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• 10[00:10:03] <ratrace> HotBeefD_: where did that init script come from? debian packages never install into /usr/local . Redis already comes with a service unit.
• 11[00:10:26] <HotBeefD_> ratrace sorry, I just figured out how to fix it...thanks for the help
• 12[00:10:53] <HotBeefD_> ratrace it came from the official Redis documentationreplaced-url
• 13[00:10:59] <HotBeefD_> replaced-url
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• 15[00:12:05] <ratrace> HotBeefD_: you shouldn't follow such guides blindly. on debian all you need is apt install redis-server and it's up and running.
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• 19[00:14:36] <HotBeefD_> ratrace I got confused by the fact that the guide has sections for "Installing Redis" and "Installing Redis more properly"...I assumed that Debian's package manager completed the steps for "installing Redis" but wasn't sure whether the steps for "Installing Redis more properly" were also completed by the package manager or not
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• 21[00:15:33] <phogg> if you generally assume that Debian packaging helps you and does the most sensible thing possible you'll usually be right
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• 23[00:15:52] <phogg> not all distributions are committed to being so friendly, which is weird and tragic
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• 25[00:16:50] <annadane> i *started* on debian. only later did i find out about the weird decisions ubuntu/mint/manjaro make
• 26[00:17:08] <annadane> all hail the swirl
• 27[00:17:17] <ratrace> HotBeefD_: technically neither. the package manager doesn't download the tarball, it already contains it along with debian metadata and other things.
• 28[00:18:06] <ratrace> HotBeefD_: also what phogg said. on debian, in general, programs are installed with sensible defaults and services autostarted, so in most cases you literally just need an apt install, followed by optional reconfiguration of the service and a service restart.
• 29[00:18:28] <ratrace> *optionally followed by
• 30[00:18:37] <HotBeefD_> now ya'll got me wondering if I should go back and undo all the changes I made just now
• 31[00:19:05] <ratrace> HotBeefD_: well you don't need that weird init script, that's one, the debian package installs a systemd service unit.
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• 36[00:21:04] <ratrace> what's _really_ weird is that apparently official redis documentation is recommending that weird, tarball installation method FOR Debian or Ubuntu. As if it was written by someone who never saw a Debian, or Ubuntu, let alone used it, even less used redis on it.
• 37[00:22:48] <HotBeefD_> so...when I see this line: "The following instructions can be used to perform a proper installation using the init script shipped with Redis 2.4 in a Debian or Ubuntu based distribution."...is that to say that the init script the instructions had me generate was already included in both Debian and Ubuntu?
• 38[00:23:23] <HotBeefD_> meaning, I just did something that was completely un-necessary and just created a new init script that's like the one they shipped with the distro?
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• 40[00:24:06] <ratrace> HotBeefD_: on Debian the package already installs a systemd unit, and an init script
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• 48[00:26:43] <HotBeefD_> ratrace can I ask a small favor...can you look at the section of this page replaced-url
• 49[00:26:59] <HotBeefD_> it's about 5 bullet points
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• 57[00:31:41] <ratrace> HotBeefD_: it's already configured properly. you shouldn't alter pidfile, logfile or dir without also altering the service unit security/constraint option
• 58[00:31:44] <ratrace> options*
• 59[00:32:35] <HotBeefD_> hmm...I think I have a backup of the box that predates me screwing around with those settings...I may just roll the whole thing back
• 60[00:32:39] <HotBeefD_> ratrace thanks for that
• 61[00:33:37] <ratrace> HotBeefD_: you can apt purge redis-server then remove /etc/redis.conf if it's still there, and reinstall apt install redis-server
• 62[00:34:20] <ratrace> /etc/redis/redis.conf I mean
• 63[00:34:25] <HotBeefD_> ratrace that sounds a bit less of a hassle...thanks!
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• 68[00:39:15] <HotBeefD_> ratrace should I do a purge for redis as well? that's how I got redis-server in the first place...redis-server was installed as a dependency of redis
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• 71[00:42:00] <b1ack0p> hi
• 72[00:42:07] <b1ack0p> i cannot change keyboard layout on xfce
• 73[00:42:10] <b1ack0p> how can i do?
• 74[00:42:12] <b1ack0p> debian10
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• 77[00:43:13] <ratrace> HotBeefD_: "redis" is just a metapackage that pulls in redis-server, nothing else
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• 79[00:44:20] <HotBeefD_> ratrace I see, thanks again for all the help
• 80[00:44:34] <ratrace> no bother.
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• 112[00:58:30] <HotBeefD_> ratrace Created symlink /etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/redis-server.service → /lib/systemd/system/redis-server.service. Job for redis-server.service failed because a timeout was exceeded.... this happened when I reinstalled redis-server...should I be concerned?
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• 116[00:59:28] <HotBeefD_> I just pinged the server from the command line and got a response...so, it appears to be up and running...
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• 162[01:40:05] <brutser> iptables-persistent is not working fine on debian 10 with me, basically i want the most basic rules like here: replaced-url
• 163[01:40:36] <brutser> i dont really want to install ufw or firewalld, can i get this done on debian 10 with just simple iptables?
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• 165[01:40:42] <brutser> or what is the debian 10 way to do this?
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• 171[01:44:25] <Gt48> here aio yol
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• 173[01:44:40] <Gt48> think about grub openbsd highlihts (exe)
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• 176[01:45:28] <Gt48> maybe with gdb extra
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• 196[01:56:32] <brutser> someone here can explain me simple how to use nftables (i am used to iptables-persistent) to get a few simple rules in place?
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• 201[01:57:32] <Gt48> try iptables fronend program ruls
• 202[01:57:51] <brutser> Gt48 frontend like ufw?
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• 234[02:08:54] <noqnio1> Hi, I'm trying to install primus on bullseye, using nvidia drivers & glvnd
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• 336[03:45:44] <john445_> I cant see text
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• 353[03:54:00] <Randolf> Is there a reason why the "vnstat" project is on version 1.8 when 2.7 is current? I'm curious because I use vnstat, but the data retention time is hardcoded to 30 days in all versions before 2.0. Thanks.
