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1 [00:02:10] <agio> join #linux
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3 [00:02:18] <nyov> dave4925: likely you did not run apt-get
update recently enough
4 [00:02:34] <nyov> dave4925: and the file apt is trying for
has been removed
5 [00:03:28] <nyov> ,v tzdata
6 [00:03:29] <judd> Package: tzdata on amd64 -- wheezy:
2016d-0+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 2018e-0+deb7u1; jessie:
2018e-0+deb8u1; jessie-updates: 2018e-0+deb8u1; stretch:
2018e-0+deb9u1; stretch-updates: 2018e-0+deb9u1; buster: 2018e-1;
sid: 2018f-1
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8 [00:03:55] <dave4925> I do update before upgrade every time
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10 [00:04:26] <nyov> then perhaps it's a mirror issue?
11 [00:04:52] <nyov> E: Failed getting release file
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12 [00:05:04] <nyov> oh noes oh woes :(
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15 [00:05:22] <dave4925> hmm
16 [00:05:28] <dave4925> wget works though
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18 [00:05:29] <nyov> what was the archive-url again?
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20 [00:05:52] <dave4925>
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24 [00:06:42] <nyov> dave4925: that is a CDN, it might rotate
backends
25 [00:07:17] <dave4925> hmm
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27 [00:07:43] <nyov> dont have an issue here fetching it
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31 [00:08:55] <nyov> post your full aptitude console log if you
can (I prefer aptitude for error debugging)
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34 [00:09:29] <dave4925> the standard output of the error?
35 [00:09:32] <nyov> s/post/paste
36 [00:10:17] <dave4925> oh... now it works lol
37 [00:10:30] <dave4925> whoever fixed it congrats
38 [00:10:31] <nyov> CDN...
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41 [00:14:35] <nyov> yay, found lenny again. lol
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59 [00:23:30] <litb> hello folks
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81 [00:47:37] <wr>
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85 [00:48:47] <nyov> W: GPG error:
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86 [00:48:51] <nyov> damn.
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88 [00:50:47] <nyov> people should perhaps not write FIXME and
TODO in the wiki when they have no intend to finish that. bad style
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91 [00:51:13] <nyov> i don't even know what's to fix
there. looks complete :D
92 [00:56:03] <Kadigan> Hey. Quick question: I'm trying to
use quota on my filesystem. Can I specify `grpquota` without also
having to use `usrquota`?
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120 [01:09:36] <rant> !lenny
121 [01:09:36] <dpkg> Lenny is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux
5.0, released on February 15th, 2009. Lenny security support ended
on 2012-02-06, this release is no longer supported. Lenny users
should upgrade to Squeeze, ask me about <lenny->squeeze>.
Removed from the mirrors (2012-03-25), ask me about <lenny
sources.list>. For old Lenny ISOs, ask me about <lenny
iso>.
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124 [01:11:28] <agio> hi all. does anyone how to define
thresholds for the colors used by sysstat/sar commands? or the man
page which explains?
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130 [01:17:03] <agio> or whether or not this is even possible?
131 [01:18:00] <RoyK> agio: no idea but if you find out it'd
be interesting
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136 [01:21:01] <agio> im guessing you'd have to write your
own awk script ?
137 [01:21:50] <agio> the one im interested in is uptime. e.g.
sar -q
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171 [01:42:02] <akko> dummy output on pulseaudio
172 [01:42:16] <akko> I remember that thing gave me A LOT of
headaches in the past
173 [01:42:21] <akko> may someone help me?
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181 [01:50:08] <rant> help you with what?
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184 [01:52:09] <rant> agio: man sar see the ENVIRONMENT section
variables S_COLORS and S_COLORS_SGR
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254 [02:47:51] <agio> ,sound
255 [02:47:59] <nyov> dpkg: tell me about fixing apt key expiry
in pbuilder env
256 [02:48:04] <agio> whats the sound checklist?
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258 [02:48:38] <agio> ,alsa
259 [02:48:50] <agio> ,alsachk
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261 [02:49:17] <agio> ,chk
262 [02:49:23] <nyov> dpkg: tell agio about alsa checklist
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265 [02:50:02] <agio> ,alsa-checklist
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268 [02:52:35] <nyov> o/~ o/~
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270 [02:52:38] <nyov> !sing the alsa song
271 [02:52:38] <dpkg> o/~ o/~
272 [02:52:43] <nyov> \o/
273 [02:53:45] <agio> how do you use that bot? doesnt it have a
help ?
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278 [02:54:12] <nyov> magic crystal ball
279 [02:54:22] <agio> why would sound work for root and not for a
regular user?
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281 [02:56:06] <nyov> maybe something already sitting on it, like
PA
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283 [02:57:40] <agio> yes, PA is installed. any idea how i can
backtrace the problem? (no sound - sound works for root only)
284 [02:58:06] <agio> when i run `groups' is shows im
already in audio
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287 [03:00:33] <nyov> do you have a file ~/.asoundrc ?
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289 [03:01:00] <agio> lno
290 [03:01:03] <agio> no
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293 [03:01:12] <nyov> ok good
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297 [03:04:08] <rant> agio: the , is for judd, wrong bot
298 [03:04:13] <rant> !alsa-checklist
299 [03:04:13] <dpkg> 1) add yourself to the 'audio'
group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/
alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if
available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4)
speakers on? 5) does "aplay
/usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any
installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also
<list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
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301 [03:04:27] <agio> rant: ah, thanks
302 [03:04:35] <rant> ,what are you
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304 [03:05:45] <rant> !judd
305 [03:05:45] <dpkg> judd is a window into the Ultimate Debian
Database (ask me about <udd>). Judd can look up package, PCI
ID and kernel config information. See
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306 [03:05:50] <rant> !what are you?
307 [03:05:51] <dpkg> I am an infobot. For more information, ask
me about <infobot>.
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309 [03:05:55] <nyov> agio: check /etc/pulse/default.pa for any
strange config maybe. other than that I have no idea
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311 [03:06:35] <nyov> agio: and have my magic crystal ball:
replaced-url
312 [03:07:38] <agio> nyov: bot factoid is cool, thanks
313 [03:07:50] <agio> should I killal pulseaudio?
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315 [03:08:16] <nyov> it will come right back. so you can try
316 [03:08:37] <nyov> helps when I have sound buffer issues, just
doing a quick kill
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319 [03:09:00] <nyov> and all is good again
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327 [03:10:45] <agio> nyov: yes it worked!
328 [03:10:49] * awal1 wonders why, compared to some users, my debian
always worked like a charm :P
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330 [03:10:57] <nyov> \o/
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332 [03:11:02] <nyov> !sing the alsa song
333 [03:11:03] <dpkg> o/~ o/~
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335 [03:11:26] <agio> \o/
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340 [03:15:06] <nyov> what do we take away from this... PA is
like a microbe, killing it every once in a while will only make it
come back stronger
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368 [03:47:51] <rant> ,v libphysfs1
369 [03:47:52] <judd> Package: libphysfs1 on amd64 -- wheezy:
2.0.2-6; jessie: 2.0.3-2; stretch: 2.0.3-5; buster: 3.0.1-2; sid:
3.0.1-2
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371 [03:50:05] <rant> hmm.. sooo.. I would like to build a debug
version of the latest upstream hedgewars which depends on this
libphysfs1 from buster/sid however I dont think just backporting it
manually would be a good idea since I have the stretch-backports
(latest upstream release version) of HW installed which is built
against stretch's libphysfs1 2.0
372 [03:50:25] <rant> any thoughts/suggestions? anything I can do
aside from an entire chroot here?
