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• 27[00:23:20] <unborn> WoC: I would suggest virt-manager
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• 37[00:31:17] <hatter_> I am upgrading a Debian 7 to 8 and after the first apt-get upgrade it hangs on 'setting up console-setup' until I kill the process, what should I do now ?
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• 44[00:38:35] <unborn> hatter_: is that for server or personal? just asking to make sure whats safer
• 45[00:38:51] <hatter_> unborn: server, remotely via ssh
• 46[00:39:21] <unborn> hatter_: whats the repos on that server - can you pastebin it somewhere?
• 47[00:39:37] <hatter_> :unborn it seems others have suffered this and it has been scroll lock on the console enabled
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• 51[00:40:01] <hatter_> deb replaced-url
• 52[00:40:02] <unborn> hatter_: perhaps pastebin it the out put of terminal as well..
• 53[00:40:14] <unborn> uhm only one line?
• 54[00:41:10] <hatter_> sorry I will get pastebin
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• 56[00:41:39] <unborn> hatter_: on my servers I've managed to come from 6 to 9 where I am currently sitting.. its not that painless as it looks like
• 57[00:41:57] <hatter_> unborn, I have done quite a few of these also, haven't run into this yet
• 58[00:42:14] <hatter_> replaced-url
• 59[00:42:28] <hatter_> replaced-url
• 60[00:42:32] <unborn> hatter_: well its xmas you know.. nice present
• 61[00:43:08] <hatter_> unborn: haha, absolutely, virgin births all round
• 62[00:43:08] <unborn> hatter_: are you using gui on that server by any chance?
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• 64[00:44:03] <unborn> hatter_: ^^^ also is the second paste your source list - like all?
• 65[00:44:31] <unborn> if so you missing some stuff there..
• 66[00:44:36] <hatter_> unborn, yes, contents of /etc/apt/sources.list
• 67[00:44:52] <unborn> hatter_: okay I will paste you mine..
• 68[00:44:55] <unborn> one sec
• 69[00:45:27] <hatter_> unborn, there is a GUI it seems, however gdm is not running.
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• 76[00:50:11] <hatter_> maybe I can purge console-setup and reinstall it ?
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• 81[00:53:57] <unborn> hatter_: sorry for taking the time, I had to take my insulin dosage.. this is how my repos looks like: replaced-url
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• 85[00:56:30] <unborn> I mean you don't have to use cz domains, its just closed to me.. but when I was on 7 I updated to 8 with those
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• 91[00:59:19] <hatter_> unborn, np, thx,
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• 98[01:02:44] <unborn> hatter_: just add them to yours and apt update
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• 102[01:03:14] <hatter_> unborn, I did, now it hangs on somewhere new : dpkg: error processing tzdata (--configure):
• 103[01:03:14] <hatter_> subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1
• 104[01:03:14] <hatter_> Errors were encountered while processing:
• 105[01:03:14] <hatter_> tzdata
• 106[01:03:14] <hatter_> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
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• 109[01:03:40] <hatter_> replaced-url
• 110[01:03:46] <hatter_> oops kicked for flooding
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• 114[01:04:12] <unborn> oh.. sorry about that, I was not flooding god no way meh
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• 117[01:04:56] <unborn> hatter_: what was the command that cause you this error?
• 118[01:05:07] <hatter_> apt-get upgrade
• 119[01:05:29] <unborn> hatter_: do apt update && apt upgrade
• 120[01:05:48] <hatter_> unborn: this is older, the docs say to use apt-get
• 121[01:06:01] <hatter_> I did apt-get update first
• 122[01:06:16] <unborn> hatter_: perhaps instead of apt command you should still need to use apt-get command meh.. also before you do that can you check what version of apache you running on your server ?
• 123[01:06:47] <unborn> I think on deb7 was 2.2 and on 9 is 2.4 and configuration was changed for few things..
• 124[01:06:54] <hatter_> Server version: Apache/2.2.22 (Debian)
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• 126[01:08:00] <unborn> yay hatter_ then slow down.. 2.4 is different then 2.2 even htaccess was changed - not much differences out there but still it can give you hammer to your head aka 500s or 404s
• 127[01:09:37] <unborn> hatter_: before upgrade can you clone your server to kvm or sort of virtual machines and test it or try it there? you know.. if it still works you can have safe way to play around, see and feel the changes around. apache was one of them but also other things did changed.. you know..
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• 130[01:14:58] <hatter_> unborn, hmmm, hanging on console-setup
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• 132[01:15:34] <hatter_> still
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• 136[01:19:08] <unborn> hatter_: I would clone that server to kvm fire it up and working from there.. it will leave you online still and give you space to trouble shoot. if your server is not very big I would make backup and do fresh install with fresh configs and then just upload content back with all dbs, in case you manage bind by your self not much was changed.. but man from 7 to 9 or 10 its a bit big step.. anyways most of the changes apt will ask you to keep existing
• 137[01:19:09] <unborn> configs or replace, so make decisions widely.. fail2ban also changed a bit (if you using it) but keeping existing configs would work just fine, no need to edit it.
• 138[01:20:19] <unborn> hatter_: and at least update && upgrade once a 6 months or year - at least :)
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• 143[01:24:53] <unborn> oh hatter_ also on fresh install there is php7 only but via upgrade I have php5.xx to php7.xx and I can choose.. keep that also in mind, you may need to update even your scripts after, you know.
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• 145[01:26:33] <hatter_> unborn, thx for your help, I will keep figuring this out
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• 153[01:36:50] <unborn> no probs.
• 154[01:39:05] <ahi2> mandeep: did you figure out your grub problem from yesterday?
• 155[01:39:23] <mandeep> nope
• 156[01:41:01] <ahi2> i think i had that problem once. i used the cd installer's 'grub rescue' to force install of grub to 'removable media path'. whatever that means.
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• 158[01:41:47] <mandeep> hmm ill try that out
• 159[01:42:07] <ahi2> im no expert so i didnt say anything before
• 160[01:42:19] <mandeep> no worries :)
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• 163[01:46:57] <ahi2> replaced-url
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• 170[01:54:48] <Tyszka> wondering if some could help me fix my networking ? I guess I need to start by pinging my home router? so
• 171[01:55:34] <Tyszka> this doesn't work ping -c 1 $(ip route show default | cut -d ' ' -f 3)
• 172[01:56:07] <nvz> @.@
• 173[01:57:11] <Tyszka> nor does $sudo ip route show default returns empty currently have the machine ethernet wired to router
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• 175[01:57:52] <Tyszka> I suspect I may have inadvertenly removed some important package
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• 199[02:14:04] <AntabusEvelyna> damn all had to do was reboot router
• 200[02:14:20] <AntabusEvelyna> 1 computer network on it was fine, other 2 broken hmm
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• 219[02:28:29] <WoC> is there anything like the gentoo tool genkernel for debian?
• 220[02:30:00] <dvs> kernel-package?
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• 222[02:30:16] <dvs> ,v kernel-package
• 223[02:30:17] <judd> Package: kernel-package on amd64 -- jessie: 13.014+nmu1; stretch-backports: 13.018+nmu1~bpo9+1; sid: 13.018+nmu1
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• 225[02:30:57] <dvs> WoC, but it isn't really necessary anymore because the Debian build targets come with the stock kernel.
• 226[02:31:03] <WoC> somthing that can configure and build the kernel sources available based on the configuration of the host
• 227[02:31:20] <WoC> k
• 228[02:31:54] <dvs> bindeb-pkg
• 229[02:33:06] <WoC> just thoght it would be nice, with that i could just grab the latest kernel source and try it
• 230[02:33:18] <dvs> you can
• 231[02:33:46] <WoC> yes, but i would have to configure it from scratch
• 232[02:34:09] <WoC> ugh... make config...
• 233[02:34:24] <dvs> WoC, no, the kernel config files are in the /boot directory named "config-..."
• 234[02:34:47] <WoC> so make oldconfig ?
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• 236[02:35:18] <dvs> yeah,
• 237[02:36:08] <WoC> lest im mistaken it would fail on the debian keys
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• 239[02:36:49] <WoC> at least that was the issue for me long time ago when i tried
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• 243[02:38:19] <WoC> i just remembered that part...
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• 251[02:53:21] <WoC> dvs: do you recall the names of the meta packages that need to be installed to compile the kernel ?
• 252[02:54:29] <WoC> Oh, right, kernel-package
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• 279[03:24:33] <oxek> where can I find out why FreeFileSync replaced-url
• 280[03:25:12] <annadane> oxek, probably no specific reason, packaging is a volunteer effort
• 281[03:25:13] <annadane> !wnpp
• 282[03:25:14] <dpkg> For information on packages which are not in Debian but you think should be, check the Work-Needing and Prospective Packages list at replaced-url
• 283[03:25:16] <annadane> !nmg
• 284[03:25:16] <dpkg> The packaging tutorial (replaced-url
• 285[03:25:37] <oxek> thanks
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• 288[03:26:15] <oxek> is debian doing well as a destribution regarding number of active maintainers for 3rd party packages?