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• 356[03:55:35] <themill> ,v vnstat
• 357[03:55:36] <judd> Package: vnstat on amd64 -- jessie: 1.12-2; stretch: 1.15-2; buster: 1.18-2; bullseye: 2.6-1; sid: 2.6-1
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• 361[03:56:42] <Randolf> themill: I just installed Debian 10.3.0. I'm not clear if that's Buster or something different.
• 362[03:56:52] <themill> that is buster
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• 364[03:57:13] <Randolf> Okay.
• 365[03:57:48] <Randolf> I guess "bullseye" and "sid" are beta and alpha versions at this point?
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• 367[03:58:14] <themill> no
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• 369[03:58:48] <Randolf> ,bullseye
• 370[03:58:57] <Randolf> ,?
• 371[03:59:04] <Randolf> Hmm.
• 372[03:59:12] <themill> replaced-url
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• 378[04:00:19] <Randolf> It shows as "testing" (for "bullseye"). I thought that's what beta would be, but I guess Debian doesn't do things this way. Thanks!
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• 468[05:02:16] <SPARC-Corgi> anyone here running debian on SPARC?
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• 471[05:05:43] <themill> very very unlikely
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• 475[05:09:46] <annadane> no, but i think corgis are cute
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• 524[05:57:27] <Randolf> I have a Debian system with Xfce on it. How can I control it remotely with SPICE? I tried installing xserver-xspice, but don't see any configuration settings anywhere. Thanks.
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• 657[07:47:19] <SPARC-Corgi> i can't get debian SPARC to boot and i thought my system just didn't work with grub for some reason because i tried gentoo too and somethings just not working right?
• 658[07:47:31] <SPARC-Corgi> but i just booted into Oracle Linux for SPARC
• 659[07:47:54] <SPARC-Corgi> too bad it's old :/ maybe i can make that OS work better with pkgsrc. ANd it does use upstart which is nice i guess
• 660[07:48:10] <SPARC-Corgi> would still love help getting it running on my T4-1
• 661[07:48:45] <SPARC-Corgi> it's got something to do with me running it off of hardware raid i bet. Later I'll try redoing everything with zfs
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• 671[07:56:05] <SPARC-Corgi> HA! It does it with oracle linux too
• 672[07:56:11] <SPARC-Corgi> it just doesn't boot GRUB
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• 759[09:26:07] <netcrash> Hello dear all!!! I have this issue with nfs connecting to a nfs server centos 8 using krb5 nfs_init_server_rpcclient: couldn't create rpc client . Any sugestions?
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• 789[09:51:33] <RoyK> hi all. slightly offtopic, but does anyone here have a suggestion for a good email+webmail+something solution like zimbra? I'm using zimbra now, but I want to move to something more open and broader supported.
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• 802[10:02:21] <asymptotically> RoyK: you could do postfix+dovecot for email and roundcube for a webclient
• 803[10:02:33] <ratrace> RoyK: DIY with Postfix (+ components) + Dovecot + Roundcube
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• 839[10:39:17] <PsychoTron> how about I change my nick to dungbeetle and /me eats shit
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• 875[11:10:38] <netcrash> rpc.gssd[822]: ERROR: No credentials found for connection to server storage.a1.net106.local.1.168.192.in-addr.arpa any sugestion on what can be the issue?
• 876[11:10:47] <netcrash> is my dns settings correct ?º
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• 878[11:12:18] <netcrash> found the issue
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• 880[11:13:22] <NetTerminalGene> does xfce autoload software center at boot like gnome?
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• 906[11:31:19] <kreyren> What is the proper way of implementing apt on non-root on debian?
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• 908[11:31:27] <kreyren> (on a production system)
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• 917[11:35:33] <ratrace> kreyren: what do you mean?
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• 921[11:36:04] <kreyren> ratrace, i have debian running in a docker without root where i am expecting to have the ability to use apt
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• 925[11:36:30] <ratrace> kreyren: ain't gonna work
• 926[11:36:35] <kreyren> where i can change the dockerfile as root
• 927[11:36:39] <kreyren> ratrace, why not?
• 928[11:36:53] <kreyren> afaik there is at least `pkg` wrapper for dpkg to use rootless mode
• 929[11:37:01] <ratrace> also, you're using it wrong. docker is for single process containment. if you're using it as a VM where you tty or ssh into, run apt etc... you're doing it wrong.
• 930[11:37:29] <kreyren> it's being used on Gitpod which is Online IDE
• 931[11:37:45] <kreyren> VM is in work atm, but for now i have to manage with docker
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• 934[11:38:56] <ratrace> dpkg can be used rootles yes, there's also fakeroot for building and development, but apt is not meant to do that.
• 935[11:38:56] <dpkg> ratrace: I think you lost me on that one
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• 937[11:39:01] <ratrace> dpkg: stfu
• 938[11:39:01] <dpkg> rumour has it, stfu is Shut The Fuck Up
• 939[11:39:07] <ratrace> o.O
• 940[11:39:17] <kreyren> lol
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• 942[11:39:37] <kreyren> ratrace, can you elaborate on the implementation ?
• 943[11:39:53] <kreyren> ideally i want apt for non-root that installs apps in $HOME
• 944[11:39:54] <ratrace> what implementation
• 945[11:40:18] <kreyren> for dpkg to install packages this way? -> sane to use pkg wrapper?
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• 948[11:40:43] <ratrace> kreyren: dpkg has --root=dir option
• 949[11:41:36] <kreyren> and pkg seems to be using a separate directory for this O.o
• 950[11:41:52] <kreyren> where is the source for pkg anyone? i'm reading this from phone like a pleb >.>
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• 952[11:44:03] <kreyren> *anyway
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• 1015[12:28:19] <rastersoft> Hi all
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• 1018[12:29:21] <rastersoft> I can't compile some programs under Buster because CMake can't find "readline", although I have the -dev package installed. I can't find a "readline.pc" file in the system
• 1019[12:29:28] <rastersoft> but in SID there is a "readline.pc" file
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• 1022[12:29:46] <rastersoft> Is it a bug, or do I have to install another package?
• 1023[12:30:09] <abrotman> which -dev did you install?
• 1024[12:31:16] <abrotman> rastersoft: ?
