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28 [00:17:55] <rant> that'd be ¿hablas
inglés? unless you were being formal then it'd be
¿habla usted inglés?
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30 [00:19:05] <Brigo> rant, right
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38 [00:28:06] <bletch_> hi, why can I not find this package
anywhere?
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40 [00:28:57] <themill> If it's still listed in NEW then
it's still in NEW
41 [00:29:00] <RoyK> rant: what is that "usted" bit?
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43 [00:29:31] <bletch_> themill: where is NEW, and can I get it
anywhere? I can't find it in experimental either.
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46 [00:30:14] <themill> no
47 [00:30:29] <rant> RoyK: its a formal "you" tu/usted
mean the same thing its just a matter of formality and conjugation
of the verb. Usted form is same as el/ella
48 [00:31:16] <bletch_> Oh, I see how it is now, guess it's
a timely process then. Thanks themill, I've never seen the
NewQueue stuff before.
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51 [00:33:24] <rant> just figured I'd mention it since
channel was slow and its horribly gramatically incorrect to say
"habla inglese?" cause there is no ¿, inglese
isn't a word, and usted generally isnt implied like tu, else it
wouldnt be quite formal.. so the verb was cojugated wrong :P
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54 [00:35:40] <afidegnum> hi, can anyone please explain this
traffic ? using nethogs, this is what i m getting
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57 [00:36:37] <rant> afidegnum: you may be better served in a
networking channel like ##networking for a question of that nature
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90 [01:06:28] <msiism> the standard ~/.bashrc file in debian has
a case statement at the beginning that is apprently there to prevent
the file from being read when bash is not run interactively. but why
would this be needed when ~/.bashrc is defined as "the
individual per-interactive-shell startup file" (man bash)?
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97 [01:08:23] <msiism> also, if i understand those 3 lines
right, they won't have any effect whatsoever.
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99 [01:08:35] <msiism> s/3/4
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108 [01:13:40] <msiism> ok, 'return' exists a script if
it is sourced, i see. so, it does have an effect. but why is it
needed?
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110 [01:13:52] <msiism> s/exists/exits
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127 [01:27:20] <msiism> ok, question answered:
replaced-url
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145 [01:36:43] <Kurogane> how i can delete a directory via ftp
cli?
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149 [01:39:34] <rant> Kurogane: rmdir
150 [01:39:40] <rant> Kurogane: man ftp
151 [01:40:14] <Kurogane> yes but give me this error: 550
Can't remove directory: Directory not empty
152 [01:40:26] <rant> imagine that
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154 [01:40:55] <Kurogane> ?
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213 [02:17:44] <catz> Hello, is there a way to mount and access
my LUKS crypted HD via caja/nautilus as normal user in i3? when i
enter my password it says not authorized to perform operation. in
mate it's just working fine.
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219 [02:21:59] <craftyguy> has anyone had issues with the past
few weekly netinst testing ISOs when trying to load e1000, igb, and
igbe (and probably other ethernet) drivers? I get a 'unknown
symbol refcount_inc'
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221 [02:25:41] <rant> catz: not sure which piece is responsible
for this but I know the mate/gnome-settings-daemon is responsible
for things like icon themes and such, and it probably relies on
gvfsd for various things. if you're going to use a filemanager
from a more bloated DE you gotta run the support applications it
needs to work
222 [02:26:23] <rant> catz: try starting those things, see what
happens, and if need be add them to your session
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234 [02:34:15] <catz> rant: thanks, i started
mate-settings-daemon but still the same issue. i would rather not
use caja though, do you know a filebrowser that can mount and access
the hd as normal user?
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265 [02:57:00] <rant> catz: no, I dont.. of the two things I
mentioned you only tried the one less likely to have anything to do
with your issue :P
266 [02:57:20] <rant> gvfsd is for managing filesystems
267 [02:57:57] <rant> catz: any filemanager would need some sort
of backend to handle this sort of thing
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288 [03:11:17] <catz> rant: gvfsd was already running
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299 [03:19:42] <queso> Does Debian support WQHD displays?
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476 [05:20:40] <heston> hello, not sure if for what it's
worth but the solution to getting xfce to stop locking me out of my
computer with a blank screen is to replace light-locker with
xscreensaver
477 [05:21:14] <deicide-> my laptop
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479 [05:21:23] <deicide-> doesn't get into screensaver
480 [05:21:37] <heston> are you running xfce?
481 [05:21:43] <deicide-> i think
482 [05:21:49] <deicide-> ye
483 [05:21:55] <Sveta> heston, i think there is a config utility
for lightdm
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485 [05:22:07] <heston> xscreensaver was removed as the default
for lightdm in stretch
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487 [05:22:25] <heston> there isnt a screensaver installed unless
you install one
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489 [05:23:16] <deicide-> which screensaver is recommended to
install
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492 [05:23:21] <heston> Sveta, what would I do with the config
utility? light-locker was failing randomly
493 [05:23:39] <deicide-> thing is, it doesn't even get into
locking screen unless i close the lid
494 [05:23:41] <heston> deicide-, xscreensaver isnt very pretty
but it does the job well
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496 [05:23:50] <deicide-> i just need black screen
497 [05:23:59] <Sveta> heston: oh i didn't know it was
random
498 [05:24:01] <Sveta> heston: in this case i'd report a bug
to the distribution as a matter of urgency
499 [05:24:03] <heston> then just change your power saving
settings
500 [05:24:09] <deicide-> i did
501 [05:24:14] <deicide-> its still not working
502 [05:24:30] <Pusteblume> hello, how can i download (not
install) a package including its dependencies?
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506 [05:25:01] <heston> deicide-, where did you change them?
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510 [05:25:59] <heston> when i mean xfce was locking me out with
a blank screen was that it was impossible to get my screen back up
and you can't change ttys
511 [05:26:43] <heston> sometimes it would work, other times not
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617 [06:36:55] <deicide-> oh fucking great now it suspends the
system when watching a stream
618 [06:37:17] <deicide-> apparently watching video is inactivity
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621 [06:37:51] <Sveta> i have this issue with kde, it starts
showing a black screen in the middle of a youtube
622 [06:38:09] <Sveta> but i didn't investigate screensaver
properties or what screensaver i'm using - once this is done, a
bug may be reported
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628 [06:40:10] <deicide-> shit like this is why i hate linux
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631 [06:41:47] <jak2000> strange, why:
replaced-url
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680 [07:33:29] <deicide-> how do i stop it from charging? like
having charge threshold
681 [07:33:41] <deicide-> i had it work and all of a sudden it
doesn't work anymore
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774 [08:59:20] <dadabidet> how do I find the css gtk properties
related to menu and bar size etc?
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877 [09:42:38] <michael2> I keep getting this error when
connecting to bluetooth: "Connection Failed:
blueman.bluez.errors.DBusFailedError: Protocol not
available..." and here is output of `systemctl restart
bluetooth.service'
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897 [09:49:56] <FightingFalcon> hi, how could i add
ppa:ondrej/php repository directly to the sources.list file?
