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82[00:59:24] <somiaj> might depend on use case, I use xterm.
uxterm is just a wrapper that changes the class and adds some utf-8
options. Though xterm should be fully utf-8 complient without the
wrapper these days.
83[01:01:18] <oxek> that's exactly what confuses me
84[01:01:26] <oxek> I thought xterm on its own is already utf8
87[01:02:00] <somiaj> seems there are some small differences,
you can read the manpage on the -u8 option. Seems it really
isn't suggested anymore. One thing I noticed was it enables
widecharacters, which I have had issues with on some software.
89[01:02:34] <oxek> -u8 option is not suggested anymore or
uxterm is not suggested anymore? I'll read the manpage.
90[01:03:20] <pfred1> I use rxvt
91[01:03:32] <pfred1> or is is urxvt?
92[01:03:33] <somiaj> the man page talks about 'we
recommend' vs what is suggested. uxterm forces utf-8 and some
other things with it, xterm uses the systems locale. If you are
using a utf-8 local, xterm will then have utf-8 support
93[01:03:55] <pfred1> it is urxvt!
94[01:04:03] <oxek> I'm using a weird locale, C.UTF-8
95[01:04:06] <somiaj> I think uxterm was more for the days that
utf-8 wasn't the default local on systems.
108[01:08:20] <somiaj> oxek: use the terminal that suits your
needs. Between xterm and uxterm, I would just use xterm unless you
have a sepcifc use case for uxterm. Xterm will use your system
locale and have utf-8 support.
109[01:08:43] <somiaj> there are plenty of other options
depending on what features/use you have.
111[01:10:36] <oxek> somiaj: I just want something simple,
because I run tmux which already has all the fancy features I
need... so I need a simple terminal for tmux.
112[01:10:58] <oxek> and I am not feeling brave enough yet to
deal with hunting down patches for st to get the functionality I
need
113[01:11:12] <oxek> so I was told xterm is the next one to try
115[01:12:01] <somiaj> I use xterm, which is simple. urxvt is
simple (which is a termal long aog written by the autor of fvwm,
robter nation)
116[01:12:23] <somiaj> I personally have enver need any features
of rxvt, urxvt, but the users of that terminal seem to enjoy it.
117[01:12:39] <somiaj> arg, s/simple//
118[01:14:06] <oxek> somiaj: do you have a well commented config
file for xterm that you could share? Or a link to some good config
file that would teach me the most common (and less common) options
that people change?
119[01:14:20] <somiaj> I use the default options
120[01:14:49] <oxek> I already found out I need to add
'XTerm.termName: xterm-256color' to the default options
122[01:15:15] <oxek> so that's currently the only entry in
my ~/.Xresources
123[01:15:16] <somiaj> actually this is what I use
replaced-url
124[01:15:54] <oxek> thanks, I'll study it
125[01:15:59] <CyberManifest> so I installed lightdm and bspwm
and these dot files
replaced-url
126[01:16:04] <somiaj> I don't need the additional colors
personally, mostly just font stuff, and the some options to allow
xterm + tmux mouse to work a bit better for copy/paste
136[01:20:49] <somiaj> you didn't listen to what I said,
display managers will parse different files when configuring the
shell than logging into a tty, that wiki explains how debian
configures things
137[01:21:05] <somiaj> so if you are expreincing a difference it
is due to the shell and how stuff is parsed
193[01:40:40] <somiaj> what is out of date about that document?
If you want to do some minmial setup, you are going to have to take
the time to read and understand docs to configure it like you want
to.
194[01:40:53] <zamnedix> okay fine im bored ill look at the
dotfiles
195[01:41:16] <CyberManifest> somiaj: or learn by example, I
don't have the greatest reading comprehension
196[01:41:17] <somiaj> CyberManifest: also is your shell bash?
have you put custom stuff in .bashrc or .profile that you want
parsed when you log into your system?
197[01:41:32] <CyberManifest> somiaj: my shell is zsh
199[01:42:09] <somiaj> have you put stuff in your .profile that
is read by zsh, I'm not that faimilar with zsh, but can you
identify what in your shell isn't loading properly, you can
then add it to .xsessionrc as mentioned in the wiki
200[01:42:10] <CyberManifest> somiaj: yes .zshrc .zprofile and
.zshenv all should be parsed
202[01:42:27] <zamnedix> geez man youre going on about security
vulnerabilities in my cpu and youre just copying ALL these files
without knowing what they are doing?
203[01:42:44] <themill> Does lightdm actually start a login
shell?
204[01:43:07] <CyberManifest> somiaj: we've already been
over this, I told you already... for things like sxhkd and urxvt
208[01:43:49] <somiaj> things like? What about them, do you want
urxvt to auto start, or is the shell it is loading missing
enviroment variables you have configured elsewhere?
