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11 [00:06:34] <simbalion> How is installation triggered from a
Live CD?
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14 [00:07:59] <hassoon> shinnya: debian-installer
15 [00:08:14] <hassoon> !dpkg debian-installer
16 [00:08:14] <dpkg> Debian 9 "Stretch is now the
"stable" Debian release. See
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35 [00:17:44] <simbalion> Thanks, I had to add that package to
my live CD but it does boot with the 4.16 kernel
36 [00:18:16] <simbalion> This article helped a lot:
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44 [00:24:44] <bb36e> I'm getting an error when updating my
repos: "The key(s) in the keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg are
ignored as the file is not readable by user '_apt'
executing apt-key."
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45 [00:24:48] <V7> Hey all
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48 [00:25:03] <bb36e> bb36e: this is on a fresh (as in 30min
old) installation
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81 [00:46:05] <LtL> bb36e: delete /etc/apt/trusted.gpg ; you can
recreate it later. its a synaptic bug
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83 [00:46:49] <bb36e> LtL: gotcha, thanks.
84 [00:47:00] <LtL> bb36e: welcome
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104 [01:04:37] <m0rd3cai> Got a weird issue and im having no luck
finding an answer. on Stretch, my laptop requires ctrl-alt-f1 when i
close the lid and reopen, the screen stays black until i do. has
anyone else come across this? ive disabled suspending on closing the
lid. I cant figure out where else to look
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116 [01:14:47] <somiaj> m0rd3cai: are you sure it is a suspend
issue. If you have disabled suspend when closign the lid, it might
just be screen blanking, any key press should bring it back
117 [01:15:00] <somiaj> by default xorg will make the screen
black after a certain time of inactivity until a key press
118 [01:15:03] <somiaj> or mouse movement
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127 [01:26:07] <simbalion> well it turns out the standard install
image works, I just had to switch UEFI to legacy mode
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129 [01:28:18] <somiaj> uefi should work, did you disable secure
boot?
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132 [01:32:07] <allorder> -+
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145 [01:40:59] <RoyK> allorder: ± ;)
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153 [01:45:35] <annadane> # 1-0
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220 [02:37:49] <m0rd3cai> somiaj: im not 100% it has to do with
suspend its just everytime i close the lid and open it up. if I dont
fully close the lid, just close it enough for screen to shutoff it
will come right back on. if I fully close the lid, i HAVE to
ctrl-alt-f1. nothing else works.
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223 [02:40:15] <mudblur> hi all! I'm facing an issue with
gnome-shell that I'm not sure if it's a bug or some bad
extension that I'm using. After some time using the
environment, I cannot get the password dialog for VPN connections
using NetworkManager-Gnome. Checking journalctl, I see
"gnome-shell[2352]: JS ERROR: error while spawning VPN auth
helper: GLib.Error g-unix-error-quark: Too many open files".
Any advice?
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227 [02:46:33] <Nemo79> Hi,someone knows if exists any way to
install Deepin Desktop Environment (DDE) in debian?
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232 [02:48:02] <mudblur> Nemo79, looks like it's possible
using sid repositories:
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237 [02:50:15] <somiaj> I would not mix stable and sid, and
suggesting such a thing will lead to problems, so please don't.
If you are running testing or sid, it could be possible.
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240 [02:51:05] <Pwnna> Is there a fakemount kinda thing like
fakeroot/fakechroot?
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242 [02:51:19] <somiaj> Pwnna: what would a fakemount do?
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244 [02:51:36] <annadane> (there's a fakechroot...?)
245 [02:51:51] <annadane> makes sense i guess
246 [02:51:55] <Pwnna> fakeloopmount, maybe a better description
247 [02:51:58] <Nemo79> mudblur, yeah! The deepin linux is based
in debian sid, but i'm afraid broken my system!
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249 [02:52:13] <Pwnna> and possibly fake bind mounts as well
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252 [02:52:54] <Pwnna> basically i want to have an image to be
available to an application as some path, but without root
253 [02:53:03] <somiaj> Pwnna: put it in fstab then
254 [02:53:07] <Pwnna> don't have root tho
255 [02:53:26] <mudblur> Nemo79, the risk is real... specially
for packages with many dependencies like an DE... =/
256 [02:53:27] <somiaj> Pwnna: but in general being able to mount
things can be a security issue, so I don't think there is a way
to nicely do this as a user without root privlages.
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260 [02:54:33] <Pwnna> yeah... basically i want to have like..
fuse, except it's not really mounted on the system, but only
available to a single process, or something like that if that makes
sense
261 [02:55:18] <somiaj> hmm, wonder how fakechroot keeps the user
from escaping teh chroot and becoming root
262 [02:55:38] <Pwnna> i believe fakeroot ld preloads the setuid
call, no?
263 [02:55:47] <Pwnna> maybe it's more complex than that..
264 [02:56:25] <somiaj> Pwnna:
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266 [02:56:38] <Pwnna> yeah i read that. basically it tells me
i'm out of luck
267 [02:56:40] <somiaj> the man page says fakeroot doens't
use setuid, so it somehow makes everything owned by the user
268 [02:56:47] <Pwnna> unless fusermount is available on the
system.
269 [02:57:00] <Pwnna>
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272 [02:57:18] <Pwnna> > It's using LD_PRELOAD to load a
shared library into program which replaces calls into libc, such as
open and stat, and then returns information to make it look like
certain commands succeeded
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274 [02:58:12] <somiaj> Pwnna: is udisks2 on the system, seems
that might work too
275 [02:58:16] <somiaj>
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279 [02:58:51] <Pwnna> yeah i'm trying to avoid relying on
setuid binaries if possible.
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282 [02:59:27] <Pwnna> but i guess mount is probably the wrong
level to solve this problem
283 [02:59:56] <Pwnna> does zip files have an index for quick
file access? I know tar does not..
284 [02:59:57] <BenderRodriguez> Pwnna: teach me C++
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295 [03:06:01] <Mr_Queue> Pwnna: tar -tvf Pwnna.tar
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299 [03:06:13] <Pwnna> that's streaming through the entire
tar
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301 [03:06:30] <Pwnna> i can't quickly seek to the correct
position based on a path
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304 [03:07:02] <Pwnna> so to get a file i have to in the worst
case go through the entire tarball
305 [03:07:33] <Pwnna> if i want to access a lot of files from
it, it becomes number_of_files_accessed * size_of_tarball
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307 [03:08:32] <Mr_Queue> I think you'd probably want to do
something like bacula for the indexes.
308 [03:08:32] <Pwnna> there's dar.. but i can't easily
access manipulate each files without using the official
binary/interface, unless i'm going to hook into libdar or
something..
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311 [03:10:13] <Pwnna> basically i want to access an archival
file format (or fs images from dd) without having to alter my code
if at all possible.. Now fuse would likely solve this but it
requires root which is not ideal..
312 [03:10:30] <Mr_Queue> and slow
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315 [03:10:50] <Pwnna> how slow
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318 [03:11:27] <trouble_> hey I broke my debian box pretty bad..
anyone know how to start fixing when you dont even have apt as an
available resource?
319 [03:11:37] <Pwnna> it goes into the kernel, then to
userspace, then backwards to your program, but i'd think the
limiting factor is likely still IO? Unless the fused format/driver
itself is inefficient (like not having an index with tar)
320 [03:11:47] <Mr_Queue> trouble_: backup from a liveCD
321 [03:12:26] <trouble_> I was removing packages from an xterm
window and it made me type "Yes do as I say!" and I was
feeling invicible so did so.. no livecd here unfortunately
322 [03:12:51] <trouble_> I do have a workable command prompt
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324 [03:12:59] <trouble_> but somehowe apt is gone
325 [03:13:04] <Mr_Queue> wget and stuff?
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329 [03:14:09] <trouble_> wget may work.. of course its a 100+
character address with 12 subdirectories
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331 [03:14:17] <trouble_> trying
332 [03:14:45] <Mr_Queue> I would probably just restore from a
backup, you're probably going to spend a very long time putting
this puzzle back together by hand.
333 [03:16:31] <trouble_> hrmm may have lost network stack also..
in which case i'll break down and get a live cd burned on a sub
stick or something
334 [03:16:47] <Mr_Queue> That's what I would do.
335 [03:16:47] <trouble_> there is no option during boot screen
eh?
336 [03:17:07] <Mr_Queue> Well a kernel for sure, but not how to
use tools you removed.
337 [03:17:37] <trouble_> wait didnt systemd remove ifconfig
anyways
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339 [03:18:32] <Mr_Queue> I would just liveCD it... Sync userdata
off somewhere and then reinstall the OS then bring the userdata
back.
340 [03:18:56] <rant> is there any simple way to make command
line password dialogs echo chars, perhaps with * or something? my
keyboard is messed up and until its replaced I'd like to know
when typing long passwords if my keystrokes are being registered,
repeated, or not
341 [03:19:02] <trouble_> ok thanks.. i'll look into it for
tomorrow
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343 [03:19:39] <rant> cause typing my passwords into an editor
and copy/pasting is far less secure :P
344 [03:19:51] <Mr_Queue> key it?
345 [03:20:12] <rant> that also reduces security
346 [03:20:41] <rant> my main concern with most of these things
is local exploitation.. if it doesnt require a password then anyone
can access it
347 [03:21:18] <Mr_Queue> Well if the get the localbox
you're screwed anyhow.
