbox
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1881[13:11:25] <ransur0t> i recommend it
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1883[13:12:03] <ransur0t> and you can also run the debian live
images by mounting the iso to the cdrom
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1884[13:13:04] <missmbob> the neat thing about the latter is you
can shutdown virtualbox and it'll save the running state of the
live image. no redoing anything next time you want to get on and
still don't have to do the install process to try
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1886[13:14:37] <flashdisastr> yeah its quite boring, but anyway
it's just a question of days before I do the big move. Its
going to be a wild ride. but the previous days on my live cd almost
convinced me to uninstall windows
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1887[13:15:22] <ransur0t> you won't regret the migration
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1893[13:17:25] <recstecs> i am using some virtualbox-vms
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1894[13:17:30] <flashdisastr> I already did the move 10 years ago
on Mandrake haha, but at that time it took like 3 hours to find out
how to install drivers for a webcam, today things seems different.
less time wasted for such small archivement
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1895[13:17:37] <recstecs> it is a tad laggy
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1896[13:18:12] <recstecs> maybe i should use a different hardisk
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1897[13:18:46] <recstecs> hi missmbob
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1898[13:19:24] <recstecs> hi flashdisastr
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1900[13:19:47] <recstecs> which windows do you sue?
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1901[13:20:00] <flashdisastr> hello recstecs windows 7
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1903[13:20:05] <recstecs> i see
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1904[13:20:09] <flashdisastr> I still keep it for ableton live
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1905[13:20:24] <recstecs> i put my actual windows 8.1 in a
virtual machine it is a tad laggy
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1906[13:20:26] <flashdisastr> unfortunately no decent daw yet for
linux
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1909[13:21:01] <recstecs> i guess it is the hard disk that may be
not fast enough
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1912[13:21:03] <flashdisastr> Never tried windows 8 I heard its
total shit
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1913[13:21:11] <recstecs> people talk a lot
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1914[13:21:26] <flashdisastr> indeed
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1915[13:21:32] <recstecs> people tell they miss the star menu but
if you see em working they never suse the start menu lol
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1917[13:22:02] <recstecs> i am using windows since 3.11
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1918[13:22:21] <recstecs> people seem to always like the previous
versions better
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1919[13:22:29] <flashdisastr> wow thats old.. oldest one I
remember is 98
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1921[13:22:44] <recstecs> i would like to try debian later
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1923[13:22:51] <recstecs> so far i am using arch and antergos
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1924[13:22:57] <flashdisastr> I would say I was very happy with 7
after shitty vista
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1925[13:23:28] <recstecs> i have to admin that if you have decent
hardware you will not really notice if the os is really somewhat
slow
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1926[13:23:46] <recstecs> admit
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1927[13:24:11] <flashdisastr> Im using a thinkpad, most decent
machine I had until now
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1928[13:24:22] <recstecs> i try to stay neutral and see
advantages and disadvantages
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1930[13:24:40] <Fat-Zer_> what is the prefered way of managing
symlinks like /usr/bin/{gcc,clang} ?
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1932[13:25:08] <recstecs> linux is usually much more repsonsive
on most machines while windows still wastes resources
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1933[13:25:33] <recstecs> but to some degree it will be the virus
protection that you better have running while using windows
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1934[13:26:13] <recstecs> what is really wonderful about linux is
that you can still use very good older hardware
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1935[13:26:24] <recstecs> where windows will suffer
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1937[13:26:49] <flashdisastr> a friend of mine run debian on a
1GB ram config
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1938[13:27:03] <flashdisastr> I heard it can run well on a 512mo
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1939[13:27:04] <flashdisastr> sick
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1940[13:27:06] <recstecs> i like antix
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1941[13:27:19] <recstecs> antix is debian based if i am right
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1942[13:27:29] <recstecs> its fast even on very old hardware
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1943[13:27:40] <flashdisastr> it is
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1944[13:27:54] <missmbob> based on mepis which is based on
debian.
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1947[13:28:07] <recstecs> i will still need some time to switch
over fully to linux
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1948[13:28:36] <recstecs> i was thinking about freenas as a
server but why not using debian
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1949[13:28:38] <flashdisastr> I'm going to install Kali I
think. Want to learn about security
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1950[13:28:48] <flashdisastr> also based on debian
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1951[13:29:06] <recstecs> i see
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1952[13:29:16] <recstecs> is kali the new name or the old one
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1953[13:29:20] <missmbob> flashdisastr: keep in mind kali
isn't supported here
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1954[13:29:44] <flashdisastr> backtrack was the old on if Im
right
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1955[13:29:46] <ransur0t> kali used to be backtrack
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1956[13:29:50] <recstecs> okay yes
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1957[13:30:12] <recstecs> missmbob, seems to be a cool guy
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1958[13:30:23] <flashdisastr> missmbob, I will, but I find this
channel noob friendly for general linux issues
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1959[13:30:34] <ransur0t> i've recently used their virtual
appliance. vbox. good stuff. loaded with everything under the hood
you would need
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1960[13:30:49] <recstecs> i like when people are a tad more open
minded on irc
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1961[13:30:51] <recstecs> :-)
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1963[13:30:59] <flashdisastr> its not usual I agree
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1967[13:31:45] <recstecs> the idea of gnu/linux does not really
hm get along well with a closed mind i think
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1969[13:32:06] <recstecs> plus hating stuff and things is a waste
of energy
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1971[13:32:22] <flashdisastr> everthing is about frustrations
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1972[13:32:33] <flashdisastr> everyone experience them, some ppl
more than others
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1974[13:33:24] <recstecs> my windows system were always extremely
stable. if you know how to work with it. but it does not come along
with a the tools you need, plus surveilliance okay
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1976[13:33:44] <recstecs> but here people enter googles dns
servers in there resolv.cong
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1977[13:33:51] <recstecs> so isnt that supporting google too haha
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1978[13:33:57] <flashdisastr> my windows was always stable the 8
first month
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1982[13:34:21] <flashdisastr> what i find boring with it is that
to stay stable you have to reinstall almost every year
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1983[13:34:21] <recstecs> lol and the 9th month?
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1984[13:34:25] <recstecs> sounds like pregnancy
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1985[13:34:34] <flashdisastr> it is I guess
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1987[13:34:51] <recstecs> my windows was now 13 years old
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1988[13:34:56] <recstecs> months
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1989[13:35:04] <recstecs> now its virtual
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1990[13:35:16] <flashdisastr> maybe old versions were more able
to stay stable over time
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1991[13:35:32] <recstecs> what was really crappy that the
microsoft technet tool didnt work lol
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1993[13:35:47] <recstecs> disk2vhd
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1994[13:35:48] <sypher> Not trying to stifle you guys, but there
IS a channel for non-support chatter, #debian-offtopic.
