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19 [00:08:31] <Redwulf> hello
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23 [00:09:01] <Redwulf> does anyone here know why theres a
blinking cursor on the left top of my screen on my debian device??
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36 [00:25:49] <simulant_> Hi can anyone please help me - someone
has been helping me in ##linux as I can't boot my system. Stuck
with ALERT uuid does not exist and i've booted into the debian
liveusb, I'm running a raid1 and can assemble md0 no problem
which is the root partition. The UUID shows up and looks to match
the ALERT so I'm really stuck what to do
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39 [00:26:31] <simulant_> the user in ##linux suggested someone
here could help and guide me to possible try chroot in and
regenerate the initramfs
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41 [00:26:44] <simulant_> any help really appreciated
42 [00:26:56] <annadane> simulant_, you're running debian,
i assume
43 [00:27:06] <annadane> 9?
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47 [00:29:38] <simulant_> annadane: yes that's right sorry
48 [00:30:01] <simulant_> annadane: Jessie
49 [00:30:19] <simulant_> anantshri: with Raid1 for a server, it
was working great. Must of done some updates maybe and on the last
reboot I just now get that error/stuck at initramfs
50 [00:30:34] <annadane> okay so jessie as the base and
currently on a live image
51 [00:31:19] <simulant_> annadane: yes Debian 8.9 I think - yes
I just booted the original usb installer I used, it's brought
me to a # prompt with limited commands but does have mdadm and blkid
and things
52 [00:31:41] <simulant_> annadane: little out of my depth here
sorry!
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54 [00:32:15] <simulant_> annadane: just hoped someone could
hopefully help me to get the system to boot again and fix why it
isn't recognising the disk/raid/partition
55 [00:33:37] <simulant_> annadane: I've also tried booting
an ubuntu live desktop and from there I could assemble the md0 and
open files and such and smart status on the drives was healthy and
fsck clean too
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76 [00:50:13] <simulant_> hi can anyone please help me chroot
from liveusb to do initramfs update?
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81 [00:55:17] <petn-randall> !chroot
82 [00:55:17] <dpkg> To chroot into your Debian system boot to
your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console
(Alt-F2). Mount your root filesystem with "mount -t ext2
/dev/whatever /target" and make /dev, /proc and /sys usable
with "mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none
/target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys". You can then
chroot into the system with "chroot /target".
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84 [00:55:19] <petn-randall> simulant_: ^^^
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88 [00:56:15] <simulant_> petn-randall: ah thanks!
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92 [00:57:48] <annadane> i guess "ext2" is a
placeholder for whatever the filesystem actually is
93 [00:57:51] <simulant_> petn-randall: do i still do mount -t
ext2 if using raid. I think it is ext4. can i just put mount by
itself?
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96 [00:58:01] <annadane> or no, that's not accurate
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99 [00:58:13] <petn-randall> simulant_: Yeah, adjust it
accordingly
100 [00:58:16] <simulant_> annadane: ah that's just what I
wanted to ask, I'm not sure what I have
101 [00:58:26] <petn-randall> simulant_: Since you have a RAID,
you need to assemble that before mounting it.
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106 [00:59:08] <simulant_> petn-randall: i've asembled it ok
just with mdadm --assemble /dev/md0
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108 [01:00:21] <simulant_> petn-randall: if i just do "mount
/dev/mdo /mnt/md0" will that be enough or do I have to put the
-t and ext2 for it to work properly?
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111 [01:01:40] <squarecircle> ohai
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114 [01:02:44] <hexnewbie> So new Debian point releases are out.
How can one tell if qemu/kvm networking works in Stretch now (bug
867978)?
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120 [01:04:16] <annadane> bug #867978
121 [01:04:17] <judd> Bug
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127 [01:04:51] <annadane> well i guess first of all it depends on
whether qemu is in the list of bug fixes for 9.3
128 [01:05:15] <annadane> appears not
129 [01:05:23] <hexnewbie> The news item only lists security
130 [01:05:33] <hexnewbie> I mean security where qemu is
concerned
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132 [01:05:48] <annadane> right
133 [01:05:54] <annadane> i'm looking at "bug
fixes" and it's not there
134 [01:06:19] <hexnewbie> OK, so that's what I need to be
looking at. Thanks.
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136 [01:06:40] <rodddd> netinst download link seems broken on
debian.org
137 [01:06:49] <rodddd>
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139 [01:08:24] <annadane> rodddd, i see the same. i'll
report it
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141 [01:08:48] <hexnewbie> Don't links always tend to be
missing or broken for a little while after new packages or releases
come out? (That is why I asked my question, as I'm not sure if
the changelogs I'm seeing are up-to-date.)
142 [01:08:54] <annadane> though it was just released today,
maybe give it some time
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145 [01:09:11] <rodddd> annadane wasn't aware it was
released today, thanks!
146 [01:09:17] <annadane> i imagine that sort of thing will be
fixed quickly
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154 [01:13:51] <annadane> rodddd, actually, for the net install
it really shouldn't matter
155 [01:14:03] <annadane> as long as you use 9.x you'll
automatically get the latest packages regardless
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157 [01:14:22] <annadane> my usb still is on 9.1
158 [01:14:40] <rodddd> annadane oh ok then, I'll get 9.2 in
that case, tyvm
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164 [01:18:35] <annadane> rodddd, though i guess it depends on
the mirror, whether the one you use during the install will have all
the up to date stuff
165 [01:18:45] <simulant_> Ok I did that chroot and initramfs
update -a but now when I reboot it says I have duplicate entries in
the conf file!
166 [01:18:56] <annadane> you can increase your chances by using
a primary mirror, or just wait a few hours, or do an apt upgrade
after instal
167 [01:18:59] <annadane> install*
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169 [01:19:33] <annadane> apt list --upgradable will show you
after the installation
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180 [01:29:28] <Dan39> greetings \o
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182 [01:29:54] <mirak> hello
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184 [01:30:09] <bazhang> hi
185 [01:30:10] <petn-randall> simulant_: It should be enough, but
you can also explicitely add it.
186 [01:30:25] <Dan39> doing an upgrade from 8 to 9, just
finished upgrade from 7 to 8 which went well with no errors and
rebooted fine.
187 [01:30:40] <mirak> does anyone know where is stored $DEVICE
from the "grub-install $DEVICE" that is automatically ran
after kernel upgrades ?
188 [01:30:52] <Dan39> for the 8 to 9 upgrade im getting a few
messages that look like dpkg: libopenmpi1.6: dependency problems,
but removing anyway as you requested:
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191 [01:31:04] <Dan39> is this something to worry about?
192 [01:31:29] <petn-randall> !bat
193 [01:31:29] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with
apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information:
1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the
command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1
pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem,
and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use
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194 [01:31:40] <petn-randall> Dan39: Can you provide all of the
above in a single paste?
195 [01:32:09] <xuxx> debian has a nice community
196 [01:32:15] <Dan39> petn-randall: sure, but just on a hunch
any idea about the error? when the dist-upgrade is finished i can
provide the script files too
197 [01:32:24] <Dan39> well, not error, warning :p
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203 [01:34:55] <rodddd> annadane thanks for the help. Signing off
to wipe out Windows and install Debian...
204 [01:35:25] <simulant_> petn-randall:
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206 [01:35:45] <simulant_> if anyone can please help me,
I've had to take the photo above as I can't paste it!
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209 [01:37:45] <themill> Dan39: apt sometimes forces dpkg to do
things that it is unhappy about. If it's a problem, apt will
complain at the end of the run
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211 [01:38:25] <Dan39> wooow this is 2017 man, cant be doing that
stuff!
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215 [01:42:08] <simulant_> sorry wrong photo haha ooops, here is
the correct one of where it gets stuck on boot if anyone can please
help:
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222 [01:44:06] <Dan39> well it finished successfuly i think
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224 [01:45:18] <numbdewd> are the rbldnsd & similar packages
of any use still, (more so for older versions possibly? like wheezy
with libapache2 modules for it . .), or more historical records -
and persistent blocking,still, though according to the site as
listed in rbldnsd's config-file (at least on Wheezy), the
project is obsolete and closed down around a decade ago.. guessing
has some use, but anything else than possi
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228 [01:45:52] <numbdewd> ..possibly old, outdated records
(nearly 10y old), as it seems..? (Im guessing those anti-spam
listings may be somewhat inaccurate by now)
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233 [01:47:11] <numbdewd> any custom replacements to put the
package into use wiht similar functioning, or which could easily be
done as such..or something,any1 got some quick guesstimate what this
package may remain in repo for .. ?
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248 [01:54:35] <xuxx>
gtk-warning-theme-directory-of-theme-maiya-has-no-size-field-solved
vous avez deja vue cette erreur ?
249 [01:54:49] <xuxx>
gtk-warning-theme-directory-of-theme-maiya-has-no-size-field-solved
did you ever saw this error ?
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251 [01:56:49] <annadane> xuxx,
252 [01:56:51] <annadane> !context
253 [01:56:51] <dpkg> Try to give enough context! For example,
let us know which command/program you are running, what you
expected, and what you got instead. Try to be as specific as
possible. If your command produced output, share the complete
command (with all parameters!) and its output on
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254 [01:56:57] <mirak> does anyone know where is stored $DEVICE
from the "grub-install $DEVICE" that is automatically ran
after kernel upgrades ?
255 [01:57:02] <somiaj> xuxx: is this a custom theme you have
installed or one provided by debian?
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257 [01:57:28] <Dan39> petn-randall: will have to do a few pasted
to keep this organized, and sorry cant use paste.debian.net because
it complained about the paste being too long. here is the upgrade
output:
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258 [01:57:34] <xuxx> somiaj, it's a theme already install
on the distro
259 [01:57:53] <petn-randall> simulant_: Sounds like you have the
raid twice in /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf
260 [01:58:49] <inSync> mirak: kernel upgrades run update-grub
261 [01:58:55] <mentor> mirak: In debconf?
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263 [01:59:24] <mirak> mentor, this value seems to be set with
debconf at install time, or reconfiguration of grub package
264 [01:59:58] <mirak> inSync, update-grub doesn't run
grub-install
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266 [02:00:21] <inSync> mirak: correct, hence my point
267 [02:00:41] <somiaj> xuxx: what version of debian?
268 [02:00:53] <mirak> inSync, ok sorry, then it's run after
grub package upgrades
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271 [02:01:37] <petn-randall> Dan39: Looks completely fine to me
272 [02:01:44] <mirak> but it doesn't ask each time where
you want to install grub, so it must be stored somewhere
273 [02:01:49] <somiaj> because i'm finding no theme called
'maiya' in debian.
274 [02:02:13] <somiaj> mirak: a grep of DEVICE in /etc gives
this variable in various /etc/grub.d scripts.
275 [02:02:19] <mentor> mirak: In debconf?
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277 [02:02:25] <Dan39> oky doky, time to reboot and see how the
upgrade went then
278 [02:02:35] <Dan39> finishing up some cleanup according to the
debian guide first of course
279 [02:02:37] <somiaj> mirak: but I don't see where it is
stored/set
280 [02:02:59] <Dan39> lot more autoremove packages with this
upgrade than the 7 to 8 upgrade
281 [02:03:33] <Dan39> lot of libboost stuff and a few python
packages looks like newer versions are provided now. going to go
ahead with it
282 [02:03:39] <xuxx> somiaj, I use parrot, and this distro is
based on debian
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284 [02:03:52] <somiaj> well I foud it set in
/etc/grub.d/30_os-prober: DEVICE="`echo ${OS} | cut -d
':' -f 1`"
285 [02:04:17] <somiaj> xuxx: parrot is not debian, please use
there support. This is a bug in their theme and package.
286 [02:04:20] <somiaj> !parrot
287 [02:04:20] <dpkg> Parrot OS (replaced-url
288 [02:04:49] <mentor> That's for other grubs
289 [02:05:02] <mentor> It's in the grub.d support script
290 [02:05:11] <somiaj> mentor: that that is probably a different
DEVICE variable that the one that is being used.
291 [02:05:17] <Dan39> nice, kernel 4.9, now thats what im talkin
about :D
292 [02:05:34] <somiaj> it is the only one I found setting it
when grepping /etc for DEVICE though, so maybe it is stored
elsewhere.
293 [02:05:49] <mentor> grub-mkconfig_lib
294 [02:06:12] <mentor> /usr/lib/grub/grub-mkconfig_lib
295 [02:06:35] <Dan39> why is grub.cfg a-w now adays...? just for
safety?
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301 [02:07:20] <simulant_> petn-randall: ah fixed that, and also
now can boot by doing this:
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303 [02:07:46] <simulant_> petn-randall: the problem now I have
is how do I make it permanent, as I have to do the steps in that
link each time I boot!!
304 [02:08:11] <Dan39> well, it booted fine
305 [02:08:25] <Dan39> Debian GNU/Linux 9.3
306 [02:08:32] <Dan39> successful debian 7 to 9
307 [02:08:40] <Dan39> well, 7 to 8 to 9
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309 [02:09:20] <mirak> i reboot
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312 [02:09:38] <Dan39> runs perfect. thanks petn-randall and
themill. peace!
313 [02:09:43] <somiaj> Dan39: congrats!!
314 [02:09:49] <somiaj> !next
315 [02:09:49] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
316 [02:09:52] <Dan39> tomorrow ill do the next server, same
thing... 7 to 8 to 9
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318 [02:10:09] <Dan39> anyone have luck doing 7 straight to 9? :P
319 [02:10:14] <somiaj> Dan39: jsut be sure to backup, just
because it was very smooth on one system, that is not always the
case (though we would like it to be)
320 [02:10:24] <Dan39> not that worried about it tbh
321 [02:10:32] <Dan39> if it breaks my data is still there...
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323 [02:10:41] <somiaj> Dan39: you do not want to do that.
Scripts are designed to upgrade from the previous version only. So
in terms of transitions, modifications, you have to upgrade through
each release.
324 [02:10:41] <Dan39> just cuz it doesnt boot doesnt mean its
gonna erase my data, eh?
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327 [02:11:24] <somiaj> Dan39: it shouldn't, but better to
be safe if you value your data. It usually works jsut fine,
sometimes it needs some massagaing, but there is a rare case of
configurations that could cause more damage.
328 [02:11:44] <Dan39> right. always be safe
329 [02:11:46] <Dan39> ttyl
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335 [02:13:37] <petn-randall> simulant_: You only have to do this
once.
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352 [02:18:05] <simulant_> petn-randall: but I did it and tried
rebooting and it did the same again...
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361 [02:24:47] <petn-randall> simulant_: Then your problem is a
different one.
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365 [02:28:15] <simulant_> petn-randall: ok thanks. going to bed
so will check back tmrw. thanks for your time
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413 [03:03:14] <darksec> so whats up with this sms spoofing issue
on kali-linux?
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422 [03:06:39] <annadane> darksec, kali is not debian
423 [03:06:42] <annadane> ask the kali people
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432 [03:10:17] <darksec> Kali linux is debian-derived.
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435 [03:10:41] <xormor> annadane, those kinds of people resemble
the people who wrote into rec.games.roguelike.nethack Usenet News
Group in the 1990's to ask "how to hack the net?"
