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• 4[00:04:57] <Unplesantry> is there a docs for gnome extensions api
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• 9[00:06:08] <__m4ch1n3__> there is xman which is man for X
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• 13[00:07:04] <Unplesantry> weak
• 14[00:07:06] <__m4ch1n3__> oh lol
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• 16[00:07:17] <__m4ch1n3__> ignore what i said
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• 32[00:14:43] <__m4ch1n3__> ah thats an desktop widget api thing... replaced-url
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• 37[00:17:02] <__m4ch1n3__> baisicly conky with more overhead
• 38[00:17:06] <__m4ch1n3__> :D
• 39[00:17:10] <Unplesantry> wut
• 40[00:17:25] <__m4ch1n3__> or how is peformance of exctensions
• 41[00:17:26] <Unplesantry> im building a plugin
• 42[00:17:28] <__m4ch1n3__> ?
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• 44[00:18:13] <Unplesantry> well how does gnome perform
• 45[00:18:15] <Unplesantry> thats how
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• 50[00:25:27] <__m4ch1n3__> what renders the extensions? qt5?
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• 56[00:28:44] <jcb2016> can somebody check out replaced-url
• 57[00:29:48] <__m4ch1n3__> google "persistence site:debian.org"
• 58[00:30:33] <jcb2016> ok one sec
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• 83[00:56:45] <jcb2016> __m4ch1n3__, looked and really didn't find anythig helpful. whats wrong with having a boot usb stick booting to debian. have as second usb stick and install debian to it?
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• 102[01:10:14] <uniqdom> Hello, I have 0 MB available in a disk. The disk is mounted in /media/user/disk. I need to put some files in the dir /media/user/disk/folder (this folder is not empty). So, I have attached a new disk and I have formated it as EXT4. Can I mount this new disk in /media/user/disk/folder and store the files that I need there?
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• 105[01:13:15] <EdePopede> uniqdom: sure you can. but where do you need those files? in the same directory as the others or just at that point in your fs?
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• 107[01:13:56] <__m4ch1n3__> replaced-url
• 108[01:13:57] <EdePopede> and depending on the circumstances you could add them as root, usually you have 5% of the fs reserved for.
• 109[01:14:41] <uniqdom> I would like to preserve both, old files and new files.
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• 114[01:15:02] <__m4ch1n3__> scroll down to swap,persistence
• 115[01:15:34] <jcb2016> dvs, what happend?
• 116[01:15:43] <de-facto> hmm why does dkms compile two times on installation and zero times on kernel updates?!
• 117[01:15:44] <dvs> you missed a message
• 118[01:15:50] <jcb2016> oh ok
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• 120[01:16:28] <__m4ch1n3__> persistence
• 121[01:16:28] <__m4ch1n3__> live-boot will probe devices for persistence media. These can be partitions (with the correct GPT name), filesystems (with the correct label) or image files (with the correct file name). Overlays are labeled/named "persistence" (see persistence.conf(5)). Overlay image files are named "persistence".
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• 123[01:17:25] <__m4ch1n3__> and all options document after that start with persistence
• 124[01:17:31] <jcb2016> __m4ch1n3__, so the live iso that i have i boot into it then boot with presistence?
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• 126[01:17:37] <EdePopede> uniqdom: so you want access to all files at the same time? if so, then you have to put them all into the same directory. if you mount them on that position, the original files aren't available for the moment. though it should work with a bind mount, but even then only with that other path. you still could move the existing files into the new fs and then mount it on the old position
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• 129[01:18:23] <uniqdom> EdePopede: thanks
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• 131[01:18:30] <uniqdom> I will move the files to the new partition
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• 135[01:20:41] <__m4ch1n3__> "peristence" boot option eanblaes write to partitons labeled/named "persistence"
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• 144[01:23:43] <__m4ch1n3__> or devices or filesystem
• 145[01:23:46] <__m4ch1n3__> s
• 146[01:24:41] <jcb2016> ok thanks __m4ch1n3__ i will do more research later i g2g this time
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• 162[01:37:56] <SerajewelKS> i need a file to be visible in two directories at the same time, but i'm struggling trying to figure out how to do it. the tools won't follow symlinks, so i can't use those. the tools also overwrite the files with the make-temp-file-then-move-it-over-the-original approach, so hardlinks won't work either.
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• 164[01:38:12] <SerajewelKS> bind mounting won't work because they require different other files in the directory around them
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• 166[01:39:06] <SerajewelKS> is there actually a way to accomplish this short of a scheduled rsync?
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• 168[01:42:02] <SerajewelKS> hmm maybe one of the tools would agree with a symlink
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• 174[01:44:34] <BCMM> SerajewelKS: oh, what about a unionfs-type thing?
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• 177[01:45:10] <BCMM> SerajewelKS: with the "other files" and the "file visible in two directories" on different layers?
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• 179[01:45:34] <BCMM> i think overlayfs is the modern one?
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• 184[01:46:58] <SerajewelKS> hmm
• 185[01:47:05] <SerajewelKS> i'll have to look into that
• 186[01:47:12] <SerajewelKS> it's annoying when tools won't work with symlinks
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• 197[01:55:20] <__m4ch1n3__> that with move firefox-binary to ram/tmpfs was dumb lol, move that "~/.mozilla" to ram
• 198[01:55:56] <__m4ch1n3__> caches, addons, cookies, profiles
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• 286[03:17:05] <tobiasBora> Hello,
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• 289[03:18:15] <tobiasBora> I'd like to know, why can't I upgrade texlive because of available space, while I have 8.6Go left on /, and it says "Need to get 2444 MB of archives.
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• 291[03:18:22] <tobiasBora> After this operation, 245 MB of additional disk space will be used.
• 292[03:18:24] <tobiasBora> "
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• 299[03:27:14] <aloo_shu> tobiasBora: perchance got a separate /usr partition?
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• 301[03:29:56] <aloo_shu> also, could be /tmp, e.g. /tmp is in ram, and there's not enough space to unpack
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• 305[03:33:49] <tobiasBora> aloo_shu: I don't have any /usr, but I have a separate /tmp indeed
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• 307[03:34:18] <tobiasBora> but there is 8.5G available
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• 312[03:38:08] <aloo_shu> would df /tmp confirm that?