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381 [03:55:58] <nyov> rant: what speaks against rebuilding your
stretch non-debug version against the newer libphysfs as well?
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383 [03:57:02] <rant> nyov: idk, I know nothing of this library
but thats a major verion number difference..
384 [03:57:23] <rant> and offhand idk if anything else on my
system uses this library
385 [03:57:27] <nyov> ,i libphysfs1
386 [03:57:28] <judd> Package libphysfs1 (libs, optional) in
stretch/amd64: filesystem abstraction library for game programmers.
Version: 2.0.3-5; Size: 53.1k; Installed: 165k; Homepage:
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388 [03:59:28] <nyov> ,depends libphysfs1
389 [03:59:29] <judd> Package libphysfs1 in stretch/amd64 --
depends: libc6 (>= 2.14), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.0).
390 [03:59:34] <nyov> er
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392 [03:59:57] <nyov> ,v hedgewars
393 [03:59:58] <judd> Package: hedgewars on amd64 -- wheezy:
0.9.17-1; jessie: 0.9.20.5-12; jessie-backports:
0.9.22-dfsg-11~bpo8+1; stretch: 0.9.22-dfsg-11+b1;
stretch-backports: 0.9.24.1-dfsg-2~bpo9+1; buster:
0.9.24.1-dfsg-4+b2; sid: 0.9.24.1-dfsg-4+b2
394 [04:00:35] <nyov> hmm. HW version isn't much different
though.
395 [04:00:47] <rant> that tells you nothing
396 [04:01:37] <rant> hw revision numbers are drastic changes.. I
been working with the devs for years now.. and I am using the
stretch-backport which is the current release build.. the dev
version is 0.9.25
397 [04:01:37] <nyov> just thinking out loud, but you are correct
ofc
398 [04:01:58] <nyov> ok
399 [04:02:08] <rant> and I just ran cmake and its bitching about
libphysfs saying its too old
400 [04:02:10] <rant> heh
401 [04:02:32] <rant> I'm trying to narrow down an input
issue here.. its royally pissin me off :P
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403 [04:03:17] <rant> nobody seems to care about the joystick
support.. but I hate using the keyboard.. its like knowing how to
touch type and watching your father sit there hunting and pecking
404 [04:04:15] <rant> right now I'm having an issue where
pressing right goes left and keeps going left until I press left, or
pressing down goes up and keeps going up until I press up..
I've built SDL tests, checked xev, etc, etc.. near as I can
tell the problem is in HWengine itself
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407 [04:04:58] <rant> I'm not sure right now when 0.9.25
will release, but I'd like to make sure this is fixed by then
if not already, and maybe even figure out how to fix it in the
current version
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409 [04:05:29] <rant> I can't stand to develop on the damn
game when I cant test with a joystick
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411 [04:06:57] <nyov> HW with joystick? ugh. anyway, I guess
I'd just not use a system-wide libphysfs for the dev build then
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413 [04:07:34] <nyov> unless I could build it in a way that it
won't conflict with the current one, and that seems like too
much hassle
414 [04:07:46] <nyov> but idk
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419 [04:10:36] <nyov> then again you said the version bumped from
2 to 3. why is the package name libphysfs*1* in the first place?
420 [04:11:13] <nyov> ah. soname
421 [04:11:38] <nyov> libphysfs.so.1 -> libphysfs.so.2.0.3
422 [04:11:39] <nyov> huh
423 [04:12:29] <rant> idk they've made a lot of bad choices
in development imho.. and they're aware of and planning to
address many of em just not anytime soon :P
424 [04:12:44] <rant> right now they're just trying to get
1.0 out finally
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426 [04:14:26] <rant> all bad dev choices aside they've made
a great game with a lot of really nice a/v work the voices were what
made me fall in love with the game years ago :P
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430 [04:20:19] <nyov> heh. I started out with the first Worms in
`98, was a blast :D consequently I didn't get on very well with
the cartoonish-style of later versions. But HW is a worthy follower
of the theme
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432 [04:21:29] <rant> I'd never even heard of worms until
after I found HW
433 [04:22:52] <nyov> oh wait... that was 96? holy cows...
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437 [04:29:15] <rant> idk but seems like mono-runtime is horribly
broken in stretch
438 [04:29:20] <rant> I can't seem to get anything to run
with it
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440 [04:30:09] <rant> it always says this same error Unhandled
Exception: System.IO.FileNotFoundException: Could not load file or
assembly or one of its dependencies. File name: 'System.Core,
Version=4.0.0.0, Culture=neutral,
PublicKeyToken=b77a5c561934e089'
441 [04:30:42] <rant> I've tried various OpenSim builds,
OpenRA, they all crash with this error
442 [04:30:54] <rant> googling it had gotten me nowhere
443 [04:31:23] <nyov> Hm. I had RA work, but don't ask me
about mono -.-
444 [04:31:56] <rant> I'm talking about OpenRA not the
Westwood Studios / EA version
445 [04:32:02] <nyov> me too
446 [04:32:45] <rant> idk, it wanted to install mono, but I told
it no and installed it myself via apt
447 [04:32:53] <rant> cause who knows wth it'd have done if
I let it do it
448 [04:33:10] <rant> really not /that/ interested in trying
OpenRA
449 [04:33:51] <rant> if I really wanted to play that bad I could
play the real thing.. I probably got a dozen different versions of
it lying around
450 [04:34:52] <rant> I had been wanting to get OpenSim working
though and I thought this was just an OpenSim issue, until i just
tried OpenRA and got the same exact error
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453 [04:37:10] <nyov> well. my openra install is Version:
20151224.release *g* but it works
454 [04:37:30] <rant> how'd you install it? I d/l some
appimage crap
455 [04:37:48] <rant> didnt see it in the package manager and the
website said to download these app images
456 [04:38:37] <nyov> uh, good question.
457 [04:38:41] <nyov> Maintainer: Chris Forbes
<chrisf@ijw.co.nz>
458 [04:39:18] <nyov> don't remember? only that there was an
issue downloading assets back then
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459 [04:40:00] <rant> but you have a deb package?
460 [04:40:03] <nyov> yeah
461 [04:40:16] <rant> yeah this isnt a deb package its some
one-size fits all thing
462 [04:40:27] <nyov> lol, idk where tf i got it from. maybe it
was unstable-only?
463 [04:41:53] <nyov> nothing on snapshots.d.o either
464 [04:42:39] <rant> hmm.. apparently the fix for _THAT_ error
is installing libmono-system-core4.0-cil which isnt pulled in by
mono-runtime
465 [04:42:58] <rant> maybe opensim will work now.. cause OpenRA
sure doesnt.. heh.. just moved on to a new error :P
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467 [04:44:30] <nyov> here's my apt-cache show openra:
replaced-url
468 [04:44:47] <nyov> I guess they had a deb package at some
point
469 [04:45:48] <rant> apt policy openra ?
470 [04:46:22] <rant> !openra
471 [04:46:28] <nyov>
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472 [04:46:29] <rant> ,i openra
473 [04:46:30] <judd> No package named 'openra' was
found in stretch/amd64.