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437 [03:11:15] <annadane> !based on debian
438 [03:11:16] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have
software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't
and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare
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439 [03:11:19] <annadane> darksec, ^^^^^^^^^
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441 [03:11:25] <annadane> !kali
442 [03:11:25] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
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444 [03:12:15] <xormor> darksec, perhaps you should ask Google
Group's "nethack" related groups (do not! :-D)
"nethack" is a computer game, not about hacking the net.
the original game was "Hack" and it was developed further
on the Net, so it became NetHack.
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453 [03:15:46] <darksec> then why is kalis 2.0 kernel version 4.0
based on debian jessie, if what your saying is in fact correct, then
whats been lost in translation?
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458 [03:19:31] <petn-randall> darksec: We're not here to
answer Kali questions. You've been told to ask in #kali-linux
for that.
459 [03:20:02] <petn-randall> ,kernels
460 [03:20:03] <judd> Available kernel versions are:
experimental: 4.14.0-trunk-686-pae (4.14-1~exp1); sid:
4.14.0-1-686-pae (4.14.2-1); buster: 4.13.0-1-686 (4.13.13-1);
stretch-backports: 4.13.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.13.13-1~bpo9+1); stretch:
4.9.0-4-686 (4.9.65-3); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.4-686
(4.9.51-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.51-2);
wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae
461 [03:20:05] <judd> (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy:
3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.93-1)
462 [03:20:57] <petn-randall> Also, jessie shipped with kernel
3.16, so your statement doesn't make much sense.
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472 [03:27:59] <darksec> well it pretty much does ive been using
kali long enough to know that its kernel 4.0 which is based on
debian jessie also Kali Linux Rolling version(latest) is based on
unstable branch of Debian.
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474 [03:28:44] <annadane> ok but your question still has nothing
to do with debian
475 [03:28:51] <annadane> why not ask people who know about kali
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480 [03:33:22] <darksec> i know the question is irrelevant to
debian but somebody tried to fabricate an irrelevant point, i just
wanted to know why the sms service has been down for a while, ive
already been in touch with offensive security and they might be
leading specialists, but their customer services is shit.
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484 [03:35:36] <xormor> darksec,
replaced-url
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496 [03:40:04] * mnuhmnuh if you want to "hack" (as in
"cracker"), learn/use tails. at least you'll have a
chance to fend off the *real monsters* out there if you do. NSA/US
gov./etc. may still own you if they want, but you'll have a
chance against others, maybe. Russia, no.
497 [03:41:05] <mnuhmnuh> sorry, thought this was -offtopic.
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501 [03:45:06] <|subz3r0|> ./brain.sh on
502 [03:45:31] <mnuhmnuh> brain: not found.
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510 [03:48:13] <|subz3r0|> mnuhmnuh: <3
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522 [03:55:01] <jair> hello there, have anyone experience this
strange hang on rebooting due to "stopped target network is
online"
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525 [03:55:36] <consolers> apt-cache search fails because some
sources.list file is not readable
526 [03:55:44] <jair> when I reboot my system, it hangs for over
two to three minutes there, then after passing that message
everything boots nicely
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528 [03:56:00] <consolers> is there any way to change the
location of the list of sources so a non-root user can see it
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531 [03:56:19] <consolers> new apt introduces a hard dependency
on gnutls
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534 [03:56:44] <consolers> should it not be possible to use apt
without tls
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536 [03:57:08] <consolers> all those hardcoded nonsense make the
design of the tool malicious
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538 [03:58:00] <consolers> --> [server] 470 #debian-devel
#debian :Forwarding to another channel sigh
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582 [04:22:51] <JeffFromOH> Hello. I want to get started with
LAMP + WordPress on Debian Server. I installed the
"WordPress" package in synaptic, which installed the rest
of the stack (Apache, MariaDB, PHP). Is there a good webpage or
document somewhere (maybe installed alongside the packages on my
debian server), now that I've installed those packages, that
covers how those packages are initially configured, (e.g. default
MariaDB root login, etc), so
583 [04:22:51] <JeffFromOH> that I can begin to secure the
services?
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585 [04:24:48] <JeffFromOH> Err, think I might have just found a
good third-party guide:
replaced-url
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587 [04:26:25] <avis-> what are debian linux servers that require
no configuration ?
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599 [04:36:43] <somiaj> JeffFromOH: sometimes docs in
/usr/share/doc/packagename/ will give you info, so check out
/usr/share/doc/wordpress
600 [04:37:06] <somiaj> avis-: what do you mean? You want to get
a pre configured server?
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606 [04:39:34] <JeffFromOH> somiaj: thanks. I am aware of those
directories, and I do check, but often, it seems the only thing in
there is a changelog lol
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610 [04:40:35] <somiaj> sometimes they give info about
tips/things to do after the install
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612 [04:42:31] <JeffFromOH> Well, at least for Apache,
there's a nice Debian overview of the default Debian setup just
by opening firefox and going to "localhost" :-D
613 [04:42:41] <JeffFromOH> Just found that out
614 [04:42:57] <JeffFromOH> Figured I'd see what Apache
served up if I just hit it with a browser
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616 [04:44:15] <JeffFromOH> Is MariaDB, I hope, when you first
install the package, configured by default to only allow connections
from localhost?
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618 [04:44:29] <JeffFromOH> That would be a sane default config,
seems to me
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637 [04:56:28] <JeffFromOH> I've just been doing some
reading about firewall management on Debian, and it appears that you
have quite a bit of choice in frontends to manage the kernel
firewall rules (which, I'm a little confused - does modern
Debian (in this case stretch) use iptables or netfilter in the
kernel?
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660 [05:23:43] <somiaj> JeffFromOH: netfilter and iptables and
interconnected, iptables is the front end that congiures it.
661 [05:23:50] <Arahael> I've got an incredibly minimal
debian setup, how do I install most of the basic packages, including
bash?
662 [05:24:00] <Arahael> Isn't there a meta package for
this?
663 [05:24:19] <somiaj> JeffFromOH: in many cases you may not
need a firewall, if you control what services are running and
listening on the network. Kinda depends on your setup and needs.
What are you needing a firewall for?
664 [05:24:40] <somiaj> Arahael: bash should be installed by
default. How did you create this debian install?
665 [05:24:54] <somiaj> yea bash is a required package, if it is
not installed you have something messed up
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667 [05:25:32] <Arahael> somiaj: It's a minimal docker
iamge. :)
668 [05:25:35] <Arahael> *image
669 [05:25:54] <somiaj> well there is this.
670 [05:25:55] <somiaj> !standard
671 [05:25:55] <dpkg> i heard standard task is a "task"
that should be installed on all machines during the installer stage.
It installs packages that are important, required and standard (i.e.
"aptitude install ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant").
Packages in the <essential> set are always installed. Also ask
me about <tasksel>.
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673 [05:26:23] <Arahael> somiaj: Just to clarify, that's
also installed using 'apt install "standard^'?
674 [05:26:42] <somiaj> docker must do lots of stuff with
scripts, would suprise me if dash was the only
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677 [05:27:20] <JeffFromOH> somiaj: well, I guess I'm just
very paranoid, and want to make sure certain ports being used by
some services installed on the server either can only be accessed
locally on the same machine (that is, block any incoming packets
from the network) - for example, MariaDB - connections to MariaDB
should only ever be made locally on this server.
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679 [05:27:31] <JeffFromOH> Now, yes, you should be able to
enforce that through MariaDB config
680 [05:27:40] <JeffFromOH> But I'm sort of a belts and
suspenders sort of guy
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682 [05:28:02] <Arahael> JeffFromOH: I th ink you might be able
to sort that out using Selinux, too.
683 [05:28:07] <somiaj> JeffFromOH: and I think by default it is
configured to only listen on localhost. You can use netstat to see
what is listening and configure the database to only listen on local
host
684 [05:28:16] <JeffFromOH> Just in case somehow the MariaDB
config gets either messed up (or hacked), I want the firewall to
also enforce that policy
685 [05:28:32] <somiaj> if someone can hack your database config,
they can hack your firewall.
686 [05:28:44] <Arahael> selinux should help.
687 [05:29:05] <somiaj> iptables I think is the standard front
end people use. There are gui ones too, but I have just used
iptables in the past.
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689 [05:29:40] <somiaj> though really a firewall is best done on
a nother machine, like a gateway, load balancer, not on the machine
itself.
690 [05:29:40] <Arahael> Try to stay away from upw. Many of those
"simplified" firewalls do *wierd things*.
691 [05:30:00] <JeffFromOH> somiaj: Well, maybe they only get
access to the user account that mariadb runs as, and so they can
change mariadb, but not stuff that requires root (like firewall
config)?
692 [05:30:10] <somiaj> Arahael: I'm unsure, if it were me,
I would use the command the bot said, or install the standard task
with tasksel
693 [05:30:20] <Arahael> somiaj: Hmm.
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695 [05:30:28] <JeffFromOH> somiaj: Agreed. But, again, belts and
suspenders lol
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697 [05:30:40] <somiaj> JeffFromOH: since that user is not a
login user, highly unlikely, but sure, you can do what lots of
places do and put a firewall up if it makes you feel better.
698 [05:30:57] <somiaj> debian just dosen't include one by
default like other oses.
699 [05:30:59] <JeffFromOH> Arahael: upw? Do you mean ufw?
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701 [05:31:20] <somiaj> Arahael: but yea you may not have
aptitude, I'm trying to find the name of the task package.
702 [05:31:49] <Arahael> JeffFromOH: Ah, yep.
703 [05:32:09] <Arahael> somiaj: Indeed I don't. Just
looking for tasksel itself, but it doen't document it's
commands well.
704 [05:32:11] <somiaj> Arahael: no, I'm not seeing a meta
package for the standard task.
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706 [05:32:35] <Arahael> somiaj: Eg, it describes itself as a
user interface.
707 [05:32:37] <somiaj> Arahael: if tasksel is installed tasksel
install standard or something like I think is sufficent.
708 [05:32:45] <Arahael> somiaj: Does it ask for confirmation?
709 [05:33:17] <somiaj> Arahael: it shouldn't, tasksel
--list-tasks should list all availabe tasks
710 [05:33:28] <Arahael> Ah, nice. I was thinking of the
curses-based tasksel.
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712 [05:33:52] <somiaj> Arahael: same program, but you don't
have to use the curses gui to have it do things.
713 [05:34:18] <somiaj> yea, tasksel install task should work
714 [05:34:23] <Arahael> Awesome.
715 [05:34:36] <JeffFromOH> I don't think I would describe
anything using curses as a 'gui' lol
716 [05:34:37] <Arahael> apt install tasksel; tasksel install
standard. :)
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718 [05:34:44] <somiaj> though to me it is strange you have
tasksel but not aptitude, seems aptitude doesn't have the love
anymore
719 [05:34:52] <JeffFromOH> more like a 'fstui' - full
screen text interface hehe
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721 [05:35:23] <JeffFromOH> err, full screen text user interface
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723 [05:36:04] <Arahael> Hmm, tasksel isn't there.
724 [05:36:08] * Arahael checks to see if this is really debian.
725 [05:36:22] <GTAXL> ipset v6.30: Syntax error: typename
'iphash:ip' is unknown
726 [05:36:27] <GTAXL> ipset create nmap iphash:ip timeout 3600
727 [05:36:29] <somiaj> maybe the image didn't set up the
sources correctly. apt-cache policy
728 [05:36:54] <GTAXL> anyone know the right format?
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731 [05:38:22] <Arahael> somiaj:
replaced-url
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736 [05:40:23] <somiaj> Arahael: and the output of apt policy
tasksel
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739 [05:42:13] <Arahael> somiaj: Added to the end of that gist:
replaced-url
740 [05:42:52] <Arahael> (Hmm, looks like gist maintains the same
url for newer revisions: Neat. Anyway)
741 [05:43:21] <somiaj> Arahael: it is there, I'm unsure why
'apt install tasksel' failed, the package caindiate is
version 3.39, and is available.
742 [05:43:25] <somiaj> what error do you get?
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746 [05:44:09] <Natalie> Hi. I
747 [05:44:42] <Arahael> somiaj: Looks like a fairly stupid error
on my part, I literally tried "apt install tasksel; tasksel
install standard". I forgot that ';' runs two
progarms in parallel.
748 [05:44:56] <Natalie> Hi. I've installed Debian 9 on my
Dell Latitude, and I've found the touchpad way to sensitive.
Apparently it's using the ALPS driver. What can I do to fix
this?
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750 [05:45:05] <Tramp> GTAXL: hash:ip - as the manpage says
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752 [05:45:21] <Arahael> somiaj: And the first command failed
because I didn't provide '-y' to it.
753 [05:45:40] <GTAXL> ah, thanks. idk why I got iphash
754 [05:46:13] <somiaj> Natalie: xinput and xset can be used to
change mouse senstivity.
755 [05:46:14] <Arahael> tasksel is now giving lots of warnings:
Failed to initialise dialog. Falling to Readline. Failed ot
initialise Readline, falling to Teletype. Seems to be doing
'something' now (or else it's hung)
756 [05:46:25] <Arahael> Seems to be hung, really. :/
757 [05:47:40] * Arahael tries an interactive prompt.
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759 [05:48:52] <somiaj> Arahael: maybe install aptitude instead
of tasksel. (:
760 [05:48:54] <jelly> Arahael: if you had run tasksel in test
mode (-t) it would have shown the apt command it was going to run;
that apt command includes a -q switch
761 [05:50:26] <jelly> Arahael: where did you get this minimal
docker image from?
762 [05:50:31] <JeffFromOH> Well, I do have a firewall on my
linksys router protecting my network as a whole, So, I suppose
I'm alright
763 [05:51:10] <JeffFromOH> It defaults to blocking all inbound
connections unless I open a port to a particular IPv6 address (or
forward a port to an IPv4 private address)
764 [05:51:23] <Arahael> jelly: I think it's this one;
replaced-url
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766 [05:51:50] <somiaj> JeffFromOH: that is a better approach to
firewalls in my opinion anyways. Have other hardware for it, and not
on the box.
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768 [05:52:40] <somiaj> though I have heard issues bout ipv6
ignoring the linksys router firewalls, this might be older versions,
and i'm unsure since I don't use ipv6.
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770 [05:54:56] <JeffFromOH> somiaj: I'm worried that, well,
home market routers often are found, after they've been
released, to have crap firmware with security holes you can drive a
truck through lol. So, that's partly why I want a firewall also
on the server lol. Defense in depth.
771 [05:55:32] <annadane> use openrwt or similar?
772 [05:55:46] <annadane> s/openrwt/openwrt
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775 [05:58:32] <Arahael> Weird. tasksel has more output when run
interactively. Maybe it requires a tty?
776 [05:58:56] <jelly> Arahael: having a tty is kind of implied
when doing installation
777 [05:59:06] <Arahael> jelly: Not with docker, iirc.
778 [05:59:11] <jelly> oh, docker
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784 [06:04:40] <JeffFromOH> annadane: Well, I bought this
particular router with the intention of putting OpenWRT or Tomato or
something on it
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786 [06:05:20] <JeffFromOH> But, never got around to it - when I
first go it, the OpenWRT support for the router was not yet very
mature, although I think that has probably changed now, 2 or 3 years
later
787 [06:05:51] <JeffFromOH> But, well, when you have working
Internet, it's hard to motivate yourself to start making
changes that might stop your Internet from working altogether lol
788 [06:05:53] <Arahael> Hmm, tasksel has definitely hung, by the
looks of it.
