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• 85[01:49:02] <sney> there's no release date yet, but everything is on track for the freeze to start next month, and then the release ~8 months later
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• 88[01:50:50] <Pongongong> sney: NICE!!!
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• 90[01:51:19] <Pongongong> hope the default is not wayland anymore.... wayland is really unstable
• 91[01:51:34] <sney> nothing crazy here, there's a new version about every 2 years. replaced-url
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• 94[01:52:00] <sney> afaik wayland will still be the default for gnome desktops and nothing else. it is, of course, a newer wayland than the one in buster.
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• 98[01:52:20] <sney> none of this has been finalized yet, bookmark replaced-url
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• 104[01:54:37] <mutante> "is excited for brandnew release" .. "wants stable software"
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• 107[02:01:02] <ratrace> "a newer wayland" .... you mean, a newer wayland _compositor_, gnome's mutter
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• 116[02:09:07] <sney> a newer entire desktop stack, if we want to be nitpicky
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• 215[03:35:35] <maneglegle> hello, have some1 been successful doing dual monitors on a laptop with 2vga controllers?
• 216[03:35:44] <maneglegle> on debian
• 217[03:35:55] <maneglegle> 11
• 218[03:36:24] <dvs> 11?
• 219[03:36:27] <dvs> !debian-next
• 220[03:36:28] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also replaced-url
• 221[03:36:54] <maneglegle> oh
• 222[03:36:57] <maneglegle> srry
• 223[03:37:31] <maneglegle> Channel is invite only
• 224[03:37:56] <dvs> on OFTC
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• 436[08:49:39] <ax562> hi all , is #debian-next down? can't seem to login
• 437[08:50:24] <ratrace> ax562: it's on OFTC
• 438[08:50:41] <ax562> yeah, I cant' login
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• 440[08:50:53] <ratrace> define "can't"
• 441[08:51:29] <EdePopede> looks good from here, though i didn't /join
• 442[08:52:18] <ax562> I go there -> replaced-url
• 443[08:52:22] <ax562> might be on my end
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• 445[08:53:42] <EdePopede> also works here
• 446[08:53:44] <jelly> ax562: maybe use a real irc client instead of the web interface?
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• 449[08:54:16] <jelly> ax562: your hexchat is perfectly able to connect to OFTC
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• 451[08:54:52] <ax562> can I be connected to both simultanesouly?
• 452[08:54:56] <jelly> yes!
• 453[08:55:02] <ax562> What!?!
• 454[08:55:13] <jelly> I'm connected to four different networks w/ hexchat
• 455[08:55:20] <ax562> what a day :P
• 456[08:55:25] <queip> jelly: you on Ubuntu really?
• 457[08:55:30] <queip> OWOLOLO
• 458[08:55:53] <jelly> queip: I use multiple machine, not on Ubuntu right now
• 459[08:56:36] <EdePopede> there should be stickers "My other machine runs on DEBIAN""
• 460[08:57:32] <jelly> I think we're down to less than a hundred debians now
• 461[08:58:08] <queip> well I really wanted to move away from Debian with all the stupid systemd
• 462[08:58:13] <queip> though didn't bothered yet
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• 465[08:58:52] <jelly> systemd is not the stupid bit, hardware support is
• 466[08:59:03] <queip> I dislike systemd too
• 467[08:59:09] <queip> and the fact no email client is good
• 468[08:59:09] * jelly shrugs
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• 628[12:15:25] <Lope> Anybody know how to use NvEnc in OBS-studio? NvEnc encode option doesn't appear. I found instructions from 2016 showing an overly complicated process to recompile ffmpeg etc
• 629[12:15:53] <Lope> apparently ubuntu has a "NvEnc enabled" ffmpeg version.
• 630[12:15:55] <tarzeau> Lope: maybe if you get the source package and rebuild it? (if it's cmake or so)?
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• 632[12:16:11] <Lope> when I search the bullseye repos for nvenc the most relevant thing I find is: libnvidia-encode1
• 633[12:16:17] <tarzeau> Lope: debian is free software. most packages don't use nvidia cuda optimisations (the binaries)
• 634[12:16:41] <tarzeau> Lope: that'd be a library needed during build time for obs-studio then..
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• 636[12:16:51] <tarzeau> and i'm sure it's not in main but contrib/non-free
• 637[12:17:29] <Lope> tarzeau, alrighty
• 638[12:17:35] <Lope> I wonder if it's worth the hassle :/
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• 640[12:17:42] <Lope> can't wait for a decent AMD GPU :/
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• 645[12:21:13] <Cymew> I've encountered a weirdness. When I uninstall mesa-utils, apt tries to configure the sssd-common package. I.e. "apt remove mesa-utils" generates this line "Setting up sssd-common (1.16.1-1ubuntu1.7)". Is that a thing apt does, poking at other packages when installing/uninstalling?
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• 647[12:22:16] <tarzeau> Lope: and me for a linux port to m1 :)
• 648[12:22:37] <Lope> m1?
• 649[12:22:38] <tarzeau> Lope: yeah rebuilding packages for your own site (using reprepro is certainly worth it)
• 650[12:22:43] <tarzeau> arm from apple
• 651[12:22:45] <tarzeau> !m1
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• 653[12:22:51] <Lope> reprepro?
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• 655[12:23:03] <Lope> gross
• 656[12:23:11] <Lope> apple = toilet of tech
• 657[12:23:12] <tarzeau> Lope: if it for a single machine just rebuild it, dget url.to.dsc; dpkg-source -x the.dsc; cd thedir*/; debuild
• 658[12:23:21] <tarzeau> !reprepro
• 659[12:23:21] <dpkg> reprepro (formerly mirrorer) is a tool to produce, manage and sync a local repository of Debian packages. See /usr/share/doc/reprepro/short-howto.gz after package installation to set up a repository. Alternatively, ask me about <dpkg-scanpackages>.
• 660[12:23:21] <Lope> shiny toilet
• 661[12:23:41] <Lope> RISC-V is where it's at.
• 662[12:23:49] <tarzeau> Lope: apple, i'm glad saved next (the company that did nextstep/openstep) that we can have a gnustep, and made flash (from adobe) disappear
• 663[12:24:05] <Brigo> Cymew, yes, removing or installing a package can trigger the configuration of others. It is a must if you thing about it.
• 664[12:24:11] <tarzeau> Lope: haha that mess, wasn't there that post if you can't use a cpu without assembly, no thanks
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• 666[12:26:10] <Cymew> Brigo: Ok. Good to know. Do you have any idea how you can diagnose what triggers this one? Is there a way to get the dependency graph or something?
• 667[12:26:13] <Lope> it's amazing what a nightmare it is to simply use nvenc in OBS in linux
• 668[12:26:35] <Lope> why can't the non-free repo simply have a obs-studio-nvidia package?
• 669[12:27:08] <Lope> are we trying to force people to not use linux?
• 670[12:27:10] <Brigo> Cymew, sorry. i dont' know how configuration dependencies are handled.
• 671[12:27:29] <Cymew> Brigo: Ok. Many thanks.
• 672[12:27:47] <tarzeau> Lope: because there's dfsg and social contract?
• 673[12:27:54] <Lope> I get the whole free software things, and I hate blobs etc. But unfortunately there hasn't been much choice available in the market for GPUs.
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• 675[12:28:06] <tarzeau> Lope: then just rebuild it, where's the problem?
