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39 [00:27:51] <Epx998> Does debian support XFS as the /
partition out of a fresh install?
40 [00:28:31] <missmbob> yes
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42 [00:28:43] <Epx998> when did it get introduced?
43 [00:29:03] <missmbob> i made the first installer for it in
2005...i think.
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45 [00:29:32] <Epx998> so I can set it in the d-i partman stuff
for an unattended?
46 [00:30:01] <missmbob> yes
47 [00:30:06] <Epx998> partman-xfs i see
48 [00:30:12] <Epx998> oooh gonna test this
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60 [00:34:43] <Alexbleks> WWhere
61 [00:35:00] <Alexbleks> Where can I get support for the latest
and great Red Star OS 3?
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63 [00:35:33] <missmbob> Epx998: jesus. google corrected me. i
released in 2002. damn.
64 [00:35:49] <Epx998> dang misinformation ;P
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67 [00:37:29] <sonOfRa> Alexbleks: wait for next *C3 congress,
find it on some ftp there :D
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74 [00:42:18] <Epx998> anyone got a good d-i partman-xfs recipe
handy?
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115 [01:06:02] <grubles> is there a ck kernel package?
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190 [01:41:52] <Juzzy> is it normal to have 4x 6tb partitions in
raid5 only come out to 12tb usable even with reserver set to 0%
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192 [01:42:56] <JUSY>
replaced-url
193 [01:43:09] <Juzzy> 4k bs. seems like it should be closer to
16tb
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195 [01:43:31] <missmbob> 12tb is parity+spare. aka raid 5e
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197 [01:44:22] <Juzzy> i'm talking after ext4
198 [01:44:42] <Juzzy> ya weird I am missing alot of space that
isn't adding up
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200 [01:46:39] <Juzzy> each partition has "11674871808"
512b sectors which is 5.977, however fdisk is reporting that to 5.4
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202 [01:47:21] <blackflow> Juzzy: GB vs GiB?
203 [01:47:27] <missmbob> yeah
204 [01:47:39] <Juzzy> ya so maybe so
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206 [01:48:08] <Juzzy> but once it's all mounted up, 17.9TB
"raw" formats down to 12TB?
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208 [01:48:31] <Juzzy> /dev/md126 12T 4.9T 7.0T 41% /mnt/raid5
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210 [01:48:51] <Juzzy> md126 : active raid5 sdd3[2] sda3[3]
sdb3[1] sdc3[0] 12884901696 blocks level 5, 64k chunk, algorithm 2
[4/4] [UUUU]
211 [01:49:09] <moony> Breathed myself out in a diffrent channel,
but fuck HP firmware+hardware: `THERE DAMN DODGY FIRMWARE+HARDWARE
MADE MY LAPTOP'S LINUX INSTALLATION THINK IT WAS AT 20%
BATTERY, WHEN IT WAS NEARLY DEAD. RESULT? CORRUPT SUPERBLOCK`
selfquote in rage mode
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216 [01:54:32] <Juzzy> is it a problem with ext4 formating larger
fs that it exponentially loses space?
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222 [01:58:49] <jakefb> Hi I need help with postfix
223 [01:59:23] <missmbob> jakefb: there is #postfix
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228 [02:01:55] <jakefb> missmbob yep just asked in there
229 [02:03:14] <Juzzy> ahhh mdadm -D reports: Array Size :
12884901696 (12288.00 GiB 13194.14 GB)
230 [02:03:28] <Juzzy> now I must figure out what the hell
happened ;(
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240 [02:08:02] <Juzzy> so 12288.00 / 3 is 4096
241 [02:08:17] <Juzzy> is there a 4TB limit in raid5? :(
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244 [02:10:55] <Juzzy> ya so mdadm --examine /dev/sdb3 show 4096
TiB
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247 [02:11:12] <Juzzy> mdadm --grow /dev/md126 --size=max doesnt
make it any larger
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431 [04:42:43] <esaym153> installed the stretch RC, and all my
nic interfaces are not like "eth0, eth1", etc. They are
like : "ens3f0, ens3f1, eno1, eno2,"... what the heck?
432 [04:42:50] <esaym153> are now like*
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434 [04:43:28] <esaym153> err.. not*
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453 [05:03:19] <VentGrey> Hello World
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459 [05:08:21] <dvs> syntax error
460 [05:08:40] <VentGrey> Is it possible to re-package a .deb
file? There is a package someone managed to port from Sid to Stable
using the OBS but OBS does not support Debian Testing (Stretch)
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468 [05:18:56] <VentGrey> :'v ño?
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471 [05:22:38] <tharkun> I want to look under aptitude for a
program that can edit audio what is the syntax of the command I need
to add to the search line for it to work?
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473 [05:24:19] <VentGrey> "aptitude search
<packagename>"
474 [05:24:33] <VentGrey> Tho i recommend using apt (Not apt-get)
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478 [05:25:15] <tharkun> VentGrey: I don't know of any
packagename that handles audio editing I was looking for some search
inside the description type of one liner
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480 [05:26:18] <VentGrey> xD oh, im sorry you can replace
packagename with the words "Audio edit" or similar
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482 [05:27:28] <VentGrey> it does throw some results like:
rdour/testing 1:5.5.0~dfsg-1+b1 the digital audio workstation
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489 [05:30:55] <LiuYan> tharkun: audio editor, like Audacity ?
490 [05:32:11] <LiuYan> apt-cache search 'audio editor'
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494 [05:33:25] <VentGrey> o,o
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504 [05:40:37] <tharkun> LiuYan: Yes, I saw several and installed
them lets see what they can deliver. :D Thanks
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507 [05:41:46] <LiuYan> tharkun: I often use Audacity,
that's what I know. :)
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512 [05:43:40] <newbie123> I am using dist-upgrade but packages
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574 [06:28:11] <LocalHoster> Hello. Can someone help me please. I
am trying to start a program for GPU computing, but it says
"error while loading shared libraries: libcuda.so.1: cannot
open shared object file: No such file or directory"
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577 [06:29:13] <LocalHoster> I then tried to install NVIDIA
driver
578 [06:29:21] <LocalHoster> and got this error
579 [06:29:22] <LocalHoster> Unable to find the development tool
`cc` in your path; please make
580 [06:29:22] <LocalHoster> sure that you have the package
'gcc' installed. If gcc is installed
581 [06:29:22] <LocalHoster> on your system, then please check
that `cc` is in your PATH.
582 [06:29:22] *** LocalHoster was kicked by debhelper (flood. Please
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584 [06:29:35] <LocalHoster> sorry
585 [06:29:39] <mutante> LocalHoster: what i would try next is
search for "libcuda" in packages
586 [06:30:06] <mutante> LocalHoster: i would use "apt-cache
search libcuda" to see if any packages refer to it, then read
their descriptions and maybe install them
587 [06:30:16] <mutante> and then try again what you did before
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589 [06:30:29] <LocalHoster> apt-cache search libcuda
590 [06:30:33] <LocalHoster> is empty
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593 [06:31:17] <mutante> oh really, for me locally it's not.
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595 [06:32:00] <LocalHoster> what should I do then?
596 [06:32:30] <mutante> check which version of Debian you are on
by looking at your APT sources.list
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598 [06:32:42] <mutante> and use packages.debian.org to search
for libcuda packages
599 [06:32:47] <mutante> and see what you can install
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601 [06:33:27] <mutante> maybe you have to edit your sources.list
and enable nonfree repo, i didnt check
602 [06:34:36] <mutante> LocalHoster: yea, that's it.
it's non-free.
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604 [06:35:09] <mutante> LocalHoster: so you have to enable the
non-free repository if you want to accept that and install it
anyways.. or live without this if you dont want to accept non-free
software
605 [06:36:35] <mutante> you do that by adding the string
"non-free" to your existing APT config , then running
apt-get update, then search for the packages again as you tried
before
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608 [06:40:10] <LocalHoster> ok, working
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610 [06:41:18] <LocalHoster> now got this in the search -
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612 [06:42:34] <LocalHoster> Media change: please insert the disc
labeled
613 [06:42:50] <LocalHoster> Why does it want cd from me??