• 1025[12:31:16] <rastersoft> I tried with libreadline-dev
• 1026[12:31:39] <rastersoft> and libreadline-gplv2-dev
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• 1030[12:32:33] <abrotman> you can try using apt-file to find it, but I don't see it
• 1031[12:32:49] <JackFrost> Amusingly just saw #953215 roll across recently.
• 1032[12:32:50] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 1033[12:32:59] <abrotman> there you go
• 1034[12:33:17] <rastersoft> Yes, that's the one I filled before deciding to ask here :-D
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• 1036[12:33:22] <abrotman> oh
• 1037[12:33:23] <rastersoft> (just in case)
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• 1039[12:33:46] <JackFrost> So I don't win a cookie.
• 1040[12:34:29] <rastersoft> Au contraire: you did it right :-)
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• 1043[12:34:51] <rastersoft> but the result wasn't the expected :-)
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• 1057[12:39:06] <rastersoft> The funny thing is that stretch did have it, because I was able to compile the same program.
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• 1064[12:43:53] <rebag> hey there. On stretch I need to disable ipv6. I tried everything i could (grub and sysctl) but nothing worked. Any help please ?
• 1065[12:44:24] <abrotman> disable why?
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• 1067[12:44:56] <abrotman> rastersoft: can you just borrow a .pc file from sid?
• 1068[12:45:25] <rastersoft> abrotman I'll try...
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• 1072[12:48:34] <rastersoft> abrotman Yes, it does work
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• 1137[13:28:55] <f8e3> after sudo mount i get permission denied on the /tmp/foo folder, how to change that right at mount-time not via sudo chown later ?
• 1138[13:35:48] <abrotman> after mounting /tmp/ ?
• 1139[13:37:11] <f8e3> mkdir /tmp/foo && sudo mount -t ramfs -o size=1M ramfs /tmp/foo ?
• 1140[13:37:21] <ratrace> I'm guessing /tmp is not modded 777 as it should be. if that's a persistent mount, chmod it after first mount. if its tmpfs, set it in fstab options
• 1141[13:37:48] <abrotman> 1777 ?
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• 1143[13:38:10] <abrotman> f8e3: who is trying to use the /tmp/foo after mounting?
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• 1146[13:38:39] <f8e3> only the user, very simple, he creates he mounts sudo he uses, he umounts
• 1147[13:38:43] <f8e3> and vanish it
• 1148[13:39:22] <ratrace> f8e3: mount -o mode=0777 ...
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• 1155[13:42:04] <abrotman> there are also some user options
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• 1157[13:44:11] <f8e3> i think its good, need read up more
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• 1180[14:02:04] <NetTerminalGene> guys, does xfce without compositor causes youtube videos tearing on firefox-esr?
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• 1189[14:07:43] <b1ack0p> hi
• 1190[14:07:56] <b1ack0p> i asked in #xfce but may i ask here too?
• 1191[14:08:22] <joepublic> dpkg, tell b1ack0p about ask
• 1192[14:08:36] <b1ack0p> ok
• 1193[14:08:40] <joepublic> :)
• 1194[14:08:43] <b1ack0p> i cant change keyboard layout
• 1195[14:08:45] <b1ack0p> :p
• 1196[14:08:51] <b1ack0p> running deb10 xfce
• 1197[14:09:03] <joepublic> from what layout to what layout? just for graphical environment or do you need diff. layout for text consoles too?
• 1198[14:09:04] <b1ack0p> even i change layout it still keeps system layout
• 1199[14:09:16] <b1ack0p> uk english to turkish layout
• 1200[14:09:36] <b1ack0p> i changed in settings > keyboard but it still recognizes uk english
• 1201[14:10:10] <joepublic> what I did was add the "keyboard layouts" to panel, then add my second layout, I can change layouts by clicking the keyboard layout button (looks like a flag)
• 1202[14:10:45] <b1ack0p> joepublic: it didnt change for me
• 1203[14:10:50] <b1ack0p> even i added 2nd layout
• 1204[14:10:54] <b1ack0p> something is weird on xfce
• 1205[14:11:01] <joepublic> it seems to change per application
• 1206[14:11:10] <b1ack0p> which ones?
• 1207[14:11:40] <joepublic> it changes the layout for whatever window has focus
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• 1209[14:11:59] <b1ack0p> is there somewhere else setting to change?
• 1210[14:12:06] <b1ack0p> apparently settings > keyboard doesnt work
• 1211[14:12:54] <joepublic> settings -> keyboard -> layout tab is where I added my second layout, then I change layout by clicking the flag on the panel
• 1212[14:13:13] <b1ack0p> joepublic: it doesnt work for me :/
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• 1214[14:13:35] <b1ack0p> somehow it keeps the setting i did while installing debian first time
• 1215[14:13:47] <joepublic> what happens when you mouse over the flag? after you click the flag does the mouseover text change?
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• 1219[14:17:45] <NetTerminalGene> blackbart, did you set tr layout when installing debian?
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• 1222[14:18:55] <NetTerminalGene> black0p i mean
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• 1225[14:21:20] <NetTerminalGene> black0p please tell me if you chose tr layout when installing debian. i am considering installing xfce. but this issue would be game changer here
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• 1227[14:21:35] <NetTerminalGene> i am also from turkey
• 1228[14:23:11] <joepublic> turkısh layout works fıne for me here NetTerminalGene usıng steps ı mentıoned above
• 1229[14:23:25] <b1ack0p> joepublic: when i click to change it doesnt change layout
• 1230[14:23:44] <b1ack0p> now i removed uk english just turkish layout remaining but still it doesnt change to turkish
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• 1232[14:23:55] <NetTerminalGene> joepublic, but i am gonna do FDE, so it has to choose it at boot
• 1233[14:24:06] <b1ack0p> what i mean is i think default uk english layout is stuck in somwhere in settings
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• 1235[14:24:30] <NetTerminalGene> black0p have you chosen tr layout when installing?
• 1236[14:24:35] <joepublic> We have come to the end of my knowledge on this problem, unfortunately, and sorry I was not able to help.
• 1237[14:24:44] <PsychoTron> can I put my own youtubelink?