• 676[12:28:25] <Brigo> Cymew, maybe something like this: "A package can be interested in a certain path through the "triggers" file in
• 677[12:28:25] <Brigo> its control archive. When another package shipping a file under that path gets
• 678[12:28:25] <Brigo> installed, then the package being interested in the path gets triggered. The
• 679[12:28:25] <Brigo> triggering package (the one providing the file) gets put into the
• 680[12:28:25] <Brigo> triggers-awaited state and the package that was interested in that path gets
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• 683[12:28:36] <Lope> tarzeau, there doesn't seem to be a recent guild guide for building ffmpeg and obs-studio
• 684[12:28:46] <Lope> All the guides I've seen are 3~4 years old
• 685[12:29:00] <Lope> and various people having problems getting the builds to work etc.
• 686[12:29:14] <tarzeau> Lope: i just told you how? dget , or wait:
• 687[12:29:17] <tarzeau> !simple sid backport
• 688[12:29:17] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) apt update; apt install build-essential; apt build-dep packagename 4) apt -b source packagename 5) dpkg -i packagename-ver.deb To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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• 690[12:29:32] <tarzeau> Lope: i can give it a try... if that helps?
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• 692[12:29:47] <Lope> tarzeau, I'm on bullseye, would there be bullseye-backports?
• 693[12:29:49] <Lope> I doubt it
• 694[12:30:04] <Lope> it's not a backport issue, it's a licensing issue, isn't it?
• 695[12:30:07] <tarzeau> i'm not sure, but i doubt backports or fasttrack does non-free builds
• 696[12:30:16] <tarzeau> yes exactly
• 697[12:30:25] <Lope> I don't think backports is a relevant concept for this issue
• 698[12:30:50] <tarzeau> the thing is, it's called backport, as in you do it, (build it from source), nothing to do with backport as a repository as in bpo
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• 700[12:31:27] <Lope> ohhhh, wow, that's interesting!
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• 706[12:33:09] <freem> how much disk space is _required_ to upgrade a kernel through apt, on an x86 VM?
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• 708[12:33:43] <Lope> tarzeau, this is very interesting, thank you. I'll look into this. Is there some webpage that lays out the process?
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• 710[12:34:58] <tarzeau> Lope: dunno, but i use this script: replaced-url
• 711[12:35:31] <tarzeau> Lope: because i run many nvidia cuda desktop computers, and not all of them have the same cuda version, and i only use a single reprepro repository, so they all get a local source build of nvtop
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• 715[12:38:10] <Lope> tarzeau, looks like nvenc is automagically enabled if it detects nvidia drivers when you compile: replaced-url
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• 718[12:40:15] <Lope> tarzeau, okay I'm going to try building ffmpeg with your deb sourcery
• 719[12:40:26] <Lope> (not your script, just the above in the channel)
• 720[12:40:55] <Lope> tarzeau, what does this do: apt -b source ffmpeg
• 721[12:42:01] <tarzeau> Lope: downloads the source debian package of ffmpeg and unpacks it
• 722[12:42:23] <tarzeau> Lope: it makes sense to have the right sources, i usually take from sid and/or experimental, but then i use sid :)
• 723[12:42:34] <Lope> tarzeau, cool. will apt automagically recompile when there are updates?
• 724[12:42:34] <tarzeau> Lope: but always build a deb source package on the target machine (distro)
• 725[12:42:40] <tarzeau> Lope: no :)
• 726[12:42:51] <Lope> time to switch to gentoo?
• 727[12:42:52] <Lope> :p
• 728[12:43:14] <tarzeau> Lope: but i'd absolutely love an easier way to manage debian packages the source way (as in rebuild with optimisations for selectively speed, and size)
• 729[12:43:46] <tarzeau> but that's not something to be solved by single poor man, but multiples of them. if i'm wrong and there's already something, i'd love to get pointed at it
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• 731[12:44:49] <Lope> tarzeau, me too. I'm considering trying gentoo in future.
• 732[12:44:57] <Lope> But would not hazard it until I upgrade my CPU.
• 733[12:45:17] <Lope> gentoo on a haswell 4c4t seems like a bad idea.
• 734[12:45:36] <Lope> gentoo on anything kind of seems like a bad idea. But I like trying bad ideas.
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• 736[12:46:08] <Lope> I love debian, but when I run into BS like this it makes me want to switch to gentoo.
• 737[12:46:42] <Lope> precompiled binaries makes sense, but I think there should be more variety of binaries.
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• 739[12:47:12] <Lope> Not ONLY (basically) ARM, i386 and amd64
• 740[12:47:28] <Lope> Some amd64 is old as shit and lacks AVX etc.
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• 742[12:49:59] <Lope> tarzeau, where is: ffmpeg/debian/rules
• 743[12:50:53] <Lope> geez, ffmpeg takes LONG to compile on my poor bastard 4c4t haswell.
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• 745[12:51:45] <ratrace> Lope: i5? I gots one two.
• 746[12:51:47] <ratrace> *too
• 747[12:52:24] <Lope> ratrace, yeah 4670k @ 4.4ghz
• 748[12:52:49] <tarzeau> what can i say? i'm on Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-2400S CPU @ 2.50GHz, 4 cores, 16gb memory. zram enabled, nohang installed
• 749[12:53:08] <Lope> tarzeau, the source dir appears where you run the apt commands
• 750[12:53:09] <tarzeau> ok it's just a terminal, i do the real stuff on 16+ cores, 24+ gb memory
• 751[12:53:26] <tarzeau> Lope: in that same dir, yes with that same_name-someversion/
• 752[12:53:34] <Lope> tarzeau, I've also got some shit laptops
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• 756[12:55:08] <Lope> oops, ran the command in my root and apt made a mess.
• 757[12:55:30] <Lope> gotta love linux.
• 758[12:55:35] <tarzeau> Lope: the command being debuild? it would just fail telling you're not in the source dir?
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• 760[12:56:03] <Lope> the last command that I ran was apt -b source ffmpeg
• 761[12:56:09] <Lope> which caused it to build it.
• 762[12:56:44] <tarzeau> Lope: man apt didn't tell me anything about -b, but from running the command it just downloaded and unpacked
• 763[12:56:50] <tarzeau> Lope: cd ffmpeg*/; then run debuild
• 764[12:57:08] <tarzeau> Lope: then check the buildlog if it linked against nvenc, or run ldd on the installed binary packages' binary
• 765[12:57:43] <Lope> tarzeau, at the end it said: dpkg-buildpackage: info: binary-only upload (no source included)
• 766[12:57:53] <Lope> W: Download is performed unsandboxed as root as file 'ffmpeg_4.3.1-5.dsc' couldn't be accessed by user '_apt'. - pkgAcquire::Run (13: Permission denied)
• 767[12:58:02] <Lope> what's this upload story?
• 768[12:59:07] <tarzeau> Lope: just ignore that and change directory to the source package, and run debuild
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• 770[13:00:00] <Lope> tarzeau, seems like it already built though?
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• 772[13:00:22] <tarzeau> you can either read a ton of text at replaced-url
• 773[13:00:22] <Lope> took >10 mins @ 100% CPU all cores etc. It built *something*
• 774[13:00:30] <tarzeau> Lope: you can easily check if there's some *.deb files around
• 775[13:00:44] <Lope> there's a ton of .deb files built
• 776[13:00:55] <Lope> so I ran the apt commands in /
• 777[13:01:03] <Lope> and it littered my / with a whole lot of debs
• 778[13:01:05] <tarzeau> great, now install the relevant ones with dpkg -i, and run ldd /usr/bin/ffmpeg |grep -i nvenc :)
• 779[13:01:11] <tarzeau> if the last command returns something, SUCCESS
• 780[13:01:13] <Lope> and also made a ffmpeg-x.y.z dir
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• 782[13:01:28] <tarzeau> in the future do it in a debian/ subdir in your home or /usr/src :)
• 783[13:01:40] <Lope> Well, I searched the rules file for nvenc and it seems it failed to automagically enable nvenc
• 784[13:01:43] <tarzeau> well done (about running stuff in / ) :)
• 785[13:01:47] <Lope> so it looks like I need to recompile
• 786[13:01:52] <Lope> thanks :D
• 787[13:01:57] <tarzeau> what build system? cmake? ccmake is very helpful
• 788[13:02:10] <Lope> eh, whatever it automatically chose
• 789[13:02:14] <tarzeau> yeah, enjoy hacking debian source packages
• 790[13:02:15] <Lope> I just ran the apt -b thing.