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615 [06:44:12] <LocalHoster> solved :)
616 [06:44:33] <mutante> LocalHoster: :)
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643 [07:00:23] <s33__> hi, im trying to make network manager work
but fails to work when i install it (im on a xen), how would you
troubleshoot the network on a vps when the network stops
functioning, all i can do is reinstall and reboot, any help? if
anyone has knowledge of how to make network manager similiar to the
existing network i have, if anyone knows i would be grateful to know
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646 [07:01:30] <s33__> I'd need to know the things that
network manager changes before i activate it and make network
manager function as the other network client that it uses default
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671 [07:18:06] <Warming> !leftturn
672 [07:18:15] <Warming> Wrong channel
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759 [08:23:13] <Dr_Z2A> hey, I'm on debian 8 trying to run
postgres-9.4. Totally fresh install. I run sudo service postgresql
start and when I check the status it always says active(exited). Has
anyone encountered this before?
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761 [08:24:13] <cxeq> can anyone help me resolve a bug similar to
this
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762 [08:24:38] <cxeq> maybe I am just bad at reading
comprehension, but it didnt seem like they found a fix in that topic
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769 [08:27:16] <Dr_Z2A> are you just trying to suppress the
messages?
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772 [08:27:46] <cxeq> I think its causing some instability /
network problems
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777 [08:28:40] <cxeq> and not even just network problems but
resources usage too, literally 95-99% of the syslog is dhclient
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780 [08:29:34] <Dr_Z2A> so you are you using wlan0 and eth0 is
the one that you are getting the messages for I take it?
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782 [08:29:54] <cxeq> yes that's correct
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785 [08:30:15] <Dr_Z2A> have you tried to just setting your iface
eth0 inet dhcp line in your /etc/network/interfaces to iface eth0
inet static?
786 [08:30:20] <Dr_Z2A> I mean that might not be exactly what you
want
787 [08:30:37] <Dr_Z2A> but it would be a fair sanity check just
to make sure it stops the messages
788 [08:30:54] <cxeq> sure, will that effect my other static
allocation (on wlan?)
789 [08:31:07] <Dr_Z2A> nah
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792 [08:31:41] <cxeq> and then reboot I assume?
793 [08:32:10] <Dr_Z2A> umm, you shouldn't need to,
there's a way to reload the config file
794 [08:32:16] <Dr_Z2A> can't remember what it is though,
reboot would do it
795 [08:32:21] <cxeq> ok, too late :P
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799 [08:32:49] <Dr_Z2A> lol
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802 [08:34:10] <Dr_Z2A> actually, did you check that your eth0
interface was down to begin with? I mean if it isn't plugged in
it should be, but you might have to explicitly ifconfig eth0 down
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804 [08:34:47] <cxeq> it still seems to be giving the same errors
805 [08:34:56] <cxeq> heres a paste of the errors and the
ifconfig
806 [08:34:57] <cxeq>
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807 [08:35:08] <cxeq> I'll run ifconfig eth0 down now
808 [08:35:21] <cxeq> since it does ay UP
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810 [08:35:41] <cxeq> is that a permanent command?
811 [08:35:50] <Dr_Z2A> what do you mean by permanent?
812 [08:35:59] <cxeq> persistent past reboot
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814 [08:36:13] <Bilbaoo> Hi, I'd like to use free software.
Which distro do you recommend Parabola or Debian Sid?
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817 [08:36:27] <Dr_Z2A> nah, but you could put it in an init
script
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822 [08:36:57] <cxeq> oh how strange, it turns itself back on
almost instantly
823 [08:36:57] <Dr_Z2A> lol, sid, glhf =D
824 [08:37:02] <cxeq> back UP*
825 [08:37:12] <Dr_Z2A> huh
826 [08:37:18] <Dr_Z2A> that is strange
827 [08:37:28] <Dr_Z2A> what if you just comment out the eth0
line /etc/network/interfaces
828 [08:37:37] <Dr_Z2A> that one would be permanent
829 [08:37:52] <awal1> Bilbaoo, think: beef vs mosquito?
830 [08:38:09] <cxeq> and iface lo inet loopback as well?
831 [08:38:30] <cxeq> I mean should I comment that line out too
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833 [08:38:36] <Dr_Z2A> no
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835 [08:38:54] <Bilbaoo> awal1: Pardon?
836 [08:39:22] <awal1> Bilbaoo, debian is 100% free software;
it's non-free stuff is a different story
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838 [08:40:23] <Bilbaoo> Parabola also 100% free software
839 [08:40:27] <Dr_Z2A> Bilbaoo, what are you trying to do? what
is your purpose for wanting to use free software?
840 [08:40:55] <cxeq> ah, it seems to resume the same behaviour
with the line commented out unfortunately
841 [08:41:01] <jelly> every time someone asks this question, I
wonder what answer they honestly expect from a channel called
#debian
842 [08:41:01] <Bilbaoo> Dr_Z2A: You know my 'freedom'
stuff
843 [08:41:34] <awal1> Bilbaoo, many people need non-free stuff
bcoz of hardware, work ... concerns, hince the non-free
"unofficial" debian side
844 [08:41:36] <cxeq> I should say I also am running this script
(keepalive.sh) to maintain a dodgy wifi connection, but these
problems significantly predate that script
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845 [08:41:38] <jelly> "no, use something else, we honestly
think Debian is not good enough, I wonder why we're even
here?!"
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849 [08:42:21] <Bilbaoo> I expect the following answer if Someone
knows other distros as well. If you want to use Parabola it means
you won't use AUR, which means Debian has more packages or
something like that.
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853 [08:44:21] <Dr_Z2A> cxeq that's weird, commenting that
line out should have stopped the messages afaik
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858 [08:46:17] <cxeq> im getting less messages in dmesg though
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865 [08:51:35] <cxeq> Dr_Z2A let me correct myself, I think I am
seing a marked improvement here
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868 [08:52:10] <cxeq> I am still getting a bunch of stuff like
this, but much less errors and stuff
869 [08:52:11] <cxeq> dhclient: DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to
255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 12
870 [08:52:59] <awal1> Bilbaoo, just find out what are your needs
then use whatever suites them, being in tune with your principles
regarding "software freedom"
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884 [09:00:22] <g4b0> hi all
885 [09:01:22] <g4b0> I'm wondering if upgrading from Jessie
to Stretch I can have some issue on my Vagrant boxes
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888 [09:01:58] <FreddyP> g4b0: have you considered running
Stretch in a VM to see if there are issues
889 [09:02:20] <g4b0> FreddyP: not yet
890 [09:02:55] <g4b0> I'm sure that if I install everything
from scratch it will work
891 [09:03:11] <g4b0> But dist upgrade are always a pain
892 [09:03:27] <g4b0> not like 10 years ago...
893 [09:03:35] <g4b0> but still a pain
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895 [09:05:26] <FreddyP> dist upgrades dont come around that
often
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998 [09:57:18] <radon> i tried the #kali-linux channel as i was
suggested by someone over here
999 [09:57:25] <radon> but to no avail
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1001 [09:57:36] <radon> anyone active
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1004 [09:57:52] <radon> ?
1005 [09:57:58] <radon> ...................
1006 [09:57:59] <radon> ..
1007 [09:58:00] <radon> ..
1008 [09:58:00] <radon> ..
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1013 [09:59:02] <coke> inb4 pastebin of dot spam
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1108 [10:47:25] <asdf-> apt upgrade prompted me to upgrade: login,
passwd & uidmap... where can I find documentation on why these
need to be updated?
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1114 [10:48:50] <celyr> apt-get changelog package
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1118 [10:49:13] <asdf-> celyr, thank you
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1120 [10:49:43] <celyr> asdf-, may I ask you what release are you
using ?
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1122 [10:50:10] <celyr> because I have many debians and had no a
passwd login and uidmap update by like forever
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1124 [10:51:08] <asdf-> celyr, not true true debian --
1125 [10:51:08] <asdf-> <Flannel> asdf-:
1126 [10:51:11] <mebus> is there a command, that does this:
"apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
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1128 [10:51:13] <mebus> " =
1129 [10:51:14] <mebus> ?