• 1238[14:24:45] <b1ack0p> NetTerminalGene: no i chosen uk
• 1239[14:24:53] <NetTerminalGene> ah. ok
• 1240[14:25:02] <AlexK> Всем привет
• 1241[14:25:02] <b1ack0p> joepublic: thanks anyway np
• 1242[14:25:28] <NetTerminalGene> so, i think it will be fine when choosing at installing stage
• 1243[14:25:31] <PsychoTron> replaced-url
• 1244[14:25:43] <b1ack0p> NetTerminalGene: i installed months ago with uk english
• 1245[14:25:54] <joepublic> vsdrastwici, Alexk.
• 1246[14:25:55] <b1ack0p> now i changed machine with same hdd
• 1247[14:25:59] <PsychoTron> crayfish flying in the water
• 1248[14:26:06] <b1ack0p> it should be easy to change layout
• 1249[14:26:13] <NetTerminalGene> black0p does it play youtube videos without tearing?
• 1250[14:26:26] <b1ack0p> NetTerminalGene: yes no problem at all just keyboard is not correct
• 1251[14:26:32] <b1ack0p> this machine has turkish keyboard
• 1252[14:26:38] <b1ack0p> other one had uk english
• 1253[14:26:39] <NetTerminalGene> i see. thanks
• 1254[14:27:07] <AlexK> Подскажите может кто помочь с настройкой VPN servera? Не могу подключиться к серверу
• 1255[14:28:21] <joepublic> AlexK, I did not mean to imply that I could do anything useful with russian, sorry. Hope someone can help you connect to your VPN though.
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• 1257[14:29:53] <AlexK> joepublic> thanks yuo
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• 1277[14:47:55] <brutser> on debian 10, i want to install pfsense on kvm as a sysnet vm, so basically i want that vm to function as router/firewall for all other vm's - i am trying to find a good guide or just help on how to do this the right way - anyone here that has done something similar?
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• 1279[14:48:44] <_Fremen_> Hello everyone
• 1280[14:50:28] <_Fremen_> I seem to be having problems with second monitor, my new laptop does not see it. When I use "xrandr -q" I dont see a second screen, does that mean my cable or adapter is broken?
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• 1285[14:52:51] <joepublic> if you only see the internal interface (sometimes LVDS), then something is broken or turned off, yeah
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• 1291[14:55:50] <_Fremen_> joepublic, which tutorial I should follow? it seems KDE have problems with it and many people are suffering from it. Should I write a script to remember every screen configuration for different devices I use? like projectors, different screens at different places?
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• 1293[14:56:30] <joepublic> I have a script to remember my configurations, yeah. `arandr` will save a script of the current monitor configuration.
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• 1316[15:10:14] <HelloShitty> Hello. When there is some github project that says in requirements that we need to install the following development tools and says zlib is one of them, what is the Debian package name I have to install? There is no package simply named zlib-dev, I guess.
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• 1323[15:12:33] <joepublic> ,v zlib1g-dev
• 1324[15:12:34] <judd> Package: zlib1g-dev on amd64 -- jessie: 1:1.2.8.dfsg-2+b1; jessie-security: 1:1.2.8.dfsg-2+deb8u1; stretch: 1:1.2.8.dfsg-5; buster: 1:1.2.11.dfsg-1; bullseye: 1:1.2.11.dfsg-2; sid: 1:1.2.11.dfsg-2
• 1325[15:12:55] <joepublic> that's my guess, to be taken with a grain of salt
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• 1330[15:14:36] <ratrace> yes I install zlib1g-dev when I need dev packages for zlib
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• 1342[15:17:23] <codydh> Hello! Making an effort to re-linux my life. I have a Late 2013 MacBook Pro 15" that I installed Debian 10.3 on. I have everything working properly, but the system is kind of "stuttery," feeling like it intermittently slows way down, despite me doing almost nothing on it. Are there any laptop optimizations or anything I can do to improve this?
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• 1349[15:20:59] <kreyren> How can i invoke `apt update` on rootless and pull the build instructions to a custom directory?
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• 1354[15:21:49] <HelloShitty> ok, thank you joepublic
• 1355[15:21:57] <HelloShitty> but still you had to know the name
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• 1372[15:34:17] <Edmyr> Hello everyone
• 1373[15:34:44] <joepublic> Hello back from everyone.
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• 1375[15:35:04] <joepublic> HelloShitty, I did apt-cache search zlib |grep ^zlib
• 1376[15:35:13] <Edmyr> Just installed Debian a few days now
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• 1379[15:35:20] <Edmyr> That the most frustrating thing ever
• 1380[15:35:26] <Edmyr> But after a week using it
• 1381[15:35:31] <Edmyr> It's really awesome
• 1382[15:35:46] <joepublic> Glad you are enjoying it.
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• 1385[15:35:56] <HelloShitty> ^zlib means 'starting with zlib' ?
• 1386[15:36:09] <Edmyr> I'm still having troubles with permissions
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• 1398[15:40:45] <joepublic> yes.
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• 1401[15:41:05] <Edmyr> Anyone knows how to prevent Debian to go on screensaver when I'm watching something on Kodi ?
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• 1443[16:04:15] <ratrace> Edmyr: ideally Kodi should do it by sending a dbus message to suspend screensaver. Firefox does that, for example, when you're watching youtube or netflix. but you also need a DE that listens to those dbus messages, like gnome or kde, or maybe others.
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• 1445[16:05:59] <Edmyr> That's some new words I don't know nothing about XD
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• 1447[16:06:20] <glick_> hi
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• 1449[16:06:55] <glick_> question can I run a co.puter that can only do full HD on a 4k monitor?
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• 1451[16:07:04] <kreyren> How can i invoke `apt update` on rootless and pull the build instructions to a custom directory for dpkg to be able to download .deb ?
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• 1453[16:07:18] <kreyren> (expecting .deb to be able to install packages)
• 1454[16:07:23] <ratrace> Edmyr: on i3-wm I'm using xautolock which controls the i3lock. If I put the mouse in the predefined corner, it won't trigger the locker, and so I put the mouse there every time I watch something.
