• 0[00:00:41] <userrio> TomTomTo1, it is still showing. It is saying package is in very inconsistent state and that I should reinstall it before removing it. :(
• 1[00:00:57] <tp43_> verumnost, if you want to gain a deep understanding of Linux and building distros you should check out busybox, it would be a year long project though, I skipped it, I am into Web Design and OpenGl and stuff now. You can buy a vps for cheap and load a fresh install of debian with a button click.
• 2[00:01:29] <TomTomTo1> userrio: well, then get another packager from the docker repo and use that to reinstall.
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• 4[00:01:59] <Midnightx> user16, i mean, right now i am using amd card 6xxx then i will replace with r9 2xx, so, what i must to do, did i need change my driver like windows
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• 8[00:02:36] <tp43_> verumnost, or look into building debian packages and using dpkg directly. There is this thing called alien to, lets you install ubunutu package on debian.
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• 13[00:04:27] <tp43_> verumnost, you know about aptitude and synaptic right?
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• 15[00:05:03] <userrio> TomTomTo1, it is not installing.
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• 17[00:05:57] <userrio> I think I have to reinstall whole os
• 18[00:06:47] <tp43_> userrio, you know apt-get purge?
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• 20[00:07:04] <userrio> I did that already
• 21[00:07:07] <user16> midnight are you using fglrx or just open source?
• 22[00:07:10] <userrio> It didn't solve it
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• 24[00:07:58] <tp43_> userrio, did you try to re-install then purge -cause it said it was incomplete state, try to re-install first
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• 26[00:08:11] <user16> i think apt-get update and upgrade after you install the new card
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• 30[00:10:18] <userrio> tp43_, how to do that?
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• 32[00:10:45] <tp43_> apt-get install
• 33[00:11:08] <user16> uhoh i was talking to mignight
• 34[00:11:08] <Midnightx> user16 as long i remember , just open source like replaced-url
• 35[00:11:09] <tp43_> apt-get install docker.io in your case I think
• 36[00:11:20] <user16> ok
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• 39[00:12:49] <userrio> It gives an error
• 40[00:13:07] <userrio> that docker-engine needs to be reinstalled
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• 43[00:13:44] <tp43_> userrio, you did apt-get install docker-engine and it says it needs to be re-installed?
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• 49[00:14:32] <userrio> yes but it says that regardless of what I type after apt-get lol
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• 53[00:15:28] <tp43_> userrio, try aptitude
• 54[00:16:14] <tp43_> I had problems with backports in the past too
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• 58[00:18:04] <userrio> never mind
• 59[00:18:14] <userrio> I'm reinstalling the os
• 60[00:18:19] <userrio> I'm done
• 61[00:18:45] <tp43_> userrio, aptitude won't start?
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• 63[00:18:51] <userrio> There's nothing important in there anyway
• 64[00:19:03] <userrio> I already tried apt though
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• 66[00:19:39] <tp43_> remove backports from the repo. Aptitude can help sometimes, worth a try,
• 67[00:19:51] <TomTomTo1> this has nothing to do with backports...
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• 69[00:20:02] <tp43_> remove backports from source.list I mean
• 70[00:20:12] <TomTomTo1> this has still nothing to do with backports...
• 71[00:20:25] <tp43_> TomTomTo1, isn't docker-engine a package from backports
• 72[00:20:29] <TomTomTo1> no.
• 73[00:20:49] <userrio> I reinstalled the os
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• 75[00:21:03] <TomTomTo1> it's a package from upstream.
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• 77[00:21:33] <fnljk> join #debian-offtopic
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• 81[00:22:00] <userrio> lol how is this offtopic xD
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• 83[00:22:15] <fnljk> sorry, missed the slash.
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• 86[00:22:31] <random_numbers> Is there a list of free-firmware USB devices and such that debian is compatible with? I'm looking for a bluetooth transceiver that doesn't require non-free.
• 87[00:22:36] <userrio> oh lol
• 88[00:22:41] <tp43_> whats upstream?
• 89[00:22:56] <TomTomTo1> Docker Inc.
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• 91[00:24:08] <userrio> I thought he was telling us to join #debian-offtopic lol
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• 94[00:25:26] <userrio> now this is getting off-topic xD
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• 96[00:25:34] <userrio> Ok I'll stop
• 97[00:25:39] <zykotick9> random_numbers: which replaced-url
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• 100[00:26:00] <zykotick9> s/which/check/
• 101[00:26:04] <tp43_> userrio, maybe this one will be easier replaced-url
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• 104[00:26:39] <TomTomTo1> tp43_: just stop...
• 105[00:27:03] <random_numbers> zykotick9: Oh, FSF. Seems promising, thanks.
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• 193[01:06:52] <frNCs_Rf> Suka blet
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• 210[01:16:24] <RajRajRaj> Even after installing nvidia its heating up
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• 218[01:20:22] <frNCs_Rf> Nvidia is famous for overheating
• 219[01:20:44] <bazhang> no it's not
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• 225[01:24:42] <frNCs_Rf> Yes it is
• 226[01:24:54] <frNCs_Rf> And i don't like you
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• 229[01:25:19] <frNCs_Rf> Stfu
• 230[01:25:25] <frNCs_Rf> I remember you
• 231[01:26:07] <frNCs_Rf> No good
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• 289[01:52:34] <CodeMachine> Guys, I fucked up! I downloaded kgpg via terminal, it worked, I start kgpg, It works, I generate a new key, It didnt work, I get an error and kgpg shuts down, now kgpg is "gone".. I tried uninstall in terminal with "apt-get uninstall kgpg", it didnt work, I tried uninstall with synaptic, it didnt work. Please, hhlep me
• 290[01:53:04] <CodeMachine> how do I uninstall this and re-install so it appears again?
• 291[01:53:32] <awal1> what says apt-cache policy kgpg ?
• 292[01:53:37] <awal1> ,v kgpg
• 293[01:53:38] <judd> Package: kgpg on amd64 -- wheezy: 4:4.8.4-4; jessie: 4:4.14.2-1; sid: 4:16.08.3-1; stretch: 4:16.08.3-1
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• 295[01:54:44] <CodeMachine> "apt-get autoremove" to remove it says. Im going in.
• 296[01:54:44] <awal1> also dpkg -L kgpg
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• 301[01:55:50] <CodeMachine> didn't work that either. let me paste bin what they say for you
• 302[01:56:07] <awal1> autoremove removes pkgs installed by the main pkg pkg a installs pkg b and c; if you remove a, apt will remove b and c if not needed by d, e, f ....
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• 306[01:57:00] <CodeMachine> I didn't quite understand that, I'm stil crawling in debian, trying to walk.
• 307[01:57:06] <awal1> if you installed kgpg from debian official repos, what you are saying shouldn't happen
• 308[01:57:21] <CodeMachine> I installed it with apt-get install kgpg
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• 310[01:57:34] <awal1> outputs :P
• 311[01:58:01] <CodeMachine> so maybe if I do auto remove and install from synaptic?
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• 313[01:58:16] <CodeMachine> Maybe that's a samurai solution
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• 316[01:58:54] <coruja> !paste
• 317[01:58:54] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
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• 319[01:59:02] <J1sy> Hello
• 320[01:59:07] <fnljk_> Hi!
• 321[01:59:44] <J1sy> How do i enable vitualization on my pc
• 322[01:59:57] <coruja> CodeMachine, start pasting output of command you've been asked for, then someone may help
• 323[02:00:28] <CodeMachine> awal1: it's ok, my samurai solution actually worked.
• 324[02:00:41] <CodeMachine> Thank you awal1 for help.
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• 327[02:01:39] <awal1> :D
• 328[02:02:41] <CodeMachine> awal1: nvm looks like it's not working. The icon appears but the program won't start. Gonna give you the paste now. apt-cache policy kgpg and dpkg -L kgpg
• 329[02:03:32] <awal1> well, I don't use that pkg, anyway; just wanted to know if it still installed and it's location
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• 331[02:03:44] <tomcres> CodeMachine: is it in your system tray?
• 332[02:03:54] <CodeMachine> replaced-url
• 333[02:03:58] <CodeMachine> what is system tray?
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• 335[02:04:35] <CodeMachine> awal1: replaced-url
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• 337[02:05:21] <tomcres> CodeMachine: next to the clock in the bottom right of the screen, do you see the icon (a lock) for kgpg?
• 338[02:05:22] <J1sy> [02:59:42] «J1sy» How do i enable vitualization on my pc
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• 340[02:06:01] <CodeMachine> aaww he's hiding like a ninja down there. THanks broh =D
• 341[02:06:19] <awal1> well, your kgpg is installed v. 4:4.14.2-1 but from a non official debian repo :P
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• 343[02:06:41] <CodeMachine> How is that possible when I used apt-get install?
• 344[02:06:56] <tomcres> kgpg doesn't close when you click the X. instead it minimizes to the system tray area and runs in the background.
• 345[02:06:56] <CodeMachine> And now I used even synaptic for it?
• 346[02:06:58] <awal1> is that kali linux or any debian based distro?
• 347[02:07:05] <CodeMachine> debian jessie
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• 349[02:07:31] <awal1> replaced-url
• 350[02:08:10] <CodeMachine> Do you mean that the sources.list I got is non official?
• 351[02:08:38] <awal1> what says lsb_release -a
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• 353[02:08:41] <awal1> ?
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• 355[02:10:01] <CodeMachine> awal1: replaced-url
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• 357[02:10:11] <TomTomTo1> the mirror is fine.
• 358[02:10:29] <awal1> I guess he is using httpredir yeah, ok
• 359[02:10:34] <CodeMachine> Long story short we can agree upon: All good in the hood?
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• 362[02:11:28] <TomTomTo1> yes, what's your problem again?
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• 364[02:12:06] <awal1> CodeMachine, all fine, nvm. you may have just used wrong command for remove it before
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• 366[02:12:37] <CodeMachine> kgpg just disapeard from my system but I couldn't re-install it. I tried uninstall with remove, autoremove and synaptic but didnt work so I did autoremove and then installed form synaptic and it worked.
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• 369[02:12:46] <awal1> why it doesn't work, follow TomTomTo1; he may use that pkg and will may help you
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• 373[02:13:36] <CodeMachine> Ok, what other ways can I uninstall than remove and autoremove?
• 374[02:13:43] <TomTomTo1> what about apt-get --reinstall install kgpg
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• 376[02:14:36] <TomTomTo1> if you just want to remove it use apt-get purge kgpg
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• 379[02:15:09] <CodeMachine> Not gonna try since I got it to work now, but will remember to next time. Thank you for holding my hand when I'm learning to walk. What would life be without you guys.
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• 385[02:17:16] <awal1> you may want to write a poen for debian; it looks like you are good on poetry
• 386[02:17:27] <awal1> poem ^
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• 388[02:18:26] <CodeMachine> One day I might sum everything up to a lovely story about the life inside debian =D
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• 391[02:20:51] <fnljk_> Anyone know how I can solve apt-get (upgrade/install/remove) issue I have; seemingly stemming from conflicting Ruby Gems-packages/installs? Is this appropriate here or think more fitting I ask in #ruby or similar? I'm quite n00b to both Linux & Ruby in general tbh .. replaced-url
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• 400[02:24:15] <CodeMachine> We just had a similiar problem actually. Have you tried apt-get autoremove?
• 401[02:24:30] <fnljk_> yep
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• 404[02:25:19] <fnljk_> autoclean , check "apt-get -f install", "--fix-broken install .." in various combinations as well, and trying to install/uninstall the vairous kinds too.. hmm. :s
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• 406[02:25:35] <CodeMachine> apt-get --reinstall and then remove?
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• 411[02:28:18] <TomTomTo1> don't just randomly mix commands D:
• 412[02:28:24] <fnljk_> ex: "apt-get --reinstall ruby-fuubar" doesn't seem to work
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• 414[02:29:00] <TomTomTo1> because it's nonsense. please explain your problem first.
• 415[02:29:09] <TomTomTo1> !bat
• 416[02:29:09] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
• 417[02:29:18] <fnljk_> (I already tried "apt-get remove <names(all of them>)" already btw, also installing (the ones seemingly lacking (dependencies for)
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• 419[02:29:49] <fnljk_> hm,policy huh.. thanks lemme try that,eventually return with new paste, then
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• 436[02:41:13] <dD_> My dead keys (accents) stop working after I suspend my computer. Any idea what it could be?
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• 445[02:45:51] <fnljk> dpkg -i --force-overwrote /var/cache/apt/archives..../ruby-progressbar.deb seemd to have fixd my issue btw... thnx (for the lead).. yay,finally! :] lol=)
• 446[02:45:51] * dpkg installs --force-overwrote /var/cache/apt/archives..../ruby-progressbar.deb seemd to have fixd my issue btw... thnx (for the lead).. yay,finally! :] lol=) into fnljk's head with a bone saw and a few screws
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• 456[02:49:42] <dD_> My dead keys (accents) stop working after I suspend my computer. Any idea what it could be?