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• 290[03:27:20] <oxek> excellent, I found replaced-url
• 291[03:27:22] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 292[03:27:30] <annadane> i don't have the stats but i guess i'd say "probably"... but i don't know what 3rd party really means
• 293[03:27:44] <annadane> debian as a whole is massive, it has tons of devs/software
• 294[03:27:58] <oxek> I probably said it wrong, to me, 3rd party = not part of debian default installation
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• 296[03:28:05] <annadane> yeah then i guess so
• 297[03:28:09] <annadane> *shrug*
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• 300[03:28:46] <oxek> I am done with one-man-distributions, and want something with more devs
• 301[03:29:03] <annadane> yeah, well, debian is pretty much "the" linux distro, that and gentoo i suppose
• 302[03:29:41] <oxek> I don't have enough RAM to compile everything, so no gentoo for me *shrug*
• 303[03:29:44] <WoC`> speaking of, dual boot between Deb and Gen2
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• 306[03:30:37] <annadane> to me debian is basically, unless i have very good reason, i'm never using anything but that, the stable variant means it's next to no work to maintain for 2 years and has a lot of packages and it's just really well set up
• 307[03:32:18] <jim> this is weird... hovering over your post, I happen to move mouse over "the"... turns out there's someone here named "the"
• 308[03:32:41] <annadane> endless pings
• 309[03:33:10] <jim> no doubt
• 310[03:33:12] <WoC> I'm running on old and obscure hw
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• 312[03:34:19] <WoC`> Linux ZEUS 5.3.0-3-powerpc64 #1 SMP Debian 5.3.15-1 (2019-12-07) ppc64 PPC970, altivec supported PowerMac7,2 GNU/Linux
• 313[03:35:13] <jim> oh, a couple of WoCs :)
• 314[03:35:22] <joepublic> boo hiss :)
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• 319[03:42:53] <annadane> out of curiosity does anyone know how often judd updates its database?
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• 321[03:44:04] <annadane> !judd
• 322[03:44:04] <dpkg> judd is a window into the Ultimate Debian Database (ask me about <udd>). Judd can look up package, PCI ID and kernel config information. See replaced-url
• 323[03:44:51] <annadane> it's probably like 12 hours or somrthing
• 324[03:44:52] <annadane> something
• 325[03:45:01] <WoC> Hmmm first time i heard about it
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• 327[03:46:07] <WoC> web based ?
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• 331[03:48:28] <annadane> you know, i never noticed until now how powerful the Depends/Recommends split is
• 332[03:49:03] <joepublic> judd is here in this channel. Hey judd:
• 333[03:49:04] <joepublic> , krdc
• 334[03:49:10] <joepublic> ,krdc
• 335[03:49:22] <joepublic> perhaps I forget judd's operating parameters
• 336[03:49:23] <annadane> if you uninstall a package, and apt autoremove to clean up, if a package has no other Depends but itself you can just apt autoremove all the Recommends packages, but with other Depends then you'd have to uninstall those as well and only then apt autoremove "everything"
• 337[03:49:33] <joepublic> there's a v in there somewhere
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• 339[03:50:06] <WoC> Right, too close ;P
• 340[03:50:22] <annadane> well for packages it's ,v krde but that's presumably not what you mean
• 341[03:50:23] <annadane> ,v kdrc
• 342[03:50:25] <judd> No package named 'kdrc' was found in amd64.
• 343[03:50:25] <WoC> how would you lookup PCI ID ?
• 344[03:50:37] <annadane> judd has pciid capabilities
• 345[03:50:41] <joepublic> ,v krdc
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• 347[03:50:42] <judd> Package: krdc on amd64 -- jessie: 4:4.14.1-1; stretch: 4:16.08.3-1; buster: 4:18.04.1-1; bullseye: 4:18.04.1-1+b1; sid: 4:18.04.1-1+b1
• 348[03:50:55] <annadane> yeah or that
• 349[03:50:57] <annadane> if i can type
• 350[03:51:03] <annadane> ,i krdc
• 351[03:51:05] <judd> Package krdc (net, optional) in buster/amd64: Remote Desktop Connection client. Version: 4:18.04.1-1; Size: 1640.5k; Installed: 3620k; Homepage: replaced-url
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• 354[03:51:42] <joepublic> I use krdc to access my kvm vms that have X. fwiw.
• 355[03:51:50] <annadane> anyway i can't imagine judd is much more than a day delayed at maximum
• 356[03:51:56] <WoC> ,i 1002:9874
• 357[03:51:57] <judd> No package named '1002:9874' was found in buster/amd64.
• 358[03:52:02] <annadane> ,pciid 1002:9874
• 359[03:52:04] <judd> [1002:9874] is 'Wani [Radeon R5/R6/R7 Graphics]' from 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' with kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'amdgpu' in stretch. See also replaced-url
• 360[03:52:12] <joepublic> I thought 'i' was a pretty good guess
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• 362[03:56:43] <WoC> any suggestions on a tool that can play some sort of test sound for verifying that my sound is working?
• 363[03:56:55] <joepublic> from the terminal?
• 364[03:57:01] <WoC> yes
• 365[03:57:16] <WoC> without x/wayland
• 366[03:57:27] <WoC> Irssi 1.2.1-1ubuntu3 (20190628) - replaced-url
• 367[03:57:27] <joepublic> the 'sox' package installs the "play" command -- `play so-and-so.mp3`
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• 369[03:57:41] <WoC> k
• 370[03:58:03] <WoC> ty, so-and-so.mp3 is included ?
• 371[03:58:10] <joepublic> uh, no
• 372[03:58:12] <joepublic> sorry
• 373[03:58:24] <joepublic> cd ..
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• 375[03:58:45] <WoC> i wound some
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• 377[03:58:53] <WoC> err found
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• 379[03:59:05] <annadane> it's some aplay command
• 380[03:59:06] <annadane> for alsa
• 381[03:59:12] <annadane> man aplay
• 382[03:59:22] <annadane> man aplay | grep test or something
• 383[03:59:33] <joepublic> a little heavier is the 'flite' package which gives you text-to-speech -- `flite "hey i sound like a robot"`
• 384[04:04:56] <annadane> well, the man page is no help
• 385[04:05:07] <annadane> i thought there was a simple beep thing you could send to speakers
• 386[04:05:38] <joepublic> I don't understand enough about aplay to wield it usefully
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• 388[04:06:20] <joepublic> then there'
• 389[04:06:23] <WoC> back in the day, you could just launch esd
• 390[04:06:33] <joepublic> then there's 'beep' which is also subtly nuanced
• 391[04:06:47] <BazookaTooth> ,i alsa-utils
• 392[04:06:48] <judd> Package alsa-utils (sound, optional) in buster/amd64: Utilities for configuring and using ALSA. Version: 1.1.8-2; Size: 1018.8k; Installed: 2253k; Homepage: replaced-url
• 393[04:07:53] <WoC> Used to be a script in most distributions that actually setup the sound for you
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• 402[04:22:59] <WoC> Looks like i have to setup sound in xorg
• 403[04:24:14] <WoC> alsactl init shows the card and all, but no play
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• 410[04:37:14] <humbot> speaker-test ?
• 411[04:38:02] <humbot> hmm, only works for root
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• 413[04:38:33] <humbot> erm, doesn't really work for root :þ
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• 420[04:40:48] <humbot> ah, speaker test voices are in /usr/share/sounds/alsa/ they are wavs so you can test with aplay
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• 530[05:53:44] <humbot> use sudo -i to become root
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• 543[06:24:16] <nvz> these are not the commandlines you're looking for... use the root linus!
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• 547[06:31:28] <somiaj> !buster su
• 548[06:31:28] <dpkg> In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). To approximate the previous behaviour, put "ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes" in /etc/login.defs. See replaced-url
• 549[06:31:43] <somiaj> that might be the releveant info, they were just using su, not su -
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• 566[07:02:44] <lovetolearn> hello, i'm having trouble enrolling a new key
• 567[07:03:10] <lovetolearn> debhelper,
• 568[07:04:09] <lovetolearn> i put mokutil --import MOK.der and it said failed to enroll key after i type my pw twice
• 569[07:05:13] <lovetolearn> nvm i think it works now that i'm root
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• 571[07:06:38] <lovetolearn> <rebooting machine then enters MOK manager EFI utility: enroll MOK, continue, confirm, enter password, reboot>
• 572[07:06:44] <lovetolearn> i need help following that step
• 573[07:06:55] <lovetolearn> looks complicated when i read it
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• 579[07:17:44] <lovetolearn> nvm again xD
• 580[07:18:01] <lovetolearn> instrustions were easy to follow - will come back if i need any help
• 581[07:18:03] <lovetolearn> thanks
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• 586[07:23:15] <lovetolearn> cd /lib/modules/4.19.0-6-amd64/updates/dkms is not working - it says no such file or directory
• 587[07:23:56] <lovetolearn> same thing for /usr/lib/linux-kbuild-4.19/scripts/sign-file sha256 /root/MOK.priv /root/MOK.der vboxdrv.ko
• 588[07:24:01] <lovetolearn> even tho i'm root
• 589[07:26:06] <nvz> what does uname -r say?