898 [09:50:40] <michael2> you need to url to the repo and the
archive you want
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900 [09:50:59] <michael2> you need the url I mean
901 [09:51:05] <FightingFalcon> yes, whats the url?
902 [09:51:27] <Fox> FightingFalcon: are you using debian or
ubuntu ? ppa is for ubuntu
903 [09:51:34] <FightingFalcon> debian
904 [09:52:39] <FightingFalcon> i need to install php7.2-fpm
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906 [09:53:19] <Fox> what version of debian ? strech ?
907 [09:53:21] <FightingFalcon> yes
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909 [09:54:02] <Fox> echo "deb
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910 [09:54:10] <Fox> as root, or via sudo
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912 [09:54:28] <FightingFalcon> could i add this directly to
sources.list file in the main folder?
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914 [09:54:54] <Fox> sure you can, I just like to separate stuff,
but you can do as you want
915 [09:54:58] <FightingFalcon> thank you
916 [09:55:10] <Fox> you're welcome
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918 [09:56:01] <Aebian> can someone give me an example of how I
can run a command after su - <user> ? The problem here is that
the command will only be found after the user's profile has
loaded specific variables
919 [09:56:41] <Sveta> Aebian, read 'man su', does it
have an option to transfer the user's current env vars to the
command?
920 [09:56:43] <Fox> Aebian: do you have a specific example that
does not work ?
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923 [09:57:59] <michael2> does anyone know the command to check
if there are any packages whose dependencies are not resolved?
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929 [09:59:06] <Aebian> Fox: yes, I tried ``su - otadmin -c
'dsclient localhost dsadmin dsadmin' // So the command is
dsclient with three arguments
930 [09:59:25] <Aebian> Sveta: I will check
931 [09:59:26] <Fox> Aebian: and the output of the command is ?
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933 [10:01:02] <Aebian>
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934 [10:01:05] <Fox> michael2: I usually "dpkg -l | grep -v
^ii"
935 [10:01:06] <Aebian> command not found
936 [10:01:15] <Aebian> and I don't even get user switched
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938 [10:01:35] <FightingFalcon> Fox, the latest version of Curl
is 7.6 but debian package provides 7.52 only. Do you know the
repository address to 7.6?
939 [10:02:08] <michael2> Fox: thanks
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941 [10:02:35] <michael2> FightingFalcon: why dont you install
from debian repository?
942 [10:02:41] <Fox> Aebian: you should read the man as said by
Sveta, specially the part that talks about ENV_PATH
943 [10:02:43] <FightingFalcon> older version
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948 [10:04:20] <Fox> FightingFalcon: no, sorry
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953 [10:07:53] <Aebian> I'm looking at it but I don't
understand. Can take -p (or -m) arugments to link to an existing
.profile or similiar? Because the man-page tells that the parameter
resets the variables or preserves the variables of the current user
session
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999 [10:54:02] <Aebian> I even tried to use a sleep before the
actual command but also then it is not working. Also tried the -l
(LOGIN) option but normale just - should do the trick
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1001 [10:56:40] <jelly> FightingFalcon: do you _need_ curl 7.60 ?
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1003 [10:56:49] <Fox> Aebian: did you try su -m user -c command ?
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1008 [11:02:12] <FightingFalcon> thanks, i've installed it
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1010 [11:03:27] <Aebian> Fox: yes,
replaced-url
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1013 [11:05:26] <Fox> Aebian: in fact I don't know what
dsclient is, are you sure you're not trying to execute dhclient
?
1014 [11:05:45] <Fox> oh, it's for AD
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1016 [11:06:41] <Fox> Aebian: what does `type dsclient` say ?
1017 [11:07:28] <Aebian> yes, dsclient is correct -->
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1019 [11:08:04] <Aebian> but that program is not part of /usr/bin
or generally /bin. Thats why the user .profile needs to be loaded
first
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1021 [11:08:32] <Fox> maybe you should just copy/paste the result
here 11:03 Aebian: Fox: yes,
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1022 [11:08:33] <Aebian> so the ENV variable will be set so it is
in fact in the PATH variable and recognized by the user
1023 [11:08:37] <Fox> 11:04 --- debhelper sets modes [#debian +l
1607] AfroThun~
1024 [11:08:40] <Fox> 11:05 Fox: Aebian: in fact I don't know
what dsclient is, are you sure you're not trying to execute
dhclient ? afx237
1025 [11:08:43] <Fox> oh, sorry...
1026 [11:09:09] <Fox> just c/c here
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1027 [11:09:28] <Fox> NXclient is such a pita sometimes...
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1029 [11:11:05] <Aebian>
replaced-url
1030 [11:11:18] <Aebian> well there you go if thats what you are
looking for
1031 [11:11:20] <Fox> ok
1032 [11:12:43] <Fox> su - otadmin -c "source ~/.profile
&& dsclient localhost dsadmin dsadmin"
1033 [11:13:09] <Aebian>
replaced-url
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1035 [11:13:27] <Fox> or su - otadmin -c
"/sw/OT/AC_16.2.0/bin/dsclient localhost dsadmin dsadmin"
1036 [11:13:35] <Aebian> bingo
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1038 [11:13:38] <Aebian> su - otadmin -c "source ~/.profile
&& dsclient localhost dsadmin dsadmin"
1039 [11:13:39] <Aebian> works
1040 [11:13:57] <Fox> I'm sure there's a better
solution, but a least it works
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1043 [11:14:59] <Aebian> well the profile will be loaded soo thats
fine. Thats an acceptable workaround
1044 [11:15:16] <Aebian> never tought about sourcing the .profile
manually lol
1045 [11:15:52] <jelly> which login shell does "otadmin"
user have?
1046 [11:16:45] <jelly> perhaps that shell does not use .profile
1047 [11:17:10] <Aebian> it has the z-shell and that .zshrc
sources the .profile
1048 [11:18:16] <Aebian>
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1049 [11:18:17] <jelly> you should probably read the manual and
put env. vars in .zshenv
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1053 [11:20:39] <jelly> and perhaps avoid customizing shells for
users that run services
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1059 [11:23:15] <SeductiveShark> Hi, I ordered a couple of
ancients laptops, because I have no life and nobody to spend it on,
one of them, a Dell Inspiron 510m has (I *think), an Intel Extreme
Graphics 2 iGPU.... I was wondering... would Debian's X.org
serer and/or Mesa work with this card?
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1063 [11:24:43] <pingfloyd> do they do color?
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1065 [11:25:46] <Aebian> our Installation guide even refers to ksh
instead of bash so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I know that .zshenv should
be filled with env variables but our software is only familiar with
ksh or bash and takes arguments from the .profile ^^ So I just
sourced it since for some reason ksh does not have a command history
and instead creates chars like [^A or similiar
1066 [11:25:58] <SeductiveShark> Pretty sure it does color, as the
Intel Extreme G 2 could run Halo 1/Combat Evolved on XP back in the
day
1067 [11:26:09] <Aebian> and even then, its just a test system so
no critical action there
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1074 [11:27:10] <JyZyXEL> how does one get log output from a
custom initramfs-tools hook?
