• 0[00:00:02] <Randolf> Oh.
• 1[00:00:31] <Randolf> I'm at the Debian installer main menu. I'll load those now.
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• 3[00:01:12] <sponix2ipfw> Randolf: look in /sbin and /bin the default root path may not include them now
• 4[00:01:30] <tor1panhuxyz> try to jump straight to disks step, no need to use cli
• 5[00:01:31] <Randolf> It doesn't.
• 6[00:02:05] <Randolf> I've got partitioning options. Normally I've been using "Guided - use entire disk and set up LVM" but I suspect you'll want me to go "Manual" this time?
• 7[00:02:27] <tor1panhuxyz> yes
• 8[00:02:41] <tor1panhuxyz> guided never create nee table i think
• 9[00:02:48] <tor1panhuxyz> new*
• 10[00:03:07] <Randolf> So there are a few LVM entries, then RAIDmd126 that has 3 partitions. The next one (which is last) is the USB memory stick I just booted from.
• 11[00:03:14] <Randolf> #1 is EFI SYstem P
• 12[00:03:17] <Randolf> #2 is ext2
• 13[00:03:25] <Randolf> #3 is lvm
• 14[00:04:02] <tor1panhuxyz> the entire disk, not partitions
• 15[00:04:15] <Randolf> For that RAIDmd126 device, there's a note of #(auto-read-only) on that line.
• 16[00:04:46] <Randolf> So, back to guided partitioning then?
• 17[00:07:06] <tor1panhuxyz> theres no choice to create new table? cant move focus to the disk indtead of partition?
• 18[00:07:36] <Randolf> New table? I don't see any such option.
• 19[00:07:42] <tor1panhuxyz> if you using raid, i have no experience on installing on raid
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• 21[00:08:18] <Randolf> I don't need RAID. It's off in the BIOS, but Debian's installer seems to put it in there automatically for me anyway.
• 22[00:08:19] <tomreyn> i don't think there's an option to create partition tables on the installer, you'd need to do this from a shell
• 23[00:08:37] <Randolf> I'm using AHCI in the BIOS (the other options are two types of RAID, which are software RAID so I don't want to use them anyway).
• 24[00:09:06] <tomreyn> sounds right to me
• 25[00:09:26] <tomreyn> it must have detected a previously configured raid, and automatically assembled it
• 26[00:09:50] <tomreyn> you'd want to undo this first before creatnig a new partition table.
• 27[00:10:21] <Randolf> Oh. That's certainly a possibility if the installer (I have others who assemble equipment for me) set up a mirror.
• 28[00:10:43] <Randolf> Okay. So, I wonder how I can do this.
• 29[00:11:11] <tomreyn> the debian installer doesn't automatically create software raids, you or someone else would have configured it previously.
• 30[00:11:34] <Randolf> Okay. That must be what happened.
• 31[00:11:57] <Randolf> I just tried deleting the RAID stuff through the installer's "Configure software RAID" menu, but they failed.
• 32[00:11:59] <tomreyn> mdadm --stop /dev/md126
• 33[00:12:43] <tomreyn> the device path may differ, e.g. could be /dev/md/126 instead
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• 40[00:16:22] <Randolf> /dev/md126 is correct. It's telling me that mdadm can't get exclusive access. When I use mount or df, I don't see md126 in there anywhere though.
• 41[00:17:12] <Randolf> umount can't unmount /dev/md126 or /dev/md127 either -- Invalid argument.
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• 43[00:17:50] <tomreyn> so there's not immediately a file system on top but something else that's active
• 44[00:18:06] <tor1panhuxyz> can you move your focus to your device instead of your partitions?
• 45[00:18:08] <tomreyn> could be lvm
• 46[00:18:12] <integfred> Hi, when apt looks for dependencies when installing a package, does it do it recursively? I'm looking at the information in Packages.gz, to give an example: The package evince has a direct dependency on libgtk-3-0, which in-turn has a direct dependency on adwaita-icon-theme. Would adwaita-icon-theme get installed or not ( see: replaced-url
• 47[00:19:00] <Randolf> There's no data on this system yet. Blowing everything away would be fine.
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• 49[00:20:15] <tomreyn> you could just ignore the installer's state and just write a blank partition table. how many storages are connected anyways?
• 50[00:20:54] <Randolf> Two 6 TB hard drives. That's it. (There's also the USB memory stick I booted from, but that's only temporary, obviously.)
• 51[00:21:02] <tomreyn> integfred: yes it would, apt resolves dependencies recursively
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• 53[00:21:41] <integfred> tomreyn: ok thanks
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• 55[00:21:56] <tomreyn> Randolf: so none other than that is listed by e.g. fdisk -l ?
• 56[00:22:31] <tor1panhuxyz> oh you are seeing one device insteaf of two disks in thr installer?
• 57[00:22:33] <Randolf> There is no "fdisk" available through the installer's shell.
• 58[00:22:51] <Randolf> It's showing up as RAID. I want to get rid of RAID.
• 59[00:22:57] <tor1panhuxyz> cant help you with raid sry
• 60[00:23:49] <tor1panhuxyz> i meant this replaced-url
• 61[00:24:28] <Randolf> I'm using the text mode installer (I don't like GUIs), but it looks the same aside from the graphics.
• 62[00:24:54] <Randolf> The installer fails to "Delete MD device" which seems peculiar to me because the installer should be able to do this, right?
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• 64[00:25:29] <tomreyn> not if there's something else on top that's active
• 65[00:26:15] <Randolf> There shouldn't be, because this is just the installer.
• 66[00:26:31] <Randolf> Maybe I should reboot and try again?
• 67[00:26:42] <tor1panhuxyz> did you load all components in previoud step?
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• 69[00:26:52] <Randolf> Yes.
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• 73[00:27:35] <somiaj> integfred: yes, adwaita-icon-theme would ahve to be installed to install libgtk-3-0
• 74[00:29:08] <tomreyn> Randolf: the easiest approach may be to just use any bootable system of your choice to destroy existing partition tables or to replace partition table son those disks, then run the debian installer again
• 75[00:29:34] <tomreyn> Randolf: you *can* do this from the debian installer's root shell, but it's not convenient there.
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• 77[00:30:18] <Randolf> That's all I've got at the moment -- the installer USB.
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• 81[00:32:30] <tor1panhuxyz> there are quite some tricky parts in disks part. maybe use only one disk fisrt?
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• 84[00:33:45] <Randolf> I just tried the installer again, and the same problem persists. Is there a process I can kill so I can dd the disks with all zeros?
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• 86[00:34:45] <tomreyn> you can press escape until you end up on the "Debian installer main menu", where, to the bottom, you have a "Execute a shell" option
• 87[00:35:28] <Randolf> Yeah, I'm in that shell: BusyBox v1.30.1 (Debian 1:1.30.1-4) built-in shell (ash)
• 88[00:36:56] <tomreyn> udpkg -i cdrom/pool/main/p/parted/parted-udeb_3.2-25_amd64.udeb
• 89[00:37:26] <tomreyn> once installed, you can then run parted -ls
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• 91[00:37:47] <Randolf> That worked!
• 92[00:38:39] <tomreyn> to share it, pipe it through nc termbin.com 9999
• 93[00:39:25] <Randolf> replaced-url
• 94[00:39:25] <tomreyn> parted -ls 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
• 95[00:39:44] <tomreyn> okay that's good enough if there were no critical errors?
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• 97[00:39:51] <Randolf> Let me try that again.
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• 99[00:40:14] <Randolf> replaced-url
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• 103[00:41:05] <Randolf> /dev/sdc is the USB memory stick I booted from.
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• 106[00:42:37] <tomreyn> so you could try to undo those logical on-disk structures now or just ignore them and replace or zero the partition tables on those drives
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• 108[00:43:00] <Randolf> I just removed partition #3 (the "help" command in parted is ... helpful).
• 109[00:43:15] <Randolf> replaced-url
• 110[00:43:47] <Randolf> Looks like I have to remove it one more time.
• 111[00:43:49] <tomreyn> okay, this can alo be done using parted /dev/sda mktable gpt
• 112[00:44:19] <tomreyn> once should be enough, just need to do it on both sda and sdb
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• 114[00:46:03] <Randolf> replaced-url
• 115[00:46:22] <Randolf> I just used "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda" and ditto for sdb.
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• 117[00:46:42] <Randolf> I think I'll leave it to the installer to set things up from scratch now.
• 118[00:46:47] <tomreyn> should work, too
• 119[00:47:10] <Randolf> It sees RAID again. I'm rebooting.
• 120[00:47:26] <Randolf> "Detect disks" might be referring to memory.
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• 122[00:47:52] <tomreyn> what sees raid when?
• 123[00:48:02] <tor1panhuxyz> replaced-url
• 124[00:48:10] <Randolf> The installer's option to "Detect disks."
• 125[00:48:20] <Randolf> I'm rebooting though, so hopefully it won't see that this time.
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• 132[00:49:14] <tomreyn> should be gone after reboot
• 133[00:49:50] <tomreyn> those were active logical structures during the previous session
• 134[00:49:54] <Randolf> Damn, it's back!
• 135[00:50:02] <tomreyn> the md?
• 136[00:50:12] <Randolf> Yes.
• 137[00:50:16] <Randolf> RAIDmd126.
• 138[00:50:52] <Randolf> At the "Partition disks" stage I see: RAIDmd126 device #:RAIDactive device #(auto-read-only)RAIDraid1 device #sda[1]RAIDsdb
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• 140[00:51:15] <tor1panhuxyz> did you dd your fisrt 1GB of both sda and sdb? and you are sure its softraid?
• 141[00:51:43] <tomreyn> well then let's remove it properly this time, and --zero-superblock
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• 144[00:52:32] <Randolf> I ran dd for about 30 seconds on each drive, but I don't know how much was actually written, so it could very well be that I didn't. I'm sure it's softRAID because this motherboard has two options which both refuse to function unless the RAID drivers that use CPU cycles to do the RAID are installed.
• 145[00:52:32] <tomreyn> quoting replaced-url
• 146[00:53:06] <Randolf> Which command takes the --zero-superblock option?
• 147[00:53:32] <tomreyn> mdadm, but you should first remove any logical layers that are o top of it
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• 150[00:53:53] <tomreyn> get a root shell
• 151[00:53:57] <tomreyn> udpkg -i cdrom/pool/main/p/parted/parted-udeb_3.2-25_amd64.udeb
• 152[00:54:08] <tomreyn> parted -ls 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
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• 154[00:54:52] <Randolf> replaced-url
• 155[00:55:13] <tomreyn> can you confirm that /dev/mapper/ is empty or doe snot exist?
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• 157[00:55:43] <Randolf> This command worked this time: mdadm --stop /dev/md126
• 158[00:56:04] <tomreyn> mdadm --zero-superblock /dev/md126
• 159[00:56:23] <Randolf> There's a subdirectory called /dev/mapper/control/
• 160[00:56:29] <tomreyn> thats ok
• 161[00:56:32] <Randolf> Wait, that's not a directory.
• 162[00:56:37] <Randolf> That's all that seems to be there.
• 163[00:56:52] <tomreyn> did you zero the superblock?
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• 165[00:58:26] <Randolf> When I try "mdadm --zero-superblock /dev/sda" (and also "sdb") I get an error: Couldn't open /dev/sda for write - not zeroing
• 166[01:00:11] <tomreyn> hmm, peculiar
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• 168[01:01:46] <tomreyn> can you post parted -ls again
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• 170[01:03:04] <Randolf> replaced-url
• 171[01:03:24] <Randolf> This is what should normally be expected from a new system, right?
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• 175[01:04:06] <tomreyn> yes, i would say so, although new disks often come with partition tables on them, i think
• 176[01:04:39] <Randolf> You know, even if there are partition tables, I think it's reasonable to expect an OS installer to be able to ignore them and overwrite everything.
• 177[01:04:51] <tomreyn> there's a --force option to mdadm --zero-superblock
• 178[01:04:58] <Randolf> I'll try that.
• 179[01:05:38] <Randolf> Done.
• 180[01:06:00] <Randolf> I'm going to power cycle this box, just to make sure nothing gets written back to the disks secretly or anything like that.
• 181[01:06:04] <tomreyn> oh, so it has a safety check there to only delete data from existing partitions
• 182[01:06:49] <tomreyn> so you zeroed superblocks on both drives, right?
• 183[01:06:56] <tomreyn> sda + sdb
• 184[01:06:59] <Randolf> Yes. sda and sdb
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• 186[01:07:09] <tomreyn> power cycle is a good plan
• 187[01:07:17] <Randolf> Neither option resulted in any errors.
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• 189[01:08:56] <Randolf> Now I'm seeing two separate drives. Okay, this is good. RAID is gone now.