1130 [10:51:15] <asdf-> oops Ubuntu 16.04.02
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1132 [10:51:29] <celyr> mebus, yes
1133 [10:51:35] <celyr> apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
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1135 [10:51:40] <mebus> celyr: :D
1136 [10:52:00] <mebus> celyr: Fedora has "dnf update"
which does both.
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1138 [10:52:22] <celyr> if you are looking for something without
&& I don't think there is
1139 [10:52:23] <mcon> I am unable to to make audio work on my
just-reinstalled debian-testing. It was working before upgrade. I
tried googling, but I'm unsure what is relevant (a lot of very
old advice still floats around). I have my speakers (Samsung 4k tv)
connected via DVI to a "NVIDIA Corporation GK104 HDMI Audio
Controller (rev a1)" that's detected as intel (Kernel
driver in use: snd_hda_intel); is this normal?
1140 [10:52:26] <mebus> there is nothing like this in debian,
which does it one command?
1141 [10:52:29] <babilen> mebus: Define an alias if you want
something shorter
1142 [10:52:42] <coke> asdf-: for debian you look for the package
replaced-url
1143 [10:52:54] <asdf-> coke, thank you!
1144 [10:52:55] <mebus> babilen: yeah, but I think it should
exists in debian by default.
1145 [10:53:00] <babilen> Why?
1146 [10:53:14] <asdf-> celyr, i was concerened too but it does
look like it was a legitimate update
1147 [10:53:24] <mebus> babilen: because I don't want to
create aliases on all machines und don't want to type the
&& thing every time I update
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1151 [10:54:33] <babilen> mebus: It should be an easy search in
your command history and can be easily addressed with tools such as
SaltStack or Ansible for many machines.
1152 [10:54:55] <mebus> babilen: yes, I know.
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1154 [10:55:13] <babilen> You might also want to start using apt
or pass "--with-new-pkgs" to upgrade if that is your
default
1155 [10:55:46] <babilen> I'd also argue that you might want
to look into cron-apt or unattended-upgrades if you "just"
want to perform those actions frequently
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1157 [10:57:41] <bazhang> !ftp
1158 [10:57:41] <dpkg> File Transfer Protocol (FTP) is a method of
moving files between systems using TCP/IP. There are three sane
kinds of FTP: anonymous, encrypted and unprivileged (non-Unix
users). Unencrypted FTP using Unix users will get your box pwn3d as
fast as running windows on your firewall machine. Ask me about
<ftp must die>, <scp>, <sftp>. See also
<ftpd>.
1159 [10:58:09] <bazhang> I thought debian just dropped ftp
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1161 [10:59:18] <celyr> Poor ftp
1162 [10:59:21] <celyr> is going to die
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1166 [11:00:25] <missmbob> debian did:
replaced-url
1167 [11:00:34] <doublehp> how do i change the size of /dev/shm on
testing stretch ?
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1207 [11:22:34] <amirq> hey guys
1208 [11:22:38] <amirq> how are u doin
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1211 [11:24:14] <amirq> guys i have got an issue with installing
debian on my laptop
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1214 [11:24:29] <amirq> the model is hp probook 4540s
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1220 [11:27:16] <at0m> amirq: and your issue is...
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1222 [11:29:24] <slax0r> issue installing debian on his laptop, he
told you, now look at your magic chrystal ball
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1230 [11:32:38] <Iridos> well, he wants you to do
replaced-url
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1233 [11:34:08] <Iridos> yay wheezy… always good to have
up-to-date documentation on stuff
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1236 [11:34:45] <at0m> almost as fast as our releases :D
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1245 [11:41:38] <dka> I have an issue, I have created a iptables
rules script on debian8 under : /etc/network/if-up.d/iptablesload. I
expect it to be applied on startup. why is it not working ?
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1248 [11:42:41] <amirq> guys i have an issue with installing
debian and it is when i boot the netinst debian 8.7 installer(i have
tested ver8 above no change) i get a weird scrambled screen. I think
it should be because of the switchable graphics but even with
disabling that i still see no change. what do u think about it? i
have hp probook 4540s and the boot mode doesnt effect the issue.
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1280 [12:04:29] <celyr> amirq, use text installer ?
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1298 [12:12:45] <niab> hi
1299 [12:12:45] <marchelly> Hi, actually the problem is that I
have 2 GPT disks without EFI 1-2mb partition with
"bios_grub" flag so I can't install grub on it to
boot from this drives (I'm using chroot now). Is there a way to
modify disks without corrupting data on them and savind raid1 to be
able to install grub and boot?
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1304 [12:15:19] <niab> can you daemonize something to run in a
screen session each time it starts?
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1309 [12:16:04] <Azrael_-> hi
1310 [12:16:17] <Azrael_-> i've added the backports for
jessie as repository. sometimes "apt-get update" offers me
updates from bpo for packages although those packages aren't
installed from bpo (according to "apt-cache policy
<package>"). why could this be and how could i further
analyze this?
replaced-url
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1314 [12:19:21] <at0m> niab: either it runs in screen, or
daemonized. i'm assuming you want default windows in screen
when you first run screen. append lines like "screen -t top 5
top" to ~/.screenrc and these will launch with screen when a
new session is started.
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1320 [12:21:02] <niab> i want an app to run automatically on
startup and at all times in the background and preferably i want to
attach to its console any time
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1323 [12:21:27] <jstolare1> when I log into console I get last
login date and result of running `uname -a` - how do I disable that?
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1326 [12:21:53] <jstolarek> I was thinking motd service is
responsible for that
1327 [12:22:08] <jstolarek> but I disabled it and see no change
1328 [12:22:11] <at0m> niab: oh, look:
replaced-url
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1331 [12:22:49] <niab> ah lol its nothing new, thanks at0m
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1344 [12:27:22] <niab> hmm screenrc and crontab @reboot gonna be
the winner
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1354 [12:31:15] <celyr> @reboot is always the winner
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1362 [12:32:16] <celyr> duck duck go :P really ? I mean they have
like 20 indexed pages ?
1363 [12:32:28] <niab> at0m likes anonimity
1364 [12:32:59] <celyr> use tor and google ? :)
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1366 [12:33:10] <Azrael_-> too slow?
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1369 [12:33:18] <niab> not a good mix cos u spend ur life filling
out captchas
1370 [12:33:24] <celyr> better than no result ? :)
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1372 [12:33:47] <niab> well yea i also dont bother with duckduckgo
cos of the poor results
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1429 [12:55:36] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
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1455 [13:07:42] <ddybing> Hi! This may be a stupid question, but
is it possible to send data to a init.d script, other than
start/stop/restart etc?
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1458 [13:09:27] <jelly> ddybing: anything is possible. What are
you really trying to accomplish?
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1461 [13:09:32] <jelly> !goal
1462 [13:09:32] <dpkg> Describe your goal, not what you think the
solution is.
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1464 [13:10:03] <teraflop> ddybing: read the script and see
whether it accepts more params or don't, but it looks to me
youre experiencing an xy
1465 [13:10:15] <bazhang> jelly, any new factoids on deck for the
debian dropping ftp
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1467 [13:11:23] <teraflop> or it doesnt^, do not blame me, my
english is rubbish
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1475 [13:15:37] <ddybing> jelly: Thanks. OK, this may seem dumb,
but I have a PXE server and I use iPXE to create the interface and
boot options. What I really want to do is pass data that the users
enters in iPXE to the kernel, and I've been looking at
initscript.
1476 [13:16:01] <ddybing> I was just wondering if it supports
other commands than start/stop/restart etc or if that depends on the
script itself
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1480 [13:18:00] <coke> bazhang: what kind of factoid do you
expect?
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1482 [13:18:16] <ddybing> Actually, I may just have found what I
was looking for:)
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1484 [13:18:52] <worldsbestattack> hey al
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1487 [13:19:04] <BanHammor> hiya! Is it possible to build a rootfs
with debootstrap that has a dud kernel or no kernel at all?
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1491 [13:20:28] <BanHammor> i want to create a debian distro for
our embedded board, and we want to write the kernel to SPI Flash
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1554 [13:56:26] <truussaw2> hi everybody, are there any specific
settings i have to configure when using debina under HYPER-V
(win10)?
