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4 [00:01:30] <teraflops> Neon: chroot or just use a netinstall
in rescue mode, once chrooted fix your whatever you want and then
update-grub
5 [00:01:42] <teraflops> s/your/
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9 [00:02:56] <Neon> Mh, what do I have to mount to /dev?
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14 [00:03:33] <Sheraf> Hi
15 [00:03:39] <Sheraf> is ifstat displaying mbits or mo?
16 [00:03:52] <Sheraf> nvm, it says it
17 [00:03:54] <Sheraf> KB/s
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19 [00:04:01] <Sheraf> so bytes, right
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23 [00:04:47] <teraflops> Neon:
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24 [00:05:03] <Neon> So, in general, what are the advantages and
disadvantages of: A) going back to using the old (Wheezy) kernel or
B) upgrading to a kernel newer than the default Jessie kernel?
25 [00:05:23] <Neon> Because the main aim of upgrading was to
get the newer libc version.
26 [00:05:39] <Neon> So if the kernel downgrade makes it
unusable again, it'd actually be no option.
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36 [00:09:55] <teraflops> Neon: sorry I just read you wanted to
run update grub from a rescue shell, all that wheezy and libc stuff
scares me
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43 [00:11:07] <Neon> teraflops: Yes, that's one possible
solution. So you don't know about compatibility between the 3.2
kernel and libc6 2.19?
44 [00:11:23] <teraflops> nope sorry
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48 [00:12:08] <Neon> No problem, teraflops, your chroot idea
helped me a lot anyways.
49 [00:12:19] <teraflops> ok
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51 [00:12:24] <Filystyn> HEX viewer
52 [00:12:26] <Filystyn> dd?
53 [00:12:28] <Filystyn> xx
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55 [00:12:36] <Filystyn> there was goood one normal one working
and
56 [00:12:46] <Filystyn> OFC YOU THOWN OUT OF REP
57 [00:12:50] <Filystyn> it
58 [00:12:58] <jelly> Filystyn, lay off the fucking caps lock
59 [00:13:26] <Filystyn> I am waiting for urgent help here
60 [00:13:29] <missmbob> Neon: teraflops 3.2 kernel does work
with 2.19
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62 [00:13:51] <jelly> you want urgent, try paying for an SLA
Filystyn
63 [00:14:02] <missmbob> Neon: teraflops hell kernel 2.6.32 is
the min for glibc 2.20
64 [00:14:07] <Filystyn> Whole day in front computer tomorrow I
am not going to tur this shit fore a frgging second
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66 [00:14:45] <Filystyn> pukes, pukes on utf-8 bs. binary crap
and unreadabe manuals.
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68 [00:15:04] <Filystyn> man hex
69 [00:15:06] <Filystyn> did not work
70 [00:15:09] <jelly> Neon, you can _probably_ live with 3.2 and
jessie userspace if you keep sysvinit
71 [00:15:10] <phy1729> od -t x1 should would well
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73 [00:15:18] <jelly> Filystyn, hexdump -C
74 [00:16:01] <Neon> missmbob: Sounds good. Thanks for the info.
:)
75 [00:16:06] <Filystyn> how to have onyl first 100
76 [00:16:10] <Filystyn> this file has 500 mega
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80 [00:16:24] <jelly> only first 100 what?
81 [00:16:25] <Filystyn> 1000 bytes
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83 [00:16:41] <Filystyn> ofc ofc i wanted to see 100 mega
84 [00:16:45] <Neon> jelly: Probably? What could be issues?
Packages that require a newer kernel? What's sysvinit for?
85 [00:16:46] <Filystyn> :)
86 [00:16:53] <Neon> I've just seen that in the grub
config.
87 [00:16:57] <Neon> As menu entry.
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91 [00:17:53] <jelly> Filystyn, use multiple tools and combine
them. first cut thousand bytes, then pipe to hexdump. or hexdump
first, then pipe to head for the first couple lines. Also learn to
pipe text output to less
92 [00:18:26] <jelly> Filystyn, and learn to say "thank
you"
93 [00:18:45] <Filystyn> | less
94 [00:18:46] <jelly> it will make your presence a bit more
tolerable
95 [00:18:48] <Filystyn> saw that ?
96 [00:18:58] <Filystyn> but thank you for hexdump
97 [00:19:02] <Filystyn> that was helpful
98 [00:19:09] <jelly> you're welcome
99 [00:19:12] <Neon> And what could be wrong with the backport
kernel?
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102 [00:19:53] <jelly> Neon, sorry, I'm missing context. Do
you have a specific issue in mind?
103 [00:21:10] <missmbob> Neon: systemd should work with anything
above 2.6.39
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105 [00:21:21] <Neon> jelly: Well, you wrote I could
"_probably_ live with 3.2 and jessie userspace if you keep
sysvinit". I assume you didn't mark that
"probably" for no reason.
106 [00:21:35] <missmbob> Neon: assuming everything is compiled
correctly :P
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108 [00:21:39] <jelly> missmbob, provided there are a couple
config settings in place.
109 [00:22:03] <jelly> Neon: systemd was weird things from the
kernel.
110 [00:22:07] <jelly> wants*
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112 [00:22:25] <jelly> sysvinit less so
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118 [00:24:09] <Neon> So what's the higher risk? Jessie with
3.2 or Jessie with backport kernel (is that 4.10?)
119 [00:24:14] <jelly> Neon, probably is merely there because I
haven't or don't remember actually trying that setup.
120 [00:24:25] <jelly> higher risk of what?
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122 [00:24:36] <jelly> nuclear meltdown?
123 [00:24:37] <Neon> Of bugs or system failure or data loss or
the like.
124 [00:24:56] <jelly> jessie-backports are made for jessie.
125 [00:25:14] <jelly> so if you have to, try those first
126 [00:25:24] <Neon> But they are not considered stable, are
they?
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128 [00:25:24] <jelly> if you don't have to... don't
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134 [00:26:39] <jelly> "stable", for a debian release,
means a known set of bugs. Changing a component in ANY way, be it
using an older or a newer version, is straying from
"stable"
135 [00:27:23] <jelly> if you're asking "will it
work" then the answer is "probably, it's supposed to,
if it breaks please report bugs. NO WARRANTY"
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139 [00:28:24] <jelly> Neon, so again, do you have a specific
problem leading you to ask about nondefault kernels?
140 [00:28:39] <Neon> Well, I have a not working network adapter
right now and three options: use old kernel (3.2), use weird
workaround that involves setting up a PXE boot as primary and
letting it timeout, then a HD boot as secondary, or use a
jessie-backport kernel. As far as I know the 3.16 kernel has some
weird bug that makes my network adapter firmware not initialize
correctly.
141 [00:28:56] <jelly> use jessie-backports.
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145 [00:29:16] <jelly> perhaps you're just missing some
optional firmware?
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147 [00:29:50] <jelly> (but yeah, it's very possible your
particular hw has issues with 3.16, that's worth reporting)
148 [00:30:02] <Neon> I don't know, but I don't think
so. There's a guy that had the exact same problem and he has
much more knowledge than me. If you happen to understand German I
can send you the link.
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150 [00:30:21] <mutante> jelly: that's what we though. but
then there was in his logs: "firmware: agent loaded
rtl_nic/rtl8168e-2.fw into memory" right before eth0 goes down
151 [00:30:41] <jelly> oh, realtek? Maybe get a better card?
152 [00:31:03] <mutante> ^ that's what i expected when i
said < mutante> Neon: unfortunately Realtek has not the best
reputation :p
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154 [00:31:04] <Neon> I have no influence on that.
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156 [00:31:27] <Neon> I've just rented the server.
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158 [00:31:50] <jelly> surely you can ask the provider about hw
options
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160 [00:32:25] <jelly> the easiest workaround would be to use the
kernel from jessie-backports
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162 [00:32:36] <Neon> Mh yeah, I could. But I think, concerning
the time this will take, I'll need a workaround at first.
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166 [00:34:03] <Neon> jelly: Yeah, I think I'll go with that
and hope everything will run fine.
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170 [00:34:56] <jelly> "I'd like a server with an
actual server-level ethernet card"
171 [00:35:22] <jelly> "sure, that will cost you $$$
extra"
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181 [00:37:32] <Neon> Is there a chance you've nothing
better to do than aiding me with setting the jessie-backport kernel
up?
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183 [00:38:08] <Neon> I've never set a kernel up before and
I only have the rescue system. I'd go for chroot and follow
instructions on the internet.
184 [00:39:18] <Neon> Download this
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197 [00:42:29] <piiiiiiiiiiiiiii> Hello
198 [00:42:32] <piiiiiiiiiiiiiii> I want to replace the current
network program that comes with Raspbian Jessie with WICD. How can I
do this?
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203 [00:45:07] <chaddy> taht sounds like a raspbian problem,
piiiiiiiiiiiiiii
204 [00:45:27] <chaddy> s/taht/that/
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207 [00:46:56] <piiiiiiiiiiiiiii> chaddy: Correct
208 [00:47:23] <chaddy> piiiiiiiiiiiiiii: what do you see when
you read the name of this channel?
209 [00:47:44] <chaddy> hint, not raspbian
210 [00:48:24] <piiiiiiiiiiiiiii> chaddy: I see chaddys channel
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212 [00:48:32] <Neon> Plan is: mount my other system's fs to
/mnt, chroot to /mnt, use apt-get install
linux-image-4.6.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 to install the jessie-backport
kernel. Good plan? :S
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214 [00:48:37] <piiiiiiiiiiiiiii> chaddy: And Rasp Debian
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217 [00:49:21] <awal1> piiiiiiiiiiiiiii, this channel is for
debian support, not for debian based. but simply install wicd
(wicd-daemon, wicd-gtk...) then remove network-manager and
network-manager-gnome, reboot and you are done. thats how things
work in debian, probably the same in raspbian
218 [00:49:48] <awal1> dpkg: tell piiiiiiiiiiiiiii about debian
based
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222 [00:51:20] <piiiiiiiiiiiiiii> dpkg: tell awali about Raspbian
223 [00:51:50] * chaddy passes piiiiiiiiiiiiiii a <tab> complete
224 [00:51:56] <chaddy> and the ability to read
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230 [00:53:44] <piiiiiiiiiiiiiii> chaddy: Learn about Raspbian, I
heard it's Debian based. I think you might like it ;).
231 [00:53:55] <piiiiiiiiiiiiiii> dpkg: tell chaddy about
Raspbian
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233 [00:54:06] <piiiiiiiiiiiiiii> Good bye, I don't have
time to entertain this
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236 [00:54:25] <cra1g321> !raspbian
237 [00:54:25] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on
Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian
is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use
#raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support.
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238 [00:54:30] <missmbob> !tell piiiiiiiiiiiiiii about away
239 [00:54:32] <chaddy> I'm plenty well versed in raspbian,
thanks, piiiiiiiiiiiiiii
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293 [01:24:58] <cilkay> Hello. I'm building Jessie VMs via
preseeding. I have apt-cacher-ng installed in a VM (hostname elara)
on my LAN. I'd like to specify that any requests to debian
repos hit
replaced-url
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316 [01:38:49] <jedediah> I'd like to run a shell script
if/when Unattended-Upgrade runs and installs packages. The default
configuration has a commented example of
'Unattended-Upgrade::Mail "root";' -- is there a
similar flag available for running a script instead?
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340 [01:55:47] <battery> what is dd command?
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355 [02:02:03] <erm3nda> battery, really? did u even googled for
it? it's an application to read, write data on devices. In
example, to take a full raw image of your usb in /dev/sdc1 you can
do "sudo dd if=/dev/sdc of=my-image.iso"
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357 [02:03:36] <battery> oh thanks erm3nda :)
358 [02:03:51] <battery> to read and write data on device great
359 [02:04:03] <erm3nda> yes
360 [02:04:28] <erm3nda> u can even create files with random data
using if=/dev/urandom then setting bs and count
361 [02:04:56] <battery> i don’t know it yet :(
362 [02:04:57] <erm3nda> it's the most powerfull app, but
you may encounter easier to use the gnome-disks utility
"Disks"
363 [02:05:11] <battery> Disks
364 [02:05:28] <erm3nda> I only use dd to take full backups of
drives, including grub/mrb & partitions untouched
365 [02:05:38] <battery> oh
366 [02:05:53] <erm3nda> u can revert any disk if you make a raw
image of it
367 [02:05:57] <battery> i saw it on OpenWrt command
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370 [02:06:05] <erm3nda> instead of partition by partion nor
something like that, like gparted
371 [02:06:32] <erm3nda> dd is part of every *nix OS
372 [02:06:48] <battery> oh great
373 [02:06:52] <erm3nda> is even on your Android phone, Buxybox,
etc
374 [02:07:07] <battery> then i will master dd command
375 [02:07:08] <erm3nda> OpenWrt is an open router based on *nix
376 [02:07:20] <battery> oh
377 [02:07:21] <erm3nda> i don't own it, but know a bit of
it
378 [02:07:33] <erm3nda> it's not free yet, right? XD
379 [02:07:44] <battery> thanks :)
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381 [02:08:21] <erm3nda> even my broken android TV has Busybox
with dd compiled on it :-)
382 [02:08:41] <erm3nda> Also the Iphone as dd, because is backed
up by Debian 7 Wheezy
383 [02:08:50] <erm3nda> has dd
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385 [02:09:34] <erm3nda> bye, gl
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387 [02:09:43] <battery> oh
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421 [02:29:35] <XndrK> I downloaded Flash for Chromium on Jessie
as a tar and unpacked it, but I have no idea where to put it so I
can start using it.
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427 [02:31:54] <XndrK> help
428 [02:32:17] <bazhang> XndrK, doesnt chrome come with flash as
as standard
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430 [02:32:33] <bazhang> why use chromium
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432 [02:33:00] <XndrK> Chromium.
433 [02:33:09] <XndrK> I could just download Chrome proper and
hope it works.
434 [02:33:23] <bazhang> it does
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436 [02:36:21] <Hello71>
replaced-url
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438 [02:37:05] <XndrK> How do I get Aptitude to install a deb
file I downloaded?
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440 [02:38:33] <Hello71> don't do that
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443 [02:40:31] <XndrK> How do I install a deb file I downloaded
from Google's website?
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460 [02:48:51] <awal1> Xndrk, google chrome is based on chromium.
Chromium = chrome minus privacy, tracking ... stuff. and chromium
come with pepperflash yet
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463 [02:49:51] <awal1> more privacy, minux tracking ^
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484 [02:59:23] <CHCl3> hy!! i've got a doubt about tmux with
485 [02:59:35] <CHCl3> tmux -2 attach-session -t:1
486 [02:59:38] <CHCl3> u reconect to the window named 1 but how
do i reconect to a given pannel from that window if it's
splited?
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592 [04:18:26] <plasmoduck> XndrK: dpkg -i file.deb
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597 [04:23:59] <awal1> or gdebi for .deb
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690 [05:27:37] <kcirick> Hello all... I'm wondering if
lightDM (or any other DM) is necessary for me? I'm the only
person that uses this computer, and I only have one user account on
my system
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693 [05:28:35] <kcirick> I just uninstalled lightdm and opted to
log into console then 'startx'... is this somehow a bad
idea?
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763 [06:00:06] <jim_carry> I want to install latest version of
i3-wm on debian. How could I install it
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768 [06:01:24] <rjsalts> jim_carry: apt-get install i3-wm?
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770 [06:01:49] <jim_carry> It is the version 4.7 I want 4.12, my
dotfiles won't work with 4.7
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782 [06:06:22] <rjsalts> jim_carry: add "deb-src
replaced-url
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784 [06:07:16] <rjsalts> jim_carry: 4.8 is in backports too, if
that is recent enough
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786 [06:08:07] <rjsalts> jim_carry: your apt-get build-dep might
fail if it requires newer versions of build deps than are in jessie,
or whatever release you're using
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836 [06:44:40] <plasmoduck> I don't get why people use i3
over Awesome?
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842 [06:49:39] <TomTomTosch> it's more stable. used i3 for a
while back when awesome was too buggy.
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845 [06:50:11] <TomTomTosch> and both are fine. not everyone want
to change every little detail in the configs.
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852 [06:55:21] <plasmoduck> I guess some people feel
uncomfortable with lua also.
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858 [06:58:47] <plasmoduck> TomTomTosch: you know how monitors
have a res limit, like 1080p, well I was thinking if you lower the
font size system wide for everything and somehow you call shrink
window sizes and gui interfaces that would be essentially like a res
increase hack kinda maybe yeah?
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861 [06:59:39] <plasmoduck> But how could you shrink the size of
every gui interface window? Most have limits how small you could
make them, I'm guessing you'd have to change something in
the source and recompile them?
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864 [07:00:21] <TomTomTosch> but that would just worsen
readability.
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869 [07:01:12] <plasmoduck> Not lowering the font too much, just
a little
870 [07:01:23] <plasmoduck> Isn't that how smaller res works
anyway?
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876 [07:03:27] <TomTomTosch> not really
877 [07:03:48] <plasmoduck> scaling
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882 [07:06:22] <TomTomTosch> but it isn't scaling very well?
883 [07:07:15] <plasmoduck> true
884 [07:07:16] <TomTomTosch> even text with dpi designation
get's rendered the same pixel height on most displays.
885 [07:07:26] <TomTomTosch> s/get's/gets
886 [07:07:43] <plasmoduck> Is there any hacks or tricks to push
a monitor past it's native res?