348 [03:21:47] <rant> no I'm not.. you still need the 40+
char password to decrypt volumes
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350 [03:22:15] <somiaj> rant: why not use a password database
like keepassx with a keyfile to open
351 [03:22:16] <rant> I just dont like having to type it 40+
times before it works
352 [03:22:45] <rant> yeah, no..
353 [03:23:17] <rant> I want it to work the way it does..
requiring typed passwords I just would like a temp work around to
know if a key is being hit twice or not at all
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355 [03:23:31] <rant> gui dialogs echo, console ones dont
356 [03:23:43] <annadane> you could install siri and vocalize
your passwords
357 [03:23:48] <Mr_Queue> lol
358 [03:24:33] <Mr_Queue> yodeling passwords probably isn't
that secure.
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365 [03:28:29] <ryouma> rant: key click app
366 [03:28:44] <ryouma> dunno if there exists one
367 [03:29:39] <rant> that doesnt work.. already thought of
that.. you can't have focus to an app to tell me what key is
being pressed and the one getting the passwor
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369 [03:30:39] <rant> I'll just live with it.. until I get
another keyboard..
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419 [04:21:54] <ryouma> rant: if it's any consolation, text
boxes in firefox for me do not show anythign at all. black on black.
i can't seem to get dark background css to work.
420 [04:22:49] <ryouma> huh.
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421 [04:23:10] <ryouma> as opposed to e.g. deb
replaced-url
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423 [04:24:28] <jim> ryouma, yeah, the security line is different
from that, you can just have both of them in the same sources.list
424 [04:25:00] <ryouma> jim: i have deb
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425 [04:25:12] <jim> ok...
426 [04:25:20] <ryouma> wrong?
427 [04:25:21] <jim> do you run jessie?
428 [04:25:24] <ryouma> yes
429 [04:25:30] <jim> no, that looks right for jessie
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431 [04:26:06] <ryouma> i will upgrade to stretch soon. i presume
the upgrade manual says which servers to use.
432 [04:26:19] <jim> (note however, jessie is oldstable, and you
could upgrade to stable if you want... be forewarned, upgrading like
that -will- change a few things)
433 [04:26:41] <ryouma> lts says e.g. deb
replaced-url
434 [04:26:58] <ryouma> what do you mean by like that?
435 [04:27:06] <jim> jessie (==oldstable) is still on the regular
mirrors
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438 [04:27:37] <jim> making that kind of large upgrade, is what I
mean
439 [04:27:46] <ryouma> isn't it the same as any dist
upgrade?
440 [04:27:58] <jim> well kinda
441 [04:28:16] <ryouma> or do you mean stretch is pretty
different from jessie?
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443 [04:29:14] <jim> the way I see it, you can dist-upgrade
without changing your sources.list, the effect of which is to
upgrade your present debian 8 to latest debian 8
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445 [04:29:41] <ryouma> um yeah i do that as needed
446 [04:29:54] <jim> and then there's the dist-upgrade where
you bump your sources.list to the newer version
447 [04:30:01] <ryouma> that's what meant
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450 [04:30:20] <jim> so then yeah, it's not different from
that
451 [04:30:50] <ryouma> i'd be ok with not upgrading but
jessie keeps degrading, sometimes without my knowing it (e.g.
chromium security support dropped without any tools telling me). and
there are a couple of minor things i want from stretch. like, um,
probably codecs and stuff.
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455 [04:31:54] <jim> but in -any- upgrade of that size (debian,
arch, fedora, macos, windows, etc etc), things are going to
change... in debian, it gives you some warnings about what's
going to be different...
456 [04:31:57] <jim> and,
457 [04:32:39] <jim> when you dist-upgrade with bumping your
sources.list, generally, you're about to replace all your
executables and libs
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459 [04:33:23] <jim> for me, the trepidation is worse than the
fact, but some things do get annoying
460 [04:33:24] <RoyK> and it'll usuall work
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462 [04:33:52] <jim> RoyK, yep, in debian it hasn't ever not
worked
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465 [04:34:17] <jim> and I started with debian pre-1.0
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467 [04:35:03] <ryouma> yeah, the risk is why i have not done it
yet
468 [04:35:16] <jim> is this a remote?
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470 [04:35:32] <ryouma> this is what i have. can i replace jessie
with stretch in this and then dist-upgrade? or does stretch want
anything special for the servers?
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471 [04:35:34] <ryouma> no
472 [04:35:41] <ryouma> but i am limited in computer use
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475 [04:35:57] <ryouma> things going wrong is a problem
476 [04:36:51] <ryouma> i think my backports line needs a .us in
there, but otherwise i'm guessing the servers are ok. but the
deb tghing in the lts page confuses me.
477 [04:37:26] <jim> I've upgraded from jessie to stretch on
at least 4 machines (one a remote), and it resulted fine...
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479 [04:38:05] <jim> the usual thing, you have to bring your
jessie current to jessie latest before you do jessie -> stretch
480 [04:38:21] <jim> also, you should read the stretch release
notes
481 [04:39:01] <ryouma> always upgrade at least once per day and
did read those when they were released.
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483 [04:39:48] <jim> as long as you bring your jessie uptodate
first
484 [04:39:51] <deb_desker> I run windows 10 on my desktop. I
enjoy working in a debian enviroment and I think I'd like to
run debian on a virtual machine. Would Hyper V be good for this? Is
there a better VM/similar solution for my case?
485 [04:39:53] <jim> that's important
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487 [04:40:34] <Mr_Queue> deb_desker: No idea what Hyper V is.
488 [04:41:02] <jim> deb_desker, I've had success myself
with qemu/kvm, I've heard success stories about virtual box
489 [04:41:50] <jim> deb_desker, you should be able to boot a
debian netinstall image for either of those
490 [04:42:16] <jim> I've never heard of the one you
mention, so I couldn't comment
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492 [04:42:38] <ryouma> yes, i always dist-upgrade in the normal
sense and will before the replace sense
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494 [04:44:25] <jim> ryouma, chances are pretty good (if like you
say you upgrade daily like that) that you already have a jessie
that's up to date, it's not eol, but I dunno if it changed
after stretch was released, other than security updates
495 [04:45:47] <jim> ryouma, what does your server do?
496 [04:46:39] <Mr_Queue> reply to pings of course.
497 [04:47:05] <jim> well really I want to ask, what services
does your server provide that you had to configure pretty heavily?
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500 [04:51:10] <jim> ryouma, do you have lots of space in /var?
apt downloads packages to /var/cache/apt/archives before it installs
them
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529 [05:09:47] <ryouma> jim: i don't serve anything
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531 [05:10:07] <ryouma> i have lots of space in ./
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533 [05:10:17] <ryouma> / where var is
534 [05:10:47] <ryouma> i did have problems getting to jessie
when i included contrib in sources.list. i ran out of my 4gb of
memory.
535 [05:11:08] <ryouma> so i will remove it
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537 [05:11:29] <ryouma> (i think it was jessie)
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539 [05:13:05] <mnuhmnuh> ryouma: 4gb of memory == storage/disk
or RAM/memory?
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548 [05:19:06] <mnuhmnuh> ryouma: contrib in sources.list
shouldn't cause any problem. it won't be used until you
ask for contrib stuff, or your stuff asks for it.
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551 [05:21:08] <ryouma> ram. dunno what the deal was.
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553 [05:21:28] <ryouma> i don't use anything much from
contrib
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555 [05:23:33] <jim> ryouma, oh? so this box that you might
upgrade isn't being a server for anything? what purpose does it
serve?
556 [05:23:55] <ryouma> just general purpose
557 [05:24:20] <ryouma> seems debian is a server-oriented distro
558 [05:25:17] <jim> yeah, I'd say so...
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563 [05:25:48] <jim> so... you haven't changed it much?
configured any programs or anything?
564 [05:26:18] <ryouma> not much that would affect an upgrade i
think
565 [05:26:35] <jim> that's what I'm thinking too...
566 [05:26:57] <ryouma> my only concerns are non-bootability,
non-x-ability, etc. for example, jessie broke when x required
firmware for my video card.
567 [05:27:13] <ryouma> when i upgraded to it. took me forever to
figure out that i needed firmware.
568 [05:27:14] <jim> maybe you can upgrade safely then
569 [05:27:42] <jim> does it perform any function, like gateway
router or anything like that?
570 [05:27:50] <ryouma> no
571 [05:28:30] <jim> yeah, I would think you could upgrade to
stretch pretty much any time
572 [05:29:00] <jim> other than bringing your debian 8 current to
debian 8 latest, here's a couple things...
573 [05:29:08] <ryouma> yeah. but i find debian's initrd and
grub and their interaction with debconf and so on, and x stuff, to
be so complex and daunting that i want to make sure i have the right
sources.list and everything done right.
574 [05:29:47] <jim> 1, you can get the packages of it without
installing them, by using -d (like: apt-get -d dist-upgrade)
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576 [05:30:53] <ryouma> interesting. then can i upgrade using
those? that would mean faster upgrade once everything is dled right?
577 [05:30:57] <jim> 2, if the box you want to upgrade has any
original material that you want to keep, you probably want to back
those up... maybe they're just in your home dir
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579 [05:31:35] <jim> ryouma, yes, just take the -d away, then it
will install em
580 [05:31:39] <ryouma> if network breaks during upgrade then i
might not have a bootable or x-able system
581 [05:31:52] <ryouma> is this compatible with upgrade manual?