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• 792[13:04:32] <Lope> tarzeau, can you please clarify why you told me to run debuild when apt -b already caused it to build?
• 793[13:04:42] <tarzeau> Lope: being curious do you know what music tapes are, and their relation to pencils?
• 794[13:04:46] <Lope> also what upload stuff it's talking about?
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• 796[13:05:02] <Lope> haha, pull the tape back in?
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• 798[13:05:10] <Lope> I'm a boomer, don't worry.
• 799[13:05:12] <tarzeau> Lope: no idea, because i'm old fashioned, and keep rerunning debuild until happy, and apt-get source or dget to get the source packages once before
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• 801[13:05:21] <Lope> Is that a boomer test
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• 803[13:05:30] * tarzeau checks dict boomer
• 804[13:05:35] <Lope> hahahaa
• 805[13:05:42] <Lope> you passed the boomer test with 5 stars.
• 806[13:05:47] <Lope> not knowing what a boomer is.
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• 808[13:06:04] <Lope> I lie, not a real boomer. inbetween though.
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• 810[13:06:15] <Lope> old enough to appreciate computers.
• 811[13:06:31] <Lope> young enough to be able to use them.
• 812[13:06:42] <Lope> no offence to old beards.
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• 815[13:07:38] <Lope> ratrace, tarzeau: do you know how to modify this to do march=native or whatever?
• 816[13:07:54] <Lope> I see the config has --arch=$(DEB_HOST_ARCH_CPU)
• 817[13:08:05] <ratrace> only on Gentoo :)
• 818[13:08:14] <Lope> replaced-url
• 819[13:08:27] <Lope> you 1337 bastard
• 820[13:09:46] <tarzeau> Lope: very much depends on which replaced-url
• 821[13:10:23] <tarzeau> oh it supports x265! cool
• 822[13:10:30] <tarzeau> still waiting for all the apps to support heif/heic...
• 823[13:10:31] <Lope> tarzeau, what?
• 824[13:10:41] <Lope> what supports x265?
• 825[13:10:43] <tarzeau> Lope: about where to put the -march=native
• 826[13:10:51] <Lope> oh yeah
• 827[13:10:55] <tarzeau> Lope: the codepad.org thing has --enable-libx265
• 828[13:10:59] <Lope> well my rules file got generated.
• 829[13:11:05] <Lope> replaced-url
• 830[13:11:10] <tarzeau> during build? extra fun with cherry on top
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• 832[13:11:17] <tarzeau> you can be glad it's not cdbs
• 833[13:11:25] <Lope> whats cdbs?
• 834[13:11:30] <tarzeau> !cdbs
• 835[13:11:30] <dpkg> [cdbs] Common Debian Build System, a build system for Debian packages based on Makefile inheritance. Located at replaced-url
• 836[13:11:41] <Lope> I'm going to re attempt this in a sane directory
• 837[13:11:44] <Lope> as non root this time lol.
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• 841[13:14:13] <Lope> tarzeau, fyi the instructions that you gave me earlier, you said to run `apt -b source ffmpeg`
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• 843[13:14:16] <Jari--> hi all
• 844[13:14:21] <Lope> but the -b makes it build immediately with defaults
• 845[13:14:25] <Lope> which is undesirable
• 846[13:14:37] <Lope> so if you leave off the -b you can configure the rules for the build.
• 847[13:15:28] <tarzeau> Lope: i certainly didn't
• 848[13:15:38] <tarzeau> Lope: dpkg did, i always use apt-get source or dget
• 849[13:15:56] <tarzeau> sometimes the -b rebuild is just right, but often it isn't
• 850[13:16:10] <Lope> tarzeau, okay I'm ready to build
• 851[13:16:14] <Lope> how should I kick it off?
• 852[13:16:16] <Lope> make -j 4?
• 853[13:16:21] <tarzeau> no, debuild
• 854[13:16:40] <Lope> command not found lol?
• 855[13:16:43] <tarzeau> if you run make -j 4, it'll just build it from source, debuild will also build it from source, but giving you shiny *.deb's
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• 857[13:16:58] <tarzeau> Lope: apt install devscripts
• 858[13:17:28] <Lope> tarzeau, I'm confused as to why I need devscripts when this thing managed to build without it with -b ?
• 859[13:17:52] <Lope> devscripts wants another metric fuckton of packages to be installed
• 860[13:17:56] <tarzeau> debuild is in devscripts, and maybe *it* is using dpkg-buildwhateverlong command which you have
• 861[13:18:09] <tarzeau> just install it, come on, debuild is what people use to build from source deb packages
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• 863[13:19:15] <Lope> tarzeau, ERROR: nvenc requested, but not all dependencies are satisfied: ffnvcodec
• 864[13:19:45] <tarzeau> Lope: replaced-url
• 865[13:20:13] <tarzeau> no idea, i've never had to mass rencode data with nvencode support... we use cuda for different things
• 866[13:20:37] <tarzeau> i've only mass reencoded wavs to mp3 with lame and gnu parallel (that's ahx wav renders)
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• 868[13:21:29] <Cymew> Brigo: Thanks for the additional suggestions. I think there's some kind of bug, as I really can't see sssd-common being triggerable by much else. We'll see if I can figure it out.
• 869[13:21:46] <Lope> tarzeau, some guide shows: debuild -us -uc -b
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• 871[13:22:27] <tarzeau> Lope: i just use debuild :)
• 872[13:22:34] <tarzeau> Lope: easier to remember, and it just works
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• 875[13:24:12] <Lope> tarzeau, do I need to do something with: replaced-url
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• 881[13:27:15] <tarzeau> Lope: i have no idea really :) you tell us
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• 884[13:30:20] <Lope> I think I figured some shit out... no, still failing.
• 885[13:30:52] <Lope> I've installed ffnvcodec
• 886[13:30:56] <Lope> but still getting same error :/
• 887[13:31:13] <Lope> ERROR: nvenc requested, but not all dependencies are satisfied: ffnvcodec
• 888[13:32:03] <Lope> oh finally, I found this: replaced-url
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• 897[13:38:40] <tarzeau> Lope: can you share your build directory via nginx and /var/replaced-url
• 898[13:38:59] <tarzeau> Lope: don't give up!
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• 908[13:46:08] <Lope> tarzeau, it seems when I run ./configure before debuild, it gets upset: error: aborting due to unexpected upstream changes, see /tmp/ffmpeg_...
• 909[13:46:17] <Lope> I've tried rm -rf the whole thing and redoing it a few times.
• 910[13:46:29] <Lope> It's surprised about some upstream changes or whatever?
• 911[13:46:38] <tarzeau> yeah :)
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• 913[13:46:59] <Lope> I'm going to try running ./configure without editing anything
• 914[13:47:03] <tarzeau> that's why you only do stuff in debian/* or there's a message about git and commit, you can run that and it ends up in debian/patches/WHATYOUNAMEIT
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• 916[13:47:36] <Lope> okay, a COMPLETELY fresh one fails as well.
