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• 17[00:08:13] <annadane> purge or remove?
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• 24[00:10:35] <VLMC> Is there a torrent download for the Debian netinstall? debian.org is really slow atm
• 25[00:10:44] <xdruppi> VLMC yes there is
• 26[00:10:48] <xdruppi> hold on let me search for it
• 27[00:10:56] <VLMC> link for x64, I couldn't find it on debian.org
• 28[00:11:35] <xdruppi> sure
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• 30[00:11:58] <xdruppi> VLMC: replaced-url
• 31[00:11:58] <hesco> whislock: thank you. I started using ip rather than ifconfig about five years ago, but somehow missed the ss utility. I'm guessing it is also a part of the iproute2 project, perhaps. Appreciate the pointer.
• 32[00:12:10] <VLMC> xdruppi: cheers!
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• 35[00:12:29] <xdruppi> VLMC: does that website work?
• 36[00:12:38] <xdruppi> for you i mean
• 37[00:12:44] <VLMC> xdruppi: Yes it does, the links are lower down the page
• 38[00:12:51] <xdruppi> yeah alright
• 39[00:12:59] <VLMC> >4.20 mbps
• 40[00:13:05] <VLMC> Much better than a direct download.
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• 42[00:13:45] <VLMC> replaced-url
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• 44[00:14:23] <annadane> i found that link but assumed it wasn't correct because 'cd' and not netinst
• 45[00:14:37] <annadane> oh. okay. there's a netinst there
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• 52[00:19:47] <Aebian> So my dns dropped even for irc. DNS resolv.conf entry is nameserver 127.0.0.53
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• 62[00:24:15] <bites> so you have some resolver running on 127.0.0.53? which one? does it show up on ss -tulpn ?
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• 66[00:26:47] <Aebian> bites: it does not. Only thing that shows up regarding DNS is the multicast dns on udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:5353 0.0.0.0:* -
• 67[00:27:27] <bites> so your resolver is not running. which one did you think you were using?
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• 69[00:28:09] <Aebian> I'm actually not sure. I just noticed that suddenly all dns request were failing
• 70[00:28:36] <bites> where did you get the idea to point resolv.conf to 127.0.0.53?
• 71[00:29:10] <Aebian> I didn't, it's in there by default
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• 73[00:29:28] <Aebian> so I wasn't touching anything
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• 75[00:30:10] <bites> did you try to change dns through something like network-manager?
• 76[00:30:24] <Aebian> no, I wasn't messing with it at all
• 77[00:31:47] <bites> well, set it to something sensible like 8.8.8.8 for now. it will likely be overwritten again if it has been set automatically.
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• 80[00:33:23] <Aebian> do I need to restart anything cause it is not working still after the change
• 81[00:34:10] <bites> no. is resolv.conf a symlink? ls -l /etc/resolv.conf
• 82[00:35:15] <bites> need to go for a minute.
• 83[00:35:18] <Aebian> it is, I edited /lib/systemd/resolv.conf
• 84[00:35:27] <Aebian> which is the file it points to
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• 86[00:36:18] <jardiamj> Hello everyone, I have this 3 computers: 1- Thinkpad Laptop running Debian, 2- Raspberry pi with Raspbian where I'm running Home Assistant, 3- Old Dell Inspiron with Debian running my Weewx server.
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• 89[00:36:52] <jardiamj> Here is my issue, I can ssh to Raspberry pi from Thinkpad laptop, no problem
• 90[00:36:59] <bites> q
• 91[00:37:10] <jardiamj> I can ssh to Dell Inspiron from Raspberry pi, no problem
• 92[00:37:13] <bites> Aebian: ah, so you are using systemd-resolved
• 93[00:37:25] <jardiamj> but I can't ssh or even ping the Dell Inspiron laptop from my Thinkpad
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• 95[00:38:49] <bites> Aebian: is it running? systemctl status systemd-resolved
• 96[00:39:25] <watchcat> dell firewall only allows connections from certain ip addresses?
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• 98[00:39:43] <Aebian> Active: inactive (dead)
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• 100[00:40:56] <Aebian> I started it
• 101[00:40:57] <bites> restart it and check the logs for errors. or remove resolv.conf and create a new file with a nameserver entry.
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• 108[00:43:40] <sn00ker> hi all
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• 111[00:44:09] <sn00ker> can i change my ssd from notebook one to notebook two without problmes?
• 112[00:44:37] <bites> yes
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• 114[00:44:54] <jardiamj> I don't remember configuring any firewall, I don't even know how to do that to be hones
• 115[00:45:00] <sn00ker> and the debian runs too?
• 116[00:46:48] <altker128> sn00ker: It should, Debian & Linux in general is pretty good. But your Ethernet or wireless network configuration might need tweaking
• 117[00:47:40] <sn00ker> ok
• 118[00:47:42] <sn00ker> thanks
• 119[00:48:24] <aloo_shu> annadane: to my understanding, purge and remove make a difference regarding removing config files, too, but both should give an error as long as packages still depend on the removal candidate. --force-depends or similar should change that, but that's not a good idea
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• 121[00:49:59] <tomreyn> sn00ker: also be aware that you'd need to ensure the boots happens using the same mechanism: either 'legacy' BIOS or UEFI.
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• 123[00:50:22] <tomreyn> (so depending on what you have now)
• 124[00:51:34] <aloo_shu> or maybe, there'd be a prompt to consent to remove dependants
• 125[00:53:00] <violentE> I booted up debian stretch and I had the error /sbin/init no such file or directory. So I mounted it, and chroot, and did apt update (everything was fine it worked like I thought it would, 6 packages need to be updated) and I did: update-initramfs -c -k 4.9.0-8-amd64. to which it said: /proc/cpuinfo: no such file/dir, cat: /proc/cmdline: no such file/dit, warning couldn't identify file system type for fsck hood, igoring. setupcon is missing please
• 126[00:53:00] <violentE> install 'console-setup'. So I did and it errors saying console-setup depends on console-setup-linux and pkg-config depends on libdpgk-perl, do --fix-broken install, so I do and theres all these packages to be removed, and pkg-config, along with perl errors: setting locale failed check locale settings and can't locate dpkg/arch.pm in @INC. I tried to install the packages that are missing dependencies but it doesn't work. it just goes in circles,
• 127[00:53:04] <violentE> pkg-config needs libpkg-perl needs perl need perl-base need libpkg-perl
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• 129[00:53:38] <jardiamj> whatchat, ufw status says inactive.
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• 133[01:01:09] <Aebian> bites: I have three nameservers in there now but still no luck. I will go to sleep now and try this tomorrow.
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• 139[01:04:34] <aloo_shu> violentE: did you do all the required bind-mounts before chrooting?
• 140[01:05:03] <violentE> no what are all the required bind-mounts I need to do
• 141[01:05:50] <aloo_shu> hmm, wait
• 142[01:06:18] <aloo_shu> /dev /proc /run and a few more
• 143[01:06:36] <aloo_shu> depending on what you want to do
• 144[01:07:09] <violentE> well idk just trying to rescue from kernel panic
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• 148[01:08:56] <violentE> how to I mount those - /dev /proc /run - that bind them
• 149[01:09:23] <aloo_shu> yeah, /sys too, and sometimes /dev/pts explicitly
• 150[01:09:35] <violentE> ok
• 151[01:10:39] <violentE> is it --rbind or --bind
• 152[01:10:53] <aloo_shu> the idea is, these are directories used for communication between OS, kernel, hardware
• 153[01:11:23] <violentE> ok
• 154[01:12:08] <aloo_shu> these dirs are normally populated during boot, but since what you're chrooting into, hasn't been booted, they're dead there
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• 156[01:12:33] <violentE> wont mounting to them to spots within the file system overwrite existing ones
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• 160[01:13:42] <aloo_shu> no, bind[mounting doesn't overwrite a thing
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• 164[01:14:32] <aloo_shu> usually it's a one liner, something like
• 165[01:14:35] <EdePopede> on replaced-url
• 166[01:16:24] <bites> just update the links you think need updating.
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• 171[01:17:09] <aloo_shu> for i in /dev /dev/pts /proc /run /sys /tmp; do mount --bind $i <chrootdir>$i; done
• 172[01:17:29] <aloo_shu> (someone correct me if that's wrong)
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• 174[01:17:58] <EdePopede> have to check if i already have an account there (i'm not so fast with creating them)
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• 178[01:20:01] <violentE> ok I got that aloo_shu
• 179[01:20:07] <violentE> now what
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• 182[01:21:41] <aloo_shu> violentE: where <chrootdir> is what you'll chroot into later
• 183[01:22:00] <violentE> yeah
• 184[01:22:06] <violentE> I've chroot
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• 192[01:27:17] <aloo_shu> violentE: I don't know in what state your system is after that failure, and I've lost connection in the middle and cannot scroll back up to your description, I'd try to fix broken packages, then try to install what you wanted to, or try if it's bootable again. might have to do a clean update-initramfs, too (I think with -u, read manpage). that's how far I can help, feel free to ask others if needed
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• 195[01:29:23] <aloo_shu> but probably update-initramfs had exited with an error before, and not touched initrd
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• 197[01:30:35] <violentE> I tried update-initramfs -u errors on perl: setting locale failed
• 198[01:31:19] <violentE> needs console-setup, tried to install that and then I'm back on dependency issue: console-setup-linux
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• 261[02:30:27] <bindi> how can I safely initiate a reboot on Debian stretch?
• 262[02:30:51] <bindi> without logging in. I've forgotten my password (or i've been haxxored) and I need to get to grub but I don't want to force reboot
• 263[02:31:22] <bindi> nevermind I remembered the password now. stupid me :D
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• 318[03:27:52] <brw> bindi: if you are on the console, ctrl-alt-del works
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• 338[03:45:07] <fling> Which debian version to use for a bitcoin wallet? Buster?
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• 342[03:47:22] <qubenix> fling: i use stretch. which wallet do you want to use?
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• 356[04:00:31] <fling> qubenix: idk, probably core. Which one is better?
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• 364[04:03:43] <qubenix> core is the #1 choice for sure if you can handle the footprint. prob. should go to #bitcoin i think were going offtopic here.
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• 369[04:06:05] <SerajewelKS> i just switched back from #bitcoin and had to double-check that i actually switched tabs
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• 371[04:06:55] <SerajewelKS> fling: core if you can store a growing 200GB database and have enough memory and CPU to spare to validate the chain. otherwise, an SPV wallet like electrum.
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• 373[04:07:18] <SerajewelKS> but i wouldn't use the versions in debian stable, they're rather old
• 374[04:07:50] <SerajewelKS> note that SPV wallets have security and privacy implications
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• 377[04:08:19] <SerajewelKS> both of which can be fairly reasonably mitigated by having the SPV wallet use tor for all connections
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• 379[04:08:41] <qubenix> SerajewelKS: using tor doesn't fix address aggregation
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• 381[04:11:57] <SerajewelKS> that depends, don't bloom filters provide enough reasonable doubt?
• 382[04:11:57] <fling> qubenix: the footprint?
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• 386[04:11:57] <fling> SerajewelKS: I have 32 cores and 128G of ram, plenty of storage
• 387[04:11:57] <SerajewelKS> fling: a full node requires 200+GB of disk space (_without_ indexes) and grows daily
• 388[04:11:57] <SerajewelKS> fling: then you should be momre than fine
• 389[04:11:57] <SerajewelKS> more*
• 390[04:11:57] <SerajewelKS> what type of storage (HDD/SSD/other?)
• 391[04:12:10] <SerajewelKS> any raid layers?
