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0[00:00:14] <Coolternet> *generate
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5[00:01:33] <woshty> merethan: there is a config part? usually
dkpg-reconfigure [package]
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6[00:02:01] <herbe_rouge> any idea why the equalizer is not
active in the jessie version of amarok?
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30[00:12:52] <Derima> sup
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32[00:14:52] <Derrima> hello
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52[00:27:19] <CanDoo> hello.
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53[00:27:45] <CanDoo> having a bit of an issue with Gnome in
Jessie.
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54[00:28:09] <CanDoo> gnome keeps locking up my desktop
seemingly randomly.
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56[00:28:37] <CanDoo> if I restart gnome-shell it seems to fix
it for a bit. but if i clock on Avtivities it locks up and i can not
type or click on things.
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57[00:28:45] <CanDoo> would anyone have any suggestions?
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58[00:28:50] <CanDoo> please
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61[00:31:12] <herbe_rouge> CanDoo: that's going to need a
lot more detail to help
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64[00:31:54] <herbe_rouge> if you're using gdm3 you might
want to consider installing mate
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66[00:32:12] <max_> hello
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67[00:32:24] <CanDoo> ahh, thank you.
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68[00:32:30] <max_> how i can install drivers on jessie
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70[00:32:31] <CanDoo> yeah it is gdm3
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71[00:32:46] <CanDoo> i installed lightdm because gdm3
didn't show any users.
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72[00:33:21] <Guest65127> i try from usb stick when i install
but os didnt recognize it
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78[00:36:20] <herbe_rouge> CanDoo: as I said, difficult to
advise withuot a lot more detail (distro, hardware etc) but if this
is a new install I'd suggest starting again with stretch using
mate, i suspect you've skipped a page in the live install cd ,
hth
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82[00:37:03] <CanDoo> debian, jessie, gdm3
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83[00:37:28] <Guest65127> i cant using stretch on this machine
because kernel version freezing when i use speakers
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84[00:38:49] <Guest65127> when i install os oi should put stick
with iwlwifi-5000-1.ucode iwlwifi-5000-2.ucode iwlwifi-5000-3.ucode
iwlwifi-5000-4.ucode iwlwifi-5000-5.ucode
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85[00:39:03] <CanDoo> now it's not a new install. i did an
apt-get update of jessie today and afterwords , gdm3 had new users
to login with, so i googled and read that installing litedm could
help and lightdm did let me log in. however.. gnome-shell keeps
freezing, if i restart gnome-shell from a console. it frees up
again, but eventually freezes again.
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87[00:39:14] <Guest65127> on package i fing only 2 and 5
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89[00:39:32] <Guest65127> find*
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91[00:40:51] <Guest65127> its possible to install drivers now?
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92[00:40:57] <Guest65127> from tar gz?
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93[00:40:59] <Guest65127> :)
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94[00:41:51] <Brigo> Guest65127, so you have stretch already
installed?
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95[00:41:58] <CanDoo> brb
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97[00:42:43] <Guest65127> i cant install stretch - kernel
freezing pc when i use sound card
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101[00:43:40] <Brigo> Guest65127, then what are you using?
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103[00:43:56] <Guest65127> jessie 8.9
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107[00:45:02] <Brigo> Guest65127, have you internet connection?
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109[00:45:35] <Guest65127> only on other pc
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112[00:46:13] <CanDoo> very strange
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113[00:47:17] <Guest65127> i can download on other and using usb
stick to files, when i install drivers i will have net :)
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114[00:47:35] <Guest65127> so i need install drivers :)
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115[00:47:45] <Guest65127> but i dont know how
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116[00:47:51] <Brigo> Guest65127, i think those firmwares in
debian are enought.
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117[00:48:30] <Brigo> Guest65127, anyway you can just copy them
to /lib/firmware if you want to.
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118[00:48:43] <Guest65127> oh wait i check
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119[00:48:44] <Guest65127> :)\
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121[00:49:21] <Brigo> the better way would be activating
non-free repository and update and upgrade from there.
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122[00:49:39] <Brigo> next time you can install an image with
firmware from
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123[00:49:57] <Brigo> and you can try a newer kernel for stretch
from backports.
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124[00:50:09] <Brigo> !backport
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125[00:50:10] <dpkg> A backport is a package from a newer Debian
branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency
and <ABI> complications.
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126[00:50:16] <CanDoo> adding more info. i do run my linuxbox in
a Virtual Machine, under VirtualBox
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127[00:50:27] <Brigo> ,kernels
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128[00:50:28] <judd> Available kernel versions are:
experimental: 4.14.0-rc5-686 (4.14~rc5-1~exp1); sid: 4.13.0-1-686
(4.13.4-2); buster: 4.13.0-1-686 (4.13.4-2); stretch-backports:
4.13.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.13.4-2~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-4-686
(4.9.51-1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.3-686
(4.9.30-2+deb9u5~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae
(3.16.43-2+deb8u5); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae
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129[00:50:29] <judd> (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy:
3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.93-1)
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130[00:51:03] <Brigo> it would be 4.13
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133[00:51:42] <Guest65127> i see its only net installer
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134[00:51:52] <Guest65127> but i dont have cable connection to
net
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135[00:51:53] <Guest65127> ;/
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137[00:54:57] <Brigo> Guest65127,
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139[00:55:24] <Guest65127> its stretch
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140[00:55:30] <Guest65127> but i need jessie
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142[00:56:10] <Guest65127> copy files to lib/firmware working :)
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143[00:56:21] <Guest65127> now i have wifi thankyou:)
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144[00:56:52] <Brigo> Guest65127, good for you.
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145[00:57:32] <Guest65127> on debian stretch kernel 4.9 i have
problems when i use sound card i dont know why, so i back to older
debian
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147[00:57:51] <Brigo> Guest65127, as i said you could try 4.13
from backports
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150[00:58:27] <Brigo> Guest65127, i have to go, sorry :/
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151[00:58:34] <Guest65127> ;/
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152[00:58:37] <Guest65127> ok i try
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153[00:58:41] <Guest65127> i must find iso :)
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154[00:58:46] <Guest65127> thanks
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156[00:58:51] <Delimo> hi
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157[00:58:55] <Delimo> im gay lmao
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159[00:59:13] <mnuhmnuh> who cares?
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160[00:59:25] <Delimo> kys
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161[00:59:28] <mnuhmnuh> i'm a dog.
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162[00:59:29] <Delimo> noob
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163[00:59:35] <Delimo> im gay lol
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164[01:00:09] <mnuhmnuh> thi's debian. fsck off if else.
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165[01:00:35] <Delimo> lmao stfu dork
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168[01:01:24] <dax> !ops Delimo is Adnol
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169[01:01:24] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH,
mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel,
zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: dax complains
about a problem (see above)
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170[01:01:40] <Delimo> Im gay
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171[01:01:43] <dax> (network-wide pain in the ass)
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172[01:01:49] <Delimo> stfu dax
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173[01:01:54] <Delimo> you triggered homomophobe
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179[01:03:26] <themill> dax: thanks
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180[01:03:29] <dax> np
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189[01:08:00] <Coolternet> anyone know a website to generate a
preseed file ?
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293[02:26:03] <mnuhmnuh> -rw-r--r-- 1 keeling keeling 566 Aug 31
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357[03:11:21] <AndrewPRS> guys one question... I am running
debian 9 and if I try to do a big copy of files, for example rsync
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359[03:11:35] <AndrewPRS> the system stops responding correctly
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360[03:11:37] <johnkeates> the problem is with your SD card
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361[03:11:57] <AndrewPRS> why would my system start responding
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362[03:11:59] <johnkeates> you are using a storage medium that
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363[03:12:16] <AndrewPRS> but I don't understand why my
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364[03:12:25] <johnkeates> so other tasks can no longer be
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366[03:12:40] <johnkeates> also, if you use up all CPU cycles,
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367[03:12:58] <AndrewPRS> shouldn't the system schedule the
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368[03:13:01] <johnkeates> it does
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369[03:13:02] <AndrewPRS> so that the ui doesnt hang?
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370[03:13:04] <johnkeates> no
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371[03:13:12] <AndrewPRS> why not?
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372[03:13:13] <johnkeates> rsync doesn't consider the UI
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374[03:13:18] <AndrewPRS> ahh I see
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375[03:13:31] <AndrewPRS> should I use any UI aware copying
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377[03:13:40] <johnkeates> it might help for low power systems
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378[03:13:59] <AndrewPRS> I am on a regular PC
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380[03:14:01] <johnkeates> but if you have a weak CPU and weak
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382[03:14:10] <AndrewPRS> but on windows it is fine
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384[03:14:19] <AndrewPRS> it is a linux specific problem
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385[03:14:29] <johnkeates> then it's a configuration issue
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387[03:14:57] <johnkeates> i guess someone will come and help in
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388[03:15:00] <AndrewPRS> and is there any way to set it up
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389[03:15:04] <AndrewPRS> ahh ok
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396[03:17:41] <AndrewPRS> looks like it's a long standing
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397[03:17:42] <AndrewPRS>
replaced-url
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405[03:22:19] <EnchanterTim> Aha!
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406[03:22:23] <EnchanterTim> I finally made progress
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407[03:22:29] <EnchanterTim> 2017-10-30 02:19:40
login_saslauthd_server authenticator failed for localhost (hi)
[127.0.0.1]: 435 Unable to authenticate at present: cannot connect
to saslauthd daemon at /var/run/saslauthd/mux: No such file or
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408[03:22:36] <EnchanterTim> I thought I enabled sasld auth
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415[03:27:00] <EnchanterTim> Apparently the service wasn't
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416[03:27:02] <EnchanterTim> *sigh*
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478[04:17:41] <binary106> hey how can i cp some files as root
into /home/ubuntu, and have the resulting files respect the owner of
that directory for the new files
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489[04:23:00] <anhr> lkjlkjlkj
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495[04:27:15] <n4dir> binary106: chown
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502[04:35:34] <r3> just wanted to put my 2 cents in about having
to use BitTorrent to download a LiveCD version of Debian. [ see
replaced-url
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503[04:35:34] <r3> it was responsible for installing the
WebDiscoverBrowser which then caused a) a stable Win10 system to
crash and b) was picked up by Malwarebytes as a PuP and subsequently
quarantined.
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504[04:36:26] <r3> sorry, that was 25 cents. 2 Cents: Don't
like it. 0/10. Won't do again.
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509[04:40:02] <dvs> take back your dollar! lol
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514[04:42:52] <r3> would gladly pay more than a dollar to
support more hosting so that BT isn't needed and could download
an .iso like the net install...
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517[04:44:20] <n4dir> r3 the debian*live* CD is really kind of
in-official.
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519[04:44:37] <n4dir> wrong word, but there ain't a very
strong focus on it.
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523[04:46:55] <r3> hrm. The only reason I trusted Azereus (and
then Vuze) was that they were linked from the debian.org website. I
would have maybe taken more time to research a better BT
client/installer/etc. if debian.org HADN'T suggested I use that
one. Yes, there were two others, but the link to BitTornado caused
Malwarebytes to block the site, and the link to BitTorrent (the 3rd
suggestion) wasn't as
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524[04:46:55] <r3> shiny, I guess.
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525[04:47:05] <n4dir> whom to ask about the problem behind it
(azereus being recommended and doing shitty things) i wouldn't
know. But here, in a user support channel, no one can do much about
it. (besides someone "official" is per incident around)
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527[04:47:54] <annadane> #debian-replaced-url
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528[04:47:56] <r3> sure, I understand, n4dir. But I thought I
would share anyway, and maybe tell folks to maybe not trust that
link from the debian.org site and don't install Vuze.
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529[04:48:21] <n4dir> r3 got you. I was only doing a bit of
chat. I see your problem (rather: the general problem)
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531[04:48:47] <n4dir> you might wanna give annadane s idea a try
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533[04:49:31] <r3> I sure do appreciate this channel and the
support it provides and would never blame my misadventures on anyone
but myself. I might try that other channel, or maybe send an e-mail
(for all the good that will do.) :)
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535[04:50:38] <n4dir> When i tried windows i ran into similar
problems all the time. Made me appreciate good repos even more.