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• 314[03:40:49] <tobiasBora> aloo_shu: sure, I use df to claim everything ;)
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• 321[03:44:32] <aloo_shu> I'm passing
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• 323[03:47:30] <outoftime> tobiasBora: replaced-url
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• 326[03:49:52] <outoftime> tobiasBora: also it would be great if you provide full output for `sudo apt install texlive'
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• 328[03:52:22] <outoftime> tobiasBora: also you can manually command `dpkg ...' to download archive with texlive. Then install it. In two separate commands (I don't know dpkg well, so you have to read manual first)
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• 572[07:36:21] <k_sze[work]> I ran `useradd -s /bin/bash -U -G sudo -m -p $password_hash my_user` in a script, I see the correct hash in /etc/shadow, `id my_user` also shows the user in the correct group, I can su as my_user from root. But I can't login as my_user with a password. What could be wrong?
• 573[07:36:47] <k_sze[work]> My password was generated using python3's crypt.crypt(), with auto-generated salt.
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• 577[07:37:24] <k_sze[work]> I mean my password *hash* was generated using python3's crypt.crypt() function.
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• 587[07:52:47] <festerjester> @k_sze[work]: try passwd username to see if that works, If it does, your script needs some fixing
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• 610[08:12:09] <rant> k_sze[work]: what hashing algorithm did you use?
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• 622[08:20:39] <rant> k_sze[work]: in short you likely didn't generate the right kind of hash or otherwise didn't include the salt or something
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• 625[08:21:36] <k_sze[work]> rant, I didn't specify a hashing algorithm. I think python3's crypt.crypt() function defaults to sha512 with hash anyway.
• 626[08:21:53] <k_sze[work]> which is why the output of that function starts with "$6$"
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• 636[08:28:35] <rant> k_sze[work]: yes well I just tested this, and you're right but there is an issue..
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• 639[08:29:12] <rant> k_sze[work]: near as I can tell debian for whatever reason uses 8 char salt and that function produces 16 char salt.. which might be significant.. I'm still running some tests
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• 644[08:31:51] <rant> yes when I passwd I get $6$62nOVQSz$aRsK0wUdgLz4ZRsayx.tZDiWFWkCwsrrnsYA7DC2UsewTVD7/KRyeL9QB81anMpPt582a8hnQz8660PF9GCkU0 and when I crypt.crypt() I get $6$JqEnzZ7iJjdu.vsD$3MGVyNGYbnbVg6QbiOAPnkBfTF8NIwacz00E9MkHnNK0Lq10NfjK1notLEFrkX6dt7nkXbZP4FJoPYph4jCyP/
• 645[08:32:17] <rant> both setting the password to "foo" and if I put those in /etc/shadow, the passwd one works, but the crypt.crypt() one doesnt
• 646[08:33:34] <Ingvix> I've read some selfmade systemd service files using %I as service user. Does that refer to current user? The same does not seem to work on my system
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• 649[08:34:27] <Ingvix> I think they were for arch if in that dist it's a thing
• 650[08:35:14] <Ingvix> How do I do the same on debian?
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• 653[08:38:30] <rant> ,v glibc
• 654[08:38:31] <judd> No package named 'glibc' was found in amd64.
• 655[08:38:35] <rant> ,v libc
• 656[08:38:37] <judd> No package named 'libc' was found in amd64.
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• 662[08:43:24] <Ingvix> currently my service status says 'Invalid user/group name or numeric ID:' meaning it's probably empty
• 663[08:45:39] <rant> Ingvix: well %I would be empty for non instantiated units.. but it'll never be the username
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• 665[08:46:19] <rant> Ingvix: %u is username, %U is UID, $I and %i are something totally different
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• 668[08:46:57] <rant> what exactly I'm not sure, I find the documentation on them rather vague and confusing
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• 671[08:47:25] <rant> "%i"Instance nameFor instantiated units this is the string between the first "@" character and the type suffix. Empty for non-instantiated units.
• 672[08:47:47] <rant> but then again I don't really understand systemd that well or what instances are exactly
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• 677[08:50:03] <rant> Ingvix: see the Table 4 under Specifiers at the bottom of this page replaced-url
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• 679[08:51:26] <rant> k_sze[work]: I'm at a loss for where this is.. but I'm thinking this is a legacy feature of some kind and I'd almost call it a bug
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• 686[08:52:43] <rant> because near as I can tell the way its suppose to work is everything between the first and second $ are the salt, and SHA-2-512 uses 16 chars of salt.. yet I see pam using / requiring only 8 chars of salt on Stretch
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• 693[08:54:22] <k_sze[work]> rant, yeah, I also noticed that the hash generated by crypt.crypt is longer than that generated by passwd
• 694[08:55:09] <rant> k_sze[work]: even mkpasswd -m sha-512 foo is generating a 16 char salt
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• 696[08:55:32] <rant> yet when I use passwd I'm getting an 8 char salt.. and the 8char salt works, but the 16char salt doesnt
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• 703[08:58:53] <Ingvix> rant, I just found that page myself though I'm still not really sure what's its purpose and if it's of significance for my unit file which I pretty much copied: replaced-url
• 704[08:59:06] <Ingvix> i3lock simply creates a lock screen on suspend
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• 708[09:01:34] <SerajewelKS> rant: instances are a way for one unit definition to be applied to multiple services. for example, if you have a VPN server (think openvpn or tinc) and multiple VPN config files, an "instance" might name the config directory.
• 709[09:01:49] <SerajewelKS> e.g. if you have an /etc/tinc/foobar then you implicitly can "systemctl start tinc@foobar" to start that VPN service
• 710[09:02:43] <SerajewelKS> and there is a tinc@.service file that describes how to start a specific tinc daemon
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• 712[09:03:58] <SerajewelKS> think C++ templates. the tinc@.service file is the template. the service units like tinc@foobar.service are automatically instantiated when you use them.
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• 716[09:06:25] <rant> k_sze[work]: near as I can tell something legacy in the shadow-utils probably is restricting the salt to 8 chars
• 717[09:06:44] <k_sze[work]> I see.
• 718[09:06:59] <rant> which is odd, cause unix in the 70s supposedly used 12
• 719[09:07:08] * rant goes to check the bts
• 720[09:07:18] <SerajewelKS> the most famous systemd template is probably user@.service
• 721[09:07:26] <k_sze[work]> Maybe salting was more important in the 70s because hashing algos were weaker back then?