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889 [07:07:56] <plasmoduck> I have 2 Dell 22" IPS LEDs
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892 [07:08:13] <plasmoduck> both 1080p but I'd love to push
them just to the next res up
893 [07:08:23] <TomTomTosch> no, your monitor has as many pixels
as the manufacturer put into it.
894 [07:08:30] <plasmoduck> like maybe a firmware flash?
895 [07:08:31] <plasmoduck> Ok
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897 [07:09:01] <plasmoduck> I wonder about these types of things,
like over-clocking in a sence
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899 [07:09:04] <plasmoduck> sense
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901 [07:09:18] <plasmoduck> like how you can overclock a
processor or ram etc
902 [07:09:49] <TomTomTosch> monitor overclocking is a thing, but
the benefits are marginal.
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907 [07:10:28] <rhizome> what is the thing that allows command
completion for, say, my ssh/config?
908 [07:11:19] <plasmoduck> TomTomTosch: how could I do it?
909 [07:11:29] <plasmoduck> rhizome: tab?
910 [07:11:59] <TomTomTosch> rhizome: something in
/usr/share/bash-completion/bash_completion i think.
911 [07:12:08] <rhizome> /usr/share/bash-completion/completions/
yeah
912 [07:12:25] <rhizome> just found it, i don't know why i
thought it woudl be an obscure thing
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986 [08:26:35] <rozie> hello. I have problem with Debian stable
and python
987 [08:26:37] <rozie> File "/usr/bin/mpsyt", line 5,
in <module>
988 [08:26:37] <rozie> from pkg_resources import load_entry_point
989 [08:26:37] <rozie> ImportError: No module named pkg_resources
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991 [08:27:29] <rozie> mps-youtube from stable (and it worked
fine on other machine)
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995 [08:29:03] <jmcnaught> rozie: do you have anything in
/usr/local/lib/python2.7 (or 3.4)?
996 [08:30:18] <rozie> I have both.
997 [08:30:25] <rozie> I suspect python version indeed
998 [08:30:44] <rozie> python -V
999 [08:30:46] <rozie> Python 2.7.9
1000 [08:31:26] <jmcnaught> if it's in /usr/local then
it's not from a Debian package. Maybe on the machine that works
you're using Debian packages for dependencies, but you used pip
or something on this machine?
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1002 [08:32:28] <rozie> no, it's rather new system and I
don't recall any 3rd party installs
1003 [08:33:28] <rozie> there are directories, but they are empty
1004 [08:33:33] <jmcnaught> /usr/local/lib/python2.7 should have
two empty directories, site-packages and dist-packages.
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1009 [08:36:26] <themill> rozie: do you have the
python-pkg-resources or python3-pkg-resources packages installed?
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1011 [08:37:33] <rozie> installed python3-pkg-resources and there
was no change
1012 [08:37:42] <rozie> installing python-pkg-resources right now
1013 [08:37:43] <themill> it would be the python 2 version in
jessie
1014 [08:38:05] <rozie> BTW how to change default python version
in system to 3?
1015 [08:38:16] <themill> you don't; there is no
"default python version"
1016 [08:38:20] <rozie> there's no /etc/alternatives entry
for this :-(
1017 [08:38:32] <themill> there is a default Python 2 version and
a default Python 3 version
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1019 [08:38:45] <rozie> installation of python-pkg-resources
solved the problem
1020 [08:38:52] <rozie> reporting a dependences bug
1021 [08:38:54] <rozie> thx
1022 [08:39:06] <themill> yes, please report that as severity:
serious
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1024 [08:39:29] <themill> (it's unlikely to actually get
fixed in jessie but at least it will be in the bts)
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1026 [08:41:15] <rozie> I wonder why it worked on the other
systems
1027 [08:41:36] <rozie> probably disabled installation of
suggested and recommended packages here
1028 [08:41:44] <rozie> before python was installed
1029 [08:42:03] <themill> pkg-python-resources has lots of other
packages that depend on it so it was probably already there for some
other reason
1030 [08:42:27] <rozie> anyway, it is required, so should be
listed as direct dependecy
1031 [08:42:32] <themill> sure
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1033 [08:42:44] <themill> hence me requesting that you file it as
severity: serious
1034 [08:43:02] <themill> It's already fixed in stretch btw
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1036 [08:44:38] <Fat-Zer_> why creation of a swap file fails?
1037 [08:44:44] <Fat-Zer_> debian jessie
1038 [08:45:36] <Fat-Zer_> swapon complains: "swapon:
/tmp/swap: swapon failed: Invalid argument"
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1043 [08:48:41] <Fat-Zer_> and another question: is it possible to
continue a debuild after stop?
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1047 [08:52:04] <ransur0t> Fat-Zer_: - is this relevant to your
installation:
replaced-url
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1049 [08:53:10] <Fat-Zer_> *about debuild seems supply -nc is
enough...
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1055 [08:55:12] <rozie>
replaced-url
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1057 [08:55:57] <rozie> Fat-Zer_: probably you have /tmp/swap in
/etc/fstab
1058 [08:56:26] <rozie> /tmp is cleaned on reboot by default, so
using swap in /tmp is bad idea
1059 [08:57:03] <Fat-Zer_> rozie: I've just need it
temporary...
1060 [08:57:22] <Fat-Zer_> sure, I've created it with dd
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1062 [08:58:21] <cra1g321> just make a directory
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1064 [08:58:38] <Fat-Zer_> ransur0t: I've got ext4 in lvm...
it would be strange if it doesn't supports the swap...
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1069 [09:00:05] <Fat-Zer_> rozie: I assume the bug is not for me?
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1071 [09:00:30] <Fat-Zer_> cra1g321: o_O
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1075 [09:01:54] <ransur0t> Fat-Zer_: give man swapon a read to see
if you're missing anything
1076 [09:03:12] <Fat-Zer_> ransur0t: sure, I've watched it
through before aking here...
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1078 [09:03:21] <ransur0t> ah, cool
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1082 [09:05:19] <ransur0t> Fat-Zer_: what is the content of your
fstab?
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1088 [09:06:02] <z003kbct> where can i get sources/headers for
debian 4.4.0-1 kernel?
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1092 [09:08:14] <Fat-Zer_> ransur0t:
replaced-url
1093 [09:08:41] <ransur0t> z003kbct:
replaced-url
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1095 [09:10:23] <ransur0t> Fat-Zer_: is line 17 for the swap you
just tried to create using dd command?
1096 [09:11:22] <Fat-Zer_> ransur0t: nope, it's a persistent
4G swap in lvm... I've just needed some additional memmory for
a moment...
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1098 [09:11:46] <Fat-Zer_> and was pretty confused that it
doesn't work as usual...
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1101 [09:11:57] <ransur0t> ah, I see. doesn't the swap still
need to be mounted for it to be accessed by system?
1102 [09:12:04] <z003kbct> ransur0t: i don't get it. but
headers for 4.4.0 are not in repository. which seems strange since
4.4 should be lts kernel
1103 [09:12:35] <rozie> Fat-Zer_: no, it's my bug
1104 [09:12:49] <rozie> Fat-Zer_: you need to mkswap after you dd
1105 [09:13:08] <Fat-Zer_> rozie: did it...
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1110 [09:14:00] <ransur0t> z003kbct: what is your output of
apt-cache search linux-headers-$(uname -r)
1111 [09:14:57] <rozie> Fat-Zer_: permissions
1112 [09:15:09] <rozie> provide full output of swapon
1113 [09:15:35] <z003kbct> ransur0t: nothing
1114 [09:16:51] <rozie> Fat-Zer_: or not permissions
1115 [09:17:00] <rozie> Fat-Zer_: do you have your /tmp as tmpfs?
1116 [09:17:02] <ransur0t> just do uname -a, see what that
displays
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1118 [09:17:16] <rozie> Fat-Zer_: just create that file in / not
/tmp
1119 [09:17:33] <rozie> then dd, mkswap, chown, chmod, swapon just
works
1120 [09:17:41] <z003kbct> 4.4.0-1-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.4.6-1
(2016-03-17) x86_64 GNU/Linux
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1126 [09:23:11] <Fat-Zer_> rozie: nope, /tmp is on root,
permissions are correct, tried the same in / — still the
same... so it does works for you, may I ask, what debian you are
running? and do you have root on lvm?
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1129 [09:24:50] <Fat-Zer_> rozie: and what FS do you've got
on root...
1130 [09:25:00] <Fat-Zer_> rozie: just for make sure, my actions:
replaced-url
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1133 [09:25:41] <ransur0t> z003kbct: try aptitude search
linux-headers
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1137 [09:26:43] <z003kbct> ransur0t: yep. that prints a lot of
headers packages but not for 4.4 version
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1140 [09:27:35] <ransur0t> hmm, perhaps find it at
snapshot.debian.org?
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1142 [09:28:05] <cra1g321> is 4.4 even a supported debian kernel ?
1143 [09:28:19] <Fat-Zer_> z003kbct: nothing missing in
source.list?
1144 [09:28:22] <rozie> Fat-Zer_: dd if=/dev/zero of=/tmpswap
bs=1M count=100; mkswap /tmpswap; chmod 600 /tmpswap; swapon
/tmpswap
1145 [09:28:31] <rozie> Fat-Zer_: Jessie
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1151 [09:29:29] <Zliba> how do i change the default kernel to
boot? i have access to /boot
1152 [09:29:43] <Fat-Zer_> rozie: same shit=) I know, it should
just work, so I'm as confused as you... I suspected systemd at
first... now I suspect lvm/ext4 mix...
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1154 [09:30:09] <rozie> ext4 has nothing to do with it by itself
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1157 [09:30:51] <rozie> /dev/mapper/vg_village-debian--root on /
type btrfs (rw,relatime,space_cache)
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1159 [09:31:02] <rozie> looks like you have brtfs
1160 [09:31:31] <Fat-Zer_> rozie: >_<
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1162 [09:32:17] <Fat-Zer_> rozie: damn, I was sure, I've
checked it...
1163 [09:32:29] <rozie> /dev/mapper/vg_village-debian--home on
/home type ext4 (rw,relatime,data=ordered)
1164 [09:32:41] <rozie> try to create directly at /home
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1169 [09:33:39] <maaartin> hi
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1171 [09:34:01] <Fat-Zer_> ransur0t: You were right about the
swap/btrfs... thanks...
1172 [09:34:04] <maaartin> I'll do minicom -b 9600 -o -D
/dev/ttyAMA0 > output.txt 2>&1 but whats the correct way
to abort piping into the file?
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1174 [09:34:36] <maaartin> first I start a script which does
"minicom -b 9600 -o -D /dev/ttyAMA0 > output.txt
2>&1" then I want start a second script which aborts the
first ome
1175 [09:34:42] <Fat-Zer_> rozie: sure... that's works...
thanks too for peaking me into that...
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1177 [09:35:31] <ransur0t> Fat-Zer_: yw :)
1178 [09:35:49] <Fat-Zer_> >_< so embaracing...
1179 [09:36:46] <ransur0t> it happens to the best of us! ;)
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1186 [09:37:41] <Fat-Zer_> Zliba: no access to /etc and/or no way
to run a script? you may change "default" in
/boot/grub/grub.cfg
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1188 [09:38:40] <Fat-Zer_> but be aware it will be overwriten with
e.g. new kernel install...
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1190 [09:38:41] <Zliba> Fat-Zer_, no access to /etc ; i've
mounted /boot in openbsd but /etc is btrfs which is not mountable in
openbsd lol
1191 [09:38:55] <Zliba> ok
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1209 [09:50:21] <Auron> Can nodm run few displays?
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1238 [10:00:24] <quiqed> Hi, is anyone using haswell platform? The
sound has gone since last kernel update.
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1241 [10:01:41] <towo^work> quiqed, stable or testing?
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1247 [10:04:05] <ransur0t> Auron: searched, didn't find
anything on nodm multi-display config. What desktop are you running?
1248 [10:04:08] <quiqed> towo^work: testing
1249 [10:04:25] <towo^work> quiqed, install pulseaudio-module-udev
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1254 [10:05:01] <quiqed> towo^work: ok, i'll try it first
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1262 [10:07:02] <ransur0t> it seems nodm is simply a tool for auto
login, so display config is done in desktop config
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1481 [10:50:47] <dagerik> ssh login takes an unusual amount of
time and is hanging on [system] Activating via systemd: service
name='org.freedesktop.login1'
unit='dbus-org.freedesktop.login1.service
1482 [10:50:56] <dagerik> pam_systemd(sshd:session): Failed to
create session: Activation of org.freedesktop.login1 timed out
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1487 [10:53:12] <ransur0t> dagerik: try systemctl restart
systemd-logind
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1497 [10:59:33] <dagerik> ransur0t: thanks. worked
1498 [10:59:47] <ransur0t> cool, yw
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1506 [11:05:48] <dearfibonacci> is there any option to wake a
monitor every time the pc is turned on ? talking about arm arch. but
when the display goes "sleep" after a while the pc just
wont wake the display when it boots
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1524 [11:15:53] <petn-randall> dearfibonacci: Check with another
monitor if its the system or your current monitor that is bugged.
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1526 [11:16:16] <ransur0t> dearfibonacci: just about to suggest
same as petn-randall
1527 [11:16:54] <ransur0t> if you have a spare, 2nd mon, that is
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1529 [11:17:28] <petn-randall> dearfibonacci: I'm guessing
the monitor is buggy, since powersave needs to explicitely be sent
from the video card via the vsync/hsync lines.
1530 [11:17:29] <dearfibonacci> petn-randall: ransur0t forgot to
mention they are industry displays with hdmi/dvi conns. gonna check
it out btw
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1532 [11:17:56] <ransur0t> also try different vid inputs if
possible
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1535 [11:20:59] <dearfibonacci> this with lcd works fine and
always wakes the lcd but when it comes to hdmi its just doesnt wake
the sleeping display, also tried to setup uenv.exe with kernel
parameters like to use always hdmi and stuff like that
1536 [11:21:57] <dearfibonacci> and to be honest also tried to get
uart output from it and getting text saying: Could not find a
matching pll-freq for.. when pressing display autodetect button
1537 [11:22:13] <dearfibonacci> (and after this ofcourse wakes the
screen)
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1545 [11:26:26] <ransur0t> i suspect you may get better result
using dvi
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1549 [11:27:27] <dearfibonacci> its hdmi-dvi connection so from pc
side hdmi on display side dvi
1550 [11:27:45] <ransur0t> ah, interesting
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1578 [11:37:46] <Zliba> hey i have an empty file in root's
home directory called "dead.letter" that was created four
days ago.... wtf?
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1583 [11:38:29] <Ticho> that usually happens when you start
writing an e-mail in programs like pine or mutt, but you don't
send it, or don't finish writing it
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1588 [11:39:47] <Iridos> or it's a letter from the dead
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1590 [11:40:11] <Iridos> but they're not very talkative
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1611 [11:59:11] <julius_> hi
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1613 [12:00:30] <julius_> ive got a squeeze system here, which
rebooted today only to tell me that it cant find the root
device.....with kernel 4.6, 4.5.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 does boot the system
without problems. all kernels were installed with the usual apt. any
ideas why the newer kernel cant find my root on a encrypted lvm?
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1624 [12:04:15] <SynrGy> squeeze + 4.6 kernel? why?
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1628 [12:04:57] <babilen> "Can't upgrade" +
"Need newest software" ?
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1630 [12:05:22] <julius_> oh wait
1631 [12:05:24] <julius_> no, jessie
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1633 [12:05:53] <SynrGy> and which 4.6, then. from bpo?
1634 [12:06:02] <julius_> let me chekc
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1636 [12:07:08] <julius_> vmlinuz-4.6.0-1-amd64 thats the
installed filename, what was a way to let apt search trough
installed applications only? so i can see more information about the
kernel
1637 [12:08:38] <SynrGy> aptitude versions ~ilinux-image
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1642 [12:10:27] <SynrGy> slightly tidier, use --group-by=none
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1653 [12:17:27] <RedCross> Hi to all, do you have an idea where i
can find xf86-input-libinput for debian?
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1655 [12:18:35] <ransur0t> julius_: not sure if this applies to
your lvm setup, but have a look:
replaced-url
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1663 [12:22:05] <ransur0t> mkinitcpio
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1674 [12:30:41] <demoz> Hello, i was wondering if anyone would
know answer to the following question : if i use swap file on
external device(example USB) and if device fail or i eject it, will
the system boot normally ? The swap file is loaded in /etc/fstab :)
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1676 [12:31:10] <julius_> ransur0t, the thing is that i did the
lvm/encrypt part with the debian installer...so i was expecting that
it would pick it up for never kernels initramfs....
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1680 [12:32:07] <julius_> SynrGy, weird....that aptitude command
does not list the kernel 4.6 at all
1681 [12:32:15] <julius_> maybe its from jessie backports
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1683 [12:33:27] <julius_> demoz, with systemd (the current boot
process) a not useable partition from /etc/fstab will halt the boot
process
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1685 [12:33:43] <ransur0t> julius_: yeah, one would think, but
perhaps your system needs a point in the right direction ;)
1686 [12:33:45] <julius_> im not sure if you can skip that while
booting and keep on booting
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1688 [12:34:24] <julius_> ransur0t, i guess i will open a bug
report....seems one of the cases that was missed
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1691 [12:35:42] <demoz> julius_ thank you for the info :)
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1703 [12:40:03] <zz__> hi, I have some really bad problem
1704 [12:40:15] <zz__> ";; connection timed out; no servers
could be reached" ;-;
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1706 [12:40:27] <zz__> my bouncer cant connect.. nothing can
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1720 [12:44:18] <julius_> cat /etc/resolv.conf
1721 [12:44:44] <recstecs> hi. is the ntfs support in linux now
considered fully stable?
