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2 [00:00:24] <rwp> I usually start by deleting /home which
makes space and then adjusting the other sizes. I never actually
create a new /home in the installer. I will create that later.
3 [00:00:36] <cordess> i wans't happy with the size of
/boot which is a primary partition and not part of LVM
4 [00:00:48] <rwp> I have no idea why the debian-installer is
written this way. Probably a legacy of how it evolved to this point.
5 [00:01:03] <rwp> Ah... /boot. Gotcha.
6 [00:01:28] <rwp> In that case I suggest this. I suggest
making a note to yourself off to the side with all of the partitions
you wish to make and their sizes. Then starting again and doing a
manual partitioning.
7 [00:01:35] <cordess> the installer propsed a size for /boot
of around 256 MB. In my opinion this is too small for todays kernel
images.
8 [00:01:43] <rwp> Manual partitioning is actually quite easy.
And then you get exactly what you want.
9 [00:02:13] <cryptodan_mobile> cordess: that boot is likely
for efi with that size
10 [00:02:14] <rwp> For example I do not suggest a separate LVM
for /tmp unless you have a small machine. If you have enough ram
then I suggest a tmpfs /tmp instead.
11 [00:02:29] <cordess> is it possble to create the partition
with gparted outside of the debian installer and just use them after
the debian installer is booted into?
12 [00:03:05] <rwp> I agree on /boot size. I always make it 512M
in size. Since I am often installing on multi-terabyte disks. Making
the /boot a little bit large makes later things much easier.
13 [00:03:05] <iosecure> My /boot only has 70MB of stuff in it.
256MB wouldn't exactly be constraining.
14 [00:03:26] <cordess> cryptodan_monile, are you sure? /boot is
a typical part where a typical linux distribution does install its
kernel images
15 [00:03:27] <rwp> Yes. You can use a different partitioner and
then just use those partitions.
16 [00:03:41] <rwp> Again select manual partitioning and then
simply assign to the existing partitions.
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18 [00:04:38] <rwp> iosecure, It all depends upon the use model
over time. Ubuntu users routinely run into a full /boot and then
must manually prune it.
19 [00:04:47] <cordess> rwp, yes i also wondered why there was
no guided "create home, root, and var partition only"
option. I don't need /tmp either.
20 [00:04:50] <cryptodan_mobile> cordess: you dont like the
manual way
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22 [00:05:16] <rwp> I think the Ubuntu
/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01autoremove-kernels isn't sufficient to
keep the system automatically pruned.
23 [00:05:36] <rwp> But I also tend to use the /boot as a
dropbox knapsack of sorts at times too. Since it is unencrypted and
so forth.
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25 [00:06:29] <rwp> cryptodan_mobile, That is what cordess is
working through and we are talking about right now.
26 [00:06:38] <cordess> rwp, that's exactly what happened
to me on a kubuntu installation. That's why i tend to make my
primary /boot partition 2 GB in size. There is enough disk space to
do this today.
27 [00:06:59] <rwp> 2GB seems quite excessive! :-)
28 [00:07:14] <cryptodan_mobile> If using efi kernels dont get
stored in /boot
29 [00:07:37] <rwp> Note that although friends running Ubuntu
(and no jokes that friends do not let friends...) have multiple
times asked me to help them save them from a full /boot.
30 [00:07:39] <cryptodan_mobile> My /boot is only 250megs
31 [00:07:41] <rwp> But I have never seen that on a Debian
system.
32 [00:08:24] <cordess> cryptodan_mobile i don't have a
problem to do it manually. I partitioned my disks with fdisk on
Slackware 7 around 20 years ago. But partition managers like gparted
are so much more comfortable today.
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34 [00:09:10] <rwp> cordess, Since you and I are both here
chatting please give the debian-installer a try. I'll help you
through any rough parts. It is really very simple in action, just
confusing in knowing which direction to go.
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36 [00:10:41] <rwp> I suggest selecting the top selection Guided
Partitioning, selecting Guided - use entire disk, All files in one
partition. Then do it. That will wipe everything on the disk.
37 [00:11:04] <rwp> That will wipe the entire disk and put two
partitions on it. Cleaning up anything that was there before.
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40 [00:12:07] <rwp> Then go back to Manual partitioning. It will
show two partitions #1 and #5. cursor to those. cursor to delete the
partition. Delete it. Do it again for the other one.
41 [00:12:12] <cordess> rwp, okay, but how do i get to the
selection for manual. If i do select the option "Detect
disk" i always get thrown back to the proposed LVM partition
scheme
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43 [00:12:50] <rwp> TAB to Go Back. Select Partition Disks.
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49 [00:14:46] <cordess> i think i found it. I had to delete all
lvm entries manually, and also the lvm group. After that i could
delete the extended partition that was created for lvm
50 [00:15:03] <rwp> That is another way to do it.
51 [00:15:16] <rwp> The way I suggested bypassed that and had
the installer just do a clean sweep of it.
52 [00:15:29] <cordess> sadly a very cumbersome one
53 [00:16:08] <rwp> haha... If you were watching me you would
have seen three or four keystrokes and a few Enters. It all happened
in less time than it took for me to type this line.
54 [00:16:30] <rwp> Where are you now? What have you got? An
empty partition table?
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57 [00:17:26] <rwp> You have the entire disk displayed saying
FREE SPACE?
58 [00:17:36] <cordess> i had to put the virtual disk image on a
real hard drive, because i didn't have enough space for it on
my SSD. Thus this takes a little while.
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60 [00:17:47] <cordess> now the deleting of the LVM is finished.
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66 [00:19:55] <rwp> And you are at an empty partition table now?
Ready to create your /boot?
67 [00:19:58] <cordess> ok, i know set up a /boot parition with
the size of 2 GB. I also gave it a bootable flag and partition typ
is ext2 correct?
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69 [00:20:26] <rwp> 2G is a *HUGE* /boot. Are you sure that is
what you want? I suggest 512M.
70 [00:21:22] <rwp> ext2 is okay for /boot and the bootable flag
will get set automatically or not by the debian-installer for you.
71 [00:21:23] <cordess> twp, yes. in the case if i have to
switch back to kubuntu this is a good solution in my opionion
without the need to repartition everything again.
72 [00:21:40] <rwp> Okay. Then cursor down to free space and
enter.
73 [00:22:14] <rwp> I think it is self-explanatory through to
Done on that partition.
74 [00:22:18] <cordess> done. now i need to select the rest for
the lvm
75 [00:22:23] <rwp> Yes.
76 [00:22:52] <rwp> When you get to the "Use as:"
step. Select physical partition for LVM.
77 [00:23:01] <rwp> Instead of ext4 the default prompted value.
78 [00:23:03] <cordess> done that
79 [00:23:28] <rwp> Then cursor up to Configure Logical Volume
Manager.
80 [00:23:29] <cordess> now i can select "Configure the
Logical Volume Manager", right?
81 [00:23:32] <rwp> Yes
82 [00:23:45] <rwp> I am double checking and walking through
this on my system at the same time.
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84 [00:24:07] <cordess> i know, you already said that.
85 [00:24:12] <rwp> I suggest using a short <= 3 character
volume group name. Because df displays this nicely then.
86 [00:24:27] <rwp> I just said that so you know why I have
latency delays in response. :-)
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89 [00:25:00] <cordess> okay, i will call it vg1
90 [00:25:14] <rwp> Something like vg or vg1 is a good generic
name. If you have many systems and want to physically mount the disk
from one to another then having different names is convenient.
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93 [00:25:30] <rwp> RH calls it a tremendously long name and df
is inconveniently unpleasant to look at.
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95 [00:26:09] <rwp> I think you will select the right partition
and then get through to where you can Create Logical Volume. Do
that.
96 [00:26:29] <rwp> Create each of the logical volumes you wish
to create.
97 [00:26:35] <cordess> yes, i think i will now figure it out.
Thanks a lot for your help.
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99 [00:27:54] <rwp> When done hit finish. From the main
partition menu assign the partitions to the directory mount points
you wish. Assign swap to swap.
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101 [00:28:18] <rwp> The new LVs will be displayed above the
original raw partitions.
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105 [00:29:05] <cordess> Is a swap still necessary? I have 16 GB
of RAM on that machine.
106 [00:29:18] <rwp> For each of your created partitions select
it. Set the "Use as:" to ext4 or xfs or whatever you wish.
Then select the mount point for the partition.
107 [00:29:39] <rwp> That is not a simple question with a simple
answer.
108 [00:30:00] <cordess> is it required for suspend to disk?
109 [00:30:12] <rwp> I turn off linux memory overcommit on
servers and therefore require swap.
110 [00:30:21] <rwp> Yes it is required for hibernate to disk.
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112 [00:31:00] <cordess> but wasn't there some sort of
"store suspend to disk data into a file in newer kernel
versions?
113 [00:31:06] <rwp> For hibernate to disk I believe it still
needs to be as large as ram. Although I think there are compressors
available. But worst case it might not compress.
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115 [00:31:25] <rwp> I am unaware of that new feature. Possibly.
I don't know.
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117 [00:32:10] <cordess> hm, okay. what size do you propse for
/var? On my last system it was 18,6 GB in size and around 10 GB were
used.
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119 [00:33:00] <cordess> okay, i found something about that
topic:
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120 [00:33:07] <rwp> I am using 3G on most of my machines. 1.4G
used on a heavy system of mine. But you are burning space. So 6G or
10G probably for you.
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123 [00:33:30] <rwp> The default is 25G for root and 10G for /var
on a new installation.
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125 [00:34:28] <Sveta> Ultimate N WiFi Link 5300 -- does this
work with debian? what package?
126 [00:34:33] <rwp> I am using 8G for root for most of my
systems. Headless servers use less than a heavier Desktop
Environment. It's up to you.
