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• 52[00:17:59] <ghormoon> toruvinn: regsrding the keepass2 crash, I had that too, googled up some workaround which I don't remember where I did, I'll try to find it again :D
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• 57[00:18:58] <SSD-newbie> replaced-url
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• 61[00:19:45] <SSD-newbie> But then again the laptop has 8 GB RAM
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• 64[00:20:50] <ghormoon> toruvinn: chanw the line in /usr/bin/keepass2 to: exec /usr/bin/cli --verify-all /usr/lib/keepass2/KeePass.exe "$@" (source replaced-url
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• 81[00:28:17] <ghormoon> toruvinn: I have the 2.35+dfsg-2 version though the issue is not in keepass, but mono. mono-runtime in my case 4.6.2.7+dfsg-1
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• 83[00:28:39] <ghormoon> also it didn't crash all the time, but often
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• 98[00:38:52] <donald_> I used to get many bugs so I reinstalled and then I still have this in boot logs replaced-url
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• 106[00:47:02] <BoldErea> How can I configure debian in order to be able to connect to it using Remote Desktop Connection (trought PuTTY, from Windows) ?
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• 108[00:47:23] <BoldErea> When I login to debian, I have a message saying: /usr/bin/xauth: file /home/cloudsigma/.Xauthority does not exist
• 109[00:49:23] <doubledutch> man xauth
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• 145[01:13:09] <fretta> "/msg dpkg guidelines"
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• 189[01:36:59] <mindcrimes> hi
• 190[01:37:16] <doubledutch> mindcrimes: hayo
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• 192[01:37:52] <mindcrimes> im using my debian terminal and I keep seeing question marks for special characters
• 193[01:38:00] <mindcrimes> is there a way to fix this?
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• 196[01:38:30] <doubledutch> Which terminal? The standard one? Maybe check out some UTF-8 stuff
• 197[01:38:42] <mindcrimes> using putty to ssh into my box
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• 200[01:40:21] <mindcrimes> this piece of text shows up normally on every box I use but for some reason this debian one is acting up
• 201[01:40:22] <mindcrimes> ┏(°.°)┛
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• 204[01:43:00] <somiaj> mindcrimes: mobaxterm is a little nicer at ensuring all the xorg forwarding stuff is setup
• 205[01:43:31] <somiaj> mindcrimes: as for your locale problems, type 'locale' to see what locales are being used
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• 236[01:56:28] <mindcrimes> changing to utf-8 seemed to fix it, thx
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• 261[02:08:19] <donald_> I used to get many bugs so I reinstalled and then I still have this in boot logs replaced-url
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• 263[02:08:36] <donald_> can you help me? please
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• 266[02:11:44] <awal1> donald_, which release?
• 267[02:11:46] <somiaj> donald_: what version of debian? Maybe mess with some of your acpi settings in your laptop.
• 268[02:11:59] <donald_> awal1: stretch
• 269[02:12:03] <somiaj> donald_: if you don't have any notiable issues, I would just ignore those.
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• 271[02:14:05] <donald_> somiaj sometime my computer is hot
• 272[02:14:14] <donald_> even when I do not use it
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• 274[02:14:24] <donald_> and I see the error at every boot
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• 276[02:15:10] <somiaj> have you tried to see if a newer kernel can handel the acpi of your system better, you can get 4.13 from stretch-backports
• 277[02:15:33] <somiaj> you could also go check your acpi settings and see if there are different modes you can set them in.
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• 281[02:16:54] <donald_> somiaj check acpi from the boot menu?
• 282[02:17:22] <somiaj> yea you machines firmware, you can also google those messages to see if you get any worthwhile hits
• 283[02:17:33] <somiaj> some machines call this setup, hit f2 when booting
• 284[02:19:26] <donald_> I am sick can we talk about that tomorrow?
• 285[02:20:43] <somiaj> you can ask questions later, but I would look for a setting that is somehting like non windows os or somethign like that.
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• 291[02:26:05] <awal1> replaced-url
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• 296[02:28:23] <vader> .msg dpkg guidelines
• 297[02:28:29] <vader> that's not what i menat
• 298[02:28:34] <vader> can't type today
• 299[02:29:06] <awal1> vade, /msg dpkg ...
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• 307[02:32:19] <vader> Yep, knew that, just failed. Thanks though
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• 392[03:36:59] <Dark> How To Use It?
• 393[03:37:07] <toruvinn> ghormoon, thanks, i'll look into that.
• 394[03:37:17] <toruvinn> Dark, a) install, b) use, c) ???, d) PROFIT!
• 395[03:38:20] <Dark> I'm New to Use Hexchat
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• 398[03:40:22] <Dark> Do any of you use the parrot security system? I have some problems from that, who knows you can help? thank you
• 399[03:40:38] <somiaj> !parrotos
• 400[03:40:38] <dpkg> Parrot OS (replaced-url
• 401[03:40:56] <somiaj> Dark: this is a channel for debian, if you want parrotos support follow the info from the bot.