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1725 [12:45:01] <zz__> julius_, just two commented out lines
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1727 [12:45:04] <julius_> zz__, on the other hand, your system was
able to resolve freenode.net
1728 [12:45:09] <zz__> no, it wasn't
1729 [12:45:14] <julius_> oh
1730 [12:45:22] <zz__> I'm connecting through my laptop
1731 [12:45:25] <julius_> well, you got no nameserver then...no
name resolution
1732 [12:45:31] <zz__> ok
1733 [12:45:35] <zz__> how can I add one?
1734 [12:45:49] <recstecs> resolv.conf
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1736 [12:46:04] <zz__> "DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE BY HAND"
1737 [12:46:10] <julius_> write: nameserver 8.8.8.8 into it
1738 [12:46:35] <julius_> by default, the gnome desktop
network-manager will remove that entry pretty quickly
1739 [12:46:44] <recstecs> normally your router will forward your
dns requests
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1742 [12:47:03] <julius_> recstecs, hes resolvf.conf is all
commented out
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1744 [12:47:10] <julius_> his
1745 [12:47:14] <recstecs> oh
1746 [12:47:43] <julius_> actually, my gnome does that to me too
from time to time...it just clears resolv.conf for no reason
1747 [12:47:45] <zz__> julius_, it works, thanks so much
1748 [12:47:54] <julius_> no problem
1749 [12:47:57] <recstecs> i see
1750 [12:48:04] <julius_> remember...this is just a temporary
workaround
1751 [12:48:17] <recstecs> i used to be a network tech and admin
but maybe you guys can give me an adivce too :-)
1752 [12:48:20] <julius_> the problem will come back....you have
to look into it why resolv.conf was commented out
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1754 [12:48:34] <recstecs> brb need more coffee
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1756 [12:48:55] <zz> I enabled "TUN/TAP" in the vps
settings
1757 [12:49:01] <zz> it rebooted, then this happened
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1761 [12:50:04] <zz> I'll just hope it stays like that
1762 [12:50:09] <julius_> could be a lot of reasons, maybe better
to discuss this on a debian forum with all the information in one
place
1763 [12:50:16] <julius_> it wont...
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1766 [12:50:33] <recstecs> say julius do you have some time for me
please?
1767 [12:50:35] <zz> this is the first time it has ever happened,
every
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1769 [12:50:40] <julius_> zz, as the file sys...do not edit by
hand. because it will be overwritten
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1771 [12:51:01] <julius_> recstecs, just ask the question....there
are a lot more competent guys here
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1776 [12:51:40] <recstecs> with every windows version they change
the ntfs version. do you think ntfs support under linux is still
considered stable?
1777 [12:52:00] <julius_> thats a question i cant answer
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1780 [12:52:12] <julius_> i deleted my windows...
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1782 [12:52:22] <recstecs> :-)
1783 [12:52:49] <recstecs> i just need to know it if i will
important data beause i want to import it safely and correctly
1784 [12:52:50] <missmbob> recstecs: read, sure. would i trust it
with writing shit i actually care about? not on your life
1785 [12:52:52] <julius_> in actually on a laptop that never saw
windows code run on it :)
1786 [12:53:13] <recstecs> thanks missmbob
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1789 [12:53:36] <recstecs> it would be reading it to swap data
over to ext4
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1794 [12:54:16] <recstecs> i have to deal with windows from time
to time
1795 [12:54:26] <julius_> missmbob, actually..."on another
persons life"...sure, why not ;) its not me
1796 [12:54:29] <recstecs> all my friends will still use it
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1799 [12:54:52] <recstecs> and i wont tell my friends such
sentenses they are friends
1800 [12:55:17] <recstecs> i care for them more than i do care for
linux windows or for computers :-)
1801 [12:55:31] <julius_> see, theres the error in your ways ;)
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1804 [12:55:39] <recstecs> yeah
1805 [12:55:43] <julius_> no youre right...but if its just
"fun" data
1806 [12:55:46] <julius_> you can risk it
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1808 [12:55:55] <recstecs> fun data?
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1810 [12:56:23] <julius_> i mean data from friends....youre not
figuring out a backup sheme for a big company or anything like that
1811 [12:56:38] <recstecs> companies data is fun data for me
1812 [12:56:48] <recstecs> :-)
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1814 [12:57:03] <recstecs> i dont care if kraft foos data will be
lost
1815 [12:57:17] <recstecs> haha but i wont risk the family
pictures of my friends
1816 [12:57:54] <recstecs> hey missmbob do you think cvopy with
checksums will be better?
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1821 [12:58:32] <recstecs> do you work for a bigger company
julius_ ?
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1823 [12:58:52] <julius_> no
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1825 [12:59:14] <recstecs> i just wonder why normal people think
company data is more important than personal data :-) to me regular
joes are still more important than companies
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1827 [12:59:50] <julius_> sure it is...but companys fire you
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1829 [13:00:04] <recstecs> their loss
1830 [13:00:11] <missmbob> recstecs: for copying stuff just mount
it and then do something like rsync -a
1831 [13:00:12] <recstecs> other copmany will hire you than
1832 [13:00:24] <recstecs> okay
1833 [13:00:50] <recstecs> thanks missmbob if i read bob have to
think about bob ross haha
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1835 [13:01:41] <julius_> or you could have them open up a windows
share and you use samba
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1837 [13:01:55] <julius_> not perfect either, but you dont have to
care about ntfs
1838 [13:02:00] <jim> ,v wine-dev
1839 [13:02:01] <recstecs> thats true
1840 [13:02:02] <judd> No package named 'wine-dev' was
found in amd64.
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1842 [13:02:13] <jim> hmm. is that one spelled out?
1843 [13:02:22] <recstecs> but network will be much slower than
usb 3
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1845 [13:02:31] <missmbob> ,v libwine-dev
1846 [13:02:32] <judd> Package: libwine-dev on amd64 -- squeeze:
1.0.1-3.1; jessie: 1.6.2-20; jessie-backports: 1.8.2-1~bpo8+1; sid:
1.8.3-2; stretch: 1.8.3-2
1847 [13:02:46] <jim> thanks
1848 [13:03:05] <missmbob> jim there is also wine-development. not
sure which one you were going for
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1858 [13:05:07] <jim> the guy I'm trying to help, says the
latter
1859 [13:05:17] <jim> ,v wine-development
1860 [13:05:18] <judd> Package: wine-development on amd64 --
jessie: 1.7.29-4; jessie-backports: 1.9.12-1~bpo8+1; stretch:
1.9.14-1; sid: 1.9.14-1
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1862 [13:05:50] <jim> ok, good enough... let;s see how it goes
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1864 [13:07:20] <flashdisastr> Do have a noob question, I'm
running on a live usb for testing purpose before making the big move
from windows to debian, as root, i cant run tor, is there any way to
get on a normal user using a live cd ?
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1874 [13:08:52] <missmbob> flashdisastr: never used live...but if
you have root you can adduser to make a normal user
1875 [13:09:38] <flashdisastr> ok so I have to create a normal
user each time I run it, got it thx missmbob
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1877 [13:09:46] <ransur0t> flashdisastr: have you considered using
virtualbox to do your test run? could do a full install to get a
feel for it, without oddities or restrictions of live environment
1878 [13:10:42] <flashdisastr> ransur0t, not yet, I'm going
to have a look to try using virtualbox
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1881 [13:11:25] <ransur0t> i recommend it
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1883 [13:12:03] <ransur0t> and you can also run the debian live
images by mounting the iso to the cdrom
1884 [13:13:04] <missmbob> the neat thing about the latter is you
can shutdown virtualbox and it'll save the running state of the
live image. no redoing anything next time you want to get on and
still don't have to do the install process to try
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1886 [13:14:37] <flashdisastr> yeah its quite boring, but anyway
it's just a question of days before I do the big move. Its
going to be a wild ride. but the previous days on my live cd almost
convinced me to uninstall windows
1887 [13:15:22] <ransur0t> you won't regret the migration
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1893 [13:17:25] <recstecs> i am using some virtualbox-vms
1894 [13:17:30] <flashdisastr> I already did the move 10 years ago
on Mandrake haha, but at that time it took like 3 hours to find out
how to install drivers for a webcam, today things seems different.
less time wasted for such small archivement
1895 [13:17:37] <recstecs> it is a tad laggy
1896 [13:18:12] <recstecs> maybe i should use a different hardisk
1897 [13:18:46] <recstecs> hi missmbob
1898 [13:19:24] <recstecs> hi flashdisastr
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1900 [13:19:47] <recstecs> which windows do you sue?
1901 [13:20:00] <flashdisastr> hello recstecs windows 7
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1903 [13:20:05] <recstecs> i see
1904 [13:20:09] <flashdisastr> I still keep it for ableton live
1905 [13:20:24] <recstecs> i put my actual windows 8.1 in a
virtual machine it is a tad laggy
1906 [13:20:26] <flashdisastr> unfortunately no decent daw yet for
linux
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1909 [13:21:01] <recstecs> i guess it is the hard disk that may be
not fast enough
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1912 [13:21:03] <flashdisastr> Never tried windows 8 I heard its
total shit
1913 [13:21:11] <recstecs> people talk a lot
1914 [13:21:26] <flashdisastr> indeed
1915 [13:21:32] <recstecs> people tell they miss the star menu but
if you see em working they never suse the start menu lol
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1917 [13:22:02] <recstecs> i am using windows since 3.11
1918 [13:22:21] <recstecs> people seem to always like the previous
versions better
1919 [13:22:29] <flashdisastr> wow thats old.. oldest one I
remember is 98
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1921 [13:22:44] <recstecs> i would like to try debian later
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1923 [13:22:51] <recstecs> so far i am using arch and antergos
1924 [13:22:57] <flashdisastr> I would say I was very happy with 7
after shitty vista
1925 [13:23:28] <recstecs> i have to admin that if you have decent
hardware you will not really notice if the os is really somewhat
slow
1926 [13:23:46] <recstecs> admit
1927 [13:24:11] <flashdisastr> Im using a thinkpad, most decent
machine I had until now
1928 [13:24:22] <recstecs> i try to stay neutral and see
advantages and disadvantages
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1930 [13:24:40] <Fat-Zer_> what is the prefered way of managing
symlinks like /usr/bin/{gcc,clang} ?
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1932 [13:25:08] <recstecs> linux is usually much more repsonsive
on most machines while windows still wastes resources
1933 [13:25:33] <recstecs> but to some degree it will be the virus
protection that you better have running while using windows
1934 [13:26:13] <recstecs> what is really wonderful about linux is
that you can still use very good older hardware
1935 [13:26:24] <recstecs> where windows will suffer
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1937 [13:26:49] <flashdisastr> a friend of mine run debian on a
1GB ram config
1938 [13:27:03] <flashdisastr> I heard it can run well on a 512mo
1939 [13:27:04] <flashdisastr> sick
1940 [13:27:06] <recstecs> i like antix
1941 [13:27:19] <recstecs> antix is debian based if i am right
1942 [13:27:29] <recstecs> its fast even on very old hardware
1943 [13:27:40] <flashdisastr> it is
1944 [13:27:54] <missmbob> based on mepis which is based on
debian.
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1947 [13:28:07] <recstecs> i will still need some time to switch
over fully to linux
1948 [13:28:36] <recstecs> i was thinking about freenas as a
server but why not using debian
1949 [13:28:38] <flashdisastr> I'm going to install Kali I
think. Want to learn about security
1950 [13:28:48] <flashdisastr> also based on debian
1951 [13:29:06] <recstecs> i see
1952 [13:29:16] <recstecs> is kali the new name or the old one
1953 [13:29:20] <missmbob> flashdisastr: keep in mind kali
isn't supported here
1954 [13:29:44] <flashdisastr> backtrack was the old on if Im
right
1955 [13:29:46] <ransur0t> kali used to be backtrack
1956 [13:29:50] <recstecs> okay yes
1957 [13:30:12] <recstecs> missmbob, seems to be a cool guy
1958 [13:30:23] <flashdisastr> missmbob, I will, but I find this
channel noob friendly for general linux issues
1959 [13:30:34] <ransur0t> i've recently used their virtual
appliance. vbox. good stuff. loaded with everything under the hood
you would need
1960 [13:30:49] <recstecs> i like when people are a tad more open
minded on irc
1961 [13:30:51] <recstecs> :-)
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1963 [13:30:59] <flashdisastr> its not usual I agree
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1967 [13:31:45] <recstecs> the idea of gnu/linux does not really
hm get along well with a closed mind i think
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1969 [13:32:06] <recstecs> plus hating stuff and things is a waste
of energy
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1971 [13:32:22] <flashdisastr> everthing is about frustrations
1972 [13:32:33] <flashdisastr> everyone experience them, some ppl
more than others
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1974 [13:33:24] <recstecs> my windows system were always extremely
stable. if you know how to work with it. but it does not come along
with a the tools you need, plus surveilliance okay
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1976 [13:33:44] <recstecs> but here people enter googles dns
servers in there resolv.cong
1977 [13:33:51] <recstecs> so isnt that supporting google too haha
1978 [13:33:57] <flashdisastr> my windows was always stable the 8
first month
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1982 [13:34:21] <flashdisastr> what i find boring with it is that
to stay stable you have to reinstall almost every year
1983 [13:34:21] <recstecs> lol and the 9th month?
1984 [13:34:25] <recstecs> sounds like pregnancy
1985 [13:34:34] <flashdisastr> it is I guess
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1987 [13:34:51] <recstecs> my windows was now 13 years old
1988 [13:34:56] <recstecs> months
1989 [13:35:04] <recstecs> now its virtual
1990 [13:35:16] <flashdisastr> maybe old versions were more able
to stay stable over time
1991 [13:35:32] <recstecs> what was really crappy that the
microsoft technet tool didnt work lol
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1993 [13:35:47] <recstecs> disk2vhd
1994 [13:35:48] <sypher> Not trying to stifle you guys, but there
IS a channel for non-support chatter, #debian-offtopic.
1995 [13:36:06] <teraflops> I kindly agree with sypher
1996 [13:36:08] <recstecs> we did it onlyx because it was so quiet
here
1997 [13:36:16] <flashdisastr> ok sypher thx
1998 [13:36:26] <recstecs> didnt mean to upset you
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2000 [13:36:30] <flashdisastr> yeah but I guess its quite cause no
one need support now
2001 [13:36:31] <sypher> Hey, no harm done, just letting you folks
know. :)
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2003 [13:36:35] <flashdisastr> lets move for general discussion
2004 [13:37:03] <recstecs> i was only to suggest a way to move
well over to linux :-)
2005 [13:37:09] <recstecs> about
2006 [13:37:46] <teraflops> recstecs: nah it's fine,
it's just that some of us look at the channel when there is
activity, but in this case there is only offtopic stuff
2007 [13:38:17] <recstecs> say teraflops
2008 [13:38:48] <recstecs> how would you convert an old machine
into a vm?
2009 [13:39:00] <sypher> woo, p2v funtimes.
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2011 [13:39:08] <teraflops> recstecs: which OS?
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2013 [13:39:29] <recstecs> any
2014 [13:39:51] <teraflops> nope, it depends on the os
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replaced-url
2017 [13:40:04] <recstecs> lets say if you want to help a friend
switch over and that she or he will still be able to run it is he
may need something out of it
2018 [13:40:12] <teraflops> if you ask for *nix, i would say rsync
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2020 [13:40:24] <recstecs> i like virtualbox
2021 [13:40:52] <teraflops> oh I have no idea about vbox sorry
2022 [13:41:27] <Fat-Zer_> is there a way to tell apt to update
only specific repository?
2023 [13:41:33] <recstecs> do you use kvm?
2024 [13:41:47] <teraflops> I do
2025 [13:42:00] <recstecs> is it more repsonsive?
2026 [13:42:09] <recstecs> but it needs a special kernel?
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2028 [13:42:24] <teraflops> idk since I only use kvm I cannot
compare
2029 [13:42:50] <sypher> recstecs: KVM capability is a default
feature for any Linux I've used in a while.
2030 [13:43:39] <teraflops> recstecs: e.g ~1.5GB ram 2 cores w10
machine on ssd just flies
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2032 [13:43:55] <teraflops> virtIO for all the things
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2037 [13:47:11] <recstecs> moment
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2039 [13:47:15] <recstecs> needed more coffee
2040 [13:47:28] <recstecs> can you run it on the actual machine
2041 [13:47:42] <recstecs> or do you connect to the vm over the
network via a client?
2042 [13:47:51] <teraflops> it doesnt matter
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2046 [13:48:21] <teraflops> I do it locally, you can connect to a
remote hypervisor if you want
2047 [13:48:21] <recstecs> kvm is part of the kernel right?
2048 [13:48:27] <teraflops> right
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2050 [13:48:46] <recstecs> do you need a special windows kernekl?
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2052 [13:48:51] <teraflops> nope
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2054 [13:49:10] <recstecs> do you need to compile anything
special?