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• 1456[16:07:47] <Edmyr> ratrace, that's clever hehe
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• 1458[16:07:57] <glick_> I have a 3k by 2k monitor trying to connect it to an x230
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• 1539[16:55:25] <fibsifan> Hello, I've activated secureboot on my pc running debian 10 and it does boot up. I installed the packages listed on replaced-url
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• 1541[16:56:38] <sponix> fibsifan: you have missed that secure boot security is a myth, that it is just a pain in the ass, and normally its best just toggled OFF
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• 1556[17:15:27] <fibsifan> sponix: I wanted to get it to work out of interest. Might also be, that in some cases one is obligated to have it toggled ON (compliance or so).
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• 1562[17:17:13] <f8e3> does debian/thebios usually wipe the RAM reminisence when restarting?
• 1563[17:17:19] <sponix> fibsifan: I wish you the best of luck. I always just turn it off, because Secure Boot itself was one more poor attempt to make Windows safer
• 1564[17:18:01] <sponix> f8e3: the very nature of ram, it gets dumped when restarting
• 1565[17:19:05] <f8e3> sponix ram is flipflops, they might retain content since battery is still in, is there a mechanism (pysical effect even) to ensure when poweroff ram wiped
• 1566[17:19:34] <f8e3> or eg restart -> reinit on bioscheck -> wiped/clearing kind of thing?
• 1567[17:20:11] <veikko> fibsifan: replaced-url
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• 1570[17:20:51] <sponix> f8e3: seems you should remove your battery, power cable, and ram sticks -- between boots -- just to be sure :)
• 1571[17:21:16] <mtn> don't forget to rattle the chicken bones
• 1572[17:21:27] <veikko> replaced-url
• 1573[17:21:59] <veikko> secure boot is broken in hardware level
• 1574[17:22:03] <veikko> dont use it
• 1575[17:22:26] <veikko> it should be called dangerous boot
• 1576[17:22:53] <sponix> ON TV there was a claim you could freeze the ram modules by flipping over a can of compressed air and spraying them down. Then move them to another system, and pull data off of them -- IF it was on TV, its gotta be True - right ?
• 1577[17:22:56] <veikko> "Fully patching this attack vector will require replacing the CPU"
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• 1580[17:23:25] <sponix> veikko: thanks for the backup of pointing out that Secure Boot is worthless :)
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• 1591[17:28:37] <f8e3> mtn :D
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• 1593[17:30:27] <f8e3> veikko great talk on upcoming changes in the stack: open firmware/hw up the stack replaced-url
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• 1602[17:41:18] <veikko> replaced-url
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• 1609[17:49:22] <joze> unfixable!
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• 1613[17:49:51] <bacoder> hello
• 1614[17:50:09] <bacoder> when my computer hibernates, I can't use it again: I get a black screen
• 1615[17:50:39] <bacoder> the computer is working 100% fine, I even can hear sounds of music playing that was left playing before hibernation
• 1616[17:50:50] <bacoder> but NO F*CKING SCREEN
• 1617[17:50:59] <bacoder> can anyone help me out ?
• 1618[17:51:02] <bacoder> (Buster)
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• 1620[17:52:21] <ayekat> bacoder: can you switch TTYs?
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• 1622[17:53:00] <bacoder> I can do whatever you want me to
• 1623[17:53:02] <bacoder> what is that?
• 1624[17:53:24] <ayekat> bacoder: you can use Ctrl+Alt+F{1,2,3,4,5,6,7} to switch between TTYs 1-7
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• 1626[17:54:05] <bacoder> while I am in this weird state?
• 1627[17:54:24] <ayekat> well, the question is if you get a TTY login screen, or if it remains blank
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• 1630[17:55:09] <bacoder> If I do nothing it just stays black
• 1631[17:55:15] <bacoder> I can try it and tell you
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• 1634[17:55:40] <ayekat> sometimes it helps to switch to another TTY and back, to force the display server to... "reload" stuff in the graphics stack
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• 1637[17:56:38] <bacoder> yeah I will do pretty much anything at this point
• 1638[17:56:43] <bacoder> this is super annoying
• 1639[17:56:56] <bacoder> I have changed the os behaviour so that it doesn't hibernate when the lid is closed
• 1640[17:57:08] <bacoder> but given this is a laptop that is... kinda defeating its purpose
• 1641[17:57:18] <bacoder> also that doesn't help when I get out of battery
• 1642[17:57:34] <bacoder> I need to hard reset >_>
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• 1650[18:07:38] <b1ack0p> how can i check opengl version?
• 1651[18:09:22] <b1ack0p> i found it glxinfo | grep 'version'
• 1652[18:09:47] <b1ack0p> $ glxinfo | grep "OpenGL version"
• 1653[18:09:48] <b1ack0p> OpenGL version string: 3.0 Mesa 18.3.6
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• 1656[18:12:47] <fibsifan> sponix, veikko: thanks for the input, I guess i'll leave it then und postpone my personal interest until actually somebody wants me to get it running on the job
• 1657[18:13:37] <sponix> fibsifan: if they find a true functional need for it with Linux - I will be impressed :P
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• 1672[18:23:38] <bacoder> now it just worked
• 1673[18:23:43] <bacoder> but I have also changed to KDE
• 1674[18:23:52] <bacoder> WHAT A FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT GNOME SHIT FUCK
• 1675[18:24:02] <bacoder> I wonder would this be the reason?
• 1676[18:24:20] <bacoder> like... as I am talking to you unrelatedly I switched to gnome
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• 1679[18:26:09] <bacoder> how do I then switch back the lid to actually hibernate?
• 1680[18:26:30] <bacoder> because when I was in here I changed something someone suggested on that topic
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• 1684[18:27:44] <diogorsergio> Hey guys! When I installed debian I added a bunch of desktop enviroments so I could choose one from... how do I remove all the other ones now?
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• 1696[18:32:33] <cy3er> @diogorsergio what dextop env.
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• 1700[18:33:53] <diogorsergio> I ended up using gnome, so wanted to remove xfce, plasma, cinamon, mate, lxde?
• 1701[18:34:37] <diogorsergio> @cy3er is there an easy way to remove them?