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• 465[02:55:45] <dD_> awal1, after resume, the keymap is the same, but the dead keys won't be dead keys (typing an accent will show the accent directly)
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• 499[03:19:56] <awal1> you know what is firefox-esr vs firefox?
• 500[03:20:11] <awal1> ,v firefox
• 501[03:20:12] <judd> Package: firefox on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 51.0-1~bpo80+1; sid: 51.0-1; experimental: 52.0~b1-1
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• 503[03:20:19] <awal1> ,v firefox-esr
• 504[03:20:20] <judd> Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie: 45.6.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch: 45.6.0esr-1; wheezy-security: 45.7.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie-security: 45.7.0esr-1~deb8u1; sid: 45.7.0esr-1
• 505[03:20:30] <joze> I wondered that I saw iceweasel upgrading last time
• 506[03:20:42] <joze> I thought it was replaced
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• 509[03:21:15] <awal1> iceweasel was the debian name for mozilla firefox-esr
• 510[03:21:56] <Lady_Aleena> I have Firefox v 51.0.0~bpo80+1, Firefox-ESR v 45.7.0~deb8u1, and Iceweasel v 45.7.0~deb8u1
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• 513[03:22:50] <awal1> firefox is standard firefox, iceweasel and firefox-esr = firefox-esr
• 514[03:22:54] <Lady_Aleena> I am using Firefox v 51.0.1~bpo80+1 (not 51.0.0)
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• 516[03:23:20] <Lady_Aleena> Do you think it is safe to remove iceweasel and firefox-esr?
• 517[03:23:40] <awal1> I doubt you can have firefox and firefox-esr running at same time
• 518[03:23:46] <Heston> removing iceweasel wont do anything but remove the link
• 519[03:24:07] <Lady_Aleena> I don't use them at the same time. The joy of tabs and all.
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• 521[03:24:12] <Heston> it just points to firefox-esr like awal1 said
• 522[03:24:28] <Lady_Aleena> So, removing Iceweasel is cosmetic them.
• 523[03:24:29] <AlexLikeRock> GNUs
• 524[03:24:44] <awal1> Heston, not if you install 'firefox'
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• 527[03:24:59] <AlexLikeRock> awal1, its a troll
• 528[03:25:00] <awal1> you have to install firefox-esr if you want -esr
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• 530[03:25:06] <AlexLikeRock> they dont now toting
• 531[03:25:19] <joze> that iceweasel upgrade beneath firefox-esr was just a symbolic link then?
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• 535[03:25:37] * Lady_Aleena going to remove iceweasel.
• 536[03:25:40] <Heston> awal1, we've already established that she has esr installed
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• 538[03:26:21] <awal1> Heston, yeah. she can just run apt remove iceweasel firefox; firefox-esr should be kept there
• 539[03:26:29] <Lady_Aleena> Ouch, it looks like removing iceweasel also removes 10 or more other things too.
• 540[03:26:36] <awal1> I don't understand well the symbolic links
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• 542[03:26:52] <Heston> it shouldnt have uninstalled anything else
• 543[03:27:04] <themill> There will be dependencies on iceweasel
• 544[03:27:17] <Lady_Aleena> Heston, I didn't run the uninstall yet.
• 545[03:27:20] <awal1> themill, may be more aware about all that :P
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• 547[03:28:09] <themill> Lady_Aleena: the better question is, perhaps, why do you want to remove the iceweasel package. Reading its description might be worthwhile.
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• 549[03:28:19] <Lady_Aleena> Removing iceweasel also removes firebird2.5-common firebird2.5-common-doc firebird2.5-server-common libcmis-0.4-4 libfbclient2 libfbembed2.5 libgltf-0.0-0 liborcus-0.8-0 libreoffice-sdbc-firebird libwps-0.3-3
• 550[03:29:17] <Lady_Aleena> themill, trying to clean up my system. Now that I have Firefox, I don't need Iceweasel which has caused problems with some sites which don't recognize it as a valid browser.
• 551[03:29:22] <awal1> Lady_Aleena: I understand what you asked but I'm lost with the symbolic links. The radical way is: apt-get purge iceweasel firefox firefox-esr. then apt-get update && apt-get install firefox-esr. you will be out of doubts
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• 553[03:29:40] <themill> Lady_Aleena: you do not have iceweasel at all....
• 554[03:29:47] <Lady_Aleena> awali, I don't think I need the -esr version either.
• 555[03:29:59] <Lady_Aleena> awali, I use the backported version.
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• 557[03:30:04] <awal1> install firefox if you want mozilla standard release, install firefox-esr if you want ESr branch (default in debian)
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• 559[03:30:37] <awal1> themill by uninstalling iceweasel I mean the symbolic stuff will be gone
• 560[03:30:37] <Lady_Aleena> awali, I am doing clean up, meaning I have all these Firefoxes installed and I am thinking of removing the ones which I don't use.
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• 562[03:31:15] <themill> Lady_Aleena: you do not have iceweasel at all.... there is nothing to uninstall
• 563[03:31:32] <themill> awal1: removing a symlink is hardly worth uninstalling other packages for.
• 564[03:31:40] <Lady_Aleena> themill, then why is it listed everywhere under internet programs?
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• 566[03:32:28] <themill> Lady_Aleena: because breaking the existing menu entries for people was deemed to be unacceptable.
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• 568[03:32:43] <themill> You'll find that they run firefox not iceweasel...
• 569[03:32:47] <Lady_Aleena> So if I remove Firefox-ESR, I get rid of the Iceweasel entries too, right?
• 570[03:33:15] <themill> It's highly unlikely you can do so without removing other packages
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• 572[03:34:04] <Lady_Aleena> I wish I knew what these other packages did.
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• 578[03:34:22] <Lady_Aleena> And what other programs are dependent on them, if any.
• 579[03:34:34] <themill> why? what's the problem with ignoring it and moving on?
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• 581[03:34:56] <themill> You're currently creating problems by looking for problems that don't exist.
• 582[03:34:59] <Lady_Aleena> themill, my brain is wired weird, I can't ignore the mess all these made.
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• 585[03:35:55] <awal1> apt-cache depends pkgname / rdepends pkgname
• 586[03:36:06] <Lady_Aleena> I'm the person who has to hang her bath towel in a certain way after use to hide the tag.
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• 588[03:36:43] <Lady_Aleena> I put pillowcases on pillows so the pillow tags are hidden away.
• 589[03:37:20] <Lady_Aleena> So, when I see a mess on my system, I want to clean it up by getting rid of programs which appear to be clutter.
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• 591[03:38:55] <Lady_Aleena> So, in short, I am weird.
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• 594[03:40:13] <themill> I'd expect you can hide the Iceweasel menu entry in whatever is displaying your menu.
• 595[03:40:29] <awal1> Lady_Aleena: I reinstalled jessie after all that re-naming (iceweasel/firefox) and installed newly firefox-esr,so I can't reproduce. But, even maybe a stupid thing, I'm curios about what "dpkg -L iceweasel" says ?
• 596[03:40:49] <Lady_Aleena> Hold on, I'm getting a bit of a chill so going to get slippers and a robe.
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• 606[03:43:23] <Lady_Aleena> Darn it Debian pastebin! What do you have against my underscore?!
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• 608[03:44:01] <Lady_Aleena> awal1, paste.debian.net/911036/ is the result of dpkg -L iceweasel
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• 610[03:44:39] <awal1> hm
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• 615[03:45:02] <Lady_Aleena> awal1, what?
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• 617[03:45:16] <awal1> and dpkg -L firefox-esr ?
• 618[03:45:44] <john_31750> replaced-url
• 619[03:46:18] <Lady_Aleena> awal1, replaced-url
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• 621[03:46:31] <themill> None of that is surprising or really relevant btw
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• 623[03:48:44] <awal1> well, she wants to remove firefox-esr and iceweasel stuff and have firefox standard release....
• 624[03:49:04] <hiexpo> pfffffffffffffff
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• 626[03:49:16] <awal1> don't do nothing and leave all like it is isn't a solution, themill :P
• 627[03:49:29] <themill> awal1: and that's not possible
• 628[03:49:33] <Lady_Aleena> I just wanting to make sure it was safe.
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• 630[03:50:05] <Lady_Aleena> s/wanting/wanted/;
• 631[03:50:08] <hiexpo> you want 100 percent safe get off the net
• 632[03:50:11] <awal1> themill, I know it's not possible without removing 'firefox' also
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• 635[03:51:13] <awal1> and maybe other stuff, if iceweasel/firefox-esr was recommended by gnome, x task-desktop or I don't know what
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• 638[03:52:15] <Lady_Aleena> But it looks like I am going to be keeping this Firefox/Iceweasel mess on my system. One day I hope Debian comes up with a clean up for all of it.
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• 640[03:53:01] <hiexpo> whats the mess
• 641[03:53:06] <themill> Nothing like that is going to change in jessie
• 642[03:53:16] <Heston> uninstall iceweasel, that's it. its that simple
• 643[03:53:25] <Heston> it's going to leave behind firefox-esr
• 644[03:53:35] <Lady_Aleena> hiexpo, having Firefox, Firefox-ESR, and Iceweasel on on my computer when I only use Firefox.
• 645[03:53:49] <Heston> which is an extended release supported version of firefox, so it's just as secure
• 646[03:53:53] <hiexpo> remove the others
• 647[03:53:58] <awal1> you can achieve what you want if you really wanted, it just needs a bit of time. but It's your system, I dont know why/how you have firefox / firefox-esr
• 648[03:53:58] <hiexpo> like he said
• 649[03:54:25] <Lady_Aleena> awali, I don't either, it is a great mystery to me.
• 650[03:54:59] <themill> Lady_Aleena, awal1: it's not a mystery at all. Your original apt output explained it
• 651[03:55:18] <themill> Lady_Aleena: You. don't. have. iceweasel.
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• 654[03:56:31] <themill> Lady_Aleena: your "dpkg -L iceweasel" output shows you the package does not actually include a browser. If you have firefox-esr installed, you don't have the iceweasel browser installed.
• 655[03:57:56] <awal1> if you installed manually iceweasel, you will be able to remove/purge it (apt remove/purge firefox-esr) and also firefox; you user config will be kept intact in ~/.mozilla. then just reinstall it (apt install firefox)
• 656[03:58:28] <awal1> Lady_Alena, I guess purging firefox-esr + iceweasel all iceweasel stuff will go out
• 657[03:58:29] <themill> umm... no. Seriously.
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• 660[03:59:14] <Lady_Aleena> So iceweasel is just a placeholder or a link to firefox-esr.
• 661[03:59:15] <themill> We established half an hour ago that wasn't going to work unless a pile of other packages were removed as well.
• 662[03:59:19] <themill> Lady_Aleena: yes
• 663[03:59:29] <themill> Lady_Aleena: packages have descriptions, remember.
• 664[03:59:49] <hiexpo> yes its a sym link
• 665[03:59:55] <Lady_Aleena> I don't know how to get to the descriptions on the command line.
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• 667[04:00:36] <awal1> Lady_Alena, user configs are stored in home dir (.mozilla)
• 668[04:01:13] <themill> awal1: please stop before you actually cause breakage.
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• 671[04:01:59] <themill> Lady_Aleena: apt-cache show $pkg; same way as you did back in 2013 and 2014 when you asked ;)
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• 673[04:02:23] <Lady_Aleena> themill, I haven't used it in quite a while, so I forgot.
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• 675[04:04:35] <Lady_Aleena> ACK! I got descriptions for 4 versions of Iceweasel, though all say it can be safely removed.
• 676[04:05:16] <themill> Unless, of course, something relies on that package being installed.
• 677[04:05:24] <Lady_Aleena> Except for iceweasel v 38.8.0esr~deb8ul
• 678[04:05:57] <Lady_Aleena> or it is deb8u1, I can't tell the difference between 1 and l on the command line.
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• 686[04:09:52] <awal1> Lady_Aleena, I really still curious about removing iceweasel pkg simulating. what says "aptitude -s purge iceweasel" Maybe stupid, but themill please don't blame me :(
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• 688[04:10:11] <awal1> that's my last words about lady alena "issue"
• 689[04:10:39] <themill> awal1: we saw that output 45 min ago.
• 690[04:10:43] <awal1> Lady-Alena, as regular user please, not root
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• 697[04:12:27] <Lady_Aleena> I am so mad at my 1990s self for getting dazzled by Microsoft Windows and not staying with *nix.
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• 699[04:12:34] <awal1> oh, ok; nvm so; sorry, I missed her output bcoz distracted by youtube video. I'm off so, 1000 excuses :P
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• 703[04:13:36] <Lady_Aleena> If I had stayed with *nix back then, I wouldn't be the mess you know now.
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• 705[04:16:50] <Lady_Aleena> Well, I just wasted all of your time with this. I can't tell if firefox and firefox-esr have any crossovers, so I guess I am keeping everything.
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• 710[04:18:05] <Lady_Aleena> I'm sorry awal1, themill, hiexpo.
• 711[04:18:29] <awal1> Lady_Alena, no problem :P
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• 714[04:18:54] <Lady_Aleena> I have no f***ing idea what I am doing 99% of the time.