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• 393[04:12:24] <fling> SerajewelKS: I have two cheap chinese ssds for root pool, and multiple 6-drive raidz2 pools for storages
• 394[04:12:47] <fling> SerajewelKS: I'm using cheap old 2T seagate hdds for most of the pools :P
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• 396[04:13:21] <SerajewelKS> ok. then your initial sync of the blockchain will probably be bottlenecked by the HDDs seeking all over the place to validate transactions.
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• 399[04:13:52] * fling will continue in #bitcoin
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• 401[04:14:34] <qubenix> SerajewelKS: i dont think any light clients are using bloom filters. i repeatedly hear that electrumx servers know all addresses checked.
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• 428[04:37:04] <fling> How to uninstall icons, docs, manpages and extra locales? They are taking too much space for a minimal system.
• 429[04:37:56] <dvs> fling, why are there icons in a minimal install?
• 430[04:38:55] <fling> dvs: idk, probably got installed as a dependency.
• 431[04:39:18] <fling> I'm not sure what is the proper way of excluding packages and/or dirs from the install.
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• 438[04:43:13] <dvs> Yeah, there's a task that needs to be unselected during the install to prevent gnome from being installed by default.
• 439[04:43:38] <fling> dvs: I don't have gnome installed
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• 441[04:46:44] <epicmetal> fling: you could just carefully remove stuff with apt
• 442[04:46:59] <epicmetal> i.e. check what else gets removed with it, make sure you don't remove anything you need
• 443[04:47:35] <epicmetal> you probably want a system backup before doing this if you care about productive use of your system in case you get too adventurous
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• 445[04:51:46] <fling> epicmetal: I updated system and now getting libgnutls.so.30 error in firefox in torbrowser-launcher ;P
• 446[04:53:26] <fling> //usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgnutls.so.l0: undefined symbol: __gmpz_limbs_write
• 447[04:54:02] <fling> Failed to load module: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gio/modules/libgiognutls.so
• 448[04:54:54] <fling> glib-networking is installed hmm hmmmm
• 449[04:56:01] <fling> Will just try to republish
• 450[04:56:42] <fling> epicmetal: how to carefully remove /usr/share/doc with apt? :P
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• 454[05:00:48] <dvs> fling, well, that's impossible since almost every package has an entry in /usr/share/doc
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• 458[05:02:25] <fling> dvs: how to blacklist/skip? certain packages like icons from being installed?
• 459[05:03:10] <watchcat> you've done apt clean already i presume?
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• 475[05:19:35] <fling> watchcat: yes
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• 498[05:31:11] <epicmetal> fling: it's almost like you want dpkg to just silently not write to a specific pathname glob. No idea if it supports that
• 499[05:33:22] <fling> Is debian 10 not stable enough?
• 500[05:34:11] <epicmetal> fling: 10 isn't released
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• 527[05:57:02] <watchcat> bleachbit might help a little, also disabling "recommends".
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• 535[06:07:48] <fling> How to fix Error opening terminal: screen.xterm-256color. ?
• 536[06:09:31] <rwp> epicmetal, fling, One can always install a dpkg "diversion" and then it will install a path in a diverted path.
• 537[06:09:54] <epicmetal> rwp: yeah but can you do that to /dev/null
• 538[06:10:05] <rwp> Not a directory.
• 539[06:10:13] <epicmetal> That's a shame
• 540[06:10:27] <rwp> Not in my opinion.
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• 542[06:10:44] <rwp> One can always re-package a package and make it different and install it instead.
• 543[06:11:06] <rwp> Or one can use the 'equivs' to create a package that is simply a placeholder for one installed not by dpkg.
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• 545[06:11:23] <epicmetal> Or you could just run Linux From Scratch
• 546[06:11:39] <rwp> Or there is Linux from Scratch...
• 547[06:12:12] <rwp> Or there are people who populate /usr/local (or /local) with almost a full OS there and let those local paths override the system paths.
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• 553[06:26:31] <SerajewelKS> personally i like to throw non-distro stuff in /opt/$PROGRAMNAME
• 554[06:26:49] <SerajewelKS> makes it much easier to keep track of what's distro-provided and what's not
• 555[06:27:04] <SerajewelKS> i can symlink stuff into the various bin directories if i need to
• 556[06:27:12] <SerajewelKS> (though i usually prefer altering PATH)
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• 559[06:28:06] <SerajewelKS> especially when statically linking stuff. because then i can just tar up the /opt after make install, and untar it on damn near any linux distro and have it work
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• 569[06:35:51] <rwp> Debian does not install anything in /usr/local and therefore anything in either /usr/local or /opt is a local admin installation.
• 570[06:36:18] <rwp> Personally I like to install local stuff in /usr/local/stow and then use GNU stow to maintain symlinks into /usr/local/bin.
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• 573[06:40:14] <SpeedyG> hm, never heard of that before :) nice
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• 711[08:34:11] <squarecircle> I'm getting a "lua.h fatal error no such file"-message, liblua5.3 is installed though
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• 716[08:35:58] <bites> header files are in the liblua5.3-dev package.
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• 723[08:37:11] <squarecircle> liblua5.3-dev is already the newest version (5.3.3-1).
• 724[08:37:29] <squarecircle> am there, apted that
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• 729[08:42:24] <squarecircle> if I'm changing the source file that the include directly pointers to /usr/include/lua5.3/lua.h, it works
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• 731[08:42:32] <squarecircle> there might be a bug
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• 736[08:44:00] <squarecircle> well the missing libpcre3-dev could be found after being apted
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• 738[08:44:14] <squarecircle> the lua stuff fif not
• 739[08:44:20] <squarecircle> *did not
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• 753[08:47:44] <squarecircle> If someone might know, how to fix this
• 754[08:47:52] <squarecircle> I'd be glad to receive help
• 755[08:48:09] <bites> it's probably intended. there are multiple lua versions in stable.
• 756[08:48:24] <bites> just pass -I/usr/include/lua5.3/ to gcc.
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• 758[08:48:47] <squarecircle> bites: somewhere in the Makefile, I guess
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• 760[08:49:25] <bites> yes
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• 764[08:51:32] <squarecircle> bites: replaced-url
• 765[08:51:46] <squarecircle> I've never seen this as a Makefile
• 766[08:51:56] <squarecircle> how does this even works?
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• 771[08:53:59] <bites> changes directory to src and calls the makefile there.
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• 774[08:54:25] <bites> line 2
• 775[08:54:55] <squarecircle> bites: thanks, missed that
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• 781[08:57:00] <jim> hi, I'm trying to install the basic kernel, would that be linux-image?
• 782[08:57:29] <squarecircle> bites: worked for gcc, now the linker complains
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• 785[08:58:01] <Tom-_> !kernel
• 786[08:58:03] <dpkg> Linux kernel versions, mainline: 5.0-rc1, mainline: 4.20, stable 4.19: 4.19.13, longterm 4.14: 4.14.91, longterm 4.9: 4.9.148, longterm 4.4: 4.4.169, longterm 3.18: 3.18.131 (EOL), longterm 3.16: 3.16.62, linux-next: next-20190107
• 787[08:58:33] <Tom-_> <dpkg> i guess linux is closed <-- this factoid needs fixing :)
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• 790[08:59:05] <bites> squarecircle: just paste the output to replaced-url
• 791[08:59:07] <Tom-_> jim, it might be linux-image-amd64
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• 793[08:59:59] <bites> squarecircle: have to go now anyway. good luck.
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• 795[09:01:18] <squarecircle> bites: thank you very much :)
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• 821[09:13:02] <squarecircle> where may I find the lua-library for my linker to search for?
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• 854[09:34:04] <jim> Tom-_, yep, I think you're right
• 855[09:34:51] <Tom-_> squarecircle, ever build from source before? do you have liblua-dev installed or whatever it is?
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• 857[09:36:02] <squarecircle> Tom-_: the Makefile is a bit broken
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• 860[09:36:30] <squarecircle> Tom-_: I have the problem, that I run into certificate problems with imapfilter
• 861[09:36:33] <Tom-_> well you can do dpkg -L liblua-dev and add I think -L to the command line
• 862[09:36:52] <squarecircle> Tom-_: I fixed that problem
• 863[09:37:04] <Tom-_> i don't know how to help you with that last problem
• 864[09:37:10] <squarecircle> Tom-_: building from source does not fixes my problem
• 865[09:37:22] <squarecircle> my actual problem is the not working certs
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• 869[09:39:11] <cmptr> I am here.
• 870[09:39:36] <jim> hi, I'm here with cmptr, and we're trying to troubleshoot a situation where when he boots, it can't find the / partition
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• 874[09:40:39] <jim> cmptr, tell them what you did to try to remove the existing kernel
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• 883[09:44:52] <cmptr> I logged in. did sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get -fV dist-upgrade --no-install-recommends I checked for a new kernel. There was. I installed it. I went to purge the previous one. I got a warning saying that I shouldn't do it. I chose the option 'yes' to NOT uninstall it. I rebooted, uuid was not found. I booted Debian Live. chroot into the root drive following the instruction given by /msg dpkg
• 884[09:44:54] <cmptr> chroot changing -t ext2 to ext4 (I did not mount the boot drive or the home drive). I did update-grub, purged the newely installed kernel, double checked and tried intalling the previous one again. Rebooted. Same error. Followed jim instructions, installed linux-image-amd64 and same error
• 885[09:46:19] <cmptr> The only difference is that before I booted into Debian Live and remvoed the newly installed kernel, I got this loop message script/block-local. I looked it up and apparently it has been a bug for a while now, but for most people it just delays the booting. However after I removed the newly installed kernel, I did not get that looping message.
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• 887[09:47:18] <squarecircle> a certificate validation failed, the program does accesses /etc/ssl/certs
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• 890[09:47:33] <squarecircle> can I just accept a cert?
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• 895[09:50:25] <cmptr> Also, when dropped to the shell trying to boot, I am not able to mount my nvme drive from busybox. No drives are listed whatsoever and I have a total of 4 drives.
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• 902[09:53:09] <cmptr> We have double checked the uuids and they all match and also ran fsck on all the partitions except the boot one.
• 903[09:53:25] <jim> cmptr, how long ago did you install the debian?
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• 906[09:53:49] <cmptr> More than 6 months ago.
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• 910[09:54:12] <jim> ok, so there's plenty of stuff installed I guess
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• 913[09:54:34] <cmptr> Oh yes.
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• 918[09:55:24] <cmptr> I did notice that something strange wanted to be installed when installing the new kernel. Let me double check what it was.
• 919[09:55:29] <squarecircle> mv I just deleted the old cert
• 920[09:55:31] <jim> was it all installed from the debian mirror?
• 921[09:55:40] <squarecircle> accepted the new one, -1 problem
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• 924[09:56:44] <cmptr> Yes it was. The package was gcc something but it was just x86 which I found quite strange because I don't have multi arch enabled.
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• 926[09:57:00] <cmptr> gcc-*-x86
• 927[09:57:01] <Tom-_> i don't understand uuids very well
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• 929[09:57:07] <Tom-_> you can try running grub-install from Debian Live
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• 931[09:58:02] <Tom-_> or check to see if lsblk and /etc/fstab coordinate
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• 933[09:58:05] <Tom-_> i don't really know
• 934[09:58:36] <plasmoduck> update-grub
• 935[09:58:46] <Tom-_> installing tonnes of stuff on Debian doesn't break initial booting stuff, unless it's related to it maybe. It shouldn't on any operating system/distribution, but this is Debian
• 936[09:59:09] <cmptr> I will check lsblk first.
• 937[09:59:29] <Tom-_> he said he did update-grub
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• 939[09:59:39] <Tom-_> cmptr, did you do update-grub from a chroot
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• 941[10:00:43] <jim> Tom-_, he might have done so before, but since that time, we built a chroot, and I bind-mounted /sys, /proc and /dev
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• 944[10:01:11] <Tom-_> which you seem to have to do to update grub nowadays
• 945[10:01:20] <jim> Tom-_, what I don't know is whether or not he did those bind mounts in the earlier chroot
• 946[10:01:44] <cmptr> If you /msg dpkg chroot that is exactly what I did.