1075 [11:27:42] <SeductiveShark> Ah. I've checked
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1076 [11:27:52] <SeductiveShark> Intel 855GM is supported it seems
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1078 [11:28:08] <BanHammor> whether it will be fast is
anyone's guess at this point
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1080 [11:28:34] <BanHammor> I remember running Cinnamon on
pentium-3-800, it wasn't fun.
1081 [11:28:47] <SeductiveShark> I'm pretty sure it'll
be fast enough for TWM, BanHammor :P
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1088 [11:31:33] <BanHammor> sure. You might have some slowdowns
with modern browsers and websites, modern creative software, etc too
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1096 [11:34:46] <SeductiveShark> lynx, irrsi, rtorrent, vim, mc,
gdebi, sc, mplayer, wicd-curses, nethack
1097 [11:34:55] <SeductiveShark> I'll be okay BanHammor :P
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1101 [11:36:44] <SeductiveShark> Oh.. htop, jnettop and iotop too
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1103 [11:38:46] <p0g0_> fwiw,swapping in a SSD for the HD in old
laptops helps the terrapin speed issues a little.
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1105 [11:39:43] <SeductiveShark> p0g0_, hold on while I save $200
for a PATA SSD
1106 [11:39:44] <SeductiveShark> Lol
1107 [11:40:29] <p0g0_> eh, less than half that, but yes, they do
cost $.
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1149 [12:09:58] <FinalX> p0g0_: the other guy left already, but
kingspec has pretty good and cheap pata ssd's (ebay) :)
it's far less than "half that", more like a quarter
or less :)
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1199 [12:46:04] <Plasmoduck> I'm trying to remember the name
of this software I used to use, it's CLI based and runs in a
TTY console. It's a system monitor software that show all kinds
of sysinfo like cpu info, ram, hdd, processes, network traffic etc.
Anyone know what I'm talking about?
1200 [12:46:25] <Plasmoduck> I think it might be glances?
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1203 [12:49:14] <petn-randall> Plasmoduck: 'atop' maybe?
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1213 [12:57:42] <deicide-> how do i keep debian from going to
sleep when i'm watching stuff
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1215 [12:58:03] <petn-randall> deicide-: Which DE are you using?
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1217 [13:01:27] <deicide-> de?
1218 [13:01:32] <Plasmoduck> petn-randall: nah, it was glances.
Love this app
1219 [13:01:46] <Plasmoduck> petn-randall: you ever seen/used it?
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1222 [13:02:20] <petn-randall> Plasmoduck: Not yet, will test it,
though.
1223 [13:02:21] <Plasmoduck> It's Curses-based
1224 [13:02:27] <petn-randall> deicide-: Desktop environment
1225 [13:03:35] <Plasmoduck> petn-randall:
replaced-url
1226 [13:03:38] <deicide-> xfe
1227 [13:04:01] <[E]sc> I'm running debian stretch and was
playing urbanterror. unfortunately, the computer crashed while
playing and now won't display anything on the monitor even
after a reboot. i'm curious, since i'm currently strapped
for cash, what's the likely hood it was the GPU that's
causing this? i've tried removing and reseating the RAM,
monitor was tested already. the keyboard lights up, and there's
one beep but nothing on the monitor.
1228 [13:04:52] <petn-randall> [E]sc: Could be the GPU died. Does
the BIOS come up?
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1230 [13:05:10] <deicide-> xfce*
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1235 [13:07:46] <[E]sc> petn-randall, sadly nothing shows up on
the monitor,..so i'm hoping it's something that won't
cost me too much to diagnose since i don't have any spare parts
to test with.
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1237 [13:09:40] <petn-randall> deicide-: In that case you can
either turn it off permanently in Settings -> Power Manager /
Screensaver. Or install "caffeine", that just blocks the
screensaver if something is running fullscreen.
1238 [13:10:12] <deicide-> but i need screensaver
1239 [13:10:35] <deicide-> just not when i watch stuff
1240 [13:10:49] <petn-randall> deicide-: Then use
"caffeine".
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1250 [13:18:33] <petn-randall> Plasmoduck: Ah, it's quite
nice. I like atop a little better though. Might be because I'm
used to its features :)
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1263 [13:26:31] <deicide-> sudo apt-get caffeine does not work for
me
1264 [13:26:45] <deicide-> what rep do i need to add?
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1269 [13:29:52] <babilen> judd: v caffeine
1270 [13:29:53] <judd> Package: caffeine on amd64 -- stretch:
2.8.3-3; buster: 2.9.4-1; sid: 2.9.4-1
1271 [13:30:01] <babilen> deicide-: Should be in the standard
repositories
1272 [13:30:04] <babilen> dpkg: bat
1273 [13:30:04] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with
apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information:
1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the
command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1
pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem,
and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use
replaced-url
1274 [13:30:13] <babilen> deicide-: ^ Could you provide this
information?
1275 [13:30:23] <babilen> dpkg: show sources.list
1276 [13:30:23] <dpkg> Please pastebin the contents of your
/etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The
easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: head -v -n -0
/etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*}
1277 [13:30:41] <babilen> That might come in handy too .. All
information in a single pastebin would do nicely
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1279 [13:31:53] <deicide-> e:invaild operation caffeine
1280 [13:32:18] <deicide-> blah i forgot to add install
1281 [13:32:23] <deicide-> after apt get
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1288 [13:36:01] <deicide-> does it works automatic or i need to
configure it?
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1291 [13:37:04] <beepnboop-> sudo tlp setcharge 70 90 BAT0
1292 [13:37:04] <beepnboop-> Error: ThinkPad extended battery
functions not available.
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1294 [13:37:45] <beepnboop-> i have the thinkpad thingy installed
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1326 [13:59:10] <Logg> So, I have a disk that changes UUID
frequently and also its device filename (/dev/sdX) changes. Is there
any possible way to pin something down in /etc/fstab for it?
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1328 [14:00:18] <colo-work> Logg, what? why would its UUID change?
1329 [14:00:51] <Logg> it's a usb floppy controller.
Apparently every floppy disk has a different UUID. because it's
USB, it gets disconnected and may reconnect with different /dev/sdX
1330 [14:01:03] <colo-work> yuck!
1331 [14:01:08] <Logg> lol
1332 [14:01:16] <colo-work> maybe /dev/disk/by-path/ is for you,
then
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1334 [14:01:45] <colo-work> or you could try a custom udev rule
that pins that USBID onto a fixed device node
1335 [14:01:55] <Logg> ooh
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1341 [14:07:33] <MidTwitter> while we're on the topic of
disks, anyone got hibernation to work alongside full disk LUKS
encryption? or are they mutually exclusive
1342 [14:08:10] <petn-randall> MidTwitter: Works fine with the
default installation.
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1344 [14:09:07] <MidTwitter> petn-randall: have you tried it with
high % ram usage? mine works but is unreliable, even with enough
swap space
1345 [14:09:13] <MidTwitter> what kernel version are you using?
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1349 [14:10:36] <petn-randall> MidTwitter: What error do you get?
1350 [14:10:52] <petn-randall> Or rather, how does the problem
show?