• 190[01:09:20] <tomreyn> good
• 191[01:09:30] <Randolf> Forcing UEFI did not fail. Hopefully it actually works this time.
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• 193[01:09:50] <tomreyn> "forcing uefi"?
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• 195[01:10:16] <Randolf> You know what would be helpful in the installer? An expert option that could be selected right from the beginning that provided options like "dd first 1 GB of hard disk" and "run parted" and stuff like that.
• 196[01:10:34] <Randolf> I have to elect to force the UEFI installation or else it definitely won't boot.
• 197[01:10:49] <tor1panhuxyz> EFI partition not work on RAID is in the wiki
• 198[01:11:07] <Randolf> At least that's what I had to do with Debian 10.1.0 and 10.2.0 over the past few months.
• 199[01:11:24] <Randolf> tor1panhuxyz: Oh, I'm not trying to use RAID here. It's software RAID, so I don't want it.
• 200[01:11:24] <tor1panhuxyz> but the installer's disk part is incomplete
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• 202[01:12:08] <tomreyn> i'm not familiar with an installer option to "force uefi installation"
• 203[01:12:25] <tor1panhuxyz> its mainboard firmware
• 204[01:12:35] <Randolf> The installer should be smart enough to provide the user with an option to overwrite the existing disk. I know that there are technicians who will just give up if they can't get it working, as I've seen this happen multiple times with technicians who have little patience.
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• 207[01:12:48] <tor1panhuxyz> UEFI only vs legecy comptable
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• 209[01:13:05] <Randolf> tomreyn: It prompts me after I select the hard drive to install to.
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• 211[01:13:11] <tomreyn> Randolf: i guess this makes a good feature request
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• 213[01:13:32] <Randolf> tomreyn: I could do this.
• 214[01:13:40] <somiaj> the installer has a manual partition method that gives you full control over how the disk (including software raids) are partitioned
• 215[01:14:03] <tor1panhuxyz> the installer auto detects something and auto ignores something, and some options missing in normal installer
• 216[01:14:05] <tomreyn> Randolf: oh i see the prompt now, i guess i haven't used debian installer on uefi in a while :)
• 217[01:14:05] <somiaj> It just might only be in the 'expert install'
• 218[01:14:08] <Randolf> somiaj: I doesn't work. If it did, then I wouldn't have had to go through all these steps today, which tomreyn and tor1panhuxyz helped me with.
• 219[01:14:23] <tor1panhuxyz> i had to choose advanced installler to do somr tricks
• 220[01:14:32] <somiaj> I have used teh installer multiple times to manually partition my disk, actually that is the way I do all installs.
• 221[01:14:35] <Randolf> s/I doesn't work/It doesn't work/
• 222[01:14:57] <Randolf> somiaj: Good luck getting rid of RAID with that. It doesn't work.
• 223[01:15:04] <somiaj> sure, you need to use the expert installer to unlock expert features, these are features many end users won't need, so they won't be in the basic installer getting in the way.
• 224[01:15:20] <Randolf> Installation complete, no GRUB failures either.
• 225[01:15:35] <somiaj> If it is software raid (using linux tools) it works just fine.
• 226[01:16:20] <tomreyn> Randolf: so unless you're dual-/multi-booting (multiple OS installations in different boot modes on the same disk(s)) you always want to force uefi mode at this prompt
• 227[01:16:21] <Randolf> Debian is now booting properly. Thanks tomreyn (and also tor1panhuxyz), you've been a fantastic help to me. :)
• 228[01:16:36] <Randolf> tomreyn: Right. That's how I read the prompt too.
• 229[01:16:39] <tomreyn> Randolf: glad you worked it out..
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• 232[01:18:32] <Randolf> I'll look into making a feature request (two, in fact -- one for the installer to prompt the user with an option to overwrite the existing disk if anything is detected on it, and the other for the expert options to simplify writing /dev/zero to the first 1 GB of a selected hard drive, killing off RAID, etc.).
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• 234[01:20:20] <somiaj> Randolf: this option is there, use the expert install mode.
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• 236[01:20:40] <tomreyn> as we've seen zeroing the first GB of disks may not fully remove raid superblocks. i think those are actually located at the end of each raid members allocated storage, too.
• 237[01:20:53] <somiaj> you can alsu just manually do all that from a console after you load the proper tools from .udebs
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• 240[01:21:48] <Randolf> tomreyn: Ah, that explains why that was needed.
• 241[01:21:57] <tomreyn> somiaj: you're saying there's a zero superblock option on the extended installer?
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• 243[01:22:08] * Randolf is installing 592 packages with apt now...
• 244[01:23:14] <Randolf> somiaj: The problem has been resolved. Scroll up to about 80 minutes ago to see the whole conversation.
• 245[01:23:18] <somiaj> tomreyn: well the first one, to delete the partition table and create the own. There isa zero the whole disk option. Though at some level these can all be done manually from a shell.
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• 247[01:25:30] <Randolf> This server will be replacing a NetBSD system. I really like NetBSD, but I've been running into problems with the package manager on it failing to update/upgrade certain packages and then breaking some other packages. I've also been having problems with NetBSD not supporting the newest hardware. So, I am finding Debian to be a really great replacement as it seems to come with very little pre-installed (I really like this about both NetBSD and Debian).
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• 249[01:26:00] <tor1panhuxyz> If Id like to install Debian on Raid, do I need to manually create EFI partions?
• 250[01:26:05] <tor1panhuxyz> replaced-url
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• 253[01:26:53] <Randolf> Thanks tor1panhuxyz, I read that earlier. This is part of the reason I spiralled toward the conclusion that the EFI Shell is a disaster.
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• 255[01:27:22] <tomreyn> somiaj: i'm not familiar with the 'delete the partition table and create the own' option, will have a look, thanks. i don't think zeroing full disks is a good enough option on large disks. doing things manually from the root shell is what we did.
• 256[01:27:46] <somiaj> tomreyn: tehy call it 'manual' partition
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• 258[01:28:16] <somiaj> tomreyn: under that you have options to delete the current partition table and rewrite your own, configure add/delete mdam raids and so on
• 259[01:28:22] <tomreyn> somiaj: this doesn't create a new partition table though, i think, but reuses the existing one
• 260[01:28:51] <tomreyn> i'll give it a try, maybe things changed, it's been a while
• 261[01:28:52] <somiaj> well if you delete all partitions, and then make your own, it rewrites the partition table
• 262[01:29:11] <somiaj> I have used to to delete an old raid, and build a new one with no issues
• 263[01:29:16] <tor1panhuxyz> thats what i suggested, but Randolf's box failed at some steps
• 264[01:29:48] <tor1panhuxyz> like configurr softraid option failed
• 265[01:29:50] <somiaj> There will be edge cases, depending on the system, but overall I think we would hear more about it if it didn't work for most.
• 266[01:30:19] <somiaj> There is #debian-installer on irc.oftc.net, they might have more details on the full capabilities.
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• 269[01:31:17] <tor1panhuxyz> Is there a feature request on auto detect encrypted disks for debian installer?
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• 271[01:31:27] <tomreyn> well i've also run into this problem of ghost md's many times. the easiest way to reproduce this problem is to install once and then install again, with manual partitioning.
• 272[01:31:38] <Randolf> Xen is booting up properly now, and all is well. This is great.
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• 279[01:35:15] <Randolf> Thanks everyone! Have a great day.
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• 284[01:36:48] <tomreyn> you, too, enjoy Xen, though i'd prefer Zen.
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• 286[01:37:31] <Randolf> Heh.
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• 305[01:48:05] <tomreyn> somiaj: so you're right in that the manual partitioner can, once you've removed all the logical device structures (file systems, lvm, software raid, partitions, ...) create a new empty partition table. it doesn't let you choose the desired partition table type.
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• 307[01:48:23] <tomreyn> oh, i'm wrong, it does let you choose this in expert mode
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• 310[01:49:39] <tomreyn> okay, so that's nice, and probably has always been there. it's still annoying having to undo all those logical structures first of all.
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• 326[01:57:55] <tor1panhuxyz> that might be the nature of raid, dont need if no raid. maybe let installer ask if we want to detect raid/lvm/luks?
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• 331[02:00:21] <tomreyn> yes, this might help
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• 351[02:15:04] <ectospasm> jjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj
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• 354[02:15:50] <ectospasm> Sorry about that.
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• 362[02:21:58] <fuxxy> Attempting to mount a FreeNAS NFS share using sec=krb5 and Active Directory. Anyone know how to make the mounting process easier? When attempting to mount as root, I get "access denied by server". I was able to mount without issue with sec=sys.
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• 428[02:57:10] <somiaj> tomreyn: the partition type is set by boot mode, uefi will always be GPT and legacy will always be MBR
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• 430[02:57:53] <somiaj> oh it does let you choose type, hmm, either way, it defaults based off of boot mode
• 431[02:59:09] <somiaj> and yea, I guess it doesn't want to give you the 'delete whole table' option, not sure why. Though the installer can't always meet every use case, you can always just load gdisk, cfdisk, from a .udeb and manually do it that way.
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• 466[03:34:08] <fuxxy> using kerberos authenticated by Active Directory domain controller. Does root need any sort of special kerberos consideration or account?
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• 472[03:40:15] <sponix2ipfw> somiaj: I was legacy booting but had all gpt partion tables at one point
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• 486[03:45:52] <Gt15> any chance librecmc <- hurd
• 487[03:45:55] <Gt15> ?
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• 490[03:47:08] <Gt15> before libreboot steammachines
• 491[03:47:12] <Gt15> ihihih
• 492[03:47:19] <Gt15> ???
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• 496[03:50:29] <somiaj> sponix2ipfw: this is only when the installer creates partitions, (though maybe it changed with buster, I don't always keep up)
• 497[03:50:45] <somiaj> I mean creates partition tables, if you ahve a partitiontable already, it uses that
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• 499[03:52:22] <pirla> Hello everyone. I ust installed Debian Buster x86 on an old machine, but I have ome issues
• 500[03:52:55] <pirla> In eg, adduser username sudo returns "not found adduser", same for shutdown and reboot
• 501[03:53:28] <pirla> * command not found
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• 505[03:54:44] <dvs> !buster su
• 506[03:54:44] <dpkg> In buster, su no longer overrides PATH by default, requiring that you use "su -" or "su -l" for login shells (which is not really a new thing at all...). To approximate the previous behaviour, put "ALWAYS_SET_PATH yes" in /etc/login.defs. See replaced-url
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• 508[03:55:47] <romzan> exit
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• 513[03:57:08] <pirla> brb
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• 520[04:02:53] <pirla> Here I am. Thank, it works now
• 521[04:03:07] <pirla> Now, I have issues with BlueTooth
• 522[04:03:23] <pirla> The BlueMan applet doesn't even start
• 523[04:03:31] <pirla> Note I'm using XFCE
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• 528[04:04:52] <pirla> It tells no bletooth devices are found
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• 532[04:06:28] <pirla> Excuse me for the lack of information, I have an Italian locale and I have to translate messages on the fly
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• 539[04:09:23] <joepublic> do you have a compatible bluetooth adapter, or one that requires nonfree firmware.
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• 543[04:10:48] <pirla> don't know
• 544[04:10:56] <pirla> Give me a moment
• 545[04:12:09] <pirla> lspci don't give any valuable info
• 546[04:12:19] <pirla> what could I use?
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• 548[04:12:33] <Kysh> Grawr.
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• 550[04:13:15] <dvs> Roar!
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• 552[04:14:21] <joepublic> is it a pci bluetooth, or usb?
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• 555[04:14:37] <pirla> I guess is a PCI, unsure btw
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• 562[04:21:17] <pirla> How can I tell if is it a USB?
• 563[04:21:48] <pirla> Btw, my computer is a Acer Aspire 3102 WLMi
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• 567[04:25:11] <pirla> replaced-url
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• 569[04:25:22] * Kysh stretches her wings, then furls them with a snap, settling to her haunches and grinning a toothy grin.
• 570[04:26:04] <tor1panhuxyz> let me try this for ya
• 571[04:26:09] <tor1panhuxyz> !bluetooth
• 572[04:26:09] <dpkg> Bluetooth is a wireless communications protocol (replaced-url
• 573[04:26:14] <pirla> Well, it's a BroadCom (according to the Acer specs page)
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• 575[04:27:36] <pirla> Package bluez-utils has no installation candidate
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• 577[04:28:04] <pirla> idd --search: not found
• 578[04:28:12] <pirla> *hidd
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• 581[04:30:13] <tor1panhuxyz> replaced-url
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• 586[04:32:47] <pirla> Thanks a lot of lots!!!