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537[04:51:02] <n4dir> but it sure shouldn't be advised as a
torrent browser on a debian website, imho.
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539[04:51:51] <r3> generally maybe someone involved with the
debain.org website might not want to show their support (via an
innocuous link) for a BT client that does shady things :\ But as a
long term windows professional, I understand more than most the harm
a poor installer (or a good installer doing bad things) can do.
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543[04:52:46] <r3> anyways - thanks for letting me vent, thank
goodness for logs and Malwarebytes. :) Cheers
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544[04:53:02] <n4dir> :-)
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549[04:57:15] <annadane> r3, i feel like it's almost
certainly an accident. an email you probably should send because
they're probably not aware of it
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554[04:59:41] <n4dir> same thought here.
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556[05:00:42] <r3> I might do that, but I will try it again -
this time on a firewalled virtual system - and see if in fact that
Vuse was responsible. What makes me feel even more foolish, is that
if I would have looked on my secondary system, I have uTorrent
installed, but just had forgotten about it from disuse...
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557[05:02:02] <blink2> I started broadcasting from my web
camera. Please send me the "ft" private message (query):
"/privmsg blink2 :ft" if you want to watch my broadcast.
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558[05:03:15] <r3> (I am 90% certain it was Vuse, as new
programs don't get installed on my main system. Once it is how
I like it, nothing new goes on it - but I made a rash decision as I
was focused on the project in front of me)
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560[05:03:24] <r3> anyway.
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561[05:03:26] <r3> cheers :)
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563[05:03:49] <annadane> blink2, not an advertising channel
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564[05:03:49] <r3> annadane: if I can verify it, I will for sure
send an e-mail
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566[05:05:35] <n4dir> i would omit the info about debian-live,
to avoid confusion (like the one i have run into above).
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571[05:07:39] <blink2> ĐŃĐžĐČĐ”Ń
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587[05:15:09] <TimeTraveler> hi
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591[05:15:51] <TimeTraveler> hey does anyone here have a librem
notebook?
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592[05:16:27] <r3> n4dir: well the debian-live is the only place
where one is required to use a BT client, but I see your point
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594[05:17:19] <n4dir> yeah, hence i ranted, but then figured out
that the recommendation is from the debian.org site (that you *can*
use torrents to download the install isos too. I never do that,
hence i got confused. My fault)
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596[05:18:29] <r3> right, aye :) cheers
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598[05:19:49] <TimeTraveler> anyone have any thoughts on librem
machines?
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601[05:20:25] <annadane> TimeTraveler, do you have a support
question or are you just looking for hardware reviews? because if
you're looking for reviews there's #debian-offtopic,
unless your question is "how well does it run debian" or
"will it run debian"
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602[05:20:38] <TimeTraveler> yes
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655[05:59:00] <TimeTraveler_> hey why isnt utox in the debian
repo?
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656[05:59:14] <TimeTraveler_> does anyone use a tox client on
debian?
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utox for debian
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671[06:04:51] <dude42> Good day, I am on Debian Stretch and
trying to enable a systemd user unit with: systemctl --user enable
<unit>, but I get the following error:
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672[06:04:52] <dude42> Failed to connect to bus: No such file or
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673[06:05:27] <dude42> Additional information: this is via a
remote SSH connection on a Xen domU, with SELinux enabled.
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675[06:05:47] <dude42> any advice would be appreciated
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678[06:06:15] <TimeTraveler_> is it good n4cht ?
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703[06:28:12] <youjelly> Hi, so I'm having trouble dialing
using wvdial and a usb model (huawei e3372h), when I plug it in, the
network manager detects it and can dial and connect successfuly, but
there's no /dev/ttyUSBxx interface so I can't dial using
wvdial command, adn wvdialconf cycles through /dev/ttyS0-3 but
can't detect a modem
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704[06:28:16] <youjelly> any clue?
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706[06:28:49] <velix> I really don't understand why this
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long
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707[06:28:56] <glick> wow youjelly? are you living in 1993?
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712[06:29:24] <youjelly> no, just trying to make a mptcp router
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714[06:29:25] <glick> velix, what are you trying to do
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715[06:29:34] <velix> glick: move tones of files from one dir to
another.
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716[06:29:42] <velix> glick: I'm doing it with find and
-exec
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717[06:29:45] <glick> what command are you using?
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718[06:29:52] <velix> glick: mv dl/* .
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719[06:30:07] <velix> glick: I'm doing it with find right
now.
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724[06:30:46] <glick> doesnt sound like a type of operation youd
want to use exec for
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725[06:30:55] <glick> usually you use exec to perform something
on each file
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726[06:31:03] <glick> not move it
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728[06:31:18] <velix> glick: are you new to unix?
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729[06:31:30] <velix> glick: find ... -exec mv -t targetdir/ {}
+ is pretty common.
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730[06:31:53] <glick> velix, no im not new to unix
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732[06:32:26] <velix> glick: ok. This solution is pretty normal,
since the "Argument list too long" is there for about 15
years I'm using linux based OS :(
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733[06:32:26] <glick> what in the ellipsis?
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734[06:32:57] <glick> velix, if it was pretty 'normal'
and common i think in 15 years it would be fixed
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736[06:33:05] <glick> so your doing something that isnt normal,
or wrong
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738[06:33:13] <velix> Yeah, I'm doing it worng :)))
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741[06:33:27] <glick> your leaving out half the command
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777[07:03:32] <youjelly> glick: any idea?
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785[07:06:20] <glick> youjelly, ?
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786[07:06:23] <glick> idea about what
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787[07:06:43] <youjelly> why can the network manager detect and
dial using the USB modem, yet wvdial can't even detect it
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788[07:07:27] <glick> youjelly, if you do a dmesg after you plug
it in, it should say what device it is in the file system
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794[07:10:10] <youjelly> yeah I tail -f /var/log/messages
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795[07:11:37] <glick> and what does it say about the hardare
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796[07:12:26] <youjelly>
"/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:14.0/usb1/1-8
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797[07:12:57] <youjelly> devices added (path:
/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:14.0/usb1/1-8/1-8:1.0/net/enx0c5b8f279a64,
iface: enx0c5b8f279a64)
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800[07:14:46] <youjelly> usbserial 49152 0 <<module is
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802[07:15:04] <youjelly> but no /dev/ttyUSBxx
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839[07:47:21] <jelly> youjelly: make sure usb-modeswitch is
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862[08:04:31] <tesko> i got massive data loss when debian
decided my freebsd-update then apt autoremove decided to delete
nearly my entire computer's everything
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863[08:04:55] <tesko> not freebsd apt get
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868[08:07:25] <themill> That would be why it asks you for
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900[08:24:26] <AquaL1te> anyone else has problems with postfix
since the update of one week ago? opendkim was already very poorly
packaged, but now postfix is acting strange as well. port 25 and 587
are not listening while they are enabled in the master.cf
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903[08:25:12] <jelly> AquaL1te: which debian release?
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904[08:25:23] <AquaL1te> 'stable'
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905[08:25:46] <jelly> AquaL1te: what does "lsb_release
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907[08:26:18] <AquaL1te> it's the latest greatest stuff,
but i'll check for you
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909[08:26:52] <AquaL1te> postfix 3.1.6-0+deb9u1 on stretch
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910[08:27:05] <jelly> that seems okay.
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911[08:27:21] <jelly> telnet localhost 25 still works for me.
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912[08:27:31] <jelly> so check the logs.
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913[08:27:45] <jelly> /var/log/mail.log
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914[08:28:07] <AquaL1te> jelly: everything is fine, in ss it
simple doesn't list the sockets, but they are enabled in the
configs. logs don't show anything either
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915[08:28:17] <AquaL1te> configs didn't change
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916[08:28:29] <AquaL1te> simply upgrading is the only change
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probably because of the messed up way opendkim was packaged and
probably the rest of it
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919[08:29:19] <jelly> AquaL1te: do a service postfix stop
&& service postfix start, and pastebin the logs that appear.
Also pastebin the output of "postconf -n" and
"postconf -Mf"
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922[08:29:30] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this
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replaced-url
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923[08:29:43] <jelly> AquaL1te: preferably all in a single
pastebin entry
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924[08:29:58] <AquaL1te> service commands? no it's okay,
thank you for your help jelly
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937[08:36:10] <jelly> AquaL1te: don't need service output,
just want to see what your logs say when postfix gets started
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940[08:38:45] <AquaL1te> after systemctl restart postfix dovecot
opendkim postgrey:
replaced-url
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942[08:39:13] <AquaL1te> everything seems to start fine jelly,
magically it doesn't establish sockets for port 25/587
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944[08:41:02] <jelly> AquaL1te: can you show just
/var/log/mail.log, and stop and start just postfix, and also
"postconf -n" and "postconf -Mf" output?
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947[08:43:23] <AquaL1te> this is the problem:
replaced-url
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948[08:43:27] <AquaL1te> that's quite amazing :D
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949[08:43:32] <jelly> AquaL1te: your last pastebin shows no
postfix lines at all, just a few duplicated lines for other services
in two files.
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950[08:44:17] <AquaL1te> i'm done with debian... really
appreciate your help, but this mostly it for me :P
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953[08:45:51] <themill> So reading
/usr/share/doc/postfix/README.Debian isn't an option
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957[08:48:16] <AquaL1te> themill: debian shouldn't touch
these files. this is amateur stuff. sorry you can't see this.
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958[08:48:20] * jelly notes that "service postfix stop &&
service postfix start" would have done the right thing
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960[08:48:25] <morphyeys> hello guys
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961[08:48:42] <morphyeys> I've tried to install Debian 9.2
using the network installer, but it couldn't connect to the
internet
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962[08:48:59] <morphyeys> may you give me some tips on how to
connect to internet in order to install Debian 9.2 using the network
installer
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966[08:49:42] <babilen> AquaL1te: Why is that? And i'm sure
it would be appreciated if you would provide the information you
were asked for (if you genuinely want help that is)
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967[08:49:44] <jelly> AquaL1te: debian has supported multiple
instances of postfix for a while, before systemd integration; using
a service generator seems a logical way to do it
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971[08:51:32] <AquaL1te> jelly: hmmm okay, then it's
somemthing else. buttom line is that debian started changing systemd
system files and etc files and now it doesn't work anymore
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972[08:51:44] <jelly> AquaL1te: I didn't even remember
about it, and the commands I asked you to run would have restarted
the thing on stretch and allow to provide useful info
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977[08:53:07] <jelly> but seeing as you're not keen on
following instructions and providing actual info, I'm gonna let
someone else help
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978[08:54:26] <AquaL1te> jelly: it uses systemd, that's why
i skipped the service commands
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979[08:55:05] <jelly> you thought you knew what you were doing
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980[08:55:31] <morphyeys> guys may you try to help me please?
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983[08:56:04] <jelly> morphyeys: what kind of internet
connection does your system have, wired, wireless?
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984[08:57:01] <morphyeys> wired
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986[08:57:20] <AquaL1te> it seems it works now... first i
'fixed' the systemd file (removed the /bin/true) and
reloaded the systemd unit configs. then it worked again. then after
reading that hasn't changed in a while i switched it back,
another reload of the systemd daemon and then the postfix unit file.
now everything works again... very strange... i rebooted already a
few times. maybe the daemon-reload wasn't done in the post
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987[08:57:26] <AquaL1te> script of the deb package.
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988[08:58:08] <AquaL1te> jelly: i don't see why someone
should be using service commands on a systemd system. can you add
the reason?
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990[08:58:26] <jelly> AquaL1te: they would have worked.
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992[08:59:00] <jelly> AquaL1te: because backward compatibility.
