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6[00:02:18] <Bjornn> I guess it's all good.
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8[00:02:48] <eamanu> Hello everybody, I am searching a deep explaination of debian/rules file for packaging but I am failed with that. I am particular interest to know the variables existing and what is the workflows... Anybody could help me, please?
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16[00:06:48] <ChmEarl> eamanu, its a gnu makefile with shebang: #!/usr/bin/make -f
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21[00:09:20] <ChmEarl> eamanu, most recent debian/rules will have a catch-all:%: dh $@
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24[00:10:06] <eamanu> ChmEarl Thanks. I am packaging a perl module, and I need to move a file from /usr/lib/perl5/<PACKAGE>/<interest-file> /usr/share/doc/
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28[00:10:26] <ChmEarl> eamanu, man dh_install
29[00:11:13] <eamanu> But I run that literally, after dh_auto_install (on override_dh_auto_install), the sbuild -s -A fail
30[00:11:45] <SerajewelKS> is there some tool one can use in a pipeline to buffer input? something like it creates a file and writes the input into the file. then it streams the file to the output (at the same time) making sparse file holes when it completes a chunk.
31[00:11:58] <SerajewelKS> the idea being to allow the left side of the pipeline to complete as fast as possible
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35[00:12:33] <SerajewelKS> while only using the disk space necessary to store what the left side has produced but the right side hasn't consumed
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37[00:14:23] <SerajewelKS> *sigh* of course i find it after asking. mbuffer
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68[00:32:11] <Bjornn> done that.
69[00:32:29] <Bjornn> it's all good
70[00:32:34] <Bjornn> we all learn as we go
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73[00:33:14] <Bjornn> and I'm talking to myself.
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75[00:33:34] <Bjornn> oh, no I'm not.
76[00:33:35] <Bjornn> haha
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93[00:43:53] <ryouma> SerajewelKS: sparse files are understood by pipes? O.o)
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117[01:02:18] <Jmabsd> can I remove the password from a dm-crypt volume?
118[01:02:32] <Jmabsd> so it will stop asking at boot.
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164[01:44:11] <chocolate> a=1; for i in *.jpg; do new=$(printf "%04d.jpg" "$a"); do mv -i -- "$i" "$new";
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168[01:44:57] <chocolate> a=1; for i in *.jpg; do new=$(printf "%04d.jpg" "$a"); do mv -i -- "$i" "$new"; let a=a+1; done
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170[01:45:15] <chocolate> does it work to rename files in a folder to sequential numbers?
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188[01:59:31] <bolt> chocolate: you don't want the second "do"
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190[02:00:53] <chocolate> and supposing it is a video sequence of frames... will it lose the order?
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194[02:01:09] <bolt> chocolate: a=1; for i in *.jpg; do new=$(printf "%04d.jpg" "$a"; mv -i -- "$i" "$new"; $((++a)); done
195[02:01:20] <chocolate> ls | cat -n | while read n f; do mv "$f" "$n.extension"; done
196[02:01:23] <chocolate> used this
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198[02:01:35] <bolt> sure, you can do that
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200[02:01:40] <chocolate> But Im not sure if it lose the order
201[02:01:45] <bolt> but parsing ls is generally bad
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203[02:02:08] <bolt> what order? alphabetical?
204[02:02:13] <chocolate> no
205[02:02:18] <chocolate> the frames orders
206[02:02:34] <chocolate> it is a sequence of a movie
207[02:02:46] <bolt> how are your frames ordered, if not alphabetical?
208[02:04:09] <chocolate> numerically like this image6736.png-1024x.jpg-50p.jpg
209[02:04:26] <bolt> O.o
210[02:04:37] <chocolate> what?
211[02:05:16] <chocolate> start like this image0002.png-1024x.jpg-50p.jpg
212[02:05:34] <chocolate> get it?
213[02:05:50] <bolt> if you do something like 'find . -mindepth 1 -maxdepth 1 -name "*.jpg" | sort', do your files come out in the correct order?
214[02:05:57] <bolt> if so, use that as input to your processing
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217[02:08:59] <bolt> chocolate: i=1; find . -mindepth 1 -maxdepth 1 -name "*" | sort | while read -r f; do echo mv -i -- "$f" "$(printf "%04d.jpg" "$i")"; ((++i)); done
218[02:09:08] <bolt> given "sort" gives you the order you want, that'll work
219[02:09:13] <chocolate> bolt, yes it did perfectly
220[02:09:16] <bolt> note the "echo" in there, for debugging
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222[02:09:58] <bolt> chocolate: i=1; find . -mindepth 1 -maxdepth 1 -name "*.jpg" | sort | while read -r f; do echo mv -i -- "$f" "$(printf "%04d.jpg" "$i")"; ((++i)); done
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224[02:10:12] <bolt> i didn't have any jpg files handy, so my first example used *. sorry about that.
