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2 [00:00:32] <somiaj> so you want a windows vm. There are some
methods give a vm full access to your gpu so you can do such a
thing. Such methods are not easily supported in debian. Even sid may
be a bit dated on some of the libaries needed for this. But I'm
unsure, its been a year or two since I last looked into the details.
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4 [00:00:54] <jmcnaught> sudo -i
5 [00:00:57] <somiaj> but I use wow just fine with wine, there
are various patches you can add to wine to improve profrmance
6 [00:00:59] <jmcnaught> oops sorry
7 [00:01:00] <somiaj> jmcnaught: password:
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10 [00:01:15] <somiaj> jmcnaught: never mind my bad joke
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12 [00:01:28] <jmcnaught> somiaj: heh i have too many keyboards
:/
13 [00:01:49] <HicksD> tmroland: two gpus, one can be
integrated. Use virt-manager and set it up for pci passthrough.
Caveats are your hardware needs to support iommu groups and your gpu
uefi vbios
14 [00:02:30] <HicksD> but you can get native windows
performance in a vm (the perf hit is negligable even for games)
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19 [00:03:53] <HicksD> it's "easy" to get going
when you know how, but there's quite a few quirks depending on
hardware that may put a spanner in the works.
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24 [00:05:52] <HicksD> tmroland:
replaced-url
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93 [00:35:20] <tmroland> hi
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103 [00:38:39] <tobiasBora> Hello,
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106 [00:39:42] <tobiasBora> For some reason, mbsync failed to
sync with one of the mail servers of my university. I get an error
"error:141A318A:SSL routines:tls_process_ske_dhe:dh key too
small"
107 [00:39:57] <tobiasBora> (while thunderbird and co still
connect well)
108 [00:40:28] <tobiasBora> I saw on the internet that it was
possible to use RSA instead of DHE
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110 [00:40:49] <tobiasBora> and I'd be happy to use RSA if
it solves the problem
111 [00:40:59] <tobiasBora> However, I can't find how to
configure it using mbsync
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113 [00:41:04] <tobiasBora> any idea?
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117 [00:42:35] <tmroland> sorry, im not into this kind of stuff
118 [00:42:38] <tmroland> new to linux
119 [00:42:40] <tmroland> good luck
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136 [00:55:24] <HicksD> trying to rebuild the 4.17 kernel version
from source in stretch (using backported version) and the build
gives the following error after some compilation time
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137 [00:55:42] <HicksD> any idea what may be causing that?
138 [00:56:25] <HicksD> following
replaced-url
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233 [02:06:06] <HicksD> If anyone runs into the above, looks like
it was CONFIG_SYSTEM_TRUSTED_KEYS being set in the config from boot.
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262 [02:27:22] <psudo-greek-elec> Hello all, I have observed
something unusual and was wondering if anybody hear has seen
something similar, googling turned up nothing.
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264 [02:29:20] <psudo-greek-elec> after the screen locks from
timeout on the xfce desktop, when I log back in the password is not
hidden, as you type the password in the textbox you can see it,
instead of the dots that ALWAYS hide the text
265 [02:29:32] <psudo-greek-elec> any body else ever seen that?
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279 [02:44:57] <psudo-greek-elec> I say to thee again
280 [02:45:02] <psudo-greek-elec> after the screen locks from
timeout on the xfce desktop, when I log back in the password is not
hidden, as you type the password in the textbox you can see it,
instead of the dots that ALWAYS hide the text
281 [02:45:06] <psudo-greek-elec> any body else ever seen that?
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348 [03:33:31] <xavier_> hello, i'm looking for an old game
(created eg 15-20 years ago), in 2D, you scroll around and you can
fetch weapons (no sound), named maybe xkill. you could transform
into other monsters (alien), and your goal was to survive. any clues
?
349 [03:33:59] <xavier_> you could take caffeine and it will make
you faster
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393 [04:18:08] <mason> It's all Greek to me.
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536 [05:46:37] <awal1> at which percentage of ram usage the
system appeals swap?
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543 [05:47:08] <lisbeths> how do I download the deb file from
this package:
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544 [05:48:54] <awal1> i still have 2gb of ram free; why swap is
used yet?
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546 [05:49:15] <awal1> a few mb but used
547 [05:49:35] <awal1> !ops bbaren1
548 [05:49:35] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH,
mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel,
zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall:
awal1 complains about a problem (see above)
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553 [05:52:42] <lisbeths> I figured it out
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604 [06:41:51] <COOurb> how to display full route table, with
metrics?
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612 [06:49:26] <jhutchins_wk> COOurb: ip route show, but I'm
not sure about metrics.
613 [06:49:49] <COOurb> well, it doesn't show metrics
614 [06:49:54] <jhutchins_wk> COOurb: route
615 [06:50:24] <COOurb> yep, but they all 0
616 [06:50:33] <COOurb> I'm just wanna know how how routing
works with VPN
617 [06:50:42] <COOurb> I have two entries with 0.0.0.0
618 [06:51:21] <COOurb> in Windows VPN route has lesser metrics,
so I think that's why it 'executes' firts
619 [06:51:30] <COOurb> first*
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630 [07:03:53] <iwkse> hi, any idea when bitcoind 0.16.3 is going
to be available on debian repos?
replaced-url
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639 [07:13:57] <jhutchins_wk> ,v bitcoind
640 [07:13:58] <judd> Package: bitcoind on amd64 -- buster:
0.16.2~dfsg-1+b1; sid: 0.16.2~dfsg-1+b1
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646 [07:17:27] <psudo-greek-elec> after the screen locks from
timeout on the xfce desktop, when I log back in the password is not
hidden, as you type the password in the textbox you can see it,
instead of the dots that ALWAYS hide the text
647 [07:17:29] <psudo-greek-elec> any body else ever seen that?
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656 [07:23:10] <psudo-greek-elec> after the screen locks from
timeout on the xfce desktop, when I log back in the password is not
hidden, as you type the password in the textbox you can see it,
instead of the dots that ALWAYS hide the text
657 [07:23:12] <psudo-greek-elec> any body else ever seen that?
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679 [07:45:01] <dka> I am using chrome, how can I prevent chrome
from having the wrong dns in cache? I am using chrome incognito mode
and it can go on a website, while the other is doing wrong dns
resolution.
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697 [08:06:53] <mdk> dka: have you checked
chrome://net-internals/#dns ?
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700 [08:09:04] <dka> mdk yes.
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703 [08:10:29] <mdk> dka: didn't helped? I no longer use
chrome but as far as I remember I had to close the tabs opened on
the wrong address before flushing, else the tab repopulated the
cache with the wrong resolution (are you speaking of a wrong
resolution, not a wrong resolver?)
704 [08:13:04] <dka> it appear that I have not added the dns to
public dns zone. And that I use a manual dns in /etc/hosts . Chrome
is ignoring it.
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707 [08:14:41] <mdk> dka: to check the zone you can use dig, like
`dig +short example.com @the.resolver`, the resolver being given by
`dig +short NS example.com` if you don't know it.
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711 [08:16:18] <dka> ;; connection timed out; no servers could be
reached
712 [08:17:17] <dka>
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719 [08:21:12] <dka> i think dig always bypasses the /etc/hosts
file, as it's a tool to query name servers
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725 [08:24:52] <luna>
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735 [08:32:11] <mdk> dka: yes dig bypass the /etc/hosts file it
was to check f you added correctly the hostname to the zone
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738 [08:32:36] <dka> how can I force chrome/ff to resolve with
/etc/hosts?
739 [08:33:23] <mdk> dka: as far as I know, /etc/hosts should
work too, a coleague of mine used it like two days ago
740 [08:33:53] <mdk> no special configuration, but I may miss
something that changed recently
741 [08:33:54] <jhutchins_wk> dka: Check /etc/nsswitch.conf, see
if hosts lists files as the first resolver.
742 [08:34:13] <jhutchins_wk> dka: You might have a DNS cache
program installed.
743 [08:34:23] <dka> hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return]
dns myhostname
744 [08:34:47] <jhutchins_wk> Ok, so that says search the hosts
file first
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747 [08:35:57] <dka> yeah
748 [08:35:59] <dka> that's not doing that
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759 [08:41:06] <`ani`> hello. does anybody in here know about
Taler?