127 [00:35:11] <rwp> Sveta, Looks like
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129 [00:35:44] <cordess> rwp, on a desktop machine i once had to
install a game and the game installer wanted > 5 GB of disk space
in /var. I used symbolic links as a workaround at that time.
130 [00:36:09] <rwp> If you have free space in the VG available
you can live lvextend the LV.
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132 [00:36:42] <rwp> After live lvextend then use the associated
file system tool to live extend the file system to the new partition
size.
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134 [00:36:56] <rwp> Therefore I always try to keep some space in
reserve on servers.
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136 [00:37:10] <rwp> Not usually installing 0AD on a server
system though. :-)
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138 [00:37:52] <rwp> Anyway... cordess are you over the hump now?
I want to say that it isn't impossible to do. Not so bad
really. Just need to know that is the direction to take to do it.
139 [00:37:57] <cordess> yes you're correct. With lvm this
isn't a real problem anymore. But back in the old days i
hadn't a LVM eneabled partition
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141 [00:38:28] <rwp> Another cool thing about lvm is that it is
possible to repackage *everything* on the fly while the system is
running.
142 [00:39:20] <rwp> For example if I have things really
disorganized and need to reflow *everything* then can add a
temporary disk array to the system. pvcreate. vgextend onto it. Then
pvmove everything from the old to the new.
143 [00:40:04] <rwp> Just pour the data from the old to the new.
Then swap disks. Or if I still want to be on the old disks and have
the patience can remove and recreate partitions on the old disks and
then pour the data all back.
144 [00:40:13] <rwp> With the result being what I need in the new
organization.
145 [00:40:35] <rwp> All while the system is online and running.
Which is pretty handy at times. But when moving lots of gigs of data
does need some patience to let it run.
146 [00:40:42] <cordess> yes, i set up now three logical volumes
for /, /home and /var. I also gave them the mount points
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148 [00:41:02] <Sveta> rwp: installed firmware-iwlwifi, I
don't think the wifi card is working though.
149 [00:41:07] <rwp> So you are good to go now! Hurray!
150 [00:41:14] <Sveta> how do I check? like view a list of nearby
networks
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152 [00:41:28] <Sveta> installed wireless-tools,
'iwlist' command not found
153 [00:41:34] <rwp> Sveta, If the device is functioning after
the modules are loaded then "ip addr show" will list them
out.
154 [00:42:06] <rwp> If you see the device you can probe further
with "ethtool wlan0" or whatever the new device names are
called. ethtool is a separate package.
155 [00:42:09] <Sveta> rwp
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157 [00:42:32] <rwp> Looks good. wlp40s0 is the new device.
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159 [00:42:55] <cordess> rwp, yes thanks for your help.
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161 [00:43:25] <rwp> Sveta, What wifi manager are you using?
NetworkManager? WICD? Other?
162 [00:43:28] <Sveta> rwp
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163 [00:43:40] <cordess> Now i will do a litlte research about
this swap parition thing. If suspend to disk works without it, i
won't need it.
164 [00:43:55] <rwp> You can also probably create a swapfile too.
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166 [00:44:43] <rwp> On servers I always disable
linux-memory-overcommit. Because the OOM Killer can be brutal and
inaccurate about the target.
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168 [00:45:21] <Sveta> rwp I have nmtui probably
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170 [00:45:34] <cordess> rwp, what does the
linux-memory-overcommit do?
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174 [00:45:50] <rwp> Try this: wpa_cli scan; sleep 5; wpa_cli
scan_results
175 [00:46:31] <rwp> Oh, iw is probably nicer. Try this: iw dev
wlan0 scan | less
176 [00:46:57] <rwp> Hopefully you will see access points in the
list. If so then the device is working.
177 [00:47:24] <Sveta> rwp: nmtui works, not sure why it
doesn't automatically connect when I log in
178 [00:47:51] <rwp> Working with NetworkManager is like being at
a petting zoo where all of the animals are spiders and feral cats.
179 [00:48:26] <cordess> which desktop environment is Debian
using by default?
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181 [00:48:56] <n4dir> probably one could answer
"gnome", but you get to make that choice during
installation.
182 [00:48:58] <cordess> i am in the software selection menu. And
there is this option "Debian desktop environment". I
wonder which one Debians uses as defauilt.
183 [00:49:03] <n4dir> so "default" is a bit misleading
184 [00:49:15] <Sveta_> rwp: nmtui works, not sure why it
doesn't automatically connect when I log in
185 [00:49:29] <cordess> n4dir, well it's preselected
186 [00:49:37] <n4dir> cordess: there are no other environments
listed? it only says "desktop environment" ?
187 [00:49:46] <cordess> Gnome, XFCE, KDE, Cinnamon, Mate, LXDE
are unselected
188 [00:49:57] <Sveta_> yes that's confusing i saw it too
189 [00:50:05] <Sveta_> 'desktop env' on one line,
'... gnome' on next
190 [00:50:06] <n4dir> ah, yes, thats how i remember it too. I
think gnome is the "default".
191 [00:50:11] <cordess> n4dir It says "Debian desktop
environment" i do wonder what that is.
192 [00:50:13] <Sveta_> unclear which one it means
193 [00:50:14] <rwp> IIRC it has been GNOME. But I don't
actually know at this time.
194 [00:50:37] <Sveta_> file a bug report if you want someone to
make this less confusing :)
195 [00:50:42] <cordess> i will choose kde
196 [00:50:55] <rwp> That part isn't actually in the
installer. It is just part of the aptitude tags.
197 [00:51:22] <rwp> Those at home can follow along by typing
"tasksel -t" in a terminal as non-root.
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200 [00:52:00] <rwp> Hmm... I guess it does need root. But the -t
is test mode and doesn't actually do anything other than say
what it would do.
201 [00:52:10] <cordess> interesting i can unseleect "Debian
desktop environment"
202 [00:52:17] <rwp> apt-get -q -y -o
APT::Install-Recommends=true -o APT::Get::AutomaticRemove=true -o
APT::Acquire::Retries=3 install task-desktop
203 [00:52:56] <rwp> task-desktop is a meta-package that
Recommends: task-gnome-desktop so GNOME would be the default
default.
204 [00:53:28] <rwp> cordess, Sure! I *always* unselect desktop.
:-) I add in anything I want later.
205 [00:53:29] <cordess> rwp, ah thanks. So if i don't want
have Gnome installed on my system i have to unselect "Debian
desktop environment"
206 [00:53:33] <cordess> right?
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208 [00:53:37] <rwp> Rigt.
209 [00:53:53] <rwp> And if you want something different, at
install time, then you can select one of the others.
210 [00:54:09] <rwp> And later you can always install whatever
you want. Or remove/purge whatever you want.
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212 [00:54:50] <cordess> print server is preselected to. Is it
required if i have a printer in my network?
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214 [00:55:28] <cordess> sometimes i need to print into pdf. is
the print server required to do this?
215 [00:56:07] <rwp> I don't know.
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217 [00:56:42] <rwp> task-print-server Depends: tasksel (= 3.39),
cups, cups-client, cups-bsd ; Recommends: foomatic-db-engine,
printer-driver-all, hplip, hp-ppd, openprinting-ppds
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220 [00:57:16] <cordess> found something about this question here
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224 [00:58:30] <rwp> Yes. Note that task-print-server brings in
more than just the single "cups" package but also the
others as noted above.
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226 [00:59:43] <cordess> rwp, so do you recommend it? It's
for a desktop machine
227 [01:00:01] <rwp> If you are setting up a desktop then I would
pick it for install. It isn't too heavy.
228 [01:00:18] <rwp> And then most things should "just
work". Which is the point of the task-* packages.
229 [01:00:45] <cordess> okay, i will do that. usually i also
install the ssh server too but this test run is only a vm. Here i
don't need it, but the case is different on the real machine.
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232 [01:02:30] <rwp> I almost always install ssh at the earliest
time in the installer. Because I am always using it everywhere.
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234 [01:02:45] <rwp> but again, the OS is a framework. You get to
choose what you want to do with it as you go along.
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237 [01:03:10] <rwp> Think of it like a book case in your house.
What books are in your book case? It is something that might be
different for each of us.
238 [01:04:06] <rwp> Seeing that Sveta quit I am hoping it is not
because networking is really broken there now! :-}
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246 [01:06:27] <cordess> :)
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249 [01:07:07] <cordess> okay, i read though that swap file
article. It's quite a hassle especially with systemd. I think i
take the easy way and create a swap partition.
250 [01:07:38] <Sveta> rwp, it is ok, it seems now it also comes
back after reboot automatically also :)
251 [01:07:47] <rwp> Cool! :-)
252 [01:07:55] <cordess> but on the other side, boooting up a
system from a SSD is so fast today, i am really not sure if
hibernate to disk is really ncessary. And there is still suspend to
ram if the power grid is reliable.
253 [01:08:01] <Sveta> whats the easy to use bluetooth gui? i
think this laptop might have bluetooth in it
254 [01:08:28] <rwp> NM saves state in /var somewhere as to the
last thing it did. I think (not sure) that upon restart it tries to
recreate the last state it was in.
255 [01:09:28] <rwp> cordess, There is also the option of doing
both suspend-ram plus hiberate-disk. Then upon restart it comes back
from whichever it can. However the save to disk part with 16G of ram
can be a slow long time.
256 [01:10:26] <rwp> man pm-suspend-hybrid for details on that
option.
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258 [01:10:52] <rwp> Sveta, I don't know but... blueman?
259 [01:10:59] <rwp> I have not used it.
260 [01:11:29] <Sveta> ok
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262 [01:12:01] <rwp> As a side-effect "rfkill list"
will show the radio devices. If you have bluetooth it will be
listed.