1351 [14:11:24] <MidTwitter> just black screen on boot
1352 [14:11:31] <MidTwitter> nothing gets written to the kernel
log
1353 [14:11:32] <beepnboop-> ?
1354 [14:11:34] <petn-randall> MidTwitter: The hibernate part
works?
1355 [14:11:40] <MidTwitter> yep
1356 [14:11:55] <MidTwitter> only happens when a significant % of
the ram is used
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1358 [14:12:12] <petn-randall> MidTwitter: I'd remove the
"quiet" kernel parameter from grub and see where it hangs.
1359 [14:12:25] <petn-randall> MidTwitter: But it generally works?
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1361 [14:12:36] <MidTwitter> yea generally
1362 [14:12:52] <MidTwitter> it's definitely not a problem
with the swap being too small
1363 [14:13:00] <MidTwitter> as the swap is the same size as the
ram
1364 [14:13:09] <MidTwitter> and the swap is at 0% when it happens
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1366 [14:13:23] <MidTwitter> (before hibernation i mean)
1367 [14:13:33] <MidTwitter> cool will try without quiet
1368 [14:14:06] <Logg>
/dev/disk/by-path/pci-0000:00:16.2-usb-0:1.3:1.0-scsi-0:0:0:0 is
working. Thanks colo-work :)
1369 [14:14:16] <colo-work> yw :)
1370 [14:14:38] <petn-randall> MidTwitter: It generally should be
larger than RAM, as you can already be using swap when you want to
hibernate.
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1372 [14:15:03] <MidTwitter> yea, makes sense
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1375 [14:15:33] <petn-randall> However, it should /fail/ if the
swap is too small, so I don't think that's the issue.
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1377 [14:15:42] <petn-randall> fail hibernating, that is, not fail
resuming.
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1380 [14:16:21] <MidTwitter> true
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1382 [14:16:52] <MidTwitter> doing a bit of googling it seems that
hibernation is very hit-and-miss on debian systems
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1384 [14:17:10] <MidTwitter> debian-based
1385 [14:17:11] <MidTwitter> is it seen as somewhat of a
low-priority?
1386 [14:17:21] <MidTwitter> something that needs more
contributors
1387 [14:17:33] <petn-randall> MidTwitter: Not in my experience.
1388 [14:17:38] <oo_miguel> I have a gtx980 and the nouveau module
is inserted on boot. but I do not see anything in `dmesg` AND xrandr
tells me only about one monitor with 640x480 resolution which is
reflected in how X looks like. In fact I have 3 moniors with much
higher resolutions. It works fine with the nvidia driver.
1389 [14:17:42] <oo_miguel> What am I missing?
1390 [14:18:02] <MidTwitter> cool
1391 [14:18:02] <petn-randall> MidTwitter: However, if you're
using nvidia kernel blobs, it's a hit-or-miss, as you're
at the mercy of this company for caring about clean hibernate.
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1393 [14:18:18] <MidTwitter> oh no i don't go near nvidia
drivers
1394 [14:18:54] <petn-randall> oo_miguel: Don't see anything
of what in `dmesg`?
1395 [14:19:17] <oo_miguel> petn-randall: I expected that
something will appear there on successfull insertion of the nouveau
module.
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1397 [14:19:38] <oo_miguel> like: successfully identified your
NVIDIA gtx980 bla bla
1398 [14:20:15] <oo_miguel> however it seems my nvidia is using
this module, when I check with lspci -vv
1399 [14:20:37] <petn-randall> oo_miguel: Have you tried `dmesg |
grep -i nouveau`?
1400 [14:20:50] <oo_miguel> petn-randall: this is excatly what I
tried
1401 [14:20:55] <oo_miguel> and nothing shows up
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1403 [14:21:49] <petn-randall> oo_miguel: Do you have the non-free
firmware? Maybe that kernel version doesn't support that card
yet.
1404 [14:22:18] <oo_miguel> petn-randall: oh I do not have any
additional firmware
1405 [14:22:45] <oo_miguel> petn-randall: but `lspci -v | grep
nouveau -C 10` shows me the module next to my card
1406 [14:22:56] <oo_miguel> not sure if this 'proofs'
anything :P
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1408 [14:25:54] <petn-randall> oo_miguel: That should mean
it's using the driver. You'll need to install
firmware-misc-nonfree, though, which likely contains the firmware
for your card.
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1416 [14:29:19] <oo_miguel> ah thank you. seems I need this extra
firmware. :(
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1421 [14:33:10] <petn-randall> oo_miguel: It works now?
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1423 [14:34:26] <oo_miguel> hold on, I will reboot
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1434 [14:37:33] <oo_miguel> petn-randall: hmm it still does not
work... :P
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1438 [14:38:20] <oo_miguel> I guess I will stick with the nvidia
driver for a while.. I am also not fully satisfied with using
nouveau, when it depends on some non-free binary blobs
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1442 [14:39:47] <oo_miguel> petn-randall: thank you very for
pointing me in the right direction (of missing non-free firmware)
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1447 [14:40:20] <petn-randall> oo_miguel: You won't get
around those binary firmware blobs. Maybe if you use Intel GPUs you
can, though it's just a matter of time until the also use it.
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1465 [14:51:36] <dibledydoo> hi all
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1469 [14:52:39] <dibledydoo> on my debian 9 machine, after the
grub handover to the kernel but before the session login screen
there are two resolution changes as the kernel load screen runs its
course
1470 [14:53:06] <dibledydoo> does anyone know where this is
handled and how that process works?
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1473 [14:53:35] <dibledydoo> i am googling a ton on the boot
process and how to configure grub but no one really seems to talk
about how resolution changes are handled post grub
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1479 [14:54:58] <petn-randall> dibledydoo: Is this causing an
issue, or just general curiosity?
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1482 [14:56:05] <dibledydoo> petn-randall: no issue at all, just
curious. would like to see if i can get the system to more
gracefully handle the process (lets sasy avoid the initial 640x480
resolution switch to 1920xwhatever) and add a background image or
something to make it nicer
1483 [14:57:37] <petn-randall> dibledydoo: Do you use nvidia
drivers?
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1485 [14:57:48] <dibledydoo> nope, intel
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1487 [14:58:27] <petn-randall> dibledydoo: Ok, then it's
possible. Set the correct resolution in /etc/default/grub, then it
should work without a single resolution change.
1488 [14:58:37] <dibledydoo> oh!
1489 [14:59:02] <petn-randall> That's one of the switches, at
least. There shouldn't™ be a 2nd one, though.
1490 [14:59:38] <dibledydoo> well lets give that a try
1491 [14:59:50] <lmw> dibledydoo: GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD=1920x1080x32 ..
GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=keep
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1494 [15:00:12] <lmw> I don't know if you need the x32, just
try it out.
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1496 [15:01:16] <lmw> dibledydoo: Don't forget to update-grub
:)
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1498 [15:01:29] <dibledydoo> lmw: that goes in /etc/default/grub
file as well? or grub.cfg?
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1500 [15:01:55] <lmw> /etc/default/grub . There should be a line
already (GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD).
1501 [15:02:14] <lmw> If you want to keep the same resolution in
Linux like GRUB has just add the _LINUX=keep line too.