• 590[07:26:49] <nvz> lovetolearn: and what does dpkg -L linux-kbuild* say?
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• 596[07:30:52] <lovetolearn> uname -r says 4.19.0-6-amd64
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• 598[07:31:38] <lovetolearn> dpkg -L linux-kbuild* says dpkg-query: error: --listfiles needs a valid package name but 'linux-kbuild*' is not: illegal package name in specifier 'linux-kbuild*': character '*' not allowed (only letters, digits and characters '-+._')Use --help for help about querying packages.
• 599[07:31:38] <dpkg> No packages found matching linux-kbuild* says dpkg-query: error: --listfiles needs a valid package name but 'linux-kbuild*' is not: illegal package name in specifier 'linux-kbuild*': character '*' not allowed (only letters, digits and characters '-+._')Use --help for help about querying packages.
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• 604[07:33:21] <nvz> erm..
• 605[07:33:25] <nvz> yeah -l not -L :D
• 606[07:33:36] <nvz> idk what I was thinking there
• 607[07:33:40] <lovetolearn> oh
• 608[07:33:54] <lovetolearn> also doesn't allow *
• 609[07:35:01] <lovetolearn> Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
• 610[07:35:01] <lovetolearn> | Status=Not/Inst/Conf-files/Unpacked/halF-conf/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend
• 611[07:35:01] <lovetolearn> |/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
• 612[07:35:01] <lovetolearn> ||/ Name Version Architecture Description
• 613[07:35:01] <lovetolearn> +++-=================-=================-============-===========================
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• 615[07:35:06] <nvz> na, that def allows a wildcard
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• 617[07:36:16] <lovetolearn> i will go to floor
• 618[07:36:20] <lovetolearn> flood*
• 619[07:36:24] <nvz> thats ok
• 620[07:36:28] <nvz> don't need to
• 621[07:36:50] <lovetolearn> wat i have to do now?
• 622[07:37:15] <lovetolearn> it won't let me exit that file
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• 624[07:37:59] <nvz> exit what file?
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• 626[07:39:14] <lovetolearn> the big file i pasted ^
• 627[07:39:29] <lovetolearn> or whatever that is in the terminal
• 628[07:40:05] <lovetolearn> oh i pressed q for quit lol
• 629[07:40:08] <nvz> yeah thats not a big file or anything you quit
• 630[07:40:17] <nvz> dpkg -l shouldve just listed a few lines thats it
• 631[07:40:17] <dpkg> No packages found matching shouldve just listed a few lines thats it
• 632[07:40:22] <nvz> dpkg: shaddup
• 633[07:40:22] <dpkg> No, I won't, you shaddup, you
• 634[07:40:35] <lovetolearn> is that a bot or no
• 635[07:40:44] <nvz> dpkg: are you a bot?
• 636[07:40:44] <dpkg> I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
• 637[07:40:52] <nvz> dpkg: what are you?
• 638[07:40:53] <dpkg> I am an infobot. For more information, ask me about <infobot>.
• 639[07:41:16] <lovetolearn> dpkg u r cute
• 640[07:41:16] <dpkg> i haven't a clue, lovetolearn
• 641[07:41:22] <nvz> dpkg, botsnack
• 642[07:41:22] <dpkg> nvz: thanks
• 643[07:41:38] <lovetolearn> lol
• 644[07:41:47] <lovetolearn> ok so now what
• 645[07:41:59] <lovetolearn> i have to sign the modules for virtualbox?
• 646[07:43:05] <lovetolearn> replaced-url
• 647[07:43:38] <lovetolearn> using my machine keys to sign modules commands doesn't work
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• 649[07:48:10] <lovetolearn> i guess i'll come back to this later
• 650[07:49:24] <lovetolearn> i have the latest dkms
• 651[07:49:28] <lovetolearn> now what
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• 655[07:56:38] <lovetolearn> trying /sbin/vboxconfig then the other commands for the other modules that virtualbox wants me to sign
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• 657[07:57:59] <nvz> idk what you got going on over there.. but it sounds like a PICNIC
• 658[07:58:28] <lovetolearn> no picnic lol
• 659[07:58:38] <nvz> dpkg, what is picnic?
• 660[07:58:39] <dpkg> picnic is probably Problem In Chair Not In Computer
• 661[07:59:03] <lovetolearn> lol
• 662[07:59:23] <lovetolearn> how u got virtualbox to work on Debian 10.2 then
• 663[07:59:33] <lovetolearn> i will look at utube
• 664[07:59:48] <lovetolearn> unless u wanna help me
• 665[08:00:21] <lovetolearn> dpkg what's ur fav food
• 666[08:00:22] <dpkg> lovetolearn: I give up, what is it?
• 667[08:00:36] <lovetolearn> dpkg what's your favorite food?
• 668[08:00:37] <dpkg> lovetolearn: have you tried replaced-url
• 669[08:00:46] <lovetolearn> x_x
• 670[08:01:21] <nvz> I went to virtualbox.org and downloaded the package and installed it
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• 672[08:01:40] <nvz> I also didn't build a signed kernel or enable secure boot in my uefi
• 673[08:03:03] <lovetolearn> oh yeah
• 674[08:03:20] <lovetolearn> i'll try to get it signed
• 675[08:03:31] <nvz> the day I have people trying to run authorized kernels or load unauthorized modules on my system, I have bigger problems than secure boot can solve
• 676[08:03:44] <nvz> the whole thing sounds like ridiculousness to me
• 677[08:04:41] <nvz> unless I am a big corporation.. very greedy... like say Microsof... and I got with another company, say.. Intel.. and designed a firmware interface and called it something like.. idk.. UEFI.. and developed something like "Secure Boot" to keep people from running anything but my crappy OS
• 678[08:06:07] <nvz> for someone to be trying to run another kernel on my computer they'd have to have broken into my house and killed me already.. so what do I care..
• 679[08:06:45] <lovetolearn> I never wish that on you.
• 680[08:07:06] <nvz> me either.. but I don't enable secure boot to try prevent it :D
• 681[08:07:34] <lovetolearn> I'll just disable it for now because I need Win7 or Win10 to setup my Mifi USB pen
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• 683[08:08:38] <nvz> I dont think you /need/ secure boot for windows
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• 685[08:09:05] <lovetolearn> no but i'm using debian 10 to get into virtualbox to get into windows
• 686[08:09:13] <nvz> you need UEFI mode booting, sure.. but UEFI and secure boot isn't the same thing
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• 688[08:09:53] <nvz> secure boot is just a crock of shit :P If I were designing tablets for inmates or something, maybe..
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• 690[08:11:28] <nvz> cause if I want at your DATA and I've already broken into your house and got your computer.. I can just use the same crowbar that got through your door/window and get your hdd out of your secure boot POS
• 691[08:14:58] <lovetolearn> lol
• 692[08:16:08] <nvz> you might also be interested in the linux genuine advantage..
• 693[08:16:26] <nvz> lreplaced-url
• 694[08:17:26] <lovetolearn> kool
• 695[08:17:55] <lovetolearn> thanks for the link
• 696[08:18:08] <lovetolearn> i pulled it up in my browser so it's in my history ;)
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• 704[08:23:56] <hatter_> I just stuffed up upgrade an 8.0 to a 9.0, after changing the apt sources, I did apt-get update, then apt-get upgrade which went fine, then I was on the wrong page and did 'apt full-upgrade' instead of apt-get dist-upgrade. Now I getting a lot of : 'Failed to execute operation: Connection timed out' so I think I am hosed. Do I have any options ?
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• 720[08:40:52] <Goldcoin> Hello ppl!! OMG there is free Bitcoin here!! : replaced-url
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• 724[08:43:36] <ZaZaGX> oh
• 725[08:43:53] <ZaZaGX> it makes me want to click on it
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• 729[08:46:06] <rue_mohr> System has not been booted with systemd as init system (PID 1). Can't operate.
• 730[08:46:06] <rue_mohr> Failed to connect to bus: Host is down
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• 732[08:46:20] <rue_mohr> how do I get the login system to NOT use systemd?
• 733[08:46:36] <rue_mohr> I'm expecting an alternate package answer
• 734[08:47:03] <diogenes_> Devuan
• 735[08:47:18] <BazookaTooth> fight!