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268 [01:13:08] <cordess> okay, test installation is done and
working. I will do the installation on the real machine tomorrow.
It's getting late.
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271 [01:14:36] <rwp> cordess, You should be good to go. Next time
it will be encrypted lvm on raid partitions on a uefi system!
Setting that up manually is a little convoluted. :-)
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275 [01:16:00] <cordess> i allready use lVM + encryption on my
main machine. But this debian installation is for my parents and
there i don't want have them to enter a key to have decrypted
acces to the drive.
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277 [01:17:53] <cordess> i am not sure if it is possible to use
encyption without the need to enter a password for the decryption on
reboot.
278 [01:18:18] <n4dir> i think it would be possible, not sure
what would be the point of it though.
279 [01:18:21] <cordess> at least if there is only one drive in
the computer.
280 [01:18:30] <n4dir> kinda have it in a file (the password).
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282 [01:18:55] <cordess> On my FreeNAS it is possible, but the
decryption key is stored on another drive.
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284 [01:19:19] <cordess> Thus it's possible to boot the NAS
up without the need to enter some sort of key PW.
285 [01:19:30] <n4dir> ah, at least that would explain (to me) a
use-case for such a setup. Friend of mine fooled with it, but it is
years ago
286 [01:19:46] <cordess> and the data on the drive is protected
if i have to sent them to the manufactorer for a replacement.
287 [01:19:54] <n4dir> yup. got you.
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292 [01:23:46] <cordess> if drive encyption works with a
kerbneros key server that would be fine.
293 [01:23:47] <rwp> For your parents go for simplicity that you
can maintain.
294 [01:24:00] <cordess> rwp, i agree
295 [01:24:17] <rwp> For yourself for fun look up mandos and hack
it to pull the password from other places.
296 [01:24:37] <rwp> We have joked here that we should put a
camera on the computer, along with a poster with a QR code on the
wall where it looks.
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298 [01:24:51] <rwp> If someone were to steal the system they
would probably leave the poster behind.
299 [01:25:08] <rwp> But actually I wouldn't do that because
I think there are much better ways.
300 [01:25:20] <cryptodan_mobile> cordess: alsokeepin mind data
recovery time for parents if need be.
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302 [01:25:43] <rwp> +1! Backup is very important.
303 [01:25:59] <n4dir> and make it two.
304 [01:26:01] <cordess> rwp; lol this is funny
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308 [01:27:04] <rue_shop3> how can I get X to accept incomming
connections?
309 [01:28:01] <n4dir> rue_shop3: not clue, but xhost comes to my
mind
310 [01:28:04] <rwp> rue_shop3, By default X is no longer
listening on the network accessible port.
311 [01:28:31] <cordess> i think the best option would be to buy
a small ssd and put it in the computer. Then the decryption keys can
be stored on that drive and the data on the other is encrypted. And
with such a setup it is probably not required to enter a PW after
every reboot to decrpyt the drive. The only drawback is, that it
doesn't help if someone steals the whole computer.
312 [01:28:48] <rwp> See "man Xserver" and look for
/-listen tcp
313 [01:28:55] <cordess> a usb flash media might do the job too.
314 [01:29:01] <rwp> However I suggest tunneling over ssh first.
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316 [01:29:30] <rwp> rue_shop3, Back up a level please and say
what the top level task goal is?
317 [01:30:03] <cryptodan_mobile> If you cant be there in a bind
and they need to take their PC to shop the data recovery will be
difficult for that shop if encrypted
318 [01:30:03] <rwp> Othwerise you can use "ssh -X
remotehost" and then "xclock" and it will tunnel the
xclock back through the ssh connection.
319 [01:30:48] <cordess> gladly they don't live too far
away.
320 [01:30:59] <rwp> cryptodan_mobile, No consumer service shop
(thinking the big box shops) will know anything about any non-MS or
non-Apple system. Sorry. We are not there yet.
321 [01:31:02] <watchcat> usb with keys, or yubikey
322 [01:31:23] <cordess> sry, meant fortunately
323 [01:31:30] <rue_shop3> n4cht, things in debain disables it,
like rwp says
324 [01:31:41] <rwp> cordess, And I am sure you will set up a
tunnel from their box back to yours anyway so that you can log in
remotely. That is what I do.
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326 [01:31:57] <rue_shop3> but I dont know where to make the
change to enble it,
327 [01:32:01] <iosecure> rue_shop3: What are you trying to
accomplish?
328 [01:32:16] <rue_shop3> rwp, I have a debian machine that cant
run what I need to
329 [01:32:24] <rue_shop3> so I have a fresh 64 bit machine on a
rack
330 [01:32:44] <rue_shop3> because I have programs that keep me
from upgrading the machine I'm working on
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332 [01:32:51] <cordess> rwp; well i could do that but i
don't want have an open ssh port reachable from the internet.
333 [01:32:56] <rue_shop3> I can run the other stuff on the 64
bit machine
334 [01:33:01] <rwp> From your desktop client run "ssh -X
rackmachine" to log in and then run your X client and it should
display on your display.
335 [01:33:15] <cryptodan_mobile> For parents and ease of use
I'd let them use windows
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337 [01:33:23] <cordess> with static ips this would be a
different story
338 [01:34:00] <cordess> with such i could use the firewall to
let only connections from my IP address connect to the ssh server.
But here, the ip usualy changes
339 [01:34:00] <rwp> cordess, You seem like the type of person
who would enjoy keeping a static IP server on the net for $5/month
or less from a commodity VPS hosting company.
340 [01:34:21] <rue_shop3> :) ok
341 [01:34:40] <rwp> Keep it updated with security upgrades
daily. Use long unguessable truly random passwords. Run fail2ban to
keep the noise in the log files down. No problem!
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343 [01:35:02] <cordess> cryptodan_mobile, me definitaly not. To
much work to keep the window system clean.
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345 [01:35:24] <cryptodan_mobile> Its painless really
346 [01:35:27] <rue_shop3> did you know all those login attempts
come from one 'person'
347 [01:35:27] <rue_shop3> ?
348 [01:35:38] <cordess> if it is my own machine this ins't
a problem. But my parents are a little older, they might click on
something they shouldn't click on.
349 [01:35:39] <watchcat> run the old version in a vm
350 [01:35:39] <rue_shop3> I been logging the username/password
attempts
351 [01:35:48] <cryptodan_mobile> No virus or malware infections
for me since 1993
352 [01:36:03] <iosecure> It is amazing the kind of false
"wisdom" that gets thrown around in IRC.
353 [01:36:32] <rwp> I converted my 80yo airplane mechanic and
his wife from Windows to a Debian installation running Cinamon with
the largest fonts available.
354 [01:36:50] <rue_shop3> for about 3 months (I forgot it was
going)
355 [01:36:53] <cordess> rwp; there is still the option of zero
day exploits
356 [01:36:53] <rwp> She loves the machine. She says everything
is fast. And I told her do not worry about viruses or upgrades as
that will all be automated.
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358 [01:37:33] <rue_shop3> windows has automated upgrades weekly!
359 [01:37:35] <rwp> cordess, I also recommend running
'aide' too. But it is a huge noise source until you
actively drive hard on it. Also 'logcheck'.
360 [01:37:46] <cordess> cryptodan_mobile How can you be sure?
361 [01:37:46] <rue_shop3> and at work, we have a computer tech
that comes in weekly to get the computers running again!
362 [01:38:08] <rwp> I have always done my own automation for
daily upgrades but others use unattended-upgrades so it must work. I
need to look into that one of these days.
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365 [01:39:15] <cryptodan_mobile> I know how my pcs run
366 [01:39:50] <rwp> My work here is to be that computer tech to
go into clients and fix their systems. So I am biased about how easy
it is to get things set up nicely, securely, and keep them updated.
367 [01:41:04] <rwp> I was very happy to see how quickly my 80
year olds took to the Debian desktop system. They only do web
browsing, which is also their email, and printing.
368 [01:42:00] <cordess> okay, i have to go offline now.
It's getting really late. Thanks a lot for all your help and
have a good night.
369 [01:42:09] <rwp> Good night!
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372 [01:42:36] <cordess> good night.
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379 [01:49:18] <rue_shop3> ssh works great, thanks!
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381 [01:50:50] <annadane> secure shallots
382 [01:50:52] * annadane munch
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385 [01:51:59] <rwp> Secure onions? shallots == onions, right?
386 [01:52:13] <annadane> yeah
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388 [01:52:27] <rwp> I love grilled onions. YUM!
389 [01:52:39] <annadane> they're delicious in tuna
sandwiches
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392 [01:52:58] <cryptodan_mobile> Liver and onions here
393 [02:00:45] <watchcat> i like to nuke some cheese and onions
between two slices of salami and throw it on rye bread with mayo and
lettuce.
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404 [02:10:50] <Mathisen> what is the recommended way to get php
7.1 or higher on stretch ? i dont really like adding random ppa to
apt
405 [02:11:58] <dvs> ,v php
406 [02:12:00] <judd> Package: php on amd64 -- stretch: 1:7.0+49;
buster: 2:7.3+69; sid: 2:7.3+69
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410 [02:13:34] <Mathisen> so i need to feel brave and start using
buster ?
411 [02:14:01] <watchcat> or run it in a vm.
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413 [02:15:29] <geoton> question, I cannot fix bunsenlabs linux
display resolution in oracle virtualbox, can you help me?
Appreciated
414 [02:15:55] <geoton> on xrandr query I get a list with max
1024 and a message : "Failed to get size of gamma for output
default"
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416 [02:17:23] <Mathisen> i would prefer to not start with buster
as i need to upgrade and i got several web services running on the
machine i need php 7.1 on. some of the services i use is not
complaining on to old php version :/
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418 [02:18:02] <Mathisen> is now complaining* and i dont know if
the upgrade will work. i would prefer on clean install on dist
upgrades
419 [02:18:24] <Mathisen> is there really no other
"sane" way to do this ?