209[01:44:22] <CyberManifest> themill: lightdm shows a login
window and you can select desktop sessions
210[01:44:33] <themill> CyberManifest: that is not the same
thing
215[01:45:24] <CyberManifest> themill: same thing as what?
216[01:45:32] <themill> a login shell
217[01:45:36] <devtty> ive been trying to get mpv to not drop
most frames on output on my t420 after switching back from a de to a
wm and i have no clue what is going on or where to start
222[01:46:17] <themill> CyberManifest: you can drop the "do
you not understand them" crap any time you want -- you
don't know what a login shell is in unix and you don't
read what people are writing.
223[01:46:36] <CyberManifest> themill: you don't
224[01:46:44] <themill> *sigh*
225[01:46:45] <CyberManifest> themill: why you were asking
226[01:47:19] <CyberManifest> themill: how could I respond if I
wasn't reading what people are writing ?
227[01:47:29] <somiaj> devtty: could it be a gpu issue? You can
check the output of 'xvinfo', 'glxinfo', and
maybe your Xorg.0.log file, see if you are loading gpu drivers
correctly or just using software rendering.
228[01:47:29] <CyberManifest> themill: your assumptions are
baseless
229[01:48:04] <themill> CyberManifest: if you want help, please
cooperate and drop the tedious attitude you're showing to
everyone who is volunteering their time to help you
230[01:49:05] <CyberManifest> themill volunteering ignorance and
contentiousness and arogence I will not compromise for
231[01:49:11] <somiaj> CyberManifest: In linux, a 'login
shell', 'interactive shell', and 'xsession'
will all parse a different set of 'dot files', which is
why the login shell you are using from tty1, and the xsession you
are using from lightdm are different.
233[01:49:34] <themill> CyberManifest: have you spent 2 min
looking up what a login shell is and verifying that lightdm actually
creates one?
234[01:49:52] <somiaj> so you need to first understand this and
what files are parsed using the method you want, and then identify
what isn't being parsed, and update your configuration files
accordenly
235[01:50:07] <CyberManifest> somiaj: yes but those dot files
are configured to call the other dot files
243[01:51:14] <CyberManifest> somiaj: I could uninstall lightdm
and solve everything
244[01:51:15] <somiaj> devtty: appears you are using the intel
gpu, some intel cards have better preofrmance with non-free firmware
in the firmware-misc-nonfree package.
248[01:52:20] <CyberManifest> my intent is for lightdm to use
the same bspwm that zsh does from TTY
249[01:52:54] <somiaj> devtty: well you appear to be using
sandybridge, which I don't think needs additional firmware.
Everything seems to be in order from those output (nothing looks off
to me)
250[01:53:13] <somiaj> devtty: does this frame dropping work on
lots of different video files, or just certain ones?
251[01:53:20] <themill> CyberManifest: so you need it to start a
login shell (or ensure that it otherwise sources the zshrc)
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256[01:54:09] <devtty> its everything and videos with vp9 tend
to be worse though
257[01:54:19] <somiaj> devtty: Also just confirming I understood
you correctly, it worked with a window manager but isn't
working with a DE? How much memeory do you have?
268[01:57:01] <devtty> ive been running from terminal and i have
been getting multiple different messages/warnings ranging from vp9
not supported to warnings about audio/video desync
269[01:57:10] <devtty> been trying a bunch of things
270[01:58:09] <CyberManifest> IS THIS WHAT You all are wanting /
asking about:
replaced-url
281[02:02:40] <somiaj> devtty: no, it sounds like the issue is
more internal to mpv than xorg, just was double checking things.
I'm unsure what mpv could be missing to not have support for
vp9 and the other vidoes you see, yet work in a window manager.
296[02:08:32] <somiaj> first I don't see your .xsession
there, second the location for the file is ~/.xsession not
~/.config/X11/.xsession
297[02:09:05] <somiaj> also why does that say your OS:
Gentoo......
298[02:09:11] <alexrelis[m]> I installed sudo on my machine,
added my normal user to the sudo group, disabled to root account,
and logged out and logged back in. Now when I try to use sudo, I get
this error:
299[02:09:11] <alexrelis[m]> `sudo: unable to resolve host
alex-pc: Name or service not known`
300[02:09:11] <alexrelis[m]> I'm also having another
strange error. When I try to run a command with sudo, sudo says my
user is not in the sudoers file. But when I run `su - alex` and
login to my regular user account and then use sudo, it works. I want
to reboot, but I'm afraid if I reboot I won't be able to
login as root anymore.
305[02:10:16] <somiaj> alexrelis[m]: add alex-pc to /etc/hosts
to get rid of the unable to resolve issue. When you type
'groups' do you see yourself in the sudo group? Did you
fully logout of xorg and back in?