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1558 [13:57:49] <ksk> truussaw2: I would assume no. otherwise
hypver-v would be bad, ay? ;)
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1560 [13:58:06] <truussaw2> yeah :)
1561 [13:58:11] <truussaw2> debian is running fine
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1563 [13:58:26] <truussaw2> but for example when i start a freshly
installed KALI linux vm, the vm freezes :( any ideas?
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1565 [13:58:38] <ksk> I dont know about things like
"clipboard integration" and stuff that for example
Virtualbox has..
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1567 [13:58:47] <ksk> !tell truussaw2 about based on debian
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1569 [13:59:20] <truussaw2> i know its based on debian :D
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1574 [14:01:18] <ksk> so why do you ask? :)
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1576 [14:02:05] <teraflop> truussaw2: vm? since there are several
hypervisors _vm_ is meaningless
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1581 [14:04:07] <teraflop> truussaw2: and make yourself sure is
not pebcack since I dont see why a linux vm guest failing to boot is
related to debian being the host (unless you give detailed
information)
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1584 [14:05:26] <truussaw2> ok
1585 [14:05:55] <truussaw2> i see your answers wont help solving
my issues, bye ill ask in the kali channel
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1588 [14:06:23] <mcon> Can someone point me to the right (current)
documentation to troubleshoot audio for debian-testing? I am unable
to make it work.
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1592 [14:07:16] <ee> Hey boyz. I just switched graphic card and
re-installed Jessie debian, and now it seems like I can't use 2
monitors? I downgraded from GTX780 to GTX660ti and with 780 there
was no problem using dual screens. Anyone can help me with this
issue? I have noidea where to start.
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1599 [14:11:31] <mdk> ee: start with nvidia-detect?
1600 [14:11:44] <ee> What is nvidia-detect?
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1605 [14:12:31] <mdk> ee:
replaced-url
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1609 [14:14:39] <ee> I do not wish to install any non-free
firmware. Isn't there anyway without? Never needed non-free
firmware before so..
1610 [14:15:39] <mdk> ee: There's probably a way without, yep
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1612 [14:16:06] <ee> That's the spirit. Do you know this way?
:)
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1852 [15:17:53] <davidebeatrici_> Has someone got any ideas?
1853 [15:18:07] <T6> clear
1854 [15:18:28] <T6> whops wrong window
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1923 [15:33:00] <Doldge> Hey, is anyone aware of an issue with
gnome-keyring/seahorse in Debian Stretch? I'm getting errors in
my logs on a fresh(-ish) install; link:
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1927 [15:34:49] <tadapa> Hello. My question is related to the
package "firefox" from unstable. I just found out that i
can activate DRM content. How can it be in our main repostitory.
Isn't it non-free software?
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1946 [15:42:37] <bb> kfdsjfhsjdf
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1966 [15:49:27] <jhutchins_wk> Doldge: The code for firefox is
open source/free according to the DFSG. The ability to display
non-free content doesn't affect the license of the code.
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1969 [15:50:33] <Iridos> not as simple, the code for that is
closed source from adobe… I guess it's automatically
downloaded and installed in the user dir when he "enables"
it, though
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1971 [15:50:41] <tadapa> jhutchins_wk: but doesn't DRM
content require a blob?
1972 [15:50:43] <dontknow> i heard pocket addon comes with firefox
is non-free. how come it is in debian?
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1975 [15:51:01] <Iridos> and so I'd say "then just
don't do that"
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1977 [15:51:38] <Iridos> the about last relevant bug for this is
#837091 I guess… well, more the links therein
1978 [15:51:39] <judd> Bug
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1979 [15:51:43] <babilen> dontknow: Where exactly is it "in
Debian" ?
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1981 [15:52:02] <dontknow> in debian main
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1983 [15:52:24] <babilen> dontknow: Where *exactly* ? It's
hard to check if I have to search through the entirety of main.
1984 [15:52:59] <dontknow> i use backported firefox latest version
and it has pocket addon
1985 [15:53:14] <tadapa> I was just thinking if firefox should
probably be in contrib
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1987 [15:53:36] <dontknow> i think it is also the case that
firefox esr has that addon
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1993 [15:55:44] <tadapa> can't find it in firefox-esr but I
found iTunes Application Detector and OpenH264 with are deactivated
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1996 [15:56:03] <babilen> dontknow: Which file would that be? I
see /usr/lib/firefox/browser/features/firefox@getpocket.com.xpi
1997 [15:56:21] <cxeq> any ideas why a rpi might become full on
ram and swap after 30 minutes inactive, with no ram usage over 1%
showing in htop
1998 [15:56:22] <Azrael_-> hi, i've added the backports for
jessie as repository. sometimes "apt-get update" offers me
updates from bpo for packages although those packages aren't
installed from bpo (according to "apt-cache policy
<package>"). why could this be and how could i further
analyze this?
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2005 [15:57:02] <dontknow> babilen, i don2t know. but i see it on
the gui
2006 [15:57:15] <babilen> Azrael: Reposted as
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2008 [15:57:31] <babilen> dontknow: And you are sure that it is
distributed with Debian and not downloaded by firefox?
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2010 [15:58:02] <dontknow> no
2011 [15:58:07] <Iridos> a software that loads and installs a
proprietary blob but is itself fully open source doesn't need
to be in contrib, as you don't need anything proprietary to
build it
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2014 [15:59:10] <Iridos> else you'd end up with
insanity… wget can load proprietary stuff from the net,
too… where to stop
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2017 [16:00:03] <tadapa> yes, but it doesn't do it by default
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2020 [16:00:36] <Iridos> you said yourself "I *can* activate
[it]"
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2022 [16:00:49] <babilen> Azrael_-: Do you have any pinning or did
you set a default release? I'd also recommend to use
ftp.fr.debian.org as mirror rather than ftp.debian.org
2023 [16:01:05] <babilen> (or deb.debian.org)
2024 [16:01:12] <Azrael_-> babilen: neither pinned, nor set
anything specific
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2027 [16:01:26] <Iridos> and I can give wget an url with
proprietary binary software
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2030 [16:01:53] <Azrael_-> babilen: i thought i was already using
ftp.fr.debian.org ....
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2032 [16:02:19] <babilen> Azrael_-: "replaced-url
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2034 [16:02:44] <Azrael_-> oh right, forgot the backports. ok
modifying
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2038 [16:04:46] <tadapa> I just was confused about. Thanks for
clarifying
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2042 [16:06:04] <Azrael_-> babilen: any ideas regarding the
problem itself?
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2047 [16:07:01] <cxeq> I afk for 30 mins and come back to this ...
replaced-url
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2049 [16:07:24] <cxeq> and frozen pi
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2051 [16:07:34] <cxeq> dont understand it, there's nothing
taking up usage?
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2053 [16:08:38] <ee> Hey boyz. I just switched graphic card and
re-installed Jessie debian, and now it seems like I can't use 2
monitors? I downgraded from GTX780 to GTX660ti and with 780 there
was no problem using dual screens. Anyone can help me with this
issue? I have noidea where to start. I do not wish to install
non-free firmware.
2054 [16:09:13] <greycat> If "I do not wish to install
non-free firmware" is the most important goal then you have to
select hardware that will allow that goal to be possible.
2055 [16:10:27] <babilen> Azrael_-: Not right away .. Did anything
change now that you use ftp.fr ?
2056 [16:11:07] <Azrael_-> babilen: the error only occurs about
2-3x a day each for 5-15 minutes, currently it isn't the case
and i'll wait until it shows up again
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2058 [16:11:45] <babilen> Azrael_-: So you do *not* see that
problem after having switched to ftp.fr and the candidates are no
longer from backports?
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2062 [16:12:15] <Azrael_-> babilen: currently i don't see it
any more. but this was already the case since several hours
2063 [16:12:17] <greycat> He's saying he has to wait 24 hours
to know if the problem is still here.
2064 [16:12:34] <greycat> err, 12 hours. 2-3x per day.
2065 [16:13:18] <babilen> Azrael_-: Does that happen independently
from you running "apt update" or commands/programs that
have a similar effect?