Otherwise, you'd have to read
/usr/share/doc/postfix/README.Debian
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995[09:00:03] <jelly> and then figure out the actual service for
a single instance installation is named like postfix@-.service
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1000[09:01:25] <jelly> morphyeys: wired ought to, in general,
work, if your local network has a working dhcp server
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1002[09:01:54] <morphyeys> it isn't working
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1006[09:02:22] <jelly> morphyeys: where does it fail? Can you
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1011[09:04:00] <morphyeys> the install is just failing using the
net install
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1012[09:04:12] <morphyeys> because it can't connec to the
internet and I have no clue how to connect it manually
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1026[09:10:01] <RoyK> hi all. seems like one of my drives is
failing. I keep getting a bunch of errors in dmesg
replaced-url
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1051[09:24:53] <DK2> im getting a mountall main process (677)
terminated with status 127 when booting the server after grub
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1053[09:24:59] <DK2> wtf? are the libs broken or what?
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1061[09:28:33] <nkuttler> DK2: what about the boot process? does
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1065[09:30:01] <fert_> Hi… I just installed
nvidia-cuda-toolkit. After it finished, I was asked to reboot and
after doing so X didn’t want to start anymore. Only get to see
a blinking cursor…
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1077[09:38:52] <m712> hello, trying to do a jessie -> stretch
but it seems that libclucene's name was changed, which causes
everything to explode (aptitude asks to remove libreoffice, g++
(?!), firefox, vlc, etc.) how can I resolve this?
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1083[09:42:24] <nkuttler> m712: paste.debian.net command + error
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1087[09:43:25] <nkuttler> m712: see also
replaced-url
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1097[09:50:10] <fert_> nevermind… got X back up &
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1109[09:56:58] <DK2> nkuttler: yes system hangs there, because it
cannot start the mountall process
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and figure out why
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1203[10:49:20] <SerkanDevel[m]> How does one enable anti-aliasing
on debian stretch lxqt?
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1216[10:57:44] <srandon111> hello all, how can i manage manually
compiled programs ?
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1217[10:57:49] <srandon111> is there some program to do this ?
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1218[10:58:02] <srandon111> also on how to install multiple
versions of the same program...
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1275[11:26:52] <fcanela> hello, is there any problem with
official repos at deb.debian.org?
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1276[11:27:09] <fcanela> [91mE: Failed to fetch
replaced-url
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1279[11:30:14] <babilen> dpkg: deb.debian.org
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1280[11:30:15] <dpkg> deb.debian.org is a mirror network that is
backed by international content delivery networks and for most
users, this is the most reliable <mirror> to use in the
<sources.list>. From Debian 9 "Stretch" onwards, apt
queries SRV records in DNS which then send it off to a CDN. Older
apt will get an HTTP redirect from deb.debian.org to the same CDNs.
See
replaced-url
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1282[11:30:34] <babilen> fcanela: You can try a different mirror
or just wait for deb.debian.org to recover/redirect you to a
different one
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1283[11:31:19] <fcanela> I will wait. Just wanted to know if our
jenkins build were failing because our fault or was a debian problem
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1285[11:32:22] <babilen> fcanela: It looks like a problem with
the mirror you are being redirected to
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1287[11:33:36] <haroon_> Hi I'm trying to set up a wifi
connection using a raspberry pi and a rtl8811au wifi dongle. I
managed to install the drivers and it shows up in $ip a, but when I
try to see networks using $nmcli dev wifi list, no networks show up.
I'm using networkmanager and I also enabled wpa_supplicant.
Anyone has a idea what I'm doing wrong?
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1289[11:34:36] <fcanela> babilen: thanks, I will wait a little
bit and if it is not resolved I'll try to solve it by myself
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1296[11:35:55] <babilen> fcanela: See
replaced-url
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1297[11:36:24] <fcanela> babilen: a build have just been marked
as correct, so it is probably solved
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1298[11:36:30] <babilen> +1
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1300[11:36:39] <fcanela> thanks, babilen :)
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1305[11:36:57] <babilen> Generally speaking it's probably
the best meta mirror to use right now, but there can be issues
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1308[11:37:56] <fcanela> first time it made me think about it, so
it is enough stable for us :)
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1309[11:38:25] <babilen> Good to hear. I hope it doesn't
come up again. May you have a nice day!
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1310[11:39:18] <babilen> It's definitely the apt
configuration I'd use in automated builds
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1335[11:54:53] <blink4> hello
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1339[11:55:56] <rawruw> how do you turn on/off someting from
autostart in /etc/init.d/?
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1372[12:09:01] <Wulf> rawruw: "systemctl disable
rawruw.service"
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1373[12:09:11] <jeffmr> For my earlier question about getting
apps in gnome to work in stretch I found that I had to install and
then generate locales and then set them to EN UTF 8 UTF 8. After
rebooting most of the programs opened and showed text and picture.
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1380[12:10:21] <rawruw> Wulf: but in the old system though?
before systemd
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1385[12:11:50] <Wulf> rawruw: update-rc.d
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1387[12:11:58] <rawruw> by the way.. how does dpkg handle
dependencies? let's say that you install dpkg -i sompething.deb
and it has the dependency ncurses, what happens then?
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1389[12:12:08] <Wulf> rawruw: it will complain
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1390[12:12:18] <Wulf> rawruw: usually after half installing your
something
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1417[12:23:20] <rawruw> bionix: >:( you are my sworn
archenemy, I will fight you and defeat you. I will put an end to
your tyranny.
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1418[12:24:02] <rawruw> Wulf: why install via dpkg then? can yum
install .deb and resolve the dependencies?
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1444[12:37:58] <cujotus> debian rocks
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1445[12:38:29] <diego__> hello, I have an issue using network
manager: it happens that the desktop applet reports
"NetworkManager" is not running; checking the status of
the service NetworkManager reports it has been terminated with ABRT
signal; checking the logs it seems the assertion on this line
replaced-url
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1446[12:38:29] <diego__> rmware problem; this happens in both
jessie and stretch, in wheezy worked fine
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1447[12:38:47] <cujotus> :)
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1449[12:40:01] <obiwahn> hi is see a network device like
'enp7s0'
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1450[12:40:14] <obiwahn> where can i find the device in /dev
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1451[12:40:24] <obiwahn> or better how can i use with mii-tool?
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1452[12:41:29] <obiwahn> i get some info via 'udevadm info
-e | grep -A 11 ^P.*enp' and 'lspci -s'
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1463[12:54:19] <Wulf> rawruw: what's a "yum"?
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1467[12:54:51] <Wulf> obiwahn: it's not in /dev.
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1469[12:55:03] <jmsbnd> yum is apt alternative from rpm-land
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1478[12:58:05] <obiwahn> no it is not in /dev
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1479[12:58:22] <obiwahn> otherwise i wouldn't be asking here
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1483[13:01:22] <at0m> obiwahn:
replaced-url
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1494[13:05:19] <obiwahn> how does that help me?
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1496[13:06:20] <rawruw> Wulf: lol.. haha.. I mean apt-get
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1497[13:06:37] <rawruw> Wulf: why not use apt-get to install
local .deb packages to resolve dependencies?
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1508[13:11:28] <obiwahn> dpkg -i *deb; apt-get install -f
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1509[13:11:29] * dpkg removes a liver from obiwahn and replaces it with
*deb; apt-get install -f
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1559[13:39:41] <dpkg> wendy1: vedi
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1560[13:40:06] <disposable2> i want to be able to see the 10
busiest processes on my machine over the last 24 hours (including
processes that are no longer running). are there tools meant for
just that?
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1585[13:51:35] <jolt> disposable2: It's an excellent
question, but I don't have any good answers more than run top
in some interval and save the output
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1586[13:52:02] <disposable2> jolt: there's atop, but
i'm looking for alternatives too
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1589[13:55:03] <Eduard_Munteanu> disposable2, usually this is
done with monitoring software like Nagios or Zabbix
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1594[13:57:42] <disposable2> Eduard_Munteanu: maybe i
haven't searched hard enough but all i've seen for zabbix
were hacks around 'top'.
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1599[13:59:41] <Eduard_Munteanu> disposable2, you might also want
to check out perf, then. It has a separate recording function.
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1600[14:00:06] <jolt> This looks nice, but depends on ruby:
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1615[14:07:48] <yenyen> do i need special drivers for amd gpus?
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1616[14:08:07] <abrotman> yenyen: you may need firmware
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1617[14:08:16] <abrotman> dpkg: tell yenyen about radeon
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1627[14:12:18] <yenyen> so they are installed by default
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1636[14:15:17] <abrotman> yenyen: no
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1644[14:16:35] <yenyen> i'm in buster and both
xserver-xorg-video-radeon and xserver-xorg-video-radeon were there
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1675[14:25:04] <yenyen> mmmm not sure if they are running or not
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1681[14:27:14] <babilen> yenyen: And you read <radeon
firmware> and installed firmware-linux-nonfree ?
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1682[14:27:30] <yenyen> non free?
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1683[14:27:38] <babilen> yeah
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1684[14:27:46] <yenyen> i heard there are open source drivers
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1685[14:28:00] <Eduard_Munteanu> The firmware ain't.
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1686[14:28:06] <babilen> Much like your processor the GPU
unfortunately also requires firmware
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1687[14:28:26] <babilen> (holds true for a lot of hardware)
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1688[14:28:32] <yenyen> ssshit
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1689[14:28:44] <babilen> dpkg: microcode
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1690[14:28:44] <dpkg> Microcode are instructions/structures for
implementing high-level machine code within processors. The Linux
kernel can load updated microcode on most x86 processors. Microcode
patches for Intel and AMD64 CPUs are packaged for Debian as
intel-microcode and amd64-microcode respectively; installing the
relevant package is recommended to ensure system stability. Ask me
about <non-free sources>.
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1692[14:28:59] <babilen> ^ would be the non-free bits for your
processor
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1699[14:29:32] <yenyen> mmm
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1700[14:29:55] <Eduard_Munteanu> There's also a bunch of
non-free ACPI code on your mobo that your Linux interprets. :)
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1702[14:30:36] <yenyen> i see
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1704[14:31:06] <babilen> You upgrade that code by flashing new
firmware .. For processors the kernel can sideload it (if it has
been released by Intel/AMD) and for your graphics card you have to
install it explicitly
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1706[14:31:40] <yenyen> i don't think i need these though
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1709[14:32:02] <babilen> It's rather tricky to get a
complete free box nowadays ... I'd like to see a split in the
"can avoid" non-free packages and the "cannot
avoid" non-free packages in the Debian archive
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1711[14:32:43] <babilen> yenyen: Well, "need" is
obviously up to you
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1712[14:33:01] <babilen> Performance is typically horrible
without it or you miss other features (for other hardware)
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1717[14:34:31] <yenyen> previously i was running an nvidia card
without firmware
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1719[14:34:37] <yenyen> and it was fine
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1721[14:36:23] <yenyen> now i'm confused
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1723[14:36:39] <n4dir> Not sure. I mostly got intel graphic
chips, so if i decide to not use wireless (or use the supportetd
dongle), then avoiding non-free doesn't seem difficult
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1724[14:36:42] <yenyen> i both need the drivers and the firmware
support right?
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1725[14:37:28] <RedSoxFan08> babilen: Yeah, it's very
difficult to have a completely free computer. Secure Boot and Intel
ME don't help in that regard.
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1727[14:38:29] <babilen> RedSoxFan08: Absolutely ..
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1729[14:39:30] <yenyen> dpkg tell me about Readon again
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1730[14:39:47] <babilen> dpkg: tell yenyen -about radeon
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1731[14:39:51] <babilen> dpkg: tell yenyen -about radeon firmware
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1733[14:40:40] <yenyen> c_c
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1735[14:41:14] <babilen> yenyen: You can ask the bot itself with
"/msg dpkg FOO"
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1746[14:48:38] <toha> system fsck failed
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1747[14:48:59] <toha> how to solve this problem
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1752[14:51:56] <shastry> toha, I would try booting with a
pen-drive, trying a fsck+repair on the disk from there.
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1759[14:54:30] <linuxthefish> dpkg tell me about dpkg
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1761[14:54:48] <toha> Okay I ill try . Actually the problem home
folder mount faild ..