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307[02:10:25] <CyberManifest> somiaj: also do you see:
"exec bspwm" line 12 in
replaced-url
308[02:10:36] <somiaj> alexrelis[m]: you could just append
apex-pc to 127.0.0.1 which is localhost or point it at your ip.
311[02:11:06] <CyberManifest> somiaj: it doesn't say my OS
is Gentoo, I'm on debian
312[02:12:47] <somiaj> so those aren't your dotfiles on
github? I'm just going by the README.md. Anyways, I've
pointed you to how debian's default session should be loading
things, but configurations can change this.
313[02:13:52] <CyberManifest> somiaj: right, I realize how
debian's default sessions SHOULD load things, and I understand
that configurations can change this, but I don't understand why
it isn't working as intended
314[02:14:19] <somiaj> but it appears the dot files you have
downloaded from github are for gentoo, and you may have to adjust
them.
315[02:14:39] <CyberManifest> somiaj: they have been adjusted
316[02:14:51] <CyberManifest> somiaj: for one I had to replace
all instances of "raj"
317[02:15:29] <alexrelis[m]> somiaj: I see my username in the
sudo group. I did log out of my Xorg session and log back in. But
from the looks of it I am able to sudo in a tty session so I think
I'm in the clear.
318[02:15:53] <alexrelis[m]> Oh, and I did the /etc/hosts thing.
Thank you. I'm not sure why it wasn't the correct host
name. Thank you very much.
338[02:30:05] <somiaj> CyberManifest: you can start debugging
things, try to put 'exec urxvt' in your ~/.xsession file
and then use the 'default' session from light dm, if uxrvt
loads, it is parsing just like the wiki says.
339[02:30:18] <CyberManifest> somiaj: no
340[02:30:43] <somiaj> alexrelis[m]: glaod you got it worked
out. Yea you sometimes have to log completly out to get groups to
update, but seems everything is in order?
341[02:30:55] <somiaj> devtty: vo=xv is worse then vo=gpu?
342[02:31:14] <somiaj> devtty: You are using debian stable, and
mpv and all the depends and likes are installed from stable?
343[02:33:01] *** semeion_ is now known as mnemonic
349[02:34:59] <somiaj> then you have reconfigured things
somehow, just installed lightdm, and it reads .xsession just like
the wiki said it would. You have chosed 'default Xsession'
from the session menu in lightdm?
362[02:37:03] <pfred1> CyberManifest like i said .xsession ->
.xinitrc
363[02:37:09] <somiaj> devtty: seems that v9 support is only for
newer video cards, could it be you have somewho configured mpv to
use a feature your card doesn't support?
375[02:39:26] <CyberManifest> pfred1: yes that's what I
have for TTY1, but I prefered to use a DM
376[02:39:45] <pfred1> CyberManifest why? What's a DM do
for you?
377[02:39:58] <CyberManifest> pfred1: allows me to use VNC
378[02:40:36] <devtty> noticed something i didnt before, all
videos have the error [ffmpeg] NULL: Invalid NAL unit size and
[ffmpeg] NULL: missing picture in access unit with size after
exiting
379[02:40:43] <pfred1> CyberManifest you can do remote off the
CLI
380[02:41:10] <CyberManifest> pfred1: don't think so
381[02:41:23] <pfred1> CyberManifest I don'
382[02:41:23] <CyberManifest> pfred1: that's a side point,
quit trying to make me not use lightdm
383[02:41:34] <pfred1> CyberManifest I don't think what yo
uthink really matters
384[02:41:53] <CyberManifest> it matters to me
385[02:42:04] <pfred1> CyberManifest that it does
386[02:42:13] <somiaj> devtty: I'm talking about mpv config
files, I don't know where they are stored.
659[07:06:26] <CyberManifest> JUST FYI, I GOT IT FIXED: so I
modified /usr/share/xsession/bspwm.desktop where the line Exec=bspwm
... I changed to Exec=$HOME/.config/X11/xinitrc
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667[07:09:59] <somiaj> instead you should make a local copy of
that .desktop file, or learn to do things with how debian is setup,
and use ~/.xsession with a default session.
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701[07:28:06] <somiaj> in general you should never have to edit
a file owned by a package, (true for .desktop files, systemd unit
files, and so on), but make a local copy in /etc or $HOME. The exact
location depends on the file in question.
823[09:37:23] <MESSIAH> Hi. How to install SSL cert on Debian 10
for wildcard website. I tried acme.sh but for wildcard domain is
required DNS API - my server don't have access to API for
change DNS
834[09:47:07] <bolt> MESSIAH: those actions also have no
relation to DNS...
835[09:48:05] <MESSIAH> Why Letsencrypt required DNS changing?
It's security reason?