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2069 [16:14:42] <Azrael_-> babilen: my management-sofware
(ispconfig) runs "apt-get update" multiple times an hour
and i monitor the apt-update-status using nagios, that's why i
even saw this issue. otherwise i would have never seen it
2070 [16:15:23] <babilen> What else does it do?
2071 [16:15:45] <Azrael_-> manage the configuration for
web/mail/db-servers
2072 [16:16:08] <babilen> To investigate this further I would stop
any changes to the system from happened when you run into it and
take a look at the respective files in /var/lib/apt/lists/
2073 [16:16:48] <Azrael_-> "look at the respective
files"? any more hints what i should look out for?
2074 [16:16:50] <babilen> It might very well be that ispconfig
tinkers with the priorities, but that's hard to find out now
that you cannot reproduce the issue at the moment
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2076 [16:17:12] <babilen> Azrael_-: The backports Release file in
particular
2077 [16:17:14] <Azrael_-> no, ispconfig doesn't tinker with
anything regarding the package-sources
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2079 [16:17:37] <babilen> It runs "apt-get update" ...
so it does tinker with it
2080 [16:17:51] <greycat> If I'm reading this right, he runs
apt-get update FIFTY TIMES A DAY and occasionally it fails. And he
seems to think this is a problem.
2081 [16:17:52] <babilen> It might or it might not be related
2082 [16:18:34] <babilen> greycat: The suite priorities
shouldn't change though
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2086 [16:19:15] <Azrael_-> greycat: and even if it failed or if i
ran it 1k times, it should still show me the same list of packages
which is available for updates
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2089 [16:19:30] <Azrael_-> -updates +upgrades
2090 [16:19:42] <greycat> That's nonsensical. If it fails
then the source that failed is no longer part of your available
packages.
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2094 [16:20:07] <Azrael_-> greycat: interesting point
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2096 [16:20:44] <greycat> It's not designed to be run more
than 1-2 times per day.
2097 [16:20:51] <Azrael_-> but then i ran "apt-get
update" manually i was still shown the same list of packages
for upgrades
2098 [16:21:00] <greycat> Because it worked.
2099 [16:21:07] <greycat> Once it works, you are back into a sane
state.
2100 [16:21:37] <greycat> If it fails, then you wait a few minutes
and try again, and you don't expect any other apt commands to
work until update works.
2101 [16:21:48] <greycat> Once you've got an update for
today, you STOP RUNNING IT.
2102 [16:21:58] <babilen> It's perfectly fine to run it more
often and the suite priorities shouldn't change.
jessie-backports should still have "NotAutomatic: true"
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2104 [16:22:47] <babilen> It is also not clear as to how it
"fails" exactly
2105 [16:22:57] <greycat> yeah, that would be good to know
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2107 [16:23:12] <ee> greycat: sorry for late respons. What kind of
hardware do I need? How old nvidia cards is it that really works?
Are we talking like 8xxx series or what?
2108 [16:23:21] <greycat> !nvidia
2109 [16:23:22] <dpkg> Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing
units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on
Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary
"nvidia" driver, see
replaced-url
2110 [16:23:24] <babilen> So far I understood "the
error" as "messed up priorities that install from
backports by default"
2111 [16:23:35] <greycat> If you can find a list somewhere on that
wiki page, or from a linked page, well, good luck.
2112 [16:23:57] <ee> Aight, thanks.
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2116 [16:25:49] <Azrael_-> babilen: in my paste you can see 43
packages, which are offered for upgrade from backport although they
are installed from stable. i didn't run "apt-cache policy
<packagename>" for all 43 of them, just some as example.
or do you lack something else?
2117 [16:26:42] <babilen> Azrael_-: No, but that's what I
understood as "the error" that you referred to earlier. So
far I assumed (maybe wrongly) that your "apt-get update"
runs returned successfully.
2118 [16:26:51] <greycat> But that was from the past? And your
automatic insane thing has run apt-get update 37 times in a row
since then and the lists have been changed?
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2120 [16:27:00] <babilen> And, as said earlier, even if they
failed you shouldn't end up with packages from backports by
default
2121 [16:27:26] <babilen> As the situation is no longer
reproducable there is little we can do that investigate the issue
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2123 [16:27:39] <babilen> That's why I said that you should
stop any changes from happening
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2125 [16:27:43] <Azrael_-> babilen: when this "error"
occurs i also ran "apt-get update" manually multiple times
and it finished successfully but the situations didn't change
2126 [16:27:46] <Azrael_-> k
2127 [16:27:49] <greycat> *sigh*
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2129 [16:28:03] <greycat> Are you in the undesired state RIGHT
NOW?
2130 [16:28:08] <Azrael_-> no
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2133 [16:28:48] <Azrael_-> i've got 3 virtual machines which
randomly get into this undesired state. as soon as i'm in it i
will take action
2134 [16:30:17] <babilen> Azrael_-: Hence the suggestion to wait
for it to happen, stop *all* changes and investigate then
2135 [16:30:30] <Azrael_-> will do, thanks :)
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2137 [16:30:42] <babilen> It shouldn't happen
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2139 [16:30:49] <babilen> So .. something is off
2140 [16:31:15] <Azrael_-> i just LOVE such situations :(
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2144 [16:32:20] <greycat> "I'm taking a long car trip. I
want to have the latest maps, always. So every 50 miles, I tear up
my current maps and throw them out the window, then pull off at the
next exit and buy maps in the first gas station I see. But sometimes
that gas station has no map."
2145 [16:32:24] <babilen> Azrael_-: fwiw, I haven't seen that
on any of the many VMs I get into contact with and .. well ..
ispconfig just screams "guilty" to me right now ;)
2146 [16:32:46] <bobbix> Hi i need help for configuring routing
into my virtual debian server to reach my network from internet
using openvpn. I can connect successfull to debian server but i dont
ping any other computer on lan.
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2148 [16:33:11] <Azrael_-> greycat: if i knew how to change the
default behaviour of ispconfig i would do, but for now i first want
to understand what is wrong
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2150 [16:33:33] <bobbix> Debian opnvpn network is on 10.8.0.0 pool
address and my lan is on 192.168.1.0 pool address instead.
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2152 [16:33:57] <bobbix> anyone can help me to see other pc on
network ? Thanks.
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2154 [16:34:50] <babilen> Azrael_-: Does it happen on all VMs at
the same time?
2155 [16:34:57] <babilen> What are the invariants?
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2160 [16:36:37] <Azrael_-> babilen: unfortunately not, 2 of them
sometimes seem to be equal, but not always, number 3 also chimes in
sometimes but i haven't seen a pattern yet
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2162 [16:36:55] <babilen> And they all run ispconfig?
2163 [16:37:08] <Azrael_-> yes, they're set up as equal as i
could
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2170 [16:37:55] <babilen> Right, I'd wait for it to happen
and investigate then. You could also disable ispconfig on one box
and see if you can reproduce on there also.
2171 [16:37:59] <babilen> (and so on)
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2176 [16:40:01] <Azrael_-> will do
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2192 [16:51:07] <ponyofdeath> anyone getting the watts out from
apsupsd?
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2197 [16:51:52] <greycat> do you mean apcupsd?
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2203 [16:52:52] <greycat> Which field to you think is supposed to
have "watts"?
2204 [16:53:04] <jungeblagen> how do i livepatch in debian?
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2206 [16:53:39] <babilen> jungeblagen: I guess in the same manner
as on all other distributions
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2211 [16:55:54] <jhutchins_wk> ,v ntp
2212 [16:55:55] <judd> Package: ntp on amd64 -- wheezy:
1:4.2.6.p5+dfsg-2+deb7u6; wheezy-security: 1:4.2.6.p5+dfsg-2+deb7u7;
jessie: 1:4.2.6.p5+dfsg-7+deb8u2; jessie-security:
1:4.2.6.p5+dfsg-7+deb8u2; sid: 1:4.2.8p10+dfsg-1; stretch:
1:4.2.8p10+dfsg-1; experimental: 1:4.2.8p10+dfsg-1+exp1
2213 [16:56:18] <cxeq> how can I figure out what is opening a
dhclient eth0 process every 30 seconds or so despite me being on
wlan
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2217 [16:57:09] <greycat> Are you using NetworkManager, or
/etc/network/interfaces, or both?