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792 [06:06:33] <annadane> JeffFromOH, i fully sympathize with
that point of view as i get worried about the same thing
793 [06:07:27] <JeffFromOH> I'll give Linksys credit for
this: They've been regularly releasing firmware updates to
address discovered security vulnerabilities.
794 [06:08:01] <petemc> bad for business otherwise
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796 [06:08:35] <somiaj> cisco does have a fairly good repreation
when it comes to network security, though unsure on their speed on
their home end products.
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799 [06:09:39] <JeffFromOH> somiaj: Well, the speed does leave a
*little bit* to be desired - there was a security vulnerability that
was disclosed in April, that they released a firmware to fix in
July. Not the worst turn-around time ever, but 3 months is still a
pretty long window in Internet time.
800 [06:09:58] <somiaj> for big companies, not that bad.
801 [06:10:24] <JeffFromOH> Yeah - but still gives a window of
opportunity to hackers.
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803 [06:11:21] <Arahael> Meh. Giving up on tasksel. I guess
I'll use aptitude.
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806 [06:18:15] <Arahael> Beautiful.
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808 [06:20:28] <JeffFromOH> Thanks for your time and advice. Time
for me to bid you goodnight.
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827 [06:40:30] <Natalie> I'm trying to run "libinput
measure touchpad-pressure" but from what I can tell, I
don't actually have a libinput command installed anywhere. How
can I install it?
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834 [06:52:39] <awal1> Natalie, libinput-tools should have the
command line tools
835 [06:53:13] <Natalie> Yeah. I eventually found it.
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840 [06:55:48] <loadedanvils> I’m about to install debian
for the first time, which DE version would you recommend I get (I
want to switch from unity / gnome 3)
841 [06:55:50] <awal1> ,v libinput-tools
842 [06:55:51] <judd> Package: libinput-tools on amd64 --
stretch: 1.6.3-1; buster: 1.9.3-1; sid: 1.9.3-1
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844 [06:59:07] <klys> loadedanvils, why do you want to switch?
845 [07:00:28] <klys> if you just want to try something new, try
kde. if you want a lightweight desktop, try lxde. <insert other
reason for each available desktop here>
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855 [07:07:29] <awal1> loadedanvils, that depends on what you
want to do with your system
856 [07:07:48] <loadedanvils> general purpose development
857 [07:08:33] <loadedanvils> I’ve used ubuntu, centos, and
manjaro before
858 [07:08:42] <awal1> if just for home use, a base system + a
window manager of your choice (icewm and fluxbox are almost ready to
use)
859 [07:08:55] <awal1> a wm + the tools you need
860 [07:09:21] <awal1> if you are DE oriented/gui oriented, try
them all and chose
861 [07:09:54] <awal1> gnome and kde are the most popular
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865 [07:11:50] <awal1> that is for what virtualization is also
there; have a debian vm and try anything you want then chose for
your real system
866 [07:12:12] <awal1> at least that is what I do
867 [07:13:00] <loadedanvils> I’ve tried all of them in a
VM (not all of them worked successfully)
868 [07:13:11] <loadedanvils> I think because the VM made things
worse
869 [07:13:51] <loadedanvils> I wasn’t satisfied with any
they had listed (I hadn’t installed guest additions or
anything)
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871 [07:15:27] <awal1> all the software is there made for work
under any desktop environment / window manager once dependencies are
satisfied
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874 [07:15:51] <Arahael> I can't run setxkbmap correctly -
any reason why? (I just get: "Error loading new keyboard
description"). Please note: My setup is a bit weird.
875 [07:16:04] <Arahael> (I'm doing this via x11 forwarding,
for instance)
876 [07:16:13] <klys> if you want to use windows via kvm as a
desktop, get you a usb-serial dongle for your laptop and boot over
ttyUSB0, and use virt-manager to take over your video
877 [07:16:21] <awal1> which DE/WM you can use? that is a matter
almost of taste, a matther of the graphical environment you like
much, loadedanvils
878 [07:16:34] <klys> that is, if none of them are satisfoactory
879 [07:16:52] <awal1> invent your own
880 [07:16:57] <loadedanvils> I was using VMWare (this is a new
computer that I haven’t installed linux on yet)
881 [07:17:23] <loadedanvils> I used Gnome 3 before and it was
okay but I don’t really seem to like it anymore
882 [07:17:40] <Arahael> loadedanvils: The tools are practically
required. Unless you don't need the display and use ssh
instead.
883 [07:18:03] <awal1> I personally ended using openbox, and
sometimes fvwm, and I just install the software I need then. that
was my final choice after trying every DE/WM existing under debian
884 [07:18:40] <Arahael> awal1: Including ratpoison?
885 [07:18:52] <awal1> Arahael, yeah :P
886 [07:19:07] <Arahael> awal1: Impressive. :)
887 [07:19:34] <klys> right now I actually am using openbox or
fluxbox
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889 [07:19:56] <awal1> I ended having all DE/WM (kde, gnome,
cinnamon, xfce, lxde, mate and lxqt + like 30 WM's)
890 [07:20:04] <klys> and konsole for a transparent terminal
891 [07:20:33] <awal1> my suprise was about how all worked
smoothly in same machine/system ( jessie)
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893 [07:21:56] <klys> yesterday I was using iceweasel and it
started thrashing. a few hours passed and I was able to kill it with
kill from a tty.
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898 [07:24:21] <Arahael> klys: Tried aterm?
899 [07:24:27] <awal1> Arahael, I am not really a fun of tilling
wm's; I prefer stacking (like openbox) or dynamic (like
awesome)
900 [07:24:39] <Arahael> awal1: Yeah, it was a bit of a test. ;)
901 [07:24:47] <klys> arahael, it's not the best for
wathcing videos through the terminal emulator
902 [07:25:22] <awal1> Arahael, that is bcoz I am not really 100%
keyboard oriented :P
903 [07:25:22] <klys> I think aterm is glued to the root window
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905 [07:26:31] <Arahael> klys: Ah, so you wanted *real*
transparency.
906 [07:26:57] <klys> arhael, have you tried it?
907 [07:27:26] <awal1> loadedanvils, I suggest you xfce. it is
very customizable and stable. I like it's conservatism
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909 [07:27:57] <Arahael> klys: Me? Yes, I've tried xterm. I
haven't tried ratpoison, though: I've gone mac.
910 [07:28:08] <awal1> and it is very gnome compliant
911 [07:28:50] <klys> arahael, are you running mac os x via kv or
xen? or are you just using mac instead of debian for now?
912 [07:29:33] <Arahael> klys: mac os on a macbook pro.
913 [07:29:41] <klys> ok
914 [07:32:06] <awal1> Arahael, what do you want to do exactly
with setxkbmap ?
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917 [07:32:53] <awal1> and which command exactly?
918 [07:32:55] <Arahael> awal1: I'm trying to make my
keyboard work. Symptom: When I run enlightenment in Xyphyr, none of
my keys work.
919 [07:33:07] <Arahael> awal1: I was hoping to see what mapping
I am using.
920 [07:33:41] <Arahael> Very weird behaviour, it's like
someone shuffled all my keys. backspace results in ,'s. My
number keys results in letters.
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922 [07:34:29] <Arahael> As for the exact command that is giving
the error, it is: setxkbmap
923 [07:34:34] <Arahael> Yes, on it's own.
924 [07:34:45] <awal1> Arahael, try setxkbmap -query
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928 [07:35:20] <Arahael> Ok, that doesn't result in an
error. Doesn't seem to result in anything, really, curiously.
929 [07:35:44] <Arahael> rules: base; model: empty; layout: empty
930 [07:35:50] <password2> hi
931 [07:35:54] <loadedanvils> awal1 I liked xfce in manjaro, but
I’m not sure how to configure it for debian
932 [07:36:04] <Arahael> password2: Your password is showing.
933 [07:36:54] <password2> :O
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935 [07:37:07] <password2> talking about me , I havetwo thingsto
ask
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937 [07:37:19] <awal1> loadedanvils, if you want your graphical
environment to be just as you want it, you "should" use a
wm. xfce is really easy to configure
938 [07:37:37] <password2> firstly , I want to expose my ssh port
to the internet , any things i should lock down before doing so?
939 [07:38:52] <loadedanvils> awal1: supposedly, yes, not sure
where to start though
940 [07:39:06] <loadedanvils> xfce has a window manager already
though, right?
941 [07:39:27] <awal1> Arahael, so you are runnig debian system
with E17 or a debian vm+e17+xephyr on mac?
942 [07:39:30] <Arahael> password2: That depends on your level of
paranoia. Generally, make absolutely certain that all password-based
logins have a very good password.
943 [07:39:49] <awal1> xfwm, a derivative of fvwm
944 [07:39:54] <Arahael> awal1: debian docker image + e17 +
xepher using ssh X11 forwarding in XQuartz....
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946 [07:40:22] <Arahael> awal1: I'm >< this close to
giving up, and setting up an xrdp server, which may be a good idea.
947 [07:40:33] <password2> ok
948 [07:40:34] <nix64bit> i hate passwords is it not possible
just to unstall p/p keys everywhere
949 [07:40:40] <password2> all my passwords are different
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951 [07:40:55] <Arahael> password2: Not good enough. They have to
be *good* passwords. Generally random.
952 [07:41:02] <awal1> Arahael, not really familiar with
containers stuff; can't be much of help
953 [07:41:02] <password2> meh
954 [07:41:05] <Arahael> password2: If you can't do that,
then disable password auth.
955 [07:41:11] <password2> random is worse :P
956 [07:41:18] <Arahael> password2: Use keys instead
957 [07:41:37] <Arahael> awal1: I don't think it's a
container issue, as such.
958 [07:41:50] <Arahael> awal1: However, it could easily be some
oddity with XQuartz.
959 [07:42:24] <password2> keyboard keys :D
960 [07:42:35] <Arahael> password2: ssh keys are far, far more
secure.
961 [07:42:40] <nix64bit> Arahael: so do i need a root private
key? as well as a user priveae key?
962 [07:42:41] <password2> i doubt it
963 [07:42:47] <Arahael> password2: These keys can themselves use
a "keyboard key".
964 [07:42:54] <Arahael> nix64bit: What?
965 [07:43:41] <password2> Arahael, ssh keys does cause linked
vulnerability though , if the computer I'm from ssh'ing is
compromised or getcmpromised , they got the font door keys to my
server
966 [07:43:54] <nix64bit> Arahael: how do i setup keys for loogin
rathere than paswords, I use keys on my remote server but can i use
them fo local login as well
967 [07:44:08] <nix64bit> and is there a howto somewhere ?
968 [07:44:14] <awal1> Arahael, for "layout setxkbmap
-layout yorlanguage" what output you get running say
"setxkbmap -layout en"? en for english
969 [07:44:17] <Arahael> password2: So, put a password on those
keys to cater for that.
970 [07:44:34] <Arahael> password2: But, what's stopping
them from installing a keylogger? If your system is compromised,
it's game over.
971 [07:44:50] <Arahael> nix64bit: ... For local login?
972 [07:45:01] <nix64bit> yes
973 [07:45:12] <nix64bit> i alredy use them for remote
974 [07:45:20] <password2> well persistence
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977 [07:45:37] <password2> a ssh needs to be stored on file
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979 [07:46:22] <nix64bit> keys are many times for efficient that
passwords
980 [07:46:28] <Arahael> awal1: The output I get is: Error
loading new keyboard description.
981 [07:46:52] <awal1> klys, 'guake' or
'tilda' are great for transparency. they also have the
drop-down feature. I wonder if you really need kde libs and so under
your openbox/fluxbox
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983 [07:47:32] <nix64bit> i guess i could ssh into local server
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985 [07:47:56] <nix64bit> but thats seems a bit silly
986 [07:48:07] <klys> awal1, do they have fullscreen and tabs
too?
987 [07:48:19] <Arahael> nix64bit: You probably should use sudo
instead.
988 [07:48:34] <password2> not to start a crypto war , but have
anyone seen xkcds take on passwords?
989 [07:48:36] <nix64bit> i have installed sudo
990 [07:48:51] <Arahael> password2: Yes, it's excellent.
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992 [07:49:30] <nix64bit> i would like to have a password free
environment
993 [07:49:30] <Arahael> password2: Note, that xkcd's scheme
only really works if you pick *random* words. Ie, use an xkcd
password generator, don't pick them yourself.
994 [07:49:40] <password2> just a shame many sites limit password
length
995 [07:49:47] <awal1> klys, sure! I presonnaly prefer
'guake'
996 [07:49:51] <m3rlin> Hi! When I updated kernel image and
headers on Debian Jessie, I've got screen "Failed to start
Load Kernel Modules". How to fix this? Thanks
997 [07:50:00] <Arahael> awal1: I've given up, I'm
afraid. :(
998 [07:50:46] <password2> I use an algorith for my passwords
though
999 [07:50:53] <awal1> Arahael, I can't really concentrate
now. sunday night.... :P
1000 [07:51:01] <nix64bit> this is a good password :(){ :|:&
};: :)
1001 [07:51:21] <Arahael> awal1: Heh, fair enough
1002 [07:51:31] <password2> basically I use data from the the
thing I'm trying to log into to 'encrypt' my password
1003 [07:51:54] <Voldenet> good password? I think password1234 is
pretty good
1004 [07:51:58] <Voldenet> ;-)
1005 [07:52:20] <password2> nah , we work best when we are base 2
1006 [07:52:22] <password2> :D
1007 [07:52:55] <musca> passwords are lame,
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1008 [07:52:59] <xormor> IwalkedDown%The5Str337
1009 [07:53:25] <klys> awal1, invoked guake a minute ago and still
no window
1010 [07:53:50] <awal1> klys, press F12 key for display it / hide
it
1011 [07:53:58] <password2> musca, what about the mooltipass?
1012 [07:54:21] <awal1> klys, tilda have F1 by default
1013 [07:54:31] <password2> why are all the sites starting to use
popups again?
1014 [07:56:05] <awal1> klys, F12/F1 are the hotkeys
1015 [07:56:18] <nix64bit> I have started to use a UUID generator
to generate passwords, unfortunately I end up saving them in a file
someweher becasue they impossible to rember
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1018 [07:58:38] <password2> on another note , I'm trying to
install Oracle Virtual Box ,and it installed , but its moaning about
a missing driver and suggests I run /sbin/vboxconfig , which then
moans about two possible missing packages , the one i installed ,
the other i (linux-headers-4.9.0-3-amd64) can't find i my repos
, only a later version.
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1020 [08:02:42] <nkuttler> password2: you should probably have
rebooted after upgrading your kernel
1021 [08:02:51] <password2> i did reboot
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1023 [08:03:04] <password2> idk if it upgraded my kernel
1024 [08:03:19] <password2> because i also get 'This system
is currently not set up to build kernel modules.'