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• 717[04:20:07] <awal1> I don't understand if really possible to have two firefox versions running in same system
• 718[04:20:14] <themill> dpkg, coffee Lady_Aleena
• 719[04:20:14] * dpkg decants a fine brew of organic, fair trade Jamaican Blue Mountain for Lady_Aleena, courtesy of themill
• 720[04:20:15] <awal1> google say NO
• 721[04:20:26] <awal1> what about user configs and so?
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• 727[04:22:53] <awal1> Lady_Alena, firefox open ---» help ---» about which version you see?
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• 730[04:24:10] <Lady_Aleena> Here is what I wanted to clean up if anyone is interested... replaced-url
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• 732[04:24:27] <Lady_Aleena> dpkg, cookies themill
• 733[04:24:27] <dpkg> Lady_Aleena: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
• 734[04:24:36] <Lady_Aleena> No cookies?!
• 735[04:25:05] <themill> Lady_Aleena: you can edit the K menu contents to remove the ones you don't want to see
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• 742[04:26:06] <Lady_Aleena> And I wish I could stop my cat from attacking my wrists, mousing is a problem with wrists which hurt when they are placed on a surface edge.
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• 760[04:34:52] <tharkun> My laptop is failing to upgrade the kernel it complains about not having enough space in /var partition. Is /var/spool/cups/tmp safe to erase?
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• 762[04:35:28] <tharkun> /dev/mapper/Tharkun-lv_var 9.3G 7.8G 1.1G 89% /var I believe 1.1G should be enough?
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• 766[04:38:30] <themill> sounds pretty odd. that should be mountains of space for anything (unless you're also upgrading from jessie to stretch as well by accident)
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• 782[04:43:35] <tharkun> by no means it is a vanilla flavour install separate partitions as recomended by the installer.
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• 784[04:44:08] <tharkun> How much space does /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64_3.16.39-1_amd64.deb needs to be installed?
• 785[04:44:57] <tharkun> aptitudes says it Will use 91.1 kB of disk space DL Size: 33.9 MB
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• 791[04:45:54] <tharkun> I can say that 1.2 G wil not suffice as reported by df -h /var
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• 793[04:46:55] <tharkun> And no, I have 8.7 which I believe should be current.
• 794[04:46:59] <themill> What's doing the complaining?
• 795[04:47:17] <tharkun> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
• 796[04:47:29] <themill> Can you pastebin the whole aptitude run for me?
• 797[04:47:43] <tharkun> Yea sure give me a sec
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• 799[04:48:50] <tharkun> replaced-url
• 800[04:49:00] <tharkun> themill: ^^^
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• 802[04:50:35] <coruja> looks like your / is filled up (or where you mounted /lib/ to)
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• 808[04:51:39] <themill> tharkun: yeah, looks like this is about /lib (on / perhaps?) not /var
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• 810[04:52:17] <themill> tharkun: "df -h /lib" might be instructive
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• 820[04:57:00] <chomwitt> how it's explained 'apt-cache --names-only search "^free.*" ' to return 'ice34-services - Services bundled into ZeroC Ice' among the results?
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• 824[04:58:20] <S1ohy> Trying to reload the known units by systemd with ``systemctl --user daemon-reload'' The following is returned: ``Failed to connect to bus: No such file or directory''. Where should I look to fix this issue?
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• 826[05:00:01] <coruja> S1ohy, journalctl is a good starting point for research
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• 828[05:00:33] <awal1> ,v ice34-services
• 829[05:00:34] <judd> Package: ice34-services on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.4.2-8.2
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• 833[05:02:53] <S1ohy> Hrm, I don't see anything wrong coruja.
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• 835[05:03:15] <coruja> we don't see anything at all ;)
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• 837[05:05:06] <S1ohy> coruja: interesting bit: replaced-url
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• 841[05:06:28] <coruja> i agree, nothing suspicious there
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• 843[05:07:12] <coruja> was your quote above the complete error message?
• 844[05:07:19] <S1ohy> Yes.
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• 847[05:07:56] <S1ohy> Huh, the command works now.
• 848[05:07:59] <S1ohy> Strange lol.
• 849[05:08:18] <coruja> i used my magic ;)
• 850[05:08:19] <S1ohy> Isn't systemd just wonderful ;)
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• 859[05:13:41] <tharkun> themill: df -h /lib returns /dev/dm-0 453M 318M 108M 75% /
• 860[05:14:18] <tharkun> Sorry for the delay I'm kind of on too many things at the momment. And add a lousy intermitent connection
• 861[05:14:19] <themill> that's tight for /
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• 864[05:14:48] <tharkun> Standard separate partitions installer. I didn't mess with it at all
• 865[05:14:52] <S1ohy> tharkun: busy yak shaving?
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• 868[05:14:54] <themill> How many kernel packages do you have installed? (aptitude search ~nlinux-image~i)
• 869[05:15:43] <tharkun> iu linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64 - Linux 3.16 for 64-bit PCs and i linux-image-amd64 - Linux for 64-bit PCs (meta-package)
• 870[05:15:53] <tharkun> Which should amount to much
• 871[05:15:58] <tharkun> shouldn't
• 872[05:16:01] <themill> yeah, so only 1
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• 874[05:17:11] <tharkun> Holder of the Queen's English Enlighten me with the proper man page to obtain the zen state I am looking for ;P
• 875[05:17:22] <themill> :0
• 876[05:17:44] * Lady_Aleena wants woman pages.
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• 878[05:18:14] <themill> tharkun: You probably need to find another 60MB so that the two kernel packages can be unpacked side-by-side during the upgrade
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• 880[05:19:31] <themill> Given it looks like you're on LVM there, growing / might be an option for you
• 881[05:20:23] <tharkun> themill: Thanks I'll write it down on my todo.txt for sometime next week. I appreciate your time and effort.
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• 886[05:21:33] <themill> If getting that kernel upgrade sorted is an immediate priority and you can't see other things installed in /lib or /bin that you can remove, then you could force the uninstallation of your running kernel, then install the new one, then reboot. But that's, umm, the high risk strategy.
• 887[05:22:25] <tharkun> themill: two deadlines in the near future (Monday) I can't risk a broken system now.
• 888[05:22:34] <themill> ack
• 889[05:23:22] <S1ohy> [/etc/systemd/user/offlineimap.service:7] Invalid user/group name or numeric ID, ignoring:
• 890[05:23:26] <S1ohy> is that specifying line 7?
• 891[05:24:28] <themill> probably
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• 918[05:53:09] <buenouanq> the way I've always installed debian on my laptop is no longer working and I've no idea why
• 919[05:53:55] <buenouanq> the efi installer isn't automatically making an efiboot partiton, and making one manually doesn't work
• 920[05:54:26] <buenouanq> 2008 macbook
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• 928[06:00:12] <somiaj> buenouanq: Some generations of macbooks required some extra work. I thought macbooks of that era had their own special efisetup
• 929[06:00:41] <buenouanq> what's perplexing though is that this always used to work
• 930[06:00:53] <buenouanq> I'm even using an old debian image I saved long ago.
• 931[06:00:57] <somiaj> replaced-url
• 932[06:01:03] <buenouanq> yeah, I have it open
• 933[06:01:05] <somiaj> on this macbook, or just in general?
• 934[06:01:12] <buenouanq> nothing's changed
• 935[06:01:14] <buenouanq> same everything
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• 953[06:25:50] <jim> in order to build a 4.x kernel using make-kpkg, do I need linux-kbuild-4.x?
• 954[06:26:12] <jim> or, what is linux-kbuild used for?
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• 989[07:04:30] <fryguy> i'm trying to install/use zfs-dkms and am running into a problem loading the module after the package is installed. As far as I can tell it builds, but won't load. It seems like kernel version matches up with headers. replaced-url
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• 991[07:04:35] <fryguy> what else could be wrong?
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• 1003[07:22:00] <brett\> hi.. i downloaded a netinst .iso pointed to from main page of debian.org, and wrote/booted it to usb.. but when it comes up it says "no kernel modules were found. this is probably due to a mismatch<...>" any idea?
• 1004[07:22:33] <somiaj> how did you create your bootable medium (I'm thinking usb)
• 1005[07:23:26] <brett\> yes usb.. some 'rufus' windows utility
• 1006[07:23:33] <somiaj> that is most lkely the issue
• 1007[07:23:35] <somiaj> !rufus
• 1008[07:23:35] <dpkg> rufus is a tool that can be used to make bootable USB devices under Windows. It is not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>.
• 1009[07:23:41] <somiaj> !win32diskimager
• 1010[07:23:41] <dpkg> win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from replaced-url
• 1011[07:23:44] <somiaj> use that on windows.
• 1012[07:23:48] <brett\> thank you.
• 1013[07:24:23] <J1sy> Unetbootin is good for linu
• 1014[07:24:40] <somiaj> !unetbootin
• 1015[07:24:41] <dpkg> UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. replaced-url
• 1016[07:25:04] <somiaj> again no, debian iso images are bootable images, using something that makes them bootable causes problems, you need a pure image writter.
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• 1018[07:26:26] <J1sy> Lilo
• 1019[07:26:37] <J1sy> Lilo?
• 1020[07:27:01] <awal1> lilo?
• 1021[07:27:17] <somiaj> the original linux boot loader, you can still use it in debian if you want.
• 1022[07:27:44] <somiaj> but most use grub these days, though with efi, no need for such a complicated bootloader, gumiboot is another alternative for efi
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• 1024[07:28:38] <awal1> i know whats lilo. but why he is talking about lilo right now? :P
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• 1026[07:30:11] <awal1> what is ^
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• 1029[07:34:15] <brett\> eugh.. netinst is failing at detect and mount cd-rom step? i'm not using cdrom media?
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• 1031[07:35:00] <somiaj> brett\: this time you used win32diskimager to put the iso on the usb drive?
• 1032[07:35:08] <brett\> yes
• 1033[07:35:35] <somiaj> and you put it on the drive (not a partition on the drive?) anyways I have never used win32diskimager, so unsure on the details with it
• 1034[07:35:50] <brett\> i will try writing it again to be sure
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• 1036[07:36:08] <brett\> it was presented to me as a drive letter (F: iirc) which matches what the failed 'rufus' write showed in 'my computer'
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• 1039[07:37:29] <somiaj> do you have wifi that may need non-free firwmare you want to use on your install?
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• 1042[07:39:25] <brett\> somiaj that's possible, i'm booting from a laptop w/o ethernet. i didn't see any alternate/manual wifi mentions at all yet though
• 1043[07:39:59] <somiaj> !firmware image
• 1044[07:39:59] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> images - containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for installing Debian 8 "Jessie" are available from replaced-url
• 1045[07:40:13] <somiaj> you want to use that netinstall image, most likely needed for wifi support
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• 1047[07:40:29] <brett\> thx again
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• 1051[07:41:18] <somiaj> just a suggestion if maybe something is wrong with the image you have, though the errors you get are classis errors for using rufus/unetbootin, you shouldn't get these with win32diskimager
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• 1053[07:43:05] <brett\> even this cdrom/wifi firmware problem should be okay using win32diskimager?
• 1054[07:43:28] <somiaj> yea, that is what you want to use. I'm unsure why it didn't work for you
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• 1117[08:26:53] <taq> hello, can someone help me out with this problem i have with my outdated graphics card(ati radeon 5830). So after i restarted my freshly installed fglrx driver i got my resolution but my interface is still "choppy". My xrandr output is 1600x1200 60.00*+
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• 1134[08:41:37] <taq> anyone?
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• 1148[08:55:50] <Henry151> replaced-url
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• 1150[08:57:53] <Raineer> Henry151 looks like witchcraft to me
• 1151[08:58:25] <Henry151> so, if I'm running a linux system already, I can take this debootstrap and use it to create a debian system on an unused partition of my hard-drive?
• 1152[08:58:33] <n4dir> Yes, Henry151
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• 1154[08:59:27] <Henry151> Where can I learn more about this and the live-build process? I'm looking at replaced-url
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• 1157[09:00:27] <taq> can someone help me with screen tearing on xfce
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• 1159[09:01:00] <Henry151> I want to configure a debian system in a partition on my present machine, as a sort of "trial-run," where I can make adjustments to what packages are included and configurations of things and whatever, and then I want to create an ISO that when installed comes out like that
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• 1161[09:01:19] <Henry151> any pointers in that general direction would be great
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• 1163[09:02:08] <n4dir> Henry151: i am not sure about the actual status of debian-live scripts. You might want to look at the tool refractasnapshot, not from debian.
• 1164[09:02:15] <Henry151> I feel not very eloquent about it but I think that description of what I'm trying to do hopefully will help somebody to help me find resources like tutorials or walkthroughs or other docs
• 1165[09:02:21] <Henry151> n4dir: thank you
• 1166[09:02:31] <n4dir> I think i understand what you want.
• 1167[09:02:32] <Henry151> refractasnapshot
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• 1169[09:02:47] <n4dir> Create an installation, configure it, test it, etc, then make a liveCD of it?