836[09:48:10] <jelly> either buy a wildcard cert, or use a
LetsEncrypt client to issue separate certs for every site and app
you have
837[09:48:18] <bolt> MESSIAH: Perhaps consider switching DNS
provider? Your domain's DNS doesn't have to be the same
company that acts as your domain registrar or your VM host
839[09:49:16] <MESSIAH> My registrar is OVH and hosting is a
small company
840[09:49:17] <bolt> MESSIAH: Changing your DNS is one of the
ways you can prove you have complete control over the domain and
what it's allowed to point to. Changing a single webside on a
subdomain does not. That you can put a file on foo.example.com in no
way proves you control bar.example.com, or baz.example.com which
hasn't even been made yet.
842[09:50:29] <bolt> MESSIAH: just search for "ovh dns api
letsencrypt" or any similar combination of keywords
843[09:50:35] <jelly> your DNS provider seems to have an API to
set and update DNS records automatically, and the above is a plugin
for a different LE client
1036[13:46:47] <Sepultura> what would a Linux Office use?
1037[13:46:52] <Sepultura> a pure Linux office
1038[13:48:37] <jelly> FreeIPA ?
1039[13:49:32] <jelly> it depends on which part of AD you need to
replace, is it kerberos SSO, user management, I don't know
whether there's anything like GPOs (unless you maybe count
sudoers)
1042[13:51:45] <jelly> you can also have actual AD running on
Samba4, but you need Windows tools to manage it, probably
1043[13:53:42] <themill> probably ldap with some sort of clicky
frontend on it (gosa or lemonldap come to mind). Most people
generally end up running away screaming when then have to deal with
ldap, but that's also true of AD...
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1045[13:54:35] <Johann> Sepultura: there is no eral pendent to
active directory for linux, it would be a collection of tools
depending on what you are trying to achieve
1046[13:54:42] <Johann> s/eral/real
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1077[14:40:45] <Johann> Sepultura: ldap, plus nfs for centralized
home for example, byt there is no all in one solution as AD is
1078[14:41:04] <Johann> at leaest, not that I know but there s a
lot ii don't know :)
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1080[14:42:31] <jelly> profiles cached to local disk would be
nice instead of using homes from nfs directly
1081[14:43:40] <Johann> "can log on every offiice pc",
if people switch computer often having to recreate preferences and
lose files each time is not very useable, again, it all depends on
what's the goal.
1083[14:47:55] <johndoe> what's a simple way of running an
https server just serving the contents of the current directory
(don't care about security, just prototyping stuff)
1090[14:50:40] <H4ndy> https is a bit difficult for local
deployment
1091[14:50:58] <H4ndy> you need to handle self-signed certs on
server and client side
1092[14:51:10] <nevivurn> If your local machine is available, has
a domain pointing to it and all, then I'd set up a simple
"proper" https server and change its configuration to
forward to some local server (python -m http.server) when needed.
1095[14:55:05] <hwm4rgs> johndoe: I like using caddy for things
like that. It generates its own (untrusted) certificates
automatically, and serves cwd by default.
1167[16:00:03] <ratrace> MESSIAH: you'll have to rephrase,
your question is unclear.
1168[16:01:20] <MESSIAH> OK I need controlling DNS in OVH not in
host server. Actually if I need change or add DNS entry then I need
do that in my hosting provider
1170[16:03:43] <jelly> ratrace, this started in the morning when
they wanted to set up a wildcard LetsEncrypt cert, but LE only
allowed that over DNS-01 protocol
1174[16:05:35] <ratrace> MESSIAH: still not sure what you're
asking, but in short: to manage a "zone" (add remove A,
AAAA, MX, CNAME, PTR, ... records), you need a
"nameserver" (eg. bind9 on Debian). You can host that
anyhwere you want. You must point at it through "NS"
records of your zone's (domain's) registrar.
1175[16:06:07] <ratrace> So if this is about LE and DNS-01, you
need to control the NS server for your zone in such a way that you
can integrate it with your LE client
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1179[16:07:04] <ratrace> IF perchance you're using your
registrar's NS to manage resource records (A, AAAA, ....) the
you need to check if that registrar allows an API access, and
integrate that with your LE.
1188[16:11:24] <ratrace> MESSIAH: I don't understand this:
"my hosting can't" ... can't what? if
that's Debian under your control, then you need to integrate
your client with OVH API somehow. If it's not.... then
how's this question relevant to #debian?
1189[16:11:40] <MESSIAH> VPS + SolusVM client panel - in this
panel I can manage my DNS
1209[16:18:03] <ratrace> I think there's some
misunderstanding here. let's forget about solus and your
hosting company. you can update your LE certs fromy our home
computer as long as you have direct control of the domain's NS
server
1210[16:18:11] <ratrace> direct or through API
1211[16:18:39] <jelly> if NS is pointing to your vps, and you
have root access, you should be able to run the ss command as root,
and find out which process provides the DNS service
1212[16:19:13] <MESSIAH> jelly this command return IP address
1213[16:19:18] <ratrace> I understood that OVH is the NS since
its API was mentioned......