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1765[14:55:22] <linuxthefish> dpkg wtf
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1769[14:56:08] <abrotman> dpkg: tell linuxthefish about dpkg
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1774[14:57:53] <linuxthefish> oh
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1776[14:58:01] <zin> /msg NickServ REGISTER
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1778[14:58:48] <abrotman> linuxthefish: generally, /msg dpkg foo
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1784[15:00:09] <zin> hi
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1785[15:00:17] <linuxthefish> zin, without the first space
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1786[15:00:20] <n4dir> zin: i think you got a space at the
beginning of the command, and i think that won't work.
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1787[15:00:32] <zin> thank uu
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1788[15:00:37] <linuxthefish> /msg NickServ REGISTER
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1789[15:01:31] <zin> hi
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1790[15:01:37] <linuxthefish> hi
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1792[15:01:40] <zin> anyone there
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1793[15:01:43] <zin> ??
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1794[15:01:46] <linuxthefish> yes
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1796[15:02:13] <zin> please tell me the code for installing apps
from repo in kali2.0
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1798[15:02:35] <zin> im getting the error E:unable to
locate..............
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1799[15:02:42] <linuxthefish> try "apt-get update"
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1800[15:02:42] <SirLagz> !kali
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1801[15:02:42] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
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1855[15:25:32] <SerkanDevel[m]> How do install the ubuntu-font
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1857[15:26:36] <abrotman> is it packaged for Debian?
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1928[15:50:44] <teemo> Why does my screen look like that after
boot?
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1930[15:50:58] <teemo> After grub*
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1934[15:51:20] <teemo> It says loading initial ramdisk, iirc then
it chamges to that
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1936[15:51:56] <teemo> Is anyone here?
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1955[15:58:38] <bigpresh> teemo: Is it a CRT monitor? Almost
looks like it's not displaying the image right - dodgy hsync or
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1956[15:58:51] <bigpresh> (Not used one for a *long* time, but I
have vague memories of such oddities)
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1963[16:01:41] <giampli> Hi all, so I'm trying to setup a
multi screen in debian, one is plugged in my motherboard the other
is plugged in a Nvidia 750 ti. My problem is that i tried every
possible guide, driver etc lspci see the two vga, but xrandr can see
only one screen...
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1966[16:03:25] <rant> giampli: is module nv loaded? has it
claimed the pci card?
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1971[16:04:58] <giampli> rant: Nouveau is loaded, i can see it in
lsmod. But how i see if it has claimed the pci?
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1972[16:05:18] <rant> giampli: dmesg output should show the card
being loaded
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1974[16:05:43] <RedSoxFan07> rant: Is Nouveau the one that
supports Optimus? Or is that proprietary driver?
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1975[16:06:23] <rant> RedSoxFan07: nouveau is the open source
nvidia driver idk what it supports specifically, see modinfo
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1978[16:06:41] <babilen> Don't think it works well with
optimus
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1979[16:06:49] <babilen> (but I haven't checked that in
ages)
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1983[16:07:24] <rant> I never really used it.. it was very new
when I had nvidia hw and it was having all those fb issues
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1986[16:08:00] <RedSoxFan07> rant: Okay.
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1987[16:08:04] <RedSoxFan07> babilen: Okay.
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1988[16:08:09] <RedSoxFan07> rant: Oh, okay.
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1992[16:08:44] <RedSoxFan07> I know there's a program called
Bumblebee which takes care of Optimus, but I don't know which
program incorporates it or if it's a stand-alone program.
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1993[16:08:58] <babilen> RedSoxFan07: See
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1995[16:09:12] <RedSoxFan07> babilen: Muchas gracias
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1996[16:09:39] <giampli> rant: so, Nvidia card it's claimed
by nouveau, but the other pci the one connected to the motherboard
say "no bridge control possible" apparently it uses
vgaarb, but after it is enabled by i915
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1999[16:09:51] <babilen> You can use it with nouveau or the
proprietary driver (bumblebee / bumblebee-nvidia). I think I've
mostly seen it being used with the proprietary one.
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2001[16:10:41] <RedSoxFan07> babilen: Yeah, I've heard the
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2002[16:11:27] <RedSoxFan07> Especially for games. And I think it
allows you to overclock your GPU. Though the open source driver
might allow and facilitate overclocking as well.
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2003[16:11:31] <rant> giampli: are you trying to use both these
screens as a xinerama on same server or have hotseat with two
different sessions?
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2004[16:12:19] <tw> nv is better, amdgpu is questionable.
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2005[16:13:12] <giampli> rant: I don't really know what are
you talking about, I'm quite new on debian... I think the
correct response it's that I'm trying to using it as a
xinerama
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i can say yes, I'm trying to use it as a xinerama
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2021[16:16:26] <rant> giampli: does your nvidia card have
multiple outputs?
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2024[16:17:27] <giampli> Yes, not vga and i havent cable for hdmi
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2025[16:17:28] <zxd> i accidently moved libpcre.so.1 to
libpcre.so.1.bak
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2026[16:17:30] <zxd> !
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2027[16:17:33] <zxd> what to do
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2028[16:17:59] <tw> giampli: you probably don't want
xinerama. That's the old way of making a single virtual screen.
paste.debian.net your xrandr -q output.
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2029[16:18:00] <digdilem> mv libpcre.so.1.bak libpcre.so.1
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2030[16:18:09] <rant> giampli: it is in theory possible to use an
integrated gfx with a discrete gfx in dual screen setup but first it
will require custom configuration and secondly its likely to be very
painful using two different cards. In my experience, which is many
years outdated both Intel and open source nvidia drivers are crap
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2034[16:19:04] <rant> intel in particular have huge memory issues
that result in screen scrambling all by themselves
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2035[16:19:37] <rant> giampli: simpler option all around and
freeing up your shared memory from the intel card would be to just
get an adapter or cable and run both displays off the nvidia card
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2037[16:20:06] <rant> less likely to have issues, and easier to
configure because it uses only one card and driver
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2038[16:20:18] <tw> rant: that'd be really surprising
considering the number of modern laptops running intel igpu.
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2039[16:20:31] <zxd> digdilem:
LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib64/libpcre.so.1.bak mv
/usr/lib64/libpcre.so.1.bak /usr/lib64/libpcre.so.1
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‘/usr/lib64/libpcre.so.1.bak’ to
‘/usr/lib64/libpcre.so.1’: Permission denied
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2043[16:20:53] <zxd> digdilem: try moving /usr/lib64/libpcre.so.1
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2046[16:21:14] <digdilem> zxd, do it as root or sudo. if that
doesn't work, copy it and set permissions, or boot to a rescue
cd and do it from there
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2048[16:21:49] <rant> tw: yes I keep hearing intel support has
improved drastically.. and my last experience was a 945gma on an
acer netbook so.. thats not ideal situation :P however I still have
read many recent forums indicating intel gpus still having these
issues with pixelated gfx, lockups, etc
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2049[16:21:58] <giampli> rant: i can't understand why, but
in my xrandr -q there's only one screen connected. And i really
can't understand why on arch in can see both screen
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2053[16:22:42] <rant> giampli: its likely that the x server is
not auto-detecting the other screen, for some reason its just
preferring the simpler approach of getting one to work
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2054[16:22:49] <zxd> digdilem: can't sudo or su requires
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2055[16:23:00] <rant> giampli: you'd need to paste the
xorg.log to see whats going on
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2057[16:23:16] <tw> zxd: try su -s /bin/dash
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2062[16:24:40] <rant> giampli: /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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2063[16:24:41] <tw> giampli: /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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tape on that one.. flash finish there..
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2070[16:25:54] <zxd> strangly ldd /bin/dash dosen't show it
needing libpcre.so.1 but strace says it tries to open it
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2072[16:26:20] <babilen> Can't you preload it for that also?
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2074[16:26:44] <tw> babilen: he can't PRELOAD with su,
it's stripped by suid.
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2075[16:26:50] <babilen> If all else fails, fire up a live distro
and fix it from there
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2076[16:26:55] <tw> zxd: try from console as jelly suggested. If
you can't get in, you're going to need to use a rescue
disk.
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2079[16:28:09] <jelly> zxd: which debian release is this?
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2081[16:29:31] <jelly> /usr/lib64 sounds rather old
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2082[16:29:34] <cybrNaut> There are many Chromium-based browsers
popping up lately which remove the privacy-abusive features of stock
Chromium. But my attempt at "aptitude search '~d
chromium'" is came up dry, and only shows the official
(dodgy) version
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2084[16:30:22] <cybrNaut> i guess i'm limited to 3rd party
repos at this point.. any good Debian packages based on Chromium?
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2086[16:30:36] <awal1> is Sebastian Reichel around?
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2090[16:31:34] <rant> cybrNaut: are you just assuming this
chromium package has whatever features you're concerned about
or did you actually investigate? Debian packages are highly modified
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2092[16:31:50] <zxd> jelly: it's fedora
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2095[16:32:17] <tw> !fedora
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of Linux, although it is not supported by Red Hat officially, you
can get help from the community: #fedora on irc.freenode.net.
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2107[16:34:40] <cybrNaut> rant: i didn't realize a debian
package would make significant changes to what's upstream
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different options than debian, and that can affect the options you
have available to work around this issue. Best ask in #fedora or
##linux (or just fire up a livecd/liveusb, mount and fix)
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2111[16:35:33] <jelly> I doubt their /bin/sh is dash, for one
thing
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2120[16:38:15] <rant> cybrNaut: then you dont know much about
Debian.. because our maintainers hack the crap out of most things
when they package them.. how do you think we wind up with same
version numbers for 2 years or more? You think we just hang on to
all kinds of security flaws the whole time?
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2129[16:39:13] <davis> I'm trying to build some code which
uses a mix of system libs and one lib i have built myself.
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2130[16:39:15] <tw> rant: browsers are a little different. I
think the maintainers package the upstream release because of the
sheer number of patches they'd have to go through.
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2131[16:39:23] <zxd> jelly: dosen't matter if dash or not
can't become root
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2133[16:39:28] <davis> to get the new include and lib for my
custom build lib, I added this to compile and link lines
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2134[16:39:44] <davis> -I/home/.../custom/usr/local/../include
and -L/home/.../custom/usr/local/lib
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2136[16:39:52] <davis> so the code compiles but fails to link
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2137[16:39:57] <tw> zxd: The problem is we couldn't even
replicate your error if we wanted to.
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2138[16:40:02] <davis> it looks like its finding the new code in
link stage but not finding existing libs.
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2139[16:40:12] <tw> zxd: there's so many system differences,
it'd be a waste of everyone's time.
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2140[16:40:13] <davis> ie.
/home/davis/progs/notmine/curl/lib/version.c:104: undefined
reference to `zlibVersion'
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2145[16:42:04] <rant> tw: it may be so, I'm just pointing
out that without investigating what privacy issues, and if they
actually exist in the package, you can't just go believing
everying you read on the internet
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2146[16:42:05] <cybrNaut> rant> cybrNaut: then you dont know
much about Debian <= this is why i'm here -- and it would
have be here, b/c privacy-centric browser reviews certainly
aren't making any mention of Debian's variation of
Chromium being an option
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2148[16:42:38] <srandon111> how can i check which program
generated a specific configuration file in my home ?
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2150[16:42:45] <srandon111> e.g., if i have .randomfile in my
home...
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2151[16:42:51] <srandon111> how can i know who generated this ?
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2152[16:42:54] <rant> cybrNaut: I'll admit our browser
choices in Debian are limited.. and if you're really concerned
about privacy then maybe you should look into tor-browser or such
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2153[16:42:56] <jelly> davis: if you want any help, pastebin the
whole output of the build process, or at the very least the whole ld
command and output
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2154[16:43:13] <jelly> srandon111: in general, you can't
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2155[16:43:26] <rant> cybrNaut: just dont believe everything you
read without looking into it first.. figure out what features
specifically, then check our changelogs and such
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2156[16:43:27] <cybrNaut> rant: tor browser is what i'm
fleeing from
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2158[16:43:45] <giampli> rant:the only (EE) in my log (other that
not found chipset 117) in that it can't load nv module, but i
font know what is it
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2159[16:43:52] <rant> cybrNaut: ah. I found tor browser to be
pretty good aside from being very paranoid..