• 1170[09:03:30] <Henry151> liveCD, or just installation cd even, it doesn't have to be able to be run live necessarily
• 1171[09:03:32] <n4dir> also look at xnest or Xnest (i heard xephyr or Xephyr are better, but don't know). So you can also start the GUI interface
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• 1173[09:04:12] <n4dir> Henry151: iirc refractasnapshot will include a way to install (or perhaps refractainstaller is used instead of adding the debian-installer to the menu. If in doubt ask at their forum)
• 1174[09:04:51] <n4dir> It might well be it is possible to create a liveCD with official Debian tools, but i think they don't work well (well: the ones i know)
• 1175[09:05:55] <n4dir> Not sure, Henry151 i think this link is more clear than the one you posted: replaced-url
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• 1179[09:06:46] <n4dir> or this one: replaced-url
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• 1182[09:07:41] <n4dir> Henry151: everything clear as mud?
• 1183[09:07:46] <Henry151> thanks
• 1184[09:08:09] <Henry151> I haven't read all yet but you've given me great leads to follow
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• 1186[09:08:12] <n4dir> many know about debootstrap/chroot. If you run in problems: just ask
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• 1188[09:08:27] <n4dir> !debootstrap
• 1189[09:08:27] <dpkg> debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. replaced-url
• 1190[09:08:32] <n4dir> !chroot
• 1191[09:08:32] <dpkg> To chroot into your Debian system boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2). Mount your root filesystem with "mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target" and make /dev, /proc and /sys usable with "mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys". You can then chroot into the system with "chroot /target".
• 1192[09:08:44] <n4dir> ^^ that is the quick way
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• 1199[09:11:18] <Henry151> I did this operation successfully replaced-url
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• 1202[09:12:27] <n4dir> let me look at it
• 1203[09:13:03] <n4dir> doesn't open here.
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• 1205[09:14:50] <Henry151> hm
• 1206[09:14:53] <n4dir> does open. Looks like they do it with a script?
• 1207[09:16:05] <n4dir> ah, yeah, and it seems with live-build.
• 1208[09:17:45] <n4dir> Perhaps i recall wrong, but i think live-build removed the option to create a liveCD from the running system
• 1209[09:18:11] <n4dir> if it works for kali, then it should still work. Duh.
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• 1211[09:19:18] <n4dir> Though: if you mount the free partition, use debootstrap to install debian to the mounted partition, do chroot and configure it
• 1212[09:19:41] <n4dir> there really is no need to create a CD or iso. Just add it to grub and boot into it
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• 1303[10:09:51] <eKyNoX> Hey there, I'm looking for a console specialist to help me build a high-resolution / nice font / colored graphical console at computer starts (maybe using uvesafb) instead of having windowed environment by default (I should be able to launch graphical env if needed). Someone built something great already about that ? It's a matter of great visual result. Got some screen examples ? Thanks anyway.
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• 1322[10:24:58] <jelly> eKyNoX: sounds like what you actually need is a font and background artist, and art does not come cheap. what's the budget?
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• 1336[10:33:03] <eKyNoX> jelly: no real art needed here. Just a sharing community, as I do usually :) I intend to do this myself, just need advices
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• 1341[10:37:17] <jelly> fbterm may be useful
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• 1344[10:37:58] <eKyNoX> tyvm, looking at this jelly
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• 1351[10:43:20] <eKyNoX> Nice way of doing what I look to ascomplish jelly, sorry for no money to make here ^^
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• 1502[12:14:10] <Wizard> Hi.
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• 1504[12:14:37] <Wizard> Any gtk tool for update notifications and "app stoore like" package management?
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• 1521[12:27:45] <Dreaman> Wizard use terminal
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• 1526[12:31:22] <Wizard> Nice hint!
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• 1557[12:51:11] <mietsin> anybody using rear relax and recover bare metal restore on Jessie?
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• 1561[12:55:24] <rgammans> Does anyone know what happened to ext2prepare ?
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• 1563[12:55:42] <rgammans> I desont' seem to be in e2fsprogs these days
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• 1578[13:01:56] <fluffyship> hello everyone, I have an HP 15ay051nl, new, and when I try to boot debian from USB for some reason it does not detect it, and windows boots automatically.
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• 1580[13:02:28] <abrotman> how did you prepare the USB?
• 1581[13:02:33] <fluffyship> I disable the secure boot of course and, for some reason, while debian and debian+non-free don't work, linux mint debian edition starts just fine (!!)
• 1582[13:02:45] <fluffyship> dd if=file.iso of=/dev/sdX
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• 1587[13:03:07] <abrotman> which ISO did oyu use?
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• 1589[13:03:26] <fluffyship> debian-live-8.7.1-amd64-cinnamon-desktop+nonfree
• 1590[13:03:55] <fluffyship> but I also tried the jessie 8.7.1 "normal" amd64 before
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• 1593[13:05:05] <fluffyship> I also tried the bunsenlabs iso, which is another debian-based distro, and that doesn't boot neither
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• 1596[13:05:41] <fluffyship> (I know we are not supposed to talk about other distros, but it was just a test, I'd like to install debian just with debian official repos)
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• 1607[13:09:31] <abrotman> fluffyship: are you trying to install, or just run it?
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• 1609[13:10:05] <fluffyship> I'd like to have a live run first to check that all the hardware works, so to test wifi, audio and so on, and then install it
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• 1611[13:10:28] <fluffyship> but I mean, just having a little boot, even just a word before going into windows would be nice =D
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• 1616[13:12:02] <eugenmayer1> hello. on one of my debian boxes very single wget on a SSL site ends up in a certificate validation error. i have ca-certificates installed
• 1617[13:12:45] <eugenmayer1> its a debian 6 instance, so fairly old of course ( the last one in the infra though ). Any ideas why this might happen?
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• 1620[13:15:18] <abrotman> fluffyship: my point was going to be to try the stretch RC1
• 1621[13:15:33] <abrotman> eugenmayer1: Do you know what the CA is?
• 1622[13:15:46] <eugenmayer1> aure abrotman
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• 1624[13:16:14] <eugenmayer1> s/aure/sure
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• 1626[13:17:21] <eugenmayer1> abrotman: sorry, missread your question. It does not matter which SSL site i query. Be it replaced-url
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• 1628[13:17:59] <eugenmayer1> AddTrust ist the root for api. and Comodo RSA for GoEdit.ui
• 1629[13:18:49] <eugenmayer1> abrotman: interestingly replaced-url
• 1630[13:19:28] <abrotman> I'd just wonder if the CA for the others isn't available in your older version of ca-certs
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• 1633[13:19:49] <fluffyship> abrotman, mmhm, I wanted to keep to stable if possible... but I'll give it a shot, even if just to test it, thanks!
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• 1635[13:20:16] <eugenmayer1> abrotman: yes, thats why i used by debian 8 boxed, tared /etc/ssl/certs /usr/share/ca-certificates and transfered them
• 1636[13:20:59] <eugenmayer1> but that did not fix it. I was thinking about the same. I currently think it might be rather an sign rsa key verification issue, though debian and goedit and api use SHA265
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• 1638[13:21:49] <rgammans> whats the easiest way to resize a filesystem ; when resize2fs reports " Filesystem does not support online resizing"; I was going to use ext2prepare but cant find what package that is in
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• 1640[13:22:02] <eugenmayer1> rgammans: which FS?
• 1641[13:22:06] <rgammans> ext3
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• 1644[13:22:50] <eugenmayer1> try ext2online
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• 1648[13:24:03] <rgammans> I cant find a package called that in the sources list.
• 1649[13:24:12] <rgammans> I 'm sure it used to exist.
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• 1652[13:26:05] <eugenmayer1> abrotman: could it be the openssl version?
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• 1681[13:39:22] <abrotman> eugenmayer1: I mean, maybe? but that seems iffy. You could setup a VM to test it
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• 1683[13:39:37] <abrotman> rgammans: try packages.debian.org
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• 1690[13:41:27] <tp43_> Hi abrotman Sometimes my chromium crashes and so I use #killall chromium. And then when I restart chromium, it takes up space on the screen but it is completely transparent. So I have to restart my computer to get chromium back working. Do you know by chance what happens during reboot that refreshes chromium so I could perform that action instead of actually restarting to refresh chromium. I tried deleting .config/chromium and .cache/chromium b
• 1691[13:41:27] <tp43_> ut that didn't work.
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• 1693[13:42:58] <tp43_> oh btw, actually I have to call #killall chromium twice if that gives a clue of something
• 1694[13:43:54] <fluffyship> abrotman, thanks, stretch RC1 worked! Why do you think that is?
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• 1697[13:44:19] <teraflops> tp43_: if anyone has an answer for you appart from abrotman are we supposed to tell you?
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• 1700[13:47:13] <abrotman> fluffyship: different kernel, different drivers, all sorts of resaons
• 1701[13:47:23] <fluffyship> abrotman, ok, thanks
• 1702[13:47:26] <abrotman> tp43_: have you actually looked to see if it was dead after killing?
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• 1705[13:48:15] <fluffyship> abrotman, just a think, seems like the wifi doesn't see any network, and it is a +non-free, any chance that I can find the drivers elsewhere?
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• 1707[13:48:33] <fluffyship> or anyway, what can I do? ?D
• 1708[13:48:45] <abrotman> fluffyship: what driver is it? is the firmware installed?
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• 1711[13:48:56] <fluffyship> tp43_, doing a killall -9 did not stop it neither?
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• 1713[13:49:34] <rgammans> abortman : no luck , I think it been removed . I'll try bugs
• 1714[13:49:36] <fluffyship> abrotman, Just a minute, I have to check what wifi it has, drivers and all :)
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• 1720[13:52:22] <tp43_> abrotman, yes, if I call it once, you will still see there is a process. When it is running, all things fine, I see mutliple chromium in ps -e, maybe one for each tab.
• 1721[13:52:40] <abrotman> tp43_: sounds like it's not really dead?
• 1722[13:52:49] <tp43_> fluffyship, maybe, never tried, killing it is not the problem I don't think
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• 1724[13:53:09] <tp43_> abrotman, so killing it is the problem? Cause calling $killall chromium twice does kill it
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• 1726[13:53:18] <tp43_> abrotman, it is restarting it that is the problem
• 1727[13:53:22] <abrotman> tp43_: I mean, maybe you sohuld figure out why it's locking up ...
• 1728[13:53:29] <abrotman> I'd try a new profile, update flash
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• 1731[13:53:42] <tp43_> I update my whole system
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• 1733[13:53:53] <tp43_> abrotman, what do you mean by new profile
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• 1745[13:59:43] <rgammans> If anyone else needs this the ext2prepare binary was removed. See bugs #400797, and formal removal #553894
• 1746[13:59:44] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 1751[14:00:55] <rgammans> judd: snap = yeah looks like it won't have worked for me any; I 'll have to backup and reformat. The partition in question isn't huge by modern standards anyway
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• 1772[14:05:17] <CuSn> Hi. Want to modify the lowest level keyboard mapping so i can have cap-lock swapped w control in the virtual consoles
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• 1775[14:05:47] <CuSn> anyone know where that file is? i can't seem to find it via man this morning
• 1776[14:06:02] <jim> hi... trying to get libssl sources, and I get this error back: E: Failed to fetch replaced-url
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• 1781[14:06:53] <CuSn> jim: 403 - usually means there is a network hiccup, or the server is down?
• 1782[14:07:19] <jim> tried a couple different mirrors, and it downloaded other files
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• 1784[14:07:33] <jim> (in both cases)
• 1785[14:07:40] <CuSn> well rats.
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• 1787[14:08:00] <jim> yeah, thanks for responding
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• 1791[14:09:33] <CuSn> can you ping that server?
• 1792[14:10:02] <themill> ftp.us.d.o is rarely a good choice given the way it works
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• 1794[14:10:33] <themill> (there is not a "that server" but a dns round robin meaning that it's stupidly hard to debug any problem you find)
• 1795[14:10:51] <CuSn> go to replaced-url
• 1796[14:10:58] <CuSn> *GOT to
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• 1799[14:12:15] <realies> how much is the performance impact when using lvm + encryption on an ssd?
• 1800[14:12:26] <realies> also does it mean that you need to type in a password on each power cycle?
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• 1809[14:14:10] <CuSn> iirc except for a small amount of startup cost LVM has no real impact on performance (omce mapping is done, it's static. )
• 1810[14:14:19] <CuSn> thats all I got
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• 1817[14:15:44] <realies> what about passwords on each power cycle?
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• 1819[14:15:53] <CuSn> dunno
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• 1821[14:16:27] <themill> a decryption key has to come from somewhere
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• 1823[14:16:51] <CuSn> I hear Putin will happily supply you with one...
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• 1826[14:17:04] <realies> xD
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• 1829[14:17:30] <sonOfRa> realies: you can also use some other key material, like a USB stick you plug in. However, I wouldn't advise to carry around a USB stick with unprotected key material.
• 1830[14:17:30] <realies> ok, rebooting the install...
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• 1832[14:17:51] <sonOfRa> So yes, password on power cycle in SOME form is inevitable
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• 1836[14:18:25] <realies> thanks
• 1837[14:18:55] <realies> do I need LVM or not at all?