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• 737[08:47:46] <rue_mohr> hmm
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• 739[08:48:05] <rue_mohr> well I dont like systemd
• 740[08:48:37] <rue_mohr> was moving to it really worth it just cause gnome said they needed to control EVERYTHING
• 741[08:48:38] <rue_mohr> ?
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• 745[08:50:58] <rue_mohr> ok let me rewind
• 746[08:51:12] <rue_mohr> how, for the meantime, can I remove dbus from the PAM auth?
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• 755[08:59:10] <rue_mohr> mv /usr/bin/dbus-daemon /usr/bin/_dbus-daemon
• 756[08:59:15] <rue_mohr> PERFECT! IT ALL WORKS AGAIN!
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• 814[10:05:26] <nvz> what are some simple solutions to streaming media from my server and being able to seek back without delay? :P
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• 861[10:51:09] <Ede|Popede> youtube.com/embed *duck*
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• 941[11:58:14] <Bushmaster> hello all, does anyone utilized minidlna to set up media server ?
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• 1011[13:06:43] <rx7a> Hi all!...
• 1012[13:08:34] <Bushmaster> hi. i am seeking some inputs
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• 1032[13:25:14] <nyov> heya, looking for a new way to automate my server installs- is anyone aware of an existing lightweight version of what the FAI project does?
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• 1034[13:25:45] <nyov> what I'm looking for, or want to do, is a custom initramfs which I can set up to boot into, with just enough tools to set up networking and then call back into a pre-set CoC server for chain-loading installer scripts and provisioning
• 1035[13:26:52] <nyov> somewhat like d-i with SSH network console, but in reverse
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• 1039[13:27:38] <Bushmaster> does anyone utilize Apache as media server?
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• 1043[13:32:07] <at0m> Bushmaster: probably. it helps if your question is more specific.
• 1044[13:33:01] <at0m> what do you want to do? are you stuck with apache or is other httpd an option, too? maybe there's tools that do just that, serve media over http, etc
• 1045[13:33:32] <Bushmaster> at0m, thanks for reply let me explain you
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• 1047[13:34:36] <Bushmaster> at0m, I recently set up rasp pi 4 as media center and by media center I meant, I am running two SATA hard drives, powered in dock and connected to rsp pi through USB port and Rasp pi runs Librelec hence kodi and I can watch my movies
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• 1049[13:35:22] <Bushmaster> but at0m its unstable, HDMI does get no signal and it remain awfully persistent, I did all anyone can do to tinker with rasp pi config file yet the problem persist
• 1050[13:35:24] <Bushmaster> at0m, however
• 1051[13:35:32] <Bushmaster> I discovered something else at0m
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• 1053[13:36:36] <Bushmaster> I turned one of my old machines as server, hence I installed Apache in it, and then went on to rasp pi Kodi, declared the localhost IP port 80, HTTP and added movies in my Apache doscument root direcotry
• 1054[13:36:44] <Bushmaster> at0m, you with me so far?
• 1055[13:37:24] <damex> > its unstable, HDMI does get no signal and it remain awfully persistent
• 1056[13:37:30] <damex> is there enough power?
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• 1059[13:38:49] <Bushmaster> damex, yes, all right hard ware, no problem, all latest rasp pi power cable etc
• 1060[13:39:34] <Bushmaster> what I discovered is, no disconnection what so ever, for 48 hours when running Kodi with my Apache host server
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• 1062[13:40:24] <Bushmaster> hence what I plan on doing is utilize rasp pi as media server in which it will connect to my apache via network as apache is serving as my media server
• 1063[13:40:30] <Bushmaster> its smooth and no disconnection
• 1064[13:42:42] <Bushmaster> rasp pi in my case is problematic when it is media center, but it is extremely stable when it is acting as media server connected via network with my Apache in other machine hosting some of my media
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• 1066[13:43:38] <Bushmaster> i believe in my case rasp pi cannot handle multiple hard drives connected to it with its USB port even though these hard drives are all powered in its own docks
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• 1068[13:44:05] <Bushmaster> hence in my case Apache server and Rasp pi is perfect solution
• 1069[13:44:12] <Bushmaster> but I need some technical advice
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• 1083[13:55:44] <damex> Bushmaster: there is no official debian for rpi4 and there is no official power cable for rpi4 either
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• 1086[13:57:15] <Bushmaster> damex, I do not need any of these, I just need to know whether I can declare few hard drives in Apache DocumentRoot
• 1087[13:57:51] <damex> ok. ofcourse you can. mount drives and declare their mount dir(s).
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• 1091[13:59:58] <Bushmaster> damex, two hard drives though
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• 1096[14:00:41] <damex> mkdir -p /mount/drives/disk{1..2} and then point root dir to /mount/drives ?
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• 1098[14:02:21] <Bushmaster> damex, I am talking about apache configuration file in which I need to amend DocumentRoot, its easy if it involves one hard drive, I can show the path, but how I can show paths for two hard drive
• 1099[14:02:25] <asymptotically> can i build a kernel with `make deb-pkg` from a non-debian system? dpkg-checkbuilddeps tries to look in /var/lib/dpkg/status which does not exist
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• 1104[14:10:28] <Ede|Popede> Bushmaster, you can set up an Alias for each of the drives or some of their subdirs as needed. so you can even have a nice uri layout.
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• 1106[14:11:43] <Bushmaster> Ede|Popede, are you fluent in utilizing the power of Apahe server to act as media server for example Kodi based
• 1107[14:11:59] <Bushmaster> if you are, I would appreciate some help
• 1108[14:13:15] <Ede|Popede> Bushmaster, i've got plans to set up one again when i finally manage to upgrade to buster on this machine, too. i've eaten the docs years ago, had some fun playing with it.
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• 1111[14:14:50] <Bushmaster> Ede|Popede, sounds good, would you be kind enough to spend some time for open source consultation in 3 hours or so from now? I need to go to hospital but I will be back in no later than 3 hours or so ...
• 1112[14:14:54] <Ede|Popede> Bushmaster, not sure *how much* apache is debianized, and how they react in #httpd if they know you're using it on debian *g*. but this doesn't sound debian specific, so maybe would be the top option.
• 1113[14:15:20] <Ede|Popede> Bushmaster, sure, i'm here anyway atm.
• 1114[14:15:26] <Ede|Popede> maybe in #httpd then?
• 1115[14:15:55] <Bushmaster> Ede|Popede, Apache is installed in Mint and it is working perfectly and serving some media (movies) striahgt via network into rasp pi - kido
• 1116[14:16:34] <Bushmaster> what happened is rasp pi work brilliantly when it serves movies via pache network
• 1117[14:16:52] <Ede|Popede> the only thing i tried so far regarding media with apache was to try to mimic online streams. just between 2 cups of coffee, so didn't really look deep into it. that first try didn't work as expected.
• 1118[14:17:19] <Bushmaster> hence what I plan on doing is expanding the apache media server by adding couple of y SATA hard drives in USB port to my old machine and poit the paths to apache configuration file and I am all done
• 1119[14:17:47] <Bushmaster> but I do know whether it is possible to point two paths in document root in Apache config file
• 1120[14:18:08] <Ede|Popede> what i wanted was HLS streaming, mp4 isn't a problem at all, just make up your uri layout (i prefer to avoid symlinks here if possible), use the correct mime time, and it should work.
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• 1122[14:19:24] <Bushmaster> I have no idea what you mentioned above. All I do with apache is I go to config file and change the document root to my prefered diretories where all my media are resting
• 1123[14:19:37] <Ede|Popede> Bushmaster, i think that's what you wand: replaced-url
• 1124[14:19:43] <Ede|Popede> or even want.
• 1125[14:20:00] <Bushmaster> but to change that document root path for two external hard drives, i am not sure
• 1126[14:20:06] <Bushmaster> let me echeck
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• 1128[14:21:23] <Bushmaster> Ede|Popede, thanks but that is way too technical, no way I can follow that
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• 1130[14:21:52] <Akuw> hi
• 1131[14:22:02] <Ede|Popede> Bushmaster: look into the existing config. understand how it works and get an impression on the modules it comes with and at some of the basic directives used in the default config. and then you can start to play. i think i didn't even bother with apache.conf, but had my stuff in apache.conf.d.
• 1132[14:23:11] <Akuw> i have locally configured packages source list
• 1133[14:23:20] <Bushmaster> i think easy solution for me would be to get 20 TB hard drive and simply change the path
• 1134[14:24:02] <Ede|Popede> Bushmaster: yea, it's the primary source. maybe some tutorial on the basics would be better for you.
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• 1136[14:24:10] <Ede|Popede> fish and fishing, you know ;)
• 1137[14:24:14] <Ede|Popede> nah
• 1138[14:24:15] <Akuw> but when try to install one of that packages got E: Unable to locate package custompack
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• 1140[14:24:57] <Akuw> i search inside Packages file and there is the packages and path
• 1141[14:25:22] <Ede|Popede> Bushmaster: what about you do know what you planned to do, come back later as you announced and ping me, but maybe in #httpd then?