1214[16:19:22] <ratrace> *has the NS
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1216[16:19:38] <jelly> MESSIAH, it returns more than just an IP
address. Show the complete first line
1234[16:22:34] <MESSIAH> jelly Yes I install it manually time ago
1235[16:23:06] <jelly> you should be able to configure bind9 to
use "nsupdate" command line to change and add DNS records.
1236[16:23:09] <ratrace> this is very much irrelevant unless that
bind server is _the_ server that services the NS for the zone in
question
1237[16:23:45] <ratrace> and if it is installed
"manually" some time ago, and the user has to ask these
questions, I'm betting a skag's butt that's not the
NS for the zone, UNLESS the zone ain't even set up yet
1250[16:27:00] <jelly> and see if that works regardless of the
control panel
1251[16:27:03] <ratrace> MESSIAH: then you will have to consult
SolusVM manuals to see how to update DNS zones programmatically, OR
even how to integrate with a LE client
1253[16:28:02] <ratrace> jelly: I'm surprised you're
pushing that solution, while it's clear that the bind
installation is not the zone's NS; SolusVM on the host side
(which I understand is hosting company, so not under MESSIAH's
control) is.
1254[16:28:25] <MESSIAH> ratrace SolusVM Client Panel API allow
you just simple function - reboot, shut down, status but can't
change DNS by API
1255[16:28:28] <jelly> SolusVM is a control panel software
1256[16:28:31] <ratrace> unless MESSIAH is giving wrong info all
this time. perhaps if we knew the zone, we could check the NS
ourselves, and go from there.
1257[16:28:47] <jelly> and it's used just for basic VM
controls IIRC
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1259[16:29:02] <ratrace> jelly: "< MESSIAH> I
don't know - I don't have control full root. I have only
root in Debian OS on this server"
1260[16:29:29] <jelly> <MESSIAH> jelly
vps1.slaskdatacenter.com <jelly> okay, and do you have root on
that machine <MESSIAH> Yes
1261[16:29:35] <jelly> now what :-)
1262[16:29:40] <ratrace> heh.... contradictory information :)
1263[16:30:05] <ratrace> so I bet that hostname is NOT under
MESSIAH's control
1264[16:30:36] <ratrace> ie, that's the hosting company,
that owns the SolusVM installation, and MESSIAH only rents a guest
OS there
1265[16:30:37] <jelly> it would be easier to help if you did not
hide the domain name and the IP, MESSIAH
1266[16:31:04] <MESSIAH> ratrace I can't controll this
hostname vps1.slaskdatacenter.com
1267[16:31:25] <jelly> ratrace, anything named
"vps1.foo" sounds like the guest vps itself, and
that's where NS records point to supposedly
1268[16:31:49] <ratrace> jelly: but slaskdatacenter.com is a
hosting company
1269[16:32:15] <jelly> MESSIAH, you don't have to control
how the machine is called; it's good enough if NS record points
to a machine where you have root.
1270[16:32:21] <ratrace> so red herrings fest aside..... back to
square one. MESSIAH: do you have the ability to programmatically
control the zone for your domain?
1271[16:32:37] <ratrace> forget solus, forget manually inputting
TXT records anywhre. do you have an API for that, or a config file?
1272[16:32:38] <MESSIAH> ratrace yes correct that's why I
have SolusVM Client Panel
1273[16:32:38] <jelly> ratrace, that's too highlevel for
them to answer
1274[16:32:59] <ratrace> jelly: thats the answer they will HAVE
to understand and provide if they want LE automation
1275[16:33:06] <jelly> and "nsupdate" CLI _is_ an api.
:-)
1276[16:33:30] <ratrace> yes but it assumes root control over an
instance ov Bind. or.... rndc delegate permissionb blah blah... you
get the gist
1277[16:33:46] <MESSIAH> ratrace nope I don't have API for
changing DNS
1278[16:33:52] <jelly> (still remains to be seen if the NS really
points to MESSIAH's own VPS, or someplace else)
1279[16:34:24] <ratrace> MESSIAH: then there's nothing you
can do EXCEPT run your own NS somewhere, for your domain, or rent a
service that also provides an API
1280[16:34:38] <jelly> MESSIAH, can you pastebin actual domain
name and full outputs of dig ... and ss ...
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1282[16:35:07] <jelly> they might already be running their own NS
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1284[16:35:35] <MESSIAH> ratrace faster if I do automation script
with login to SolusVM Panel and add TXT in DNS
1285[16:35:58] <jelly> that's an option as well.
1286[16:36:03] <ratrace> MESSIAH: perhaps try offer the info
jelly requested? I guess it's possible you control the NS
without knowing
1287[16:36:10] <jelly> "automation script with login to
SolusVM Panel and add TXT in DNS" = API
1288[16:36:13] <ratrace> (though I doubt that)
1289[16:36:31] <MESSIAH> How I can check this?