474 [04:46:50] <rant> apparently you manually downloaded it
475 [04:47:49] <nyov> I suppose I might have
476 [04:47:56] <nyov> would policy show if I removed the source
in the meantime
477 [04:48:25] <rant> I believe so, it checks the current
settings.. if the source is gone it would not show it
478 [04:48:41] <rant> apt does have logs though
479 [04:49:11] <nyov> okey.
480 [04:49:42] <rant> seems they package it with appimage now
though
481 [04:51:50] <nyov> seems I still have a deb package
482 [04:52:33] <nyov> the 24.12.2015 release xD
483 [04:52:53] <nyov> here it is:
replaced-url
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485 [04:52:58] <rant> none of the appimage website or openra
website suggest wtf the dependencies for this crap is
486 [04:53:09] <rant> just says Mono 4.0
487 [04:53:24] <rant> Mono is not a thing.. its like a million
little pieces
488 [04:53:38] <rant> kinda need to be more specific than that
489 [04:53:43] <nyov> that's why I pasted you the package
info
490 [04:53:55] <rant> ah right.. didnt think of that :P
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493 [04:55:02] <nyov> or you can try the old deb version.
didn't manipulate it any, promise.
494 [04:56:44] <rant> yeah that worked.. I just had to install a
buncha libmono-system-* crap from that pkg info
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496 [04:57:15] <rant> these assclowns would have you install 400
packages instead of just telling you which 4 you need
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498 [04:58:54] <rant> damn.. this is just like the real thing
with less suck
499 [04:59:02] <nyov> \o/
500 [04:59:37] <nyov> yeah, I went through dune in about a day
again, back then
501 [04:59:44] <nyov> good times
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503 [04:59:46] <rant> I was tellin my brother about this cause he
plays this a lot.. and was askin me about hackin on it recently.. I
said look into OpenRA prob even easier to hack since its open source
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505 [05:00:29] <rant> yeah idk what dune is.. I seen one that I
guess is like tiberian sun..
506 [05:00:35] <rant> is there a RA2 version?
507 [05:00:53] <nyov>
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508 [05:01:29] <rant> red alert 2 had like ability for soldiers
to dig in, better unit control..etc
509 [05:01:38] <pingfloyd> rant: the predecessor to Command and
Conquer
510 [05:01:45] <rant> personally I like the classic RA
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512 [05:02:05] <rant> ah I started with RA, never even player
Command and Conquer
513 [05:02:17] <pingfloyd> C&C and the predecessor to RA
514 [05:02:24] <rant> yeah I know that much
515 [05:02:29] <rant> just never played it
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518 [05:03:19] <rant> hmm its letting me queue builds/training
and RA didnt do that IIRC
519 [05:03:23] <rant> RA2 did
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521 [05:04:44] <nyov> too bad there is no open-source version of
Earth2140 with tcp/ip multiplayer...
522 [05:05:20] <rant> hmm also is showing me enemy capabilities..
telling me they are getting gps..
523 [05:05:25] <rant> RA didnt do that either
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565 [06:01:24] <lazerlemon> hey
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568 [06:02:13] <rant> hay is for horses
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570 [06:02:37] <lazerlemon> which I have just been killing
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572 [06:02:46] <lazerlemon> we got horse pussy lip steaks
573 [06:02:52] <lazerlemon> horse rectum tacos
574 [06:03:01] <Unit193> lazerlemon: Please quit.
575 [06:03:04] <lazerlemon> we just shoot that horses asshole
right off
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578 [06:03:23] <rant> do you have any debian issues to discuss?
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635 [07:18:21] <Kadigan> Damn, I don't get it. I had root
SSH/sFTP access working just fine... then I added a line for
"Match Group" (to chroot a different group of users), and
now I can't connect w/ root. It seems to log in just fine, but
then... just lingers, until my sFTP client (FileZilla) disconnects
due to inactivity. /var/log/auth.log doesn't show anything
suspicious - just new sessions being opened, then closed after a
short while.
636 [07:18:51] <Kadigan> I can log in via SSH just fine, by the
way. Only sFTP doesn't want to work.
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638 [07:23:17] <Kadigan> Ah, nvm. It seems there's a
conflict between internal-sftp and sftp-server I had no idea about.
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781 [09:24:20] <shtrb> morning people , anyone have an internal
sim reader which works with stable (network manager is not a must be
a nice feature to have ) ?
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787 [09:28:05] <expert975> Is our kernel linux libre or are there
blobs?
788 [09:28:22] <shtrb> kernel itself is GPL but you can get blobs
789 [09:28:41] <shtrb> You also have blobs on hardware (if you
care)
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792 [09:30:53] <expert975> shtrb: so the kernel is not linux
libre then?
793 [09:31:01] <shtrb> it is
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798 [09:32:15] <expert975> shtrb: about the hardware blobs
(firmware?), what can be done about them?
799 [09:33:32] <shtrb> buy different hardware
800 [09:33:40] <shtrb> or build one
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808 [09:38:57] <shtrb> expert975, are you afraid of kernel
contamination or you wish to be as free as you get on debian ?
809 [09:39:29] <expert975> shtrb: I want to use only free
software
810 [09:39:35] <shtrb> if you care about as free as you get you
just get the main source in apt.
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813 [09:39:46] <shtrb> !apt
814 [09:39:47] <dpkg> Advanced Packaging Tool (APT) is a package
management system used by Debian and its derivatives. APT is a C++
library of functions that are used by several command line programs
for dealing with packages, notably apt-get, apt-cache, and aptitude
and, from Debian 8 "Jessie" onwards, apt. See also
<aptitude> <apt-get>, <apt-cache>, <apt
myths>.
815 [09:40:13] <shtrb> !main
816 [09:40:14] <dpkg> Debian's "main" archive area
consists of <DFSG>-compliant packages, which do not rely on
software outside this area to operate. These are the only packages
considered part of the Debian distribution.
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817 [09:40:19] <shtrb> expert975, ^
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819 [09:41:09] <n4dir> well: debian probably has had it's
kernel in free, and iirc gnu.org thought otherwise. That problem is
solved though (again:iirc)
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821 [09:41:39] <n4dir> though i would agree that with debian
without contrib/non-free it's pretty close to a free system
822 [09:42:03] <expert975> n4dir: could you define 'pretty
close'?
823 [09:43:20] <n4dir> sure: i for one am not planning to
investigate the whole problem any further. So: for me it's ok,
and more i neither know nor care
824 [09:43:50] <n4dir> that is serious, not sarcastic or such.
It's just me. ok ?
825 [09:44:00] <expert975> Debian is not endorsed by FSF only
because it hosts the non-free repo, correct?
826 [09:44:23] <n4dir> iirc gnu.org has the main problem that
debian does *offer* contrib and non-free, and thats it. So: fine for
me too.
827 [09:44:29] <shtrb> FSF is no longer free either
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829 [09:44:36] <n4dir> expert975: as far i know yes.
830 [09:45:12] <n4dir> say: i don't think much about the
hardware level. Not that i wouldn't care, but it is beyond me.
831 [09:45:16] <expert975> shtrb: how so?
832 [09:45:44] <expert975> n4dir: I would love to tinker with the
hardware, since I'm into that kind of stuff
833 [09:45:44] <shtrb> politics , DFSG was not contaminted with
that yet
834 [09:46:01] <shtrb> expert975, take a look on open hardware
835 [09:47:13] <n4dir> expert975: i do hear now and then that you
can "flash" something (something, huh? perhaps replace the
BIOS with a free one, like said: beyond me).