225[02:10:17] <chocolate> if it is not ask to much, could you type the command line... Im already tired to think, working all day long
226[02:10:35] <bolt> chocolate: i=1; find . -mindepth 1 -maxdepth 1 -name "*.jpg" | sort | while read -r f; do echo mv -i -- "$f" "$(printf "%04d.jpg" "$i")"; ((++i)); done
227[02:10:46] <bolt> remove the "echo" if it does what you want
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229[02:11:12] <chocolate> it is fine
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231[02:12:28] <bolt> cool
232[02:12:40] <chocolate> let me try
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234[02:13:31] <chocolate> you are good friend!
235[02:13:45] <chocolate> worked fine
236[02:13:49] <themill> (make sure you don't have any filenames with \n in them ;)
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238[02:14:35] <chocolate> there is not, thanks for advice
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240[02:15:20] <bolt> themill: fine, fine
241[02:15:21] <bolt> themill: i=1; find . -mindepth 1 -maxdepth 1 -name "*.jpg" -print0 | sort -z | while read -r -d $'\0' f; do echo mv -i -- "$f" "$(printf "%04d.jpg" "$i")"; ((++i)); done
242[02:15:31] <chocolate> is it language C ?
243[02:15:42] <bolt> chocolate: it's just bash
244[02:16:00] <themill> dpkg, bolt++
245[02:16:24] <chocolate> I didn`t know about printf on bash
246[02:17:18] <themill> "help printf"
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249[02:20:12] <chocolate> and if I use like: for i in *; do mv $i $i-2.jpg;done
250[02:20:31] <chocolate> it is still bash?
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261[02:31:08] <chocolate> bolt, sorry to bother again but the command actually list perfectly, but does not rename the files... it has the same name yet... what is missing?
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281[02:45:13] <chocolate> any help is appreciated
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288[02:51:08] <EdePopede> chocolate: you could add an echo in front of the mv so you'd see what would happen. and: always quote filenames, you never know
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454[05:21:54] <rwp> Bjornn, Excellent! :-)
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625[08:43:01] <rant> Jambo
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656[09:04:41] <cheapie> Wow, installing Debian to a hard drive takes ages. I suppose I shouldn't be surprised, though, as everything takes ages on those...
657[09:05:44] <Wulf> ages like in "5 minutes"?
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659[09:06:21] <cheapie> No, ages as in "it's been going for like 20 minutes and it's still on the tasksel step" :P
660[09:06:34] <Wulf> get faster hardware ;-)
661[09:06:51] <cheapie> I would, but I don't know where my spare SSDs (that are any good) are at...
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663[09:07:38] <Hooloovo0> cheapie, what hard drive?
664[09:07:55] <cheapie> Hooloovo0: Seagate ST2000DM001, "deep cover" (good) version.
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669[09:09:31] <Hooloovo0> huh, that should be okay I guess... if anything, cheapie would know
670[09:10:01] <cheapie> Yeah, the "shallow cover" ST2000DM001 was crap, but the "deep cover" version is fine. I also know that this drive is in good condition.
671[09:10:06] <cheapie> They're just not very fast drives.
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674[09:10:46] <rant> I have been using Debian about 17 years and I dont recall it ever taking more than an hour at most usually about 20-30min start to finish to do a Desktop Install
675[09:11:07] <cheapie> Yeah, the tasksel step is almost done. The install should finish right around the 30-minute mark at this rate.
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677[09:12:22] <cheapie> FWIW, I know this sounds strange coming from me, but I'm installing from a flash drive and not optical media for a change.
678[09:12:41] <cheapie> The motherboard in that computer has slightly-broken UEFI that won't boot in EFI mode from CD/DVD.
679[09:13:10] <cheapie> It *will* properly EFI boot from flash drives/hard drives/etc.
680[09:13:12] <Hooloovo0> I tend to have good luck with the usb netinstall
681[09:13:28] <Hooloovo0> so I don't have to deal with having to find a decent usb drive
682[09:13:34] <cheapie> This is DVD 1 dd-ed to a flash drive, since I had a DVD 1 ISO sitting around.
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685[09:14:11] <cheapie> That and Debian images are very fast to "download" with Jigdo here, as I have a Debian mirror on my network.