• 587[04:33:10] <pirla> Now works, I just have to see how can I start daemon at boot
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• 589[04:34:36] <pirla> I mean automatically. Unfortunately, the page you linked doesn't explain this
• 590[04:34:52] <pirla> And I'm not really an administrator
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• 596[04:36:48] <pirla> !service
• 597[04:36:48] <dpkg> To view and alter system services, use one or more of <rcconf>, <sysv-rc-conf>, <update-rc.d>; or use ls, ln and mv in /etc/rc?.d/ . The /etc/services file provides a port numbers list, which is updated from replaced-url
• 598[04:37:25] <pirla> !service bluetooth
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• 600[04:37:47] <tor1panhuxyz> You can use /msg dpkg XXX
• 601[04:38:14] <pirla> no luck
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• 605[04:39:09] <pirla> Please, can anyone tell me how to automatically start bluetoth service? The command is: service bluetooth start
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• 611[04:43:50] <pirla> Anyone?
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• 617[04:47:21] <tor1panhuxyz> systemctl enable bluetooth
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• 623[04:48:49] <pirla> brb, testing
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• 631[04:53:14] <pirla> No luck
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• 633[04:58:39] <pirla> I need to launch bluetoothd at boot. How?
• 634[05:01:02] <tomg_> it's in package bluetooth for me on stretch-based LMDE 3
• 635[05:01:11] <tomg_> tomg@requiem /etc/init.d $ grep bluetoothd * bluetooth:DAEMON=/usr/sbin/bluetoothd
• 636[05:01:58] <pirla> Do I have to type all in one line?
• 637[05:01:59] <tomg_> i guess if systemctl doesn't do it i don't know what will
• 638[05:02:04] <tomg_> no, don't type that at all
• 639[05:02:20] <tomg_> i don't know why your bluetoothd isn't starting
• 640[05:02:30] <pirla> I didn't try systemctl or anything similar yet
• 641[05:02:45] <pirla> Just started the daemon (manually)
• 642[05:02:56] <pirla> and the service runs on its own
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• 649[05:07:47] <tor1panhuxyz> what's the output of "systemctl status bluetooth"?
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• 652[05:09:04] <pirla> Unit bletooth.service could not be found.
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• 655[05:11:35] <aaro> "bletooth"? watchout for typos there
• 656[05:11:45] <pirla> oh, sorry lol
• 657[05:12:43] <pirla> replaced-url
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• 659[05:13:17] <terr_> tor1panhuxyz, I am not familiar with systemctl... can you brief me - meanwhile I'll see if its installed
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• 661[05:15:28] <lszyba1> Hello,Sorry for asking on this channel, but would you know which software allows me to clean the voice output via a command line ..realtime would be best...
• 662[05:15:28] <lszyba1> I have a recording but its sounds robotic, I need to adjust it somehow to make it look cleaner...
• 663[05:15:28] <lszyba1> initally i was looking at female to male or male to female kind of software, but not sure exactly what I'm looking for..
• 664[05:15:28] <lszyba1> (clean the voice)
• 665[05:15:28] <terr_> Oh! I have used init. It looks like systemd and init might sleep in the same bed
• 666[05:15:50] <aaro> pirla: systemctl start bluetooth
• 667[05:16:31] <pirla> lszybal, try SoX (SOund eXchange)
• 668[05:17:10] <pirla> You need to alter the pitch of your recording
• 669[05:18:08] <terr_> Offtopic. If anyone is interested I am setting up RMA's for IBM Model M keyboards. I have 4 here in Calgary. What I can do is provide a summery of how to do this as inexpensivily as reasonable and how I make out.
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• 671[05:18:50] <pirla> tor1panhuxyz, now?
• 672[05:21:10] <tor1panhuxyz> You ran "systemctl enable bluetooth" and restarted your system?
• 673[05:21:14] <pirla> yep
• 674[05:21:32] <lszyba1> pirla: thank you. Let me look for a command..
• 675[05:21:32] <lszyba1> Do you know if there is one that optmizes for best audio? or pitch?
• 676[05:21:57] <pirla> no, sorry, I used "service bluetooth start"
• 677[05:22:31] <tor1panhuxyz> Do it then and try
• 678[05:22:35] <pirla> did right now, should I reboot?
• 679[05:23:05] <tor1panhuxyz> if you'd like to see if it works, reboot, yes
• 680[05:23:11] <pirla> brb
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• 682[05:23:19] <somiaj> service will just pass things to systemctl anyways, and start is no thte same as enable
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• 686[05:24:20] <aaro> i bet he's just making another typo somewhere
• 687[05:24:26] <terr_> tor1panhuxyz, clarification please. say I use systemd.mount - how is this different than mount?
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• 692[05:27:24] <tor1panhuxyz> not an expert and I do not like systemd. so read wiki maybe.
• 693[05:27:24] <pirla> no luck
• 694[05:27:28] <tor1panhuxyz> !systemd
• 695[05:27:28] <dpkg> systemd is a system and service manager for Linux, compatible with SysV and LSB init scripts. It is a replacement for <sysvinit>. systemd shipped as a technology preview in Debian 7 "Wheezy" and is the default init system in Debian 8 "Jessie". replaced-url
• 696[05:28:45] <tor1panhuxyz> pirla: did you make another typo? paste output of "systemctl status bluetooth"?
• 697[05:29:32] <pirla> I see I have to manually start bluetoothd, then the BlueTooth Manager
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• 700[05:34:10] <pirla> Any way to automatically start bluetoothd at boot?
• 701[05:34:23] <pirla> And BlueTooth Manager too
• 702[05:35:56] <terr_> tor1panhuxyz, systemd and systemctl look interesting and I may want to use them. But so far I don't know why I would want to control bluetooth via systemctl and what of USB because I may be wanting to work directly with USB - but its down the track. Right now I would like ot know how for instance a DP monitor or HDMI or SVGA monitor is implemented and ditto with RS232 because I know I need it to drive Arduinos
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• 704[05:37:22] <terr_> oh.. monitors (DP, HDMI, SVGA) and RS232 over USB
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• 706[05:39:42] <somiaj> pirla: you were told you can enable the service with systemctl, if it isn't starting at boot, check systemctl status bluetooth to see if youc an figure out why
• 707[05:40:12] <pirla> I can't figure out, otherwise I wouldn't have asked
• 708[05:40:12] <somiaj> terr_: it is more you are proabably already using systemd (default in debian) and systemctl is just a command line to control services.
• 709[05:40:19] <pirla> I'm not really a system admin
• 710[05:40:39] <pirla> someone tagged me "frankendebian"
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• 713[05:41:45] <tor1panhuxyz> systemd basically manages everything?
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• 717[05:42:53] <terr_> somiaj, I sort of gathered this. Its why I asked what the difference (if any) between systemd.mount and mount
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• 720[05:43:56] <tor1panhuxyz> terr_: Is it thunderbolt? Intel release technical details last year
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• 725[05:44:28] <tor1panhuxyz> Very few AMD boards support Type-C with thunderbolt now
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• 730[05:46:38] <pirla> BlueTooth service is run at boot, but not bluetoothd
• 731[05:46:42] <tor1panhuxyz> pirla: Did you do a "systemctl status bluetooth" for debugging?
• 732[05:47:06] <pirla> Yes, I rebooted and ran that rigt now
• 733[05:47:20] <pirla> The service is run but not the daemon
• 734[05:48:05] <terr_> tor1panhuxyz, no - ancient stuff. I am just wondering how it works because I will be firing up a Raspberry Pi soona nd using it to talk to Arduinos and they talk RS232 over USB. I _also_ need to read sensors in real time. Its all in the near future and I have not worked in Linux at this level before
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• 737[05:50:06] <pirla> And neither the BlueTooth Manager (I have to start it manually, too)
• 738[05:51:11] <terr_> pirla, to test that bluetooth interface (and I don't know this stufff - I am guessing) I woujld _think_ you should not need to reboot. You should be able to down it and up it.
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• 740[05:51:41] <pirla> I'm not sure, how could I tell it worked?
• 741[05:51:41] <terr_> pirla, I know I can down an ethernet interface and bring it back up.
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• 743[05:52:41] <terr_> pirla, from what you wrote... I surmise you have several seconds of sound. right? how many?
• 744[05:53:12] <terr_> I also mount and unmount partitions - both sda and via USB
• 745[05:53:17] <tor1panhuxyz> We need to know what you did and the logs, to debug for you, remotely
• 746[05:53:23] <terr_> I mean SATA and USB
• 747[05:53:43] <terr_> tor1panhuxyz, is he watching the logs?
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• 750[05:55:30] <pirla> One thing is being able to do something along the way, another is to have it working at boot. I can use BlueTooth, but I have to manually start "bluetoothd" and "bluetooth manager" from the System Menu.
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• 753[05:56:30] <terr_> pirla, first you need to get it working. Then get it working nice
• 754[05:56:45] <pirla> I already have it working
• 755[05:56:54] <terr_> if its not working thgen it doesn't really matter if its nicely not working
• 756[05:57:02] <pirla> read
• 757[05:57:20] <terr_> ah so now you are just looking to have it come up automatically at boot.
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• 759[05:57:26] <pirla> yep
• 760[05:58:10] <terr_> okay - well I'm walking in your footsteps... how often do you do this sort of thing?
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• 762[05:58:30] <pirla> what sort of thing?
• 763[05:58:52] <tor1panhuxyz> why not paste the output of "systemcl status bluetooth" like you did before?
• 764[05:58:55] <terr_> setting up a sybsytem to laod at boot time... not manually
• 765[05:59:04] <pirla> output is still the same
• 766[05:59:06] <tor1panhuxyz> right after reboot, without running anything else
• 767[05:59:36] <pirla> same, tried earlier
• 768[05:59:39] <terr_> tor1panhuxyz, if he is like me - I would not know how... yet... but we learn
• 769[06:00:05] <terr_> pirla, tor1panhuxyz whats to actually look at the logs
• 770[06:02:22] <pirla> Let's clarify this: The BlueTooth Service starts on boot, but before I can use the BlueTooth, I have to type "sudo bluetoothd" from the terminal and run "BlueTooth Manager" from the System Menu
• 771[06:02:59] <pirla> So I need bluetoothd and manager to start on boot/login
• 772[06:03:43] <terr_> pirla, we don't yet know why
• 773[06:03:56] <pirla> why what?
• 774[06:04:02] <terr_> it might be starting - and quitting
• 775[06:04:35] <pirla> Don't know, but when I type in the terminal the daemon keeps "up"
• 776[06:04:39] <terr_> does dmesg show you anythtng?
• 777[06:04:55] <terr_> typos - I was fixin them and pressed enter
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• 779[06:05:26] <terr_> try dmesg | less (I think that is correct)
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• 781[06:05:49] <pirla> replaced-url
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• 784[06:06:52] <terr_> pirla - dmesg shows a lot more than that
• 785[06:07:08] <pirla> yes, I grep-ed luet
• 786[06:07:42] <terr_> pirla paste all of it.
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• 788[06:08:19] <terr_> pirla and I am pretty newbie with this stuff
• 789[06:08:40] <pirla> replaced-url
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• 792[06:12:22] <pirla> terr_, now what?
• 793[06:12:35] <terr_> I am looking through it
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• 801[06:18:20] <terr_> line 805: [ 208.973799] Bluetooth: Core ver 2.22 >--- is this the first reference to bluetooth
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• 803[06:18:46] <tor1panhuxyz> Since there's not enough info given, you can learn how to write and add a systemd unit to your system
• 804[06:19:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1509
• 805[06:19:08] <tor1panhuxyz> so you can auto run anything when booting
• 806[06:19:48] <terr_> tor1panhuxyz, yes I did read this - but not how to do it.
• 807[06:20:10] <tor1panhuxyz> you should find out if bluetoothd is running after rebooting, like htop or "ps aux | grep bluetoothd"
• 808[06:20:37] <terr_> tor1panhuxyz, I didn't see any reference to bluetoothd
• 809[06:20:42] <tor1panhuxyz> and figure out if you need to run both bluetoothd and click that manager to use bt
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• 812[06:21:31] <pirla> tring to reboot, brb
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• 814[06:21:40] <terr_> no worries
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• 817[06:23:57] <terr_> tor1panhuxyz, while he is rebooting - what I am doing is a manual install of Buster - from a Stretch system and I do not want to use the install image because its a rescue disk I'm setting up. Not just install - I am thinking - I'll set up a VM and test in there. but eventually I just wnat to reboot into Grub living on an external disk - and now the one originally booted from - can this be done?