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• 1144[14:26:09] <khreshgsye> I have a cron job set to trim my SSD (my type of SSD has a flaw and does not auto trim) and I noticed that when I boot up the computer trims ALL the free space which is like 60GB. Any way to avoid that?
• 1145[14:26:31] <Bushmaster> Ede|Popede, I will consult with you onc I return in few hours, Thanks
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• 1147[14:26:47] <Ede|Popede> Bushmaster: imagine Alias working similar to symlinks to directories in the fs. or (bind) mounts. you can have any directory anywhere in your httpd layout you want, just by using the appropriate Alias optiun
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• 1150[14:27:38] <Bushmaster> Ede|Popede, I do not see you in that httpd channel
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• 1155[14:28:28] <Ede|Popede> Bushmaster, I do not see you in that httpd channel
• 1156[14:28:30] <Ede|Popede> ;)
• 1157[14:28:51] <Ede|Popede> are you in ##httpd maybe?
• 1158[14:28:58] <annadane> i'm not in that httpd channel
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• 1162[14:29:23] <annadane> (hi not in that httpd channel, i'm dad)
• 1163[14:29:28] <Ede|Popede> or even httpd (not sure if freenode has stateless channels)
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• 1165[14:29:48] <joepublic> I am not sure what solutions to offer for "I have a defective SSD" other than "Newegg"
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• 1174[14:33:08] <f-a> my laptop is running hot and I suspect the termal sensor is broken since the fan is off
• 1175[14:33:14] <f-a> how can I turn it on manually?
• 1176[14:33:14] <nyov> possible solution: grab 2 HDDs for the same price, and do raid1
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• 1181[14:34:16] <nyov> f-a: you can try fancontrol
• 1182[14:34:29] <Akuw> why i get this E: Unable to locate package chilemlc
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• 1184[14:37:06] <f-a> I'll check it, thanks nyov
• 1185[14:37:19] <nyov> ,i fancontrol
• 1186[14:37:21] <judd> Package fancontrol (utils, optional) in buster/amd64: utility to control the fan speed. Version: 1:3.5.0-3; Size: 46.1k; Installed: 100k; Homepage: replaced-url
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• 1197[14:41:46] <gvth> :(
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• 1222[14:58:01] <nyov> fail
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• 1228[14:59:22] <annadane> !test list
• 1229[14:59:22] <darkhorse> exit
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• 1285[15:33:50] <Akuw> #
• 1286[15:33:50] <Akuw> i am trying to install a local package that is in pool/main/c/ and is listed in Packages files
• 1287[15:34:07] <Akuw> but i got E: Unable to locate package daemonapp
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• 1303[15:45:03] <khreshgsye> if i setup a cron job @daily.... at what time it will execute?
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• 1305[15:46:08] <section1> strat off the day
• 1306[15:46:11] <section1> start*
• 1307[15:46:37] <section1> it's like 00 00 * * *
• 1308[15:46:45] <apollo13> section1: I don't think that's true
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• 1310[15:46:55] <section1> why not apollo13 ?
• 1311[15:46:59] <apollo13> ie anacron config says 1 5 cron.daily run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily for daily
• 1312[15:47:13] <section1> that's is not "daily
• 1313[15:47:13] <apollo13> section1: I don't think it's guranteed to be 00 00, that depends on your system config
• 1314[15:47:22] <section1> @daily
• 1315[15:47:44] <section1> they are two diferent stuff
• 1316[15:48:11] <apollo13> maybe, but /etc/cron.daily is executed by anacron on my system
• 1317[15:48:20] <apollo13> if I look into /etc/crontab it has 25 6 * * * root test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily )
• 1318[15:48:44] <section1> yeah... but @daily i something in cron..like @reboot and similar.
• 1319[15:48:50] <section1> man 5 crontab
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• 1321[15:49:45] <apollo13> section1: interesting, I thought @daily would also have some offset applied
• 1322[15:49:50] <apollo13> (preferably random)
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• 1324[15:50:01] <apollo13> one reason more not to use daily
• 1325[15:50:34] <section1> they are only "shortcuts"
• 1326[15:50:58] <apollo13> sure, but rather dangerous ones ;)
• 1327[15:51:18] <section1> :)
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• 1342[16:01:51] <gorilangori> does anyone know how to find all packages installed from non free and contrib repos
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• 1351[16:04:41] <themill> gorilangori: aptitude search '~i?or(~scontrib,~snon-free)'"
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• 1353[16:06:51] <Allainn> your question on Google gives me this: replaced-url
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• 1361[16:14:28] <khreshgsye> fk it then., ill switch to windows
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• 1382[16:27:38] <f-a> My fan gave up, is there a way to, uh, tell the processor to run slower until I get my paws on anther machine?
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• 1388[16:30:19] <bzed> f-a: if you have recent hardware it will do that on its own when its too hot ;)
• 1389[16:30:50] <bzed> f-a: but you should be able to force it into powersafe mode at least
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• 1395[16:31:31] <f-a> bzed: it is an ancient minifree x60s
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• 1397[16:32:08] <bzed> f-a: replaced-url
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• 1402[16:36:23] <f-a> thanks, I will check it out
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• 1409[16:39:20] <Abdullah_> aren't the /boot/{vmlinuz,initrd.img} the symlinks to /vmlinuz,initrd.img?
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• 1414[16:41:13] <Akuw> jelly: hi
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• 1416[16:43:08] <Akuw> jelly: i am getting this error E: Unable to locate package daemonapp
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• 1419[16:45:14] <Bushmaster> Does anyone utilize Apache as media server in which two esternal hard drives are connected to serve media via Rasp Pi viz-a-viz LibreElec OS in which Kodi is at play to serve all the media via network...in which Apache is running remotely in other machine?
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• 1428[16:51:44] <petn-randall> Akuw: How did you create the repo? What output do you get when you run `apt update`?
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• 1435[16:52:35] <Akuw> All packages are up to date.
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• 1437[16:53:05] <Akuw> what i did was to check Packages files and there are all packages and paths
• 1438[16:53:23] <Akuw> app update give no errors
• 1439[16:53:38] <Akuw> so i dont know what i miss
• 1440[16:55:15] <abrotman> Akuw: Did you add some unofficial src repo?
• 1441[16:55:20] <Akuw> no
• 1442[16:55:37] <Akuw> abrotman: hi man
• 1443[16:55:41] <abrotman> do you think the package `daemonapp` exists in debian?
• 1444[16:55:55] <Akuw> is a custom package and it is there
• 1445[16:55:57] <Akuw> i checked
• 1446[16:56:23] <Akuw> i dont know wht apt cant find it
• 1447[16:56:34] <abrotman> it is .. where?
• 1448[16:56:48] <Akuw> in pool
• 1449[16:57:21] <abrotman> So you created a custom package, and dropped it in a repo .. and then what?
• 1450[16:57:54] <Akuw> there are some custom packages and i can install 12, but there are some i cant install
• 1451[16:58:00] <Akuw> because apt cant find them
• 1452[16:58:13] <abrotman> Why didn't you create your own repo?
• 1453[16:58:23] <abrotman> you mixed it into a standard mirror?
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• 1455[16:59:30] <Akuw> is not mixed
• 1456[16:59:49] <abrotman> so when I asked if you added an unofficial src repo ...
• 1457[16:59:51] <Akuw> it has his own directory, the point is i can install other packages
• 1458[17:00:05] <Akuw> why i cant install that other packages
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• 1460[17:00:48] <Akuw> my problem is i cant install other packages (custom)
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• 1463[17:01:40] <Akuw> but that packages are there
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• 1465[17:02:07] <Akuw> sources.list.d has a file with configuration and is working well
• 1466[17:02:22] <abrotman> does the Packages file have your missing custom package?
• 1467[17:02:30] <Akuw> yes
• 1468[17:02:44] <Akuw> i checked that
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• 1470[17:03:06] <abrotman> can you pastebin the relevant section from the Packages file?
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• 1478[17:04:51] <abrotman> can you fetch the package if you manually contruct te URL and use wget ?
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• 1482[17:07:53] <Elon_Sat0shi> Hello! There's a program I want to run (replaced-url
• 1483[17:08:04] <Akuw> abrotman: replaced-url
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• 1486[17:09:28] <abrotman> Elon_Sat0shi: you might want to specify which version of Debian
• 1487[17:09:46] <abrotman> Akuw: the package is named "daemon", not "daemonapp"
• 1488[17:10:18] <Elon_Sat0shi> abrotman: debian 10 buster
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• 1492[17:13:40] <Elon_Sat0shi> Should I use replaced-url
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• 1525[17:35:36] <Akuw> abrotman: sorry i misspell when paste
• 1526[17:35:51] <Akuw> real name is daemon
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• 1540[17:42:57] <Akuw> abrotman: sorry i misspell when paste, but real name is daemon
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• 1608[18:32:43] <nyov> Elon_Sat0shi: if you really must use 8, you can get the latest from the archive or here, at your own risk. replaced-url
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• 1614[18:34:25] <ElDiabolo> Hi. After upgrading to buster my spamassassin does not accept mails from users authenticated with exim any more. Any hints on where t look?