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1026 [08:03:26] <nkuttler> password2: apt-get install
linux-image-4.9.0-4-amd64
1027 [08:03:38] <nkuttler> ,kernels
1028 [08:03:39] <judd> Available kernel versions are:
experimental: 4.14.0-trunk-686-pae (4.14-1~exp1); sid:
4.14.0-1-686-pae (4.14.2-1); buster: 4.13.0-1-686 (4.13.13-1);
stretch-backports: 4.13.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.13.13-1~bpo9+1); stretch:
4.9.0-4-686 (4.9.65-3); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.4-686
(4.9.51-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.51-2);
wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae
1029 [08:03:40] <judd> (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy:
3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.96-1)
1030 [08:04:23] <password2> It asks for
linux-headers-4.9.0-3-amd64 , I installed
linux-headers-4.9.0-4-amd64
1031 [08:04:24] <klys> awal1, is there a way to get it back into
the alt+tab sequence?
1032 [08:04:44] <nkuttler> password2: apt-get install
linux-image-4.9.0-4-amd64
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1036 [08:05:32] <klys> awal1, also I don't want a blinknig
cursor
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1039 [08:07:20] <musca> klys: in gnome?
1040 [08:07:30] <password2> nkuttler, should i reboot afterwards?
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1042 [08:07:39] <nkuttler> password2: yes
1043 [08:07:47] <password2> ok brb
1044 [08:07:49] <nkuttler> password2: then reinstall the
virtualbox package
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1047 [08:08:57] <klys> musca, openbox.
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1054 [08:09:57] <klys> sorry about the lag it appears my system
has slowed down quite a bit.
1055 [08:10:04] <password2> seems to be doing something different
now , lets see
1056 [08:10:31] <nkuttler> password2: yes, dkms will build the
module for the running kernel, which you need the headers for
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1058 [08:11:16] <password2> yesterday night i could have sworn i
installed the headers , but i was not really paying attention to
what i was doing
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1061 [08:13:49] <password2> now i can use winamp again!
1062 [08:14:04] <nkuttler> quodlibet is much better
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1064 [08:16:08] <password2> for me winamp is perfection
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1070 [08:20:09] <musca> klys: A good collection of tips on
"How to diable blinking cursors"
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1071 [08:20:36] <klys> thx
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1082 [08:33:07] <awal1> klys, disable blinking cursor in guake?
and alt-tab for what?
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1085 [08:33:31] <klys> awal1, well since I use openbox...
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1087 [08:33:46] <awal1> klys, what?
1088 [08:33:53] <klys> awal1, I would like to maintain consistency
by using alt+tab for all my apps.
1089 [08:34:21] <awal1> klys, you mean alt-tab for display/hide
guake?
1090 [08:34:29] <klys> yes
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1092 [08:36:47] <awal1> openbox alt-tab is for cycle between apps
windows is different from what guake hot key (F12) does
1093 [08:37:19] <awal1> you may be able to do something Xdefaults;
not sure
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1095 [08:37:45] <awal1> something via Xdefaults
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1097 [08:39:37] <awal1> any key you set as a hotkey will be
"monopolized" by guake when running
1098 [08:40:22] <awal1> klys, not sure about what the
'hotkeys', of any software does exactly
1099 [08:40:45] <awal1> check docs or source code
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1102 [08:42:30] <awal1> I mean I don't know what F1 for
tilda, F12 for gnome, right Ctrl for virtualbox... does in the
background, how those softwares gets them "monopolized"
when they are running
1103 [08:42:39] <awal1> maybe someone can teach us
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1108 [08:46:45] <nik__> hi guys i need some help
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1110 [08:48:33] <nik__> i installed xfce4 on debian 9, i selected
it from the gear before logging in, i logged in but nothing changed
1111 [08:48:43] <nik__> what should i do next?
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1116 [08:51:42] <nik__> anyone some help?
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1149 [09:25:34] <awal1> klys, alt-tab as an accelerator is
reserved by your wm (openbox - via rc.xml, read at startup); you may
play with openbox and gtk (3) keyboard accelerators sources for do
what you wanted
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1152 [09:26:37] <awal1> too much work for a trivial feature, with
use, you'll find that F12 is more convenient; much better to
have it as a separate accelerator :)
1153 [09:26:38] <somiaj> nik__: what do you mean? Do you want to
run xfce4? What desktop are you currently using?
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1213 [10:14:10] <hool> Tried installing the Nvidia driver, now I
can't log in anymore. It crashes
1214 [10:15:01] <hool> With this command from the wiki apt install
linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's/[^-]*-[^-]*-//')
nvidia-driver
1215 [10:15:08] <Bushmaster> hi, seeking some help with my Debian,
when I boot it up it goes straight to command mode as oppose to GUI
log in page
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1217 [10:15:22] <somiaj> hool: is that the only command you ran?
Did you edit the xorg.conf?
1218 [10:15:35] <hool> Card is 920m
1219 [10:15:39] <somiaj> Bushmaster: do you have a display manager
isntalled?
1220 [10:15:43] <hool> No somiaj
1221 [10:15:59] <hool> It says in the wiki that it isn't
needed in stretch
1222 [10:16:00] <somiaj> hool: is this an optimus setup (intel +
nvidia dual gpu laptop)?
1223 [10:16:10] <hool> I think so
1224 [10:16:15] <somiaj> hool: ahh yea, it might not be, I still
do it out of habit.
1225 [10:16:27] <somiaj> it should have also said that this does
not work for optimus setups.
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1227 [10:16:47] <hool> Any way I can uninstall it
1228 [10:17:05] <somiaj> hool: sure, just remove the nvidia-drive
package
1229 [10:17:11] <hool> How
1230 [10:17:15] <hool> It doesn't let me boot
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1232 [10:17:26] <somiaj> hool:
replaced-url
1233 [10:17:29] <hool> It says something went wrong and just
allows log out
1234 [10:17:43] <somiaj> hool: hit ctrl-alt-f2 (that give you a
console)?
1235 [10:18:05] <hool> Yep
1236 [10:18:12] <somiaj> there ya go
1237 [10:18:14] <hool> I'm getting a dump of errors though
1238 [10:18:30] <hool> Pci express error severity corrected
1239 [10:18:44] <hool> Can't type anything in
1240 [10:18:50] <somiaj> I don't have any experience with
optimus hardware, but check out the wiki on Bumblebee
1241 [10:18:51] <hool> Still going
1242 [10:19:11] <somiaj> hool: hmm, you may need to get a recovery
image to boot off of that to fix it.
1243 [10:19:25] <hool> This was before I installed the driver
1244 [10:19:34] <hool> Still happens though
1245 [10:20:05] <Bushmaster> somiaj: i will explain to you shortly
1246 [10:20:07] <somiaj> you may have other issues that need to be
debugged, but I'm up way past my bed time, so I cna't help
much more. Best of luck
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1249 [10:20:28] <hool> Thanks somiaj
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1252 [10:23:15] <hool> Can I get some help from someone else ?
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1260 [10:31:05] <nix64bit> whats wrong?
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1266 [10:32:26] <hool> Installed a nvidia driver, now I can't
login anymore. Went into a terminal and uninstalled nvidia-driver
but it didn't help
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1270 [10:33:07] <Arahael> From my vague memory, some drivers liked
a full reboot after you unloaded them.
1271 [10:33:38] <hool> I did that
1272 [10:33:52] <hool> I just want to remove what I installed
1273 [10:34:21] <hool> Problem is I don't know what else it
installed
1274 [10:34:39] <hool> When I installed nvidia-driver
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1280 [10:40:08] <awal1> hool, apt-cache depends yourdriverpkg may
help
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1284 [10:41:13] <nix64bit> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
1285 [10:41:19] <nix64bit> might help
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1289 [10:46:37] <Arahael> How do I tell apt install to just use
the default swhen installing the package?
1290 [10:46:52] <Arahael> -y isn't quite doing it.
1291 [10:46:59] <themill> default what?
1292 [10:47:21] <Arahael> themill: Whatever it is. In this case,
pakcage e17 insists on asking me which keyboard I want.
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1295 [10:48:13] <themill> ah, so debconf prompts
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1297 [10:50:06] <Arahael> Ah, so that's what they are. Can I
avoid them?
1298 [10:50:08] <themill> DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive apt
install foo
1299 [10:50:21] <themill> or dpkg-reconfigure debconf
1300 [10:50:21] <Arahael> Perfect, thanks.
1301 [10:50:28] <Arahael> Will go with the env variable.
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1311 [10:55:33] <n4dir> doesn't seem to make much sense,
cause e17 asks you which keyboard you wanna use when first starting
it anyway
1312 [10:56:10] <n4dir> btw: i wasn't asked when i installed
e17
1313 [10:56:32] <themill> I'd have expected kb config to be
within the installation of the X packages
1314 [10:56:41] <themill> or console-setup
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1316 [10:56:51] <Ritzton> Hello
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1318 [10:58:14] <xuxx_> DO you guys know qubes os ? if yes can you
give me your opinion about this os ? thanks you
1319 [10:59:00] <bazhang> xuxx_, I think ##linux would be the
place to ask about that
1320 [10:59:02] <awal1> themill, as n4dir said, E17 (enlightenment
wm) ask for choose keyboard layout first time you log in X via e17
wm, not during apt install :P
1321 [10:59:19] <themill> sounds pretty broken
1322 [10:59:24] <awal1> Arahael, you should describe better your
"issues" and don't confuse people
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1324 [10:59:43] <xuxx_> bazhang, okey
1325 [10:59:46] <Ritzton> I am using acme-nginx for the
certificate and I have created the cronjob as it is written here
replaced-url
1326 [11:00:29] <awal1> themill, don't know if broke, but
every time I try e17 it asks; it is just how it is designed
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1330 [11:01:12] <awal1> well, I find that stupid. if my locales ar
set to es_ES, e17 should just choose spanish layout as all other
DE/WM does
1331 [11:01:48] <awal1> I never understood why it asks
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1337 [11:06:26] <n4dir> asks a shitload of questions anyway,
without asking for the keyboard it wouldn't be much different.
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1339 [11:07:26] <awal1> right
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1370 [11:29:36] <Arahael> awal1: You're the second person to
have said that this week. I do need to explain better - with
examples.
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1389 [11:39:24] <petn-randall> Ritzton: Why not use certbot and
python-certbot-nginx? It's officially supported in Debian and
also still actively developed.
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1402 [11:44:13] <Dazax> Hello
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1406 [11:45:17] <Dazax> I have a problem with a debian system
(boot failed) : /mounting /dev/ on /root/dev failed : no such file
or directory
1407 [11:45:42] <Dazax> Anyone can help me ? (I allready search on
the net, but nothing to do)
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1411 [11:47:09] <DK21> when installating debian im getting he
attempt to mount a filesystem with type ext4 in / failed
1412 [11:47:15] <DK21> fdisk -l sees the harddrives tough
1413 [11:47:39] <DK21> they also seem to get partitioned by the
installer
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1419 [11:51:55] <Iridos> DK21, after the installer finished
installing a small system and you reboot?
1420 [11:52:00] <DK21> noo
1421 [11:52:07] <DK21> when partitioing the / partition it fails
1422 [11:52:10] <DK21> with tthe error
1423 [11:52:14] <DK21> right in the installer
1424 [11:52:39] <Arahael> Dazax: That's an odd error. The
/etc/fstab might clarify what it's trying to mount.
1425 [11:53:00] <Iridos> well, the installer lets you break into a
shell an look at things
1426 [11:53:05] <Arahael> Dazax: (So we'd like to see that
too)
1427 [11:53:57] <DK21> theres noting in the fstab except the
standard things like none /run etc
1428 [11:54:17] <DK21> dmesg says sda: unknown partition table
1429 [11:54:34] <Dazax> Arahael: the /etc/fstab seems correct
(try: with /dev/mapper/x ; UUID = no result)
1430 [11:55:06] <DK21> when fdisk -l i can see the /dev/sda3
partition thats supposed to be /
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1435 [11:58:22] <DK21> maybe kernel issue? how can i show the
kernel in the installer
1436 [11:58:40] <DK21> its 3.16.0-4
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1465 [12:12:59] <Arahael> Dazax: Then I don't know, sorry.
1466 [12:13:09] <Dazax> No problem
1467 [12:13:18] <Dazax> I think the next step is.. reinstall.
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1471 [12:14:39] <Arahael> I've been spending my sunday
afternoon trying to get xrdp working. It seems to have had issues
with ipv6, so I used the stretch-backports version which seems to
work until I login. However, I'm not using systemd, and it
seems that xrdp depends on it.
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1475 [12:14:58] <Arahael> (Via pam, which apparently uses
systemd?) I'm using docker, so I can't run systemd.
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1479 [12:16:35] <jelly> Dazax: it sounds like /dev directory does
not exist in your root filesystem
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1485 [12:17:56] <jelly> Dazax: so either there has been some data
loss, or your boot loader is told to mount the wrong fs as root
1486 [12:18:02] <mdk> Hi, I don't understand why I'm not
having autogroups enabled:
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1490 [12:19:58] <mdk> Oh and cat /boot/config-`uname -r` | grep
AUTOGR gives CONFIG_SCHED_AUTOGROUP=y obviously
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1494 [12:21:42] <Dreaman> 3 parts i use swap /boot and / is a root
1495 [12:21:49] <jelly> Dazax: mount your root fs someplace, mkdir
/path/to/mountpoint/dev, or do it from initramfs shell
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1526 [12:31:24] <Ritzton> petn-randall> acme-nginx is working
fine by command line, but I don't know why it is doing this
with the crontab, because it is not executed as root ?
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1535 [12:33:32] <Ritzton> petn-randall: I think I found acme-nginx
on letsencrypt website
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1537 [12:34:55] <bloxor> Ive been trying to figure out why my
minimal debian installation won't type / when i press shift+7,
it's configured to qwertz. tried different keyboards, still
nothing. any ideas?
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1539 [12:36:08] <beardy> bloxor: Wrong keymap.
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1541 [12:36:40] <beardy> bloxor: But, where, in X or consoles?
1542 [12:36:48] <zokum> in norway, loadkeys no-latin1 tends to fix
this
1543 [12:37:04] <bloxor> console
1544 [12:37:22] <Ritzton> petn-randall: the yes it was on this
page
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1545 [12:37:24] <beardy> !keymap
1546 [12:37:25] <dpkg> Run "dpkg-reconfigure
keyboard-configuration" to change both your default console and
X keymap; the setxkbmap utility can be used to adjust keymap
settings during X operation. For setting up X keymaps, see xkeycaps,
xev and ask me about <multimedia keys>.
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1548 [12:37:49] <bloxor> thanks a lot, trying all that now
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1553 [12:39:54] <beardy> bloxor: I'm guessing that qwertz in
this case might be US layout witj only y and z swapped? So yeah..
try a keymap named after country instead if you find the right one
for you.
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1556 [12:40:23] * JustASlacker nods
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1559 [12:40:45] <JustASlacker> y and z is swapped on german
language keyboards
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1561 [12:40:48] <JustASlacker> among others
1562 [12:41:05] <JustASlacker> great way to get confused if
password contains z or y
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1565 [12:41:26] <gun1x> hey guys
1566 [12:41:33] <gun1x> any way to configure xinerama on debian 9
?