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2162[16:45:15] <rant> giampli: nv is the open source noveau
driver, and that error would be why you dont see that card in your
xrandr output.. try manually unloading/loading nv with modprobe -r
nv; modprobe nv then check the tail end of the dmesg log for any
errors
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2163[16:45:15] <cybrNaut> tor browser is based on firefox, so
inherits the lack of security features in that respect w/out adding
anything significant -- then torproject naively stripped out
profiles, which actually improve security not hinder it. Please the
torbrowser popup nags are annoying
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2164[16:46:08] <cybrNaut> rant: chromium is substantially better
than firefox w/security features.. it's just the privacy
intrusive features that they embedded that need to be stripped out..
then you have something that is secure and privacy-respecting
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2167[16:46:33] <shtrb> chromium is not the privacy enabled
version ?
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2169[16:46:50] <rant> cybrNaut: you do realize chromium is not
chrome right?
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2170[16:47:28] <cybrNaut> rant: afaik, the difference between
chrome and chromium is zero w.r.t. google's data feed that
phones home
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2171[16:47:44] <somiaj> rant: nv and noveau are different open
drivers, nv is the older driver that doens't get much support
these days. nouveau would be prefered.
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2173[16:47:51] <cybrNaut> otherwise there would be no reason to
strip privacy intrusions from ChromIUM
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2174[16:47:58] <giampli> rant: when i try to load it, it say that
module nv isn't founded, even if i have
xserver-xorg-video-nouveau installed
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2175[16:48:25] <cybrNaut> there are 6 popular chromium forks
i'm considering, which de-googlify chromium
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2178[16:49:04] <hiya> cybrNaut: which one is the best? That works
with Amazon PrimeVideo?
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2179[16:49:19] <celyr> google chrome is the bet
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2180[16:49:24] <celyr> best*
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2181[16:49:46] <celyr> you can stick some black tape on the
screen where is wrote google if this bother you
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2182[16:49:57] <cybrNaut> hiya: so far i've just put the
list together (ungoogled-chromium, iridium, epic, comodo dragon,
brave, and inox)
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2183[16:50:09] <cybrNaut> no idea how they stand up next to each
other yey
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2184[16:50:11] <cybrNaut> *yet
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2185[16:50:36] <hiya> cybrNaut: hmm. I think Brave is good option
out of those
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2186[16:50:55] <EnchanterTim> Hello good morning, I am setting up
roundcube, and when I go to delete my email, it says: Server Error:
UID MOVE: Mailbox doesn't exist: Trash (0.000 + 0.000 secs).
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2187[16:51:12] <cybrNaut> hiya: one thing I read about brave (in
wikipedia) is that they block ads, then place their own ads
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2188[16:51:23] <EnchanterTim> It seems when I try to delete an
email, the dovecot or roundcube, one of those I think, is unable to
create a trash folder
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2189[16:51:27] <EnchanterTim> Could this be a permission issue?
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2190[16:51:35] <hiya> cybrNaut: lol
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2191[16:51:39] <hiya> it is nice idea
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2192[16:51:43] <EnchanterTim> I have virtual mailboxes in
/var/vmail/ and the perms seem ok
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2194[16:52:14] <EnchanterTim>
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2195[16:52:28] <cybrNaut> hiya: so someone should fork Brave, and
strip out their ads
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2199[16:52:43] <cybrNaut> at least they'd have a better
starting point than forking Chromium
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2206[16:57:21] <EnchanterTim>
$config['create_default_folders'] is the setting
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2208[16:58:22] <rant> giampli: video drivers have to parts, that
part is the xserver driver, nv is the kernel driver
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2211[16:59:09] <rant> giampli: you should have nv in your
kernel.. paste on paste.debian.net the output of uname -a; modinfo
nv
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2213[16:59:35] <somiaj> giampli: nv is not the same as nouveau.
If using nouveau you need the nouveau kms module loaded and the
nouveau xorg driver. You should nto be using 'nv'
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2238[17:08:53] <giampli_> rant: so here it is my xorg.conf
generated with Xorg -configure
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2244[17:09:35] <rant> somiaj: thanks for chiming in. I thought
they were the same.
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2245[17:09:43] <giampli_> rant: i could't find any error
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2246[17:10:24] <rant> I gotta head out soon, and have things to
do to get ready so I'm far from comitted to working thise out
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2248[17:10:41] <somiaj> giampli: if using nouveau you should not
have to generate an xorg.conf file, it would be best to use an empty
file and see if the nouveau is automatically detected.
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2250[17:10:53] <giampli_> rank: no problem. thank a lot
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2253[17:11:16] <somiaj> empty, or just a non-existant file should
be fine on most systems for nouveau.
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2255[17:11:40] <giampli_> somiaj: yes, nouveau is detected but
intel not used, so it work only one screen.
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2257[17:12:16] <somiaj> giampli_: so you want to use two
different graphics cards?
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2258[17:12:18] <giampli_> somiaj: with the xorg generated
it's intel who take control
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2259[17:12:46] <giampli_> i've one screen on the mb and one
on my nvidia 750 ti
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2260[17:13:03] <somiaj> I would use a blank config file, and then
use xrandr --list-providers to see if both cards are seen by xrandr.
If so then you can configured xrandr to use both cards
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2263[17:13:52] <giampli_> somiaj: no they aren't if i leave
it blank
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2270[17:17:17] <somiaj> if xrandr is not seeing both cards with a
blank config, it may not be possible to configure both to work with
xrandr. Unsure if it is worth trying to use the depriciated xinemra
for this.
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2277[17:21:02] <binary106> hi my boss wants me to "encrypt
the server" but on a big-picture level I can't think how
this would make it more secure.. because the decryption key will be
on the server hard disk right?
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2289[17:25:48] <abrotman> binary106: yes, it would. The idea is
the disks cannot be pulled and used elsewhere. Or if you sell the
used disks, the data should be more secure if they disks are not
correctly wiped.
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2293[17:26:32] <binary106> thanks - does that apply even with
Digitalocean VPS
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2294[17:27:06] <binary106> wait, if they pull the disks.. wont
they have the decryption key though?
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2296[17:27:21] <binary106> or are you assuming TPM would be used?
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2298[17:28:28] <FinalX> if it had been a physical server, you
could've used things like TPM or even a more easy-to-use
Nitrokey to have the key stored in that.
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2302[17:29:01] <binary106> Nitrokey sounds interesting :D is it
usb?
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2303[17:29:45] <binary106> ooh that sounds like the new Google
UFA
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2323[17:34:09] <awal1> how can I get all pkgs available on debian
OS?
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2324[17:34:18] <awal1> via cli
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2327[17:34:31] <babilen> Define "get"
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2328[17:34:36] <awal1> libs excludes
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2332[17:34:54] <awal1> list them all , babilen
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2335[17:35:28] <awal1> something like dpkg -l including non
installed
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2339[17:36:20] <awal1> i mean all the GNU/Linux software
available in debian
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2340[17:36:47] <EnchanterTim> you can use aptitude to browse
packages
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2341[17:36:57] <awal1> I know
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2342[17:37:06] <awal1> it is for school purposes
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2343[17:37:26] <babilen> What are you trying to do?
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2346[17:38:11] <EnchanterTim> you can try to list all the
available packages like this maybe: apt-cache search ^.* |less
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2347[17:38:23] <babilen> dpkg: homeworl
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2348[17:38:23] <dpkg> babilen: I don't know, could you
explain it?
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2349[17:38:24] <babilen> dpkg: homework
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2350[17:38:29] <babilen> dpkg: homework
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2351[17:38:29] <dpkg> somebody said homework was something you
should do yourself.
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2354[17:39:24] <EnchanterTim> It's okay to ask for help.
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2357[17:39:44] <EnchanterTim> You're still doing your own
work. No one is doing it for you. But it's okay to ask for
help.
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2358[17:39:49] <awal1> well, what I want is list all what I can
list going to
replaced-url
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2359[17:40:38] <Nekojimi> awal1, I think apt-cache might be the
command to look into
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2360[17:40:47] <EnchanterTim> I told him the exact command.
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2362[17:41:09] <Nekojimi> Oh sorry, didn't see :P
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2364[17:41:43] <awal1> EnchanterTim, that will not list pkgs
available in other repos not present in my sources.list :P
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2366[17:42:10] <EnchanterTim> untrue
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2372[17:42:56] <EnchanterTim> It will even list packages you
downloaded and installed using dpkg -i
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2373[17:42:57] <awal1> hm, I was just guessing.
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2374[17:43:12] <EnchanterTim> You're making me type more and
that annoys me.
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2377[17:43:24] <awal1> hm, ok, sorry :)
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2378[17:43:49] <awal1> let me check apt-cache man
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2381[17:44:07] <awal1> I doubted bcoz I was googling and havent
found a good answer
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2386[17:45:03] <babilen> awal1: Why do you need a list of *all*
packages? Wouldn't it suffice to be able to ask about specific
ones?
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2387[17:45:03] <awal1> then I said "it can't so easy
such as apt-cache search ^.* "
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2388[17:45:26] <EnchanterTim> Why would a homework assignment ask
you do something no one would ever really do.
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2389[17:45:30] <babilen> And how is this related to school? I
mean what's the end goal and what is your homework?
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2390[17:45:38] <EnchanterTim> Do you not fully understand the
assignment?
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2391[17:45:47] <EnchanterTim> Confusing!
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2393[17:45:55] <awal1> babilen, it is a atter of comparing
gnu-linux distros and available software for a samall scholl reserch
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2394[17:46:36] <FinalX> binary106: yeah, it's usb :)
replaced-url
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2395[17:46:43] <awal1> well, the point is how to do it not why :P
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2396[17:47:06] <awal1> thanks guys :P EnchanterTim (Y)
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2397[17:47:12] <EnchanterTim> *nod*
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2399[17:47:15] <binary106> i wonder if they took the disks,
they'd just take the usb dongle too
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2403[17:47:49] <FinalX> binary106: well, you'd unlock the
private key with a PIN, and if there's more than X wrong PIN
attempts, the private key space is destroyed
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2404[17:48:02] <FinalX> binary106: if the physical device is
tampered with, the private key space is also destroyed
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2406[17:48:47] <FinalX> plus you can keep a backup at home/office
and restore it to a new nitrokey, too
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2407[17:48:52] <binary106> that's inconvenient in a data
center
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2410[17:49:27] <FinalX> howso? people shouldn't be
abusing/misusing the physical key. if it wouldn't get
destroyed, someone could keep iterating until they got your key
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2411[17:49:41] <FinalX> just keep a backup of the key in an
offsite location (/safe)
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2412[17:50:07] <FinalX> their cheapest option is $29 btw
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2415[17:52:14] <babilen> awal1: The point is that there are a
myriad ways to achieve what you say you are after, but the best
approach depends on your needs. As you can't seem to formulate
them, there's little we can really do.
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2420[17:52:52] <binary106> so in the UK there is a new law coming
in May called GDPR which means we have to notify customers in case
of a breach. But not if the hacker failed to decrypt the data. a)
how would one tell if a hacker decrypted or not, b) how would you
prevent a hacker decrypting when the dongle/key file is present in
the same server
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2422[17:53:22] <babilen> Much like many others laws and ongoing
processes: The gov doesn't have a clue
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2423[17:53:43] <binary106> i know, all governments suck (what
have any ever done to improve our lives?)
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2425[17:53:55] <binary106> but the fines are 4% of worldwide
annual turnover, so a lot.
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2427[17:54:33] <babilen> Well, I can think of many examples, but
I can think of no way to answer the question "Has my data been
decrypted?"
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2428[17:54:54] <FinalX> a) if the hacker is good enough, you
won't be able to tell unless you have very extensive logging
that can perhaps log access to the private key and b) a key file by
itself can be copied off the server silently, and often does not
have a password or PIN (it should, though). A hardware dongle can
not be copied but only physically removed. Access to the private key
store often requires a PIN and attempts to
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2429[17:54:56] <FinalX> access the data with wrong PINs, results
in not being able to decrypt the data at all.