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• 1637[18:48:52] <rm200910> hi. I have a debian virtual machine that fails to install 'devscripts'.
• 1638[18:48:53] <rm200910> replaced-url
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• 1641[18:49:06] <rm200910> is this the correct place to request help?
• 1642[18:49:08] <rm200910> thanks
• 1643[18:49:24] <greycat> yes, this is the right place for help with Debian
• 1644[18:49:47] <greycat> ,v devscripts
• 1645[18:49:48] <judd> Package: devscripts on amd64 -- jessie: 2.15.3+deb8u1; jessie-security: 2.15.3+deb8u1; stretch: 2.17.6+deb9u2; stretch-backports: 2.19.5+deb10u1~bpo9+2; buster: 2.19.5+deb10u1; buster-backports: 2.19.7~bpo10+1; bullseye: 2.19.7; sid: 2.19.7
• 1646[18:50:22] <greycat> it sounds like you need to run "apt-get update" to get the updated list of versions on the mirror
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• 1648[18:51:06] <Akuw> greycat: i need some help with apt
• 1649[18:51:26] <Akuw> i cant find any help on google about this particular problem
• 1650[18:52:12] <rm200910> hi greycat . thanks for the reply. I tried apt-get update and it did not solve my problem. replaced-url
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• 1653[18:54:02] <greycat> rm200910: the "Hit:" lines seem to imply that it's using a cached value instead of actually hitting the mirror, though your guess is as good as mine why that might be. Are you using some sort of HTTP proxy that might be interfering?
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• 1655[18:55:02] <WoC`> rm200910: check your dns
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• 1658[18:57:11] <rm200910> hi greycat . This is in a virtual machine under a fedora system. I am not sure if that gets in the way.
• 1659[18:57:28] <rm200910> hi WoC` . THanks for the pointer. I will check.
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• 1662[18:58:21] <WoC`> i.e. host deb.debian.org to make sure it resolves from the dns, or 'host deb.debian.org 8.8.8.8' using the google main dns server
• 1663[18:58:38] <WoC`> np
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• 1677[19:03:13] <nvz> how do I deal with the 3.5G or so of journals on my system? I really dont need all that.. can I somehow just clear out all but the say last few days or something?
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• 1679[19:05:29] <diogenes_> nvz, where are they located?
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• 1681[19:08:08] <rm200910> hi greycat/ WoC` . I got around the problem by downloading the 'deb' file from replaced-url
• 1682[19:08:36] <greycat> That's a short term fix at best. You'll really want to figure out what's wrong with your HTTP stuff for the future.
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• 1684[19:09:35] <greycat> Another thing you could check is whether the files in /var/lib/apt/lists/ have dates in the future, e.g. from a system clock that used to be very very wrong. Or still is very very wrong.
• 1685[19:10:04] <rm200910> I am confused because the messages look for the file devscripts_2.19.5_amd64.deb. The files in the repository have other names, e.g. devscripts_2.19.5+deb10u1_amd64.deb
• 1686[19:10:09] <rm200910> Is this usual?
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• 1688[19:10:27] <greycat> Yes. A security or other bug-fix update was released, and your apt-get is still trying to get the old one.
• 1689[19:10:29] <nvz> diogenes_: /var/log/journal/fb83a78decaa40de9d575041aab701fd/
• 1690[19:10:38] <greycat> Thus, my questions about HTTP proxies and invalid timestamps on the list files.
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• 1694[19:12:10] <gluon> is it fine to rm .ucf-dist files once i no longer need them (already merged differences) or is there a better dpkg-reconfigure way to delete them?
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• 1704[19:18:20] <diogenes_> nvz, so maybe introduce a size limit?
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• 1709[19:20:50] <johnfg> hi guys
• 1710[19:21:07] <johnfg> I'm over in #openvpn too, but not getting any response yet.
• 1711[19:21:21] <johnfg> openvpn client is still not starting with systemd.
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• 1718[19:27:13] <nyov> gluon: that's the way I'm doing it, necessarily. I am not aware of any automated cleanup process for these files
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• 1722[19:28:53] <gluon> nyov: thanks!
• 1723[19:29:54] <nyov> nothing to thank me for. it's a hassle alright, dealing with these files on sys-upgrades manually :p
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• 1726[19:33:27] <nvz> diogenes_: yeah my point was I didnt know how to work journald other than the basics of viewing stuff.. I'll look into it I guess :P
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• 1729[19:34:03] <nvz> i didnt think I'd get this much logs or I'd have maybe thought of that when I enabled persistent logging :D
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• 1731[19:34:16] <Bushmaster> hi can anyone help me to resolve this issue in apache server replaced-url
• 1732[19:34:34] <nvz> right now I can't find my external drive and my disk is running full.. and I got logs going back months I dont need
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• 1742[19:44:02] <tw> dpkg -S /usr/sbin/bridge -> no package found
• 1743[19:44:02] <dpkg> Badgers ate my /usr/sbin/bridge -> no package found!
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• 1745[19:44:13] <tw> I probably shouldn't have typed it quite that way.
• 1746[19:44:46] <greycat> try /sbin/bridge
• 1747[19:44:49] <tw> Anyway, is there a reliable way to use dpkg -S with /sbin and /bin symlink
• 1748[19:45:00] <greycat> my /sbin/bridge isn't a symlink
• 1749[19:45:43] <tw> your system is well configured. I did a default install and it did the bin and sbin symlink to usr/bin,usr/sbin
• 1750[19:46:00] <greycat> mine's an upgrade, and I didn't do the optional usrmerge
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• 1766[19:58:44] <tw> Is there a replacement for `dpkg -S $(which CMD)` that will work reliably with usr merge?
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• 1768[19:59:54] <greycat> Other than "try both possibilities"? Probably not. You have no easy way to know which one the package actually created.
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• 1773[20:02:16] <tw> Okay, seems like something I'm going to have to live with. Thanks for the help.
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• 1786[20:08:20] <Akuw> i need to download openjdk-8-jre-headless:amd64
• 1787[20:08:43] <Akuw> where can i find that 8u121-b13-1~bpo8+1
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• 1793[20:11:22] <towo`> Akuw, why you want such old packages?
• 1794[20:11:47] <Akuw> there is one small server using that version
• 1795[20:11:55] <Akuw> i just have t install that
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• 1808[20:18:28] <warsoul> lately when i boot my pc is giving me hardware issue after a restart it works fine
• 1809[20:18:35] <warsoul> should i do a kernel update?
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• 1811[20:20:02] <Akuw> actually openjdk is in main in Jessie ?
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• 1823[20:30:39] <Akuw> are " openjdk-8-jdk and openjdk-8-jdk-headless " in main repository?
• 1824[20:31:24] <greycat> Why are you asking US? You have the SAME tools and resources we do. Check for yourself.
• 1825[20:31:34] <towo`> yes, there are
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• 1834[20:33:39] <Akuw> greycat: there is no such .deb file
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• 1836[20:33:58] <greycat> sounds like towo disagrees
• 1837[20:34:14] <Akuw> is suppose to be called openjdk-8-jdk
• 1838[20:34:28] <greycat> ,v openjdk-8-jdk
• 1839[20:34:29] <judd> Package: openjdk-8-jdk on amd64 -- stretch: 8u222-b10-1~deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 8u232-b09-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 8u232-b09-1~deb9u1; sid: 8u232-b09-1
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• 1841[20:35:21] <greycat> but you've only been here for x years and have only seen us do that with the bot a few thousand times, so why bother learning to do it, when you could just ask us to do it for you AGAIN and AGAIN
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• 1857[20:45:39] <cybercrypto> ,v libpropc
• 1858[20:45:40] <judd> No package named 'libpropc' was found in amd64.
• 1859[20:45:52] <cybercrypto> ,v lib-propc
• 1860[20:45:53] <judd> No package named 'lib-propc' was found in amd64.
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• 1864[20:46:58] <cybercrypto> ,v libproplist
• 1865[20:47:01] <judd> No package named 'libproplist' was found in amd64.
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• 1873[20:50:48] <spacebug^> cybercrypto: If you are unsure about the name you might try replaced-url
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• 1890[20:57:35] <warsoul> can i install a bot like judd?
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• 1893[20:58:31] <stephen77> Howdy
• 1894[20:58:40] <joepublic> install it where?
