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8[00:00:59] <uxfi> ok
9[00:01:06] <uxfi> hw odo I amek sure I ahve all php7 essential packages isntalled?
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22[00:03:13] <Sveta> for wordpress?
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24[00:03:43] <Sveta> uxfi: install wordpress package, it has everything in the dependencies
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26[00:04:11] <uxfi_> ok
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110[00:38:30] <vitx> Debian package maintainers should look into making widevine work, other distros manage to get it work fine
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112[00:38:48] <vitx> Not saying Debian package maintainers are not working hard or anything
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115[00:39:06] <vitx> It's just important for people to get a smooth experience so that they don't move to another distro
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119[00:39:54] <dTal> !dfsg
120[00:39:54] <dpkg> DFSG is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which are explained at replaced-url
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191[01:23:10] <vitx> quick question
192[01:23:17] <vitx> why firefox stable has such an old version ?
193[01:23:23] <vitx> why debian stable has such an old firefox version *
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196[01:24:29] <annadane> because Extended Support Release
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198[01:24:33] <annadane> it undergoes fewer changes
199[01:25:05] <RoyK> vitx: debian sticks to stable releases of ff and everything else - ff renews everything on every release, making it less stable
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201[01:25:34] <vitx> RoyK: Problem is that it's too out of date
202[01:25:39] <annadane> (none of this would be an issue if extensions weren't stupid)
203[01:25:45] <RoyK> vitx: but you're free to use the official firefox versions, of couse
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205[01:26:12] <vitx> RoyK: I got Firefox Quantum installed but if you included it in a repo it would make the lives of many easier :D
206[01:26:44] <RoyK> vitx: just use one of the repos out there
207[01:27:00] <RoyK> vitx: or make one yourself - it's not hard
208[01:27:17] <vitx> RoyK: Problem is not me, it's many people in a similar position to mine
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212[01:29:24] <RoyK> vitx: ask firefox/mozilla to setup a repo, then - debian doesn't like a ton of changes - it breaks things
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217[01:33:01] <RoyK> vitx: debian is good for stabiliy, really good, almost as concervative as redhat. ubuntu, mint, fedora & al includes all sorts of new stuff (perhaps except for ubuntu LTS, which is a bit more conservative).
218[01:33:06] <RoyK> !sns
219[01:33:07] <dpkg> Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
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221[01:34:08] <vitx> RoyK: I am just saying that having new versions in some extra repos would be nice
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224[01:34:32] <RoyK> vitx: see above
225[01:34:56] <vitx> RoyK: I meant Debian creating those repos
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227[01:35:22] <RoyK> vitx: backports is usually ok, using SID is like BASE jumping with an umbrella
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230[01:36:00] <RoyK> vitx: it's not the primary objective for debian to have all sort of sns in the distro - other distros are better for that
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232[01:36:19] <RoyK> vitx: or you can use specific packages from whoever makes the sotware
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246[01:48:18] <hailhinker> Sveta is a marriage scammer
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248[01:49:15] <hailhinker> Sveta is a marriage scammer
249[01:49:29] <hailhinker> sorry dont mean to repeat
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267[01:58:16] <johnnyfive> You can say that again
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270[02:01:44] <elios> but
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272[02:01:51] <elios> but does it pay off?
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277[02:02:59] <sutekh> sveta is a marriage scammer
278[02:02:59] <sutekh> sveta is a marriage scammer
279[02:03:00] <sutekh> sveta is a marriage scammer
280[02:03:00] <sutekh> sveta is a marriage scammer
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284[02:04:22] <geard> Hey everyone, I'm curious what you would suggest for controlling out of band Debian installs that you don't want to open ports on the firewall. I'm thinking a service that starts and calls a cloud instance and does a reverse tunnel so I can SSH back into the out of band instance. What are your suggestions?
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337[02:42:59] <foul_owl> Hi folks. I recently got a logitech wireless mouse, but lsusb is not even showing the dongle. Tried on debian 8 and 9. Maybe there is some driver I need to install? apt-cache search didn't show anything useful. Thanks!
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339[02:43:31] <foul_owl> It's a G903
340[02:43:50] <DonArmstrong> foul_owl: check dmesg; you should at least see the dongle when you plug it in
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343[02:44:41] <foul_owl> Nothing in dmesg
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345[02:46:37] <sussudio> try reseating the dongle.
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350[02:49:43] <foul_owl> Tried unplug/replug about 30 times, no luck
351[02:49:45] <foul_owl> Maybe it was DOA
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355[02:50:49] <sussudio> try another port or maybe it needs a bit of force to get all the way in
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360[02:52:06] <abrotman> meep!
361[02:52:40] <foul_owl> Ah interesting ok I get "connect-debounce failed"
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363[02:52:58] <foul_owl> On two separate systems
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373[02:58:46] <foul_owl> OK I'm going with "device is damaged" lol
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378[03:02:53] <sussudio> is it new or have you used it before
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452[03:37:58] <sutekh> sveta is a marriage scammer
453[03:38:03] <sutekh> sveta is a marriage scammer
454[03:38:03] <sutekh> sveta is a marriage scammer
455[03:38:04] <sutekh> sveta is a marriage scammer
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637[03:52:08] <vitx> When your computer doesn't do what you type,
638[03:52:09] <vitx> And half the screen is covered with a big white stripe,
639[03:52:09] <vitx> The vendor won't pay any mind to your gripe,
640[03:52:09] <vitx> So boot it. Just boot it.
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690[03:55:21] <vitx> When you discover that a process won't die,
691[03:55:21] <vitx> If kill -9 won't work there's nothing else to try.
692[03:55:21] <vitx> Your jobs are dead meat, so kiss 'em goodbye
693[03:55:21] <vitx> And boot it. 50 hours of work,
694[03:55:21] <vitx> Just boot it, boot it.
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937[04:37:00] <v0idpwn> Hello. I just installed Debian 9.2
938[04:37:21] <v0idpwn> Ive got a Qualcomm Atheros QCA9377
939[04:37:31] <v0idpwn> How can I make it work?
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944[04:38:55] <Sveta> v0idpwn: at h-node.org at the top click 'search'
945[04:39:08] <Sveta> ... then look at the bottom box, where it asks to paste an output of a command
946[04:39:16] <RoyK> v0idpwn: usually it's a firmware needed for those things
947[04:39:16] <Sveta> do that, it'll show list of your chips
948[04:39:21] <Sveta> link me to the chip that this is
949[04:39:28] <Sveta> it has driver name and info there too
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951[04:39:41] <Epakai> !ath10k
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953[04:39:42] <dpkg> ath10k is a Linux kernel driver supporting PCIe 802.11ac (a/b/g/n compatible) wireless LAN devices based on the Qualcomm Atheros QCA988x 2.0 family of chips (PCI IDs 168c:003c, 168c:abcd). Introduced at Linux 3.11. Firmware from userspace is required and not currently packaged (bug #724970), ask me about <ath10k firmware>. replaced-url
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955[04:41:22] <RoyK> PoS network hardware where the designing firm doesn't document the hardware and instead just post a closed "firmware" which, in fact, is the driver
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1040[05:01:10] <v0idpwn> Im on 4.9, do I need to backport? :X
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1042[05:01:26] <v0idpwn> This mean I have to recompile my kernel?
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1064[05:13:31] <dtux> I am getting 2 SLAAC IPv6 addresses, even though rdisc6 shows only 1 prefix being advertised. Anyone know why?
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1087[05:30:28] <metastable> dtux: does one start with fe80?
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1090[05:31:48] <dtux> metastable: I have one of those, but that is not what I'm referring to. (There are also 2 privacy addresses.) The 2 I'm referring to are mngtmpaddrs.
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1092[05:32:42] <petemc> mngtmpaddrs ?
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1095[05:33:31] <dtux> petemc: that's how they are labelled in `ip address`
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1097[05:34:22] <metastable> dtux: Look at the host portion of the two addresses in question. Are the middle bits "ff:fe" on both or just one?
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1099[05:34:47] <metastable> dtux: are you also running dhcpv6 in your environment is what I'm getting at.
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1101[05:35:48] <dtux> metastable: yes, they are. I've configured my router for dhcp-pd so that my hosts will connect via slaac
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1104[05:37:34] <metastable> dtux: I'm asking because I've seen misconfigured or misbehaving setups where one address gets configured via SLAAC, and a second via stateful DHCPv6.
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1110[05:39:14] <dtux> metastable: ah, i see... afaik all stateful dhcpv6 should be disable don my LAN
1111[05:39:55] <metastable> I'd wireshark it and see where the second RA is coming from.
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1114[05:40:35] <dtux> I just found a suggestion on reddit I'm trying: replaced-url
1115[05:40:45] <dtux> metastable: shouldn't rdisc6 catch that?
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1123[05:46:38] <dtux> agh, no dice
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1133[05:51:23] <dtux> hmmm actually... now i have a third, but the third is correct and the other 2 may just be stale
1134[05:52:13] <petemc> ip n s
1135[05:53:23] <dtux> just brought the interface down and back up, if they come back ill give that a go (i assume you mean with -6?)
1136[05:53:54] <petemc> ip -6 n s
1137[05:53:59] <petemc> yeah
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1139[05:54:52] <plasmodu1k> ¡/window next
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1147[05:59:35] <dtux> petemc: they came back :( there is one entry in there that appears to be my router
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1193[06:20:48] <dtux> huh... actually i think i fixed it router side. I changed a config on my router and my server which was previously affected seems fine now, just the workstation that seems to have the issue now.
1194[06:21:08] <dtux> gonna try a reboot...
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1205[06:26:25] <dtux> that worked
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1280[07:11:22] <Logg> What filebrowsers do y'all use? I've been using nemo, because I like its user interface and set of features, but it crashes a lot without running all of cinnamon it seems.
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1492[07:25:10] <CrazyTux> how different is Linux Mint Debian Edition from Debian?
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1520[07:31:09] <aaap> CrazyTux: linux mint was based on ubuntu . and debian edition probably mean based on debian directly
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1524[07:31:44] <CrazyTux> aaap, ok. Have you used LMDE?
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1527[07:32:05] <aaap> CrazyTux: haven't try it. what is the iso size?
1528[07:32:25] <aaap> CrazyTux: the page which you found the debian edition?
1529[07:33:05] <CrazyTux> aaap, replaced-url
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1532[07:35:59] <aaap> CrazyTux: if you want to challenge yourself
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1535[07:36:08] <aaap> go try lmde
1536[07:36:28] <aaap> but might as well use debian with xfce
1537[07:36:30] <aaap> :D
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1539[07:36:53] <aaap> LMDE is however slightly faster than Linux Mint
1540[07:37:01] <aaap> i doubt any much faster
1541[07:37:05] <aaap> :D
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1547[07:38:11] <CrazyTux> aaap, I am using Debian 9.2 xfce. Have installed KDE Plasma and Cinnamon DEs on it.
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1552[07:40:47] <aaap> CrazyTux: Debian 9.2 xfce will be an excellent desktop
1553[07:41:06] <aaap> lightweight
1554[07:41:09] <CrazyTux> aaap, ok
1555[07:41:41] <aaap> CrazyTux: i am on linux mint xfce ..
1556[07:41:55] <CrazyTux> aaap, how can I make Debian 9 xfce look more visually appealing?