1567 [12:41:39] <gun1x> as in, have two monitors act as one
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1571 [12:42:25] <gun1x> also, i can't find the x11 config
file
1572 [12:42:35] <gun1x> in theory i could set xinerama to 1 there
1573 [12:42:36] <beardy> !xrandr
1574 [12:42:36] <dpkg> i guess xrandr is a command-line interface
to the <RandR> extension; used to set the screen size,
orientation and/or reflection.
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1575 [12:42:37] <gun1x> but can't find it
1576 [12:42:38] <beardy> !randr
1577 [12:42:49] <altker128> Anyone here set up restyaboard?
1578 [12:42:52] <bloxor> ok, so im now on German keyboard layout,
still nothing :/
1579 [12:43:11] <banna> Hey guys tell me how i can open a libre
office file in window
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1581 [12:43:23] <JustASlacker> bloxor: what do you get
1582 [12:43:32] <gun1x> beardy: from the link, Once the
configuration file (xorg.conf) is updated
1583 [12:43:38] <gun1x> i can't find the xorg.conf file
1584 [12:43:41] <bloxor> just a 7, Shift+7 is supposed to be /
1585 [12:44:03] <beardy> gun1x: There isn't one since.. 10
years? But you can place one where it should be located.
1586 [12:44:15] <gun1x> beardy: good news. where should it be
located?
1587 [12:44:24] <beardy> .xorg.conf
1588 [12:44:27] <beardy> !xorg.conf
1589 [12:44:27] <dpkg> From Debian 5.0 "Lenny" onwards,
xorg mostly configures itself. Resolution is set by your
monitor/graphics card (unless they're broken), by your desktop
environment or <xrandr>. From Debian 6.0 "Squeeze",
input hotplugging saves duplicating settings and restarting X after
changes. The /etc/X11/xorg.conf file is usually no longer needed and
is often blank. Manual configuration is still possible, see <xorg
manual config>.
1590 [12:45:02] <gun1x> so it's /home/user/.xorg.conf?
1591 [12:45:07] <gun1x> i'll try that now
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1593 [12:45:14] <gun1x> exporting from nvidia panel to that
1594 [12:45:23] <gun1x> works on stretch, yes? doesn't have
any conflict with wayland?
1595 [12:45:49] <beardy> gun1x: No.. /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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1597 [12:47:00] <beardy> !xorg manual config
1598 [12:47:01] <dpkg> From Debian 5.0 "Lenny" onwards,
you can often use an <empty xorg.conf>. To configure your
keyboard layout for both X and console, run «dpkg-reconfigure
keyboard-configuration». If you have further things you wish
to configure, use "X -configure" ("X -configure
:1" if server is already active) to produce a xorg.conf
template. See also <xorg hal>.
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1602 [12:49:03] <gun1x> beardy: i placed the config at
/etc/X11/xorg.conf and rebooted ... however, i still don't have
the image split on both monitors
1603 [12:49:10] <gun1x> i have a feeling this didn't work
1604 [12:49:14] <gun1x> checking nvidia config now ...
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1607 [12:49:46] <gun1x> beardy: nope, it didn't ... i still
get Option "Xinerama" "0"
1608 [12:50:28] <lololo> Hello, I'm having trouble with
booting kernel with custom initrd, here is some info:
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1609 [12:50:48] <DK21> so, how can i get my firmware.cpio into the
initrd.gz?
1610 [12:51:32] <beardy> gun1x: Don't reboot.. just restart
X/your display manager..
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1612 [12:51:50] <gun1x> beardy: why, does it work better if you
only restart the X display manager?
1613 [12:52:00] <gun1x> beardy: how do i restart the x display
manager?
1614 [12:52:19] <Tarrasquero> gun1x: install arandr
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1617 [12:52:39] <beardy> gun1x: It's silly and unecessary to
reboot in that case.
1618 [12:52:58] <gun1x> beardy: i have 3 SSDs in stripe, my system
reboots in... 2 seconds ?
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1621 [12:53:26] <gun1x> Tarrasquero: did you try arandr with
nvidia and steam games?
1622 [12:54:23] <beardy> gun1x: 'systemctl restart ?dm'
depending on which one you use.
1623 [12:54:29] <Tarrasquero> no my intel
1624 [12:54:59] <banna> ???????????
1625 [12:55:12] <gun1x> beardy: gdm
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1627 [12:55:15] <Tarrasquero> sry bad ingles
1628 [12:57:07] <gun1x> beardy: thank you for the advice ... i did
that and the system froze so bad i had to forcefully reboot :D
1629 [12:57:31] <lololo> Eh... guys... can you help me a little
bit? :/
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1632 [12:58:43] <Tarrasquero> !?
1633 [12:59:13] <lololo> Tarrasquero: As I said prevoiusly:
"Hello, I'm having trouble with booting kernel with custom
initrd, here is some info:
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1634 [12:59:50] <lololo> tl;dr: I'm booting into initrd as
root fs and kernel complains about VFS
1635 [13:00:34] <lololo> on local vbox and remote kvm machine it
was working just fine
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1637 [13:02:20] <Tarrasquero> lololo: you tried mode rescue?
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1640 [13:04:32] <lololo> Tarrasquero: You see, the problem is that
I want to overwrite the drive. I can't use rescue because I
want to remove the currently installed OS
1641 [13:04:43] <lololo> So that's why I'm using this
method of booting
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1643 [13:05:08] <lololo> And as I said: It worked on other hosts,
this vm just has some problems
1644 [13:05:15] <Tarrasquero> check the assembly point
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1646 [13:05:46] <lololo> Tarrasquero: Uh?
1647 [13:07:03] <Tarrasquero> and the choroot?
1648 [13:08:20] <lololo> Tarrasquero: I'm sorry I dont really
know what are you talking about, are you talking about the step
where I'm creating custom initrd?
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1653 [13:10:04] <Tarrasquero> can you start a livecd?
1654 [13:10:21] <Tarrasquero> liveusb?
1655 [13:10:26] <lololo> Tarrasquero: No I can't. If I could
I would just use netinstall iso
1656 [13:10:48] <lololo> Tarrasquero: It's remote host in
VMWare hypervisor
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1658 [13:11:16] <lololo> I cant plug anything into it, I can only
edit grub entries, control boot and connect via VNC
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1660 [13:11:46] <Tarrasquero> hmmmm
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1662 [13:12:18] <Tarrasquero> sry
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1664 [13:12:42] <lololo> Tarrasquero: Please read more carefully
:p
1665 [13:13:20] <Tarrasquero> :)
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1669 [13:14:48] <lololo> Tarrasquero: Well... so do you have any
ideas on fixinf this?
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1671 [13:15:59] <Tarrasquero> remotely is complicated
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1673 [13:16:46] <lololo> Tarrasquero: Yea, but I did it two times
now, I just want any hint on how to debug why it's not working
in vmware D:
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1676 [13:18:13] <Tarrasquero> forgive, I do not use vmware
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1678 [13:19:45] <lololo> Tarrasquero: No problem
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1682 [13:23:17] <tdn> I am about to set up a wordpress site. What
are best practices for doing this in a secure manner on Debian 9?
Should I use the one packaged with debian or the official .tar.gz
from wordpress.com? What post install steps should I take to secure
it and keep it secure?
1683 [13:23:36] <apollo13> preferably don't install it at all
:D
1684 [13:23:44] * JustASlacker nods
1685 [13:24:00] <JustASlacker> maybe ask #wordpress ?
1686 [13:24:12] <JustASlacker> Id imagine the debian packets are
outdated
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1688 [13:24:25] <JustASlacker> better use the official ones
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1691 [13:24:43] <introom> hi
1692 [13:24:50] <introom> what's the tex-info package for
this:
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1693 [13:24:57] <JustASlacker> to keep it secure, block port
80/443 via firewalld
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1695 [13:25:47] <introom> lololo: is that running fine without
kvm?
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1697 [13:26:09] <JustASlacker> introom: 404
1698 [13:26:51] <introom> if so, due to the ahci change, you may
try qemu with different version, just regress back to qemu 2.6, 2.5,
etc. '-machine-id' is fair enough. this is a known
incompatibility issue on VMWARE.
1699 [13:26:58] <introom> JustASlacker:
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1701 [13:27:01] <introom> the c preprocessor.
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1708 [13:29:10] <tdn> JustASlacker, Ok. Thought so
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1710 [13:29:52] <tdn> apollo13, what would you recommend instead?
I want something that will let me set up a site within just a few
hours.
1711 [13:29:55] <Iridos> uh, if things are packaged for debian, I
would use the package first
1712 [13:30:09] <apollo13> tdn: anything which creates a static
site (ie a set of html files)
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1715 [13:30:23] <introom> cpp-doc. there we go.
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1718 [13:30:38] <Iridos> make sure you read
/usr/share/doc/wordpress/README* after installing it
1719 [13:32:14] <lololo> introom: It should be, at least in
virtualbox it was working fine, i overwrote ubuntu using this
method.
1720 [13:32:21] <JustASlacker>
replaced-url
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1723 [13:33:25] <JustASlacker> apollo13: tdn ^
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1725 [13:34:23] <introom> does virtualbox has kvm support. I am
outdated...
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1728 [13:35:03] <apollo13> vbox and kvm conflict and can't be
used at the same time if that is what you are asking
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1749 [13:45:38] <Lullu> Hi everyone, I have updated nextcloud on
my vps server (debian 8), the installation stopped in middle so I
restarted my vps server, but after that whenever I type sudo command
I get error msg "sudo: unable to resolve host server" (I
have FQDN) also my eggdrop, postfix and my domain is not working, I
have tried to change the hostname & hosts file on debian, but no
luck. any help please?
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1761 [13:53:33] <Tarrasquero> Lullu: su? apt-get install -f
1762 [13:53:58] <dutchfish> Lullu, have you thoroughly read
through /var/log/aptterm.log to see what happened and if there were
errors in regards to package updates or hold backs?
1763 [13:54:17] <Lullu> Tarrasquero: yes tried that as well
1764 [13:54:20] <dutchfish> correction: /var/log/apt/term.log
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1766 [13:55:03] <lololo> introom: No, vbox has no kvm support, and
please read what i pasted on pastebin (link in previous messages, if
you want i can paste it here again). I tested this on: local vbox
instance (replaced ubuntu with debian), remote KVM VPS (replaced
outdated debian and changed entire partition layout) and now Iwanted
to the same with this VMWare based VPS where I can't mount
anything into virtual cd-rom.
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1771 [13:56:07] <Lullu> dutchfish: i have already resolved the
package update issue, but now i am only having host resolve issue.
it was working all fine before nextcloud installation.
1772 [13:56:51] <gpunk> have you rebooted since you
"finished" the installations ? Lullu
1773 [13:57:22] <Lullu> gpunk Yes
1774 [13:57:54] <gpunk> what's in your /etc/resolv.conf ?
1775 [13:58:42] <lololo> gpunk: It has nothing to do with DNS, I
had simmilar problem on my VPS but after changing machine hostname
using hostnamectl
1776 [13:59:02] <Lullu> nameserver 80.80.80.80 nameserver
80.80.81.81
1777 [13:59:14] <Lullu> i have tried the google nameserver as well
1778 [13:59:41] <lololo> Lullu: Check what "systemctl startus
WEBSERVER -l" is giving you (or any other service that is not
running)
1779 [13:59:58] <lololo> Lullu: *has problems with running
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1781 [14:00:17] <dutchfish> Lullu, what dos `ip a` tells you and
`ip route` ?
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1783 [14:00:42] <dutchfish> s/dos/does
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1785 [14:00:58] <lololo> Lullu: And stop tweaking DNS'es
it's not a DNS issue nor route problem if you can ping or
connect via ssh
1786 [14:00:59] <DerLG> foro a moment i forgot what chat i was in
1787 [14:01:14] <lololo> introom: U there?
1788 [14:01:15] <Lullu> Unknown operation 'startus'.
1789 [14:01:27] <gpunk> status *
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1792 [14:01:33] <lololo> Lullu: typo, try with status
1793 [14:01:35] <RoyK> Lullu: do you have general network access,
or are you logged into a console of sorts? can you try "host
google.com 8.8.8.8" ?
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1795 [14:01:58] <Lullu> Failed to get D-Bus connection: No such
file or directory
1796 [14:02:19] <lololo> Lullu: Great, now google this issue : )
1797 [14:02:21] <RoyK> Lullu: some ISPs may block DNS lookups to
others servers than their own, or safety
1798 [14:02:42] <Lullu> royK:TBH i have no idea, i am new to
Linux, All I Know is i have got vps :)
1799 [14:02:50] <gpunk> Lullu: can you try this systemctl status
dbus ?
1800 [14:02:54] <Tarrasquero> systemctl status dbus
1801 [14:03:00] <RoyK> Lullu: can you ssh into it?
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1805 [14:03:23] <Lullu> getting same erre Tarrasquero
1806 [14:03:29] <Lullu> yes RoyK
1807 [14:03:36] <Lullu> error*
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1809 [14:04:19] <RoyK> Lullu: if it's just installed and
something went wrong, perhaps time to just reinstall it?
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1812 [14:04:48] <lololo> Lullu: Try: " systemctl start dbus;
systemctl status dbus -l"
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1814 [14:05:00] <Lullu> hmm what if i just uninstall nexycloud?
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1816 [14:05:32] <Lullu> lololo: same error message
1817 [14:05:55] <Lullu> Failed to get D-Bus connection: No such
file or directory
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1820 [14:06:21] <gpunk> systemctl restart dbus ?
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1822 [14:06:59] <introom> lololo:
replaced-url
1823 [14:07:04] <Lullu> no gpunk same eror again
1824 [14:07:06] <introom> that picture? are you using virtio?
1825 [14:07:27] <introom> lololo: like I said, try use -machine-id
with qemu 2.6, or before and see if its ok.
1826 [14:07:38] <gpunk> Lullu: I think you need to reinstall your
server
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1828 [14:07:55] <Tarrasquero> systemctl start dbus
1829 [14:08:01] <Lullu> oh dear, :(
1830 [14:08:19] <introom> lololo:
replaced-url
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1832 [14:08:33] <Tarrasquero> systemctl enable dbus *
1833 [14:08:39] <Lullu> Tarrasquero: Failed to start dbus.service:
Unit dbus.service failed to load: No such file or directory
1834 [14:08:51] <gpunk> somthing went wrong during the install ...
files are missing
1835 [14:08:54] <Tarrasquero> *enable*
1836 [14:09:12] <Lullu> hmm
1837 [14:09:18] <Tarrasquero> systemctl enable dbus *
1838 [14:09:23] <lololo> introom: What are you talking about? The
problem is NOT in KVM, the problem ___is on REMOTE HOST___ running
*VMWARE*. Sidenote: In qemu/KVM it is *working*
1839 [14:09:47] <Lullu> Tarrasquero: got same error
1840 [14:10:06] <Tarrasquero> oO
1841 [14:10:18] <gpunk> how about "apt reinstall dbus"
if you see what I mean
1842 [14:10:21] <lololo> Lullu: You have to get systemd to stop
trying to call dbus, also try reinstalling dbus (apt install
--reinstall dbus)
1843 [14:10:29] <Lullu> let me try
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1846 [14:11:33] <introom> lololo: oh. sorry. thought you were
doing a nested virtualization, like running qemu/kvm under vmware,
which happens to have a bug.