• 917[13:48:01] <Lope> I literally deleted it all, then retried from a fresh source and didn't change a thing.
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• 919[13:48:41] <Lope> I'm going to try build it with apt
• 920[13:48:44] <Lope> instead of debuild
• 921[13:48:56] <Lope> since it worked previously.
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• 925[13:51:27] <Lope> okay so apt failed to build it cos it sees that I modified the rules file.
• 926[13:52:33] <Lope> tarzeau, this is what failed: dpkg-buildpackage -b -uc
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• 928[13:52:40] <Lope> I imagine -c is clean and that failed.
• 929[13:53:17] <Lope> oh, no. -uc is unsigned changes.
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• 932[13:53:58] <tarzeau> Lope: but it failed with what? share your buildlog
• 933[13:54:05] <Lope> okay, I'm going to try -nc which means no pre clean
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• 936[13:55:19] <Lope> gonna try something
• 937[13:55:56] <lt> I know vim is improved version of vi and it seems to be shipped with debian as two versions vim-common and vim-tiny .. I couldn't tell how to start normal vim? besides it appears there is a third version called vimdot!!! I have no clue what that is?
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• 941[13:58:20] <unixbsd> vim is bloatware
• 942[13:58:34] <unixbsd> you need to look at original vi or maybe elvis.
• 943[13:59:06] <unixbsd> there are many vi's... see #vi
• 944[14:00:03] <GNU\colossus> [13:58:20] <unixbsd> vim is bloatware - oh f* off.
• 945[14:00:17] <tarzeau> unixbsd: ed!
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• 948[14:00:27] <nevivurn> butterflies!
• 949[14:00:29] <tarzeau> dos had something called edlin, haha the fun
• 950[14:00:43] <GNU\colossus> edlin was my first ever editor. it was horrid.
• 951[14:00:56] <unixbsd> ed was an early, first editor historically. people used it.
• 952[14:01:22] <GNU\colossus> replaced-url
• 953[14:01:26] <unixbsd> edlin, ah yeah. did we have a source code? maybe it is on MS gitbu
• 954[14:01:34] <tarzeau> GNU\colossus: then i found norton commander, and later far(manager), now i use mc/mcedit/far2l :)
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• 956[14:02:21] <unixbsd> nc was really really amazing and so useful to install and to use DOS.
• 957[14:03:19] <azeem> there was a DOS port of netcat?
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• 962[14:06:10] <tarzeau> azeem: not sure about back then, but nowadays: replaced-url
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• 991[14:34:26] <Lope> tarzeau, figured it out methinks.
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• 995[14:39:08] <tarzeau> Lope: works?
• 996[14:39:34] <Lope> tarzeau, it compiled!
• 997[14:39:39] <Lope> tarzeau, is there a way to specify -march=native somehow with dpkg-buildpackage ?
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• 1000[14:41:17] <tarzeau> Lope: no, must go ino debian/rules or so
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• 1004[14:47:19] <gryffus> Hello, I would like to create a multi-OS bootable USB drive. In past, I was trying grub2-based approach, but I was not able to do it reliably. What approach do you use? I have discovered tools such as Rufus and unetbootin, but I am not sure which one is the best. Any hints? Thanks.
• 1005[14:47:53] <gryffus> Best would be a simple directory with iso files which I could choose upon booting
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• 1007[14:50:37] <leoni> gryffus, never tried that, what would be the purpose of it?
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• 1011[14:52:44] <gryffus> I would like to have a "rescue" flash drive with Windows and various Linux distribution. Maybe even VMWare ESXi rescue CD, IBM rescue CDs etc... And I don't want to format and/or reconfigure the USB drive each time new version or new distribution comes out.
• 1012[14:53:05] <gryffus> leoni, I have just discovered "Ventoy" , which seems to be exactly what I am looking for
• 1013[14:53:42] <leoni> Alright, go for it.
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• 1021[15:06:34] <jelly> gryffus: Akamai have a usb stick that does precisely that
• 1022[15:07:48] <jelly> it has two modes, one is usb-storage with a vfat file structure and put .iso images _as files_ there, second mode is usb-cd with that iso inserted and ready to boot
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• 1024[15:08:18] <Lope> jelly, thank god ur here, I need a debian apt expert :)
• 1025[15:08:53] <Lope> I've compiled ffmpeg from source using `apt source ...`
• 1026[15:08:59] <Lope> now I've got a bunch of .deb files
• 1027[15:09:11] <Lope> (about 20 .deb files for ffmpeg)
• 1028[15:09:20] <tarzeau> Lope: dpkg -i *.deb :)?
• 1029[15:09:23] <Lope> I've manually installed 3 of the .deb files and gotten what I need updated
• 1030[15:09:39] <Lope> tarzeau, I'm scared to do that. surely then I'llhave a problem when I apt upgrade?
• 1031[15:09:46] <tarzeau> drop the dbgsym ones
• 1032[15:09:50] <jelly> Lope: you probably want to make a quick local repo and add it to your sources.list
• 1033[15:09:58] <jelly> !own repo
• 1034[15:09:58] <dpkg> To feed your own packages into apt, you need to create a repository with a Packages file that lists the packages. If you only have a few packages and don't have very sophisticated requirements, you can use <dpkg-scanpackages>. If you want to be able add/remove packages using regular Debian tools like dput then try <reprepro> or mini-dinstall. See replaced-url
• 1035[15:10:24] <tarzeau> jelly: oh the poor man already had to learn building debian source packages today, now you want him to learn reprepro on the same day?
• 1036[15:10:28] <jelly> !dpkg-scanpackages
• 1037[15:10:28] <dpkg> methinks dpkg-scanpackages is a tool to make your own repository for apt: [1, as root] apt-get install dpkg-dev; [2, as user] mkdir -p ~/public_html/foo; cd ~/public_html/foo; [3] cp /your/packages.deb .; [4] dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null | gzip > Packages.gz; [5, as root] Add a deb line to your /etc/apt/sources.list: "deb replaced-url
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• 1039[15:10:43] <Lope> jelly, I'm not an apt pro, can you please give me specific advice of what to do :)
• 1040[15:11:07] <jelly> that factoid is missing some "it's okay to ignore gpg issues for this repo"
• 1041[15:11:18] <jelly> Lope: neither am I
• 1042[15:11:35] <Lope> I've compiled ffmpeg, if I try to `apt remove ffmpeg*` it then says a motherton of packages aren't needed, and I'm scared to agree to that because then my 20 ffmpeg .deb files might not work
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• 1044[15:11:51] <rander2> hello
• 1045[15:12:14] <Lope> jelly, currently, I've not `apt remove`'d anything. I've only installed 3 of the 20 deb packages that building ffmpeg produced.
• 1046[15:12:27] <Lope> and it's working, but I'm worried about what happens when I apt upgrade
• 1047[15:12:53] * jelly is actually not here and may come back in a couple hours
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• 1049[15:13:14] <Lope> jelly, when I run `dpkg -l | grep ffmpeg` I see ffmpeg is simply listed there like any package, with an ii marking.
• 1050[15:13:46] <Lope> Meaning that when I upgrade, the current version of ffmpeg (that I compiled) will simply be replaced by a newer pre-compiled version of ffmpeg
• 1051[15:13:57] <Lope> so I could optionally apt hold the ffmpeg at the current version
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• 1053[15:14:26] <Lope> or just recompile when I notice that I've got a new version of ffmpeg that lacks my adjustments
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• 1056[15:14:41] <Lope> but either way it seems like I don't need to worry too much?