• 947[10:02:10] <cmptr> Except instead of ext2 I did ext4 and instead of /target I used /mnt
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• 949[10:02:37] <cmptr> I also did the update-grub before I removed the newer kernel.
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• 951[10:02:57] <Tom-_> the filesystem type won't matter
• 952[10:03:06] <Tom-_> can you copy and paste the exact text you get when you try to boot?
• 953[10:03:36] <jim> Tom-_, he put a photo of that on imgur
• 954[10:03:44] <cmptr> replaced-url
• 955[10:04:51] <cmptr> fstab replaced-url
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• 958[10:05:12] <Tom-_> cmptr, you can check /boot/grub/grub.cfg i think to see if its UUID is correct
• 959[10:05:31] <cmptr> replaced-url
• 960[10:05:39] <cmptr> One step a head of ya.
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• 963[10:06:00] <Tom-_> can you post the output of lsblk too
• 964[10:06:13] <cmptr> With -O?
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• 971[10:07:36] <Tom-_> sure
• 972[10:08:11] <cmptr> With -O it shows everything, but it is very badly formatted. replaced-url
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• 975[10:09:17] <Tom-_> that's okay
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• 978[10:10:55] <Tom-_> okay that seems fine, maybe it has something to do with nvme devices
• 979[10:11:41] <Tom-_> maybe your device just isn't being loaded or is not yet synced at a hardware level, if that happens anymore
• 980[10:11:45] <cmptr> When in that prompt shown in the first image, there are no drives shown in /dev whatsoever.
• 981[10:11:50] <jim> maybe a module is missing in the initrd
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• 983[10:12:32] <Tom-_> your initramfs probably wouldn't have drives in /dev. maybe a module is missing
• 984[10:12:35] <Tom-_> like jim said
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• 986[10:12:47] <cmptr> Is there a log I can view?
• 987[10:13:07] <cmptr> Or manually update-initrams?
• 988[10:13:30] <jim> we should rebuild that chroot
• 989[10:13:47] <jim> then try the update initramfs
• 990[10:13:50] <cmptr> bind proc dev boot and sys?
• 991[10:14:01] <cmptr> and h ome?
• 992[10:14:37] <Tom-_> update-initramfs is a command
• 993[10:14:42] <cmptr> I know that.
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• 995[10:14:58] <Tom-_> one of the kernels you have installed may have missed a driver in the initrd
• 996[10:15:13] <Tom-_> a log to view for what, cmptr?
• 997[10:15:17] <jim> well /boot/efi and /home can be regular mounts, the other three would be bind mounts because they exist as dirs outside the chroot
• 998[10:15:32] <Tom-_> i think you can just mount them anyway
• 999[10:16:15] <cmptr> A log to view if anything is missing or any errors. What was the command for the binding again? mount --bind proc /mnt/proc?
• 1000[10:16:43] <Tom-_> yes, but a log file for which program?
• 1001[10:16:57] <jim> almost right, you ned a / before the first proc
• 1002[10:17:25] <cmptr> A log during boot maybe that is maybe more verbose.
• 1003[10:17:27] <Tom-_> maybe changing /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf MODULES=dep or all might help
• 1004[10:17:39] <Tom-_> sorry, no logging until the system gets mounted read/write mode
• 1005[10:17:58] <jim> generally, mount --bind dir-outside-chroot dir-inside-chroot
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• 1008[10:19:46] <cmptr> So home, root, boot, proc, dev and sys? THat is it, ya?
• 1009[10:20:01] <cmptr> boot to /mnt/boot/efi and home to /mnt/home
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• 1014[10:20:51] <cmptr> and /proc to /mnt/proc /sys to /mnt/sys and /dev to /mnt/dev?
• 1015[10:21:11] <Tom-_> you probably don't need to mount more than /mnt /mnt/proc /mnt/dev and /mnt/sys in order to run update-initramfs
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• 1020[10:21:57] <cmptr> What option should I pass for the command?
• 1021[10:21:58] <Tom-_> are you going to try changing the initramfs.conf? do you know which module your nvme device needs? you can run lsmod now and find out
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• 1023[10:22:27] <cmptr> What do you recommmend I do?
• 1024[10:23:00] <Tom-_> run lsmod and see if you can guess which module your nvme device is using, then add it to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and run update-modules
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• 1026[10:23:07] <Tom-_> and cross your fingers and reboot
• 1027[10:23:29] <Tom-_> you can check which module it is with a web search. if it says "used" "0" then it's not the right module
• 1028[10:24:05] <cmptr> nvme shows 3 and nvme_core shows 5 and has nvme beside it.
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• 1031[10:26:07] <cmptr> nvme 28672 3\n nvme_core 40960 5 nvme
• 1032[10:26:37] <Tom-_> are you using the computer you are trying to fix right now?
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• 1034[10:27:01] <cmptr> That is correct.
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• 1036[10:27:20] <Tom-_> okay, i'd like you to snoop through the initramfs and see if nvme is in it or not
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• 1038[10:28:08] <cmptr> The file located at /etc/initramfs-tools/modules is empty other than comments for a template..
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• 1043[10:29:58] <Tom-_> i meant in the initrd file.... trying to figure out how to do that now
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• 1055[10:34:15] <cmptr> I extracted it.
• 1056[10:34:17] <Tom-_> well nvme seems to be loaded in my initrd
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• 1059[10:34:35] <Tom-_> can you list the hardware of your nvme drive and let me look up what modules it needs?
• 1060[10:34:47] <Tom-_> are you using Debian stable (stretch?)
• 1061[10:35:59] <cmptr> I am using Buster. What folder is the module in? I extracted the initrd.img? My nvme is Samsung 960 Evo if that's what you're asking.
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• 1065[10:39:56] <Tom-_> usr/lib/modules/4.19.0-1-amd64/kernel/drives/nvme/
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• 1067[10:40:17] <Tom-_> if it's already in there it probably won't help to add to modules or change the initramfs.conf
• 1068[10:40:45] <Tom-_> technically we're supposed to be in another channel but i don't want to get there
• 1069[10:40:58] <cmptr> It is there.
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• 1071[10:41:39] <cmptr> I extracted the img that was in /boot The first one I extracted was in just root.
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• 1074[10:42:26] <Tom-_> maybe it's just that the initrd is looking for /dev/sd* and not /dev/nvme*
• 1075[10:43:04] <Tom-_> like you were thinking earlier
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• 1077[10:44:29] <cmptr> How do I check where it is looking for?
• 1078[10:45:05] <cmptr> Right now the initramfs.conf modules is set to most
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• 1082[10:46:13] <cmptr> but in the conf.d it is set to dep
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• 1085[10:47:30] <Tom-_> that's a good question, i have no idea
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• 1088[10:47:55] <Tom-_> i guess the initrd uses udev to generate files in /dev
• 1089[10:48:04] <Tom-_> i don't know anything about it
• 1090[10:48:05] <Tom-_> !testing
• 1091[10:48:05] <dpkg> Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <buster>. See replaced-url
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• 1093[10:48:15] <Tom-_> you can alays ask your question there, and now you know 3 things that don't work
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• 1096[10:49:57] <cmptr> Isn't buster being frozen this month?
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• 1098[10:50:51] <cmptr> It says next month a soft freeze.
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• 1100[10:50:53] <Tom-_> really? time flies
• 1101[10:51:43] <cmptr> Then March 12 Full Freeze. Time does Fly. I remember when Jessie was the stable.
• 1102[10:51:50] <cmptr> It doesn't seem to long ago.
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• 1108[10:52:47] <Tom-_> i remember when... oh nevermind... wheezy...
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• 1110[10:53:47] <cmptr> Wasn't stretch also way past the time they said it would be released?
• 1111[10:54:37] <agio> does freezing mean buster is about to become the new stable?
• 1112[10:54:38] <Tom-_> i don't know
• 1113[10:54:50] <spidget> i thought they never say when it'll be release? just when it's ready after the freeze
• 1114[10:55:14] <agio> how long after the freeze does it usually take?
• 1115[10:55:17] <bzed> agio: do. freeze means that there won't be large changes anymore until all release critical bugs are fixed. than there will be a release.
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• 1117[10:55:48] <cmptr> If only KDE had the same mindset.
• 1118[10:55:56] <tarzeau> wait for the green line hit the bottom: replaced-url
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• 1120[10:57:10] <iveqy> I've successfully setup a wlan connection with NetworkManager but after a few days the connection goes down. However NetworkManager does not notice this but still says that the connection is down. How can I make the networkmanager to realise that ip a show the interface as down
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• 1128[10:59:07] <cmptr> Well thanks for all the help guys. I learned a lot today from you guys.
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• 1159[11:19:28] <Tom-_> iveqy, dunno.... maybe try wicd? if you can get it to run on systemd
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• 1162[11:19:35] <Tom-_> !wicd
• 1163[11:19:35] <dpkg> Wireless Interface Connection Daemon (wicd) is a wired and <wireless connection manager>. replaced-url
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• 1169[11:23:22] <iveqy> Tom-_: I thought NetworkManager was the default in debian? Why is wicd better?
• 1170[11:23:46] <Tom-_> it is. unsure if wicd is better, though i think it is. it's just you should use what works :)
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• 1266[12:40:33] <eugenmayer> what channel would i use to ask specific questions to pam ( pam_krb5) ?
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• 1270[12:41:16] <eugenmayer> i am using debian stretch and i have looked at all the debian docs of pam / pam_krb / krb5 client but somehow i am stuck
• 1271[12:41:42] <eugenmayer> Anybody in here using nginx pam + kerberos and is able to get it working? I can login via Kerberos already, but i get asked with a basic auth form, so existing tickets i have are not forwarded/verfied picked up. So its not "SSO", rather just interactive authentication. I played with different options in the pam settings / krb5.conf, but yet could not get it working. on the very same server, same krb5.conf / keytab / DC .. i have apache2
• 1272[12:41:42] <eugenmayer> + mod_auth_kerb running with automatic login (ticket forwarding of the client), so it's for sure not a KDC issue
• 1273[12:43:05] <eugenmayer> I suspect its a pam paramter issue or somehow related to how to REALM is picked up, but i am not able to get pam to "debug" log properly. I have configured sysslog (rsyslog) and also created /etc/pam_debug and also use debug=true and trace=/var/log/pamtrace as options, still nothing is logged about why a existing krb ticket is not picked up with pam
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• 1275[12:43:31] <eugenmayer> Any hints on how to get PAM to be verbose?
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• 1290[12:54:37] <Johann> eugenmayer: is it with a windows client?
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• 1299[13:01:34] <eugenmayer> Johann: no, i am testing from a linux client with kinit + curl, from osx with kinit + curl and from OSX with kinig + safari, all 3 are working with an apache + mod_kerb_auth on this server
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• 1301[13:02:18] <eugenmayer> Johann: i know what your are looking for .. DES .. sha1 .. all those TGT / TKT issues - not a thing here, since i am using curl / osx + its the exact same setup as for mod_kerb_auth
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• 1305[13:04:02] <Johann> ok! got no clue then
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• 1377[13:39:17] <Mavverick> greetings guys
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• 1380[13:40:26] <Mavverick> I'm having difficulties setting up VPN connection to a CTF site. I've tried every possible things within my knowledge but im not getting results.
• 1381[13:40:34] <Mavverick> who can help?
• 1382[13:40:47] <Mavverick> My OS is a Kali Linux
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• 1384[13:41:28] <avu> !kali
• 1385[13:41:29] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
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• 1387[13:42:23] <Mavverick> Thanks a lot.