2055 [13:49:13] <teraflops> but I strongly suggest installing
virtIO drivers
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2057 [13:49:30] <teraflops> on the guest
2058 [13:49:41] <recstecs> i see
2059 [13:49:57] <teraflops>
replaced-url
2060 [13:49:58] <recstecs> sounds like the guestthingy on vbox
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2062 [13:50:28] <recstecs> i am not a full linux noob
2063 [13:50:38] <teraflops> not really, but you can make that
comparison
2064 [13:50:41] <recstecs> but need to get used to it again
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2070 [13:51:06] <recstecs> i better note your name
2071 [13:51:15] <teraflops> ^
2072 [13:51:15] <recstecs> are you in this room on a general base?
2073 [13:51:44] <recstecs> i could need some of your knowledge :-)
2074 [13:51:56] <teraflops> I used to be here, but theres no need
to ask to a nick directly since people is pretty capable here
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2076 [13:52:20] <teraflops> use*
2077 [13:52:30] <recstecs> hi lesik
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2079 [13:52:41] <recstecs> do you write books?
2080 [13:52:43] <lesik> hello recstecs
2081 [13:52:57] <lesik> recstecs: no
2082 [13:53:02] <recstecs> oki
2083 [13:53:50] <recstecs> german ha
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2086 [13:56:03] <recstecs> do you use kvm on debian?
2087 [13:56:07] <recstecs> teraflops,
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2105 [14:02:45] <teraflops> recstecs: yes I do
2106 [14:02:47] <teraflops> heh
2107 [14:02:57] <DaffyDuck_> Hi; how does one find out what
Lua-version was used to build mod_lua? (lua seems to be statically
linked).
2108 [14:03:04] <teraflops> recstecs: virt-mamager
2109 [14:03:22] <recstecs> i have read that kvm is much faster
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2111 [14:03:33] <recstecs> i have a i7-2600k and 32gb memory
2112 [14:03:39] <recstecs> and i find vbox slow
2113 [14:03:44] <DaffyDuck_> Are there build-logs for all apt
builds somewhere?
2114 [14:03:51] <teraflops> recstecs: try it and see, that's
the best advice I can give you
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2116 [14:04:00] <recstecs> maybe it is the hard disk drive wihich
is only a notebook 1tb drive 2,5"
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2118 [14:04:37] <recstecs> say teraflops can i run that kvm from a
usb-stick
2119 [14:04:42] <teraflops> a 5200 rpm notebook's hd is slow
if you have one of those
2120 [14:05:02] <recstecs> i could try an ssd
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2124 [14:06:16] <recstecs> do you think a 3tb seagate drive will
improve performance?
2125 [14:06:51] <drkn0x> just any 3tb? Your space will increase
for sure.
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2128 [14:07:22] <drkn0x> Sorry, late to the conversation.
2129 [14:07:34] <recstecs> was not about the space
2130 [14:07:34] <teraflops> what improve performance is sata vs
ide, sata vs usb etc. for the storage (where the vm image is stored)
2131 [14:07:55] <recstecs> of course it is sata
2132 [14:08:11] <drkn0x> sata3, sata6?
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2134 [14:08:23] <recstecs> 3
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2137 [14:08:50] <recstecs> i do not think that it will make a
difference as the max is like 200mb/s
2138 [14:08:54] <recstecs> its not a ssd
2139 [14:09:06] <teraflops> recstecs: then it will perform fine,
regarding read/write speed
2140 [14:09:12] <recstecs> yes
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2143 [14:09:51] <recstecs> but i agree to your opinion that thew
5400rpm and the i/o of a notebook hard disk maybe a bottle neck
thats what my though is
2144 [14:09:52] <teraflops> windows does a lot of silly read/write
all the time
2145 [14:09:59] <recstecs> yes
2146 [14:10:11] <recstecs> you cant change its behaviour to swap
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2148 [14:10:26] <recstecs> that what sucks about windows aswell
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2150 [14:10:39] <teraflops> well I do not really care much about
windows to be fair
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2152 [14:11:06] <recstecs> i have to maintain one of my old
windows to switch over to linxu slightly
2153 [14:11:19] <recstecs> unforunately
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2158 [14:12:49] <recstecs> what hardware is the base of your
debian system teraflops
2159 [14:12:59] <teraflops> recstecs: many
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2161 [14:13:41] <recstecs> do you think i can setup a testsystem
with debian kvm on a thumb drive?
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2163 [14:16:59] <topik_> i'm trying to install a package1
which depends on package2 (without specifying version) using apt-get
-f install package1
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dependencies: package '1 : depends: package2 but it is not
going to be installed
2167 [14:18:45] <topik_> yet apt-get install package2 works
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2187 [14:27:04] <multilingual> i have installed jessie, lightdm
and MATE on my computer and i use it in english. i will share the
computer with 3 other people. Each one of them speak only their own
native language (spanish, french and portuguese). i want those users
to use the graphical user interface and all its applications in
their respective language. How can this be done?
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2192 [14:30:03] <Arone> TGIF ?
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2198 [14:31:12] <drkn0x> Once I pull an SLA out of thin air for my
organization, then it will be! Otherwise.. OSIF.
2199 [14:31:15] <recstecs> oh god, why do so many linux guys have
to be into conspiracy theories
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2203 [14:31:22] <recstecs> gott lass hirn regnen
2204 [14:32:36] <drkn0x> Not sure about the linux guys and
conspiracy stuff. I know more Tin foil hat windows users than linux
folks.
2205 [14:32:55] <recstecs> okay
2206 [14:33:08] <recstecs> i met most here lol
2207 [14:33:18] <recstecs> but i did not mean to insult you
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2209 [14:33:33] <drkn0x> Where is that? I am in California, USA..
Paranoid capital of the US.
2210 [14:33:34] <recstecs> just cant believe how many guys are
into that stuff nowadays lol
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2212 [14:34:19] <recstecs> everytime i get into a personal talk
here on irc they start up that crap lol
2213 [14:34:29] <drkn0x> On that, I agree. And funny, I just binge
watched Mr. Robot, so technically, I should be into Conspiracies.
LOL
2214 [14:34:29] <recstecs> cal is the capital of that?
2215 [14:35:13] <recstecs> drkn0x, do you use debian?
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2217 [14:35:37] <drkn0x> Well, feels like it sometimes. "The
Government wants us all on Drugs to control our minds" or
"Contrails are poisoning us." etc.
2218 [14:35:42] <SynrG> multilingual: the graphical login manager
should have a means to select the language when logging in
2219 [14:36:02] <recstecs> ouch
2220 [14:36:03] <SynrG> multilingual: that preference should
remain associated with that user's login each time they
subsequently login
2221 [14:36:13] <recstecs> please drkn0x
2222 [14:36:18] <drkn0x> And dear lord if Vandenburg AFB (Towards
the coast) does a test launch, folks loose their shit.
2223 [14:36:18] <recstecs> dont do that lol
2224 [14:36:34] <drkn0x> restecs Please/
2225 [14:36:59] <SynrG> recstecs & drkn0x, please take it to
#debian-offtopic
2226 [14:37:07] <drkn0x> Roger, sorry.
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2228 [14:37:24] <recstecs> oki
2229 [14:37:30] <SynrG> thanks
2230 [14:37:35] <recstecs> welcome
2231 [14:37:46] <recstecs> i asked something but got no answer
2232 [14:38:15] <SynrG> re setting up a test system with debian
kvm on a thumb drive? all things are possible ...
2233 [14:38:17] <recstecs> do you think i can setup a test system
with debian kvm on a thumb drive? to test and see if kvm is faster
than vbox?
2234 [14:38:38] <drkn0x> SynrG I think attempted to answer you.
2235 [14:38:40] <recstecs> yeah but will this system limit
something?
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2237 [14:38:48] <SynrG> I used to have virtualbox on a thumb
drive. i don't know why kvm on a thumb drive would be any
harder.
2238 [14:38:50] <drkn0x> Oh, to that Question, Yes.
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2240 [14:39:04] <SynrG> limit? oh, definitely. you want a very
fast thumb drive
2241 [14:39:29] <drkn0x> I've run off a USB3 drive (Kali) in
KVM. Performance was not all that great, but it worked.
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2243 [14:39:51] <SynrG> anyway. try it and see
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2245 [14:41:20] <SynrG> multilingual: additionally, there are
language-specific packages per application for a few key
applications (libreoffice, web browser) so i assume you know how to
find and install those.
2246 [14:41:40] <drkn0x> ^ The ultimate answer for Linux,
regardless of kernel or distro. Better to Try things out, test and
play around.
2247 [14:41:55] <SynrG> multilingual: so with those two things,
you should be able to serve your users, each in their own language.
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2249 [14:42:06] <recstecs> i do not mind to trust the experiences
of others
2250 [14:42:21] <recstecs> i do not have to redevelop the wheel
2251 [14:42:23] <SynrG> my experience with "VM on a thumb
drive" is that it is slow, but usable
2252 [14:42:31] <SynrG> no specific experience with kvm
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2254 [14:42:49] <recstecs> did i state to put the vm on the thumb
drive?
2255 [14:42:53] <drkn0x> Nor do I, hence why folks are here. But
just saying, when in doubt, try it out.
2256 [14:42:54] <SynrG> the guest OS at the time was Win XP
(several years ago)
2257 [14:43:15] <recstecs> i said debian live from thumb
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2259 [14:43:26] <recstecs> of course the vm would go on a
different drive
2260 [14:44:09] <SynrG> it's not what you literally said, no.
not in the line that i read :) i didn't see "live"
anywhere
2261 [14:44:14] <SynrG> maybe you meant to say live
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2263 [14:44:22] <SynrG> or maybe that was earlier in the
conversation i skimmed
2264 [14:44:57] <recstecs> ok
2265 [14:45:00] <recstecs> and now?
2266 [14:45:24] <drkn0x> So your storing the .ova / .vmdk / etc on
the thumb drive, pre-configured, and wanting to import it and
maintain changes on that drive?
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2269 [14:45:39] <SynrG> can you run virtualbox from a live system?
i have heard it done by some other live user, yes. but i think they
had certain ... complications
2270 [14:45:56] <drkn0x> Yes, you can.
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2274 [14:46:25] <egazz> so I updated the kernel on my Debian
machine, and now X no longer starts automatically, and I can't
get wireless to work
2275 [14:46:30] <SynrG> but that may have been from putting the VM
container file on the cow filesystem implemented on top of aufs (or
overlayfs these days if you're on an up-to-date kernel)
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2277 [14:47:17] <SynrG> but if you use "somewhere else"
for the VM container, i'm sure running the VM off the live
system could work
2278 [14:47:27] <SynrG> again, try it and see.
2279 [14:47:34] <SynrG> i have no experience at all with this
specific configuration.
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2281 [14:49:15] <drkn0x> @ Work, I use an iSCSI target for some of
my VM's. So the 'Drive' is on another
server/computer, and the hypervisor (virtualbox / xenserver / etc)
reads it from there. If the gigabit switch goes down, I lose comms
with that VM, but I provide it as an example that yes, you can put
VM's virtually anywhere and still spark it up.
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2283 [14:49:59] <SynrG> egazz: it's too late right now for
this to help, but if you check "share with other users"
option for the network, it is usable even if the GUI doesn't
come up, as NetworkManager will start it during boot
2284 [14:50:11] <SynrG> there is, in fact, a command-line client
for wifi ...
2285 [14:50:25] <SynrG> it may be simpler for you to debug this by
using ethernet instead, though
2286 [14:51:05] <SynrG> nmcli can be used to control
NetworkManager from the command-line
2287 [14:51:08] <recstecs> virtualbox?
2288 [14:51:16] <recstecs> i guess you do not read at all right?
2289 [14:51:26] <SynrG> we know you're trying kvm
2290 [14:51:31] <recstecs> didnt i wrote K V M ???
2291 [14:51:32] <SynrG> we're trying to help from what
experience *we* have
2292 [14:51:37] <SynrG> don't be an asshole
2293 [14:51:47] <egazz> synrg: network manager won't run at
all, and the applet for it no longer appears as an option in the
panel (using xfce)
2294 [14:51:56] <recstecs> thanks for your insult
2295 [14:52:09] <SynrG> thanks for your condescension
2296 [14:52:09] <recstecs> shows your IQ
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2298 [14:52:33] <SynrG> please be considerate to the help. and
don't be shocked when you get a negative reaction when you
mistreat them
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2300 [14:53:08] <SynrG> egazz: the NetworkManager service is not
running?
2301 [14:53:19] <recstecs> you parents obviously failed to educate
you manners
2302 [14:53:22] <SynrG> egazz: any clues in system logs?
2303 [14:53:36] <kdub> if I have version 1.4 in my
debian/changelog, is it allowed that he next version is 1.3?
(I'm guessing this is not possible)
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2310 [14:54:09] <drkn0x> Not sure why you are even going off here.
Folks were helping you before I entered the channel, I tried to
assist as well. If you do not want help, there is always google.
2311 [14:54:09] <hid3> Hello everyone. I have a Cacti installation
running on my Debian box. The Cacti sends emails. However, the
'Return path' variable is set as
replaced-url
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2313 [14:54:19] <Drzacek> Wtf just happened
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2316 [14:54:57] <drkn0x> Great question. I guess since i listed
'virtualbox' as an example, the user flipped out because
they were using kvm.
2317 [14:55:24] <egazz> synrg: something borked my xfce install as
a whole, I don't know. It no longer starts automatically, and
am not sure why
2318 [14:55:37] <SynrG> egazz: what's the last thing you did
to it?
2319 [14:55:53] <drkn0x> egazz: Even if you change your runlevel?
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2321 [14:56:20] <egazz> synrg: updated the kernel
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2324 [14:56:42] <egazz> drkn0x: I can start it manually after
login, it just doesn't do it automatically
2325 [14:56:49] <SynrG> egazz: does the previous kernel work?
2326 [14:56:59] <SynrG> egazz: upgraded from what to what?
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2328 [14:57:29] <SynrG> on a stable system, normally, kernel
upgrades would not break wifi ...
2329 [14:58:00] <SynrG> for testing/unstable, there is
#debian-next @ irc.oftc.net
2330 [14:58:14] <egazz> synrg: from whatever jessie has by default
to 4.5.0-2-grsec
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2332 [14:58:28] <SynrG> egazz: so the first thing is to fall back
to the jessie kernel
2333 [14:58:53] <jelly> 4.5.0-2-grsec does not look like something
built for jessie
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2335 [14:59:18] <egazz> jelly: it's in the repositories, so
that would be unfortunate :)
2336 [14:59:26] <SynrG> ,v linux-image-4.5.0-2-grsec-686-pae
2337 [14:59:27] <judd> No package named
'linux-image-4.5.0-2-grsec-686-pae' was found in amd64.
2338 [14:59:31] <SynrG> it's in backports
2339 [14:59:33] <jelly> egazz, which repositories?
2340 [14:59:38] <SynrG> sorry, wrong flavour :)
2341 [14:59:38] <egazz> synrg: ok let me reboot and try that real
quick, just a moment
2342 [14:59:44] <SynrG> ,v linux-image-4.5.0-2-grsec-amd64
2343 [14:59:46] <judd> Package: linux-image-4.5.0-2-grsec-amd64 on
amd64 -- jessie-backports: 4.5.7-1+grsec201606222150+1~bpo8+1
2344 [14:59:57] <egazz> that's the one
2345 [15:00:08] <SynrG> or 686-pae from i386
2346 [15:00:11] <jelly> I wonder why the abi does not contain
.bpo.
2347 [15:00:16] <Heylo67> hi, du i need to use root to recompile a
linux-source from debian?
2348 [15:00:24] <Heylo67> *do i need
2349 [15:00:41] <SynrG> jelly: strange inconsistency. ask the
backports list? :)
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2351 [15:01:37] <SynrG> egazz: and i would say the next step is to
figure out if maybe you need an updated firmware from backports for
your wifi card
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2354 [15:01:49] <SynrG> perhaps you do, and it wasn't
upgraded along with the kernel
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2356 [15:02:10] <jelly> just asked their channel.
2357 [15:02:19] <egazz> synrg: I had them but they weren't
playing nice (would hard lock the computer on suspend). I saw it
suggested that they were written for a higher kernel version, hence
the upgrade
2358 [15:02:39] <egazz> synrg: I've reinstalled
firmware-iwlwifi since updating the kernel, to no avail
2359 [15:02:40] <jelly> egazz, did you do the usual userspace
fixes needed with grsecurity?
2360 [15:02:43] <SynrG> egazz: "had them" <-
ambiguous
2361 [15:03:01] <SynrG> newer firmware package from backports?
2362 [15:03:17] <egazz> synrg: no, what's in the main
repository
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2364 [15:03:30] <egazz> jelly: nope
2365 [15:03:36] <SynrG> oh. so before the kernel upgrade you had
wifi working without firmware?
2366 [15:03:57] <egazz> synrg: no, it was working with iwlwifi.
But that firmware was also causing issues with suspending
2367 [15:03:58] <jelly> egazz, well, here's some news:
running a grsec kernel isn't just "reboot into it"
2368 [15:04:03] <SynrG> gotcha
2369 [15:04:16] <egazz> jelly: I'm noticing :)
2370 [15:04:32] <SynrG> so this is now out of my depth. i think
i'll stop trying to advise you. :)
2371 [15:04:34] <jelly> a bunch of common software needs to have
workarounds to make it work
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2373 [15:04:41] <jelly> including the X server
2374 [15:04:47] <egazz> that'd make sense
2375 [15:05:00] <egazz> so is it worth messing with or should I
just re-install a different version?
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2377 [15:05:05] <SynrG> you should carefully consider if your use
case is going to be worth all this extra effort to support using
grsec.