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687[09:14:39] <Hooloovo0> lucky, my uni killed theirs last year
688[09:15:04] <cheapie> Well, this being my home network, I can put whatever I want on it :P
689[09:15:36] <Hooloovo0> oh, lol
690[09:16:06] <cheapie> Install done, booted OK.
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693[09:18:54] <rant> well Debian has gotten a bit beefy lately.. but with 10TB HDDs going for like $300 now and 1TB SSDs going for about half that, its really no excuse
694[09:20:40] <Hooloovo0> I've fit debian in 512M easily not more than 3 or 4 years ago
695[09:21:16] <rant> yeah well Stretch all archs and sources is aout 3TB currently.. 1TB just to have source,all,amd64,i386
696[09:21:41] <cheapie> I only mirror amd64 binaries, and only stretch/buster/sid.
697[09:21:50] <Hooloovo0> oh, I'm thinking rootfs, not full mirror
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699[09:22:11] <rant> I was commenting on your Uni dropping the mirror
700[09:22:26] <Hooloovo0> but yeah, no excuse for UI at fucking UC to not have a mirror
701[09:22:40] <cheapie> 164GB for what I have here.
702[09:23:16] <rant> cheapie: you'd also need "all" wouldn't you? as there are a ton of arch "all" packages that any other arch's stuff depends on..
703[09:24:01] <cheapie> rant: The arch there refers to the dists section, and then the pool consists of packages referenced by it.
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705[09:24:20] <cheapie> So I get all packages referenced by the amd64 package lists, whatever arch the package actually is.
706[09:24:45] <Hooloovo0> I might take this up with someone in the ECE or CS dept
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708[09:25:00] <rant> cheapie: surely you must be pruning somehow..
709[09:25:17] <cheapie> I'm using debmirror, not rsync, if that answers any questions.
710[09:25:22] <Hooloovo0> seems like a thing that should be had for such a big research place
711[09:25:31] <rant> cheapie: replaced-url
712[09:26:24] <rant> Hooloovo0: you might hire a hitman too if you discover they're all using Ubuntu, MacOSX, or *gasps* Windows now..
713[09:26:25] <cheapie> rant: What makes you think that's only stretch?
714[09:26:53] <Hooloovo0> yeah, they're not all using those
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716[09:27:03] <rant> cheapie: doh :P
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795[10:30:16] <zmeu> hello, how i can change the boot order on Debian ? i edited GRUB_DEFAULT=5 but wont load , any advice, suggest?
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805[10:38:12] <zmeu> Warning: Please don't use old title `Debian GNU/Linux, with Linux 4.9.0-4-grsec-amd64' for GRUB_DEFAULT, use `Advanced options for Debian GNU/Linux>Debian GNU/Linux, with Linux 4.9.0-4-grsec-amd64' (for versions before 2.00) or `gnulinux-advanced-f88891ae-b347-4710-8406-48678ee10d95>gnulinux-4.9.0-4-grsec-amd64-advanced-f88891ae-b347-4710-8406-48678ee10d95' (for 2.00 or later)
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813[10:47:07] <zmeu> hmm it was `Advanced options for Debian GNU/Linux>Debian GNU/Linux, with Linux 4.9.0-4-grsec-amd64' :D ... i have another question now, why when i enable iptables firewall for ipv4 my server will crash in 10 minutes after i running the iptables commands ? what can be ? ( the source of iptables replaced-url
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817[10:49:30] <zmeu> [ 230.471832] conntrack: generic helper won't handle protocol 47. Please consider loading the specific helper module.
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821[10:51:23] <zmeu> [ 4.800650] random: 7 urandom warning(s) missed due to ratelimiting
822[10:51:38] <blackflow> zmeu: did you run update-grub after changing /etc/defaults/grub ?
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824[10:51:47] <zmeu> yes i fixed that
825[10:52:03] <zmeu> but i have another problem with the networking i guess ?! idk
826[10:52:16] <zmeu> because when i run iptables firewall cmds my server will crash in 10 minutes
827[10:52:22] <z8z> Any tip about a webcam working with the debian free drivers?
828[10:53:05] <zmeu> i receive this line after i enable iptables: conntrack: generic helper won't handle protocol 47. Please consider loading the specific helper module.;random: crng init done;random: 7 urandom warning(s) missed due to ratelimiting
829[10:53:13] <blackflow> zmeu: and if you don't use iptables, it won't crash?
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831[10:53:18] <zmeu> yes
832[10:53:23] <zmeu> iptables for ipv4
833[10:53:27] <blackflow> zmeu: is there a log entry before the crash?
834[10:53:42] <zmeu> i dont receive any log
835[10:53:45] <zmeu> just this line
836[10:53:56] <blackflow> oh wait..... grsec kernel?