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• 1473[14:32:48] <EdePopede> hello again. how's the oom killer doing? firefox again ate 70+% of my ram not only kicking me out of irc, but also making the ssl handshake timeout at reconnect. or does systemd provide something that watches processes running mad?
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• 1491[14:48:00] <blackflow> EdePopede: it's doing just fine. Thing is, it decides rather randomly. You can adjust oom killer priority via oom_score_adj sysctl. And sure, systemd, or more precisely cgroups and slices, can limit max memory use per group.
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• 1493[14:48:30] <blackflow> EdePopede: oh sorry, it's not sysctl but a /proc/<pid>/ var
• 1494[14:49:01] <EdePopede> blackflow: ah, sounds good. firefox is the one memory (and sometimes) cpu hog i run here. so i'd know exactly where to aim at :)
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• 1497[14:50:20] <EdePopede> blackflow: /proc/<pid>/cgroup contains 6:memory:/init.scope - this one maybe?
• 1498[14:50:43] <blackflow> EdePopede: Oh I meant the oom_score_adj
• 1499[14:50:48] <EdePopede> oh, there's also limits. time for kerneldocs soon
• 1500[14:51:28] <blackflow> EdePopede: replaced-url
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• 1505[14:53:09] <EdePopede> thanks, i'll try that one
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• 1507[14:53:59] <treehug88> EdePopede also consider adding ram or swap space
• 1508[14:54:15] <EdePopede> btw, is there a comparison of isolation mechanisms (like from cgroups to xen) and when to use what and when not and why? the big picture i mean as a one time stop.
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• 1510[14:54:50] <EdePopede> treehug88: DDR2-800? could try on local ebay stuff, but who knows...
• 1511[14:55:48] <EdePopede> swap should be big enough with 5G, i think i've never seen it used to 100%. probably the swapping, and no, i still use spinning disks
• 1512[14:56:12] <treehug88> I don't think it should be hitting OOM if you have enough swap
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• 1514[14:56:15] <Wulf> Hello.
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• 1516[14:56:30] <Wulf> How do packages transition from experimental to unstable?
• 1517[14:56:39] <treehug88> I mean it might slow down (thrash), but it shouldn't OOM unless OOM
• 1518[14:56:51] <treehug88> (IE, unless actually out of memory)
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• 1520[14:57:26] <blackflow> EdePopede: dunno, but you could google for a combo of, say, "namespaces vs containers vs virtualization" and see if there's a summary. but tl;dr cgroups are groups of PIDs with various properties (like limits) attached to them. namespaces are.... process namespaces. containers are namespaces wrapped into a delivery+setup+exec tools ala docker, lxd, lxc, snaps, flatpaks, ... Virtualization is
• 1521[14:57:32] <blackflow> hardware virtualization, VMs run own kernels and use host-virtualized hardware.
• 1522[14:57:55] <diogenes_> EdePopede, what kernel?
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• 1525[14:58:18] <EdePopede> treehug88: id doesn't, did it in the past, maybe during the period i refused to use swap. it was only the idea OOM could kill firefox before the whole system becomes unusable
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• 1527[14:58:42] <treehug88> gotcha, yeah, no swap makes it much easier to OOM
• 1528[14:58:54] <EdePopede> 4.9.0-8-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.110-3+deb9u4 (2018-08-21)
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• 1530[14:59:13] <EdePopede> yes, my uptime :)
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• 1533[15:00:56] <EdePopede> had lots of problems with wheezy (ignored jessie) during the last year, constantly freezing. was thinking about abandoning this machine. whatever they did, it is all fine now. i only still have to enjoy uptimes bigger than just a few days
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• 1538[15:04:44] * EdePopede has his own namespace now overcrowded again. that became even worse than all these CPU codenames. Or. Even. Debian's. (all i constantly remember is Sid, but especially 9 is so... unrememberable)
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• 1541[15:06:54] <malm> Hi all. Running Debian testing, and having correct (I think?) caps (/bin/ip = cap_net_admin+ep) I still cannot add links as non-root. For instance 'ip link add dev dummy0 type dummy' gives "RTNETLINK answers: Operation not permitted"
• 1542[15:06:58] <Wulf> EdePopede: I keep confusing squeeze and stretch.
• 1543[15:08:42] <malm> My user is member in the netdev group, any other group I need be a member of?
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• 1549[15:12:01] <blackflow> malm: is a kernel module required for that? adding it won't be covered by that capability
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• 1552[15:13:46] <malm> blackflow: Ah, well my original problem was I could not add a link of type tun/tap so I guess that's my true question then. Sorry.
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• 1555[15:14:08] <Fox> !debian-next
• 1556[15:14:09] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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• 1558[15:14:15] <Fox> malm: ^
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• 1560[15:14:24] <malm> Fox: Thanks! :D
• 1561[15:14:28] <Fox> yaw
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• 1563[15:15:17] <blackflow> malm: you would, by that cap, so the question is still, is a kernel module being added. Which would require you to preload the modules as root (or modprobe config).
• 1564[15:15:26] <malm> Fox: Need an invite for that channel...
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• 1566[15:15:35] <blackflow> malm: read the FULL message :)
• 1567[15:15:39] <whislock> malm: "If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net."
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• 1569[15:16:38] <Fox> malm: did you read carefully ?
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• 1573[15:18:08] <malm> Fox: I read what my IRC client reported to me at least: "*** tolkien.freenode.net 473 malm #debian-next Cannot join channel (+i) - you must be invited"
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• 1576[15:18:52] <blackflow> malm: read the FULL message posted above, by dpkg bot
• 1577[15:19:08] <Fox> If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it meansyou did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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• 1579[15:19:17] <uio1> So I contacted the battery manufacturer about issues with a battery replacement on a ThinkPad X61 and they talked about Lenovo issues and all (security settings blocking non-original batteries). Is there a work-around or a solution? The issue is that when I put in the battery it is detected, charges to 3% and then jumps to 100%. If I unplug it it dies in 5 seconds... acpi says it is 100% charged...
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• 1582[15:19:26] <malm> blackflow: Yeah sorry diden't answer in full: I am googling tghe module aspect no. Thanks for the direction. :)
• 1583[15:19:40] <uio1> How can I make my replacement batterywork?
• 1584[15:19:52] <blackflow> uio1: perhaps #hardware will know
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• 1588[15:20:47] <malm> Fox: *facepalm* Now I see it. Thanks for your patiance. :)
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• 1590[15:22:24] <uio1> blackflow, Thanks! I'll see if they can help. Not likely to be a Debian issue??
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• 1594[15:24:01] <blackflow> uio1: definitely not if "security settings blocking non-original batteries" is in question. sounds like bios.
• 1595[15:24:52] <uio1> blackflow, I don't know if that was just spun to apease my wrath, or if it is true. I mean, if Debian is detecting the battery that's pretty bad security, no?
• 1596[15:25:11] <whislock> uio1: Debian isn't really detecting the battery. Debian is detecting what BIOS is telling it about the battery.
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• 1598[15:25:30] <blackflow> and ACPI can be baaaaaad.
• 1599[15:26:09] <uio1> whislock, Ah.... can I dive into the ACPI from Debian? I installed acpi and acpid...
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• 1602[15:27:30] <uio1> They're going to send me a replacement battery, but I suppose if it is BIOS-related that I'll just have the same issues...
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• 1606[15:29:10] <blackflow> uio1: I thought "security settings blocking non-original batteries" came from Lenovo? "I contact the battery manufacturer [...] and they talked about Lenovo issues and all"
• 1607[15:29:19] <blackflow> from battery manufacturer, I mean.
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• 1609[15:30:07] <uio1> blackflow, Sorry, I was unclear : it's GreenCell / BatteryEmpire.
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• 1612[15:32:07] <uio1> blackflow, replaced-url
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• 1626[15:40:06] <uio1> Could acpi=off in boot help?
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• 1634[15:42:08] <blackflow> uio1: that would just lead to no battery status detected at all (and other issues that require acpi data) . I'm not sure what your issue is? Wrong battery level detected, or it not charging at all?
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• 1639[15:44:10] <uio1> blackflow, I think that it detects the battery at 0%, charges to 3% or 5%, then jumps to 100% and stops charging. Then unplugging only sees 10 seconds of life because te battery has no charge.
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• 1641[15:45:00] <rant> sounds like you have a dead battery
• 1642[15:45:44] <uio1> rant, Okay, but is the detection a good sign?
• 1643[15:45:48] <rant> they dont last forever and eventually they charge to less and less of their design capacity.. mine are currently about 70% their design capacity.. sounds like yours is dead
• 1644[15:46:06] <uio1> rant, Oh, I should mention, the battery is brand new...
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• 1647[15:46:28] * rant pulls some more stuff out the trash and gives it to uio1 as brand new
• 1648[15:46:53] <uio1> rant, I have a truly dead battery, an original, but it behaves differently than the new one.
• 1649[15:47:00] <uio1> rant, Even from a new company?
• 1650[15:48:28] <shtrb> uio1, I'm joining in late - but most hi end laptop have a onboard chip both in the battery and in the motherboard so you will not use the wrong battery. I assume the x61 being like that. however you can replace the internel battery if you take it to an elctonics shop (toresolder the 18630) but if there is an error your laptop will blowup
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• 1652[15:49:45] <shtrb> Is that a LiPO battery ? because they have closed source firmware to manage them, that's why you can't charge if it's above 95% or bellow a special level
• 1653[15:49:47] <uio1> shtrb, Woreplaced-url
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• 1655[15:50:32] <uio1> shtrb, It fell below - the instructions shipped with it said it should be at ovr 50% when it arrived ,but it was below 10%....
• 1656[15:50:33] <shtrb> all hi-end have it, newer batteries are very special, they need not only a special anti overcharge circuit but with thermal and breach fuse
• 1657[15:50:53] <uio1> shtrb, Interesting.
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• 1659[15:51:05] <uio1> shtrb, So the issue could be that it discharged too much?
• 1660[15:51:17] <shtrb> Only if LePO
• 1661[15:51:22] <uio1> shtrb, Would that explain the odd behaviour?
• 1662[15:51:35] <uio1> shtrb, It's Lithium ion.
• 1663[15:51:38] <shtrb> *LiPO ,
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• 1665[15:52:45] <uio1> shtrb, That would explain why in the user manuel they were super specific about not leaving in in storage too long and so on perhaps.
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• 1667[15:53:06] <uio1> Well, I hope it was just a charge level issue...
• 1668[15:53:14] <shtrb> batteries must be recharged once in a while, and they have limited level of charge cycles
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• 1671[15:53:42] <uio1> shtrb, Right, but this one, being new, shouldn't have a cycle issue.
• 1672[15:53:42] <blackflow> uio1: well it's not the kernel or userland that stops charging, so the question is still does it keep charging even if you see 100% reported.
• 1673[15:54:21] <shtrb> Try the nearest Lenovo repair shop, they had the table battery chargers you can check in them
• 1674[15:54:32] <uio1> blackflow, acpi reported "Battery 0: Full, 100%", so I assume not...
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• 1678[15:55:29] <uio1> shtrb, I don't imagine there is support for a 10 year-old laptop that is no longer running Windows...
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• 1680[15:56:35] <blackflow> uio1: right, so that's the question. is acpi _reporting_ wrong, or hardware
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• 1684[15:57:32] <uio1> blackflow, I think it's being truthful seeing as the laptop dies when I unplug it. Lasts 10 seconds on the battery.
• 1685[15:57:40] <shtrb> Oh, sorry I mixed that with a different model (much newer).
• 1686[15:57:45] <uio1> blackflow, Left it a full night and did same thing.
• 1687[15:57:46] <blackflow> uio1: and whatif you leave it, say, for an hour?