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421 [02:20:18] <annadane> !bunsenlabs
422 [02:20:18] <dpkg> BunsenLabs Linux is a community
continuation of <crunchbang> that features the <Openbox>
window manager. It is not supported in #debian.
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423 [02:20:22] <annadane> geoton, ^
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425 [02:22:07] <geoton> roger
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429 [02:28:14] <geoton> can you reccomend a lightweight 64bit
debian based distro fo a VM to run a db and python?
430 [02:28:31] <iosecure> Debian?
431 [02:28:41] <Mathisen> yeah i agree debian :)
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433 [02:29:14] <Mathisen> debian is lightweight to start with if
you just skip all the gui stuff and stay with the base install
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438 [02:30:34] <geoton> ok, I am downloading the iso now :)
thanks 9.6 right?
439 [02:31:14] <annadane> yeah depending on whether you need non
free firmware or have internet access or not
440 [02:31:20] <annadane> you probably just want the netinst iso
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442 [02:31:25] <annadane> but yes, 9.6 is latest
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444 [02:31:48] <geoton> I am taking the full one 3.4 G
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448 [02:31:56] <geoton> dvd 1
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450 [02:33:11] <iosecure> If you have an internet connection
during installation, that's probably unnecessary.
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452 [02:33:31] <geoton> true, still almost there... :)
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455 [02:35:06] <geoton> one quick question if I would like to put
a desktop manager, a light an decent looking one for 9.6 what would
you reccomned? I am thinking xfce
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457 [02:35:30] <Mathisen> xfce is a great choice
458 [02:36:07] <cryptodan_mobile> I concur
459 [02:36:19] <Mathisen> if you want tileing manager i3 for
sure. can be "complex" to setup if you never done it doh
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461 [02:36:39] <geoton> k, thanks Mathisen I was thinking of
something more fun
462 [02:37:04] <geoton> roger
463 [02:37:05] <annadane> i use xfce just because it's
suited to my workflow and because i like some of the included
applications
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508 [03:36:51] <chomwitt> what are all the certs in
/etc/ssl/certs i see in a new debian 9 installation?
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513 [03:42:03] <cryptodan_mobile> chomwitt: that is for https and
other things
514 [03:42:53] <chomwitt> is there a deb package with all those
certs?
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518 [03:47:02] <cryptodan_mobile> chomwitt: I think
ca-certificates is the file
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522 [03:50:20] <chomwitt> thanks. i found it too. But why is
needed? In order for firefox to validate a site as secure?
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527 [03:53:20] <iosecure> Correct. They're the trusted root
certificate authorities.
528 [03:53:51] <iosecure> Not just Firefox, though.
529 [03:54:30] <iosecure> In general, anything making a TLS
connection is going to verify the certificate presented by the
remote server against whatever trusted authorities exist on the
system. Without that package, all of those connection attempts would
fail, reporting that the remote server's certificate can't
be validated.
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532 [03:58:53] <cryptodan_mobile> 02:42 <cryptodan_mobile>
chomwitt: that is for https and other things
533 [03:59:11] <iosecure> So yeah, what ^ said.
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542 [04:02:47] <Mathisen> RIP my 4 tb raid :( did the upgrade to
buster and i told myself not to and now my LVM/raid is broken..
"bad fs.. superblock..." sleep time for me. good night
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548 [04:07:16] <chomwitt> iosecure: '..attempts would
fail' or browser will just warn 'not secure site , proceed
at your own will :-)
549 [04:07:23] <chomwitt> ?
550 [04:07:44] <iosecure> We go back to "not just your
browser."
551 [04:08:04] <iosecure> In your browser, you'll get a
warning. Outside of a browser, things will refuse to connect, and
thus fail.
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668 [05:54:07] <Nikon> yo yo yo
669 [05:54:32] <Nikon> so i have a dell poweredge R610 and one
day the power went out
670 [05:54:55] <Nikon> my old SATA hdd i had in there got
corrupted, i've given up on saving the data
671 [05:55:05] <Nikon> but is there any way to make sure it
doesnt happen again?
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676 [05:57:50] <iosecure> Have backups, have an UPS, use a
filesystem that's generally resilient to this sort of thing.,
677 [05:57:55] <iosecure> Oh, and also have backups.
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680 [05:58:14] <Nikon> what would be the ideal filesystem then?
681 [05:58:52] <iosecure> xfs and ext4 are generally considered
quite reliable. I'm sure there's a lot of back and forth
on the subject.
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697 [06:24:17] <Nikon> ahh okay thank you!
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719 [06:51:25] <annadane> ext5 when...
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766 [07:45:07] <cGIfl300> hello, just a quick question, wich
kernel is used on debian right now stable?
767 [07:45:56] <n4dir> linux-image-4.9.0-3-686-pae - Linux 4.9
for modern PCs
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770 [07:46:11] <cGIfl300> f** ok, thank you
771 [07:46:13] <n4dir> i'd say that version. not too sure.
772 [07:46:40] <n4dir> i did a apt-cache search linux-image in a
chroot, and all seem to be like 4.9.0-3*
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777 [07:47:36] <cGIfl300> yes, this is the good reply, thank you,
I just used to get the one installed on iso, it is too old to my
wifi card
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779 [07:48:02] <cGIfl300> I need to add a module on kernel and I
need a recent kernel
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781 [07:48:43] <n4dir> the stable-backports repo probably have a
newer version of the kernel.
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783 [07:48:48] <n4dir> !backports
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785 [07:48:51] <n4dir> damn it
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787 [07:49:18] <n4dir>
replaced-url
788 [07:49:42] <cGIfl300> yes, but I could not update it :-)
789 [07:50:11] <cGIfl300> this is for an offline install
790 [07:50:29] <n4dir> ah. hmm. there should be a way.
791 [07:50:46] <cGIfl300> indeed yes, suse have a newer one
working lol
792 [07:50:56] <n4dir> ha ha. good point
793 [07:51:10] <cGIfl300> but I prefer debian, not really
important indeed
794 [07:51:20] <cGIfl300> this is because I use deb on my servers
795 [07:51:30] <cGIfl300> I don't like having many versions
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939 [10:20:12] <nuxil> im on stretch running a ancient kde
version. i like to purge this kde and replace it with a newer
version. since this version is full of bugs.. where do i find a repo
that has newest kde ?
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948 [10:28:55] <rudi_s> nuxil: I don't think you can. You
would need to update to Buster, but that is not released yet.
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958 [10:36:45] <nuxil> rudi_s, dont be so negative.. there is
always a way.. i could purge my current install and spend 2-3 days
compiling everything from source :p but was more hopeing someone had
a custom repo to use.
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960 [10:37:55] <rudi_s> nuxil: Of course, but I meant a simple
way as in "where do i find a repo".
961 [10:38:21] <rudi_s> And it's very likely that many
software in Debian stable is too old for the latest KDE so
you'd have to compile that too.
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965 [10:40:05] <nuxil> yea. i bet it will become a deep
rabbithole :p
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996 [11:15:10] <FreeBDSM> hello, I came here to tell you you need
to exclude mirror.mephi.ru from the list of official debian mirrors
because they are down for more than a few days
997 [11:15:10] <chomwitt> isnt tripwire umaintainded when its
last version is from 2008 ?
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1002 [11:18:09] * chomwitt ..sorry i was looking at tiger
1003 [11:19:06] <rant> FreeBDSM: this channel is volunteer debian
users supporting other users, its not even an official project
channel anymore.. hasn't been for a long time. Reports of
problems with things like mirrors or the website are typically filed
as bug reports as far as I know or via a mailing list I'm not
certain of the proceedure only that saying it here won't really
do anything
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1006 [11:19:40] <FreeBDSM> rant: well, okay then :(
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1008 [11:19:58] <rant> FreeBDSM: generally speaking the process
for such a thing would be to try contact the people running the
mirror to get them to fix it then remove it if they dont comply from
the official list
1009 [11:20:05] <FreeBDSM> mailing lists... what are we? living in
1800th?
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1011 [11:20:26] <rant> FreeBDSM: mailing lists are still a very
useful part of open source development
1012 [11:20:27] <Sveta> mailing lists are a nice tool to keep a
small group updated of news and whatnot
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1014 [11:20:35] <FreeBDSM> no, they are unusable
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1016 [11:20:45] <PaddyF> okay. done. next!
1017 [11:20:48] <Sveta> once the group grows, there are irc
channels, meetups, etc but mailing lists are especially useful at
initial stage in my view
1018 [11:20:56] <FreeBDSM> I don't know how mailing lists
work, they don't have a site where I can post stuff
1019 [11:21:28] <PaddyF> imagine that developers are always ready
for a fart that comes across. how many users exist?
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1021 [11:21:37] <rant> FreeBDSM: well I dont care for them
myself.. using them that is.. but our support community for Debian
consists of a Wiki, IRC, Mailing Lists, Bug Tracking System, and a
Forum.. each of them have different purposes and different people
who use them
1022 [11:21:40] <FreeBDSM> the whole idea to use emails for mass
communication is ridiculous
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1024 [11:21:49] <PaddyF> how much time would they waste with
people of your kind?
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1027 [11:22:14] <FreeBDSM> PaddyF: you just described how mailing
lists work
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1029 [11:22:41] <PaddyF> the world serves only you, right?