582 [05:32:00] <jim> should be
583 [05:32:34] <jim> when you say "upgrade manual",
what are you referring to? (juat making sure)
584 [05:34:21] <jim> aside from which, you seem to have a way to
come here on a machine other than the debian one, and so, people
here can step in and try to help
585 [05:34:24] <ryouma>
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588 [05:34:40] <jim> oh, that's the upgrade manual?
589 [05:35:22] <ryouma> part of that is
590 [05:35:33] <jim> ok
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592 [05:35:48] <jim> you should definitely read that
593 [05:36:05] <ryouma> what i mean by compatible with upgrade
manual is, supposedly this is all tested, so "is it compatible
with known practices for jupgrading from jessie to stretch, to skip
what the manual says and use -d first?"
594 [05:36:13] <ryouma> i read it when it was released
595 [05:36:37] <jim> oh, the -d thing
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598 [05:37:15] <ryouma> i.e. does -d introduce any risks in this
process, which presumably was worked out from at least freeze time
to release time
599 [05:37:16] <jim> that just does what apt would normally do,
except it stops when it's finished downloading packages
600 [05:37:33] <jim> no
601 [05:37:50] <ryouma> huh, i thought it downloaded each package
when it needed it, not alla t once first before installing
602 [05:38:07] <ryouma> if it does that anyway, then i don't
need it i guess
603 [05:38:14] <ryouma> -d that is
604 [05:38:16] <jim> here's why I do it:
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607 [05:39:10] <jim> sometimes I don't have time to watch it
while it upgrades, but downloading packages doesn't need me
watching that (it'd be like watching paint dry or grass grow)
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609 [05:40:08] <jim> so I'll start with a -d when I'm
about to go to lunch, and it should be finished downloading by the
time I get back
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612 [05:40:57] <jim> then I just take the -d away, and it
installs what it downloaded earlier
613 [05:41:48] <jim> yeah, it calculates the entire upgrade, then
downloads the packages, then installs em
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615 [05:42:35] <ryouma> so i don't really need the -d then i
guess, unless i want to make sure there are no issues with space
first or so
616 [05:42:38] <ryouma> it soudns like
617 [05:43:08] <jim> that's true whether it's
installing one or more packages which have a few dependencies, all
the way up to a full upgrade of the entire system
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620 [05:43:35] <jim> correct, you don't need it, unless you
feel like you want to separate downloading from installing
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622 [05:44:17] <jim> what it really depends on is what you think
your time scheduling is like
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628 [05:48:19] <jim> I gave one example, downloading the packages
of the upgrade while at lunch
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630 [05:49:27] <jim> another: you might start the package
download when you're about to sleep, then when you wake up,
they're there waiting
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634 [05:50:33] <jim> I say this, because normally I like to watch
the actual install of the packages
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636 [05:51:28] <jim> something which is -also- not required
637 [05:51:34] <jim> but you might want to
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643 [05:54:34] <ryouma> good point start early in day or use -d
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648 [05:58:19] <jim> ryouma, yeah, main point being, you have
some choices as to how you want to do it
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651 [05:59:57] <jim> gotta leave for a bit... talk soon
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662 [06:03:08] <Tenacious-Techhu> I'm getting this error
with apt-get: "files list file for package 'nodered'
contains empty filename"
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670 [06:04:15] <Tenacious-Techhu> How can I fix it?
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682 [06:13:43] <eric23> which source are you getting nodered ?
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893 [08:39:26] <tony__> hello
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895 [08:39:47] <tony__> how are you
896 [08:39:57] <iflema> yo ant...
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901 [08:41:41] <tony__> nihao
902 [08:42:13] <tony__> give me
903 [08:42:48] <iflema> negative
904 [08:43:03] <iflema> to who? :D
905 [08:43:09] <tony__> 看不懂
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993 [09:11:43] <pinkos> hi
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995 [09:11:56] <pinkos> is anyone running darktable on a ryzen 5
2400g cpu?
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999 [09:12:19] <pinkos> i am looking to build a system basically
for darktable, gimp, and a little shotwell
1000 [09:12:33] <pinkos> thats decent to start and upgradable
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when I connect on \\myserver\ I can auth using my activdirectory
login/password. Then it lists the available shares and when I try to
access it, it says access denied. But this morning it was fine...
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1015 [09:18:31] <darxmurf> it looks like the auth process is not
checking in the right place for AD group membership
1016 [09:18:39] <darxmurf> is there something I can force in the
configuration ?
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1071 [09:50:31] <sgautam> hello
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1074 [09:50:45] <sgautam> I installed Debian, but I chose Cinnamon
and now I want to change to XFCE
1075 [09:50:59] <sgautam> How do I install XFCE and uninstall
Cinnamon?
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1083 [09:54:48] <Voyager82> Hi. I've just updated my Debian
Linux installation to Stretch (AMD64). I need the
"libxft2:i386" to run Altera Modelsim, but doesn't
seem present in the reps. Can you help me?
1084 [09:55:21] <babilen> judd: v libxft2
1085 [09:55:22] <judd> Package: libxft2 on amd64 -- wheezy:
2.3.1-1; jessie: 2.3.2-1; stretch: 2.3.2-1+b2; buster: 2.3.2-2; sid:
2.3.2-2
1086 [09:55:31] <babilen> judd: v libxft2 --arch i386
1087 [09:55:32] <judd> Package: libxft2 on i386 -- wheezy:
2.3.1-1; jessie: 2.3.2-1; stretch: 2.3.2-1+b2; buster: 2.3.2-2; sid:
2.3.2-2
1088 [09:55:34] <themill> libxft2 exists, do you need to add i386
as an arch?
1089 [09:55:35] <babilen> Should be there
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1093 [09:56:16] <themill> !multiarch
1094 [09:56:16] <dpkg> Multiarch allows you to install foreign
architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be
installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386
&& apt-get update». See
replaced-url
1095 [09:56:17] <babilen> Voyager82: Which commands did you run
that convinced you that its not present? Could you paste them along
with the following?
1096 [09:56:25] <babilen> dpkg: bat
1097 [09:56:26] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with
apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information:
1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the
command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1
pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem,
and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use
replaced-url
1098 [09:56:50] <Voyager82> I'm trying to run the command
"apt-get install libxft2:i386". Altera Modelsim is 32-bit
software. I need it to run it, I think.
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1102 [09:58:29] <Voyager82>
replaced-url
1103 [09:58:45] <Voyager82> The output is in italian. It basically
says that the package does not exist.
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1113 [10:06:31] <babilen> Voyager82: Take a look at multiarch
(assuming you haven't configured that yet) and the other
commands mentioned in the <bat> factoid above. I'll be
back later
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1126 [10:15:21] <asterisco> hi! is possible merge more HD in only
one path in read-only mode?
1127 [10:15:54] <asterisco> i've 3 external hd /dev/media0
/dev/media1 and /dev/media2
1128 [10:16:14] <asterisco> i would put all files and path in
/dev/media
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1133 [10:19:22] <Voyager82> babilen, I've run "dpkg
--add-architecture i386", and then "apt-get update
&& apt-get install libxft2:i386", and it seems to be
downloading the package now. Were these the correct passages?
1134 [10:22:07] <Voyager82> Thank you. It seems to be working now.
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1141 [10:30:51] <xcm> asterisco: perhaps you're looking for
unionfs
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1197 [11:08:40] <BCMM> xcm: isn't overlayfs or aufs the
modern answer to that?
1198 [11:09:33] <BCMM> overlayfs having the advantage of actually
being mainlined
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1202 [11:10:20] <xcm> not sure. that might show how long it's
been since i last did this
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1205 [11:11:11] <BCMM> asterismo_l:
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1206 [11:12:22] <BCMM> xcm: as i understand it, unionfs is
obsolescent, overlayfs is in the mainline kernel, aufs doesn't
meet kernel standards on stuff like code readability but apparently
has some features overlayfs doesn't have
1207 [11:12:42] <BCMM> aufs and overlayfs should both perform much
better than unionfs
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1209 [11:13:15] <xcm> ah, right. it was unionfs-fuse i was trying
something out on
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1211 [11:13:50] <xcm> performance was a non issue so i didn't
look into it
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1217 [11:22:36] <shtrb> what module/approach I better use to put a
swap on a remote tmpfs ? (used on demand only and ONLY when
connected over LAN one pc have 4 GiB and a server can
"give" extra 8-16 GiB just for cache)
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1241 [11:33:29] <jelly> shtrb: whatever works for you, nbd, iscsi,
...
1242 [11:33:46] <shtrb> I'm asking what would be better
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1247 [11:35:35] <jelly> I'd use swap on zram first rather
than going over network
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1258 [11:40:21] <shtrb> Will zram actually give considerable
benifit (only 4G total ram)
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1262 [11:45:38] <jelly> if it's a workstation with a web
browser running, yes
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keyboard layout to korean. Typing still produces latin chars... Is
there a keycombo that activates hangul lock? I am looking for an
alternative to ibus.
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1347 [12:40:56] <cpd8> hello, I;m trying to install debian on a VM
but it is saying the current kernel doesn't support LVM
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1351 [12:45:31] <catz> I'm trying to install the latest
firefox in debian testing. On the mozilla.debian page they tell me
to add deb
replaced-url
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1355 [12:46:25] <themill> !tum
1356 [12:46:25] <dpkg> «echo 'APT::Default-Release
"testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf», edit
sources.list, copy your non-security testing lines and change one
set to unstable, then apt-get update. Use apt-get -t unstable
install foo; to install foo from unstable rather than testing as
usual. WARNING to SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release:
set Preferences->Distribution.