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• 1061[15:20:09] <rander2> hello
• 1062[15:20:12] <rander2> replaced-url
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• 1064[15:20:41] <rander2> what is eth0:avahi ?
• 1065[15:21:03] <Lope> tarzeau, is reprepro a mechanism to automagically re-compile? if not then why bother?
• 1066[15:23:50] <jelly> Lope: it's just a tool to make apt repos.
• 1067[15:24:27] <jelly> I _think_ there was a tool to automagically recompile...
• 1068[15:24:41] <jelly> and grab from upstream and backport and stuff...
• 1069[15:24:45] <rander2> what stuff of interface is eth0:avahi ?
• 1070[15:24:52] <jelly> but the name escapes me. autodeb?
• 1071[15:25:30] <jelly> ,v autodeb
• 1072[15:25:31] <judd> No package named 'autodeb' was found in amd64.
• 1073[15:25:54] <tarzeau> apt-build orphaned since decades of years?
• 1074[15:25:56] <jelly> replaced-url
• 1075[15:26:12] <jelly> > autodeb tries to automatically update Debian packages to newer upstream versions or to backport them.
• 1076[15:26:12] <jelly> autodeb is the concretization Lucas Nussbaum's GSOC 2018 proposed project titled "Automatic Packages for Everything (backports, new upstream versions, etc.)".
• 1077[15:26:47] <jelly> apparently it couldn't build and upload itself to Debian!
• 1078[15:26:53] * jelly hides
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• 1080[15:28:57] <jelly> judd: bug rm autodeb
• 1081[15:29:00] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 1089[15:35:37] <Lope> I compiled obs-studio. Any ideas? replaced-url
• 1090[15:35:52] <Lope> can't install because a +b1 suffix was added to stuff
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• 1093[15:39:19] <tarzeau> Lope: --force-all
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• 1095[15:39:40] <tarzeau> or make your own version number bigger with epoch 1:real-version
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• 1098[15:41:20] <Lope> okay I figured it out, I hadn't noticed that there were libobs deb files that I didn't pass through to the dpkg -i. it installed now!
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• 1100[15:42:07] <tarzeau> Lope: it's faster now? cpu load staying down? (check with htop/nvtop)
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• 1102[15:45:29] <Lope> tarzeau, I was too scared to install *all* of the ffmpeg packages earlier. I only installed ffmpeg and the codec package and the libav package. then compiled obs-studio then installed all the obs-studio packages.
• 1103[15:45:45] <Lope> But obs-studio lacked the nvenc option.
• 1104[15:46:10] <Lope> I just realized that probably more ffmpeg .deb packages needed to be installed for obs to take the nvenc stuff
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• 1106[15:46:30] <Lope> so I said "yolo" installed all the ffmpeg packages and now obs is recompiling.
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• 1108[15:47:47] <tarzeau> Lope: lib+-dev packages are the ones needed for building compiled other packages (that's header files and libraries)
• 1109[15:48:32] <Lope> tarzeau, cool. well I've installed *ALL* of the ffmpeg packages and recompiled OBS. Still no nvenc showing up :/
• 1110[15:48:43] <tarzeau> Lope: share your buildlog?
• 1111[15:49:01] <Lope> ffmpeg -codecs | less
• 1112[15:49:06] <Lope> I've got nvenc there for sure.
• 1113[15:49:06] <tarzeau> Lope: obs-studio might have some options, if it's cmake, ccmake is very helpful, or also reading the building manual
• 1114[15:49:13] <Lope> but it's not in obs-studio
• 1115[15:49:21] <tarzeau> Lope: having a thing doesn't imply, it's touching/using it
• 1116[15:49:23] <Lope> okay, will have a look
• 1117[15:49:29] <Lope> for sure
• 1118[15:49:35] <Lope> I was hoping for automagic detection.
• 1119[15:49:44] <tarzeau> Lope: i've got a money-saving-pig, but it's write-only...
• 1120[15:49:51] <tarzeau> Lope: haha :) aren't we all
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• 1123[15:52:15] <Lope> tarzeau, well, the debian/control file inside obs lists libavcoded-dev as a build dep
• 1124[15:52:20] <Lope> surely that;s enough?
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• 1126[15:54:48] <tarzeau> Lope: if debuild builds it, and you have all it needs installed, yes. you can check in a clean environment with sbuild...
• 1127[15:55:46] <Lope> tarzeau, I deleted the obs stuff and got the source and built it from scratch
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• 1134[16:14:52] <Lope> oh, I see that my ffmpeg installation had an error. going to address that quick
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• 1143[16:31:11] <Lope> tarzeau, I had to delete a few of the ffmpeg packages that were causing ffmpeg to not install properly. then all the ffmpeg packages installed properly.
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• 1145[16:31:41] <Lope> Then I slayed and recompiled the obs source and installed it. then I got an error in the terminal that OBS couldn't find the nvidia encoder
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• 1147[16:31:52] <Lope> So I installed the nvidia encoder package and NOW IT WORKS!
• 1148[16:32:01] <Lope> woohoo. Well I mean it appears at least.
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• 1155[16:45:23] <Lope> I got nvenc encoder to show up in OBS, but when I try record with it. h264_nvenc "Driver does not support the required nvenc API version. Required: 11.0 Found: 10.0"
• 1156[16:45:29] <Lope> tarzeau, ^
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• 1162[16:53:47] <b1ack0p> hi you debdudes
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• 1165[16:55:19] <ratrace> gooby pls
• 1166[16:55:26] <Haohmaru> y u do dis
• 1167[16:55:35] <ratrace> spoderman?
• 1168[16:55:39] <Haohmaru> pls
• 1169[16:55:49] <ratrace> dolan kill?
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• 1171[16:56:23] <b1ack0p> does debian have a driver or a package for Intel HD Audio with AD1981HD codec ?
• 1172[16:56:41] <b1ack0p> it is sound card used in my old ibm thinkpad t60
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• 1174[16:56:55] <jelly> caaarl!
• 1175[16:57:03] <b1ack0p> i am having distorted-crackling sound
• 1176[16:57:22] <ratrace> jelly: that's a very old meem :)
• 1177[16:57:25] <jelly> b1ack0p: try lowering the master volume a bit
• 1178[16:57:33] <b1ack0p> how?
• 1179[16:57:40] <Haohmaru> are you playing death metal?
• 1180[16:57:41] <jelly> alsamixer
• 1181[16:58:07] <jelly> then F6, then pick the actual phyiscal card and not pulseaudio
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• 1183[16:58:09] <b1ack0p> how low for example?
• 1184[16:58:19] <jelly> 70% or 50% or -12dB
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• 1186[16:58:32] <b1ack0p> how to save it?
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• 1188[16:59:04] <jelly> IIRC it gets saved at shutdown / reboot
• 1189[16:59:37] <jelly> and there's a way to save it explicitely that I do not remember
• 1190[16:59:42] <ratrace> or check if pulseaudio brought master level above 100
• 1191[16:59:52] <ratrace> it saves itself when you exit alsamixer
• 1192[17:00:06] <b1ack0p> i doubt it
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• 1195[17:00:18] <ratrace> having done that a thousand times, I'm pretty sure it does.
• 1196[17:00:34] <b1ack0p> btw lowering master didnt help
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• 1198[17:01:28] <ratrace> I'd rather go through a pulseaudio panel and check if all the levels are at or below 100%
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• 1201[17:02:03] <jelly> ratrace: how can alsamixer ran as user save a global setting that gets loaded after reboot?