1557[07:41:56] <aaap> CrazyTux: it use 20mb more memory than debian 9 with xfce
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1559[07:42:12] <Logg> unusable
1560[07:43:17] <aaap> CrazyTux: you have to wait for other to help on that question or try google..
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1563[07:44:06] <CrazyTux> ok
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1579[07:56:24] <happygilmoregent> having trouble with nvidia and my consoles are just showing the blinking cursor if left idle
1580[07:56:41] <happygilmoregent> nvidia-legacy-304.135-2
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1583[07:57:42] <annadane> CrazyTux, replaced-url
1584[07:58:18] <annadane> other than that, just play around, it's your system
1585[07:58:29] <happygilmoregent> which service covers dhclient because it's not doing it by default
1586[07:58:34] <CrazyTux> annadane, thanks
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1588[08:00:02] <annadane> CrazyTux, and also editing config files etc. i know system settings has very fine grained control in xfce
1589[08:00:24] <annadane> if you know how to navigate the sometimes confusing interface
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1592[08:01:57] <CrazyTux> ok
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1594[08:02:11] <CrazyTux> btw, is xfce the best DE?
1595[08:02:17] <CrazyTux> which one you use?
1596[08:02:45] <annadane> this is getting off topic, you're better off asking in #debian-offtopic
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1605[08:06:48] <CrazyTux> can I render Debian stable into Debian testing?
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1607[08:07:01] <happygilmoregent> where is the debian bugtracker?
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1609[08:07:09] <annadane> happygilmoregent, bugs.debian.org
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1616[08:07:34] <annadane> CrazyTux, _can_ you? you _can_, but for what purpose? moving to testing or sid is risky as it can break, so be aware of the risks
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1618[08:08:00] <annadane> or i guess it's replaced-url
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1626[08:08:37] <CrazyTux> annadane, what are the symptoms of system breakage?
1627[08:08:54] <CrazyTux> what does it actually mean?
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1632[08:09:04] <CrazyTux> is testing also risky?
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1669[08:10:07] <BenNZ> CrazyTux: if you have to ask then yes
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1671[08:10:09] <annadane> CrazyTux, the wiki does a better job of explaining it than i can
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1685[08:10:44] <CrazyTux> ok
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1693[08:12:53] <toruvinn> uhhh ovh went down
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1695[08:13:35] <annadane> toruvinn, pick a different mirror then. replaced-url
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1697[08:14:46] <happygilmoregent> why would dhclient (eth0) not be in rc.local?
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1704[08:15:25] <benpro> replaced-url
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1711[08:17:08] <annadane> benpro, just pick a different mirror. replaced-url
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1714[08:17:35] <benpro> Yup, jus telling because of "08:12:53 toruvinn | uhhh ovh went down"
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1716[08:17:59] <annadane> ah
1717[08:18:07] <toruvinn> annadane, i'm talking about those ping timeouts... i dont need mirrors of anything atm, thanks. ;-)
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1724[08:20:26] <annadane> i presume it'll fix itself, i'm sure they have a notification set up if mirrors break
1725[08:20:36] <annadane> or servers or whatever
1726[08:20:55] <annadane> (which is the same thing...)
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1738[08:28:55] <CrazyTux> guys, what
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1741[08:29:27] <CrazyTux> what's your opinion on MX Linux and Sparky Linux. Both are based on Debian.
1742[08:30:00] <annadane> CrazyTux, again, #debian-offtopic
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1843[09:30:42] <sussudio> did OVH in its entirety go down?
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1845[09:33:41] <klys> ovh.com's front page is down
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1847[09:34:02] <sussudio> i noticed.
1848[09:34:26] <pragomer> can I change to "experimental" just via replacing "stretch" with "experimental" in sources.list?
1849[09:34:55] <sussudio> why would you do that, pragomer
1850[09:35:05] <klys> usually, yes. you need the debian-security source too.
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1853[09:36:48] <pragomer> just want to test xfce gtk3 pre version under vbox
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1860[09:40:20] <sussudio> "We have just lost the entire power supply of network equipment. We investigate." < translate.google.com should be better at french to english by now.
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1878[09:48:28] <JustASlacker> any easy way to get nginx with http2 support?
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1880[09:50:43] <JustASlacker> for debian 8
1881[09:50:58] <jelly> ,v nginx
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1884[09:51:15] <jelly> hmm.
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1886[09:52:27] <n4dir> pragomer: you can't change to experimental at all. You can add it (to sid , to testing too?), but that's it.
1887[09:52:50] <jelly> dpkg, tell pragomer about experimental
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1889[09:52:57] <jelly> dpkg, tell pragomer about sid
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1914[10:06:51] <rdz> hey all. why was the user name snmpd runs under changed from snmp to Debian-snmp in Stretch?
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1917[10:07:07] <rdz> what's the point of the Debian- prefix in system user names?
1918[10:07:34] <n4dir> to only have a quick look at something, in this case xfce gtk3, i would rather use a live-distro which offers it (assuming there is one already, but i guess so)
1919[10:07:50] <n4dir> ups: pragomer ^^
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2009[10:32:02] <pragomer> so how can I add for example the experimental xfce4 desktop 4.13 to testing?
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2025[10:33:36] <petn-randall> pragomer: experimental is a partial suite sitting on top of sid. So you'd have to upgrade to sid, then add experimental and upgrade the xfce4 packages. And accept that the maintainer thinks it's not even fit for sid yet, which means it is probably broken in some way.
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2032[10:34:09] <pragomer> ok. i will upgrade my stretch to sid first.
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2035[10:34:17] <pragomer> then.. how do I add experimental?
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2041[10:34:34] <n4dir> you would do "apt-get install -t <packagename> -t experimental" iirc
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2044[10:34:54] <n4dir> you copy the sid line, paste it and replcace sid with experimental in that line
2045[10:35:25] <n4dir> imho: not worth the trouble, petn-randall has pointed it out already.
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2054[10:37:28] <petn-randall> pragomer: Personally, if you want a working system, stick with stable. testing is buggy, sid is bleeding-edge hurting at times, and experimental is mostly only interesting for other Debian devs.
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2061[10:38:20] <n4dir> i once added experimental during the freeze, but without much gain, iirc
2062[10:38:32] <n4dir> stable is the best, of course .
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2066[10:39:05] <petn-randall> pragomer: If you upgrade past stable, you're also willingly accepting that you're a guinea pig for the unpolished and unreleased pre-release.
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2068[10:39:21] <pragomer> mm.. do you have a good idea how I could test xfce 4.13 ?
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2095[10:47:40] <n4dir> pragomer: i would ask in #xfce ; the web doesn't spit out an existing liveCD, but i didn't really search (in general fedora or ubuntu comes to mind )
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2102[10:50:46] <pragomer> they told me (in xfce channel) that experimental in debian would have the packages already :-)
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2108[10:57:02] <n4dir> well: give it a try (i recall you wanted to test it in an emulator ?).
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2116[10:59:40] <n4dir> assuming you got enough time at hand. I wouldn't hold my breath.
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2121[11:01:49] <jelly> pragomer: that may be, but it being experimental has usual consequences -- expected to work only as an addition to sid (or testing/unstable mix)
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2134[11:09:48] <pragomer> I added both: sid and experimental to sources.list now
2135[11:10:04] <pragomer> how can I now install xfce 4.13 ?
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2139[11:12:14] <babilen> pragomer: Are you sure that's a good idea?
2140[11:12:39] <pragomer> its just to try out. its a vm in vbox
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2143[11:13:03] <babilen> You should be able to specify experimental with "-t experimental", but if you start this from stable, I'd rather upgrade to unstable first. I'd also personally use a testing/unstable mix (cf. /msg dpkg tum)
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2149[11:16:09] <pragomer> i have sid and in the 2nd line experimental in sources.list
2150[11:16:12] <pragomer> nothing else
2151[11:17:18] <babilen> Ah, so you were running sid already?
2152[11:17:26] <jelly> ,v xfce4
2153[11:17:27] <judd> Package: xfce4 on amd64 -- wheezy: 4.8.0.3; jessie: 4.10.1; buster: 4.12.3; sid: 4.12.3; stretch: 4.12.3
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2155[11:17:44] <babilen> Where are the promised 4.13 packages?
2156[11:17:45] <jelly> don't see a version for the metapackage in experimental at all
2157[11:18:02] <pragomer> 4.13 is a preview to gtk3 I think
2158[11:18:08] <babilen> Maybe bits of it have been uploaded already
2159[11:18:19] <jelly> maybe it should be labeled xfce5 :-)
2160[11:18:34] <pragomer> I THINK it should be labeled like that ! :-)
2161[11:18:47] <pragomer> i am just doing dist-upgrade
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2163[11:19:22] <babilen> .:oO( famous last words )
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2166[11:19:59] <pragomer> LOL
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2174[11:23:37] <pragomer> I am running sid now. what package would I have to install/upgrad via -t experimental ?
2175[11:24:08] <jelly> xfce4, if it existed
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2177[11:24:58] <pragomer> apt-get install xfce4 -t experimental ?
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2180[11:25:16] <pragomer> tells me "xfce4" is already the latest 4.12.3
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2194[11:31:09] <petn-randall> pragomer: Hence "if it existed".
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2224[11:51:52] <Lyberta> what package do I need to install to build a Qt Widgets app?
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2231[11:59:09] <HyP3r> hey all. I'm trying to configure my system to do an automatic unattended upgrade. But it isn't working. I followed this manual: replaced-url
2232[11:59:46] <HyP3r> Now one month later, if I do an apt-get update && apt-get upgrade I'm able to do some upgrades but thats strange, the system should do this automatic
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2234[12:00:22] <HyP3r> Packages like libcurl or libssl1.0.0 should be upgarded
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2238[12:01:04] <HyP3r> I like to upgrade everything on my system, my pattern was "o=*";
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2245[12:02:01] <HyP3r> Do I have to create the file /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/20auto-upgrades?
2246[12:03:13] <HyP3r> I have created the file /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/02periodic and inserted everything 1:1 like there: replaced-url
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2249[12:06:48] <petn-randall> HyP3r: By default unattended-upgrades only does security updates from the security repo. There can still be regular (non-security) bugfixes that come through stretch-updates.
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2252[12:07:09] <petn-randall> HyP3r: If you changed that it would be great to show us the relevant config on replaced-url
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2264[12:16:01] <RebelCoder> Guys, is there a way to count mouse clicks in Linux at all ?
2265[12:16:47] <RebelCoder> For example, I use a web app, and want to know how much clicks I have made ? without adding specific code to a web page ?
2266[12:17:55] <HyP3r> petn-randall: 50unattended-upgrades replaced-url
2267[12:17:56] <CuteMeOwnThroat> what
2268[12:18:04] * teraflops shrugs
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2271[12:18:55] <HyP3r> petn-randall: sorry the 50unattended-upgrades was broken: replaced-url
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2273[12:21:19] <petn-randall> HyP3r: Does Unattended-Upgrade::Origins-Pattern even support wildcards?