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1370 [12:50:04] <Eightynine> Hello. Is that possible to install
Debian with pagefile, not swap partition?
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1380 [12:52:40] <themill> Eightynine: You can certainly just skip
setting up a swap partition and make a swapfile later; I don't
recall if you can configure it in the installer
1381 [12:53:11] <michael2> anyone know how to install
`ldconfig' command on debian?
1382 [12:53:25] <RoyK> Eightynine: indeed, but if you'll need
to use the swap, keep in mind the pagefile is up to 50% slower
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1386 [12:53:46] <Eightynine> Will Debian work with Intel HD
graphics and Realtek Wi-Fi chip out of the box?
1387 [12:54:05] <RoyK> probably the wifi chip will need firmware
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1390 [12:54:32] <michael2> nvm ldconfig was installed - just not
on my $PATH..
1391 [12:55:30] <RoyK> ldconfig is with libc-bin, so yes, it
should be installed unless something is terribly wrong :)
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1395 [12:56:49] <Eightynine> When I tried to use Debian Gnome for
the first time it was laggy and graphics acceleration didn't
work. System worked in software rendering mode. It was Debian 7 or 8
(I don't remember exactly) and Gnome 3.8 How Gnome works these
days?
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1407 [13:03:16] <themill> RoyK: is that still true? I have a vague
memory that isn't the case since kernel 2.6ish
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1410 [13:05:26] <dosmanak> Hi, sorry for OT, but I am intrigued
with awk problem. AWK is stripping whitespace when using sub. Why?
1411 [13:05:28] <RoyK> themill: from dpkg -S: libc-bin:
/sbin/ldconfig
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1413 [13:05:34] <dosmanak> echo " starting with whitespace
field" |awk '{sub("field", "test",
$4)}{print $0}'
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1415 [13:05:47] <themill> RoyK: sorry, I meant about swapfiles,
not ldconfig
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1418 [13:06:49] <RoyK> themill: I did some testing a year back,
and it showed significantly slower swap on file than on partition -
I thought it should be about the same with O_DIRECT and all
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1420 [13:07:17] <themill> thanks
1421 [13:07:29] <Eightynine> Which kernel version installed by
default?
1422 [13:07:43] <themill> ,kernels --release stretch
1423 [13:07:44] <judd> Available kernel versions are: stretch:
4.9.0-6-686-pae (4.9.88-1+deb9u1)
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1425 [13:08:29] <Eightynine> Is that possible to install newer
kernel?
1426 [13:08:35] <RoyK> there are newer ones in backports, but
normally it wouldn't be needed
1427 [13:08:42] <RoyK> !backports
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1429 [13:08:42] <dpkg> A backport is a package from a newer Debian
branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency
and <ABI> complications.
replaced-url
1430 [13:08:57] <RoyK> ,kernels
1431 [13:08:58] <judd> Available kernel versions are:
experimental: 4.16.0-rc6-686 (4.16~rc6-1~exp1); sid: 4.16.0-2-686
(4.16.16-1); buster: 4.16.0-2-686 (4.16.12-1); stretch-backports:
4.16.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (4.16.12-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-6-686-pae
(4.9.88-1+deb9u1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.6-686-pae
(4.9.88-1+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-6-686-pae
(3.16.56-1+deb8u1); wheezy-backports:
1432 [13:08:59] <judd> 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae
(3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-6-686-pae (3.2.102-1)
1433 [13:09:17] <Eightynine> Always was wondering why Debian comes
with older packages. Stability?
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1435 [13:09:24] <RoyK> yes
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1438 [13:10:05] <RoyK> Eightynine: you can use Sid if you want to
live on the bleeding edge, though
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1442 [13:10:37] <Eightynine> Is that possible to add non-free
repositories without editing sources.list file? Can I select XFS
instead of EXT4 or it's not recommended?
1443 [13:10:39] <hop> my "persistent network interfaces
names" are in the wrong order, compared to what's printed
on the port. what's the canonical way to reorder them?
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1445 [13:11:15] <RoyK> Eightynine: add a file under
/etc/apt/sources.list.d/ with the repo
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1448 [13:12:08] <RoyK> Eightynine: personally, I use XFS for
everything that's big and ext4 for the root and similar.
RHEL/CentOS has, since v7, standardised on XFS
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1455 [13:13:09] <Eightynine> Is that correct to choose
"Automatic partitioning" or it's better to create
partitions manually?
1456 [13:13:32] <RoyK> that depends how well you know what
you're doing
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1461 [13:16:59] <Eightynine> By the way Debian site is not user
friendly. Needs some enhancements to make it easier to find ISOs to
download.
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1464 [13:18:09] <RoyK> Eightynine: erm - it's on the
frontpage
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1469 [13:19:55] <Eightynine> Yes, but there's netinstaller.
Can you please give me a link to torrent download? I need LiveCD
with Gnome.
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1472 [13:21:56] <Billy2> its on the front page..
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1474 [13:22:12] <Billy2> "CD/USB ISO Images"
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1485 [13:29:05] <BCMM> Eightynine: if you don't know what you
want wrt partitioning, automatic is for you :)
1486 [13:29:41] <BCMM> Eightynine: and there is a link that says
"Getting Debian" at the top of every page on the site
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1491 [13:30:56] <Eightynine> Which DE most people use here?
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1493 [13:32:54] <BCMM> Eightynine: personally, i use kde plasma 5.
no idea what the majority is.
1494 [13:32:57] <V7> RoyK: ?
1495 [13:33:25] <V7> Who's standardised ?!
1496 [13:34:50] <BCMM> Eightynine: for your live cd, click
"getting debian", then look to the right of the page
1497 [13:34:57] <BCMM> where it says "try debian live before
installing"
1498 [13:35:32] <BCMM> Eightynine: or just
replaced-url
1499 [13:35:34] <RoyK> V7: centos/rhel uses xfs by default now
1500 [13:36:10] <Eightynine> BCMM for some reason when I open
Discover it shows me network connection error in the beginning. I
don't like KDE. Those effects, blur, jumping cursor when
openning files, open with one click.
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1503 [13:36:54] <BCMM> i have no idea what jumping cursor when
opening files is, the rest can be turned off
1504 [13:37:13] <BCMM> (but i'm not aware of any blur effects
that are enabled by default anyway...)
1505 [13:37:25] <BCMM> oh except on the lockscreen i think?
1506 [13:37:58] <RoyK> both ext4 and xfs work well, but on large
filesystems, xfs is a lot better. It can grow over 16TiB without
issues and a check/repair doesn't take so long when it's
needed. With ext4 and a 20TiB filesystem, it may take several hours
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1508 [13:38:18] <Eightynine> BCMM if I remember correctly that
option is called "feedback". I said incorrect, it's
not jumping cursor it's jumping icon near cursor.
1509 [13:38:29] <BCMM> oh yeah that
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1511 [13:39:01] <BCMM> oh god does it really *still* bounce by
default? that used to be the first thing i turned off back in kde3
or something
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1515 [13:43:05] <Eightynine> BCMM I don't remember I'm
currently using Windows 10. Trying to switch to Linux because of
privacy concerns and because I'm tired of Windows 10.
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1521 [13:46:49] <kl4200> new stretch/gnome install. bareftp throws
exception "GLib.GException: Icon 'gtk-go-up' not
present in theme
1522 [13:46:49] <kl4200> " can someone direct me to the
proper place to report this?
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1525 [13:47:50] <Fox> kl4200: did you try #gnome ?
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1529 [13:49:02] <kl4200> no. that channel should be called
#useless
1530 [13:49:25] <Fox> ok :)
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1537 [13:52:36] <Fox> kl4200: what theme is it ? the default one ?
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1546 [13:56:58] <abrotman> how did you install bareftp?
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1548 [13:57:21] <abrotman> well, also, how did you install ghome
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1550 [13:57:25] <abrotman> gnome
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1572 [14:08:05] <Craig_> hi, in my debian 9 install, something has
changed SIGINT to CTRL-E rather than CTRL-C. i fixed it by putting
"stty intr ^C" into the bottom of my bashrc... but i have
no idea what caused it or how to fix the root issue.
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1574 [14:08:29] <Craig_> has something changed? it used to work
then stopped working at some point after some apt-get
upgrade's, but i cant remember which update or when
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1608 [14:28:19] <V7> BCMM: All of that stuff disables as peace of
cake
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1610 [14:28:34] <V7> s/peace/piece/
1611 [14:28:45] * V7 needs a sleep
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1694 [15:16:47] <hop> my "persistent network interfaces
names" are in the wrong order, compared to what's printed
on the port. what's the canonical way to reorder them?
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1715 [15:31:19] <simon22> Where should I set system wide env
variables?
1716 [15:31:23] <simon22> in this case the proxy
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1718 [15:33:11] <jelly> simon22: /etc/environment for users that
log in interactively and their shells
1719 [15:33:29] <jelly> man pam_env
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1724 [15:35:15] <hehsec> Who wants a good laugh?