• 402[03:41:44] <Dark> Okay, thank you very much
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• 410[03:51:54] <gunchyo> Hi. Wondering if it's possible to go Stretch -> testing without a full reinstall
• 411[03:52:01] <gunchyo> buster right
• 412[03:52:02] <gunchyo> ?
• 413[03:52:59] <gunchyo> and I suppose, how stable is buster compared to stretch? for a server?
• 414[03:53:15] <RoyK> !testing
• 415[03:53:16] <dpkg> Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <buster>. See replaced-url
• 416[03:53:58] <somiaj> gunchyo: testing gets very slow security support and there are bugs and api changes, which may not be what you want for a server.
• 417[03:54:22] <gunchyo> hm
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• 419[03:54:34] <gunchyo> I'm just getting some odd issues with a drive in the "Linux Media" tree?
• 420[03:54:44] <gunchyo> and felt maybe upgrading to a newer kernel might help?
• 421[03:55:41] <somiaj> you don't have to upgrade the whole system to use a newer kernels. You can get newer kernels from stretch-backports
• 422[03:55:51] <ChmEarl> gunchyo, I'm running Xen 4.10 in Buster with linux-4.14 kernel from unstable. Smooth as silk
• 423[03:55:54] <somiaj> these will have slower seucirty support than the offical kernel, but they are there is you need it.
• 424[03:55:58] <gunchyo> I do use them, but I figure... even newer?
• 425[03:56:08] <gunchyo> I run a ryzen system. there's a softlock bug that's causing issues rn for one thing
• 426[03:56:30] <gunchyo> and the media tree I just figure, maybe there's a newer set of development in a newer kernel? I'm not sure how LinuxTV and the kernel devs colaborate
• 427[03:56:33] <somiaj> gunchyo: I would just get the kernel from stretch-backports but keep the main system stretch for the stability/security support.
• 428[03:56:42] <gunchyo> as is currently
• 429[03:56:57] <gunchyo> albeit backports is still on 4.13 and buster is 4.14
• 430[03:58:00] <somiaj> backport kernels come from buster, but it takes a little bit before they are made.
• 431[03:58:05] <somiaj> I would expect a 4.14 kernel in backports soon
• 432[03:58:37] <gunchyo> nice ty
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• 440[04:03:00] <Andy888> Hello. I have a noob question. I just used apt-build to rebuild the world with custom flags. How can I make an install iso from this^
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• 453[04:12:58] <Andy888> Isn't there a basic Make script to build the world (or ports tree) into an iso? I saw options using remastersys, but I would expect a basic Makefile to handle this.
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• 457[04:15:52] <Andy888> And that asked, is there a similar tool to Poudriere for Debian?
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• 460[04:17:26] <teabagel666> //
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• 464[04:18:35] <teabagel666> ?
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• 468[04:21:01] <somiaj> Andy888: are you wanting some install iso or a live iso?
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• 470[04:22:34] <Andy888> somiaj, an install iso preferably.
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• 476[04:24:05] <somiaj> Andy888: replaced-url
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• 479[04:25:28] <somiaj> Unsure if using syslinux and the flexiable boot method and replacing the .debs in the .iso with yours would work. You could also build a local repo with your packages and install from the netboot install, which downloads everything from the repo.
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• 583[05:55:41] <bmarley83> os[Linux 4.14.0-2-amd64 x86_64] distro[Debian "sid" unstable] cpu[2 x Pentium(R) Dual-Core CPU T4400 @ 2.20GHz (GenuineIntel) @ 1.20GHz] mem[Physical: 3.7GB, 86.5% free] disk[Total: 224.4GB, 71.5% free] video[Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller] ether[Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8101/2/6E PCI Express Fast/Gigabit Ethernet controller] sound[HDA-Intel - HDA In
• 584[05:55:46] <bmarley83> tel]
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• 587[05:58:14] <Edu4rdSHL> Hi, anyone know how to setup correctly the pin preferences?
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• 589[05:59:18] <Edu4rdSHL> Im using the repo X and the repo Y. The repo Y is more update than X, I wanna that when i make "apt update && apt upgrade" apt prefer the X repo.
• 590[06:00:12] <nkuttler> !tell Edu4rdSHL about pinning
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• 597[06:05:48] <Edu4rdSHL> nkuttler, thx. What is the correct form for saving my config file in /etc/apt/preferences.d?
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• 599[06:07:32] <nkuttler> Edu4rdSHL: um. please do not use pinning
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• 601[06:07:59] <nkuttler> Edu4rdSHL: what are you trying to do anyway
• 602[06:08:13] <Edu4rdSHL> nkuttler, in only want it: I wanna that when i make "apt update && apt upgrade" apt prefer the X repo.