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1995[13:36:06] <teraflops> I kindly agree with sypher
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1996[13:36:08] <recstecs> we did it onlyx because it was so quiet
here
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1997[13:36:16] <flashdisastr> ok sypher thx
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1998[13:36:26] <recstecs> didnt mean to upset you
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2000[13:36:30] <flashdisastr> yeah but I guess its quite cause no
one need support now
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2001[13:36:31] <sypher> Hey, no harm done, just letting you folks
know. :)
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2003[13:36:35] <flashdisastr> lets move for general discussion
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2004[13:37:03] <recstecs> i was only to suggest a way to move
well over to linux :-)
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2005[13:37:09] <recstecs> about
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2006[13:37:46] <teraflops> recstecs: nah it's fine,
it's just that some of us look at the channel when there is
activity, but in this case there is only offtopic stuff
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2007[13:38:17] <recstecs> say teraflops
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2008[13:38:48] <recstecs> how would you convert an old machine
into a vm?
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2009[13:39:00] <sypher> woo, p2v funtimes.
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2011[13:39:08] <teraflops> recstecs: which OS?
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2013[13:39:29] <recstecs> any
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2014[13:39:51] <teraflops> nope, it depends on the os
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2017[13:40:04] <recstecs> lets say if you want to help a friend
switch over and that she or he will still be able to run it is he
may need something out of it
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2018[13:40:12] <teraflops> if you ask for *nix, i would say rsync
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2020[13:40:24] <recstecs> i like virtualbox
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2021[13:40:52] <teraflops> oh I have no idea about vbox sorry
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2022[13:41:27] <Fat-Zer_> is there a way to tell apt to update
only specific repository?
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2023[13:41:33] <recstecs> do you use kvm?
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2024[13:41:47] <teraflops> I do
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2025[13:42:00] <recstecs> is it more repsonsive?
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2026[13:42:09] <recstecs> but it needs a special kernel?
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2028[13:42:24] <teraflops> idk since I only use kvm I cannot
compare
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2029[13:42:50] <sypher> recstecs: KVM capability is a default
feature for any Linux I've used in a while.
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2030[13:43:39] <teraflops> recstecs: e.g ~1.5GB ram 2 cores w10
machine on ssd just flies
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2032[13:43:55] <teraflops> virtIO for all the things
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2037[13:47:11] <recstecs> moment
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2039[13:47:15] <recstecs> needed more coffee
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2040[13:47:28] <recstecs> can you run it on the actual machine
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2041[13:47:42] <recstecs> or do you connect to the vm over the
network via a client?
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2042[13:47:51] <teraflops> it doesnt matter
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2046[13:48:21] <teraflops> I do it locally, you can connect to a
remote hypervisor if you want
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2047[13:48:21] <recstecs> kvm is part of the kernel right?
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2048[13:48:27] <teraflops> right
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2050[13:48:46] <recstecs> do you need a special windows kernekl?
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2052[13:48:51] <teraflops> nope
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2054[13:49:10] <recstecs> do you need to compile anything
special?
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2055[13:49:13] <teraflops> but I strongly suggest installing
virtIO drivers
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2057[13:49:30] <teraflops> on the guest
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2058[13:49:41] <recstecs> i see
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2059[13:49:57] <teraflops>
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2060[13:49:58] <recstecs> sounds like the guestthingy on vbox
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2062[13:50:28] <recstecs> i am not a full linux noob
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2063[13:50:38] <teraflops> not really, but you can make that
comparison
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2064[13:50:41] <recstecs> but need to get used to it again
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2070[13:51:06] <recstecs> i better note your name
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2071[13:51:15] <teraflops> ^
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2072[13:51:15] <recstecs> are you in this room on a general base?
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2073[13:51:44] <recstecs> i could need some of your knowledge :-)
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2074[13:51:56] <teraflops> I used to be here, but theres no need
to ask to a nick directly since people is pretty capable here
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2076[13:52:20] <teraflops> use*
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2077[13:52:30] <recstecs> hi lesik
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2079[13:52:41] <recstecs> do you write books?
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2080[13:52:43] <lesik> hello recstecs
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2081[13:52:57] <lesik> recstecs: no
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2082[13:53:02] <recstecs> oki
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2083[13:53:50] <recstecs> german ha
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2086[13:56:03] <recstecs> do you use kvm on debian?
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2087[13:56:07] <recstecs> teraflops,
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2105[14:02:45] <teraflops> recstecs: yes I do
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2106[14:02:47] <teraflops> heh
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2107[14:02:57] <DaffyDuck_> Hi; how does one find out what
Lua-version was used to build mod_lua? (lua seems to be statically
linked).
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2108[14:03:04] <teraflops> recstecs: virt-mamager
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2109[14:03:22] <recstecs> i have read that kvm is much faster
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2111[14:03:33] <recstecs> i have a i7-2600k and 32gb memory
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2112[14:03:39] <recstecs> and i find vbox slow
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2113[14:03:44] <DaffyDuck_> Are there build-logs for all apt
builds somewhere?
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2114[14:03:51] <teraflops> recstecs: try it and see, that's
the best advice I can give you
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2116[14:04:00] <recstecs> maybe it is the hard disk drive wihich
is only a notebook 1tb drive 2,5"
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2118[14:04:37] <recstecs> say teraflops can i run that kvm from a
usb-stick
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2119[14:04:42] <teraflops> a 5200 rpm notebook's hd is slow
if you have one of those
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2120[14:05:02] <recstecs> i could try an ssd
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2124[14:06:16] <recstecs> do you think a 3tb seagate drive will
improve performance?
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2125[14:06:51] <drkn0x> just any 3tb? Your space will increase
for sure.
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2128[14:07:22] <drkn0x> Sorry, late to the conversation.
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2129[14:07:34] <recstecs> was not about the space
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2130[14:07:34] <teraflops> what improve performance is sata vs
ide, sata vs usb etc. for the storage (where the vm image is stored)
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2131[14:07:55] <recstecs> of course it is sata
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2132[14:08:11] <drkn0x> sata3, sata6?