• 1838[14:19:08] <realies> i can use guided (entire disk) or lvm (entire disk)
• 1839[14:19:39] <sonOfRa> LVM allows you to resize your partitions even in the running system later on
• 1840[14:20:06] <realies> sounds useful, any overhead?
• 1841[14:20:15] <sonOfRa> marginal
• 1842[14:20:23] <sonOfRa> In other words: None that you'll notice
• 1843[14:20:59] <CuSn> there are tools that allow you to resize existing partitions, but you have to unmount those file systems while they work.
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• 1845[14:21:42] <CuSn> thechief benefit of LVM is to have a filesystem that goes over the physical disk boundaries. eg - N disks, == 1 filesystem.
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• 1851[14:23:31] <CuSn> given the huge size of disks today (just spent $80 on 2 TB ), LVM is rarely needed for a personal machine. For specific technical applications (DNA, proteins, movie editing) multi-v olume filesystemsare an absolute must
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• 1853[14:24:50] * CuSn notes that when he started out, disk drives were the size of washing machines and held an awe inspiring 80 Mb.
• 1854[14:25:53] <NiLon> 80 MB :o that has been massive
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• 1860[14:26:58] <themill> lvm makes sense on personal machines as a route to encrypting the disk easily -- lvm inside luks
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• 1862[14:28:00] <CuSn> Is that a lot different from just ancrypting a partition?
• 1863[14:28:26] <themill> If you've got more than one partition, yes
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• 1866[14:29:22] <raidghost> Why does debian output partman-lvm incorrect metadata area header checksum on /dev/sda1 at offset 4096 ?
• 1867[14:29:28] <raidghost> All i want is to setup lvm
• 1868[14:29:28] <epsilon> without lvm you have to enter passphrase for every single partition
• 1869[14:29:44] <CuSn> epsilon: ah.
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• 1874[14:30:57] <petn-randall> hi raidghost, what are you doing exactly, what do you expect, what do you get instead?
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• 1882[14:36:41] <minionsfanboy> i have debian 8.0.0 cd do i need to download the latest or can i do a installation with 8.0.0 ?
• 1883[14:37:44] <themill> You can just use that CD and then install the security updates after
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• 1886[14:38:25] <Brigo> and apt-get update && apt-get upgrade should be enought
• 1887[14:38:30] <Brigo> an*
• 1888[14:38:53] <minionsfanboy> thank you, because i though i have a very old version after the installation
• 1889[14:38:57] <minionsfanboy> cool that i can still use that
• 1890[14:39:26] <Brigo> minionsfanboy, you will end up with the last Jessie version, 8.7, i think.
• 1891[14:39:40] <minionsfanboy> cool thank you
• 1892[14:39:48] <Brigo> np :)
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• 1895[14:41:21] <unborn> does anyone know how to create .bin from hdd?
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• 1898[14:42:21] <Brigo> unborn, cat /dev/hdd > hdd.bin
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• 1900[14:42:49] <unborn> Brigo: oh is that simple like this? - thank you!
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• 1902[14:43:27] <Brigo> unborn, you can also use dd if=/dev/hdd of=hdd.iso, check google for more hints/ways.
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• 1904[14:45:36] <c0rwin> /msg NickServ REGISTER beamio2016# zglozman@beame.io
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• 1907[14:48:10] * unborn Brigo thank you!
• 1908[14:48:53] <raidghost> Why is partman-lvm sometimes a pain in the * ?
• 1909[14:48:58] <unborn> c0rwin: oh do it without space just in front of /msg.. and make sure you use new password!
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• 1915[14:53:09] <unborn> Brigo: that worked for me, finally. Thanks
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• 1957[15:24:11] <airking> I have downloaded a file with lynxs, but I cannot find where it downloaded to.
• 1958[15:24:17] <airking> can anyone hell?
• 1959[15:24:20] <airking> help*
• 1960[15:24:41] <airking> If nobody knows the default locati9n how would I search for it?
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• 1964[15:27:21] <Silicium> hi there
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• 1968[15:28:41] <zykotick9> airking: check the location you ran/started lynx from
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• 1973[15:31:35] <MaxLanar> Hi. How can I force aptitude to remove a package when an other one depends on it ?
• 1974[15:31:56] <MaxLanar> I can't find anyhting useful in the man or the web
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• 1976[15:32:32] <themill> MaxLanar: what are you really trying to achieve?
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• 1981[15:36:37] <MaxLanar> themill: I have both gnupg and gnupg2 on my box, but according to this replaced-url
• 1982[15:37:28] <MaxLanar> So I wanted to remove gnupg (at least temporarily) to see if things get better
• 1983[15:38:00] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1708
• 1984[15:38:39] <themill> if you want a big hammer to break the dependencies, then you'd use dpkg directly; apt will want to fix the damage prior to doing anything else later on
• 1985[15:39:09] <themill> Given that it will just be running gpg or gpg2 though, it seems unlikely that's an issue
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• 1990[15:41:45] <airking> zykotick9: no dice, I started it from /home/airking. the file is not there
• 1991[15:42:08] <MaxLanar> themill: 'dpkg -r gnupg --force depends' made the trick, thank you
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• 1996[15:43:39] <GenTooMan> Well it helps to install the dev part of a package to use it properly. (sigh)
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• 1998[15:44:19] <zykotick9> airking: if you know the filename you could "find / -iname 'foo' 2>/dev/null" perhaps?
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• 2004[15:46:49] <airking> zykotick9: tried that, i get no response
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• 2006[15:47:11] <airking> i didnt do the 2>/dev/null thing
• 2007[15:47:24] <zykotick9> airking: that just gets rid fo errors
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• 2010[15:47:41] <airking> let me try again
• 2011[15:47:55] <zykotick9> airking: well, i have nothing further to suggest, so best of luck!
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• 2013[15:51:10] <airking> fuck it, I got wget working. i'll just wait another 11 hours for the dl
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• 2102[16:25:44] <moncko> Hey, how to create ESP for efi?
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• 2105[16:26:10] <moncko> When i set boot flag in parted i only see boot and not boot,esp
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• 2133[16:41:34] <domovoy> hi
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• 2141[16:45:34] <domovoy> I'm using fusionforge on debian stable, using backports repo. Any idea how to make fusionforge-plugin-mediawiki work? Or should i better go with moinmoin? (i'd REALLY prefer mediawiki)
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• 2167[17:04:45] <edi> hi
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• 2169[17:05:03] <edi> i'm setting up an openvpn box with debian as os , via aws
• 2170[17:05:40] <edi> after struggling with the dns resolution inside the vpc (resolved now) I cant resolve domains when the client is connected to the vpn server
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• 2173[17:05:46] <edi> so no resolution from the client machine
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• 2175[17:06:04] <edi> strange thing is, that if I do dig@nameversinsidevpc domain
• 2176[17:06:05] <edi> it works
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• 2178[17:06:12] <edi> but ping / browsing to that domain fails
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• 2180[17:06:35] <edi> and I think I tried every possible configuration of dhcp-option dns push
• 2181[17:06:41] <edi> any ideas here?
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• 2191[17:11:56] <systop> Hello all, i intentionally deleted my i965_dri.so file and now I need it back does anyone know where I can get this firmeware file
• 2192[17:12:54] <missmbob> reinstall libgl1-mesa-dri
• 2193[17:13:12] <systop> ta I'll try that
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• 2195[17:15:01] <zykotick9> systop: <sidenote for next time> perhaps moving files, rather than deleting them, would be a better plan... ymmv
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• 2201[17:16:14] <systop> zykotick9: ill remember that for next time. I thought I didnt need the file. but Opps
• 2202[17:16:33] <systop> it's back now.
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• 2206[17:19:17] <systop> missmbob Thanks heaps my X is back.
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• 2230[17:37:21] <GenTooMan> Is there a gui based system log tool?
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• 2242[17:45:05] <GPenguin> GenTooMan: what would that do? you can open your logs with gedit
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• 2248[17:47:43] <Plushwolf> Hi
• 2249[17:48:25] <CodeMachine> Hey guys. I'm Trying to download Qubes OS with signature but I'm not sure if I'm doing this correct. It's the first time I try this. Maybe someone can tell me if I'm doing this correct? qubes-os.org/downloads --> download "signature" --> open program KGPG --> file --> open editor --> signature --> verify signature --> sign/verify but now I get error: signing not possible, bad passphrase or missing key. What key does he mean? Mine or qubes?
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• 2251[17:48:56] <Plushwolf> After installing a backports kernel (4.8.0) in Debian Jessie my xserver doesn't start anymore, I just get a blinking terminal cursor and I don't have any running X or so. What can I do?
• 2252[17:49:21] <GenTooMan> gpenguin heh the problem is I have an application opened that took over one of my displays, for some reason it's now the default display thus I either close the application to view logs. Oh probably should anyhow. Trying to figure out why the system freezes when running a certain program.
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• 2255[17:49:58] <Plushwolf> I've installed linux-image-amd86/4.8+77~bpo8+1
• 2256[17:51:01] <systop> Plushwolf try ctrl + alt + F2
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• 2261[17:51:20] <systop> Plushwolf this sould give you console
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• 2273[17:57:11] <Plushwolf> systop: And how can the console help me if I need X buit X doesn't work?
• 2274[17:57:24] <Plushwolf> *but
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• 2279[17:58:18] <realies`> anyone with experience installing seafile on jessie?
• 2280[17:59:12] <systop> Pluswolf: now run #dmesg | grep EE
• 2281[17:59:33] <systop> this will show you what is erroring
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• 2283[17:59:54] <zykotick9> Plushwolf: does booting your old kernel give you a working xorg?
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• 2287[18:00:41] <hubot> Hi!
• 2288[18:01:15] <hubot> My Debian doesn't awake after suspending it
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• 2297[18:04:06] <oty> hey
• 2298[18:04:12] <oty> mencoder does not exist anymore ? oO
• 2299[18:04:19] <oty> I don't find it anywhere
• 2300[18:04:19] <ompaul> hubot: replaced-url
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• 2302[18:06:25] <zykotick9> oty: i hear mplayer will be returning to stable in stretch... you might want to try libavutil or ffmpeg (from backports) perhaps. good luck.
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• 2305[18:08:06] <oty> arf
• 2306[18:08:08] <oty> :(
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• 2309[18:09:19] <Plushwolf> zykotick9: yes
• 2310[18:10:05] <zykotick9> Plushwolf: have you installed video drivers from a vendors website? (vs installing from debian's repo)
• 2311[18:10:22] <Plushwolf> zykotick9: I only have Intel graphics
• 2312[18:10:29] <Plushwolf> zykotick9: brb, rebooting
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• 2315[18:10:51] <missmbob> oh that's what people are doing now?
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• 2320[18:11:14] <missmbob> with intel? wtf
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• 2322[18:12:48] <Plushwolf> Okay
• 2323[18:12:53] <Plushwolf> dmesg | grep EE
• 2324[18:13:19] <Plushwolf> no output
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• 2326[18:13:40] <zykotick9> Plushwolf: i doubt grep EE from dmesg is very helpful. i think they meant to do that EE grep on xorg log output?!?!
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• 2329[18:14:25] <Plushwolf> (EE) no screen found(EE)
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• 2331[18:15:54] <zykotick9> Plushwolf: if you run "lspci -v | grep -i vga" do you ONLY have intel, or is this hybrid intel+SOMETHINGELSE?
• 2332[18:16:05] <Plushwolf> I only have Intel
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• 2334[18:16:17] <Plushwolf> And I don't have any dedicated GPU or so
• 2335[18:16:19] <Plushwolf> only Intel
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• 2340[18:17:43] <zykotick9> Plushwolf: sorry, i have no suggestions. intel has _almost_ always just worked for me. best of luck. PS. did you have a reason for installing backport kernel?
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• 2342[18:18:11] <Plushwolf> Kaby Lake chipset
• 2343[18:18:40] <mtn> Plushwolf: did you install the intel video driver from backports, too? if not, do so
• 2344[18:19:02] <Plushwolf> What's the package name?
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• 2352[18:21:12] <Plushwolf> Okay, now it works
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• 2375[18:32:04] <Plushwolf> Does kernel 3.16 from Debian support Kaby Lake btw?
• 2376[18:32:10] <Plushwolf> If yes I don't need backports
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• 2378[18:32:51] <missmbob> no
• 2379[18:33:15] <Plushwolf> Okay then :)
• 2380[18:33:31] <Plushwolf> But thanks for all zykotick9 and mtn :)
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• 2433[19:07:40] <crzyp3ck> if a cpu has an i686 instruction set is running i386 linux on it make it faster as oppose to running i686 linux?
• 2434[19:07:59] <phogg> crzyp3ck: no
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• 2437[19:08:36] <phogg> crzyp3ck: if anything the opposite would be true. i686 is a superset of i386, by not making use of the extra functionality you are only being slower not faster
• 2438[19:08:39] <crzyp3ck> phogg: running i686 linux would be faster then?