• 603[06:08:26] <Edu4rdSHL> Is any form to get it without using pinning?
• 604[06:08:56] <Edu4rdSHL> Im using the repo X and the repo Y. The repo Y is more update than X, I wanna that when i make "apt update && apt upgrade" apt prefer the X repo.
• 605[06:09:00] <Edu4rdSHL> I wrote that,
• 606[06:09:46] <nkuttler> what *are* X and Y?
• 607[06:10:42] <Edu4rdSHL> The repos, X = deb replaced-url
• 608[06:10:59] <nkuttler> Edu4rdSHL: that will never work
• 609[06:11:09] <nkuttler> just use kali if you want kali
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• 611[06:11:36] <nkuttler> if you just want a few packages, get their source packages and rebuild them
• 612[06:11:50] <Edu4rdSHL> nkuttler, i see. Thanks :)
• 613[06:12:09] <Edu4rdSHL> Im going to work with kali in a VM anyways
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• 660[07:14:25] <allan_wind> Anyone have a gps receiver hooked up to debian? I was trying to find an inexpensive way to get get stratum 1 on my home network
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• 668[07:22:44] <dondelelcaro> allan_wind: I've had one a while ago; pretty much anything which works with gpsd should work
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• 673[07:24:16] <allan_wind> dondelelcaro: how does gpsd and ntpd play together?
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• 677[07:26:16] <allan_wind> dondelelcaro: nice, thx, never heard of gpsd so happily browsing their huge list of supported hardware
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• 684[07:28:10] <dondelelcaro> allan_wind: yeah, it's the standard interface. I've actually never hooked it up to ntpd (network time servers have always been good enough) so I don't know the details, but in theory it should work
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• 769[08:57:53] <TehRabbitt> clear
• 770[08:58:01] <TehRabbitt> Evening :)
• 771[08:58:44] <TehRabbitt> so i'm trying to bring up an L2TP tunnel from my server here to a VPN server located elsewhere. it's not running IPSec, just L2TP. I can't seem to figure it out. I have the remote IP, I have the Username, and the password
• 772[08:58:56] <TehRabbitt> (as well as the IP my device should be receiving: 172.16.16.2)
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• 853[10:15:50] <rakor> The gui-program "Software" in gnome says there are updates to install. I install them, using "Software". After reboot I run "apt update" and "apt upgrade" and I am told there are Updates to install. Why does "Software" not install ALL updates available?
• 854[10:15:58] <rakor> Running stetch
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• 871[10:21:08] <HULGU> hi. for some reason my keyboard does not make use of the German umlauts signs (ö/ä/ü) on one of my debian systems, while on others it does. what could be the reason for this and how could I change this?
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• 879[10:28:14] <awal1> rakor, run apt dist-upgrade
• 880[10:28:24] <awal1> apt full-upgrade
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• 882[10:28:55] <rakor> awal1: Nothing to update
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• 885[10:29:18] <awal1> upgrade and full-upgrade have almost same effect under stable, since no new pkgs are installed, but who knows, maybe something is pulled
• 886[10:29:19] <awal1> ok
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• 890[10:33:28] <rakor> I am just wondering why "Software" do not update all packages, as it should use apt or dpkg in the background.
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• 914[11:00:55] <iflema> rakor: they offer different upgrade paths? Generally speaking you nned to grab apps in a snapshot of the entire system and updating things need some testing... its silly to blindly upgrade everything without knowing/testing the side effects
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• 916[11:01:50] <iflema> rakor: so somethings get held back for a while until they play nice or whatever
• 917[11:02:04] <iflema> line up
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• 922[11:08:09] <rakor> Hmm.. I'm running stable. Things should be tested. And "Software" is just a frontend I thought
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• 926[11:11:29] <iflema> rakor: use a terminal. It is a good idea to shutdown X when upgradeing as it can take out the desktop
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• 928[11:12:58] <iflema> its pretty rare but it happens
• 929[11:13:18] <iflema> screen locker or something bugs out
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• 931[11:13:48] <rakor> I dont have trouble to update. I was just wondering why the gnome-program "Software" did not tell me to update gimp, but apt did.
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• 935[11:14:30] <soul-d> be sure to still turn of dpms otherwise you still get scare of your life when screen blanks
• 936[11:14:35] <iflema> oh that thing... with the coffee?
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• 938[11:16:16] <iflema> whats it called again?
• 939[11:17:03] <iflema> rakor: what does apt-get say?
• 940[11:17:53] <rakor> apt upgrade told me that there are updates for gimp which I installed
• 941[11:18:35] <iflema> rakor: apt-get upgrade?