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2134[14:08:23] <recstecs> 3
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2137[14:08:50] <recstecs> i do not think that it will make a
difference as the max is like 200mb/s
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2138[14:08:54] <recstecs> its not a ssd
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2139[14:09:06] <teraflops> recstecs: then it will perform fine,
regarding read/write speed
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2140[14:09:12] <recstecs> yes
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2143[14:09:51] <recstecs> but i agree to your opinion that thew
5400rpm and the i/o of a notebook hard disk maybe a bottle neck
thats what my though is
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2144[14:09:52] <teraflops> windows does a lot of silly read/write
all the time
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2145[14:09:59] <recstecs> yes
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2146[14:10:11] <recstecs> you cant change its behaviour to swap
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2148[14:10:26] <recstecs> that what sucks about windows aswell
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2150[14:10:39] <teraflops> well I do not really care much about
windows to be fair
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2152[14:11:06] <recstecs> i have to maintain one of my old
windows to switch over to linxu slightly
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2153[14:11:19] <recstecs> unforunately
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2158[14:12:49] <recstecs> what hardware is the base of your
debian system teraflops
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2159[14:12:59] <teraflops> recstecs: many
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2161[14:13:41] <recstecs> do you think i can setup a testsystem
with debian kvm on a thumb drive?
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2163[14:16:59] <topik_> i'm trying to install a package1
which depends on package2 (without specifying version) using apt-get
-f install package1
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2166[14:18:13] <topik_> i get the message "package has unmet
dependencies: package '1 : depends: package2 but it is not
going to be installed
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2167[14:18:45] <topik_> yet apt-get install package2 works
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2187[14:27:04] <multilingual> i have installed jessie, lightdm
and MATE on my computer and i use it in english. i will share the
computer with 3 other people. Each one of them speak only their own
native language (spanish, french and portuguese). i want those users
to use the graphical user interface and all its applications in
their respective language. How can this be done?
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2192[14:30:03] <Arone> TGIF ?
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2198[14:31:12] <drkn0x> Once I pull an SLA out of thin air for my
organization, then it will be! Otherwise.. OSIF.
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2199[14:31:15] <recstecs> oh god, why do so many linux guys have
to be into conspiracy theories
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2203[14:31:22] <recstecs> gott lass hirn regnen
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2204[14:32:36] <drkn0x> Not sure about the linux guys and
conspiracy stuff. I know more Tin foil hat windows users than linux
folks.
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2205[14:32:55] <recstecs> okay
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2206[14:33:08] <recstecs> i met most here lol
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2207[14:33:18] <recstecs> but i did not mean to insult you
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2209[14:33:33] <drkn0x> Where is that? I am in California, USA..
Paranoid capital of the US.
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2210[14:33:34] <recstecs> just cant believe how many guys are
into that stuff nowadays lol
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2212[14:34:19] <recstecs> everytime i get into a personal talk
here on irc they start up that crap lol
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2213[14:34:29] <drkn0x> On that, I agree. And funny, I just binge
watched Mr. Robot, so technically, I should be into Conspiracies.
LOL
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2214[14:34:29] <recstecs> cal is the capital of that?
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2215[14:35:13] <recstecs> drkn0x, do you use debian?
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2217[14:35:37] <drkn0x> Well, feels like it sometimes. "The
Government wants us all on Drugs to control our minds" or
"Contrails are poisoning us." etc.
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2218[14:35:42] <SynrG> multilingual: the graphical login manager
should have a means to select the language when logging in
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2219[14:36:02] <recstecs> ouch
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2220[14:36:03] <SynrG> multilingual: that preference should
remain associated with that user's login each time they
subsequently login
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2221[14:36:13] <recstecs> please drkn0x
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2222[14:36:18] <drkn0x> And dear lord if Vandenburg AFB (Towards
the coast) does a test launch, folks loose their shit.
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2223[14:36:18] <recstecs> dont do that lol
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2224[14:36:34] <drkn0x> restecs Please/
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2225[14:36:59] <SynrG> recstecs & drkn0x, please take it to
#debian-offtopic
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2226[14:37:07] <drkn0x> Roger, sorry.
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2228[14:37:24] <recstecs> oki
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2229[14:37:30] <SynrG> thanks
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2230[14:37:35] <recstecs> welcome
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2231[14:37:46] <recstecs> i asked something but got no answer
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2232[14:38:15] <SynrG> re setting up a test system with debian
kvm on a thumb drive? all things are possible ...
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2233[14:38:17] <recstecs> do you think i can setup a test system
with debian kvm on a thumb drive? to test and see if kvm is faster
than vbox?
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2234[14:38:38] <drkn0x> SynrG I think attempted to answer you.
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2235[14:38:40] <recstecs> yeah but will this system limit
something?
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2237[14:38:48] <SynrG> I used to have virtualbox on a thumb
drive. i don't know why kvm on a thumb drive would be any
harder.
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2238[14:38:50] <drkn0x> Oh, to that Question, Yes.
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2240[14:39:04] <SynrG> limit? oh, definitely. you want a very
fast thumb drive
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2241[14:39:29] <drkn0x> I've run off a USB3 drive (Kali) in
KVM. Performance was not all that great, but it worked.
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2243[14:39:51] <SynrG> anyway. try it and see
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2245[14:41:20] <SynrG> multilingual: additionally, there are
language-specific packages per application for a few key
applications (libreoffice, web browser) so i assume you know how to
find and install those.
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2246[14:41:40] <drkn0x> ^ The ultimate answer for Linux,
regardless of kernel or distro. Better to Try things out, test and
play around.
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2247[14:41:55] <SynrG> multilingual: so with those two things,
you should be able to serve your users, each in their own language.
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2249[14:42:06] <recstecs> i do not mind to trust the experiences
of others
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2250[14:42:21] <recstecs> i do not have to redevelop the wheel
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2251[14:42:23] <SynrG> my experience with "VM on a thumb
drive" is that it is slow, but usable
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2252[14:42:31] <SynrG> no specific experience with kvm
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2254[14:42:49] <recstecs> did i state to put the vm on the thumb
drive?
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2255[14:42:53] <drkn0x> Nor do I, hence why folks are here. But
just saying, when in doubt, try it out.
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2256[14:42:54] <SynrG> the guest OS at the time was Win XP
(several years ago)
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2257[14:43:15] <recstecs> i said debian live from thumb
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2259[14:43:26] <recstecs> of course the vm would go on a
different drive
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2260[14:44:09] <SynrG> it's not what you literally said, no.
not in the line that i read :) i didn't see "live"
anywhere
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2261[14:44:14] <SynrG> maybe you meant to say live
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2263[14:44:22] <SynrG> or maybe that was earlier in the
conversation i skimmed
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2264[14:44:57] <recstecs> ok
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2265[14:45:00] <recstecs> and now?