• 2439[19:08:50] <phogg> crzyp3ck: more efficient, anyway
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• 2441[19:09:16] <crzyp3ck> so I should go with i686 linux?
• 2442[19:09:33] <crzyp3ck> for i686 cpu
• 2443[19:09:39] <crzyp3ck> yes phogg ?
• 2444[19:09:40] <phogg> crzyp3ck: you should go with whatever is native for your hardware
• 2445[19:10:16] <crzyp3ck> debian/ubuntu only has i386 not i686.
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• 2448[19:10:42] <oty> crzyp3ck, nope, i688 they have
• 2449[19:10:47] <oty> look for amd64
• 2450[19:10:58] <oty> lot of name for the same stuff
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• 2461[19:15:36] <crzyp3ck> oty? what i686 isn't amd64
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• 2463[19:17:42] <missmbob> nothing about what he said was true. i thought we were just having it off?
• 2464[19:17:45] <oty> oops
• 2465[19:17:59] <oty> yup my bad
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• 2471[19:23:31] <oty> crzyp3ck (I suceeded confusing x86 and 686 :D)
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• 2487[19:35:07] <CodeMachine> What is this font called? ^^
• 2488[19:36:21] <TomTomTo1> you know we don't necessarily use the same font as you?
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• 2491[19:36:54] <CodeMachine> I can't even change it. The standard font in pidgin?
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• 2495[19:37:48] <missmbob> pidgin just defaults to whatever your de defaults to
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• 2497[19:38:04] <AlexLikeRock> CodeMachine, a skyn ?
• 2498[19:38:25] <AlexLikeRock> haaa
• 2499[19:38:35] <AlexLikeRock> font
• 2500[19:38:39] <AlexLikeRock> its easy
• 2501[19:38:54] <AlexLikeRock> i have Question
• 2502[19:39:10] <AlexLikeRock> a video converter
• 2503[19:39:17] <AlexLikeRock> like winff
• 2504[19:39:53] <TomTomTo1> sentences. use them.
• 2505[19:40:56] <AlexLikeRock> ineed
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• 2562[20:13:46] <oty> why jessie doesn't have mencoder ? While stretch sid and weezy have ?
• 2563[20:14:21] <oty> always thought that mencoder and mplayer were two face of the same animal
• 2564[20:15:20] <teclo-> historical reasons
• 2565[20:15:22] <zykotick9> oty: jessie doesn't have mplayer...
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• 2592[20:24:14] <teraflops> AlexLikeRock: ffmpeg/libav-tools
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• 2603[20:29:59] <awal1> apt-get purge libreoffice* ok, but how to achieve the same with aptitude?
• 2604[20:30:06] <awal1> I mean pkg*
• 2605[20:31:19] <CodeMachine> Is there anyway to see what nonfree software I've installed threw synaptic?
• 2606[20:31:40] <zykotick9> CodeMachine: you could install the crappy "vrms" package
• 2607[20:32:14] <CodeMachine> zykotick9: How come it's crappy?
• 2608[20:32:17] <AlexLikeRock> teraflops, , not by terminal
• 2609[20:32:21] <AlexLikeRock> no taks
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• 2613[20:32:48] <zykotick9> CodeMachine: it's just poorly named i guess. all vrms does is list packages installed from contrib and non-free, that's all it does.
• 2614[20:33:08] <CodeMachine> zykotick9: Exacly what I need then :) Thanks bruh.
• 2615[20:33:38] <somiaj> I think you can use aptitude search to tell you what non-free and contrib packages you have installed too
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• 2618[20:35:28] <somiaj> also remove contrib and non-free from your sources.list and running aptitude search ~o should tell you too
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• 2620[20:36:10] <CodeMachine> somiaj: Ok, mrms listed my nonfree so that worked. Anyway, is there any chanse that nonfree can be a security breach ?
• 2621[20:36:26] <CodeMachine> I mean, is there any difference between non free and free in a matter of security
• 2622[20:36:41] <zykotick9> somiaj: that's a round-about-method... aptitude search seems to have almost limitless options... i'd be surprised if there wasn't a direct method to list contrib/non-free...
• 2623[20:36:43] <TomTomTo1> yes, the security team does not cover non-free.
• 2624[20:37:06] <CodeMachine> wtf is this shit. Virtualbox is nonfree?
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• 2626[20:37:51] <awal1> I'm playing with my debian VM. I want to remove all libreoffice stuff but apt-get purge libreoffice* wants to remove the whole gnome too. So I did apt-mark manual libreoffice and all fine, all libreoffice related stuff are marked manual, but apt-get purge libreoffice* still want to remove gnome
• 2627[20:38:01] <awal1> I want to kick off all libreoffice
• 2628[20:38:19] <dontknow> CodeMachine, it requires non-free software to compile
• 2629[20:38:27] <awal1> apt-mark manual libreoffice* ^
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• 2631[20:39:29] <CodeMachine> dontknow: kk. Is there any way to see what software I got that is nonfree, without nonfree software to compile?
• 2632[20:39:34] <zykotick9> awal1: i wouldn't bother... breaking meta-packages is a pita imo. are you really that short on space? <- fyi, i approach this metapackage issue from the opposite direction, i start with nothing and only install what i want (avoiding the big metapackages), BUT i don't use a DE. good luck.
• 2633[20:40:49] <TomTomTo1> awal1: gnome still depends on libreoffice. marking it as manually installed does not change that.
• 2634[20:41:16] <dontknow> CodeMachine, i don't know. do you want completely free system?
• 2635[20:41:31] <awal1> zykotick9, it' just a VM and I wanted to try recent gnome but I just want to kick libreoffice, not needed
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• 2637[20:41:41] <awal1> TomTomTo1, oh, true
• 2638[20:41:53] <awal1> gnome depends on libreoffice
• 2639[20:41:57] <CodeMachine> dontknow: I want to make sure I don't have any form of security breach. but it looks like the only I got now is nvidia drivesrs (installed from debian website), piding and virtualbox.
• 2640[20:42:00] <njimiuo> I have problem
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• 2644[20:42:25] <awal1> :( I wasn't expecting that. ok, thanks. giving up so
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• 2646[20:43:01] <dontknow> CodeMachine, pidgin is free software
• 2647[20:43:01] <zykotick9> dpkg: tell CodeMachine why nvidia installer sucks
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• 2650[20:43:37] <CodeMachine> dontknow: how come it pops up on my list over nonfree when running mrms?
• 2651[20:43:38] <zykotick9> !tell CodeMachine why nvidia installer sucks
• 2652[20:43:57] <CodeMachine> zykotick9: Does that go for the one installed via debian too? Not threw nvidia.
• 2653[20:44:05] <n4dir> any many like qemu instead of Virtualbox CodeMachine (might be worth to consider)
• 2654[20:44:06] <CodeMachine> looks like dpkg does not agree with you
• 2655[20:44:11] <zykotick9> CodeMachine: sorry can't remember the tell command, but you should really read "/msg dpkg why nvidia installer sucks"
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• 2657[20:44:36] <njimiuo> I have a device that reads bootcode from the sd slot, but the sd in it is very small, however, it has 4 usb slots (large usb devices) ; how can I let it boot from sd and let the usb take over (thus using the usb to store packages, home folders, etc)
• 2658[20:44:39] <zykotick9> CodeMachine: no, teh debian provided nvidia drivers would be MUCH MUCH better!
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• 2660[20:45:09] <CodeMachine> zykotick9: ye that's the ones I installed with. Stil it's under my nonfree list?
• 2661[20:45:19] <zykotick9> CodeMachine: still "non free garbage" <- in my opinion! but that's a TOTALLY different issue. i'm a BIG fsf supporter, running libreboot on all my systems.
• 2662[20:46:10] <n4dir> as far pidgin is concerned:
• 2663[20:46:14] <n4dir> CH_ROOT# grep non-free /etc/apt/sources.list
• 2664[20:46:14] <n4dir> CH_ROOT# apt-cache show pidgin
• 2665[20:46:14] <n4dir> Package: pidgin
• 2666[20:46:19] <n4dir> ...
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• 2668[20:46:59] <CodeMachine> So to make this easy for me, I should just clean up my sources.list (remove non free) and remove all nonfree and download thoose I can download again?
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• 2670[20:47:16] <zykotick9> n4dir: ahhh, pidgin is in main (ie it's free software)....
• 2671[20:47:22] <awal1> but for general learning I still curious about the aptitude equivalent of apt-/apt-get option pkgname* . why aptitude doesn't interpret * as apt?
• 2672[20:47:34] <liske1> exit
• 2673[20:47:34] <CodeMachine> zykotick9: but stil non free according to mrms.
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• 2676[20:47:51] <zykotick9> CodeMachine: DON'T install software from outside of debian.
• 2677[20:47:56] <zykotick9> !dontbreakdebian
• 2678[20:47:56] <dpkg> dont break debian is, like, replaced-url
• 2679[20:48:45] <zykotick9> CodeMachine: to use contrib & non-free is a decision YOU need to make. but don't install the driver from nvidia.com whatever you do!
• 2680[20:48:49] <CodeMachine> Yes I don't, but didn't know "nonfree" is breaking it
• 2681[20:49:00] <CodeMachine> I did not!
• 2682[20:49:13] <njimiuo> does anyone have some insight in my issue?
• 2683[20:49:41] <dontknow> CodeMachine, you want security? what is your cpu
• 2684[20:50:26] <njimiuo> dontknow: security in an age where uefi bios starts networking . . .
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• 2686[20:51:09] <CodeMachine> it's intel i5
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• 2688[20:51:17] <zykotick9> njimiuo: maybe for you (and many others), but not for everyone....
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• 2692[20:51:54] <dontknow> CodeMachine, have fun with intel management engine blob
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• 2698[20:52:38] <CodeMachine> Lucky I have a motherboard and CPU with amd next to me ;)
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• 2702[20:53:11] <CodeMachine> I guess it's also like a bottle of win, the older it is the better.
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• 2704[20:54:39] <likcoras> Is there a preferred/recommended way to do stable->testing upgrade between apt and aptitude?
• 2705[20:54:51] <zykotick9> CodeMachine: not any amd post 2013 is basically in the same boat as intelme :( replaced-url
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• 2707[20:55:08] <likcoras> I saw apt-get, but just want to confirm.
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• 2710[20:55:28] <zykotick9> !jessie->stretch
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• 2714[20:55:59] <zykotick9> likcoras: do "/msg dpkg jessie->stretch" and follow-read the instructions
• 2715[20:56:08] <likcoras> did, so apt-get, then?
• 2716[20:56:19] <CodeMachine> zykotick9: More reading. Think I have like a couple of books infront of me now xD Thanks I'll read threw this once I'm done with my closest mission.
• 2717[20:56:32] <likcoras> Thanks!
• 2718[20:56:37] <n4dir> CodeMachine: i installed pidgin and vrms, ran vrms and it doesn't list pidgin
• 2719[20:56:43] <dontknow> CodeMachine, if you are not interested in core meaning of free software, then you are fine with a couple of nonfree software
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• 2721[20:57:01] <zykotick9> n4dir: pidgin is in main!
• 2722[20:57:24] <n4dir> zykotick9: i know that pidgin is in main
• 2723[20:57:41] <CodeMachine> n4dir: sorry, it's not pidgin it's pidgin-skype
• 2724[20:57:43] <njimiuo> I have a device that reads bootcode from the sd slot, but the sd in it is very small, however, it has 4 usb slots (large usb devices) ; how can I let it boot from sd and let the usb take over (thus using the usb to store packages, home folders, etc)
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• 2729[20:58:57] <n4dir> CodeMachine: ah. ok.
• 2730[20:58:59] <zykotick9> n4dir: i couldn't understand why you where looking for pidgin in vrms, vrms only lists contrib/non-free.... but CodeMachine just filled in hte missing piece ;) sorry.
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• 2732[20:59:44] <somiaj> zykotick9: my thought was more if someone wanted to remove contrib/non-free...but yes, it is not the most efficent.
• 2733[20:59:46] <CodeMachine> anyway, my head is overloaded atm. Gotta talk a walk and buy some coffe. Thanks for the fine information.
• 2734[20:59:54] <n4dir> mainly to waste a bit of time ... Gotta say that from the top of my head i don't know much software which is in non-free (besides graphics and wireless)
• 2735[21:00:18] <somiaj> CodeMachine: due to the nature of non-free they may not be as secure and sometimes you are left up to waiting for the vendor to provide a fix, though debian will provided fixes if they are avaialble.
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• 2737[21:00:57] <somiaj> CodeMachine: note Virtualbox is in contrib, not non-free. In this case the bios requires non-free software to compile, the rest is free.
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• 2743[21:03:57] <dontknow> qemu is great. i made a shortcut and assigned an icon. when i double click on it VM opens
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• 2748[21:05:49] <Mitchell92> Hey... I wanted to load linux on an ultrabook I have, I was hoping someone could tell me of the advantages of using debian versus ubuntu?
• 2749[21:06:21] <n4dir> !why debian
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• 2752[21:06:30] <dpkg> Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also replaced-url
• 2753[21:07:18] <n4dir> does that help?