• 1688[15:57:49] <blackflow> ah, ok
• 1689[15:57:59] <uio1> shtrb, With the X1 carbon maybe :)
• 1690[15:58:03] <blackflow> definitely hw issues then.
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• 1692[15:58:17] <uio1> shtrb, So maybe there isn't the whole chip thing...
• 1693[15:58:25] <shtrb> yes, probabaly
• 1694[15:58:25] <uio1> blackflow, You mean the battery?
• 1695[15:58:38] <uio1> But what causes the jump from 3 to 100%??
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• 1697[15:58:53] <blackflow> uio1: anything from battery itself to the hardware/bios integration that stops charging thinking it's full.
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• 1699[15:59:04] <shtrb> uio1, how many cells are still live there ?
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• 1701[15:59:59] <shtrb> uio1, does it have the hot battery swap feature ? (if you have a dual, the internal one may be bad)
• 1702[16:00:27] <shtrb> uio1, check the charge level via /sys to see the difference between desgined and actuall charge
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• 1704[16:01:03] <shtrb> grep "" /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/*
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• 1719[16:05:33] <uio1> shtrb, Can I paste to Debian paste?
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• 1721[16:05:55] <shtrb> yes
• 1722[16:05:59] <shtrb> you can just compare the values
• 1723[16:06:16] <shtrb> also try to run it once, without the power cord connected
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• 1725[16:06:31] <uio1> replaced-url
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• 1727[16:06:40] <uio1> shtrb, I've tried but it dies super fast!
• 1728[16:06:50] <shtrb> you need few secs
• 1729[16:07:36] <uio1> shtrb, What would it do differently with no power cord?
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• 1731[16:08:08] <uio1> shtrb, Okay, I'll unplug, run the same command, and paste it?
• 1732[16:08:10] <shtrb> wait, you are at : 5870000/31680000 which is VERY low value
• 1733[16:08:12] <shtrb> yes
• 1734[16:08:21] <shtrb> the difference is to see the internal voltage
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• 1738[16:08:48] <uio1> shtrb, Oh... you mean charge?
• 1739[16:08:58] <uio1> low charge, or low capacity?
• 1740[16:09:07] <uio1> Is it just a bad battery???
• 1741[16:09:08] <shtrb> yes, but you also need to see the actual voltage.
• 1742[16:09:18] <uio1> So, unplug, run the command and paste?
• 1743[16:09:27] <shtrb> and plug back
• 1744[16:09:34] <uio1> :)
• 1745[16:09:59] <shtrb> It could be the battery, the charger circuit , the charger itself. if you have the option get the desk charger and see if you can fully charge it
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• 1749[16:12:08] <uio1> shtrb, It died!
• 1750[16:12:18] <uio1> shtrb, I didn't have the chance to see...
• 1751[16:12:21] <shtrb> sorry :-(
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• 1753[16:12:34] <uio1> But from what you could see, is it just a bad battery moste likelY??
• 1754[16:12:42] <uio1> No worries, thanks for the ideas?
• 1755[16:12:44] <shtrb> the best I can say to you is get the table charger to be sure
• 1756[16:12:45] <uio1> *.
• 1757[16:12:55] <uio1> Table charger?
• 1758[16:13:02] <uio1> shtrb, Oh, for the battery?
• 1759[16:13:23] <uio1> shtrb, I think that will be challenge for an old machine.
• 1760[16:13:23] <shtrb> it could be also the charge cicuirt (inside the laptop) or the laptop charger.
• 1761[16:13:23] <shtrb> yes
• 1762[16:13:42] <uio1> Sigh, I really like the hardware, but this battery issue is annoying. Oh old machines...
• 1763[16:14:02] <shtrb> Thinkpads are like STD, they will outlive us all. they are undead they just mutate
• 1764[16:14:08] <uio1> Hmmm. So the issue could be serious, or could be very simple to solve.
• 1765[16:14:12] <uio1> shtrb, lol.
• 1766[16:14:13] <shtrb> yes
• 1767[16:14:20] <uio1> shtrb, What hardware are you on?
• 1768[16:14:25] <shtrb> T440
• 1769[16:14:57] <shtrb> that had replaced the charging circuit , and several battries
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• 1772[16:16:00] <uio1> shtrb, It's a beast that one!
• 1773[16:16:27] <shtrb> the X61 is also a very fine machine
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• 1775[16:16:48] <uio1> Well, thanks for your help. I'll await a new battery, but I fear I may just have to get a new laptop as I need a usable battery, and I don't have enough time to solve all of this one's issues...
• 1776[16:16:56] <uio1> A fine machine indeed!
• 1777[16:17:03] <uio1> I like the screen dimensions.
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• 1781[16:21:28] <shtrb> uio1, I have found someone who sold the chrager a month ago replaced-url
• 1782[16:22:34] <uio1> shtrb, But my charger seems to be fine... it's plugged in now.
• 1783[16:23:14] <shtrb> Not the laptop charger, but an exteranl battery charger (you plug the battery directly into that device)
• 1784[16:23:23] <shtrb> that way you know it's a bad battery or a bad laptop
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• 1787[16:24:08] <uio1> shtrb, Ohhhhhhhhh. I see.
• 1788[16:24:38] <uio1> Hmmm. I mean, I also need to work on the fan, so this machine is getting expensive!!
• 1789[16:24:51] <uio1> Thanks for all your ideas! G2G!
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• 1791[16:25:02] <shtrb> !next
• 1792[16:25:03] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
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• 1856[16:51:42] <MrUnagi> I am running a debian based DSL linux in VMWare, and the mouse doesn't respond. I don't believe it is VMWare related, because I do not see the touchpad in proc. Any ideas?
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• 1859[16:53:11] <whislock> !based on debian
• 1860[16:53:12] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
• 1861[16:53:14] <whislock> !dsl
• 1862[16:53:14] <dpkg> [dsl] Digital Subscriber Line, the wonder technology the telcos will nevertheless find a way to turn into a con, or better than cable, or Damn Small Linux (replaced-url
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• 1864[16:54:44] <MrUnagi> my apologies.
• 1865[16:54:47] <MrUnagi> Thank you
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• 1868[16:55:18] <MrUnagi> So frustrating........there is like, no support for damn small linux
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• 1871[16:56:30] <Fox> MrUnagi: last known stable version of DSL is from november 2008, maybe you should move to something else, or is wikipedia wrong ?
• 1872[16:56:48] <MrUnagi> No idea.....it is an image for a college class, which adds to my frustration
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• 1881[16:58:41] <shtrb> You can also cut off debian
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• 1887[17:01:34] <Fox> MrUnagi: maybe you should try their forums, lokks like they're still active a bit replaced-url
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• 1921[17:17:43] <wrksx> hey
• 1922[17:18:51] <wrksx> I've got backup scripts executing everyday and I'd like to log some simple stuff mainly start and end time
• 1923[17:19:52] <wrksx> I wonder what tool can I use to make it easy to setup
• 1924[17:21:17] <wrksx> Specially, I noticed the recuring patern of storing old logs in a compress format, and only the latest log in text format, I wonder if that's something everyone scripts or if there's a program to do that easily
• 1925[17:21:39] <wrksx> also, cleanup very ancient logs etc...
• 1926[17:21:45] <Wulf> wrksx: what happens if you run it through crond?
• 1927[17:21:59] <Wulf> wrksx: logs are created automatically and rotated away
• 1928[17:22:56] <Wulf> wrksx: if you really want to re-invent parts of the wheel, there's logrotate.
• 1929[17:23:27] <wrksx> I'd like to not reinvent anything =)
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• 1932[17:25:07] <blackflow> logrotate does that, yes. simply drop a config file specific to your log paths under /etc/lorotate.d/
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• 1935[17:25:18] <blackflow> (no need to restart anything, logrotate is cron based)
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• 1938[17:25:56] <wrksx> the idea is to get things to log in a specific file and not have to inspect some kind of generic logfile
• 1939[17:25:58] <Wulf> or simply run the job through cron. Everything is already taken care of.
• 1940[17:26:16] <Wulf> wrksx: so configure syslog to create a logfile for your job
• 1941[17:26:47] <wrksx> Wulf, you seem to know how to handle this
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• 1943[17:27:03] <Wulf> in theory
• 1944[17:27:07] <wrksx> Should I read about syslog ?
• 1945[17:27:27] <wrksx> What would you advice me to read on?
• 1946[17:27:32] <wrksx> advise
• 1947[17:28:11] <wrksx> I think I can figure it out pretty easily, just don't know where to start really
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• 1949[17:28:59] <Wulf> hm.. I wonder if syslog can really figure out which cron job logged what it logged
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• 1953[17:30:27] <Wulf> (CRON) info (No MTA installed, discarding output) not what I hoped for :)
• 1954[17:30:44] <jrm> Hi. Could someone tell me where I can find the source repository for ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/devscripts/ ?
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• 1956[17:30:46] <wrksx> lol
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• 1958[17:31:27] <Wulf> wrksx: maybe a systemd timer would work
• 1959[17:31:51] <wrksx> you mean for task scheduling ?
• 1960[17:32:10] <jrm> replaced-url
• 1961[17:33:18] <Wulf> wrksx: yep. And systemd will take care of your logging. You can access logs with journald. If you still want them in log files, this should be easier to setup.
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• 1963[17:34:23] <wrksx> I was looking for the /etc/syslog.conf
• 1964[17:34:28] <wrksx> but it's not there
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• 1966[17:34:46] <wrksx> I might be looking at some old doc
• 1967[17:35:04] <blackflow> wrksx: rsyslog.conf
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• 1970[17:35:39] <wrksx> blackflow, ty.
• 1971[17:36:17] <ctcx> Hello. Having problem with a game called Limbo. When running it I get "SDL_CreateWindow(): failed: Couldn't find matching GLX visual"
• 1972[17:36:24] <ctcx> but glxgears work well...
• 1973[17:36:26] <blackflow> anyway you have two options here. use syslog/journal facilities, or log specifically to a file. in both cases you'd want logrotate to clean up, syslog is already covered there (which is applicable if your journald is configured to forward to (r)syslog, which it does by default)
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• 1975[17:36:29] <jrm> Oh, ignore me. The repo could be salsa. The mirror URL on GitHub has a typo.
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• 1979[17:38:07] <wrksx> blackflow, I think syslog would be perfect
• 1980[17:38:40] <wrksx> I just need to figure out how (if possible) I can have it log my task's output to a dedicated file
• 1981[17:38:56] <blackflow> wrksx: you can use the `logger` command from your backup (shell?) scripts to use the journal/syslog facilities.
• 1982[17:39:37] <wrksx> blackflow, yeah it's a shell script. I'll investigate on the logger command, ty for the tips.
• 1983[17:39:52] <blackflow> wrksx: use a specific local# (where # is a number from 0 to 7, see syslog manpages) facility and then in rsyslog.conf filter those messages to a custom file
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• 1989[17:41:13] <wrksx> blackflow, so basically `logger` would allow me to specify the facility I want to log to, right ?
• 1990[17:41:23] <greycat> man 1 logger
• 1991[17:41:55] <greycat> specifically, look at --priority
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• 1993[17:42:17] <Tenkawa> hey all
• 1994[17:42:20] <ctcx> hello?
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• 1996[17:42:36] <friendofafriend> Howdy, Tenkawa. And ctcx.
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• 1998[17:42:58] <ctcx> someone knows about my issue with that game?
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• 2000[17:43:19] <Tenkawa> which one? (my memory is horrid)
• 2001[17:43:35] <wrksx> greycat, I see, so -p allows me to set the facility and the log level
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• 2003[17:43:53] <wrksx> greycat, ty for the hint
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• 2005[17:44:08] <ctcx> Hello. Having problem with a game called Limbo. When running it I get "SDL_CreateWindow(): failed: Couldn't find matching GLX visual"
• 2006[17:44:11] <ctcx> but glxgears work well...