836 [09:47:44] <n4dir> friends of me are much in it, but i hardly
listen ... :-)
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838 [09:48:07] <expert975> shtrb: I've been searching for
that and closest thing to that I've found at a reasonably was
Raspiberry PI
839 [09:48:09] <shtrb> expert975, they are not x86 to my
knowledge but you can play with it nicely (
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842 [09:49:31] <shtrb> I think there where blobs even there
843 [09:49:32] <OS-41167> join #offsec
844 [09:49:36] <OS-41167> oops
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857 [09:56:29] <shtrb> expert975, also
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909 [10:45:39] <fenwick17_> Hello, having an issue with my panels
in KDE. For some reason whenever I reboot, the clock and system tray
move to the left. If I move them back to the right and lock widgets.
They will still move to the left on reboot
910 [10:45:57] <fenwick17_> Ooops, ignore that. Wrong channel
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913 [10:47:38] <rant> heh
914 [10:47:58] <rant> I've had that happen on Gnome2 and
MATE for years.. it doesnt ALWAYS happen but it happens
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923 [10:58:14] <Luyin> hi there, I'm trying to install
debian testing for arm64 on an HPE Proliant Gen10 Microserver.
I've already been here about a week ago with the same problem.
Last time I was told to try putting the iso on the usb drive again
because it might have been corrupted. Now that I did that, I get the
same error I got before: I insert the drive, start the server, press
F11 to get into the boot menu, select the usb
924 [10:58:16] <Luyin> drive, and end up with this:
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931 [11:02:09] <rant> how are you putting this ISO on the usb
drive?
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935 [11:03:29] <rant> also note this channel is for Debian stable
support, testing/unstable is #debian-next on irc.debian.org
(irc.oftc.net) but your current problem is likely just a matter of
properly writing the usb drive and thats not really a branch related
issue
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937 [11:03:57] <rant> Luyin: if you are merely putting an ISO
file onto a filesystem, that doesnt make the drive bootable
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939 [11:04:43] <Luyin> rant: I used dd: `sudo dd
if=Desktop/debian-testing-arm64-DVD-1.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=4M
status=progress`
940 [11:05:10] <Luyin> rant: right, sorry for the wrong channel
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943 [11:06:51] <rant> Luyin: well that should work.. but fwiw on
a linux system you can also use cp debian.iso /dev/sdb
944 [11:07:32] <rant> Luyin: as an extra step you may want to
verify the ISO against the checksum on the site you downloaded from
then also verify the written media
945 [11:07:57] <Luyin> done that too :)
946 [11:07:58] <rant> Luyin: just to be sure you're not
having any unexpected issues somewhere between the mirror and the
drive
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948 [11:08:32] <rant> Luyin: well then you're looking at
either a problem with the original file or a problem with the
hardware booting over USB
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950 [11:08:49] <rant> Luyin: have you verified the ISO or drive
itself either with a VM or another machine?
951 [11:08:58] <rant> is it the correct arch for the machine?
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953 [11:10:07] <Luyin> the ISO I verified from the same laptop
I've downloaded it with, and put it on the drive. the one
I'm at right now
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956 [11:13:32] <rant> I mean verified by booting it not by
checksum
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959 [11:14:17] <rant> we already covered that you checksummed the
ISO and drive.. that doesnt rule out that the ISO worked to begin
with
960 [11:15:06] <jelly> Luyin, does this model have iLO?
961 [11:15:40] <Luyin> rant: no, I haven't tested that yet.
I wanted to with a spare laptop, but I just realise that this
doesn't have an arm chip. so I'm not sure how I would do
that
962 [11:15:57] <jelly> Luyin, also, can you force it to do legacy
boot and not uefi boot?
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964 [11:16:20] <Luyin> yes, jelly, I can
965 [11:16:23] <rant> arm chip?
966 [11:16:32] <rant> the iso is amd64 you said
967 [11:16:39] <Luyin> someone on another channel just said
it's not arm but amd64 :-/
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969 [11:16:50] <Luyin> that would explain a lot
970 [11:17:02] <rant> thats what I'm getting at.. perhaps
you have the wrong arch
971 [11:17:17] <jelly> ah, did not even notice that
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975 [11:17:40] <Luyin> I'll find that out first. if it is,
I'm gonna slap myself for mixing that up m(
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980 [11:19:06] <rant> jelly: what? IS this machine an arm?
I'm watchin a movie and playin a game here.. I'm barely
payin attention myself :P
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982 [11:19:32] <jelly> unlikely
983 [11:19:39] <Luyin> rant: it has an AMD Opteron chip, and
according to Wikipedia, that's amd64, not arm :-/
984 [11:19:45] <Luyin> so I probably messed this stuff up
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986 [11:20:29] <rant> yes you got the wrong ISO
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1000 [11:26:19] <Luyin> ok...when I can use amd64, I won't
use debian but arch directly. :D
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1004 [11:34:26] <Luyin> yeah, the arch iso works. so it definitely
was the wrong arch before. thanks for the help everyone!
1005 [11:34:40] <Luyin> since my further questions won't
relate to debian anymore then, I'm out of here! bye!
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1018 [11:39:34] <rant> what?
1019 [11:40:34] <shtrb> he said thank you
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1021 [11:41:30] <rant> I thought he said I'm dumb as a sack
of hammers
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1023 [11:41:44] <diogenes_> lol
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1101 [12:41:34] <fenwick17_> I am using KDE with my debian 9
build, and noticing a lot of my settings aren't persisting
through reboot. Such as widget placement in the panel, and volume
settings. Is there a way to get them to persist?
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1111 [12:56:07] <jhutchins_wk> KDE has had a Settings option to
save the current session, and has had options to save the session
when closed. No idea what the current options are.
1112 [12:57:01] <jhutchins_wk> The transition from 3.5 to 4.x
destroyed 10 years worth of contacts, I run xfce now.
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1114 [12:57:04] <shtrb> start new, start from previous
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1116 [12:57:23] <jhutchins_wk> shtrb: Is that an option on the
greeter?
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1122 [13:00:24] <shtrb> no in systemsettings
1123 [13:00:33] <shtrb> for KF5
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1143 [13:10:07] <shtrb> jhutchins_wk, systemsettings -> startup
-> desktop session (start new, start manually saved, restore
previous session)
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1256 [14:45:54] <introom> hi
1257 [14:46:00] <introom> wheere can i install:
xserver-xorg-input-vmmouse
1258 [14:47:10] <apollo13> what is that and why do you think you
need it
1259 [14:47:28] <nkuttler> ,v xserver-xorg-input-vmmouse
1260 [14:47:29] <judd> Package: xserver-xorg-input-vmmouse on
amd64 -- wheezy: 1:12.9.0-1; jessie: 1:13.0.0-1+b3
1261 [14:47:45] <nkuttler> install an obsolete os?
1262 [14:47:51] <apollo13> :D
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1264 [14:47:57] <introom> E: Package
'xserver-xorg-input-vmmouse' has no installation candidat
1265 [14:48:09] <shtrb> introom, why do you need it ? (maybe it is
supported by some other package) ?
1266 [14:48:09] <apollo13> yes, we are aware of that; why do you
think you need it?