• 722[09:07:43] <SerajewelKS> postgresql also makes use of it to get a separate systemd service per cluster
• 723[09:08:08] <SerajewelKS> k_sze[work]: salting is still very important to prevent rainbow table attacks
• 724[09:08:10] <k_sze[work]> And nowadays the hashing algo itself is quite strong and the distro maintainers don't want people to overdo it with the salt? :P
• 725[09:09:06] <SerajewelKS> the strength of the hashing algorithm has little to do with the need to salt
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• 727[09:09:47] <SerajewelKS> if you don't salt then two users with the same password, even on entirely different systems, have the same hashed password. google "ef92b778bafe771e89245b89ecbc08a44a4e166c06659911881f383d4473e94f" and tell me what you find.
• 728[09:10:18] <SerajewelKS> which is a sha256 hash of a weak password i just made up
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• 730[09:11:00] <SerajewelKS> (google is a surprisingly effective rainbow table)
• 731[09:11:17] <rant> SerajewelKS: heh
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• 735[09:12:26] <SerajewelKS> salting is a necessary mechanism to defeat a rainbow table and make your password hashes entirely unique, such that no rainbow table has been computed yet. if you don't salt at all then your password database is only slightly more secure than storing everything in plaintext.
• 736[09:12:27] <jelly> postfix usage of @.service is a lot saner way of doing things than the previous multi-instance init script complexity
• 737[09:12:56] <SerajewelKS> jelly: indeed, and for things like openvpn as well. having a list of VPNs to start in /etc/defaults/openvpn was always a bit hacky.
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• 740[09:13:33] <SerajewelKS> restarting just one vpn service was a hassle
• 741[09:13:47] <rant> idk I'm gonna test this a lil more at some point, and if it really does only accept 8 char salt I'm filing a bug
• 742[09:13:59] <rant> seems its in the login package now, not called shadow-utils
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• 744[09:14:14] <rant> pretty sure thats where the bug would need to be filed
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• 747[09:14:38] <jelly> what's wrong with 8char salts? 48bits not enough for you?
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• 749[09:15:50] <rant> jelly: the point was this user here came in hours ago asking questions about automating user account creation without divulging cleartext passwords.. and all utilities be it crypt.crypt() in python or mkpasswd from whois, etc, generate sha512 passwords with 16 char salt and that doesn't work when you try using a 16 char salted password
• 750[09:15:52] <jelly> classic unix DES-based crypt() had a 2 character salt
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• 752[09:16:32] <rant> so even if not being able to use longer salts were not a problem on its own, we have the problem that none of the utilities can make a password debian accepts
• 753[09:16:41] <rant> because they all make 16 char salted passwords
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• 755[09:17:38] <rant> and parts of the documentation say the salt can be between 8 and 16 chars, and others say it has to be 8 chars.. which seems to be the case from my preliminary testing
• 756[09:17:43] <jelly> I'm pretty sure mkpasswd does something that crypt() understands
• 757[09:18:09] <rant> yeah well mkpasswd -m sha512 foo and put that in your /etc/shadow and see what happens :P
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• 759[09:18:23] <rant> cause it didnt work for me
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• 762[09:19:03] <rant> I was gonna test it later in a virtual machine cause really I dont use passwords on here, I use keys and fprintd which makes trying to test passwords a bit of a pita
• 763[09:19:42] <jelly> "Invalid method 'sha512'."
• 764[09:19:50] <rant> jelly: erm sha-512
• 765[09:20:17] <rant> I was /thinking/ that just not what I _typed_
• 766[09:20:21] <rant> :D
• 767[09:22:26] <rant> I got interested in this cause I really wasnt sure how the hell this all worked anymore cause I haven't used it in ages :P
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• 769[09:24:06] <rant> way I figure it is, shutting my machine down, the disk is encrypted.. so you need a key and a ridiculous password for that before you can even get a crack at pam which is setup with fprintd so.. thats good enough.. I only rely on pam for locking my screen when I step away for a minute and to change users
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• 771[09:26:21] <jelly> hmm, I'm pretty sure I have a oneliner with $6$ and a 10 character salt for my own account generation
• 772[09:26:29] <bipul> Any debian wiki on vim to "configure vim " for python development?
• 773[09:26:43] <rant> jelly: yes, well the mkpasswd generated a 16char, and it didn't work correct?
• 774[09:27:02] <jelly> it generates a salt with anything from 9 to 16 length
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• 778[09:27:51] <rant> hmm both mkpasswd and crypt.crypt() or crypt.mksalt() in python3 had generated a 16 char salt when I did it and it didn't work
• 779[09:28:16] <rant> when I put those in the shadow file and tried to login, it wasnt taking the password "foo"
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• 782[09:29:00] <rant> which as I said, I consider to be a bug, I'm guessing against the login package cause i think its related to shadow is where the problem lies
• 783[09:29:04] <jelly> this works: $6$rounds=500000$CCv12Fn9oZ$OcXhY1uLsUGP.xkS53yY7B92VJ1H2kEW8hgaGo1NsE1IO2305R9W6UA1QqUi5ftoDIKpbhLJ7ql8Vxsaz7tjx.
• 784[09:29:16] <jelly> go crack it, it's my actual password :-)
• 785[09:29:23] <rant> heh
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• 789[09:30:28] <jelly> this also works: $6$iUUfFTb/Nw32$hUFwqt55xRGQUU8Eb8dQVqo5F1UEJGc0Cflg5zVgHn6PLdYbb/6JyEzMJz2SNhi3BJKPQdjF2y/T41x6vNGrS1
• 790[09:31:10] <jelly> rant, what was the salt value for the one that did not work for you?
• 791[09:31:18] <rant> jelly: yeah, lemme just call NASA, FBI, NSA, CIA, KGB, Mossad, #10 Downing, etc.. and ask them if I can borrow their entire networks
• 792[09:32:14] <rant> jelly: this didn't work $6$JqEnzZ7iJjdu.vsD$3MGVyNGYbnbVg6QbiOAPnkBfTF8NIwacz00E9MkHnNK0Lq10NfjK1notLEFrkX6dt7nkXbZP4FJoPYph4jCyP/ was generated by crypt.crypt() and this one was generated by the passwd command and did work $6$62nOVQSz$aRsK0wUdgLz4ZRsayx.tZDiWFWkCwsrrnsYA7DC2UsewTVD7/KRyeL9QB81anMpPt582a8hnQz8660PF9GCkU0
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• 794[09:32:25] <rant> the password was foo in both cases
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• 796[09:33:10] <jelly> I'm using mkpasswd to generate. One with 15 char salt worked as well.