• 1202[17:02:10] <jelly> run* as user
• 1203[17:02:30] <ratrace> it saves into ~/
• 1204[17:02:36] <b1ack0p> they are 100 or below
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• 1206[17:02:45] <jelly> and when does that get loaded again?
• 1207[17:02:54] <ratrace> on login I s'pose
• 1208[17:03:00] <jelly> you s'pose?
• 1209[17:03:03] <ratrace> I s'pose
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• 1211[17:03:07] <b1ack0p> it is distorted since installation
• 1212[17:03:20] <b1ack0p> i tested on 3 different distros
• 1213[17:03:24] <b1ack0p> same with all
• 1214[17:03:26] <ratrace> nevertheless, th should be set via pulseaudio. the two are in sync but PA has greater control
• 1215[17:03:31] <ratrace> *that
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• 1218[17:04:04] <jelly> b1ack0p: is it distorted on built in speakers or on a headset or both?
• 1219[17:04:09] <b1ack0p> replaced-url
• 1220[17:04:21] <b1ack0p> jelly: built in speakers only
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• 1222[17:04:38] <b1ack0p> when i connect to bluetooth or external speaker it is fine
• 1223[17:04:42] <b1ack0p> also it is fine on windows
• 1224[17:04:47] <b1ack0p> just distorted in linux
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• 1227[17:05:45] <b1ack0p> in thinkwiki page i posted above it suggested that :
• 1228[17:05:49] <b1ack0p> > If you experience crackling noises, this can be avoided by adding the position_fix=2 optional argument for the module.
• 1229[17:06:11] <b1ack0p> i added position_fix=2 in /etc/modprobe.d/sound
• 1230[17:06:14] <b1ack0p> but didnt fix it
• 1231[17:06:26] <b1ack0p> i dont know what could be the problem
• 1232[17:07:17] <jelly> what does the line from that file look like?
• 1233[17:08:12] <jelly> b1ack0p: paste the whole line. Also, rename that conf file so it has a .conf at the end
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• 1237[17:08:56] <jelly> (if it's really called /etc/modprobe.d/sound and not /etc/modprobe.d/sound.conf, if it's the latter already, that's fine)
• 1238[17:08:59] <b1ack0p> jelly: it was empty file
• 1239[17:09:03] <b1ack0p> named just "sound"
• 1240[17:09:09] <b1ack0p> no .conf in the end
• 1241[17:09:35] <jelly> okay, rename it and tell us exactly what's inside now
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• 1243[17:09:41] <b1ack0p> i added just "position_fix=2" in empty "sound" file
• 1244[17:09:52] <b1ack0p> in "/etc/modprobe.d/sound"
• 1245[17:10:00] <b1ack0p> rename to sound.conf ?
• 1246[17:10:07] <jelly> that web page says to add it as an optin for the relevant kernel moduel
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• 1250[17:10:48] <jelly> if the module name is snd-hda-intel, you have to write something like this:
• 1251[17:11:08] <b1ack0p> how can i check what is the actual module?
• 1252[17:11:15] <jelly> options snd-hda-intel position_fix=2
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• 1255[17:12:25] <jelly> b1ack0p: you could check which snd- modules are loaded
• 1256[17:12:46] <jelly> lsmod|grep snd, or similar
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• 1260[17:14:21] <b1ack0p> jelly: replaced-url
• 1261[17:15:50] <jelly> b1ack0p: also that page says > HD Audio is supported by the snd-hda-intel kernel module
• 1262[17:16:13] <b1ack0p> so?
• 1263[17:16:32] <jelly> are you kidding me
• 1264[17:16:47] <b1ack0p> write this " options snd-hda-intel position_fix=2 " in " /etc/modprobe.d/sound " ?
• 1265[17:16:58] <jelly> no, in /etc/modprobe.d/sound.conf
• 1266[17:17:11] <b1ack0p> starting with "options" ?
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• 1268[17:17:37] <jelly> and verify the kernel understood and activated theat option after reboot
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• 1270[17:17:59] <jelly> b1ack0p: yes, look at other files in that directory
• 1271[17:18:03] <b1ack0p> there is no sound.conf file so i am creating now
• 1272[17:18:07] <b1ack0p> by adding that line
• 1273[17:18:35] <b1ack0p> # ls /etc/modprobe.d/
• 1274[17:18:36] <b1ack0p> dkms.conf sound sound.conf
• 1275[17:18:47] <b1ack0p> should i delete "sound" file?
• 1276[17:18:54] <jelly> yes
• 1277[17:19:14] <b1ack0p> deleted
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• 1279[17:19:21] <b1ack0p> now lets reboot
• 1280[17:19:24] <b1ack0p> brb
• 1281[17:19:33] <jelly> man modprobe.d -- also exists
• 1282[17:19:41] <gryffus> jelly, thanks, I am trying the Akamai usb stick and also the Ventoy. Will see what works better
• 1283[17:19:56] <jelly> gryffus: wait, are they selling it? :-)
• 1284[17:20:32] <jelly> it's a specific piece of hardware
• 1285[17:20:49] <gryffus> Don't think so. Ventoy is open-source and the Akamai is freely available under replaced-url
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• 1287[17:21:43] <gryffus> jelly, oh, I thought that it's only ISO that I can put on any USB drive. I don't feel like buying a hardware solution if even grub2 supports booting from iso.... So maybe for me Ventoy is the right tool :)
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• 1291[17:22:16] <jelly> gryffus: no, it's a specific weird stick that works like no other
• 1292[17:22:41] <gryffus> jelly, I see. Not interested in it then. I will use Ventoy.
• 1293[17:22:43] <jelly> they could sell it and make a buck, it's quite nice
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• 1295[17:23:30] <b1ack0p> jelly: nope
• 1296[17:23:33] <b1ack0p> didnt work
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• 1300[17:27:39] <b1ack0p> replaced-url
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• 1303[17:27:56] <b1ack0p> how to verify if kernel activates that?
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• 1305[17:29:21] <b1ack0p> also i am having these fails on dmesg : replaced-url
• 1306[17:29:27] <b1ack0p> i am not sure if they are also related with sound
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• 1312[17:31:59] <EdePopede> b1ack0p: i have my defaults on 80, using that hardware thingy to make it louder when needed
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• 1314[17:32:52] <jelly> b1ack0p: cat /sys/module/snd_hda_intel/parameters/position_fix probably
• 1315[17:33:26] <b1ack0p> $ cat /sys/module/snd_hda_intel/parameters/position_fix
• 1316[17:33:27] <b1ack0p> 2,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1,-1
• 1317[17:33:45] <b1ack0p> EdePopede: default of pulseaudio?
• 1318[17:33:49] <EdePopede> yep
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• 1320[17:34:08] <EdePopede> settings in the horrible piece of Gtk UI it comes with
• 1321[17:34:23] <EdePopede> btw, all -1 here
• 1322[17:34:36] <jelly> b1ack0p: that first 2 looks like it's set
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• 1324[17:35:00] <b1ack0p> why is it + while rest is - ?
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• 1326[17:35:09] <b1ack0p> also that didnt fix sound distortion..
• 1327[17:35:12] <EdePopede> i suppose -1 is <undef>
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• 1329[17:36:28] <b1ack0p> is it a bug?
• 1330[17:36:31] <b1ack0p> or driver issue?
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• 1335[17:37:52] <b1ack0p> i mean this sound issue....