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2431[17:55:28] <FinalX> Keep in mind that it's far more
likely for you to have your encrypted disks fully readable by having
them mounted in the first place.
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2432[17:55:34] <binary106> very nice, but how would the server
reboot without a human present?
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2433[17:55:43] <FinalX> So any attacker would just have to gain
access to the server remotely to see the data, without having to
decrypt it themselves.
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2434[17:55:49] <FinalX> Disk encryption does not help you in any
way there.
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2435[17:56:01] <binary106> indeed. Same story for mysql-level
encryption?
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2436[17:56:03] <FinalX> Disk encryption helps if your disks are
physically obtained.
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2438[17:56:13] <babilen> FinalX: The attacker might very well be
exploiting a specific issue or throw the computing power of every
computer on earth at the problem .. There is literally no way to
answer the question of "Has it been decrypted?" if the
data has been stolen
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2439[17:56:26] <babilen> The best you can come up with is
"highly unlikely"
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2441[17:56:46] <FinalX> babilen: By default, all data IS usually
already decrypted when it's mounted in the first place, so
it's safe to assume the attacker doesn't have to decrypt
the data.
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2443[17:57:18] <binary106> so dongle/tpm makes it highly unlikely
for offline vector, so is a key file is a big no-no?
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2444[17:57:41] <babilen> It's much easier to say "It
has been decrypted" than it is to answer "It
hasn't" (if this sounds familiar, I intentionally make
that reference)
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2445[17:58:00] <binary106> indeed
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2446[17:58:23] <binary106> my battle is with my bosses. Their
battle is upstream to government.
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2448[17:58:34] <FinalX> you need to access your data, so in any
case where *you* access the data, you already decrypted it *for*
them.
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2450[17:58:57] <FinalX> law enforcement does the same thing, as
do corporate spies.
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2454[17:59:03] <babilen> binary106: In the end you'll have
to figure out what's "good enough" and needed to
comply with the law (there might not be much case law to rely on
though)
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2456[17:59:31] <FinalX> it's much easier to just gain access
to a sysadmin's details and use that to get into highly secure
environments than do anything else, while things are still running,
without anyone ever being the wiser
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2457[17:59:41] <binary106> i guess the boss wants "fully
encrypted" but that is technically impossible right
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2458[18:00:02] <FinalX> not if you still want to access your data
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2461[18:00:34] <MaxFrames> hello
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2462[18:00:38] <babilen> But yeah, GDPR is a lot of work
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2463[18:00:48] <binary106> the workload is all this
second-guessing
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2465[18:01:04] <binary106> i'm certain GDPR doesnt mean
"get physical servers with TPM"
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2466[18:01:13] <FinalX> I mean, my website has the highest
security I can offer, my disks are very highly encrypted, and my
websites are all containerized by themselves individually. But
there's never a 100% guarantee that there's not some
exploit in the site, and then a kernel exploit we don't know
about, and the attacker gains access to the host system, then has
full unlimited access to the unencrypted data.
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2467[18:01:41] <binary106> final, if i pulled your disks.. i
couldn't decrypt??
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2470[18:02:07] <MaxFrames> silly question but please bear with
me: I have an arpwatch daemon on debian, which uses exim4 to send
mail; the debian machine is not registered in any dns; I have
problems sending email to certain recipients because their mail
servers don't like my HELO message, and rightly so (the host
only advertises as "hostname" without a FQDN)
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2471[18:02:09] <FinalX> not without my hardware key, no. and my
server only reboots when I want it to, and I have to enter my
passphrase from serial console.
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2472[18:02:18] <binary106> ahh
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2473[18:02:22] <binary106> interesting
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2475[18:02:37] <binary106> what is your system called?
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2477[18:03:03] <MaxFrames> is there a way to configure exim4 to
use a FQDN, and will a FQDN like "hostname.local" or the
like suffice, or do I need to actually register my host in the DNS
as a mail server with the appropriate records?
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2479[18:03:23] <babilen> binary106: You will have a data
protection officer and that person should™ know how to ensure
that your processes are compliant. We aren't done with that
process, but for your specific issue the regulation says
"unless the personal data breach is unlikely to result in a
risk to the rights and freedoms of natural persons"
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2480[18:03:41] <FinalX> plus our datacenter conforms to the
ISAE3000 norms, verified personnel etc.
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2483[18:04:10] <babilen> binary106: We interpret that as: If
encrypted data has been stolen, we do *not* have to notify (as it is
unlikely that the encryption has been broken)
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2484[18:04:12] <FinalX> binary106: what system? disk encryption?
using LUKS for it, at the moment
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2485[18:04:16] <MaxFrames> I mean, in order for a well configured
remote mail server to accept mail from us, is it enough to have any
dotted fqdn, even if it's .local or .whatever?
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2492[18:05:35] <binary106> babilen: yea but how do you know they
didnt steal the key too. Am I going to have to hire a guy to go
round all my instances and type in passwords over serial?
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2494[18:05:54] <binary106> one of the rights of citizens, is the
right to be "forgotten" so depending how anal they are,
they might include that
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2495[18:06:06] <FinalX> binary106: whether encryption makes sense
to protect against data being stolen from physically stolen disks,
you should review where you server is hosted and their track record.
imo you should always be doing it as a base. especially also because
if you replace disks and toss the old one, that old one can be read
if not encrypted by anyone that fishes it out of the garbage (or
shred them..)
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2497[18:06:47] <binary106> ok. I hate laws. I've got zero
taken away from this. I still don't know what to do with my VPS
instances
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2498[18:06:55] <FinalX> encryption for systems that are online on
the internet, especially with websites running on them that are
public-facing, will not offer that much security towards the
"know if the attacker obtained encrypted or decrypted
data", because that data will always be decrypted
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2501[18:07:36] <FinalX> VPS instances inherently can not be 100%
secure, the hosting company always has some form of control over it.
but you can make it decent enough. and the hosting provider also has
to comply.
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2502[18:07:48] <binary106> ahhh i think i figured it, thanks to
all your comments.. the "encryption" clause is for old
hard disks at the landfill and in transit, yeahhh, since they WONT
have the private key alongside them!! woot
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2503[18:08:02] <FinalX> yeah
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2507[18:09:19] <FinalX> I had an incident some time ago where I
rolled out an Ubuntu 16.04 LXC-container with /data auto-mounted
into it. But it had a default passwordless "ubuntu" user
in it with full sudo-permissions, without password even, by default
as per the lxc-template.. so even though my disks were fully
encrypted, they technically still had access to whatever data was in
there, without me knowing.
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2508[18:09:20] <thow> any clue why snmptrapd doesn't start?
i get snmptrapd: symbol lookup error:
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libnetsnmptrapd.so.30: undefined symbol:
my_progname
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2510[18:09:35] <FinalX> (there was not really much in there that
was sensitive at all, but still)
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2519[18:12:51] <binary106> i wonder if LUKS can request the
private key over TLS from a central server
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2522[18:13:15] <binary106> so every boot i'd get a nice
audit log, and it would hold key in RAM
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2525[18:13:41] <FinalX> binary106: I think technically it can use
pcks11 and that can work with a remote server, there's some
software that does that
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2527[18:14:01] <FinalX> binary106: I was thinking of actually
making my own sort of HSM with a raspberry pi zero with that, hooked
up with usb to my server
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2529[18:14:15] <FinalX> forgot what it was called though
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2532[18:14:39] <binary106> i mean keeping that Pi at a different
site would make sense to me
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2533[18:15:05] <FinalX> sure, which is also possible, but then
you also need to trust the network in between
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2534[18:15:13] <binary106> why with TLS?
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2535[18:15:20] <binary106> a robber could steal your Pi too right
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2538[18:15:27] <binary106> and that has unencrypted key on it?
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2540[18:15:45] <tw> Yes you can set up such a thing, no you
don't need to trust the network if you have the tls cert
pinned.
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2541[18:15:51] <FinalX> sure; but TLS is only as secure as you
make it.
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2546[18:16:29] <binary106> 16777216 bit with thumbprint pinned
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2547[18:16:46] <FinalX> to me a remote location isn't that
necessary really, as the part of the datacenter it's in is only
accessible by me and my coworkers (we have our own DC)
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2550[18:17:12] <FinalX> I could, but I choose not to :)
there's also the latency part, though for a once-per-reboot
kinda thing it doesn't matter much.
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2551[18:17:28] <binary106> i think latency of a human typing key
over serial is greater :D
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2552[18:17:44] <FinalX> for this purpose, yes
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2569[18:22:11] <tw> finalx: Are you going to fully automate it,
or have a key-release mechanism from the host?
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2575[18:23:11] <FinalX> I'm not 100% sure what I'll be
doing yet :)
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2577[18:24:15] <tw> An acquaintence of mine uses a server hosted
script to release the LUKS unlock passphrase to the client if he
approves release on his smartphone.
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2578[18:24:35] <FinalX> that's cool :)
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2579[18:24:38] <tw> there's security problems with that, but
you could work around it with like shamir's secret sharing or
something.
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2580[18:24:48] <FinalX> there's always something tbh
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2584[18:26:21] <tw> Ideally, the unlock machine would be
cryptographically blind to the unlock key and you'd just do
some challenge response to generate the unlock key, but I'm not
that good at cryptosystems to make it work.
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2588[18:27:36] <tw> (with a random challenge that always produces
something that can be used to generate an unlock key.)
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2591[18:28:11] <Tsutsukakushi> i think the term you're
looking for is remote attestation
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2599[18:29:07] <MaxFrames> any1?
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2607[18:30:17] <FinalX> my server pretty much only gets rebooted
on kernel upgrades, and only if I do it manually. but, my own
personal server is probably worth the least in the DC anyway :) and
related: we once had law enforcement at our DC with a warrant to
seize hardware of a customer, but the warrant didn't cover
access to the DC, so we disallowed them access... :)
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2608[18:30:59] <tw> MaxFrames: is your exim server going to be
interacting with remote mail servers? If yes, you need an actual
domain name because a lot of services (ie gmail, yahoo, outlook.com)
check.
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2609[18:31:11] <FinalX> MaxFrames: I'm not familiar with
exim at all, but I'm pretty sure you can just use the name of
whatever you set up for that host by default (during installation)
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2615[18:31:58] <tw> MaxFrames: If no, you can set the
primary_hostname directive for exim and set the same domain name for
a local IP in /etc/hosts
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2617[18:32:26] <davis> here is my results, source, failure, etc
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2619[18:32:27] <davis>
replaced-url
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2621[18:32:29] <MaxFrames> FinalX: during installation I did not
set up a fqdn for this machine
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2623[18:32:53] <MaxFrames> I'd prefer, for the moment, not
to change the hostname but only change the fqdn used by exim
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2624[18:33:03] <greycat> Doesn't really matter what you did
during install. It's trivial to edit /etc/hosts.
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2626[18:33:12] <MaxFrames> I am going to interact with remote
servers, yes
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2627[18:33:20] <greycat> the system hostname shouldn't have
to change
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2628[18:33:25] <MaxFrames> no side effects to edit /etc/hosts?
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2630[18:34:24] <greycat> The real question is whether you
legitimately *own* a domain.
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2634[18:35:51] <tw> MaxFrames: I can tell you most servers will
autoflag your server as spam if forward dns sent as HELO/EHLO does
not match the reverse DNS for the IP.
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2635[18:36:01] <tw> Mine will just close the connection.
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2636[18:36:05] <MaxFrames> my organization does. I would have to
have them register this internal host, whose only purpouse is to
monitor arpwatch _in lan_
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2638[18:36:24] <MaxFrames> the remote server, though, belongs to
my organization
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2642[18:36:33] <tw> Ah, then you're probably fine if you
control the config.
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2644[18:36:51] <tw> MaxFrames: editing /etc/hosts is not a cause
for concern. You can always undo it.
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2648[18:38:06] <MaxFrames> ok for the hostname
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2653[18:38:32] <MaxFrames> but I don't control the remote
mail server. my arpwatch machine belongs to my department and
it's used just for that
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2655[18:38:51] <MaxFrames> the mail server (I need to send mail
to users on this server) belongs to the organization / campus
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2656[18:38:59] <greycat> If you have a "remote mail
server" already, perhaps you should just be configuring your
machine to send (relay) outgoing mail through that.