• 797[09:34:25] <jelly> rant, your $6$JqEnzZ7iJjdu.vsD$ ... P/ works here.
• 798[09:35:11] <jelly> in the sense of being able to "su - test2", enter "foo" as password and it being accepted
• 799[09:35:33] <jelly> stretch, i386
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• 802[09:36:32] <jelly> "mkpasswd -m sha-512 foo JqEnzZ7iJjdu.vsD" generates the same hash
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• 805[09:38:04] <jelly> test2 is a freshly created account with "adduser test2", and I used "vipw -s" to plug in various password hashes
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• 812[09:42:36] <jelly> rant, which passwd package version and arch is this?
• 813[09:42:56] <jelly> ,v passwd
• 814[09:42:58] <judd> Package: passwd on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:4.1.5.1-1; wheezy-security: 1:4.1.5.1-1+deb7u1; jessie: 1:4.2-3+deb8u4; jessie-security: 1:4.2-3+deb8u4; stretch: 1:4.4-4.1; buster: 1:4.5-1.1; sid: 1:4.5-1.1
• 815[09:44:36] <rant> jelly: its stretch amd64
• 816[09:44:56] <rant> passwd 1:4.4-4.1 amd64
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• 820[09:48:13] <rant> there is plenty that could explain why it wasnt working for me.. I only tried it once, entered it manually using copy/paste into the shadow, and I also didnt use the - with su and had to swipe several times to fail out the fingerprint auth first
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• 851[10:14:04] <mebus> Hi! " The repository 'replaced-url
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• 894[10:38:19] <cosmo-tech> Hello.
• 895[10:39:08] <Ingvix> Could someone tell what exactly is a systemd unit that's 'instantiated'? How does unit become instantiated?
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• 897[10:39:45] <cosmo-tech> postgresql-9.6 is no longer in jessie-backports.
• 898[10:39:52] <cosmo-tech> Any suggestion ?
• 899[10:40:46] <cosmo-tech> Since this morning
• 900[10:41:24] <ayekat> Ingvix: there are units like dhcpcd@.service that can be started multiple times, as dhcpcd@enp0s1.service, or dhcpcd@wlp3s0.service
• 901[10:41:54] *** marens_ is now known as marens
• 902[10:42:02] <ayekat> Ingvix: the part after @ is the instance name or id (?), and in the unit file itself is used as %i or %I
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• 904[10:43:00] <ayekat> Ingvix: for more information, search for `instance` in systemd.unit(5)
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• 914[10:53:03] <no_gravity> I'm trying to find out why I get dropped packages on my wifi adapter. Any ideas how to go about it?
• 915[10:54:51] <mutante> no_gravity: move further away from the microwave
• 916[10:55:26] <mutante> i mean.. physical reasons.. like move the router to check
• 917[10:55:48] <mutante> or if the neighbors are all using the same channel
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• 919[10:56:04] <no_gravity> Isn't a dropped package a package the computer received but threw away for some reason?
• 920[10:56:23] <no_gravity> Like Linux saying "Ha, I got this package but I will throw it in the trash!"
• 921[10:56:24] <mutante> sorry, i read that as "packet loss". my bad
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• 923[10:56:52] <no_gravity> I mean the "dropped" number in the output of ifconfig.
• 924[10:57:22] <cosmo-tech> replaced-url
• 925[10:57:24] <mutante> you could probably use tcpdump to log the full packages
• 926[10:57:29] <mutante> packets
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• 928[10:58:23] <no_gravity> mutante: I never used tcpdump. Let me try ...
• 929[10:59:31] <no_gravity> mutante: Is each line in the output of "tcpdump" a package?
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• 931[11:00:39] <mutante> no_gravity: by default probably just the headers of the packets but not the full content. but with the right switch also the content replaced-url
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• 933[11:01:08] <mutante> . "-s 0" by default tcpdump will only capture the beginning of each packet, using 0 here will make it capture the full packets.
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• 935[11:01:52] <mutante> no_gravity: replaced-url
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• 938[11:03:30] <no_gravity> mutante: Does tcpdump show which packets are dropped?
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• 942[11:05:24] <mutante> no_gravity: " it prints a summary of how many packets were captured, filtered, and dropped when you stop the capture"
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• 944[11:05:40] <mutante> no_gravity: replaced-url
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• 947[11:08:29] <no_gravity> mutante: I don't really see an answer on that page
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• 949[11:09:45] <no_gravity> When I ctrl+c tcpdump, it shows "1016 packets dropped by kernel 51 packets dropped by interface"
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• 956[11:12:36] <mutante> no_gravity: i think you have to use -B to adjust buffer size so kernel doesnt drop as many
• 957[11:12:51] <mutante> i dont know how to capture ONLY the dropped ones
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• 959[11:13:21] <no_gravity> mutante: -B where?
• 960[11:13:57] <mutante> no_gravity:an option of tcpdump
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• 962[11:14:12] <mutante> no_gravity: as in replaced-url
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• 966[11:15:00] <no_gravity> mutante: Ok, but that might then solve it while tcpdump is running but the problem will come back when I stop tcpdump?
• 967[11:16:11] <mutante> no_gravity: it should solve being able to capture all the packets to be able to analyze what is wrong with them.. theoretically
• 968[11:16:46] <mutante> one thing is your actual issue you want to debug.. and the other thing is tcpdump cant keep up with capturing everything
• 969[11:17:01] <mutante> if the buffer is small
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• 971[11:17:34] <no_gravity> The core problem I have is that idle ssh connections die sometimes. They suddenly hang forever.
• 972[11:17:45] <no_gravity> And I wonder if it is related to the dropped packages I seen in ifconfig.
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• 974[11:18:20] <no_gravity> I will leav "tcpdump -n host othermachine" running for a while and see if it reports something.
• 975[11:18:42] <e> individual packets dropping will not ordinarily break connections
• 976[11:18:46] <milkt> i think it is better to enable ssh debugging
• 977[11:19:18] <no_gravity> e: But what does break it?
• 978[11:19:33] <mutante> sshd has config options for idle timeout
• 979[11:19:33] <e> overzealous firewall/NAT usually
• 980[11:19:36] <no_gravity> milkt: How so?
• 981[11:19:41] <no_gravity> e: How will it break it?
• 982[11:19:51] <milkt> no_gravity: use ssh with -v
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• 984[11:20:27] <no_gravity> milkt: I tried that. That totally spoils the output of the ssh connection so it's hard to use.