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838[10:54:18] <zmeu> no it was 4.19.0-0.bpo.1-amd64
839[10:54:23] <zmeu> i didnt tested on grsec
840[10:54:35] <blackflow> well your posts above say grsec
841[10:54:42] <zmeu> gimme 1 minute to see if will happen again on grsec
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844[10:55:04] <blackflow> because if that's a grsec kernel, then you should complain to the devs. that things breaks a lot of things in the kernel, and is no longer supported anyway.
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847[10:55:42] <blackflow> so either you're paying for it, and so have paid suppor to ask, or you're running years old outdated code that's also very buggy.
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853[10:56:36] <zmeu> [ 905.637849] conntrack: generic helper won't handle protocol 47. Please consider loading the specific helper module.
854[10:56:42] <zmeu> same, on different kernel
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856[10:57:22] <zmeu> cmd: iptables -t nat -I POSTROUTING -s 10.100.2.0/24 -o enp3s0 -j SNAT --to extip
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874[11:06:28] <blackflow> zmeu: sorry, no idea what that means, and google isn't helpful eithre.
875[11:06:34] <zmeu> i know
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878[11:07:51] <blackflow> is there gre tunneling even involved?
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882[11:09:32] <blackflow> zmeu: some suggestions involve explicitly setting -p gre
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885[11:09:50] <blackflow> I don't have any experience with gre, so I wouldn't know myself.
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919[11:36:19] <zmeu> for the moment i didnt receive any crash, seems its okay with the new kernel
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921[11:36:27] <zmeu> linux-image~bpo crashed my entire server
922[11:36:30] <zmeu> ^^
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930[11:39:51] <blackflow> zmeu: if you don't have any meaningful log entries righ before the crash, I'd be willing to bet you hardware issues that are causing hard resets
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932[11:40:28] <blackflow> (those of the triple fault kind that just bzzzzzzzt *reset*! instead of trying to evoke handlers, that log issues)
933[11:40:30] <zmeu> i dont have because i am on remote and this crash isnt saved in any .log
934[11:40:49] <zmeu> but with grsec seems be ok
935[11:41:07] <zmeu> problem was linux-image 4.19.0-0.bpo.1-amd64
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1023[12:46:30] <nkuttler> shtrb: docker ps --filter 'publish=1-65535' ?
1024[12:47:08] <shtrb> sorry, I meant non docker tools. I expected ss/netstat to see that
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1113[13:47:01] <Jemt> Hi. I'm monitoring a log file (/var/log/php7.0-fpm.log) which results in "systemctl reload php7.0-fpm" taking 16x longer. Can someone tell me why? This is how I monitor the log file: replaced-url
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1115[13:47:33] <Jemt> So basically I run "systemctl reload php7.0-fpm && ./AwaitReload" - AwaitReload is the code I pasted on pastebin.com
1116[13:48:27] <Jemt> If I manually monitor the log file using "tail -f", I can see that it takes about 1 second to reload when AwaitReload is not running. But it takes about 16 seconds when it is.
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1123[13:51:20] <blackflow> Jemt: how are you measuring service reload time?
1124[13:51:29] <Jemt> blackflow: Wall time
1125[13:51:40] <blackflow> between which events?
1126[13:52:25] <Jemt> Well, I can see when PHP-FPM reloading begins and when it ends. And it takes about 1 second when AwaitReload is NOT running, and 16-18 seconds when it is.
1127[13:52:34] <Jemt> (I can see it in the log)
1128[13:53:38] <abrotman> consistently 16 seconds?
1129[13:53:55] <Jemt> Let me just check that
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1132[13:55:27] <abrotman> and if you're trying to monitor for a running process, I'd think there are better ways
1133[13:56:47] <Jemt> According to the log it just hangs for 15 seconds: replaced-url
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1135[13:57:48] <Jemt> abrotman: I haven't been able to find one. The service is always running - it's just performing a certain task that I need to wait for
1136[13:58:39] <blackflow> could be a consequence of that tail, something unable to take an exclusive lock on the logfile or something. which would be wierd, but one possibility. I can't think of any other relation between that script and log entry hogging for 16 seconds
1137[13:59:34] <abrotman> THere could be something looking for file handles on the file .. waiting for htem to clean up, etc ..
1138[14:00:08] <Jemt> Yes, that sounds plausible
1139[14:00:24] <abrotman> though, he's not holding the file open ...
1140[14:00:40] <blackflow> tail -f is, no?