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2226 [16:59:48] <basic6_> after logging in with xrdp, there's
a blank desktop, one color only, no menus or anything. all session
contents seem to be invisible. any advice?
2227 [16:59:55] <jungeblagen> next question: how do i dedicate a
processing unit for real-timely executing a specific application
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2233 [17:01:38] <cxeq> greycat: is there a way I can check if I am
using networkmanager? I think I am only using /e/n/i but want to
make sure
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2252 [17:08:54] <cxeq> do i REALLY just have to write a cron
script to pkill -n dhclient every 5 minutes? that seems so stupid
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2255 [17:09:19] <greycat> That would indeed be stupid. The damage
is already done. You need to find out who's spawning it, if you
don't want it.
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2258 [17:10:53] <jhutchins_wk> cxeq: Are you spawning and
accumulating new processes, or is the process re-spawning
frequently?
2259 [17:11:21] <cxeq> spawning and accumulating until i
eventually run out of ram
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2262 [17:13:21] <cxeq> im 99% sure i'm not using
networkmanager at all
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2266 [17:16:54] <greycat> And you didn't enable any of those
crazy optional systemd things? I don't even know all of them.
Just that they keep appearing.
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2269 [17:17:16] <jhutchins_wk> cxeq: systemctl status
NetworkManager.service
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2271 [17:17:33] <jhutchins_wk> cxeq: Or systemctl --type=service
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2299 [17:33:50] <jelly> andyreplaced-url
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2304 [17:36:39] <jhutchins_wk> cxeq: Then I presume dpkg -l
network-manager does not show it installed. What about wicd?
2305 [17:37:16] <cxeq> wicd is running but net-man is not
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2308 [17:37:45] <cxeq> wicd daemon and monitor are running
2309 [17:37:53] <ikonia> I told you, backup the mdadm config
2310 [17:38:04] <Iridos> NetworkManager should ignore any
interfaces that are configured in /etc/network/interfaces
anyway… at least that's what it did/does on my system(s)
2311 [17:38:41] <cxeq> yea it should
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2334 [17:52:18] <jhutchins_wk> cxeq: wicd is what's causing
the problem.
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2339 [17:53:05] <cxeq> ok, is wicd similar to network manager
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2344 [17:56:03] <jhutchins_wk> cxeq: Yes, it manages network
connections. For several releases, NM has been the preferred, more
reliable app.
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2346 [17:56:21] <cxeq> ok, I am running raspbian, that may be why
it's active?
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2348 [17:56:50] <jhutchins_wk> cxeq: We have no idea what the
defaults are in raspian.
2349 [17:57:00] <jhutchins_wk> !raspian
2350 [17:57:01] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on
Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian
is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use
#raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support.
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2352 [17:57:38] <jhutchins_wk> cxeq: If you have a static
configuration in intergfaces, you need to disable wicd.
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2356 [17:58:38] <cxeq> ok, how can I do that safely
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2358 [17:58:59] <greycat> By asking #raspbian
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2390 [18:13:52] <maartinex> Hello guys, how can assaign variables
while reading lines from a file ? lets say i grep a line and i
assigned it to a variable in while loop but how can i use that
variable outside the while loop ?
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2401 [18:19:18] <n0m_> does anyone know where i can get in touch
with somebody who knows about the "at" utility?
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2403 [18:19:42] <moldy> hi
2404 [18:19:51] <moldy> how do i (reinstall) the mysql init
script?
2405 [18:19:58] <n0m_> i'm trying to build from sources and
am going down the rabbit hole of manual dependency resolution, which
is making me rethink my approach
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2412 [18:25:27] <jhutchins_wk> n0m_: Why?
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2414 [18:25:46] <n0m_> building at for a satellite
2415 [18:25:55] <n0m_> needed to strip some features to keep it
light
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2417 [18:26:43] <n0m_> no need for a mailbox when nobody has
console access :)
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2420 [18:27:36] <jelly> moldy: which debian release? It's
probably easier to restore it from backups.
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2426 [18:29:23] <jhutchins_wk> n0m_: I would think there would be
something that identifies where the code is maintained.
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2428 [18:32:35] <jelly> n0m_: easier to install all the build-deps
first
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2440 [18:42:23] <n0m_> jelly: Good call. The weird thing is that
the source I have includes "lisp.h", which is a local and
not a system header
2441 [18:42:34] <n0m_> so i'm not sure whose lisp.h I'm
meant to be using
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2445 [18:44:42] <moldy> jelly: don't have one :)
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2447 [18:45:00] <moldy> jelly: or in fact, i ran into this problem
while trying to restore an sql backup onto a brand new machine
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2449 [18:45:14] <moldy> jelly: but i solved it now, thanks
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2458 [18:47:55] <n0m_> <EOF>
2459 [18:47:58] <n0m_> shit
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2494 [19:02:25] <shellclear> hi guys, I set chmod g+s for a dir
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2496 [19:03:34] <greycat> ... congratulations?
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2500 [19:04:50] <shellclear> and it seems to work fine but when I
move a file from a directory outsite to into it the group arent
change
2501 [19:04:58] <greycat> Of course not.
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2504 [19:05:24] <greycat> setgid only affects files that are newly
created inside the directory
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2506 [19:05:57] <hid3> Hello. How do I blacklist kernel modules
(on Debian 9)?
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2509 [19:07:37] <missmbob> put a file in /etc/modprobe.d/ with
"blacklist modulename" (no quotes)
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2511 [19:08:57] <hid3> a single file or a separate file for each
module?
2512 [19:09:27] <missmbob> whatever you want
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2514 [19:09:56] <hid3> great, thanks
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2521 [19:13:10] <johannix> I foolishly removed Python from Debian
and now my environment is messed up. Was wondering what package
needs to be installed to get the default login screen back. Right
now my login screen is bare bones and I've been switched over
to xfce from Gnome.
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2523 [19:13:22] <teraflop> hid3: a file per module looks like
better idea, for obvious reasons
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2526 [19:13:42] <greycat> maybe not so obvious to me...
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2528 [19:14:15] <greycat> "One file per entity" would be
my first thought. Where "entity" is, like, a package, or a
project, or a specific problem you are solving.
2529 [19:14:35] <greycat> If solving a problem involves
blacklisting 3 modules, I'd put them all in one file.
2530 [19:14:42] <teraflop> greycat: well you can put e.g blacklist
nouveau and blacklist ath0k on the same file called lollipop
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2532 [19:15:02] <greycat> That sounds like two separate
problems/projects.
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2536 [19:17:23] <teraflop> yeah but it seems I have lag, I wrote
my last line without reading yours
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2538 [19:18:04] <hid3> all modules in one file looks better and
more comfortable to me
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2540 [19:18:17] <hid3> you open up a file, see what's in
there, and either remove, or add what's required
2541 [19:18:43] <teraflop> hid3: fair enough but what greycat
pointed makes sense
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2562 [19:25:20] <scotwolf> hej guys,
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2564 [19:25:31] <scotwolf> I got a short question, tomorrow my new
ryzen setup will arrive
2565 [19:25:54] <scotwolf> And I want to install debian jessie on
it, is it correct I have to add backports in order to install the
4.10 kernel to have full ryzen support?
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2569 [19:27:12] <missmbob> jessie-backports only has 4.9
2570 [19:27:15] <TomTomTo1> no, only 4.9. and it will stay that
way until after the stretch release.
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2574 [19:28:40] <scotwolf> Okee but is 4.9 sufficient for ryzen?
2575 [19:28:58] <missmbob> you'll want to compile 4.10
yourself
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2577 [19:29:24] <missmbob> scotwolf:
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2578 [19:29:24] <scotwolf> aha, and stretch(testing) is also on
4.9
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2580 [19:29:31] <scotwolf> thanks missmbob
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2590 [19:33:41] <shellclear> greycat: thnks for help me. do you
know how i can do this to work?
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2593 [19:34:19] <greycat> Do what? Write a cron job to chgrp every
file in /foo/bar every hour?
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2622 [19:50:34] <davidebeatrici_>
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2624 [19:50:57] <dataeng88> On current Debian release, what is
simplest way to do simple port forwarding?