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1848 [14:12:24] <Lullu> nopes
1849 [14:13:09] <Lullu> it's downloading
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1851 [14:13:33] <Tarrasquero> Lullu: sudo dbus-test-tool?
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1854 [14:14:14] <Lullu> sudo: dbus-test-tool: command not found
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1856 [14:14:30] <Tarrasquero> :O
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1858 [14:14:43] <gpunk> did it finish downloading/installing dbus
?
1859 [14:14:48] <Lullu> yes
1860 [14:14:55] <gpunk> retry a restart
1861 [14:14:58] <gpunk> of dbus
1862 [14:15:08] <Lullu> ok
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1864 [14:15:34] <Lullu> Failed to execute operation: No such file
or directory
1865 [14:16:29] <lololo> introom: Basically the solution to my
problem is in short: get debian net install cd to load from HD
(using Grub of installed OS). (which is what I'm trying to do
by using custom initrd and extracted kernel from that iso
1866 [14:16:38] <lololo> Lullu: Just reboot this machine
1867 [14:17:14] <Lullu> lololo: I have restared it 3 times. :(
1868 [14:17:26] <gpunk> yes , but you need to , after reinstalling
dbus
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1870 [14:17:35] <Lullu> ok
1871 [14:18:11] <lololo> Lull: Just curious, are sure you're
not running systemctl from *normal* user?
1872 [14:18:38] <lololo> Lullu: ^
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1875 [14:18:54] <Lullu> lololo: yes i am sure, sudo systemctl
enable restart
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1879 [14:19:06] <gpunk> so sudo works ?
1880 [14:19:26] <lololo> gpunk: Sudo always works, it was just
complaing about hostname
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1882 [14:19:47] <gpunk> i thaught it wasnt ...
1883 [14:19:47] <Lullu> yes sudo workd but getting unable to
resolve host server error
1884 [14:19:58] <Lullu> works*
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1886 [14:20:40] <Tarrasquero> sudo apt-get install build−dep
dbus?
1887 [14:21:01] <gpunk> hold on we are waiting for a reboot :)
1888 [14:21:29] <Lullu> rebooted but same error: Failed to execute
operation: No such file or directory
1889 [14:21:30] <Tarrasquero> sry : sudo apt-get build−dep
dbus?
1890 [14:21:41] <Lullu> ok Tarrasquero
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1892 [14:22:28] <lololo> Can you teel me what: stat /bin/init is
giving you?
1893 [14:22:52] <lololo> Lullu: ^
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1895 [14:23:34] <gpunk> i'd try to reinstall this too
dbus-user-session
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1900 [14:24:54] <Lullu> init: No such file or directory
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1902 [14:25:23] <Lullu> Unable to locate package build-dep
1903 [14:25:35] <Tarrasquero> Lullu: echo
$DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS
1904 [14:25:38] <RoyK> Lullu: just reinstall the thing - probably
easier
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1906 [14:26:09] <Lullu> Tarrasquero: just blank
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1908 [14:26:18] <Lullu> RoyK: guess you are right
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1910 [14:26:38] <gpunk> we could reinstall this too systemd-sysv
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1912 [14:26:49] <dutchfish> Make sure you have a stic ip assigned
before you run the install again!
1913 [14:26:57] <dutchfish> static*
1914 [14:27:09] <Lullu> yeah sure
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1919 [14:28:19] <Lullu> well, Thank you so much guys for all your
help, time to reinstall and start from zero again. :(
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1921 [14:28:38] <gpunk> dont worry , that s how we all learned ;)
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1924 [14:28:52] <Lullu> lol, true.
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1926 [14:30:34] <Iridos> or did we
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1930 [14:31:48] <Tarrasquero> Lullu: echo XDG_RUNTIME_DIR?
1931 [14:32:02] <Tarrasquero> Lullu: echo $XDG_RUNTIME_DIR sry
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1933 [14:34:37] <Tarrasquero> easier printevn lol
1934 [14:35:23] <Tarrasquero> easier printenv* lol
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1937 [14:37:57] <Lullu> Tarrasquero: not displaying anything.
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1940 [14:39:26] <Tarrasquero> :O
1941 [14:39:43] <Tarrasquero> Lullu: bad
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1943 [14:40:16] <Lullu> backuping up home folder &
reinstalling :)
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1946 [14:40:57] <Lullu> and I am not going to install Nextcloud
again...never :P
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1949 [14:42:16] <Tarrasquero> Environment bad
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1957 [14:44:29] <lololo> Lullu: I think that it has something to
do with using really old system.
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1959 [14:44:42] <lololo> Lullu just use debian 9...
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1962 [14:46:43] <Lullu> lololo: I'll definitely install
Debian 9 now.
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1986 [14:57:41] <piyush-kurur> any one managed to get X1 Carbon
5th Gen working with debian stable. Everything works but for grub
installation.
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1988 [14:59:20] <piyush-kurur> I even tried getting a root shell
and doing the update-grub sequence
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1990 [14:59:56] <piyush-kurur> it seems to me that efibootmgr is
not able to update the boot sequence.
1991 [15:00:11] <Tarrasquero> piyush-kurur:
replaced-url
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2002 [15:03:12] <piyush-kurur> Tarrasquero: it seems to me
efibootmgr is not able to update the boot sequence. What should I be
looking for
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2007 [15:06:10] <Tarrasquero> what hard disk capacity does it
have?
2008 [15:06:24] <piyush-kurur> SSD drive about 512 GB
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2011 [15:06:55] <piyush-kurur> I tried the legacy bios as well
where grub installation goes fine
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2014 [15:07:24] <Tarrasquero> revisa las opciones del bios seccion
uefi
2015 [15:07:25] <piyush-kurur> but then the grub menu never apears
2016 [15:07:38] <Tarrasquero> review the bios options uefi section
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2020 [15:08:32] <dutchfish> piyush-kurur, is there a secure boot
option in your bios, if so, what setting does it have?
2021 [15:08:35] <piyush-kurur> okey I will look into it. (Note I
have disabled Secure boo)
2022 [15:08:53] <piyush-kurur> duckydan: secure boot is disabled
2023 [15:09:32] <dutchfish> piyush-kurur, was it during install?
2024 [15:09:45] <piyush-kurur> as suggested by
replaced-url
2025 [15:10:14] <piyush-kurur> dutchfish: I disabled it first and
then booted the usb installation
2026 [15:10:50] <dutchfish> piyush-kurur, ok. Next, does it have
enough free space?
2027 [15:11:06] <dutchfish> (UEFI)
2028 [15:11:10] <piyush-kurur> dutchfish: you mean the efi
partition
2029 [15:11:12] <piyush-kurur> ?
2030 [15:11:15] <dutchfish> yes
2031 [15:11:37] <piyush-kurur> I remember puting about 512 MB is
that enough ?
2032 [15:12:11] <dutchfish> piyush-kurur, that depends totally (if
you want a dual boot system) what the other OS has claimed
2033 [15:12:13] <piyush-kurur> dutchfish: I think I have fried the
original uefi partition which has windows boot loader I guess that
is fine (I do not care about windows)
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2035 [15:12:42] <piyush-kurur> No I do not want dual boot only
Debian for me
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2039 [15:14:13] <dutchfish> piyush-kurur, you could then manually
add a debian boot line inside your bios for the bootlaoder to load,
leave the efi partition intact, i assume you have made a backup
before you started.
2040 [15:15:06] <piyush-kurur> you mean I can do it from the bios
?
2041 [15:15:11] <dutchfish> yes
2042 [15:15:28] <piyush-kurur> let me try will get back to you
2043 [15:15:41] <dutchfish> gl, and be carefull
2044 [15:15:47] <piyush-kurur> one more question the fonts are
pretty small
2045 [15:15:50] <RoyK> 512MB for the EFI partition seems to me
rather overkill
2046 [15:15:58] <piyush-kurur> is there any way to make it bigger
2047 [15:16:01] <piyush-kurur> ?
2048 [15:16:29] <dutchfish> piyush-kurur, not easely, but it can
be done
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2050 [15:16:40] <dutchfish> piyush-kurur, first check if you need
that
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2052 [15:17:04] <piyush-kurur> Okey let me try. Thanks all of you
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2055 [15:17:35] <dutchfish> piyush-kurur, most of the time the
installer chokes not at that part, but at adding the newly created
boot option in the bios as a valid option (you can do that manually)
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2104 [15:46:46] <piyush-kurur> dutchfish: sorry did not work. I
mean the bios setup does not seem to have any way to add a line
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2106 [15:47:07] <piyush-kurur> I tried booting in the rescue mode
and doing the efibootmgr by hand
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2111 [15:47:35] <dutchfish> piyush-kurur, ok
2112 [15:47:46] <piyush-kurur> even that does not seem to work
(saying something like boot variables are impossible to update)
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2116 [15:48:17] <piyush-kurur> is legacy boot an option ? (Since I
do not care about dual boot and I do not have a +2TB drive
2117 [15:48:28] <dutchfish> piyush-kurur, you are using the Debian
stable installer?
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2120 [15:48:46] <piyush-kurur> yeah + firmware for wifi on a
separate disk
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2122 [15:48:53] <dutchfish> ok
2123 [15:49:12] <piyush-kurur> every thing works because I
chrooted to the installed system but for grub
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2128 [15:50:39] <dutchfish> piyush-kurur, what hardware you are
exactly using?
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2130 [15:50:54] <dutchfish> piyush-kurur, make and model?
2131 [15:50:56] <piyush-kurur> X1 Carbon 5th Gen
2132 [15:51:00] <piyush-kurur> Lenovo
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2139 [15:53:35] <dutchfish> piyush-kurur, do you get the error:
prefix not set thing?
2140 [15:53:46] <dutchfish> (on boot)
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2146 [15:55:21] <piyush-kurur> dutchfish: I get a Lenovo flash
image and then some menu choose a device.
2147 [15:55:31] <piyush-kurur> Except that not choice there wors
2148 [15:55:36] <piyush-kurur> *works
2149 [15:55:47] <piyush-kurur> This is if I do not enter setup
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2151 [15:56:07] <piyush-kurur> There is no error message at all
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2154 [15:56:32] <dutchfish> piyush-kurur, ok
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2160 [15:57:43] <dutchfish> piyush-kurur, then apprently the efi
file is not in place, see:
replaced-url
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2163 [15:59:07] <dutchfish> piyush-kurur, but beofre doing that,
check if you can find it in the wrong place
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2166 [15:59:24] <dutchfish> piyush-kurur, in the efi partition
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2172 [16:01:13] <dutchfish> piyush-kurur, also
replaced-url
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2178 [16:02:36] <dutchfish> piyush-kurur, is your system GPT?
2179 [16:04:03] <piyush-kurur> Yes I think so.
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2181 [16:04:18] <piyush-kurur> I will boot into rescue and check
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2204 [16:11:43] <piyush-kurur> dutchfish: it is GPT, I confirmed
with parted
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2206 [16:12:02] <dutchfish> piyush-kurur, ok, read up the last
link i pasted
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2208 [16:12:12] <piyush-kurur> yeah okey I will try it
2209 [16:12:18] <dutchfish> piyush-kurur, thats your problem
2210 [16:12:27] <piyush-kurur> I guess the summary is move to mbr
?
2211 [16:12:48] <dutchfish> piyush-kurur, yes, so grub can write
too it
2212 [16:13:22] <piyush-kurur> dutchfish: but I thought uefi needs
gpt partitions no ?
2213 [16:13:35] <piyush-kurur> or was a confusing some thing
2214 [16:13:37] <piyush-kurur> ?
2215 [16:13:55] <dutchfish> piyush-kurur, read that link, it
explains legacy boot
2216 [16:14:01] <piyush-kurur> okey thanks
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2218 [16:14:13] <dutchfish> yw
2219 [16:14:14] <piyush-kurur> If it works you are my god
2220 [16:14:19] <piyush-kurur> ;-)
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2222 [16:16:28] <mirak> I have issues with running efibootmgr in
chroot
2223 [16:16:28] <mirak> it seems not in sync with what is inside
or outside the chroot
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2229 [16:21:14] <dutchfish> mirak, have you tried (as root) `sync
&& sync` ?
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2231 [16:21:52] <dutchfish> mirak, its a deferred write, possibly.
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2233 [16:22:21] <mirak> dutchfish, ok
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2236 [16:24:05] <mirak> dutchfish, i don't really see how,
because with chroot it's the same kernel and same file system
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2238 [16:24:37] <dutchfish> mirak, but a different container space
....
2239 [16:25:20] <mirak> true, but i have 3 chroot right now
2240 [16:25:26] <mirak> they all see the same thing
2241 [16:25:33] <dutchfish> mirak, this is just all a wild gues,
since i have no idea what you are trying to do.
2242 [16:25:37] <mirak> but the non chroot host doesn't see
the changes
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2244 [16:25:54] <mirak> dutchfish, I just run grub-install inside
chroot on uefi system
2245 [16:25:56] <lololo> introom: I found a solution! :D I
couldn't get custom initramfs to work, but I got grub to boot
ISO from HD, so when debian installer dropped me into a shell
(because it couldnt mount cdrom because it's not existing) i
tried to use wget, guess what, it works! So, now i can download
debian net install iso into / of this "booted" system and
use mount -o loop /debian.iso /cdrom :D
2246 [16:26:11] <mirak> dutchfish, the i check with efibootmgr
2247 [16:26:15] <mirak> dutchfish, then i check with efibootmgr
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2251 [16:27:41] <dutchfish> mirak, i have no clue, sorry
2252 [16:28:00] <lololo> introom: FML... networking is not working
on that level :|
2253 [16:29:13] <dutchfish> mirak, first things to check is libc6
differences and all the dependecies for a base install, if one
doesnt match .....
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2256 [16:30:13] <mirak> ok
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2259 [16:30:26] <introom> wish you good luck. ;).
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2289 [16:43:54] <dvs> boo!
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2395 [17:29:50] <_abc_> Hello. Can someone look what version of
wings3d is in jessie? Am not on debian now.
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2398 [17:30:48] <LtL> ,v wings3d
2399 [17:30:49] <judd> Package: wings3d on amd64 -- wheezy:
1.4.1-4; jessie: 1.5.3-2+b1; stretch: 2.1.5-1; buster: 2.1.5-3; sid:
2.1.5-3
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2401 [17:31:07] <mnuhmnuh> apt-cache policy ...
2402 [17:31:31] <LtL> _abc_: jessie: 1.5.3-2+b1
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2443 [17:58:38] <_abc_> Thanks.
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2445 [17:58:51] <_abc_> Is art of illusion also present? What
version?
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2447 [17:58:53] <_abc_> ,v aoi
2448 [17:58:54] <judd> No package named 'aoi' was found
in amd64.
2449 [17:58:58] <_abc_> oops
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2451 [17:59:53] <_abc_> I have aoi on etch (haha) it's v2.8.1
from ~2010 ?
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2456 [18:00:57] <_abc_> aoi license is GPL 2 should be in debian
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2459 [18:01:41] <_abc_> It is a java program, requires some
version of java installed.
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2463 [18:02:47] <jelly> judd: bug rm aoi
2464 [18:02:49] <judd> Sorry, no removal reasons were found.