• 942[11:18:52] <iflema> too late now
• 943[11:18:55] <rakor> no. apt upgrade
• 944[11:19:12] <iflema> if yo use that who cares about the coffee thing
• 945[11:19:14] <rakor> (it does the same)
• 946[11:19:52] <rakor> Damn I just want to understand it...
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• 948[11:20:00] <iflema> i dont use it or debian... so...
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• 950[11:21:00] <iflema> rakor: do some howork and ask agin in 20min or so
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• 958[11:27:37] <iflema> rakor: you could attempt to go through the source code and maybe see what its doing
• 959[11:28:34] <iflema> or not doing
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• 969[11:33:01] <ongy> Hey, when I try to `apt upgrade` I deterministicly get an error for the kernel package. something about not being permitted to create a backup link for the System.map-<version> file. (I'm on debain stable)
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• 976[11:34:40] <Guest57506> Running apt-get upgrade?
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• 979[11:38:11] <iflema> what is this apt upgrade everyones doing... what derivative is responsable
• 980[11:38:34] <Guest57506> No idea
• 981[11:38:35] <iflema> is it not apt-gey
• 982[11:38:39] <iflema> lol
• 983[11:38:44] <iflema> apt-get
• 984[11:38:47] <Guest57506> It is
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• 986[11:39:10] <bazhang> iflema, apt install has been around for some time now
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• 988[11:39:21] <iflema> the common man stays away from
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• 990[11:39:29] <ongy> the derivative that provides the command "apt" is debian stable :)
• 991[11:39:38] <bazhang> iflema, no thats not correct
• 992[11:40:07] <ongy> and the apt-get version has the same error, just a bit uglier, because apt adds colours
• 993[11:40:14] <iflema> like i said dont use anymore... obviously changed
• 994[11:40:15] <Guest57506> lol
• 995[11:40:29] <Guest57506> You think you know stuff...
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• 1010[11:45:07] <noqnio1> I have a fresh stable install on a bumblebee laptop. When I change my sources to testing, dist-upgrade wants to remove gnome. Am I the only one?
• 1011[11:46:09] * iflema would say the same
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• 1020[11:53:46] <rakor> iflema: apt(8) has some subcommands (for some time). The way using apt-get and apt-cache is not intuitive. So the subcommands for apt are done. They dont have the whole functionality as the "old" ones, but it will be improved over time.
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• 1022[11:54:10] <iflema> dselect ftw
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• 1024[11:54:18] <rakor> I just use apt (install|search|update|upgrade) if I don't have the need to use something different
• 1025[11:54:20] <iflema> beat u
• 1026[11:55:02] <iflema> lol
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• 1030[11:55:53] <rakor> noqnio1: Will it install some new Gnome-stuff?
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• 1037[11:59:18] <noqnio1> rakor: Nope, it just wants to remove everything, even xwayland
• 1038[11:59:32] <iflema> i lke it these days when its broken up urpmi and dnf rocks and its like meh
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• 1108[12:49:39] <spacebug> How can I enable FUSE inside my unprivileged LXC? I'm on Debian Stretch
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• 1143[13:09:28] <noqnio1> How can I see why dist-upgrade wants to remove the things it does
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• 1148[13:12:44] <rkta> noqnio1: have a look at aptitude why | why-not
• 1149[13:13:57] <noqnio1> but how can I use that for the suggested upgrade
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• 1152[13:15:29] <rkta> you have to pick the packages manually
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• 1154[13:16:11] <noqnio1> Any more efficient way? It is hundreds of packages
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• 1157[13:17:00] <rkta> Hundreds? are you doing a dist-upgrade?
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• 1159[13:17:44] <noqnio1> yes
• 1160[13:17:44] <temy> noqniol: Are you upgrading from stretch to buster or buster to sid?
• 1161[13:17:53] <noqnio1> stretch to buster
• 1162[13:17:58] <noqnio1> and it wants to remove gnome and x
• 1163[13:18:06] <temy> What the heck
• 1164[13:18:12] <noqnio1> it is a fresh install on a bumblebee laptop
• 1165[13:18:21] <noqnio1> so it is not something i screwed up
• 1166[13:18:51] <temy> Looks like it has not been looked at before transferring from sid to buster
• 1167[13:19:30] <noqnio1> probably, and I'm trying to find out exactly what is wrong so i can report it
• 1168[13:19:54] <noqnio1> or at least find if it is known
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• 1172[13:23:03] <noqnio1> and aptitude upgrade seems stuck on resolving dependencies
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• 1174[13:23:18] <temy> Seems like the problem is unknown atm
• 1175[13:23:43] <temy> The sid and buster versions for the metapackage gnome are the same
• 1176[13:24:20] <noqnio1> It probably has to do with graphics libraries
• 1177[13:24:29] <temy> The same case too with most (most because I haven't looked at them all) X11 packages
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• 1180[13:24:45] <noqnio1> Cause it wants to remove the proprietary nvidia drivers
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• 1186[13:25:52] <noqnio1> for example libglx0-glvnd-nvidia exists in all suites while libglx0 starts from testing
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• 1188[13:26:04] <temy> what did i miss
• 1189[13:26:05] <noqnio1> and it wants to install libglx0 for some reason
• 1190[13:26:15] <noqnio1> but aptitude why doesn't say anything
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• 1192[13:26:20] <N3tD3vil> hi
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• 1195[13:28:09] <temy> noqnio1: I am going to try whether it affects other desktop environments like XFCE, which is what I use
• 1196[13:28:33] <noqnio1> how will you do that?