• 985[11:20:35] <e> use a spare one
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• 987[11:20:42] <e> i think sshd tells you if it's disconnecting you for idleness though?
• 988[11:20:46] <cosmo-tech> There's no more packages in jessie-backports, do you know why ?
• 989[11:20:55] <no_gravity> e: It's not disconnecting. It hangs.
• 990[11:21:20] <milkt> no_gravity: so what does debug message tell you when it hangs
• 991[11:21:30] <e> are you pressing ^S
• 992[11:21:53] <no_gravity> milkt: Hard to say. It can take an hour before it starts hanging. So I cannot easily reproduce it.
• 993[11:22:03] <no_gravity> e: What is ^S?
• 994[11:22:26] <e> it's a really useful feature of terminals
• 995[11:22:29] <mutante> is it exactly an hour or at random times?
• 996[11:22:40] <no_gravity> mutante: I don't know. It feels random.
• 997[11:22:53] <e> no_gravity: well create a new ssh session with -vvv and don't do anything in it, just wait for it to die
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• 999[11:23:11] <e> (and use an sshd in debug mode if you can)
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• 1001[11:23:26] <no_gravity> e: Ok. I have set one up.
• 1002[11:23:55] <milkt> no_gravity: if you have access to server sshd_config, also check ClientAliveInterval, ClientAliveCountMax entry in sshd_config
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• 1006[11:24:42] <no_gravity> milkt: Good idea.
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• 1009[11:25:18] <no_gravity> milkt: I have put "ClientAliveInterval 100" there some time ago.
• 1010[11:25:31] <no_gravity> milkt: No ClientAliveCountMax.
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• 1013[11:26:54] <milkt> no_gravity: look at ClientAliveCountMax, ClientAliveInterval section in "man sshd_config"
• 1014[11:27:54] <no_gravity> Maybe I should set it to 100 too?
• 1015[11:28:03] <e> you shouldn't need to
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• 1019[11:28:55] <no_gravity> The ssh -vvv session has outputted this a couple of times now: "debug3: receive packet: type 98".
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• 1023[11:29:18] <no_gravity> The type differing. I see 98,100,82 and 80.
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• 1026[11:29:39] <no_gravity> And sometimes "debug3: receive packet: type 82". Also with various types.
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• 1028[11:29:57] <no_gravity> And sometimes this: "debug1: client_input_channel_req: channel 0 rtype keepalive@openssh.com reply 1"
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• 1031[11:30:55] <no_gravity> I think I will set ClientAliveInterval to 10 and ClientAliveCountMax to 100.
• 1032[11:31:06] <no_gravity> I think that means "Try hard to keep the connection alive!"
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• 1043[11:35:17] <no_gravity> milkt: I might try that too.
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• 1055[11:44:33] <de-facto> Can i set the wifi reg domain in /etc/network/interfaces?
• 1056[11:44:41] <de-facto> or where would be the common place for it?
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• 1059[11:46:48] <no_gravity> de-facto: What is a wifi reg domain?
• 1060[11:47:31] <de-facto> the country code for wifi regulations (e.g. allowed channels, power etc)
• 1061[11:47:39] <no_gravity> I see.
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• 1063[11:48:26] <de-facto> sudo iw reg set <COUNTRY CODE>
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• 1132[12:26:15] <pro_with_stds> Hello
• 1133[12:26:23] <pro_with_stds> I have a small question
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• 1135[12:26:34] <mutante> !ask
• 1136[12:26:34] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
• 1137[12:26:37] <pro_with_stds> I have windows 10 installed on legacy boot in sda1
• 1138[12:26:50] <pro_with_stds> Is it ok if I force UEFI when I install debian
• 1139[12:26:55] <pro_with_stds> Will it overwrite windows
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• 1143[12:27:39] <pro_with_stds> Debian 9 btw
• 1144[12:27:44] <pro_with_stds> Literally downloaded it today
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• 1155[12:31:13] <mutante> pro_with_stds: i think you should be able to boot Debian installer in either of the modes and "will it overwrite Windows" is unrelated to that mode and more to which partition you select later in the installer ... afaict
• 1156[12:31:39] <mutante> havent installed windows in a really long time though. so dont trust me :p
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• 1189[12:53:32] <M6HZ> Hi, I'm encountering an issue with apt. When I've installed the package tshark a package configuration screen appeared asking me if I wanted to create a specific user group for this package. I chose the default option: no, now that I've changed my mind I've tried to uninstall and reinstall the package, but this package configuration doesn't reappear anymore. I've tried to apt-get purge tshark ; apt-get auto-remove without success, what s
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• 1193[12:56:54] <ayekat> M6HZ: the choice you've made is stored in debconf - try `dpkg-reconfigure tshark` (after installing it) to see if this allows you to change that setting
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• 1221[13:07:35] <M6HZ> ayekat: well, I've tried it, but the command reports an error when the package in uninstalled and nothing when the package is installed.
• 1222[13:07:48] <M6HZ> is *
• 1223[13:08:56] <M6HZ> Actually, I am wondering if the package configuration screen couldn't have been for one of the dependencies of tshark?
• 1224[13:09:09] <M6HZ> In this case, what should I do?
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• 1317[13:19:46] <ksk> M6HZ: invoke dpkg-reconfigure for evrything tshark pulled in? :x
• 1318[13:20:00] <ksk> not too clean, but this way you should get the right one after a while.. ;)
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• 1322[13:21:01] <bhuddah> M6HZ: try dpkg-reconfigure wireshark-common
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• 1332[13:22:00] <ksk> yeah, that sounds likely, config is in a -common package if there is one.
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• 1337[13:26:06] <M6HZ> bhuddah, ksk: Good. It was this package, should I reinstall it after having followed the configuration process?
• 1338[13:26:40] <bhuddah> M6HZ: no. but you probably need to log out and back in for it to work.
• 1339[13:26:49] <M6HZ> bhuddah: sure
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• 1341[13:27:25] <M6HZ> bhuddah: I don't see any difference in the file /etc/group that's why I'm asking.
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• 1343[13:28:56] <bhuddah> M6HZ: please see if it works now first. before actively searching for possible problems.
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• 1366[13:41:57] <M6HZ> bhuddah: So, yes I've managed to add a user to the group wireshark and to run tshark without root privileges.
• 1367[13:43:26] <M6HZ> bhuddah: What would be the best way to avoid such troubles in the future?