1141[14:00:43] <Jemt> Not sure if my bash script keeps a file handler open or something like that
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1143[14:00:57] <abrotman> he's not using tail -f (in the script)
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1145[14:01:09] <Jemt> Correct, I'm using "tail -n 3" in the script
1146[14:01:13] <blackflow> ah, tail -n .... I misread
1147[14:01:17] <Jemt> :)
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1149[14:01:31] <abrotman> no, he said tail -f above, when he does it manually
1150[14:01:42] <Jemt> Yes
1151[14:02:08] <blackflow> yeah and my coffee depraved brain carried that into reading it in that script :)
1152[14:02:09] <abrotman> I asked if it was consistently 15 seconds, wondering if it could be buffering
1153[14:02:31] <blackflow> buffering was my first thought but that wouldn't explain the lack of it with no tail
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1155[14:02:49] <abrotman> That's why I asked "consistently", wondering if he'd just gotten lucky
1156[14:02:53] <blackflow> the diff is coded in timestamps really. buffering would just delay the entry
1157[14:03:11] <abrotman> you could strace it .. see where it's getting stuck
1158[14:03:13] <Jemt> The script seems to always output "PHP-FPM is reloading - wait for it to finish ($COUNT).." exactly 16 times
1159[14:03:43] <Jemt> It would only be buffering when reading the log file then
1160[14:03:57] <Jemt> I'll look into strace - I have no experience with that. Thanks for the suggestion
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1162[14:04:13] <blackflow> Jemt: oh waitaminute. I thought you were talking about the timestamp differences
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1164[14:04:27] <blackflow> that's why I asked, how do you measure the reload time
1165[14:05:10] <Jemt> Oh, okay. So the log stamps says 15 seconds, and my wall time says about 16-17 seconds. The "PHP-FPM is reloading.." message is outputted 16 times.
1166[14:05:14] <blackflow> (timestamps of those two log entries, "Reloading in progress..." and the next one
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1169[14:05:38] <Jemt> Yes, that will be 15 seconds in between the two log entries
1170[14:05:39] <blackflow> and if you don't run that script, is it also ~15seconds between those two log entries?
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1173[14:05:55] <Jemt> No, there is no gap. But let me just retry it to confirm.
1174[14:05:57] <abrotman> He said above it takes 1 second
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1176[14:07:20] <Jemt> There is a 1 second gap between the two log entries when I don't monitor the log using AwaitReload.
1177[14:07:21] <Jemt> replaced-url
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1182[14:08:08] <blackflow> Okay. Weird.
1183[14:08:15] <Jemt> Yes :-/
1184[14:09:38] <abrotman> if you check timestamps in the systemd logs, what do you see?
1185[14:09:49] <abrotman> in the journal
1186[14:10:15] <Jemt> Hang on. I do check that the log file exists (I simplified the script I sent you). I wonder if that makes any difference.
1187[14:10:31] <Jemt> if [[ ! -f $LOGFILE ]] ; then ....
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1190[14:11:29] <Jemt> Nope. Disabling that check changed nothing.
1191[14:11:36] <Jemt> Checking the systemd log..
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1193[14:11:54] <blackflow> the only plausible explanation is either exclusive file locking or some open handler check
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1196[14:12:12] <Jemt> Okay
1197[14:12:25] <blackflow> you should try to strace the fpm service, see what's going on. strace can do timestamps as well
1198[14:12:40] <abrotman> you could perhaps test this by having having your script lseep for a few seconds before attempting to read the log file
1199[14:12:56] <Jemt> Good idea. I'll try that
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1201[14:15:00] * blackflow wonders why would this be insufficient: systemctl is-active --quiet php-fpm && echo "FPM is running"
1202[14:15:04] <Jemt> Sleeping 5 seconds before accessing the log file changed nothing, unfortunately.
1203[14:15:14] <blackflow> (or whatever the actual service name is)
1204[14:15:19] <Jemt> Yep
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1206[14:15:37] <Jemt> Let me try that
1207[14:15:51] <Jemt> I'm pretty sure it always says is-active, no matter running or reloading
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1209[14:16:24] <blackflow> ah hmm yes, reloading is really just signalling a running master service, no?
1210[14:16:35] <Jemt> Yes
1211[14:17:09] <Jemt> And being able to wait for a service depends on implementation, as far as I know
1212[14:17:13] <blackflow> so wait, may I ask why do you want to run this test?