1290[16:36:35] <ratrace> there's no problem a few carefully
placed curl queries can't solve :)))
1291[16:36:59] <jelly> MESSIAH, by figuring out if NS points to
the VPS under your full control.
1292[16:37:13] <jelly> start by showing us ACTUAL OUTPUT
1293[16:37:20] <MESSIAH> jelly any specific command for that?
1294[16:37:34] <ratrace> the dig one
1295[16:37:43] <jelly> the dig ... and ss ... commands you ran
already
1296[16:38:01] <jelly> ss will show which IPs bind is... binding
to
1305[16:41:40] <jelly> maybe it's not safe. But also, maybe
you don't want free help.
1306[16:42:24] <jelly> if you feel unsafe I can provide help in
private, for 90 eur/hour
1307[16:42:48] <jelly> maybe ratrace is cheaper
1308[16:43:25] <jelly> but if you want free help in public, then
please provide the info needed to get best free help possible
1309[16:44:33] <jelly> unless your VPS has more than one IP, it
seems ratrace's guess was right and you DO NOT have NS records
pointing to your own VPS
1323[16:46:39] <jelly> ratrace, don't envy your costs of
living at all
1324[16:46:52] <ratrace> this is actually very very simple. to
automate LE certificates, you **MUST** have control of your
zone's NS server. that's all. if you don't, make it
so you do. run your own, or rent a service that allows API based
zone modification.
1328[16:48:17] <ratrace> and we can help here with setting up an
instance of bind9 should you decide to run your own NS. debugging
solusvm or third party APIs really isn't #debian.
1329[16:48:28] <MESSIAH> ratrace or add TXT record every 90 days
:)
1330[16:48:51] <ratrace> MESSIAH: frankly I don't know if
that's possible at all, since LE requires real time
challenge-response
1331[16:48:55] <jelly> right, but the whole idea is to set and
forget :-)
1332[16:49:09] <jelly> ratrace, it's not _that_ real
1333[16:49:09] <ratrace> maybe DNS-01 allows it, I don't
know, I've used only HTTP based LE validation
1354[16:54:54] <MESSIAH> jelly Question has been sent 6 months
ago without response )
1355[16:55:05] <jelly> if they do not, you'll have to invent
one (write automation to click on SolusVM yourself) or change DNS
provider
1356[16:55:14] <jelly> fun
1357[16:55:30] <MESSIAH> Yeah sounds legit
1358[16:55:34] <ratrace> MESSIAH: you can use _any_ provider for
your domain, doesn't have to be your hosting company or your
registrar, it can be completely something else
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1387[17:04:22] <ratrace> I think you should learn the basics, how
DNS works, what are nameservers, how DNS resolution works,
registrars, etc.... before you embark in hosting your own public
service(s)
1388[17:04:32] <jelly> change NS (back?) to OVH, and make sure
your other records on the OVH db point to the same place as now
1389[17:04:53] <unborn> ratrace: exactly what I suggested to
him..
1390[17:05:21] <ratrace> common sense.
1391[17:05:47] <unborn> well not just basics. if you going to
host on your own you need to know properly - some stuff do click in
common but if you know only really some basics.. meh
1400[17:10:34] <unborn> MESSIAH: I do indeed host my server from
home, yes badly on single residential IP and link.. have let's
encrypt running etc.. and its perfectly doable once you know and do
understand what are you doing. I like jellys proposal of 90 eurs/ph.
Best way is to learn dns on your own, documentation like this - you
possibly wont even find as dns is huge topic on its own. As I said
once you understand how it all works, then have look briefly of
let's encrypt
1401[17:10:34] <unborn> and acme challenge and it will give you
sense.
1408[17:12:56] <jelly> MESSIAH, no idea; in general, you would
copy all the entries from your current DNS provider back to the
registrar DNS forms, then reconfigure the domain at your registrar
to use the registrar's DNS services again. Before doing all
that make doubly sure you can indeed use OVH API with their free DNS
service.
1418[17:23:57] <unborn> - also make backup of all entries and I
just guess cloudflare have pretty instant times of updates on dns -
however you might wait some time to get new entries around the
globe.. etc.. you know.
1438[17:43:50] <shashdisco> I've got myself some old
debin/control files, and i'm wondering about the "< is
deprecated"... should I replace it with < or <= ?
1458[17:58:48] <dka> To use my Synology NAS to Wake on LAN (WOL)
a linux debian server, 1) do I need a dedicated ethernet card for it
connected between the NAS and the server ? 2) do I need to configure
anything on the debian server ? 3) does the cable need a crossover
cable ?