1267 [14:48:13] <nkuttler> sometimes it's also possible to
forward-port packages, but i doubt you need it
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1269 [14:49:25] <introom> long story. i am using vmware fusion
(host machine: mac), and the guest os is debian sid.
1270 [14:49:30] <eamanu> HEllo debianers!
1271 [14:49:38] <introom> running with i3 on xorg.
1272 [14:49:46] <apollo13> i3 still exists? wow
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1274 [14:49:56] <introom> the problem is, paste from host to guest
works from time to time.
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1276 [14:50:10] <introom> i suspect maybe i am missing some
driver, or other facilities.
1277 [14:50:17] <apollo13> did you install open-vm-tools
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1279 [14:50:28] <introom> i have to do a `echo "" |
xsel" to manually activate the host-to-guest paste support.
1280 [14:50:29] <nkuttler> i3 best wm
1281 [14:50:30] <apollo13> though I am not sure if that is for
vmware fusion or just esx & friends
1282 [14:50:39] <introom> i've installed
open-vm-tools-desktop
1283 [14:50:48] <apollo13> and the services are up and running?
1284 [14:51:04] <introom> apollo13: other than i3, what's
your choice?
1285 [14:51:26] <apollo13> introom: oh, I am using gnome but just
because I am lazy
1286 [14:51:52] <introom> apollo13: any clean gnome instllation
without pdf viewer, browser, or even file manager ?
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1289 [14:52:21] <apollo13> I don't follow; anyways I was only
surprised that it still exists, that's all
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1291 [14:52:46] <apollo13> that said; debian sid might simply not
work -- I highly doubt that sid is supported by fusion
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1295 [14:53:57] <choice> Hello! When I plug in my Android phone
into my Debian laptop, it gives me a drive called 'Internal
Memory'. Are my text messages in there somewhere?
1296 [14:54:05] <apollo13> no
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1302 [14:54:25] <apollo13> I mean it probably depends on the
messaging app you use, but 99.99% no
1303 [14:54:35] <choice> I use the built in app
1304 [14:54:40] <choice> I want to backup my messages.
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1307 [14:55:42] <apollo13> you can probably use adb backup
1308 [14:56:22] <choice> Reading about it ... it sounds like that
will create one huge file?
1309 [14:56:26] <apollo13> yes
1310 [14:56:46] <choice> And how do I parse it?
1311 [14:56:57] <choice> I want to have my text messages on my
laptop to read.
1312 [14:57:06] <apollo13> you will have a hard time doing that
1313 [14:57:34] <choice> Why? There are no tools to handle the
file?
1314 [14:57:47] <apollo13> afaik it is a zip file
1315 [14:58:00] <choice> That sounds good.
1316 [14:58:03] <choice> Let me try it ...
1317 [14:58:08] <apollo13> with all the apps and what not in there
(maybe); then find the messaging app and it's sqlite database
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1319 [14:58:15] <apollo13> then you can maybe read the messages
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1321 [14:58:55] <apollo13>
replaced-url
1322 [14:58:55] * choice runs apt install adb ...
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1324 [14:59:49] <choice> apollo13: Interesting. I will try with
the full backup first ...
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1334 [15:01:39] <choice> Hmmm... 'adb start-server' and
then 'adb backup -apk -shared -all -f backup-file.adb'
gives me this: adb: unable to connect for backup: device
'(null)' not found
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1341 [15:04:13] <choice> I had to enable use debugging
1342 [15:04:15] <choice> Now it works
1343 [15:04:32] <shtrb> it's not a true zip it's an
internal format (but you can use gzip and sqlite )
1344 [15:04:33] <aloo_shu> sure
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1348 [15:05:39] <shtrb> choice, you have several db files you can
get , but if you are lucky you can just do adb backup ... to get the
entire content (depend on your phone)
1349 [15:05:45] <shtrb> you can than extract that file
1350 [15:05:49] <aloo_shu> oh thx for gzip+sqlite hint
1351 [15:05:52] <choice> So how do I extract the adb file now?
1352 [15:06:06] <choice> I had to enter a password. Maybe I should
have left it blank?
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1355 [15:06:51] <choice> Hmm... it does not let me backup without
a password.
1356 [15:06:52] <shtrb> the password is encryption
1357 [15:06:56] <choice> Yeah
1358 [15:07:01] <choice> So how do I extract the adb file?
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1362 [15:07:50] <shtrb> choice, you may can just copy the file
itself (snoop around)
1363 [15:07:53] <NetTerminalGene> how can i check if a package in
hold situation?
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1365 [15:08:18] <choice> shtrb: Double clicking it does not work
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1367 [15:08:33] <shtrb> double clicking ?! it's command line
only
1368 [15:09:18] <choice> shtrb: But what do you mean with
'just copy the file itself'?
1369 [15:09:19] <shtrb> choice,
replaced-url
1370 [15:09:30] <choice> I want to access the content of the file.
1371 [15:09:31] <shtrb> choice, adb shell + cp ...pathtofile
1372 [15:09:43] <shtrb> locally you work on it
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1374 [15:10:00] <choice> shtrb: adb shell gives me a shell.
1375 [15:10:10] <aloo_shu> what file do you need, choice?
1376 [15:10:11] <choice> shtrb: 'cp test' seems to be
invalid
1377 [15:10:23] <choice> aloo_shu: I want to access the text
messages.
1378 [15:10:36] <aloo_shu> oop
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1382 [15:11:23] <aloo_shu> I'd find an app that saves them to
file for you, choice
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1384 [15:11:41] <shtrb> choice,
replaced-url
1385 [15:11:44] <choice> aloo_shu: I think adb just did that. But
it encrypted the file.
1386 [15:11:57] <aloo_shu> I know
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1388 [15:12:26] <shtrb> choice, but #android would know better
1389 [15:12:27] <aloo_shu> but adb backup files are often very
incomplete
1390 [15:12:30] <NetTerminalGene> how can i see which version of
package is installed?
1391 [15:12:42] <shtrb> NetTerminalGene, apt-cache policy
1392 [15:12:53] <aloo_shu> shtrb: you don't know #android :(
1393 [15:12:59] <choice> shtrb: Unfortunately they don't
1394 [15:13:15] <NetTerminalGene> shtrb, thanks
1395 [15:13:33] <aloo_shu> is your phone rooted, choice ?
1396 [15:13:40] <choice> aloo_shu: No
1397 [15:14:15] <aloo_shu> wait a sec
1398 [15:14:17] <shtrb> choice, try using the approach in the link
I gave you (copy to sdcard and then pull )
1399 [15:14:20] <shtrb> aloo_shu, I got help there once
1400 [15:14:56] <choice> shtrb: I would like to automate my full
phone backup and be able to read the backup.
1401 [15:15:09] <choice> So I can backup my phone every month or
so.
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1403 [15:15:16] <choice> And be sure the stuff is actually in
there.
1404 [15:15:23] <choice> And can read the text files on my pc.
1405 [15:15:30] <shtrb> choice, adb could do that for you (just
make sure you can restore into a vm )
1406 [15:15:48] <choice> shtrb: I want to read the files in my
Debian.
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1409 [15:15:58] <choice> I think all I need to do is decrypt the
adb file.
1410 [15:16:26] <Dyl0n> q
1411 [15:16:26] <choice> Unfortunately the phone won't let me
backup without a password.
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1414 [15:16:47] <shtrb> before that, try to restore to an android
vm
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1416 [15:16:55] <choice> shtrb: Why?