1725 [15:35:24] <hehsec> This just popped up in my auth.log
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1727 [15:35:27] <hehsec> Jun 21 13:01:48 ubuntu sshd[9156]:
Connection closed by invalid user hacker 112.2.4.77 port 41497
[preauth]
1728 [15:35:33] <hehsec> >hacker
1729 [15:35:44] <hehsec> That gave me a good giggle
1730 [15:36:11] <greycat> you know what's not making me
giggle? "ubuntu"
1731 [15:36:17] <simon22> hm...
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1733 [15:36:25] * jelly points hehsec to #debian-offtopic
1734 [15:36:42] <simon22> hehsec: should you log that? what if
somebody accidentally puts their password in the username field?
1735 [15:36:45] <jelly> greycat: that just makes the giggle more
giggly
1736 [15:36:57] <simon22> I thought usernames aren't logged
by default if they are not valid local users...
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1738 [15:37:32] <hehsec> greycat: Hey, this machine runs debian
guests
1739 [15:37:35] <hehsec> :p
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1743 [15:39:10] <hehsec> Realistically I should switch it to being
a debian host
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1763 [15:53:46] <vandman> Hi my question is about mysql. I am
trying to create a new database in /data and start the service with
then new database.
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1765 [15:54:46] <vandman> I did : /usr/bin/mysql_install_db
--no-defaults --datadir=/data/csu/mysql/base --basedir=/usr
--user=mysql_csu --rpm
1766 [15:55:00] <vandman> It create the new database as requested.
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1768 [15:55:25] <vandman> When I try to start the service, It does
not work
1769 [15:55:55] <vandman> here is the init file:
replaced-url
1770 [15:56:12] <vandman> here is the my.cnf file:
replaced-url
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1774 [15:57:26] <vandman> why does the service not start?
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1782 [16:01:01] <hop> now i can ping the ip on an interface that
is "state DOWN" with no cable connected. what is this
madness?
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1784 [16:01:42] <dosmanak> vandman: Aren't you using systemd?
Is the init script really used?
1785 [16:01:50] <dgp> hop: from the same machine?
1786 [16:02:00] <vandman> on debian 8 yes
1787 [16:02:03] <hop> dgp: sure
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1789 [16:02:26] <hop> i'm not sure whether this was also the
case before i tried reordering the interface names
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1791 [16:02:53] <dgp> hop: my guess is if the ip address local to
the machine the kernel just replies and doesn't go any further
down to check if the interface is up etc
1792 [16:03:06] <hop> dgp: oh, that kind of same
1793 [16:03:11] <hop> dgp: no, over the network
1794 [16:03:27] <hop> dgp: two pings from the same but remote
machine
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1802 [16:05:23] <vandman> the systemd service call the init file
=> ExecStart=/etc/init.d/mysql start
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1809 [16:06:34] <hop> have i been completely misunderstanding
networking for the past 20 years?
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1811 [16:07:01] <AliceKelly> how so
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1813 [16:08:01] <hop> i can ping an ip on an interface that is
down on a port that has no cable plugged in
1814 [16:08:25] <AliceKelly> what ip ?
1815 [16:08:41] <jelly> hop: you might have a route to that ip via
some other, working interface
1816 [16:08:59] <hop> no ip forwarding, no iptables rules
whatsoever
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1818 [16:09:17] <hop> ip route output: 10.9.1.0/24 dev eno2 proto
kernel scope link src 10.9.1.200 linkdown
1819 [16:09:19] <AliceKelly> it was assigned an ip by something
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1822 [16:09:30] <hop> AliceKelly: of course. by me
1823 [16:09:42] <jelly> hop: show the full output of "ip
a" and "ip r" and your destinatipn ip in a pastebin
if you will
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1827 [16:09:59] <jelly> !paste
1828 [16:09:59] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this
channel. Instead, use:
replaced-url
1829 [16:10:00] <Eightynine> I downloaded Debian Gnome LiveCD,
formated my flash drive and burned ISO. Then I tried to boot it and
it booted successfuly. But when I tried to connect to Wi-Fi it kept
faing and hanging. I tried to connect my phone and it didn't
detect it. Then I tried to turn my PC off and it showed me "A
stop job is running". Now I can't turn my PC off.
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1831 [16:10:20] <hop> jelly: i'm on it, but it's not so
easy. kind of air gapped right now
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1833 [16:10:32] <bb36e> Eightynine: how long has it been waiting?
1834 [16:10:51] <jelly> hop: phone camera screen shot and upload
to an image share site, like imgur?
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1836 [16:11:03] <jelly> !firmware live
1837 [16:11:04] <dpkg> Unofficial <live> images - containing
non-free Debian <firmware> packages - for Debian 9
"Stretch" as a live OS are available at
replaced-url
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1840 [16:11:16] <AliceKelly> kill -9 -1 as su and ctrl alt del
1841 [16:11:18] <Eightynine> First it showed me 1.30 minutes and
then I saw 2/2 more than 4 minutes.
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1843 [16:11:41] <jelly> Eightynine: wireless cards usually require
firmware that is not present on Debian by default, see if unofficial
images with fw make things better
1844 [16:12:04] <jelly> Eightynine: you're on live, nothing
is writing to disk so just press the reset button
1845 [16:12:04] <AliceKelly> damn jelly, wish id known that a
month ago
1846 [16:12:32] <jelly> ... and then turn it off if that's
your goal
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1849 [16:12:55] <Eightynine> I thought about firmware but why did
it detect my Wi-Fi adapter out of the box but failed to connect?
1850 [16:12:55] <AliceKelly> what jelly said
1851 [16:12:57] <hop> jelly:
replaced-url
1852 [16:13:05] <hop> i'm pinging both ips in parallel
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1854 [16:13:25] <AliceKelly> Eightynine, mine does that oo.
1855 [16:13:29] <hop> cable in "eno1" (which should
really be eno2)
1856 [16:13:33] <jelly> hop: so you have two wired cards on the
same 10.9.1.0/24 network
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1858 [16:13:50] <AliceKelly> is because the firmware isnt included
unless you get the right iso
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1860 [16:14:05] <hop> jelly: one card, two ports, but no. how can
i have two cards on the same network if there is only one cable?
1861 [16:14:32] <jelly> hop: I don't know, YOU configured it
that way
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1863 [16:14:59] <Eightynine> Alice how does Debian work for you?
It worked fast first and then began to lag and hang.
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1868 [16:15:46] <AliceKelly> Eightynine, here are quirks but they
can be worked hrough fairly easily
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1870 [16:15:49] <hop> jelly: set me straight. i have configured an
ip address on a nic. maybe i shouldn't have, but there it is. i
have _no_ cable plugged into that nic. it is shown as down. how can
i ping from remote?
1871 [16:16:10] <AliceKelly> Eightynine, i changed my swappiness
to 80
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1873 [16:16:41] <vandman> can anybody help me (question above)?
1874 [16:16:48] <AliceKelly> Eightynine, but then im running a 1.6
ghz cpu and 1 gig ram so i expect a little slow
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1876 [16:17:15] <Eightynine> Second attempt to switch to Debian
failed for me.
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1878 [16:17:31] <hop> jelly: oh, also: if i plug the cable into
the other port, no ping
1879 [16:18:12] <AliceKelly> Eightynine, your using a live dvd
right
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1881 [16:18:48] <Eightynine> Yes, a flash drive.
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1883 [16:19:55] <jelly> hop: you can ping because the kernel
accepts packets for that destination IP, and eno1 is configured to
pass through traffic for that IP by default, and there's a way
to route traffic back as well
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1885 [16:20:26] <AliceKelly> Eightynine, i had huge issues with
live dvd boot too. i downloaded the net install of stretch (because
im a duface and didnt know there were unofficial iso's with the
firmware) but i insalled over a cable then added the firmware
1886 [16:20:29] <hop> jelly: ok. how is eno1 configured to pass
through traffic?
1887 [16:20:34] <jelly> hop: you might as well have no eno0 at all
and have the IP configured on lo (loopback) device, it would still
work
1888 [16:20:43] <hop> jelly: i have no eno0
1889 [16:20:50] <Chris_A> Hi. I installed Debian 9 and was
wondering what is the best way to allow a domain admins to mount.
would using sudo be the best way?
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1891 [16:21:01] <AliceKelly> Eightynine, you cant add the firmware
to the live versions. soon as you reboot its erased
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1893 [16:21:05] <jelly> sorry, you might have no eno2 at all
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1895 [16:21:15] <hop> jelly: ok.
1896 [16:21:34] <jelly> hop: Linux kernel by default accepts
traffic for ANY of its IP addresses on ANY of its interfaces
1897 [16:21:51] <hop> that is new to me
1898 [16:21:59] <dutchfish> vandman, this procedure would work in
Debian too
replaced-url
1899 [16:22:09] <dutchfish> vandman, mind the systemd phrases
1900 [16:22:10] <Eightynine> Why did it detect but couldn't
connect?
1901 [16:22:40] <AliceKelly> Eightynine, because the driver is in
the kernel, but the firmware isnt
1902 [16:22:47] <dutchfish> vandman, default path's may
differ
1903 [16:23:23] <AliceKelly> Eightynine, if you do a real install
and pop back here ill help you install the firmware
1904 [16:23:37] <AliceKelly> its real easy
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1906 [16:23:58] <dutchfish> vandman, and datadir is all that is
needed to be changed in my.cnf
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1909 [16:24:11] <Eightynine> Now it's clear. And why does
Gnome keep freezing?