• 818[06:24:28] <terr_> init 0 as I recall just reboots the default system - not a new system
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• 821[06:24:46] <pirla> here I am
• 822[06:24:51] <pirla> ● bluetooth.service - Bluetooth service
• 823[06:24:52] <pirla> Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/bluetooth.service; enabled; vendor preset
• 824[06:24:52] <pirla> Active: inactive (dead)
• 825[06:24:52] <pirla> Docs: man:bluetoothd(8)
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• 828[06:25:24] <pirla> excuse me, my mistake
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• 830[06:27:25] <pirla> replaced-url
• 831[06:27:26] <terr_> pirla paste it.
• 832[06:27:56] <pirla> did it
• 833[06:27:59] <pirla> sorry again
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• 836[06:28:42] <terr_> no worries.
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• 840[06:29:29] <terr_> It looks to me (and I'm green) that the deamon is stopping. There should be a log - I am not sure my sytem even supports bluetooth - likely not
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• 842[06:30:25] <pirla> What does "I'm green" mean?
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• 847[06:34:05] <terr_> 1) I have lottsa money 2) envy 3) newboot and likely don't (yet) know
• 848[06:34:36] <tor1panhuxyz> could be service tried to run before loading bt kernel module
• 849[06:34:54] <tor1panhuxyz> your wifi and bt is on the same card?
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• 851[06:35:37] <pirla> I don't think so, but I'm not very sure
• 852[06:37:41] <pirla> Maybe it is, BT and WiFi both are BroadCom
• 853[06:39:01] <pirla> But I can work with both enabled
• 854[06:39:12] <terr_> tor1panhuxyz, I will leave it with you. I looked and I am pretty sure this machine does not support bluetooth so I can't even check what it does. No reason for me to be a boat anchor
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• 867[06:51:56] <pirla> Nevermind, please, can anyone help me with a foxconn modem?
• 868[06:51:58] <pirla> 56k
• 869[06:55:03] <tabb> that still existe
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• 871[06:56:20] <tabb> whats the model? google?
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• 874[06:58:34] <pirla> Don't know, Acer product page only tells it's a 7.58.0.0 driver version
• 875[06:58:50] <pirla> And manifactured by FoxConn
• 876[06:58:52] <CCFL_Man> pirla: windows driver version?
• 877[06:58:59] <pirla> That
• 878[06:59:17] <pirla> replaced-url
• 879[06:59:24] <CCFL_Man> you're not providing much help. is it a pci card?
• 880[06:59:37] <pirla> Sorry, let me scan with lspci
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• 882[06:59:54] <tabb> that a pc
• 883[07:00:20] <CCFL_Man> you'll have to look and see if linux softmodem drivers support it
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• 886[07:01:46] <pirla> I know, but neither lshw, lspci nor lsusb shows the hardware, so I guess it's not working
• 887[07:02:05] <pirla> I'm trying to run Debian on a used PC I have gifted for
• 888[07:02:27] <pirla> And trying to configure all the hardware, but I guess I can't for modem
• 889[07:02:39] <CCFL_Man> pspci should show something
• 890[07:02:48] <CCFL_Man> lspci
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• 892[07:03:01] <pirla> I also have a Suyin webcam, not showed either
• 893[07:03:16] <pirla> No, lspci doesn't list the modem
• 894[07:04:00] <pirla> And same goes for the cam
• 895[07:04:08] <tabb> replaced-url
• 896[07:04:25] <CCFL_Man> the cam is probably usb
• 897[07:04:52] <tabb> look under Wireless LAN
• 898[07:04:58] <pirla> replaced-url
• 899[07:05:41] <tabb> 06:01.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8100/8101L/8139 PCI Fast Ethernet Adapter (rev 10)
• 900[07:05:42] <tabb> 06:02.0 Ethernet controller: Qualcomm Atheros AR2413/AR2414 Wireless Network Adapter [AR5005G(S) 802.11bg] (rev 01)
• 901[07:05:59] <tabb> For Atheros devices, the Linux kernel's ath5k driver works correctly as of Linux 2.6.28 (n.b. you may need to load the rfkill module as well to have the radio enabled).
• 902[07:06:09] <tabb> look under Wireless LAN on replaced-url
• 903[07:06:14] <tabb> there's a link to the package
• 904[07:07:02] <openbsdtai123> I have the same one, it worsk for me . Qualcomm Atheros AR2413/AR2414 Wireless Network Adapter
• 905[07:07:21] <tabb> he has it too
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• 907[07:07:23] <pirla> I have wifi, bluetooth and ethernet already working
• 908[07:07:33] <tabb> [...?!]
• 909[07:07:34] <pirla> my issues are with the webcam and the modem
• 910[07:07:39] <tabb> then whats the trouble?
• 911[07:07:44] <tabb> the modem?
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• 913[07:07:51] <pirla> while I have to figure out how to start bluetoothd at boot
• 914[07:08:01] <tabb> you'Ve got wifi bluetooth and ethernet
• 915[07:08:07] <pirla> yes
• 916[07:08:17] <tabb> wth the model?
• 917[07:08:24] <pirla> ?
• 918[07:08:40] <tabb> i dont figure the modem
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• 920[07:08:45] <pirla> neither
• 921[07:08:47] <pirla> m
• 922[07:08:49] <pirla> me
• 923[07:08:49] <tabb> if you got all internet stuff working
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• 925[07:08:59] <tabb> why a modem?
• 926[07:09:17] <pirla> The modem could come handy in some situations, and by th way I'm preparing the system to be sold
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• 928[07:09:27] <pirla> I eg, I could send faxes
• 929[07:09:53] <tabb> replaced-url
• 930[07:10:05] <tabb> ok, who send faxes in 2020? ;p
• 931[07:10:10] <tabb> joking
• 932[07:10:42] <tabb> i cannot help much more witht he modem thing, dunno the model witch is the base to work on the trouble
• 933[07:11:20] <CCFL_Man> tabb: some people still do
• 934[07:11:45] <tabb> probably
• 935[07:11:51] <tabb> i pass on them
• 936[07:11:53] <tabb> ;>
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• 939[07:13:37] <CCFL_Man> pirla: if you are then we'd like a cut of the money
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• 941[07:13:56] <pirla> A cut on 40 euros? Maybe...
• 942[07:14:14] <CCFL_Man> 5 euro should be good
• 943[07:14:23] <pirla> lol ok
• 944[07:15:44] <CCFL_Man> i don't really use linux anyway. i use unix and bsd
• 945[07:16:02] <CCFL_Man> i only use linux for embedded stuff, like raspberry pi
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• 948[07:17:20] <CCFL_Man> and i only use linux on raspberry pi because it's the only OS with alsa drivers for this soundcard i need to use for an SDE project
• 949[07:17:23] <CCFL_Man> SDR
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• 951[07:17:51] <pirla> nice
• 952[07:17:55] <CCFL_Man> otherwise i'd use freebsd
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• 954[07:18:42] <CCFL_Man> i'm fond of sparc server hardware so i use solaris 10 on that, and i use mac os on the desktop
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• 959[07:21:34] <pirla> wow, what a mix
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• 962[07:22:35] <tor1panhuxyz> sorry eating right now, but seems the cause is bt demands something that does not exist when starting
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• 964[07:23:21] <tor1panhuxyz> like it demands ip 1.1.1.1 but no network available, so it failed
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• 966[07:24:36] <pirla> Oh, almost got it. Thanks.
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• 1049[08:21:10] <zodo> Okay, I've gone round and round. Tired of looking, finding 6 answera snd NONE seem to work.
• 1050[08:21:26] <zodo> How do I disable or Ignore LID on my laptop?
• 1051[08:21:41] <korhojoa> rip out the sensor?
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• 1054[08:22:22] <jelly> zodo: you can start by enumerating the 6 answers that did not work, so any volunteer does not suggest one of those again
• 1055[08:22:51] <korhojoa> i mean if you already took out the sensor then idk, magic
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• 1057[08:23:16] <zodo> I tried the UPower.conf setting. NOPE. I tried putting exit as the first line of lid.sh (/etc/acpi/lid.sh??)
• 1058[08:24:04] <zodo> Yeah, I tried the logind.conf thing. Something about blahLid=ignore
• 1059[08:24:21] <zodo> And, I rebooted after each setting.
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• 1068[08:28:29] <zodo> I'm just going to shotgut it. Try ALL at teh same STUPID Time. so I won't know WHICH one works.
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• 1074[08:32:27] <thnee> In the QT program git-cola, there is an option to select GUI Theme: Flat dark grey. Is this theme available in a debian package, or must it be downloaded manually?
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• 1083[08:35:42] <tor1panhuxyz> zodo: did you try all HandleLidSwitch=ignore HandleLidSwitchExternalPower=ignore HandleLidSwitchDocked=ignore ?
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• 1229[10:15:10] <Kyros> that was hours ago but this one works for me HandleLidSwitch=ignore
• 1230[10:17:27] <jrabbit> yeah I think I recently had to swap it.
• 1231[10:17:46] <jrabbit> one must have been deprecated
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• 1337[11:27:29] <grobi1> i like to install a long list of font-packages but a few of them seem not to be available.
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• 1339[11:29:45] <grobi1> because of that nothing gets installed at all.. does someone know an option for apt to avoid that?
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• 1352[11:43:30] <jm_> !bat
• 1353[11:43:30] <dpkg> [Basic Apt* Troubleshooting]. To diagnose your problem, we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
• 1354[11:43:33] <jm_> grobi1: ^^^^^^^^
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• 1408[12:16:37] <dob1> I am a bit worried does installing xfce4 will install network-manager too?
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• 1410[12:17:00] <jrabbit> you should be able to check
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• 1414[12:18:24] <dob1> sudo apt-get --no-act install xfce4 |grep -i network I see only glib-networking
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• 1423[12:23:29] <jrabbit> should be ok then
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• 1426[12:24:11] <jrabbit> esp if you have some network admin thing already unsure that there's a virtual package for it exactly but there might be
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• 1450[12:37:47] <afidegnum> hello, i already have python 3.5.3 installed, how do i upgrade to python 3.6?
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• 1456[12:41:33] <nkuttler> ,v python3.6
• 1457[12:41:34] <judd> No package named 'python3.6' was found in amd64.
• 1458[12:41:39] <nkuttler> ,v python3.7
• 1459[12:41:39] <ratrace> afidegnum: you don't. stretch has 3.5, buster has 3.7.
• 1460[12:41:39] <jm_> afidegnum: in buster or what?
• 1461[12:41:40] <judd> Package: python3.7 on amd64 -- buster: 3.7.3-2+deb10u1; bullseye: 3.7.6-1+b1; sid: 3.7.6-1+b1
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• 1463[12:42:11] <nkuttler> afidegnum: no 3.6 but 3.7 in buster
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• 1465[12:42:32] <ratrace> if you require some functionality in 3.6+, consider upgrading to buster
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• 1468[12:45:07] <afidegnum> ouch!
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• 1582[13:50:09] <plaisthos> I am feeling a bit stupid but how do I get dpkg-buildpackage/debhelper/... to execute dh_shlibdeps during build?
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• 1584[13:50:45] <plaisthos> I always get unknown substitution variable ${shlibs:Depends}
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• 1610[14:03:21] <jelly> plaisthos: which release (or which debhelper version) are you using, is it something old?
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• 1614[14:09:06] <plaisthos> jelly: currently on Ubuntu 18.04, so I think not really old
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• 1625[14:12:57] <plaisthos> jelly: found the problem, all instead of any for the architecture ...
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• 1635[14:18:25] <dob1> ,v virtualbox
• 1636[14:18:26] <judd> Package: virtualbox on amd64 -- jessie/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-security/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; stretch-backports/contrib: 5.2.24-dfsg-4~bpo9+1; sid/contrib: 6.1.4-dfsg-1
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• 1646[14:23:14] <twanny796> how do I set my timezone for ntp?
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• 1652[14:26:23] <ratrace> twanny796: dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
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• 1656[14:29:35] <twanny796> ratrace: kk
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• 1662[14:33:29] <jelly> ntp does not care about your puny timezones.
• 1663[14:34:01] <Haohmaru> computers don't care about night or day, they don't sleep
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• 1669[14:34:58] <Haohmaru> dpkg ain't that right, bruh
• 1670[14:34:58] <dpkg> Haohmaru: are you using Windows?
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• 1672[14:35:10] <Haohmaru> crap, u cought me there
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• 1678[14:37:56] <forsal> Hi How can I make debian down bar to looks like monjaro (square shape shotrcuts) replaced-url
• 1679[14:38:25] <shtrb> Haohmaru, dpkg is just a support account
• 1680[14:38:29] <Haohmaru> how does it look now?
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• 1682[14:38:48] <Haohmaru> forsal ^
• 1683[14:38:58] <Haohmaru> shtrb i know ;P~
• 1684[14:38:59] <shtrb> forsal, what DE are you using ?