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2275[12:21:55] <HyP3r> petn-randall: replaced-url
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2277[12:21:59] <HyP3r> As an alternative to the previous example, use following code to install every upgrade available through the used sources lists
2278[12:22:08] <HyP3r> Unattended-Upgrade::Origins-Pattern { "o=*"; }
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2280[12:23:11] <CuteMeOwnThroat> RebelCoder, xev -id <windowid> , possibly
2281[12:23:28] <teraflops> RebelCoder: add it yourself or file a feature request for such "app" instead of trying crazy workarounds
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2286[12:24:42] <CuteMeOwnThroat> in principle… it'd be xev -i 0x200dadc | grep Button
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2288[12:24:52] <CuteMeOwnThroat> where 0x200dadc ist the window id from xwininfo
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2291[12:25:16] <CuteMeOwnThroat> it doesn't seem to catch button up and button down on an alien window, though… although it does on its own. weird
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2295[12:27:56] <petn-randall> HyP3r: Yeah, that blog post might be wrong, I'd check it in the official docs.
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2298[12:28:24] <HyP3r> petn-randall: replaced-url
2299[12:28:43] <HyP3r> >If you already configure what to install via apt pinning, you can simply use "origin=*", e.g.:
2300[12:29:52] <rgr> moving from stable to buster. Im unable to get the keys in. debian keyring is installed. tried purging it and reinstalling. See the filetype issue in this gist :replaced-url
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2303[12:30:34] <rgr> " The key(s) in the keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg are ignored as the file has an unsupported filetype."
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2307[12:32:10] <RebelCoder> CuteMeOwnThroat, what if it is a browser window. How do I find the ID of it ?
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2309[12:32:27] <HyP3r> petn-randall: If I run "LANG=en_GB.UTF-8 unattended-upgrade --debug --dry-run" this script tries to upgrade all missing upgrades
2310[12:32:39] <HyP3r> petn-randall: so why doesn't it work automatically?
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2314[12:34:27] <petn-randall> HyP3r: I'd check /var/log/unattended-upgrades for hints.
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2321[12:38:30] <lembron> so, mongodb just instacrashes on jessie -- to fix i have to run "chmod -R go+rx /sys/devices/system/" -- what gets reverted after reboot - where and how can i make that fix? ((supposedly it has an issue reading /sys/devices/system/node/node0 it seems)
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2325[12:40:49] <petn-randall> lembron: Why would that be needed by mongodb? Looks like you're ripping a huge security hole into your system doing that.
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2327[12:41:14] <HyP3r> petn-randall: good point. On regular day I have something like that: replaced-url
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2335[12:43:52] <HyP3r> petn-randall: but if I run "LANG=en_GB.UTF-8 unattended-upgrade --debug --dry-run" I get this: replaced-url
2336[12:44:11] <HyP3r> Thats so confusing everything. Why does a debug run match everything and is trying to install it and a normal run does nothing
2337[12:44:55] <petn-randall> HyP3r: No idea, really. I'd dig how the cron job gets called, and compare that with your run.
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2349[12:52:45] <lembron> petn-randall idk why... but before that mongo just crashes - after running that it fires up just fine :/
2350[12:53:16] <lembron> its a "up2date jessie" that was initally installed just 6-10 months ago
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2362[12:58:45] <grandeverde> ciao
2363[12:58:49] <grandeverde> !list
2364[12:58:49] <dpkg> grandeverde: Debian è un sistema operativo composto da software libero (un concetto distinto da quello di gratis): vedi replaced-url
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2366[12:59:13] <grandeverde> !list
2367[12:59:13] <dpkg> grandeverde: Debian è un sistema operativo composto da software libero (un concetto distinto da quello di gratis): vedi replaced-url
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2370[12:59:55] <CuteMeOwnThroat> !next
2371[12:59:55] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
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2373[13:01:19] <slax0r> does it whois the executors IP and display the mesasge in their native language?
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2391[13:13:27] <petn-randall> ,v mongodb
2392[13:13:28] <judd> Package: mongodb on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:2.0.6-1.1; wheezy-security: 1:2.0.6-1.1+deb7u1; wheezy-backports: 1:2.4.8-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 1:2.4.10-5+deb8u1; stretch: 1:3.2.11-2; buster: 1:3.2.17-1; sid: 1:3.2.17-1; experimental: 1:3.4.7-1
2393[13:13:46] <petn-randall> lembron: How does it crash then? Can you show us the full error message?
2394[13:14:08] <petn-randall> lembron: Also, are you running the version from jessie, or from some 3rd party repo?
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2397[13:15:12] <lembron> i would have posted a crashlog long ago yes... but im impacted by the current OVH downtime, so i cant get to the server "right now" ;D
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2400[13:15:42] <lembron> badly timed i know... --- it also has elastic repos, but im pretty sure mongodb-server came from normal jessie repos
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2410[13:22:52] <gpunk> i know a better hosting company in france , with 99,9% downtime
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2412[13:22:59] <gpunk> uptime*
2413[13:23:01] <gpunk> lol
2414[13:23:42] <gpunk> I dropped ovh just for them ... and that issue
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2419[13:24:11] <lembron> today shit hit the fan... dualPowerfailure in a DC, dualGeneratorFailure on that, and then the whole ring broke and everything went kapow :/
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2428[13:25:21] <lembron> with such exceptional days like once a year - im overall still pretty happy with them, just dont need support and have everything twice... (there prices allow todo that so...)
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2430[13:26:21] <mathisss> why ubuntu is going to be garbage ?
2431[13:26:25] <gpunk> bof , there are better than them out there
2432[13:26:40] <teraflops> mathisss: why are you asking such things here
2433[13:26:44] <teraflops> ?
2434[13:27:22] <mathisss> sorry ..
2435[13:27:49] <JustASlacker> you want #ubuntu
2436[13:27:56] <JustASlacker> :P
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2442[13:30:11] <mathisss> im really confused any body can answere why ?
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2445[13:30:30] <IRC23009> hello guys, is it possible to share a picture here?
2446[13:30:50] <gpunk> mathisss we can , but this is the debian channel not ubuntu
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2449[13:31:17] <teraflops> IRC23009: is the picture on topic? (read the topic)
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2451[13:31:20] <linuxthefish> hi, on debian 9 where is /etc/network/interfaces moved to?
2452[13:31:27] <IRC23009> yes it is
2453[13:31:46] <IRC23009> i know this paste stuff but i couldnt use it for a picture
2454[13:31:46] <petn-randall> linuxthefish: Still there where it always was.
2455[13:31:48] <teraflops> linuxthefish: it's still there
2456[13:31:53] <linuxthefish> o
2457[13:32:00] <lembron> imgur.com IRC23009
2458[13:32:05] <lembron> nopaste for images :P
2459[13:32:16] <linuxthefish> my OVH server doesn't seem to have a /etc/network/interfaces O.o
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2461[13:32:34] <gpunk> ovh is crap
2462[13:32:41] <petn-randall> linuxthefish: You need to have ifupdown installed.
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2464[13:32:58] <petn-randall> linuxthefish: Assuming you want to use that and not network-manager or anything else.
2465[13:33:14] <teraflops> IRC23009: ah, use something like curl -F c=@path/to/a/file replaced-url
2466[13:33:17] <linuxthefish> ah ok, yeah /etc/network just has if-down.d if-post-down.d if-pre-up.d if-up.d interfaces.d
2467[13:33:30] <linuxthefish> i won't mess with it then, OVH doesn't like things being changed
2468[13:33:44] <IRC23009> i try to recover my chromebook and this is what I am getting
2469[13:33:45] <IRC23009> replaced-url
2470[13:33:56] <IRC23009> replaced-url
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2472[13:34:24] <petn-randall> IRC23009: Are you running Debian?
2473[13:34:26] <IRC23009> I tried a lot diffrent usb sticks and microsdcards, removed the battery
2474[13:34:41] <IRC23009> yes debian was on it
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2480[13:36:35] <teraflops> IRC23009: arm?
2481[13:36:42] <IRC23009> yes
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2483[13:37:10] <teraflops> so you cannot boot a debian in rescue mode?
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2487[13:37:34] <teraflops> just asking I have no idea
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2490[13:38:41] <IRC23009> no I cant
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2520[13:54:30] <Lyberta> how can I make Qt apps use dark theme? I use MATE and selected high contrast inverse theme but it doesn't work with Octave
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2531[14:01:08] <gpunk> lol OVH's outage is in the news
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2537[14:02:22] <tabakhase> they are ISP in france, and there DNS was down, so a lot of french users had "no internet"
2538[14:02:31] <gpunk> Lyberta qtconfig is part of qt and let you change the theme
2539[14:02:33] <petn-randall> !ot
2540[14:02:33] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
2541[14:02:50] <petn-randall> Please move the OVH discussion to #debian-offtopic. Thanks!
2542[14:05:03] <Lyberta> gpunk, is it in Qt 5? when I try to download it it tries to download Qt 4
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2545[14:05:42] <gpunk> I have no clue, but best thing to do is to try
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2550[14:06:48] <gpunk> there is qtXconfig I think
2551[14:06:58] <gpunk> X is 3 4 or 5
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2572[14:09:43] <gpunk> you need the 5 I guess ?
2573[14:10:01] <Lyberta> don't see it in apt...
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2576[14:10:34] <gpunk> try this qt5ct
2577[14:11:01] <Lyberta> nope
2578[14:11:34] <HyP3r> petn-randall: I found the issue: "Configured to install on shutdown, so exiting now"
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2584[14:15:06] <gpunk> qt5ct is on sourceforge only ...
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2594[14:19:14] <petn-randall> HyP3r: Ah, good catch. Didn't notice that in your config.
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2598[14:21:05] <gpunk> Lyberta: can you run your qt app with -style=gtk as argument ?
2599[14:22:04] <Lyberta> says invalid option
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2601[14:22:20] <gpunk> hmm
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2604[14:23:14] <gpunk> what debian are your running and DE plz ?
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2606[14:23:26] <Lyberta> Debian testing, MATE
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2616[14:26:56] <gpunk> debian-testing is for #debian-next on OFTC network you will find better help there :)
2617[14:28:19] <Lyberta> gpunk, it's not like changing Qt 5 theme is different between stable and testing
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2620[14:29:36] <gpunk> I know, but they are more aware of debian-testing dificulties et all , my self i am still looking into it , for fun
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2631[14:33:55] <`levi> can you remove katoolin without leaving any trace?
2632[14:34:08] <petn-randall> ,v katoolin
2633[14:34:09] <judd> No package named 'katoolin' was found in amd64.
2634[14:34:20] <petn-randall> `levi: What is katoolin?
2635[14:34:30] <petn-randall> More importantly, how did you install it?
2636[14:34:49] <`levi> it's a script that is used to install all kali-linux tools on debian and other distro's
2637[14:35:32] <petn-randall> `levi: You might want to ask the maintainer of said script then.
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2639[14:36:00] <petn-randall> `levi: If you need Kali tools, I'd just install Kali in a VM. I do so, and it's common practice.
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2644[14:36:42] <petn-randall> Especially since Kali turned into a rolling release you don't want it as your main OS, and having a VM makes it easier to restore checkpoints.
2645[14:37:33] <`levi> I guess I could also try that
2646[14:38:06] <`levi> petn-randall: which vm do you use?
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2649[14:38:50] <petn-randall> `levi: Do you mean which virtualization software?