2378 [15:05:19] <egazz> probably not
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2380 [15:05:29] <SynrG> it sounds cool and all, but unless i had
*very* specific user needs, i wouldn't want the headaches
2381 [15:05:31] <jelly> we don't know what is worth for you
2382 [15:06:12] <egazz> yeah I don't know as I have any
specific need, no
2383 [15:06:17] <egazz> so what's the safest way to revert?
2384 [15:06:34] <egazz> (but I'd like to have a newer kernel
version if possible, just to see if it plays better with iwlwifi)
2385 [15:06:38] <jelly> egazz, you'll want to learn about
paxctld (or the older paxctl) if you want to make some userspace
software work
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2387 [15:06:53] <jelly> with a grsec patched kernel
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2390 [15:08:01] <egazz> yeah that sounds like a project for a
later date
2391 [15:08:12] <egazz> for now, I'd just like to get the
thing working properly again
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2396 [15:09:08] <egazz> so is it as simple as installing a
different version via apt, or is that going to cause more harm?
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2402 [15:11:47] <jelly> yeah, pick a backport kernel that does not
have "grsec" in the name
2403 [15:11:55] <jelly> !bdo kernel
2404 [15:11:56] <dpkg> Newer kernels for Debian stable releases
are available from the "jessie-backports" repository. Ask
me about <jessie backports> to modify your sources.list, then
run «aptitude update». To install the current backported
kernel: «aptitude -t jessie-backports install
linux-image-`uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,'`». To
list available backported kernel image packages: «aptitude
search '?narrow(~nlinux-image,?origin(Debian
Backports))'».
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2409 [15:13:46] <egazz> ok, I'll try that in a moment (have
to go into another room to be within range of an ethernet cable)
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2412 [15:15:21] <Heylo67> i try to rebuil this backport kernel
with a localmodconfig but i always get
"scripts/package/Makefile:91: recipe for target
'deb-pkg' failed make[1]: *** [deb-pkg] Error 2", i
thought maybe i have not the right permissions to do that
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2420 [15:21:24] <egazz> jelly: apt won't do it
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2423 [15:22:02] <egazz> jelly: I get an error message that it
depends on "linux base >= 4.3" but that "3.5 is to
be installed"
2424 [15:22:18] <egazz> when trying to install the non-grsec
linux-image
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2430 [15:25:26] <egazz> trying to install a different version of
the kernel (non-grsec), and I get an error message from aptitude
that the wrong version of linux base is to be installed
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2496 [15:49:48] <boreeas_> I'm trying to pass env vars over
ssh (ssh target TEST=hello ...) - If the remote command is
'env', TEST shows up, but if the remote command is
'echo $TEST', nothing is printed
2497 [15:49:53] <boreeas_> can someone explain that to me?
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2506 [15:53:30] <steinex> boreeas_: hm, it's the same locally
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2508 [15:53:39] <steinex> if you do TEST=hello && echo
$TEST it works
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2510 [15:54:35] <boreeas_> hm, locally it works fine for me both
ways
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2512 [15:54:39] <boreeas_> remote, neither works
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2514 [15:55:02] <SynrG> boreeas_: correct. you would need to
whitelist them
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2517 [15:55:16] <SynrG> boreeas_: ssh has an option for saying
what gets passed through from ENV
2518 [15:55:21] <steinex> boreeas_: it does, if you quote it
2519 [15:55:23] <SynrG> consult ssh_config man page
2520 [15:55:29] <steinex> otherwise "echo $TEST" is run
locally
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2522 [15:55:35] <steinex> ~$ ssh markus 'TEST=hello
&& echo $TEST'
2523 [15:55:35] <steinex> hello
2524 [15:55:45] <SynrG> right. that should work fine
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2526 [15:56:01] <missmbob> boreeas_: you probably just need
PermitUserEnvironment in sshd_config
2527 [15:56:10] <SynrG> otherwise use SendEnv option
2528 [15:56:19] <steinex> i don't think it's an ssh
issue here
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2530 [15:56:40] <SynrG> well, it depends. in some contexts,
modifying the payload (command) of ssh is a pain
2531 [15:56:42] <steinex> i find it indeed interesting that this
also doesn't work when run locally: TEST=hello echo $TEST
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2533 [15:56:55] <blind> because the shell expands $TEST before the
whole thing runs.
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2536 [15:57:22] <boreeas_> well, i mean
2537 [15:57:29] <boreeas_> works for me locally, that way
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2541 [15:57:42] <blind> after you defined TEST maybe.
2542 [15:58:00] <boreeas_> might be a zsh thing?
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2544 [15:58:09] <blind> ah maybe.
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2546 [15:58:17] <blind> not sure the order of things with zsh
2547 [15:58:36] <SynrG> ahhh ... SendEnv in isolation probably
doesn't work (see missmbob's comment about
PermitUserEnvironment needed in sshd_config)
2548 [15:58:47] <Hello71> it works the same way. you already
defined TEST in a previous line
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2550 [15:59:13] <boreeas_> anyway, even if I quote the whole
command to ssh, it doesn't work
2551 [15:59:32] <boreeas_> I guess I can just upload a shell
script instead...
2552 [15:59:36] <SynrG> actually, i think AcceptEnv is the
relevant option
2553 [15:59:42] <boreeas_> since i don't have access to the
sshd config
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2607 [16:25:21] <SynrG> boreeas_: i don't think you need a
script. you just need single-quotes so the variable expansion is
deferred, i think
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2615 [16:27:34] <bewbie> what is the package for paste something
to particular paste site?
2616 [16:27:36] <SynrG> boreeas_: local test case:
2617 [16:27:38] <SynrG> TEST=hello sh -c 'echo $TEST'
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2619 [16:27:41] <bewbie> there was a package for that?
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2624 [16:31:11] <SynrG> boreeas_: remote test case: ssh localhost
"TEST=hello sh -c 'echo \$TEST'"
2625 [16:31:48] <SerajewelKS> bewbie: pastebinit
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2627 [16:32:13] <bewbie> thanks
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2662 [16:47:47] <Misa3l> hello
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2664 [16:48:12] <Heisen88> any body test debian on Mac BookPro
2665 [16:48:13] <Heisen88> ?
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2667 [16:48:54] <babilen> Misa3l: Please don't /msg random
people in this channel
2668 [16:49:18] <SynrG> !mbp
2669 [16:49:18] <dpkg> The MacBook Pro is a laptop series produced
by Apple Inc., succeeding the PowerBook G4.
replaced-url
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2671 [16:49:51] <SynrG> personally? no. and also, there are many
models, with different hardware, so if you're having issues, we
need to know exactly what.
2672 [16:49:51] <Arone> TGIF ?
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2675 [16:50:30] <Heisen88> i just want to make sure i'm
triying to find the right linux distro for my mac
2676 [16:50:42] <SynrG> from my prior experiences with MBP, issues
tend to fall into two categories: grappling with EFI, and grappling
with Wifi :p
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2679 [16:51:51] <SynrG> (but no, that wasn't debian)
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2681 [16:53:42] <rattking> I have Debian on a mac book pro 8,3 and
due to the hybrid graphics (ati/intel) it was a serious pain. and I
am not sure if I remember how I did it
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2691 [16:55:51] <rattking> I ended up disabling the ati chipset
all together (in grub I think) and just use the intel
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2693 [16:56:49] <Heisen88> that doesn't sound good at all
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2707 [17:08:14] <SerajewelKS> i have an encrypted system with
three LUKS volumes, each containing an LVM physical volume. the LUKS
volume containing / is encrypted by passphrase, the others by keys
stored in /etc.
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2710 [17:08:39] <SerajewelKS> i just moved /usr to its own LVM and
now the system won't boot; it seems to be waitin for /usr to
mount before proceeding, but it needs to open the LUKS volume
containing /usr first.
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2712 [17:08:59] <SerajewelKS> and /home is a separate volume too.
that was working before.
2713 [17:09:15] <SerajewelKS> is there some issue with having /usr
on a separate volume in this scenario?
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2717 [17:12:03] <SerajewelKS> when it drops me to the initramfs
shell, i can recover by running cryptsetup to open the LUKS volume
containing the LVM PV containing /usr
2718 [17:12:08] <SerajewelKS> i'm just confused why this
isn't happening automatically
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2722 [17:13:31] <SerajewelKS> is there something i need to
configure so that this happens?
2723 [17:13:38] <SynrGy> Heisen88: except 8,3 is rather old. also,
anecdotes don't necessarily make good predictors of success for
you unless they are for exactly the same hardware and exactly the
same Debian release.
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2727 [17:14:26] <recstecs> hi guys is it normal that formating a
1.5tb hard disk drive with ext4 takes about 5 minutes?
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2730 [17:15:08] <croddy> that sounds pretty fast to me
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2733 [17:16:35] <recstecs> i am used to ntfs fast format
2734 [17:16:43] <recstecs> is it because of the inode allocation?
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2742 [17:20:51] <jelly> recstecs, it's normal unless you have
a decent storage backend (ssd, or a raid10 with a dozen separate
disks, or a hw raid controller with lots of cache)
2743 [17:21:15] <recstecs> thanks jelly
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2745 [17:21:27] <recstecs> is it because of the inode thing?
2746 [17:22:01] <jelly> it's some of the metadata, I do not
know which bit.
2747 [17:22:21] <recstecs> ok
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2749 [17:22:46] <recstecs> if i will partition and format a new
disk
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2751 [17:23:29] <recstecs> i want to mount it and give my user the
right to read and write on it
2752 [17:23:34] <SerajewelKS> i'm just not even sure how to
debug why the system won't boot with /usr on a separate
encrypted volume
2753 [17:23:58] <recstecs> do i only chmod the mount directory?
2754 [17:24:00] <jelly> if you're on debian 8, the initial
mkfs is relatively fast and some of the metadata creation is delayed
and done only after the first mount
2755 [17:24:16] <jelly> (search for "lazy" in mke2fs
manual)
2756 [17:24:17] <recstecs> i used gparted
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2758 [17:24:50] <jelly> then ask gparted people about their mkfs
settings
2759 [17:24:54] <recstecs> better to use mkfs.ext4 ?
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2761 [17:25:38] <jelly> all the tools use mkfs.ext4 (= mke2fs)
underneath to make an ext4 fs, it's just their choice of
settings that may be different
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2763 [17:25:51] <recstecs> ok
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2765 [17:25:54] <recstecs> thanks jelly
2766 [17:26:11] <jelly> if it's finished now, that's it,
no reason to do it again
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2770 [17:26:30] <recstecs> oki
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2772 [17:26:54] <complib> anyone have experience with exim4 and
dovecot setup?
2773 [17:27:00] <recstecs> i want to copy data from an ntfs disk
to ext4 disk
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2844 [17:33:16] <SerajewelKS> it seems that the initramfs
cryptsetup process refuses to process volumes that are unlocked with
key files. is there a way to change this?
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2867 [17:35:23] <bartosz_> I want to automate something using
xdotool but still want to be able to stop it (especially when
something goes wrong). What would be the best way to do it?
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2887 [17:36:37] <SynrGy> bartosz_: define 'it'. the
automation, or the result of the automation?
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2890 [17:37:38] <monkey_trauma> Question: when you run apt-get
update and it connects to the servers in your sources.list file,
what server port does it connect to?
2891 [17:37:40] <SynrGy> bartosz_: if it's the result (e.g.
signalling specific processes to stop), that can be determined by
looking up pids of things that are launched
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2893 [17:38:15] <SynrGy> if it's the script doing the call to
xdotool, you could 'set -e' and return non-zero status if
something doesn't work out
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2895 [17:38:29] <SynrGy> (assuming it's called by a shell
script)
2896 [17:38:32] <bartosz_> The way I thought would be to run it as
long as some key is not pressed, but I don''t know how
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2899 [17:39:02] <bartosz_> (with xdotool it's very easy to
loose control over keyboard and mouse)
2900 [17:39:06] <SynrGy> i would set up a trap in the script and
signal it when i want it to terminate
2901 [17:39:22] <SynrGy> i see
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3007 [17:40:20] <bartosz_> It once took me 15 minytes to get a
script to stop because I couldn't even do ctrl+alt+F1 and it
interfered with every window manager shrtcut I could iagine
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3016 [17:41:09] <bartosz_> So I would like something that
doesn't require me to switch to other window or type
anything/click anything
3017 [17:41:18] <SynrGy> bartosz_: maybe put hardcoded sleeps in
the script
3018 [17:41:29] <SynrGy> so it doesn't completely monopolize
the event queue
3019 [17:41:41] <bartosz_> The reason for automating it is to make
it as fast as possible, I'm trying to reproduce a raare bug
3020 [17:41:43] <SynrGy> very tiny fractional second sleeps
3021 [17:41:48] <greycat> You want to... do something... but you
aren't allowed to accept mouse or keyboard input as the
trigger.
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3024 [17:41:58] <SynrGy> the actual delay doesn't need to be
large
3025 [17:42:04] <bartosz_> I can accept a single key but it needs
towork from any window
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3027 [17:42:06] <SynrGy> just large enough to get a word in
edgewise, so to speak
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3029 [17:42:35] <greycat> Your window manager can probably be
configured to intercept a specific keystroke in every context. fvwm
definitely can.
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3031 [17:42:44] <bartosz_> I know xinput can do it
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3033 [17:43:06] <bartosz_> xinput test 10 show all pressed keys
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3036 [17:43:56] <plasmoduck> Eggdrop needs a config file to run.
For an example, have a look at eggdrop.conf which is distributed
with Eggdrop.
3037 [17:44:02] <plasmoduck> Where for the love of God is
eggdrop.conf located? I cannot find any clear instructions in the
man page about it apart from "
3038 [17:44:06] <plasmoduck> ^
3039 [17:44:23] <greycat> Presumably you create it with a text
editor.
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3041 [17:44:39] <greycat> I've never run an eggdrop bot
though.
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3044 [17:45:24] <SynrGy> if irc is for the impatient, perhaps the
eggdrop developers had no faith in people's abilities to read
man pages and therefore didn't bother? :)
3045 [17:45:31] <digdilem> plasmoduck, long time since i used it,
but iirc - examples are in /usr/share/eggdrop somewhere, and
you'd put them either in your home dir, or whereever you want
and you'd specify their path with a switch
3046 [17:45:32] <SynrGy> read the source
3047 [17:45:49] <digdilem> it's quite common to simply steal
someone else's eggdrop.conf off the web though
3048 [17:45:53] <plasmoduck> Thats it
3049 [17:45:56] <SynrGy> (also you could file a minor doc bug on
it)
3050 [17:46:01] <plasmoduck> Thanks
3051 [17:46:09] <SynrGy> might help the next poor hapless soul
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3053 [17:46:14] <SynrGy> bug + patch, even better
3054 [17:46:17] <plasmoduck> I remember it's been this way in
Debian for years and years
3055 [17:46:19] <bartosz_> xinput --query-state device shows all
key states, I will try to use that
3056 [17:46:23] <plasmoduck> over a decade
3057 [17:46:30] <SynrGy> plasmoduck: smells like an opportunity to
help make Debian better :)
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3059 [17:46:36] <digdilem> that's abouyt the last time i used
eggdrop, r :)
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3079 [17:47:15] <digdilem> there's probably better ways to
help debian that working on eggdrop.It's old, horrible, and
better options are often available
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3207 [18:02:27] <bartosz_> for my automation solution, I got it
working this way: until xinput --query-state 10 | grep -q
"key\[37\]=down"; do echo "do_thing"; sleep 1;
done
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3209 [18:02:32] <ar_> a question? why many of servers use centos
instead of debian-based distros? i love debian
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3217 [18:03:48] <greycat> CentOS is also very popular with people
who run stable servers. Nothing wrong with that.
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3227 [18:06:07] <ar_> thanks greycat.. but why? i want to know the
reason... centos is stable and debian is stable.. both are open
srouce both are community based both both both...
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3231 [18:07:25] <missmbob> ar_: a lot of it has to do because
it's based on rhel. their enterprise support is pretty great.
makes it attractive
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3233 [18:08:59] <teclo-> ar_: well I love Debian GNU/Linux too,
but... many businesses use CentOS... like missmbob says...
3234 [18:09:08] <detha> ar_: with centos it is easier to automate
things. it also gives fewer surprises on updates.
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3236 [18:09:14] <teclo-> CentOS is "like RHEL except you
don't have to pay for it"
3237 [18:09:17] <SynrG> ar_: in the RHEL world, there are some
ridiculously long guarantees of support
3238 [18:09:23] <greycat> Most hosting companies provide multiple
Linux options. So go with one that gives the option you want.
3239 [18:09:24] <teclo-> SynrG: that, too
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3244 [18:10:03] <detha> centos also has some ancient versions of
stuff by default
3245 [18:10:11] <ar_> dear @detha i am disagree with you
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3247 [18:10:35] <ar_> because debian's updates are very
stable and there is no surprising thing
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3250 [18:11:28] <teclo-> to me Debian GNU/Linux updates are stable
and without surprises too
3251 [18:11:36] <ar_> yes
3252 [18:11:39] <greycat> !jessie samba
3253 [18:11:40] <dpkg> A security update in jessie upgrades Samba
to 4.2. The NEWS.Debian.gz file has some errors. See <replaced-url
3254 [18:11:49] <greycat> Occasinally you get one of those.
3255 [18:11:57] <teclo-> greycat: that is indeed correct
3256 [18:12:15] <teclo-> fixing holes in Samba required
force-upgrading to 4.2
3257 [18:12:23] <detha> ar_: <anecdotal>I run both; in
>10 years I have had one centos centos break something in tomcat.