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1215[14:18:59] <Jemt> Sure. We have a shitload of scripts running on a server. These scripts can be executed individually or together - and unfortunately several of them needs to reload PHP-FPM. But, if two scripts both reload PHP-FPM, it will crash the process. So that's why. Obviously we could redesign everything, but that would require several weeks of work I think
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1217[14:19:29] <Jemt> Let me clearify: If a script tries to reload PHP-FPM while it is ALREADY reloading, it will crash
1218[14:19:58] <Jemt> An easy fix would be this: systemctl reload <service> && sleep 2 && systemctl reload <service>
1219[14:20:09] <Jemt> But I don't like that. Some day 2 seconds will no longer be enough.
1220[14:20:16] <abrotman> or a lock file that one is already doing it ?
1221[14:20:29] <blackflow> was gonna suggest that instead. use lockfiles
1222[14:20:43] <abrotman> I realize that may mean altering your "shitload" of scripts
1223[14:20:46] <Jemt> Hm, good idea. I already do that in PHP
1224[14:20:57] <Jemt> I'll give that a try. Thanks :-)
1225[14:21:15] <blackflow> actually, maybe the ExecReload for the service unit could be adjusted with a shim script inbetween
1226[14:21:50] <Jemt> Yes, perhaps. Thanks. Looking into it :-)
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1301[14:52:16] <dob1> hi, why there is not an official release of debian for raspberry? there are ports for a lot of architectures and not for raspberry ? there is raspbian but it's like an unofficial debian
1302[14:52:55] <Wulf> dob1: did you try installing debian with armhf arch?
1303[14:53:08] <shtrb> for starters it needs a blob to run (raspberry 1)
1304[14:53:27] <Wulf> blob?
1305[14:54:59] <dob1> Wulf, I found some faq about it replaced-url
1306[14:55:41] <shtrb> Wulf, a collection of bits
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1311[14:57:39] <shtrb> Wulf, acording to replaced-url
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1352[15:25:50] <BCMM> dob1: the actual answer to your question is that the raspberry pi is not an "architechture"
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1407[16:07:32] <Azrael_-> hi
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1409[16:07:46] <Azrael_-> how can i find out why a specific package has been kept back?
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1412[16:09:12] <Wulf> Azrael_-: try installing it, see what happens
1413[16:09:22] <Wulf> s/installing/upgrading/
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1416[16:09:57] <Azrael_-> Wulf: no chance to get some information before trying it out and possibly killing the installation?
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1418[16:10:35] <Wulf> Azrael_-: apt-get --dry-run update azrael
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1420[16:10:47] <Wulf> err... upgrade
1421[16:11:03] <Azrael_-> thx, didn't know this option yet
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1528[17:19:19] <pingfloyd> Wulf: what's funny is you can't do that with arch without breaking it, yet archies insist that pacman is a better packaging system lol.
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1561[17:44:51] <jhutchins> There's a "policy" command that tells you something about held packages.
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1564[17:46:07] <jhutchins> apt-cache policy <package>, apt-cache policy
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1568[17:48:42] <InvisibleRasta> hey guys do the 3 dvd's include every debian package in the repos?
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1587[17:56:38] <rant> InvisibleRasta: not even close
1588[17:57:35] <rant> InvisibleRasta: its maybe 1/5th of the entire binary repo
1589[17:58:21] <rant> InvisibleRasta: however the packages are weighted by the popularity contest
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1601[18:04:54] <rant> InvisibleRasta: it'd probably take 3 BluRay discs maybe.. but the whole amd64 binary repo would take 14 or so DVDs
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1615[18:09:51] <Bruizer> can anyone help me install my graphics drivers? I'm having trouble. I'm on buster and 4.19 - only 4.09 works though.
1616[18:10:16] <Bruizer> the spec of my system:
1617[18:10:18] <Bruizer> Client: HexChat 2.14.2 • OS: Debian buster/sid • CPU: Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU 330 @ 1.60GHz (1.60GHz) • Memory: Physical: 1.9 GiB Total (1.7 GiB Free) Swap: 2.0 GiB Total (2.0 GiB Free) • Storage: 10.8 GB / 2.1 TB (2.1 TB Free) • VGA: NVIDIA Corporation ION VGA @ NVIDIA Corporation MCP79 Host Bridge • Uptime: 3m 58s
1618[18:10:37] <Bruizer> idk what to install?
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1622[18:11:45] <usr13> Bruizer: replaced-url
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1700[19:02:15] <galaxie> So, I've setup a ramfs and have been quite happy with it for some weeks now (thanks guys), but now I suddenly realize I can't execute anything, even with the proper chmod permissions.
1701[19:02:25] <galaxie> Do I need to set some flag in fstab or what?
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1706[19:06:03] <galaxie> There is no noexec flag anywhere.