1417 [15:17:06] <shtrb> because you can mount the filesystem of a
vm
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1419 [15:17:13] <shtrb> and make sure the backup is valid
1420 [15:17:16] <aloo_shu> choice would this help?
replaced-url
1421 [15:17:49] <choice> aloo_shu: I would prefer to backup the
whole phone in one go.
1422 [15:17:59] <aloo_shu> ah
1423 [15:18:17] <shtrb> choice, and that's why I said setup
an android vm and check the restore
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1425 [15:19:04] <choice> shtrb: I don't understand you
reasoning behind that suggestion
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1427 [15:19:51] <shtrb> If you perform a full backup you can - 1)
verify that you can restore into a vm 2) you can mount the vm as a
filesystem and copy files
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1432 [15:20:36] <choice> shtrb: 1) If I manage to decrypt the
backup I can do that too. And I need to decrypt it anyhow.
1433 [15:20:56] <shtrb> yes, but adb restore is the android way to
restore
1434 [15:20:58] <choice> shtrb: If the encrpytion took place on
the phone (which I am afraid might have happened) then 2) would not
work.
1435 [15:21:16] <shtrb> you mount the vm not the backup
1436 [15:21:30] <choice> I somehow have the feeling the encryption
uses a key that is derived from something inside the phone.
1437 [15:21:47] <choice> Then the whole operation is pointless to
begin with.
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1441 [15:22:50] <choice> Unfortunately what I read online seems to
confirm this.
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1445 [15:23:33] <choice> Or maybe not.
1446 [15:23:40] <choice> There seem to be some decryption tools.
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1450 [15:24:01] <shtrb> adb restore does the decryption for you
1451 [15:24:13] <shtrb> so is openssl that I suggested you few
minutes ago
1452 [15:24:38] <choice> shtrb: You still mean the VM way? That is
hard to automate.
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1455 [15:25:13] <shtrb> oh I missed you get an error for backup ,
make sure the adb-server is running as root
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1459 [15:25:31] <choice> shtrb: I got the backup running
meanwhile.
1460 [15:25:41] <shtrb> ok it will take a while
1461 [15:25:49] <choice> It's pretty quick.
1462 [15:25:55] <choice> But it creates an encrypted file.
1463 [15:25:58] <choice> Thats the problem.
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1465 [15:26:21] <shtrb> it's few gbs (should be)
1466 [15:26:43] <choice> It's just 20MB
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1468 [15:26:59] <shtrb> too small
1469 [15:27:04] <choice> Why?
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1472 [15:27:53] <shtrb> because on average mine had been in the
gbs
1473 [15:28:40] <choice> Looks like I have less stuff on my phone.
1474 [15:29:10] <aloo_shu> no, the .ab just has the app settings,
not much more
1475 [15:29:46] <choice> aloo_shu: It's an .adb file
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1479 [15:30:28] <aloo_shu> the result of running adb backup,
right?
1480 [15:30:45] <aloo_shu> tnat doesn't back up much
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1482 [15:30:58] <choice> Yeah
1483 [15:31:25] <choice> I wonder how to find out what is in
there.
1484 [15:31:30] <choice> Since it's encrypted I can't :)
1485 [15:31:50] <aloo_shu> maybe gzip takes a password
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1487 [15:32:10] <aloo_shu> try man gzip or man gunzip to find out
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1489 [15:32:39] <choice> I'm pretty sure it's a
propriatery format.
1490 [15:33:05] <choice> Opening it in a text editor, it starts
with 'ANDROID BACKUP'
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1492 [15:33:13] <choice> I don't think that's a valid
gzip file.
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1496 [15:34:29] <shtrb> dd if=mybackup.ab bs=24 skip=1 | openssl
zlib -d > mybackup.tar try
1497 [15:34:54] <choice> I give it a 0% chance, but ok...
1498 [15:34:59] <aloo_shu> there is a package that runs on top of
adb, dalvik debug monitor
1499 [15:36:14] <shtrb> choice, so ?
1500 [15:36:14] <choice> shtrb: openssl:Error: 'zlib' is
an invalid command.
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1508 [15:40:24] <choice> I think I give up on this.
1509 [15:41:47] <`whoami`> Hello, I regularily lose my network
connectivity (wireless AND wired ones), and can't find the
reason. Not much info in /var/log/syslog ; /var/log/messages nor
/var/log/debug (actually, no info at all, except from "perf:
interrupt took too long (2504 > 2500), lowering
kernel.perf_event_max_sample_rate" ; but i've read those
messages were nothing to worry about..
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1511 [15:44:47] <`whoami`> any hint about where to look at would
be hihgly appreciated
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1514 [15:45:48] <`whoami`> and my other computer doesn't lose
it's connectivity, so it's probably not a router issue
1515 [15:45:50] <iflema> loosing connection or loosing DNS?
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1517 [15:45:55] <`whoami`> iflema: connection
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1519 [15:46:15] <iflema> `whoami`: how do you tell?
1520 [15:46:38] <`whoami`> like, i'm ssh'ed into that
computer right now, and suddenly i'm unable to type anymore (it
kinda freezes), and comes back after a short (well, several seconds)
moment
1521 [15:47:16] <`whoami`> also, i'm connected to other irc
networks, and i see my ping rate growing
1522 [15:47:19] <nyov> (nitpick: it's losing; from lost, not
from loose)
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1524 [15:47:43] <`whoami`> ah, losing, ok.
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1526 [15:48:30] <iflema> luhzing
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1529 [15:49:57] <`whoami`> at first i thought it was because of
sh*tty CPL (that's how I use my wired connection), but it
happens when connected over wifi as well
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1531 [15:50:19] <`whoami`> and again: other computers on the
network don't seem to be affected (well, the one i currently
uses works just fine)
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1534 [15:52:28] <nyov> most NICs I know would at least log some
kind of "connection established" for a wired card in dmesg
1535 [15:52:32] <choice> /quit
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1538 [15:53:36] <nyov> so you should see _some_ noise in the logs.
similar for wifi I think. at least nm was rather verbose as I recall
1539 [15:53:40] <`whoami`> it happened like one or two minutes
ago, but nothing in the logs
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1542 [15:54:13] <`whoami`> the last message from /var/log/debug is
"Oct 21 15:18:48 mediacenter kernel: [ 8.803157] ieee80211
phy1: Selected rate control algorithm 'minstrel_ht'"
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1545 [15:56:37] <`whoami`> it doesn't last long, only like
... 30-45 secs, but it's enough to drive me insane :p
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1645 [16:53:43] <ballin> what is the recommended way to
automatically update debian? I'm on 9.5 as a desktop user. in
other distros there is an occasional popup prompting the user to
update. I am especially concerned about security updates. I see this
is an option.
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1649 [17:01:20] <Thedarkb-M90> Checking for zlib.h (zlib1g-dev)...
found but does not link, please install it or set PKG_CONFIG_PATH
right!
1650 [17:01:20] <Thedarkb-M90> To see the failed commands, set
DEPENDENCIES_CHECK=verbose
1651 [17:01:25] <Thedarkb-M90> What do I need to install?
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1655 [17:02:56] <n4dir> ballin: i think unattended upgrades are
slightly different. For example the package
"pk-update-icon" seems to do what you want. gnome and kde
are said to have such try-icons per default.