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• 1337[17:38:42] <nemo> I've found the pulseaudio channel here on freenode pretty helpful w/ my config issues in past
• 1338[17:39:00] <jelly> b1ack0p: because you set it to 2 five minutes ago
• 1339[17:39:05] <nemo> (problems with bluetooth, buffer sizes, default devices, missing device recognition, that kinda thing)
• 1340[17:39:30] <b1ack0p> jelly: so wat? does it take years that debian recognises it? :p
• 1341[17:39:31] <jelly> -1 seems to mean "default" for many kernel module options that take an int as parameter
• 1342[17:40:04] <jelly> b1ack0p: it's more like the hardware is so old that other driver changes might have broken the support
• 1343[17:40:56] <b1ack0p> i just read that somebody with same laptop doesnt have that issue with arch/fedora..
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• 1345[17:41:45] <jelly> b1ack0p: my 2005 Thinkpad Z60m used a similar or the same chipset, it had worked reasonably well 2005-2011 or so
• 1346[17:42:25] <b1ack0p> maybe problem is ATI radeon x1400 support with linux
• 1347[17:42:33] <jelly> has more problems with intel gpu than with audio, until audio died
• 1348[17:42:39] <jelly> had*
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• 1350[17:42:41] <b1ack0p> i am also having graphical distortion
• 1351[17:42:51] <b1ack0p> with gnome
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• 1369[18:00:50] <Franciman> Hi
• 1370[18:01:23] <Franciman> jelly, sorry I lost the link, where does debian have the git repo for the kernel?
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• 1373[18:02:04] <Franciman> replaced-url
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• 1379[18:04:34] <Franciman> nvm, found
• 1380[18:04:35] <Franciman> thanks
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• 1383[18:06:28] <rendar> i have to install tk-dev which depends on X11, so 200Mb of X11 behemot to install. How can i properly delete X11, after this installation?
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• 1413[18:44:32] <zerocool> who still uses `service` vs `systemctl` to restart services
• 1414[18:44:43] * jelly raises hand
• 1415[18:44:55] <sney> sometimes, though I'm gradually switching
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• 1417[18:45:14] <jelly> I have systems running Debian 6 - 10, RHEL or CentOS 5 - 8
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• 1419[18:46:05] <jelly> can't be bothered to remember where I can and where I can't run systemctl, so I don't do it anywhere
• 1420[18:46:35] <NetTerminalGene> jelly: why do you have a lot system?
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• 1422[18:48:37] <jelly> NetTerminalGene: because it's less expensive in the short term than to replace them
• 1423[18:49:13] <Lope> tarzeau, I got nv-codec-headers sdk/10.0, deleted the source for ffmpeg, downloaded it fresh, added --enable-nvenc to ffmpeg's rules file, compiled ffmpeg, installed ffmpeg. deleted and re-downloaded source for OBS, compiled and installed. Now when I try to record with NvEnc instead of the error saying: Driver does not support the required nvenc API version. Required: 11.0 Found: 10.0 ... now it says h264_nvenc @ 0x...] dl_fn->cuda_dl->cuInit(0) failed ->
• 1424[18:49:13] <Lope> CUDA_ERROR_UNKNOWN: unknown error. warning: [NVENC encoder: 'simple_h264_stream'] Failed to open NVENC codec: Unknown error occurred
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• 1427[18:52:23] <Lope> found the cause: the linux 5.9 kernel with nvidia has broken nvenc! hahahahahahahh gotta have a good sense of humour after hours of debugging to smash into a wall like this. replaced-url
• 1428[18:52:38] <Lope> That's linux. You might not get shit working, but you'll learn a lot!
• 1429[18:53:49] <sney> yes, that's a known issue. use 5.8 for now if you need nvidia's cuda/opencl features.
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• 1431[18:54:25] <sney> nvidia claimed they would have a fixed driver last month; it must need more work than they projected.
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• 1446[19:09:22] <Lope> ill be back in ~45 mins at least
• 1447[19:09:26] <Lope> Thanks so much sney!
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• 1526[20:20:20] <lnxslck> dob1: on the source path
• 1527[20:20:33] <dob1> lnxslck, yes
• 1528[20:21:13] <dob1> lnxslck, if there is any dir called foobar on source path, subdir sub-sub-dir etc etc, it will be ignored, this is what I suppose
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• 1533[20:26:52] <lnxslck> yeah, I think so
• 1534[20:26:56] <lnxslck> you can test it also
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• 1567[20:55:26] <trysten> I crashed my box building a meteor project in a docker container. Any tips to keep docker from eating all ram? How do I keep the machine accessible when a process goes rogue like that?
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• 1586[21:04:36] <ploxiln> trysten: docker run --memory <limit-bytes> ...
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• 1595[21:07:14] <ploxiln> ideally the kernel OOM killer would kill the guilty processes inside the container ... but it has never been completely satisfactory. there are some user-space alternatives like "oomd"
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• 1597[21:09:56] <Lope> do you guys know how to pass a param to the configure script of a package when I compile it with dpkg-buildpackage ?
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• 1599[21:10:08] <Lope> I'm looking through the debhelper man page but it's not clear to me.
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• 1611[21:18:31] <crazed> hi all. apologies if this is off topic, but it somehow feels relevant.. in case anyone missed it, IBM killed off CentOS. couple of threads: replaced-url
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• 1616[21:20:56] <sney> suddenly, a new wave of debian users complaining that the packages aren't old enough, after migrating from centos
• 1617[21:21:21] <ratrace> I felt a great disturbance in the Hosting industry, as if millions of servers suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly switched to Ubuntu.
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• 1619[21:22:00] <another> ratrace: lul
• 1620[21:22:15] <another> is centos generally older than deb?
• 1621[21:22:33] <sney> support periods are longer (or were) so a centos system in the wild is usually pretty crusty
• 1622[21:22:39] <ratrace> the distro is younger. the packages are frozen and kept that way for 10+ years
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• 1627[21:25:02] <another> that's.... a long, long time
• 1628[21:25:23] <another> (in a datacenter far, far away...)
• 1629[21:25:30] <ratrace> nah. in enterprise that's barely out of "Okay this is now tested. Phew. Full on product..... owait, what? another upgrade in two years coming up?!"
• 1630[21:25:46] <ratrace> (8 years into release)
• 1631[21:26:01] <Lope> I found how to give custom parameters to a configure script with dpkg-buildpackage... by using the line override_dh_auto_configure
• 1632[21:26:29] <Lope> however the debian/rules file that I want to modify already contains some stuff and I don't know how to add my own sauce to it.
• 1633[21:26:44] <Lope> The rules file already has: override_dh_auto_configure: $(patsubst %,configure_%,$(FLAVORS))
• 1634[21:26:57] <Lope> and I want to add --foo --bar to the configure script.
• 1635[21:27:47] <Lope> If I try running `patsubst %,configure_%,$(FLAVORS)` in the dir, I get nothing
• 1636[21:27:56] <Lope> it's clearly a function and a variable
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• 1639[21:29:57] <Lope> okay, patsubst is just a word search replace
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• 1642[21:32:23] <crazed> Lope: try this replaced-url
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• 1646[21:34:12] <Lope> crazed, thanks, I've seen examples like that, but what about the other options?
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• 1649[21:34:22] <Lope> But that's a good reminder to put --, will try that!
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• 1654[21:35:18] <Lope> ah! looks like it worked!!!