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• 1377[13:49:28] <bhuddah> M6HZ: you've not had troubles. this was a small inconvenience at best. and the only thing that helps is learning.
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• 1386[13:54:07] <ksk> M6HZ: maybe do a meditation session before clicking away a postconfigure dialog ;)
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• 1391[13:54:29] <M6HZ> bhuddah: When I uninstall a package and all its dependencies I don't expect, nobody expects, to have remaining pieces of configuration that prohibit to follow the normal installation process of this package. If the term troubles doesn't suit you, it seems related nevertheless.
• 1392[13:54:42] <ksk> but yeah, you kind of workaround on it if you have to - like you did now, added the user to group manually - no harm done.
• 1393[13:55:05] <ksk> M6HZ: this is a key part of the dpkg packaging system, sorry.
• 1394[13:55:08] <ksk> !confmiss
• 1395[13:55:08] <dpkg> You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>.
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• 1398[13:55:41] <ksk> you can purge a package to also get rid of the config files of a package.
• 1399[13:55:58] <ksk> if you manually deleted config files and need them back, see confmiss option
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• 1406[14:00:25] <ayekat> I would say is not unexpected to have the package manager keep around configuration files
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• 1410[14:00:54] <greycat> !confmiss
• 1411[14:00:54] <dpkg> You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>.
• 1412[14:00:56] <ayekat> I admittedly only know dpkg and pacman, but neither removes (changed) configuration files unless explictly asked to
• 1413[14:01:17] <ksk> greycat: but I called that 5 minutes ago :P
• 1414[14:01:22] <greycat> Ah.
• 1415[14:01:40] <greycat> Well, ayekat apparently didn't read it hard enough, so now s/he gets to read it again.
• 1416[14:01:58] <ayekat> greycat: my statement wasn't even remotely related to that
• 1417[14:02:22] <ayekat> greycat: I was replying to M6HZ who claimed that nobody expects configuration files to linger around after uninstalling a package
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• 1422[14:03:21] <greycat> M6HZ: do you understand the difference between "dpkg --remove" and "dpkg --purge"?
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• 1425[14:05:27] <M6HZ> greycat, ayekat, ksk, I was not talking about configuration files such as /etc/package.conf, but about the case we were talking about earlier: debconf not being called on subsequent installations of a same package because a remaining internal configuration file is still present on the system.
• 1426[14:05:38] <greycat> because you didn't --purge?
• 1427[14:06:01] <M6HZ> Yes I did. I explicitly stated it in my first message.
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• 1429[14:06:21] <ayekat> M6HZ: did you `autoremove --purge`?
• 1430[14:06:38] <ayekat> M6HZ: because it appeared that the lingering config wasn't for tshark, but one of its dependencies
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• 1433[14:07:07] <greycat> I came in in the middle. If you did "dpkg --purge wireshark-common" as well as "dpkg --purge tshark" then I missed it.
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• 1436[14:08:17] <greycat> Now, if your complaint is "damned package is split into pieces, so I never know which piece has which configs" then I fully agree with you. Debian's split-into-a-billion-pieces packages are a pain in the ass.
• 1437[14:08:52] <greycat> exim4 should be ONE freakin' package.
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• 1451[14:15:43] <ksk> but how do I determiny the weight of exim4 by looking at the package name? :o
• 1452[14:15:55] <ksk> if there was only one.
• 1453[14:16:24] <greycat> the... installed size? I don't know what you mean by "weight".
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• 1456[14:16:52] <greycat> unless this is a joke on "daemon-light" or whatever the hell they put in the splinter package names
• 1457[14:17:17] <de-facto> is there a way to forbid NetworkManager to ever touch a specific interface?
• 1458[14:17:29] <ksk> yeah, iirc there are -light, -heavy packages for exim4..
• 1459[14:17:35] <greycat> define the interface in /e/n/i and NM will not touch it
• 1460[14:18:26] <de-facto> i did and nm claims it so e/n/i is without effect
• 1461[14:18:55] <greycat> well then, it's a bug, or I was lied ot.
• 1462[14:19:06] <greycat> (or you didn't actually configure it correctly)
• 1463[14:19:21] <AlexNagySchool> uh-oh
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• 1466[14:20:30] * AlexNagySchool makes note to make sure to do exactly as greycat says
• 1467[14:20:32] <de-facto> maybe i did it wrong, i specified the interface (wlan0) in e/n/i and even tried to [keyfile] unmanaged-devices=mac:<MAC> in /etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf
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• 1472[14:24:02] <de-facto> is there a way to autostart "ifup wlan0" on boot?
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• 1475[14:24:39] <blackflow> de-facto: "auto wlan0"
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• 1478[14:25:03] <rant> de-facto: yes, configure it in /etc/network/interfaces with auto wlan0
• 1479[14:25:10] <blackflow> de-facto: interfaces(5) manpage explains the details
• 1480[14:25:32] <de-facto> ah right now i have "iface wlan0 inet static" because its gonna be an AP
• 1481[14:25:46] <de-facto> so something like "auto wlan0 inet static" then?
• 1482[14:25:53] <rant> no just auto wlan0
• 1483[14:26:12] <greycat> You need TWO LINES.
• 1484[14:26:17] <greycat> The first is "auto wlan0".
• 1485[14:26:27] <greycat> The second is "iface wlan0 whatever".
• 1486[14:26:48] <rant> if you just want to share your internet connection that is quite easy to do with network-manager
• 1487[14:26:53] <rant> as I found out recently
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• 1489[14:27:32] <de-facto> yes i know, but i dont like NM too much, its to "smart" of my taste
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• 1492[14:27:58] <AlexNagySchool> ...
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• 1497[14:28:51] <rant> heh
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• 1499[14:28:57] <de-facto> hahaha :)
• 1500[14:29:27] <de-facto> ok nice that worked :)
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• 1506[14:31:14] <de-facto> i am just playing around a bit with a RTL8812AU USB Wifi dongle with hostapd/dnsmasq to see if its possible to stabilize it as AP
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• 1519[14:40:22] <de-facto> hmm i think hostapd/dnsmasq is working fine, how do i share the eth0 internet to wlan0?
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• 1524[14:43:10] <de-facto> iptables rules i guess...?
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• 1534[14:47:04] <de-facto> nice working 802.11 AC on 5.2 GHz with internet around 200MBit/s to an Android client :)
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• 1537[14:48:16] <de-facto> can i put the iptables in /e/n/i ?