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776 [08:51:52] <Ulrar> Hey, I have a problem with jessie,
replaced-url
777 [08:52:19] <Ulrar> On one of our VM, I assume the IP bloc
might have been banned ? It's OVH so I wouldn't be
surprised
778 [08:52:32] <Ulrar> But since there aren't any officials
mirrors for security ..
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782 [08:54:40] <SPF> Ulrar: works fine here when using apt
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784 [08:56:34] <SPF> though, it's very slow
785 [08:56:43] <Ulrar> SPF: Yes, as I said it's only from
one bloc
786 [08:56:57] <Ulrar> That bloc has been problematic from the
start, I assume it was banned
787 [08:57:09] <Ulrar> maybe the previous owner used it for some
bad things, I don't know
788 [08:57:39] <kerunaru> Same here
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790 [08:58:20] <kerunaru> Does anyone know what is happening? ^^U
791 [08:58:35] <at0m> Ulrar: ping on port 80?
792 [08:59:43] <kerunaru> No. It respond to ping but you
can't browse to security.debian.org
793 [09:00:32] <kerunaru> apt-get says "Failed to
fetch" for me...
794 [09:00:48] <at0m> using browser for s.d.o redirects me to
replaced-url
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796 [09:00:58] <SPF> I just tried again and now it's fast
-> Fetched 14.4 MB in 4s (3,023 kB/s)
797 [09:01:23] <at0m> works fine here
798 [09:01:38] <at0m> - the apt update, i mean
799 [09:01:42] <Ulrar> security.debian doesn't resolve to
the same IP everywhere, btw
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801 [09:01:52] <Ulrar> so we won't get the same results :
we're not querying the same servers
802 [09:02:05] <kerunaru> I'm not being redirected :S
803 [09:02:35] <Ulrar> No redirection, it's just a bit of
DNS trickery
804 [09:02:40] <Ulrar> It's explained on the site
805 [09:02:49] <Ulrar> So I guess you're lucky, your local
server is fine
806 [09:02:53] <Ulrar> ours isn't :(
807 [09:03:08] <Ulrar> But if I'm not the only one great,
guess I'll wait and see if it gets fixed then
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809 [09:03:31] <SPF> dns lookup should give you multiple
IP's to choose from, no?
810 [09:03:43] <kerunaru> I think now is working
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817 [09:09:00] <`ani`> I'm looking for people who have used
Taler.
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836 [09:20:35] <Srdeg> Whats the simple way to have my debian9 do
the updates/upgrades automatically ?
837 [09:21:01] <`ani`> are there channels specifically for server
software and economy?
838 [09:21:06] <Ulrar> Srdeg: unatteded-upgrades
839 [09:21:42] <Ulrar> configure it to send you an e-mail when
something goes wrong, then forget about it
840 [09:22:05] <Srdeg> Ulrar: thx i'll look into that
841 [09:22:50] <COOurb> haha, I get how OpenVPN creates routes
with no metric
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843 [09:23:05] <COOurb> it just adds 2 routes with /1 mask
844 [09:23:07] <COOurb> for 0
845 [09:23:22] <COOurb> for 0.0.0.0 and 128.0.0.0
846 [09:23:27] <`ani`> I need to know about Taler. the #taler
channel is completely dead, me trying to get a response for several
weeks now.
847 [09:23:33] <mpo> Srdeg: There's cron-apt: ln -s
/usr/sbin/cron-apt /etc/cron.daily/cron-apt
848 [09:23:51] <COOurb> `ani`: sorry, dunno about taler
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850 [09:24:18] <COOurb> Srdeg: crontab -e
851 [09:24:20] <mpo> Srdeg: that's if you want to have daily
updates.
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855 [09:25:04] <Ulrar> `ani`: don't even know what that is
856 [09:25:33] <`ani`> it's a software system for
transactional reports.
857 [09:25:41] <`ani`> economically focused.
858 [09:25:58] <`ani`> I'm trying to install it.
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860 [09:26:09] <`ani`>
replaced-url
861 [09:26:22] <kerunaru> "GNU Taler is an electronic
payment system"
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863 [09:26:31] <`ani`> yep.
864 [09:26:37] <`ani`> it's a GNU project apparently.
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866 [09:27:12] <kerunaru> It sounds like the libre implementation
of Paypal to me
867 [09:27:14] <kerunaru> lol
868 [09:27:25] <`ani`> you can use it for whatever transfer.
869 [09:27:34] <kerunaru> Interesting
870 [09:27:36] <`ani`> it's not locked unto a specific
transfer platform.
871 [09:27:45] <`ani`> I was going to use it for Bitcoin.
872 [09:27:56] <`ani`> I fail to install it though.
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875 [09:29:32] <SwedeMike>
replaced-url
876 [09:29:38] <Ulrar> `ani`: If it's been packaged for
debian, maybe email the maintainer
877 [09:29:50] <Ulrar> or see if they have a mailing list
878 [09:29:57] <`ani`> Ulrar: don't know, I just look for
anyone that has used it.
879 [09:30:02] <`ani`> I'm actually not on Debian. :)
880 [09:30:13] <Ulrar> Maybe post on serverfault, worse case
881 [09:30:38] <Ulrar> But if there's noone on IRC and no
mailing list, it's probably just dead
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883 [09:30:56] <Ulrar> maybe they moved to slack, that seem to
happen for some reason
884 [09:32:15] <`ani`> Ulrar: maybe somebody knows how I could
record a bitcoin transaction and just use that in court if
necessary?
885 [09:32:20] <`ani`> are there other alternatives?
886 [09:32:52] <`ani`> would be nice to be able to match
fingerprints of transactions.
887 [09:32:58] <kopper> SwedeMike: Like the package description
says, it's for security updates
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891 [09:34:37] <Ulrar> `ani`: Sorry, I have no idea
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893 [09:35:23] <Ulrar> You should ask somewhere dedicated to that
though, there's probably bitcoin communities, channels or
mailing list somewhere
894 [09:35:35] <Ulrar> They'll know more about that than
#debian :)
895 [09:35:46] <`ani`> I'm banned in most bitcoin-related
channels.
896 [09:35:55] <`ani`> I'll see.
897 [09:36:34] <kopper> `ani`: Out of curiosity, why?
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899 [09:36:53] <`ani`> kopper: I need it to fingerprint
transactions and prevent money laundering and such.
900 [09:37:17] <kopper> I was referring to the fact that
you've been banned
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903 [09:37:21] <`ani`> lol.
904 [09:37:23] <`ani`> ask them.
905 [09:37:27] <kopper> But maybe that explains it
906 [09:37:28] <`ani`> I don't really care about it.
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909 [09:37:45] <kerunaru> Are you saying the mos bitcoin-related
channels are formed by delinquents? O_O
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911 [09:38:01] <kerunaru> /:s/mos/most
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914 [09:38:48] <`ani`> they are probably formed by people with
their own invented book of law.
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918 [09:39:14] <`ani`> what's a delinquent?
919 [09:39:41] <Ulrar> "(typically of a young person)
tending to commit crime, particularly minor crime."
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921 [09:40:05] <`ani`> probably not.
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923 [09:40:18] <`ani`> I don't think many people on IRC
commit heavy crimes on their spare time.
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925 [09:41:04] <Ulrar> Well deliquent means small stuff
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927 [09:41:13] <myoxo> Ulrar: I disagree with that definition.
When referring to young delinquents, it's typically written
"juvenile delinquents", non? In my opinion, small time
crooks can have any age
928 [09:41:19] <`ani`> who cares.
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930 [09:41:31] <myoxo> I do
931 [09:41:33] <`ani`> if you mean downloading eeeeeleeeegaeeeeel
music and videos.
932 [09:41:39] <`ani`> I don't give anything.
933 [09:41:40] <Ulrar> myoxo: We're clearly both French,
that might have a thing to do with the way we hear that word
934 [09:41:49] <Ulrar> but that was the google define: definition
that I pasted here
935 [09:42:17] <n4dir> there is a thing like illegal music?