• 1655[21:35:35] <Lope> oh, no. Crashed again
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• 1657[21:35:55] <Lope> dh -- --with pkgkde_symbolshelper
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• 1659[21:36:04] <Lope> dh: error: Unknown sequence -- (options should not come before the sequence)
• 1660[21:36:08] <Lope> meh
• 1661[21:36:13] <Lope> I'll paste the line
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• 1663[21:36:34] <Lope> override_dh_auto_configure: $(patsubst %,configure_%,$(FLAVORS)) -- --enable-nvenc
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• 1669[21:39:40] <crazed> check out example: replaced-url
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• 1673[21:42:23] <Lope> thanks crazed I've checked that manual, but still can't see how to do it
• 1674[21:42:42] <Lope> how my custom config options can coexist with what's already on the line
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• 1683[21:45:37] <Lope> even if I just append ' --' to the line, it complains: dh: error: Unknown sequence -- (options should not come before the sequence)
• 1684[21:45:55] <Emil> Hi
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• 1686[21:46:18] <crazed> related error: replaced-url
• 1687[21:46:28] <crazed> hi
• 1688[21:46:32] <Emil> Would anyone happen to know how to set a per user sudo timeout_timestamp option but preserve the default?
• 1689[21:46:51] <Emil> Like if default is 0, I'd like another user to have some other timeout
• 1690[21:46:59] <Emil> timestamp_timeout*
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• 1693[21:53:08] <Lope> crazed, thanks bud. I hacked it. got it working.
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• 1721[22:13:27] <relipse> how do i take a diff and process it creating new files (and new directories) and ignoring modifications and binary files
• 1722[22:13:58] <relipse> i tried git apply <diff>
• 1723[22:14:02] <relipse> but I'm getting errors
• 1724[22:14:14] <greycat> you read "man diff" and "man patch" until you find the option you want, either to suppress the creation of the patch snippet with diffs in it, or to suppress the creation of new files by patch
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• 1727[22:14:40] <greycat> or you ask yourself, "Self, why am I trying to do this completely INSANE thing?"
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• 1729[22:15:18] <greycat> as a last resort, if you can't find the option in either patch or diff, you edit the patch yourself and remove all the hunks that apply changes to existing files
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• 1732[22:15:38] <greycat> I still think this is so bizarre that it has to be an
• 1733[22:15:40] <greycat> !xy
• 1734[22:15:40] <dpkg> Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See replaced-url
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• 1737[22:17:24] <relipse> Ok here is the deal, we have 2 repositories moodle and foobar , foobar contains all of moodle, so I wanted to get a directory or repo of all the files added in foobar that are obviously not in moodle
• 1738[22:18:37] <KNERD> I got something trying to make a connection to a remote server based on looking at TCP dump. What can I use to determine which application/process is making those connection attempts?
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• 1740[22:20:18] <greycat> Generate a list of files in each directory, relative to the root of the directory, and sorted. Then use replaced-url
• 1741[22:21:00] <gnat_x> KNERD: google.
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• 1743[22:21:22] <KNERD> gnat_x: yeah, if it was that easy I would not be asking here
• 1744[22:21:27] <KNERD> BLOCKED
• 1745[22:21:37] <greycat> what.. the actual... fuck...
• 1746[22:21:40] <gnat_x> KNERD: assuming you're already looking at the traffic in Wireshark or something... look at what port it is using, protocol etc.
• 1747[22:21:58] <KNERD> duh...i have done all that
• 1748[22:22:09] <KNERD> but it is not telling me WHICH application is doing it
• 1749[22:22:13] <gnat_x> KNERD: sorry, lots of people haven't done all that before getting here.
• 1750[22:22:25] <gnat_x> don't mean to offend, just making sure we're that far along.
• 1751[22:22:27] <LtL> KNERD: try 'ss -tulap'
• 1752[22:22:48] <greycat> Why would you *expect* that you can identify the client from its network communications alone?
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• 1755[22:23:20] <greycat> Unless the client puts identifying information in the packets it sends... in which case googling those unique strings *is* a valid answer.
• 1756[22:23:28] <KNERD> LtL: that shows only actual eastblished connections. This is attempting to connect
• 1757[22:23:50] <LtL> KNERD: firewall logs
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• 1759[22:25:17] <KNERD> from tcp dump -> > 54.203.112.76.443: Flags [S], cksum 0xff5a (incorrect -> 0x16aa), seq 1680381882, win 64240, options [mss 1460,sackOK,TS val 4043282464 ecr 0,nop,wscale 7], length 0
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• 1761[22:26:07] <greycat> So it's port 443, which means it's probably encrypted, which means you can't see the payload of the packets, which means how on earth are you expecting to identify the user-agent? Unless the user-agent identifies itself to your web server, which logs it.
• 1762[22:26:21] <KNERD> it's going OUT
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• 1765[22:27:02] <greycat> OH, that changes a lot. If the process lives long enough, you can see which process it is, in ss or netstat.
• 1766[22:27:29] <greycat> Gotta run 'em as root to be able to see the processes.
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• 1769[22:30:15] <aminvakil> i had a problem few years ago: replaced-url
• 1770[22:30:38] <KNERD> it seems netstat and ss only showing actual LISTENING and ESTABLISHED connections. Nothing for TRYING to make an outgoing connection
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• 1772[22:30:58] <greycat> so it's not *actually* connecting? uh...
• 1773[22:31:10] <KNERD> no, it just keeps trying to connect
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• 1775[22:31:22] <KNERD> which is the IP address of the main Slack.com web site
• 1776[22:31:59] <KNERD> It's just a headless server, so I see no reason for it to be connecting to Slack.com
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• 1784[22:36:23] <sney> aminvakil: not enough info for an authoritative answer, but the openssh .deb was probably mangled somehow. random connection reset during download, mirror wasn't fully synchronized, filesystem issues, etc and so on.
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• 1787[22:38:19] <aminvakil> sney maybe random connection reset then, afterwards I hadn't any problem with system. Thanks!
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• 1793[22:40:35] <tarzeau> Lope: could be related to cuda version 10 vs 11?
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• 1796[22:40:57] <tarzeau> Lope: just use 5.8 kernel or older?
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• 1799[22:41:10] <unixbsd> hello, which light and fast programm allows to see JPGs in a thumbnail? Rox (thumbnail), which more please? thank you
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• 1809[22:49:12] <KNERD> okay found it via the firewall logs so LtL got it
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• 1811[22:49:48] <KNERD> thanks for all the hep hints and tip
• 1812[22:50:31] <KNERD> unixbsd: the default file manager tends to do that
• 1813[22:50:59] <unixbsd> I found xfe to be small, but I need bit larger thumbnail. rox-filer is too too small
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• 1826[22:56:33] <mexen_android> Has anyone here migrated from centos to Debian? I would love to know your experience! Thanks.
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• 1831[22:58:24] <ploxiln> unixbsd: try geeqie
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• 1869[23:25:46] <Lope> tarzeau, I got it working bud, thanks
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• 1887[23:40:07] <dob1> for error I entered mv /path/to/file* no more, what I did?
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• 1889[23:40:49] <dob1> It gives me no errors, so something changed/happened
• 1890[23:40:53] <dob1> *gave
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• 1895[23:45:46] <dvs> no destination?
• 1896[23:47:26] <dob1> no
• 1897[23:47:52] <dob1> but there were 2 files in src dir, I was going to move them but I miss the dest
• 1898[23:47:59] <dob1> so the * will match 2 files
• 1899[23:48:23] <dvs> dob1: then the second file has the contents of the first.
• 1900[23:48:39] <dob1> it expanded them ?
• 1901[23:48:44] <dvs> yes
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• 1903[23:48:53] <dob1> and if they were 3 ?
• 1904[23:49:11] <dvs> you'd get an error because the third is probably not a directory.
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• 1907[23:50:09] <dob1> and why mv /path/to/some/file* dest works ? it doesn't expand in this case?
• 1908[23:50:54] <dob1> considering there are more than 1 file that match in source /path/to/some/file*
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• 1913[23:56:24] <dob1> nevermind, too late for me
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