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• 1705[14:47:04] <forsal> @shtrb de?hmmm debian10
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• 1712[14:50:27] <shtrb> DE Desktop Environment (plasma/ Gnome , lxde ... )
• 1713[14:50:46] <forsal> ah ok KDE
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• 1715[14:51:43] <shtrb> ,v papirus
• 1716[14:51:44] <judd> No package named 'papirus' was found in amd64.
• 1717[14:52:02] <shtrb> ,v papirus-icon-theme
• 1718[14:52:03] <judd> Package: papirus-icon-theme on amd64 -- stretch-backports: 20190203-1~bpo9+1; buster: 20190203-1; buster-backports: 20200201-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 20200201-1; sid: 20200201-1
• 1719[14:52:28] <shtrb> forsal, install papirus-icon-theme and select it in your theme
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• 1721[14:52:54] <shtrb> sorry , wrong theme
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• 1734[14:58:15] <forsal> shtrb thank you, testing
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• 1741[15:02:33] <alter> !list
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• 1748[15:05:54] <forsal> @shtrb it's not what I'm looking for
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• 1750[15:06:24] <forsal> I want after you open for example firefox Icon stay in square shape
• 1751[15:06:51] <forsal> the same like in monjaro kde
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• 1784[15:35:41] <code1o6> Hello, what is the fastest way to package a python app to .deb?
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• 1787[15:36:57] <Haohmaru> i've heard that sneks like hot milk
• 1788[15:37:03] <themill> ,i pypi2deb
• 1789[15:37:04] <judd> Package pypi2deb (python, optional) in buster/amd64: PyPI to Debian converter. Version: 2.20180804; Size: 16.8k; Installed: 111k; Homepage: replaced-url
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• 1791[15:37:19] <themill> code1o6: ^^ some people like that; personally, I just make the package.
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• 1880[16:29:24] <code1o6> @judd that is more convert python libraries to PyPi? does it work with applications?
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• 1885[16:33:22] <Annonomus> how to find any bugs in system
• 1886[16:33:42] <jelly> use it
• 1887[16:33:51] <jelly> you'll find some bugs soon enough
• 1888[16:34:19] <Haohmaru> bugs only come out when you akchually are trying to do something for a purpose other than for testing for bugs
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• 1890[16:34:31] <Haohmaru> when you're testing - they b hidin'
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• 1898[16:37:19] <n_1-c_k> The Wireguard page replaced-url
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• 1903[16:39:28] <jelly> ,v wireguard-dkms
• 1904[16:39:30] <judd> Package: wireguard-dkms on amd64 -- bullseye: 0.0.20200215-1; sid: 0.0.20200215-1
• 1905[16:39:45] <jelly> ,checkbackport wireguard-dkms
• 1906[16:39:47] <judd> Backporting package wireguard-dkms in sid→buster/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: debhelper-compat (= 12).
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• 1908[16:39:56] <jelly> judd: you fool!
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• 1912[16:40:25] <jelly> n_1-c_k: they can't. Make a local backport to avoid accidental breakage
• 1913[16:40:46] <n_1-c_k> jelly, OK - thanks.
• 1914[16:41:31] <jelly> it's too easy to break things after adding binary "deb " of a newer debian branch to sources.list, even with pinning.
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• 1951[17:04:21] <quarterback> I'm curious what is the monthly data traffic size of a debian linux mirror?
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• 1956[17:06:52] <Haohmaru> 42
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• 1959[17:08:03] <quarterback> Those 42 people are borderline.
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• 1966[17:14:22] <jelly> quarterback: about 3.50
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• 1972[17:16:35] <jelly> Total kB Files | 110532390 # for January 2020
• 1973[17:16:37] <quarterback> jelly, You mean 3.5 TB?
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• 1979[17:20:12] <jelly> it really depends on how many users get to use your mirror
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• 1981[17:20:51] <jelly> we probably have more traffic from mirror syncing than from end users
• 1982[17:20:52] <Haohmaru> and whether some of the big planets have aligned or not with their updates ;P~
• 1983[17:20:55] <quarterback> It is not setup yet. I dont know actually, atleast a 100 to 1000 per month downloads of a full linux setup files.
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• 1985[17:21:26] <quarterback> How many users of debian are there?
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• 1987[17:22:01] <quarterback> I am assuming a mirror like us.debian.org or de.debian.org will get more like 10k downloads per month.
• 1988[17:22:51] <quarterback> So its like 10k x 3.5 GB per month at most.
• 1989[17:22:57] <jelly> downloads of what? People only download packages that have updates, or pacakges they want to install
• 1990[17:23:34] <quarterback> First they download the whole distribution, then updates. Updates are probably less than 300 MB per month per user.
• 1991[17:23:57] <quarterback> The whole linux setup for the first time in iso or network install is about 3.5 GB.
• 1992[17:24:25] <jelly> that can vary wildly depending on what the user chooses in the installer
• 1993[17:24:31] <jelly> and how fresh the installer is
• 1994[17:24:41] <Haohmaru> "i want to try all the DEs \o/"
• 1995[17:24:49] <quarterback> Yes, it can vary. I just selected the median.
• 1996[17:24:51] <Haohmaru> "and all the kernelz"
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• 1998[17:24:55] <jelly> also, iso images are mirrored separately from the repos
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• 2000[17:25:38] <jelly> I see traffic from daily ftpsync of about: rsync-ftpsync.log.3:2020/02/23 17:49:50 [21795] Total bytes received: 3809504306
• 2001[17:25:44] <jelly> 3-4GB
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• 2005[17:26:38] <jelly> that will be the same for any full mirror. Traffic from actual users may vary.
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• 2010[17:28:35] <Haohmaru> that would rise significantly during that day when i tried to "convert" my 32bit debian to 64bit without reinstalling
• 2011[17:28:58] <quarterback> Syncing just the mirror files is about 4 GB per day which is like 48 GB per month. Upload size per month depends on users.
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• 2017[17:33:14] <quarterback> jelly, How often do you have to change your server HDD or SSD for maintaining a active debian mirror?
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• 2040[17:42:57] <jelly> quarterback: that's really hard to tell as the VM is sharing disk array backend with 50-200 more VMs.
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• 2042[17:43:33] <quarterback> jelly, Do you have a hosting company?
• 2043[17:43:35] <Haohmaru> quarterback r u gonna run that thing on yer own comput0r?
• 2044[17:43:42] <jelly> quarterback: I work for an ISP.
• 2045[17:44:16] <quarterback> Haohmaru, If I had a fixed IP adresss and bandwidth, I would. I dont think I can at the moment.
• 2046[17:44:24] <Haohmaru> jelly ah, u cheat0r, ur next to the big internet pipez
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• 2049[17:44:42] <jelly> they're not THAT big, it's a small ISP
• 2050[17:44:50] <Haohmaru> doesn't matter
• 2051[17:45:34] <quarterback> Haohmaru, We dont have a submarine cable in our state in india and we buy bandwidth from other states. If we had our our submarine cable with 6 to 12 Tbps bandwidth, we can begin to host linux mirrors.
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• 2054[17:46:33] <Haohmaru> wow, packetz going underwater o_O
• 2055[17:46:41] <Haohmaru> i haven't thought about that
• 2056[17:46:51] <Haohmaru> i hope they seal them well
• 2057[17:46:55] <quarterback> Haohmaru, Bandwidth here is quite expensive like for 10 Gbps unlimited uplink costs with mumbai or chennai for about 500k usd per year
• 2058[17:47:45] <RonWhoCares> Could someone tell me what needs to change to accept this package "N: Skipping acquire of configured file 'main/binary-arm64/Packages' as repository 'replaced-url
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• 2060[17:48:12] <quarterback> Whoever has that internet pipe tries to overcharge people as they are mostly lunatics.
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• 2062[17:49:46] <jelly> RonWhoCares: postgres people do not build packages for arm64 right now apparently, so you'd have to convince them to start doing so, and putting them in a repo
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• 2064[17:50:31] <RonWhoCares> so I'd have to build it like I just did for the raspberry PI?
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• 2066[17:50:46] <jelly> RonWhoCares: that would also work, yes
• 2067[17:50:51] <RonWhoCares> ok
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• 2069[17:51:15] <jelly> if you visit apt.postgresql.org it says: Architectures: amd64 (64-bit x86), i386 (32-bit x86), ppc64el (little-endian 64-bit POWER)
• 2070[17:53:52] <quarterback> Haohmaru, People here also dont want to look stupid by putting a advanced operating system which they cant make themselves on their own. There are lot of reasons for making hosting and internet very expensive.
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• 2073[17:54:27] <jelly> ,v postgresql --release stretch --arch arm64
• 2074[17:54:28] <judd> Package: postgresql on arm64 -- stretch: 9.6+181+deb9u3
• 2075[17:54:43] <jelly> ,v postgresql --arch arm64
• 2076[17:54:44] <judd> Package: postgresql on arm64 -- jessie: 9.4+165+deb8u3; jessie-security: 9.4+165+deb8u4; stretch: 9.6+181+deb9u3; stretch-security: 9.6+181+deb9u3; buster: 11+200+deb10u3; buster-security: 11+200+deb10u3; bullseye: 12+211; sid: 12+211
• 2077[17:54:55] <jelly> RonWhoCares: 9.6 is too old for you?
• 2078[17:54:57] <Haohmaru> hm
• 2079[17:55:28] <RonWhoCares> jelly: Not necessarily
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• 2081[17:55:48] <jelly> try the one available in the distro, then
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• 2084[17:56:24] <jelly> or do a release upgrade to debian 10 if that's possible
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• 2086[17:56:35] <RonWhoCares> jelly: I've just upgraded my other 2 servers to Debian 10 and postgresql 12. The final server needs more prep work before I can update it to debian 10
• 2087[17:57:01] <RonWhoCares> I was wondering if I could install Postgresql 12 so I am using the same database version at least.
• 2088[17:57:26] <RonWhoCares> Although the servers don't connect to each other databases. They use an API I programed.
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• 2118[18:18:15] <MicroJoe> je
• 2119[18:18:29] <MicroJoe> ^ ignore, wrong window
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• 2121[18:19:37] <MicroJoe> hi, I have just done this modification in the Debian wiki: replaced-url
• 2122[18:19:50] <MicroJoe> should I propagate this change to all the translations of the wiki pages?
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• 2124[18:21:02] <dob1> I don't see any service for it
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• 2136[18:28:13] <jhutchins_wk> dob1: Does service lightdm status return anything?
• 2137[18:29:05] <dob1> ah there is !
• 2138[18:29:16] <dob1> I checked before and it was not present
• 2139[18:29:19] <dob1> boh...
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• 2183[18:56:09] <jsync> Hey, what's the package for glibc?
• 2184[18:56:21] <jelly> libc6
• 2185[18:56:39] <jelly> jsync: why do you ask?
• 2186[18:57:14] <jsync> Thanks, jelly. I did apt-cache search, & that's what showed, though I wanted to make sure.
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• 2190[18:57:49] <jsync> I'm getting GLIBC_2.15 not found with a software I compiled.
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• 2192[18:58:45] <jsync> libc6 was installed already. 😕
• 2193[18:59:01] <greycat> well, obviously... your computer wouldn't boot without it
• 2194[18:59:04] <jelly> jsync: you compiled the software on an incompatible system with a newer glibc
• 2195[18:59:38] <jsync> Yeah, it seems so. I compiled the software in Ubuntu.
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• 2197[18:59:54] <greycat> You need to compile it on the system it's going to run on, or an OLDER system. Never a newer system.
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• 2199[19:00:08] <jsync> I wonder if I could go older & recompile.
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• 2201[19:00:16] <jelly> jsync: build it on the same distro and release and architecture that it's going to be run on. does not have to be the same machine.
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• 2204[19:01:33] <jsync> It's because I'm putting off upgrading this system really, though I wanted more time so I could make the transition more organized.
• 2205[19:02:02] <jelly> ,v libc6
• 2206[19:02:03] <judd> Package: libc6 on amd64 -- jessie: 2.19-18+deb8u10; jessie-security: 2.19-18+deb8u10; stretch-security: 2.24-11+deb9u1; stretch: 2.24-11+deb9u4; buster: 2.28-10; bullseye: 2.29-10; sid: 2.29-10; experimental: 2.30-0experimental2
• 2207[19:02:56] <jelly> so you have at best a debian 7 there
• 2208[19:02:59] <greycat> wheezy has 2.13, so he must be on wheezy or older
• 2209[19:03:26] <jsync> It's my own 32 bit Debian build control system for my older machines, though it's my main home-network system. I've got Debian Stretch source files, though I haven't installed that yet.
• 2210[19:03:38] <jelly> /o\
• 2211[19:04:04] <jsync> Yeah, it's 32 bit Wheezy.