936 [09:42:26] <`ani`> maybe they burn baguettes. that's a
felony in france right? disrespectful.
937 [09:43:30] <myoxo> Ulrar: Je ne suis pas francais, je suis
norvegien. Mais je parle la langue sivilisée. Au moins, un
peu.
938 [09:43:40] <Ulrar> depends on the amount of cheese you put on
it
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941 [09:43:49] <Ulrar> myoxo: Ah !
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946 [09:44:20] <kerunaru> Maybe I used the wrong term...
947 [09:44:41] <Ulrar> kerunaru: You didn't mean to spark a
debate about it ? That's unfortunate :D
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949 [09:45:03] <kerunaru> In spanish a person who breaks the law
is a "delincuente" so I thought it can be translate as
"delinquent" ^^U
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953 [09:46:01] <Ulrar> Well the word does exist, but I don't
think it's often used in english. It it used a lot in French
though
954 [09:46:22] <Ulrar> our politics love to call teenagers that
955 [09:46:22] <kerunaru> I see
956 [09:47:03] <kerunaru> And what is the general term for that
definition
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958 [09:47:18] <kerunaru> I mean, "A person who breaks the
law"?
959 [09:48:12] <myoxo> a criminal?
960 [09:48:12] <Ulrar> I don't know, probably something like
criminal
961 [09:48:18] <myoxo> crook?
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964 [09:48:59] <kerunaru> ...
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966 [09:49:20] <kerunaru> What the...
967 [09:49:22] <myoxo> I see
968 [09:50:04] <kerunaru> Am I the only one seeing random ASCII
chars?
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970 [09:50:28] <Ulrar> No, it was unreadable
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972 [09:51:14] <jolt> Somebody is running OTR on their chat?
973 [09:51:14] <myoxo> most of it was actual chars, but not
conveying any meaning.
974 [09:51:31] <Ulrar> jolt: That could be it, indeed
975 [09:51:41] <myoxo> What is OTR?
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978 [09:53:31] <jolt> myoxo: Off-The-Record encryption, common
for end-2-end encrypted chats
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980 [09:53:36] <jolt> especially over IRC
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984 [09:54:02] <myoxo> jolt: I see, thanks
985 [09:54:29] <Srdeg> I see inside a file that is commented with
// instead of #. is that normal ?
986 [09:55:05] <jolt> Srdeg: Depends on the language
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988 [09:55:45] <Srdeg> jolt: its a file...
/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades
989 [09:56:20] <Srdeg> so i am right to assume that to uncomment
stuff there i need to delete the //
990 [09:56:27] <jolt> Srdeg: // and # are the most common comment
styles. So yes, remove // to uncomment
991 [09:56:29] <Srdeg> ?
992 [09:56:42] <Srdeg> jolt: great thx
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1038 [10:18:45] <Srdeg> How do I setup UnattendedUpgrades to send
me emails ?
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1040 [10:21:13] <kopper> Srdeg:
replaced-url
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1044 [10:23:13] <Srdeg> kopper: yes but there doesnt explain how
to setup the email part
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1046 [10:24:13] <Srdeg> kopper: i have installed bsd-mailx. but i
cant find a guide as how to set uo the email and get it to work
1047 [10:25:12] <kopper> Apt part of the setup is explained there
adeqately, if you read it.
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1049 [10:25:39] <kopper> I have no idea about bsd-mailx, I use
exim4
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1056 [10:28:19] <Ulrar> We just install postfix everywhere
1057 [10:28:21] <Ulrar> it just works
1058 [10:28:34] <Ulrar> Srdeg: So, a lot of options, clearly
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1077 [10:39:34] <Ticho_> someone did a dd if=/dev/urandom
of=/dev/irc ? :)
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1082 [10:42:48] <Srdeg> I try to send a test email using bsd-mailx
and it just hangs, no output
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1088 [10:44:40] <colo-work> Srdeg, how do you invoke it?
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1096 [10:47:57] <Srdeg> colo-work: /usr/bin/mailx -s
"testing" "tommasd@yahoo.es"
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1099 [10:48:20] <colo-work> Srdeg, it expects your mail body on
stdin now
1100 [10:48:30] <colo-work> type something, and hit Ctrl+D
1101 [10:48:38] <colo-work> that should send the mail on its way
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1107 [10:50:03] <Srdeg> colo-work: it still hangs
1108 [10:50:27] <colo-work> does echo "hi there" |
/usr/bin/mailx -s "testing" "tommasd@yahoo.es"
1109 [10:50:29] <colo-work> also hang?
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1112 [10:51:41] <Srdeg> colo-work: it didnt, i am yet to receive
the message i my inbox
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1114 [10:52:02] <colo-work> does it still "hang", that
is my question. NOTHING about the intended recipient side, yet.
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1116 [10:52:13] <JustASlacker> anybody having trouble updating
openjdk-8-jre/jdk because it conflicts with ca-certificates-java ?
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1119 [10:52:27] <petn-randall> Srdeg: Did you accidentally hit
ctrl+s? That freezes the terminal and you need to let it run again
with ctrl+q.
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1123 [10:52:56] <Srdeg> colo-work: i answered that i didnt hang,
that one went through
1124 [10:53:18] <colo-work> then you're supposed to look into
your MTA's log now
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1126 [10:53:24] <colo-work> and figure out if it could deliver
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1131 [10:54:16] <Srdeg> colo-work: MTA's log ?
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1139 [10:56:05] <hos7ein> a
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1141 [10:56:13] <Srdeg> colo-work: how do i look into MTA's
log ?
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1143 [10:56:52] <colo-work> it's probably going to end up in
/var/log/mail.log. also, you should consult a generic howto that
concerns itself with basic operation of a GNU/Linux system, and mail
server software in particular.
1144 [10:58:02] <Srdeg> colo-work: /var/log/mail.log is all blank
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1149 [11:00:06] <jolt> Srdeg: depends on which MTA you use. Exim
is default, and it uses /var/log/exim/mainlog
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1151 [11:00:52] <Srdeg> jolt: bsd-mailx
1152 [11:01:16] <jolt> Srdeg: thats a mail sending client, not a
Mail Transfer Agent
1153 [11:01:42] <Srdeg> jolt: how do i know which MTA do i have ?
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1156 [11:02:39] <jolt> Srdeg: I just said Exim is the default
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1158 [11:02:46] <jolt> Srdeg: dpkg -l|grep -i exim
1159 [11:02:55] <jolt> see if that is installed
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1162 [11:04:17] <Srdeg> jolt: yes its installed, however
/var/log/exim/mainlog is empty all blank
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1164 [11:04:48] <jolt> Srdeg: Well, then it's probably not
configured. dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config as root
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1167 [11:06:20] <Srdeg> jolt:
replaced-url
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1170 [11:07:24] <jolt> Srdeg: Well, it depends. If you gonna have
your own local mailservern, then the first, but I suspect you just
want to forward emails to some other email address?
1171 [11:07:47] <jolt> Srdeg: If the latter, choose "mail
sent by smarthost; no local mail"
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1176 [11:07:58] <Srdeg> jolt: i want the easy way to have emails
sent to my inbox when upgrading fails
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1179 [11:09:04] <jolt> Srdeg: In that case, exim4 is probably
overkill
1180 [11:09:40] <jolt> Srdeg: apt install nullmailer, it only
sends email out
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1182 [11:09:53] <jolt> Srdeg: and then you can remove exim
completely
1183 [11:10:24] <jolt> or if you still want exim, go throug this
insane amounts of steps:
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1187 [11:13:08] <Srdeg> jolt: done, i have just installed
nullmailer.
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1189 [11:13:54] <jolt> then just configure that and move on with
your life. I think it logs to /var/log/mail.{log|err}
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1226 [11:29:42] <pax> Hi guys. I´m looking for the command
"partprobe" but in debian 9.x it doesn´t exist. Is
there a command similar?