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2657[18:38:59] <MaxFrames> I dunno if they can
"whitelist" my machine
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2659[18:39:12] <MaxFrames> right
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2660[18:39:59] <greycat> Do you have a mail address/account on
the "remote mail server"? If so, just try sending mail to
yourself there (after configuring exim appropriately) and see what
happens.
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2663[18:41:05] <MaxFrames> yep
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2762[19:19:05] <EnchanterTim> I just configured exim4, dovecot,
roundcube, spamassassin, and the rest of the email auth lot.
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2763[19:19:44] <EnchanterTim> It was... an experience. People
say, oh, you'll pull your hair out. 1) I'm going bald
already, np. 2) It's not that hard/complicated. I think mostly
people say that b/c they don't fully understand MX
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2764[19:20:08] <koollman> it is non-trivial
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2766[19:20:17] <EnchanterTim> True. Anything but trivial.
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2770[19:20:52] <EnchanterTim> I spend a few days reading docs.
Then it took me 3 days to get everything going, working full time
and doing home admin stuff few hours a day.
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2772[19:21:08] <EnchanterTim> had I not scoured through the docs,
it would have taken much much longer.
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2774[19:21:24] <EnchanterTim> That's the trouble w/
following those online tutorials on how to setup a perfect server
with debian, exim4, dovecot , blah blah
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2776[19:21:33] <EnchanterTim> They don't explain anything
about the nature of mail exchanges.
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2780[19:21:59] <zbychuk> is there a way to boot debian installer
and install base system and packages from a .ISO files on the same
USB drive?
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2781[19:22:00] <koollman> I sometimes use one of these, but
merely as a reminder/checklist of things I have to do (I rarely
setup email servers anymore)
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2783[19:22:09] <EnchanterTim> *nod*
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2787[19:22:37] <EnchanterTim> I've about 20+ domains. Each
domain needs 4-5 boxex. I can't afford to pay a few bucks per
box, that wouuld easly add up w/ a third party provider
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2788[19:23:09] <koollman> zbychuk: not directly. but you can make
a bootable usb drive from .iso file
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2789[19:23:23] <EnchanterTim> zbychuk: yes
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2791[19:23:31] <EnchanterTim> Zyferus: use the hd-media installer
please.
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2792[19:23:53] <EnchanterTim> it will find the iso file on the
bootable usb you created. It doesn't need an additional device
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2793[19:24:06] <EnchanterTim> !tell zbychuk about i-g
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2796[19:24:38] <koollman> I think you can do it directly from
.iso too. But maybe you have to run syslinux on it, I do not
remember
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2799[19:25:16] <EnchanterTim> A.2.4. Booting from hard disk
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2804[19:25:49] <EnchanterTim> Create a bootable usb, put grub
installer on it, create your menuentries to boot this kernel/ramdisk
and put the iso file on top of the disk root
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2805[19:26:11] <EnchanterTim> If you have any kind of an OS on
the machine, you don't need usb, you can do a poor man's
instal
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2806[19:26:35] <EnchanterTim> if you have networking, you can run
the netboot initrd/kernel and boot the debian installer, which will
fetch the installer, then the base system, then whatever else you n
eed.
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2850[19:41:42] <indistylo> I downloaded debian 9 Stretch amd64
image, made bootable usb, installed it on acer travelmate p249 by
enabling legacy mode in UEFI , dual boot with windows. Now after
detaching usb when I rebooted laptop, I cant see Grub loader. any
way to fix uefi dual boot issue? tried this
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2905[20:00:49] <awal1> apt-cache search ^.* perfect :)
EnchanterTim :)
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2907[20:01:22] <awal1> 56870 pkgs ;)
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2909[20:02:01] <mr__tea> apt-cache search ^.* |wc -l
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2910[20:02:02] <mr__tea> 51001
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2914[20:03:42] <awal1> EnchanterTim 1, mr__tea 0
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2915[20:03:46] <awal1> :)
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2916[20:04:19] <jelly> mr__tea: you could just apt-cache search ^
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2919[20:05:24] <RedSoxFan07> or use something like Synaptic or
Software-Center.
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2920[20:05:33] <mr__tea> I could just use the $ as well :)
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2921[20:05:48] <mr__tea> show me the $
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2930[20:09:11] <peope> What is the default desktop enviroment?
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2932[20:09:17] <greycat> whatever you want
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2933[20:09:40] <peope> When downloading an iso. What is the
"standard" desktop enviroment?
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2934[20:09:51] <greycat> Idiots end up with GNOME. Somehow.
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2935[20:09:56] <greycat> Is that what you wanted to know?
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2937[20:10:17] <mistermonday> peope: When using netinstall, or a
network mirror, the "debian desktop environment" option
has always been GNOME3 for me.
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2938[20:10:33] <peope> mistermonday: thank you kindly :)
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2939[20:11:05] <peope> greycat: not really. I was simply
wondering what desktop enviroment would be considered
"standard" for most people
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2941[20:11:28] <greycat> I don't understand the question.
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2943[20:11:33] <annadane> if you select debian desktop
environment with no other selection you do, indeed, get gnome
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2944[20:11:38] <RedSoxFan07> greycat: mistermonday: I always
choose GNOME 3.
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2946[20:11:44] <peope> In order to ge the "correct"
iso. I don't know if there is a desktop-enviroment neutral iso
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2947[20:11:56] <annadane> peope, netinstall is de neutral
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2948[20:11:57] <linuxthefish> peope it's a personal
question, i like xfce for my lower spec laptop and cinnamon for my
main pc
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2949[20:12:00] <RedSoxFan07> The installer lets you choose.
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2950[20:12:02] <greycat> GNOME is such a festering piece of shit,
and completely unsupportable, and yet it seems to be the one that
people end up running when they literally don't know ANYTHING,
like, even the fact that they're using GNOME.
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2953[20:12:20] <greycat> !netinst > peope
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2955[20:12:25] <RedSoxFan07> greycat: I think you're
tallking about Unity
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2956[20:12:25] <greycat> grr, wrong bot
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2957[20:12:32] <greycat> !netinst
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2958[20:12:32] <dpkg> i guess netinst is a small CD image with
which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process
you have a working Internet connection, you can install more
packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and
more packages later. See
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2959[20:12:39] <peope> There are quite a few options for
downloading an iso. Need it on a thumbdrive:
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2961[20:12:49] <greycat> you either use the netinst, or the
netinst-with-nonfree-firmware
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2962[20:12:56] <greycat> then you CHOOSE which DE you want, if
any
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2963[20:13:03] <peope> greycat: thank you :)
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2964[20:13:25] <mistermonday> peope: If you don't mind me
giving a response to that, the desktop that is "standard"
really varies per person and disto, debian seems to select GNOME by
default, because it hold a place as one of the more prominant,
common and oldest options. I personally use XFCE, because for me, it
is the only one I can reliably work and use across all my machines
without difficulty.
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2965[20:13:38] <greycat> oh fuck me, your URL has
"live" in it. DO NOT USE A LIVE IMAGE FOR INSTALLATION!
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2967[20:13:45] <greycat> Gods. No wonder his questions made no
sense.
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2969[20:14:12] <indistylo> it says, Security boot fail
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2972[20:14:49] <peope> greycat: it is if my computer messes up
with a windows 10 install and my debian partition is gone. I need
some tools. Including reinstalling my current ubuntu
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2974[20:16:01] <greycat> unless live-9.2 has FINALLY fixed all
the bugs the EVERY Debian live image has had for the last several
years, you should never attempt to use a Debian live image for
installation
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2975[20:16:52] <peope> greycat: I basically need to be able to
get into console and be able to install a bootloader
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2977[20:17:08] <greycat> for which most people use the netinst
image that they installed with
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2978[20:17:30] <greycat> either with or without nonfree firmware
depending on whether your networking hardware requires it
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2979[20:17:47] <peope> Plus a live-usb-drive isn't a bad
thing to have
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2980[20:18:11] <peope> If I need to help a friend or just show
off debian
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2981[20:18:22] <mistermonday> peope: if you are not installing a
whole os, a live image that lets you boot into a fairly normal shell
session should probably work fine.
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2983[20:18:38] <greycat> In both of those cases, you would choose
the DE you actually LIKE, not the one you think "most people
use".
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2985[20:19:30] <peope> greycat: I was unsure if
"cinnamon" was just a DE or if it was the "base"
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2987[20:19:40] <greycat> !cinnamon
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2988[20:19:40] <dpkg> Cinnamon is a fork of <GNOME Shell>
initially developed by the Linux Mint distribution. Packaged since
Debian 8 "Jessie", ask me about <install cinnamon>.
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2990[20:19:52] <peope> I've been out of the game for a few
years
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2993[20:20:09] <greycat> GNOME has become so bad that people are
forking it and maintaining older versions of it.
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2994[20:20:10] <peope> greycat: merci :)
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3011[20:27:46] <awal1> peope, i seriously think that xfce is the
good one. you can just use a good wm such as openbox
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3012[20:28:46] <awal1> icewm and fluxbox are very easy to config
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3015[20:29:33] <annadane> you could also use emacs, it just lacks
a good text editor
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3016[20:29:35] <annadane> anyway
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3029[20:36:34] <yenyen> cinnamon is currently running without
video hardware acceleration :s
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3039[20:39:03] <p3rs3us> hey guys, I am having a problem changing
the background image of my second screen in xfce 4.12. There is a
bug regarding this in
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3040[20:39:04] <judd> Bug
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3045[20:41:28] <p3rs3us> oh yes, question. How do I fix it? Or
should I let my 2nd monitor have the debian logo, for ever?
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3046[20:42:04] <mr__tea> debian4ever
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3048[20:42:46] <p3rs3us> mr__tea, so many bugs in stretch I am
coming across, what have they done?
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3049[20:43:13] <greycat> Huge changes in the video drivers.
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3052[20:43:42] <p3rs3us> my gvim crashes everytime I try to fold
up the window
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3053[20:43:52] <greycat> I don't know anything about xfce
specifically.
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3054[20:44:16] <greycat> normally if there's an open bug
report for something, the bug report would be the place to look for
workarounds
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3055[20:44:26] <p3rs3us> there is
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3057[20:44:35] <p3rs3us>
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3059[20:45:09] <alexises> Hello
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3061[20:45:52] <p3rs3us> maybe I am the only one that uses xfce4
in debian
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3062[20:46:55] <alexises> I'm using debian 9 and need php
7.1. It seen to be present on testing but not on stable. Pretty
ennoying
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3066[20:47:10] <alexises> did you know a clean way to get it ;)
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3070[20:47:36] <FinalX> alexises: deb.sury.org
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3073[20:48:27] <p3rs3us> greycat, for the first bug I mentioned
there is a workaround if you have one monitor. If you have two, it
doesn't work.
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3075[20:49:03] <yenyen> is there a dedicated channel for
cinnamon?
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3089[20:53:38] <awal1> #debian-cinnamon yenyen . or use your irc
client for search it
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3095[20:54:37] <yenyen> #debian-cinnamon doesn't exist
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3098[20:55:15] <awal1> it was just a guess
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3100[20:55:34] <greycat> There is a #debian-cinnamon on OFTC. Not
on Freenode.
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3101[20:55:37] <mtn> yenyen: the linuxmint channel on spotchat is
the most likely source for cinnamon support
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3103[20:55:52] <yenyen> but i'm not using mint :(
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3104[20:56:10] <mtn> yenyen: mint created cinnamon. shrug
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3106[20:57:00] <awal1> yenyen, <greycat> There is a
#debian-cinnamon on OFTC. Not on Freenode
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3115[20:58:54] <awal1> there may be users here using cinnamon.
what is your problem? yenyen
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3119[21:00:03] <annadane> awal1, don't "guess".