• 2212[19:04:36] <jelly> (skipping releases is not supported, hope you have only deb-src from stretch)
• 2213[19:04:59] <jsync> It's my stable 32 bit system for my older machines. I've worked on it for years. It's my favorite Debian release.
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• 2216[19:05:44] <jsync> I'm gonna do a fresh install of Stretch.
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• 2218[19:05:44] <terrell> I have some IBM Model-M keyboards and they have speakers inside. What (if anything) is the speaker used for?
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• 2221[19:06:34] <jelly> jsync: if you're going fresh, why not buster
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• 2224[19:07:48] <jelly> it's been 6+ months and 3 point releases
• 2225[19:08:22] <greycat> buster is already crawling around, looking for electrical outlets to stick its fingers into
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• 2227[19:08:36] <jelly> terrell: do those have PS/2 connectivity or even older (AT?)
• 2228[19:08:46] <terrell> I have Stretch running on a machine and I'm looking to upgrade to Buster. But - I wanna do it my way and update-grub so far is not working... I think some have spun me around and pointed me in the right direction before - is there a good DOC I can read. So far - I need to check the config files. Eventually I do NOT want to use install media and I want to boot directly from Stretch into Buster via a new version/installation of Grub (and Buster) on a
• 2229[19:08:46] <terrell> different HDD
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• 2232[19:09:11] <greycat> dpkg, stretch->buster
• 2233[19:09:11] <dpkg> Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> replaced-url
• 2234[19:09:12] <terrell> jelly - guess what? I have BOTH. But these are PS/2
• 2235[19:09:37] <jelly> terrell: what you're doing is not called "upgrade", it's called "I'm planning a fresh installation of buster onto a second disk"
• 2236[19:09:37] <izmar> I messed up my plasma KDE while apt removing some packages in Debian 10. Now my login screen looks like this: replaced-url
• 2237[19:10:10] <terrell> jelly - thanks for the "update" - ya - I'm building a rescue disk.
• 2238[19:10:17] <greycat> I'm pretty sure terrell was terr_ last week, and we told them the same thing back then.
• 2239[19:10:23] <jsync> jelly, I have buster installed in my server. I just don't like it. Gnomes' new Nautilus really is terribly ridiculous imo.
• 2240[19:10:30] <jelly> terrell: maybe someone in ##hardware has a clue about the speaker
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• 2242[19:10:38] <greycat> your ... "server" ... has gnome?!
• 2243[19:10:44] <terrell> greycat, yes you did - I have been in bed 1/2 the time since then.
• 2244[19:10:45] <jelly> jsync: oh. I don't run GUI on servers.
• 2245[19:11:18] <jelly> I have however seen vendors require GUI on Linux servers, and proceed to connect to them from Windows machines over xdm.
• 2246[19:11:29] <jelly> because it's 1996 not 2020.
• 2247[19:11:37] <terrell> jelly - that isn't really the issue. Unicomp says on the one KB they can't fix the speaker - and I can't remember the speaker even being used for anything.
• 2248[19:11:45] <greycat> well sure, if it's a "server" of XDMCP for thin clients, then that makes some sense
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• 2250[19:11:58] <jsync> Well, just looking at it, it's buggy & I don't like it. MariaDB is buggy as well, & Stretch allows me to use mysql-server. etc.
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• 2252[19:12:12] <jelly> greycat: that would actually make sense, would it
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• 2254[19:12:42] <jelly> jsync: you don't have to Gnome.
• 2255[19:12:52] <terrell> jsync, is there anything Buster does that Stretch does not do?
• 2256[19:12:55] <jsync> I appreciate the help though, you guys. Have a great day!!
• 2257[19:13:07] <greycat> terrell: gets security updates longer
• 2258[19:13:08] * jelly has not seen Gnome in about a decade, maybe two
• 2259[19:13:09] <terrell> jsync, must be sumthing
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• 2261[19:13:48] <jelly> jsync: tho if mariadb-server is buggy, that could be reported and f... eh
• 2262[19:14:02] <terrell> I'm not presently planning on running any databases - but I do think I will install a VM - any suggestions which one? (VMWare or OpenBox or BOTH)
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• 2267[19:15:49] <jelly> VirtualBox, openbox is a WM I think
• 2268[19:16:13] <terrell> jelly, I thought OpenBox is a VM from Oracle
• 2269[19:16:17] <jelly> go with native kvm instead. Not sure which UI.
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• 2271[19:16:35] <FuturePilot> OpenBox is a WM
• 2272[19:16:49] <terrell> Kvm - I need to learn about it.
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• 2275[19:17:29] <jelly> FuturePilot: perhaps that's just a VM made by future space faring Russians.
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• 2280[19:18:52] <terrell> jelly, thanx for the tip on KVM. I will install it. Since I need to test Buster - why not do it in a VM? then when its working - then try booting.
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• 2282[19:20:09] <deadrom> hi all
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• 2284[19:21:06] <deadrom> bit of a situation: deb8 server, OS on RAID1 failing. one disk down, one dying. seperate set of disks form raid5, I'd like to shut them down before cutting power
• 2285[19:21:14] <terrell> BBL - I'm off to read up on kvm
• 2286[19:21:15] <deadrom> umount does not work.
• 2287[19:21:29] <RonWhoCares> I am getting the error "configure: error: zlib library not found" which is the package I install for Debian 9 (stretch)
• 2288[19:21:37] <asarch> For some reason, Xen causes a kernel panic at boot time. I would like to know the reason of this kernel panic. Is there any way to know it?
• 2289[19:21:48] <greycat> if you're compiling something that needs zlib, try installing zlib1g-dev
• 2290[19:22:04] <jelly> deadrom: shut down all apps writing to the raid5, if that fails remount all the filesystems on it read-only
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• 2294[19:22:44] <jelly> RonWhoCares: if you're building things, might as well go ahead and install build-essential
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• 2296[19:23:05] <jelly> RonWhoCares: what is it that you are building?
• 2297[19:23:20] <jelly> postgresql?
• 2298[19:24:11] <RonWhoCares> I was going to give it a try
• 2299[19:24:37] <RonWhoCares> - the folks in #postgresql told me Debian allows multiple versions of postgresql to run concurrently on Debian on different ports
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• 2302[19:24:56] <RonWhoCares> This is also so I can learn all the commands I've been trying
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• 2304[19:25:06] <jelly> judd: checkbackport postgresql --fromrelease sid --torelease stretch
• 2305[19:25:07] <judd> Backporting package postgresql in sid→stretch/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using stretch.
• 2306[19:25:53] <izmar> Does anyone know what it could mean if my plasma lock screen looks like this: replaced-url
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• 2311[19:27:04] <jelly> judd: checkbackport postgresql-11 --fromrelease sid --torelease stretch
• 2312[19:27:15] <judd> Backporting package postgresql-11 in sid→stretch/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: clang-9 [!alpha !hppa !hurd-i386 !ia64 !kfreebsd-amd64 !kfreebsd-i386 !m68k !powerpc !riscv64 !sh4 !sparc64 !x32], llvm-9-dev [!alpha !hppa !hurd-i386 !ia64 !kfreebsd-amd64 !kfreebsd-i386 !m68k !powerpc !riscv64 !sh4 !sparc64 !x32].
• 2313[19:27:21] <jelly> eeyup.
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• 2315[19:28:34] <jelly> "postgresql" is just some debian-specific scaffolding
• 2316[19:29:50] <jelly> RonWhoCares: if you're going to build your own Pg and put it somewhere in /usr/local it's probably not going to use Debian's support for multiple versions
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• 2318[19:32:35] <asarch> Sorry, sorry. I am having kernel panics even with any kernel at all
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• 2320[19:33:15] <asarch> Anyway, is there any way to check why a kernel is failing (a saved log before the tragedy)?
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• 2322[19:34:07] <jelly> asarch: usually only if you prepared for that output to be saved in advance. Like a serial console.
• 2323[19:35:09] <asarch> I see
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• 2325[19:35:48] <RonWhoCares> I may have hit a roadblock I can't get around
• 2326[19:36:07] <jelly> asarch: or a crashdump kernel. or this thing: replaced-url
• 2327[19:36:25] <jelly> none of those are default however
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• 2329[19:36:26] <RonWhoCares> replaced-url
• 2330[19:36:44] <RonWhoCares> Can I install 'bison'?
• 2331[19:36:52] <jelly> RonWhoCares: I'd install "bison" if I saw that
• 2332[19:36:57] <PipeItToDevNull> I want fqdn to be used in syslog, it only shows my short name. How can I change that
• 2333[19:37:05] <Gt15> no problem with you SKELL links onto userdir $HOME, from nogroup folder/subdirs
• 2334[19:37:17] <Gt15> struct
• 2335[19:37:34] <RonWhoCares> jelly: I already tried: replaced-url
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• 2340[19:39:11] <annadane> can someone remind me of the command to follow logs as they appear?
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• 2342[19:39:14] <annadane> not journalctl
• 2343[19:39:26] <annadane> or rather, follow a specific log for new entries
• 2344[19:39:34] <jelly> RonWhoCares: mm. Two things: does "/usr/bin/bison --version" say something? and unrelated, could you not find a better place to unpack source code than /var/lib/postgresql ??
• 2345[19:39:48] <jelly> annadane: tail -f ?
• 2346[19:39:53] <annadane> yeah, thanks
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• 2348[19:40:25] <greycat> tail -F is nice, because it keeps following the file by *name* even if it gets rotated
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• 2350[19:40:26] <RonWhoCares> jelly: bison (GNU Bison) 3.0.4
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• 2352[19:40:46] <RonWhoCares> As for the directory: I didn't realize
• 2353[19:41:01] <asarch> Thank you jelly, thank you very much! :-)
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• 2356[19:41:32] <jelly> RonWhoCares: and now you're getting into "how to make this software build from source" teritory, avoiding that is a major reason why people use distros :-)
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• 2358[19:41:57] <RonWhoCares> ok
• 2359[19:42:10] <RonWhoCares> What is the newest version of postgresql available from the distro?
• 2360[19:42:16] <RonWhoCares> for Debian Stretch
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• 2363[19:42:32] <jelly> 9.6 is the only version available for stretch
• 2364[19:42:40] <jelly> ... from debian.org
• 2365[19:43:18] <RonWhoCares> ok
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• 2420[20:08:24] <NetTerminalGene> guys, i have intel hd 630 gpu. gnome activities animation sometimes lags. is it true for all intel gpus?
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• 2423[20:09:12] <NetTerminalGene> i mean, it immediately shows windows but animations lags
• 2424[20:09:33] <openface> how can i incrase space for /boot partition with dd, e.g.?
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• 2432[20:13:50] <dvs> NetTerminalGene, try installing the firmware-misc-nonfree package
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• 2435[20:14:41] <dvs> openface, personally I'd use gparted but that's me
• 2436[20:14:54] <NetTerminalGene> dvs, no
• 2437[20:15:05] <NetTerminalGene> why do you think it would fix that?
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• 2440[20:15:30] <dvs> NetTerminalGene, because there's a bunch of Intel firmware files in there.
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• 2442[20:16:09] <dvs> NetTerminalGene, such as "Broxton", "Skylake", "Cannonlake", etc
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• 2446[20:16:48] <NetTerminalGene> dvs, do you know what they do?
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• 2448[20:17:27] <chmykh> Hello dear Debian users! I am new to linux, I want a stable system, but not with too old desktop software. Which verstion of Debian is for me? Thank you.
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• 2451[20:17:51] <chmykh> Or maybe not so new, but looking for migrating from win.
• 2452[20:18:02] <NetTerminalGene> chmykh, sid i thnik
• 2453[20:18:05] <phos_temp> NetTerminalGene: 10.3? The newest one ;)
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• 2456[20:18:29] <NetTerminalGene> phos_temp, ?
• 2457[20:18:31] <chmykh> NetTerminalGene: is unstable is stable enough?
• 2458[20:18:32] <phos_temp> sorry wrong user
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• 2460[20:18:42] <dvs> NetTerminalGene, the firmware files are in a subdirectory called "i915" which is a graphics chip
• 2461[20:18:57] <phos_temp> on the train - shaky keyboard :P
• 2462[20:19:26] <NetTerminalGene> dvs, how can i check what bins in that package?
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• 2464[20:19:56] <dvs> NetTerminalGene, replaced-url
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• 2466[20:20:17] <NetTerminalGene> let me check
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• 2476[20:23:21] <annadane> chmykh, it's generally trivial to get newer versions of software in debian stable
• 2477[20:23:29] <annadane> you can use testing, but i do generally recommend using stable
• 2478[20:23:32] <annadane> depends on what you need
• 2479[20:23:48] <annadane> replaced-url
• 2480[20:24:04] <chmykh> annadane: I want system for generic desktop, but with ability to install latest gimp. blender, music players, etc.