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1228 [11:30:40] <apollo13> apt-file search "partprobe"
is your friend
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1231 [11:32:36] <BenNZ> pax: partprobe is in parted
1232 [11:33:52] <pax> apollo13: thx and sry.....I have to install
apt-file :)
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1238 [11:35:46] <pax> BenNZ: perfect sry it is simple. :( I
solved. :) thx
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1252 [11:40:21] <nmg> Hi, I'm trying to access the git
repository for the package "check" but the repository in
the debian/control Vcs-Git field, anonscm.debian.org, is no longer
available. Any idea where I can find it?
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1253 [11:40:27] <conjunctivitis> anyone here who can help me with
a systemback installation issue? i can run fine from a live usb key
but after installation i get a blank screen after post (no grub menu
or anything)
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1255 [11:40:43] <conjunctivitis> i have tried several times to
reinstall grub manually and reinstall the system
1256 [11:40:57] <conjunctivitis> i am trying to install avlinux
1257 [11:41:17] <n4dir> did you edit fstab?
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1259 [11:41:25] <conjunctivitis> not manually
1260 [11:41:41] <conjunctivitis> i set up some options in the
systemback installer for various partitions
1261 [11:42:00] <conjunctivitis> is on one partition, /swap is on
another, /home is on a separate hdd
1262 [11:42:12] <conjunctivitis> *root is on one partition
1263 [11:42:28] <n4dir> if you don't even get grub, then that
shouldn't be the primarily problem. my fault. (make sure it is
correct anyway, once at it)
1264 [11:43:07] <n4dir> systembackup is a distribution?
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1266 [11:43:08] <conjunctivitis> yes i can't understand
what's wrong. is it possible it's a hardware problem? i
was getting persistent fs corruptions so i swapped out my old hdd
for a brand new ssd
1267 [11:43:39] <conjunctivitis> no, systemback is a kind of
backup and restore app to create live images and allow system
restoration
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1269 [11:43:53] <conjunctivitis> not focused on data so much as
distro freezing i think
1270 [11:44:22] <n4dir> lol.
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1273 [11:46:02] <conjunctivitis> n4dir: like if you want to make
your own restorable system image
1274 [11:46:06] <n4dir> conjunctivitis: you want to create a
live.iso as a backup-solution, including an installer ?
1275 [11:46:23] <conjunctivitis> n4dir: no, i use a niche-market
audio-focus distro based on debian
1276 [11:46:47] <conjunctivitis> the guy who maintains it uses
systemback to create the .iso image and for system installation
1277 [11:47:24] <n4dir> you might want to have a look at the very
unofficial refracta-tools. fsmithred is the "developper".
He is a friendly and helpful guy. - If you are happy with systemback
or don't want to go that unofficial: just ignore
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1280 [11:47:41] <conjunctivitis> i started getting hdd corruption
last week and my system was on a really old hdd
1281 [11:47:44] <n4dir> got a link for systembackup? sounds
interesting.
1282 [11:48:07] <conjunctivitis> in the meantime there's a
new version of my distro available so i bought a new ssd and have
been trying to install but i can't get to grub
1283 [11:48:42] <conjunctivitis>
replaced-url
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1287 [11:50:35] <n4dir> the site says "development and
support ended" ? Anyway, try to get in contact with fsmithred
(either at debianuserforums.org or in the #devuan irc channel). He
knows the subject in and out (compared with me :-) ). good luck.
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1290 [11:52:46] <conjunctivitis> n4dir: yes i will, thanks
1291 [11:53:13] <n4dir> ask again here too, perhaps. This is not
the most active time of #debian channel (still night in the US ... )
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1299 [11:56:18] <conjunctivitis> ok thanks
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1301 [11:56:31] <jcdutton> Hi. Is there any reason that
stretch-proposed is full of updates, but stretch-updates is almost
empty?
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1308 [11:58:04] <jcdutton> What i am looking for is any security
updates to stretch.
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1329 [12:11:22] <babilen_> dpkg: tell jcdutton about point release
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1331 [12:11:48] <babilen_> jcdutton: They'll be part of the
next point release
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1384 [12:45:56] <dka> I have a directory owned by root by group
developer
1385 [12:46:02] <dka> I am in the developers group
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1387 [12:46:10] <dka> why cant I extract my tar ? Permissions
denied
1388 [12:46:16] <dka> drwxr-xr-x 4 root developers 4096 Sep 26
17:42 .
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1400 [12:50:23] <n4dir> shooting in the dark it might be that the
root directory has permissions which give the permission denied
message? just an idea, i hardly ever run in that problem
1401 [12:50:30] <n4dir> dka: ^^
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1408 [12:51:39] <jolt> dka: only root can do that, You need
"w" to write as developers
1409 [12:51:54] <jolt> dka: so set chmod g+w on it
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1423 [12:57:03] <Haohmaru> dafuq
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1433 [13:03:42] <blackflow> someone's probing for a (new) irc
client vuln?
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1441 [13:08:56] <jolt> Yeah, it's the third nick with random
blabber in a couple of hours
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1466 [13:26:54] <jelly> dka: the group only has read and execute
permissions on that dir
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1470 [13:28:35] <jelly> dka: if you want members of group
developers to be able to create new files and directories there,
you'll want to chmod g+w, and more idiomatically chmod g+ws the
directory
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1488 [13:40:00] <iwkse> ,v bitcoind
1489 [13:40:02] <judd> Package: bitcoind on amd64 -- buster:
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1535 [14:10:04] <jelly> iwkse: you probably don't want to use
those from the distro
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1552 [14:23:08] <mrslaughter1775> Hello, I am attempting to
install Debian on my Dell Inspiron 7559. I've found a wiki
dedicated exclusively for said laptop, but it instructs to 'Add
the following line to the linux entry when booting:
1553 [14:23:08] <mrslaughter1775> modprobe.blacklist=nouveau'
How do I get to said linux entry?
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1556 [14:24:37] <mrslaughter1775> I'm booting from live usb
for now, because I have too much to lose on Windows. First I'd
like to mess with it from live boot and figure out exactly how to
configure the laptop to work (such as wifi and whatnot) so I'm
not stuck with an essentially bricked laptop (I'm deployed
overseas rn so it would be awhile until I could reinstall Win10))
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1571 [14:33:11] <Haohmaru> mrslaughter1775 i think that's in
the "default grub config"
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1574 [14:35:39] <Haohmaru> am i the only one who disables mouse
acceleration?
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1579 [14:36:10] <mrslaughter1775> Haohmaru, In my iso archive, I
have located "grub.cfg". This is what you mean, I presume?
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1585 [14:37:18] <jolt> mrslaughter1775: when you boot and see the
grub menu, then you can edit it, and add that line to the line that
starts with linux
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1589 [14:38:54] <jolt> mrslaughter1775: Press "e" to
edit, scroll down to the line that starts with linux and just append
that after "quiet" or whatever your line ends with
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1595 [14:41:17] <Zgrokl> hello is there a way to know the
macadress from the debian installer ?
1596 [14:41:18] <jolt> mrslaughter: to blacklist it permanenty you
can try echo blacklist nouveau >
/etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-nouveau.conf
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1598 [14:41:47] <jolt> Zgrokl: you mean while you run the
installer?
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1601 [14:42:01] <mrslaughter1775> I apologize. Barracks Wi-Fi is
trash.
1602 [14:42:17] <mrslaughter1775> I missed any answers that may
has been posted.
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1605 [14:42:39] <jolt> mrslaughter1775: at boot when you see the
blue grub menu, Press "e" to edit, scroll down to the line
that starts with linux and just append that after "quiet"
or whatever your line ends with
1606 [14:42:40] <Zgrokl> jolt, yep
1607 [14:42:50] <jolt> mrslaughter: to blacklist it permanenty you
can try echo blacklist nouveau >
/etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-nouveau.conf
1608 [14:43:16] <jolt> Zgrokl: you can execute a shell in the
installer, then run "ip l" to see all interfaces and their
mac addresses
1609 [14:43:35] <mrslaughter1775> jolt, When booting from usb? It
goes straight to a console screen though?
1610 [14:44:13] <mrslaughter1775> Hold on, let me verify.
I'll be back in a few minutes; Going to try to boot from usb
again and see if that grub screen pops up.