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• 2756[21:07:42] <dontknow> Mitchell92, for example, on debian you get vlc security updates. but on ubuntu you don't get it
• 2757[21:07:51] <Mitchell92> ahh I see
• 2758[21:08:18] <n4dir> Mitchell92: you are already comfortable with ubuntu?
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• 2760[21:08:40] <zykotick9> somiaj: have you seen the Virtualbox instructions for stretch? replaced-url
• 2761[21:08:41] <Mitchell92> I do hobbyist programming, web design, graphic design, some scripting... I usually have 3 machines, laptops, that I just switch between based on my task. I enjoy my MacBook for casual use and typing my papers for class, MSI notebook for games, and ultrabooks I usually have run linux on just for casual lounging around.
• 2762[21:08:46] <Mitchell92> I am...
• 2763[21:08:51] <Mitchell92> I started with Linux back with Redhat...
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• 2765[21:09:08] <Mitchell92> and then moved over to suse, then ubuntu and mint...
• 2766[21:09:46] <Mitchell92> I have debian running on my web server, although in all honestly its something i just set up and left. I enjoy the package manager and how I can update the system easily without having to spend lots of time to maintain it
• 2767[21:10:17] <n4dir> Ah. Well: else i would have said sticking to what one knows isn't always a bad option.
• 2768[21:10:32] <Mitchell92> I'm looking for good performance.
• 2769[21:10:50] <n4dir> Imho debian is good when it comes to performance
• 2770[21:10:52] <Mitchell92> It's a machine I got in May for a good price on amazon, around $500... hp pavilion x360, SSD, dual core 6th gen i5, and 8GB of RAM.
• 2771[21:10:53] <TomTomTo1> you will not see much difference.
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• 2775[21:11:37] <Mitchell92> Yeah. How is it with touch screen input on gnome 3? I am hoping to use it in the tablet mode and just use it on the couch to do my reading for electronic textbooks for class.
• 2776[21:11:37] <akella> d
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• 2778[21:11:46] <Mitchell92> transferring to an online university to finish up my IT degree in March.
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• 2782[21:12:26] <sterkh> anybody can help me? change mask sterkh@unaffiliated/sterkh -> *!*@debian/sterkh
• 2783[21:12:28] <sterkh> ?
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• 2790[21:15:58] <dontknow> Mitchell92, debian stable is very stable but boring
• 2791[21:16:23] <Mitchell92> yeah, I heard it isn't that cutting edge. I like Fedora but I don't like the lengthy setup process considering its a hassle to do a distro upgrade
• 2792[21:16:27] <Mitchell92> while debian is more so rolling
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• 2806[21:24:58] <somiaj> zykotick9: I belive it will be provided via stretch-backports. Oracale corprate policy won't let the vbox team (even though the vbox team would have) backport fixes to older versions, so fixes have to come from newer versions.
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• 2808[21:25:25] <somiaj> dontknow: I like using libvirt (virsh or virtmanager) as a frontend to qemu-kvm
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• 2810[21:26:04] <zykotick9> somiaj: why does that remind me so much of firefox? ;) thanks for the info.
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• 2816[21:27:14] <dontknow> somiaj, i tried libvirt i guess. i couldn't make it work lol
• 2817[21:27:55] <somiaj> dontknow: I like virsh, seems to work well to manage multiple vms. virtmanager is a gui for this I don't use but many like.
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• 2819[21:28:54] <TomTomTo1> how is operator precedence handled in aptitude's short form of the search syntax? for example aptitude search '~S~i~scontrib|~snon-free' could either mean '~S~i(~scontrib|~snon-free)' or '(~S~i~scontrib)|~snon-free' what are the rules that make it choose the latter? i can't find it in the documentation.
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• 2821[21:30:14] <somiaj> unsure if it is written down, but many times order of operations are read left to right when no statement of order is made.
• 2822[21:30:39] <TomTomTo1> yeah, that might be it.
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• 2828[21:31:53] <it0> Hi everyone, hope you're all doing fine
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• 2830[21:33:06] <vinalencc> it0: Yes, mate! I'm fine and you?
• 2831[21:33:28] <it0> I'm fine too :D
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• 2835[21:35:13] <vinalencc> it0: Nice!
• 2836[21:35:52] <dontknow> TomTomTo1 only comes here when he can't find something in documentation?
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• 2845[21:40:40] <RickHull> Hi, was there an older / different version of crontab that allowed some small random factor in scheduling? I can't find it in `man 5 crontab`
• 2846[21:41:12] <RickHull> like a little salt, or a wide tolerance, to avoid a potential thundering herd
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• 2848[21:41:38] <RickHull> maybe an ubuntu thing?
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• 2853[21:44:00] <RickHull> also, why does the default for sysstat get specified as 5-55/10 rather than */10 ?
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• 2856[21:44:39] <RickHull> oh, nevermind -- it runs on the 5s I guess
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• 2858[21:45:26] <peterrooney> RickHull: I've not seen it in crontab itself, but _depending on your shell_, you could sleep $RANDOM % 60 before the command
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• 2861[21:45:52] <RickHull> yeah, that's what I've found googling. I could have *sworn* this was a feature
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• 2863[21:46:30] <RickHull> it's not necessary for this case, but it made me try to find the docs for it, which apparently are a figment of my imagination
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• 2867[21:47:51] <likcoras> I've tried the debian stable->testing, but when I boot, it fails to start console-setup service. Also, it spits out error messages about not being able to connect to lvmetad when booting(using lvm on luks)
• 2868[21:47:54] <RickHull> i thought it was some kind of sigil like %R or %RANDOM. you could have the */x spec just guarantee the interval and distribute the start offset
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• 2870[21:48:27] <likcoras> My procedure was to install stable, select nothing during the "select and install software" stage, and then do an apt-get update && apt-get dist-ugprade
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• 2872[21:49:07] <likcoras> What should I do to fix the console-setup and the problem with lvmetad on boot?
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• 2874[21:50:33] <RickHull> maybe it's different now, but i would have done update, upgrade. then reboot. then dist-upgrade. then reboot. make sure to capture startup logs
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• 2876[21:51:13] <RickHull> did it boot ok before the dist-upgrade with lvm ?
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• 2878[21:51:22] <RickHull> or has the lvm stuff never worked?
• 2879[21:51:27] <likcoras> I mean, it still boots fine. Just... more errors.
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• 2881[21:51:42] <likcoras> boot, errors, type in password, continue booting.
• 2882[21:51:44] <RickHull> i know squat about lvm. i'm just spitballing
• 2883[21:51:49] <likcoras> console-setup fails, continue booting.
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• 2886[21:52:46] <likcoras> oh, and console-setup fails saying that it couldn't find a file in /tmp
• 2887[21:52:57] <likcoras> but works fine if I restart it after booting
• 2888[21:53:13] <RickHull> sounds like a race condition on storage init
• 2889[21:53:31] <RickHull> missing some dependency / wait / block / activation ?
• 2890[21:53:54] <jhutchins> !debian-next
• 2891[21:53:56] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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• 2893[21:54:12] <jhutchins> likcoras: Sounds like your test successfully found a problem.
• 2894[21:54:21] <jhutchins> ,kernels
• 2895[21:54:22] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.8.0-rc8-686-pae (4.8~rc8-1~exp1); sid: 4.9.0-1-686-pae (4.9.2-2); stretch: 4.9.0-1-686-pae (4.9.2-2); jessie-backports: 4.8.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (4.8.15-2~bpo8+2); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.39-1); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.84-1)
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• 2898[21:54:46] <likcoras> Eh, testing not supported here? Welp.
• 2899[21:55:02] <RickHull> it's fine, #debian-next on OFTC is active
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• 2901[21:55:19] <jhutchins> likcoras: Generally supported, but -next has more testing users and more info on the current state.
• 2902[21:55:36] <likcoras> Huh, I see...
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• 2927[22:04:03] <Mitchell92> I was curious on cinnamon vs gnome 3? I love how my Mac shows me my email notifications, facebook, etc... something I also liked about Unity. Gnome 3 on debian should do this just fine, correct? Something if I recall when using cinnamon that it didn't do as well
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• 2932[22:05:11] <antisaint> My script is for a display to show the ip and it functions with "sudo lcddispip" but adding it to /etc/rc.local is not executing it at boot. I also added a /usr/bin/lcddisp
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• 2936[22:05:28] <antisaint> What am I missing there?
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• 2944[22:09:01] <teraflops> antisaint: show the script and what you put in /etc/rc.local? also why rc.local (wheezy?)? is your script a service? why dont you write a proper systemd unit file instead?
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• 2946[22:09:27] <antisaint> Little bit over my head... One sec
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• 2949[22:10:03] <teraflops> antisaint: please, if youre going to pastebin it don't use pastebin.com
• 2950[22:10:15] <antisaint> :/ erm
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• 2952[22:10:53] <teraflops> or yeah go use it, but I wont click on the link :D
• 2953[22:11:19] <CodeMachine> How do I delete a file using nano in terminal?
• 2954[22:11:59] <CodeMachine> Or any other way to delete a file that I can't delete threw "files" ;d
• 2955[22:12:07] <likcoras> CodeMachine: rm
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• 2958[22:12:22] <antisaint> replaced-url
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• 2960[22:12:38] <CodeMachine> ah sweet, thanks.
• 2961[22:12:47] <antisaint> Thats my c thats compiled and tossed in as just the name in the rc.local
• 2962[22:13:30] <antisaint> exec is put /usr/bin/lcddispip
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• 2965[22:14:16] <teraflops> antisaint: k, does it work if you just run the binary by hand?
• 2966[22:14:24] <antisaint> Yes but only as sudo
• 2967[22:14:42] <antisaint> I also /usr/local/sbin/lcddisp.sh with #!bin/bash /usr/bin/lcddispip
• 2968[22:14:50] <teraflops> antisaint: under Xorg? or just tty?
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• 2970[22:15:14] <antisaint> I have vnc but x is prolly running. I am only ssh right now tho
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• 2974[22:15:59] <antisaint> Headless knock off pi ;)
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• 2977[22:16:31] <teraflops> antisaint: what I meant is: it's that supposed to be run under xorg or not?
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• 2980[22:17:05] <antisaint> The exec? no. X should boot at runtime tho. Not sure why x matters at all to be frank
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• 2982[22:17:41] <teraflops> antisaint: then I have no idea why it does not run if you put it on /etc/rc.local
• 2983[22:18:06] <teraflops> antisaint: to be honest I dont kno what it does at all (the binary)
• 2984[22:18:16] <antisaint> The prog is in the cryptbin and is to pull ip and dsplay it on a 16x2 external lcd. It is not running as root is my asumption..
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• 2986[22:18:38] <antisaint> Is the rc.local to hold the exec or the sh file?
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• 2990[22:20:04] <teraflops> antisaint: try it
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• 2993[22:22:51] <antisaint> My ssh does start at boot, it has /etc/init.d/ssh start but my vnc needs to be manualy started and its just vnc4serv.. is that my prob?
• 2994[22:23:03] <antisaint> Same for the lcddispip
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• 2999[22:23:48] <teraflops> antisaint: sorry I dont follow you
• 3000[22:24:18] <antisaint> It appears to work when calling the vnc service. Do I need to create a service for this to function at boot?
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• 3002[22:24:59] <teraflops> antisaint: are you using debian? which branch?
• 3003[22:25:06] <antisaint> Jessie
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• 3006[22:26:53] <teraflops> antisaint: it looks like a good idea
• 3007[22:26:58] <teraflops> same for your binary
• 3008[22:27:28] <teraflops> antisaint: I say systemd unit because is way easier than an init script
• 3009[22:27:52] <teraflops> (at least for me)
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• 3013[22:29:49] <teraflops> antisaint: tightvncserver?
• 3014[22:30:22] <antisaint> um... vnc4?
• 3015[22:30:46] <antisaint> No tightvnc :)
• 3016[22:30:52] <teraflops> no idea, what did you install?
• 3017[22:31:06] <antisaint> vnc4server ;)
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• 3019[22:31:34] <teraflops> ok
• 3020[22:32:26] <teraflops> antisaint: indeed there's systemd unit/init.d script for vnc4server
• 3021[22:32:31] <teraflops> no*
• 3022[22:33:42] <antisaint> :? I just want to not have to login to the unknown Ip rather have it displayed at boot time on its external screen... I got the code to make the bin and got the bin running as sudo.. how the hell do I get it to run at boot as su?
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• 3026[22:36:44] <unborn> ,v cron-apt
• 3027[22:36:45] <judd> Package: cron-apt on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.9.1; jessie: 0.9.2; stretch: 0.9.6; stretch: 0.10.0; sid: 0.10.0
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• 3032[22:39:10] <antisaint> like just logging in as root via ssh and running lcddispip works great... how to automate?
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• 3034[22:39:52] <teraflops> antisaint: what you run in /etc/rc.local is run as root …
• 3035[22:40:13] <antisaint> but its not... Is that upon boot or login?