• 1702[18:34:49] <sponix> diogorsergio: you should just do a fresh install :)
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• 1704[18:35:15] <ksk> chrchr. unfortunately, thats not too far from the best solution :X
• 1705[18:35:39] <diogorsergio> sponix: ahaha.. will that be easier? this is a fresh install. so not much to loose other than time
• 1706[18:35:56] <sponix> diogorsergio: Yes, it will be quicker and easier
• 1707[18:36:15] <ksk> you would need to remove to every xfce- plasma- etc -related package - which is not too easy as far as I know (like, getting list of package names to remove)
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• 1710[18:37:17] <cy3er> have to tried apt remove
• 1711[18:37:46] <diogorsergio> Thanks guys, I'll just do a fresh install then! :)
• 1712[18:37:51] <cy3er> great
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• 1727[18:46:17] <annadane> why does selecting kde plasma from lightdm drop me back into xfce? i installed kde via the kde-plasma-desktop package
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• 1756[19:08:28] <bacoder> I set HandleLidSwitch=hibernate in /etc/systemd/logind.conf but nothing happens when I close the lid, lol
• 1757[19:08:31] <bacoder> buster + kde
• 1758[19:09:24] <bacoder> HandleLidSwitch=hibernate
• 1759[19:09:25] <bacoder> #HandleLidSwitchDocked=ignore
• 1760[19:09:42] <bryceml> did you reboot since then?
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• 1763[19:10:15] <bacoder> yeah
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• 1766[19:11:25] <bryceml> weird
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• 1768[19:11:51] <bryceml> can you hibernate in general, like clicking hibernate in a menu
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• 1771[19:14:57] <bacoder> I just did that
• 1772[19:15:04] <bacoder> works without any issue on kde
• 1773[19:15:47] <bacoder> takes its sweet time but, when I close the lid WAIT and open it back
• 1774[19:16:03] <bacoder> its like its not even trying ffs
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• 1776[19:16:16] <bacoder> also, am I even connected to the irc at this point?
• 1777[19:16:30] <bryceml> yeah, you're still on
• 1778[19:16:51] <bacoder> also just received this on all terminals: replaced-url
• 1779[19:16:57] <bacoder> wtf is going on
• 1780[19:18:42] <bryceml> good luck, maybe a bios/efi firmware update might help
• 1781[19:19:35] <hwm4rgs> those messages are pretty funny
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• 1783[19:19:50] <bacoder> there is a KDE option that specifies what happens when a lid is closed
• 1784[19:20:00] <bacoder> I changed that from "turn off screen" to "hibernate"
• 1785[19:20:05] <bacoder> lets see if that is the trick
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• 1790[19:22:42] <bacoder> it worked
• 1791[19:22:55] <bacoder> so I have a few critics about this
• 1792[19:23:52] <bryceml> did it edit anything in /etc/systemd/logind.conf , or /run/systemd/ ?
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• 1795[19:24:00] <bacoder> 1 ) This is what I have about linux, there is a "way to do it" which everyone agrees that is to chane the settins in the systemd logind.conf file. But then for some fucking unknown reason higher level software is able to override it all and screw you over.
• 1796[19:24:48] <bacoder> 2) How do you guys call yourselves a support channel and you don't know the most basic crap about the distro you are shipping? This wasn't rocket science really was very basic behaviour of the distro you came up with.
• 1797[19:24:52] <bacoder> Unbelievable
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• 1799[19:25:22] <bacoder> some guy was even suggesting a bioes/efi firmware upgrade. LOL.
• 1800[19:26:14] <bacoder> Similar stuff like this has happened in the past for me in here, hence the rant.
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• 1802[19:26:18] <brutser> hi, i have problems copying text from host to guest in kvm, i installed spice-vdagent and qemu-guest-agent on the guest, but no result so far
• 1803[19:26:34] <brutser> the host is very minimal debian with openbox, perhaps i need something installed on the host also?
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• 1809[19:30:37] <nevivurn> bacoder: I mean, you need to take into account how poeple in here are 1) volunteers that 2) may not run KDE and 3) are not necessarily a maintainer and thus not involved in the process of shipping the distro. Glad to see your problem is fixed, though.
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• 1815[19:32:23] <joepublic> dpkg, asq bacoder
• 1816[19:32:24] <dpkg> Thank you for asking, $1. Your question will be considered in depth and the answers revealed at the appropriate time.
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• 1820[19:33:11] <bacoder> nevivurn: yeah but its like unbelievable that no one really can provide me answers to like really *basic* stuff. A few days ago something similar happened - I had a really basic question - no one could give me an answer, and then eventually I figured it out randomly by myself.
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• 1828[19:35:49] <joepublic> you might try over on oftc.
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• 1832[19:36:28] <nevivurn> bacoder: eh, at least you solved it, that's good! I think the largest difference between trying to provide support in here (and linux in general) is that the installs are significantly more diverse, so it's quite unlikely that another person is running in the same environment as you.
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• 1834[19:39:24] <bryceml> brutser: replaced-url
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• 1836[19:40:21] <brutser> bryceml: yea, the problem is on the guest spice-vdagent is not started upon boot, i tried systemctl enable spice-vdagent, that gave no error, but rebooted and it's not running...
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• 1838[19:40:32] <brutser> how can i troubleshoot this?
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• 1843[19:41:16] <bryceml> which distro/os is the guest?
• 1844[19:41:34] <brutser> debian 10 also
• 1845[19:41:59] <brutser> do i need install clipit?
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• 1847[19:42:09] <brutser> it's minimalistic install on both host and guest
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• 1850[19:42:50] <brutser> if i start spice-vdagent from console manually, all copy-paste is working
• 1851[19:43:02] <brutser> but i want it to run automatic on boot
• 1852[19:43:36] <bryceml> systemctl status spice-vdagent shows it is enabled? the enable didn't fail?
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• 1856[19:44:54] <brutser> it shows: Loaded: loaded and Active: inactive (dead)
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• 1858[19:46:28] <brutser> bryceml: similar like guy says here: replaced-url
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• 1862[19:46:38] <brutser> he loads it from profile
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• 1864[19:46:57] <brutser> but i rather just make it work or find out why it's failing
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• 1866[19:47:24] <bryceml> does journalctl show any issues with it starting as part of the boot process?
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• 1872[19:50:47] <brutser> no nothing..