• 1197[13:30:01] <temy> By adding buster to my sources.list, apt-get update, and apt-get dist-upgrade
• 1198[13:30:19] <temy> I will not upgrade though, I will just see what changes will happen
• 1199[13:30:23] <noqnio1> are you on a bumblebee device with proprietary nvidia drivers?
• 1200[13:30:36] <temy> No
• 1201[13:30:42] <noqnio1> then I think you will be fine
• 1202[13:31:13] <noqnio1> if it was a general issue, it would be well known I presume. I have been affected for a month
• 1203[13:31:31] <temy> But still it would be worth checking, maybe it is a very serious problem we have discovered
• 1204[13:31:38] <noqnio1> yes, please do
• 1205[13:31:42] <temy> Oh, makes sense
• 1206[13:32:35] <temy> Yeah, it is downloading the package list for buster, 5 minutes left for a slow connection like mine
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• 1210[13:33:54] <noqnio1> for example it wants to remove libgl1-glvnd-nvidia-glx and install libgl1. when I why-not libgl1-glvnd-nvidia-glx, it states "p A nvidia-driver-libs Conflicts libgl1-glvnd-nvidia-glx"
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• 1214[13:34:43] <noqnio1> But libgl1-nvidia-glvnd-glx is listed as a dependency of nvidia-driver-libs, what is the conflict then
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• 1224[13:40:12] <temy> noqnio1: In my case, a lot of packages are marked as autoremove
• 1225[13:40:28] <temy> They are not removed through dist-upgrade
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• 1228[13:40:45] <jelly> or it's just testing during some migration or another
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• 1231[13:41:21] <noqnio1> temy: Then it has to do with bumblebee or nvidia drivers
• 1232[13:41:27] <temy> Wait a sec
• 1233[13:41:28] <noqnio1> jelly: what do you mean by that
• 1234[13:41:39] <temy> Why does apt asks me to install kate-data
• 1235[13:41:58] <temy> Some kde related tools too
• 1236[13:42:18] <jelly> I mean bested might just be broken on its own right now and you seeing the consequences
• 1237[13:42:22] <jelly> buster*
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• 1240[13:43:12] <noqnio1> It might, but shouldn't I try to figure out the problem in order to report it if it someone else didn't ?
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• 1244[13:47:41] <noqnio1> As a matter of fact I reinstalled one week ago because of this problem, and silly me forgot to first upgrade to testing then install bumblebee and nvidia drivers
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• 1273[14:01:34] <jangs> hi
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• 1275[14:01:41] <temy> hallo
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• 1277[14:04:13] <jangs> How to get wifi working on Debian 9.2 I ran lspci for Broadcom info Drivers 4312
• 1278[14:06:40] <abrotman> dpkg: tell jangs about bcm4312
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• 1280[14:07:30] <jangs> abrotman ok thank you
• 1281[14:09:04] <jangs> Are the drivers on the Debian website?
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• 1398[15:01:31] <Pegasus_RPG> Hello. I just upgraded to Debian 9 and I'm using KDE. I disabled cellular networks in Network Manager, and the enable/disable check box disappeared! How can I get it back without having to boot into Windows to enable the celluar again??
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• 1867[17:21:39] <mais> hello, I installed firefox-quantum on my debian 9 using this guide (replaced-url
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• 1874[17:25:57] <mais> Any ideas? :)
• 1875[17:26:16] <mtn> mais: did you install a .deb?
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• 1880[17:27:22] <mais> no I donwloaded a tar.bz2 file, untared it and created a .desktop file for it
• 1881[17:28:05] <mtn> mais: ah, then your .desktop file is not created correctly, it appears. you could just make a shortcut or edit your main menu
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• 1883[17:28:20] <mtn> mais: what de are you using?
• 1884[17:28:34] <mais> mtn, gnome
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• 1886[17:29:15] <mtn> mais: if alacarte is installed, look for main in activities. you can add an entry for the new firefox
• 1887[17:29:15] <mais> mtn, thats the directory of the .desktop file
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• 1889[17:30:01] <mais> ~/.local/its not installed ,should I install it?(alacarte)share/applications/firefox-qua
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• 1891[17:30:37] <mtn> mais: install what? alacate?