1463[18:01:18] <sney> 1) no, WoL works on a regular switched
network 2) yes, in the ethernet card's firmware. usually ctrl-s
or similar after POST, or somewhere in the EFI, as well as in
/etc/network/interfaces; see
replaced-url
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1497[18:32:06] <sney> dka: google tells me those are aggregated
ports, so it doesn't matter which one you use, just connect the
nas to your network normally and you will be able to use whatever
WoL it supports
1576[19:39:38] <zapatista> Hey there!... I did something stupid.
I was trying to install nvidia driver. I removed nouveau driver,
blacklisted it and updated kernel issuing update-initramfs -u
command.
1577[19:40:04] <zapatista> When I rebooted surprise suprise there
is no video output after the initial boot menu.
1583[19:41:00] <zapatista> I believe there is no video driver
installed. Is there a method to temporarily load/install a legacy
video driver during the boot?
1584[19:44:09] <ratrace> zapatista: how did you blacklist nouveau
1598[19:47:39] <ratrace> btw.... installing nvidia-driver _does_
that already, there's no need to be messin' with manual
blacklists
1599[19:47:54] <greycat> There's a pretty good chance you
could get normal console interaction if you just boot with
multi-user.target
1600[19:48:14] <greycat> which is roughly equivalent to "run
level 2 on red hat", no display manager
1601[19:48:22] <zapatista> But the nvidia driver did not do the
black list thing in my case.
1602[19:50:41] <ratrace> zapatista: it should've if you
installed the regular debian package
1603[19:51:32] <zapatista> I found a *.run file on Nvidia server
and that thing did not black listed nor installed the driver.
1604[19:51:46] <zapatista> Maybe I should use the packages as you
said.
1605[19:52:18] <ratrace> as I said, the regular debian package
does all the work. if you installed from third party .run file, you
messed it up, and that wouldn't add any modprobe.d blacklists,
no
1606[19:54:03] <zapatista> Now how do you suggest I should act.
The disks are encrypted LVM and I cannot reach them to unloack them
since I cannot see them on the screen.
1607[19:54:10] <zapatista> Now I am locked out of the system.
1610[19:55:15] <ratrace> zapatista: try getting into
multi-user.target as greycat suggested. add
systemd.unit=multi-user.target to the kernel command line via grub,
boot, then remove the modprobe.d blacklist, update-initramfs -u for
good measure
1611[19:55:28] <ratrace> something tells me that should be enough
as the driver is not needed for the console
1612[19:55:57] <zapatista> I shall try it.
1613[19:56:52] <ratrace> when you reboot back into normal system
(with nouveau), the .run file should have an uninstall action or
something that _should_ in theory clean out the mess it caused. then
enable the non-free repo and install nvidia-driver package
1614[19:56:59] <shtrb> zapatista, you should never use .run
files.
1615[19:57:14] <sney> the 'nvidia-installer-cleanup'
package in debian cleans up the nvidia installer's mess.
1616[19:57:36] <sney> iirc it's a recommend for
nvidia-driver so it'll come in regardless/automatically
1630[20:12:53] <yanmaani> If you put in say 20 GB of RAM and let
the kernel use that for cache, will your system be any slower than
if you manually mount / as ramdisk?
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1635[20:13:47] <yanmaani> don't have that much ram, just
curious
1636[20:14:11] <yanmaani> I imagine boot would be faster? Or will
it preload everything it can into cache before first use?
1637[20:14:29] <greycat> Just get an SSD.
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1639[20:14:50] <shtrb> yanmaani, there is a benifit to use with
zram , but if you can you better get an ssd
1640[20:14:57] <yanmaani> Isn't SSD slower?
1641[20:15:00] <sney> ram is ram, and linux has always been good
at caching any kind of i/o. it's hard to be sure what would
happen in theory, but I don't think either approach would be
significantly better than the other
1646[20:17:24] <greycat> The notion of reading the entire file
system into a RAM disk at boot, rather than just letting the kernel
cache everything after it's actually used once, is kinda silly.
That's why nobody does it.
1647[20:18:30] <greycat> you're just delaying boot to read
the stuff that'll *never* be used, like the bulgarian
translation of the emacs documentation
1648[20:19:10] <greycat> (substitute whatever other language, if
you actually have Bulgarian users)
1651[20:21:54] <sney> my hypervisor loads its whole self into ram
and runs from there. that's a fairly specialized use though.
for a regular computer, if you want a fast disk, just get a fast
disk. I think nvmes are the current hotness for that.
1681[20:33:24] <greycat> Well, not the mint part. I assumed it
was a pirated Windows image.
1682[20:33:31] <quiznilo> heh no
1683[20:33:35] <quiznilo> I'm deleting windows
1684[20:33:38] <sney> mint is a derivative, so chances are good
that their images are hybrid like debian's, but you'd have
to ask them. we have no idea.
1685[20:33:39] <greycat> Go ask the mint support people how to
write the mint installer to your hardware.