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• 1874[19:51:36] <nik__> I Just started with linx, and when i try to open Tor, just to start with something, it just is a black screen
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• 1886[19:56:59] <bacoder> hello
• 1887[19:57:05] <bacoder> its me again
• 1888[19:57:12] * brutser hides
• 1889[19:57:15] <brutser> :)
• 1890[19:57:36] <brutser> i cannot start a service because dbus.target does not exist for some reason, similar like described here: replaced-url
• 1891[19:57:38] <bacoder> actually I need to find some app to handle several terminal sessions
• 1892[19:57:50] <bacoder> there was a name for that .... was it screen?
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• 1894[19:57:58] <brutser> screen or tmux
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• 1898[19:59:03] <boddax> where is stored the LD_LIBRARY_PATH env ?
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• 1900[19:59:18] <bacoder> yes it was I deed
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• 1902[19:59:36] <bacoder> so, in debian 10 (buster) I tried the following to disable neauvou
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• 1904[20:00:18] <annadane> nouveau?
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• 1907[20:00:36] <bacoder> in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-nvidia-nouveau.conf
• 1908[20:00:58] <annadane> update-alternatives --config glx, select mesa
• 1909[20:01:08] <bacoder> it says "blacklist nouveau"
• 1910[20:01:35] <bacoder> but when I run nvidia's installer they claim the nouveau kernelmode driver is still running
• 1911[20:01:43] <bacoder> what would be a cmd to list if that is true?
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• 1913[20:01:54] <annadane> from their website? you shouldn't be using that
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• 1915[20:02:14] <bacoder> annadane: is that a problem?
• 1916[20:02:27] <annadane> you're meant to use the nvidia packages from debian
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• 1918[20:02:32] <annadane> it can conflict
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• 1922[20:05:02] <Whyvn> what is avahi needed for by the system?
• 1923[20:05:57] <bacoder> annadane: I thought it was allowed and that you could improve the performance of your system with it
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• 1925[20:06:09] <annadane> i've never seen it recommended
• 1926[20:06:11] <annadane> i could be wrong
• 1927[20:06:23] <bacoder> hmm what a bummer
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• 1937[20:10:49] <bacoder> Allright so I can get some confirmation on this
• 1938[20:11:02] <bacoder> I am NOT SUPPOSED to install nvidia gfx drivers, right?
• 1939[20:11:16] <bacoder> I really tried preventing neauvou from loading but I am failing
• 1940[20:11:32] <bacoder> some feedback about this would be really cool
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• 1952[20:20:29] <HelloShitty> Peeps, I wanted to change a setting for systemd, which is the ability to create core dumps. So I created a folder /etc/systemd/coredump.conf.d and created a file here named custom.conf with the following content [CoreDump] Storage=external
• 1953[20:20:44] <HelloShitty> How do I make sure this setting is being applied/read by systemd?
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• 1963[20:27:30] <SwedeMike> x/win 2
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• 1968[20:28:37] <ratrace> HelloShitty: there's nothing to reload or apply, those configs are read when systemd-coredump is invoked.
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• 1971[20:29:28] <HelloShitty> But is my solution correct? Like, the folder I created?
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• 1976[20:31:40] <ratrace> HelloShitty: yes. which debian is that btw?
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• 1979[20:32:23] <HelloShitty> Ah sorry, I'm in Buster
• 1980[20:32:43] <ratrace> HelloShitty: did you install systemd-coredump?
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• 1982[20:32:49] <HelloShitty> I seen the instructions in ArchLinux wiki
• 1983[20:32:52] <HelloShitty> Let me check
• 1984[20:33:20] <Church-> HelloShitty: Watcha doing with coredumps?
• 1985[20:33:36] <HelloShitty> It's not for me
• 1986[20:33:43] <HelloShitty> it's for an application dev
• 1987[20:33:55] <ratrace> probably for gdb for post-mortem
• 1988[20:33:58] <HelloShitty> I got a segfault and I reported it and the guy asked me for coredumps
• 1989[20:34:06] <Church-> Ah, makes sense
• 1990[20:34:22] <HelloShitty> And I'm now trying to activate them so that I get coredumps if it happens again
• 1991[20:34:30] <Church-> ratrace: Well yeah, what else would you do with them? :P
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• 1993[20:34:50] <HelloShitty> well, that looks a lot sarcastic
• 1994[20:34:53] <ratrace> sell them to Ferengi for five bars of gold pressed latinum? Oh, wait, that's warp core dumps....
• 1995[20:35:05] <HelloShitty> I think you can do a lot of (bad things) with coredumps
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• 2002[20:37:07] <HelloShitty> ok, and I didn't have systemd-coredump installed
• 2003[20:37:18] <HelloShitty> now I see coredump.conf inside /etc/systemd
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• 2006[20:37:45] <HelloShitty> so I removed the folder I created and just edited this coreump.conf and uncommented the Storage=external line
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• 2008[20:38:13] <ratrace> HelloShitty: both paths are correct. it's in the manpage btw
• 2009[20:38:33] <Church-> Hmm, can't use systemd-coredump at work.
• 2010[20:38:35] <Church-> Kinda neat
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• 2013[20:39:57] <HelloShitty> Well, I feel better using the stuff that the install process provided by default
• 2014[20:40:29] <Church-> Yeah we have a custom solution that we sell/dogfood for coredump reporting
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• 2019[20:42:32] <HelloShitty> ok, thanks
• 2020[20:42:37] <HelloShitty> hope this is working right now
• 2021[20:42:46] <HelloShitty> and hope I have core dumps when the app crashes
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• 2025[20:43:48] <brutser> what is a nice image viewer on debian and what is a ms paint like image editor for debian?
• 2026[20:44:02] <brutser> with ms paint like i mean simple basic editor
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• 2030[20:44:57] <HelloShitty> I just use feh and gimp
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• 2033[20:45:16] <HelloShitty> gimp is a bit more complex but you can also do the simple stuff
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• 2036[20:46:03] <brutser> yea i tried gimp, but it's much more like paint shop pro on windows, little too complicated
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• 2041[20:49:09] <konrados> brutser, I did play with pinta the other day and I remember it was pretty OK for simple things (and I don't do anything other that simple things when it comes to photo editing:))
• 2042[20:49:43] <brutser> konrados: ok i will have a look thanks!