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• 2482[20:24:17] <annadane> gimp and blender are available as flatpaks
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• 2484[20:24:30] <annadane> and you can typically download what you need or compile from upstream sources generally
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• 2489[20:26:02] <chmykh> I thought flatpacks is bloating system. Or it is good way to use software?
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• 2491[20:26:15] <annadane> it's fine
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• 2493[20:27:08] <annadane> if you're willing to accept risk and keep backups and be prepared for breakage, you can use testing (less likely to break than sid, but delayed security fixes and stuff may be broken for a while) or sid (according to some people, quite usable, but more chance to break)
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• 2495[20:27:30] <chmykh> annadane: than you! And last question for today - which de/wm personally are you using?
• 2496[20:27:32] <annadane> or, use the siduction distro
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• 2498[20:27:39] <annadane> i'm on XFCE
• 2499[20:27:45] <chmykh> thx!
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• 2518[20:33:09] <jsync> Hey. When I'm making a local network mirror of a Debian system, I put deb-amd64 within the mirror list. Is the Stretch sources for 32 bit files deb-i386?
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• 2522[20:34:28] <greycat> !multiarch
• 2523[20:34:29] <dpkg> Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See replaced-url
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• 2526[20:35:02] <greycat> Re-reading the question, it sounds like ... something different, about which I have no idea.
• 2527[20:35:14] <jsync> So, deb-i386 replaced-url
• 2528[20:35:44] <jsync> In /etc/apt/mirror.list
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• 2548[20:53:39] <chmykh> Which package manager I must use? apt or apt-get?
• 2549[20:53:54] <greycat> dpkg, apt vs. apt-get
• 2550[20:53:55] <dpkg> apt is promoted over apt-get for interactive use. It uses fancy colors and has output format differences. It removes the .deb files that it downloads during an install or upgrade. It installs new packages during upgrades. apt-get has a stable command-line interface and is promoted for scripting.
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• 2554[20:55:33] <nkuttler> eh, apt deletes packages? i finally found the reason why i don't use it
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• 2559[20:57:46] <CrystalMath> ouch.. i had no idea
• 2560[20:57:52] <CrystalMath> guess it's back to apt-get for me
• 2561[20:58:04] <greycat> apt doesn't *delete packages*, at least not by default.
• 2562[20:58:14] <chmykh> greycat: thank you!
• 2563[20:58:25] <CrystalMath> it deletes the .deb instead of caching it?
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• 2565[20:58:48] <chmykh> Is it ok to use apt and apt-get together?
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• 2567[20:59:00] <BCMM> chmykh: yes. just two frontends to the same system
• 2568[20:59:10] <chmykh> BCMM: thank you very much.
• 2569[20:59:22] <BCMM> (it's also ok to use one of the many graphical frontend alongside apt/apt-get)
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• 2573[21:00:19] <BCMM> i've never really understood the point in caching .debs
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• 2575[21:00:40] <BCMM> seems like reinstalling a package is a pretty unusual thing to want to do
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• 2578[21:02:27] <nkuttler> BCMM: happens from time to time when not on stable
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• 2581[21:03:10] <greycat> BCMM: also, for some people, bandwidth may be quite precious
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• 2584[21:03:43] <nkuttler> actually.. now that i run an apt cacher on my laptop i could use apt .oO
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• 2586[21:04:54] <greycat> And... another place where caching the .deb files is highly desired is when you're using a shared /var/cache/apt directory across multiple hosts, and saving bandwidth by letting them all use the same .deb files.
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• 2589[21:05:35] * jelly "saves bandwidth" by keeping a local mirror
• 2590[21:05:57] <greycat> Yeah, this is just one of the More Than One Way To Do It.
• 2591[21:05:58] * jelly ignores the fact the mirror uses 5-10GB every day just to keep up
• 2592[21:06:09] <greycat> I use a squid proxy.
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• 2611[21:14:04] <supr3m369> Client: HexChat 2.14.3 • OS: Debian kali-rolling • CPU: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU J1900 @ 1.99GHz (2.00GHz) • Memory: Physical: 4.7 GiB Total (4.0 GiB Free) Swap: 2.0 GiB Total (2.0 GiB Free) • Storage: 17.7 GB / 80.0 GB (62.3 GB Free) • VGA: VMware SVGA II Adapter @ Intel Corporation 440FX - 82441FX PMC [Natoma] • Uptime: 40m 52s
• 2612[21:14:19] <greycat> !kali
• 2613[21:14:19] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
• 2614[21:14:34] <jelly> supr3m369: please avoid doing that in this channel unless we ask you to
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• 2617[21:15:49] <jelly> that "OS: Debian kali-rolling" makes me want to send a stern email to whoever maintains that
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• 2628[21:23:04] <rcm888> How to remove debian desktop?
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• 2631[21:25:30] <jelly> rcm888: the whole GUI, leave just console and remote access?
• 2632[21:25:46] <rcm888> jelly: yes.
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• 2634[21:27:58] <somiaj> depends on how you installed, but removing the meta packages should remove most of it
• 2635[21:28:00] <jelly> I don't know, you could start by trying to remove both backends for graphical environents: apt remove xserver-xorg-core xwayland.
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• 2638[21:29:14] <somiaj> you could also reduce yourself down to a standard install (very minimial) and only install back the pieces you want (though depends on how much server side stuff you have and want to reinstall)
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• 2641[21:29:45] <BCMM> removing the metapackage followed by autoremove, that is
• 2642[21:29:47] <jelly> somiaj: how do you do that?
• 2643[21:30:05] <somiaj> I think dpkg has a factoid, but you use aptitude search flags
• 2644[21:30:59] <jelly> dpkg has a factoid to show packages from standard
• 2645[21:30:59] <dpkg> no idea, jelly
• 2646[21:31:03] <jelly> !standard
• 2647[21:31:03] <dpkg> hmm... standard task is a "task" that should be installed on all machines during the installer stage. It installs packages that are important, required and standard (i.e. "aptitude install ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant"). Packages in the <essential> set are always installed. Also ask me about <tasksel>.
• 2648[21:31:11] <terr_> How does the kernel handle initrd? I know it is loaded at boot time. Is it used after? I suspect not. The kernel can load modules and we can do it manually with insmod... reason I ask? I just installed kvm and it built a new initrd. Why would it need to initrd? unless there is something that needs to be done at boot time... what?
• 2649[21:31:17] <jelly> somiaj: but how do you reduce the system to just those?
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• 2651[21:31:46] <somiaj> must have been somewhere else I saw it, but aptitude remove not(standard/required/important) let me look up the syntax
• 2652[21:32:41] <somiaj> aptitude remove ~pextra ~poptional (remove all extra and optional packages)
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• 2655[21:33:22] <Guest79740> hello all
• 2656[21:33:23] <jelly> ,i openssh-server
• 2657[21:33:25] <judd> Package openssh-server (net, optional) in buster/amd64: secure shell (SSH) server, for secure access from remote machines. Version: 1:7.9p1-10+deb10u2; Size: 343.9k; Installed: 1449k; Homepage: replaced-url
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• 2659[21:33:47] <jelly> rcm888: mind you, the command somiaj suggest will remove ssh server as well.
• 2660[21:33:54] <somiaj> aptitude remove !standard !required !important (remove all packages that are not standard, not required, not important)
• 2661[21:33:57] <rocha> hello all
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• 2663[21:34:03] <jelly> but it seems like a good place to start
• 2664[21:34:23] <somiaj> though I think you need to escape the ! from the shell
• 2665[21:34:47] <jelly> somiaj: care to not invent syntax, perhaps?
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• 2667[21:35:11] <somiaj> replaced-url
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• 2669[21:36:07] <somiaj> oh should include the not from above, aptitude remove ~!standard ~!required ~!important (that is how I read the docs)
• 2670[21:36:10] <jelly> you also forgot what "standard" is (a priority)
• 2671[21:36:36] <somiaj> arg, aptitude remove ~!pstandard ~!prequired ~!pimportant -- thanks
• 2672[21:36:43] <jelly> nope
• 2673[21:36:50] <jelly> you seem close though!
• 2674[21:37:19] <jelly> somiaj: maybe try and test things before suggesting them in a channel with 1500 trusting people
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• 2680[21:38:24] <jelly> or don't help while tired, I should probably follow that as well
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• 2689[21:43:39] <Organizm> guys
• 2690[21:43:43] <Organizm> wtf is rsyslog
• 2691[21:43:49] <jelly> ,i rsyslog
• 2692[21:43:50] <judd> Package rsyslog (admin, important) in buster/amd64: reliable system and kernel logging daemon. Version: 8.1901.0-1; Size: 642.8k; Installed: 1812k; Homepage: replaced-url
• 2693[21:44:05] <Organizm> does it come with?
• 2694[21:44:15] <Organizm> and running
• 2695[21:44:16] <jelly> it's a thing that writes to most the files in /var/log/
• 2696[21:44:24] <jelly> yes
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• 2698[21:44:33] <jelly> it comes... with.
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• 2700[21:44:53] <jelly> if you install the standard stuff.
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• 2702[21:45:35] <somiaj> all good advivce, so here is the search string, aptitude search '?not(?and(?priority(standard),?priority(required),?priority(important)))'
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• 2709[21:49:12] <greycat> a LISP bit my sister
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• 2711[21:50:11] <greycat> that logic doesn't look right, but what the hell do I know about this crazy Polish-notation boolean thing
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• 2713[21:50:58] <somiaj> replaced-url
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• 2716[21:53:01] <jelly> dpkg, qotd305 is <reply><somiaj> all good advivce, so here is the search string, aptitude search '?not(?and(?priority(standard),?priority(required),?priority(important)))' <greycat> a LISP bit my sister
• 2717[21:53:02] <dpkg> jelly: okay
• 2718[21:54:24] <greycat> It produces a lot of output. I'm not quite sure what the output *is*, other than a huge list of pacakges with cryptic letters before them.
• 2719[21:54:41] <jelly> somiaj: you probably want something like ?and(?not(foo),?not(bar),?not(baz)) -- only if it's none of those things
• 2720[21:55:00] <jelly> because no package ever will satisfy two different priorities
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• 2722[21:55:07] <greycat> I assumed it should've been not(or(x,y,z)).
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• 2727[21:55:43] <greycat> But... I get similar-looking results if I replace "and" with "or", so I still have no idea what it's doing.
• 2728[21:55:44] <jelly> I suspect those are equivalent
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• 2731[21:58:29] <jelly> aptitude search '~i ?not(?or(?priority(standard),?not(?priority(required)),?priority(important)))'|wc -l ... only 75
• 2732[21:58:45] <jelly> oops
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• 2739[22:02:42] <jelly> 6060 when it's correct, out of 6304 total installed packages, seems reasonable
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• 2741[22:04:47] <somiaj> ahh yea, thanks
• 2742[22:06:26] <jelly> and by correct I meant either '?and(?installed,?not(?or(?priority(standard),?priority(required),?priority(important))))'
• 2743[22:06:38] <jelly> or '?and(?installed,?and(?not(?priority(standard)),?not(?priority(required)),?not(?priority(important))))'
• 2744[22:07:08] <jelly> and now I hate s expressions forever
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• 2747[22:08:43] <jelly> also how do I have 6000 packages installed, that's a sizable % of the whole release
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• 2749[22:09:08] <greycat> 1679 here
• 2750[22:09:46] <jelly> only 335 are obsolete/local. Ah. multiarch.
• 2751[22:10:10] <jelly> now you can have two or three or everything!
• 2752[22:10:27] <jelly> of* everything
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• 2754[22:11:02] <somiaj> what is a releasse up to these days? I have 1705 packages installed and 113036 not installed.
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• 2756[22:11:47] <somiaj> assuming that is double due to multiarch, is a release up to >50,000 packages these days?
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• 2759[22:12:27] <greycat> replaced-url
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• 2766[22:14:32] <jelly> replaced-url
• 2767[22:14:47] <jelly> that is, in fact, over 59000
• 2768[22:15:19] <somiaj> so 6000/60000 = 1/10 (assuming no multi arch, you are reaching 10%)
• 2769[22:15:26] <jelly> I don't have double of everything, only 342 amd64 packages
• 2770[22:16:40] <jelly> mostly to get some non-free 64-bit only crap running on this otherwise mostly 32bit installation
• 2771[22:16:47] <jelly> mostly
• 2772[22:17:59] <rocha> 18:15 <rocha> anyone speak portuguese ??