1707[19:06:30] <rant> galaxie: type mount
1708[19:06:47] <rant> galaxie: and there you will likely see a noexec
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1711[19:08:09] <galaxie> rant: Huh. It shows noexec. I guess that's a default then for ramfs? Do I set exec somewhere in the fstab line?
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1713[19:09:52] <johnjay> question, is mysql-client gone from debian now?
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1716[19:10:06] <johnjay> i only see mariadb but according to packages.debian.org mysql-client still exists in sid
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1720[19:10:26] <johnjay> i'm on buster but dont' see it in apt-cache search -n ^mysql
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1725[19:11:49] <SlidingHorn> johnjay: in that case it may be removed for a fix
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1728[19:12:24] <johnjay> ok. i thought maybe mysql was removed permanently because it said mariadb is an GPL alternative
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1738[19:18:01] <galaxie> Do I just add exec to fstab and I'm good?
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1740[19:19:33] <Deihmos> is there an iso for debian buster?
1741[19:19:46] <Deihmos> the debian website could do with some work
1742[19:20:07] <jelly> everyone says that but precious few do the work
1743[19:20:41] <johnjay> jelly: i just found out there are over 20 different Scheme implementations that exist
1744[19:20:50] <johnjay> there's no time for simple websites!
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1747[19:21:47] <jelly> !install testing
1748[19:21:47] <dpkg> Daily built <netinst> images to install <testing> are available from replaced-url
1749[19:21:51] <jelly> Deihmos: ^
1750[19:22:04] <Deihmos> at least i am not the only one to say that
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1770[19:34:23] <Deihmos> so ubuntu is based on debian unstable
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1779[19:35:50] <jhutchins> Deihmos: Not really.
1780[19:36:11] <Deihmos> i remember reading something like that
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1782[19:37:07] <jhutchins> Deihmos: ubuntu was originally just a rebuild of Debian. It's evolved it's own selection of packages and configurations, but still draws on some Debian source. It's somewhere between stable and unstable.
1783[19:37:26] <Deihmos> i see
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1785[19:39:04] <jelly> something like 30% packages are their own. 70% is typically based on a snapshot of debian testing or unstable, but that varies from ubuntu release to release
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1790[19:41:16] <jhutchins> Package to package as well.
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1793[19:42:14] <Deihmos> what version are you using stable 9.7?
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1796[19:42:39] <Deihmos> i realize a lot of the software is a bit old
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1799[19:43:50] <rant> Deihmos: the way I see it is the key difference between distros is their goals and priorities, you should examine those when you choose a distro. I chose Debian because of replaced-url
1800[19:45:16] <rant> Deihmos: there are ways to get newer packages as needed. For example I was using Mate 1.16 for awhile then switched to XFCE a few days ago I switched back to Mate but installed Mate 1.20 from backports
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1806[19:47:34] <Deihmos> i see
1807[19:47:43] <Deihmos> ill look into doing that
1808[19:47:43] <rant> Deihmos: one has to weigh the benefits of such decisions. I suggested to a user on OFTC this morning that they look into limnoria when they asked a question about eggdrop because limnoria has a more active support community. Asking something in #eggdrop you could wait over 24hrs for a response, #limnoria however will get a response in under an hour typically from the maintainer.
1809[19:48:03] <Deihmos> the server is running stable. i will test the unstable in a vm
1810[19:48:40] <rant> Deihmos: think a bit about what matters to you before you make decisions, and find the solution that works best within that context
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1813[19:50:15] <rant> Deihmos: thats certainly one option.. from stable you have official backports, you can often make your own backports fairly easily for some things, you can use chroot, vm, static packages like flatpak, etc. Each has its own pros and cons
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1893[20:38:24] <theteju> Sorry for offtopic question, Does anyone know, what channel should I join to get help with Android device issues?
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1896[20:39:17] <EdePopede> theteju: /msg alis list *android*
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1898[20:39:26] <EdePopede> nice list
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1941[21:01:59] <Kadigan> Hey. Say... what's the most performant virtualisation package I can use under Debian? I need to host a Windows installation, seeing as there's no Linux binary for a game server I want to run, and nobody seems to have figured out how to make it work under Wine...
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1947[21:05:22] <Kadigan> Okay, let me attack this from another side: what VM software would you -recommend- I use?
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1949[21:06:03] <Kadigan> I'm already familiar with VirtualBox, so I figured I'd use that - but that's the software I use under Windows, and there's possibly a whole world of Linux-centric VM software that'd possibly be a much better choice.