1030 [11:23:01] <FreeBDSM> no, there are still people living in
1800, they serve their own purpose
1031 [11:23:06] <rant> FreeBDSM: imagine also how hard it might be
though if you say had a problem with a very specific USB driver for
a rare piece of hardware some italian guy wrote... it'd be much
easier to ping the linux kernel mailing list than to get the source,
fish for the right file, find the name/email of the
maintainer..etc.. when for all anyone knows someone ELSE on LKML
could probably solve your problem
1032 [11:23:40] <rant> for large projects a mailing list serves
the purpose of reaching the masses on their terms
1033 [11:23:53] <PaddyF> at least rant has somebody to play with
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1036 [11:24:04] <FreeBDSM> rant: we are living in 3rd millennium,
people invented websites already
1037 [11:24:07] <rant> where this IRC support requires a real-time
connection.. you aasked about that mirror a while ago and nobody was
around here to respond :P
1038 [11:24:25] <rant> where if you'd asked on debian-user
you probably would've gotten a sooner and more accurate
response
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1042 [11:25:32] <FreeBDSM> you can't have multiple long-time
structured discussions over email. especially if there are more than
2 people exchanging messages.
1043 [11:25:35] <themill> FreeBDSM: you wanted a website:
replaced-url
1044 [11:25:49] <rant> themill: heh.
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1047 [11:26:02] * rant basks in the irony
1048 [11:26:12] <FreeBDSM> themill: that's not a support
website, that's a page describing some technology invented in
dinosaur era
1049 [11:26:21] <themill> FreeBDSM: troll elsewhere, thanks/
1050 [11:26:30] <FreeBDSM> I'm not even sure the page is in
html
1051 [11:26:31] <PaddyF> binding the attention of 4 people now
1052 [11:26:55] <FreeBDSM> I enjoy ridiculing bullshit, sorry
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1054 [11:27:00] <rant> PaddyF: yes well we're moving past it
now
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1059 [11:28:28] <rant> I for one could talk at length about all
our resources, the utility of each of them, and their shortcommings
but thats not really the scope of _THIS_ particular channel :P
1060 [11:28:59] * rant wanders off to find something else to do
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1062 [11:32:20] <maheshhegde> does /lib/ld-linux.so.3 take only
one library path when invoked as interpreter explicitly?
1063 [11:33:47] <rant> maheshhegde: Idk, but the relevant
documentation can be found by running man 8 ld-linux
1064 [11:34:45] <rant> maheshhegde: seems to respect the env
variable though which can contain a list of paths
1065 [11:35:06] <rant> LD_LIBRARY_PATH variable that is
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1068 [11:36:40] <rant> I personally dont fool with that stuff
much, but in debugging I've always used LD_LIBRARY_PATH which
seems to be the best way to specify for env instances what libraries
to use and allows for multiple paths
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1093 [11:52:05] <Lyberta> hi, I'm converting a VM image from
BIOS to UEFI, it's fully encrypted, the problem is that I get
dumped into initramfs shell and then when I try to manually open
root partition I get "Error allocating crypto tfm", also I
had to manually add cryptsetup to initramfs, for some reason
update-initramfs doesn't want to include it by default
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1107 [12:02:27] <rant> Lyberta: are you doing this on a debian
system? I.e. inside a VM or chroot or from some other system?
1108 [12:03:06] <rant> cause anytime I've done
update-initramfs on Stretch I dont recall having to add cryptsetup
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1110 [12:03:49] <Lyberta> rant, hmm, I have a bootable usb flash
drive that I temporary added to vm as a rescue drive
1111 [12:04:05] <Lyberta> do I need initramfs flag in crypttab?
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1114 [12:04:39] <rant> o.O
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1116 [12:05:18] <rant> crypttab is merely for listing the crypt
container mappings so that fstab can access the filesystems inside
the container
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1119 [12:05:45] <rant> is this all just some sort of educational
exercise? I can't imagine why you'd need a VM to be UEFI
:P
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1121 [12:06:24] <Lyberta> rant, I hate GRUB and want to use rEFInd
instead
1122 [12:06:55] <rant> heh.. never heard of that.. but I guess I
can understand. I for a long time kept using lilo just cause I didnt
like grub and knew lilo well
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1125 [12:07:48] <rant> in this case however being that you got a
encrypted install in a VM you may be going to an aweful lot of
aggrivation just to be rid of something you probably dont need to
touch ever anyhow :P
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1127 [12:08:36] <rant> I don't know shit about UEFI really,
not even the basics.. so I just avoid it.. I just know a bit about
using encrypted installs
1128 [12:09:09] <Lyberta> rant, well first I had to create a new
virtual drive because I don't want to have MBR drives and
I'm pretty sure I'd have a very tough time in UEFI
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1137 [12:11:04] <rant> Lyberta: as for the initramfs.. the
configuration there is all in /etc/initramfs-tools/ only time I ever
had to fool with that is when doing a more manual/expert install, I
had to change it to load the proper kernel modules in
/etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf
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1139 [12:12:09] <rant> the reason I asked about the environment
you were working in currently is cause if you installed an official
debian stable with encrypted root, it should all be setup correctly
and re-running initramfs-tools from WITHIN that system should not
break anything with that part of things
1140 [12:12:48] <rant> if you're booting the vm from some
foreign system and not chrooting to the encrypted rootfs of the VM
before running initramfs-tools then you're not actually running
initramfs ON that system but on the rescue media
1141 [12:13:07] <rant> which could certainly explain why
you're experincing breakage there
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1144 [12:13:43] <Lyberta> rant, uhh that VM was my first
experiment with LUKS and I was stupid to choose the LVM option
1145 [12:14:17] <Lyberta> rant, so during migration I went from
MBR disk to GPT disk and removed LVM in the process
1146 [12:14:18] <rant> to modify your initramfs from a rescue
media, you'd mount both the / and /boot, bind mount the /boot
inside the / where it belongs, then chroot to that encrypted /
before running any commands like initram-fs
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1148 [12:14:47] <Lyberta> rant, sure, that's what I've
been doing for the past 4 hours or so
1149 [12:15:06] <Hijiri> hi
1150 [12:15:16] <Hijiri> what's the best way to unzip a zip
file with non-unicode encodings
1151 [12:15:18] <rant> Lyberta: well my first time using encrypted
root I'd gone without LVM and it became a bit of a PITA cause
debian is setup to put encrypted root ON lvm by default.. and now I
have it setup that way by the installer cause its just simpler since
thats the way everything expects it to be
1152 [12:15:43] <Hijiri> I see guides online on using a patched
version of unzip but maybe debian's repos have something that
will work by themselves
1153 [12:15:54] <Lyberta> rant, I have no idea what's good
about LVM at all
1154 [12:16:06] <rant> Lyberta: most people would shout snapshots!
:P
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1156 [12:16:25] <Hijiri> on a stack exchange site there is
asolution about using convmv, but it doesn't support shiftjis x
0213, which is supported by the patched unzip (I think)
1157 [12:16:32] <rant> I personally dont care for LVM, or LUKS, or
RAID, or anything that adds layers of compication unless its
necessary
1158 [12:16:51] <Lyberta> rant, my setup is also a bit
"expert" because I don't have /boot partition and
instead use EFI System Partition
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1160 [12:17:24] <rant> Hijiri: I'm not clear, and others may
not be either, what you mean by "with non-unicode
encodings" if this means the filenames inside the file, or what
1161 [12:17:42] <Hijiri> the filenames of the files inside the zip
archive
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1163 [12:18:01] <rant> and what's the problem exactly?
1164 [12:18:20] <Hijiri> when I unzip them the filenames are
mangled because it tries to use them as unicode(?)-encoded filenames
1165 [12:18:23] <rant> cause when you say a zipfile with
non-unicode.. zipfiles themselves dont have any character encoding
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1167 [12:19:34] <Hijiri> ok, the file names have the bytes
corresponding to a file name encoded in a non-unicode encoding,
because the orignal zipper had files with names in that encoding
1168 [12:20:01] <Hijiri> when I unzip it the utility doesn't
know the encoding, so assumes unicode (ascii? not sure), and gives
mangled filenames
1169 [12:20:15] <Hijiri> there's a popular patch for unzip
which allows specifying the "original" encoding so it can
beconverted
1170 [12:20:23] <rant> do you have any idea what encoding is
actually used?
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1172 [12:20:28] <Hijiri> It's used in ubuntu's
distribution of unzip but not debian
1173 [12:20:33] <Hijiri> probably shift jis or an extension of it
1174 [12:21:13] <Hijiri> oh
1175 [12:21:24] <Hijiri> actually I found a stack exchange answer
that let me do it (in a sort of unwieldy way)
1176 [12:21:29] <Hijiri>
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1177 [12:21:35] <Hijiri> The answer involving bsdtar
1178 [12:21:54] <Hijiri> It seems sort of painful though, unless
maybe automated with a script
1179 [12:22:19] <rant> that assumes the zipfile knows the encoding
1180 [12:22:26] <Hijiri> what assumes it
1181 [12:22:30] <rant> i.e. it was recorded as meta-data that is
1182 [12:22:41] <Hijiri> I mean, what is assuming that the file
knows the encoding
1183 [12:22:56] <rant> that any sort of patch of an unzip utility
would do anything
1184 [12:23:04] <Hijiri> The patch lets you specify the encoding
1185 [12:23:10] <Hijiri> otherwise it will still output mangled
names
1186 [12:23:14] <rant> unless it uses some sort of heuristic
algroithm to detect it
1187 [12:23:26] <Hijiri> it doesn't, it's given by the
user as a command line argument
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1189 [12:23:31] <rant> yes well thats why I asked do you even KNOW
what encoding it is?