• 2773[22:17:59] <rocha> 18:15 -!- does: No such nick/channel
• 2774[22:18:11] <greycat> !pt
• 2775[22:18:11] <dpkg> Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-br ) - debian-user-portuguese@lists.debian.org
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• 2777[22:19:35] <jelly> #debian-br is on irc.oftc.net; the other one is pretty empty even on OFTC
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• 2787[22:22:53] <Organizm> im taking this to new level guys
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• 2794[22:24:35] <Shawn__> Hi, do you know why there is no phpmyadmin package in Debian 10 ?
• 2795[22:25:04] <greycat> replaced-url
• 2796[22:25:26] <greycat> pay particular attention to any line that says REMOVED
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• 2798[22:25:58] <somiaj> replaced-url
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• 2801[22:29:07] <mr_ab> Alllright
• 2802[22:29:12] <mr_ab> I'm .. starting to get really screwed here.
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• 2804[22:30:23] <mr_ab> How on earth do I create my own boot image? ... My main workstation has been offline for .. 3 days now .. partially my fault =) but I need to get this resolved. I downloaded a debian live CD, 10.3, and when it boots it still says it needs firmwire, despite me using the nonfree ISO
• 2805[22:30:33] <mr_ab> I seen in the logs, there is some tool, 'lwr' I think ?
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• 2810[22:33:08] <mr_ab> ... to make matters worse, I can't get any network connected, because it apparently doesn't come with any sort of wireless config stuff
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• 2815[22:38:13] <Shawn__> thank you greycat and somiaj. What does "testing" refers to?
• 2816[22:38:36] <greycat> !testing
• 2817[22:38:36] <dpkg> Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <bullseye>. See replaced-url
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• 2819[22:39:22] <greycat> Packages that fail to meet the criteria for release are typically removed during the "testing" stage of the release's lifespan. In this case, for Debian 10 "buster", it was in testing up through the first half of 2019.
• 2820[22:39:24] <mr_ab> live-wrapper, found it!... why is there so many dang tools to create live ISOs?
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• 2822[22:39:31] <greycat> So, the REMOVED in early 2019 was during buster's testing stage.
• 2823[22:40:32] <zodo> Help, I've fallen and I can't get up. OR I can't use my laptop when the lid is closed. Just the lid. I still want the acpi to work with the Power button.
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• 2826[22:41:20] <zodo> Hello greycat. Good to see you are still doing well.
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• 2828[22:42:15] <zerocool> why does debian prefer ss over netstat?
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• 2830[22:42:27] <greycat> the old net-tools are deprecated upstream
• 2831[22:42:41] <zerocool> greycat: do you know why though?
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• 2833[22:43:27] <Shawn__> greycat, thank you very much for your help and information given :)
• 2834[22:43:27] <greycat> !iproute
• 2835[22:43:28] <dpkg> [iproute] the successor to ifconfig and route and allows proper aliasing of ips rather than the old 'ip aliasing' scheme - read replaced-url
• 2836[22:43:41] <greycat> I'm sure there are other pages ...
• 2837[22:43:44] <zerocool> oh, ss is part of iproute2?
• 2838[22:44:05] <greycat> It is.
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• 2840[22:44:35] <zerocool> i see, okay. it makes sense in that imo iproute2 output is bad, just like ss's output
• 2841[22:44:38] <zerocool> again imo
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• 2844[22:46:18] <BCMM> zerocool: the old/standard networking tools still work, and will work for a long time. it's just that they do not support (and do not aim to support) all of the features of the linux network stack
• 2845[22:46:31] <tds> iproute2 also uses netlink, i've seen massive performance differences between it and old net-tools utils using the old /proc/net interfaces
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• 2850[22:48:09] <tds> i've no idea why the old interfaces are so slow, seems quite odd
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• 2853[22:55:08] <zodo> Okay, I've decided to remove acpi-support, acpi-support-base, acpid, and acpi-fakekey. I guess my problem can't be solved properly by me.
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• 2855[22:58:38] <zodo> That didn't work either. Do I need to replace my kernel or something?
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• 2860[22:59:02] <zodo> How do I completely disable ALL power management lid and such CRAP on my laptop.
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• 2867[23:00:48] <tomreyn> see logind.conf(5)
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• 2870[23:01:48] <tomreyn> i'm guessing on what you're running though since i don't think you said.
• 2871[23:02:12] <zodo> Buster
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• 2873[23:03:34] <tomreyn> should be correct then
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• 2875[23:04:01] <zodo> And if that proves to be useless? Any other ideas? because I've already been down that rabbit hole once.
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• 2886[23:12:10] <zodo> Every time an attempt fails. It takes me at least 5 minutes to try again.
• 2887[23:12:53] <zodo> And NOW when it faiils. Apparently I have to CRASH the system down power up again. Which makes it even worse.
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• 2891[23:13:54] <bacoder> hey
• 2892[23:14:05] <zodo> Hi there bac
• 2893[23:14:27] <bacoder> when I close my laptop lid and open it back the screen goes black, no reaction
• 2894[23:14:44] <bacoder> I am using gnome, neauveau and buster
• 2895[23:14:51] <zodo> Wow, and you aren't me. So.... I guess this pain is common.
• 2896[23:15:23] <bacoder> you have also experienced that?
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• 2898[23:15:52] <zodo> I'm just trying to COMPLETELY disable acpi at this point. Just don't turn my laptop off. I will do it myself.
• 2899[23:16:30] <greycat> there's probably some kernel command-line parameter you can add to disable it
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• 2902[23:16:54] <bacoder> afaik the os will not, it is just putting it in a hybernated state, correct?
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• 2907[23:17:49] <zodo> I am tyring to use the laptop as a closet server. Lid closed. I have a cat and don't want it dancing on my kebyoard.
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• 2909[23:18:38] <bacoder> okay, this is my actual laptop, I am just trying to do something
• 2910[23:19:07] <bacoder> like if I forget and I close my laptop lid the laptop needs to be hard reset
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• 2912[23:19:20] <bacoder> which is... wtf
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• 2914[23:19:48] <bacoder> so - what are my options here?
• 2915[23:19:59] <zodo> Same here. hold button Crash laptop and power on again just to use it.
• 2916[23:20:30] <greycat> replaced-url
• 2917[23:20:44] <greycat> looks like it's "acpi=off"
• 2918[23:20:54] <tomreyn> you two could review your logs and see what's logged when you trigger those acpi actions. or you could use replaced-url
• 2919[23:20:54] <bacoder> greycat: I have no idea on what acpi is, what is it?
• 2920[23:21:21] <teclo-> advanced power control interface
• 2921[23:21:23] <greycat> !acpi
• 2922[23:21:23] <dpkg> Advanced Configuration and Power Interface (ACPI) is a power management interface that gives more control to the BIOS, or horribly horribly broken, or "run this arbitrary code in ring 0", or generally better than <APM>. For a list of supported systems/BIOSes, see replaced-url
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• 2924[23:22:06] <tomreyn> this lacks a reference to WMI ;)
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• 2926[23:22:53] <bacoder> ok and if I disable it, what will happen once the lid is closed?
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• 2928[23:23:27] <greycat> 17:15 zodo> I'm just trying to COMPLETELY disable acpi at this point.
• 2929[23:23:35] <teclo-> bacoder: if you disable it, it's very likely the laptop will never go to sleep mode/suspend mode/poweroff
• 2930[23:23:39] <greycat> That's what I was answering. If it helps some other person, cool.
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• 2932[23:24:08] <BCMM> if you just *entirely* disable acpi support, can you even power the machine off from software? or do you go back to an "it is now safe to turn off your computer" type situation?
• 2933[23:24:20] <zodo> Yeah, but simply removing the acpid will NOT disable it. So, don't bother attempting that. I did. :(
• 2934[23:24:20] <teclo-> bacoder: actually you could do better than that, that is fine-tune the acpi configuration on your laptop, so that ACPI is still supported but it won't suspend or poweroff when you close the lid
• 2935[23:24:54] <zodo> teclo-: That is what I have been trying to do desperately to NO avail.
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• 2937[23:25:31] <neox> BCMM: it depends on the OS. APM can still be supported by the mobo, and if the OS handles it, it's ok to shutdown by software
• 2938[23:26:14] <zodo> Finally. acpi=off noapic seems to work well enough for me at the moment. Not sure which or both are needed to get it done.
• 2939[23:26:59] <bacoder> for fucks sake, I wasn't expecting this problem to be this annoying
• 2940[23:27:18] <zodo> Thank you greycat for reminding me I can use a boot option.
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• 2942[23:27:27] <zodo> bacoder: I feel your pain.
• 2943[23:27:56] <tomreyn> buster doesn't have any *acpi* package installed by default, and still systemd-sleep handles acpi calls fine.
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• 2947[23:28:30] <bacoder> whoops
• 2948[23:28:45] <zodo> tomreyn: Yeah, I noticed. Kernel has no problems KILLING my laptop without packages installed.
• 2949[23:29:04] <tomreyn> seems like your kernel is unreasonable mean to you
• 2950[23:29:35] <tomreyn> hopefully thats not targetted
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• 2952[23:30:14] <zodo> I'm going to use the laptop with the curren HACK for a few hours so I can get work done before trying again for a proper solution.
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• 2961[23:34:36] <ItsAlwaysDNs_> NVIDIA can fucking go bankrupt. Their driver crapped itself on a recent Debian kernel upgrade. Had to fumble around with curl and wget to download the new driver install file.
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• 2963[23:35:05] <zodo> Okay. mine is fixed. Typos Suck. How the typo got in there. I don't know.
• 2964[23:35:42] <ItsAlwaysDNs_> I'm surprised that NVIDIA allows hotlinking to their download servers. Maybe for sysadmins?
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• 2967[23:39:10] <bacoder> replaced-url
• 2968[23:39:19] <bacoder> I did this, and it 'worked'
• 2969[23:39:19] <zodo> Welcome back bacoder. I think I can help you.
• 2970[23:39:23] <zodo> Typo !!!!!!
• 2971[23:39:30] <bacoder> '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''worked'''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''
• 2972[23:39:37] <bacoder> as in , now it does nothing
• 2973[23:39:55] <bacoder> hey zodo , thank you!
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• 2977[23:41:04] <zodo> I had a typo of in the word. HandleLidSwitch=ignore ... It was HandleLidSwitct <--- Notice Switct??
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• 2979[23:41:56] <zodo> I can't swear that it was already that way. Just that I found it.
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• 2981[23:42:08] <bacoder> lol
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• 2984[23:43:10] <bacoder> god damn these osses, someday I might actually turn to templeOs instead
• 2985[23:43:14] <bacoder> or EVEN
• 2986[23:43:19] <bacoder> reactos
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• 2990[23:45:40] <Organizm> how do i update env
• 2991[23:45:43] <Organizm> variable
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• 2995[23:47:14] <bacoder> another question btw, how much of a performance downer is it to use neauveau instead of the real deal?
• 2996[23:47:33] <bacoder> specially for someone that likes to run vms
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• 2998[23:47:59] <Organizm> thats weird
• 2999[23:48:17] <tomreyn> bacoder: i think you mean nouveau, which is french for "new"
• 3000[23:48:21] <bacoder> afaik virtualization performance shouldn't get a lot from a powerfull gpu
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• 3002[23:48:32] <bacoder> tomreyn: whatever.
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• 3006[23:49:12] <tomreyn> bacoder: for lack of nvidia providing documentation, nouveau's performance especiall yin terms of acceleration lack far behind the proprietary drivers.
• 3007[23:49:31] <tomreyn> *lags
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• 3009[23:50:21] <b1ack0p> am i the only one having connection problem?
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• 3011[23:50:31] <tomreyn> if you just run headless VMs and don't need graphics card based computation, this should not matter at all for virtualization.
• 3012[23:51:19] <bacoder> yeah I get a bit of a performance penalty, but probably because of slow disk access (no ssd)
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• 3015[23:51:46] <tomreyn> b1ack0p: you're the only only one who pointed such out here recently
• 3016[23:52:00] <b1ack0p> ok
• 3017[23:53:22] <bacoder> thepiratebay.org seems odd lol
• 3018[23:53:52] <ItsAlwaysDNs_> bacoder: Dead site. There are better alternatives, but because of Freenode/channel rules, I'm not going to tell you.
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• 3021[23:54:56] <bacoder> ItsAlwaysDNs_: meh these corporate motherf*ckers
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• 3023[23:55:06] <bacoder> worry not
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• 3026[23:57:37] <terr_> I asked this in #kvm - no comment yet - I just used apt-get to install KVM in Stretch. I see there is a new initrd. do I have to reboot to use it - and no I have not read the docs yet
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• 3034[23:59:10] <tomreyn> the new initrd was probably generated to ensure the proper kvm module is loaded automatically when you boot.
• 3035[23:59:27] <tomreyn> you could load it manually, though
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• 3037[23:59:52] <tomreyn> "kvm-ok" may help you determine whether you're good to go.
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