I have had plenty debian things break behaviour on my
desktop</anecdotal>
3258 [18:12:35] <ar_> so, good and contracted support is main
reason for using RHEL distros.. yes?
3259 [18:12:56] <greycat> detha: comparing server and desktop
isn't quite fair though
3260 [18:13:00] <teclo-> ar_: that is one of the reasons, also
RHEL has certifications
3261 [18:13:04] <ar_> but centos has not any supports.. am i
wrong?
3262 [18:13:10] <ar_> redhat enterprise has
3263 [18:13:24] <teclo-> ar_: well RHEL has decent support
3264 [18:13:25] <ar_> centos has community based support and
debian has too!!
3265 [18:13:29] <SynrG> ar_: and "good" is a mushy term.
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3267 [18:13:45] <SynrG> people can contract with consultants to
support debian in the long term
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3270 [18:14:28] <teclo-> also RHEL might be a better choice with
Linux advocacy, when you've got management telling "Hey
Linux has no professionnal commercial support"... or "Hey
Linux is free, that's not expensive enough"
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3272 [18:14:57] <blawiz> can one make urxvt -name foo override -e
bar, so window title is foo instead of bar?
3273 [18:15:40] <detha> greycat: true. but I have seen the effects
of using debian-derivatives in a server role on projects with an
8-year lifespan. $$$ in maintenance cost
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3275 [18:16:09] <greycat> debian derivatives also don't count
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3277 [18:16:16] <teclo-> detha: who's billing that much ?
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3281 [18:17:40] <detha> teclo-: various conslutants. to fix stuff
where APIs or kernel drivers 'just changed'.
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3285 [18:19:23] <teclo-> detha: sounds weird... I'd say the
biggest problem using Debian GNU/Linux for 8 years would be having
about 4 dist-upgrades (or 4 clean installs)
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3287 [18:19:55] <teclo-> detha: but with enough knowledge and
patience, it should work
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3290 [18:21:00] <detha> teclo-: 4 dist-upgrades means 4 times
re-certifying the whole she-bang. which takes 6 to 9 months, and a
bunch of temps for a month or two to manually verify things.
3291 [18:21:15] <TomTomTosch> but you don't need to upgrade
every 2 years. squeeze got LTS till 2016.
3292 [18:21:25] <sine0> is there a debian casual channel
3293 [18:21:38] <greycat> You'd probably skip a few
dist-upgrades and leapfrog from, say, version 5 to version 9.
3294 [18:21:49] <greycat> sine0: there's #debian-offtopic,
why?
3295 [18:22:03] <sine0> that will do. I just want to chat about
debian stuff that is not a question to be answered
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3301 [18:27:27] <monkey_trauma> Question...why would I not be able
to run apt-get update when connected to a public wifi spot? I
confirmed I can ping common domains.
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3304 [18:27:50] <LostSoul> Hi
3305 [18:27:51] <greycat> what's the error you get?
3306 [18:27:52] <SynrGy> monkey_trauma: does it catch fire?
3307 [18:27:54] <LostSoul> I've got a qestion
3308 [18:27:57] <LostSoul> question *
3309 [18:28:07] <LostSoul> How to redirect cron messages to mail
3310 [18:28:07] <SynrGy> monkey_trauma: or more usefully,
greycat's question :)
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3312 [18:28:30] <LostSoul> Actually I've got it turned on, I
want to turn it off
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3314 [18:28:33] <monkey_trauma> Hmm unfortunately I don't
have the error any longer, but it was along the lines of can't
connect.
3315 [18:28:36] <LostSoul> Any tip?
3316 [18:28:40] <greycat> LostSoul: do nothing special. All cron
job output (stdout+stderr) goes to email to the job's owner.
3317 [18:28:55] <SynrGy> monkey_trauma: so is it a "captive
portal" wifi spot? if so, did you first open a web page and
login?
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3319 [18:29:06] <SynrGy> that could cause failures
3320 [18:29:24] <SynrGy> you might have only partial connectivity
before you finish that process
3321 [18:29:37] <monkey_trauma> SynrGy maybe that's the
issue...which is why I tried pinging google.com, and that worked.
3322 [18:29:49] <SynrGy> but google.com could be cached locally
3323 [18:29:53] <SynrGy> so that's no good
3324 [18:29:58] <monkey_trauma> Oh yeah?
3325 [18:30:02] <monkey_trauma> Hmm didn't know that.
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3327 [18:30:06] <LostSoul> greycat: So long on linux but I
didn't know that, where can I find setting for that?
3328 [18:30:12] <LostSoul> If you don't mind giving me a hint
here
3329 [18:30:43] <greycat> LostSoul: it's not a *setting*.
It's how cron has worked for years and years before linux was
even *conceived*.
3330 [18:30:44] <monkey_trauma> So captive portal means I have to
open a browser and click "Accept" on their thinggy?
3331 [18:30:49] <SynrGy> yes.
3332 [18:31:08] <monkey_trauma> Ok thanks.
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3334 [18:31:37] <greycat> bot will kick me for this but it's
worth it. HP-UX man page for crontab says:
3335 [18:31:41] <greycat> WARNINGS
3336 [18:31:41] <greycat> Be sure to redirect the standard output
and standard error from
3337 [18:31:41] <greycat> commands. If this is not done, any
generated standard output or
3338 [18:31:41] <greycat> standard error is mailed to the user.
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3345 [18:32:49] <LostSoul> greycat: Sure I get it but I have it
somehow redirected to some mailing list
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3348 [18:33:01] <LostSoul> How can I live it on local computer
only
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3351 [18:33:19] <greycat> LostSoul: test this: echo testing | mail
"$LOGNAME"
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3353 [18:33:29] <greycat> does it go to YOU, or is it forwarded to
this "mailing list"?
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3359 [18:35:33] <circ-user-w7XT4> is any package that we can
install on RHEL but not on Debian-based distros?
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3398 [18:53:25] <iamawesome> /part
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3400 [18:53:47] <multilingual> i have installed jessie, lightdm
and MATE on my computer and i use it in english. i will share the
computer with 3 other people. Each one of them speak only their own
native language (spanish, french and portuguese). i want those users
to use the graphical user interface and all its applications in
their respective language. How can this be done?
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3403 [18:55:50] <circ-user-w7XT4> multilingual you should use
program resources
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3422 [19:03:50] <multilingual> arash, sorry? how? what coomands?
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3428 [19:06:29] <SynrGy> multilingual: i gave some advice earlier.
3429 [19:06:50] <multilingual> and i told you it did not work
3430 [19:07:11] <SynrGy> i missed that.
3431 [19:07:17] <multilingual> will be back soon
3432 [19:07:17] <SynrGy> what part didn't work?
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3436 [19:07:48] <jhutchins> I'm not sure multilingual
understands how irc works.
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3438 [19:08:07] <SynrGy> i'd have mentioned generating
locales, but they didn't stay :p
3439 [19:08:19] <SynrGy> that might be the only issue.
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3441 [19:08:37] <SynrGy> and i'm soon to leave for a walk, so
...
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3443 [19:09:07] <bartosz_> every time I want to add something to
$PATH on different linux installation something doesn't work...
what is the best way to do it that will always work, for both
interactive and noninteractive, login and non-login shells and
graphical environment for all users?
3444 [19:09:22] <jhutchins> SynrGy: He was told about that
yesterday.
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3447 [19:10:01] <jhutchins> bartosz_: Use a standard, existing
folder instead of adding to $PATH
3448 [19:10:10] <greycat> bartosz_: There isn't any way that
will ALWAYS work for ALL users in ALL shells in ALL desktop
environments.
3449 [19:10:11] <SynrGy> well, they will only get as good help as
they provide info for (or wait around to hear and really listen)
3450 [19:10:26] <SynrGy> you can lead a horse to water ...
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3452 [19:10:50] <blind> but it's hard to drown them
3453 [19:10:50] <greycat> bartosz_: but as jhutchins says,
symlinking all the programs into /usr/local/bin/ is often a great
solution
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3460 [19:15:00] <bartosz_> I always forget location of
/usr/...what was it?
3461 [19:15:49] <greycat> what?
3462 [19:16:41] <coolbuntu_> bartosz_, its just that
3463 [19:16:49] <bartosz_> on one machine I got /opt/bin added to
path and I remember this location. But I just can't remember
/usr/local/bin/
3464 [19:17:00] <greycat> /opt/bin is nonsensical
3465 [19:17:23] <greycat> It's not how the /opt file system
is supposed to be used. It would be like having /home/bin/
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3467 [19:17:33] <bartosz_> It made more sense to me that as some
tutorial suggested adding each program in /opt to PATH separatet
3468 [19:17:55] <bartosz_> (sorry for bad typing, I hate this
keyboard)
3469 [19:18:06] <jhutchins> bartosz_: Therer are wonderful
tutorials all over the internet that will totally trash your system.
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3471 [19:18:12] <jhutchins> bartosz_: The Linux System
Administrator's Guide is an excellent general resource:
replaced-url
3472 [19:18:15] <greycat> So you made /opt/bin/ a symlink farm to
/opt/FooBar/bin/ and /opt/BloatCrap/bin/ and so on? And then you
added /opt/bin/ to PATH in various places?
3473 [19:18:40] <bartosz_> I somehow got it working by addint in
in one place somewhere in ~/
3474 [19:18:40] <greycat> It would have been a lot easier just to
/usr/local/bin/ as the linkfarm since it's already in PATH.
3475 [19:18:51] <bartosz_> but only for one user
3476 [19:19:15] <SynrGy> yeah. what greycat said. that's what
i do
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3479 [19:19:50] <SynrGy> or in some cases, crap in /opt
doesn't need to be in PATH (e.g. only launched via GUI
launcher; just see if the installer put a .desktop file somewhere
accessible)
3480 [19:20:18] <SynrGy> e.g. in /usr/local/share/applications
preferably
3481 [19:20:19] <bartosz_> I will just try to remember
/usr/local/bin, ad I want things in opt to be in path because I
usually want to be able to start them with simple command
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3483 [19:20:36] <greycat> *.desktop files are a thing I intend to
delay learning as long as I can possibly get away with. Maybe
they'll just die and go away before I ever have to learn them.
3484 [19:20:38] <SynrGy> fair enough
3485 [19:20:48] <SynrGy> heh
3486 [19:20:59] <SynrGy> they're xdg, and here to stay i
think
3487 [19:21:19] <jhutchins> greycat: It will all go into the
systemd registry soon enough.
3488 [19:21:22] <SynrGy> they're a fair sight better than
debian's *.menu
3489 [19:21:27] <bartosz_> I never used .desktop files... for me
they kind of look like hybrid is normal scripts and windows
shortcuts
3490 [19:21:31] <SynrGy> jhutchins: don't joke!
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3494 [19:22:01] <SynrGy> they may not be perfect, but they do
solve a problem
3495 [19:22:11] <jhutchins> bartosz_: Very much like Windows
shortcuts from what I've seen.
3496 [19:22:31] <SynrGy> i like the ability to locally override
things (unlike windows shortcuts)
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3498 [19:22:36] <SynrGy> so functionally, much more powerful
3499 [19:22:42] <SynrGy> even if superficially similar
3500 [19:22:44] <arash> Is there any commercial and official
support from debian community?
3501 [19:22:53] <arash> something like redhat support
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3503 [19:22:58] <SynrGy> !consultants
3504 [19:22:59] <dpkg> rumour has it, consultants is
replaced-url
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3507 [19:23:17] <SynrGy> you can't hire Debian to support
you, though.
3508 [19:23:17] <bartosz_> except that I can't make .desktop
file easly (at least i xfce)
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3510 [19:23:30] <greycat> Debian itself does not offer support
contracts.
3511 [19:23:36] <jhutchins> arash: Debian is more of a distributed
community effort, there's no Master Corporate Entity behind it.
3512 [19:23:37] <bartosz_> WHY THIS DAMN KEYBOARD SKIPS CHARACTERS
3513 [19:23:38] <greycat> It'll all be third-party
contractors.
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3515 [19:24:00] <SynrGy> bartosz_: it has character flaws
3516 [19:24:04] <SynrGy> ba-dum, ching
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3518 [19:24:46] <arash> jhutchins: I think it is a big problem in
debian lovely distro.. Isn't it?
3519 [19:25:26] <SynrGy> arash: do you see thousands of users
leaving debian or not using it in production situations because of
this?
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3521 [19:25:31] <SynrGy> so no, it's not a problem.
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3523 [19:25:39] <arash> many of enterprises decide to use redhat
(rhel) only and only for perfect support of redhact co
3524 [19:25:39] <teraflops> bartosz_: I have a 5 usd keyboard that
does the same ^
3525 [19:25:41] <SynrGy> it's a feature, not a bug.
3526 [19:25:47] <abrotman> teraflops: usb?
3527 [19:25:51] <teraflops> yep
3528 [19:25:52] <SynrGy> arash: so let them
3529 [19:25:52] <bartosz_> I just realized that in this computer I
actually have debian testing...
3530 [19:26:09] <teclo-> arash: if you want redhat, go buy redhat
3531 [19:26:13] <SynrGy> debian is not for everyone. it
couldn't be as awesome as it is if it provided commercial
support contracts
3532 [19:26:29] <SynrGy> it's part of its values. its
character.
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3538 [19:27:44] <teclo-> if you don't like Debian GNU/Linux
don't use it
3539 [19:28:20] <arash> teclo: o that was not response of my
question!!!! i dont want to buy redhat.. i love debian.. Now..
exactly now i'm using debian in my laptop... I ask this because
i love debian
3540 [19:28:30] <teclo-> however I've seen in the past many
many cases of thousands of users leaving some product, but it never
happened with Debian, and I started with Debian 2.0
3541 [19:28:55] <teclo-> arash: well Debian has a social contract
3542 [19:28:56] <SynrGy> arash: if what you're saying in a
round-about way is "I can't sell Debian to my superiors
because it does not offer commercial support", then invest some
effort into a different sales pitch to your superiors.
3543 [19:29:05] <SynrGy> arash: or else, don't recommend
Debian to them if you can't do that.
3544 [19:29:16] <SynrGy> !why debian
3545 [19:29:16] <dpkg> Debian strives to maintain your freedom
whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of
making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See
also
replaced-url
3546 [19:29:27] <SynrGy> ^^ something along these lines
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3555 [19:31:47] <arash> No i dont decide to sell distro to anyone!
i'm a programmer and not tech support for OS... I just asked
for understanding the main reason
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3560 [19:33:14] <arash> centos and all of rhel distros have a
major pros : Support, quaranteed support
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3562 [19:33:59] <arash> but why we have a lack in debian about a
guaranteed support?
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3565 [19:34:55] <arash> Is it advantage? how you can say it is
advangate when it causes maaaany enterprises leave it to rhel
destination only for a official support?
3566 [19:35:24] <greycat> Doesn't matter whether it's a
"disadvantage" or not. Debian (SPI) is not going to offer
paid support contracts. They are not interested in that goal.
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3568 [19:35:48] <coolbuntu_> arash, money corrupts.
3569 [19:36:49] <bartosz_> Which grub version debian uses by
default?
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3572 [19:37:35] <greycat> ,v grub-pc
3573 [19:37:36] <judd> Package: grub-pc on amd64 -- squeeze:
1.98+20100804-14+squeeze1; squeeze-security-lts:
1.98+20100804-14+squeeze2; wheezy: 1.99-27+deb7u3; wheezy-security:
1.99-27+deb7u3; jessie-security: 2.02~beta2-22+deb8u1; jessie:
2.02~beta2-22+deb8u1; sid: 2.02~beta2-36; stretch: 2.02~beta2-36
3574 [19:37:41] <arash> coolbuntu_ i agree, but it is not only
about dollars and money.. it is about a assured good quality and
24/7 support.. which it will give a good confidence for enterprise
stackholders to choose debian over other distros
3575 [19:37:41] <coolbuntu_> did https everywhere change its icon
in chromium?
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3579 [19:38:21] <coolbuntu_> arash, but then they might think they
are entitled to controlling aspects of debian.
3580 [19:38:47] <teraflops> arash: take it as an opportunity. run
your own business doing support for debian
3581 [19:40:27] <arash> coolbuntu_ Are enterprises that pay for
redhat support.. controlling the future of this distro and all rhel
distros?
3582 [19:40:29] <SynrGy> arash: if you're only asking about
it in the abstract, then i think you'll never really understand
it.
3583 [19:40:42] <SynrGy> arash: watch how it works in action and
you'll understand the benefits of the way we do things.
3584 [19:40:58] <SynrGy> arash: for example, i use Debian in my
business. it works fine. we like the control it gives us.
3585 [19:41:08] <SynrGy> arash: we also very much appreciate the
strong community support
3586 [19:41:13] <SynrGy> it meshes well with our needs.
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3590 [19:41:43] <arash> teraflops good idea :)
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3596 [19:42:02] <SynrGy> this is not the place to argue
"Debian is excellent. all it needs is _____." If you have
a really good idea to make Debian better, then start making it
better with action!
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3598 [19:42:06] <arash> teraflops but i'm a 3rd party
person.. i think debian needs official and direct support
3599 [19:42:23] <SynrGy> but do pay attention to the culture we
have, and learn how Debian works.
3600 [19:42:27] <teraflops> God noo!
3601 [19:42:31] <coolbuntu_> arash, i consider redhat gov't,
corporate, and russian controlled spyware.