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1503 [15:02:29] <dibledydoo> huh
1504 [15:02:45] <dibledydoo> okay lets try that :)
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1509 [15:05:28] <dibledydoo> well, lets see if i make it back ...
or not!
1510 [15:05:30] <dibledydoo> ha!
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1512 [15:05:40] <dibledydoo> thank you very kindly for the tips,
this helps
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1514 [15:06:10] <lmw> You're welcome :)
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1568 [15:54:47] <FightingFalcon> What settings should i use for my
open file limit?
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1573 [15:56:48] <Guest40574> How can we install http server?
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1575 [15:57:48] <Guest40574> anyone?
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1578 [15:58:20] <Brigo> Guest40574, apt get install nginx or apt
install apache2 should be a good start
1579 [15:58:28] <Brigo> ainchs
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1591 [16:02:15] <Cork> os-prober seams to expect chroot to expose
the outer mounts, as if it isn't it will included them in its
list
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1593 [16:02:31] <Cork> this breaks grub-mkconfig in a chroot in
debian 9
1594 [16:02:37] <Cork> anyone know of a workaround for that?
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1605 [16:07:23] <rant> Cork: bind mount /dev and perhaps /proc and
/sys inside the chroot
1606 [16:07:37] <rant> so it can get a map of the devices
1607 [16:07:44] <Cork> you mean after the chroot?
1608 [16:07:48] <Cork> cause i am binding it
1609 [16:07:56] <Cork> but the /proc/mounts are filtered
1610 [16:08:12] <rant> beore/after is irrelevant
1611 [16:08:27] <Cork> one min
1612 [16:09:00] <rant> grub obviously does low-level stuff and
can't work inside a chroot without access to the hw and info
about it
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1615 [16:09:20] <deicide-> can somone help me with tlp?
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1617 [16:09:59] <rant> deicide-: ask a better question, allow dpkg
to help..
1618 [16:10:03] <rant> dpkg, ask
1619 [16:10:03] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For
example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian
version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I
expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if
anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all
volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get
an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org.
See <smart questions><errors>.
1620 [16:10:19] <Cork> rant:
replaced-url
1621 [16:10:20] <deicide-> i did asked it like hour ago an was
ignored
1622 [16:10:24] <deicide-> rant
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1625 [16:10:40] <rant> deicide-: I can backlog as I was here, but
others may not have been
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1631 [16:11:25] <rant> las confo from you I see was 2.5hrs ago and
was related to caffeine
1632 [16:11:44] <deicide-> trying to do this command: "sudo
tlp setcharge 70 90 BAT0
1633 [16:11:44] <deicide-> " and i'm getting this error:
"Error: ThinkPad extended battery functions not
available." but i have the thinkpad thingy installed so why do
i get that error?
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1635 [16:12:18] <rant> you may need to load a thinkpad specific
kernel module to expose the interface that command uses
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1638 [16:12:29] <petn-randall> deicide-: You need to compile a
kernel module for that to work, it's documented.
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1640 [16:13:13] <deicide-> but i had it working just fine, i
don't get how all of a sudden it stopped working alltogether
1641 [16:13:42] <rant> deicide-: do you offhand know the device
node or such it accesses? it may be a permission issue, try it as
root
1642 [16:13:58] <rant> either that or maybe the module was loaded
before and now its not
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1645 [16:14:27] <deicide-> i tried to install it but its didnt do
anything which means its already installed
1646 [16:14:30] <rant> without you zooming out on the issue and
providing more info about the hw and what you're trying to do,
I can't even begin to know what to tell you
1647 [16:14:46] <rant> there is a really good thinkpad wiki
1648 [16:15:00] <deicide-> i'm trying to do battery threshold
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1651 [16:15:09] <rant> installing a package and loading a kernel
module are two toally different things
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1654 [16:15:48] <beepnboop-> apt-get install tp-smapi-dkms
acpi-call-dkms
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1656 [16:15:55] <deicide-> ^this thing
1657 [16:15:55] <rant> userland commands access the hardware
through device nodes and /sys or /proc inerfaces which only exist
when the modules are loaded in the kernel
1658 [16:16:01] <deicide-> i already have it installed
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1661 [16:16:13] <rant> doesn't mean its loaded :P
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1663 [16:16:25] <petn-randall> I'm guessing a kernel update
happened and the new kernel doesn't have the module
compiled/loaded.
1664 [16:16:25] <rant> or that you have permission to access it
1665 [16:16:44] <deicide-> probablly petn-randall
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1667 [16:17:04] <deicide-> anyway i'm a total noob, how can i
get it to work again?
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1671 [16:17:11] <bites> this one? lsmod | grep thinkpad_acpi
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1673 [16:18:01] <beepnboop-> thinkpad_acpi 86016 1
1674 [16:18:01] <beepnboop-> nvram 16384 1 thinkpad_acpi
1675 [16:18:01] <beepnboop-> snd 86016 17
snd_compress,snd_hda_intel,snd_hwdep,snd_hda_codec,snd_timer,thinkpad_acpi,snd_hda_codec_hdmi,snd_hda_codec_generic,snd_hda_codec_realtek,snd_soc_core,snd_pcm
1676 [16:18:01] <beepnboop-> rfkill 24576 4 thinkpad_acpi,cfg80211
1677 [16:18:01] <beepnboop-> video 40960 2 thinkpad_acpi,i915
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1681 [16:18:38] <deicide-> umm what am i looking at
1682 [16:19:00] <rant> someone getting kicked for flooding the
output of lsmod
1683 [16:19:19] <deicide-> its my laptop thingy
1684 [16:19:45] <bites> thought that was the module tlp needed,
but looks like it's loaded.
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1687 [16:20:41] <deicide-> like when i look in the config the
threshold\settings that i put months ago are still there
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1689 [16:21:02] <deicide-> it just has no effect on the system
1690 [16:21:20] <bernat> Hi. I'm seeing segfaults on my
Debian Stretch amd64 + backports installation. Almost always when
starting yakyak and Chrome. These were installed from the
developers.
1691 [16:21:42] <bernat> [mié jul 4 15:38:25 2018]
gnome-session-f[4154]: segfault at 0 ip 00007ff9ea6d4e19 sp
00007fff3cbe5be0 error 4 in
libgtk-3.so.0.2200.11[7ff9ea3f2000+700000]
1692 [16:21:44] <bernat> [mié jul 4 15:38:25 2018]
Chrome_~dThread[3154]: segfault at 0 ip 00007f864e1fbc08 sp
00007f864cc78b20 error 6 in libxul.so[7f864df0e000+4c74000]
1693 [16:22:06] <Cork> rant: you have a clue?
1694 [16:22:10] <petn-randall> bernat: Both tools are not shipped
with Debian, so ask whoever provided them.
1695 [16:22:14] <rant> bernat: yes well, what do you want us to do
about it? file a bug upstream
1696 [16:22:14] <bernat> Anyone knows what might be related.
I'm using latest kernel and some random packages from
backports.
1697 [16:22:27] <bernat> they're making the desktop crash
1698 [16:22:32] <petn-randall> bernat: Neither "yakyak"
nor "Chrome".