• 1892[17:30:44] <mtn> alacart
• 1893[17:30:47] <mais> mtn, yes
• 1894[17:30:56] <mtn> mais: if you want to use it, then, yes
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• 1896[17:31:28] <NetTerminalGene> mais, put desktop file in /usr/share/applications
• 1897[17:33:11] <NetTerminalGene> mais, by the way how did you remove firefox-esr? i attempted to remove it but it attempted remove gnome and replace it with chromium
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• 1904[17:35:07] <mais> NetTerminalGene, yes, it was iceweasel named firefox-esr
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• 1915[17:45:43] <d3vice> Anyone having issues with webgl on firefox 57?
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• 1917[17:46:56] <d3vice> ,
• 1918[17:46:56] <d3vice> ,,. ,. , ,
• 1919[17:46:57] <d3vice> ,
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• 1922[17:47:16] <d3vice> Sorry
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• 1930[17:49:17] <mais> ty mtn alacarte did the job perfectly
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• 1932[17:49:53] <mtn> mais: nice
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• 1942[17:55:19] <mais> mtn, should I delete the .desktop file from .local/share/applications? or is it used from alacarte?
• 1943[17:55:50] <mtn> mais: sorry, don't know. if all is working, leave things alone?
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• 2074[18:54:14] <TehRabbitt> Morning
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• 2078[18:58:01] <dvs> Afternoon!
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• 2088[19:02:13] <TehRabbitt> anyone know how to set up an L2TP tunnel *without* using IPSec?
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• 2130[19:35:38] <zu22> can anyone see me?
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• 2132[19:35:45] <zu22> did the netsplit coccur?
• 2133[19:36:16] <zu22> HELLO
• 2134[19:36:21] <zu22> IS ANYONE SEEING THIS?
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• 2136[19:36:36] <LioneLL1> yes
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• 2138[19:38:54] <TehRabbitt> hey
• 2139[19:39:01] <mf_00> WHATEVAAAAA
• 2140[19:39:20] <mf_00> just quoting George Costanza
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• 2143[19:40:29] <jelly> zu22, do you have a Debian question?
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• 2195[20:10:24] <simp> I've been trying to enable the "tearfree" option for my AMD gpu(R9 280X), but after a reboot it won't find any screens. Here's the config that I tired & the xorg logs replaced-url
• 2196[20:10:49] <simp> any thoughts on how to go about it? Thought I'd give gaming on linux a shot but everything keeps tearing.
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• 2245[20:48:20] <ongy> so when I try to `apt upgrade` I get something about operation not permitted for creating a backup link for /boot/System.Map-<version>. I'm on debian stable and it prevents updates :/
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• 2248[20:50:24] <Kobaz> replaced-url
• 2249[20:50:44] <somiaj> ongy: what are the permissions of the filesystem in /boot, is it mounted read only?
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• 2251[20:51:23] <somiaj> Kobaz: why aren't you using apt to install this package?
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• 2255[20:52:01] <Kobaz> because it's failing
• 2256[20:52:10] <Kobaz> and that's what it's failing on
• 2257[20:52:23] <somiaj> Kobaz: are you really running debian jessie?
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• 2259[20:52:42] <somiaj> I'm just unsure why it is failing at accepting python3:any, it is almost like apt doesn't know about multiarch at all.
• 2260[20:52:43] <Kobaz> not yet
• 2261[20:52:50] <Kobaz> it's in the middle of wheezy->jessie
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• 2263[20:53:20] <somiaj> still seems strange, wheezy knew about multiarch too.
• 2264[20:53:33] <Kobaz> recent upgrade from squeeze...
• 2265[20:53:34] <somiaj> Kobaz: apt policy dpkg (is the dpkg versiom from wheezy or jessie)?
• 2266[20:53:40] <Kobaz> hopping along to jessie
• 2267[20:53:47] <ongy> somiaj: mounted rw, vfat and root owned 655 for /boot/ and everything in it
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• 2269[20:54:02] <Kobaz> no 'apt'
• 2270[20:54:12] <somiaj> Kobaz: apt-cache policy dpkg
• 2271[20:54:40] <Kobaz> Installed: 1.15.12 Candidate: 1.17.27
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• 2273[20:54:51] <somiaj> ongy: you have /boot being vfat? I guess that shoudln't matter.
• 2274[20:55:03] <somiaj> Kobaz: see if upgrading the dpkg first helps.
• 2275[20:55:16] <ongy> I have for efi-stub booting.
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• 2277[20:55:52] <somiaj> ongy: do you have your efi partition mounted at /boot?