3602 [19:42:33] <Barteks2x> What happened to #debian-next?
3603 [19:42:36] <SynrGy> your plans to make Debian better will go
much better when you do.
3604 [19:43:02] <greycat> Barteks2x: it's on the OFTC
network, not freenode
3605 [19:43:05] <teraflops> my God no was for arash ^
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3607 [19:43:14] <SynrGy> this has ceased being a debian support
topic. can we take it to #debian-offtopic if we want to continue,
please?
3608 [19:43:46] <Barteks2x> wait, so there is debian channel on
freenode and on oftc?
3609 [19:43:59] <SynrGy> yes. irc.debian.org == irc.oftc.net
3610 [19:44:07] <Barteks2x> When I was able to join this channel
on freenode I thought I just remembered it wronf
3611 [19:44:10] <SynrGy> this is the unofficial #debian channel
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3614 [19:44:44] <SynrGy> !tell Barteks2x about oftc move
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3616 [19:45:19] <arash> ok thanks friends.. thanks for all
responses..Many thanks
3617 [19:45:49] <Barteks2x> thanks for that, I thought the whole
time I'm on the channel that is on oftc
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3621 [19:48:14] <CutMeOwnThroat> !confuse Barteks2x
3622 [19:48:15] <dpkg> No, those was our pants yesterday,
Barteks2x? Lederhosen of the People's Republic of Liechtenstein
with extra crabpaste.
3623 [19:48:19] <SynrGy> :)
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3626 [19:50:31] <Zliba> cooldude, redhat why russian?
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3630 [19:51:17] <SynrGy> Zliba: itym coolbuntu_, who is now sm00th
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3632 [19:51:37] <Zliba> yes
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3635 [19:51:58] <SynrGy> Zliba, sm00th: also, if you want to talk
about this, #debian-offtopic is the place for it.
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3639 [19:53:27] <sm00th> SynrGy, I killed the discussion as usual
haha
3640 [19:53:36] <prussian> debian-offtopic?
3641 [19:53:36] <sm00th> Zliba, people like fenrus02
3642 [19:53:42] <prussian> is that on oftc as well?
3643 [19:53:49] <greycat> #debian-offtopic is here
3644 [19:53:50] <SynrGy> prussian: yes. both networks have one
3645 [19:53:57] <prussian> it is?
3646 [19:53:57] <prussian> o
3647 [19:54:04] <SynrGy> but join the one here for discussions
that start here.
3648 [19:54:07] <greycat> or join both of them if you want
3649 [19:54:09] <prussian> ah
3650 [19:54:11] <prussian> I did
3651 [19:54:13] <marinintim> hi. I have update-initramfs fail
everytime I do something with apt due to insufficient space. What
can I do? How can I make sure that I've deleted previous image?
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3653 [19:54:19] <prussian> no one seems to be on oftc
3654 [19:54:33] <greycat> marinintim: df /boot, ls /boot, etc.
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3662 [19:56:20] <prussian> thats fair
3663 [19:56:25] <prussian> I'm pretty blameful
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3667 [19:57:51] <marinintim> hm, autoremove didn't clean up
old images.
3668 [19:58:22] <greycat> that's correct, it wouldn't
3669 [19:58:32] <greycat> you can dpkg --purge them if you want
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3671 [20:00:01] <x86iac> prussian: dillinger lives matter?
3672 [20:00:31] <x86iac> ^^ btw can you repost your computer
problem - i will help you
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3674 [20:00:43] <sm00th> SynrGy, even fedora claims to maintain
freedom and is considered a "free" os. But i consider it
suspect.
3675 [20:00:50] <sm00th> woops wrong window
3676 [20:01:01] <SynrGy> np
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3683 [20:02:46] <x86iac> sm00th: the only thing wrong with fedora
besides it blatant push for selinux is that people use it
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3687 [20:03:53] <x86iac> didn't snowden have some posts about
microsoft infiltrating the linux institute starting in the dishroom
at hq
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3691 [20:05:44] <greycat> x86iac: please take this to
#debian-offtopic
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3697 [20:07:02] <prussian> x86iac: sure m8
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3707 [20:12:30] <x86iac> greycat: can't nothing but smart
women and proficient coders there .. i won't stand a chance
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3718 [20:14:47] <x86iac> /join #stupid_debian_offtopic
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3809 [21:03:10] <urand0m> how do i tell what window managers im
using?
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3811 [21:03:28] <urand0m> i have multiple desktop environements
installed
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3813 [21:04:35] <mutante> urand0m: ps aux | grep gnome would tell
you if it's gnome, for example
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3816 [21:05:01] <mtn> gnome is not a window manager
3817 [21:05:15] <mutante> he said desktop environments next line.
whatever
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3819 [21:05:36] <urand0m> mutante, im running xfce4 installed but
i also have gnome installed i think, whats the difference between a
window manager, desktop environment and display manager?
3820 [21:05:39] <TomTomTosch> echo
"$XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP" should work in general.
3821 [21:05:40] <mtn> urand0m: what are you really talking about?
like gnome, kde? or something else?
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3826 [21:07:05] <urand0m> mtn, i installed multple desktop
environments and window managers so i could figure out what i wanted
to use and now theres pieces of each thing running
3827 [21:07:20] <urand0m> i need to get rid of some things but i
need to figure out what im running exactly
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3830 [21:08:01] <urand0m> i also need help with my video driver, i
keep getting some error about i need to run the non-free driver
3831 [21:08:26] <mtn> urand0m: do you use a dm to login? if so,
you choose your de or wm there
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3834 [21:08:52] <urand0m> i havent had internet in since 2013 - so
im a little behind in times ... any help would be greatly
appreciated
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3842 [21:14:30] <teraflops> urand0m: if you do xfce4 and you
didn't change the default wm, I'm pretty sure youre
running xfwm4
3843 [21:15:11] <urand0m> mtn, yes i use a dm.. gdm or xdm ithink
3844 [21:15:14] <urand0m> how do i tell
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3846 [21:15:23] <urand0m> teraflops, i think i have many installed
3847 [21:15:25] <mtn> urand0m: ps aux
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3849 [21:15:31] <teraflops> it doesnt matter ^
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3851 [21:15:34] <greycat> Don't the packages conflict with
each other?
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3853 [21:17:07] <TomTomTosch> no, but you configure one to be
active.
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3855 [21:18:10] <teraflops> urand0m: or give a try to `wmctrl -m`
idk if it will say something useful there though
3856 [21:18:10] <urand0m> teraflops, my pc takes forever to boot,
will you help me figure out what i need and do not need?
3857 [21:19:38] <TomTomTosch> urand0m: you can use for example
'systemd-analyze blame' to see what service took longest
on startup.
3858 [21:19:44] <teraflops> urand0m: well `systemd-analyze blame`
is a good start, also systemctl --failed if something is borked
3859 [21:20:17] <urand0m> here is my pstree
replaced-url
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3862 [21:20:42] <TomTomTosch> "gdm3"
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3864 [21:21:19] <urand0m> TomTomTosch, doesn't gdm3 use a lot
of system resources?
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3866 [21:21:30] <greycat> no
3867 [21:21:49] <TomTomTosch> ^ what he said.
3868 [21:23:26] <teraflops> urand0m: or `systemd-analyze plot >
plot.svg` for the fancy graphics one
3869 [21:23:26] <urand0m> TomTomTosch, where do i find
systemd-analyze?
3870 [21:23:44] <TomTomTosch> urand0m: you type it into a command
line.
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3872 [21:24:16] <TomTomTosch> urand0m: start gnome-terminal for
example.
3873 [21:24:30] <greycat> 30.587s ntp.service
3874 [21:24:42] <teraflops> aww
3875 [21:24:50] <crayon> any reason why gnu would be unable to
show certain elements after an apt upgrade?
replaced-url
3876 [21:25:01] <greycat> of course that's not a thing it
actually WAITs for...
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3879 [21:27:00] <urand0m> TomTomTosch, teraflops here is the
output of systemd-analyze blame
replaced-url
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3881 [21:27:13] <urand0m> how much of that crap do i not need?
3882 [21:27:52] <urand0m> i dont even use virtualbox i suppose i
could get rid of that vbox driverr
3883 [21:28:00] <teraflops> urand0m: sorry I dont click
pastebin.com links I dislike very much that service, sorry for the
inconvenience
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3885 [21:28:28] <urand0m> teraflops, what service do you suggest?
3886 [21:28:33] <greycat> paste.debian.net
3887 [21:28:40] <teraflops> ↑
3888 [21:28:48] <greycat> Z
3889 [21:29:02] <urand0m> teraflops, is paste.debian.net okay with
you?
3890 [21:29:06] <teraflops> sure
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3893 [21:29:31] <urand0m> teraflops, so should i never trust
pastebin links other people send me?
3894 [21:29:48] <teraflops> urand0m: it's up to you
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3896 [21:30:03] <urand0m> teraflops, how come you do not trust
them?
3897 [21:31:24] <teraflops> Pastebin.com is swamped with
advertisements and random captchas. Malware found on pastebin.com
has resulted in it being blocked for some users. It injects CRLF
line-endings. Ads, Spamfilters, Captcha, Adds whitespace, Slow,
Ugly, No comment/annotate, Breaks copy/paste, Blocked for some
people, etc.
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3899 [21:31:44] <teraflops> sorry for the diatribe
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3904 [21:33:08] <jasonvw> Perhaps an odd question: Does anyone
have a debian 4 x64 iso they might be able to upload somewhere?
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3906 [21:33:22] <teraflops> paste.debian.net is fine, clbin, gist,
ptpb, sprunge too
3907 [21:33:31] <teraflops> ix etc
3908 [21:33:50] <urand0m> teraflops, i will never use pastebin
again. thank you for enlightening me :)
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3910 [21:34:18] <urand0m> teraflops, here is the output of
systemd-analyze blame
replaced-url
3911 [21:34:27] <teraflops> urand0m: you can use it if you want I
just said I do not click on it
3912 [21:34:50] <urand0m> jasonvw, how would you be able to verify
the signatures?
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3914 [21:35:06] <urand0m> if coming from a third party?
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3916 [21:35:13] <teraflops> is a matter of trust I suppose
3917 [21:35:18] <jasonvw> beggers can't be choosers
3918 [21:35:36] <jasonvw> PLus this is going to be debian 4 for
all of 20 minutes.
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3922 [21:35:51] <teraflops> urand0m: well just paste that thing ;)
3923 [21:36:14] <jasonvw> I just need to get an openvz container
to vmware so I can upgrade it.
3924 [21:36:21] <teraflops> ah sorry I missed it
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3926 [21:36:31] <jasonvw> Unless y'all have a better way
3927 [21:36:38] <TomTomTosch> jasonvw: have you looked here?
replaced-url
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3932 [21:37:13] <jasonvw> Yeah, I'm having trouble finding
something that isn't netinstall.
3933 [21:37:25] <jasonvw> Which I don't suspect will work all
that well.
3934 [21:37:32] <TomTomTosch> why?
3935 [21:37:40] <urand0m> teraflops, what package is wmctrl a part
of? it says the command is not found
3936 [21:37:42] <TomTomTosch> you just need to point the sources
to the archive.
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3938 [21:38:05] <teraflops> urand0m: you install it via
apt/aptitude
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3940 [21:38:47] <Stevie-O> packages.debian.org says that
/usr/bin/wmctrl is installed by (surprise!) package
'wmctrl'
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3942 [21:38:55] <teraflops> urand0m: if you dont use virtualbox
just disable it, the same if you dont do pppd, same for the firewall
(uwf) and exim is taking ages ^
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3948 [21:39:41] <urand0m> this might sound stupid but im going to
try to use an analogy .. windows has services.msc and msconfig which
are programs and configuration utilities for starting / stopping /
disabling services from startup etc, what would the equivilent of
that be in linux?
3949 [21:39:45] <pie__> hey guys, im on wheezy (yes still)
3950 [21:39:53] <pie__> how can i check what gnome version im
running?
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3952 [21:40:00] <teraflops> urand0m: systemctl
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3954 [21:40:27] <TomTomTosch> pie__: dpkg -l gnome
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3957 [21:40:45] <pie__> none apparently
3958 [21:40:51] <teraflops> urand0m: if youre not used to it i
strongly suggest you to read something light at least for the
trivial start/stop/enable/disable bits
3959 [21:40:55] <urand0m> teraflops, is there a gui for systemctl?
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3962 [21:41:16] <teraflops> nope that Im aware of (in debian
repos)
3963 [21:41:20] <urand0m> teraflops, im going to google every
single individual service and process , i wont blindly disable
3964 [21:41:22] <pie__> none apparently is 3.4 apparently
3965 [21:41:23] <pie__> ugh
3966 [21:41:32] <teraflops> urand0m: do you use a modem?
3967 [21:41:35] <pie__> thats way low
3968 [21:41:42] <Kobaz> mm modems
3969 [21:41:43] <Kobaz> fun
3970 [21:41:48] <urand0m> teraflops, i tether
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3972 [21:41:58] <urand0m> from a mobile device
3973 [21:42:00] <urand0m> wifi
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3977 [21:42:46] <teraflops> that's not count as a modem, i
mean pppd for adsl or sim card
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3981 [21:43:26] <urand0m> teraflops, nope, how come?
3982 [21:43:38] <teraflops> urand0m: no idea
3983 [21:43:42] <teraflops> it's your system
3984 [21:44:16] <pie__> this isnt in the wheezy repos for some
reason even though the site says it is
replaced-url
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3986 [21:44:22] <pie__> so im trying to compile it
3987 [21:44:25] <urand0m> teraflops, lmao...i see.. should i keep
it incase i do come across a dsl connect somewhere?
3988 [21:44:33] <teraflops> if not disable it, same for the
firewall, if youre not using uwf disable it, same for virtualbox,
about exim I'm not sure why it takes soo long
3989 [21:44:55] <pie__> but the gnome-3.14 branch needs a higher
version of libgirepository1.0-dev than the one in the repo which is
1.32.1-1
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3991 [21:45:00] <pie__> it needs like 1.36
3992 [21:45:06] <urand0m> teraflops, im using UFW because i do not
fully understand IPTABLES
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3994 [21:45:13] <urand0m> but id rather be using IPTABLES
3995 [21:45:17] <pie__> so what would be the highest version of
this program i can install? i.e. which branch should i check out
3996 [21:45:23] <teraflops> urand0m: perhaps you enabled it by
mistake when using network manager? (pppd)
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3998 [21:45:32] <teraflops> urand0m: then it's fine
3999 [21:47:07] <rmeden1> Hi gang.. I'm looking for Chris
Butler. He used to be active on Debian... has anyone heard from him
lately? Is he ok?
4000 [21:47:10] <teraflops> urand0m: you still have the daemon,
what I wonder is whats the point of having it enabled
4001 [21:47:21] <urand0m> teraflops i have a network manager in my
system tray, when i right click it, it says enable networking and
enable wifi so the labels are broad, maybe enable networking enables
pppd as well
4002 [21:47:32] <urand0m> ?
4003 [21:47:36] <teraflops> not by default
4004 [21:47:54] <teraflops> that's the point of this
conversation :P
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4007 [21:48:28] <urand0m> so theres not gui for systemctl?
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4011 [21:48:49] <teraflops> as i said I have no idea
4012 [21:48:58] <urand0m> my bad
4013 [21:49:17] <urand0m> i just woke up ^_^
4014 [21:49:33] <urand0m> havent had enough coffee
4015 [21:49:54] <teraflops> that's fine, just take it easy
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4017 [21:50:47] <urand0m> im reading the man page for systemctl it
also says systemd(1), systemadm(1), journalctl(1), loginctl(1),
systemd.unit(5), systemd.resource-management(5), systemd.special(7),
wall(1),
4018 [21:50:47] <urand0m> systemd.preset(5)glob(7)
4019 [21:50:56] <urand0m> what do the numbers in parenthesis mean?
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4022 [21:51:17] <greycat> section
4023 [21:51:38] <greycat> see for example "man 1 intro",
"man 7 intro"
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4025 [21:51:54] <urand0m> greycat, i see, thank you
4026 [21:52:04] <urand0m> thank you all for your patience
4027 [21:52:07] <teraflops> np
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4029 [21:53:03] <Reventlov> Hi. I found about
replaced-url
4030 [21:53:04] <judd> Bug
replaced-url
4031 [21:53:37] * urand0m steps away to read man pages before i ask more
dumb questions :p
4032 [21:53:39] <jhutchins> Reventlov: The bugreport is likely to
be more current than people here.
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4035 [21:54:51] <Reventlov> jhutchins: I just want to be sure,
I'm not used to debian.
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4039 [21:56:31] <jhutchins> Reventlov: WHile you may randomly run
into a developer here who's working on a particular bug, mostly
we're just fellow users, and if we're not on the bug
thread...
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4041 [21:57:18] <Reventlov> jhutchins: ok, goodbye then.
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4051 [22:02:22] <__CoolGuy> I just install awesome and
doesn't appear in the options to choose
4052 [22:02:24] <__CoolGuy> what do i do?
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4057 [22:04:21] <TomTomTosch> try restarting your dm.
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4059 [22:05:09] <__CoolGuy> dm? desktop manager?
4060 [22:05:16] <__CoolGuy> how do I do that?
4061 [22:05:20] <TomTomTosch> systemctl restart
<yourdm>.service should do.
4062 [22:05:21] <greycat> display manager. the thing you login
through.