1190 [12:23:38] <Hijiri> Yes I do, and I said that I did earlier
1191 [12:23:45] <Hijiri> Hijiri ╡ It's used in ubuntu's
distribution of unzip but not debian
1192 [12:23:48] <Hijiri> ⤷ ╡ probably shift jis or an extension of
it
1193 [12:24:06] <Hijiri> I guess it wasn't clear that shift
jis is an encoding from the context
1194 [12:24:35] <Hijiri> so I just applied the answer in that post
and it worked, now I'm just wondering if there's a
prepackaged way to do it with some program in debian
1195 [12:24:48] <Hijiri> like there is with ubuntu's
distribution of unzip
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1197 [12:27:02] <Hijiri> I actually downloaded and use the patched
version on my other computer but I forgot where to find it and
I'm away so I thought I would see if there was a better way.
This is a somewhat common task for me since it comes up whenever I
need to open a zip file of japanese stuff that was zipped on windows
(the source of most zip files)
1198 [12:27:16] <Lyberta> rant, "cryptsetup: ERROR:
encrypted_root: Source mismatch" when I run update-initramfs
1199 [12:29:46] <rant> Lyberta: I dont know what that means.. and
google doesn't seem to know about it either.. only thing I can
think of is there is a mismatch between the mapper names in fstab
and crypttab.. I dont know what it means by "source"
1200 [12:31:17] <rant> Lyberta: crypttab is a list of containers..
it takes the UUID / Device of the container and provides a mapper
name to map it to.. i.e. /dev/sda1 or 0000-0000-0000-0000 or such
and maps it to something like /dev/mapper/crypt so that fstab can
then access the filesystem within the container by mounting
/dev/mapper/crypt
1201 [12:31:45] <rant> Lyberta: if you call it "crypt"
in crypttab, and call it "mycrypt" in fstab, obviously
thats not gonna work
1202 [12:32:28] <rant> crypttab is read by cryptsetup to open the
containers and expose the filesystems, and fstab is read by mount to
mount the filesystem.. the mapper names have to agree
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1204 [12:33:46] <Lyberta> rant, it looks like I got caught in
conflict because both my rescue system and vm used
"encrypted_root" as name of opened root partition... but
how do I mount it via initramfs, it seems to be opend I just need to
mount it and continue
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1206 [12:34:19] <rant> ah.. well yeah.. thats not a
"mismatch" per-se, that's a namespace conflict
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1208 [12:34:39] <rant> can't have two mapped devices with the
same exact name :P
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1210 [12:34:55] <rant> me personally, I'd file a f'n
bug.. I hate when errors are misleading :P
1211 [12:35:16] <rant> "source mismatch" is not the
right way to say that to make someone realize whats wrong
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1217 [12:36:16] <Lyberta> rant, I guess the script compared UUIDs
from crypttab and actual one and actual one was different because I
had to bind mount /dev in order for chroot to work
1218 [12:36:18] <rant> first of all a mismatch is something not
matching, not something IS matching.. and the "source" of
a crypt is it's device or file..
1219 [12:36:24] <rant> not its mapper name. :P
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1221 [12:37:19] <rant> ah, ok.. well that makes sense I guess
1222 [12:37:20] <Lyberta> rant, as soon as I renamed
encrypted_root to encrypted_root2 in both crypttab and fstab, the
error went away but I'm still inside initramfs, wtf?
1223 [12:38:01] <rant> its referring to a mismatch between the
UUID and what it found already in /dev/mapper
1224 [12:38:27] <Lyberta> rant, yes
1225 [12:38:47] <rant> Lyberta: check to see if there is
cryptsetup and then check lsmod for proper modules (from within
initramfs)
1226 [12:38:53] <Lyberta> rant, how do I manually mount root in
initramfs?
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1228 [12:39:14] <Lyberta> rant, I got /dev/mapper/encrypted_root2
working supposedly
1229 [12:39:26] <Lyberta> do i just mount it as /?
1230 [12:39:30] <rant> no
1231 [12:39:39] <rant> initramfs pivots to root
1232 [12:39:45] <rant> it currently IS the rootfs
1233 [12:39:52] <rant> !pivot_root
1234 [12:39:58] <rant> guess not :P
1235 [12:40:00] <jelly> dpkg: ping
1236 [12:40:00] <dpkg> Yes, jelly, you are online.
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1238 [12:40:14] <rant> jelly: I was just guessing dpkg had an
explaination of that
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1241 [12:41:25] <rant> Lyberta: initramfs prompt is basically just
a busybox shell.. you still have your usual utils for manually
mounting only difference here is the pivoting of the root.. you can
mount it anywhere, you just gotta use pivot_root
1242 [12:41:27] <Lyberta> rant, "mount
/dev/mapper/encrypted_root2 /root: Failed: No such file or
directory" WTF???
1243 [12:42:16] <jelly> it's busybox. Specify the right -t
with mount.
1244 [12:42:27] <rant> Lyberta: which part is no such file? is the
container opened to /dev/mapper/encrypted_root2? does the /root
directory exist?
1245 [12:42:50] <jelly> and make sure the kernel modules for that
filesystem are loaded
1246 [12:43:00] <Lyberta> jelly, "can't find /root in
/etc/fstab"
1247 [12:43:34] <jelly> what was the exact command line that
produced that message?
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1249 [12:44:06] <Lyberta> jelly, ah, oops
1250 [12:44:11] <exifbono> hello everyone. I have a computer at
home running debian 9, I use it as a server since a while. After a
power-down yesterday night (which may be a coincidence, idk) seems
like I can't ssh into it. This is the output:
replaced-url
1251 [12:45:24] <jelly> exifbono: log in at the console, then 1)
verify 192.168.1.15 is the right IP address and 2) verify sshd (ssh
service daemon) is running
1252 [12:45:41] <rant> exifbono: you can't usually ssh into a
maching when its powered-down without sending a WOL packet :P but a
refused connection means either a firwewall or the server isnt
running
1253 [12:45:54] <Lyberta> rant, jelly, ugh, I mounted it, then
typed "exit" and it says "ALERT!
/dev/mapper/encrypted_root doesn't exist! Dropping to
shell"
1254 [12:45:59] <exifbono> jelly, IP is correct and there is not
ip conflict (just checked from the router)
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1256 [12:46:55] * rant tosses Lyberta another memo about pivot_root :P
1257 [12:47:01] <exifbono> I'll have to see if sshd is
running... I don't have an HDMI monitor to check it though. Is
there a file I can look at to make sure sshd is running at boot? (I
can take the hard disk and look at it)
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1259 [12:47:18] <Lyberta> rant, ??? what did I do wrong?
1260 [12:48:02] <rant> Lyberta: you don't just
"exit" initramfs and drop into a running system
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1262 [12:48:16] <rant> you have to pivot_root to the newly mounted
rootfs
1263 [12:48:22] <Lyberta> rant, I... forgot how to process
1264 [12:48:36] <Lyberta> rant, wait? that's command?...
1265 [12:48:53] <rant> pretty sure.. idk much about pivot_root
myself..
1266 [12:49:09] <exifbono> jelly, to make things clear, sshd
always started by itself in the past couple of months, this is
pretty weird
1267 [12:49:27] <rant> Lyberta: chroot changes a shell to another
rootfs, pivot_root is more a system-wide thing
1268 [12:50:21] * rant knows OF it but has never used it
1269 [12:50:34] <Lyberta> rant, ugh, I'm pretty sure I could
just exit after I manually mounted rootfs.... ugh
1270 [12:51:20] <rant> idk, but I'm pretty sure you
can't cause unless there is some kinda scripty thing setup,
initramfs would still be the rootfs, and the real rootfs would just
be a random fs mounted somewhere in its VFS
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1275 [12:54:17] <jelly> exifbono: you cound inspect logs if doing
offline forensics, but if boot process is stuck somewhere useful
logs may not be written to disk
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1277 [12:56:18] <Lyberta> rant, oh crap I forgot to change
refind_linux.conf >_<
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1283 [13:00:50] <exifbono> jelly, mmhm, I tried to add a service
sshd start to my rc.local, so it should start, but I still have a
connection refused
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1293 [13:06:31] <rpifan> exifbono, why isnt ssh starting by itself
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1298 [13:07:56] <Lyberta> rant, and I managed to boot! yay! just
took me 5 hours, now I only need to setup NVRAM or whatever so it
actually boots my system without bootloader from rescue drive
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1301 [13:09:53] <exifbono> rpifan, no clue, I'd like to
understand if that's the problem and why in case it is
happening
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1305 [13:11:04] <exifbono> I'm starting to doubt that
it's about that though, as also the webserver is refusing to
connect
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1307 [13:11:38] <rpifan> did u check if the service is running at
all
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1314 [13:23:50] <exifbono> rpifan, trying to, but I can't
have a video output as I don't have an HDMI monitor at hand, so
I'm trying to solve it in a try and see fashion
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1316 [13:24:15] <jelly> exifbono: did you look at logs, including
systemd journal and syslog (/var/log/auth.log)?
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1330 [13:33:51] <rpifan> hm
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1337 [13:35:36] <a-l-e> i used to have a debian without any DE...
now, i have installed lxqt
1338 [13:35:52] <a-l-e> there is one thing that still does not
work: gettting directly to the login manager.
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1343 [13:36:46] <a-l-e> currently, on boot i get the console for
login... as soon as i login, it start starts the sddm login manager.
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1345 [13:37:07] <a-l-e> how can i get sddm to start instead of the
console login? (or in parallel...)
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1347 [13:37:38] <a-l-e> does anybody have an idea what i might
have done wrong?
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1354 [13:39:20] <a-l-e> i've run "dpkg-reconfigure
sddm" but it did not help (it did nothing visible...)
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1364 [13:48:25] <JPT> Is there an 80 character limit for cronjobs
for files in /etc/cron.d/? I have issues that for some reason, my
arguments get cut off
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1366 [13:49:43] <JPT> Oh, nevermind. Percent signs might be what
i'm looking for
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1376 [13:55:27] <exifbono> YES, got it. thanks jelly and rpifan .