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2653[14:41:41] <`levi> petn-randall: yeah
2654[14:42:14] <petn-randall> `levi: libvirtd/virt-manager
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2706[15:15:57] <Kiril> hello
2707[15:16:10] <Kiril> I am not able to run mysql service
2708[15:16:12] <Kiril> replaced-url
2709[15:17:16] <petn-randall> ,v mysql
2710[15:17:17] <judd> No package named 'mysql' was found in amd64.
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2712[15:18:09] <gpunk> ,mariadb
2713[15:18:13] <petn-randall> ,v mariadb-server
2714[15:18:14] <judd> Package: mariadb-server on amd64 -- jessie: 10.0.25-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 10.0.25-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 10.0.30-0+deb8u1; jessie: 10.0.30-0+deb8u2; jessie-security: 10.0.32-0+deb8u1; stretch: 10.1.26-0+deb9u1; stretch-security: 10.1.26-0+deb9u1; buster: 10.1.26-1; sid: 10.1.26-1; sid: 10.1.28-1; experimental: 10.3.0-0+exp1; experimental: 10.3.0-0+exp2
2715[15:18:42] <petn-randall> Kiril: My first guess is that the database is corrupted. Does mariadb run with an empty database?
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2717[15:19:21] <gpunk> if it s not the "core" database
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2736[15:33:35] <josecapurro> Hello. I know i can use reportbug to report a bug in a program, but how can i report a bug when building a source package retrieved using apt-get source and compiled with dpkg-buildpackage ?
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2742[15:35:44] <RoyK> !bugs
2743[15:35:46] <dpkg> error: could not parse
2744[15:35:49] <RoyK> !bug
2745[15:35:50] <dpkg> Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, replaced-url
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2749[15:37:01] <josecapurro> RoyK: Thanks!
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2753[15:38:56] <petn-randall> josecapurro: What bug are you seeing?
2754[15:39:00] <Kiril> petn-randall: i pressume no
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2756[15:39:34] <petn-randall> Kiril: Well, that would be a way to check if it's a bug in mariadb, or you have a broken database.
2757[15:41:01] <josecapurro> petn-randall: I'm not really sure this is a bug or just incompetence of mine, but i'm trying to compile Squid with --enable-ssl-crtd --with-openssl, and it fails with some variables not being declared: CRYPTO_LOCK_X509, CRYPTO_LOCK_EVP_KEY and CRYPTO_LOCK_SSL.
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2759[15:41:23] <josecapurro> petn-randall: I've installed libssl-dev and libcrypto++-dev
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2763[15:42:13] <josecapurro> petn-randall: I'll dig deeper before submitting anything.
2764[15:42:41] <josecapurro> petn-randall: This is in a Linode, Debian GNU/Linux 9.2 (stretch)
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2768[15:43:24] <petn-randall> josecapurro: Does it build with the default flags?
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2772[15:44:35] <josecapurro> petn-randall: Yes, and i've added --enable-ssl-crtd and --with openssl to debian/rules. This is for supporting filtering HTTPS connections.
2773[15:44:42] <petn-randall> josecapurro: I'd look into the upstream documentation what is needed to compile this, this isn't a Debian bug if the Debian source package compiles fine with the default flags and installed build dependencies.
2774[15:45:17] <petn-randall> josecapurro: I'd also check when it was added, it might be that the Debian package is not new enough.
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2780[15:46:06] <josecapurro> petn-randall: In upstream is OK. I have sucessfully compiled squid3 in CentOS 6 and 7 with SSL support. I wanted to do the same with Debian.
2781[15:46:26] <josecapurro> petn-randall: I will try to do this with the upstream tarball.
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2783[15:47:30] <petn-randall> josecapurro: Which Debian release are you using?
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2785[15:48:15] <josecapurro> petn-randall: Stretch. 9.2. Linode image.
2786[15:49:12] <petn-randall> That should™ be newer than CentOS 6. Then I'd check which header packages are needed to compile against. Might be others than you expect.
2787[15:49:34] <petn-randall> Or you might need to point to the target dirs with -I.
2788[15:50:17] <josecapurro> petn-randall: Yes. The repo version is 3.5.23. I'm downloading from upstream the same version to compile it with the same flags.
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2791[15:50:29] <josecapurro> petn-randall: Hmmm... It can be... -I.
2792[15:50:37] <josecapurro> petn-randall: Will try it first.
2793[15:51:42] <RedSoxFan07> josecapurro: How do you find out the repo version?
2794[15:51:53] <petn-randall> ,v squid
2795[15:51:54] <judd> Package: squid on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.7.STABLE9-4.1+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 2.7.STABLE9-4.1+deb7u2; buster: 3.5.23-5; sid: 3.5.23-5; stretch: 3.5.23-5
2796[15:52:03] <petn-randall> RedSoxFan07: ^^^
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2799[15:53:19] <josecapurro> petn-randall: Bug in uptream: replaced-url
2800[15:53:26] <RedSoxFan07> petn-randall: huh?
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2802[15:55:18] <petn-randall> josecapurro: Does CentOS 6/7 come with openssl 1.0? Might be why it works there. Debian 9 ships openssl 1.1.
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2806[15:56:38] <josecapurro> petn-randall: CentOS 6.9 (Final) - OpenSSL 1.0.1e-fips 11 Feb 2013
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2809[15:57:04] <Sepultura_> How the hell do I add binaries to the packages?
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2815[15:57:35] <josecapurro> petn-randall: Debian 9.2 (stretch) - OpenSSL 1.1.0f 25 May 2017
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2818[15:57:43] <petn-randall> Sepultura_: Try with less swearing, and adding more details to your question.
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2820[15:58:27] <josecapurro> petn-randall: So, i believe this is not a problem from the Debian side. No need to report it.
2821[15:58:28] <petn-randall> josecapurro: That'll be the reason then. Either find a squid version that supports openssl 1.1, or you could install Debian 8 which still ships with openssl 1.0.
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2824[15:59:48] <Sepultura_> petn-randall, I tried to put some pictures in ~/Packages/cplex/debian/source/include-binaries but it failed
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2827[16:00:56] <petn-randall> Sepultura_: Step back a little. What OS are you running?
2828[16:01:02] <Sepultura_> Debian
2829[16:01:06] <petn-randall> Sepultura_: Which release?
2830[16:01:08] <Sepultura_> 9 i think
2831[16:01:19] <Sepultura_> I downloaded today on your site
2832[16:01:32] <petn-randall> Sepultura_: "lsb_release -a" will tell you.
2833[16:01:49] <josecapurro> Just a thought: in this kind of case, is correct to show this to the package mantainer in order to support the feature?
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2837[16:02:32] <josecapurro> The case being the package not compiling because of version mismatch with libraries/tooling/requisites
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2839[16:03:03] <petn-randall> josecapurro: They'll likely know. And wait for upstream to fix it, so they also know. It's just a matter of when they get around to support it.
2840[16:03:03] <Sepultura_> Debian GNU/Linux 9.2
2841[16:03:09] <Sepultura_> (stretch)
2842[16:03:24] <petn-randall> Sepultura_: And what is your goal?
2843[16:03:27] <petn-randall> !goal
2844[16:03:28] <dpkg> Describe your goal, not what you think the solution is.
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2846[16:04:13] <Sepultura_> petn-randall, make a package
2847[16:04:20] <petn-randall> Sepultura_: A package of what?
2848[16:04:24] <Sepultura_> for cplex
2849[16:04:39] <JyZyXEL> how to mount a MTP device in debian?
2850[16:04:41] <petn-randall> Sepultura_: What is your package source? cplex is not in Debian?
2851[16:04:55] <petn-randall> s/?$/./
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2853[16:05:29] <Sepultura_> petn-randall, cplex has a bin installer for all Linux. The Preinst Script downloads and runs it
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2855[16:05:50] <Sepultura_> but I need to copy a picture so I can use it as Icon for start menu
2856[16:06:18] <petn-randall> Sepultura_: What is the website of the upstream project?
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2859[16:07:13] <Sepultura_> the deb Package works if I don't put any binaries in cplex_12.7.1.orig.tar.gz
2860[16:07:24] <Sepultura_> or just a text file with Version number
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2863[16:08:10] <Sepultura_> the preinst script works fine. remove works fine. I just need to push a picture and a .desktop file inside the package
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2866[16:09:47] <Sepultura_> every other distribution allows it too that you put a folder with binaries, pictures text files and say cp x /usr/share/icons/48x48/apps/cplex.png
2867[16:10:13] <Sepultura_> so it should be able here too
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2871[16:11:17] <Sepultura_> got it
2872[16:11:27] <Sepultura_> include-binaries is a file and no folder :P
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2891[16:20:16] <Elodin> Hello guys, i just installed debian and im having a little trouble to join my wifi. I installed the xfce DE and configurations seem all right.
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2903[16:22:39] <BCMM> Elodin: do you mean you have tried to connect, and something went wrong, or that you can't see how to connect?
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2905[16:23:38] <Elodin> i have tried to connect multiple times, i even deleted the connection configuration through xfce menu and created a new one. It sees my wifi but it doesnt stabilish the connection
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2907[16:24:02] <petn-randall> Elodin: Did you use the firmware installer?
2908[16:24:17] <Elodin> although during the installation it was connected
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2911[16:24:53] <dioporco> ooooo
2912[16:24:56] <dioporco> hi debianist
2913[16:25:15] <Elodin> petn-randall: i don't know what it is
2914[16:26:01] <Brigo> Elodin, the usual problem is the lack of firmware.
2915[16:26:08] <dioporco> #join maradona
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2917[16:26:26] <Elodin> Brigo: you mean the driver for the network adapter?
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2919[16:27:03] <Brigo> Elodin, if you got connection then forget my statment.
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2921[16:27:41] <Elodin> Brigo: i can visualise available networks but i cant seem to connect to them
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2923[16:28:46] <Brigo> Elodin, then i don't think the problems is the firmware.
2924[16:29:08] <dioporco> Elodin: have you tried to reboot?
2925[16:29:23] <petn-randall> dioporco: Do you have a Debian support question?
2926[16:29:45] <Elodin> yes i just rebooted, same thing. Im trying diff configurations like mtu
2927[16:29:47] <dioporco> petn-randall: not really
2928[16:29:59] <dioporco> but I am here to help
2929[16:30:16] <petn-randall> Elodin: Usually you'll find something in the logs for network-manager. I'd check /var/log/daemon.log and syslog.
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2955[16:41:00] <tw> Can I prevent kernel modules from getting automatically loaded when a USB device is plugged/unplugged? Not specific modules (ie, not blacklist), no new modules at all on hotplug.
2956[16:41:33] <petn-randall> tw: Sure, internet search for "linux usb authorization".
2957[16:41:47] <petn-randall> tw: The kernel framework is there, I think Debian even has a GUI for that.
2958[16:41:57] <tw> petn-randall: cool, thank you much.
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2960[16:42:08] <petn-randall> ,v usbguard-applet-qt
2961[16:42:10] <judd> Package: usbguard-applet-qt on amd64 -- stretch: 0.6.2+ds1-2; buster: 0.7.0+ds1-2; sid: 0.7.0+ds1-2
2962[16:42:13] <petn-randall> tw: ^^^ This one.