• 1895[20:58:54] <stephen77> I'm having a problem where suspending my laptop by closing the lid causes it to not wake up - it turns back on but the screen is black
• 1896[20:59:03] <stephen77> I am able to switch to a tty and restart lightdm though
• 1897[20:59:13] <stephen77> I'm running xfce and xscreensaver
• 1898[21:01:40] <d9a> stephen77: I would try changing your screensaver/lock screen to gnome's to see if that resolves it. I had that problem, and I believe lightdm was the issue.
• 1899[21:01:54] <d9a> stephen77: I think xfce on Debian uses lightdm-greeter or whatever by default.
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• 1903[21:02:32] <greycat> people keep talking about the display manager in the context of screen locking, and I *still* do not understand the connection
• 1904[21:02:45] <stephen77> So use gdm instead of lightdm?
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• 1906[21:03:43] <d9a> stephen77: I think it's called something else
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• 1909[21:03:54] <d9a> greycat: I believe lightdm can be used for a screensaver replacement
• 1910[21:03:55] <greycat> gdm3 is the package for gnome 3's display manager
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• 1916[21:04:25] <d9a> stephen77: I think it's gnome-screensaver. Search apt and see.
• 1917[21:04:53] <stephen77> Wouldn't that still be running on lightdm?
• 1918[21:05:06] <d9a> No
• 1919[21:05:16] <d9a> stephen77: You have to change xflock or whatever the xfce script is
• 1920[21:05:25] <d9a> I'm not using xfce anymore, so I don't have it in front of me
• 1921[21:06:15] <d9a> Debian still used lightdm for the display manager, but I had it use GNOME's screensaver for the lock screen. Worked great. Before, I would have the same issue where the screen would stay black after locking or sleeping.
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• 1923[21:07:23] <d9a> greycat: It's called light-locker from what I'm seeing, and it relies on lightdm
• 1924[21:07:27] <d9a> So it's not lightdm directly
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• 1926[21:07:34] <bahamat> Anybody know if jessie supports efi booting?
• 1927[21:07:40] <d9a> bahamat: Yes
• 1928[21:07:56] <d9a> bahamat: Yes it does, not just yes I know. :)
• 1929[21:08:25] <stephen77> Alright I installed gnome-screensaver and modified xflock4. Anything else I need to do before trying a suspend and wake?
• 1930[21:08:25] <bahamat> d9a: In that case, I get this message: Boot Failed. EFI Misc Device
• 1931[21:08:34] <bahamat> Any pointers on what to look at to fix that?
• 1932[21:08:53] <d9a> stephen77: that's all I did.
• 1933[21:09:04] <d9a> stephen77: If it fails, I would try rebooting, but I don't think that's required
• 1934[21:09:13] <bahamat> I can switch back to bios booting in order to fix whatever, if there are suggestions.
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• 1936[21:09:39] <d9a> bahamat: Do you know what you did before this started occurring?
• 1937[21:09:45] <d9a> bahamat: Or has it always done this?
• 1938[21:10:05] <bahamat> d9a: I switched to a uefi boot rom.
• 1939[21:10:07] <d9a> bahamat: And I would upgrade at some point. Jessie is only supported until June.
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• 1943[21:10:43] <d9a> bahamat: Was it UEFI booting before?
• 1944[21:11:11] <bahamat> yeah, this vm is only incidental, I'm experimenting with the hypervisor and a debian-8 image was most readily available.
• 1945[21:11:24] <d9a> bahamat: Ok. That makes sense.
• 1946[21:11:38] <d9a> bahamat: I would check the efi partition and grub then if it was working before.
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• 1948[21:11:39] <bahamat> d9a: No, hypervisor defaults to bios, but supports uefi.
• 1949[21:11:48] <d9a> bahamat: Wait so it wasn't working before?
• 1950[21:11:59] <bahamat> It's never been working using efi, only bios.
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• 1952[21:12:08] <bahamat> When I switched the boot rom to uefi I get the above message.
• 1953[21:12:18] <d9a> bahamat: You have to install it after booting it via EFI
• 1954[21:12:31] <d9a> bahamat: Your Debian install is setup for legacy BIOS
• 1955[21:12:41] <bahamat> So there's no way to just switch it?
• 1956[21:12:43] <d9a> There might be a way to convert it, but I'm not sure.
• 1957[21:12:49] <d9a> You would need an EFI partition
• 1958[21:12:52] <bahamat> OK, let's see what google says.
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• 1965[21:15:10] <stephen_> I'm back
• 1966[21:15:16] <stephen_> I'm stephen77
• 1967[21:15:25] <stephen_> gnome-screensaver-command doesn't do anything
• 1968[21:15:38] <stephen_> Even still, it blackscreened on suspend and died as usual
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• 1970[21:16:08] <stephen_> I'm running nvidia optimus on a thinkpad t530
• 1971[21:16:18] <greycat> oh fudge
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• 1973[21:16:29] <d9a> That might do it.
• 1974[21:16:36] <d9a> I had the issue with Intel on my X220
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• 1977[21:17:31] <d9a> stephen_: what happens when you run "gnome-screensaver-command --lock"? You might get suspended if it doesn't work
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• 1981[21:18:17] <stephen77> Back again
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• 1983[21:18:21] <stephen77> Flaky connection
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• 1987[21:19:02] <stephen77> Another problem I'm having - Debian is completely ignoring my custom module options, so when I boot my computer I have to rmmod and them modprobe for it to read the config
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• 1994[21:22:43] <warsoul> how can i write a *.iso image the right way to a usb?
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• 1996[21:23:17] <towo`> warsoul, with dd, cat or copy
• 1997[21:23:17] <greycat> If it's a Debian installer image, cp foobar.iso /dev/sdx
• 1998[21:23:18] <slimefoot> warsoul: depends on the iso image, but if it's a distro installation image, nowadays most ISOs are hybrid images, and you can just dd it onto the usb device
• 1999[21:23:22] <d9a> warsoul: What iso are you trying to write? Usually you can just use dd (be VERY careful with this command)
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• 2005[21:23:41] <slimefoot> ah yes, s/dd/cp/ - probably easier
• 2006[21:24:02] <joepublic> you could also use dclfdd which is easier to sit through
• 2007[21:24:30] <warsoul> ok
• 2008[21:24:37] <warsoul> why have to be carefull with this command?
• 2009[21:25:05] <greycat> if you specify the wrong destination device, you'll frag your file system(s)
• 2010[21:25:06] <d9a> warsoul: If you do the wrong arguments, you can wipe out your hard drive (if you accidentally write to it instead of your USB for example)
• 2011[21:25:06] <joepublic> if you accidently type the wrong device name, dd will cheerfully blow away your storage devices.
• 2012[21:25:20] <d9a> warsoul: Its nickname is "disk destroyer"
• 2013[21:25:22] <warsoul> i want to write to a usb
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• 2015[21:25:47] <d9a> warsoul: Basically just double check your of argument is correct before hitting enter is all.
• 2016[21:25:50] <greycat> (1) insert USB device, (2) dmesg | tail, (3) read the output, figure out what the device name is, (4) cp file /dev/whatever
• 2017[21:26:16] <greycat> (0) make sure nothing automounts the USB device, or else (1.5) unmount it and make sure it stays unmounted
• 2018[21:26:31] <joepublic> (-1) be root
• 2019[21:26:52] <slimefoot> that's more (3.5) ^^
• 2020[21:27:03] <d9a> s/dmesg | tail/lsblk
• 2021[21:27:13] <greycat> turning off a user-interface's automounted might require that you be non-root, and inserting the hardware is agnostic
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• 2023[21:27:28] <d9a> lsblk is much easier to read unless you have a ton of devices that are the same size and you don't know what order they are
• 2024[21:27:40] <warsoul> greycat and i cant just drag the iso installer in the usb?
• 2025[21:27:45] <warsoul> or that will not work?
• 2026[21:28:02] <joepublic> dmesg tells you what was inserted most recently. that's a pretty handy thing.
• 2027[21:28:21] <greycat> if you aren't sure whether your user-interface does automounting crap, the easiest thing to do might be to log out of your desktop COMPLETELY, get thee to a console (ctrl-alt-f2), and login as root there.
• 2028[21:28:29] <d9a> joepublic: Which is the one case I specified lsblk wasn't good for.
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• 2030[21:28:40] <d9a> warsoul: Because you need to make the disk bootable.
• 2031[21:28:49] <d9a> warsoul: copying it won't write the partition table
• 2032[21:29:02] <bahamat> d9a: Ok, closing the loop on this, I found a guide, but it's non-trivial: replaced-url
• 2033[21:29:26] <bahamat> So it's possible, but one should really avoid it.
• 2034[21:29:27] <d9a> bahamat: Thanks for following up
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• 2036[21:29:47] <d9a> bahamat: Honestly, legacy booting is probably fine unless you have a specific need.
• 2037[21:30:05] <d9a> I switched to UEFI years ago, and now that I understand it, I havne't gone back.