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2266[14:45:24] <drkn0x> So your storing the .ova / .vmdk / etc on
the thumb drive, pre-configured, and wanting to import it and
maintain changes on that drive?
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2269[14:45:39] <SynrG> can you run virtualbox from a live system?
i have heard it done by some other live user, yes. but i think they
had certain ... complications
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2270[14:45:56] <drkn0x> Yes, you can.
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2274[14:46:25] <egazz> so I updated the kernel on my Debian
machine, and now X no longer starts automatically, and I can't
get wireless to work
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2275[14:46:30] <SynrG> but that may have been from putting the VM
container file on the cow filesystem implemented on top of aufs (or
overlayfs these days if you're on an up-to-date kernel)
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2277[14:47:17] <SynrG> but if you use "somewhere else"
for the VM container, i'm sure running the VM off the live
system could work
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2278[14:47:27] <SynrG> again, try it and see.
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2279[14:47:34] <SynrG> i have no experience at all with this
specific configuration.
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2281[14:49:15] <drkn0x> @ Work, I use an iSCSI target for some of
my VM's. So the 'Drive' is on another
server/computer, and the hypervisor (virtualbox / xenserver / etc)
reads it from there. If the gigabit switch goes down, I lose comms
with that VM, but I provide it as an example that yes, you can put
VM's virtually anywhere and still spark it up.
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2283[14:49:59] <SynrG> egazz: it's too late right now for
this to help, but if you check "share with other users"
option for the network, it is usable even if the GUI doesn't
come up, as NetworkManager will start it during boot
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2284[14:50:11] <SynrG> there is, in fact, a command-line client
for wifi ...
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2285[14:50:25] <SynrG> it may be simpler for you to debug this by
using ethernet instead, though
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2286[14:51:05] <SynrG> nmcli can be used to control
NetworkManager from the command-line
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2287[14:51:08] <recstecs> virtualbox?
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2288[14:51:16] <recstecs> i guess you do not read at all right?
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2289[14:51:26] <SynrG> we know you're trying kvm
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2290[14:51:31] <recstecs> didnt i wrote K V M ???
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2291[14:51:32] <SynrG> we're trying to help from what
experience *we* have
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2292[14:51:37] <SynrG> don't be an asshole
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2293[14:51:47] <egazz> synrg: network manager won't run at
all, and the applet for it no longer appears as an option in the
panel (using xfce)
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2294[14:51:56] <recstecs> thanks for your insult
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2295[14:52:09] <SynrG> thanks for your condescension
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2296[14:52:09] <recstecs> shows your IQ
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2298[14:52:33] <SynrG> please be considerate to the help. and
don't be shocked when you get a negative reaction when you
mistreat them
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2300[14:53:08] <SynrG> egazz: the NetworkManager service is not
running?
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2301[14:53:19] <recstecs> you parents obviously failed to educate
you manners
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2302[14:53:22] <SynrG> egazz: any clues in system logs?
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2303[14:53:36] <kdub> if I have version 1.4 in my
debian/changelog, is it allowed that he next version is 1.3?
(I'm guessing this is not possible)
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2310[14:54:09] <drkn0x> Not sure why you are even going off here.
Folks were helping you before I entered the channel, I tried to
assist as well. If you do not want help, there is always google.
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2311[14:54:09] <hid3> Hello everyone. I have a Cacti installation
running on my Debian box. The Cacti sends emails. However, the
'Return path' variable is set as
replaced-url
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2313[14:54:19] <Drzacek> Wtf just happened
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2316[14:54:57] <drkn0x> Great question. I guess since i listed
'virtualbox' as an example, the user flipped out because
they were using kvm.
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2317[14:55:24] <egazz> synrg: something borked my xfce install as
a whole, I don't know. It no longer starts automatically, and
am not sure why
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2318[14:55:37] <SynrG> egazz: what's the last thing you did
to it?
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2319[14:55:53] <drkn0x> egazz: Even if you change your runlevel?
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2321[14:56:20] <egazz> synrg: updated the kernel
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2324[14:56:42] <egazz> drkn0x: I can start it manually after
login, it just doesn't do it automatically
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2325[14:56:49] <SynrG> egazz: does the previous kernel work?
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2326[14:56:59] <SynrG> egazz: upgraded from what to what?
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2328[14:57:29] <SynrG> on a stable system, normally, kernel
upgrades would not break wifi ...
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2329[14:58:00] <SynrG> for testing/unstable, there is
#debian-next @ irc.oftc.net
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2330[14:58:14] <egazz> synrg: from whatever jessie has by default
to 4.5.0-2-grsec
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2332[14:58:28] <SynrG> egazz: so the first thing is to fall back
to the jessie kernel
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2333[14:58:53] <jelly> 4.5.0-2-grsec does not look like something
built for jessie
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2335[14:59:18] <egazz> jelly: it's in the repositories, so
that would be unfortunate :)
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2336[14:59:26] <SynrG> ,v linux-image-4.5.0-2-grsec-686-pae
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2337[14:59:27] <judd> No package named
'linux-image-4.5.0-2-grsec-686-pae' was found in amd64.
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2338[14:59:31] <SynrG> it's in backports
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2339[14:59:33] <jelly> egazz, which repositories?
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2340[14:59:38] <SynrG> sorry, wrong flavour :)
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2341[14:59:38] <egazz> synrg: ok let me reboot and try that real
quick, just a moment
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2342[14:59:44] <SynrG> ,v linux-image-4.5.0-2-grsec-amd64
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2343[14:59:46] <judd> Package: linux-image-4.5.0-2-grsec-amd64 on
amd64 -- jessie-backports: 4.5.7-1+grsec201606222150+1~bpo8+1
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2344[14:59:57] <egazz> that's the one
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2345[15:00:08] <SynrG> or 686-pae from i386
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2346[15:00:11] <jelly> I wonder why the abi does not contain
.bpo.
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2347[15:00:16] <Heylo67> hi, du i need to use root to recompile a
linux-source from debian?
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2348[15:00:24] <Heylo67> *do i need
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2349[15:00:41] <SynrG> jelly: strange inconsistency. ask the
backports list? :)
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2351[15:01:37] <SynrG> egazz: and i would say the next step is to
figure out if maybe you need an updated firmware from backports for
your wifi card
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2354[15:01:49] <SynrG> perhaps you do, and it wasn't
upgraded along with the kernel
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2356[15:02:10] <jelly> just asked their channel.