1611 [14:44:16] <jolt> mrslaughter1775: I don't know how
it's setup, but you should see a grub menu somewhere during
boot
1612 [14:44:35] <jolt> mrslaughter1775: or just add that blacklist
file and see if it works
1613 [14:44:40] <mrslaughter1775> jolt, :thumbsup: I''ll
give it a shot
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1621 [14:46:11] <Zgrokl> jolt, how, is there a shortcut ?
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1624 [14:46:38] <jolt> Zgrokl: I think you can just shift console
with alt+f<n>
1625 [14:47:15] <RoyK> or just alt+left/right
1626 [14:47:16] <jolt> Zgrokl: Otherwise when it's started,
press cancel and you'll get to a menu where all the install
steps are
1627 [14:47:33] <jolt> Zgrokl: and there will be a shell
something. If you don't find it you can reboot into rescue mode
as well.
1628 [14:47:42] <Zgrokl> ok thx
1629 [14:47:51] <jolt> (select it on the install thingie menu)
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1682 [15:15:11] <mrslaughter> jolt, Good news. I had to switch to
UEFI mode to be able to press e[dit] on the boot screen. After doing
so Debian launched correctly with no hangs! :)
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1684 [15:15:41] <mrslaughter> Now I just need to figure out how to
enable my wireless card.
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1688 [15:16:39] <DammitJim> Do you guys know if there are any
known problems with regards to setting up a Debian server as a file
server with samba shares and joined to Windows Active Directory
Domain?
1689 [15:16:49] <mrslaughter> Also, is it possible to make a live
usb installation persistent? If not I might either purchase a new
laptop for dev work or get a actual desktop so I can still game with
Windows.
1690 [15:17:06] <DammitJim> I have 2 servers I built where the
ACLs seem to be all out of whack and my users can't create
directories or read them
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1712 [15:24:30] <Brigo> mrslaughter1775, about the wireless card,
the problem use to be the lack of firmware.
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1715 [15:25:02] <Brigo> mrslaughter1775, why do you need to make a
live usb persistent? can't you install debian?
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1718 [15:25:47] <mrslaughter1775> Brigo, Of course I can. The
problem is that I'm deployed overseas and won't be home
for a few more weeks. If I mess up and can't get the wireless
to work, it will be a real pain to do anything.
1719 [15:26:45] <mrslaughter1775> I'll still have my phone
and be able to connect to freenode from there for help, but
that's pretty inconvenient. I don't want to have no access
to my Steam library for a few weeks.
1720 [15:27:09] <rafalcpp> it seems lib boost was recently
updated, where is a changelog? from eg
replaced-url
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1722 [15:27:27] <Brigo> mrslaughter1775, these images should have
the required firmware:
replaced-url
1723 [15:27:28] <mrslaughter1775> That's why I'm trying
to mess around with setting up the live usb first, before a
permanent install.
1724 [15:27:29] <rafalcpp> nm, Im blind
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1728 [15:30:16] <mrslaughter1775> Thank you Brigo. I'll try
to rewrite a usb with that image.
1729 [15:30:20] <Brigo> mrslaughter1775, i can't see a secure
way of installind debian or anything overseas.
1730 [15:30:36] <Brigo> mrslaughter1775, ok, good luck
1731 [15:30:41] <mrslaughter1775> What do you mean?
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1734 [15:30:51] <mrslaughter1775> Why would it not be secure
overseas, Brigo ?
1735 [15:31:09] <mrslaughter1775> I have access to wifi from a
military base.
1736 [15:31:21] <mrslaughter1775> Which I assume to be pretty
secure, though I could be wrong.
1737 [15:31:33] <Brigo> mrslaughter1775, so you and the computer
are together.
1738 [15:31:39] <mrslaughter1775> No reports of any issues though,
and I've been here for 6 months.
1739 [15:31:44] <mrslaughter1775> Correct, Brigo
1740 [15:31:45] <Brigo> then i missread you :)
1741 [15:31:56] <mrslaughter1775> Ah, okay. :P
1742 [15:32:36] <Brigo> you are installing debian and windows dual
boot
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1744 [15:33:21] <deadrom> hi
1745 [15:33:23] <mrslaughter1775> Well I'd like to, but I
originally planned on just making it my main OS
1746 [15:33:33] <mrslaughter1775> But I kinda do want Windows for
Steam
1747 [15:33:38] <deadrom> can I ask a hdmi attached display for
its serial number somehow?
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1749 [15:33:55] <RoyK> mrslaughter1775: you get steam for linux as
well, but not with as much games
1750 [15:34:18] <mrslaughter1775> RoyK, I understand. Maybe I
should see which games are compatible first.
1751 [15:34:32] <mrslaughter1775> May be able to get away with
making Debian my main OS.
1752 [15:35:20] <jolt> deadrom: maybe lspci,dmidecode or xrandr
--prop
1753 [15:35:20] <mrslaughter1775> I'm guessing this would be
the correct file, Brigo?
/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/9.5.0-live+nonfree/amd64
1754 [15:35:41] <jolt> deadrom: But I'm just guessing. I
don't have any terminals connected to my servers to verify.
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1756 [15:36:09] <Brigo> mrslaughter1775, if it is the live what
you want, yes.
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1758 [15:36:26] <mrslaughter1775> Brigo, Thank you for confirming.
1759 [15:36:43] <Brigo> mrslaughter1775, np
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1769 [15:42:06] <jolt> deadrom: or maybe it says in the X log if
you run some GUI
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1771 [15:43:16] <noodlepie> 🦋
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1775 [15:44:45] <jolt> deadrom: or looking around in
/sys/class/drm/
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1789 [15:49:29] <deadrom> jolt: ah, all the wrong tools and no
repos to reach out. i think I resort to "phone guy with remote
and read it off the screen menu for me" ...
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1791 [15:50:45] <jolt> deadrom: yeah, good question though
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1797 [15:53:40] <mmfood> I'm having trouble with my wireless
card on a macbook pro 5.5. I had it up and running for a while but
then it just stopped working. I installed and modprobed the b43
module, but it isn't loaded on reboot for one thing, and even
if I load it manually the card isn't listed in "ip link
show"
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1808 [15:59:00] <jolt> mmfood: add the module name to
/etc/modules, then it's loaded at boot. Maybe it needs some
non-free drivers to work correctly?
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1811 [15:59:43] <jolt> mmfood: Maybe this is relevant?
replaced-url
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1814 [16:02:41] <mmfood> jolt: I have the bcm4322 card so b43
should be it
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1826 [16:05:58] <mmfood> jolt: dmesg shows that the broadcom
driver is loaded now
1827 [16:06:20] <mmfood> still only the ethernet card in $ip link
show
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1837 [16:08:10] <Destiny625_> hi everyone
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1839 [16:08:48] <RoyK> ho
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1842 [16:09:37] <Destiny625_> somebody can help me to install
drivers?
1843 [16:09:41] <Destiny625_> manually*
1844 [16:10:50] <petn-randall> Destiny625_: It helps if you
explain you issue in detail, that'll save a lot of time back
and forth.
1845 [16:10:53] <petn-randall> !ask
1846 [16:10:53] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For
example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian
version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I
expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if
anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all
volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get
an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org.
See <smart questions><errors>.
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1850 [16:13:19] <Destiny625_> i have trouble while installing my
driver on kali-linux based on debian, i have the driver compressed
in .tar.gz so i uncompress it and change directory to the path
contains files of the driver, so i use the command make and the
makefile is not reconize i don't know why so can i have some
help please?
1851 [16:13:30] <petn-randall> !kali
1852 [16:13:31] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
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1854 [16:13:51] <petn-randall> Destiny625_: As you're running
Kali, you'll have to ask in their support channel. You can find
the info about it above. ^^^
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1857 [16:15:02] <Destiny625_> i hasked in their channel and they
sent me to deb comunity this is why i am here
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1859 [16:16:03] <petn-randall> Destiny625_: That is just wrong
from them. We can't help you, sorry. Kali is using package
versions that don't even exist in Debian.