• 2038[21:30:55] <bahamat> Yeah, I'm trying to get a vnc console on bhyve, and it works with the efi boot rom (but I only get an error message), and with the bios boot rom I can connect vnc, but the display is blank.
• 2039[21:30:57] <graphicsv> How can I install libpng 12 on Debian buster?
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• 2042[21:31:26] <greycat> graphicsv: download it manually from a jessie archive, and install the .deb with dpkg -i
• 2043[21:31:39] *** camelCase is now known as _camelCase
• 2044[21:31:41] <greycat> (or multiple .deb files if you're trying to compile something)
• 2045[21:31:42] <graphicsv> greycat: `unable to install new version of '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpng12.so.0': No such file or directory`
• 2046[21:31:56] <greycat> sounds like you're not compiling, so just the shared lib, then
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• 2049[21:33:31] <graphicsv> I did `sudo dpkg -i libpng12-0_1.2.50-2+deb8u3_amd64.deb` so I can't install it for some reason
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• 2051[21:34:04] <jak2000> hi all
• 2052[21:34:08] <graphicsv> `/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/` exists. I tried to `touch /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpng12.so.0` but when I try to install it again, the file is removed
• 2053[21:34:13] <jak2000> replaced-url
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• 2055[21:35:30] <cybercrypto> spacebug^: thanks. I have found it using the web search.
• 2056[21:35:33] <towo`> jak2000, because you do it all wrong!
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• 2058[21:35:53] <jak2000> towo` why? advice me please
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• 2060[21:36:01] <towo`> jak2000, think!
• 2061[21:36:20] <towo`> that path is not in $PATH of root
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• 2063[21:36:36] <towo`> and starting a java app as root is a stupid idea
• 2064[21:36:55] <greycat> s/as root // # ;-)
• 2065[21:36:55] <jak2000> only test java version
• 2066[21:37:03] <slimefoot> a program doesn't need to be in $PATH if you specify the full path, though
• 2067[21:37:05] <jak2000> ok how to add to $PATH
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• 2070[21:37:56] <slimefoot> so that error message shouldn't be there - the question is rather how that program there was compiled - what's the output of `file java` there?
• 2071[21:38:25] <towo`> slimefoot, he has not specifyed the foll path
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• 2073[21:38:39] <towo`> so the error message is absolutely correct
• 2074[21:38:42] <jak2000> java: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, interpreter /lib/ld-linux.so.2, for GNU/Linux 2.6.9, not stripped
• 2075[21:38:48] <slimefoot> towo`: they totally have
• 2076[21:38:53] <towo`> ./java --version would work
• 2077[21:38:55] <slimefoot> jak2000: is that a 32-bit machine?
• 2078[21:39:16] <jak2000> not
• 2079[21:39:18] <jak2000> i see...
• 2080[21:39:31] <slimefoot> jak2000: if not, do you have the 32-bit ld.so installed? (I'm not exactly sure what's required, but you can't run 32-bit binaries otherwise)
• 2081[21:39:38] <slimefoot> towo`: read their paste again, carefully
• 2082[21:39:57] <towo`> ok, overseen that
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• 2084[21:40:27] <towo`> then you are right, 32bit jave can't be executed on 64bit without multiarch
• 2085[21:40:42] <towo`> for that, java 64bit exists
• 2086[21:40:48] <greycat> why would you want to run 32-bit java on amd64 though
• 2087[21:41:19] <slimefoot> yeah, actually, instead of multiarch, why not just get the x86_64/amd64 version of java?
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• 2091[21:42:11] <jak2000> yea wrong file...
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• 2097[21:43:32] <jak2000> done...
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• 2107[21:50:21] <jak2000> how to copy files to a directory but only Files That not exist on dest directory?
• 2108[21:51:27] <greycat> GNU cp has a --no-clobber option, maybe you could look into that
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• 2110[21:51:41] <jak2000> ok
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• 2164[22:25:58] <stephen77> Howdy - me again
• 2165[22:26:13] <stephen77> Is there something I have to do to activate a modprobe config file? Not sure if that's the right name for it
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• 2167[22:26:32] <stephen77> When I turn my computer on, or it awakens from sleep, I have to rmmod and modprobe a module
• 2168[22:26:37] <stephen77> Specifically iwlwifi
• 2169[22:27:05] <greycat> Not a modprobe config file, then. A "hook" that gets executed when you awaken.
• 2170[22:27:10] <hatter__> When upgrade from jessie to stretch, I accidentally did a 'apt full-upgrade' instead of 'apt dist-upgrade' - is that bad ?
• 2171[22:27:19] <greycat> hatter__: they're the same thing
• 2172[22:27:54] <greycat> "apt dist-upgrade" is provided for people who were used to "apt-get dist-upgrade" and type it by mistake
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• 2174[22:28:28] <stephen77> greycat, it's a file that says "options iwlwifi ..." inside
• 2175[22:28:40] <greycat> That is not the file you want.
• 2176[22:28:49] <stephen77> I strongly disagree
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• 2178[22:28:55] <stephen77> That's the file getting ignored
• 2179[22:28:56] <greycat> That is a file that would set various options for the iwlwifi module in the event that it happens to be loaded.
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• 2181[22:29:09] <greycat> What you WANT is a hook that will run "rmmod" and "modprobe" at a certain time, specifically, when you awaken from sleep.
• 2182[22:29:12] <stephen77> Yeah, and it's not getting loaded unless I run rmmod and modprobe
• 2183[22:29:19] <stephen77> That is not correct
• 2184[22:29:24] <greycat> *plonk*
• 2185[22:29:31] <stephen77> I don't appreciate the tone regardless
• 2186[22:30:04] <stephen77> Let me try again
• 2187[22:30:17] <stephen77> I am using iwlwifi
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• 2191[22:30:29] <stephen77> If I run it without n_disabled=8, my wifi is incredibly slow
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• 2193[22:30:43] <hatter__> greycat, ok thx. I also thought I had rebooted the box after moving from 7 to 8, however I didn't. now it gets lots of timeouts I think related to the dbus ?
• 2194[22:30:59] <stephen77> when I boot my computer with `options iwlwifi n_disabled=8` in the file I mentioned previously, my wifi is slow.
• 2195[22:31:00] <hatter__> Failed to execute operation: Connection timed out
• 2196[22:31:10] <stephen77> When I run rmmod and modprobe, it goes fast again
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• 2198[22:31:22] <stephen77> When I suspend my computer and wake it up again, my wifi is slow
• 2199[22:31:33] <stephen77> This persists until I unload and load iwlwifi, like I do on boot
• 2200[22:31:59] <stephen77> Do you see now? Your suggestion is a bandaid fix, at best
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• 2202[22:34:47] <swift110> I get that Bunsenlabs and Debian are two different projects but why is it that when I get onto Bunsenlabs it takes me to debian?
• 2203[22:35:23] <Habbie> swift110, 'get onto'?
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• 2205[22:35:46] <Habbie> swift110, "The distribution consists of configuration and resource packages installed on top of Debian."
• 2206[22:35:48] <greycat> If you mean "when I run this here IRC client", most likely they either (a) inherited Debian's configs and didn't bother to change them, or (b) explicitly chose to send their users to a different channel because they couldn't be bothered to offer any help.
• 2207[22:36:37] <swift110> greycat you got it.
• 2208[22:36:50] <stephen77> greycat, did you see what I posted above?
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• 2210[22:37:26] <swift110> yes I did I was telling you that you was on point with your answer
• 2211[22:37:37] <swift110> thanks
• 2212[22:38:20] <swift110> There is a channel for it on irc but it's pretty much dead
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• 2217[22:41:28] <rebrec> hello, i am trying to watch movies on my TV connected to my computer with an HDMI cable. I cannot make it work. In pavucontrol, i have tried to setup the output as HDMI but no sound is available on my TV (the TV and HDMI cable work perfectly from another computer), could some of you give me hints on what could be wrong please ?
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• 2219[22:43:00] <jhutchins> `j osx
• 2220[22:43:16] <dvs> *gasp*
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• 2222[22:45:24] <jhutchins> Apparently they have their own server/network.
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• 2269[23:20:14] <Guest6> high brooda
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• 2273[23:24:01] <Guest6> what about publish "trello", a pack-compressed|mountable fullfil src-libs&depencies-binaries on the fly apply pgrade
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• 2278[23:26:33] <Guest6> another hint: fork sysbase with wine to gaming
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• 2280[23:26:44] <Guest6> note
• 2281[23:26:50] <Guest6> quot
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• 2285[23:28:46] <Guest6> pine_gaming := fork sysbase with wine to gaming
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• 2287[23:29:23] <Guest6> byebye etctherowl
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• 2323[23:51:04] <nvz> rebrec: did you check the applications tab for the application you are trying to use?
• 2324[23:51:24] <nvz> rebrec: the applications tab in pavucontrol should show which output its using for that app..
• 2325[23:51:53] <nvz> I guess its the "playback" tab
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