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2357[15:02:19] <egazz> synrg: I had them but they weren't
playing nice (would hard lock the computer on suspend). I saw it
suggested that they were written for a higher kernel version, hence
the upgrade
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2358[15:02:39] <egazz> synrg: I've reinstalled
firmware-iwlwifi since updating the kernel, to no avail
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2359[15:02:40] <jelly> egazz, did you do the usual userspace
fixes needed with grsecurity?
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2360[15:02:43] <SynrG> egazz: "had them" <-
ambiguous
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2361[15:03:01] <SynrG> newer firmware package from backports?
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2362[15:03:17] <egazz> synrg: no, what's in the main
repository
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2364[15:03:30] <egazz> jelly: nope
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2365[15:03:36] <SynrG> oh. so before the kernel upgrade you had
wifi working without firmware?
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2366[15:03:57] <egazz> synrg: no, it was working with iwlwifi.
But that firmware was also causing issues with suspending
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2367[15:03:58] <jelly> egazz, well, here's some news:
running a grsec kernel isn't just "reboot into it"
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2368[15:04:03] <SynrG> gotcha
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2369[15:04:16] <egazz> jelly: I'm noticing :)
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2370[15:04:32] <SynrG> so this is now out of my depth. i think
i'll stop trying to advise you. :)
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2371[15:04:34] <jelly> a bunch of common software needs to have
workarounds to make it work
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2373[15:04:41] <jelly> including the X server
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2374[15:04:47] <egazz> that'd make sense
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2375[15:05:00] <egazz> so is it worth messing with or should I
just re-install a different version?
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2377[15:05:05] <SynrG> you should carefully consider if your use
case is going to be worth all this extra effort to support using
grsec.
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2378[15:05:19] <egazz> probably not
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2380[15:05:29] <SynrG> it sounds cool and all, but unless i had
*very* specific user needs, i wouldn't want the headaches
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2381[15:05:31] <jelly> we don't know what is worth for you
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2382[15:06:12] <egazz> yeah I don't know as I have any
specific need, no
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2383[15:06:17] <egazz> so what's the safest way to revert?
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2384[15:06:34] <egazz> (but I'd like to have a newer kernel
version if possible, just to see if it plays better with iwlwifi)
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2385[15:06:38] <jelly> egazz, you'll want to learn about
paxctld (or the older paxctl) if you want to make some userspace
software work
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2387[15:06:53] <jelly> with a grsec patched kernel
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2390[15:08:01] <egazz> yeah that sounds like a project for a
later date
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2391[15:08:12] <egazz> for now, I'd just like to get the
thing working properly again
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2396[15:09:08] <egazz> so is it as simple as installing a
different version via apt, or is that going to cause more harm?
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2402[15:11:47] <jelly> yeah, pick a backport kernel that does not
have "grsec" in the name
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2403[15:11:55] <jelly> !bdo kernel
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2404[15:11:56] <dpkg> Newer kernels for Debian stable releases
are available from the "jessie-backports" repository. Ask
me about <jessie backports> to modify your sources.list, then
run «aptitude update». To install the current backported
kernel: «aptitude -t jessie-backports install
linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To
list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude
search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian
Backports))'».
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2409[15:13:46] <egazz> ok, I'll try that in a moment (have
to go into another room to be within range of an ethernet cable)
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2412[15:15:21] <Heylo67> i try to rebuil this backport kernel
with a localmodconfig but i always get
"scripts/package/Makefile:91: recipe for target
'deb-pkg' failed make[1]: *** [deb-pkg] Error 2", i
thought maybe i have not the right permissions to do that
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2420[15:21:24] <egazz> jelly: apt won't do it
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2423[15:22:02] <egazz> jelly: I get an error message that it
depends on "linux base >= 4.3" but that "3.5 is to
be installed"
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2424[15:22:18] <egazz> when trying to install the non-grsec
linux-image
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2430[15:25:26] <egazz> trying to install a different version of
the kernel (non-grsec), and I get an error message from aptitude
that the wrong version of linux base is to be installed
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2496[15:49:48] <boreeas_> I'm trying to pass env vars over
ssh (ssh target TEST=hello ...) - If the remote command is
'env', TEST shows up, but if the remote command is
'echo $TEST', nothing is printed
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2497[15:49:53] <boreeas_> can someone explain that to me?
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2506[15:53:30] <steinex> boreeas_: hm, it's the same locally
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2508[15:53:39] <steinex> if you do TEST=hello && echo
$TEST it works
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2510[15:54:35] <boreeas_> hm, locally it works fine for me both
ways
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2512[15:54:39] <boreeas_> remote, neither works
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2514[15:55:02] <SynrG> boreeas_: correct. you would need to
whitelist them
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2517[15:55:16] <SynrG> boreeas_: ssh has an option for saying
what gets passed through from ENV
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2518[15:55:21] <steinex> boreeas_: it does, if you quote it
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2519[15:55:23] <SynrG> consult ssh_config man page
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2520[15:55:29] <steinex> otherwise "echo $TEST" is run
locally
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2522[15:55:35] <steinex> ~$ ssh markus 'TEST=hello
&& echo $TEST'
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2523[15:55:35] <steinex> hello
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2524[15:55:45] <SynrG> right. that should work fine
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2526[15:56:01] <missmbob> boreeas_: you probably just need
PermitUserEnvironment in sshd_config
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2527[15:56:10] <SynrG> otherwise use SendEnv option
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2528[15:56:19] <steinex> i don't think it's an ssh
issue here
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2530[15:56:40] <SynrG> well, it depends. in some contexts,
modifying the payload (command) of ssh is a pain
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2531[15:56:42] <steinex> i find it indeed interesting that this
also doesn't work when run locally: TEST=hello echo $TEST
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2533[15:56:55] <blind> because the shell expands $TEST before the
whole thing runs.
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2536[15:57:22] <boreeas_> well, i mean
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2537[15:57:29] <boreeas_> works for me locally, that way
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2541[15:57:42] <blind> after you defined TEST maybe.
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2542[15:58:00] <boreeas_> might be a zsh thing?
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2544[15:58:09] <blind> ah maybe.