Problem was, in case you care, that during last night powercut the
hard disk which is mounted on /var had some superblock corruption. I
fsck'd it from my pc and now it works. Thanks to you both for
your help =)
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1387 [14:01:13] <rpifan> ah
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1403 [14:11:07] <crane> can someone explain me why python3.5, 3.6
and 3.7 are lacking python os.chflags()?
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1409 [14:13:19] <crane> Looks like I found the answer myself...
replaced-url
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1469 [14:59:50] <rant> crane: fwiw there is #python
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1472 [15:00:29] <crane> rant: yes, but the problem is more
operation system specific then python. but thx :)
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1477 [15:01:53] <rant> crane: its specific to debian yet the bug
you posted is ubuntu?
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1502 [15:18:53] <jelly> rant: the bug he posted shows the issue is
linux-specific.
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1504 [15:19:51] <jelly> (well, it's really an upstream issue)
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1513 [15:28:40] <rant> jelly: yeah I didn't care enough to
look into it but if its distro specific and ALSO occurs in debian
and is not the same maintainers (have seen this recently in an issue
I found), its usually important to ping the DD/DM
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1585 [16:19:41] <bn`> Hello, I wish you nice holidays. How to
completely disable the usage of SSL3 for cURL on Debian 9.4? Not
just using the command line option, but in general.
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1593 [16:24:59] <blackflow> bn`: I don't think there's a
global switch. You'd have to block it at the individual use
case level. In case of curl, iirc it's done by specifiying the
minimum TLS level, eg with --tlsv1.0
1594 [16:25:03] <jelly> bn`: maybe in ~/.curlrc ? man curl, read
about --config
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1597 [16:27:23] <blackflow> jelly: does that affect libcurl too?
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1600 [16:28:14] <bn`> According to
replaced-url
1601 [16:28:20] <blackflow> quick googling suggests no though.
1602 [16:28:23] <jelly> no idea. did they ask about libcurl?
1603 [16:28:54] <bn`> But when I connect without SSL3 curl
replaced-url
1604 [16:28:55] <blackflow> jelly: I assumed from "not just
using the command line option but in general"
1605 [16:29:33] <jelly> bn`: is that the actual failing command?
1606 [16:29:45] <jelly> "curl
replaced-url
1607 [16:29:52] <bn`> jelly, yes: curl
replaced-url
1608 [16:29:57] <jelly> wfm
1609 [16:30:14] <jelly> bn`: which debian release is this, which
curl package version
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1611 [16:30:15] <Fox> wfm too
1612 [16:30:19] <bn`> they must have some broken certificate or
something else special. In the browser it works..
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1614 [16:30:48] <Fox> bn`: works with curl on stretch too
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1616 [16:31:20] <bn`> wfm here too, but not from two of my
servers. the one server has an older debian version, the other
server (which I tested on right now) has Debian 9.4
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1618 [16:31:42] <greycat> so the first question is why you're
2 point releases behind
1619 [16:32:41] <bn`> because the provider does not provide a
newer version from the default install
1620 [16:33:07] <greycat> so you update it
1621 [16:33:08] <jelly> bn`: 9.4 ought to work if it's
patched up
1622 [16:33:16] <bn`> everything else runs stable
1623 [16:33:17] <jelly> (ie. if it is 9.6 ;-)
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1631 [16:34:39] <jelly> bn`: are you using /usr/bin/curl or some
other random binary?
1632 [16:34:52] <jelly> because "curl
replaced-url
1633 [16:35:05] <blackflow> plot thickens
1634 [16:35:25] <bn`> simulated dist-upgrade.. it would install
linux-image-4.9.0-8-amd64 package, but I do not want to break the
running server now..
1635 [16:35:47] <iosecure> Installing a new kernel doesn't
break the system.
1636 [16:36:08] <jelly> hah
1637 [16:36:11] <zamuro> unless you do something wrong.
1638 [16:36:33] <jelly> rebooting, however, might break thing
1639 [16:36:56] <bn`> iosecure, there is potential. especially
with a remote system this could mean that I need to reinstall the
whole operating system
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1641 [16:37:37] <iosecure> Installing a new kernel writes to
things that aren't being used by the current running system. If
simply installing a new kernel package breaks things, find a new
host, because their images are broken.
1642 [16:37:41] <bn`> jelly, which curl tells me that it is
/usr/bin/curl
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1646 [16:39:05] <jelly> bn`: also pastebin the output of:
"dpkg -l curl libcurl\* |grep '^.i'" and
"ldd /usr/bin/curl" and "curl -v
replaced-url
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1651 [16:40:39] <aloo_shu> could it be that browser and curl are
looking for local certs kn different places?
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1656 [16:41:33] <bn`> jelly,
replaced-url
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1659 [16:43:17] <bn`> jelly,
replaced-url
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1663 [16:45:19] <jelly> after * TLSv1.2 (OUT), TLS handshake,
Client hello (1): mine continues to * TLSv1.2 (IN), TLS handshake,
Server hello (2):
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1672 [16:47:19] <aloo_shu> i.e., would icecat or similar also have
/etc/ssl/certs on top? you could backup and swap your certs just for
ruling out, or compare md5 sums of relevant certs
1673 [16:48:04] <bn`> Both servers are located in Russia. Is it
possible that this issue is caused by Russian government to disable
connections to the Telegram API?
replaced-url
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1675 [16:48:15] <jelly> bn`: absolutely yes
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1677 [16:48:49] <jelly> if something is tampering with ssl traffic
it might result in similar issues
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1683 [16:50:00] <steelgolem> It's not just you!
raspbian.mirror.colo-serv.net looks down from here.
1684 [16:50:01] <jelly> bn`: you might install testssl.sh, and
pastebin the output of: testssl
replaced-url
1685 [16:50:05] <steelgolem> aaaaaaaand that's why i'm
having all these problems
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1688 [16:50:46] <bn`> jelly, ok I see and understand now. The
irony is that we are using servers in Russia (which is outside of
the EU) because of the suppression of freedom of speech inside of
the EU.
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1691 [16:51:31] <iosecure> wat
1692 [16:51:31] <jelly> bn`: good choice there!
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1696 [16:53:01] <blackflow> I hear north korean servers are even
better, total absolute freedom of speech!
1697 [16:53:21] <jelly> bn`: that does not explain how your
browser running on the same machine still works
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1702 [16:55:35] <joepublic> In the United States, your Internet
traffic is merely copied wholesale for offline surveillance.
replaced-url
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1710 [16:58:57] <bn`> jelly, Confirmed. I am able to connect
correctly from the Russian server to api.telegram.org by specifying
a socks5 preproxy
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1712 [17:01:15] <bn`> joepublic, I got a law suit here in Germany
regarding StGB §130 because I commented something on Facebook.
I am going to tell them something about my basic and human rights.
Things are getting worse these days. The nwo is panicking because
sheeple are waking up in masses.
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1714 [17:01:31] <jelly> bn`: can you confirm the browser actually
opening a connection via proxy and not directly, and connection
going out the from the expected server running the proxy? (also, I
do not know what "preproxy" means)
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1719 [17:02:57] <bn`> jelly, no it is not about any browser (I am
located in Germany). Only about curl running on the server (which is
located in Russia).
1720 [17:03:36] <bn`> and for curl I can confirm it because
without the preproxy parameter it does not establish a connection
successfully and with that parameter it does
1721 [17:04:00] <bn`> this works not (error like described
before): curl
replaced-url
1722 [17:04:10] * blackflow checks Facebook stocks. See them soaring.
Nah, the sheeple are WELL asleep. No panic there.
1723 [17:04:22] <bn`> this works just like on my local machine:
curl --preproxy socks5://207.154.233.200:1080
replaced-url
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1727 [17:05:33] <jelly> bn`: 207.154.233.200 seems to be
DigitalOcean, that does not sound hosted in .ru
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1730 [17:07:22] <bn`> jelly, yes, that is why the connection via
this proxy to api.telegram.org works
1731 [17:07:24] <iosecure> Let me get this straight. Someone in
Germany gets legally dinged for violating the German laws against
inciting racial/religous hatred (StGB 130), and responds to this by
moving their servers to RUSSIA... for free speech reasons... and is
now complaining about the New World Order.
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1733 [17:07:37] <iosecure> I'm going back to bed.
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1739 [17:08:19] <jelly> bn`: so much about roskomnadzor's
deep packet inspection, if they can't figure out a socks tunnel
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1742 [17:08:35] <bn`> iosecure, you are not getting the complete
picture. It's not the reason why we are using servers outside
the EU, but it is one reason more why I get pissed by political
correctness.
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1744 [17:08:52] <bn`> jelly :)
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1747 [17:10:16] <jelly> iosecure: hate speech is a subset of free
speech!
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1749 [17:10:40] <iosecure> Sir Karl Popper wishes to have a word,
good sir.
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1755 [17:12:25] <jelly> bn`: and that's your main problem
right there.
1756 [17:12:33] <jelly> bn`: you used facebook.
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1759 [17:13:15] <bn`> jelly, well yes, because of the
reachability. But you are absolutely right
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1772 [17:19:52] <jelly> (I am jesting. Hate speech is a bad thing
too, not just fb. Hello NSA, and happy belated Christmas!)
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1774 [17:21:00] <bn`> lol
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1822 [17:54:44] <fred__tv__> HI, would "systemctl disable
<service>" be enough to prevent it from run at every boot
without uninstall it ?
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1826 [17:55:15] <drunk_beard> ʘ‿ʘ
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1828 [17:55:33] <jasabella> fred__tv__… look into systemctl
mask if you really want to disable something
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1844 [18:01:53] <fred__tv__> nice ! first time dealing with
"mask" , thanks
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1907 [18:39:58] <jelly> drunk_beard: are you a human?