• 2278[20:55:56] <Kobaz> can't upgrade dpkg nicely
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• 2280[20:56:02] <Kobaz> since it depends on devscripts and that wont install
• 2281[20:56:07] <Kobaz> i'll need to monkey up some stuff
• 2282[20:56:22] <ongy> somiaj: not efivars, but efi partition. yes (and had so for quite a while now)
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• 2285[20:57:18] <somiaj> ongy: I don't know the details, but that to me seems odd. debian uses /boot to hold info that is not intended for an efi partition.
• 2286[20:58:01] <somiaj> ongy: Are you sure you shoudln't be mounting the efi partition elsewhere? I thought /boot/efi, but I think you are right that is efivars partition, not the efi partition.
• 2287[20:58:04] <ongy> I've had it like this since before I switched the machine to debian (which I did live from the previous one, virtue of btrfs subvolumes). And while those don't necessarily have to go there, they don't hurt
• 2288[20:58:17] <Kobaz> looks like dpkg 1.16 never got installed during -> wheezy
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• 2290[20:58:46] <somiaj> Kobaz: well see if you can fully upgrade things to wheezy first before moving on to jessie.
• 2291[20:58:51] <ongy> efivars is somewhere in /sys, since it's not a real file system either way. the /boot/efi/<whatever> is the default path most efis will search for something to execute (but for efi-stub it's usually better to set a custom entry, since I want boot arguments either way)
• 2292[20:59:21] <somiaj> ongy: well debian stores various things in the /boot partition that could fill up your efi if it is small.
• 2293[20:59:26] <Kobaz> somiaj: i did... well so it said
• 2294[20:59:34] <Kobaz> somiaj: apt-get dist-upgrade had nothing left to do
• 2295[20:59:52] <ongy> I'm at 28% usage
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• 2297[21:00:35] <somiaj> ongy: hmm, well unsure if it is a limitation of the fat16 file system or not, but it seems strange to me to be mounting the efi partition at /boot
• 2298[21:00:36] <Kobaz> switched back to wheezy... yeah there's some upgrades to do... wtf
• 2299[21:00:54] <Kobaz> yeah so that's the issue...
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• 2301[21:01:08] <somiaj> Kobaz: unsure why, maybe something was held or overlooked. Anyways, hoepfully you can get dpkg and everything fully upgraded to wheezy so you can move on.
• 2302[21:01:15] <Kobaz> yeah
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• 2304[21:02:03] <ongy> somiaj: for arch (which I used before) it's quite sane, since they barely put more than kernel and initram in it, for debian it should still work. And hard failing here without some "unsafe" mode during the update is rather annoying
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• 2307[21:03:00] <somiaj> ongy: yea it just seems strange to me, not that it won't work. I wonder if it is trying to change the permissions of System.map during the install and that is actually what is failing.
• 2308[21:03:55] <somiaj> hmm, maybe not, I don't see any strange permsisions on System.map
• 2309[21:04:03] <somiaj> doesn't fat16 have the 8.3 limitation, or is this somethign else?
• 2310[21:04:14] <ongy> I think it's trying to hardlink it to a secondary name, which may just not work on vfat. But I'm a bit confused it doesn't fallback to a normal copy
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• 2312[21:04:46] <somiaj> ongy: oh wait, its a link, and fat16 won't support that.
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• 2314[21:05:29] <somiaj> It might just be as I said, debian expects a *nix file system there. Maybe you could track down this and/or file a bug.
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• 2317[21:05:52] <ongy> let me make sure real quick. But it's what I figured from the error message
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• 2321[21:08:31] <ongy> it's failing in syscall 'link'. which looks like hardlink to me
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• 2325[21:09:48] <somiaj> is this part of one of the package scripts with the kernel, or is dpkg actually making these links during the upgrade?
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• 2327[21:10:15] <ongy> from the message I think a script, I'll paste it real quick
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• 2329[21:10:39] <somiaj> you can find the scripts in /var/lib/dpkg/info/packagename.script
• 2330[21:11:13] <ongy> replaced-url
• 2331[21:11:14] <somiaj> in this case you can edit the pre/post inst/rm scripts and then file a bug about the script not working on fat32 partitions. Maybe they will think about adjusting it.
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• 2333[21:11:50] <somiaj> no, this is part of dpkg and how it unpacks packages.
• 2334[21:12:27] <somiaj> I don't know if this is something that could easily be fixed, for dpkg does expect a *nix file system.
• 2335[21:12:41] <somiaj> you may just have to mount your efi partition at /boot/efi to deal with this.
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• 2337[21:13:26] <somiaj> ongy: replaced-url
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• 2346[21:14:56] <ongy> then it's highly confusing to me, that I could upgrade my kernel before on this machine
• 2347[21:14:58] <somiaj> ongy: anyways there is a solution.