1860 [16:16:45] <Destiny625_> arf okay, then sorry and thanks for
your time, see ya
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1974 [17:21:49] <jelly> petn-randall: #kali-linux channel by
policy shunts every issue not coming from their own specific
compoents to upstream, and Debian is upstream for most stuff. This
policy is incompatible with our own channel policy. (Trying to point
that out over there can get you permabanned, tho ;-)
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1977 [17:22:54] * petn-randall shrugs.
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1979 [17:23:16] <petn-randall> jelly: If they won't to put it
on their users, it's their problem. *We* care about our users.
1980 [17:23:17] <jelly> bouncing users to and fro is unfortunate
and bad form for everyone involved
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1984 [17:24:55] <jelly> so when it turns out a user is running
Kali, I try to ask them to at least reproduce the issue in Debian
and then they can get help here
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1987 [17:25:49] <petn-randall> Well, Kali is currently *some*
snapshot from testing at some point in time. So they'd have to
do quite some work to reproduce it, yes.
1988 [17:25:50] <jelly> conveniently for us, it's an offer
seldom taken but... eh
1989 [17:26:35] <jelly> if I were a newbie and psuhed around that
way I wouldn't think anything good about any of the parties
involved
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2018 [17:36:12] <Parulidus> Hello! I joined this channel because
of a related question: Where should I report about issues with
software which I suffer in a Debian Stretch (stable) installation?
Should I report them or am I requested to first dist-upgrade to
"testing" because "stable" is kind of frozen for
non-critical bug corrections?
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2022 [17:39:47] <RoyK> Parulidus: better ask here first
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2024 [17:40:11] <RoyK> Parulidus: then report a bug - upgrading to
testing isn't recommended on a system you want to stay stable
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2026 [17:40:56] <RoyK> Parulidus: what sort of issues are you
seeing?
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2029 [17:41:19] <RoyK> sometimes it's not even a bug, just a
configuration issue somewhere
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2040 [17:44:56] <Parulidus> The KDE application Kmail, also
integrated in Kontact, does not write any text into the list of
emails being in a folder, when freshly installed and not at least
once having touched the Theme configuration. I found this also
reported on some Ubunut related forum, but by now did not find a bug
report, so nobody might care about this by now.
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2045 [17:46:24] <Parulidus> Once I enter this Themes menu and in
the Configure... Option I set some parameter forth and back, the
text appears and teh problem does not appear again anymore.
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2047 [17:47:30] <jhutchins_wk> Parulidus: First search for
existing bug reports. Add any comments to them. If none is found,
create a new report. If the problem is with Stable, report it on
Stable/Stretch.
2048 [17:47:41] <Parulidus> Another bug, I always have to click
twice, and sometimes even three times on the button "Send
Now". This button never reacts on the first strike.
2049 [17:47:43] <jhutchins_wk> !reportbug
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2051 [17:47:43] <dpkg> reportbug is used to submit bugs to the
Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. See
replaced-url
2052 [17:48:09] <jhutchins_wk> Parulidus: Be aware that since 4.x
KDE is expected to be broken.
2053 [17:48:30] <RoyK> Parulidus: sorry, I have no idea about GUI
issues - hopefully soeone else knows, or as jhutchins_wk says,
search bugs and report if you don't find any. If the same thing
happens on uubuntu, it's quite possible this is common between
them
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2055 [17:48:45] <RoyK> jhutchins_wk: does stable come with
packages "expeced to be broken"?
2056 [17:49:22] <RoyK> jhutchins_wk: if so - well - then stable is
broken…
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2059 [17:50:53] <jmosco> anyone have success/failure getting 2
external monitors on a thinkpad t480s with debian-testing? I cant
get it to work with 2 displays docked and undocked
2060 [17:50:57] <jmosco> so frustrating
2061 [17:51:11] <RoyK> !testing
2062 [17:51:11] <dpkg> Testing is a continuously updated release
between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed
<buster>. See
replaced-url
2063 [17:51:29] <jmosco> I tried it on latest stable as well
2064 [17:51:31] <jmosco> same problem
2065 [17:51:45] <jmosco> figured I would try newer packages to see
if the bug was in gnome
2066 [17:51:45] <Parulidus> Yes, I heard about the mess of KDE 4.
Actually running very old hardware I started with SparkyLinux, with
the Liqourix Kernel and LXQt desktop, after Debian and Gnome did not
perform sufficiently well. Then I used the "kwin" manager
inside the LXQt and it worked very well, then I tested Debian with a
minimum plasma desktop and it is fast like the LXQt. Now I checked
how KMail performs in comparison to Thunderbird and found quite
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2073 [17:54:15] <Parulidus> By the way, this is Plasma 5. And I am
impressed. It is no more slow as in the last decade. Plasma 5 in
Debian stable runs smooth like LXQt with Liqourix kernel. I was
surprised myself. Times are changing. KDE is a nice contender again,
in my opinion.
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2076 [17:55:34] <jmosco> I tried a live KDE image to test it
out...
2077 [17:55:36] <jmosco> same
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2090 [18:02:49] <maxzor> Hello, how would you passthrough your
screen output between two debian systems connected via usb c otg?
Anything handier than xpra?
2091 [18:03:10] <Parulidus> Another question: I tried in a
virtualbox to dist-upgrade from stable to testing, last week. KDE
Kontact in testing did not start error free anymore. Should I
already by now report those by dist-upgrade produced bugs, or is it
to early and this should only be done when freezing of the Debian
"testing" branch started?
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2100 [18:05:28] <jelly> Parulidus: ask in #debian-next over on
irc.oftc.net, and verify a) there are no bugs filed already, b) no
Qt or KDE related migrations going on
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2114 [18:12:44] <Parulidus> Thanks, I will also inform myself
there, before submitting bug reports to the wrong place.
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2176 [18:38:14] <siwica> What is the easiest way to set up a
private debian repository?
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2178 [18:39:21] <siwica> "Private" means the repository
should only used within a company. Any good resources on that?
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2207 [18:49:30] <johnjay> siwica: you need to setup a web server
then add the files that apt can understand i think
2208 [18:49:37] <johnjay> you might try
replaced-url
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replaced-url
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2305 [19:35:46] <askhl> Hi. I have debian 9.5 according to
/etc/debian_version. Some packages give me conflicts. E.g. I would
like python3.6 or 3.7, but it won't won't because it
depends on libc6 >=2.25 but I have 2.24-11deb9u1.
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2309 [19:37:16] <askhl> So is that an error in the packaging
system or do I need to enable something or do a larger upgrade or
..?
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2312 [19:37:46] <B4ND1T> Helo
2313 [19:38:03] <johnjay> askhl: did you upgrade from stretch?
2314 [19:38:06] <johnjay> er jessie
2315 [19:38:09] <johnjay> or install fresh?
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2317 [19:39:18] <johnjay> by the way i've compiled python3
before, it's not too difficult so you could try that
2318 [19:39:43] <askhl> johnjay: It was an upgrade
2319 [19:40:03] <johnjay> i've heard aptitutde has better
algorithms for package management so you could try that instead of
apt-get
2320 [19:40:03] <nkuttler> ,v python3.7
2321 [19:40:04] <judd> Package: python3.7 on amd64 -- buster:
3.7.0-1; sid: 3.7.0-7
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2326 [19:40:18] <johnjay> ,v python3.6
2327 [19:40:19] <judd> Package: python3.6 on amd64 -- buster:
3.6.6-1; sid: 3.6.6-4
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2330 [19:40:55] <nkuttler> askhl: you must have mixed relesaes
2331 [19:40:57] <askhl> johnjay: Interesting. aptitude does
suggest several ways of circumventing the problems.
2332 [19:41:16] <RoyK> askhl: what does lsb_release -a have to
say?
2333 [19:41:43] <RoyK> better use a vm or docker or something to
avoid mixing releases
2334 [19:41:48] <nkuttler> askhl: and apt-cache policy
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2339 [19:43:13] <johnjay> in apt-cache policy what does 100
/var/lib/dpkg/status release a=now mean?
2340 [19:43:24] <johnjay> the other 4 entries say 500 so
that's higher priority?