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1658 [17:03:43] <n4dir> i for one simply run apt-get update,
apt-get upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade regularly.
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1676 [17:14:12] <ballin> is there a rule of thumb about what gets
updated in stable and what does not ? for example, firefox ESR got
updated from 52.x to 60.x I believe.
1677 [17:15:59] <n4dir> as a rule of thumb i wouldn't expect
much to be updated. stable pretty much stays as is ( besides
security, but no higher versions or features and sure no additional
applications)
1678 [17:16:14] <n4dir> it is not put in proper terms, but around
the lines of that.
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1680 [17:19:25] <ballin> i'm guessing mozilla stopped
supporting 52.x and that prompted the update in stable
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1682 [17:20:46] <apollo13> I think pretty much all distros
nowadays update firefox/chrome ESR even n LTS releases
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1685 [17:21:11] <apollo13> the probably also forbid dependencies
onto those browsers because updates would most likely break that
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1716 [17:38:09] <Fenwick17> Switched over to XFCE recently, and
ran `sudo apt-get remove kde-plasma-desktop` to remove previous DE.
However, that left over the majority of the KDE applications. Is
there an efficient way to remove them?
1717 [17:38:52] <BCMM> Fenwick17: autoremove
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1720 [17:39:40] <Fenwick17> BCCM: That worked a treat, I tried
that before but it said nothing to remove. However, since rebooting
it appears the packages are now listed
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1722 [17:40:13] <BCMM> Fenwick17: reboot shouldn't have
changed that...
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1724 [17:41:25] <Fenwick17> BCMM: autoremove appears to have got
rid of 94 packages, however they still show up in my whisker menu
list, or some of them like "KDE Connect Settings" for
example
1725 [17:41:45] <BCMM> i'm not sure what a whisker menu is
1726 [17:41:55] <Fenwick17> Application menu for XFCE
1727 [17:42:09] <Fenwick17> So I can still run a number of KDE
applications
1728 [17:42:23] <Barones> Hi, I'm having a pretty bad time
trying to install nvidia optimus + bumblebee on my system. I'm
using debian 9.5, kern 4.9.0-8 and following debian wiki to install
nvidia drivers. Here is some info about system and packages,
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1729 [17:42:46] <BCMM> Fenwick17: what happened before is that you
removed just the metapackage. kde-plasma-desktop doesn't
actually install any files; it's sole purpose is to depend on
other packages.
1730 [17:43:20] <BCMM> Fenwick17: uninstalling the metapackage
doesn't do anything, on it's own, but when you later do
autoremove, apt will notice that the stuff it used to depend on now
has no reason to be installed
1731 [17:43:43] <BCMM> if you have any kde packages you *did*
explicitely install, as opposed to get just because of the
metapackage, autoremove will have left those in
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1733 [17:44:32] <Fenwick17> BCMM: That makes sense, bit odd that a
lot of the applications are still there after running autoremove
1734 [17:45:27] <BCMM> Fenwick17: still installed, or just still
showing on a launcher?
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1736 [17:45:40] <BCMM> on some DEs you will need to log in again
for the application launcher to update
1737 [17:45:58] <Fenwick17> BCMM: I will logout and back in again
to test that, as currently I can still run them
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1739 [17:46:15] <BCMM> Fenwick17: do you want to get rid of *all*
kde applications?
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1742 [17:47:20] <fenwick17_> BCMM: Logged out and back in,
applications are still showing and can still run them
1743 [17:47:36] <BCMM> fenwick17_: if you want to get rid of all
kde applications, you could try removing libkf5guiaddons5
1744 [17:47:54] <BCMM> which i *think* any GUI kf5 application
should depend on
1745 [17:48:39] <fenwick17_> BCMM: That would cause 147 removals,
and it seems a lot of that is KDE related stuff
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1766 [17:59:26] <d3c0> !hi
1767 [17:59:26] <dpkg> hello, d3c0
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1769 [18:00:10] <d3c0> how I configure proxy manually ?
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1785 [18:11:02] <at0m> d3c0: client? server? what proxy where?
1786 [18:11:26] <d3c0> I need config proxy to update from the
repos
1787 [18:12:51] <at0m> d3c0: add to /etc/apt/apt.conf or a file in
/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ : Acquire::http::Proxy "replaced-url
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1791 [18:14:07] <aloo_shu> unless he's talking about mirrors
as 'proxy'
1792 [18:14:29] <at0m> we'll soon find out
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1794 [18:18:57] <d3c0> atOm, thank you is working
1795 [18:19:06] <at0m> d3c0: you're welcome
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1853 [18:57:47] <Pongo1> A
1854 [18:58:01] <Pongo1> All
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1892 [19:17:56] <guesOo> hi, yesterday I had a problem, where I
could only create files on an ntfs partition, when I delete one
file. I think the problem has something to do with MFT.
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1894 [19:18:45] <guesOo> does someone know how I can find out how
much free entries there are in my MAT?
1895 [19:18:50] <guesOo> *MFT
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1898 [19:19:39] <guesOo> ntfs-3g tells me: No free mft record for
$MFT
1899 [19:20:22] <guesOo> I thought the mft is dynamic.
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1904 [19:21:13] <guesOo> meaning, if there is free space, new
entries can be created
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1924 [19:35:28] <JordiGH> I'm trying to remember what kind of
modern thing there was instead of iptables.
1925 [19:35:49] <JordiGH> Maybe it's still iptables but now
it's managed by systemd instead of some other thing?
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1927 [19:36:19] <SwedeMike> JordiGH:
replaced-url
1928 [19:37:17] <JordiGH> Thanks, that's it!
1929 [19:37:32] <annadane> yeah nftables. supposedly there's
an iptables compatibility layer so the old syntax still works
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1940 [19:43:01] <JordiGH> Man, nftables aren't mentioned at
all in
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1993 [20:18:14] <choice> I'm trying to make a backup of my
Android phone to my Debian laptop. In a readable way. 'adb
backup -all -f backup.ab' seems to create a backup. But it is
encrypted and so far I did not manage to decrypt it. Did anybody
ever do this successfully? Making a readable backup of an Android
phone?
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2003 [20:27:46] <nyov> choice: think lower level. backup
partitions, those will be mountable in linux
2004 [20:28:17] <choice> nyov: How can one do that?
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2006 [20:29:10] <nyov> I don't remember that tool... let me
check
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2016 [20:33:30] <nyov> choice: phew, been a while.
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2019 [20:34:02] <choice> nyov: Thanks. Let me take a look ...
2020 [20:34:11] <nyov> choice: not sure if that is still usable
with modern? androids
2021 [20:34:32] <nyov>
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2022 [20:35:56] <choice> nyov: Nandroid needs a rooted phone.
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2025 [20:36:53] <nyov> uh, I guess. but how else do you get at
*all* the data?
2026 [20:37:10] <dominik> Hi, after upgrading my Debian box, the
/etc/init.d/networking script fails and times out on boot up
2027 [20:37:12] <nyov> for me backup == restore everything
2028 [20:37:23] <choice> nyov: Well, I only want data like the sms
messages and contacts.
2029 [20:37:35] <choice> I think those are in fact the only pieces
of data I need.
2030 [20:37:38] <nyov> then adb pull
2031 [20:37:41] <dominik> however, once logged in, I can run the
/sbin/ifup -a --read-environment and it finds my wifi network
2032 [20:37:49] <choice> nyov: Pull what?