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4066 [22:05:41] <greycat> !dm
4067 [22:05:41] <dpkg> DM means Display Manager, the app that
brings up a graphical login screen and starts your login session.
<xdm>, <gdm>, <kdm>, <wdm>, pdm, login.app,
<slim> and <lightdm> are all examples of display
managers. Ask me about <nodm> if you want to disable the DM.
Or Debian Maintainer:
replaced-url
4068 [22:05:53] <greycat> those examples need some updating, I
think...
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4072 [22:07:40] <greycat> dpkg, dm =~ s/<xdm>, <gdm>,
<kdm>, <wdm>, pdm, login.app, <slim> and
<lightdm>/<lightdm>, <gdm3>, <xdm>,
<kdm>, <wdm>, pdm, login.app and <slim>/
4073 [22:07:40] <dpkg> OK, greycat
4074 [22:07:41] <__CoolGuy> I restarted and It doesn't work
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4093 [22:11:50] <rmeden1> Sorry to interrupt before, I'm
looking for Chris Butler. He used to be active on Debian... has
anyone heard from him lately? Is he ok?
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4095 [22:12:39] <rmeden1> (BTW, I'm not a bill collector..
I'm with the XMLTV project)
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4097 [22:12:55] <__CoolGuy> systemctl restart gdm3
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4101 [22:13:18] <__CoolGuy> I did that but doesn't work
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4103 [22:13:37] <TomTomTosch> __CoolGuy: there seem to be problems
with GDM/LightDM and awesome 3.4. you could try using a different
DM.
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4106 [22:14:40] <__CoolGuy> What manager is good?
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4112 [22:18:33] <TomTomTosch> slim or wdm, it doesn't really
matter.
4113 [22:18:52] <TomTomTosch> or kdm is you have kde already
installed.
4114 [22:18:59] <TomTomTosch> s/is/if
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4151 [22:32:40] <capsloth> how add ipv6 loopback address (::1) to
loopback interface?
4152 [22:32:48] <capsloth> *how to
4153 [22:33:00] <capsloth> i'm using debian 8.5
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4156 [22:33:49] <greycat> It should just *be* there already.
4157 [22:34:07] <greycat> Do you not see ipv6 stuff in "ip
addr show lo"?
4158 [22:34:39] <capsloth> nops
4159 [22:34:51] <capsloth> only 127.0.0.1/8
4160 [22:35:01] <greycat> Did you disable ipv6 support through
some kind of sysctl command or editing some file?
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4164 [22:36:11] <capsloth> my /etc/sysctl.conf has:
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4167 [22:36:23] <capsloth> #net.ipv6.conf.all.forwarding=1
4168 [22:36:31] <capsloth> #net.ipv6.conf.all.accept_redirects = 0
4169 [22:36:37] <capsloth> #net.ipv6.conf.all.accept_source_route
= 0
4170 [22:36:40] <capsloth> nothing more
4171 [22:37:03] <greycat> !noipv6
4172 [22:37:03] <dpkg> From Debian 6.0 "Squeeze"
onwards, <IPv6> is built into the Linux kernel (excluding the
loongson-2f flavour). To disable IPv6, add the kernel command line
option ipv6.disable=1 to your bootloader.
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4174 [22:37:05] <greycat> Did you do that?
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4177 [22:37:50] <greycat> If you did it should show up in
"cat /proc/cmdline"
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4184 [22:40:14] <capsloth> ok.. someone edited
/etc/sysctl.d/20-network.conf
4185 [22:40:28] <capsloth> net.ipv6.conf.lo.disable_ipv6 = 1
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4187 [22:40:39] <capsloth> greycat, thanks!
4188 [22:40:47] <greycat> that's not a file I have, so the
whole thing was added.
4189 [22:40:53] <urand0m> teraflops, still reading the man page
for systemctl, when they refer unit or pattern ... what does that
define as?
4190 [22:41:00] <sypher> capsloth: Is this for a VPS?
4191 [22:41:05] <urand0m> refer to*
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4194 [22:41:35] <capsloth> yes
4195 [22:41:39] <capsloth> sypher, yes
4196 [22:41:50] <capsloth> sypher, is it some security measure?
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4199 [22:42:27] <sypher> capsloth: No, some VPS providers are
idiots. I figured that was the case.
4200 [22:42:49] <capsloth> sypher, hahaha.. ok
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4202 [22:45:11] <urand0m> is there a pretend option for apt-get ..
say i want to see what would happen if i apt-get remove packagename
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4204 [22:45:49] <greycat> -s, --simulate, --just-print, --dry-run,
--recon, --no-act
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4207 [22:46:25] <riceandbeans> so I got banned from #ubuntu
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4209 [22:46:34] <riceandbeans> I told them this:
4210 [22:46:37] <urand0m> greycat, what does --just-print do?
4211 [22:46:39] <riceandbeans> I've learned over time, if you
have an ubuntu question, don't ask here, ask in #debian and
don't mention you're running ubuntu, 99% of the time
they'll know and answer you and know what they're talking
about
4212 [22:46:40] <greycat> urand0m: man apt-get
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4214 [22:46:54] <greycat> riceandbeans: you are not a good person.
4215 [22:46:57] <riceandbeans> lol
4216 [22:47:21] <riceandbeans> sorry, but #ubuntu is more of an
embarassment to ubuntu than the distro itself is
4217 [22:47:41] <TomTomTosch> this is not the place for rants.
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4220 [22:47:55] <urand0m> greycat, okay, let me finish reading the
manpage for systemctl first though or ill forget
4221 [22:48:11] <riceandbeans> in other news, if you were host a
mirror, where would the traditional filepath be for the hosting?
4222 [22:48:20] <riceandbeans> I'm using aptly and hosting
from /root/.aptly/publicc
4223 [22:48:35] <riceandbeans> that's not what I'd like
to do ultimately, but I don't know what's traditional
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4237 [22:54:22] <Zliba> i just recompiled my kernel for UFS write
support but upon mount, it says RO filesystem
4238 [22:54:32] <Kobaz> was the cd finalized?
4239 [22:54:58] <Kobaz> oh ufs right
4240 [22:55:03] <Kobaz> thats the unixy filesystem
4241 [22:55:06] <Kobaz> not the cd writer fs
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4245 [22:55:44] <Kobaz>
replaced-url
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4252 [22:58:46] <Zliba> already followed that ; kernel is compiled
properly
4253 [22:59:33] <Kobaz> do you have proc config compiled in
4254 [22:59:43] <Kobaz> zcat /proc/config.gz | grep UFS
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4256 [23:00:27] <greycat> if the kernel was compiled The Debian
Way there should be an UNcompressed config file with the
kernel's version in the filename
4257 [23:00:44] <urand0m> greycat, still reading the manpage for
systemctl ... i just learned from my reading that you can start and
stop services using systemctl, would systemctl stop sshd be the same
as /etc/init.d/sshd stop?
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4259 [23:01:04] <greycat> urand0m: Yes. For now, both ways may
work, because we're still in transition.
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4263 [23:01:47] <greycat> Maybe.
4264 [23:02:14] * urand0m continues reading
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4266 [23:02:50] <Zliba> Kobaz, proc config?
4267 [23:03:01] <greycat> ... maybe not. Reading /etc/init.d/ssh I
don't see anything that ties it to systemd.
4268 [23:03:08] <Kobaz> yes, proc
4269 [23:03:27] <Kobaz> a copy of all the configured options for
the *current* running kernel (not the one you think is running)
4270 [23:04:00] <Zliba> Kobaz, what's the precise kernel
flag?
4271 [23:04:04] <Zliba> of this proc
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4274 [23:04:58] <Kobaz> gotta find it
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4278 [23:05:43] <Kobaz> kernel .config support
4279 [23:05:44] <Zliba> i didn't change defaults other than
CONFIG_UFS_FS_WRITE=y
4280 [23:05:48] <Kobaz> CONFIG_IKCONFIG
4281 [23:05:54] <Kobaz> i always build that in
4282 [23:06:02] <Kobaz> i have no clue why distros don't do
that by default
4283 [23:06:13] <Zliba> not set
4284 [23:06:19] <Kobaz> highly useful
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4287 [23:07:56] <urand0m> greycat, how do i see a log of my last
boot?
4288 [23:08:20] <greycat> You mean the current boot? journalctl.
AND STOP PESTERING ME BY NAME DAMN IT.
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4290 [23:08:27] <greycat> There's a whole channel/
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4292 [23:08:50] <Zliba> Kobaz, that won't solve my problem
though. UFS write support is definately compiled in or it would
throw me an error when I try to mount -o rw
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4294 [23:09:13] <Zliba> greycat, halp
4295 [23:09:18] * Zliba lols
4296 [23:09:31] <urand0m> i want to see everything that gets
loaded when i boot into linux
4297 [23:09:47] <Zliba> urand0m, turn off quiet booting you mean?
4298 [23:09:49] * greycat wonders what "loaded" means exactly
4299 [23:10:05] <greycat> Did journalctl (as root, not as user)
not give you enough info?
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4301 [23:10:25] <urand0m> Zliba, no, i have --quiet-splash
disabled, i want to see it in a log somewhere so that i can have as
much time as i need to look through it
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4307 [23:11:59] <urand0m> journalctl gives me tons of info
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4346 [23:16:41] <urand0m> my computer takes a few minutes to boot
and load everything after logging in. can someone teach me how to
figure out what i need and what i dont and what i can do to speed
this thing up? i have plenty of resources , it shouldnt be this slow
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4352 [23:17:56] <rhizome> urand0m: buy an SSD
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4356 [23:18:20] <urand0m> rhizome, its not just that, there is a
bunch of stuff running that doesn't need to be running
4357 [23:18:41] <sypher> urand0m: Such as?
4358 [23:19:20] <rhizome> chmod -x
/etc/init.d/{daemon1,daemon2,daemon3}
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4360 [23:19:43] <urand0m> sypher, well i havent had internet in 3
years, so when i installed linux i installed a bunch of packages so
that id have software because i didin't know what id need or
not need and i only had a little bit of time. i installed multple
display managers and desktop environments, gnome for example comes
with many programs and tools
4361 [23:19:44] <rhizome> probably something in defaults for that
4362 [23:19:49] <urand0m> im running xfce at the moment
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4364 [23:20:03] <urand0m> i think debian desktop environment is on
here, xfce4, gnome, gdm3
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4366 [23:20:09] <rhizome> window managers you're not using do
not get run
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4370 [23:20:35] <urand0m> rhizome, what about the tools that come
with gnome?
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4372 [23:20:56] <rhizome> tools? like mahjongg?
4373 [23:20:59] <`Kevin> urand0m: if you are on jessie you need to
work through this list of enabled, systemctl list-unit-files
4374 [23:21:13] <rhizome> there it is
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4380 [23:23:00] <urand0m> `Kevin, i read the manpage for systemctl
and systemd but i do not really know what i am doing
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4383 [23:23:51] <`Kevin> fairly straight forward, look for enabled
things in that list, look them up if you are unsure what they are
then you can use systemctl disable {servicename}
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4385 [23:24:24] <`Kevin> i would work through that list and also
check output from top + ps aux --sort rss (see what is using the
most ram that can be disabled) etc
4386 [23:25:31] <Zliba> i think UFS write kernel flag is broken in
3.16.0
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4388 [23:25:41] <miss0r> I am quite puzzled here. I have a few VMs
running on a quite unstable mix of two versions of debian. but that
is beside the point(I hope). A few days ago we had a blackout, which
caused the server to reboot. Now three of the VMs are unreachable by
network. I can still access them with virsh. When running an arp-e
on the host, I get some "incomplete" entries, on thoes
exact machines. I have searched wide and far
4389 [23:25:41] <miss0r> for a solution, and I am stumped now. Can
you guys suggest what might be wrong?
4390 [23:25:58] <urand0m> `Kevin, here is the output of
systemd-analyze blame and pstree
replaced-url
4391 [23:27:00] <urand0m> `Kevin, i know i don't have a dsl /
dial up modem so i don't need modem.manager service enabled
right?
4392 [23:27:01] <miss0r> important info: Qemu+kvm, runnig NAT
network
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4395 [23:27:44] <`Kevin> urand0m: i mentioned the use of ps to
find heavy processes as that will make a major different, modem
manager is very low hanging fruit that isn't going to make a
noticeable change
4396 [23:27:52] <`Kevin> difference/
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4407 [23:29:29] <multilingual> is there a way to configure firefox
in order to play youtube videos at NO higher than 360p even if they
are available at higher resolutions?
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4409 [23:29:52] <urand0m> `Kevin, i must have overlooked it, how
do i use ps to see which services or processes use the most
resources?
4410 [23:30:21] <`Kevin> urand0m: just a quick glance i think you
need to look into your desktop environment configuration, im seeing
gnome, kde, xfce4 pieces in pstree
4411 [23:31:11] <urand0m> `Kevin, yes .. i want to get rid of it
all, i just want to keep xfce4 . i think thats part of whats taking
so long to boot and to load everything when loggin in
4412 [23:31:15] <urand0m> how do i get rid of it all?
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4415 [23:33:12] <Kobaz> Zliba: why a .0?
4416 [23:33:20] <Kobaz> Zliba: there's plenty of updates
since then
4417 [23:33:21] <urand0m> i also want to switch to something other
than gdm3, i like xdm but xdm doesn't let me choose which
desktop environment i want to use
4418 [23:33:33] <urand0m> xdm loads faster than gdm3 i think
4419 [23:33:38] <urand0m> i want something that loads fast
4420 [23:34:04] <TomTomTosch> then try lightDM
4421 [23:34:23] <urand0m> `Kevin, can you help me get rid of all
of the kde and gnome crap with out breaking anything?
4422 [23:34:30] <urand0m> TomTomTosch, okay i will check it out
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4424 [23:35:44] <rhizome> urand0m: you'll have to go through
dpkg -l | grep kde/gnome
4425 [23:36:06] <`Kevin> ^ we cannot determine what you need /
do-not need
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4427 [23:36:14] <Zliba> Kobaz, ok 3.16.7
4428 [23:36:45] <`Kevin> urand0m: how much ram do you have?
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4435 [23:37:42] <urand0m> `Kevin, 4gb, im not sure if its ddr2 or
ddr3 though. how do i tell if its ddr2 or ddr3?
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4437 [23:38:28] <rhizome> urand0m: you should be able to get a
good first cut on what getting rid of kde/gnome would do by checking
dependencies on kdelibs and libgnome
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4443 [23:39:48] <urand0m> rhizome, heres the output of grepping
kde in dpkg -l can i safely remove all of these packages?
replaced-url
4444 [23:39:51] <`Kevin> post the output of ` free -g; ps aux
--sort=rss `
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4451 [23:43:12] <rhizome> urand0m: apt-cache rdepends
<pkgname>
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4454 [23:44:26] <urand0m> `Kevin,
replaced-url
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4456 [23:44:59] <urand0m> rhizome, and that checks the
dependencies of the package im curious about removing right?
4457 [23:46:12] <`Kevin> id guess that some slowness has todo with
tracker thou im not sure exactly what it does
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4460 [23:46:50] <urand0m> `Kevin, how do i figure out what package
the tracker is a part of so that i can get rid of it?
4461 [23:47:23] <`Kevin> guessing its gnome. use the command
rhizome gave above
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4468 [23:50:10] <flicflac> m.youjizz.net
4469 [23:50:15] <`Kevin> yea its an indexer/db so it could
scanning your disk on startup or something ? not sure i havent used
it but if you do not use gnome search features to find files and
such i would disable it as a first pass
4470 [23:50:18] <flicflac> schoolproxy.org
4471 [23:50:19] <`Kevin> flicflac: wonderful
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4474 [23:51:52] <urand0m> `Kevin, i just ran the command
trackerpreferences it is indeed indexing some stuff
4475 [23:52:01] <urand0m> looks like an invasion of privacy maybe
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4479 [23:52:41] <urand0m> `Kevin, its not needed right?
4480 [23:53:13] <`Kevin> i dont know ive never used it, look at
the dependancies based on the command rhizome provided and see if
you use any of that
4481 [23:53:25] <`Kevin> it depends on how you use your desktop
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4484 [23:54:18] <`Kevin> disable it, restart window manager, if
you drop to a terminal re-enable it..
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4486 [23:54:44] <urand0m> wow that kde crap installed an mysql
server on here
4487 [23:54:50] <urand0m> uninstalling it now
4488 [23:55:27] <mtn> urand0m: sure hope you have good backups
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4491 [23:56:19] <urand0m> mtn, ive got another laptop that works
if i break something
4492 [23:56:51] <mtn> urand0m: good. with what you are doing, it
is likely you will be doing a reinstall soon :P
4493 [23:57:10] <urand0m> mtn, i cant do a reinstall, i only get
5gb of data per month
4494 [23:57:34] <urand0m> the data nazis killed my internet, i
havent had internet in almost 4 years
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4496 [23:57:37] <urand0m> i live in the country
4497 [23:57:44] <mtn> urand0m: in the future, if you want a
minimal install, just install debian without the desktop option,
then install only what you want after the main install is finished
4498 [23:58:14] <mtn> urand0m: and how did you install all of
those desktops, etc. without internet?
4499 [23:58:27] <`Kevin> ^
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4502 [23:59:12] <urand0m> mtn, i was at a friends with brief wifi,
i didn't knwo the names of all of the packages i needed but i
knew that all of the desktop environements cames packaged with a
bunch of different software. i didn't have much time so i tried
to grab as much software as i could
4503 [23:59:45] <`Kevin> that explains it :)
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