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1911 [16:24:52] <jelly> hop: in any case, you have two routes for
10.9.1.0/24 so there's a way for the traffic to go back
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1913 [16:25:18] <AliceKelly> i don like gnome so havent used it.
but theres a dozzen reasons like wrong video driver and using 3d
1914 [16:25:18] <hop> jelly: but why is it not symmetrical?
1915 [16:26:02] <AliceKelly> on my system all x freezes untill i
install the ati firmware
1916 [16:26:08] <jelly> hop: what is not symmetrical?
1917 [16:26:20] <hop> jelly: if i switch the cable to the other
port, no ping
1918 [16:26:36] <jelly> hop: I don't know, what are you
really trying to achieve?
1919 [16:27:12] <hop> jelly: haha. what i _really_ am trying to
achieve is to reorder the device names, because they don't
match what's printed on the card
1920 [16:27:36] <hop> jelly: hours later am just reduced to trying
to understand what's happening
1921 [16:27:56] <AliceKelly> Eightynine, basically yoou get your
install to hard drive done. then a few commands and wham up n
running
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1923 [16:28:06] <greycat> Turn off "predictable interface
names". Let it go back to legacy eth1 eth2 etc. Then edit the
file in /etc/udev/whatever to change the names to what you want.
Done.
1924 [16:28:08] <vandman> What is difficult in my case is that I
need to put everything in /data. my.cnf is in /data/csu/mysql/param.
the user that owns /data/csu/mysql is not mysql but mysql_csu.
1925 [16:28:33] <Eightynine> Alice do you use KDE?
1926 [16:28:40] <dutchfish> vandman, no, my.cnf lives in /etc/...
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1929 [16:29:01] <AliceKelly> Eightynine, im using xcfe. its
lighter on my old video card
1930 [16:29:33] <AliceKelly> Eightynine, but still feature ritch
1931 [16:29:48] <dutchfish> vandman, you could change settings in
systemd, but i would not recommend that
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1933 [16:30:08] <dutchfish> (for mysql service)
1934 [16:30:09] <AliceKelly> Eightynine, plasma kde gnome some
others really hammered my system
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1936 [16:30:42] <vandman> <dutchfish> vandman, you could
change settings in systemd, but i would not recommend that? what do
you mean?
1937 [16:31:18] <dutchfish> vandman, well, since systemd controls
the mysql service (start, stop and runtime behaviour)
1938 [16:31:21] <AliceKelly> Eightynine, i highly recomend the net
install iso
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1940 [16:31:55] <dutchfish> vandman, are we talking Debian stable?
1941 [16:32:06] <vandman> Debian 8
1942 [16:32:21] <dutchfish> vandman, then yes
1943 [16:32:32] <Eightynine> I have firmware on my second flash
drive but Gnome Software can't install it.
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1945 [16:33:08] <AliceKelly> Eightynine, you need to do it from
apt
1946 [16:33:28] <dutchfish> vandman, there is a good reason
(security) why all the service configuration is done in /etc
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1948 [16:34:35] <Eightynine> What is recommended software to
create bootable flash drive under Windows?
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1950 [16:35:10] <dutchfish> vandman, from a users perspective i
can understand (backup) why you want the data to live in a chosen
dir.
1951 [16:35:16] <AliceKelly> wintousb or rufus
1952 [16:35:26] <bb36e> Rufus works for me
1953 [16:35:37] <dutchfish> vandman, but dont do that for service
config
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1956 [16:36:32] <vandman> I have already added a service called
csu-mysql.service like this:
replaced-url
1957 [16:37:04] <AliceKelly> Eightynine, i would do dmesg | less
and find the line where the firmware fails to load so you know which
one you need
1958 [16:37:18] <Eightynine> Thank you. I used Image Writer this
time it failed first and then I clicked Erase and then Write and it
wrote files on that drive. Maybe I shouldn't do that.
1959 [16:37:40] <hop> jelly: i somehow still don't believe
your explanation. same phenomenon with two different subnets. one of
which has _no_ route whatsoever
1960 [16:39:22] <dutchfish> vandman, i am not sure, but that
doesnt state were your mysql service starts looking for its config
files
1961 [16:39:27] <AliceKelly> after that you edit your
/etc/apt/sources.list adding contrib non free on the firs tline and
save. then apt-get update and apt-get install myfirmwarename
1962 [16:39:31] <vandman> I need to be able to use multiple mysql
on the same server (with defferent port and service and conf)
1963 [16:39:47] <vandman> It is a way to isolate each mysql.
1964 [16:40:42] <dutchfish> vandman, i understand, but consider
/etc still as your config path (for security reasons) for all the
instances you want.
1965 [16:40:42] <AliceKelly> Eightynine, then reboot and the
system does the rest
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1969 [16:41:22] <AliceKelly> greycat, see i know how to do at
least one thing semi right
1970 [16:41:43] <vandman> I can, my work want separated context
for each mysql
1971 [16:41:51] <Eightynine> Booted to Windows again to rewrite
flash drive using Rufus.
1972 [16:41:52] <dutchfish> vandman, fair enough
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1976 [16:42:44] <dutchfish> vandman, you have to create your own
(multiple systemd stansas), there is no harm in that
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1979 [16:43:22] <AliceKelly> Eightynine, heres instrucions on how
to get your firmware
1980 [16:43:27] <AliceKelly> <Eightynine> Booted to Windows
again to rewrite flash drive using Rufus.
1981 [16:43:49] <dutchfish> vandman, tip: /usr/sbin/mysqld --help
--verbose
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1984 [16:44:54] <dutchfish> vandman, there (at the top of my head)
4 things you have to take care of; config path is one of them.
1985 [16:45:17] <vandman> I think I have done that already.
created a modified mysql init, mysql.service, debian-start,
debian.cnf, my.cnf
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1987 [16:46:19] <dutchfish> vandman, ok, then you startup logs
will scream some things you have missed (also carefully look at
typos)
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1990 [16:47:03] <dutchfish> vandman, file rights are also a common
culprit
1991 [16:47:37] <hop> disabled predictable device names
completely, now it gets even better: the order is correct
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1993 [16:47:50] <hop> i really, really try to work with systemd
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1996 [16:47:58] <hop> doesn't make it easy
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1999 [16:49:49] <dutchfish> vandman, but i cant stress enough to
let all your config live in /etc; think about the next update
.......
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2001 [16:50:17] <greycat> hop: the order is chosen one time at
random, and it *happened* to be "correct" because the coin
landed Heads. So you got lucky and didn't have to edit the file
to swap them.
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2003 [16:50:31] <greycat> hop: but now that it's been chosen,
it'll stay that way, because it's recorded in that file.
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2005 [16:51:28] <hop> greycat: no, i know. i tried to convey the
irony that "trying to do the right thing" is a futile
exercise and only boud to annoy the pig
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2007 [16:51:58] <vandman> logs are
replaced-url
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2010 [16:52:15] <greycat> The right thing would have been not to
write "1" and "2" on the hardware until after
they'd been assigned.
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2012 [16:52:26] <Eightynine> dmesg: read kernel buffer failed.
Operation not mermitted
2013 [16:52:28] <hop> greycat: it is stamped in the metal
2014 [16:52:32] <Eightynine> permitted
2015 [16:52:46] <hop> greycat: also, isn't it supposed to get
the right values from the firmware?
2016 [16:53:44] <Eightynine> Direct firmware load failed with
error -2
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2019 [16:53:56] <dutchfish> vandman, i suspect it could be
refusing to use my.cnf on that location ... (not sure)
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2022 [16:54:49] <dutchfish> vandman, you can extend verbosity for
the logging to let it blurb out more
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2024 [16:55:09] <dutchfish> (debug mode)
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2032 [16:57:42] <dutchfish> vandman,
replaced-url
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2036 [16:59:57] <vandman> When I run the command manually, i get:
mysqld_safe mysqld from pid file /data/csu/mysql/tmp/mysql.pid ended
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2039 [17:00:28] <dutchfish> vandman,
replaced-url
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2042 [17:01:38] <dutchfish> vandman, and check it with mysqld
--no-defaults (then it skips my.cnf)
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2045 [17:02:32] <dutchfish> see my former link
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2050 [17:04:44] <dutchfish> vandman, also be aware of stale
pid's
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2058 [17:09:50] <vandman> here (replaced-url
2059 [17:10:01] <vandman> Everything looks good?
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2061 [17:10:51] <dutchfish> vandman, read line 4 and the lines
after
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2063 [17:11:52] <dutchfish> vandman, because you changed the user
of of that service, it is no longer able to acces that dir
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2067 [17:12:33] <vandman> how can I create that dir in data?
2068 [17:13:02] <dutchfish> vandman, there is a much better
solution to your problem, run each instance in a separate vm (i know
this comes at a resource cost)
2069 [17:13:24] <dutchfish> vandman, you can, but you shouldnt
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2076 [17:15:11] <dutchfish> vandman, either use the default user
for all your instances (the default one preferable) and do security
at the access level or do process separation by separate vm's
(that is my humble opinion)
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2079 [17:16:14] <dutchfish> vandman, after all, mysql has a
finegrained acces level control on its own
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2084 [17:17:05] <dutchfish> vandman, also think maintainability,
like backup and updates
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2091 [17:18:08] <dutchfish> vandman, good luck
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2109 [17:31:39] <hop> in summary: spirit crushed, questions
unanswered, systemd disabled, time wasted
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2111 [17:31:49] <hop> thanks to all who tried to help, anyway!