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1951[21:06:26] <zleap> virtual box runs under Linux, as does vmware
1952[21:06:41] <rant> I'd recommend you either try crossover/wine or not do this at all.. trying to run a game server which requires low latency fully emulating a computer and full OS is not going to bode well
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1956[21:07:06] <zleap> i have on;y really set up Linux in a VM, i don't really count dosbox running win3.1 as that was more a proof of concept
1957[21:07:13] <Kadigan> Yeah, except even the nice people over at #wine were not able to help me get going, and I'm all out of spare hardware.
1958[21:07:14] <zleap> only
1959[21:07:31] <rant> hence the dont do it at all :P
1960[21:07:34] <zleap> you can use winetricks to install additional components
1961[21:07:42] <Kadigan> (not counting a dual-core arm, but that doesn't even handle SATA yet)
1962[21:07:57] <rant> I have crossover 17 on here if you want me to test it
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1965[21:10:29] <Kadigan> Does CrossOver support running software that wasn't prepared to run under it?
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1971[21:14:51] <jelly> Kadigan: "support" implies they made sure it worked and plan to keep it working. So no. but it might work.
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1973[21:15:32] <Kadigan> Unfortunately, I have no idea how much work goes into getting the server working... I've seen people get as far as getting Wine to run it w/o crashing,
1974[21:15:40] <Kadigan> but they all claim the server never shows up in the game browser...
1975[21:16:04] <Kadigan> (and this on machines which already host other, fully working servers, so it's not like they didn't forward a port or something)
1976[21:16:13] <rant> Kadigan: well you can download a crossover trial and see or tell me where I can get it
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1978[21:16:21] <jelly> which game server?
1979[21:16:28] <Kadigan> Dark and Light, off of Steam.
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1981[21:16:39] * rant mehs
1982[21:16:40] <Kadigan> But like I said... I don't even yet know how to tell if it's working.
1983[21:17:08] <Kadigan> (the second one would be ATLAS, but that one is - as far as I know - MUCH more involved)
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1985[21:17:40] <bites> i doubt latency caused by virtualization will be a problem.
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1987[21:17:52] <Kadigan> I'm really not about to ask anyone to test it for me unless they already have it set up... That's mainly because it's decidedly NOT a "download and run" sort of affair.
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1989[21:18:36] <rant> yes.. I see that.. there are a lot of hits on google for people offering dedicated hosts for it.. one quote said 16EUR/mo
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1991[21:19:22] <Kadigan> If ARK is any indication, then there's a simple way to run it... but not test it, per se. If it's anything like ATLAS, then it'll take me a day or two to figure it out...
1992[21:19:37] <jelly> if I had to run windows I'd run it under esxi as hypervisor, not debian
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1994[21:20:07] <jelly> assuming noncommercial use
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1999[21:21:52] <Kadigan> Hoboy. That would also probably make me move my ARK dedics over to Windows, since I wouldn't be able to juggle 10+ GB RAM requirements on the fly on a 16GB machine...
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2003[21:22:25] <rwp> jelly, I am interested in this. I haven't used esxi before. What makes it the better option in your opinion?
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2065[22:01:47] <Ingvix> rant, did any secrets reveal themselves yet?
2066[22:01:52] <Ingvix> about the shares
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2190[23:06:05] <Soni> does apt (supposedly a debian tool) have any mechanism to specify min package version when installing? this would be useful for things like READMEs and stuff, I think they should include version ranges for packages
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2200[23:09:55] <fling> How do I autostart znc?
2201[23:10:04] <fling> Do I need a service?
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2205[23:13:12] <rwp> fling, People previously have used a user crontab with an @reboot entry successfully for znc.
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2207[23:14:02] <fling> rwp: which cron to install?
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2209[23:14:21] <rwp> "cron"
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2211[23:14:28] <fling> Thanks!
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2213[23:15:13] <rwp> Then see "man 5 crontab" and look for /\@reboot (quoting the @ since it is special.)
2214[23:15:42] <rwp> Other people have created a dedicated user for it and set up a full init startup for it. But that seems like a lot of work when I want it to run as me.
2215[23:16:12] <rwp> Basically there is no canonical answer. Different people do different things.
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2253[23:39:31] <daniele-> hi there!
2254[23:39:44] <klh> hi
2255[23:39:48] <daniele-> what’s the best way nowadays to create a minimal debian image to run in a container?
2256[23:39:50] <klys> h-hi
2257[23:40:03] <klys> debootstrap
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2272[23:51:49] <fling> daniele-: lxd launch images:debian/9 container-name
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2281[23:56:39] <Soni> can I `apt-get install foo>=2.0.0`
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2288[23:58:35] <fling> daniele-: sorry, should be lxc instead of lxd so -> lxc launch images:debian/9 container-name
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