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2344 [19:44:17] <askhl> johnjay: aptitude does have some
suggestions for solving the problem
2345 [19:44:19] <askhl> will revise
2346 [19:44:27] <askhl> RoyK, nkuttler:
replaced-url
2347 [19:45:08] <nkuttler> askhl: try aptitude remove ~o
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2349 [19:45:35] <ChunkzZ> how can I update debian's kernel to
the latest?
2350 [19:45:46] <nkuttler> ChunkzZ: apt-get update &&
apt-get upgrade
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2352 [19:45:55] <nkuttler> ,kernels
2353 [19:45:56] <judd> Available kernel versions are:
experimental: 4.19.0-rc4-686-pae (4.19~rc4-1~exp1); sid:
4.18.0-1-686-pae (4.18.8-1); buster: 4.18.0-1-686-pae (4.18.6-1);
stretch-backports: 4.18.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.18.6-1~bpo9+1);
stretch: 4.9.0-8-686-pae (4.9.110-3+deb9u4); jessie-backports:
4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie:
4.9.0-0.bpo.8-686-pae (4.9.110-3+deb9u4~deb8u1);
2354 [19:45:57] <judd> wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae
(3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1)
2355 [19:46:27] <askhl> Hmm! I actually had debian
'testing' registered, but missed it because it was in the
apt subdirectory, not the main sources.list. The newer packages come
from testing. But I don't otherwise use testing. That would
explain the problem
2356 [19:46:33] <askhl> Sorry for the dumb question then
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2358 [19:46:35] <ChunkzZ> nkuttler, I'm on: Linux debian
4.9.0-8-amd64 #1
2359 [19:46:46] <RoyK> ChunkzZ: do you need a newer kernel?
2360 [19:46:51] <askhl> Now the question is whether I should
upgrade the whole system to testing.
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2363 [19:47:03] <nkuttler> askhl: what do you mean, you missed..
apt-cache policy would output it
2364 [19:47:11] <nkuttler> askhl: testing is awful
2365 [19:47:14] <RoyK> askhl: why do you need a newer versjon of
python?
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2367 [19:47:21] <RoyK> nkuttler: not as bad as Sid ;)
2368 [19:47:40] <nkuttler> ChunkzZ: well, newer version in
backports, if you really need it
2369 [19:47:49] <nkuttler> RoyK: it is worse than sid
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2371 [19:48:03] <RoyK> ChunkzZ: why do you want a newer kernel?
2372 [19:48:14] <ChunkzZ> I was curious RoyK
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2377 [19:48:18] <askhl> The package that I really wanted was
nwchem, which is affected by the same issue
2378 [19:48:24] <RoyK> ChunkzZ: then use a vm
2379 [19:48:36] <ChunkzZ> I have Debian 9 installed though...
2380 [19:48:42] <nkuttler> ,checkbackport nwchem
2381 [19:48:43] <judd> Backporting package nwchem in
sid→stretch/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies:
Build-Depends: libscalapack-mpi-dev (>= 2).
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2389 [19:50:52] <askhl> nkuttler: Actually I had already removed
the extra sources when running apt-cache policy
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2391 [19:51:26] <askhl> Thanks to all of you for the help.
2392 [19:51:27] <nkuttler> askhl: aptitude remove ~o will then
remove the testing packages.. if that's possible your system
might get back into a useful state
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2394 [19:51:51] <RoyK> ChunkzZ: read the changelog to check if
there really is something you need in the newer kernels - I guess
you don't
2395 [19:52:43] <askhl> nkuttler: I think it's in a useful
state now. None of the packages that refused to install are
available anymore
2396 [19:52:57] <askhl> For better or worse :)
2397 [19:52:58] <RoyK> then reinstall
2398 [19:53:02] <nkuttler> !frankendebian
2399 [19:53:03] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random
repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and
derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone
can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and
#debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about
<reinstall>
2400 [19:53:07] <RoyK> !sns
2401 [19:53:08] <dpkg> Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious
disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time
something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about
<backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than
upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
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2417 [20:01:40] <johnjay> what's the difference between the
debian reference and the debian handbook?
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2420 [20:01:52] <B4ND1T> Helo,i need some help pls. I just
installed a debian based os on my lenovo laptop . Everything working
fine but with my touchpad i cant copy+paste . Touchpad us working
but the right button works as same as left button . With keybord im
also not able to copy+paste. Ctrc+ctrlv or ctrlinsert+shiftinsert
doesnt work . Any solution pls?
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2427 [20:04:02] <askhl> B4ND1T: on my laptop, middleclick is upper
right corner of the touchpad. Might that be the case?
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2429 [20:05:45] <B4ND1T> askhl no
2430 [20:06:10] <askhl> B4ND1T: OK :(
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2456 [20:18:15] <jhutchins_wk> B4ND1T: That might be more of a
clipboard issue than a trackpad issue.
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2459 [20:18:43] <jhutchins_wk> B4ND1T: What apps are you trying to
cut-and-paste between? What happens if you do it completely by
keyboard?
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2463 [20:21:35] <B4ND1T> If i want to copy something from mozilla
or terminal or anything
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2465 [20:22:06] <B4ND1T> Nothing happen
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2467 [20:22:26] <jhutchins_wk> What release, what desktop?
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2472 [20:24:10] <B4ND1T> Gnome 3.30.0 ubuntu
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2474 [20:24:21] <B4ND1T> Kaki sorry
2475 [20:24:24] <B4ND1T> Kali
2476 [20:24:29] <B4ND1T> :D
2477 [20:25:28] <BCMM> !kali
2478 [20:25:28] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
2479 [20:25:57] <BCMM> (and ubuntu isn't debian either)
2480 [20:26:42] <B4ND1T> Based on debian?
2481 [20:26:52] <at0m> !based on debian
2482 [20:26:53] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have
software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't
and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare
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2485 [20:28:01] <B4ND1T> Ahh ok i undestand sorry and thank you
2486 [20:28:13] <at0m> good luck!
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2493 [20:30:31] <B4ND1T> I already asked this in #kali-linux and
they said i have to ask it here sry (
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2497 [20:32:23] <at0m> or maybe ##linux, that's more generic
2498 [20:32:27] <johnjay> classic buck passing
2499 [20:32:40] <at0m> johnjay: ping!
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2501 [20:33:04] <BCMM> B4ND1T: if you want to do stuff beyond
pentesting, i strongly recommend getting a distro that isn't
kali
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2503 [20:33:24] <BCMM> i assume it's at least somewhat good
at it's actual job, but apart from that all reports seem to be
that it doesn't really work properly
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2507 [20:33:53] <BCMM> (i mean no disrespect to the kali
developers on that, since they're not *trying* to build a
general-purpose distro)
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2509 [20:34:40] <at0m> right, crash&burn distro, rather
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2512 [20:34:56] <B4ND1T> I tried parrot too and i wanted to
install blackarch but without success
2513 [20:35:14] <B4ND1T> Thanks for your answer0
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2516 [20:35:30] <at0m> B4ND1T: i wouldnt advise actually
installing these pentest OS's, unless to a USB stick for
occasional use
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2518 [20:36:02] <at0m> B4ND1T: and far most packages they come
with are available for the "reguler" distro they're
based on, too
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2524 [20:37:43] <B4ND1T> Also it would be better to learn with
debian for example?
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2531 [20:39:01] <johnjay> B4ND1T: debian and fedora are the main
distros i know, i'm using debian now purely by chance
2532 [20:39:03] <at0m> B4ND1T: at least you'll get a distro
which has decent support and is heavily developed
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2534 [20:39:51] <RoyK> fedora is about as safe as running debian
testing
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2537 [20:40:01] <RoyK> I mean - fedora is basically redhat testing
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2539 [20:40:39] <jhutchins_wk> To be fair ubuntu has reassonable
support and wide exposure.
2540 [20:41:11] <side^effects> on a debian system with various
backported versions packages, can anyone recommend a method of
reinstalling the regular versions of all packages? hit a dependency
wall with a package, it's not essential but wonder if i can
revert all the backports to regular
2541 [20:41:34] <side^effects> the backports were all installed
via the regular `stretch-backports`
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2545 [20:42:04] <jhutchins_wk> I'm surprised to see Manjaro
at the top of the distrowatch list. I thought they'd sunk that
ship.