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• 1540[14:50:30] <rant> you can put the quran in there if you want to
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• 1542[14:52:12] <ayekat> I'd probably write a service that loads the iptables rules from a file, and enable that
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• 1544[14:54:42] <de-facto> i never did this before, is this somewhat sane? replaced-url
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• 1578[15:15:30] <yokowka> heavenO, everysoul!!!! laptop hp: AMD Turion 64x2 TL-60 2.0 Gz, ram 3 Gb, hdd 470 Gb, graphic card nvidia will be load debian 10??
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• 1593[15:23:03] <de-facto> hmm why would a line like "iw dev wlan0 set txpower fixed 20mBm" be without effect in /etc/network/interfaces ?
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• 1595[15:23:40] <de-facto> its without effect on terminal too
• 1596[15:24:06] <de-facto> e.g. "iw dev wlan0 info" always stays at "txpower 18.00 dBm"
• 1597[15:24:22] <de-facto> and yes i think i set the correct reg domain
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• 1600[15:25:32] <de-facto> iw list tells me "* 5200 MHz [40] (20.0 dBm)" which should be max for my country, hence i want to set that
• 1601[15:26:17] <rant> yokowka: yes
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• 1646[15:49:19] <SerajewelKS> de-facto: is the set txpower line you gave correct?
• 1647[15:49:27] <SerajewelKS> it says 20mBm, not 20dBm
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• 1649[15:50:48] <Stx> anyone running a DHCP/TFTP machine offering network installations?
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• 1651[15:51:52] <yokowka> rant, blugudare you
• 1652[15:52:15] <ksk> !tell Stx about ask
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• 1654[15:52:30] <ksk> !tell Stx about problem
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• 1659[15:54:06] <BCMM> Stx: i did something like a few years ago. not running it now, though. if you have a problem, you might try asking about it specifically.
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• 1662[15:57:00] <koollman> where can I find some context discussion for replaced-url
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• 1665[15:57:35] <Stx> ksk: thanks
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• 1668[15:58:06] <Stx> BCMM: kay, I actually just worked around my first problem, but thank you. If I get into more trouble I will ask a more specific question ;o)
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• 1757[17:02:26] <nkuttler> ,v apt
• 1758[17:02:27] <judd> Package: apt on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 0.9.7.9+deb7u6; wheezy: 0.9.7.9+deb7u7; jessie: 1.0.9.8.4; jessie-security: 1.0.9.8.4; stretch: 1.4.9; stretch-security: 1.4.9; sid: 1.8.0~beta1; buster: 1.8.0
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• 1762[17:02:55] <judd> Package: libc6 on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.13-38+deb7u10; wheezy-security: 2.13-38+deb7u12; jessie: 2.19-18+deb8u10; jessie-security: 2.19-18+deb8u10; stretch-security: 2.24-11+deb9u1; stretch: 2.24-11+deb9u4; sid: 2.28-5; buster: 2.28-8
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• 1783[17:11:44] <bkeys> Hi guys, I'm trying to set up a Plasma desktop on VNC but I keep getting a grey background with a movable cursor. Does anyone know how to set the default desktop environment in Debian?
• 1784[17:12:41] <nkuttler> do you log in over vnc? which dm?
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• 1787[17:16:05] <greycat> The "default" is set by update-alternatives. If there is an x-session-manager alternative set, it uses that. Otherwise, if there is an x-window-manager alternative set, it uses that.
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• 1789[17:16:30] <greycat> The user's ~/.xsession overrides the "default" in either case.
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• 1791[17:17:17] <de-facto> SerajewelKS, i think so, at least it does not complain... "iwconfig wlan0 txpower 20" works but i would like to use iw
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• 1808[17:25:48] <bkeys> greycat: That .xsession file worked for me, thank you
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• 1810[17:26:46] <bkeys> Alright so that confirmed my suspicion of this
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• 1812[17:27:02] <bkeys> For some reason when I VNC into the machine my key mappings are all messed up. It's consistent but messed up none the less
• 1813[17:27:12] <bkeys> It does this regardless of which DE is being used
• 1814[17:27:23] <bkeys> Maybe if I try a different client
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• 1817[17:28:28] <de-facto> SerajewelKS, ok you were right "iw dev wlan0 set txpower fixed 2000" seems to work as "Note that the value this commands takes is in millibel-milliwatts (mBm) instead of the commonly used decibel-milliwatts (dBm). <power in mBm> = 100 * <power in dBm>"
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• 1836[17:42:53] <johnfg> hi folks
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• 1840[17:43:56] <johnfg> I was running php-7.0.33 on stretch, but have upgraded to 7.3. However, apache2 is still running the 7.0.33. How do I tell it to run 7.3?
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• 1851[17:48:50] <Slingsh2> On Debian stretch when trying to manually compile e.g. libpopt (I'm not intending to create debian packages), after I did "export DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=hardening=+all" doing "./configure $(dpkg-buildflags --export=cmdline)" results in "configure: error: unrecognized option: -O2". Manually passing the output of "dpkg-buildflags --export=cmdline" to `./configure` by copy&paste works as expected though.
• 1852[17:48:59] <Slingsh2> What would be the correct approach?
• 1853[17:49:11] <johnfg> I was able to do: sudo a2dismod php7.0, and it worked; but then following with sudo a2enmod php7.3, it says: ERROR: Module php7.3 does not exist!
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• 1867[17:55:52] <EdePopede> ,v php7.3
• 1868[17:55:53] <judd> Package: php7.3 on amd64 -- sid: 7.3.1-1; sid: 7.3.1-2; buster: 7.3.3-1
• 1869[17:56:16] <EdePopede> not even in backports. johnfg, how did you get this one in?
• 1870[17:57:29] <greycat> I'm guessing "compiled it from up stream source".
• 1871[17:57:46] <greycat> But it could be that third party .deb thing.
• 1872[17:58:25] <EdePopede> that rings a bell. think i've seen this mentioned here before
• 1873[17:58:47] <greycat> Upgrading jessie->stretch leaves apache using php5, and you have to manually tell it to use php7 instead, so even if he used one of those outside debs, there may be another step required to make it use php7.3 just like the step when you upgraded to stretch.
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• 1876[17:59:17] <greycat> I haven't upgraded an apache box to buster yet, but I'm guessing it'll be that way on stretch->buster too.
• 1877[18:01:33] <johnfg> greycat: EdePopede: it was from deb.sury.org.