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2966[16:42:33] <rant> how do I specify ssh port in rsync command? I tried rsync user@1.2.3.4:56/pathtofile . and it still used port 22 to me that looks to be the syntax in the synopsis
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2973[16:44:07] <rant> oh nm, it says rsync://
2974[16:44:13] <helldorado> hi all
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2976[16:44:30] <BCMM> rant: if you user rsync:// then you're using the rsync protocol, not going over ssh
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2978[16:44:55] <RedSoxFan07> rant: Here's what I found in the manual page for rsync: rsync [OPTION]... SRC [SRC]... rsync://[USER@]HOST[:PORT]/DEST
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2980[16:45:17] <rant> BCMM: yeah just noticed that..
2981[16:45:29] <BCMM> rant: you can use the -e param to specify the SSH command line it should use
2982[16:45:29] <Elodin> My device state is down and i cant seem to bring it up
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2987[16:46:34] <BCMM> rant: e.g. rsync -e "ssh -p 56" user@blahblahblah
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2989[16:46:46] <Elodin> how would i know if my wireless card is proper installed?
2990[16:47:17] <BCMM> Elodin: is it listed in the output of `/sbin/ifconfig -a`?
2991[16:47:34] <rant> BCMM: thanks, that worked
2992[16:47:37] <Elodin> ip link is showing wlx0087312a02a8
2993[16:47:44] <BCMM> rant: also if you regularly connect to this host you might want to set the port in your ~/.ssh/config
2994[16:47:45] <Elodin> instead of wlan0
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2997[16:48:33] <BCMM> rant: that way ssh, rsync and so on will all know the correct params for that host forever
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3000[16:48:57] <Elodin> BCMM: there is no ifconfig here, but ip link shows this wx0087312a02a8 instead of wlan0
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3002[16:49:07] <JustASlacker> use ip link show
3003[16:49:37] <Elodin> same thing
3004[16:49:38] <BCMM> Elodin: i think that's a "predictable network name"
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3006[16:50:26] <Elodin> it is my network card
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3008[16:50:34] <Elodin> but it's state is down
3009[16:50:40] <Elodin> i cant seem to bring it uup
3010[16:50:58] <Elodin> if i remove it from usb, then ip link show dont shows it
3011[16:51:05] <Elodin> so it is my card
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3014[16:51:44] <mtn> Elodin, run this in a terminal: sudo rfkill list wifi paste what you get to paste.debian.net
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3016[16:52:21] <Elodin> its a brand new installation
3017[16:52:32] <Elodin> i dont have this command rfkill
3018[16:52:45] <Elodin> oh well
3019[16:52:45] <mtn> Elodin, install it?
3020[16:52:58] <Elodin> without internet connection
3021[16:53:07] <mtn> Elodin, no lan?
3022[16:53:11] <Elodin> no
3023[16:53:33] <Elodin> just a question
3024[16:53:56] <Elodin> say i want to download my wifi card drivers how would i do that and install them
3025[16:54:12] <RedSoxFan07> Elodin: connect via Ethernet
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3027[16:54:48] <Elodin> cant i download them from another pc and install manually?
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3030[16:55:54] <rant> BCMM: hmm.. I'll look into that.. right now I'm just trying to download a disk image and my connection is too unreliable so I downloaded it remotely and I'm trying to xfer it to this box.. but its not going well :P
3031[16:56:19] <BCMM> rant: --partial --progress
3032[16:56:35] <BCMM> the partial is vital, lets you resume on interruptions
3033[16:56:46] <BCMM> the --progress is just to keep you sane on a slow connection
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3035[16:56:49] <rant> yeah.. doing scp or rsync seems to be causing my connection to drop
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3037[16:57:07] <BCMM> ooh, i've had connections like that. basically any heavy traffic will do it probably
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3040[16:59:23] <tw> -P is the same as --partial --progress
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3042[16:59:40] <tw> I usually do rsync -avxP these days
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3044[17:00:23] <RoyK> tw: add -HAXS if you're paranoid, and perhaps without -x if you want it to recurse into other filesystems
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3046[17:00:51] <tw> people use xattrs and acls in the real world?
3047[17:01:06] <RoyK> yes
3048[17:01:08] <RoyK> quite a few
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3050[17:01:22] <tw> Must be nice living in the future ;)
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3053[17:02:07] <RoyK> well, it's 2017 ;)
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3055[17:02:31] <Hachya> I have stretch running as a kvm guest, but I can't connect to it from the host box, no ping response or SSH.. No selinux, firewalld, or iptables currently setup. Network is bridged, and I can get out to the internet from the guest. Any idea what I'm missing?
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3059[17:03:33] <RoyK> Hachya: using bridge or nat?
3060[17:03:45] <RoyK> oh - you said bridge
3061[17:03:59] <Hachya> yeah, first thing I did
3062[17:04:02] <RoyK> Hachya: pastebin network config
3063[17:04:06] <`levi> I'm getting a message that the disk is full. /var/log is extremely heavy, 20gb. Why?
3064[17:04:22] <RoyK> works for me on a lot of installatiosions
3065[17:04:22] <Hachya> wish I could, lol, can't copy from the vmm console.
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3068[17:04:31] <RoyK> Hachya: I meant on the host
3069[17:04:42] <Hachya> yeah, I can't ssh isto it.
3070[17:04:49] <Hachya> oh wait
3071[17:04:56] <Hachya> you mean the host's network config, whoops
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3074[17:04:59] <RoyK> `levi: check ls -laSr /var/log to see which file is growing
3075[17:05:21] <RoyK> Hachya: I do indeed :)
3076[17:05:32] <Hachya> you want interfaces right?
3077[17:05:35] <RoyK> yep
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3080[17:05:54] <RoyK> dpkg: tell Hachya about pastebin
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3086[17:07:13] <Hachya> lmao I know what pastebin is
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3088[17:07:41] <RoyK> just for precausion ;)
3089[17:08:03] <`levi> RoyK: replaced-url
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3093[17:08:34] <Hachya> it's actually short, just has ine1: auto lo and line2: iface lo inet loopback
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3095[17:09:06] <Hachya> before that is source: /etc/network/interfaces.d/*
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3097[17:09:13] <RoyK> Hachya: did you setup bridging at all?
3098[17:09:17] <a-l-e> after many years, i've tried again to add a usb printer to my debian laptop...
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3100[17:09:39] <Hachya> I did. The guest can get out fine
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3102[17:09:48] <Hachya> ping, etc. to google dns/google.com, etc
3103[17:09:55] <RoyK> `levi: better do a tail -f on messages or just check dmesg - seems something is rather bad
3104[17:10:03] <`levi> RoyK: sorry for not adding the -h hahah
3105[17:10:22] <a-l-e> arg, deleted the pastebin instead of submitting it..
3106[17:10:23] <RoyK> Hachya: pastebin output of "ip a"
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3108[17:11:30] <Hachya> RoyK: replaced-url
3109[17:11:40] <a-l-e> so, after a few years i've tried again to setup the printing on my laptop but
3110[17:11:45] <a-l-e> lpr -P HL2270DW /usr/share/cups/data/testprint
3111[17:11:46] <a-l-e> fails
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3113[17:11:56] <a-l-e> more details are here: replaced-url
3114[17:12:06] <a-l-e> does anybody have a hint?
3115[17:12:33] <RoyK> Hachya: setup a bridge first, like br0 - google it
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3118[17:13:06] <Hachya> RoyK: isn't that what virbo0 is?
3119[17:13:11] <Hachya> *virbr0
3120[17:13:28] <a-l-e> printing the test document from the cups web interface also gives me the printer as available, but nothing comes out.
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3122[17:13:59] <Hachya> and if a bridge wasn't already setup, the guest wouldn't be able to get out, no?
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3125[17:14:48] <RoyK> Hachya: no, just setup a bridge and choose that devices, like br0, as the bridging device for the vm - see replaced-url
3126[17:14:52] <RoyK> !bridge
3127[17:14:52] <dpkg> Bridges link two or more network segments using the same network technology. The network topologies do not have to be the same, i.e. you can bridge Ethernet and Token Ring. If the protocols are not the same on segments, then you've got a router. Bridges are used to reduce network traffic, increase cable distance (by acting as a repeater) and to link dissimilar topologies with the same network protocol. Ask me about <bridge setup>.
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3129[17:15:59] <RoyK> Hachya: better do this with a console in hand, since it may fail if you do something wrong and you may cut of the branch you're sitting on
3130[17:16:07] <Hachya> k
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3132[17:16:09] <`levi> RoyK: ok. I tried the tail but the output is extremely long. Should I pastebin you dmesg?
3133[17:16:26] <salvatore> Ciao!
3134[17:16:34] <salvatore> !LISTA
3135[17:16:41] <rant> bridges are also used to create a transparent firewall or monitoring/caching system
3136[17:16:44] <petn-randall> salvatore: Try !list
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3138[17:17:51] <Hachya> yeah I know what bridges are for, setup one before, just wasn't sure why I'd need to do it when networking is already working from the guest, just not the ability to access it from the host.
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3140[17:18:14] <Hachya> which is why I assumed it was something like SE or fwd/iptables
3141[17:18:22] <RoyK> `levi: pastebin dmesg, please
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3153[17:21:59] <`levi> RoyK: I can't paste it on debian.pastebin.net, it says that the request entity is too large
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3155[17:22:12] <`levi> RoyK: it's probably because the output is too long
3156[17:22:51] <RoyK> `levi: just dmesg | tail -100 | pastebinit
3157[17:22:54] <RoyK> it should do
3158[17:24:16] <`levi> RoyK: replaced-url
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3160[17:24:44] <RoyK> `levi: ufw logging off
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3162[17:26:06] <CuteMeOwnThroat> hm, in strace output, what kind of open is: open(0x7fdd71d59a4a, O_RDONLY|O_CLOEXEC) = 3
3163[17:26:12] <CuteMeOwnThroat> looks like a memory address
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3165[17:27:23] <jelly> open(2): int open(const char *pathname, int flags);
3166[17:27:45] <CuteMeOwnThroat> oh, seems it's a privilege thing, root gets something else
3167[17:27:57] <jelly> why did strace not dereference the *, no idea
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3170[17:29:21] <`levi> RoyK: I see. any idea why this is happening?
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3172[17:29:55] <`levi> Is there something I can do to solve the issue and free the disk system disk space
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3174[17:30:49] <maxzor> nvm rant got it sorted was indeed better to use up to date .deb and not the 0.15 version in repo :) thanks again is neat
3175[17:31:35] <`levi> I have set ufw logging off, but what should I do to clear the disk space
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3183[17:34:41] <jelly> dpkg, qotd299 is --> salvatore (~salvatore@replaced-ip) has joined #debian <salvatore> Ciao! <salvatore> !LISTA <petn-randall> salvatore: Try !list
3184[17:34:41] <dpkg> jelly: okay
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3187[17:35:06] <petn-randall> :)
3188[17:35:37] <`levi> I just removed messages, ufw.log & kern.log, RoyK
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3194[17:37:12] <jelly> aand 10 "new" quotes added to qotd0
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3196[17:37:21] <jelly> !factinfo qotd290
3197[17:37:22] <dpkg> qotd290 -- created by themill <~stuart@unaffiliated/themill> at Sun Apr 12 03:43:31 2015 (942 days); it has been requested 5 times, last by jelly at Fri Nov 27 14:46:13 2015.