2112 [17:32:00] * greycat confused
2113 [17:32:15] <hop> greycat: how so?
2114 [17:32:25] <greycat> I thought you solved the issue by
disabling predictable interface names.
2115 [17:32:27] <dutchfish> vandman, if you are still on this path
please read this
replaced-url
2116 [17:32:54] <hop> greycat: 'xactly. which was not the
goal.
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2142 [17:48:57] <vandman> <dutchfish> I have done all the
things on the multiple-servers.html
2143 [17:49:10] <vandman> now I have different error:
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2145 [17:49:55] <vandman> [ERROR] Can't find messagefile
'/usr/share/mysql/english/errmsg.sys'
2146 [17:50:16] <vandman> This file exist and is readable by
everybody
2147 [17:50:27] <dutchfish> vandman, that could be a locale
problem
2148 [17:50:28] <greycat> chrooted?
2149 [17:51:36] <vandman> yes
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2239 [18:39:49] <Psi-Jack> What -O level are most Debian apps
compiled with, officially?
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2246 [18:46:33] <jelly> that really depends on the compiler used
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2250 [18:48:31] <dutchfish> Psi-Jack, because all the options, you
can look it up in the respective build logs of each package to get
an idea.
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2253 [18:49:45] <jelly> Psi-Jack: that said, if no customization
is applied anywhere, if the source is C, if gcc is used, you're
going to end up with -O2 by default
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2255 [18:50:02] <jelly> that's what dpkg-buildflags(1) says
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2266 [18:53:16] <Psi-Jack> Ok
2267 [18:53:20] <Psi-Jack> Thanks
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2308 [19:11:06] <Eightynine> I started Debian graphics installer
and it stuck at detecting network card.
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2310 [19:11:54] <somiaj> Eightynine: Just to double check some
things, what debian installer image are you using and how did you
copy this to a usb I'm assuming.
2311 [19:12:03] <somiaj> and is this a wifi device or wired device
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2322 [19:15:56] <jfloren> debconf question: is there a way to
access files within the package while the 'config' script
is running?
2323 [19:16:30] <somiaj> this sounds like an XY problem, what is
your actual goal?
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2325 [19:16:46] <Eightynine> First I downloaded Debian LiveUSB
with Gnome and burned it to a flash drive using Rosa Image Writer.
LiveCD worked bad, couldn't connect to Wi-Fi and kept freezing.
Then I cleaned my flash drive and wrote the same ISO using Rufus
this time. Still couldnt't connect but now without freezes. I
connected my cable and tried to install Debian using graphics
installer and it stuck on detecting network card.
2326 [19:17:00] <jfloren> somiaj: display the contents of a
license file during the config stage
2327 [19:17:14] <somiaj> Eightynine: that is most likely your
issue to start wiht. The debian images do not play nicely with any
image writter software
2328 [19:17:20] <somiaj> Eightynine: what os are you making the
live image from?
2329 [19:17:51] <Eightynine> Windows 10. What should I do?
2330 [19:18:02] <somiaj> jfloren: once it is unpacked, check
/usr/share/doc/packagename/copyright
2331 [19:18:10] <somiaj> !win32diskimager
2332 [19:18:11] <dpkg> win32diskimager is much more reliable than
<unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can
download it from
replaced-url
2333 [19:18:37] <jfloren> somiaj: that's file won't be
there until after the 'config' script runs, right?
2334 [19:18:42] <somiaj> Eightynine: ^^ -- the debian images are
already bootable and don't need any help. Often times image
writers will managle the usb images and make them break in strange
ways
2335 [19:18:47] <somiaj> Eightynine: also is this wifi or wired
network.
2336 [19:19:03] <somiaj> jfloren: I thought it was put there
during the unpacking, which is before the config stage, not positive
though.
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2338 [19:19:17] <jfloren> I guess I'll just try it and see
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2340 [19:19:59] <Eightynine> I tried Wi-Fi first and then cable. I
told already.
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2342 [19:20:40] <somiaj> Eightynine: most wifi requires non-free
firmware, if using a net install, there are unoffical images that
contain the non-free firmware
2343 [19:20:43] <somiaj> !firmware images
2344 [19:20:44] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD
installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are
available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See
replaced-url
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2347 [19:21:20] <Eightynine> I've read somewhere that Rufus
breaks ISOs when writing. Is there manual on Debian site about
making bootable flash? I didn't found it.
2348 [19:21:53] <greycat> !install guide
2349 [19:21:53] <dpkg> stretch installation guide is, like, The
Installation Guide for Debian 9 "Stretch" can be found at
replaced-url
2350 [19:22:17] <somiaj> Eightynine: the install guide as greycat
linked as all this info.
2351 [19:22:20] <greycat> Installation media chapter:
replaced-url
2352 [19:22:49] <greycat> which then links to chapter 4, etc.
2353 [19:22:51] <somiaj> though from windows the suggested
software is win32diskimager, that seems to make a direct copy and
not do some funky modifications to the image to make it bootable.
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2355 [19:24:40] <Eightynine> Thank you. I will try that.
2356 [19:25:00] <somiaj> and if using wifi the firmware images can
help
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2367 [19:30:35] <Eightynine> Will it clean my flash drive before
writing ISO?
2368 [19:30:57] <greycat> It will overwrite everything.
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2371 [19:35:43] <Eightynine> Thank you for helping me guys.
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2375 [19:38:27] <Eightynine> Select "All files in one
partition"?
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2377 [19:39:19] <greycat> Do whatever the install guide says to do
on Windows, because none of us uses Windows or knows anything about
it.
2378 [19:39:56] <somiaj> that sounds like the guided partition
step of the debian installer. I prefer to have a sperate /home, but
that is suggetsted as easiest for new users
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2380 [19:42:31] <greycat> Oh, he's asking about partitioning
during the install? I do manual partitioning, always.
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2386 [19:45:11] <Eightynine> Yes greycat. Which partitions should
I create?
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2394 [19:48:05] <FightingFalcon> is there a command which lists
the packages that YOU install manually?
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2396 [19:52:01] <greycat> at some point I should learn how to use
the aptitude search options, but the fact that they're not only
not in the man page, but not even INSTALLED (apt-doc is a separate
package) is a huge hurdle for lazy cats
2397 [19:52:28] <somiaj> I always use the web to search them
2398 [19:52:30] <FightingFalcon> Are you talking to me?
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2400 [19:52:42] <greycat> Not directly to you, but talking about
your question.
2401 [19:52:52] <somiaj> FightingFalcon: greycat is talking about
this
replaced-url
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2403 [19:53:34] <FightingFalcon> you dont call me lazy a cat ok?
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2405 [19:53:48] <greycat> If I were talking about you, I would
have said lazy falcon.
2406 [19:54:03] <FightingFalcon> you are an asshole, you know
2407 [19:54:10] <somiaj> so aptitude search ~M shows automatic
installed, so maybe aptitude search '~i!M' is what you
want
2408 [19:54:14] <greycat> I was talking about myself, you idiot.
2409 [19:54:19] <greycat> "cat"
2410 [19:54:23] <FightingFalcon> shut up, you are ignored now
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2500 [20:45:27] <Eightynine> My suggestions on how to make Debian
better: serious installer speed up. When installing with native
languages install only native language and English. An option to
toggle "Enable/Disable non-free". Some beautiful walpaper
pack (nature, animals, cities). If firmwares are not installed and
when user tries to connect to Wi-Fi throw a message: "Unabl
2501 [20:45:28] <Eightynine> e to connect network. This requires
firmware which is not installed or broken. Do you want to install
it?" Currently there's no such message. It just fails to
connect without any reasons.
2502 [20:46:25] <greycat> It shouldn't offer to install the
firmware because it won't be able to do that.
2503 [20:46:34] <greycat> Providing more information, though,
that's fine.
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2507 [20:48:46] <imMute> so dpkg-shlibdeps is used as part of the
debhelper build system, but when checking my own shared library
it's throwing warnings about symbols from other libraries that
mine uses, saying "found in none of the libraries". why is
it throwing that warning?
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2509 [20:49:37] <no_gravity> How do I know if my CPUs are running
at full speed or if the lowered the clockrate because they are
getting to hot?
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2511 [20:50:27] <Eightynine> For some reason when I tried to
update packages it locked DB. I have to type "dpkg --configure
-a"
2512 [20:50:50] <greycat> Sounds like a testing/unstable thing.
2513 [20:51:07] <Eightynine> That's strange. I'm using
stable.
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2516 [20:53:30] <plasmoduck> For some reason my .service file wont
work
2517 [20:54:01] <plasmoduck> its not running the script on boot
2518 [20:54:05] <plasmoduck> here is the .service file
2519 [20:54:36] <plasmoduck>
replaced-url
2520 [20:54:56] <plasmoduck> it's supposed to call the script
2521 [20:55:14] <plasmoduck>
replaced-url
2522 [20:55:57] <bites> systemctl enable is not meant to be in the
unit file.
2523 [20:56:14] <bites> you create the file, then run systemctl
enable <name of unit>
2524 [20:56:21] <plasmoduck> Okay ill take that out
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2526 [20:56:52] <bites> after you modify the unit run systemctl
daemon-reload
2527 [20:56:55] <jim> Eightynine, did dpkg --configure -a do
anything?
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2530 [20:58:06] <Eightynine> jim Yes. It helped.