1699 [16:22:51] <bernat> yes, I know, but the applications are
making the desktop crash.
1700 [16:23:00] <rant> yeah, well the desktop probably wouldnt
crash if you werent using stuf outside debian stable
1701 [16:23:10] <petn-randall> Don't start them then? Or
remove them?
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1704 [16:23:38] <bernat> So that's a feature then. :S
1705 [16:23:46] <bernat> sick
1706 [16:24:20] <rant> you can't seriously expect a different
answer.. if you do you misunderstand everything about Debian
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1708 [16:24:35] <ksk> bernat: but its not a feature of debian,
since you installed 3rd party software
1709 [16:25:23] <petn-randall> bernat: There's simply not
much we can do, other than tell you to remove them, since we
don't ship the software. So there's nothing Debian can
fix.
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1711 [16:25:36] <bernat> Well, then I should expect Firefox bugs
to be archived when they're triggered buy non free websites.
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1713 [16:25:52] <bernat> I wouldn't expect it because a bug
is a bug
1714 [16:25:55] <deicide-> so by saying nothing i assume you
don't have an answer
1715 [16:25:59] <petn-randall> bernat: No, Firefox is free
software shipped by Debian.
1716 [16:26:03] <bernat> whoever or however it triggers
1717 [16:26:34] <bernat> yes, but browsing non-free websites...
that's not the philosophy I guess
1718 [16:26:44] * petn-randall yawns.
1719 [16:26:48] <bernat> nevermind
1720 [16:26:53] * rant *crickets*
1721 [16:26:54] <petn-randall> bernat: You can make up some rules,
but those aren't the Debian ones.
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1723 [16:27:22] <petn-randall> bernat: It's not about
non-free or free, it's about being shipped with Debian or not.
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1731 [16:31:38] <bernat> the desktop has crashed now two times,
one runnin chromium and another one in the overview screen after
recovering from the first crash.
1732 [16:32:00] <bernat> [mié jul 4 16:29:29 2018]
gnome-session-f[10833]: segfault at 0 ip 00007fd3ffd4ee19 sp
00007ffea4080b90 error 4 in
libgtk-3.so.0.2200.11[7fd3ffa6c000+700000]
1733 [16:32:02] <bernat> [mié jul 4 16:29:30 2018]
Chrome_~dThread[9609]: segfault at 0 ip 00007fa9d81fbc08 sp
00007fa9d6c78b20 error 6
1734 [16:32:04] <bernat> [mié jul 4 16:29:30 2018]
Chrome_~dThread[6473]: segfault at 0 ip 00007fea5bafbc08 sp
00007fea5a578b20 error 6
1735 [16:32:06] <bernat> [mié jul 4 16:29:30 2018] in
libxul.so[7fa9d7f0e000+4c74000]
1736 [16:32:08] <bernat> [mié jul 4 16:29:30 2018] in
libxul.so[7fea5b80e000+4c74000]
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1741 [16:33:04] <petn-randall> bernat: Check the /topic on how to
not flood.
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1743 [16:33:18] <bernat> I know, I'm just a bit pissed,
sorry.
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1771 [16:53:43] <treepalm> hi all, I need some help with the
configuration of a usb wifi dongle
1772 [16:54:16] <rant> treepalm: lsusb, show the full line for the
wifi
1773 [16:54:27] <treepalm> it's a sitecome 300N, typing lsusb
it returns me the wireless adapter with its bus number
1774 [16:54:46] <rant> and its vend/prod id code
1775 [16:54:58] <treepalm> bus 001 device 003: ID 0df6:0040
Sitecome Europe B.V. WL-344 Wireless Adapter 300
1776 [16:55:04] <treepalm> rant ^
1777 [16:55:51] <rant> treepalm: apt install firmware-ralink
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1779 [16:57:51] <rant> treepalm: with that firmware package, the
device will be supported by the rt2800usb module
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1784 [17:00:30] <treepalm> rant I'll try it, first I've
to update it, it's a long time I'm not using it
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1792 [17:07:20] <treepalm> rant unable to locate package
firmware-ralink
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1797 [17:08:29] <treepalm> rant I'm trying with ndisgtk
1798 [17:09:59] <rant> treepalm: yeah idk what ndisgtk is, but you
need non-free sources to get the firmware
1799 [17:10:05] <rant> !non-free
1800 [17:10:05] <dpkg> [non-free] a component which contains
software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free
packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free
sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed ask me
about <non-free list>.
1801 [17:10:15] <rant> !non-free sources
1802 [17:10:15] <dpkg> Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the
two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib
non-free" rather than just "main", then
«apt-get update». But bear in mind that you'll be
installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms;
check the licenses. See also <sources.list>.
1803 [17:10:58] <deicide-> ?
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1820 [17:20:41] <treepalm> dpkg all right, it's installing
then reboot
1821 [17:20:41] <dpkg> treepalm: I don't know, could you
explain it?
1822 [17:21:03] <treepalm> rant all right, it's installing
then reboot
1823 [17:21:06] <rant> there is no need to reboot this isnt
windows
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1828 [17:21:58] <rant> at most you rmmod rt2800usb; modprobe
rt2800usb or just unplug it and plug it back in
1829 [17:22:07] <treepalm> I installed other stuff and doing other
things in the meanwhile, I don't use windows in years lol
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1831 [17:22:30] <treepalm> yep! now works, it sees other wifi
networks! thanks
1832 [17:22:39] <rant> you dont even have to reboot linux to
upgrade the kernel..
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1834 [17:23:08] <petn-randall> Well, it does help, though ...
1835 [17:23:19] <rant> kexec
1836 [17:23:33] <petn-randall> You could use ksplice to fix bugs,
but kexec is a different beast.
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1840 [17:24:06] <petn-randall> It doesn't powercycle the
system, but it does boot a new kernel and kills all userspace in the
process. So it's pretty much a reboot.
1841 [17:24:47] <petn-randall> And I guess that some hardware will
act weird if it doesn't get reinitilialized.
1842 [17:24:58] <petn-randall> s/il//
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1855 [17:29:31] <jak2000> share please the source packages for
debian jessie 8 thanks
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1859 [17:30:42] <BanHammor> jak2000, apt source <package>
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1861 [17:30:50] <jak2000> apt source jessie
1862 [17:30:53] <jak2000> !apt source jessie
1863 [17:31:09] <BanHammor> !source
1864 [17:31:09] <dpkg> As an overview: to work with Debian source
packages, add a <deb-src> line to your sources list; cd to a
location with free space; download the source package with
<apt-get source>; edit <debian/rules> to taste; use
<dpkg-buildpackage> to build the new .deb. For more details,
also ask me about <package recompile> <backport>
<nmg> <policy> <source package>
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1867 [17:31:43] <jak2000> but something: deb
replaced-url
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1881 [17:37:21] <BanHammor> jak2000, well, add the required line
to the sources list.