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2546[15:58:17] <blind> not sure the order of things with zsh
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2547[15:58:36] <SynrG> ahhh ... SendEnv in isolation probably
doesn't work (see missmbob's comment about
PermitUserEnvironment needed in sshd_config)
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2548[15:58:47] <Hello71> it works the same way. you already
defined TEST in a previous line
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2550[15:59:13] <boreeas_> anyway, even if I quote the whole
command to ssh, it doesn't work
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2551[15:59:32] <boreeas_> I guess I can just upload a shell
script instead...
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2552[15:59:36] <SynrG> actually, i think AcceptEnv is the
relevant option
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2553[15:59:42] <boreeas_> since i don't have access to the
sshd config
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2607[16:25:21] <SynrG> boreeas_: i don't think you need a
script. you just need single-quotes so the variable expansion is
deferred, i think
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2615[16:27:34] <bewbie> what is the package for paste something
to particular paste site?
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2616[16:27:36] <SynrG> boreeas_: local test case:
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2617[16:27:38] <SynrG> TEST=hello sh -c 'echo $TEST'
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2619[16:27:41] <bewbie> there was a package for that?
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2624[16:31:11] <SynrG> boreeas_: remote test case: ssh localhost
"TEST=hello sh -c 'echo \$TEST'"
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2625[16:31:48] <SerajewelKS> bewbie: pastebinit
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2662[16:47:47] <Misa3l> hello
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2664[16:48:12] <Heisen88> any body test debian on Mac BookPro
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2665[16:48:13] <Heisen88> ?
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2667[16:48:54] <babilen> Misa3l: Please don't /msg random
people in this channel
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2668[16:49:18] <SynrG> !mbp
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2669[16:49:18] <dpkg> The MacBook Pro is a laptop series produced
by Apple Inc., succeeding the PowerBook G4.
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2671[16:49:51] <SynrG> personally? no. and also, there are many
models, with different hardware, so if you're having issues, we
need to know exactly what.
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2672[16:49:51] <Arone> TGIF ?
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2675[16:50:30] <Heisen88> i just want to make sure i'm
triying to find the right linux distro for my mac
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2676[16:50:42] <SynrG> from my prior experiences with MBP, issues
tend to fall into two categories: grappling with EFI, and grappling
with Wifi :p
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2679[16:51:51] <SynrG> (but no, that wasn't debian)
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2681[16:53:42] <rattking> I have Debian on a mac book pro 8,3 and
due to the hybrid graphics (ati/intel) it was a serious pain. and I
am not sure if I remember how I did it
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2691[16:55:51] <rattking> I ended up disabling the ati chipset
all together (in grub I think) and just use the intel
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2693[16:56:49] <Heisen88> that doesn't sound good at all
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2707[17:08:14] <SerajewelKS> i have an encrypted system with
three LUKS volumes, each containing an LVM physical volume. the LUKS
volume containing / is encrypted by passphrase, the others by keys
stored in /etc.
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2710[17:08:39] <SerajewelKS> i just moved /usr to its own LVM and
now the system won't boot; it seems to be waitin for /usr to
mount before proceeding, but it needs to open the LUKS volume
containing /usr first.
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2712[17:08:59] <SerajewelKS> and /home is a separate volume too.
that was working before.
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2713[17:09:15] <SerajewelKS> is there some issue with having /usr
on a separate volume in this scenario?
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2717[17:12:03] <SerajewelKS> when it drops me to the initramfs
shell, i can recover by running cryptsetup to open the LUKS volume
containing the LVM PV containing /usr
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2718[17:12:08] <SerajewelKS> i'm just confused why this
isn't happening automatically
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2722[17:13:31] <SerajewelKS> is there something i need to
configure so that this happens?
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2723[17:13:38] <SynrGy> Heisen88: except 8,3 is rather old. also,
anecdotes don't necessarily make good predictors of success for
you unless they are for exactly the same hardware and exactly the
same Debian release.
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2727[17:14:26] <recstecs> hi guys is it normal that formating a
1.5tb hard disk drive with ext4 takes about 5 minutes?
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2730[17:15:08] <croddy> that sounds pretty fast to me
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2733[17:16:35] <recstecs> i am used to ntfs fast format
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2734[17:16:43] <recstecs> is it because of the inode allocation?
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2742[17:20:51] <jelly> recstecs, it's normal unless you have
a decent storage backend (ssd, or a raid10 with a dozen separate
disks, or a hw raid controller with lots of cache)
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2743[17:21:15] <recstecs> thanks jelly
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2745[17:21:27] <recstecs> is it because of the inode thing?
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2746[17:22:01] <jelly> it's some of the metadata, I do not
know which bit.
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2747[17:22:21] <recstecs> ok
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2749[17:22:46] <recstecs> if i will partition and format a new
disk
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2751[17:23:29] <recstecs> i want to mount it and give my user the
right to read and write on it
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2752[17:23:34] <SerajewelKS> i'm just not even sure how to
debug why the system won't boot with /usr on a separate
encrypted volume
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2753[17:23:58] <recstecs> do i only chmod the mount directory?
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2754[17:24:00] <jelly> if you're on debian 8, the initial
mkfs is relatively fast and some of the metadata creation is delayed
and done only after the first mount
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2755[17:24:16] <jelly> (search for "lazy" in mke2fs
manual)
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2756[17:24:17] <recstecs> i used gparted
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2758[17:24:50] <jelly> then ask gparted people about their mkfs
settings
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2759[17:24:54] <recstecs> better to use mkfs.ext4 ?
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2761[17:25:38] <jelly> all the tools use mkfs.ext4 (= mke2fs)
underneath to make an ext4 fs, it's just their choice of
settings that may be different
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2763[17:25:51] <recstecs> ok
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2765[17:25:54] <recstecs> thanks jelly
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2766[17:26:11] <jelly> if it's finished now, that's it,
no reason to do it again
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2772[17:26:54] <complib> anyone have experience with exim4 and
dovecot setup?
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2773[17:27:00] <recstecs> i want to copy data from an ntfs disk
to ext4 disk
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2844[17:33:16] <SerajewelKS> it seems that the initramfs
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2867[17:35:23] <bartosz_> I want to automate something using
xdotool but still want to be able to stop it (especially when
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2887[17:36:37] <SynrGy> bartosz_: define 'it'. the
automation, or the result of the automation?