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3199[17:37:33] <jelly> where "new" is 2015-2017
3200[17:38:13] <petn-randall> Yay, I'm helping \o/
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3206[17:40:58] <RoyK> `levi: did you turn off ufw logging and restart rsyslogd/
3207[17:41:02] <RoyK> ?
3208[17:41:31] <RoyK> data isn't freed until a file is closed
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3210[17:41:41] <`levi> RoyK: I turned off ufw logging and I deleted the logs manually with sudo rm
3211[17:42:21] <dcpc007> hi, what is the difference between /usr/local and /opt when choosing folder to manual install via a .bin a specific software not present in repo ?
3212[17:42:25] <RoyK> then restart the syslogger
3213[17:42:43] <RoyK> dcpc007: nothing, really, except /opt/something isn't in PATH by default
3214[17:43:13] <RoyK> dcpc007: it's just files - you can put them under /hahahaha if you like
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3216[17:43:15] <dcpc007> the install here will install a whole bunch of components ... including a tomcat/java
3217[17:43:34] <RoyK> dcpc007: what sort of system is this?
3218[17:43:41] <RoyK> !lsb
3219[17:43:41] <dpkg> [lsb] Debian is dropping LSB support; see replaced-url
3220[17:43:43] <dcpc007> yes, i know but i try to respect some standard, too bored of looking on old servers <here are the files
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3222[17:43:51] <dcpc007> debian 7, install Atlassian Jira
3223[17:44:02] <RoyK> oh - jira
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3225[17:44:16] <RoyK> iirc it needs specific versions of java et cetera
3226[17:44:23] <RoyK> just put them under /opt/somewhere
3227[17:44:33] <jelly> dcpc007: debian 7 is really old, and you want postgres 9.4 for current jira iirc
3228[17:44:34] <dcpc007> yes, then i will have a xxx/atlassian/jira/<components>
3229[17:44:43] <dcpc007> mysql 5.5 is ok
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3234[17:44:59] <jelly> dcpc007: atlassian recommends postgres
3235[17:45:03] <RoyK> better use postgresql
3236[17:45:05] <dcpc007> yes but i must duplicate a current Jira install that was migrated and migrated and ... and not well configured
3237[17:45:07] <RoyK> mysql sucks
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3240[17:45:12] <dcpc007> better if you know postgres :)
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3242[17:45:21] <RoyK> it's not a big difference
3243[17:45:26] <dcpc007> here only mysql knowledge
3244[17:45:27] <dcpc007> lol
3245[17:45:29] <jelly> dcpc007: those migrations are done using their xml export and import anyway
3246[17:45:30] <RoyK> and there's far less tuning on postgres
3247[17:45:40] <dcpc007> no perf need crrently
3248[17:45:48] <RoyK> just use postgres
3249[17:46:07] <jelly> our jira person has migrated from oracle to oracle to postgres, and from linux to windows for the app
3250[17:46:10] <dcpc007> mysql install and custom is one line here for me, then no
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3253[17:47:33] <dcpc007> ha for my choice i see another thing : in my partition scheme, /opt has no lvm (then in the / FS ....), /usr/local is in the /usr FS with more space :)
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3255[17:47:40] <jelly> so now the app runs on windows, and db is on debian 8 with postgres from jessie-backports
3256[17:47:56] <jelly> I'm lying. It's from jessie.
3257[17:48:03] <RoyK> dcpc007: then create an lv for opt
3258[17:48:12] <dcpc007> baaah, tomcat on windows ... yeah :) locally they work badly, need double resources ... and nt well managed :(-
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3260[17:48:16] <RoyK> dcpc007: it shouldn't be too hard
3261[17:48:20] <dcpc007> VM already created ... :-(
3262[17:48:35] <RoyK> dcpc007: then add another disk to it
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3265[17:49:21] <dcpc007> will be good for install in /usr/local for this test. never had to put a specific disk for a /opt, i want to limit exceptions inconfigs
3266[17:49:37] <jelly> inside a VM, keeping everything on LVM (and PV on whole disk, no partitions at all) makes things a lot simpler
3267[17:49:38] <RoyK> dcpc007: keep in mind than when allocating space for lv's, keep it low and just increase as you go
3268[17:49:50] <dcpc007> after if all are different can't make automation
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3270[17:50:00] <dcpc007> lol my prod servers are 60GB disk :)
3271[17:50:06] * RoyK gives up
3272[17:50:06] <dcpc007> can't go lower :)
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3275[17:50:33] <jelly> our VMs are 40GB by default and thin provisioned anyway
3276[17:50:39] <dcpc007> (i'm trying to implement config/deply with salt .. )
3277[17:50:42] <jelly> so really 40, 60, doesn't matter
3278[17:51:05] <dcpc007> only exception is a 2nd disk for application data in a /srv/<app_name>/
3279[17:51:14] <dcpc007> when it's needed (not often :) )
3280[17:51:29] <`levi> RoyK: done, thank you very much for your help! :)
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3282[17:52:23] <jelly> jira stores attachments on the app server, but not much more iirc
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3284[17:52:41] <dcpc007> haaa ok seen the difference...
3285[17:53:04] <dcpc007> /usr/local should respect a /bin, /var, /log, /xxx structure under it
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3287[17:53:57] <dcpc007> and /opt should have a /opt/<ap_name>/<all the files of the app>
3288[17:54:03] <dcpc007> grrr
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3291[17:55:34] <tw> i usually end up with /opt/vendor/app/*
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3297[18:00:20] <dcpc007> i tend to avoid at max use optional app and try use the official repo ... then very few cases ... and last time really small one... first case with a big tomcat/java app
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3302[18:01:21] <dcpc007> i try in my tiny /opt ... myabe i'll resize my template in the future, but many servers with this template ... i'll switch when migrate to debian 8-9
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3304[18:01:41] <dcpc007> and ask disk growth (or reduce /usr to create a /opt)
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3306[18:01:59] <dcpc007> but complicated to multply the FS and keep a small size
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3308[18:02:49] <dcpc007> loooool damn java !!!!!! in the install console backspace makes ^H
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3311[18:03:30] <`levi> I can't believe I had 20gb of logs from ufw lmao
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3316[18:05:52] <dcpc007> thx to you guys
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3376[18:29:47] <Upoufou> Hello all
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3409[18:46:21] <RoyK> Upoufou: hi
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3445[19:01:21] <polymorphisme> Hello le monde :)
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3457[19:05:16] <ddesorden> Hi freenode
3458[19:05:23] <ddesorden> visit ddesorden.neocities.org
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3461[19:05:33] <ddesorden> the world and history depend yourself
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3466[19:06:06] <petn-randall> ddesorden: Spam will not be tolerated here.
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3487[19:15:10] <OtakuSenpai> hello
3488[19:15:25] <OtakuSenpai> i recently launched xfce and am new to it
3489[19:15:48] <OtakuSenpai> how do i launch a newly installed app(gui) ?
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3494[19:17:34] <Upoufou> xfce is good ?
3495[19:17:56] <OtakuSenpai> so far so good
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3497[19:18:15] <OtakuSenpai> just want to launch geany and some other apps
3498[19:18:16] <Upoufou> i have gnome no teste xfce
3499[19:18:25] <petn-randall> OtakuSenpai: Just launch it in the start menu?
3500[19:18:34] <RoyK> some like the mother, some the dauther, some the son etc / xkcd works well
3501[19:19:15] <Upoufou> but gnome bug with network manager -_-
3502[19:19:32] <OtakuSenpai> petn-randall: idk Launcher doesnt show it
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3505[19:20:48] <petn-randall> OtakuSenpai: Does your launcher show any apps?
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3510[19:21:05] <OtakuSenpai> yes, the ones which came with xfce
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3512[19:22:43] <n4dir> You launch the apps either via applications-menu or via the command-prompt (i recall alt+F2 for the command prompt in xfce4). The applictaions menu: either click on it or launch it with alt+F1 (again: iirc)
3513[19:23:24] <n4dir> there is that thing called desktop-icons too. I never used them, but that would be another option
3514[19:23:48] <OtakuSenpai> i could like to try the desktop icons
3515[19:24:02] <OtakuSenpai> is there a way to create such?
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3517[19:24:28] <n4dir> i think you just right click on the desktop, then follow the quite natural questions.
3518[19:25:38] <Upoufou> is stable ?
3519[19:25:44] <n4dir> what?
3520[19:25:54] <Upoufou> xfce is stable ?
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3522[19:26:11] <RoyK> it is
3523[19:26:12] <n4dir> the last time i used it it was damn stable.
3524[19:27:05] <Upoufou> it's bad if when i have installed strecht i have choose gnome ? is possible to change or is complicated
3525[19:27:12] <n4dir> for the while i observed it, quite some years, they didn't tend to radical changes. I really like it.
3526[19:27:58] <n4dir> Upoufou: just install xfce4, then select it from the display-manager, probably gdm (where you enter username and password)
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3528[19:28:31] <Upoufou> and for paquet who installed with gnome name like network manager ?
3529[19:28:33] <n4dir> short answer: not complicated at all
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3532[19:28:50] <n4dir> depends. You can leave them or remove them. Whatever you prefer.
3533[19:29:00] <Upoufou> ok doc
3534[19:29:30] <n4dir> they will turn up in the applications menu, which can become a little bit of a mess. But as long you don't mix kde and gnome, the mess is rather small.
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3536[19:29:45] <Upoufou> i hae some probleme with gnome i can maybe change with xfcee
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3546[19:34:04] <OtakuSenpai> so
3547[19:34:19] <vvande> yeah
3548[19:34:25] <OtakuSenpai> how do i find the location of the app in question,if i know its package name
3549[19:34:40] <vvande> use "which"
3550[19:34:47] <OtakuSenpai> like the executable
3551[19:34:52] <vvande> yep
3552[19:35:06] <BCMM> OtakuSenpai: dpkg -L packagename
3553[19:35:07] <greycat> if you don't know the name of the program, use dpkg -L pkgname | grep /bin
3554[19:35:16] <OtakuSenpai> ok thnx
3555[19:35:32] <n4dir> /usr/bin/ doesn't sound like an unusual path for an applictation to be run by the user.
3556[19:35:41] <greycat> I did not say ^/bin
3557[19:35:45] <BCMM> noting that an application on linux does not really have a "location" like c:\program files\company\application\
3558[19:36:21] <BCMM> so what you're actually getting is a list of all the files that the package has installed to various locations around the filesystem
3559[19:36:26] <vvande> yes, the "which" command just gives the location of the executable
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3629[20:02:17] <Icarus> does anyone know why dpkg-buildpackage is spitting out packages labeled "tiny"?? -and what they're for?? -i can't find any documentation on this and i been searching for like ano hour already.
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3650[20:14:43] <annadane> Icarus, it depends on what you mean and what packages but for example vim-tiny exists in order to save space
3651[20:15:10] <annadane> i actually don't know too much about dpkg-buildpackage to really comment but that's my assumption
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3653[20:15:37] <Icarus> it is as literal as it sounds. dpkg-buildpackage is spitting out extra packages with "tiny" in the label.
3654[20:15:51] <annadane> yes, i gathered that
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3658[20:16:24] <Icarus> like i built my own nano and i got a few packages as the result. the regular one for my arch, one "dbgsym" for symbols, and one labeled "tiny".