2465 [18:02:58] <_abc_> hm
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2469 [18:03:23] <_abc_> current is v3.0.3, Dec. 12, 2016
2470 [18:03:33] <jhutchins> _abc_: Possibly not from debian?
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2472 [18:03:45] <_abc_> Maybe I installed it manually. No idea. 8
years ago...
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2474 [18:04:08] <_abc_> Last touched the launcher shell script in
2011
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2480 [18:04:55] <_abc_> Anyway, it's just a java program
launched by a .sh file. No problems installing it from
'source'
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2489 [18:07:39] <_abc_> wings3d.org is a domain squatter, btw.
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2505 [18:12:44] <_abc_> ,v freecad
2506 [18:12:45] <judd> Package: freecad on amd64 --
wheezy-backports: 0.14.3702+dfsg-3~bpo70+1; jessie:
0.14.3702+dfsg-3; jessie-backports: 0.16+dfsg2-1~bpo8+1; stretch:
0.16+dfsg2-3; sid: 0.16.6712+dfsg1-1+b2
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2508 [18:12:55] <_abc_> interesting.
2509 [18:13:10] <_abc_> ,v blender
2510 [18:13:11] <judd> Package: blender on amd64 -- wheezy:
2.63a-1+deb7u1; jessie: 2.72.b+dfsg0-3; jessie-backports:
2.74+dfsg0-4~bpo8+1; stretch: 2.78.a+dfsg0-4; buster: 2.79+dfsg0-3;
sid: 2.79+dfsg0-3
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2512 [18:13:32] <somiaj> _abc_: you can /msg judd v blah
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2618 [18:56:55] <Razva> hey guys! is there any way to boot the
Debian installer (NOT the Debian OS!) with a +4.11 kernel? I'm
trying to install it on a MacBook Pro 2016 and the NVME is detected
by +4.11 kernels... :\
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2626 [19:02:06] <rawruw> df
2627 [19:02:18] <Razva> rawruw: ?
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2630 [19:03:34] <rawruw> Razva: modern debian disk image on an
usb-stick and then boot the installer from there?
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2632 [19:04:08] <Razva> rawruw: yeah but it seems that the latest
Debian installer uses 4.9
2633 [19:04:16] <rawruw> Razva: if the 4.11 kernel isn't in a
new debian image, maybe one of the experimental/unstable debians
will work?
2634 [19:04:17] <Razva> I need 4.11 or newer :\
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2641 [19:06:13] <rawruw> Razva: another linux dist is also
possible :P
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2643 [19:06:34] <rawruw> but.. are you sure you can't just
install a driver or something? apt install driver
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2647 [19:08:55] <rawruw> Razva: #archlinux
2648 [19:09:01] <rawruw> they're using 4.13
2649 [19:09:16] <Razva> installer is still on 4.9 I think
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2651 [19:09:36] <lololo> Ok, I'm done with tweaking initrd on
my own, can anyone help me with that? I'm getting kernel panic
"failed to execute /init (error -2)" but init *is there*
and I'm *sure it's accessible* What am I doing wrong? I
only added ONE FILE to the initrd image and it stopped working.
2652 [19:09:42] <Razva> I think I found a patch, but I need to
boot the installer with some args. any hints on how to do it?
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2656 [19:10:09] <Razva> quoting "you'll need the
following kernel param to boot properly: intremap=nosid"
2657 [19:10:16] <petn-randall> Razva: You could boot the buster
installer, and use debootstrap to install a stable with a backports
kernel.
2658 [19:10:27] <Razva> so I need to boot the installer, from the
USB, with "intremap=nosid"
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2660 [19:10:40] <petn-randall> Razva: It's not that trivial,
though, since you have to do all the partitioning and grub
installation by hand.
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2662 [19:10:43] <petn-randall> !debootstrap
2663 [19:10:43] <dpkg> debootstrap can create a basic Debian
system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a
<chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a
Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>.
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2665 [19:11:26] <mnuhmnuh> lololo: when you solve it, let me know.
i've a box that panics on everything i try to install on it.
hardware! ptheh.
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2670 [19:13:21] <jelly> Razva: try devel builds of d-i
2671 [19:13:27] <lololo> Is here any debian dev online?
2672 [19:13:38] <Razva> jelly: ?
2673 [19:13:44] <Razva> devel ISOs?
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2680 [19:14:51] <jelly> !testing installer
2681 [19:14:51] <dpkg> Repeat after me: the testing installer is
for testing the <installer>, not for installing
<testing>. To install testing, do a minimal installation using
the <stable> installer and ask me about
<stable->testing>. Installer bugs should be filed against
the debian-installer pseudopackage.
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2683 [19:16:02] <lololo> Hint: debian-installer is a total shit, I
learned it yesterday.
2684 [19:16:17] <petn-randall> lololo: Probably a around hundred,
but how would that help you?
2685 [19:16:23] * Razva is processing
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2689 [19:17:09] <Razva> ok so the testing installer is some kind
of Alpha installer for debian stable?
2690 [19:17:21] <lololo> petn-randall: Because maybe someone will
tell me why my method of making custom initrd for booting net
install cd stopped working.
2691 [19:17:38] <Razva> petn-randall: am I right or wrong?
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2693 [19:18:21] <petn-randall> lololo: Probably because a lot of
things changes in the testing installer. Why are you customizing it
in the first place?
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2700 [19:20:42] <lololo> petn-randall: Are you sure that
you're replying to the right person? I'm not using testing
installer, I'm trying to make net install work while being
booted from HD instead of cd-rom (I'm installing debian on
remote host VM (VMWare guest) and I have only VNC access to that
VM). So I'm trying to make initrd that includes debian iso
which for some reason debian installer needs to have.
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2703 [19:21:56] <petn-randall> lololo: And your method worked
before, and now stopped working?
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2705 [19:24:02] <lololo> petn-randall: Also, "error -2"
as I remember menas that for some reason file cannot be accessed,
and that makes totaly no sense, init is include in that image, I
even unpacked it and it is there. ;;;; Yes, I replaced Ubuntu in
vbox and other debian installtion in KVM yesterday.
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2707 [19:24:23] <petn-randall> lololo: You didn't answer my
question, though.
2708 [19:24:41] <petn-randall> lololo: Did your method (whatever
it is) work before for the debian installer, and now stopped
working?
2709 [19:24:56] <Razva> petn-randall: can you please let me know
if the link you've kindly provided offers an alpha *installer*
or installs an alpha version of debian? :)
2710 [19:25:06] <lololo> Yes. I said that after ";;;;".
2711 [19:25:16] <lololo> petn-randall: ^
2712 [19:25:47] <petn-randall> Razva: Yes, that would install
Debian testing. I don't remember, but there might be an option
to install stable, too. Just try it out.
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2714 [19:25:56] <Razva> got you
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2718 [19:26:27] <Razva> I'll also give Arch a shot, it seems
that they might have some installer (Revenge Installer, weird name)
that might use 4.11+
2719 [19:26:55] <petn-randall> Razva: It would at least get you to
boot, and even if it only offers testing, you'd still be able
to use debootstrap to make a stable installation.
2720 [19:26:58] <Razva> but first I'll try to boot Debian
with that arg. can you please let me know how can I add an arg to
the boot installer?
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2723 [19:27:35] <Razva> I need to add "intremap=nosid"
when booting the *installer*
2724 [19:27:39] <petn-randall> Razva: When the option in the boot
menu show up, you should be able to press "e" to edit the
boot options and add it there.
2725 [19:27:42] <Razva> press "e" as for other distros?
2726 [19:27:48] <Razva> got it, thanks! :)
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2730 [19:29:00] <lololo> petn-randall: And about "my
method" I'm just mount the net install iso, copying
install.amd/{vmlinuz,initrd} to /boot/reinstall ; then I'm
editing the initrd (I'm only putting that .iso in the root of
that initrd image), packing again and I'm trying to run this
kernel with edited initrd from grub. Then it fails.
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2734 [19:29:49] <petn-randall> lololo: That's not a supported
installation method. What is stopping you from just booting the iso
in the vmware guest?
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2737 [19:30:24] <lololo> petn-randall: Probably no access to
anything except VNC and "reset" switch.
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2739 [19:30:48] <petn-randall> lololo: Looks like that is your
actual problem.
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2744 [19:32:30] <lololo> petn-randall: Yes, I know, but that
initrd still should be operational, if it's not wotking after
doing what I did then something is not ok with tools present on
debian or the iso itself.
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2747 [19:32:37] <Razva> I guess that I need to add the args on the
"linux" line, not on the "set" or
"initrd" right?
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2750 [19:33:46] <Razva> Right?
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2751 [19:33:49] <petn-randall> Razva: Yes, on the linux line.
2752 [19:34:01] <Razva> Let's see fingers crossed
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2755 [19:34:36] <petn-randall> lololo: What makes you think that?
You're doing a completely unsupported thing with the initrd,
and put the blame on Debian for it failing to work. I don't
know what you're expecting here.
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2758 [19:35:07] <lololo> petn-randall: So, what is the
"supported" way of editing initrd on debian then?
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2765 [19:36:47] <Razva> Now *that* is what I call "small
fonts" :))
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2768 [19:37:13] <lololo> petn-randall: I'm not blaming debian
for anything, I'm just searching everywhere why this initrd is
"bad" and kernel is not seeing "init" in the
root of that thing. That's my problem.
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2772 [19:38:04] <petn-randall> lololo: Have you looked at the
installation manual yet?
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2774 [19:38:14] <petn-randall> lololo: Those are the supported
installation methods.
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2779 [19:39:07] <mnuhmnuh> lololo: for devs, try #debian-mentors;
maybe only on oftc, dunno.
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2787 [19:40:04] <petn-randall> mnuhmnuh: That's not the right
channel, lololo doesn't want to package anything, they're
trying to install Debian in a very contrived way.
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2790 [19:40:32] <shtrb> Is there a debian service that allow
someone build a kernel with just different config options ?
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2792 [19:40:42] <Razva> Nope, doesn't works. :/
2793 [19:40:49] <lololo> petn-randall: That is documentation from
where I got the Idea of unpacking vmlinuz and initrd from .iso file
(and telling grub to use that).
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2795 [19:41:23] <lololo> mnuhmnuh: Thanks, I'll look there in
a minute
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2799 [19:43:41] <lololo> petn-randall: And please, stop talking
about "installing debian in unsupported way"; I'm not
asking on how to do that, I'm asking precisely why this initrd
is broken after editing, and what is the right way of putting it
together.
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2805 [19:45:42] <petn-randall> lololo: Does it boot if you
don't edit the initrd.gz?
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2807 [19:45:58] <lololo> petn-randall: Yes it does.
2808 [19:46:22] <petn-randall> lololo: Then it sounds like
*you're* breaking something, and not Debian.
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2810 [19:46:49] <lololo> petn-randall: Then that's why
I'm asking what could I break and how to not break this
something.
2811 [19:47:36] <petn-randall> lololo: Why are you editing the
initrd.gz?
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2819 [19:49:40] <lololo> petn-randall: Because if I don't
edit it then the installator complains about lack of cdrom and it
cant load files from there. When I included netinstall iso in that
initrd i was escaping to shell and mounting that iso to location
where the installer wanted to mount that cdrom.
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2825 [19:51:27] <lololo> petn-randall: You may ask why I just not
mount /dev/sda1 and copy that .iso to ram, and then mount it as I
said previously. The answer is very simple: I cannot mount /dev/sda1
because mount hangs forever when I try doing that.
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2827 [19:52:42] <lololo> mnuhmnuh: That channel is invite-only :C
2828 [19:52:48] <petn-randall> lololo: The link I pointed you to
solves just that problem. Having you tried doing it like
documentation?
2829 [19:53:00] <Razva> petn-randall: worked with Ubuntu 17 :/ So
I guess their installer uses 4.11+
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2832 [19:53:37] <petn-randall> Razva: Most likely, Debian stretch
is not as current.
2833 [19:53:42] <Razva> But I wanted Debian not Ubuntu!
2834 [19:53:46] <Razva> Darn.
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2838 [19:54:16] <petn-randall> Razva: You can always use the live
image to debootstrap your system. It's a little more work, but
if you're used to Debian, it should be too difficult.
2839 [19:54:31] <petn-randall> *shouldn't
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2844 [19:55:20] <Razva> Yeah I'll give it a shot
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2847 [19:55:56] <Razva> But for now I'm curious if I'll
be able to at least have a functional Linux (any!) on this MBP 13,1
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2849 [19:56:17] <petn-randall> Razva: You should be able to
deboostrap a current stable, then chroot into it and install a newer
kernel from stretch-backports.
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2852 [19:56:26] <Razva> In theory I should but...
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2855 [19:57:25] <petn-randall> Razva: If the buster live image
works, it'll likely also work with stable + backports kernel.
At least from the point of hardware enablement.
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2859 [19:59:28] <lololo> petn-randall: as I said - When I'm
doing exacly that I can't install debian because it searches
for that CD-ROM <end of step 1> When I follow the installer it
wasks me about cdrom, I don't have one, so it fails, drops me
to shell, then I'm trying to mount /dev/sda1 [to copy that .iso
and mount the .iso itself to location where installer expects it],
mount just hangs forever<end of step 2> Then I got idea
2860 [19:59:34] <lololo> of just including this .iso file into
initrd <end of step 3> now initrd is not working anymore,
kernel cannot find init in this initrd image.
2861 [20:00:02] <petn-randall> lololo: Which method are you using?
The docs mention several.
2862 [20:00:21] <lololo> petn-randall: 5.1.5. Booting from Linux
using LILO or GRUB
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2864 [20:01:04] <lololo> petn-randall: Also - I;m using debian 9,
you sent me docs for debian 8.
2865 [20:01:40] <petn-randall> lololo: Debian 9 is stretch,
isn't it?
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2867 [20:02:14] <petn-randall> lololo: So section 5.1.5 mentions
using several different initramfs and kernels, which one did you
pick?
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2871 [20:05:22] <lololo> petn-randall:
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2872 [20:05:24] * petn-randall still believes that booting the vmware
guest from the iso is easier.
2873 [20:06:37] <lololo> petn-randall: Yes, it is easier and I
would do that if I could. But my problem is all about initrd being
broken after editing it.
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2875 [20:07:55] <petn-randall> lololo: Why can't you boot
from an iso?
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2877 [20:08:07] <lololo> petn-randall: All I really need is a way
to edit initrd in a way that it would still work, but for whatever
reason it just breaks, I mean, the kernel starts complaining,
because after unpacking it all files are fine in locations where
they should be.
2878 [20:08:26] <lololo> petn-randall: I told you already several
times: I cant because I dont have acces to that "feature"
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2880 [20:08:47] <petn-randall> No idea then.
2881 [20:08:48] <mirko> adding "DROPBEAR=y" to
/etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf results in update-initramfs
telling me "dropbear: WARNING: Setting DROPBEAR in
/etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf is deprecated and will be
ignored in a future release", however - unlike defining
"CRYPTSETUP=y" - doesn't provide me with a hint for
the "new" way. What *is* the new way?
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2883 [20:10:14] <petn-randall> mirko: The new way is installing
"dropbear-initramfs".