2625 [19:50:57] <davidebeatrici_> Is there a way to troubleshoot
the driver load failure?
2626 [19:51:14] <dataeng88> Do I apt-get install iptables? Or is
there a simpler solution?
2627 [19:51:50] <greycat> iptables sounds like the most
appropriate choice
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2630 [19:52:15] <greycat> Unless your problem has very specific
needs, in which case you should say what they are.
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2648 [20:00:10] <kalipso> does the debian netinstall disk let you
choose a desktop enviroment?
2649 [20:00:23] <dataeng88> @greycat: thanks! iptables it is
2650 [20:00:55] <greycat> yes
2651 [20:01:00] <DoctorD90> hello! im in some issue. Im installing
for 2nd time the system, but at grub it gives error
2652 [20:01:09] <DoctorD90> kalipso, yes
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2659 [20:02:26] <DoctorD90> my system is EFI, I disabled secure
boot. I parted in that way: EFI, /boot /(enc) /home(enc). Now it
tells that it failed to run upgrade-grub
2660 [20:02:32] <DoctorD90> any suggets?
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2662 [20:02:50] <DoctorD90> (maybe open a terminal from
netinstaller directly
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2685 [20:17:07] <netw1z> hey guys how can I upgrade from Python
2.7.3 to Python 2.7.9 on debian 7.5 ?
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2688 [20:17:45] <greycat> I would suggest you compile it yourself,
not using a Debian package.
2689 [20:18:04] <greycat> Debian's *very* sensitive to
changes in its /usr/bin/perl and /usr/bin/python.
2690 [20:18:18] <greycat> Best to put your local preferred version
in /usr/local or /opt
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2693 [20:20:29] <netw1z> gotcha - is there a guide for that?
2694 [20:20:52] <greycat> If so, it would be a Python guide, not a
Debian guide.
2695 [20:22:17] <n4dir> aren't for both languages solutions
to install it to the users home ? (perlbrew and virtualenv, or such)
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2697 [20:22:46] <greycat> You could ask #python
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2699 [20:23:23] <jelly> virtualenv is not for python interpreter
itself, but modules only
2700 [20:23:37] <DoctorD90> jelly grub problem again
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2705 [20:24:10] <jelly> DoctorD90: please don't highlight
just me, ask the whole channel.
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2707 [20:24:28] <jelly> if you want specific help from me, I can
give you a quote
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2709 [20:24:54] <DoctorD90> sorry jelly :P it was because you
"already" know the problem :P
2710 [20:25:06] <greycat> "I'll be back." ... oh,
not that kind of quote.
2711 [20:25:08] <jelly> starting at $90/hr
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2713 [20:25:45] <jelly> !ask
2714 [20:25:46] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For
example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian
version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I
expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if
anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all
volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get
an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org.
See <smart questions><errors>.
2715 [20:25:47] <DoctorD90> ahahah
2716 [20:25:54] <DoctorD90> btw, sure.
2717 [20:26:13] <n4dir> jelly: not as far i understand it: "
The virtualenv utility creates virtual Python instances, each
invokable
2718 [20:26:13] <n4dir> with its own Python executable."
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2720 [20:26:43] <DoctorD90> I installed for 2nd time from
netinstall. At grub point it asked me to install in removable path.
It runned grub-install dummy, then at upgrade-grub it failed
2721 [20:26:46] <shazbotmcnasty> Hey there, I'm using issues
with 'X -configure' saying 'no devices to
configure'. I'm using Jessie. I'm using nouveau
drivers, as I've had no luck whatsoever adding a new mode with
the proprietary drivers.
2722 [20:26:52] <jelly> n4dir: it doesn't invent a bin/python
out of thin air
2723 [20:27:03] <DoctorD90> i paste you
2724 [20:27:12] <n4dir> iirc you have to compile it.
2725 [20:27:16] <DoctorD90> syslog:
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2727 [20:27:28] <shazbotmcnasty> I succeeded finally in adding my
resolution in xrandr, but I can't add it to X.conf to keep the
resolution after reboot.
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2734 [20:29:22] <n4dir> " ... This creates a copy of Python
in whichever directory you ran the command in, placing it in a
folder named my_project."
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2748 [20:35:19] <BlackFox> As someone who doesn't do a lot of
linux, I need some help fixing a debian issue. Specifically
"dhclient: 5 bad udp checksums in 5 packets"
2749 [20:35:22] <spacebug^> Trying to install Debian on my
"Asus VivoMini UN45H". I have trouble with black screen
when trying to load gnome. I can't see if there is any error in
Xorg.log, here it is
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2756 [20:36:55] <BlackFox> I tried the obvious iptables solution
that comes up when googling ($ipt -a postrouting -t mangle -p udp
--dport 67 -j checksum --checksum-fill), but it doesn't really
do anything
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2758 [20:37:31] <missmbob> BlackFox: iptables help is in
#netfilter
2759 [20:37:43] <BlackFox> I need help with dhclient, not iptables
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2761 [20:37:59] <BlackFox> I'm running debian under Hyper-V
and DHCP packets get bad checksums
2762 [20:38:21] <BlackFox> So the server can never really get a
DHCP address
2763 [20:38:39] <BlackFox> Sometimes by the stroke of luck the
checksum will be actually zero so it'll accept the packet and
get the address
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2766 [20:39:44] <BlackFox> Just wondering if there's anything
specific I could update to fix this bug
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2777 [20:47:10] <dontknow> aliens
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2792 [20:57:45] <davidebeatrici_> jhutchins_wk: Are you online?
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2795 [20:58:23] <davidebeatrici_> I tried with the
"nomodeset" parameter
2796 [20:58:33] <davidebeatrici_> Now there aren't any
providers in xrandr
2797 [20:59:47] <davidebeatrici_>
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2811 [21:04:23] <davidebeatrici_> Just tried with
"i915.modeset=0"
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2813 [21:04:35] <davidebeatrici_> [ 8.406922] snd_hda_intel
0000:00:03.0: failed to add i915 component master (-19)
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2815 [21:04:47] <davidebeatrici_> And I see only one provider in
xrandr
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2842 [21:23:53] <davidebeatrici_> Finally I managed to fix it!
2843 [21:24:01] <davidebeatrici_>
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2844 [21:24:06] <jhutchins_wk> davidebeatrici_: Hey, good work!
2845 [21:24:06] <davidebeatrici_> xrandr --output VGA1 --auto
--right-of DVI-1
2846 [21:24:16] <davidebeatrici_> jhutchins_wk: Thank you very
much!
2847 [21:24:33] <davidebeatrici_> Do you think I should put this
in the Debian wiki?
2848 [21:24:58] <jhutchins_wk> BlackFox: Which release?
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2851 [21:25:27] <jhutchins_wk> spacebug^: Look for EE in the Xorg
log.
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2856 [21:27:16] <spacebug^> jhutchins_wk: thanks, I have already
got help in #debian on OFTC. I needed to upgrade kernel, libdrm and
xserver-xorg-video-intel from backports
2857 [21:27:21] <jhutchins_wk> davidebeatrici_: It wouldn't
hurt to at least blog it somewhere.
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2860 [21:28:50] <davidebeatrici_> jhutchins_wk: I would like to
add it to
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2862 [21:29:04] <boser> question : Debian Jessie use Xorg or a
other X-System?
2863 [21:29:29] <greycat> Jessie uses Xorg. Stretch is doing some
Wayland stuff, I think.
2864 [21:29:31] <boser> How can i find it out?
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2866 [21:29:47] <boser> greycat: thx
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2868 [21:30:07] <BillKGR> greycat, I am on stretch and Xorg is the
default
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2872 [21:31:05] <boser> thx, BillKGR
2873 [21:31:43] <davidebeatrici_> jhutchins_wk: Oh, it's
already explained
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2877 [21:32:06] <davidebeatrici_> Maybe I should specify that the
name isn't always "Intel"
2878 [21:32:29] <davidebeatrici_> Is there a safe way to switch
from X.Org to Wayland on Stretch?