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3662[20:17:21] <Icarus> it happens anytime i modify my rules, optimize my flags, and build the package for anything i've tried so far.
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3676[20:27:09] <ctc> Someone here has used groupware such as egroupware or citadel?
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3690[20:30:18] <annadane> !anyone
3691[20:30:18] <dpkg> Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
3692[20:30:30] <n4dir> I once installed citadel and hat a quick look at it, but i doubt i will be able to answer any questions.
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3694[20:30:59] <Icarus> is that a bot response??
3695[20:31:18] <n4dir> !dpkg
3696[20:31:19] <dpkg> it has been said that dpkg is the program used by Debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>.
3697[20:31:36] <n4dir> !dpkgbot
3698[20:31:37] <dpkg> Please visit replaced-url
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3701[20:32:10] <`levi> how can I set a startup application if it's not in the tweak tool applications list?
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3703[20:33:47] <ctc> was asked for a group software, currently indecisive between citadel and egroupware
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3707[20:34:58] <n4dir> well: citadel looked very good to me. But i can't compare it with anything (and i didn't really use it, i only had a look what it does and such)
3708[20:35:33] <LtL> `levi: make a .desktop file in /home/user/.config/autostart
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3710[20:36:20] <LtL> `levi: that works in gnome atleast
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3724[20:44:31] <teraflops> `levi: I suppose you're talking about gnome
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3726[20:44:56] <teraflops> because the "tweak tool" part
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3729[20:46:00] <greycat> that was my guess also
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3733[20:47:28] <teraflops> so, for gnome, you can do what LtL suggested, you can also do it system wide at /etc/xdg/autostart and even putting your stuff at ~/.xprofile (on per line) if you are using GDM
3734[20:47:40] <teraflops> one^
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3763[20:56:53] <Uaa> hello
3764[20:57:17] <Uaa> Can you help me about gnome UI?
3765[20:58:13] <LtL> Uaa: sure, it needs work :) what else?
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3781[21:00:39] <LtL> Uaa: sorry i was joking. Ask what ever you want about debian gnome et al.
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3786[21:02:42] <StuckMojo> so, upgrading from jes to stretch...instructions say "apt-get ..." is that actually preferable to using "apt" ?
3787[21:02:52] <greycat> doesn't really matter
3788[21:03:03] <StuckMojo> ok, thanks
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3791[21:03:31] <StuckMojo> so apt-get, aptitude, and apt are all using the same underlying libs these days?
3792[21:03:46] <Hachya> I've heard more apt is preferable to apt b/c shorter
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3794[21:04:00] <StuckMojo> i was an aptitude guy, until just recently when i realized plain "apt" was a thing
3795[21:04:13] <Hachya> I think I've always used apt-get until just like this month lmao
3796[21:04:15] <StuckMojo> Hachya: apt preferrable to apt?
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3798[21:04:20] <StuckMojo> 14:03 < Hachya> I've heard more apt is preferable to apt b/c shorter
3799[21:04:25] <Hachya> apt-get
3800[21:04:27] <Hachya> whoops
3801[21:04:31] <StuckMojo> yeah :)
3802[21:04:34] <Hachya> like apt > apt-get
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3804[21:04:36] <StuckMojo> which are you saying is better?
3805[21:04:36] <greycat> apt(8) does an automatic removal of .deb files after each operation by default; apt-get does not.
3806[21:04:37] <StuckMojo> kk
3807[21:04:39] <Hachya> typing is hard
3808[21:05:06] <greycat> apt(8) also uses hideously poor colors by default, if you happen to be using a terminal with a white background, which is the traditional default for many terminals
3809[21:05:07] <StuckMojo> greycat: meaning it does the equivalent of apt-get clean?
3810[21:05:13] <Hachya> replaced-url
3811[21:05:18] <greycat> StuckMojo: yes, except that it it only removes the ones that it operated on
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3814[21:05:42] <Hachya> like this one says apt also has list which apt-get doesn't, which I blv is correct
3815[21:05:43] <StuckMojo> ah. i like having the cache, it comes in handy sometimes
3816[21:06:00] <greycat> apt(8) tries to merge some of the subcommands of both apt-get AND apt-cache search
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3820[21:06:17] <StuckMojo> although for a dist-upgrade, i guess i would want it to clean after
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3822[21:06:24] <StuckMojo> since so many debs DLed
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3827[21:07:07] <greycat> In the end, you choose whichever one you want.
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3830[21:07:35] <StuckMojo> i leaned on aptitude because it did a lot better job with conflicts / problems
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3832[21:07:49] <Hachya> hey if you wanna type four more characters, then go right ehad
3833[21:07:53] <Hachya> *ahead
3834[21:08:00] <greycat> Some people choose aptitude, and that's fine. Just follow the release notes for actual dist upgrades.
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3837[21:08:42] <StuckMojo> well aptitude is now depricated, no?
3838[21:08:51] <greycat> Said who?
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3840[21:09:05] <StuckMojo> also, apt-get never gives you the choices of what to do for complex problems, no?
3841[21:09:16] <StuckMojo> greycat: ISTR reading that at some point
3842[21:09:19] <StuckMojo> years back
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3845[21:09:39] <StuckMojo> way to far back to remember where i got that impression (the deprication i mean)
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3847[21:10:33] <BillKGR> The only thing that I remember reading is that you should stick with one or another
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3849[21:10:43] <StuckMojo> like back in the day, they pushed you hard towards aptitude
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3851[21:10:53] <StuckMojo> now it's not even installed by default
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3853[21:11:07] <Hachya> I always got the impression "aptitude" was some kind of "old version" for that reason
3854[21:11:16] <StuckMojo> BillKGR: i think now that they're both on the same underlying libs, it doesn't matter
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3856[21:11:28] <StuckMojo> back when aptitude first came out, that wasn't the case
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3858[21:12:08] <Hachya> Is, is there any non-shitty way to install a driver manager for video drivers similar to the one in mint on Stretch?
3859[21:12:16] <StuckMojo> Hachya: apt-get came first, then aptitude...around Woody or so? and now plain apt
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3861[21:12:28] <Hachya> weird, could swwear apititude was first
3862[21:12:35] <Hachya> then gain, I'm bad with history/timelines
3863[21:12:47] <StuckMojo> definitely now
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3865[21:12:51] <StuckMojo> s/now/not/
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3868[21:13:10] <StuckMojo> there as no aptitude in potato AFAIK
3869[21:13:26] <StuckMojo> greycat might remember better
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3874[21:14:24] <StuckMojo> i ran sid on my desktop for about 5 years, and you know how shit breaks about once a week (packaging wise) so aptitude became my go-to then, because it was way better (meaning it actually tried) at handling conflicts
3875[21:14:49] <StuckMojo> back then apt-get would just error and tell you to eat sand
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3877[21:15:20] <StuckMojo> while aptitude gave you options, getting progressively more drastic as you said no and went to the next one
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3885[21:16:51] <StuckMojo> Hachya: that link claims Ubuntu came up with "apt"?
3886[21:16:54] <StuckMojo> that seems unlikely
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3888[21:17:04] <StuckMojo> i would have ass-u-me-ed it came from deb
3889[21:17:08] <Hachya> I only really linked it for the command stuff.
3890[21:17:15] <StuckMojo> as almost everything else in ubunty
3891[21:17:20] <StuckMojo> *u
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3896[21:18:55] <StuckMojo> hmm...later in the article they insinuate that apt did come from here first
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3900[21:20:13] <LtL> i recall debian usage prior to ubuntu's existence IIRC. Correct me if i'm wrong.
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3902[21:20:20] <StuckMojo> Hachya: replaced-url
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3904[21:20:33] <StuckMojo> aptitude was made because dselect kinda sucked, apparently
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3906[21:20:58] <StuckMojo> LtL: "existance" as in ubuntu itself, or "apt"?
3907[21:21:11] <LtL> StuckMojo: ubuntu itself
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3910[21:22:03] <StuckMojo> LtL: oh yeah for sure. Ubuntu is just a debian fork
3911[21:22:23] <StuckMojo> in fact, it's basically (or was in the early days) just a snapshot of Sid every 6 months
3912[21:22:34] <LtL> drives me crazy when people say debian is based on ubuntu, right it's the other way around StuckMojo
3913[21:22:35] <StuckMojo> with about 1000 packages guaranteed to be stable
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3916[21:23:09] <StuckMojo> i.e. they actually fix 1000 of them if there's issues, but the rest is just a snap of Sid
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3918[21:23:40] <greycat> Might be best to ask #ubuntu how they handle bugs.
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3921[21:24:19] <StuckMojo> they abso-fucking-lutely do not stablize the other 30K+ packages that make up debian
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3924[21:24:58] <StuckMojo> but they hit the commonly used / popular ones, and they refresh every 6 months, the latter of which was what turned a lot of people on to it and off of debian
3925[21:25:16] <StuckMojo> back when ubuntu came out, debian was suuuuuuper slow about new releases
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3927[21:25:30] <StuckMojo> IIRC there was like 5 years between potato and woody?
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3931[21:25:51] <greycat> !release history
3932[21:25:51] <dpkg> Named after "Toy Story" characters. Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06), Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14), Squeeze(6.0; 2011-02-06), Wheezy(7; 2013-05-04), Jessie(8; 2015-04-25), Stretch (9; 2017-06-17). Next: Buster. replaced-url
3933[21:25:52] <StuckMojo> but once ubuntu got popular, debian accelerated their rels to keep up
3934[21:26:00] <greycat> Less than 2 years.
3935[21:26:08] <StuckMojo> ah, woody to sarge
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3937[21:26:08] <greycat> You're really not giving correct info.
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3939[21:26:13] <StuckMojo> that was the long one
3940[21:26:37] <StuckMojo> greycat: this is anecdotal / approximate
3941[21:26:41] <StuckMojo> by memory
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3943[21:26:57] <StuckMojo> not meant to be hard reference
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3946[21:27:38] <StuckMojo> well point being that there were multiple years between Deb rels, and ubuntu's are every 6 months
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3948[21:27:57] <StuckMojo> if you wanted fresh versions of stuff, back in the day you had to run Sid
3949[21:28:16] <StuckMojo> which is really a great learning experience
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3951[21:28:26] <greycat> I do not like this word, "fresh". It implies that newer versions are better in some way.
3952[21:28:45] <StuckMojo> sorry, "current"?
3953[21:28:59] <greycat> Bleeding-edge?
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3955[21:29:04] <greycat> Untested?
3956[21:29:22] <Hachya> arch-edge
3957[21:29:25] <Hachya> :D
3958[21:29:34] <StuckMojo> debians greatest strength IMHO is also it's greatest "flaw" (or user complain back in the day): it doens't change much once released
3959[21:29:59] <greycat> !stable
3960[21:29:59] <dpkg> [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or version-bumped, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Stretch (9.0); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the stable version (ask me about <security backports>). replaced-url
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3962[21:30:19] <StuckMojo> so on the desktop when you wanted the newest version of say a browser or apache, you'd have to build it yourself, or find a backport, etc.