2531 [20:58:07] <bites> plasmoduck: also the type should be
oneshot if that script is meant to run once and return.
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2533 [20:59:00] <bites> plasmoduck: and without the Restart=
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2536 [21:00:38] <Eightynine> Can I install Telegram?
2537 [21:01:18] <jim> Eightynine, ok, in that case, it configured
some packages that weren't configured yet (did you know, that
installing a debian package has two phases, "unpacking"
and "configuring"?)
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2542 [21:03:15] <Eightynine> Yes, always noticed it in Ubuntu,
which is Debian based as you know.
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2587 [21:21:41] <Eightynine> Which VPN addon for Firefox should I
install?
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2609 [21:30:55] <nejeeeee> what is minissdpd? I installed upgrades
and the configuration showed up
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2666 [21:54:34] <Eightynine> How can I create text file?
2667 [21:55:07] <greycat> Usually with a text editor.
2668 [21:55:15] <greycat> nano, if you don't know any others
2669 [21:56:17] <Eightynine> I tried to create 20-intel.conf
neither gedit nor nano couldn't save it though I opened them
from su.
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2671 [21:56:38] <greycat> gedit is graphical, right? That makes it
completely useless. Pretend it never existed.
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2673 [21:57:05] <greycat> If you run "su" in a terminal,
and supply the password, then your shell prompt changes to end with
"# " as a reminder that you are now root IN THAT TERMINAL
only. You can use nano in that terminal, and it will run with root
(UID 0) privs.
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2736 [22:31:53] <Eightynine> I tried to create 20-intel.conf to
enable graphics acceleration and after creating it Gnome crashed and
now fails to start. Even deleting file didn't help. How to fix
that?
2737 [22:32:03] <mnuhmnuh> looks to me Eightynin... su'd to
root, then used gedit and nano to create 20-intel.conf, and
couldn't figure out how to save the file. sad.
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2739 [22:32:52] <Eightynine> I created it on desktop and copied it
to xorg.conf.d
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2742 [22:33:16] <greycat> I guess that works if you can't
manage to learn nano.
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2744 [22:33:45] <Eightynine> nano always worked for me but not in
this case.
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2746 [22:34:11] <greycat> Now the real questions: what video
chipset do you have, did you install the non-free firmware for it,
what problem are you trying to solve, what did you put into this
xorg.conf.d/ file, and why did you believe this would solve your
problem?
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2749 [22:35:45] <Eightynine> Intel HD530. I have Intel965 and
xorg-intel driver. Trying to enable TearFree option.
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2752 [22:36:41] <greycat> xorg-intel??
2753 [22:37:08] <greycat> what do you get from (as root): dmesg |
grep -i firmware
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2758 [22:38:13] <greycat> Two google results for HD530 both say
this is a Skylake thing, so you should be installing the non-free
firmware and using the default KMS driver.
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2762 [22:38:58] <greycat> Package firmware-misc-nonfree and you
might as well throw in intel-microcode while you're at it.
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2766 [22:39:40] <somiaj> and if by xorg-intel you mean
xserver-xorg-video-intel, you don't want that package, most
likely you want the modesetting driver (which is default in xorg and
not a seperate package)
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2771 [22:39:59] <greycat> KMS = Kernel Mode Setting driver, the
default for intel chipsets of this era
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2773 [22:40:26] <somiaj> wasn't sure if greycat meant the
i915 kms driver of the xorg modesetting video driver.
2774 [22:40:39] <somiaj> well i915 module
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2776 [22:41:12] <greycat> If it's really a skylake, then
definitely you want the xorg log to say "modeset(0)" a
lot.
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2780 [22:43:13] <Eightynine> Greycat again you helped me. i915
firmware is not installed.
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2784 [22:45:36] <Eightynine> intel-microcode failed to install
because of broken dependancies.
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2786 [22:46:18] <greycat> ... I won't even ask.
2787 [22:46:30] <greycat> !frankendebian
2788 [22:46:31] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random
repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and
derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone
can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and
#debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about
<reinstall>
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2795 [22:49:19] <Eightynine> Why reinstall? This is fresh Debian
Gnome installation.
2796 [22:49:33] <annadane> !bat
2797 [22:49:33] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with
apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information:
1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the
command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1
pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem,
and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use
replaced-url
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2799 [22:50:44] <greycat> intel-microcode only has ONE depends
(iucode-tool), and that only has ONE depends (libc6 >= 2.14)
2800 [22:50:59] <annadane> oh.
2801 [22:51:01] <greycat> It's hard to imagine how you could
screw this up unless you mixed testing/non-Debian sources at some
point.
2802 [22:51:05] <annadane> =/
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2804 [22:52:04] <Eightynine> I have only nonfree enabled. No
testing/unstable/sid
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2806 [22:52:22] <greycat> You forgot contrib?
2807 [22:52:26] <greycat> Maybe it's a simple fix, then....
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2809 [22:52:43] <crash_> intel-microcode on stable should have no
broken dependecies
2810 [22:52:47] <Eightynine> Yes greycat. Is that a cause?
2811 [22:52:54] <greycat> iucode-tool is in contrib
2812 [22:53:01] <greycat> You ALWAYS have to enable contrib if you
enable nonfree.
2813 [22:53:39] <Eightynine> I simply typed add-apt-repository
nonfree
2814 [22:53:47] <greycat> ... da FUCK is this
2815 [22:53:56] <greycat> Is this an ubuntu thing or something? :(
2816 [22:54:16] <crash_> just add main non-free contrib in your
sources.list
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2818 [22:54:37] <greycat> OK, first of all it's actually
spelled "non-free". Or rather "contrib non-free"
because you never use the latter without the former.
2819 [22:55:00] <greycat> Second of all, what crash_ said. You
edit sources.list and put words on lines and save it. I've
never even HEARD of this apt-add-whatever command.
2820 [22:55:00] <Eightynine> I found that command on one site.
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2822 [22:55:28] <greycat> deb
replaced-url
2823 [22:55:30] <greycat> and so on
2824 [22:55:31] <crash_> Eightynine:
replaced-url
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2828 [22:59:13] <Eightynine> Greycat you rock! And now reboot?
2829 [22:59:29] <greycat> Remove whatever you did in xorg.conf.d
and then reboot.
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2836 [23:02:23] <mnuhmnuh> i wouldn't. i'd apt-get
update and apt-get install mode-setting-driver (?) and yada yada
whatever else, then restart ...
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2838 [23:03:02] <greycat> I'm hoping he didn't actually
remove the default drivers, and than undoing his changes in
xorg.conf.d will let X use them.
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2843 [23:04:22] <mnuhmnuh> gotta be tough being a kid these days,
dumped into linux not even knowing "cat > file".
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2858 [23:10:12] <crash_> greycat: yeah that would not be fun, but
modesetting is included in Xorg so maybe he/she have not removed
anything in /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers :)
2859 [23:10:27] <greycat> I guess we'll find out
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2861 [23:10:54] <crash_> indeed
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2865 [23:12:44] <mnuhmnuh> h/she did say "fresh Debian Gnome
install", so not frankendebian at least.
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2868 [23:14:34] <crash_> :)
2869 [23:15:05] <somiaj> well they could have told xorg to use the
intel driver (xserver-xorg-video-intel) or ran that outdated xconfig
script which would do such a silly thing
2870 [23:15:15] <somiaj> I doubt xorg would pick the intel driver
over modesetting
2871 [23:15:29] <somiaj> but now it is just guessing
2872 [23:15:52] <crash_> modesetting is preferred over intel these
days unless you have specified anything in xorg.conf.d
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2878 [23:20:05] <Eightynine> Thank you very much guys for helping
me. I fixed my system succesfully.
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2880 [23:21:50] <jgkamat> :D
2881 [23:21:54] <mnuhmnuh> Eightynine: apt-get install
debian-reference
2882 [23:21:56] <jgkamat> (even though I didn't help at all)
2883 [23:22:13] <Eightynine> Greycat helped me the most.
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2885 [23:23:05] <crash_> Eightynine: nice to see that you got it
fixed in the end
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2900 [23:32:50] <Eightynine> Now graphics card works correctly.
But Wi-Fi still couldn't be connected though firmware is
loaded.
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2902 [23:33:57] <crash_> wha t
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2904 [23:34:02] <crash_> does it say?
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2911 [23:36:05] <Eightynine> It tries to connect network and then
cancels connection without saying something.
2912 [23:36:54] <mnuhmnuh> Eightynine: send your
/etc/network/interfaces to paste.debian.net. are you using nm-applet
in gnome? the latter ignores the former if it does anything.
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2914 [23:37:34] <mnuhmnuh> ignores the interface
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2919 [23:41:02] <Eightynine> I'm writing from phone. I
checked that file. There's "auto lo iface lo inet
loopback"
2920 [23:41:16] <crash_> Eightynine: try to add
2921 [23:41:39] <crash_> [device]
2922 [23:41:39] <crash_> wifi.scan-rand-mac-address=no
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2924 [23:41:49] <crash_> in NetworkManager.conf
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2926 [23:42:09] <Eightynine> Applet is not visible until I'm
trying to connect using Settings - Network.
2927 [23:43:58] <Eightynine> " <crash_> in
NetworkManager.conf" where is that file?
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2930 [23:47:37] <crash_> Eightynine:
/etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf
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2932 [23:48:22] <Eightynine> Thank you. I will check tomorrow.
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2934 [23:50:23] <crash_> :)
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