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1883 [17:38:00] <BanHammor> the syntax and location is the same as
the deb line
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1908 [17:51:02] * jak2000 /msg dpkg jessie packages not give me the 3
line :(
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1912 [17:55:11] <jak2000> !dpkg jessie
1913 [17:55:11] <dpkg> Jessie is the codename for the current
<oldstable> release, Debian 8, released on 2015-04-25:
replaced-url
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1940 [18:10:25] <jak2000> where can download entire cd for install
debian (new version) not net inst... ?
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1948 [18:12:16] <Tegu> jak2000: the link to this page was on the
front page
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1952 [18:12:54] <jak2000> thx
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2057 [19:18:21] <mdlpe> hi, after update, my Deb don't start
with the updated kernel
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2063 [19:20:14] <jhutchins> mdlpe: Gonna need a LOT more detail.
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2092 [19:37:14] <mdlpe> jhutchins: ok, I installed bootlogd,
enable it, but /var/log/boot is always empty
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2104 [19:42:19] <Tenkawa> got a tricky one for you
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2107 [19:44:55] <Tenkawa> any theories on why a debian box (dell
with AMD) with 4.17, 4.16, 4,14, etc kernel might work just fine
with any filesystem to an mmc card if its on a usb-mmc adapter but
soon as i try to use its on board interface... corruption
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2109 [19:45:04] <Tenkawa> week old machine
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2124 [19:47:06] <gr8> hi, why is there a libqt5webenginewidgets5
package in Debian, but no libqt5webenginewidgets5-dev? I need the
development headers
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2126 [19:47:19] <Tenkawa> just thought I'd see if
anyone's had that interesting one yet
2127 [19:47:21] <pseudonymous> Hi - I am on Deb9 with the Mate
desktop. For some reason, my ability to get music out of the
headphone jack (of my laptop) has stopped. Using pavucontrol, I see
the channels aren't muted, volume bars still modulate with the
beats of the music, the default device changes from speakers (which
work!) to headphones when the minijack is inserted. I've even
tried 2 different headphones.. ideas ?
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2129 [19:47:55] <Tenkawa> cheers all I'll be back later
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2137 [19:51:32] <pseudonymous> (did a full upgrade of packages
with apt; installed firmware-linux-nonfree; will reboot & retry)
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2149 [19:54:52] <gr8> ok found it, it's in qtwebengine5-dev
2150 [19:55:28] <pseudonymous> Strangely - upgrading all packages
and installing firmware-linux-nonfree did the trick. I now have
sound even via the headphone jack :)
2151 [19:56:05] <pseudonymous> gr8: generally, install apt-file -
it's the single most helpful tool for tracking down which
packages provides which files
2152 [19:56:44] <gr8> pseudonymous, thanks, I actually have it
lol. Just didn't know what to look for
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2154 [19:56:57] <pseudonymous> Ah, IC :)
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2249 [20:55:19] <expert975> I've purged openjdk-10-jdk to
make my applications compile with Java8 instead of Java10 but
'java --version' still returns version 10. Isn't
purge suposed to remote the program from the system?
2250 [20:56:14] <expert975> I want to switch beetween jdk8 and
jre8 without needing to edit 20 update-alternatives entries. How can
I do that?
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2253 [20:56:50] <expert975> I've thought of uninstalling
jdk10 to use jdk8, but it does not want to let go of my system
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2255 [20:57:21] <expert975> *remove
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2263 [21:02:20] <expert975> Why is jdk10 still in my system after
a purge?
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2271 [21:05:13] <jhutchins> I would have thought jdk would include
jre...
2272 [21:05:41] <jhutchins> expert975: File have probably been
installed, moved, or altered within Java and are not where dpkg
thinks they are.
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2277 [21:07:19] <expert975> jhutchins: does the installer do that?
What a mess...
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2279 [21:08:07] <jhutchins> expert975: No, the installer
wouldn't do that, but a process within java might. Java has
it's own package management available.
2280 [21:08:57] <expert975> jhutchins: I've never ran java as
sudo. How could it've done this?
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2282 [21:09:42] <expert975> jhutchins: *as root
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2296 [21:18:38] <expert975> How can I remove jdk10?
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2303 [21:22:46] <expert975> update-java-alternatives :O
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2306 [21:25:53] <expert975> ,,testing
2307 [21:25:58] <expert975> ,,test
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2312 [21:26:03] <expert975> How does this bot woks?
2313 [21:26:04] <expert975> ,,help
2314 [21:26:08] <expert975> ,help
2315 [21:26:09] <judd> (help [<plugin>] [<command>])
-- This command gives a useful description of what <command>
does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more
than one plugin.
2316 [21:26:17] <expert975> ,testing
2317 [21:26:19] <expert975> ,test
2318 [21:26:37] <jhutchins> expert975: Please /msg the bot instead
of triggering it in-channel.
2319 [21:27:12] <somiaj> also stretch doesn't have jdk10, so
how did you install java 10 or what vdersion of debian are you
running?
2320 [21:28:00] <expert975> somiaj: I'm on testing. The
package I've installed is "openjdk-10-jdk"
2321 [21:28:42] <somiaj> then remove the package if you don't
want it installed, also #debian-next on irc.oftc.net is the support
channel for testgin
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2326 [21:29:29] <expert975> somiaj: I've ran "sudo apt
purge openjdk-10-jdk". It's still here. How to proceed?
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2331 [21:33:47] <ttyS1> I'm running Debian 9.4 on a laptop
with 1 VGA outpout and 1 HDMI output. Both work but only one at a
time. When connecting both VGA and HDMI monitors, I can see both of
them in the Display configuration GUI but one of them is turned off
on the settings. When I turn it on a long failed to apply
configuration message pops up.
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2332 [21:33:47] <ttyS1> ows
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2343 [21:39:23] <David_Hedlund> There are 30 listed Debian that
cannot be loaded. Example: I get "ERROR 404: Not Found."
for `wget
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2344 [21:39:32] <David_Hedlund> files*
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2350 [21:42:36] <expert975> David_Hedlund: forgot to "apt
update"?
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2370 [21:52:06] <David_Hedlund> expert975: Some files are missing
on the server. You can access
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2372 [21:55:04] <jsqkldhf> what's the most popular way to
install a VM inside a Debian server?
2373 [21:55:10] <jsqkldhf> to have a second "isolated"
from host development machine
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2381 [22:00:37] <jhutchins> !virtualization
2382 [22:00:37] <dpkg> For resources concerning the use of Debian
as a host for virtual computers, or as a guest within a virtual
computer, see
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2384 [22:01:33] <jsqkldhf> jhutchins: thanks but I'm a bit
lost about all these keywords. Which one is a simple popular one?
2385 [22:01:44] <jsqkldhf> i.e. the number one I should try to
have a debian VM inside my debian?
2386 [22:01:45] <expert975> jsqkldhf: I've used qemu
2387 [22:02:31] <jsqkldhf> expert975: is the guest VM much slower
than running code in the host?
2388 [22:02:34] <jsqkldhf> because of the virt?
2389 [22:03:23] <expert975> jsqkldhf: When I installed WinXP it
was very slow
2390 [22:03:28] <expert975> jsqkldhf: Slower than usual
2391 [22:03:41] <expert975> jsqkldhf: But it worked :D
2392 [22:03:44] <jsqkldhf> ok :)
2393 [22:04:18] <jsqkldhf> expert975: how did you choose kvm vs
qemu?