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2034 [20:38:02] <nyov> whatever you want to backup. why ask me?
2035 [20:38:07] <dominik> so I'm wondering why this very same
command cannot be run during startup by systemctl
2036 [20:38:16] <dominik> does anyone know why?
2037 [20:38:21] <choice> nyov: Well, I guess 'adb pull
sms-messages' would not work.
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2043 [20:40:43] <choice> My conclusion is that it is not possible
to get the text messages from a non-rooted phone.
2044 [20:40:59] <choice> Google wants to tightly hold your data in
their grip.
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2046 [20:41:45] <dominik> moreover, changing some settings in
/etc/default/networking doesn't have an effect on the
networking init script run during startup.
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2049 [20:42:10] <dominik> (e.g., I tried to set the verbosity to
yes, but it isn't taken into account when rebooting...)
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2051 [20:42:29] <dominik> so I suspect there is something messed
up with my startup scripts, etc.
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2054 [20:47:39] <annadane> dominik, by upgrade you mean jessie
-> stretch or just a smaller upgrade?
2055 [20:48:01] <annadane> basically what i'm getting at is
"what got upgraded"
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2058 [20:50:40] <choice> How do I tell find to only list files
that I can read?
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2060 [20:50:48] <annadane> dominix, i guess you can also post the
script to paste.debian.net and we can look at it
2061 [20:50:52] <annadane> er
2062 [20:51:08] <annadane> did they leave, or name change
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2079 [20:58:52] <JordiGH> How do you feel about Mono? Is it a
security risk? An attack surface?
2080 [20:59:11] <apollo13> isn't literally everything an
attack surface?
2081 [20:59:31] <JordiGH> That's what I think.
2082 [20:59:41] <JordiGH> I'm reading something that says,
"don't install Mono".
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2084 [20:59:43] <apollo13> so isn't that question in itself
rather rhetoric?
2085 [20:59:44] <JordiGH> I'm like, c'mon.
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2091 [21:01:27] <at0m> apollo13: there's a difference in size
of attack surface between, say, wp and ssh
2092 [21:01:41] <BCMM> wp as in wordpress?
2093 [21:01:46] <at0m> yes
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2095 [21:01:59] <apollo13> at0m: sure, but we are talking about a
programming language here
2096 [21:02:01] <apollo13> also libssh ;)
2097 [21:02:14] <at0m> CMS is always a big risk, libssh ;p is not
2098 [21:02:48] <JordiGH> Are they attack vectors or attack
surfaces?
2099 [21:02:50] <at0m> apollo13: i was referring to the ssh
server, not the lib so
2100 [21:02:53] <JordiGH> What's the dimensionality of the
attack manifold?
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2103 [21:03:01] <apollo13> at0m: hence ";)"
2104 [21:03:44] <nyov> lol JordiGH
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2110 [21:08:39] <nyov> also "mono" isn't a thing.
you can install mono libs as needed (at least when using debian
pkgs), so the surface will vary depending on the installed software
2111 [21:09:12] <JordiGH> Well, they all require the mono-runtime
package.
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2140 [21:19:11] <NetTerminalGene> i heard firefox sends some
telemetry even if you disable it. is it same with firefox esr?
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2143 [21:19:56] <nyov> %) why would it be different? ESR=Extended
Support Release
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2148 [21:21:02] <NetTerminalGene> nyov, maybe debian maintainer
disable it
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2152 [21:21:59] <nyov> NetTerminalGene: maybe. but then you should
ask about the debian package specifically. ESR releases are a
mozilla thing
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2155 [21:22:22] <nyov> (and I don't know the answer to your
question)
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2157 [21:23:12] <annadane> esr 60 has pocket and afaik mozilla
doesn't heavily modify firefox so whatever your feelings on
pocket are it *probably* also applies to esr in debian
2158 [21:23:28] <annadane> which can be disabled fyi
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2163 [21:26:46] <annadane> sorry i meant debian doesn't
heavily modify it
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2195 [21:43:58] <dominik> Hi, does anyone know why during startup
the networking.service script times out, but when I run it
afterwards with `sudo systemctl start networking.service` it works
perfectly fine?
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2202 [21:48:25] <dominik> in particular, I observe the following:
2203 [21:48:27] <dominik>
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2205 [21:48:52] <dominik> and I don't know why it fails
during boot, while it works afterwards...
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2207 [21:49:08] <dominik> if anyone has a clue about it, I'd
be more than happy to learn what is happening here
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2232 [22:06:01] <JordiGH> dominik: Find anything in the systemd
logs?
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2237 [22:08:51] <dominik> JordiGH: let me check
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2246 [22:17:23] <dominik> JordiGH: According to journalctl -xe,
the networking.service script in fact times out during boot.
2247 [22:18:20] <dominik> and even giving it 5 minutes to
complete, isn't enough during boot time. However, when I then
run systemctl start networking.service once fully booted, it takes
only 10 seconds to complete.
2248 [22:19:00] <JordiGH> It doesn't say at which step? :-/
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2252 [22:22:27] <Ameisen> How the heck do I stop Debian from
automatically 'timing out' and sleeping after
inactivity... it's not inactive
2253 [22:22:36] <Ameisen> I'm building some packages, so
I'm just not directly using it
2254 [22:22:48] <Ameisen> but it is going to sleep, and then the
building pauses
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2258 [22:23:59] <dominik> JordiGH: unfortunately, not. I'll
reboot to see if I can get some more updated logs.
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2261 [22:24:14] <m_g_lewis> Ameisen: Somewhere in your menus there
should be an application that controls power management...where
depends upon your window manager...
2262 [22:24:33] <Ameisen> using gdm3+gnome+wayland atm
2263 [22:24:38] <dominik> JordiGH: thanks for your help!
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2272 [22:26:01] <antto> Ameisen check maybe in your screensaver
also
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2282 [22:30:01] <m_g_lewis> Ameisen: I'm using LXDE so
I'm not sure...mine is under XFCE Power manager...
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2285 [22:32:33] <PaddyF> did with time travel to the 90s or why do
my ssh connections drop when inactive for a few minutes?
2286 [22:32:41] <PaddyF> the default is 120 minutes, right?
2287 [22:33:03] <PaddyF> s/did with/did we/
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2292 [22:36:13] <PaddyF> ping times are strange. i have no lag
according to irssi but a self ping takes 4 seconds
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2303 [22:39:33] <at0m> PaddyF: /set lag_min_show
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2305 [22:39:55] <at0m> defaults to 3s afaik
2306 [22:40:11] <NetTerminalGene> how can i learn how much package
my debian has?
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2308 [22:40:26] <NetTerminalGene> how much package installed
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2310 [22:40:45] <at0m> NetTerminalGene: one way is dpkg
--get-selections | wc -l
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2312 [22:41:12] <NetTerminalGene> at0m, thanks
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2318 [22:48:32] <leachim6> sorry,
2319 [22:48:34] <leachim6> I lied
2320 [22:48:38] <leachim6> it was $2.96
2321 [22:48:50] <leachim6>
replaced-url
2322 [22:49:25] <leachim6> whoops, wrong channel heh, sorry
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2376 [23:22:51] <Ameisen> Well, made the mistake of running
apt-build on libreoffice
2377 [23:22:56] * Ameisen waits forever
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2388 [23:27:47] <kts> xfce screen brightness reset to 100 every
reboot.
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