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2887 [20:10:40] <clipcomp> you people should be shot and shot to
death violently and tortured for refusing to accept somebody's
hard work not business related at all and completely unrelated to
anybody who works with anyone else like a group and is alone and not
spamming
2888 [20:10:40] <mirko> petn-randall: ah, interesting. i honestly
searched actively and didn't find any note on this
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2890 [20:11:02] <mirko> what the.. ?
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2892 [20:11:27] <petn-randall> Random weirdos spam the channel
sometimes, please ignore.
2893 [20:11:53] <mirko> petn-randall: proposing the new solution -
like it's done with CRYPTSETUP=y - might be a good idea i think
2894 [20:12:11] <petn-randall> mirko: Feel free to file a bug
report, it's a good idea.
2895 [20:12:28] <petn-randall> (or check if it's already been
filed)
2896 [20:13:28] <mirko> apart from that, since using debian on ARM
boards i noticed the flash-kernel package is horribly broken. the
way to report that is also the global debian bug tracker or is there
like a sub-forum/-mailinglist/-channel for such aprtivular platform
related issues to reach?
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2900 [20:15:40] <petn-randall> mirko: Any bugs should always be
reported via the BTS, yes. However, there are several IRC channels
where people interested in a sub-topic hang out in.
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2902 [20:15:59] <petn-randall> !arm
2903 [20:15:59] <dpkg> Advanced RISC Machine (ARM) is a processor
architecture. The Debian arm port was deprecated at 5.0
"Lenny" with official support dropped at 6.0
"Squeeze", ask me about <armel> for the replacement
port. See also <armhf>.
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2905 [20:16:10] <petn-randall> mirko: ^^^ note that it's a
different IRC network.
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2907 [20:17:10] <mirko> petn-randall: thanks!
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2909 [20:18:08] <simulant_> Hi can anyone help at all. I have
Debian Jessie and running RAID1. The system gets stuck at initramfs
at boot and doesn't continue. I get this error (minus the
duplicate entries part which I fixed):
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2911 [20:18:26] <simulant_> I can get it to continue to boot
following these steps:
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2913 [20:18:41] <simulant_> but then I have to do those steps
again next reboot and every time I boot up!!
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2916 [20:18:57] <simulant_> I wondered if anyone may be able to
help get this fixed for good?
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2919 [20:20:09] <JLprim> afternoon all
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2921 [20:20:51] <JLprim> Looking for the eisyest program to back
up files to a 4tb external hard drive gui prefered any sugestions?
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2929 [20:25:00] <well_laid_lawn> what's wrong with good
ol' cp ?
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2931 [20:25:47] <mirko> petn-randall: re different irc networks:
which #debian is channel is the "more official" one? i
just noticed there's also one on oftc(?)
2932 [20:25:52] <petn-randall> well_laid_lawn: It's not
really space efficient.
2933 [20:26:02] <petn-randall> !oftc mvoe
2934 [20:26:05] <shtrb> lololo , JLprim , tar it
2935 [20:26:16] <petn-randall> !oftc move
2936 [20:26:17] <dpkg> irc.debian.org moved to OFTC on June 4th
2006, see
replaced-url
2937 [20:26:20] <shtrb> sorry , JLprin , tar it
2938 [20:26:20] <petn-randall> mirko: ^^^
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2940 [20:26:36] <JLprim> tar what
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2942 [20:27:02] <JLprim> i need to be able to remove the hard
drive and access the info from other computers as well
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2944 [20:27:20] <petn-randall> JLprim: There are several options,
depending on if you want to use the command line or not:
rdiff-backup, duplicity, dejadup, ...
2945 [20:27:23] <shtrb> A good way to transfer many files is to
tar it and move the tar to the destination (if the disk is connected
over network )
2946 [20:27:43] <JLprim> rather not use cmand line as im not good
with it
2947 [20:27:59] <mirko> petn-randall: i see
2948 [20:28:10] <shtrb> JLprim , the disk is connected directly or
over network ?
2949 [20:28:11] <JLprim> #shtrb oh ok
2950 [20:28:19] <JLprim> directly
2951 [20:28:39] <well_laid_lawn> open two file managers and
drag'n'drop
2952 [20:28:46] <mirko> about the dropbear initramfs part - the
interface and its IP config is still being done in
/etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf ?
2953 [20:28:49] <shtrb> make sure you select COPY
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2955 [20:29:16] <JLprim> I would like to be able to have it auto
back up once a week and such
2956 [20:29:35] <shtrb> use some cron like approach (a script )
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2959 [20:30:16] <petn-randall> JLprim: IIRC deja-dup can do that.
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2961 [20:30:59] <petn-randall> JLprim: You'll still have to
manually plug in the backup device, though. I wouldn't call it
backup if it's permanently plugged in ...
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2966 [20:32:33] <JLprim> well its an external and its backing it
up with the posobility of removal if i needed to move the info to
another computer.
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2971 [20:33:27] <petn-randall> JLprim: Sure, just keep in mind
that your backed up data is also gone if you have it plugged in and
accidentally typo as root.
2972 [20:33:30] <JLprim> i will still be saving everything on the
main hard drive.. at least till it gets full anyway so this would
just be a coppie of the video and pictures files and maybe documents
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2975 [20:33:55] <petn-randall> !qotd126
2976 [20:33:56] <dpkg> <helios> sorry for my english: I was
rushing on my prompt (silly me!) and just stopped in time an
"rm -rf /etc"...but I deleted all /etc/init* files and
dirs <asg> helios: restore from backups. <helios> asg,
backups?
2977 [20:34:30] <shtrb> lol
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2979 [20:34:33] <JLprim> @ pet-randall ok ill remember that if I
ever do anything in root I will unplug the 4tb hard drive before
hand
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2982 [20:35:00] <shtrb> JLprim , there is always the bumblebee
case
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2985 [20:35:29] <JLprim> bumblebee case?
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2991 [20:36:40] <shtrb> Sorry , not bumblebee , there was a
package that deleted /usr because of a an extra space in one of
it's scripts
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2994 [20:37:29] <shtrb> *bumblebee-old
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2996 [20:38:20] <JLprim> oh i see lol
2997 [20:38:33] <petn-randall> Ubuntu also had a system script
that wiped / completely because it relied on a environment var being
set to not do that.
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2999 [20:39:06] <petn-randall> JLprim: Point is, it's only
really a backup if it's physically separate from the system.
Otherwise any thing that wipes your system can also wipe your
backup.
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3002 [20:39:48] <shtrb> JLprim ,
replaced-url
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3004 [20:40:40] <somiaj> some consider needing an offsite backup,
in case of a fire burning down the building that the servers are in.
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3006 [20:42:11] <lololo> somiaj Actually that's not that
uneven to happen as you might think
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3010 [20:44:16] <mspo> that is pretty common is bad
"package" and "add-on" systems
3011 [20:44:22] <mspo> newrelic had a bunch of issues with it too
3012 [20:44:23] <mspo> many games
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3014 [20:44:44] <mspo> defensive shell scripting isn't a
skill many people use :)
3015 [20:44:47] <JLprim> Somiaj yea if i had the resources to do
that i probably would however righ now thats not possible
3016 [20:45:54] <somiaj> JLprim: a quote I heard once is consider
any data lost that is not backuped in at least 3 different places.
So a lot depends on how much you value your data. I'm not the
best at it, but I have various usb drives floating around with
snapshots just in case.
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3018 [20:47:03] <shtrb> somiaj , but how much do you check the
backup drives still work ?
3019 [20:47:18] <JLprim> I might do a few snapshot thumb drives
eventualy as well and yea i cant do 3 right now and its not life and
death if i did loose the datta it would just really really suck
3020 [20:47:36] <JLprim> its pictures and video audio from my
youtube channel
3021 [20:47:52] <somiaj> shtrb: not often enough. My backup policy
is actually fairl poor given what I know. (well for personal stuff,
work stuff is rsynced between my home desktop, work desktop, backup
server and laptop regurally)
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3023 [20:48:23] <shtrb> somaij , I asked because not so long ago I
learned my backup disks died
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3025 [20:48:47] <somiaj> JLprim: in some cases youtube is a
backup. Problem with my pictures is the ones I put on the web are
lower resolution (for size reasons) and thus not a good backup.
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3028 [20:50:13] <somiaj> another thing to consider about backup,
is it an image or a full backup (means you can recver any version of
any file that was backed up over time). Problem with automatic
snapshots, is if the original is zeroed out, the scripts can copy
this to the backup, thus erasing the data despite it being backuped.
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3032 [20:51:12] <shtrb> I think there was an arduino based cd
writer / disk mover in hackaday some time ago
3033 [20:51:15] <lololo> petn-randall: I got it to work! :D
Everything that was needed was to gzip that initrd
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3146 [22:01:07] <d3l1ght> hi guys
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3148 [22:01:12] <d3l1ght> anyone trying openrc on debian ?
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3160 [22:04:41] <somiaj> d3l1ght: I'm sure someone has tried
it, but I don't think many use it. Partially because I
don't think any (or very few) packages ship with openrc scripts
by default.
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3165 [22:05:22] <somiaj> d3l1ght: note, you'll have to deal
with systemd in this, this factoid will contain some info about it.
It is for sysvinit, but I think some of it will carry over to openrc
3166 [22:05:25] <somiaj> !remove systemd
3167 [22:05:25] <dpkg> To use an init system other than systemd in
jessie, install the systemd-shim package (for logind) and remove the
systemd-sysv package: aptitude install systemd-shim sysvinit-core
systemd-sysv-. To stick with sysvinit for wheezy->jessie
upgrades, follow the pinning advice in the release notes:
replaced-url
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3172 [22:06:38] <d3l1ght> thanks guys
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3174 [22:07:25] <d3l1ght> just wondering if in the future will
exist the posibility to choose an init system
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3191 [22:22:20] <melissa_> Hello. I have an Intel Skylake Pentium
CPU. Oftentimes Adobe Flash causes my entire system to freeze and I
have to reboot. Is this normal?
3192 [22:22:34] <melissa_> I figured Skylake chips would be fast
enough not to freeze.
3193 [22:22:52] <petn-randall> melissa_: I'd just not use
Adobe Flash.
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3195 [22:24:33] <awwal> melissa_, do you really need flash since
almost all websites are using html5?
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3197 [22:25:30] <shtrb> melissa_ , you can play with the hardware
settings of adobe
3198 [22:25:45] <melissa_> The question is whether or not that is
normal.
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3200 [22:26:24] <awwal> adobe flash plugin is not
supported/maintained by Debian, flash-plugin-nonfree or
pepperflashplugin-nonfree are just there for download the plugin for
you from adobe website
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3202 [22:27:07] <shtrb> melissa_ , if you install flash you should
be thankfull you didn't get your system blown to pieces
(anything is possible , it is closed source )
3203 [22:29:13] <awwal> melissa_, I guess sometimes you run
"update-flashplugin-nonfree --install" for firefox or
"update-pepperflashplugin-nonfree --install" for chromium,
for get latest versions of adobe flash
3204 [22:29:39] <awwal> ,v pepperflashplugin-nonfree
3205 [22:29:40] <judd> Package: pepperflashplugin-nonfree on amd64
-- wheezy-backports/contrib: 1.4~bpo60+1; jessie/contrib:
1.8.1+deb8u1; buster/contrib: 1.8.3+nmu1; sid/contrib: 1.8.3+nmu1
3206 [22:29:51] <awwal> not in stretch
3207 [22:30:04] <awwal> ,v flashplugin-nonfree
3208 [22:30:05] <judd> Package: flashplugin-nonfree on amd64 --
wheezy/contrib: 1:3.2+wheezy1; jessie/contrib: 1:3.6.1+deb8u1;
sid/contrib: 1:3.7
3209 [22:30:16] <awwal> also not
3210 [22:30:38] <awwal> so, nvm if running stretch
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3275 [23:06:43] <Megaf> hm, almost no seeders for Debian DVD with
the non free firmware...
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3277 [23:07:01] <Megaf> Here is teh magnet if you want to help
seeding
3278 [23:07:02] <Megaf>
magnet:?xt=urn:btih:9575c2600b1e9a94ea58357120cc0dd391944e08&dn=firmware-9.3.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso&tr=http%3A%2F%2Fbttracker.debian.org%3A6969%2Fannounce
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3281 [23:07:31] <Megaf> and here the torrent file
replaced-url
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3285 [23:08:01] <Megaf> There's only two peers for me
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3293 [23:14:17] <siim_> anyone have any hints for what could be
causing "AddScreen/ScreenInit failed for driver 0" for X?
more logs here:
replaced-url
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3315 [23:28:34] <siim_> ah, managed to get it fixed, thought it
must have been a previous update as a new update fixed it, I
don't restart often so these things creep up
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3322 [23:34:34] <vivus> How do I enable SSH on Debian stretch?
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3324 [23:34:42] <vivus> I tried editing the rc.local file
3325 [23:34:57] <epsilon> do you have it installed?
3326 [23:35:31] <epsilon> package openssh-server
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3328 [23:35:53] <vivus> yeah its on my raspberry Pi.
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3331 [23:37:35] <vivus> epsilon: is this code correct:
replaced-url
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3336 [23:39:28] <epsilon> vivus: raspi-config, there is an option
to install/enable ssh
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3338 [23:40:02] <vivus> epsilon: where is that file?
3339 [23:40:12] <epsilon> run raspi-config as root
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3342 [23:40:27] <vivus> epsilon: I cannot access the Pi itself, so
I am trying to enable SSH remotely
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3344 [23:40:56] <vivus> I've run through the regular
troubleshooting issues, so enabling it manually is my next test to
determine if the Pi is faulty
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3356 [23:44:52] <darksec> Any hacktivists active?
3357 [23:45:03] <vivus> wrong channel
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3359 [23:45:50] <darksec> ooh my bad
3360 [23:46:34] <darksec> although i do have one question that
relates to debian GNU/Kali-linux rolling
3361 [23:46:44] <vivus> what's that
3362 [23:48:55] <darksec> Im always experiencing crashes and long
system pauses, its nothing to do with hardware the os is installed
on the hard disk, any ideas?
3363 [23:49:40] <mtn> !kali
3364 [23:49:40] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
3365 [23:49:44] <vivus> that's like going into the void
3366 [23:49:52] <vivus> you'll need to provide error outputs
3367 [23:50:02] <mtn> vivus: wrong channel
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3370 [23:50:28] <vivus> I think we have already determined that
mtn . thanks for the enthusiasm though
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3372 [23:50:47] <uRock> When entering a file path in smb.conf,
should directories with spaces in them be entered as "Folder\
Name" or just "Folder Name"?
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3375 [23:51:07] <rhizome> not a good day in debianland for me
today
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3377 [23:51:30] <darksec> I already contacted offensive about it,
but they're yet to get back to me, thanks though
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3380 [23:52:10] <rhizome> what does 'rc' mean in dpkg -l
output?
3381 [23:52:33] <rhizome> man doesn't say
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3383 [23:53:09] <rhizome> ah, something i'll remember as
"remaining config"
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3390 [23:56:05] <themill> rhizome: the header explains the output;
the man package explains the meaning of the terms
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3394 [23:59:21] <rhizome> ah, i still use grep on it. maybe this
will break that habit
3395 [23:59:34] <rhizome> thanks
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