3963[21:30:30] <greycat> dpkg, stable =~ s/9.0/9.x/
3964[21:30:30] <dpkg> greycat: OK
3965[21:30:33] <StuckMojo> but on a server, the fact that it's super static is awesome
3966[21:30:37] <StuckMojo> less crap to break
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3968[21:31:03] <StuckMojo> no fear of doing a apt-get upgrade will break stuff, since it's only crash bugs and security fixes that come out
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3970[21:31:12] <StuckMojo> (barring point releases of the OS)
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3974[21:32:19] <StuckMojo> most people don't understand that "stable" in debian means the system packages are stable, they don't change. not "stable" as in doesn't crash
3975[21:32:30] <StuckMojo> well, most people who don't run debian i mean
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3978[21:33:53] <StuckMojo> on a server that's your dream come true. on a desktop it could get a bit irritating when the release started to become long in the tooth. which is why i ran Sid on the desktop for a while
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3980[21:34:26] <StuckMojo> i eventually threw in the towel and now run ubuntu on my desktop and deb on all my servers
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3983[21:34:49] <greycat> Ahhhh, now the diatribe makes sense. You're an Ubuntu user trying to justify yourself.
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3985[21:35:03] <StuckMojo> LOL
3986[21:35:15] <StuckMojo> no. i only have one box running ubuntu
3987[21:35:41] <StuckMojo> and it's not a diatribe, just my impressions over the last 15 years or so
3988[21:35:49] <StuckMojo> i love debian
3989[21:36:18] <StuckMojo> nowadays i run ubuntu LTS, so i could probably switch back to Deb on the desktop
3990[21:36:31] <jhutchins> StuckMojo: Did you have a Debian support question? If so I missed it in the scrollbuffer.
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3995[21:37:00] <StuckMojo> jhutchins: yeah it was about whether to use apt or apt-get for upgrading from jessie
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3997[21:37:51] <jhutchins> StuckMojo: Ah, I see that. Some releases have recommended apt-get because it has less complex dependency resolution, and aptitude sometimes got stuck.
3998[21:38:07] <greycat> Not apt-get vs. aptitude. apt-get vs. apt.
3999[21:38:21] <greycat> As I said at the start, it doesn't matter. They both use the same back-end code.
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4002[21:38:31] <StuckMojo> yeah the /msg dpkg text says apt-get, and i was curious if plain apt wasn't preferred nowdays
4003[21:38:34] <jhutchins> greycat: Right.
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4007[21:39:08] <StuckMojo> jhutchins: didn't mean to get off topic or offend
4008[21:39:23] <StuckMojo> just chattering about history while my upgrade runs
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4010[21:39:36] <jhutchins> StuckMojo: No offence. Not really a chat channel though.
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4013[21:40:11] <StuckMojo> yeah i know. no one was asking any questions though so it seemed ok, plus it was about debian
4014[21:40:16] <StuckMojo> i'll shut up now :)
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4016[21:40:53] <geard> Hey everyone, I'm curious what you would suggest for controlling out of band Debian installs that you don't want to open ports on the firewall. I'm thinking a service that starts and calls a cloud instance and does a reverse tunnel so I can SSH back into the out of band instance. What are your suggestions?
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4023[21:42:47] <jhutchins> geard: Depends on your scope. You could build a local repo.
4024[21:42:52] <jhutchins> !apt offline
4025[21:42:53] <dpkg> To use apt on a machine that doesn't have a network connection (if you have a separate machine that does have a network connection), read replaced-url
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4027[21:42:55] <StuckMojo> geard: i bet there's a package or doc or something for that. have you thought about using um....
4028[21:43:22] <StuckMojo> there's a package that you can use to start with an installed runnign system the way you want it, and it will conver it into a cd
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4030[21:43:35] <StuckMojo> to use for either live runs or installations
4031[21:43:47] <geard> jhutchins: this isn't just for managing software but functionallity as well, IE she accidentally deleted her desktop icons etc.
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4034[21:44:13] <geard> StuckMojo: sorta like a personallized knoppix?
4035[21:44:28] <StuckMojo> mkbootcd i think it was called
4036[21:44:36] <jhutchins> !live
4037[21:44:36] <dpkg> The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from replaced-url
4038[21:44:39] <StuckMojo> but it doesn't appear to still be aournd
4039[21:45:17] <StuckMojo> oops, no wrong name
4040[21:45:32] <StuckMojo> hmmm
4041[21:45:34] <jhutchins> geard: I think any kind of relay scheme would have more potential security issues than just opening a port for ssh.
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4058[21:51:42] <StuckMojo> replaced-url
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4063[21:53:03] <StuckMojo> package might be called casper now?
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4066[21:53:31] <fmerges> hello, I upgraded to stretch and now the headphones using the jack out doesn't work... through speakers it works fine, also with a usb headphones (own audio...) any ideas on what to do? When I connect them I get to choose 'headphone' or 'headset' but neither work
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4073[21:56:20] <fmerges> any ideas?
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4075[21:58:00] <jrp93> fmerges, install linux-libre
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4078[21:59:02] <fmerges> jrp93: dont understand you. Why should I install linux libre if I have debian installed?
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4083[22:00:08] <jrp93> It's a kernel not a distro. Fixed stuff like that for me in the past.
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4091[22:02:45] <fmerges> jrp93: i would rather get it to work with the standard debian...
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4097[22:03:29] <fassl> hello, i downloaded latest gnome iso and dded it to an usb stick, i could only boot it into legacy mode not uefi, can i still install uefi grub?
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4238[23:11:43] <BCMM> fassl: when i tried, i found the installer only wanted to install grub-pc because it had been booted in BIOS mode. however, i chrooted after install and installed grub-efi that way without issues
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4246[23:15:13] <fassl> BCMM, did you run some live cd with support uefi boot and then chroot into debian?
4247[23:15:22] <fassl> *uefi boot support
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4249[23:15:50] <BCMM> fassl: can't remember what live environment i used, but i don't think it would need to support uefi boot
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4252[23:16:16] <fassl> hmm, it tells me that the system does not support uefi vars, which i guess is because it is not booted in uefi mode
4253[23:16:29] <fassl> when i want to install the efi grub
4254[23:16:38] <BCMM> tbh i don't know how efi actually works
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4257[23:17:00] <somiaj> fassl: are you trying to switch a legacy boot to efi?
4258[23:17:16] <BCMM> i vaguely assumed it was sufficient to have the right files in the right place on the EFI system partition
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4260[23:17:22] <fsp4rr0w> Hi
4261[23:17:26] <fassl> somiaj, i guess so, does that work?
4262[23:17:49] <somiaj> fassl: one would have to be using gtp partitions, if using mbr partition table that is an aditional change to switch to efi boot.
4263[23:17:54] <BCMM> fassl: it's possible i did use a live system with efi support
4264[23:18:08] <somiaj> BCMM: you need more than the right files on the efi partition, you also have to tell the efi firmware that those files are there to boot from.
4265[23:18:11] <BCMM> fassl: anyway, instructions if you end up needing them: replaced-url
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4267[23:18:22] <BCMM> somiaj: ah, that's the nvram thing right?
4268[23:18:25] <fassl> somiaj, i am just about to install on zfs root from the latest iso
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4271[23:18:44] <fassl> would need another iso which supports uefi and i can build zfs on
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4273[23:18:51] <somiaj> fassl: when I switched my legacy install to efi, I had to create a new partition table.
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4275[23:19:05] <fassl> but in the news article it says since stretch it supports uefi boot for live isos, why didnt it work for me?
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4277[23:19:28] <somiaj> fassl: partition table, not file system. zfs is just a file system. If you are not using a gtp partition table with an efi partition, you can't switch to efi boot. So this means you may need a second disk with a new partition table to switch from legacy to efi boot.
4278[23:19:31] <fassl> somiaj, i did everything in the guide, except install grub, which is the last step before booting into the installed system
4279[23:19:42] <fassl> it is gpt
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4282[23:20:16] <somiaj> provided you are using the right partition table, yo ushould be able to boot up into any efi live system and install grub-efi.
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4285[23:20:41] <somiaj> I am unsure about the live images, I dind't realize they now support efi, but traditionally if you wanted efi in debian, you wanted to use the offical installer, not the live installer
4286[23:20:46] <fassl> yes, ideally that would have been with the stretch iso i downloaded
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4291[23:21:33] <fassl> " The Debian live images now include support for UEFI booting as a new feature, too."
4292[23:21:44] <fassl> did i dd it wrongly to the usb stick?
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4295[23:22:37] <somiaj> fassl: I am unsure, since it supports both, you probably have to make sure that you actually boot into efi mode when booting. This may depend on how your firmware is configured.
4296[23:22:44] <geard> jhutchins: what security issues are you thinking?
4297[23:23:23] <fassl> somiaj, i couldn't see it in uefi mode, but probably i messed something up, i will retry it
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4300[23:23:44] <v0idpwn> Hi, again. I had some problems yesterday and couldnt install my QCA9733 driver
4301[23:23:51] <v0idpwn> What should I do, again?
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4303[23:24:27] <phenom> On boot I'm getting: WARNING: Failed to connect to lvmetad. Falling back to device scanning.
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4311[23:26:02] <phenom> I have encrypted setup, it spits that warning twice, but does allow me to boot when I enter the password. Any idea what that may be? I've found a few things online but they haven't corrected the issue.
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4319[23:27:31] <fred``> phenom : ignore it
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4330[23:29:43] <phenom> fred``, ahh
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4332[23:30:02] <fred``> :)
4333[23:30:11] <phenom> Easier said than done. But I figured that would be the "fix".
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4335[23:30:22] <fred``> i know its hard
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4338[23:32:27] <phenom> That's an ugly,, ugly ugly warning.
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4343[23:35:08] <v0idpwn> how can I install this driver? its so weird...
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4345[23:35:18] <v0idpwn> QCA9377 wireless not working
4346[23:35:30] <v0idpwn> Its a qualcomm atheros
4347[23:35:45] <annadane> is firmware-atheros installed?
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4350[23:36:50] <v0idpwn> Nope
4351[23:36:56] <v0idpwn> Fresh install
4352[23:37:38] <annadane> if you "dmesg | grep firmware" you'll probably see missing firmware
4353[23:37:49] <annadane> good first place to check
4354[23:37:59] <annadane> (as root)
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4361[23:39:26] <v0idpwn> it talks a lot about ath10k
4362[23:39:39] <v0idpwn> I downloaded it
4363[23:40:31] <annadane> you'll need contrib and non-free in your sources list, apt update, and apt install firmware-atheros, and reboot
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4370[23:45:23] <v0idpwn> Did it?
4371[23:45:25] <v0idpwn> Did it. *
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4373[23:45:34] <v0idpwn> what now?
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4376[23:46:43] <annadane> okay, well, you can check dmesg | firmware again to see if it lists any other missing firmware, but it ought to work now, in theory
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4382[23:49:30] <v0idpwn> hehe i forgot to reboot
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4391[23:52:50] <v0idpwn> Still not working
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4396[23:53:12] <annadane> okay, well, what "doesn't work" about it?
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4400[23:53:49] <v0idpwn> still failing to load ath10k firmware
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4402[23:54:05] <v0idpwn> after atheros-firmware install
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4406[23:55:52] <lru> any lxd users here?
4407[23:56:23] <lru> I'm trying to get a cryptsetup disk mounted inside a lxd container, and so far every path is blocked
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4409[23:56:41] <lru> even just lvm inside I can't seem to manage
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