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• 1879[18:02:05] <greycat> Well, follow their instructions, or fall back to the same instructions you followed when you upgraded to stretch and had to switch apache to php7.
• 1880[18:03:18] <johnfg> Ondřej Surý says he's the one who maintains php for debian.
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• 1885[18:05:31] <johnfg> The /msg dpkg jessie->stretch doesn't contain the instructions for telling apache2 to use php7.
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• 1901[18:12:00] <greycat> I never said WHERE the instructions are.
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• 1905[18:12:23] <johnfg> Thanks for the suggestions guys, but I got it figured out. Somehow, after the other upgrades to 7.3, I had missed, libapache2-mod-php7.3.
• 1906[18:12:26] <greycat> I think I figured it out by trial and error, myself. How did YOU do it?
• 1907[18:12:48] <johnfg> I installed, disables 7.0, enabled 7.3, restarted apache2 and all seems to be good.
• 1908[18:13:07] <johnfg> s/disables/disabled/
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• 1910[18:13:41] <johnfg> I was just thinking earlier this morning that I need to take/make notes of what I'm doing.
• 1911[18:14:45] <EdePopede> that saved me a lot of work over the years :)
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• 1921[18:23:24] <jelly> does security.d.o have corresponding dbgsym repo somewhere?
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• 1925[18:25:11] * jelly trying to debug a crash in latest libmariadbclient18
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• 1927[18:28:44] <jelly> nowhere apparently, replaced-url
• 1928[18:28:45] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 1946[18:37:38] <johnfg> I've decided to stay with mysql vs. mariadb.
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• 1950[18:41:13] <jelly> but that's easy to to with the server. When the client library is possibly buggy I have to rebuild EVERYTHING that's linked against it
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• 1975[18:50:59] * jelly downgrades the library from stretch-security to stretch version and lo, the segfaulting bug magically DISAPPEARS
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• 1978[18:51:11] <jelly> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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• 2015[19:19:46] <mrl5> hi, so I'm old gentoo user and the question might be weird to some of you but can I install debian from tarball (just console env) and later just download GUI env?
• 2016[19:19:54] <greycat> !debootstrap
• 2017[19:19:54] <dpkg> debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. replaced-url
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• 2056[19:53:19] <sheen> Hi there. I've just changed a network mac address on Debian virtual machine, now no more interface is detected. I can still see my old interface with ifconfig -a. Usually for this problem, I need to remove old mac adress in /etc/udev/rules.d/persistent-net.rules. But there is no such files in my system. Help welcome :)
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• 2059[19:55:29] <greycat> Start with "ip link".
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• 2141[20:46:20] <scwizard> this Chris Lamb guy is really on top of backporting redis-server security fixes and I just wanted to say I appreciate his good work
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• 2150[20:53:48] <mandeep> scwizard: you can find Chris on OFTC as lamby
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• 2205[21:34:05] <anomaly> running buster. in the cli the white text is almost grey or a dim white. setterm --foreground white does not change it. the color itself works as verified by viewing a man page. this is a server machine. when I ssh from a gui machine the colors are fine as expected. anyone have suggestions?
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• 2208[21:35:03] <greycat> On the console, normal text is greyish, boldface text is bright white.
• 2209[21:35:15] <greycat> Man pages have boldface and underlined text, generally, so you're probably just seeing the boldface.
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• 2212[21:37:14] <anomaly> greycat I have a mild visual impairment so this is a bit hard to read. is there not a way to change the console text? otherwise ssh from the other machine can do.
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• 2231[21:51:29] <dob1> hi, if I am on console and I have a file that start with characters that I don't have on my keyboard or worst with japanese / chinese whatever characters, how do you point at it? I was unable to use tab-completition
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• 2233[21:51:58] <dob1> for example I want to be able to rename it
• 2234[21:52:07] <dob1> but how to I type its filename ?
• 2235[21:52:11] <greycat> if there are english chars inside it, you may be able to match it with a glob like *tokyo*
• 2236[21:52:51] <dob1> greycat, let's take the worst case
• 2237[21:52:56] <dob1> no english chars
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• 2239[21:53:12] <greycat> Worst case, you move EVERY other file out of this directory so this is the only one left, and then * matches it.
• 2240[21:53:15] <dob1> I used mc in that case, then F6, it's the only solution?
• 2241[21:53:55] <dob1> good idea
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• 2243[21:54:56] <dob1> using something like qmv / imv from renameutils maybe too
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• 2310[22:52:20] <jim> what's the system of fonts used by debian, and how would I choose a font for general use, and a font for firefox?
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• 2321[22:58:32] <prokLight17> hello
• 2322[22:59:09] <prokLight17> someone knows if tp-link tl-wn722n run in Debian distributions?
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• 2396[23:52:23] <jcb2016> Can I install Debian onto a usb flash drive out the boot loader on the flash drive and boot Debian on any computer?
• 2397[23:53:02] <jcb2016> Put*
• 2398[23:53:53] <Sleaker> jcb2016: I think what you're looking for is live boot from USB
• 2399[23:54:19] <Sleaker> the answer is you can do that, but it's dependant on the system allowing for booting from a USB.
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• 2402[23:56:13] <rant> jcb2016: yes within reason
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• 2405[23:56:57] <rant> jcb2016: as long as they are the same cpu architecture and you will not be able to easily configure things like 3d graphics drivers for siginificantly different hardware
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• 2407[23:57:55] <rant> the live media can be a pita cause they take a long time to boot, are hard to configure, save settings/data, etc
• 2408[23:58:05] <udbert> hi
• 2409[23:58:10] <rant> I have many times just made a regular install on a thumbdrive
• 2410[23:58:15] <udbert> I'm not sure if I'm off topic, but Im going to ask anyway
• 2411[23:58:15] <n4dir> i thought more about the problem to make grub recognize the stick. I guess UUID won't work, i don't know if by-id works, but if it does, i guess that is a good option.
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• 2413[23:58:50] <n4dir> there sure is a solution to make it work, i did it very long ago, but forgot how exactly.
• 2414[23:58:50] <udbert> I captured some network traffic on my switch using tcpdump
• 2415[23:59:08] <udbert> but I want to replay the traffic, as it was, with the source and dest IP addresses
• 2416[23:59:12] <udbert> so I can do some testing
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• 2418[23:59:34] <udbert> can anyone give me a hint to what tool I should use... if at all possible to do that
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