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• 2009[17:44:48] <Tenkawa> ctcx: are they running through handlers?
• 2010[17:44:58] <Tenkawa> ie setting up a shell
• 2011[17:45:01] <wrksx> Gotta go thx for the help guys. Will try to set this up tomorow =) see ya
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• 2013[17:45:23] <Tenkawa> so it might be changig the display away from :0
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• 2019[17:46:32] <friendofafriend> ctcx: replaced-url
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• 2021[17:47:06] <ctcx> Useless, already saw that
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• 2024[17:48:15] <friendofafriend> So, you ran glxinfo and found an ID in hex?
• 2025[17:48:19] <blackflow> ctcx: is your GPU's opengl version compatible with what the game requires? if it's an older gpu, it might not be
• 2026[17:49:01] <friendofafriend> And then you hardcoded it with "export SDL_VIDEO_X11_VISUALID=0x<id>"?
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• 2030[17:49:46] <ctcx> Should be compatible, I tested the game in an older laptop
• 2031[17:49:59] <ctcx> Hardcoded what?
• 2032[17:50:03] <ctcx> What is that?
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• 2034[17:50:13] <blackflow> ctcx: still, what does `glxinfo | grep -i "opengl version string"` say?
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• 2038[17:50:48] <friendofafriend> ctcx: Run glxinfo, find the ID entry, run the above command.
• 2039[17:53:02] <ctcx> replaced-url
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• 2041[17:54:37] <ctcx> blackflow, friendofafriend: ^
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• 2043[17:55:01] <friendofafriend> Why -B?
• 2044[17:55:17] <blackflow> yeah that's a rather old opengl, 3.0 was from 2009, but I see Limbo is from 2010? if that's teh same game, then it could be okay.
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• 2054[17:59:09] <ctcx> blackflow: what does it mean?
• 2055[18:00:02] <ctcx> blackflow: I tested the game in other *older* rig!
• 2056[18:00:12] <ctcx> But I need in this one
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• 2063[18:02:41] <blackflow> ctcx: it means that supported opengl version is probably not in question here. it was my first thought because I've seen it in more than one case (opengl context failing like that, but due to supported opengl version being insufficient)
• 2064[18:03:03] <ctcx> blackflow: so no idea then?
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• 2071[18:04:52] <blackflow> ctcx: sorry, no idea. I do remember those older intel gpus tended to be very problematic though.
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• 2076[18:07:09] <friendofafriend> ctcx: What Visual ID did you end up exporting?
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• 2080[18:09:15] <Tenkawa> he should try strace'ing the process too
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• 2082[18:10:11] <Tenkawa> it might be a specific piece of the sdl library not being happy
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• 2086[18:10:45] <ctcx> blackflow, friendofafriend: full glxinfo replaced-url
• 2087[18:11:22] <ctcx> Tenkawa: how do I use trace?
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• 2090[18:12:28] <Tenkawa> its strace
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• 2092[18:12:36] <Tenkawa> you run it from commandline
• 2093[18:12:42] <Tenkawa> strace processnane
• 2094[18:12:54] <Tenkawa> er strace processname
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• 2096[18:13:09] <Tenkawa> get ready for lots of output
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• 2098[18:13:29] <Tenkawa> hmmm,,, gdb also might be a posssibility
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• 2104[18:15:25] <Tenkawa> a gdb backtrace would probably tell the most.. does anyone agree?
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• 2111[18:17:12] <friendofafriend> ctcx: So when you run "export SDL_VIDEO_X11_VISUALID=" and then afterward launch the program, are you getting the same error message as before?
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• 2124[18:20:09] <ctcx> Tenkawa: gdb replaced-url
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• 2128[18:21:04] <Tenkawa> ctcx: you probably havent backtraced the thread yet
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• 2143[18:26:07] <Tenkawa> ctcx: I havent gotten my browser to respond yet (my box is dragging from a compile). after you ran that command did you run the bt command ?
• 2144[18:26:14] <Tenkawa> inside gdb?
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• 2149[18:29:00] <ctcx> friendofafriend: when running that export and running game I get "Could not create GL context"
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• 2151[18:30:19] <ctcx> Tenkawa: no idea what you mean
• 2152[18:30:26] <Tenkawa> ctcx: finally saw your paste.. thats interesting.. can you do that again and once it errors type in bt
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• 2159[18:30:54] <Tenkawa> it should either give you more data or say nothing like no backtrace
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• 2164[18:31:40] <ctcx> Tenkawa: the second
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• 2166[18:31:56] <Tenkawa> ok yeah I was afraid of that
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• 2169[18:32:10] <Tenkawa> well darn
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• 2179[18:33:42] <Elsphinc> Hi, trying to compile touchscreen support into my kernel, running into this error, make[1]: *** No rule to make target 'arch/x86/entry/syscalls/syscall_32.tbl', needed by 'arch/x86/include/generated/asm/syscalls_32.h'. Stop.
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• 2185[18:35:15] <Elsphinc> missing recipe for target 'archheaders' failed
• 2186[18:35:37] <Tenkawa> how did you install kernel source
• 2187[18:35:48] <Tenkawa> and touchscreen support code
• 2188[18:35:52] <Elsphinc> it was through a galliumos install
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• 2190[18:36:09] <Elsphinc> so its a galliumos kernel
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• 2209[18:43:52] <FreeBDSM> hello, how to change locale globally?
• 2210[18:44:07] <FreeBDSM> I did `dpkg-reconfigure locales` to no avail
• 2211[18:44:28] <FreeBDSM> `locale -a` now lists the generated lcoale, but `locale` still shows the old value
• 2212[18:44:30] <Elsphinc> Tenkawa: is it because it seems to be only a kernel-headers only package is available through my galliumos repos?
• 2213[18:44:49] <greycat> FreeBDSM: well then, change your LANG variable...
• 2214[18:45:02] <Elsphinc> Tenkawa: so i dont have the sources?
• 2215[18:45:20] <FreeBDSM> greycat: I need a system wide solution
• 2216[18:45:31] <greycat> To what problem?
• 2217[18:45:43] <greycat> "My users are showing intelligence! Help me! I must force them all to DO MY BIDDING!"
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• 2219[18:45:48] <greycat> Is that the problem?
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• 2223[18:47:43] <FreeBDSM> the problem is that I don't know how to make that a persistent solution
• 2224[18:47:57] <FreeBDSM> the machine is in docker, it's specific
• 2225[18:48:02] <greycat> Again, a solution to .... OH. Never mind.
• 2226[18:48:05] <greycat> *plonk*
• 2227[18:48:17] <greycat> I don't do docker.
• 2228[18:48:31] <FreeBDSM> I tried `echo 'LANG=en_US.UTF-8' >> ~/.bashenv` to no avail
• 2229[18:48:39] <FreeBDSM> I tried modifying /etc/profile
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• 2234[18:50:56] <AK> can I get minimalistic boot installation media from preferred mirrors?
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• 2237[18:51:15] <greycat> !netinst
• 2238[18:51:15] <dpkg> extra, extra, read all about it, netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See replaced-url
• 2239[18:51:25] <DrBunsen> Hey all. I have noticed that with my system being up for a long time(days) that the system first freezes and is very sluggish for the first few min after I access my PC after 10+ hours of no user input(it is not idle when I leave it). I have noticed something happening with my discs(I think spin down) and CPU in dmesg, but I do not understand it fully. Could anyone please take a look at it? replaced-url
• 2240[18:51:25] <DrBunsen> tching is me and the internet link going down is the dying router that will be replaced shortly.
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• 2252[18:56:57] <AK> where are the isos located in mirrors?
• 2253[18:57:35] <greycat> who said they were?
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• 2255[18:57:43] <watchcat> AK: if you boot the netinstall image and deselect everything on the tasksel page, you'll get a minimal installation. after install, you can disable 'recommends' to keep it lean.
• 2256[18:58:07] <DrBunsen> AK: replaced-url
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• 2261[18:58:41] <DrBunsen> o sorry, that is not netiso... weird I came there by replaced-url
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• 2263[18:58:46] <AK> watchcat: yeah I wanna do that.
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• 2273[19:01:14] <n4dir> the one time i deselected "standard" task didn't work out well.
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• 2275[19:01:57] <greycat> I've done that before. It was fine for me.
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• 2277[19:02:13] <greycat> For most purposes, though, you should include "standard".
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• 2281[19:04:00] <danielboston26> Hi is there a step by step guide on how to use yubikey as a login token for Debian? I found the Pam setup guide but it doesn’t really give the level of detail i need
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• 2286[19:05:50] <DrBunsen> danuelboston26: for ssh or the gui? I have seen guides for both. Yubi key is a otp module right?
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• 2290[19:06:55] <danielboston26> DrBunsen: GUI
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• 2293[19:07:33] <rwp> AK, Here replaced-url
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• 2295[19:07:40] <danielboston26> DrBunsen: as well as utf Yubico invented utf with google
• 2296[19:08:02] <LoRez> u2f. utf is something else entirely ;-)
• 2297[19:08:10] <danielboston26> Right
• 2298[19:08:16] <danielboston26> It does both
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• 2300[19:08:32] <LoRez> utf is not an auth thing.
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• 2302[19:08:39] <danielboston26> U2f
• 2303[19:08:43] <danielboston26> Sorry
• 2304[19:08:55] <danielboston26> Every time I see u2f I say utf
• 2305[19:09:10] <danielboston26> Think it’s a weird dyslexia thing
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• 2308[19:10:22] <danielboston26> But yes it does both U2F and otp
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• 2310[19:10:26] <DrBunsen> danielboston26: can't find anything too great and aimed at debian, but replaced-url
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• 2312[19:11:00] <danielboston26> Does google Authenticator support U2f?
• 2313[19:11:08] <danielboston26> It must
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• 2315[19:11:58] <danielboston26> DrBunsen: there is a Yubico page that describes it but it lacks a lot of detail it’s more with setting up PAM then how to use it
• 2316[19:12:14] <danielboston26> I guess I could look up PAM on Debian wiki
• 2317[19:12:30] <DrBunsen> Sure,
• 2318[19:12:41] <DrBunsen> I have never done this. Only remember seeing it
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• 2320[19:13:16] <DrBunsen> I would probably lock up my desktop forever if I would totp it ;)
• 2321[19:13:26] <danielboston26> DrBunsen: that’s what Yubico describes as well
• 2322[19:13:40] <danielboston26> Although they probably give more detail
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• 2330[19:16:03] <DrBunsen> Hey all. I have noticed that for the first few min after I access my PC after 10+ hours of no user input that the system first freezes and is very sluggish for a while after that. I have noticed something happening with my CPU in dmesg, but I do not understand it fully. Could anyone please take a look at it? replaced-url
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• 2332[19:16:39] <danielboston26> Overheating?
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• 2339[19:17:55] <DrBunsen> The temperatures are in acceptable ranges.
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• 2351[19:24:54] <SlidingHorn> I can't remember, does Debian require the user to add their first user as a sudoer? Also, is there a step in the installation like Ubuntu where you can just make it so there's no real root password and just sudoers?
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• 2353[19:25:29] <SlidingHorn> (to clarify the 1st part: Is the original user set up as a sudoer automatically?)
• 2354[19:25:36] <annadane> it is not
• 2355[19:25:41] <annadane> it doesn't require you to either
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• 2357[19:25:48] <temple48> SlidingHorn: no, the original user is not a sudoer right away
• 2358[19:26:44] <petn-randall> SlidingHorn: If you set a root password, then you'll have root access through that. If you don't, your first user will be added to sudoers and sudo installed. That's how it is at least the last time I used the installer.