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• 2349[21:15:33] <somiaj> ongy: there was an upgrade that went from 4.9.0-3 to 4.9.0-4, in this case it installed a new package, not replaced an exsiting pacakage.
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• 2351[21:16:31] <ongy> well whatever, I have a crappy workaround
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• 2353[21:16:35] <somiaj> this is happening because it is replacing the package.
• 2354[21:16:52] <ongy> why does that happen? shouldn't at least the patch level number increase?
• 2355[21:17:39] <somiaj> that link I pasted tries to explain it. This is how dpkg backups the contents of a package before extracting the new version, this way if something fails, it can revert back safely.
• 2356[21:18:07] <ongy> yea, I'm just confused it doesn't fall back to cp (or at least mv) when it can't link
• 2357[21:18:09] <somiaj> it is just dpkg expects to be running on *nix file systems, not vfat.
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• 2359[21:18:35] <somiaj> that link gives a patch to dpkg for this, trying to find a bug report, unsure what the dpkg devs think about this.
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• 2363[21:20:38] <somiaj> my quick search didn't find any debian bug about this. You can file one, though I'm unsure what the dpkg devs think about this use case.
• 2364[21:21:07] <ongy> thanks for your help. Now I just do the moving manually, then dpkg doesn't complain. Sucks, but works
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• 2366[21:21:59] <zerocool> anyone here use bcache + btrfs together lately?
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• 2371[21:27:53] <zu22> jelly: yes, how can i list all the packages installed on my system?
• 2372[21:28:10] <somiaj> zu22: dpkg -l, aptitude search ~i
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• 2374[21:28:20] <somiaj> zu22: dpkg --get-selections
• 2375[21:28:22] <zu22> thanks somiaj!
• 2376[21:29:57] <TehRabbitt> anyone know how to get L2TP working in debian (without the use of IPSec)
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• 2378[21:30:23] <TehRabbitt> trying to set up a simple debian "router" using L2TP as a client but everythign I keep finding only shows how to set it up using IPSec
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• 2437[22:27:12] <TehRabbitt> How can I troubleshoot this L2TP connection and why it's not coming online :(
• 2438[22:27:18] <TehRabbitt> nothing in syslog
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• 2452[22:38:15] <simbalion`> Hi, I've got an nVidia GTX 970 and I think I'm using the proprietary drivers, and lately my HDMI blacks out while playing games, specificaly and most frequently CS:GO. This never happens outside of gaming, so I'm wondering if it could be a driver issue?
• 2453[22:38:39] <tw> TehRabbitt: it doesn't make sense to use l2tp without ipsec. l2tp itself doesn't support any encryption and I don't believe any client besides the linux one supports negotiation without ipsec (ie, the windows/android/ios l2tp clients do not). If you're using it for linux-to-linux tunneling, there are better options.
• 2454[22:38:44] <simbalion`> it seems like the monitor loses the signal briefly because when it returns it shows the HDMI source in the corner like it just picked up the signal
• 2455[22:40:42] <simbalion`> I am asking in here because I imagine someone else might have experienced a similar issue if it's the drivers packaged with debian causing the problem
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• 2462[22:43:51] <TehRabbitt> tw: it's between my endpoint (client running debian) and the ISP host (microtik router)
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• 2464[22:44:39] <TehRabbitt> basically they are serving up a /29 for me, and provided me a chap username and password to connect to an endpoint IP.
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• 2478[22:54:08] <tw> TehRabbitt: Run xl2tpd in the local console with -D to prevent it from detaching, use the `ppp debug` option in the config, read the log messages from there. If it's trying to initiate the client at all, it should print some sort of message to you.
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• 2486[22:58:57] <TehRabbitt> tw thanks :) i'll give that a try
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• 2537[23:25:54] <zu22> how do i turn off these annoying join/part messages? i'm using epic5
• 2538[23:26:04] <zu22> it is annoying channel spam to my client :(
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• 2541[23:26:22] <klys> zu22, /ignore
• 2542[23:26:28] <zu22> it tells me everytime someone joins or leaves the channel!!!
• 2543[23:26:32] <zu22> Klys: thanks
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• 2545[23:26:52] <phogg> is epic5 an IRC client?
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• 2547[23:27:01] <phogg> using /ignore normally prevents all messages from a specific user
• 2548[23:27:05] <zu22> phogg: yes it is based off ircII sources IIRC
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• 2558[23:31:38] <mnuhmnuh> zu22: /ignore joins, parts, quits # sytax?
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• 2585[23:40:43] <ongy> I'm trying to build a kernel for my debian machine in an chroot on archlinux. But I always get an error during packaging, because the make-kpkg tries to name the .deb something -ARCH, which contains non-allowed character 'A'
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• 2600[23:51:19] <zu22> mnuhmnuh: thanks
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• 2604[23:53:00] * dsaravanan namaste! #debian
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