• 2043[20:50:04] <konrados> but then, when it comes to cropping, surprisingly I found inkscape easier, even when it comes to raster images.
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• 2047[20:51:37] <konrados> not only 'cropping', but also adding some text, adding other raster images, somehow I find inkscape easier for this kind of tasks.
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• 2076[21:07:47] <rander2> hello
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• 2079[21:10:10] <rander2> for install rt2870 wifi drivers , must I enable non-free repository ?
• 2080[21:10:50] <annadane> it should be firmware-misc-nonfree package
• 2081[21:10:51] <annadane> and yes
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• 2084[21:13:51] <annadane> you may as well also enable contrib
• 2085[21:14:26] <rander2> yes, I know I must enable non free repository
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• 2088[21:15:03] <rander2> and after give the command: apt-get install firmware-ralink # is it true ?
• 2089[21:15:30] <rander2> ok, now the card go
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• 2104[21:29:47] <dostoyevsky> hmmm... I've installed `pkg-config' because a configure script require that... but pkg-config has no clue of what packages are installed > pkg-config --exists --print-errors "coreutils" # Package coreutils was not found in the pkg-config search path. // Perhaps you should add the directory containing `coreutils.pc'
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• 2106[21:30:26] <dostoyevsky> (the actual configure script is trying to find libcurl...)
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• 2125[21:45:43] <Coronaemoon> >_<
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• 2128[21:46:47] <Coronaemoon> anyone got the new Coronaemoon app?
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• 2130[21:47:08] <CaptainN> i downloaded an app called Countdown....i wonder what thats about
• 2131[21:48:02] <dostoyevsky> Coronaemoon: it's part of the dostoyevsky app
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• 2138[21:50:40] <Coronaemoon> nazis love it
• 2139[21:50:47] <Zevv> Hi #debian. Anyone who can tell me what "Failed to start ntp.service: Unit tmp.mount is masked" means, and how I debug this?
• 2140[21:51:05] <Coronaemoon> steam peeps?
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• 2142[21:51:09] <Zevv> This is blocking my "apt upgrade" because ntp can not be restarted
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• 2144[21:51:45] <Coronaemoon> trojan steam rules
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• 2147[21:54:22] <Coronaemoon> dostoyevsky is a fascist
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• 2149[21:54:43] <Coronaemoon> KKK steam peep
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• 2151[21:55:17] <Coronaemoon> steam = torture
• 2152[21:55:26] <Coronaemoon> great app
• 2153[21:55:34] <hacosta_> Hello, i'm getting a ton of W: GPG error: replaced-url
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• 2155[21:56:29] <Coronaemoon> pretty good
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• 2160[21:58:22] <tharkun> hacosta_: "a ton of W: ..." is too vague. Please make a pastebin of the full errors so it can be seeing by anyone that is willing to lend you a hand.
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• 2167[21:59:43] <Coronaemoon> replaced-url
• 2168[21:59:44] <hacosta> tharkun, sure. replaced-url
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• 2172[22:00:30] <Coronaemoon> nsa already has this
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• 2174[22:01:06] <Coronaemoon> love time ago
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• 2177[22:04:53] <ratrace> Coronaemoon: this is a Debian support channel, please take the idle banter elsewhere.
• 2178[22:05:06] <tharkun> !asq Coronaemoon
• 2179[22:05:06] <dpkg> Thank you for asking, $1. Your question will be considered in depth and the answers revealed at the appropriate time.
• 2180[22:06:23] <tharkun> hacosta: InRelease is not an official repository IIRC and it is not signed by debian developers/mantainers. Hence your gpg warnings.
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• 2182[22:07:41] <tharkun> Where did you get that repository from is out of my knowledge. Maybe you should get the gpgp keys for it. So you are shure about the intended content.
• 2183[22:08:14] <hacosta> err.. replaced-url
• 2184[22:09:03] <tharkun> deb replaced-url
• 2185[22:09:33] <tharkun> That does not mean anything.
• 2186[22:11:03] <hacosta> I don't have an "InRelease" repository.. This is my sources.list replaced-url
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• 2200[22:20:28] <xlirate> Hello. I am trying to use cdd, it is saying that xorriso can't be found. Am I missing a dependancy somewhere?
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• 2204[22:24:26] <LtL> xlirate: install it
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• 2206[22:25:06] <LtL> xlirate: cdd isn't in debian repo's, so no guarantees
• 2207[22:25:07] <Coronaemoon> #debian-next is off
• 2208[22:25:21] <xlirate> oh?
• 2209[22:25:42] <LtL> i don't see it. xorriso is
• 2210[22:26:25] <xlirate> sorry, it is called 'simple-cdd'
• 2211[22:26:41] <xlirate> installing xorriso worked
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• 2249[23:05:12] <incal> it seems convert doesn't work on Debian Buster, I get an error for this command, convert -composite $bg $fg -gravity center comp.png # namely "convert-im6.q16: no images defined `comp.png' @ error/convert.c/ConvertImageCommand/3258." I heard the solution is downgrade ghostscript but 'aptitude versions' only shows one version, 9.27 (or 9.27~dfsg-2+deb10u3). do I need to add additional sources or how do I downgrade to a version that
• 2250[23:05:13] <incal> doesn't have the bug?
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• 2280[23:18:59] <xlirate> I am setting up some laptops to be donated to a school in Nepal. Anyone have recommendations for packages to pre-install?
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• 2346[23:58:22] <karlpinc> incal: Have you looked at bugs.debian.org? Or read the readme.debian to see if there's an issue/work-around?
• 2347[23:58:25] <karlpinc> !readme.debian
• 2348[23:58:26] <dpkg> README.Debian (or README.Debian.gz) is a document found in the /usr/share/doc/$packagename/ which explains any Debian specific details in the package's operation or configuration.
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• 2352[23:59:36] <karlpinc> incal: Otherwise the <errors> factoid says how to tell us about problems. (I think.)
• 2353[23:59:37] <karlpinc> !errors
• 2354[23:59:38] <dpkg> If you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors -- ask me about <localized errors> too. Please don't paste in the channel, use a pastebin instead; ask me about <pastebin>.
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