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2892 [21:37:08] <s33_> My server is using /etc/network/interfaces
but when I install network-manager it overrides it somehow and my
network stops functioning how do I network manager to mimic the
current settings or ignore to override current settings?
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2898 [21:39:49] <mutante> !network-manager
2899 [21:39:49] <dpkg> NetworkManager is a network management
framework daemon. See /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian
for setup instructions and ask me about <nm unmanaged>.
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2978 [22:28:52] <jhutchins_wk> !wayland
2979 [22:28:52] <dpkg> Wayland is a display server protocol and
implementation library, intended as a simpler replacement for the X
Window System. Ask me about <weston>.
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2980 [22:29:31] <jhutchins_wk> s33_: What release are you on?
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2997 [22:34:32] <JLye> Feedback please -
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3008 [22:37:31] <netw1z> im trying to install python 2.7.9 from
source but it's giving me an error that bits arent found and i
cant find the bits?
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3012 [22:38:24] <greycat> You probably want to install a bunch of
*-dev packages.
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3014 [22:38:56] <greycat> For example, try apt-cache search
--names-only readline dev
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3016 [22:39:25] <moldy> netw1z: note that this is a warning, not
an error. the build was successful, i think
3017 [22:39:38] <greycat> Try to guess which package is the one
that will let you compile modules that use readline, then repeat for
each of the other missing "bits".
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3020 [22:40:08] <moldy> netw1z: so if you don't need those
modules, you can ignore the error.
3021 [22:40:17] <greycat> That too.
3022 [22:40:27] <netw1z> i dont think i need them but then Make
install fails
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3024 [22:40:44] <moldy> netw1z: then the error from make install
would be interesting
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3026 [22:41:27] <netw1z> i get: make: *** [libinstall] Error 1
3027 [22:41:30] <moldy> netw1z: "apt-get build-dep
python" might be a cheap way to get what you need, btw
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3030 [22:42:09] <greycat> netw1z: the *whole* error, not just the
final line of it
3031 [22:42:10] <moldy> netw1z: we need to see more, give us the
last 200 lines or such, please not pastebin.com, dpaste.de,
dpaste.com are fine
3032 [22:42:29] <greycat> paste.debian.net is preferred, but
others are acceptable, except hastebin, or pastebin.com
3033 [22:42:48] <moldy> greycat: ahh, thanks :)
3034 [22:43:04] <netw1z> k!
3035 [22:43:49] <netw1z> by the way @moldy
replaced-url
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3039 [22:44:46] <greycat> That's not a good sign.
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3041 [22:45:26] <greycat> Are you mixing releases?
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3043 [22:45:36] <Besi> hi when comes Debian 9 release date ?????
3044 [22:45:42] <greycat> Whenever it's ready.
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3046 [22:46:34] <Besi> But before coming out after version 8.8?
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3048 [22:46:44] <greycat> There is no fixed timeline for releases.
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3050 [22:46:56] <netw1z> im on a Linode
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3053 [22:47:43] <netw1z> says: My Debian 7.5 Profile (Latest 64
bit (4.9.15-x86_64-linode81))
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3057 [22:48:05] <greycat> Does your sources.list include deb-src
lines that are not from wheezy?
3058 [22:48:14] <netw1z> so i grabbed the python 2.7.9 from
python.org and was trying to compile it (so i can get SNI /SSL
going)
3059 [22:48:47] <netw1z> checking
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3064 [22:49:38] <greycat> By the way, Debian 7.5 is not the
"Latest" Debian release, though it may be the latest image
offered by your hosting provider.
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3067 [22:50:18] <netw1z> here is the:
replaced-url
3068 [22:50:20] <netw1z> i have
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3070 [22:50:49] <greycat> Ah, you have a deb-src line that says
"stable" instead of wheezy.
3071 [22:50:49] <netw1z> gotcha, yeah thats the highest level
Linode has to install
3072 [22:50:55] <greycat> So yes, a potential problem there.
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3080 [22:53:02] <greycat> (Your apt-get build-dep was trying to
satisfy the build deps of the JESSIE version of python, not the
wheezy version. Because of your jessie deb-src lines.)
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3084 [22:53:38] <netw1z> gotcha @greycat - can i change it to
wheezy?
3085 [22:53:57] <greycat> Yes, I would.
3086 [22:54:12] <greycat> I'm sure that's what they
intended when they set it up originally.
3087 [22:54:59] <greycat> I don't even think non-US exists
any more.
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3089 [22:55:05] <greycat> !non-us
3090 [22:55:06] <dpkg> Non-US is where we placed software
previously unable to hosted within the USA. Changes in legislation
mean that post-<Woody>, there is no non-US, so you don't
need it for Sarge, Etch, Lenny, Squeeze, Wheezy or Sid. Ask me about
<crypto> and <crypto in main>. Old non-US packages (for
slink, potato, woody) are at archive.debian.org.
replaced-url
3091 [22:55:39] <greycat> dpkg, non-us =~ s/or Sid/or later/
3092 [22:55:39] <dpkg> OK, greycat
3093 [22:55:48] <netw1z> so what do I change to get it to point to
Jessie?
3094 [22:56:03] <greycat> What, the entire OS? To upgrade from
wheezy to jessie? /msg dpkg wheezy->jessie
3095 [22:56:08] <netw1z> i want jessie instead of wheeezy to build
python 2.7.9 on this old Debian?
3096 [22:56:26] <greycat> If you upgrade to jessie, you will
simply *have* python 2.7.9 and you won't have to build from
source.
3097 [22:56:29] <netw1z> oh no. i just want to scarf pythong 2.7.9
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3099 [22:56:50] <mcon> I'm having troubles setting up audio;
everything seems ok (no errors), but I hear no sound. I did the
usual checks, but I can see nothing amiss. I could use some expert
help, if available. Thx
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3101 [22:58:01] <greycat> Well, you've just verified (by
brute force) that a wheezy<-jessie backport of python2.7 will not
work. So you should definitely NOT try to continue using your
"deb-src ... stable ..." lines. Change stable to wheezy,
and get rid of the non-US line entirely.
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3104 [22:59:52] <netw1z> k. gonna try that now
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3111 [23:02:14] <netw1z> @greycat i get a ton of errors about
deadsnakes
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3113 [23:02:58] <netw1z>
replaced-url
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3116 [23:04:14] <greycat> what in the hell is ppa.launchpad.net
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3118 [23:04:51] <greycat> is that coming from some file in
/etc/apt/sources.list.d/ ?
3119 [23:05:18] <netw1z> let me check there
3120 [23:05:57] <netw1z> this is whats in list.d
3121 [23:05:58] <netw1z>
replaced-url
3122 [23:06:17] <greycat> Figure out whether you actually want
them.
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3124 [23:06:33] <netw1z> lemme drop it i dont even remember how or
why i put that there
3125 [23:07:04] <netw1z> should i just delete it? i might have
been going for some arcane package
3126 [23:07:25] <greycat> I would strongly consider commenting out
the lines, or renaming the file so that apt won't use it.
3127 [23:07:34] <netw1z> done
3128 [23:07:47] <greycat> If, after a week or two, you're
convinced that you didn't actually need it in the first place,
then you can delete it.
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3174 [23:38:50] <alesan> hello
3175 [23:39:06] <alesan> I wanted to remove build-essential fro
mmy box as it is occupying a lot of space (gcc and all)
3176 [23:39:22] <alesan> if I do apt-get purge build-essential, it
only saves me 42kB
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3178 [23:39:34] <alesan> if I do apt-get remove gcc it only saves
172kB
3179 [23:39:46] <alesan> I am pretty sure when I installed it it
was several tens of MB
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3185 [23:42:55] <DoctorD90> guys, on the new pc, wifi wont work.
It doesnt seems give great problem from dmesg, but it doesnt want to
start. I see it neither from iwconfig. I found out this topic, but
it is a little old. Any news?
3186 [23:43:01] <DoctorD90>
replaced-url
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3188 [23:43:50] <DoctorD90> I have 03:00.0 Network controller:
Qualcomm Atheros Device 0042 (rev 31)
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3195 [23:45:40] <DoctorD90> 03:00.0 Network controller [0280]:
Qualcomm Atheros Device [168c:0042] (rev 31)
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