1908 [18:40:03] <drunk_beard> jelly: you refering to base-16
numbers - part a bit wetting pam's face with her, said the red
slit of becky's room we really never noticed the tears D:
1909 [18:40:46] <jelly> drunk_beard: I'm taking that as a no
1910 [18:40:50] <drunk_beard> jelly: i'm taking that... thing
in percodan becomes naltrexone, a drug felony. see united kingdom
1414 0 157 1205 8<
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1960 [19:01:21] <VLMC> Hello! I'm stuck with a Debian Sid
machine that no longer boots after uninstalling some nvidia
packages. Basically, the machine's SSD is LUKS-encrypted, but
initcpio can no longer find the lvm partition. I have attempted to
chroot into the drive using a Ubuntu LiveCD, but mkinitcpio keeps
failing for various reasons
1961 [19:01:45] <VLMC> I'll boot back into the LiveCD and get
the exact error messages for mkinitcpio
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1963 [19:02:20] <annadane> the channel for testing/sid is
#debian-next on irc.oftc.net, might want to head over there
1964 [19:02:27] <VLMC> Thanks, annadane
1965 [19:02:57] <VLMC> My machine is like a mix of Debian 9 and
Sid
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1968 [19:04:16] <n4dir> that only makes it worse.
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1970 [19:04:36] <VLMC> hahaha
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1972 [19:04:50] <annadane> yeah, do not recommend
1973 [19:04:52] <annadane> !frankendebian
1974 [19:04:52] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random
repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and
derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone
can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and
#debian certainly doesn't want to even try. Ask me about
<reinstall>
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1978 [19:06:07] <VLMC> Ok so I'll fix that first, and then
join #debian-next
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1980 [19:06:45] <lexiyntax> I strongly suggest partitioning
normally and making sub-partitions encrypted instead of doing whole
disk raw encryption if using OS level encryption. Too easy to get
bitten by tools futzing with the head of the disk and trashing the
entire thing by trying to encrypt at too high of a level, I got
bitten by that twice before I stopped doing it that way.
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1983 [19:08:31] <VLMC> lexiyntax: I've personally encountered
situations where I ran out of disk space for either my home
partition or my root partition and had to re-partition, so I've
avoided that
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1990 [19:11:50] <jelly> VLMC: do you mean mkinitramfs, or
update-initramfs? Where does "mkinitcpio" come from?
1991 [19:12:07] <VLMC> jelly: my bad, I mean mkinitramfs and
update-initramfs
1992 [19:12:09] <VLMC> tried both
1993 [19:12:34] <VLMC>
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1995 [19:13:08] <jelly> alright
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1997 [19:13:28] <jelly> VLMC: if you have an older kernel try to
boot that
1998 [19:13:34] <VLMC> jelly: I did
1999 [19:13:57] <VLMC> No change, right now though it seems like
the UEFI on my T430s just straight up stopped working
2000 [19:14:50] <jelly> so no obvious fix. Ask in the right
channel, then
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2016 [19:23:06] <rootkea> Hello! I am using Debian Stretch on Dell
15R Inspiron laptop with synaptics touchpad driver. At times, out of
nowhere the touchpad just hangs and doesn't move the cursor at
all. Even the touchpad clicks (left & right both) don't
work.
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2020 [19:23:52] <rootkea> For every those times I unload and load
psmouse manually `modprobe -r psmouse` and `modprobe psmouse` and
the touchpad starts to work agagin.
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2024 [19:24:22] <rootkea> How can I fix this issue permanently?
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2027 [19:27:39] <joepublic> I would bind some key to run a script
that runs those commands, reducing my inconvenience to just the need
to control-alt-start-working-again-darn-you
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2029 [19:28:08] <joepublic> But admittedly, that is a hacky
workaround and not the answer to your perfectly reasonable question.
2030 [19:28:34] <areyouloco> rootkea: once i had similar issue on
my friends laptop and problem was solved by some psmouse kernel
module parameter. doesn't remember what was that
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2032 [19:29:57] <rootkea> areyouloco, I see. Let me read more on
psmouse then. Thanks!
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2034 [19:30:29] <joepublic> I turn off my four monitors at night
on my primary workstation (this machine) and when i turn it back on
xrandr/xfce have forgotten the monitor config. I have
control-alt-calculatorbutton mapped to a script that calls xrandr
and sets the monitors back up.
2035 [19:30:51] <joepublic> Whereas a sane person might have
figured out why the problem was happening and set things up so that
it doesn't.
2036 [19:31:17] <areyouloco> joepublic: workaround is around no?
2037 [19:31:43] <joepublic> *shrug* yep. A working workaround is
devastating to my level of curiosity as to why something does not
work.
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2044 [19:41:17] <bleb> i installed debian alongside some other os
partitions, now can't boot
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2046 [19:43:11] <bleb> says "file
/boot/grub/i386-pc/normal.mod not found" and enteres grub
rescue
2047 [19:43:50] <areyouloco> bleb: try boot repair cd and
reinstall grub
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2049 [19:46:09] <bleb> areyouloco: is that the same as
"rescue mode" in the install media?
2050 [19:46:13] <Kobaz> weird
2051 [19:46:26] <Kobaz> i was getting crazy static on audio,
restarted pulseaudio and that fixed it
2052 [19:46:42] <Kobaz> like fuzzy whitenoise type static
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2064 [19:55:46] <bleb> areyouloco: grub reinstall worked; thanks
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2095 [20:13:50] <jhutchins_wk> !fixgrub
2096 [20:13:50] <dpkg> To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your
Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2),
mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ;
mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ;
mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target),
run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub
&& grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue
mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
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2159 [20:50:17] <altker128> Hey guys. Anyone here ever setup
Kerberos?
2160 [20:50:48] <altker128> Trying to understand some high-level
kerberos concepts
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2162 [20:52:50] <blackflow> altker128: does this help?
replaced-url
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2166 [20:54:43] <altker128> blackflow: Just skimmed it. I was
trying to figure out some thoughts on LDAP vs. Kerberos
authentication ; I notice a lot of "web apps" support LDAP
for an aunthentication, was trying to understand using that as an
authentication mechanism vs. Kerberos, etc
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2172 [20:58:30] <lexiyntax> I'd suggest also looking into
token technologies like oauth, for most needs kerberos should
probably be considered outdated.
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2205 [21:19:23] <jhutchins_wk> altker128: Kerberos is most often
use in machine-to-machine authentication, LDAP for centralized user
login.
2206 [21:20:12] <jhutchins_wk> altker128: They're not really
interchangable, FreeIPA uses kerberos machine authentication to
manage LDAP user authentication.
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2225 [21:34:48] <altker128> jhutchins_wk: Have you worked with
FreeIPA before?
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2227 [21:35:43] <altker128> I'm NOT trying to support mixed
Windows/Linux machines ; basically trying to use LDAP for
authentication of services, like wiki's, git, etc.
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2256 [22:01:05] <jhutchins_wk> We have a 389 (Fedora) LDAP system
configured by parties no longer known, we're doing prep work
and testing to replace it with FreeIPA.
2257 [22:01:17] <jhutchins_wk> We elected NOT to integrate with AD
at this time.
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2260 [22:02:31] <altker128> jhutchins_wk: What's been your
opinion of 389DS?
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2295 [22:29:35] <jhutchins_wk> altker128: Like anything else, it
needs to be set up properly. I think it probably works fine, but it
wasn't my decision. FreeIPA has more features (and complexity).
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2365 [23:20:22] <Sveta> setting up lvm partitions yesterday by
replaced-url
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2367 [23:20:51] <Sveta> shows
replaced-url
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2370 [23:23:51] <Sveta> *booting
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2395 [23:46:01] <jak2000> hi all how to update/upgrade my java
version from 171 to 172 ? thanks
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2397 [23:49:18] <iosecure> Is there a reason why you need that
release?
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2400 [23:51:15] <jak2000> iosecure know java?
2401 [23:51:43] <iosecure> Yes. Though that's not an answer.
2402 [23:51:45] <jak2000> see: please: how to fix this error:
replaced-url
2403 [23:51:48] <altker128> jak2000: Why not download that release
from Sun then?
2404 [23:52:11] <altker128> jak2000: Get the JRE by logging into
Oracle and downloading it
2405 [23:52:17] <jak2000> in java channel recommend me:
<surial> jak2000: the official oracle suggested solutions to
this issue are to either [A] downgrade to 1.8.0_181 or 1.8.0_172, or
[B] upgrade to JDK 11. or [C] Downgrade to 151
2406 [23:52:37] <jak2000> apt remove java not work
2407 [23:52:42] <jak2000> how to delete all java (first).
2408 [23:54:14] <altker128> apt-get purge <name_of_package>
2409 [23:54:26] <altker128> You need to know the exact name of the
package you have
2410 [23:54:43] <jak2000> mmm whereis java:
/usr/lib/jvm/java-8-oracle/bin/java
/usr/lib/jvm/java-8-oracle/jre/bin/java
/usr/share/man/man1/java.1.gz
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2413 [23:55:38] <altker128> That's the java binary . You got
the binary in some way. If it was through a Debian package, you need
to un-install the package
2414 [23:56:11] <jak2000> :(
2415 [23:57:29] <altker128> jak2000: You could be
"dirty" and just delete the binaries, and then download
whatever you need from Sun and manually overwrite/install
2416 [23:57:36] <altker128> That depends on how much you care
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2419 [23:58:22] <bleb> how does the popularity contest measure
daily usage?
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2421 [23:58:23] <aloo_shu> you could first check installed
packages searching java/jre
2422 [23:58:35] <aloo_shu> ie in synaptic
2423 [23:59:03] <altker128> ^^
2424 [23:59:18] <aloo_shu> you don't want to end up with
broken packages
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