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2890[17:37:38] <monkey_trauma> Question: when you run apt-get
update and it connects to the servers in your sources.list file,
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2891[17:37:40] <SynrGy> bartosz_: if it's the result (e.g.
signalling specific processes to stop), that can be determined by
looking up pids of things that are launched
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2893[17:38:15] <SynrGy> if it's the script doing the call to
xdotool, you could 'set -e' and return non-zero status if
something doesn't work out
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2895[17:38:29] <SynrGy> (assuming it's called by a shell
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2896[17:38:32] <bartosz_> The way I thought would be to run it as
long as some key is not pressed, but I don''t know how
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2899[17:39:02] <bartosz_> (with xdotool it's very easy to
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2900[17:39:06] <SynrGy> i would set up a trap in the script and
signal it when i want it to terminate
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2901[17:39:22] <SynrGy> i see
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3007[17:40:20] <bartosz_> It once took me 15 minytes to get a
script to stop because I couldn't even do ctrl+alt+F1 and it
interfered with every window manager shrtcut I could iagine
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3016[17:41:09] <bartosz_> So I would like something that
doesn't require me to switch to other window or type
anything/click anything
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3017[17:41:18] <SynrGy> bartosz_: maybe put hardcoded sleeps in
the script
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3018[17:41:29] <SynrGy> so it doesn't completely monopolize
the event queue
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3019[17:41:41] <bartosz_> The reason for automating it is to make
it as fast as possible, I'm trying to reproduce a raare bug
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3020[17:41:43] <SynrGy> very tiny fractional second sleeps
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3021[17:41:48] <greycat> You want to... do something... but you
aren't allowed to accept mouse or keyboard input as the
trigger.
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3024[17:41:58] <SynrGy> the actual delay doesn't need to be
large
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3025[17:42:04] <bartosz_> I can accept a single key but it needs
towork from any window
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3027[17:42:06] <SynrGy> just large enough to get a word in
edgewise, so to speak
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3029[17:42:35] <greycat> Your window manager can probably be
configured to intercept a specific keystroke in every context. fvwm
definitely can.
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3031[17:42:44] <bartosz_> I know xinput can do it
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3033[17:43:06] <bartosz_> xinput test 10 show all pressed keys
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3036[17:43:56] <plasmoduck> Eggdrop needs a config file to run.
For an example, have a look at eggdrop.conf which is distributed
with Eggdrop.
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3037[17:44:02] <plasmoduck> Where for the love of God is
eggdrop.conf located? I cannot find any clear instructions in the
man page about it apart from "
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3038[17:44:06] <plasmoduck> ^
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3039[17:44:23] <greycat> Presumably you create it with a text
editor.
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3041[17:44:39] <greycat> I've never run an eggdrop bot
though.
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3044[17:45:24] <SynrGy> if irc is for the impatient, perhaps the
eggdrop developers had no faith in people's abilities to read
man pages and therefore didn't bother? :)
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3045[17:45:31] <digdilem> plasmoduck, long time since i used it,
but iirc - examples are in /usr/share/eggdrop somewhere, and
you'd put them either in your home dir, or whereever you want
and you'd specify their path with a switch
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3046[17:45:32] <SynrGy> read the source
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3047[17:45:49] <digdilem> it's quite common to simply steal
someone else's eggdrop.conf off the web though
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3048[17:45:53] <plasmoduck> Thats it
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3049[17:45:56] <SynrGy> (also you could file a minor doc bug on
it)
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3050[17:46:01] <plasmoduck> Thanks
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3051[17:46:09] <SynrGy> might help the next poor hapless soul
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3053[17:46:14] <SynrGy> bug + patch, even better
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3054[17:46:17] <plasmoduck> I remember it's been this way in
Debian for years and years
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3055[17:46:19] <bartosz_> xinput --query-state device shows all
key states, I will try to use that
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3056[17:46:23] <plasmoduck> over a decade
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3057[17:46:30] <SynrGy> plasmoduck: smells like an opportunity to
help make Debian better :)
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3059[17:46:36] <digdilem> that's abouyt the last time i used
eggdrop, r :)
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3079[17:47:15] <digdilem> there's probably better ways to
help debian that working on eggdrop.It's old, horrible, and
better options are often available
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3207[18:02:27] <bartosz_> for my automation solution, I got it
working this way: until xinput --query-state 10 | grep -q
"key\[37\]=down"; do echo "do_thing"; sleep 1;
done
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3209[18:02:32] <ar_> a question? why many of servers use centos
instead of debian-based distros? i love debian
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3217[18:03:48] <greycat> CentOS is also very popular with people
who run stable servers. Nothing wrong with that.
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3227[18:06:07] <ar_> thanks greycat.. but why? i want to know the
reason... centos is stable and debian is stable.. both are open
srouce both are community based both both both...
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3231[18:07:25] <missmbob> ar_: a lot of it has to do because
it's based on rhel. their enterprise support is pretty great.
makes it attractive
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3233[18:08:59] <teclo-> ar_: well I love Debian GNU/Linux too,
but... many businesses use CentOS... like missmbob says...
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3234[18:09:08] <detha> ar_: with centos it is easier to automate
things. it also gives fewer surprises on updates.
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3236[18:09:14] <teclo-> CentOS is "like RHEL except you
don't have to pay for it"
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3237[18:09:17] <SynrG> ar_: in the RHEL world, there are some
ridiculously long guarantees of support
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3238[18:09:23] <greycat> Most hosting companies provide multiple
Linux options. So go with one that gives the option you want.
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3239[18:09:24] <teclo-> SynrG: that, too
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3244[18:10:03] <detha> centos also has some ancient versions of
stuff by default
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3245[18:10:11] <ar_> dear @detha i am disagree with you
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3247[18:10:35] <ar_> because debian's updates are very
stable and there is no surprising thing
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3250[18:11:28] <teclo-> to me Debian GNU/Linux updates are stable
and without surprises too
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3251[18:11:36] <ar_> yes
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3252[18:11:39] <greycat> !jessie samba
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3253[18:11:40] <dpkg> A security update in jessie upgrades Samba
to 4.2. The NEWS.Debian.gz file has some errors. See <replaced-url
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3254[18:11:49] <greycat> Occasinally you get one of those.
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3255[18:11:57] <teclo-> greycat: that is indeed correct
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3256[18:12:15] <teclo-> fixing holes in Samba required
force-upgrading to 4.2
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3257[18:12:23] <detha> ar_: <anecdotal>I run both; in
>10 years I have had one centos centos break something in tomcat.
I have had plenty debian things break behaviour on my
desktop</anecdotal>
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3258[18:12:35] <ar_> so, good and contracted support is main
reason for using RHEL distros.. yes?