• 2359[19:26:51] <karlpinc> danielboston26: If you have a more specific question about yuibikeys and debian just ask here. I've done "stuff" with youbikeys and surely other people have too.
• 2360[19:26:52] <temple48> SlidingHorn: I believe you can set it up to not use the root account at all, which I think is done by not entering a password during the installer, in which case I think it is correct that the first user will be a sudoer
• 2361[19:27:07] <temple48> also, what petn-randall said a few nanoseconds before I did
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• 2363[19:27:36] <AK> do netinstall image has encrypted installation options or I have to set some kernel params to boot in console mode?
• 2364[19:27:48] <karlpinc> danielboston26: As in, "what don't you understand?"
• 2365[19:27:50] <SerajewelKS> if you set a password for root, sudo isn't even installed by default
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• 2370[19:28:20] <petn-randall> AK: You can set up LUKS containers with the network installer, yes.
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• 2372[19:28:53] <greycat> AK: your question (which I cannot answer) is equivalent to "Does Debian have encrypted-disk installation?" Because there is no difference between the installer on the netinst images and the installer on a full DVD image.
• 2373[19:29:13] <karlpinc> AK: You can full disk encrypt with the netinstall. You should probably also setup LVM so you can have a single encrypted disk but multiple logical volumes. (Unless you're just going to make 1 partition anyway.)
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• 2375[19:29:32] <karlpinc> AK: But note that your boot partition is always unencrypted.
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• 2380[19:30:19] <petn-randall> I've heard that grub can decrypt LUKS containers in buster, but I haven't tested that yet.
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• 2383[19:30:45] <SlidingHorn> thanks, all!
• 2384[19:31:07] <karlpinc> petn-randall: That'd be cute. I'm not sure it addresses any threat models, but cute.
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• 2386[19:31:20] <AK> karlpinc: I do luks on lvm, and for boot, I don't wanna encrypt it.
• 2387[19:31:39] <AK> I use my own keys for secure boot. and do efistub.
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• 2389[19:31:47] <noodlepie> I oved our communal Debian PC back to Stable, from Testing. It's running perfectly
• 2390[19:31:50] <noodlepie> moved
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• 2395[19:33:32] <AK> if I compile some packages from source and then if I get an update, do I have an option in package manager to not upgrade my packages(compiled)
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• 2399[19:34:20] <karlpinc> AK: With stable (at least) you may need to use expert mode if you want an unencrypted boot partition. I don't know. You could read the install guide, it will say.
• 2400[19:34:33] <greycat> AK: The best way to do that is to bump the version number on your locally built package.
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• 2402[19:35:27] <greycat> The second best might be to put the package on hold.
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• 2405[19:35:46] <AK> put the package on hold. ?
• 2406[19:35:58] <greycat> !hold
• 2407[19:35:58] <dpkg> hold is a status flag that tells the package manager to not automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package 'echo $package hold|dpkg --set-selections' or 'aptitude hold $package'. Note that "aptitude hold" is ignored by other package managers (i.e. Update Manager, synaptic, apt-get) and aptitude won't necessarily use holds set with dpkg; see Debian bug #137771 (fixed in stretch). See also <hold list>, <unhold>.
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• 2420[19:39:56] <karlpinc> AK: There's a part of the version number that can be used for that, I think. See especially Section 5.6.12.1. (And there's other ways, but greycat is right about the best way.) replaced-url
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• 2424[19:41:36] <Intelo> Hi
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• 2431[19:49:18] <rwp> AK, If you want to mix system and local packages the best thing is to install your locally compiled software into the /usr/local directory and use it from there.
• 2432[19:49:36] <rwp> Debian leaves /usr/local to the local admin and doesn't touch it.
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• 2440[19:52:13] <greycat> Yeah, that's a valid point. Sometimes the answer is simply *not* to make a Debian package.
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• 2446[19:55:07] <AK> rwp: I alreay use stow so I'd try that for this too.
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• 2448[19:56:28] <rwp> GNU Stow is great for this stuff.
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• 2452[19:58:03] <rwp> ./configure --prefix=/usr/local/stow/fooproject-1.2.3
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• 2454[19:58:51] <rwp> In debian if you are in group "staff" (adduser $USER staff) then you can "make install" as you and not need root access. (This feature goes away in Buster after 20 years of good use.)
• 2455[19:59:12] <Tranquil> السَّلاَمُ عَلَيْكُمْ وَرَحْمَةُ اللهِ وَبَرَكَاتُهُ May the peace, mercy, and blessings of Allah be with you
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• 2457[19:59:14] <Tranquil> to you all
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• 2459[19:59:50] <whislock> !ops Tranquil Cross-channel spamming.
• 2460[19:59:50] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall: whislock complains about a problem (see above)
• 2461[19:59:53] <annadane> what else is buster ruining? :-)
• 2462[19:59:57] <annadane> (i'm joking)
• 2463[20:00:06] <whislock> annadane: It's named "buster," one assume it busts everything.
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• 2465[20:00:35] <Tranquil> whislock i never spammed in my life time
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• 2469[20:01:19] <joepublic> Hi Tranquil. Greetings to you as well.
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• 2471[20:02:14] <DrBunsen> Heya, I noticed my system goes into sleep after a while of no user interaction:"PM: Preparing system for sleep (mem)". How do I disable this? In power options it is set to never sleep. Is there a conf file somewhere?
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• 2473[20:02:29] <Tranquil> joepublic hello
• 2474[20:02:34] <Tranquil> joepublic thanks alot
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• 2476[20:02:58] <diogenes_> DrBunsen, what DE?
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• 2478[20:03:28] <DrBunsen> diogenes_: gnome, which comes with the install
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• 2480[20:03:47] <diogenes_> DrBunsen, then look in dconf-editor
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• 2484[20:04:35] <DrBunsen> diogenes_: which part in dconf? There are a lot of options ;)
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• 2486[20:05:07] <diogenes_> DrBunsen, just click on search and write power or sleep and hit searcg
• 2487[20:05:11] <diogenes_> search*
• 2488[20:06:27] <DrBunsen> It seems to be in order. Sleep-inactive-ac-timeout is set to 3600(hour) and sleep-inactive-ac-type is set to "nothing".
• 2489[20:07:30] <diogenes_> DrBunsen, then you might want to create a 50-monitor.conf
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• 2492[20:09:13] <rwp> DrBunsen, I am pretty sure that the sleep option is found under the screensaver menu in the graphical gnome options stuff. Probably easier to adjust there than dconf directly.
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• 2494[20:10:59] * abrotman looks at Tranquil
• 2495[20:11:39] <DrBunsen> I can't find that in the tweak tool, but this is what I am seeing in my dmesg: replaced-url
• 2496[20:13:09] <Tranquil> abrotman hello girl
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• 2501[20:14:48] <rwp> GNOME tries to be way too "helpful" with default actions like sleeping. (And automatically mounting removable media. One of my peeves...)
• 2502[20:14:51] <diogenes_> DrBunsen, is your screen going blank before going to sleep?
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• 2504[20:15:57] <Intelo> Would you mark as spam for something that says "You have been unsubscribed. We hate to see you go. <br /> <Video thumbnail> Site.com"
• 2505[20:17:07] <DrBunsen> diogenes_: No, it doesn't lock automatically, or blank for that matter. It just happens after hours of inactivity.
• 2506[20:17:08] <rwp> Intelo, I would not want to teach my anti-spam tool that future valid messages of unsubscription should be dropped as junk. So I would not.
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• 2511[20:18:05] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o abrotman
• 2512[20:18:05] *** abrotman sets mode: +q *!*@182.185.87.58
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• 2515[20:18:25] <abrotman> Tranquil: that was uncalled for
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• 2518[20:18:44] <oblio> hello, im running buster and just did a reboot after and apt-get update/upgrade and my system is no longer bootable. i have an encrypted lvm2 root and it doesn't ask for the password, it just says it can't find the volume group. anyone know what might be up?
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• 2524[20:20:45] <joepublic> oblio: for reasons such as this, buster is still in testing. thank you for volunteering to help test it.
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• 2526[20:21:09] <Intelo> rwp, you would want it to be treated as junk next time?
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• 2529[20:21:40] <oblio> joepublic: so yeah, unfortunately i dont know enough about the boot process to debug this
• 2530[20:22:55] <joepublic> oblio, testing/sid support of the depth that you'd probably need is offtopic here, but the group in #debian-next over on oftc is very knowledgeable and will probably be able to help.
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• 2559[20:34:51] <rwp> Intelo, I would not want to teach my anti-spam tool that future valid messages of unsubscription should be dropped as junk. So I would not.
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• 2561[20:35:38] <rwp> The only way to have the anti-spam do a perfect job of that would be to keep a database of everything you validly subscribe to and match up unsubscription requests with that list.
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• 2565[20:37:03] <rwp> That is how we as humans decide. We know if that unsubscribe message was in reaction to us unsubscribing then it is valid. If it is not then we know it is spam. But it is only because we know if it was us unsubscribing or not that we can decide that. Most anti-spam tools cannot know that information.
• 2566[20:37:26] <Intelo> rwp, ok
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• 2591[20:52:37] <xdruppi> if debian updates to a new stable version? do i have to reinstall debian?
• 2592[20:52:54] <nkuttler> xdruppi: no
• 2593[20:52:58] <greycat> No. Debian puts a great deal of work into making sure you can upgrade from one stable release to the next.
• 2594[20:53:19] <nkuttler> and that you can keep running that old stable release for a while after the new release
• 2595[20:53:25] <xdruppi> my sources.list only works on stretch right now, should i go ahead and change it to stable?
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• 2598[20:54:00] <nkuttler> xdruppi: no, that's not a good idea
• 2599[20:54:22] <nkuttler> xdruppi: if you put "stable" in your sources, you can get updates when you haven't expected them..
• 2600[20:54:38] <greycat> Putting "stable" in sources.list is probably the worst possible idea.
• 2601[20:54:56] <greycat> Ironically, it leads to a complete lack of stability.
• 2602[20:55:06] <xdruppi> then, when the time comes, how do i properly update to the newest stable version of debian? sorry to bother you with these newbish questions
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• 2604[20:55:29] <greycat> There will be release notes that will describe the steps necessary to upgrade. Usually it's pretty simple.
• 2605[20:55:49] <xdruppi> huh ok
• 2606[20:55:51] <xdruppi> thank you
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• 2608[20:56:44] <rattlebattle79> Hmm... So stable is like "stable train", like they do in FreeBSD?
• 2609[20:57:03] <xdruppi> what's that rattlebattle79?
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• 2612[20:57:34] <petn-randall> !stable
• 2613[20:57:34] <dpkg> [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or version-bumped, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Stretch (9.x); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the stable version (ask me about <security backports>). replaced-url
• 2614[20:58:50] <rattlebattle79> FreeBSD use the term "stable train" for betas and RCs which will become stable. Basically means feature freeze, but not production ready. This confuses a lot of newbies in FreeBSD.
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• 2622[20:59:51] <petn-randall> rattlebattle79: Well, stable is the end result, after it was declared stable and released. So pretty much the way people expect it to be, I assume.
• 2623[20:59:52] <whislock> rattlebattle79: In debian, "stable" is a synonym for the current stable release. If you use "stable" in your sources, you'll suddenly go through a potentially-unintended full release upgrade when the next release becomes the stable release.
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• 2626[21:00:32] <rattlebattle79> whislock: Ah ok, I see
• 2627[21:00:32] <petn-randall> rattlebattle79: Anything before being stable is called "testing", and usually goes through several levels of freezes.
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• 2632[21:01:44] <rattlebattle79> so if you put "stable" in the sources.list it will do a release upgrade from the very same day there is a new stable version of Debian?
• 2633[21:01:49] <xdruppi> i know that debian devs release newest stable when it is ready, but when is it coming out aprox?