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• 3038[22:40:29] <teraflops> it is run as root
• 3039[22:40:37] <antisaint> Did not answer
• 3040[22:40:40] <njimiuo> I have a device that reads bootcode from the sd slot, but the sd in it is very small, however, it has 4 usb slots (large usb devices) ; how can I let it boot from sd and let the usb take over (thus using the usb to store packages, home folders, etc)
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• 3043[22:41:20] <teraflops> antisaint: login?
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• 3045[22:42:05] <teraflops> antisaint: if you want it to be run when user login use a systemd --user unit
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• 3047[22:42:09] <antisaint> looking for it to show after network dhcp issues the ip maybe thats the hang if its doing boot, or I also want it before login, there is another
• 3048[22:42:20] <Mitchell92> Hello. I made a USB flash drive using Rufus for Debian, trying to install on an ultrabook. I had Windows installed in legacy BIOS mode. Just switched it over to UEFI. Laptop isn't recognizing the flash drive I made as a boot device. Any ideas? Wanting to install in UEFI mode versus legacy bios.
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• 3050[22:42:29] <antisaint> Bios
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• 3052[22:43:00] <njimiuo> Mitchell92: did you enable the boot flag on the usb?
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• 3054[22:43:17] <TomTomTo1> njimiuo: easiest way is to set it up in the partitioning tool in the installer. if it's an already installed system you will have to create a partition manually, move the directory and adjust /etc/fstab accordingly.
• 3055[22:43:20] <teraflops> antisaint: the more yoy talk about your issue the more is looking to me a huge xy problem
• 3056[22:43:23] <teraflops> you*
• 3057[22:43:23] <Mitchell92> i had assumed the software would have done that. I suppose I didn't, njimiuo ... Now do I do that?
• 3058[22:43:31] <antisaint> xy?
• 3059[22:43:38] <teraflops> !xy
• 3060[22:43:39] <dpkg> Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See replaced-url
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• 3062[22:44:06] <njimiuo> Mitchell92: no idea if the software did it, did the software format it?
• 3063[22:44:20] <antisaint> I was sure that asking how to get a exec at boot was fairly simple
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• 3065[22:44:29] <Plushwolf> According to your wiki article replaced-url
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• 3067[22:44:33] <teraflops> sure…
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• 3069[22:44:55] <Mitchell92> njimiuo, yes. At the same time on windows on another machine, which is running on UEFI mode, it doesn't say that GPT is being used on the flash drive.
• 3070[22:45:12] <antisaint> Calling it runs, and I am pointed towards rc.local... am i f*&ink this sideways?
• 3071[22:45:16] <TomTomTo1> Plushwolf: the latter. release will be roughly six months after full freeze.
• 3072[22:46:17] <TomTomTo1> Plushwolf: replaced-url
• 3073[22:46:19] <Mitchell92> njimiuo, its using a MBR partition style.
• 3074[22:46:26] <Plushwolf> TomTomTo1: Okay, then it will be officially released 6 months after the full freeze? I understand the full freeze that security holes and bugs that's not known (yet) will be fixed until it's official release announcement.
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• 3080[22:47:52] <TomTomTo1> that's right.
• 3081[22:48:27] <njimiuo> Mitchell92: have you verified your iso?
• 3082[22:48:46] <TheChubu> hi! i have a kinda general question
• 3083[22:49:02] <Mitchell92> njimiuo, I'm about to use a different utility and try it again.
• 3084[22:49:15] <TheChubu> the other day i mounted a Win7 x64 VM on an i5 4440, i gave it 4Gb of RAM
• 3085[22:49:22] <TheChubu> it was kiiinda slow, is it normal?
• 3086[22:49:27] <njimiuo> Mitchell92: try any of those replaced-url
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• 3088[22:49:38] <TheChubu> thing is the CPU usage wasnt high, so my suspect is the integrated Intel 4600
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• 3090[22:49:51] <Plushwolf> TomTomTo1: Okay, thank you very much. I'd like to use the debian-stretch-DI-rc1-amd64-netinst.iso image (my chipset requires a 4.5+ kernel). Is it possible to use that instead of stable? It will become stable automatically by time, no? And I don't have any problems and have the knowledge of fixing broken stuff :)
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• 3095[22:51:03] <TomTomTo1> Plushwolf: the recommended way to get testing is using the stable installer to install a minimal image and upgrading it right after.
• 3096[22:51:10] <antisaint> relating to my issue, vnc (also not at boot) has [ 7.238030] systemd[1]: [/etc/systemd/system/x11vnc.service:10] Unknown lvalue 'Restart-sec' in section 'Service' in dmesg
• 3097[22:51:19] <TomTomTo1> s/minimal image/minimal system/
• 3098[22:51:49] <Plushwolf> TomTomTo1: Oh, you mean I should install stable and changing the sources.list from jessie to stretch?
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• 3100[22:51:52] <Plushwolf> And upgrade after?
• 3101[22:51:54] <TomTomTo1> Plushwolf: and yes, you can keep tracking stretch while it makes the transition to stable.
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• 3104[22:52:59] <TomTomTo1> Plushwolf: yes. you can try the testing installer, but it's not guaranteed to work. it is, after all, not a released product.
• 3105[22:53:06] <Plushwolf> TomTomTo1: I've tried that on a testing machine, my network card names (ethX) got weird names like ensXdXfXwhatever after the upgrade
• 3106[22:53:40] <Plushwolf> But I've never used the stretch installer before, I could try
• 3107[22:55:03] <Plushwolf> But I think (or hope) that this is normal
• 3108[22:55:36] <TheChubu> yeah, i remember after some update interfaces got those names.
• 3109[22:55:55] <TheChubu> cant quite recall which particular thing was the culprit.
• 3110[22:56:08] <TheChubu> it works the same, its just harder to remember :D
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• 3112[22:56:14] <TheChubu> i think it was some security thing, not sure :/
• 3113[22:56:17] <Plushwolf> I think this is caused by a kernel option change or so
• 3114[22:56:18] <Plushwolf> in 4.x
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• 3116[22:56:48] <Plushwolf> Other distributions have this too after they've upgraded to 4.x
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• 3122[22:58:33] <Plushwolf> Is someone running a costum kernel here? I have a question
• 3123[22:58:36] <TheChubu> yeah, you're probably right
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• 3143[23:05:53] <Plushwolf> Is it normal that my lspcu output still says "Intel whatever Device a123" (for example) even with my upgraded jessie->stretch install?
• 3144[23:06:31] <Plushwolf> Every device ends up with "device xxxx"
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• 3149[23:08:13] <awal1> paste full output :P
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• 3152[23:09:20] <Plushwolf> When I start the Stretch Installer and enter a terminal within the installer and enter lspci I have "00:14.2 Signal processing controller: Intel Corporation Sunrise Point-H Thermal subsystem (rev 31)" for example, in my jessie->stretch upgraded system I still only see the device id's
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• 3158[23:11:22] <missmbob> sudo update-pciids
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• 3165[23:12:30] <Plushwolf> Oh
• 3166[23:12:33] <Plushwolf> Thank you very much
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• 3179[23:17:14] <Plushwolf> What about the interface names? Is there a way to rename them?
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• 3191[23:23:04] <unborn> ,v apticron
• 3192[23:23:05] <judd> Package: apticron on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.1.55; jessie: 1.1.57; sid: 1.1.61; stretch: 1.1.61
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• 3205[23:28:25] <ToiLTP> How do I install steamcmd on debian?
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• 3215[23:34:03] <ToiLTP> anyone in here?
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• 3217[23:34:42] <jhutchins> Plushwolf: The naming convention for network devices is changing so that they're more consistent between boots. The name should indicate what bus a device is on, whether it's embedded, etc.
• 3218[23:34:43] <Plushwolf> maybe
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• 3220[23:34:50] <jhutchins> !steam
• 3221[23:34:51] <dpkg> Steam is a proprietary content delivery and management application for PC software with Linux support. Packaged in <non-free>; amd64 users are required to enable <multiarch> and install the steam:i386 package. For help with upstream issues, ask #steamlug on irc.freenode.net. replaced-url
• 3222[23:34:52] <awal1> ,v steamcmd
• 3223[23:34:53] <judd> No package named 'steamcmd' was found in amd64.
• 3224[23:35:14] <Plushwolf> jhebden: Okay, I didn't really understood what that means, but thanks :D
• 3225[23:35:40] <jhutchins> Plushwolf: It's to make it easier for systems that have a bunch of interfaces.
• 3226[23:35:48] <ToiLTP> !steamcmd
• 3227[23:35:54] <Plushwolf> Ah, okay
• 3228[23:36:02] <nkuttler> ToiLTP: download it
• 3229[23:36:05] <TheChubu> does anybody knows how could I pile the result of a 'find' to vlc?
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• 3231[23:36:14] <TheChubu> im guessing a one liner wouldnt be enough
• 3232[23:36:17] <Plushwolf> jhebden: Is there a tool or so to change its names for humans for human readable?
• 3233[23:36:21] <ToiLTP> here they say to apt-get install it, replaced-url
• 3234[23:36:23] <Plushwolf> Cause I have 10 or so here o_O
• 3235[23:36:24] <jhutchins> The ones I work with typically have two fiberchannel interfaces, for gigabit ethenets, and one out-of-band ethernet for remote management.
• 3236[23:36:38] <jhutchins> s/for/four/
• 3237[23:36:43] <nkuttler> TheChubu: depends on what the command should look like
• 3238[23:36:50] <ToiLTP> nkuttler, how though?
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• 3241[23:37:06] <nkuttler> ToiLTP: vlc $(find whatever) ?
• 3242[23:37:21] <jhutchins> TheChubu: use the exec feature.
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• 3246[23:37:41] <jhutchins> find <terms> exec vlc {}\;
• 3247[23:37:55] <jhutchins> TheChubu: Don't remmber if it's exec or -exec.
• 3248[23:38:30] <ToiLTP> nkuttler, vlc?
• 3249[23:38:54] <Plushwolf> jhebden: Any way to change the device names to human readble? like a config or so?
• 3250[23:39:00] <jhutchins> Plushwolf: I think there's a way to revert to the old names, and it's possible to havk it, but once you've set up your networking you don't care.
• 3251[23:39:01] <Plushwolf> *readable
• 3252[23:39:08] <nkuttler> ToiLTP: um, sorry. replaced-url
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• 3254[23:39:41] <TheChubu> jhutchins: wont that execute a vlc instance for each result?
• 3255[23:39:48] <nkuttler> TheChubu: yeah
• 3256[23:40:11] <TheChubu> nkuttler: im just doing a find ./ -iname '*something*'
• 3257[23:40:18] <TheChubu> i think vlc can play stuff like
• 3258[23:40:25] <TheChubu> vlc "song1" "song2" "song3"
• 3259[23:40:30] <nkuttler> TheChubu: vlc $(find whatever)
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• 3261[23:40:36] <TheChubu> ill try
• 3262[23:40:37] <jhutchins> Plushwolf: replaced-url
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• 3264[23:41:05] <jhutchins> TheChubu: I think vlc queues multiple calls, but you might hvae to try and see.
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• 3266[23:41:20] <jhutchins> TheChubu: I don't know how vlc does playlists.
• 3267[23:41:24] <Plushwolf> Thanks jhutchins
• 3268[23:41:31] <TheChubu> they need the quotes
• 3269[23:41:47] <TheChubu> otherwise a space inbetween the names makes each word into a separate file
• 3270[23:41:52] <Plushwolf> TheAvatar: vlc "/path/to/files/*"
• 3271[23:42:05] <Plushwolf> whops
• 3272[23:42:10] <Plushwolf> TheChubu: ^
• 3273[23:42:27] <TheChubu> they're not all in the same directory obviously :D
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• 3278[23:44:58] <RayzrShrp> can anybody help point me in the right direction to get iptables logging to a file?
• 3279[23:45:18] <RayzrShrp> im trying to use fwlogwatch to see what iptables is doing but it doesnt seem to be logging anywhere
• 3280[23:45:30] <TheChubu> jhutchins: "paths must precede expression exec"
• 3281[23:45:32] <TheChubu> weird
• 3282[23:45:36] <RayzrShrp> i would expect it to show up in the kern but it's blank
• 3283[23:45:59] <jhutchins> RayzrShrp: You have to tell each rule to log.
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• 3285[23:46:26] <jhutchins> TheChubu: That's find's generic error message, it means "I don't understand the syntax".
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• 3289[23:47:20] <RayzrShrp> jhutchins: so i cant just tell them all to log?
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• 3291[23:47:36] <jhutchins> RayzrShrp: I think it has to be on each rule you want logged.
• 3292[23:47:43] <RayzrShrp> grr
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• 3297[23:48:12] <jhutchins> RayzrShrp: There are rules that don't make sense to hvae log.
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• 3299[23:48:41] <RayzrShrp> i pretty much wanna see all the traffic getting denied at my iptables
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• 3301[23:48:50] <RayzrShrp> so i can see it working
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• 3304[23:51:41] <jhutchins> RayzrShrp: The masquerade howto at tldp.org has some good, easy to understand documentation, and a link to trintyOS which has a lot more. David Ranch I think?
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