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3259[18:12:56] <greycat> detha: comparing server and desktop
isn't quite fair though
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3260[18:13:00] <teclo-> ar_: that is one of the reasons, also
RHEL has certifications
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3261[18:13:04] <ar_> but centos has not any supports.. am i
wrong?
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3262[18:13:10] <ar_> redhat enterprise has
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3263[18:13:24] <teclo-> ar_: well RHEL has decent support
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3264[18:13:25] <ar_> centos has community based support and
debian has too!!
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3265[18:13:29] <SynrG> ar_: and "good" is a mushy term.
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3267[18:13:45] <SynrG> people can contract with consultants to
support debian in the long term
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3270[18:14:28] <teclo-> also RHEL might be a better choice with
Linux advocacy, when you've got management telling "Hey
Linux has no professionnal commercial support"... or "Hey
Linux is free, that's not expensive enough"
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3272[18:14:57] <blawiz> can one make urxvt -name foo override -e
bar, so window title is foo instead of bar?
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3273[18:15:40] <detha> greycat: true. but I have seen the effects
of using debian-derivatives in a server role on projects with an
8-year lifespan. $$$ in maintenance cost
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3275[18:16:09] <greycat> debian derivatives also don't count
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3277[18:16:16] <teclo-> detha: who's billing that much ?
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3281[18:17:40] <detha> teclo-: various conslutants. to fix stuff
where APIs or kernel drivers 'just changed'.
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3285[18:19:23] <teclo-> detha: sounds weird... I'd say the
biggest problem using Debian GNU/Linux for 8 years would be having
about 4 dist-upgrades (or 4 clean installs)
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3287[18:19:55] <teclo-> detha: but with enough knowledge and
patience, it should work
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3290[18:21:00] <detha> teclo-: 4 dist-upgrades means 4 times
re-certifying the whole she-bang. which takes 6 to 9 months, and a
bunch of temps for a month or two to manually verify things.
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3291[18:21:15] <TomTomTosch> but you don't need to upgrade
every 2 years. squeeze got LTS till 2016.
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3292[18:21:25] <sine0> is there a debian casual channel
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3293[18:21:38] <greycat> You'd probably skip a few
dist-upgrades and leapfrog from, say, version 5 to version 9.
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3294[18:21:49] <greycat> sine0: there's #debian-offtopic,
why?
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3295[18:22:03] <sine0> that will do. I just want to chat about
debian stuff that is not a question to be answered
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3301[18:27:27] <monkey_trauma> Question...why would I not be able
to run apt-get update when connected to a public wifi spot? I
confirmed I can ping common domains.
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3304[18:27:50] <LostSoul> Hi
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3305[18:27:51] <greycat> what's the error you get?
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3306[18:27:52] <SynrGy> monkey_trauma: does it catch fire?
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3307[18:27:54] <LostSoul> I've got a qestion
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3308[18:27:57] <LostSoul> question *
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3309[18:28:07] <LostSoul> How to redirect cron messages to mail
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3310[18:28:07] <SynrGy> monkey_trauma: or more usefully,
greycat's question :)
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3312[18:28:30] <LostSoul> Actually I've got it turned on, I
want to turn it off
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3314[18:28:33] <monkey_trauma> Hmm unfortunately I don't
have the error any longer, but it was along the lines of can't
connect.
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3315[18:28:36] <LostSoul> Any tip?
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3316[18:28:40] <greycat> LostSoul: do nothing special. All cron
job output (stdout+stderr) goes to email to the job's owner.
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3317[18:28:55] <SynrGy> monkey_trauma: so is it a "captive
portal" wifi spot? if so, did you first open a web page and
login?
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3319[18:29:06] <SynrGy> that could cause failures
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3320[18:29:24] <SynrGy> you might have only partial connectivity
before you finish that process
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3321[18:29:37] <monkey_trauma> SynrGy maybe that's the
issue...which is why I tried pinging google.com, and that worked.
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3322[18:29:49] <SynrGy> but google.com could be cached locally
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3323[18:29:53] <SynrGy> so that's no good
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3324[18:29:58] <monkey_trauma> Oh yeah?
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3325[18:30:02] <monkey_trauma> Hmm didn't know that.
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3327[18:30:06] <LostSoul> greycat: So long on linux but I
didn't know that, where can I find setting for that?
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3328[18:30:12] <LostSoul> If you don't mind giving me a hint
here
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3329[18:30:43] <greycat> LostSoul: it's not a *setting*.
It's how cron has worked for years and years before linux was
even *conceived*.
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3330[18:30:44] <monkey_trauma> So captive portal means I have to
open a browser and click "Accept" on their thinggy?
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3331[18:30:49] <SynrGy> yes.
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3332[18:31:08] <monkey_trauma> Ok thanks.
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3334[18:31:37] <greycat> bot will kick me for this but it's
worth it. HP-UX man page for crontab says:
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3335[18:31:41] <greycat> WARNINGS
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3336[18:31:41] <greycat> Be sure to redirect the standard output
and standard error from
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3337[18:31:41] <greycat> commands. If this is not done, any
generated standard output or
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3338[18:31:41] <greycat> standard error is mailed to the user.
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3345[18:32:49] <LostSoul> greycat: Sure I get it but I have it
somehow redirected to some mailing list
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3348[18:33:01] <LostSoul> How can I live it on local computer
only
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3351[18:33:19] <greycat> LostSoul: test this: echo testing | mail
"$LOGNAME"
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3353[18:33:29] <greycat> does it go to YOU, or is it forwarded to
this "mailing list"?
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3359[18:35:33] <circ-user-w7XT4> is any package that we can
install on RHEL but not on Debian-based distros?
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3398[18:53:25] <iamawesome> /part
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3400[18:53:47] <multilingual> i have installed jessie, lightdm
and MATE on my computer and i use it in english. i will share the
computer with 3 other people. Each one of them speak only their own
native language (spanish, french and portuguese). i want those users
to use the graphical user interface and all its applications in
their respective language. How can this be done?
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3403[18:55:50] <circ-user-w7XT4> multilingual you should use
program resources
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3422[19:03:50] <multilingual> arash, sorry? how? what coomands?
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3428[19:06:29] <SynrGy> multilingual: i gave some advice earlier.
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3429[19:06:50] <multilingual> and i told you it did not work
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3430[19:07:11] <SynrGy> i missed that.
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3431[19:07:17] <multilingual> will be back soon
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3432[19:07:17] <SynrGy> what part didn't work?
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