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3120[21:00:11] <annadane> i'm guilty of it too but please
don't
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3124[21:01:58] <awal1> annadane, no dunmet deps on your sid ? :D
:P
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3126[21:02:21] <awal1> unmet
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3130[21:03:09] <yenyen> only 13 people in the oftc
#debian-cinnamon
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3134[21:04:28] <yenyen> I'm getting the Cinnamon is running
without video hardware acceleration error. I'm not sure what to
do, every link i found is for mint
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3136[21:04:58] <mtn> yenyen: what is your video card/chip? you
need a better video driver
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3140[21:05:36] <somiaj> yenyen: that channel would be mostly for
packging or cinnamon on debian, there maybe a more specific cinnamon
only channel that people hwo work soly with cinnamon use. could try
#cinnamon on freenode, or check out cinnamons main webpage and see
fi they have irc support.
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3142[21:05:51] <yenyen> bought a rx580
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3144[21:06:38] <mtn> yenyen: that is an ati card? look at the
debian wiki for ati
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3146[21:07:17] <yenyen> the drivers should already be in buster
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3147[21:07:17] <somiaj> for ati most likely you just need the
non-free firmware installed
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3148[21:07:38] <somiaj> ,v firmware-amd-graphics
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3149[21:07:39] <judd> Package: firmware-amd-graphics on amd64 --
jessie-backports/non-free: 20161130-3~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free:
20161130-3; stretch-backports/non-free: 20170823-1~bpo9+1;
buster/non-free: 20170823-1; sid/non-free: 20170823-1
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3152[21:08:38] <yenyen> wouldn't this be a driver issue?
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3154[21:09:03] <somiaj> the driver can work without the non-free
firmware, but the hardware acceeleration is usually disabled in such
cases
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3157[21:09:27] <somiaj> the driver is open and in the linux
kernel and part of debian main, but it uses non-free firmware, which
debian only supplies via non-free and won't be in a default
install.
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3158[21:09:40] <awal1> have you selected "software rendering
yourself in your DM or it was auto? yenyen
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3160[21:09:58] <yenyen> auto
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3163[21:10:24] <somiaj> but for those who are not use to debian,
having to enable the non-free repo, then intsall non-free firmware
is an extra step that mint doens't have.
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3167[21:10:39] <somiaj> so first install the firmware, reboot and
then see if your issues resolve themselves.
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3171[21:11:35] <yenyen> oh that's why, mint has it by
default
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3175[21:12:14] <yenyen> my old nvidia card was running better out
of the box how could it be c_c
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3176[21:12:29] <somiaj> yea, debian is very clear on its DFSG and
what is allowed in main. Firmware is a binary blob that needs to be
distributed outside of main so it is clear what has DFSG and non
DFSG licenses
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3177[21:12:35] <yenyen> i don't want to install nasty non
free drivers
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3179[21:12:45] <somiaj> this is just firmware, different than the
driver.
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3181[21:12:47] <greycat> firmware != drivers
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3182[21:13:13] <greycat> drivers run on your CPU; firmware runs
on your graphics card or network card
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3184[21:13:38] <somiaj> yenyen: other distros like mint/ubuntu
don't have such a clear policy on what software they give their
users. One side affect is things that require non-free firmware may
work out of the box esier, but you don't know if any other
non-free stuff has snuck into their software.
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3185[21:14:03] <annadane> oh mint does that as well? TIL.
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3186[21:14:47] <somiaj> and in debian if one has hardware which
requires non-free firmware (which is a bit too common for many) have
to install the non-free packages seperatly.
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3191[21:18:45] <yenyen> unless i have the firmware i won't
be able to use hardware accelleration right?
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3192[21:19:53] <somiaj> correct
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3193[21:20:17] <somiaj> without it you only get very basic
hardare, which works okay for some 2d stuff but won't get
compositors or 3d graphics
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3194[21:20:24] <somiaj> s/hardware/graphics/
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3195[21:20:31] <yenyen> the video card i just bought is useless
:(
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3199[21:21:32] <yenyen> but now i'm wondering what does the
driver do? shouldn't amd cards run better than nvidia even
without the firmware?
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3200[21:21:58] <greycat> That's too broad a question. You
would have to pick two cards and compare.
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3205[21:25:00] <yenyen> old one was a nvidia 780ti, i bought a
rx580 because people were saying amd works fine with open source
drivers
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3207[21:25:36] <greycat> Newer-generation AMD cards require
nonfree firmware. Perhaps your sources were thinking of older cards.
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3209[21:25:50] <mtn> yenyen: use xfce and it will work fine ;)
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3210[21:25:55] <somiaj> yenyen: the radeon open drivers are
usually considered better than nouveau, but I find the nvidia
non-free drivers to be the better one if you want 3-D stuff.
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3211[21:25:59] <raidghost> Any CPU intel to recommand? thought of
2 cpu with alot of cores and power
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3213[21:26:29] <raidghost> Not i7 or i5 or i3, Not usable for
plex, iptv-streaming server and PVR
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3214[21:26:39] <somiaj> yenyen: but the radeon driver and now the
amdpro driver have required non-free firmware for a while. This is
different than a non-free driver, but still a requirement to get
decent preformance from them.
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3215[21:27:05] <somiaj> raidghost: why not the i3/5/7?
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3216[21:27:10] <yenyen> mtn should i go xfce?
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3217[21:27:15] <petn-randall> raidghost: You could try asking
##hardware, they know all about it.
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3218[21:27:23] <mtn> yenyen: you could try it and see how you
like it.
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3220[21:27:54] <greycat> touch {001..100}.txt
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3221[21:28:00] <greycat> sorry, mischannel
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3223[21:28:56] <raidghost> petn-randall: How am i suppose to talk
there when the channel is moderated?
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3225[21:29:15] <raidghost> somiaj: I need alot of core power ,
and thought about 2 cpu
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3226[21:30:00] <yenyen> somiaj do you know which series worked
fine without non-free firmware?
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3227[21:30:41] <somiaj> raidghost: the multicore i7 has a lot of
power, beyond that you may want to look into the xenon server
processors. They have a lot more cores. But follow petn-randall
suggestion, this is better suited for ##hardware.
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3230[21:31:04] <somiaj> yenyen: What sort of use do you have for
your card? Is it just 2D graphics for a desktop? Do you want to do
anything 3D?
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3231[21:31:42] <somiaj> yenyen: you will have to go quite old to
avoid using non-free firmware with radeon. If you want a card that
doesn't require non-free firmware, I think intel is the way to
go. They work great for 2d desktops and some limited 3d stuff.
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3232[21:31:43] <raidghost> somiaj: thought about xenon server
processor. due to the ammount of core
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3233[21:31:44] <yenyen> i wish, i would like to buy the best free
card i can get
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3235[21:32:36] <somiaj> yenyen: intel is the only ones I know of
that don't have some non-free component. Note no matter what
card you choose you will have non-free firmware. Some places just
put the firmware on the card and don't ship it as a seperate
file. The radeon driver just requires it as a seperate file.
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3237[21:33:27] <somiaj> (though you may want to look into the
libre hardware support, if you really want to see if there is any
truely free graphics hardware out there (I don't know of any)
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3240[21:34:35] <yenyen> oh that could explain why some nvidia
card works better, they have inbuild firmaware
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3241[21:35:06] <somiaj> raidghost: it really depends on what you
need the machine to do. For a single process power I think the top
end i7s are the fastest (even compared to the xenons) but for
multiple processes or multiprocessing the xeon works better due to
having more cores, but its design is more for lots of processes as
opposed to a more desktop orinated i7.
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3242[21:35:24] <yenyen> mtn why did you say it will work better
on xfce?
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3244[21:35:42] <mtn> yenyen: doesn't need hardware
acceleration
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3245[21:35:55] <yenyen> ohh
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3249[21:36:56] <somiaj> yenyen: Which might be why the person you
talked to suggested radeon. It works juts fine witout hardware
acceleration, but would need non-free firmware to get it.
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3254[21:38:22] <yenyen> r/linuxhardware/ everyone here was saying
so
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3261[21:40:58] <yenyen>
replaced-url
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3262[21:41:14] <ryouma> why is i7 best for single threaded?
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3263[21:41:22] <ryouma> compared to i3 or i5
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3266[21:41:37] <somiaj> ryouma: here I'm using
'speed' as the reason for best. the i7 will just do the
process faster.
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3267[21:41:41] <ryouma> but it sounds like for debian intel is
suggested most
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3268[21:42:29] <somiaj> yenyen: a lot is dependent on what you
need and like. I personally use nvidia + non-free drivers, but I
find that to have the best 3d acceleration support for games.
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3269[21:42:31] <ryouma> somiaj: yeah, i am looking for
single-threaded cpu speed and free drivers that are good and will be
supoprted for a long time
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3270[21:42:58] <somiaj> ryouma: I wouldn't worry about the
'driver' for a cpu. Debian still supports pentiums.
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3271[21:43:10] <ryouma> for the video
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3272[21:43:12] <somiaj> just keep the microcode upto date.
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3274[21:43:36] <ryouma> is that done in debian?
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3275[21:43:38] <somiaj> Intel is fairly relaable gpu if you
don't have a high demand for 3d graphics.
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3276[21:43:47] <somiaj> ryouma: if you install the non-free
micrcode package.
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3277[21:45:05] <ryouma> i just want maximum emacs speed
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3279[21:45:17] <greycat> if all you use Debian graphics for is
web browsing, the Intel motherboard graphics chipsets are perfectly
adequate
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3280[21:45:29] <somiaj> I personally go with intel gpu on my
machines unless I use it for gaming, on that one machine I use
nvidia.
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3282[21:45:57] <sanmarcos> anwyay I can find the default
/etc/sysctl.conf for Debian 8.9 ?
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3291[21:48:42] <greycat> sanmarcos: it's in procps; see
replaced-url
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3294[21:49:36] <UncleDolan> hello, i have a problem: my ISP just
told me i have to change my WAN ip to new one and i am like 300
miles away from server. I need to chang its WAN ip address remotely
without loosing access to server. How to achieve that
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3295[21:49:51] <sanmarcos> greycat: on the root or
debian/sysctl.conf?
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3296[21:49:55] <sanmarcos> there are two files greycat
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3297[21:49:57] <yenyen> krita is lagging worse with the 580 :**
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3298[21:50:29] <greycat> sanmarcos: sounds like you are looking
at a source package ...?
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3299[21:50:50] <ryouma> somiaj: intel-microcode?
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3303[21:51:23] <sanmarcos> greycat: apt-get install -d says it is
already installed?
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3304[21:51:30] <sanmarcos> how do I get the default file?
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3307[21:52:16] <greycat> sanmarcos: download the package from the
web page I gave you (at the bottom, where it says "download
procps") and extract it. or use apt-get --reinstall
--download-only to get the .deb into your /var/cache/apt/archives/
and extract it from there.
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3309[21:52:44] <sanmarcos> thank you sir g
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3313[21:53:55] <raidghost> guess i have to call a plummer
tomorrmow. We got visit from a frog under the tube
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3318[21:54:36] <sanmarcos> raidghost: shadilay brother
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3319[21:54:46] <sanmarcos> raidghost: praise kek
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3320[21:56:08] <sanmarcos> my debian system is borked
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3324[21:56:38] <sanmarcos> I am getting ERROR: netlink
XFRM_MSG_DELPOLICY response for flow on ipsec/libreswan
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3325[21:56:43] <sanmarcos> only on one debian 8.9 isntallation
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3326[21:58:09] <raidghost> sanmarcos: praise kek ?
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3327[21:58:42] <sanmarcos> raidghost:
replaced-url
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3328[21:59:16] <raidghost> oooh . hehehe
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3336[22:03:37] <kempo> hi all. where can i find the xorg.conf in
debian stretch?
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3338[22:04:24] <annadane> kempo, /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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3339[22:04:37] <kempo> annadane: its not there, so i can just
create one?
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3341[22:04:53] <annadane> kempo, depends. if it's not there
you probably don't need it, really depends on what you need to
do
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3342[22:05:09] <kempo> annadane: i want to use my intel graphic
card
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3343[22:05:10] <raidghost> annadane: how`s life?
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