1688[20:37:26] <quiznilo> I was just curious because it looked
like unetbootin was abandoned on Debian
1689[20:37:28] <ratrace> dd, cp, pv, hell even cat will do!
1690[20:37:50] <dvs> that's 1337!
1691[20:37:54] <quiznilo> yeah
1692[20:38:09] <sney> unetbootin is for converting optical isos
to work with flash memory. debian (and apparently some derivative)
isos don't need to be converted, so unetbootin is unnecessary
1693[20:38:15] <quiznilo> I don't do this a lot, I have to
keep reading how to do it every other year or so
1748[21:34:27] <nickgaw> Hi, How can I setup apt tools to always
run weith the -q option and then after downloading dpkgs and
installing them automatically clean up the cache as apt.conf manual
page does not really help?
1755[21:37:22] <greycat> the man page says "Configuration
Item: quiet" so there should be a way to insert that somewhere
in the apt.conf* files, but good luck finding the documentation
that's actually human-readable
1763[21:42:08] <nickgaw> That is my point so automatically apt
will automatically clean up archives once they are installed what
about an option for everytime it runs doing an apt update to update
the package cache can this be done??
1764[21:42:34] <greycat> ... what? you want to delete the *lists*
that you got from "apt update"? no.
1765[21:42:43] <greycat> that would be ridiculous
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1767[21:42:54] <nickgaw> I added that option and now no
percentages hapeen when I did an apt update is that what should
happen with the quiet option?
1777[21:49:35] <zapatista> I think there is more to it in my
problem. Even if I add multi-user option to boot string, I still
have no video output after the boot menu. Now I use a live cd to
manually mount encrypted lvm volumes and and copy the home directory
to another disk for good measure and shall remove the blacklist from
the /etc/ folder.
1778[21:50:20] <greycat> how about with init=/bin/bash ?
1779[21:50:54] <zapatista> did not try it because you said
"nuke".
1780[21:51:01] <zapatista> Yes I am a chicken shit.
1783[21:51:15] <dpkg> For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit
the kernel setting in the grub command line (add
'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your
root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4)
'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6)
'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1)
'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift
while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux
init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
1784[21:51:22] <greycat> Basically that, just without the
"passwd" stuff.
1785[21:52:17] <zapatista> I know. But I shall backup everything
because I am doing stupid things nowadays.
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1876[23:32:36] <dka> I have a USB USDPA 7.2Mbps Wireless Data
Card that accept my sim card, I want to use with linux debian to
send SMS, where should I start please?
1890[23:44:55] <ws2k3> im having a pretty weird issue. the mount
command returns nothing... just an emty newline
1891[23:47:09] <greycat> the bot doesn't have factoids for
either one... I suspect they are not very popular
1892[23:47:54] <nvz> dka: if its showing up as a mass storage
device its probably one of those things that is multifunction which
means you need some way to make it change to the right function
first
1894[23:48:28] <nvz> because one thing I'm sure of you
can't send SMS with a mass storage device
1895[23:49:26] <n4dir> ws2k3: assuming i understand what you are
saying: that is what mount does if it completed with success
1896[23:49:28] <nvz> ,file bin/usb_modeswitch
1897[23:49:32] <judd> Search for bin/usb_modeswitch in
buster/amd64: usb-modeswitch: usr/sbin/usb_modeswitch
1898[23:49:42] <n4dir> and many tools do it like that
1899[23:49:53] <nvz> n4dir: no its not, the mount command without
arguments shows roughly the equiv of /etc/mtab
1900[23:50:02] <ws2k3> n4dir: i would expect it to show all
mounted file systems
1901[23:50:22] <n4dir> ah. as i said: assuming i understand what
you say
1902[23:50:49] <nvz> dka: first thing I'd do is install
usb-modeswitch and see if you can get that modem to act like a modem
1903[23:52:42] <nvz> dka: postings as recent as 2.5 years ago
many users had issues just getting it to switch modes, but after you
get it to switch modes it should show up like a serial modem, then
you gotta figure out the dialing sequence and will need something
like wvdial or such
1904[23:54:17] <dka> ok
1905[23:54:23] <dka> can I see the post you are looking at?
1906[23:54:49] <nvz> I just googled that pciid you gave and the
word linux, I haven't really looked at any of the results..
only the dates :P
1907[23:55:04] <nvz> I've used such devices before
they're kinda a PITA
1908[23:56:29] <nvz> the results of googling "05c6:1000
linux" are only really useful if usb_modswitch from
usb-modswitch doesnt work out of the box
1909[23:56:47] <nvz> if modeswitching works, then you should get
a whole new usbid for the device
1910[23:56:54] <nvz> and THAT is the device id you wanna look up
1911[23:57:28] <nvz> the device you got in there now is never
going to work because its a thumbdrive, not a 3G/4G modem