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2548 [20:42:42] <jhutchins_wk> !partial downgrade
2549 [20:42:42] <dpkg> This may or may not work for you, but if
you've got nothing to lose then try it: (a) change sources.list
(b) aptitude update (c) aptitude and then search for the upgraded
packages, hit enter on them, select the correct version (d) do the
same for libc6 (e) search for broken packages by pressing
"b" and then fix them in the same way (f) once you have no
more broken packages, hit 'g'. See <not available>.
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2551 [20:43:03] <B4ND1T> thank you very much
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2554 [20:44:01] <side^effects> jhutchins_wk: thanks
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2558 [20:45:01] <side^effects> this could take a while ... lol
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2560 [20:45:41] <side^effects> all backported packages have the
expression `bpo` right?
2561 [20:46:09] <johnjay> nixOS has very nice atomic package
upgrades
2562 [20:46:17] <johnjay> i wonder if that could be adapted to
other distros
2563 [20:46:28] <jhutchins_wk> side^effects: They should.
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2654 [21:40:48] <Akuw> i need to connect to mariadb from language
c program, i got fatal error: mysql.h: i installed dev package but
still get message
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2657 [21:42:21] <jelly> Akuw: what's the full error message
at build time? Start with the first one.
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2659 [21:42:59] <jelly> Akuw: which package did you install, which
debian version, and how exactly are you building your code
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2662 [21:44:21] <jelly> Akuw: looking at "apt-cache search
libmysqlclient dev" output, I'd probably first install
default-libmysqlclient-dev in Debian 9
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2664 [21:45:02] <dob1> hi, using the -j LOG --log-level 6 option
in iptables where I have to look for the logs? in journalctl -f ?
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2666 [21:45:36] <jelly> wherever logs from the kernel go
2667 [21:46:11] <jelly> before journald that would have been
/var/log/kern.log
2668 [21:46:23] <dob1> jelly, and now?
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2671 [21:46:56] <jelly> no idea, if I knew I'd probably have
said right away ;-)
2672 [21:47:19] <dob1> thanks anyway
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2692 [21:56:47] <dob1> why it has become more complicated insted
of more simple? last time I was trying to rename an interface of an
usb wifi dongle and it was a nightmare (thanks to predictable names,
very nice to have an interface named wlax0432523bc). Now with the
logs and journald...
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2706 [22:03:07] <Djomobil> Hi all, i've a problem with my
VPS, when my server start it's blocked on black screen with
this message : Booting from hard disk. Someone have an idea ?
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2710 [22:05:23] <at0m> dob1: maybe it was simpler before. but for
sure, there's a whole lot new that comes with systemd that, me
included, can't possibly have many years experience with. lots
new to learn with systemd. regarding the choice of the OS, who am I
to decide on such policies, I can only trust the management ;) made
the right decision in the long term
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2713 [22:05:54] <n4dir> or change the os
2714 [22:06:15] <at0m> for that? nah
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2717 [22:07:30] <dob1> atomi, not to critic anyone or the
community but imho the documentation is not complete, it needs more
topics. Maybe because the are a lot of new things as you said and
ppl start askings (and answering)
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2721 [22:09:09] <at0m> dob1: true, but to write these docs, you
need some critical mass of people who understand the subject
they're writing on
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2723 [22:09:32] <factor> Im trying to compile Linux headers
package. but get error about REPORTING-BUGS where is this file
suppose to be so I can make a dummy file to keep compiling make-kpkg
2724 [22:09:34] <at0m> that'll take time like for all of us
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2726 [22:10:01] <at0m> manuals, wikis,.. dont write themselves
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2729 [22:10:42] <factor> ahh found it in 4.4
2730 [22:10:58] <factor> seems to be missing nowdays in the kernel
cauisng problems for debian kernel compile
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2732 [22:11:03] <dob1> at0m, it takes time, I know
2733 [22:11:20] <Djomobil> Someone have an idea for me please ?
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2738 [22:12:41] <at0m> Djomobil: that's on the bare metal? or
past the hyper visor, booting a VPS? (didnt know VPS had screens)
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2742 [22:14:32] <Djomobil> at0m: VPS, is a virtual private server
2743 [22:15:01] <Djomobil> but when it's boot, lock at
booting form hard disk.
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2745 [22:15:14] <Djomobil> i'm on rescue mode, but don't
see anything from logs
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2749 [22:17:37] <at0m> Djomobil: we're on a different page
here. where do you see that message? on some datacenter control
panel, or on the physical machine, or ?
2750 [22:17:57] <Djomobil> physical machine when i open VNC
2751 [22:18:39] <at0m> you VNC to a VPS which fails to boot? it
must be booted when you VNC, right
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2754 [22:18:51] <at0m> can you ssh to it?
2755 [22:19:11] <Djomobil> yes i'm on mode rescue
2756 [22:19:28] <Djomobil> so i can search in logs
2757 [22:19:34] <Djomobil> but don't find anything
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2760 [22:21:20] <Djomobil> at0m: can i pm u ?
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2762 [22:21:48] <at0m> Djomobil: sure, but that's not going
to solve your issue
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2836 [23:00:55] <kruug> Is there a way to convince an (amd64)
package to run on (armhf)?
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2839 [23:02:13] <johnjay> use qemu-system-x86_64?
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2842 [23:03:32] <kruug> That would be fun. The program I'm
trying to install runs QEMU to emulate an arm system.
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2849 [23:04:48] <RoyK> kruug: or just get the source and build the
package for whatever arch you have
2850 [23:04:59] <RoyK> kruug: Use the source, Luke…
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2855 [23:06:15] <RoyK> kruug: what sort of program is this, btw?
2856 [23:06:19] <kruug>
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2857 [23:07:05] <kruug> I want to run Audible on an RPi using
Raspbian. Since Audible doesn't have a Linux program, I thought
I would find a way to run the Android version on top of Linux.
2858 [23:08:08] <at0m> kruug: apt show anbox
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2862 [23:08:48] <kruug> at0m: tried it. Doesn't work.
2863 [23:09:03] <at0m> did you ask in #raspbian?
2864 [23:09:06] <kruug> at0m: anbox won't even start properly
on the Pi.
2865 [23:09:13] <kruug> I did not. Wasn't aware of the
different channel
2866 [23:11:02] <at0m> and if they have an .apk, you'll
probably find an arm package instead of the amd64
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2869 [23:11:43] <kruug> Audible has an apk, shashlik does not, nor
does it have an arm package.
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2873 [23:13:01] <valerius> !country .gl
2874 [23:13:01] <dpkg> Country codes are at
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2916 [23:39:34] <format_c> Hi folks, I'm trying to make my
experiences of a IPv6-only Internet connectivity. For that,
I've just commeted out the iface ... inet dhcp command and left
the iface ... inet6 auto alone.
2917 [23:40:14] <format_c> Unfortunately my /etc/resolv.conf
doesn't get updated even though, my v6 router sends this option
in the ND/RA message.
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2919 [23:40:46] <format_c> Is there a sysctl flag I've to set
to get the resolv.conf updated by the kernel?
2920 [23:41:12] <format_c> or whatever would be responsible when
the DNS server is signaled via the RA..
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2927 [23:46:00] <jhutchins_wk> !ipv6
2928 [23:46:00] <dpkg> Internet Protocol version 6 (IPv6) is the
next-generation IP version designed to replace IPv4. Available in
Debian since <potato>, full IPv6 support was a release goal
for Squeeze.
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2929 [23:46:14] <jhutchins_wk> There's a lot that isn't
implemented yet in ipv6.
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2936 [23:49:08] <format_c> The first URL
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2937 [23:49:26] <format_c> sorry the second URL.
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2943 [23:51:36] <format_c> Let me jump over to the ipv6 debian
channel. Wasn't aware this is existing....
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2947 [23:52:32] <format_c> Haha. in #debian-ipv6 I can answer my
questions myself ...
2948 [23:52:50] <format_c> I think I'm going to file a bug
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