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2398 [22:06:25] <expert975> jsqkldhf: I haven't heard of kvm
2399 [22:06:42] <expert975> jsqkldhf: The other one I've used
was VirtualBox
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2406 [22:12:31] <expert975> jsqkldhf: Found a log at
~/.netbeans/8.1/var/log/messages.log
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2408 [22:12:45] <expert975> jsqkldhf: wait, wrong chat. Sorry
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2427 [22:22:57] <ksk> jsqkldhf: if you like it simple and have
buttons to click on ID reccomend taking a look on virtualbox (also
available on windows)
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2431 [22:24:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1613
2432 [22:24:33] <ksk> depending on which level of isolation you
want to archieve even systemd (via namespeaced services) could do
the trick
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2438 [22:26:04] <ksk> j?
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2454 [22:30:26] <pklat> greetings fellow debians
2455 [22:30:35] <expert975> ksk: What's the level of
isolation of systemd services?
2456 [22:30:41] <expert975> pklat: Greetings!
2457 [22:31:54] <ksk> expert975: it might be hard to grasp / you
should google for a nice overview
2458 [22:32:07] <ksk> expert975: this would offer kernel level
isolation
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2460 [22:32:47] <ksk> like, there is code in the kernel to a)
namespace (google that :P) and b) cgroup (google this :P) things
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2462 [22:33:20] <ksk> applying isolation from other
processes/users and ressource-limits
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2464 [22:34:32] <ksk> like if $attacker got a rootshell of your
apache2 he would just sit in a "jail" or
"chroot" to use some ancient methods terms
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2466 [22:35:05] <ksk> with not the real filesystem available to
him, and for example only as much RAM as you gave this systemd-unit
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2469 [22:35:29] <J0ca_> hey guys
2470 [22:35:34] <J0ca_> what can i do
2471 [22:35:36] <bites> then i would much rather use containers,
like lxd.
2472 [22:35:36] <J0ca_> to fix it
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2474 [22:35:39] <J0ca_>
replaced-url
2475 [22:35:47] <ksk> this of course only enables you to run linux
services(or programmes), you cannot run windows that way.
2476 [22:35:49] <J0ca_> my opensshd dont work
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2478 [22:36:19] <ksk> bites: Iam on lxd with my private server
farm right now, but Ive been thinking about the systemd way
2479 [22:36:38] <expert975> ksk: Windows as a systemd service haha
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2481 [22:36:47] <pklat> lxd would be much better with wayland
2482 [22:36:49] <pklat> i think
2483 [22:37:16] <ksk> expert975: just saying, you would need
"full (para maybe) virtualisation" for that, not
"linux kernel level"
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2485 [22:37:21] <pklat> I've been trying to use containers
with viber and teamviewer, but..
2486 [22:37:38] <ksk> you should run ubuntu for lxd afaik.
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2488 [22:38:19] <Iridos> J0ca_, possibly just wait a bit…
sometimes takes some time to free a port… else, look at (run
as root) fuser 22/tcp …
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2491 [22:39:36] <bites> ksk: systemd-nspawn? i don't know
what you mean by namespaced services. it can do user namespaces, but
lxd does that by default.
2492 [22:40:20] <micw> hi. is it common that bugs are closed as
soon as a fix is in testing? even if the bug still exists in stable?
I'm occuring this one:
replaced-url
2493 [22:40:22] <ksk> bites: one can use systemd unit files to
make services spawn inside a namespace and with cgroups applied.
2494 [22:40:40] <ksk> kind of the same as lxc/lxd just with
another approach on how to handle things
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2497 [22:41:05] <ksk> not cnotainer, but service based. systemd
will replace them all, ha!
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2509 [22:42:52] <ksk> micw: I am not 100% sure how debian handles
that, but "stable" in debian means "not
changing". kind of depends on the bug and the fix
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2513 [22:43:26] <bites> you mean their network namespace?
2514 [22:43:32] <micw> the bug was introduces by a
"security" update which actually upgraded from chromium 66
to 67
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2516 [22:44:24] <bites> ksk: do you have a link for that?
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2531 [22:50:17] <rant> micw: nowhere is this mentioned in tthe bug
so there is no reason it'd keep the bug open since there is
absolutely no mention of 67.0.3396.87
2532 [22:50:35] <ksk> bites: one second ;)
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2534 [22:50:46] <ksk> I love these systemd manpages.
2535 [22:51:00] <rant> but its good to know anyhow.. so I dont
upgrade :P
2536 [22:51:06] <micw> rant, for some reson it's marked as
solved for this version
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2538 [22:51:41] <ksk> bites: take a look at
replaced-url
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2540 [22:52:19] <micw> i've responded to the bug and attached
a link to a sample video. the big players (youtube et al) seems to
use different codecs. but others are affected
2541 [22:52:46] <rant> micw: oh so my text search of 67.0.3396.87
turning up 0 results must just be mistaken then :P
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2543 [22:53:23] <micw> rant, true, it says it's solved since
chromium-browser/67.0.3396.79-2,
2544 [22:53:27] <ksk> bites: eg PrivateUsers and the other
statements around.
2545 [22:53:40] <bites> nice, thanks.
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2547 [22:54:01] <micw> which should include the latest version ;)
- my mistake, thought I saw this particular version
2548 [22:54:40] <rant> micw: well as far as the mainainer is
concerned the bug only applies to non-stable versions.. you'd
have to confirm the bug in the stable security package or they
wouldnt know
2549 [22:55:11] <micw> i did (sent the email a minute ago)
2550 [22:55:42] <f91w_> I rsync'd my home dir (ext4/60GB) to
a local usb disk(ntfs), and it completed, however when issuing
sync(1) it takes forever. The page cache has 2GB+ worth of dirty
page tables. How can I speed this up in the future, or even right
now?
2551 [22:56:06] <micw> oh, a 6 year old bug in the bluetooh stack
was fixed - finally allowing linux users to use bluetooth headsets
;)
replaced-url
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2554 [22:56:53] <f91w_> At this speed it will take hours until
it's fully synced.
2555 [22:57:08] <ksk> bites: and also this one I would think:
replaced-url
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2557 [22:57:36] <ksk> looks like the most useful things you would
want from cgroups
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2573 [23:01:15] <gkwhc> hi, i was wondering if debian has
something like AUR in arch that lets users install 3rd party
software easily? based on some googling it seems like it doesnt?
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2580 [23:03:03] <annadane> not really no
2581 [23:03:17] <annadane>
replaced-url
2582 [23:03:31] <petn-randall> gkwhc: Not really, and it's
not realliy encouraged. However, Debian comes with over 50,000
packages, so it's not always needed.
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2587 [23:05:17] <gkwhc> petn-randall: ah i see. i did a keyword
search for a package named hyperledger and it doesnt seem to exist
2588 [23:05:32] <gkwhc> could be my problem not knowing my way in
debian
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2603 [23:12:33] <rant> no its def not in debian
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