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• 2636[21:02:39] <whislock> rattlebattle79: The next time you do an apt update/upgrade.
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• 2640[21:03:13] <petn-randall> !wwbr
• 2641[21:03:13] <dpkg> Debian 10 "Buster" start the <freeze> process on 2019-01-12 and should release mid-2019. replaced-url
• 2642[21:03:14] <EdePopede> xdruppi: see on replaced-url
• 2643[21:03:17] <petn-randall> xdruppi: ^^^
• 2644[21:03:25] <petn-randall> The betting pools are open, too.
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• 2650[21:04:50] <xdruppi> hahaha
• 2651[21:04:52] <xdruppi> thanks by the way
• 2652[21:04:58] * crazeekennee just installed buster to this desktop .. fwiw
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• 2660[21:10:04] <jim> crazeekennee, if you're just hanging out, that seems cool... and, if you want official support, try #debian-next on oftc.net
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• 2664[21:11:03] <crazeekennee> jim: I'm just hanging out and listening .. and if i can add something I try to
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• 2672[21:13:16] <jim> crazeekennee, for example, if you're also running some stretch debians, the place for support is here
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• 2678[21:17:38] <whislock> crazeekennee: How old are we talking on keys?
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• 2686[21:20:07] <crazeekennee> whislock: not entirely sure, but fairly recentish (past 18 months or so) .. I may have misspoke and meant the cert...
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• 2688[21:20:41] <whislock> crazeekennee: A cert includes the public key.
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• 2693[21:22:45] <crazeekennee> whislock: Eventually I found a debian bug report for it: replaced-url
• 2694[21:22:46] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 2697[21:25:39] <SerajewelKS> gotta love how stuff breaks when a library starts doing things according to the spec
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• 2706[21:27:41] <whislock> Ah, yes. OpenSSL stopped recognizing the long-deprecated nsCertType extension.
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• 2714[21:29:50] <crazeekennee> whislock: that showed up as a deprecation warning, but wasn't the fix .. it's still in the working setup we eventually got running
• 2715[21:29:55] <whislock> Oh, this is different. OCSP signing is an invalid EKU for CA certificates.
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• 2719[21:31:03] <whislock> CAs shouldn't specify any EKUs at all, in fact.
• 2720[21:31:56] <whislock> In that bug report, the presence of the OCSP signing EKU means, by RFC, that that cert is ONLY allowed to be used for OCSP signing.
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• 2723[21:32:13] <lpancescu> hello, i'd like to switch an existing installation to use just sudo. is it enough to run 'adduser lpancescu sudo' to add myself to the sudo group, and then lock the root account via 'passwd -l root'? does debian-installer do something else when you don't enter a root password during installation?
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• 2725[21:32:38] <whislock> Further reading of the RFC states that if a CA cert has both KU and EKU fields populated, the cert can only be used for a purpose contained in both fields. If there are no common purposes between fields, the cert can't be used for anything at all.
• 2726[21:33:17] <greycat> lpancescu: it also installs sudo, which is not a default package
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• 2740[21:41:40] <gintonyc> Hi, i have some trouble with my PATH, since my upgrade stretch to Buster, in root console "usermod" or "ifconfig" for examples return "command not found". But if i used /usr/sbin/usermod or man usermod its worked... Problem with my PATH ? Thanks
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• 2742[21:42:23] <whislock> gintonyc: ifconfig, and the rest of net-tools, was deprecated ten years ago. Please use the iproute2 commands.
• 2743[21:42:23] <EdePopede> gintonyc: what is the value of $PATH?
• 2744[21:42:30] <annadane> gintonyc, use su -
• 2745[21:42:33] <annadane> instead of su
• 2746[21:42:44] <gintonyc> ok whislock, it was just an example but ok i will check it
• 2747[21:42:55] <whislock> gintonyc: Hold on, I've got a cheat sheet here...
• 2748[21:43:09] <whislock> gintonyc: replaced-url
• 2749[21:43:12] <gintonyc> the echo $PATH return /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games
• 2750[21:43:18] <whislock> gintonyc: Gives the net-tools commands, and their replacements.
• 2751[21:43:24] <gintonyc> ok thanks
• 2752[21:43:51] <gintonyc> annadane you are right
• 2753[21:43:54] <gintonyc> its works now
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• 2755[21:44:10] <gintonyc> in Stretch, i just used "su", it's not the good way ?
• 2756[21:44:16] <annadane> changed in buster
• 2757[21:44:25] <gintonyc> oh thanks a lot !
• 2758[21:44:27] <Tom-_> whislock, thanks i've been meaning to get to that
• 2759[21:44:45] <whislock> !ifconfig
• 2760[21:44:45] <dpkg> ifconfig is used to configure or view your machine's network interfaces. Use the -a option to view all of them, or "man ifconfig" for more. It is /sbin/ifconfig which is not in the default path for normal users. See also <interfaces>, <iproute>, <myip>.
• 2761[21:44:50] <whislock> !iproute
• 2762[21:44:50] <dpkg> it has been said that iproute is the successor to ifconfig and route and allows proper aliasing of ips rather than the old 'ip aliasing' scheme - read replaced-url
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• 2765[21:45:10] <whislock> Oof. Need to update those.
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• 2768[21:46:44] <SerajewelKS> i like ip's commands but i like the summary that ifconfig displays much better
• 2769[21:46:53] <hackedhead> is there a way to query an apt repo for package URLs from a no-debian distro?
• 2770[21:46:54] <SerajewelKS> it takes like three different ip invocations to get all of that information from ip
• 2771[21:46:57] <hackedhead> non-debian
• 2772[21:47:03] <hackedhead> (i.e. without apt)
• 2773[21:47:18] <SerajewelKS> hackedhead: i have no idea what you're asking
• 2774[21:47:32] <whislock> SerajewelKS: Only thing I'm not seeing from 'ip a' is tx/rx stats.
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• 2776[21:47:36] <SerajewelKS> to query an apt repo without apt... what?
• 2777[21:47:53] <hackedhead> some sopftware is only distributed via .deb package, for example, and only via a prviate apt repo.
• 2778[21:48:14] <hackedhead> I want to download the deb file, unpacka nd repack it into the target distros package format
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• 2780[21:48:41] <hackedhead> so the website has no link toa .deb file. only instructions for adding an apt repo
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• 2784[21:49:24] <hackedhead> ergo, I can't figure out how to download the .deb without having apt.
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• 2786[21:49:31] <SerajewelKS> whislock: i think that changed in the last release. i seem to recall that the hardware address was not part of the output for awhile.
• 2787[21:49:53] <whislock> SerajewelKS: Oh, huh, I must have never noticed. 'ip -s a' gives me everything that ifconfig did, at least now.
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• 2789[21:49:59] <hackedhead> I can ask apt about the download location, fi I have a debian based distro available, but.
• 2790[21:50:15] <SerajewelKS> hackedhead: the repo should be browsable over HTTP, no?
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• 2792[21:50:23] <hackedhead> it doesn't seem to be no.
• 2793[21:50:34] <hackedhead> replaced-url
• 2794[21:50:35] <oblio> if i have an encrypted lvm that contains my swap partition, how should it be setup to be mounted on boot? right now my system is trying to mount it before the password is asked for.
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• 2799[21:51:47] <hackedhead> package at: replaced-url
• 2800[21:51:49] <SerajewelKS> oblio: i have the same setup and swap isn't mounted until after the disk is unlocked
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• 2802[21:52:14] <hackedhead> (apt-get download --print-uris <package>)
• 2803[21:52:19] <SerajewelKS> hackedhead: ah it's an S3 bucket without public list permission
• 2804[21:52:40] <hackedhead> but apt can learn about the directory structure somehow
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• 2806[21:52:51] <SerajewelKS> no apt reads a package list
• 2807[21:53:03] <hackedhead> from where?
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• 2810[21:53:46] <SerajewelKS> replaced-url
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• 2812[21:54:26] <SerajewelKS> you may want binary-amd64 instead
• 2813[21:54:30] <hackedhead> how was that URL determined?
• 2814[21:54:36] <SerajewelKS> replaced-url
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• 2817[21:55:28] <hackedhead> SerajewelKS: many thanks! just what I needed
• 2818[21:55:30] <SerajewelKS> basically, $REPO/dists/$RELEASE/main/$ARCH/Packages
• 2819[21:55:55] <SerajewelKS> on debian, "main" can also be e.g. "contrib" or "non-free"
• 2820[21:56:04] <SerajewelKS> basically the sources.list contains all of the parts you have to assemble into that URL
• 2821[21:56:19] <hackedhead> yeah, right
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• 2833[22:08:10] <znoteer> When I do anything that is supposed to open a menu in firefox, like click on a menu in the menubar, or click the hamburger button, or right click in the display area, the menu only flashed very briefly then disappears. It's been doing this to me for a couple of days now. I have to quit and restart to make the menus usable. Searching the web hasn't turned up anything useful. Anyone know what's going on?
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• 2857[22:12:28] <Sveta> after you restart and it starts working, what breaks it again?
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• 2870[22:16:42] <znoteer> Sveta: it hasn't happened enough times that I can pinpoint it to some action of mine of after loading some page in particular. The last thing I did this time was to install NoScript. But, I can't say that it was working immediately before that :(
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• 2969[23:09:12] <zerocool> hi dudes, im using pam to authenticate against openldap, it's telling me that my password has expired but in openldap no such attribute exists for expiry, anyone know if this is PAM specific or something?
• 2970[23:09:20] <zerocool> or where else i might look for this
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• 2972[23:09:58] <zerocool> i can still ssh with my keys, without them i am prompted for password and fails with expired.
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• 2982[23:20:08] <karlpinc> zerocool: I don't know. I'd look at /etc/shadow and see if you've expired in there.
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• 2992[23:21:47] <zerocool> karlpinc: this user isn't listed there, they are from ldap so `getent passwd` lists the user but no expire info is listed
• 2993[23:22:15] <rwp> zerocool, The /etc/shadow file (man shadow) contains account expiration timestamps.
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• 2996[23:22:37] <rwp> If you are root you can see the shadow database with "getent shadow username"
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• 2998[23:23:01] <zerocool> rwp: again these are ldap users not shadow, these users aren't listed in /etc/shadow
• 2999[23:23:04] <zerocool> i even looked
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• 3001[23:23:51] <agio> hi all, im having a repeated problem where my X server suddenly becomes unresponsive. htop shows its consuming about 50% of CPU and I have to restart my X session. is there any way I can debug this? i have looked into ~/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.log and ~/.xsession-errors, but Im not really sure what I should be looking at. also the files aren't timestamped so I can't relate the entries to the problem causing
• 3002[23:23:53] <agio> events themselves
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• 3004[23:24:19] <zerocool> getent shadow lists the shadow entries and getend passwd lists all, local, ldap, samba/AD, i can see this user's entry but no expire data is listed
• 3005[23:24:41] <zerocool> in ldap no attribute for expiry exists
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• 3012[23:29:18] <zerocool> you know i just realized even though I get the message about expiration, it allows me to login so I'll just ignore it for now
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• 3022[23:38:18] <PaddyF> how can i trigger that an audio file is played every time a console or ssh login is established?
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• 3027[23:43:31] <EdePopede> PaddyF: maybe checking in .profile if it is such a login and then mplayer or aplay
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• 3030[23:45:52] <PaddyF> .profile is a config file how can it trigger aplay?
• 3031[23:46:43] <LtL> PaddyF: use /var/log/auth.log somehow
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• 3034[23:47:31] <digdilem> PaddyF, this might help you along the route - only replace sending an email with playing an audio file; replaced-url
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• 3036[23:47:54] <PaddyF> ahh, nice :D
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• 3038[23:48:49] <PaddyF> via PAM event. i was almost sensing it :P
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